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Re: The NEW New Star Wars [s]Trilogy[/s] Thread
« Reply #165 on: April 15, 2017, 12:49:05 PM »
Yeah what I know of the (former) expanded universe

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has Luke diving into the whole Grey Jedi thing, so it looks like they'll be aping that idea, but doing it in a different way. Seems like he thinks creating more Jedi almost inevitably leads to Sith to balance them out, so I guess he's on that island just waiting to die? Still seems like a bad idea when Kylo Ren is running around terrorizing everyone though.

I'm fine with it, Grey Jedi stories were usually the best ones of the expanded universe...I believe KOTOR count as one!


I don't believe KoTOR does, if only because its a Bioware joint and their concept of Morality either has you doing nice things for everybody or kicking puppies with sub-optimal play as the middle ground (and IIRC KoTOR actually forces you to pick one side or the other at the end, which makes the whole morality mechanic utterly pointless beyond a few perks).
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Re: The NEW New Star Wars [s]Trilogy[/s] Thread
« Reply #166 on: December 27, 2017, 07:26:07 PM »
So Episode VIII.
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Yeah, they could end the movie series on this note. Short of C-3P0 and Chewbacca, Gen 1 is toast (R2-D2's actor passed away last year as well, although he is easier to replace). Leia forcing herself back onto the ship was sadly unnecessary due to not accomplishing much past her return other than some nice scenes with Luke (and she won't be returning for Episode 9 for obvious reasons), and everybody else is dead (including Admiral Akbar ;_;). Meanwhile the Rebellion will end up rebuilding over time, and while Kylo took the chair, he still needs time to fill in the new role and become a full villain.

That said, what I liked about the movie is that yeah, Rey isn't a Skywalker or descended from anybody of note, just the child of some dirt poor deadbeats who sucked and died as they lived. Luke's fall was also pretty good in a momentary fuck up heard across the galaxy. The Rebel Cruiser's suicide attack was also well done. Just a nice, quiet moment amidst everything literally going to shit. Finn getting a moment to spar with Phasm (or Chromedome) was good and I hope she'll survive somehow into Episode 9, and Rose being basically the Galaxy's most unlikely protagonist.

What I didn't like was the Code Cracker disappearing down a plothole (sure, it'll likely mean his return in Episode 9 for five minutes (or however long it takes for him to fall down into a Sarlac Pit), but until that pays out, I'mma dissin' on it), the revolving door of characters (even George RR Martian would've blushed at the body count), Snoke getting smoked without ever getting into the question of which hole he crawled out of or if anybody else crawled from that same hole. Poe feeling like watching the player of a Rogue Squadron game in action (congratulations on beating the Dreadnought; too bad you let your Ally Survival score tank, so you're only getting a Bronze Medal). And we missed out on Finn hitting the tables like a Bond wannabe (the image of him rolling up to Maz's Code Cracker's table with Rose on arm and using the money BB8 was rolling in to either bullshit his way into recruiting the other Code Cracker, or fail miserably and end up with the other guy anyways is too good and its a shame that didn't happen). Also that point about the weapon dealers selling ships to both sides is ridiculous (seriously? have you seen just how different the tech tree is? if TIE Fighters and X-Wings were cut from the same cloth then TIE Fighters wouldn't be made of paper mache or make that flying sound through space, and X-Wings should be able to turn on a dime).


At least we got a pair of dogfights this movie even if they didn't amount to anything.
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Re: The NEW New Star Wars [s]Trilogy[/s] Thread
« Reply #167 on: December 27, 2017, 08:04:48 PM »
I just came back from The Last Jedi.  In short, I loved it.  Director Rian Johnson it did a fantastic job.  Much better than Force Awakens.  This one was definitely grittier, darker, and just felt like it had more to it.  I can see where obsessive fans would be up in arms, though, because it is a subversive film.  As much as I may roll my eyes at the Disney corporate machine, I have to give them credit for some of the gutsy moves they're making with Star Wars.  They're telling the story they want to tell rather than pander to fans and are clearly sending the message of "This ain't your daddy's Star Wars." 

Yes, there were some aspects of it that were weak (some of the jokes were cringe-worthy), but I loved the overarching themes.  Like Rogue One, I liked that Last Jedi was not so much about superpowered people doing superpowered things or even about the elite classes like the commanders or generals or rulers.  It was more about ordinary people, the nobodies, doing extraordinary things.  Real salt-of-the-earth people like Rose.  Rose absolutely stole the show, by the way.  She is 100% the breakout character here. 

The other overarching theme about being too stuck in the past resonated with me.  When my dad was alive many of our recent conversations could be summed up like this:

Dad: "Pah, I don't do such things!"
Me: "Yeah, well that's how things are done these days.  So adapt or at least get used to it, or you'll be left behind." 

I mean, while
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Rey was on a deserted island doing summer camp Jedi stuff that even the legendary Jedi masters think is anachronistic rubbish, it was people like Rose and Finn out there doing heavy lifting for the Resistance.  Folks like them are the real heroes, even if they don't believe it. 


I also liked the theme where the Resistance was unraveling under the pressure.  A beacon of hope is only as bright as those who believe in it, and the downtrodden all over the galaxy have been browbeaten into believing that even the slightest thought of an uprising is a fool's errand.

I'd say one of my bigger grievances is with 
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Snoke.  He started out badass with that whole trash talking Kylo Ren, saying stuff like, "I thought you'd be another Vader, but you're just a petulant child playing make-believe in a stupid mask."  It was like, wow, Snoke gets it.  We were all saying that about Kylo after Force Awakens.  So when Snoke died so easily, that seemed a little weak.  Because how could someone who claims to have such strong force powers to manipulate Kylo's and Rey's minds not sense Kylo's feint?  Maybe Kylo and Rey combined their powers? 

Still, Kylo had to kill Snoke.  I mean, Kylo's had to live in the shadow of his parents, live in the shadow of his grandfather, live in the shadow of Luke Skywalker, got bullied all the time by Snoke and General Hux no matter what he did... it was only a matter of time before enough was enough and Kylo snapped, "I'm not gonna be anyone's bitch any more!"  I'm not surprised he was vindictive to Hux with that whole "Who's the bitch now?  Ha ha, you're my bitch now!" force choke routine.  But at the end of the day, does Snoke even matter?  In the greater scheme of things, he was just another dime-a-dozen despotic Emperor-wannabe. 

But maybe, just maybe, Snoke knew all along that Kylo would strike him down. 


I also have to do some suspension of disbelief logic-leaping about the
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coder guy (I assume he's in jail because he cracked the rigged gambling system; we all know casinos are a barely legal racket.  And he's probably wheeled and dealt with anybody and everybody.)  Still, I liked that he opened Finn's eyes that the weapons supplier they stole the ship from not only sold weapons to the First Order, but also sold weapons to the Resistance.  Everyone's gotta get their guns from somewhere and whatever you can afford, you get.  Good, bad, it doesn't matter.  Coder just goes where the money is.   
 

The cringiest scene of all, which no amount of mental gymnastics can hand-wave away, is
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when Leia "Mary Poppins'd" through outer space back to the ship.  I really thought they would kill her off there and make it a poignant moment like Yondu's death in Guardians of the Galaxy 2... but no, she pulled force powers out of nowhere to do the impossible.


Still, very good film.  I want to see the sequel just to find out
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what happens to Rose.


EDIT:  And FWIW, none of the preview trailers I saw before the film were any good.  Even Avengers: Age of Infinity was meh to me, since I'm more or less done with the MCU.  I'm more into lesser known comics from lesser known publishers.  However, I did chuckle at the end of the Avengers trailer when the Guardians of the Galaxy showed up and they're all like, "Who the hell are you guys?!?!"  I got that one, Ready Player One, A Wrinkle in Time, Jurassic World 2, some "based on a true story" jawn about a high school girls' volleyball team beating the odds after their superstar player is killed by a drunk driver, some forgettable horror flick, and some jawn about "early man befriending wolf" where they all speak modern English with perfect diction, I think that was it.
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Re: The NEW New Star Wars [s]Trilogy[/s] Thread
« Reply #168 on: December 28, 2017, 02:23:17 AM »
The cringiest scene of all, which no amount of mental gymnastics can hand-wave away, is
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when Leia "Mary Poppins'd" through outer space back to the ship.  I really thought they would kill her off there and make it a poignant moment like Yondu's death in Guardians of the Galaxy 2... but no, she pulled force powers out of nowhere to do the impossible.


I wouldn't call those Force Powers 'outta nowhere' given that its come up as a plot point in every Episode save 1, 2 and 4 (and 40 years is a hell of a long time to allow enough training to bring it up to at least 'in case of emergencies' levels).

That being said, Space itself doesn't work like that, but then, this is Star Wars and that Starship sailed decades ago.


As for trailers, I got Jurassic World 2: Yoshi's Island, noted videogame to movie conversion Rampage (Midway's spinning in its grave), some trashy/utterly forgettable horror movie (which was ironically the best trailer due to generating an audible "Oh God!" from someone in the audience), A Wrinkle in Disney's Voracious Consumption of IPs, Guardians of the Galaxy 3: Infinity War, a Spider-Man anime featuring all of the Spider-Mans (and hopefully Spider Women and even Spider Gwen), and Alita: Battle Angel (aka that project James Cameron has been obsessed with for the last several decades and finally handed off to somebody who could get the bloody thing finished so that Cameron can go back to his Avatar franchise).
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Re: The NEW New Star Wars [s]Trilogy[/s] Thread
« Reply #169 on: December 28, 2017, 02:48:01 AM »
Saw the movie and it was fine.
Much better than the first one (of this trilogy).

Yeah, the Poppins part was shit.
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Like, I'm not dissing the idea. Thing is, it looks so damn bad it's inexcusable. Luke does something similar in a book but way better. Like, he gathers the leftover oxygen and makes a shield of force around him and the air to keep pressure and slowly moves his 'ball' to safety (all very believable in SW fashion).

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Re: The NEW New Star Wars [s]Trilogy[/s] Thread
« Reply #170 on: December 28, 2017, 07:21:57 AM »
Like I said in the movie thread, I kinda like and hate the movie at the same time. I like that it tries some new things with the franchise (even if the plot takes a couple beats from both Empire and Jedi), but only maybe half of it worked for me.

I liked the majority of the Rey/Kylo/Luke/Snoke plot, although while I liked the premise of Luke's story I still don't really buy that Luke would go into exile like that (at least not for so long- he'd take a bit to gather himself but I doubt he'd just leave things the way he did).

Got the point of Poe's arc but didn't like the way it was done too much. You just don't really learn enough about Holdo to really understand why it played out the way it did.

The Finn/Rose story was the worst part for me, it felt tagged on, it wasn't that interesting in its own right, and neither Finn nor Rose got to grow much as characters during it. Rose herself I found mostly nondescript until the very end where she shot into the realm of mind-boggingly stupid.

The humor was mostly bad and stuck out like a sore thumb.

Unlike a lot of people I didn't really feel either way about the Super-Leia scene. Not that hard to think of a explanation for it but it did feel a bit tagged on. At least she got to do one cool Force thing in the movies before leaving, I guess?

Some of the subversion felt overdone to the point where it got to a point where it felt more like doing them for their own sake to surprise the audience, rather than because it served the story somehow. Also, I've said this before, but it's really hard to take the "let go of the past" theme as an artistic narrative choice instead of just a cynical business one while Disney ramps up their Star Wars Movie assembly line. That and the fact the end of the movie just ends up at the whole Rebels vs Empire setup. Even though the main conflict wasn't resolved it feels like such a thematic dead-end that I have very little interest in Episode IX at this point, but who knows what they might pull out (given that it's JJ Abrams working on it again though, I expect it to be filled with lots of unsatisfying mystery box bullshit plots, part of why this movie was so awkward to begin with).

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Re: The NEW New Star Wars [s]Trilogy[/s] Thread
« Reply #171 on: December 28, 2017, 09:39:16 AM »
The cringiest scene of all, which no amount of mental gymnastics can hand-wave away, is
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when Leia "Mary Poppins'd" through outer space back to the ship.  I really thought they would kill her off there and make it a poignant moment like Yondu's death in Guardians of the Galaxy 2... but no, she pulled force powers out of nowhere to do the impossible.


I wouldn't call those Force Powers 'outta nowhere' given that its come up as a plot point in every Episode save 1, 2 and 4 (and 40 years is a hell of a long time to allow enough training to bring it up to at least 'in case of emergencies' levels).

That being said, Space itself doesn't work like that, but then, this is Star Wars and that Starship sailed decades ago.


Fair point, sure.  Still didn't stop the scene from being cringey/cheesy when it was trying to be poetic.  And, to me, Star Wars is more space opera than science fiction, so I don't even look for science type anything in it.  To me, movies like Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Contact are true science fiction. 



Got the point of Poe's arc but didn't like the way it was done too much. You just don't really learn enough about Holdo to really understand why it played out the way it did.

I have very little interest in Episode IX at this point, but who knows what they might pull out (given that it's JJ Abrams working on it again though, I expect it to be filled with lots of unsatisfying mystery box bullshit plots, part of why this movie was so awkward to begin with).

Holdo and Snoke were mostly figureheads that served as foils for Poe and Kylo respectively.  But, yeah, I would have liked to know the history between Leia and Holdo and why she trusts her as second in command.  To us the audience, Holdo is essentially a nobody.  Still, it's via her that Poe learns a valuable lesson in humility; that if his hubris is left unchecked, it will have dire consequences.  Poe Dameron literally
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killed the majority of The Resistance simply because he wanted to blow things up.  There is such a thing as a pyrrhic victory and you can't play with peoples' lives like that. 
  Now that I think about it, I'm surprised Rose didn't
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lash out at Poe in anger and slug him because his actions are what killed her sister.


As for Episode IX, I know director Colin Trevorrow was dropped from the project due to "creative differences" but I'm curious to see what his ideas were for Episode IX.  This short film he directed called Home Base (NSFW due to language) was fantastic: https://vimeo.com/13767360
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Re: The NEW New Star Wars [s]Trilogy[/s] Thread
« Reply #172 on: January 01, 2018, 10:19:36 PM »
In Poe's defense, his strategy really wasn't all that different from the typical Rebel strategy of "Oh shit! Here comes another Imperial Super Weapon. Quick, throw all of our fighters at it and hope somebody explodes it before we explode." Seriously, you have the Battle of Yarvin which started with two full attack wings and ended with 3 ships and the Millennium Falcon (who just happened to be in the neighborhood), the Battle of Hoth which wiped out a significant chunk of Rogue Squadron (and was Luke Skywalker's last ride as a Rebel fighter pilot), the Battle of Endor which ended with the loss of at least two carriers and several ships (although it is, by far, their most successful campaign) and the Starkiller battle that was basically there (fewer casualties overall but they couldn't save the New Republic).

And really, its what each battle accomplishes that makes or break a Rebel versus Empire/New Coke encounter. Yarvin was a massacre, but they blew up the Death Star, which wasn't an insignificant investment of time, manpower and resources to the Empire (and the Rebels didn't get blasted off the face of the galaxy which was a nice bonus too). Hoth allowed a significant portion of the Rebel fleet to escape, but only managed to drop two AT-ATs which was a pitiful exchange (and had, up until Rogue One, been the poster boy of Rebel failures). Endor saw the destruction of the second Death Star, the Super Star Destroyer (and a couple of the standard issue ones) and the deaths of both the Emperor and Vader which ended the Empire Classic. The Starkiller battle though only saw the destruction of the Starkiller itself (which was a neat side project of the New Odor, but ultimately cost them a couple of fighters, the garrisons manning the base and the giant fuck off gun which kinda became irrelevant anyways due to already successfully blowing up the New Republic; no significant member of NO was lost while the Rebels became short one former hero and their primary backers).

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Poe's battle saw the destruction of a Dreadnought and a couple of fighters, but the Rebels lost half their standing forces still on the ground, most of their fighters and their one big tactical advantage that kept them in the fight of being able to run away afterwards to rebuild and regroup (and for all that it did them, Yoda knows how many more Dreadnoughts the NO has in their flotilla). Poe's gambit also might have worked in another Star Wars movie as well, but here, he, Finn and Rose simply didn't have enough time to pull off their last second-hail mary victory (and the fact that Finn and Rose got slapped hard with that whole Code Breaker fiasco didn't help matters either), whereas Frodo's plan also basically relied upon all of NO's drivers to be asleep at the wheel (hey, its hard work stamping out Rebel Alliances; the pay could be better as well, or above the 'because we said so' grade) and was doomed to fail as well simply because NO only had to double back to trash them once they picked up the message (which as we saw, was a failed gambit as well).

Really, the New Order won outright from the start of the movie with their new fangled tracker system, and the majority of the movie was an exercise of being on the wrong end of a mop-up operation (with the only reason why it wasn't a total victory was due to a combination of Luke and Rey showing up and Ren being a powerhungry goofus). That's why the movie playing up Poe's decision making really doesn't stick since there were no good decisions to be made by anyone (and also why an Episode 9 could literally time skip by a decade and be no worse for wear; and probably should too as all that's left of the Rebels are a dozen folks, a couple of figureheads (one of whom won't be returning anyways due to dying IRL) and a few oppressed dissidents scattered across the galaxy).



The tl;dr is that
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Poe's fuck ups literally do not matter in the grand scheme of things due to just how hyperfucked the Rebel Alliance was at the start of Episode VIII. Even the Dreadnought fiasco didn't matter since they still would've lost their hangers in the initial salvo of The New Orker's surprise.
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Re: The NEW New Star Wars [s]Trilogy[/s] Thread
« Reply #173 on: January 02, 2018, 09:26:51 AM »
That's one thing that weirded me out in the new trilogy. The alliance is in such a bad state as compared to episode 6 that it feels like they just retconned every prior victory.

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« Reply #174 on: January 02, 2018, 10:05:09 AM »
I think about how even though of decades also passed between the prequels and the original trilogy, they never need to expound on it since it isn't any more complicated than "empire expands and the galaxy is a sad face". I get that they were probably scared of including scenes of the New Republic in the new movies because they wanted to avoid the boring political dialogue that plagued the prequels (though personally, I wouldn't actually mind a more political Star Wars story, if it was actually done well, but Hollywood).

I've posted it before, but there's actually a deleted scene with Leia in Episode VII which I think they really shouldn't have cut, because it's really short but also effective in telling the state of the New Republic after what's happened in Episode VI. I haven't read any of the side material but apparently it supports pretty much what you can imagine from that short little scene- the New Republic is complacent and won't listen to old war hero Leia because they think she's paranoid about the resurgence of Empire-sympathizers. It's still a bit much to accept that they're so inept they didn't notice somebody building a giant laser cannon that's literally the size of a planet, but at least it's a something.

Even with that, it's weird that the Resistance was whittled down so quickly to basically just a few shipfuls of people and some potential supporters in the outer rim. It actually feels like it's the same issue with the prequels where large chunks of the galaxy really does not give a shit whatsoever about the recurring wars between the space samurai and their cohorts. I guess you could argue that they actually wanted to depict that this time with the casino planet, but like I've said, that was probably my least favorite part of Episode VIII, just because of how...sledgehammer-y it was.

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« Reply #175 on: January 02, 2018, 04:01:43 PM »
Finally got around to this one and thought it was quite good.  Lots and lots of "aggressively cool" sequences, which I believe is the most important part of any Star Wars film.

Basically everything with Rey and Kylo was probably my favorite thing in any Star Wars movie made after 1983.
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« Reply #176 on: January 02, 2018, 05:22:12 PM »
Regarding the two big ol' recent posts from Aeolus and Hathen... couldn't it then be argued that it ties into the greater themes of Last Jedi?  Last Jedi definitely veered toward nihilism with the whole, "Does anything even really matter in the greater scheme of things?"  And we're talking both the bombastic explosions and the more introspective identity reveals.  A big pet peeve people had is that the whole sequence
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of Rose and Finn busting up Las Venus was a fool's errand,
 a pointless mission, an exercise in futility, or whatever else people say.  Though they themselves felt in their heart of hearts that they were really doing something of magnitude.
  But then, it ties back to that nihilistic bent of how our own pompous sense of self-importance makes the trivial seem profound. 
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« Reply #177 on: January 02, 2018, 05:31:19 PM »
Well, since the theme of the movie was Failure, that definitely plays into a nihilistic bent, but I wouldn't say the MESSAGE of the movie was "nothing ever really matters".  Rather, that everything you do matters to those who have to live with the consequences.
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« Reply #178 on: January 02, 2018, 06:10:27 PM »
I'll buy that. 

Still, despite some cheesiness, some plot holes, and some questionable execution, I like that Last Jedi hits upon darker and sometimes more nuanced themes than past Star Wars films have. 

Another theme I like is how when we feel like the status quo is FUBAR and we have to do something.  We get restless just sitting around doing nothing, but we don't make the best decisions out of restless desperation.  Quite frankly, we humans make downright terrible decisions under desperation.  And I think that's a big reason why Leia trusted Holdo to be in charge, because she assessed the big picture with greater clarity than the "angry young impulsive hotheads" like we hear described in this fantastic Billy Joel song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpMv76SIUhg  Though Holdo's perceived "inaction" was viewed as giving up, she had that wisdom and foresight that our youthful impulsiveness misses. 

I also liked some of the plays at moral ambiguity.  Is the First Order the worst enemy, or is the Resistance themselves their own worst enemy?  Or is the worst enemy something more insidious, like maybe the arms dealers who are supplying artillery and munitions to BOTH factions?  Or perhaps the worst enemy is a state of being, like apathy.  Never underestimate the power of apathy. 
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« Reply #179 on: January 03, 2018, 12:02:22 AM »
I don't mind the Casino Night Zone too much since even Utopias need Gambling Parlors and Cemeteries, but that segment was way too cramped for what they were going for. Basically, you have a Canteena-esque scene, with jaunty Star Wars-ish humor sprinkled through out, another pastime like Pod-Racing (except not as stupid or time consuming), new character introductions, some time for relationship building between new characters and old, a couple of hamfisted Aesops to throw at the audience (including the segment itself, as is usually the case of such Casino Royales), an immediate problem that's keeping them here/from completing their objective, and oh by the way, it's 11:59:45 PM on the doomsday clock and ticking down to Midnight fast, you have Jedi Camp happening on the side of these as well, while there's a Poe down on the Holdo deck, and they still need to get out of CNZ to do what the team had originally set out to do in the first place.


(I don't think it helped that the segment calls to mind FFXIII's Casino Night Zone, which did much of the same thing, except far worse due to nothing there mattering beyond a backstory exposition-dump (even the character who got the most fleshing out there ended up jobbing so hard that the devs had to make up for it with DLC for XIII-2) which itself ended up being little more than slander, lies and shoe-horned FF Classic references).


That being said, the part I liked least about TLJ's Casino Night Zone was
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the Decoder Ring. Nice product placement Disney. I hope to find one at the bottom of your Star Wars themed box of Breakfast Cereal in tYoOL 2018.



Another complaint that I must level towards the movie, in much the same vein as the lack of a
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'"Bond. Finn Bond." with Rose Galore hanging off his arm' bit
, I am disappointed that at no point during all those scenes in Snoke's chambers,
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did a backwards talking midget pop up to talk in cryptic riddle bullshit. V:
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