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Re: Anime/Manga Journal
« Reply #4560 on: August 03, 2017, 04:39:04 AM »
Since we were talking about isekai stories earlier I thought I would mention that I found another isekai novel that I actually like.  It's called "Instant Death" and it's about a whole class of Japanese high school students (of course) that get transported to another world and most of them are granted super powers and told to go on missions while the few left out are literally left to die.  The main character is one of the latter, but he happens to always have had the power (it's not really explained why...) of instant death.  He can kill anyone or anything with nothing more than a thought.  He just didn't really have a reason to use that power before.  And since this power exists outside of the system everyone else is competing in nobody else recognizes or understands what that means.  So he teams up with another survivor of the abandoned powerless group (who is a hot girl of course) and starts exploring trying to find a way home.

Sounds pretty run-of-the-mill so far, right?  OP MC, revenge elements, damsel in distress, yadda yadda yadda.  What's brilliant about this novel is that it's kind of a parody/deconstruction of all the usual crap that happens in these stories.  Not like a haha slapstick kind of parody (Konosuba this ain't), but rather a surreal almost Gilliamesque exploration of taking the usual isekai tropes to their logical extremes.  The world they find themselves in has gone completely mad.  See, classes of Japanese high school students being transported to this world and being granted super powers is a normal occurrence here.  And the ones who manage to complete all their missions and make it to the top of the system become 'sages' who continue to rule over the world.  But they kind of lose their humanity in the process and all the sages are all basically nuts, while the normal inhabitants of the world and struggling to survive under their tyranny.

Every classmate the main pair encounters on their journey has become (or maybe they were all along?) fantastically self-centered assholes who think the world revolves around them.  And they're sort of right, in a way, as the system they're part of does revolve around them.  But they're also all obsessed with their stats and leveling up while being oblivious to the fact that there's a guy who can kill them with a single thought and that kind of renders all their abilities irrelevant.

It is a brilliant yet bizarre novel.  I don't think I'm doing the best job of describing just how much it basically trashes the genre that it's unquestionably still part of.  I think it could work animated too, at least in the hands of the right studio.  Maybe some day...

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Re: Anime/Manga Journal
« Reply #4561 on: August 08, 2017, 02:51:16 PM »
Kurau: Phantom Memory (backlog, 10-episode drop):  Although this didn't do anything particularly wrong, it wasn't doing anything extraordinary, either, and there wasn't enough character development to sustain my interest.  The slightly over-melodramatic tone didn't help.

Restaurant to Another World (4-episode drop):  After a good start, this failed to develop its premise. (It got boring).  Pity.

In Another World With My Smartphone (3-episode drop):  This started out light-hearted, if a bit bland, but became irritating quickly.  Our already ridiculously OP protagonist introduces Shogi to the isekai civilization, and it immediately becomes a hit?  Suuure.

On the positive side, GAMERS! is turning out to be pretty good.  I like the characters, and it's not getting too tangled up in the gaming aspect.
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« Reply #4562 on: August 08, 2017, 06:55:28 PM »
On the positive side, GAMERS! is turning out to be pretty good.  I like the characters, and it's not getting too tangled up in the gaming aspect.

Quite. I take back what I said prior.
It's quite good in a way I would have never imagined.

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« Reply #4563 on: August 08, 2017, 09:52:15 PM »
Restaurant to Another World (4-episode drop):  After a good start, this failed to develop its premise. (It got boring).  Pity.

This was one I was hoping would be good, but it just doesn't seem like it'll go anywhere. Bah.

Anyways, I'm trying to get caught up with Fairy Tail now that I found out it had taken another break in 2016 and won't be back until next year. Geez, and I hadn't even gotten to the first break when I left off before. O_o ...I mean, I'm almost up to 200 now, but still...
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Re: Anime/Manga Journal
« Reply #4564 on: August 08, 2017, 10:24:15 PM »
Hey, I was praising Gamers! first.  It honestly is a surprisingly good show.

Tsurezure Children is still better though.

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Re: Anime/Manga Journal
« Reply #4565 on: August 09, 2017, 06:06:16 AM »
I was afraid Gamers! would be about Generic Main Dude and his Manic Pixel Dream Girl because awesome at unimportant shit, but the series is surprisingly self-aware about the characters not being self-aware enough to actually fix their problems (or at the very least not create new ones).

As for Restaurant to Another World, I'm just enjoying it for what it is: relaxing, fantasy-themed foodporn. It's actually pretty amazing how badly animated it is (that horse!) but still manages to look so appealing.
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Re: Anime/Manga Journal
« Reply #4566 on: August 09, 2017, 08:58:04 AM »
Does Gamers! have a dub, perchance?
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Re: Anime/Manga Journal
« Reply #4567 on: August 09, 2017, 12:05:20 PM »
I guess here's where I confess I don't actually know what shoujo or 98% of the terms are involving manga are (compared to JRPGs which were there from the beginning)

Basically I know some major series and lesser known ones as well as the series themselves and associated fandoms decently but I have pretty much zero context for the A&M industry as a whole.

Shonen is stuff like Dragon Ball Z, One Piece, Power Levels etc. Basically stuff aimed at young boys ages 8-15. (etc...)

Some slight corrections:

Shounen – Primarily aimed at a young male audience between 8-12 and 12-18, depending on the show. Tends to have a lot of coming-of-age stories, fighting anime, etc. Good examples include My Hero Academia, Naruto, One Piece, Mobile Suit Gundam, and Black Butler.

Shoujo – Primarily aimed at a young female audience between 8-12 and 12-18, depending on the show. Tends to have a lot of coming-of-age stories, romance anime, etc. Good examples include Ouran High School Host Club, Fruits Basket, My Love Story, Vampire Knight, Cardcaptor Sakura, and Sailor Moon.

Seinen is generally for older audiences. Classically "for men", but rarely has a gendered execution now. Usually focuses on "work" anime, some typically more violent or sexual shows, sci-fi, as well as more serious romance or drama. Good examples include KADO: The Right Answer, One Punch Man, ERASED, Monster, Ghost in the Shell, and Maison Ikkoku.

Jousei is generally for older audiences. Classically "for women", but tends to just emphasize more romance or "gentle" stories over action or sci-fi based ones. Usually focuses on more "college age" or "art" anime. Good examples include Chihaya Furu, Honey and Clover, Paradise Kiss, Nodame Cantabile, and Polar Bear Café.

Shounen-Ai is a deprecated term that used to mean gay romance stories. It's since been replaced with Boy's Love or "BL" as a more appropriate term, as "shounen-ai" has pedophiliac connotations in Japanese. BL may or may not have explicit sex involved, but typically gears towards gay romance as a whole. Good examples include Junjou Romantica, Loveless, Gravitation, and  Super Lovers.

Shoujo-Ai is a non-Japanese native term that is generally only used in the West. It was meant as a genre companion to Shounen-Ai but originated here and never caught on in Japan. Most of its content is filed under "Yuri". That said, because we are in the West, it's essentially the BL equivalent but for lesbian romance. Good examples include Kämpfer, Sakura Trick, Strawberry Panic, and Maria-sama ga Miteru.

Yuri encompasses both Shoujo-Ai and a bit more. It's a catch-all for lesbian-oriented stories, including both implied and explicit forms. It may be pornographic in some cases, but is usually used to refer to non-pornographic stories. It's a bit murky in that regard. Any recommendations under Shoujo-Ai are here as well. In terms of harder erotic stories, Shoujo Sect, G-Taste, and Cream Lemon may all apply.

Yaoi is a component of BL anime, but focuses on the harder erotic stories, often including pornography. Yaoi is generally understood to imply a harder form of sexual depiction overall. Good examples of this harder genre turn include Ai no Kusabi, Sex Pistols, and Saigo no Door wo Shimero.

Hentai – Pornography, and all that it entails.
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Re: Anime/Manga Journal
« Reply #4568 on: August 09, 2017, 12:12:40 PM »
Am I having deja vu?
Somebody tell me they are also having deja vu

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Re: Anime/Manga Journal
« Reply #4569 on: August 09, 2017, 12:38:56 PM »
Yeah I don't know why we necro'd a discussion from February...

Jousei is generally for older audiences. Classically "for men",

Did you mean to write "for women" here?  Because while josei (no 'u' here) might have some male readers it sure as hell is not classically aimed at them.  The word literature means 'woman'.

Does Gamers! have a dub, perchance?

No, it's a simulcast.  I think about the only anime to ever be simulcast with a dub was Space Dandy...

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« Reply #4570 on: August 09, 2017, 12:54:18 PM »
It's not even the necro'ing, I swear those exact same descriptions were originally posted as part of that discussion and they seem to have disappeared.

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Re: Anime/Manga Journal
« Reply #4571 on: August 09, 2017, 01:21:21 PM »
Paradise Kiss

You somehow made me remember a very specific hate for the main girl in this really old anime.

Hentai – Pornography, and all that it entails.

No examples? =P

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« Reply #4572 on: August 09, 2017, 01:59:05 PM »
OK, if we're going to keep talking about this...

I feel like any attempt to define shounen/shoujo/seinen/josei beyond their most general (and literal) categories of being for boys/girls/men/women is doomed to fail.  Because there is a lot of variation within any of these categories, and different magazines even in the same category can have very different styles.

For example, Manga Time Kirara is a seinen magazine.  That's how it's classified and that's the category most of its readership falls into.  But I think you would be hard pressed to find a single series in that magazine that fits Hidoshi's definition of 'seinen' given above.  Manga Time Kirara focuses almost entirely on lighthearted moe stuff, mostly set in high school.  There is some romance, but also a lot of purely slice-of-life comedy style manga.  Probably the most famous manga to come out of it is K-On. 

Yes, K-On is seinen.

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« Reply #4573 on: August 09, 2017, 02:11:08 PM »
Yes, K-On is seinen.

You know, I never really thought it was a shoujo.
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« Reply #4574 on: August 09, 2017, 02:23:00 PM »

For example, Manga Time Kirara is a seinen magazine.  That's how it's classified and that's the category most of its readership falls into.  But I think you would be hard pressed to find a single series in that magazine that fits Hidoshi's definition of 'seinen' given above.  Manga Time Kirara focuses almost entirely on lighthearted moe stuff, mostly set in high school.  There is some romance, but also a lot of purely slice-of-life comedy style manga.  Probably the most famous manga to come out of it is K-On. 


Sounds like my kind of magazine considering series I've enjoyed so far include Lucky Star, Love Live, Is the Order a Rabbit?, Little Witch Academia, etc...