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Title: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 15, 2012, 12:17:49 AM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7166/6754993679_2dae23dfa7_z.jpg)

"Theathrythm Final Fantasy will be the first of many to feature the logo to celebrate the anniversary of the franchise.

The very first Final Fantasy was released for the Famicom in Japan on December 18, 1987."

source: gematsu.com


Final Fantasy Portal Site: http://www.finalfantasy.jp/

Random news from andriasang:

Theatrhythm Final Fantasy gets Nobuo Uematsu's endorsement (http://andriasang.com/comzyz/uematsu_theatrhythm/)
Iwata asks many questions about Theatrhythm Final Fantasy (http://andriasang.com/comzxy/iwata_asks_theatrhythm/)
Celebrate Final Fantasy's 25th Anniversary with Playing Cards and Tumblers (http://andriasang.com/comztb/ff25_goods/) (Square Enix Official Online Shop link (https://ssl.square-enix-shop.com/SqEx/jp/ShowProducts.action?site_id=1&categoryId=127&sid=1329282733357phefx7sGvT))

Happy Birthday Final Fantasy! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LjumNonNuI&hd=1)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on February 15, 2012, 02:16:54 AM
Lawl. Lightning is King and Vahn is a queen.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 20, 2012, 10:34:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uB8gbWAuV4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkwhxh5txJ0

The commercials that Japan got for FFIV are a thing of beauty. Is like Square at that time knew that Final Fantasy was popular enough that the only thing that they needed to do to sell the next title was putting an Ostrich with the Chocobo theme in the background and everyone would buy it.

...and I guess they did since even to this day Square can't stop making a remake everytime they have the chance.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 05, 2012, 05:03:44 PM
http://www.finalfantasy.jp/ff25th/

Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary teaser site opens (http://andriasang.com/con06j/ff_series_25/)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Matrix on March 06, 2012, 09:23:49 AM
what a great 25 years its been
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Bytor on March 06, 2012, 10:32:32 AM
I still remember playing the first FF on the NES when it came out and being simply blown away, wow, it's been a long time...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Matrix on March 06, 2012, 10:35:41 AM
I wouldnt say I was blown away because by that time I had already played alot of nes rpgs, But I will say I was quite addicted
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on March 06, 2012, 10:39:22 AM
First one played was... 2/4.  But I remember friends of the family having the first game.  

I'll never forget the bleeps of the battle theme for number 1, but I remember adoring the Troian Beauty theme and "environment" (at the time) in 4.  I learned it on accordion.... : |

Classics.  But will Squeenix make a "classic" FF again?  Is it sad I'm looking forward to 10 in HD?
Hopefully Squeenix can stop with the poor excuse of teen-like J-drama.  It's fucking infuriating and no one likes it unless they're needy/longing virgins (err or something like that).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Matrix on March 06, 2012, 10:42:42 AM
Eh I dont quite agree with that last part.

Ive been having alot of fun with ff this gen. Pretty much on par with any other I would say.

Ive been playing ff rhythm, and I have to say it moved me emotionally just to listen to all the music again. And then there was ff type zero which I finished not to long ago, which was the best action rpg I played all gen.

I do hope square japan announces some more good rpgs soon
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on March 06, 2012, 10:50:04 AM
I'm not talking spinoffs (I'd like to play TheatreRhythm myself), and I'm not talking about being emotionally moved by music.  But hey, different strokes.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Matrix on March 06, 2012, 10:52:54 AM
I dont quite think I am in the minority but I liked 13.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on March 06, 2012, 11:04:44 AM
I dont quite think I am in the minority but I liked 13.

I think you would be, actually.

I'm in the lump that said it was good, but by no means repayable or "epic"in whatever sense. I however applaud them making woman's hair to look like something other than a bob.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Matrix on March 06, 2012, 11:12:09 AM
rpgs are hardly ever replayable.....
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on March 06, 2012, 11:35:20 AM
rpgs are hardly ever replayable.....

A generalization, but hokay.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Matrix on March 06, 2012, 11:36:57 AM
usually that would be
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 06, 2012, 12:11:41 PM
But will Squeenix make a "classic" FF again?

I don't think that they want to at this point. Doing remakes of their classic titles has proven being more than enough for everyone, old and new fans alike.

Is it sad I'm looking forward to 10 in HD?

Is not one of my favorites but it is one the best JRPGs that Square has done. So no, is not sad. Though, the only sad thing if you want to mention one is that FFX is a 10+ year old game and is considered to be "the last great FF".

Hopefully Squeenix can stop with the poor excuse of teen-like J-drama.  It's fucking infuriating and no one likes it unless they're needy/longing virgins (err or something like that).

I'm curious, but what are for you these FFs that you consider being teen-like J-drama?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Matrix on March 06, 2012, 12:14:50 PM
i also thought the last really really great main game was considered to be 12?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on March 06, 2012, 12:28:43 PM
Hopefully Squeenix can stop with the poor excuse of teen-like J-drama.  It's fucking infuriating and no one likes it unless they're needy/longing virgins (err or something like that).

I'm curious, but what are for you these FFs that you consider being teen-like J-drama?

I'm kinda surprised I gotta spell this one out, but anything Nomura has got his grubby hands on, generally.  13 and 13-2 being the worst offenders for unrealistic scenarios being played out by unrealistic characters.  I don't understand this need to have characters brood half the fucking game.  Was Hope ever happy at any point of the game?

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 06, 2012, 12:38:57 PM
^Like I said, I was just curious to know because to me the whole teen-like J-drama sounds more fitting for FFVIII or X.

i also thought the last really really great main game was considered to be 12?

Dunno. In the time that everyone was excited for FFXII I think I was having fun with GameCube games... though, I always remember not being interested in playing it.

The only time I played XII was in the demo that came with Dragon Quest VIII, and it was so boring. It is worth mentioning that I got Dragon Quest VIII when the game was 4 or 5 years old at the time.

After that I waited around 4 fucking years for FFXIII and I didn't get it on day 1 because to me it seemed like a bad copy of Digital Devil Saga, but I bought a year later because of all the hate it was getting after a year of it's release... played it, had a good time with and then sold my copy to get inFamous 2.

Now I want play XIII again thanks to XIII-2 but really I should use that money to buy Nier.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on March 06, 2012, 12:44:08 PM
FF8 had a major advantage there... it wasn't voiced. :D

FFX could have been made significantly better of Tidus was knocked by a frying pan to rework his personality.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 06, 2012, 12:47:19 PM
FF8 had a major advantage there... it wasn't voiced. :D

I would have killed myself if FFVIII was voiced.

FFX could have been made significantly better of Tidus was knocked by a frying pan to rework his personality.

Seriously, Yuna should have been the main focus there since the beginning. But the way the story of FFX is told with Tidus makes it one of the best titles in the series too.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Matrix on March 06, 2012, 01:13:01 PM
personally I felt 12 was better than 10

I liked the world better, the combat, the side quests, the sheer amount of things to do, ect
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Prime Mover on March 06, 2012, 01:29:27 PM
As bad as Tidus's voiceover was, Yuna's was far worse IMO. A friend once walked in while I was playing FFX in a lounge and said something to the effect of, "is this chick for real?" Some of the delivery was so stilted and wooden. Tidus's voice actually was one of the better things going for him.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: MeshGearFox on March 06, 2012, 11:41:20 PM
Shit son.

We all old as FUCK.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on March 06, 2012, 11:48:53 PM
As bad as Tidus's voiceover was, Yuna's was far worse IMO. A friend once walked in while I was playing FFX in a lounge and said something to the effect of, "is this chick for real?" Some of the delivery was so stilted and wooden. Tidus's voice actually was one of the better things going for him.

Instead of sweet and kind, she sounded like a FOB. You could poor ellipses everywhere she talked...like klyde sometimes does. :D (I tease)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 06, 2012, 11:50:49 PM
^Does Yuna has the same voice in Dissidia 012?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Lard on March 07, 2012, 12:08:17 AM
 I'll never forget the bleeps of the battle theme for number 1, but I remember adoring the Troian Beauty theme and "environment" (at the time) in 4.  I learned it on accordion.... : |

Really? Can you still play it?

But will Squeenix make a "classic" FF again?
 

Four Warriors of Light on the DS and Crystal Chronicles for the Wii seem like the closest they've gotten. Of course that depends on whether you count the FF4 sequel that came out for Wii/PSP.

Is it sad I'm looking forward to 10 in HD?

Nah. It was the last FF I really enjoyed. FF13 wasn't terrible, but I agree with the consensus it's a mid-level game.
I've been avoiding the 13-2 thread because it didn't look like it was spoiler tagged, so I have no idea what the reaction on the board is to it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 29, 2012, 07:18:33 PM
Final Fantasy Franchise Review (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL64EF3ECA5CBEDF18)

Best series of reviews I've seen in YouTube. So far there's reviews for FF 1 to 8. Oh and they contains spoilers since there are more retrospectives than just reviews, so yeah.

Piano Opera FF IV/V/VI:

Protect the Espers ! (FF VI) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUjPKW_vrWY)
Searching for Friends (FF VI) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5_P0QwF92M)
My Home, Sweet Home (FF V) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dyKeA8ECiE)
Theme of Love (FF IV) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vilL69WjIfU)

Released in May 2012 for the 25th anniversary of Final Fantasy. Somehow it turn out to be better (IMO) than the last album.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Prime Mover on July 01, 2012, 02:47:26 PM
Instead of sweet and kind, she sounded like a FOB. You could poor ellipses everywhere she talked...like klyde sometimes does. :D (I tease)

Yuna... as voiced by... William Shatner.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Ashton on July 02, 2012, 12:04:57 AM
As bad as Tidus's voiceover was, Yuna's was far worse IMO. A friend once walked in while I was playing FFX in a lounge and said something to the effect of, "is this chick for real?" Some of the delivery was so stilted and wooden. Tidus's voice actually was one of the better things going for him.
Honestly, I blame the voice director for as much of this as the actress, if not moreso. I think the guy had Yuna's VA record her "Okay" line ONCE and then reused it everytime she needed to say that. Horrible.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Der Jermeister on July 02, 2012, 12:25:10 AM
I think the voice acting was more an issue with writing than acting, particularly during the "laughing scene." You could hire Patrick Stewart for that part and it still wouldn't have sounded any better. If I were in charge of localization, I would have just probably cut that scene out. Death to all who insult FFX's gameplay, though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on July 02, 2012, 02:53:54 AM
I think the voice acting was more an issue with writing than acting, particularly during the "laughing scene." You could hire Patrick Stewart for that part and it still wouldn't have sounded any better. If I were in charge of localization, I would have just probably cut that scene out. Death to all who insult FFX's gameplay, though.

I'll admit it. The thought of Patrick Stewart voicing Tidus for the FFX HD remake is hilarious, and I'd even bet that he could blow the previous version out of the water (well okay, maybe not completely since even John Dimaggio couldn't salvage Wakka; and I have the distinct feeling like I'm opening a can of VA worms here, but my circuitous point here is that the direction would probably screw the performance over either way).

Granted, there would be no way in hell that Squeenix would ever consider this given that this would go against Tidus's character traits and we can't possibly have that (at the very least though they wouldn't cheap out on it like Bethesda did with Oblivion).

Regardless, it's most likely that we're probably just going to get the same recordings recycled from over a decade ago.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 02, 2012, 03:16:42 AM
I don't want to see the same mess that happened with Silent Hill HD Collection again. I still don't get how Konami fucked up both games so badly...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Prime Mover on July 03, 2012, 04:21:04 PM
Honestly, I blame the voice director for as much of this as the actress, if not moreso. I think the guy had Yuna's VA record her "Okay" line ONCE and then reused it everytime she needed to say that. Horrible.

Spot on. Director's should be given credit/criticism more than they do. Sure, actors/voice actors are the people you see and hear, but every decision is the director's to make. Even the best actors blow many takes, it's the director's job to coax the best performance out of the actor, either by doing it enough times to get a really good take, coaching them, or finding them coaches (nothing to be ashamed of, different rolls take different unique acting research and practice). Part of my job is to do voiceovers or direct voiceovers for my commercials. If I don't like the way someone delivers something, I have them do it over... and over... and over, if necessary. I force them to identify and modify their inflection, stress, and style. At the end of the day, it's my responsibility, and I take the criticism/credit for the overall quality of the piece.

Yuna's voice is a great example. For all we know, the voice actress could be very talented. She certainly has no problems with her voice, itself. But she was given the impression, for whatever reason, to voice the character in an incredibly stilted manner. Also, you can tell that sometimes she just wasn't able to get into the roll, and it sounds forced. I think the localization has something to do with it too (also the director's responsibility). For the most part, Tidus's script wasn't bad, but i think they struggled with Yuna's. It's largely cultural: Yuna's personality is that of a stereotypical demure Japanese lady, for which there is no real western counterpart. The truth is, the localizers should have probably taken a bit more liberty in slightly re-defining Yuna's personality for western audiences. I believe that localizers have a duty to try to make the audiences feel as close to how the original language's audiences did. To a Japanese audience, Yuna's character is recognizable, and probably fairly comfortable. But to western audiences, it becomes awkward and calls more attention to itself than it probably should. Then put it in English, and it becomes even more bizarre. It's then the localizers' job to ratchet down the personality aspects that would make western audiences respond differently to the character than Japanese audiences. Again... director's responsibility. By the time it got to the voice actress, there wasn't a whole lot she could do to smooth out the character. And probably the director was still not thinking so much about western audience's different response to the character, and was pushing the voice actress to be as demure as possible. That was their decision, and I believe it was a bad one. Of course, localization teams have to answer to home base, and it may have been that the Japanese office is to blame for forcing these awkward cultural aspects on the localization project.

That said, I hear that the English voice acting is miles ahead of the Japanese, in this case. I gather they used the motion capture actors to do the voice acting, with very poor results. Many people claim that it's one of the worst Japanese voice acting jobs in video games.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kup
Post by: Alisha on July 04, 2012, 07:05:15 AM
^Does Yuna has the same voice in Dissidia 012?
yep.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 21, 2012, 04:28:02 AM
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xLpzysUINw)

Also known as "Final Fantasy USA: Mystic Quest" in Japan. In short, the game is "Final Fantasy for dumb people" that also happen to have surprisingly awesome music and a fuckton of charm.

Though, I like this cover of the battle theme more (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRpvol2KcQE).

Did anyone here has played it?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aurian on July 21, 2012, 01:41:12 PM
Its a very easy, charming FF. I blew through it in one weekend (and that's with sleep, food, etc), whereas FFIV took me months.

The music is really catch though. I still have tunes in my head.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 21, 2012, 04:03:50 PM
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xLpzysUINw)

Also known as "Final Fantasy USA: Mystic Quest" in Japan. In short, the game is "Final Fantasy for dumb people" that also happen to have surprisingly awesome music and a fuckton of charm.

Though, I like this cover of the battle theme more (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRpvol2KcQE).

Did anyone here has played it?

Mystic quest was a blemish on my pristine memories of the beginning of the golden era of RPG's for me....  to be honest its been far too long since I played it to tell you what left me with such an ill impression of the title... I do remember appreciating on screen enemies and some different play mechanics though (jumping and swinging a sword in real time on the map screens if I recall correctly)

Back from the hay-day of FFVI, Chrono, Secret of Mana (the real square titans in my mind...) I remember Mystic quest and Secret of Evermore really leaving a bad taste in my mouth.... Evermore I remember much more clearly..... I recall the MC's sprite making me feel as though I was always playing as the older brother from the show "The Wonder Years".... I freakin' hated it....
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Pmayo on July 23, 2012, 08:10:11 AM
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xLpzysUINw)

Also known as "Final Fantasy USA: Mystic Quest" in Japan. In short, the game is "Final Fantasy for dumb people" that also happen to have surprisingly awesome music and a fuckton of charm.

Though, I like this cover of the battle theme more (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRpvol2KcQE).

Did anyone here has played it?

Mystic quest was a blemish on my pristine memories of the beginning of the golden era of RPG's for me....  to be honest its been far too long since I played it to tell you what left me with such an ill impression of the title... I do remember appreciating on screen enemies and some different play mechanics though (jumping and swinging a sword in real time on the map screens if I recall correctly)

Back from the hay-day of FFVI, Chrono, Secret of Mana (the real square titans in my mind...) I remember Mystic quest and Secret of Evermore really leaving a bad taste in my mouth.... Evermore I remember much more clearly..... I recall the MC's sprite making me feel as though I was always playing as the older brother from the show "The Wonder Years".... I freakin' hated it....

I played both games at the time, even owned Secret of Evermore. I have not played it in a very long time, but my memories of Evermore are all positive. I do remember some big market area where you had to trade stuff that got kind of annoying, but I liked it enough to beat the game. Maybe its just nostalgia talking, so it does not hold up?

Even though I was young, I do remember Mystic Quest feeling a little to simple, probably because I was also playing some of those golden RPGs you where talking about at the same time. Strangely I have no memories of Mystic Quests music, which checking it out on yotube now, is excellent. Who is the composer for that?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 23, 2012, 03:32:13 PM
Who is the composer for that?

Yasuhiro Kawakami and Ryuji Sasai.

And according to VGMdb Sasai worked on the music for the SaGa games for GameBoy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 04, 2012, 07:37:43 AM
"Six years after release, Final Fantasy XII will see the piano arranged treatment, and is said to be coming soon. The album will be overseen by FFXII composer Hitoshi Sakimoto and will contain several tracks." -- Source: Nova Crystallis (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3209)

Tracklist:

- Opening Movie (Theme of Final Fantasy XII) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju8OrrHrlHs)
- The Dream to be a Sky Pirate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqZquGHjkBA)
- The Royal City of Rabanastre / Town Ward Upper Stratum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBVj5dKgEi8)
- The Dalmasca Eastersand (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgqlQohSbjg)
- Theme of the Empire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI6b1bQCsg)
- The Skycity of Bhujerba (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iczwapZKkw0)

How the hell do you make an arrangement of the bombastic theme of the empire on piano?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Agent D. on August 04, 2012, 01:21:54 PM
Drugs...probably hallucinogenics.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 08, 2012, 10:23:55 AM
FINAL FANTASY series Biography -- The numbered series (http://na.square-enix.com/finalfantasy/go/article/view/final_fantasy_25th_anniversary/259443/final_fantasy_series_biography_--_the_numbered_seriesm)

"The first article in our new Series Biography articles. We introduce here the numbered titles in the FINAL FANTASY series."
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 31, 2012, 07:03:51 AM
Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Ultimate Box:

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Contents:

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・Mini-replica of Yoshitaka Amano's 25th Anniversary artwork and stand

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(http://i45.tinypic.com/1zmz790.png)

FINAL FANTASY I~XIII

・FINAL FANTASY (PS1 ver.)
・FINAL FANTASY II (PS1 ver.)
・FINAL FANTASY III (PSP ver.)
・FINAL FANTASY IV (PS1 ver.)
・FINAL FANTASY V (PS1 ver.)
・FINAL FANTASY VI (PS1 ver.)
・FINAL FANTASY VII -International- (PS1 ver., 4 discs)
・FINAL FANTASY VIII (PS1 ver., 4 discs)
・FINAL FANTASY IX (PS1 ver., 4 discs)
・FINAL FANTASY X (PS2 ver.)
・FINAL FANTASY XI Vana'diel Collection 2 (PS2 ver., 1 disc)
・FINAL FANTASY XII (PS2 ver., 1 disc)
・FINAL FANTASY XIII (PS3 ver., 1 disc)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/mjo9ea.png)

・"Crystal ArtWorks" anniversary visual art collection

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2dm9fte.png)

・Special anniversary video disc

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2a6tqgh.png)

・2-discs anniversary music selection CD -- http://www.square-enix.co.jp/music/sem/page/ff25th_musicselection/

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・Final Fantasy XIV Mogu Mogu Earring item code

Official site: http://store.jp.square-enix.com/special/ff25th

Price and Release date: ¥35,000 ($446 USD), December 18th 2012 -- exclusive to the Square Enix e-Store

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"New Ultimania guide books are on their way – a set of three to commemorate Final Fantasy's 25th anniversary.

Volume 1 covers Final Fantasy I-VI, Volume 2 covers VII-IX and Volume 3 covers X-XIV. Each book will contain 320 pages and include never before seen artwork. Priced at ¥3,255, all three will be available from December 18th exclusively through the Square Enix e-Shop. Those who buy the entire set will get a special bonus item, which remains unannounced."
-- Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: beLIEve? on August 31, 2012, 11:24:21 AM
if i could just get that ff3 umd (assuming it's localized) i would be happy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Kevadu on August 31, 2012, 12:10:45 PM
if i could just get that ff3 umd (assuming it's localized) i would be happy.

You're welcome. (http://www.play-asia.com/Final_Fantasy_III/paOS-13-71-9f-49-en-70-4yyl.html)

Yes it's the JP version, but reports say it has an English language option.  Given the state of the PSP market over here I doubt S-E will ever release it here but since the game was already translated I guess they figured why not include the English script and make some importers happy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: beLIEve? on August 31, 2012, 12:23:06 PM
if i could just get that ff3 umd (assuming it's localized) i would be happy.

You're welcome. (http://www.play-asia.com/Final_Fantasy_III/paOS-13-71-9f-49-en-70-4yyl.html)

Yes it's the JP version, but reports say it has an English language option.  Given the state of the PSP market over here I doubt S-E will ever release it here but since the game was already translated I guess they figured why not include the English script and make some importers happy.

oh sweet! i heard it came out in japan or was due to come out, but i didn't hear squat about the english option so i will definitely import this now. thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 31, 2012, 03:03:33 PM
"Versus XIII and series producer Shinji Hashimoto stated "no comment" on upcoming HD re-release for the PS Vita and PS3." -- Source: Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/no-official-word-on-final-fantasy-x-hds-progress-square-enix-6394063)

---

Final Fantasy creators sketches:

(http://i.imgur.com/FQlpR.jpg)

Noctis (Nomura), Cloud (Naora), Lightning (Kamikokuryo) and Ashe (Yoshida).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on August 31, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
I NEED THAT PICTURE IN HI-RESS!!!!!!!! D:

"No comment" is usually "a thing", right?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 31, 2012, 04:01:24 PM
"No comment" is usually "a thing", right?

Yeah, FFX HD is being developed internally at Square Enix by Product Development Division 1 if I remember correctly and also someone from SE said a long time ago that they wanted to offer something with the same quality as the Ico and Shadow of the Colossus Collection.

Other than that there's no much info.

---

Bunch of pics from the event (Final Fantasy Network):

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2yv0yol.jpg)

The presentation floor at the 25th AE.

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2r6gvf5.png)

Final Fantasy XIV presentation. Top secret!

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2i7tykx.png)

Eorzea Cafe: "Meteor Strike" and "Bl... Bla... Black Materia Cookie"

(http://i48.tinypic.com/k3ottx.png)

Final Fantasy VI artwork by Hiromu Arakawa (Fullmetal Alchemist, Hero Tales, Silver Spoon)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/ffac5h.jpg)

Scale model of Midgar from Final Fantasy VII

(http://i45.tinypic.com/nlbuir.png)

Final Fantasy Brigade chocobo statue!

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2a8rrz8.png)

Sin from Final Fantasy X

(http://i45.tinypic.com/33nfayq.png)

Gabranth's armor from Final Fantasy XII returns!

(http://i47.tinypic.com/oe3qp.png)

Yoshitaka Amano's artwork of 25 years of Final Fantasy (famitsu.com)

More here: http://www.finalfantasy.net/misc/final-fantasy-25th-anniversary-event-kicks/#more-9691
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Lucca on September 01, 2012, 04:57:11 PM
So is anyone playing Final Fantasy Demensions? It's amazingly not that bad! Expensive...but not that bad!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 02, 2012, 03:45:20 AM
HISTORY of SQUARE ENIX VISUAL WORKS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK61oogGjPo)

This video contains content from Square Enix Co., Ltd., who has blocked it on copyright grounds.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aurian on September 02, 2012, 10:49:59 AM
So is anyone playing Final Fantasy Demensions? It's amazingly not that bad! Expensive...but not that bad!

I am. I downloaded the free prologue demo and had the most fun I've had in a long time (see guys, you don't need your damn fancy graphics and action menus, you just need to do old style!). I just bought the whole thing since I definetly wanted to play more.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kup
Post by: Alisha on September 02, 2012, 02:39:36 PM
if i could just get that ff3 umd (assuming it's localized) i would be happy.

You're welcome. (http://www.play-asia.com/Final_Fantasy_III/paOS-13-71-9f-49-en-70-4yyl.html)

Yes it's the JP version, but reports say it has an English language option.  Given the state of the PSP market over here I doubt S-E will ever release it here but since the game was already translated I guess they figured why not include the English script and make some importers happy.
nice i've been wanting to play this since i like the job system. and it's only $50 to boot. never tried ds version due to pixelated polygons.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on September 02, 2012, 10:03:13 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/09/02/final-fantasy-fans-pick-knight-as-the-most-attractive-job-summoner-is-6/

I am disappoint that Monk didn't even make the list.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: kyuusei on September 03, 2012, 01:02:54 AM
So they announce (as a joke) an otome based on Type-0, which would actually be an interesting idea and not do too badly if it were real.

Meanwhile, we're still waiting on word on Type-0 in the West/Vita port/whatever the hell's going on with that game.

Alright then, Square.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 03, 2012, 01:37:30 AM
After Dissidia and Theatrhythm I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a real game for the next anniversary.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on September 03, 2012, 06:21:43 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/09/02/final-fantasy-fans-pick-knight-as-the-most-attractive-job-summoner-is-6/

I am disappoint that Monk didn't even make the list.

Monk male, and female dancer -- where!??!!??  Disappointed, Japan.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 21, 2012, 01:38:01 AM
FINAL FANTASY 25th ANNIVERSARY ULTIMATE BOX PV -- Square Enix Channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12NpQD57EMA)

Edit: FFIII is coming out next week on PSN (http://www.psnstores.com/2012/09/sneak-peek-september-25th-psn-releases/), no need to import.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kup
Post by: Alisha on September 21, 2012, 02:50:10 AM
that job survey is weird im guessing its a bunch of males/females guessing what the opposite sex would like. wich makes 2nd place whm all the more tragic lol. actually its makes knight tragic too.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 17, 2012, 10:18:20 PM
Japan ranks their favorite male characters from the Final Fantasy series (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3887) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

(http://i46.tinypic.com/5f447b.png)

"The official Final Fantasy forums recently held a vote to determine the top male characters among users.

The results are in, with the top five having been through a rollercoaster race to the finish. Early on Zack and Cloud fought head to head, but Zack's lead widened in the second half. At one point Cloud ran the risk of being outpaced by Zidane, who eventually passed both Tidus and Squall. After a fierce battle, the top five had finally assembled.

Beyond that are the remainder of the characters counted with a total of 73 names that made the cut. Those with duplicate rankings held the same amount of votes, and are thus counted as a tied ranking.

The next poll will focus on the female characters of Final Fantasy."


Results:

1. Zack (FFVII)
2. Cloud (FFVII)
3. Zidane (FFIX)
4. Tidus (FFX)
5. Squall (FFVIII)
6. Bartz (FFV)
7. Kain (FFIV)
8. Sephiroth (FFVII)
9. Cecil (FFIV)
10. Vincent (FFVII)
11. Noel (FFXIII-2)
12. Reno (FFVII)
13. Edgar (FFVI)
13. Lock (FFVI)
15. Balthier (FFXII)
15. Laguna (FFVIII)
17. Auron (FFX)
17. Hope (FFXIII)
19. Noctis (FF Versus XIII)
19. Reeve (FFVII)
21. Edge (FFIV)
21. Kuja (FFIX)
23. Irvine (FFVIII)
23. Gilbart (FFIV)
25. Vaan (FFXII)
25. Onion Knight (FFIII)
25. Galuf (FFV)
25. Golbez (FFIV)
25. Zell (FFVIII)
25. Vivi (FFIX)
25. Mash (Sabin) (FFVI)
32. Warrior of Light (FF)
32. Ace (FF Type-0)
32. Kurasame (FF Type-0)
32. Sazh (FFXIII)
32. Cid (Entire series)
32. Steiner (FFIX)
32. Firion (FFII)
32. Ming-Wu (FFII)
32. Rufus Shinra (FFVII)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on December 17, 2012, 11:52:51 PM
Where to begin with that list. Kinda disappointed that every Cid got rolled into one entry given how completely different some of them turned out to be. Vaan and Zell shouldn't be tied with Sabin, Galuf, Golbez, and Vivi. Hope is way too high. Lol Noctis. Steiner is way too low. And I'd argue that Tidus and Squall should be tied with rock bottom but they're main characters and thus is hard to argue against that but still, Butz should've been higher than those chucklefucks.

At least the fanwanking over Sephiroth has been diminishing and there's thankfully no sign of Gaius Baltar Caius Ballad.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Cyril on December 18, 2012, 01:07:39 AM
It's a crime for Rufus to be so low.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on December 18, 2012, 01:26:38 AM
For Rufus, Cid[s], and Steiner to be so low and Tidus to be so high...and for Versus' Noctis to even be there at all, proves Japanese tastes as not to be taken terribly serious.  Biggest surprise is Vivi ranking so low, I thought Japanese peeps had a thing for mascot-like characters... he's almost half of one.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on December 18, 2012, 01:46:13 AM
For Rufus, Cid, and Steiner to be so low and Tidus to be so high...and for Versus' Noctis to even be there at all, proves Japanese tastes as not to be taken terribly serious.  Biggest surprise is Vivi ranking so low, I thought Japanese peeps had a thing for mascot-like characters... he's almost half of one.

Vivi would be a mascot character if he was a one dimensional character (which he's not).

And another thing that I notice is where's Gilgamesh? Sure he's just a lackey/recurring boss/reference, but he's still got more going for him than losers like Hope Esteem and Noel Christ. Plus Vincent should be lower purely by virtue of Dirge of Cerberus existing (Mr. Fill My Dark Soul With LIIIIIGHT!!!!! and his prepubescent love interest beating Mr. Leading Man Balthier is bullshit).

Also, the Type-0 guys just remind me of how disappoint I am at Squeenix's refusal to localize anything non-high budget/good.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on December 18, 2012, 01:58:24 AM
I said half. :(
He's the FF-Black Mage just with more of a role and a helluva lot more speaking lines. :P
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Ashton on December 18, 2012, 02:18:42 AM
The fact that Zack and Zidane, two of my favorite male characters in the series, are in the top three automatically makes that list awesome. Thumbs up, Japan.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Chronix112 on December 18, 2012, 04:18:01 AM
Auron tied with Hope ......blasphemy!
And how hell is Noctis  19?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on December 18, 2012, 11:26:47 AM
List shenanigans aside....

http://www.siliconera.com/2012/12/18/square-enix-holds-final-fantasy-25th-anniversary-sale-on-psn/

Does anybody with PSN know if this applies to other countries of if this is Japan only?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Akanbe- on December 18, 2012, 11:20:12 PM
Not sure, but that reminds me.  The official North America Square Enix store has tons of games, new and old, up for sale with free shipping.  I got FF Theatrhythm for 20 bucks total.  Saw KH Birth by Sleep for $10 total, Deus EX: HDR for $15 total, and other older PS2 games as well as new 3DS/PS3 stuff.  Definitely worth checking out.

http://store.na.square-enix.com/store/sqenixus/DisplayHomePage
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 26, 2012, 02:02:07 AM
Final Fantasy series staff discuss their past, present, and future (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4027) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

"This week's Famitsu came packed with a bonus booklet to celebrate the end of the year and Final Fantasy's 25th anniversary.

Contained within included not only a look at the future of the series, but guest illustrations as well as several comments from a selection of the series' staff.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Taelus on December 26, 2012, 12:36:49 PM
The fact that Zack and Zidane, two of my favorite male characters in the series, are in the top three automatically makes that list awesome. Thumbs up, Japan.

Yes.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 04, 2013, 06:53:14 AM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/34nha8k.png)

Celebrating 25 Years... (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4089) -- Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on January 04, 2013, 01:18:15 PM
So whatever happened to Japan's ranking of favorite female FF characters? I've been looking forward to mocking that list for half a month now.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on January 04, 2013, 04:03:25 PM
I just noticed the 25th anni logo has all the other ones in it... that's pretty cool~! :D

Fav female is gonna be an interesting one.  Usually demonstrates what Japan likes in women compared to NA a bit (in saying that, I think Yuna might rank quite high).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Kevadu on January 04, 2013, 04:59:37 PM
Fav female is gonna be an interesting one.  Usually demonstrates what Japan likes in women compared to NA a bit (in saying that, I think Yuna might rank quite high).

You think Yuna wouldn't rank high in NA?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on January 04, 2013, 05:24:09 PM
Fav female is gonna be an interesting one.  Usually demonstrates what Japan likes in women compared to NA a bit (in saying that, I think Yuna might rank quite high).

You think Yuna wouldn't rank high in NA?


The X-2 version might.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 06, 2013, 10:43:29 AM
I need a little help here guys.

A few days ago I was messing around in the Japanese channel of Square Enix in YouTube and I remembered they uploaded a bunch of old trailers from the series. While I was watching the one for Final Fantasy X, at the end of trailer it plays an arrangement of the main theme of FF (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGVlSl6v_7c#t=2m21s) that I'm pretty sure I've never heard before.

Does anyone know if that track is in the OST or not?

Here's the playlist of the trailers (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0A10430B192601DF) if anyone wanna see them.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on January 06, 2013, 10:56:14 AM
Fav female is gonna be an interesting one.  Usually demonstrates what Japan likes in women compared to NA a bit (in saying that, I think Yuna might rank quite high).

You think Yuna wouldn't rank high in NA?


The X-2 version might.

I meant in japan, sorry for not making it clear..
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 17, 2013, 10:56:15 PM
Japan ranks their favorite female characters from the Final Fantasy series (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4139) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

(http://i45.tinypic.com/muwod1.png)

"The results for Japan's female character vote is now in.

Much like the earlier male character poll which saw Zack (FFVII) as the over all winner, the fight for the top appears to have been fierce. Lightning came in at #1, just narrowly beating out Aerith after taking what was seemingly an early runaway lead. Aerith and Yuna, however, were fighting for the top spot from the very beginning.

46 character names in total were posted by fans and the results – although not as detailed as the previous poll – reflect a general opinion of Japan's Final Fantasy Forum using fans.

Those with duplicate rankings held the same amount of votes, and are thus counted as a tied ranking. Check out the full compiled list below. Note that not all 46 names are represented here, as characters with too few votes are not represented."


Results:

1. Lightning (FFXIII)
2. Aerith (FFVII)
3. Yuna (FFX)
4. Tifa (FFVII)
5. Celes (FFVI)
6. Tina (FFVI)
7. Serah (FFXIII)
8. Garnet (FFIX)
8. Faris (FFV)
10. Rinoa (FFVIII)
10. Rydia (FFIV)
12. Selphie (FFVIII)
13. Rikku (FFX)
14. Beatrix (FFIX)
14. Yuffie (FFVII)
16. Ashe (FFXII)
17. Rosa (FFIV)
17. Eiko (FFIX)
17. Agrias (FFT)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Kevadu on January 17, 2013, 10:59:25 PM
The rest isn't too surprising but I seriously didn't expect Lightning to top the list.  But then these polls alway seem biased towards recent releases.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Taelus on January 19, 2013, 02:56:11 PM
Speaking of the 25th, I'm currently listening my copy of

http://vgmdb.net/album/36001

This :)

It is good.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on January 20, 2013, 12:32:40 AM
Speaking of the 25th, I'm currently listening my copy of

http://vgmdb.net/album/36001

This :)

It is good.

As good as that collection is, I've heard a lot of these before on several other albums.  Not to say I don't love them and don't want this collection as well, though.
But *I'd KILL* if they did an orchestrated selection to some of the more "hidden gems" of the game's soundtracks. D:

FF9's Loss of Me, or FF7's Cosmo Canyon, FFX's Yunalesca fight, hell, a lot of FF12 is largely ignored (and damn that game had a few awesome tracks that'd be *perfect* to orchestrate).  I do admire a lot of the non-standard OSTs that have been coming out lately for the series.  The SQs were pretty great for picking some of the less-standard themes.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 20, 2013, 10:08:34 AM
I like this album (http://vgmdb.net/album/21858) more because FFXIII and XIV actually get recognition here. I was pretty bored of seeing the same themes over and over again.

Twilight over Thanalan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8TshU_nGZA) and Answers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6Zaefwo94) are crazy good though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Kratoscar2008 on January 25, 2013, 11:34:38 PM
The rest isn't too surprising but I seriously didn't expect Lightning to top the list.  But then these polls alway seem biased towards recent releases.

this poll was filled by CURRENT FF fans so most of the votes comes from people that still care for FF specifically the XIII series, then again JP is weird they know NOTHING about Noctis and he already beat some old timers FF fans, really weird.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 26, 2013, 11:41:03 AM
"Noctis has short, spiky, black hair and blue eyes. Although, according to Nomura, his hair and eyes can change color along with his emotions and actions in battle.

Noctis is said to be a very shy person, but he initially tries to hide this by "acting cool". According to director Tetsuya Nomura, Noctis will not have the "Cloud-like" personality that people are currently expecting. Instead, he will be a type of character that has not yet been seen in the series, one which Nomura has wanted to try out for a long time. Nomura says that Noctis will have a strong and distinctive personality, and will absolutely not be a "silent, gloomy little boy".

In a recent Dengeki interview, Nomura explained that Noctis is not cool, but rather an ordinary young man who acts tough because he feels that it is his duty to protect his kingdom and its citizens. As a result, he sometimes acts rashly or overestimates his own strength."


— Noctis Lucis Caelum (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Noctis_Lucis_Caelum) -- Source: FF Wiki
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Parn on January 26, 2013, 12:05:58 PM
So after almost seven years since the game was announced, we learn that the protagonist is not cool.  Meanwhile, there is still no game to show.

Swell.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 26, 2013, 12:42:20 PM
I've never liked the hype behind Versus. (~_~;)

Versus itself though, it does sounds very interesting from the bunch of info I've read over the years but given the people behind the project I can tell that this going to be messy once is released.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yoda on January 26, 2013, 08:26:16 PM
So after almost seven years since the game was announced, we learn that the protagonist is not cool.  Meanwhile, there is still no game to show.

Swell.

Love it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on January 26, 2013, 08:44:20 PM
So after almost seven years since the game was announced, we learn that the protagonist is not cool.  Meanwhile, there is still no game to show.

Swell.

Muthafuckas EYES change color htough!!!  FKUCING BADASS!!!

Fuck... If my eyes changed color to reflect my emotions, they'd be RED all work long.  No one would buy a warranty unlees I could scare them into it.  ...what color is "love"?  My eyes would change to that color every time this cute dude walks in-- giving it all away.

...my mind's gotten away from me
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on January 26, 2013, 09:13:15 PM
So after almost seven years since the game was announced, we learn that the protagonist is not cool.  Meanwhile, there is still no game to show.

Swell.

Muthafuckas EYES change color htough!!!  FKUCING BADASS!!!

Fuck... If my eyes changed color to reflect my emotions, they'd be RED all work long.  No one would buy a warranty unlees I could scare them into it.  ...what color is "love"?  My eyes would change to that color every time this cute dude walks in-- giving it all away.

...my mind's gotten away from me

Somehow I suspect that some intrepid individual on the interwebs will photoshop a gif of Noctis with Dragon Tears from BoF2 for his eyes in the very near future if it hasn't happened already.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 04, 2013, 10:09:05 PM
"I don't quite agree with this, because there's no inherent trait in the tone of earlier FFs that differentiates them all that much from the newer ones. What makes something like FFVI "more 25+ oriented" than FFXII? I kinda doubt the individuals who "grew out of FF" are gonna be found hanging out on some forum dedicated to the franchise.

I think the actual heart of the problem has much less to do with the age demographic itself and is really more a result of this exaggerated sense of nostalgia that mistakenly causes people like this to believe the quality of more recent titles can't be achieved, when in reality it's their own unique experiences they're failing to replicate. It may also partially have to do with a distaste for Nomura's character designs, and while I admittedly can't blame them for that, it's silly to extend that sort of dislike to the entire game."


– Originally posted by Carlov on NeoGAF

Also, Play Arts Kai stuff (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4283) and FF titles now 50% off on NA PSN (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4299).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Kevadu on February 04, 2013, 11:16:31 PM
Right...character designs...that's my problem with recent FF games...

How can somebody be so oblivious to all the legitimate criticism these games have received?  I'm not going to repeat it here because what's the point.  It's been said a thousand times already.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 05, 2013, 12:24:50 AM
I like more the part about the 'exaggerated sense of nostalgia', I've seen a bunch of that in the last few years. The entire thing of people discussing the state of the series is pretty boring to follow though since a part of all that mess is about different perspectives, how people over the years have experienced the games, where it can go from there and also how the expectations from players crashes with the vision of the team that worked on the game.

ヾ(*´ー`)ノ whatever...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Agent D. on February 05, 2013, 01:00:36 AM
The only issue the ff series has is that they're making the games sucky. If they stop doing this, everyone wins!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on February 05, 2013, 10:34:30 AM
"I don't quite agree with this, because there's no inherent trait in the tone of earlier FFs that differentiates them all that much from the newer ones. What makes something like FFVI "more 25+ oriented" than FFXII? I kinda doubt the individuals who "grew out of FF" are gonna be found hanging out on some forum dedicated to the franchise.

I think the actual heart of the problem has much less to do with the age demographic itself and is really more a result of this exaggerated sense of nostalgia that mistakenly causes people like this to believe the quality of more recent titles can't be achieved, when in reality it's their own unique experiences they're failing to replicate. It may also partially have to do with a distaste for Nomura's character designs, and while I admittedly can't blame them for that, it's silly to extend that sort of dislike to the entire game."


– Originally posted by Carlov on NeoGAF

Also, Play Arts Kai stuff (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4283) and FF titles now 50% off on NA PSN (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4299).

What I'm reading is: "Our games are totally better than those old relics, you just can't see it through all those rose tinted glasses you're all wearing. Also Nomura is totally a cool dude, stop hatin' on him guys!"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 05, 2013, 07:13:21 PM
What I'm reading is: "Our games are totally better than those old relics, you just can't see it through all those rose tinted glasses you're all wearing. Also Nomura is totally a cool dude, stop hatin' on him guys!"

What I read is: "Stop being a dick about modern FF titles. We got the message."
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Taelus on February 05, 2013, 11:32:30 PM
What I'm reading is: "Our games are totally better than those old relics, you just can't see it through all those rose tinted glasses you're all wearing. Also Nomura is totally a cool dude, stop hatin' on him guys!"

What I read is: "Stop being a dick about modern FF titles. We got the message."

What I heard is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04

When they start making Final Fantasies with characters that are memorable again I will start liking them again.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 05, 2013, 11:42:52 PM
If I recall correctly, the people working on Agni's Philosophy do not want the same kind of polarizing reaction that XIII had and I doubt Nomura being the director of Versus XIII wants that as well.

Lightning Returns is very much a game for the people that has enjoyed the XIII series so far even if Kitase and Toriyama have good intentions in doing a game that everyone can enjoy without preconceptions for whatever reason fans didn't like XIII and/or XIII-2.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Taelus on February 05, 2013, 11:55:47 PM
I really wanted to like XIII a lot more. I loved the art style and the music and the combat, but the linearity and the cutout characters just killed it for me. I liked a lot of their designs, but their character arcs were totally unrelatable (except maybe Sazh) for me.

I hope the next FF spends a little more time on making the characters likeable. Drama is more effective with some comedy and some likeability! Make me CARE about these characters, then I'll really buy into the melodrama.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on February 06, 2013, 10:29:31 AM
What I'm reading is: "Our games are totally better than those old relics, you just can't see it through all those rose tinted glasses you're all wearing. Also Nomura is totally a cool dude, stop hatin' on him guys!"

What I read is: "Stop being a dick about modern FF titles. We got the message."

Hey now, I totally enjoyed FFXII (barring its flaws) back when it came out. Granted, if I wanted to play a JRPG that features wide open environments and encourages exploration today I'll play Xenoblade, but back then FFXII was almost the closest we got to that since the SuperNES era (DQVIII was better but I had already beaten it by then). I didn't have any problems with the Gambit system and I enjoyed the idea of not having to remember to steal from enemies when I fight them (except for the fights where you need to steal multiple times for good, one chance at them items) or having to keep an eye on my HP to know when to pop a potion (or to at least query up a potion that'll never be used as I'm cheaply stunlocked to death due to an exploit in the game's ATB (that FFX-2 also abused)). Plus I enjoyed what plot and characters were there (except for the parts and people that were either lifted straight out of Star Wars or the parts that existed solely to adhere to the Final Fantasy Formula).

And who knows, I might also enjoy some of the other modern FF titles like Type-0 and Bravely Default (should Squeenix ever decide to bother getting off their lazy asses and letting them see the light of day outside of Japan).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Blace on February 06, 2013, 10:56:19 AM
What I'm reading is: "Our games are totally better than those old relics, you just can't see it through all those rose tinted glasses you're all wearing. Also Nomura is totally a cool dude, stop hatin' on him guys!"

What I read is: "Stop being a dick about modern FF titles. We got the message."

Hey now, I totally enjoyed FFXII (barring its flaws) back when it came out. Granted, if I wanted to play a JRPG that features wide open environments and encourages exploration today I'll play Xenoblade, but back then FFXII was almost the closest we got to that since the SuperNES era (DQVIII was better but I had already beaten it by then). I didn't have any problems with the Gambit system and I enjoyed the idea of not having to remember to steal from enemies when I fight them (except for the fights where you need to steal multiple times for good, one chance at them items) or having to keep an eye on my HP to know when to pop a potion (or to at least query up a potion that'll never be used as I'm cheaply stunlocked to death due to an exploit in the game's ATB (that FFX-2 also abused)). Plus I enjoyed what plot and characters were there (except for the parts and people that were either lifted straight out of Star Wars or the parts that existed solely to adhere to the Final Fantasy Formula).

Balthier is boss. One of my favorite characters from any Final Fantasy. Heck, Basch was pretty sweet too. I'd reckon that was one of my favorite casts of the series. I would totally love an HD FF XII.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Taelus on February 06, 2013, 09:42:08 PM
What I'm reading is: "Our games are totally better than those old relics, you just can't see it through all those rose tinted glasses you're all wearing. Also Nomura is totally a cool dude, stop hatin' on him guys!"

What I read is: "Stop being a dick about modern FF titles. We got the message."

Hey now, I totally enjoyed FFXII (barring its flaws) back when it came out. Granted, if I wanted to play a JRPG that features wide open environments and encourages exploration today I'll play Xenoblade, but back then FFXII was almost the closest we got to that since the SuperNES era (DQVIII was better but I had already beaten it by then). I didn't have any problems with the Gambit system and I enjoyed the idea of not having to remember to steal from enemies when I fight them (except for the fights where you need to steal multiple times for good, one chance at them items) or having to keep an eye on my HP to know when to pop a potion (or to at least query up a potion that'll never be used as I'm cheaply stunlocked to death due to an exploit in the game's ATB (that FFX-2 also abused)). Plus I enjoyed what plot and characters were there (except for the parts and people that were either lifted straight out of Star Wars or the parts that existed solely to adhere to the Final Fantasy Formula).

Balthier is boss. One of my favorite characters from any Final Fantasy. Heck, Basch was pretty sweet too. I'd reckon that was one of my favorite casts of the series. I would totally love an HD FF XII.

I loved the whole FFXII cast, I just hated that they got barely any meaningful development outside of a tiny bit for Basch, Ashe, and Balthier. I also asked SQEX on Twitter the other day for an HD FFXIIIZJS. That would be awesome.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on February 07, 2013, 10:07:33 AM
What I'm reading is: "Our games are totally better than those old relics, you just can't see it through all those rose tinted glasses you're all wearing. Also Nomura is totally a cool dude, stop hatin' on him guys!"

What I read is: "Stop being a dick about modern FF titles. We got the message."

Hey now, I totally enjoyed FFXII (barring its flaws) back when it came out. Granted, if I wanted to play a JRPG that features wide open environments and encourages exploration today I'll play Xenoblade, but back then FFXII was almost the closest we got to that since the SuperNES era (DQVIII was better but I had already beaten it by then). I didn't have any problems with the Gambit system and I enjoyed the idea of not having to remember to steal from enemies when I fight them (except for the fights where you need to steal multiple times for good, one chance at them items) or having to keep an eye on my HP to know when to pop a potion (or to at least query up a potion that'll never be used as I'm cheaply stunlocked to death due to an exploit in the game's ATB (that FFX-2 also abused)). Plus I enjoyed what plot and characters were there (except for the parts and people that were either lifted straight out of Star Wars or the parts that existed solely to adhere to the Final Fantasy Formula).

Balthier is boss. One of my favorite characters from any Final Fantasy. Heck, Basch was pretty sweet too. I'd reckon that was one of my favorite casts of the series. I would totally love an HD FF XII.

I loved the whole FFXII cast, I just hated that they got barely any meaningful development outside of a tiny bit for Basch, Ashe, and Balthier. I also asked SQEX on Twitter the other day for an HD FFXIIIZJS. That would be awesome.

I didn't know that FFXIII got an Zodiac Job System update as well?

As for cast, my only real beef is with Penelo who's entire role within the plot is to be Vaan's requisite childhood girl next door friend and kidnapped for that one time. Not that I would've preferred her to make a nuisance of herself like most JRPG childhood girl next door friends, but at least it would've been more than just 'being there'.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Taelus on February 07, 2013, 10:18:45 AM
What I'm reading is: "Our games are totally better than those old relics, you just can't see it through all those rose tinted glasses you're all wearing. Also Nomura is totally a cool dude, stop hatin' on him guys!"

What I read is: "Stop being a dick about modern FF titles. We got the message."

Hey now, I totally enjoyed FFXII (barring its flaws) back when it came out. Granted, if I wanted to play a JRPG that features wide open environments and encourages exploration today I'll play Xenoblade, but back then FFXII was almost the closest we got to that since the SuperNES era (DQVIII was better but I had already beaten it by then). I didn't have any problems with the Gambit system and I enjoyed the idea of not having to remember to steal from enemies when I fight them (except for the fights where you need to steal multiple times for good, one chance at them items) or having to keep an eye on my HP to know when to pop a potion (or to at least query up a potion that'll never be used as I'm cheaply stunlocked to death due to an exploit in the game's ATB (that FFX-2 also abused)). Plus I enjoyed what plot and characters were there (except for the parts and people that were either lifted straight out of Star Wars or the parts that existed solely to adhere to the Final Fantasy Formula).

Balthier is boss. One of my favorite characters from any Final Fantasy. Heck, Basch was pretty sweet too. I'd reckon that was one of my favorite casts of the series. I would totally love an HD FF XII.

I loved the whole FFXII cast, I just hated that they got barely any meaningful development outside of a tiny bit for Basch, Ashe, and Balthier. I also asked SQEX on Twitter the other day for an HD FFXIIIZJS. That would be awesome.

I didn't know that FFXIII got an Zodiac Job System update as well?

As for cast, my only real beef is with Penelo who's entire role within the plot is to be Vaan's requisite childhood girl next door friend and kidnapped for that one time. Not that I would've preferred her to make a nuisance of herself like most JRPG childhood girl next door friends, but at least it would've been more than just 'being there'.

That last I in the name is International :). And yeah, I get the feeling Penelo may have had more purpose (though who knows, given how badly that c ast was treated) but it was cut. If I recall, that game had a rather tumultuous path to release.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: PotRoast on February 07, 2013, 11:58:47 AM
If I made a list of my favorite FF heroes and heroines, I think both lists would consist entirely of characters from FFVI and FFXII (and I've played all the games in the numbered series, minus XI).

As for the 25th Anniversary PSN sale, I am considering getting V and VI. I recall hearing that VI is a port of the PSX version of the game, which I heard was terrible. I already own the SNES cart, so that purchase would be fluff. I haven't heard anything about the port of V and whether or not it is decent or not. I sort of feel like I should buy it out of principal, since I played it on that which shall not be named over a decade ago. Not to mention I've never beaten it, and I've beaten just about all the other numbered FFs.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on February 07, 2013, 01:14:22 PM
If I made a list of my favorite FF heroes and heroines, I think both lists would consist entirely of characters from FFVI and FFXII (and I've played all the games in the numbered series, minus XI).

As for the 25th Anniversary PSN sale, I am considering getting V and VI. I recall hearing that VI is a port of the PSX version of the game, which I heard was terrible. I already own the SNES cart, so that purchase would be fluff. I haven't heard anything about the port of V and whether or not it is decent or not. I sort of feel like I should buy it out of principal, since I played it on that which shall not be named over a decade ago. Not to mention I've never beaten it, and I've beaten just about all the other numbered FFs.

Both are based upon their respective PSX ports. The problem with the PSX port of FFV was that Sony/Squaresoft used the scrapped SuperNES localization instead of actually trying to localize it properly. This means that the game has a poorly edited and quite frankly terrible translation on top of the usual issues that plagued the PSX FF ports (in this case, long load times, since the other issues were mostly unnoticeable due to never getting the Super Famicom version to compare it to). In this case however, if you can't find/don't already have/aren't going to bother hunting down the GBA port then this version is definitely there.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: PotRoast on February 07, 2013, 11:14:39 PM
I didn't know there was a GBA port. My DS plays GBA games, I think I'll try that. Thanks.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Mickeymac92 on February 08, 2013, 09:16:57 AM
I've seen FF5A in a lot of shops around here, I'm guessing it isn't hard to find at a fair price, unlike FF6A, which is impossible to find for a good price (and there are quite a few fakes out there, too). Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 18, 2013, 04:03:10 AM
FINAL FANTASY X HD:

Famitsu screens (http://www.famitsu.com/news/201302/18028932.html) / Gematsu news and video (http://gematsu.com/2013/02/final-fantasy-x-hd-update-coming-soon)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Kevadu on February 18, 2013, 04:22:06 AM
Man, I was going to watch that Vita announcement thing but I totally did my timezone conversion wrong...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Taelus on February 18, 2013, 10:20:52 AM
Wow, sweet! Not much, but at least it's still in development. Digging the updated character models. FFX is a game that would be welcome on my Vita, goofball cast and all.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Blace on February 18, 2013, 12:33:30 PM
I've been waiting on this forever, seeing as it is my favorite game and all, so I'll buy this 10x over haha. That's honestly not much new, but any news is better than no news.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 28, 2013, 02:38:37 AM
Rumor: Final Fantasy X HD to include FFX-2, release in June (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/02/rumor-final-fantasy-x-hd-to-include-ffx-2-release-in-june/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Kevadu on February 28, 2013, 02:47:19 AM
Rumor: Final Fantasy X HD to include FFX-2, release in June (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/02/rumor-final-fantasy-x-hd-to-include-ffx-2-release-in-june/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

Haha, yeah I don't buy it.  Their 'source' is an anonymous 2ch post.  Also, novacrystallis.com claimed that FF-Reunion had the details, but I went and looked at that site and there were no details of any kind.  Everything in that novacrystallis.com post came from the 2ch post.

Oh, I've got another tip!  Trails in the Sky SC is coming out in English this summer!  Source: Dice (http://xseedgames.com/forums/showthread.php?3553-LoH-SC-Confirmed-for-Summer-2013).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 28, 2013, 02:53:04 AM
Nowadays is hard to believe any info regarding SQEX and their RPGs.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on February 28, 2013, 03:07:41 AM
I'm pretty sure we're getting XIII-3, XIVmk2, and the next iOS/Browser warez, but beyond that is a total mystery.

Let alone, what they're doing with DQX and the DQVII remake.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 28, 2013, 03:30:12 AM
Maybe Nintendo takes care of getting those DQ games outside of Japan?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Taelus on February 28, 2013, 10:32:37 PM
That's not a bad assumption, though I have no basis for saying this.

I really want Square Enix to make an explosive comeback this year and totally bring everyone back into the fold with a glorious return to RPG glory.


....
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on February 28, 2013, 10:43:11 PM
I kinda wanna go to the Squeenix head in Amurica and do this to him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_VO2mdOpUBo#t=10s).

Like the elipses in your post, I think that's nuff said.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 28, 2013, 11:32:22 PM
I really want Square Enix to make an explosive comeback this year and totally bring everyone back into the fold with a glorious return to RPG glory.

"Please be excited for E3 this year!"

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/988a7118892c20577261b5d759ac5f52/tumblr_milq16NwQg1rbfevao1_250.gif)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on March 01, 2013, 01:47:32 AM
I really want Square Enix to make an explosive comeback this year and totally bring everyone back into the fold with a glorious return to RPG glory.

"Please be excited for E3 this year!"

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/988a7118892c20577261b5d759ac5f52/tumblr_milq16NwQg1rbfevao1_250.gif)

Their E3 announcement will consist entirely of "Come see us at the TGS!" (and maybe a new Tomb Raider game expansion pack DLC).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Taelus on March 01, 2013, 02:13:34 AM
I really want Square Enix to make an explosive comeback this year and totally bring everyone back into the fold with a glorious return to RPG glory.

"Please be excited for E3 this year!"

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/988a7118892c20577261b5d759ac5f52/tumblr_milq16NwQg1rbfevao1_250.gif)

Their E3 announcement will consist entirely of "Come see us at the TGS!" (and maybe a new Tomb Raider game expansion pack DLC iOS microtransaction-based game).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on March 01, 2013, 04:23:31 PM
I really want Square Enix to make an explosive comeback this year and totally bring everyone back into the fold with a glorious return to RPG glory.

"Please be excited for E3 this year!"

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/988a7118892c20577261b5d759ac5f52/tumblr_milq16NwQg1rbfevao1_250.gif)

Their E3 announcement will consist entirely of "Come see us at the TGS!" (and maybe a new Tomb Raider game expansion pack DLC iOS microtransaction-based game).

Whoa man. We're taking about Tomb Raider here, not some mediocre JRPG.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 19, 2013, 01:22:16 PM
Rumor: Final Fantasy X HD includes X-2 on PS3 [Update: Confirmed] (http://gematsu.com/2013/03/rumor-final-fantasy-x-hd-includes-x-2-on-playstation-3) -- Source: Gematsu

"The PlayStation 3 version of Final Fantasy X HD will include both Final Fantasy X and X-2 on a single disc, according to a 2ch rumor* picked up by FF-Reunion.

On PS Vita, each title will apparently be sold separately.

Each game will also include its respective International edition content, according to the rumor. A release is planned for 2013."

* The information supposedly comes from next week's issue of Jump. According to FF-Reunion, the poster has a proven track record with these types of leaks.

Update: Scans from Jump have confirmed the rumor.


(http://i49.tinypic.com/30c7vkh.png)

Final Fantasy X HD on PS3 will include Final Fantasy X-2 (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/19/final-fantasy-x-hd-on-ps3-will-include-final-fantasy-x-2/) -- Source: Siliconera

"Final Fantasy X HD on the PlayStation will include a second game as part of the package—its direct sequel Final Fantasy X-2. The news comes via a report in Jump magazine. Both games will be based on their International Edition releases.

On the PlayStation Vita, both titles will have to be purchased separately. The two games are slated for release sometime this year. A price has not been announced either for the PS3 or Vita versions yet."
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on March 19, 2013, 01:23:25 PM
Final Fantasy X-HD to Include FFX-2 (but only on PS3, Vita is a separate sell... hopefully they price accordingly to compensate for that).  Yay!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 19, 2013, 01:29:11 PM
Final Fantasy X-HD to Include FFX-2 (but only on PS3, Vita is a separate sell... hopefully they price accordingly to compensate for that).  Yay!

$60.

#dealtwithit
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Kevadu on March 19, 2013, 01:30:19 PM
Probably couldn't fit both games on a single Vita memory card, but it does seem like kind of a bum deal...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on March 19, 2013, 01:37:17 PM
Probably couldn't fit both games on a single Vita memory card, but it does seem like kind of a bum deal...

That's what I'm thinking.  *shrug*
But hey, it's a nice perk for waiting I guess. :)

All I need know is to know if we're getting the International Ed. with the Dark Aeons. :D
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 19, 2013, 01:59:13 PM
Who's ready to get the trophy for dodging 200 lightning bolts in the Thunder Plains and go all frustrated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFGfWrJR5Ck) over it?

They have to put that in the game, it would be kinda weird if they don't.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Blace on March 19, 2013, 02:03:16 PM
Final Fantasy X-HD to Include FFX-2 (but only on PS3, Vita is a separate sell... hopefully they price accordingly to compensate for that).  Yay!

$60.

#dealtwithit

I'll take 5, even at 60 bucks haha. Seriously though, I am stoked about this. Was hoping I could replay BOTH games in glorious HD. Love that we are getting those side quests too. I didn't realize when I tried them originally that they weren't on our versions of the game and was pissed.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on March 19, 2013, 02:09:58 PM
Who's ready to get the trophy for dodging 200 lightning bolts in the Thunder Plains and go all frustrated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFGfWrJR5Ck) over it?

They have to put that in the game, it would be kinda weird if they don't.

good video x)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Akanbe- on March 19, 2013, 03:50:58 PM
Probably couldn't fit both games on a single Vita memory card, but it does seem like kind of a bum deal...

That's what I'm thinking.  *shrug*
But hey, it's a nice perk for waiting I guess. :)

All I need know is to know if we're getting the International Ed. with the Dark Aeons. :D

"Both games will be based on their International Edition releases."
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on March 19, 2013, 04:11:37 PM
Probably couldn't fit both games on a single Vita memory card, but it does seem like kind of a bum deal...

That's what I'm thinking.  *shrug*
But hey, it's a nice perk for waiting I guess. :)

All I need know is to know if we're getting the International Ed. with the Dark Aeons. :D

"Both games will be based on their International Edition releases."

Thanks Akanbe!  Haven't had time to do the detailed readings for the articles.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on March 19, 2013, 05:33:05 PM
Now if only the game had a chance at being released outside of Japan.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Zendervai on March 19, 2013, 05:55:57 PM
The International version of X already has a complete English version (Europe) and X-2 wouldn't require that much extra voice acting or translating.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Kevadu on March 19, 2013, 06:08:10 PM
Now if only the game had a chance at being released outside of Japan.

Um, what?  I would be shocked if it wasn't released outside of Japan.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Annubis on March 19, 2013, 06:44:36 PM
Are they redoing the voice acting at all? I don't think so.
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Post by: Zendervai on March 19, 2013, 07:14:51 PM
The only new dialogue they'd have to record would be Last Mission in X-2 and I think they could get away without out doing that. It's not like there would be a huge amount of effort required in bringing it over. Hell, they're bringing over Kingdom Hearts 1.5 and that has the Final Mix version of 1.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 19, 2013, 07:37:38 PM
Just for reference this is the content of FFX and X-2 International that SQEX released in Japan back then:

FINAL FANTASY X INTERNATIONAL [with Bonus DVD] / Release Date: Jan 31, 2002

(http://i47.tinypic.com/28jzjn8.png)

This version of FFX supports a fully English mode, new boss game as well as new abilites and summon battles.

This is the hard to get Japanese version including the Bonus DVD.

'Other Side of the Final Fantasy 2' Bonus DVD content:

1. FFX Another Story: Additional conversation mainly between Yuna, Wakka & Rikku placed between the storyline of Final Fantasy X & Final Fantasy X-2 The conversations are in Japanese only.

2. Promotion Movies: Showing 3 Japanese TV commercials as well as 1 promotion video.

3. FFX Theme Song: The official Japanese theme song by RIKKI. Featured in 5.1 (or Stereo).

4. The Actors - Japan: (Japanese) interview with the Japanese voices and actors behind Tidus, Yuna, Wakka, Lulu, Kimahri, Auron, Rikku & Seymour.

5. The Actors - USA: (English) interview with the American voices behind Tidus & Yuna.

6. Square Preview: 5 Preview videos of upcoming Squaresoft products, incl. Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy XI & more.


Source: Play-Asia (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-43-49-en-70-4hl.html)

FINAL FANTASY X-2 INTERNATIONAL + LAST MISSION / Release Date: Feb 19, 2004

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2khoc5.png)

"Final Fantasy X-2 International + Last Mission is based on the US release of Final Fantasy X-2, with extra missions in the Yadonoki Tower, and bonus movie scenes not found in the original Japanese version.

Additionally the game has a new Monster Arena, in which you can battle with all the monsters and enemies from the game. You can battle against characters from Final Fantasy X, including Auron, Tidus, Seymour; as well as a new boss Emerald.

Final Fantasy X-2 International + Last Mission also includes a Final Fantasy VII Advent Children Trailer."


Source: Play-Asia (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-43-49-en-70-2qd.html)

Square Enix also released Final Fantasy X / X-2 Ultimate Box (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-43-49-en-70-r1m.html) in Sep 07, 2005. That collection though has only the standard versions of both games with the "FFX Another Story" bonus DVD.
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Post by: Aeolus on March 19, 2013, 08:25:58 PM
Now if only the game had a chance at being released outside of Japan.

Um, what?  I would be shocked if it wasn't released outside of Japan.

Given A)Squeenix's recent track record for localizations, B)Squeenix's overall track record for localizing International editions outside of Japan, C)Japan's batshit economy practically requiring entertainment media released in Japan to have extra content over worldwide releases to discourage reverse importation (to justify the otherwise exorbitant prices video games and other media goes for over there), and D)Sony's recent track record of shooting down localization attempts, I don't personally believe the chances bode well.

Though I will concede the fact that my initial choice of words was poor and should've stated "Now if only the game will actually be released outside of Japan." instead of stating that there was no chance.
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Post by: Kevadu on March 19, 2013, 08:47:30 PM
Given A)Squeenix's recent track record for localizations, B)Squeenix's overall track record for localizing International editions outside of Japan, C)Japan's batshit economy practically requiring entertainment media released in Japan to have extra content over worldwide releases to discourage reverse importation (to justify the otherwise exorbitant prices video games and other media goes for over there), and D)Sony's recent track record of shooting down localization attempts, I don't personally believe the chances bode well.

Though I will concede the fact that my initial choice of words was poor and should've stated "Now if only the game will actually be released outside of Japan." instead of stating that there was no chance.

A) It's a Final Fantasy game.  A popular one at that.  FF sells like hotcakes here.  And unlike Type-0 it's not on a dead platform.

B) International editions released shortly after the initial version of the game, sure.  But this is a full-fledged remake, which they have a pretty good track record on.  You make it sound like they are conspiring specifically keep people from buying international editions...

C) Whua?  Because everyone in Japan speaks fluent English?  How is this even relevant...

D) I don't even know what you're talking about here.  What localization attempts has Sony shot down recently?

Seriously, if this game doesn't come out internationally I'll eat my hat.
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Post by: Zendervai on March 19, 2013, 08:51:34 PM
The fact that Square Enix is bringing out Kingdom Hearts 1.5 should be the biggest indicator this will come out. Kingdom Hearts 1.5 requires more effort to localize because of the 385/2 Days videos. Final Fantasy X and X-2 have like one single section that doesn't already have voice acting, and advertising it as the International versions will guarantee sales. It's a really cheap localization with a large guaranteed profit.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 19, 2013, 11:13:17 PM
Final Fantasy V coming to smartphones with enhanced 2D graphics (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/03/final-fantasy-v-coming-to-smartphones-with-enhanced-2d-graphics/) -- Source(s): Nova Crystallis (via: FF-Reunion (http://www.ff-reunion.net/ff/2013/03/20/ff5_ios_release_date_march_28th))

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Post by: Kevadu on March 19, 2013, 11:58:48 PM
As long as they don't find some way to add ridiculous microtransactions I'm cool with that.

That's a big if, though.
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Post by: Aeolus on March 20, 2013, 09:52:26 AM
http://gematsu.com/2013/03/final-fantasy-x-x-2-hd-full-scan-surfaces

Tidus looking less like Meg Ryan circa 2000 confirmed.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 20, 2013, 01:47:35 PM
Lulu's belts in HD man. :3
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Post by: Dice on March 20, 2013, 02:10:48 PM
Wow, that's pretty cool that they managed to man-up and De-Meg-Ryan him.

...I wonder if Lulu will actually look pregnant in X-2.  Otherwise, babies can apparently start kicking a week into pregnancy haha.

About time stuff is surfacing on this too.
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Post by: Aeolus on March 21, 2013, 01:09:15 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/20/final-fantasy-v-gets-dimensions-style-make-over-for-ios-and-android/

Comparison shots time. I know that anything can be considered an improvement over the original's sprites but using retextured Romancing SaGa sprites is still pretty goddamn lazy. Especially since you resized the viewing field and slimmed down the tiles to leave those massive open areas on the sides of the screen.

Also, way to make Faris look like a complete chick now instead of some kind of person with long pink hair. Now nobody's going to be surprised an hour into the game when Faris's paper thin disguise falls apart.
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Post by: Dice on March 21, 2013, 01:17:13 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/20/final-fantasy-v-gets-dimensions-style-make-over-for-ios-and-android/

Comparison shots time. I know that anything can be considered an improvement over the original's sprites but using retextured Romancing SaGa sprites is still pretty goddamn lazy. Especially since you resized the viewing field and slimmed down the tiles to leave those massive open areas on the sides of the screen.

Also, way to make Faris look like a complete chick now instead of some kind of person with long pink hair. Now nobody's going to be surprised an hour into the game when Faris's paper thin disguise falls apart.

Maybe Japanese character designs are able to make people question his/her gender, but being raised North American: long hair = girl.  So... =/

I hate how plastic-y the new graphics look.  It's cool that it's like an "HD" version of a 16-bit game, but I don't dig it than say a real take at it (I thought FF4 DS's graphics were great and a better take to putting in the effort for a remake).
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Post by: Kevadu on March 21, 2013, 01:40:11 AM
Is it just my imagination, or does Bartz have cleavage in his character portrait?

And he's supposed to be a guy...
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Post by: Hathen on March 21, 2013, 01:46:38 AM
Those are his amazing, sweet lady-killing pecs (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120716064825/finalfantasy/images/0/06/FFV-amano_butz.jpg). I've more partial to the way Amano draws monsters, armor and clothing, but I think his ability to draw humans is mostly miss.

Also, yeah, those sprites look awful. It's probably the stiff arms. Making them somewhat proportional is cool, but those arms make them look very lifeless.

EDIT: The more I look at that pic, the more awful it looks. LOOK AT HIS FUCKING NECK JESUS CHRIST WHY IS IT AN HOURGLASS SHAPE AND TEN INCHES LONG and then his head is put on lopsided so he can awkwardly look at the person viewing the picture because Amano is horrible at drawing profiles. Then apparently Bartz has a tentacle for a left hand that extends off the drawing.
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Post by: Zendervai on March 22, 2013, 10:18:45 AM
Final Fantasy X/X-2 remaster confirmed for Western release.

http://gematsu.com/2013/03/final-fantasy-x-x-2-hd-remaster-headed-westward-this-year

It apparently has a price point of 40$.
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Post by: Dice on March 22, 2013, 10:22:33 AM
Final Fantasy X/X-2 remaster confirmed for Western release.

http://gematsu.com/2013/03/final-fantasy-x-x-2-hd-remaster-headed-westward-this-year

It apparently has a price point of 40$.

Ouch.  If it's priced at $40, I wonder what the PSV ones wil be.
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Post by: Lard on March 22, 2013, 10:58:44 AM
Final Fantasy X/X-2 remaster confirmed for Western release.

http://gematsu.com/2013/03/final-fantasy-x-x-2-hd-remaster-headed-westward-this-year

It apparently has a price point of 40$.

That's average for the HD versions.

I might pick this up seeing as I've never played X-2. Might be interesting to play them back to back.
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Post by: Dice on March 22, 2013, 11:20:55 AM
So I thought this would be fun to share.
Dunno how many HAVE seen it already.

This is the Japanese "laughing scene".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mAgVjH9V9Ps#t=464s
...it's like he's screaming in small doses.

EDIT: Screen Comparison (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/14641).  THis is actually pretty impressive.  Wakka's outfit change quite nicely.
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Post by: Annubis on March 22, 2013, 12:30:00 PM
I think that scene is bad no matter what language it's in.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 22, 2013, 12:58:25 PM
$40 was the expected price.

Dunno if I'll get this though, I'm way more interested in Lightning Returns if only because I'm already so invested in that series.

I think that scene is bad no matter what language it's in.

The Japanese one is worse because Tidus is "laughing" like a crow there.

Maybe the idea behind the scene was decent but they recorded the damn thing and now we have generations of fans still talking about it after all these years. It was good publicity for the game in the end, so that's something I guess.

I do wonder if there's any info about that scene in a Ultimania book.
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Post by: PotRoast on March 22, 2013, 01:22:30 PM
I am the only person that the laughing scene didn't bother a single bit? It made perfect sense given its context. In fact, it making you uncomfortable because it sounds so forced and awkward also makes perfect sense given its context. Without the internet telling me the scene is an abomination, I don't think I would have ever given it a second thought.
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Post by: Embryon on March 22, 2013, 01:38:52 PM
That screenshot comparison has me salivating. I cannot WAIT for this.
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Post by: Dice on March 22, 2013, 01:51:15 PM
Rikku is lookin' at Yuna's butt (in HD!).
(http://i.imgur.com/GkKtlee.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/otq3N0v.jpg)
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Post by: Kevadu on March 22, 2013, 01:55:54 PM
Looks like I don't need to eat my hat!  That game sooner than I expected, honestly.

I am the only person that the laughing scene didn't bother a single bit? It made perfect sense given its context. In fact, it making you uncomfortable because it sounds so forced and awkward also makes perfect sense given its context. Without the internet telling me the scene is an abomination, I don't think I would have ever given it a second thought.

I actually agree.  I didn't think twice about the scene back when I actually played the game.  I mean, it's supposed to be awkward.  Of course when you take it out of context it looks pretty awful...
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Post by: Taelus on March 22, 2013, 02:37:40 PM
Same. It's hilarious out of context, but it's supposed to be goofy and awkward. Or terrifying, if it's the JP version. JAT gets an unnecessary amount of hate for that scene.

Also, I'll definitely pick up the Vita versions of this. I have relatively little interest in being tied to my TV with a JRPG like FFX these days, but on the Vita it would be absolutely perfect.

EDIT

Wait a minute. Those screenshot comparisons aren't between the PS2 and HD versions. They're between an emulator and the HD version, and in that regard, the HD version fails hard. What?

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/14641

Is that maybe an error in identifying which is which? Because the one that is supposedly an emulator is running in widescreen and stuff. It must be an error.
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Post by: Zendervai on March 22, 2013, 03:00:29 PM
They're mislabeled. The one labelled emulator has much better textures and the details look different which wouldn't happen with an HD emulated version of the original.
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Post by: Taelus on March 22, 2013, 03:01:43 PM
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. WHEW. In that case, great work, Square Enix. Looks like they didn't just twiddle their thumbs in the interim.
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Post by: Ashton on March 22, 2013, 03:08:46 PM
Well I'll definitely be getting FFX in any case. Not so sure about FFX-2 though, it basically ruins FFX's story.
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Post by: Dice on March 22, 2013, 03:10:21 PM
Well I'll definitely be getting FFX in any case. Not so sure about FFX-2 though, it basically ruins FFX's story.

B-b-b-bb--b-b-b-b-b-b-bbutt bathing suits!!!!!!
And decent job class system.
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Post by: Ashton on March 22, 2013, 03:11:45 PM
Hey, I'll have you know that I'm not so easily swayed by girls in bikin--ohh bouncy.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 22, 2013, 03:16:35 PM
Not so sure about FFX-2 though, it basically ruins FFX's story.

Can you explain in how many ways X-2 is horrible? Because I really enjoyed my time with it (more so than X).
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Post by: Dice on March 22, 2013, 03:19:15 PM
Not so sure about FFX-2 though, it basically ruins FFX's story.

Can you explain in how many ways X-2 is horrible? Because I really enjoyed my time with it (more so than X).

Battle: X-2 > X
"Plot": X > X-2
Music: X >>>> X-2
Characters: Any other game.
Controls: I've never understood how this is graded.
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Post by: Ashton on March 22, 2013, 03:21:34 PM
Not so sure about FFX-2 though, it basically ruins FFX's story.

Can you explain in how many ways X-2 is horrible? Because I really enjoyed my time with it (more so than X).
I wouldn't say that it is horrible, per se, but it does fuck up FFX's thematic elements. I thought story was one if FFX's biggest advantages and X-2 kind of messes that up retroactively due to everyone wanting a happy ending.
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Post by: Taelus on March 22, 2013, 03:24:55 PM
Not so sure about FFX-2 though, it basically ruins FFX's story.

Can you explain in how many ways X-2 is horrible? Because I really enjoyed my time with it (more so than X).
I wouldn't say that it is horrible, per se, but it does fuck up FFX's thematic elements. I thought story was one if FFX's biggest advantages and X-2 kind of messes that up retroactively due to everyone wanting a happy ending.

I agree with Ashton 100%. The finale of X was one of the ballsiest and most genuine in the series, and X-2 was like
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'hur derp nope fayth magic'
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Post by: Dice on March 22, 2013, 03:41:57 PM
Not so sure about FFX-2 though, it basically ruins FFX's story.

Can you explain in how many ways X-2 is horrible? Because I really enjoyed my time with it (more so than X).
I wouldn't say that it is horrible, per se, but it does fuck up FFX's thematic elements. I thought story was one if FFX's biggest advantages and X-2 kind of messes that up retroactively due to everyone wanting a happy ending.

I agree with Ashton 100%. The finale of X was one of the ballsiest and most genuine in the series, and X-2 was like
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'hur derp nope fayth magic'

If it helps, it takes the 100% to get him back in X-2 which is almost impossible without a guide.  And if you manage to achieve the 100% blind, you deserve a super duper nonsense ending.

I kinda would have preferred if Yuna "moved on".  Tidus was a giant wank anyways.
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Post by: Ashton on March 22, 2013, 03:48:42 PM
Then you misunderstood the entire game. :P

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The point of FFX was character growth. While Tidus starts off as a whiny little bitch who wants everything to go his way and handed to him on a silver platter, he eventually becomes a passionate man who isn't scared of causing his own non existence to end a worldwide threat. You see the same with Jecht's memory spheres in the game. The game is all about self sacrifice and rising above one's own petty beliefs and desires for the greater good. He doesn't get rewarded at the end of the game, he doesn't get to live on and see what he accomplished, he is forever doomed to be just a memory, remembered by only a handful of people - and he's okay with that.
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X-2 on the other hand, just says fuck all that, he should be brought back for a happy reunion ending. What a disappointment,
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Post by: Dice on March 22, 2013, 03:51:00 PM
His overalls and crop cut hoodie still makes him a wank.
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Post by: Ashton on March 22, 2013, 03:52:12 PM
He does have terrible fashion sense.
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Post by: Agent D. on March 22, 2013, 04:15:19 PM
Now they're doing the same thing with XIII.

Let's give XIII a good ending, show some character sacrifice, and save the world with faith in the human (?) race.
Now let's have XIII-2 fuck it all up, show why we shouldn't believe in ourselves, and prove that change does nothing...oh and kill the character we saved back in the first one.
Fuck, bad move. Let's do another attempt with XIII-3. What's the worst that can happen, people don't like it? They'll buy it anyways.
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Post by: Ashton on March 22, 2013, 04:16:14 PM
The difference is XIII's story was terrible to begin with, so nothing of value was lost.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 22, 2013, 04:31:21 PM
^Ugh. Let's not do this crap again guys... I've had enough of that "discussion" already.

@Ashton: So is kinda like the same thing that happened with Persona 3 and 'The Answer' chapter. Only that Atlus didn't "betray" the fans of the original game by ruining (or something along those lines) the overall point of the story.
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Post by: Ashton on March 22, 2013, 04:34:00 PM
Well as I recall X-2 happened because fans were A) annoyed that X didn't end with a happy ending and B) XI was a MMO so there was no single player FF on the horizon at the time.

The difference between X and Persona 3 is that The Answer elaborated on the ending of P3 by explaining in detail what happened and why instead of leaving it ambiguous. X explained everything within its own self-contained story and then backpedaled when they decided to release X-2 by saying "oh yeah, there's a small loophole we didn't mention in the last game even though it makes no logical sense."
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Post by: Agent D. on March 22, 2013, 04:57:28 PM
But there's no discussion about it, Ashton's right the story was terrible. Doesn't stop what I said being accurate. At least XIII-2 had good gameplay and music, and more not terrible story. Caius was still the best not badguy villian in the series too. Story still sucked....seriously, I think X-2 and XIII-2 were made from the same basic thought process...odd.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 22, 2013, 05:26:03 PM
All right... *sigh*

Ashton's right the story was terrible.

The way it was narrated was the problem. I've enjoyed the story but I wouldn't exactly say that I like it if that make any sense.

At least XIII-2 had good gameplay and music, and more not terrible story. Caius was still the best not badguy villian in the series too. Story still sucked....

The story in XIII-2 was much better and I never had any problem following it. Then again, I don't have this deep hatred for the XIII series so whatever...

seriously, I think X-2 and XIII-2 were made from the same basic thought process...odd.

Through the development of FFXIII there was always the intention to continue the story and making it a series.

Well as I recall X-2 happened because fans were A) annoyed that X didn't end with a happy ending and B) XI was a MMO so there was no single player FF on the horizon at the time.

The difference between X and Persona 3 is that The Answer elaborated on the ending of P3 by explaining in detail what happened and why instead of leaving it ambiguous. X explained everything within its own self-contained story and then backpedaled when they decided to release X-2 by saying "oh yeah, there's a small loophole we didn't mention in the last game even though it makes no logical sense."

Hm. That sounds troublesome, I might have to play both games again to come with my own conclusion.

But like I've said I have no idea right now if I'll be getting this or not.
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Post by: Ashton on March 22, 2013, 06:19:05 PM
Through the development of FFXIII there was always the intention to continue the story and making it a series.
Actually, as I recall they wanted to make a franchise out of it with Agito XIII, Versus XIII, and XIII proper. XIII-2 didn't come into the equation until well after XIII's release, and they knew they couldn't get Agito and Versus out in time.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 22, 2013, 07:00:13 PM
^Agito XIII (now known as Type-0) and Versus XIII were never related to XIII directly outside of using the Fabula Nova Crystallis mythos as a base for the storyline of each game.
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Post by: Ashton on March 22, 2013, 07:03:21 PM
Exactly. XIII was meant to be a self contained story with a shared universe that included Agito XIII and Versus XIII that would make references, but have no direct link, to XIII (and we know how THAT went...).

XIII-2, which was announced in January 2011 (though to their credit started development in April 2010) and released eleven months later, was never part of the original plan.
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Post by: Embryon on March 22, 2013, 07:03:28 PM
You know what Final Fantasy X, X-2, XIII, and XIII-2 all have in common?

I like all of them!

Seriously, though, while I agree that X-2's "secret ending" retroactively mitigated the impact of X's ending (and the same goes for XIII and XIII-2), I enjoyed playing all four games. I'm really excited to jump into X and X-2 again.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 22, 2013, 07:21:54 PM
Is the "secret ending" in X-2 the true ending? Or is every ending in the game treated as that it depends on the player to choose what he/she likes the best?

Exactly. XIII was meant to be a self contained story with a shared universe that included Agito XIII and Versus XIII that would make references, but have no direct link, to XIII (and we know how THAT went...).

XIII-2, which was announced in January 2011 and released eleven months later, was never part of the original plan.

Yeah but those references were just based on the mythos. Type-0 and Versus take places in their own universe as far as I know, not in the one of XIII. That whole thing might have changed over the years but they always have this intention of making Fabula Nova a big series of games that are not necessarily connected to each other.

XIII-2 happened because there was still material for that story to keep going. I still don't know if some of the retcons were intentional or not though...
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Post by: Ashton on March 22, 2013, 07:38:09 PM
The secret ending to X-2 is the canon ending.

And yeah, the Fabula Nova whatever series was supposed to be a connected mythos/universe, but XIII-2 was never a planne dpart of that until after XIII was released.
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Post by: Kevadu on March 22, 2013, 07:56:06 PM
What are you guys arguing about?  You keep going "yeah, but" and then agreeing with each other ;)
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Post by: Agent D. on March 22, 2013, 07:57:26 PM
Long story short, if you put the Final Fantasy logo on it, people will buy it...no matter how stupid it gets.

That being said, I'd play through X-2 again, the gameplay was great.
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Post by: Ashton on March 22, 2013, 07:59:52 PM
Yeah, the game was enjoyable, I just hated the story.
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Post by: Alisha on March 23, 2013, 01:35:00 AM
funny i thought the gameplay of X-2 was a horrible step backwards.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 23, 2013, 03:24:03 AM
Long story short, if you put the Final Fantasy logo on it, people will buy it...no matter how stupid it gets.

Eh. You can say that is stupid the amount of time sometimes they take with their games. Versus has been using Valve Time for a while now.
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Post by: Agent D. on March 23, 2013, 04:26:40 AM
funny i thought the gameplay of X-2 was a horrible step backwards.
In what way was X-2 less then infinitely more interesting gameplay wise than X? X had some strategy, but it was controlled, no sort of threat while you considered how to approach a fight. X-2 not only kept you thinking, but also gave you options to prevent (or in most cases delay) enemies attacks and commands. Compared to X, X-2s level of gameplay was like nes to n64.
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Post by: Aeolus on March 23, 2013, 05:06:45 AM
Honestly, I'm still not going to bother unless its confirmed that I won't have to keep shuffling my party around in FFX like a never-ending game of musical chairs.

I mean its nice that they let you do that on the fly, but I don't want to spend an additional 5 minutes on every battle switching between the benched party members so that they can get a share of Exp.
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Post by: Alisha on March 23, 2013, 05:55:23 AM
funny i thought the gameplay of X-2 was a horrible step backwards.
In what way was X-2 less then infinitely more interesting gameplay wise than X? X had some strategy, but it was controlled, no sort of threat while you considered how to approach a fight. X-2 not only kept you thinking, but also gave you options to prevent (or in most cases delay) enemies attacks and commands. Compared to X, X-2s level of gameplay was like nes to n64.

wtf nice attempt at trolling bro.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on March 23, 2013, 02:34:18 PM
funny i thought the gameplay of X-2 was a horrible step backwards.
In what way was X-2 less then infinitely more interesting gameplay wise than X? X had some strategy, but it was controlled, no sort of threat while you considered how to approach a fight. X-2 not only kept you thinking, but also gave you options to prevent (or in most cases delay) enemies attacks and commands. Compared to X, X-2s level of gameplay was like nes to n64.

At the risk of being part of the minority of X-2 lovers, I tend to agree with D here..... actually I completely agree with D... x-2 is the only reason I will buy the HD collection actually....

A. The gameplay (as D expressed) and....

B. While I already played through X three times and played enough blitzball to last a lifetime, my experience with x-2 was far more brief and limited.... my girlfriend years ago actually decided she was going to tackle it and sort of took that one off my hands... damn that girl could play... she trounced the title in like a week or two.... i don't think the system ever even got turned off...

On a completely different note.... despite have hundreds of posts here I'm still forum illiterate.... what does "trolling" mean?
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 23, 2013, 02:55:32 PM
what does "trolling" mean?

"Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can." -- Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling)
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on March 23, 2013, 03:34:56 PM
what does "trolling" mean?

"Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can." -- Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling)

wow.... enlightening.... i'm keeping that urban dictionary bookmarked on my iphone! thanks :)
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Post by: Kevadu on March 23, 2013, 03:38:58 PM
I don't know whether to be more surprised that you never heard of trolling, or that you never heard of Urban Dictionary, Klyde.

Though actually, 'trolling' is an old term.  It goes back to the dial-in BBS days before most people even had internet access.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on March 23, 2013, 04:04:40 PM
I don't know whether to be more surprised that you never heard of trolling, or that you never heard of Urban Dictionary, Klyde.

Though actually, 'trolling' is an old term.  It goes back to the dial-in BBS days before most people even had internet access.

i heard it.... and i knew through context clues generally what it meant... but i didn't REALLY know what officially qualified as "trolling" behavior...

and as for the urban dictionary, I only had a hard copy of an urban dictionary a  long ago from the 90's.... i suppose it wasn't that I didn't know it existed, it just was not something I was mindful of..... truly a tool of great utility for someone such as myself who doesn't listen to the radio or hasn't watched television in like 7 years (aside from anime)....
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Post by: Agent D. on March 23, 2013, 04:07:34 PM
I'm trying to figure out how Alisha could think X-2 was a step backwards in gameplay. X was a massive step back in gameplay.
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Post by: Hathen on March 23, 2013, 04:11:00 PM
Though actually, 'trolling' is an old term. 

It's also grossly misused all the time by people like Alisha who think that a dissenting opinion qualifies as trolling.
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Post by: Ashton on March 23, 2013, 04:33:59 PM
Actually, Agent D, X was a big step forward ... For turn based games. X-2 was much better for the atb.
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Post by: Embryon on March 23, 2013, 05:25:58 PM
I tried to turn this around. I really did.
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Post by: Agent D. on March 23, 2013, 09:15:02 PM
Actually, Agent D, X was a big step forward ... For turn based games. X-2 was much better for the atb.
Touche, but turn based is so ancient anyway. Why would you go back and reinvent the wheel basically, especially as few games at that point (rpg wise) were still turn based. Nowadays, even FFXII's style of play are so much more entertaining and engrossing, turn based is mindless jamming on the X button for fights.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 23, 2013, 09:23:39 PM
^SMT: Nocturne and Digital Devil Saga are pretty good though.
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Post by: Zendervai on March 23, 2013, 09:43:29 PM
Atlus is really good at tweaking turn-based systems though. I find that the ATB system can be really annoying at times when the speed ratings are really out of whack, and if it isn't completely barebones, a turn-based system can be really good.

Remember, Final Fantasy X's battle system got completely ripped off by that Lord of the Rings RPG, The Third Age. It had to be doing something right.
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Post by: Agent D. on March 23, 2013, 10:19:26 PM
Implying any of those lord of the rings games were any good though....

I mean, don't get me wrong, turn based isn't unplayable or anything, I'll play anything if it interests me. It's just we have so much more knowledge and experience now...why limit what we're doing?
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Post by: Kevadu on March 23, 2013, 11:18:21 PM
Agent D., are you seriously arguing against turn-based games on the basis that they're old?  Fuck man, RPGs are old.  Let's all play third person shooters instead, they're a much more recent innovation!

Turn-based is a style of gameplay.  There are bad turn-based games, but there are also some very good turn-based games.  I happen to love a good turn-based game and would be really sad if they went away...
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Post by: Dice on March 23, 2013, 11:49:47 PM
90% of the time, traditional ATB bores the hell out of me too unless it can add some distinctive adjunct to make it better (Radiant Historia's turn swapping, FFX's instant non-turn-wasting-character-tap-outs, Trails in the Sky's minor-SRPG element, Baten Kaitos' ????? system)
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Post by: Starmongoose on March 23, 2013, 11:50:52 PM
I'm the kinda guy who puts ATB on "Wait". I dislike being rushed.
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Post by: Dice on March 24, 2013, 12:14:25 AM
I'm the kinda guy who puts ATB on "Wait". I dislike being rushed.

samesies
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 24, 2013, 12:24:49 AM
I remembered the whole deal of XV possibly being an action RPG (http://www.edge-online.com/news/final-fantasy-xv-could-be-action-rpg/) with all this talk.

Let's all play third person shooters instead, they're a much more recent innovation!

Are they?
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Post by: Kevadu on March 24, 2013, 12:36:14 AM
90% of the time, traditional ATB bores the hell out of me too unless it can add some distinctive adjunct to make it better (Radiant Historia's turn swapping, FFX's instant non-turn-wasting-character-tap-outs, Trails in the Sky's minor-SRPG element, Baten Kaitos' ????? system)

None of those examples are ATB...
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Post by: Dice on March 24, 2013, 12:56:44 AM
90% of the time, traditional ATB bores the hell out of me too unless it can add some distinctive adjunct to make it better (Radiant Historia's turn swapping, FFX's instant non-turn-wasting-character-tap-outs, Trails in the Sky's minor-SRPG element, Baten Kaitos' ????? system)

None of those examples are ATB...

I usually lump atb and turn-based together... mah bad.
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Post by: Agent D. on March 24, 2013, 01:10:00 AM
See, arguing this over a forum takes too long, too much to type and most of it gets lost behind other posts. I don't dislike turnbased games, but I'm not going to ask for them instead of games like dragon's dogma, or ni no kuni, or tales of anything. Turnbased is boring, lacks strategy, and makes an otherwise gripping adventure a challenge in how long I can smash my x button before I notice I should heal. And say what you want about the shin megami shit, I've played a few and they operate mostly the same outside of status effects actually working well, meaning I need to heal for those too. Bash XIII all you like, but it required a tad bit more strategical thinking in later fights then hit hit heal repeat. Even tactical rpgs give you positional control so you can target enemies in groups better.

Yes, I enjoy the hell out of games like Chrono Trigger, but fuck balls if I asked them to lleave the battle system alone if they remade it again.
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Post by: Dice on March 24, 2013, 01:32:09 AM
...but fuck balls if I asked them to lleave the battle system alone if they remade it again.


i dont know what this  means for CTs battle system.... but im also drunk.
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Post by: Agent D. on March 24, 2013, 01:46:26 AM
...but fuck balls if I asked them to lleave the battle system alone if they remade it again.


i dont know what this  means for CTs battle system.... but im also drunk.
Personally, I'd want to have AT LEAST a real time battle system, maybe like the LMBS from tales, or a more action oriented scheme like dragon's dogma. Hell if I had my way all rpgs would be action systems like dragon's dogma.
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Post by: Ashton on March 24, 2013, 03:22:22 AM
I dunno, there's something very satisfying about games like, say, Tactics Ogre or FFX because it's kind of like playing chess. It's a very different thrill you get from playing a game like Tales or Kingdom Hearts.

Just for the record, I think FFX and Breath of Fire IV perfected turn-based RPG systems.
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Post by: Aurian on March 24, 2013, 10:33:59 AM
See, arguing this over a forum takes too long, too much to type and most of it gets lost behind other posts. I don't dislike turnbased games, but I'm not going to ask for them instead of games like dragon's dogma, or ni no kuni, or tales of anything. Turnbased is boring, lacks strategy, and makes an otherwise gripping adventure a challenge in how long I can smash my x button before I notice I should heal. And say what you want about the shin megami shit, I've played a few and they operate mostly the same outside of status effects actually working well, meaning I need to heal for those too. Bash XIII all you like, but it required a tad bit more strategical thinking in later fights then hit hit heal repeat. Even tactical rpgs give you positional control so you can target enemies in groups better.

Yes, I enjoy the hell out of games like Chrono Trigger, but fuck balls if I asked them to lleave the battle system alone if they remade it again.

Really? I feel the same way about action. Smash my X button until I notice I need to heal, stop and heal, go back to mashing X. I always felt that turn based games offered a bit more strategy vs. more "realism" in an action game. The action pauses, you can consider your next action, and execute it without being rushed. Turn based games often seem to have more relevant spells, etc. than action games, where they do seem to be mashing one button for the majority of the battle (ok, so random encounters you will often use just the X button too, but at least I don't get sore hands/thumbs from the mash-fest).
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Post by: Cyril on March 24, 2013, 10:40:16 AM
I dunno, there's something very satisfying about games like, say, Tactics Ogre or FFX because it's kind of like playing chess. It's a very different thrill you get from playing a game like Tales or Kingdom Hearts.

Just for the record, I think FFX and Breath of Fire IV perfected turn-based RPG systems.

I just want to say thank you for mentioning BoFIV.  Everyone mentions FFX's system as being great, but it's very similar to BoFIV's, which came earlier and promoted something a bit more "team-based," with support attacks, TP regeneration, protection, and so forth.  The main difference is when the commands are executed, in FFX it's character-by-character - that is, give one character a command and it's executed immediately after - where it's party-based - give all characters commands before they're executed - in BoFIV.
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Post by: daved on March 24, 2013, 11:16:39 AM
See, arguing this over a forum takes too long, too much to type and most of it gets lost behind other posts. I don't dislike turnbased games, but I'm not going to ask for them instead of games like dragon's dogma, or ni no kuni, or tales of anything. Turnbased is boring, lacks strategy, and makes an otherwise gripping adventure a challenge in how long I can smash my x button before I notice I should heal. And say what you want about the shin megami shit, I've played a few and they operate mostly the same outside of status effects actually working well, meaning I need to heal for those too. Bash XIII all you like, but it required a tad bit more strategical thinking in later fights then hit hit heal repeat. Even tactical rpgs give you positional control so you can target enemies in groups better.

Yes, I enjoy the hell out of games like Chrono Trigger, but fuck balls if I asked them to lleave the battle system alone if they remade it again.

Really? I feel the same way about action. Smash my X button until I notice I need to heal, stop and heal, go back to mashing X. I always felt that turn based games offered a bit more strategy vs. more "realism" in an action game. The action pauses, you can consider your next action, and execute it without being rushed. Turn based games often seem to have more relevant spells, etc. than action games, where they do seem to be mashing one button for the majority of the battle (ok, so random encounters you will often use just the X button too, but at least I don't get sore hands/thumbs from the mash-fest).

I'm going to step in and say I think it totally depends on the game.  Action RPGs can be done very well (see: Witcher 2, Ys series) but when they aren't done well, it just comes down to whether or not you can mash buttons fast enough and long enough without getting sore fingers.  And that gets incredibly boring.  On the flip side, I love turn-based tactical RPGs like Shining Force 1-3 and Fallout 1 & 2.  The problem is many turn-based games can also be incredibly boring because of all the random encounters that aren't strategically challenging and only exist because the game requires a lot of grinding to beat the bosses; which was arguably done not to make the game more enjoyable, but because it would artificially extend the length so that the publisher could advertise "Over 50 hours of game-play!!!".     Real-time and turn-based battle systems can both be implemented poorly and either way it makes the game start to feel like work more than fun. 
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Post by: Zendervai on March 24, 2013, 11:54:33 AM
I agree. For example, the first two Xenosaga games had good ideas in their battle systems but the first game was so slow and the second game was so clunky that it hurt the game. The third game figured out how to have the critical elements of the first two battle systems and made it fast-paced.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 24, 2013, 03:32:32 PM
FINAL FANTASY X Trailer [BETA - Proto 2000] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72vckLXI7x4)

FINAL FANTASY X / X-2 HD Remaster Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NKzEFc5K4M)
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Post by: Lard on March 25, 2013, 01:41:41 AM
Actually, Agent D, X was a big step forward ... For turn based games. X-2 was much better for the atb.
Touche, but turn based is so ancient anyway. Why would you go back and reinvent the wheel basically, especially as few games at that point (rpg wise) were still turn based. Nowadays, even FFXII's style of play are so much more entertaining and engrossing, turn based is mindless jamming on the X button for fights.

There are still fans of turn based out there.

FF12's combat got to the point where you weren't even thinking about what you were doing because it was all automated.

At least with FFX you had to think about what you were doing.
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Post by: Taelus on March 25, 2013, 09:12:46 PM
Actually, Agent D, X was a big step forward ... For turn based games. X-2 was much better for the atb.
Touche, but turn based is so ancient anyway. Why would you go back and reinvent the wheel basically, especially as few games at that point (rpg wise) were still turn based. Nowadays, even FFXII's style of play are so much more entertaining and engrossing, turn based is mindless jamming on the X button for fights.

There are still fans of turn based out there.

FF12's combat got to the point where you weren't even thinking about what you were doing because it was all automated.

At least with FFX you had to think about what you were doing.

I'm no defender of FFXIII, but I absolutely disagree that you weren't thinking what you were doing. The strategy in XIII was on the macro level-- paradigm setups, changing them appropriately, and reacting quickly to changing battle conditions, rather than on the micro level of choosing your individual commands. Different kind of strategy, but by no means mindless.
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Post by: Kevadu on March 25, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
While their is a strategy in some sense in FFXIII, my main beef with the game is that the exact same strategy works for every single battle.  Which is kind of the same as having no strategy at all.  I actually like what they were trying to do in theory, but they abstracted things so much that there was very little real choice.  There were certain paradigms which were basically essential and others that were completely worthless wastes of space.  Once you figured out the tricks in the system, that was it.  You could win every single fight by going through the same exact steps, it was just a matter of patience.  And boy did it require patience, because the HP numbers on even regular enemies in the end game were ridiculous...
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Post by: Taelus on March 25, 2013, 09:38:26 PM
While their is a strategy in some sense in FFXIII, my main beef with the game is that the exact same strategy works for every single battle.  Which is kind of the same as having no strategy at all.  I actually like what they were trying to do in theory, but they abstracted things so much that there was very little real choice.  There were certain paradigms which were basically essential and others that were completely worthless wastes of space.  Once you figured out the tricks in the system, that was it.  You could win every single fight by going through the same exact steps, it was just a matter of patience.  And boy did it require patience, because the HP numbers on even regular enemies in the end game were ridiculous...


I'll agree with that. I can't speak for FFXIII-2 though, since I've only played a few hours. Couldn't stand the plot... or, more importantly, the characters. But I defnitely think FFX did a great job with its battle system, at least until you got so far into the game that you could smoke almost everything outside of super bosses by DOING NOTHING EVERY TURN.*

*Dodge and counter
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Post by: Cyril on March 25, 2013, 09:41:55 PM
While their is a strategy in some sense in FFXIII, my main beef with the game is that the exact same strategy works for every single battle.  Which is kind of the same as having no strategy at all. 

This is untrue.

The issue is that the flexibility doesn't actually present itself until after you've already beaten the final boss, and by then it's too late for many people. The strongest post-game enemies require knowing what you're doing and some trial and error, but I can guarantee that you will not be using the same strategy for them. Like FFXII, the strategy occurs on the macro level and, during some of the battles it's really a thing of beauty to watch when pulled off properly.

Now, XIII-2, unfortunately, doesn't even have this post-game difficulty and I can understand your criticism.
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Post by: Agent D. on March 25, 2013, 09:44:04 PM
Kevadu is completely right, the same strategy works for every standard fight in XIII, the optional fights post game aren't standard, and the same strategy works for most of them anyway.
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Post by: Dice on March 25, 2013, 09:58:14 PM
I also want to add that strategy in normal RPGs isn't really as in-depth either when it comes to using your "powerhouse" character to just attack with their strongest, have a mage heal when necessary, another to provide support, etc.

I think it's about the level of strategy we're talking, and if we can agree to disagree, I think they're kind of in different leagues of battle system, not many standard RPGs let you "choose roles" on the fly and allow that kind of flexibility between characters.

Anyways.  If there is any certainty, it's how goddamn contentious "Final Fantasy 13" is when it's brought up.
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Post by: Aeolus on March 26, 2013, 03:08:20 AM
FFX Strategy: Sure. You can do things sub-optimally if you have the Spheres for it and aren't in any real danger.

FFX-2 Strategy: Dark Knight/Berserker, Dark Knight, Alchemist = You can be plastered to the wall and not give any fucks and still beat this game.

FFXII Strategy: Do you know programming?: >Y/>N

FFXIII Strategy: Do what we tell you or you're going nowhere.

FFXIII-2 Strategy: Find a hulk of a monster => Progress until things stop dying in under a minute => Find new hulk monster => Rinse and Repeat.

FFXIII-2 Post Game/DLC Strategy: Grind like a motherfucker with a GameFAQs guide in hand so that you don't screw yourself over completely.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 26, 2013, 05:35:57 AM
Breaking News: Yoichi Wada resigns as Square Enix CEO (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=51524691&postcount=1)

"Square Enix released some really bad numbers to investors today. Wada has stepped down to "make way for management reform". Yosuke Matsuda takes up the post of CEO."
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Post by: Aeolus on March 26, 2013, 08:03:37 AM
Breaking News: Yoichi Wada resigns as Square Enix CEO (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=51524691&postcount=1)

"Square Enix released some really bad numbers to investors today. Wada has stepped down to "make way for management reform". Yosuke Matsuda takes up the post of CEO."

I'm surprised it took this long for the guy to get the boot. Maybe now we can look forward to something other than the dread of yet another ill conceived Squeenix compilation.
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Post by: Lard on March 26, 2013, 11:16:39 AM
I'm no defender of FFXIII, but I absolutely disagree that you weren't thinking what you were doing. The strategy in XIII was on the macro level-- paradigm setups, changing them appropriately, and reacting quickly to changing battle conditions, rather than on the micro level of choosing your individual commands. Different kind of strategy, but by no means mindless.

I was talking about FF12's combat system.

I liked FF13's combat system.

Good riddance to Wada. He's managed to keep Squeenix afloat through foreign acquisitions only.

If they hadn't bought companies like Eidos, I wouldn't have been surprised to see Squeenix mismanaged into the ground.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 26, 2013, 01:39:20 PM
Tomb Raider has sold 3.4 million copies, failed to hit expectations (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-26-tomb-raider-has-sold-3-4-million-copies-failed-to-hit-expectations) -- Source: Eurogamer

Crazy how with all those copies sold Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs and Hitman: Absolution are still considered "a failure" for the company.
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Post by: Taelus on March 26, 2013, 02:50:33 PM
Yeah, this reminds me of the Amalur fiasco. If your game selling million-plus copies is underperforming, you need to adjust your expectations and maybe budget a little better?
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Post by: Dice on March 26, 2013, 06:39:27 PM
Namco Bandai was pretty bad for this too.  They expected their goddamn "CLash of the Titans" games (y'know, the GAME based on the shitty MOVIE?) to sell over 500k.
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Post by: GrimReality on March 26, 2013, 08:37:58 PM
Tomb Raider has sold 3.4 million copies, failed to hit expectations (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-26-tomb-raider-has-sold-3-4-million-copies-failed-to-hit-expectations) -- Source: Eurogamer

Crazy how with all those copies sold Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs and Hitman: Absolution are still considered "a failure" for the company.
What idiots. I think 3.4 million is amazing considering all the bad mojo the TR franchise has built up over the years. If someone had asked me, I would have guessed that it would sell just under a million the first week. What the hell were they expecting?
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Post by: Dice on March 26, 2013, 11:56:41 PM
Tomb Raider has sold 3.4 million copies, failed to hit expectations (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-26-tomb-raider-has-sold-3-4-million-copies-failed-to-hit-expectations) -- Source: Eurogamer

Crazy how with all those copies sold Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs and Hitman: Absolution are still considered "a failure" for the company.
What idiots. I think 3.4 million is amazing considering all the bad mojo the TR franchise has built up over the years. If someone had asked me, I would have guessed that it would sell just under a million the first week. What the hell were they expecting?


(http://www.klick.com/health/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/one-billion-dr-evil.jpg)
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Post by: Lard on March 27, 2013, 01:47:37 AM
Now that FF 13-3 is coming out, what are the chances 13-2 is going to get repackaged with the DLC?
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Post by: Bill on March 27, 2013, 02:14:13 AM
What idiots. I think 3.4 million is amazing considering all the bad mojo the TR franchise has built up over the years. If someone had asked me, I would have guessed that it would sell just under a million the first week. What the hell were they expecting?

To put this into perspective, they're going along with western publishing expectations. Currently, 2 million qualifies as a mild hit, while 5 million qualifies as a big hit (10 million is the envy of any company). Shareholders/investors know this, so marquis AAA games are greenlit in light of those targets. Even if Square Enix wasn't aware of western expectations, the Eidos unit would certainly have communicated the current norms of this business.

In that regard, Deus Ex, Hitman, Sleeping Dogs, and Tomb Raider failed to meet expectations (similiarly, Max Payne 3 was a disappointment to Take 2 at only 3 million). Square Enix set out to challenge EA, UbiSoft, Activision, etc. by producing big hits, so those games missed the mark.

That said, failing to meet expectations says nothing about profitability or long-term brand viability. Square Enix acknowledged that Just Cause 2 and Sleeping Dogs are slow burners (plus they announced a desire to build on Deus Ex), so I don't think brand building is lost on them. I also suspect that they were quick to lower prices to increase player base. However, the reality is that things get greenlit with the 5 million goal.

Anyway, a mild hit tends to be seen as an IP builder - sell two million copies and establish a good brand reputation, then sell five million copies the next time around. This is probably why Take 2 spent so much on BioShock Infinite - they managed 2 million+ copies apiece for the previous games; now they want to seal the deal. Ditto for Crysis 3, which supposedly cost $60 million+ to develop.

Long story short, the AAA business is busted, which is why its future is in question. The MMORPG biz fell into the same trap. WoW came out, everyone pumped $100 million into their clone and expected a similar level of success.......it didn't happen, and the investors bailed.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Kevadu on March 27, 2013, 02:49:09 AM
I don't believe for a second that Tomb Raider isn't profitable. 3.4 million units in four weeks is crazy good by any rational measure.  Despite what you say, there are very few games that break 5 million units, and even then it's usually over a longer period of time.  If you don't have CoD, GTA, or Halo in your games name you really can't expect that.  Also, since those 3.4 million units are just the early sales that means they were all sold at full retail price, no bargain bin deals here.  A lot of "slow burning" games have a significant fraction of the units sold at lower prices, so you can't directly compare in terms of revenue.

What I think is really going on here is that S-E is making excuses.  If you actually look at their financials it's pretty obvious that revenue for fiscal 2013 is significantly higher than revenue for fiscal 2012.  They don't have a sales problem, they have a costs problem, and they were hoping for some super-successful games to mask that issue.  In fact, if you look at "digital entertainment" alone it's still profitable.  The losses stem entirely from "eliminations or unallocated", whatever the heck that is...

Also, despite the finger-pointing a non-trivial amount of their shortfall compared to the previous projections was due to the social gaming segment underperforming, but you don't hear anyone talking about that (well, to be fair those games cost so little to make that even they underperform in terms of revenue they're certainly still profitable).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 27, 2013, 03:24:42 AM
Now that FF 13-3 is coming out, what are the chances 13-2 is going to get repackaged with the DLC?

Right now at least there are more chances of them putting the DLC at half price than doing a re-release with all the DLC on the disc.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on March 27, 2013, 06:15:12 AM
Also, despite the finger-pointing a non-trivial amount of their shortfall compared to the previous projections was due to the social gaming segment underperforming, but you don't hear anyone talking about that (well, to be fair those games cost so little to make that even they underperform in terms of revenue they're certainly still profitable).

Which is funny given how Wada was trying to shift development away from consoles and onto the emerging iOS/Browser markets. Not because there isn't at least some wisdom in looking towards mobile/On-line markets but when this (http://www.gamefaqs.com/iphone/699927-final-fantasy-all-the-bravest) and this (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=11954.0) is the kind of content you put out on those platforms you're not exactly showing any confidence in those markets either.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 27, 2013, 06:30:12 AM
Pretty sure Squeenix just broke a new record (Tomb Raider SP DLC) (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=530475) -- NeoGAF

Oh geez... now this got dumb.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Lard on March 27, 2013, 06:56:30 AM
Now that FF 13-3 is coming out, what are the chances 13-2 is going to get repackaged with the DLC?

Right now at least there are more chances of them putting the DLC at half price than doing a re-release with all the DLC on the disc.

I guess I'm never playing it then.

Dammit.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on March 27, 2013, 08:01:58 AM
Pretty sure Squeenix just broke a new record (Tomb Raider SP DLC) (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=530475) -- NeoGAF

Oh geez... now this got dumb.

Goddammit Squeenix. :ughh:

Its the horse armor all over again.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Annubis on March 27, 2013, 08:05:26 AM
Remember, back in the days, when companies said DLC wouldn't be abused.

Some people actually believed them...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Klutz64 on March 27, 2013, 10:24:33 AM
Now that FF 13-3 is coming out, what are the chances 13-2 is going to get repackaged with the DLC?

Right now at least there are more chances of them putting the DLC at half price than doing a re-release with all the DLC on the disc.

No, there isn't. Square Enix has had at least 5 digiital sales on XBL or PSN since they started releasing FFXIII-2 DLC, and not once did they put anything from their main studio in that sale. I'm frankly getting sick of the double standard Square Enix has with their Japanese development teams and the Western development teams they've scooped up in the past five years.

Huge loss in 2012-2013? Best blame lackluster sales of Hitman and Tomb Raider, instead of all the money being spent on all your own projects in development hell like FFXIII-Versus, or a three year development cycle for a flippin' HD remaster. Or perhaps all that money being thrown at your mobile division releasing failure after failure? No, no, it's got to be that game that only sold 3+ million in a single month.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 27, 2013, 03:43:58 PM
^Sure.

But there was a sale last year for one week on Xbox Live and PSN of the DLC (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/09/26/final-fantasy-13-2-has-lightning-deals-on-dlc-this-week/) and as far as I know is extremely rare if they do that again. Maybe after they finish the series they do bundle with everything, but I can't see that happening anytime soon right now.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Akanbe- on March 27, 2013, 05:09:22 PM
Also, despite the finger-pointing a non-trivial amount of their shortfall compared to the previous projections was due to the social gaming segment underperforming, but you don't hear anyone talking about that (well, to be fair those games cost so little to make that even they underperform in terms of revenue they're certainly still profitable).

While I generally don't like to hear about things failing, I'm kinda happy to hear that.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Eusis on March 27, 2013, 06:10:21 PM
Yggdrasil: We already have a Tomb Raider thread (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=8662.0) you yourself made, and while Yoichi Wada resigning IS very relevant to FF it's a big enough deal it merits its own thread. Topics can change naturally, but this is just posting off topic news in the wrong thread.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 27, 2013, 06:42:02 PM
I have a question: There was a minigame in X-2 that had something to with doing math or not? I have a memory of a part like that in the game but I can't remember the name of it. Does anyone know?

Yggdrasil: We already have a Tomb Raider thread (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=8662.0) you yourself made, and while Yoichi Wada resigning IS very relevant to FF it's a big enough deal it merits its own thread. Topics can change naturally, but this is just posting off topic news in the wrong thread.

I just posted that last bit of Tomb Raider because it was somehow directly connected with the news of Yoichi Wada and what not, but I already dropped that whole thing and I'm not gonna post anything about that here.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Starmongoose on March 27, 2013, 06:46:00 PM
I have a question: There was a minigame in X-2 that had something to with doing math or not? I have a memory of a part like that in the game but I can't remember the name of it. Does anyone know?

Yggdrasil: We already have a Tomb Raider thread (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=8662.0) you yourself made, and while Yoichi Wada resigning IS very relevant to FF it's a big enough deal it merits its own thread. Topics can change naturally, but this is just posting off topic news in the wrong thread.

I just posted that last bit of Tomb Raider because it was somehow directly connected with the news of Yoichi Wada and what not, but I already dropped that whole thing and I'm not gonna post anything about that here.

You are thinking of Sphere Break.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 28, 2013, 02:41:07 AM
You are thinking of Sphere Break.

That was it!

I kept trying to remember "the dumb minigame that I suck at because I hate math" in X-2, but since I decided to not buy the HD Remaster (mainly to save the money) I will not have to deal with it again.

I still remember when I got stuck reading the rules for like half an hour. Those were dark times.

Anyways thanks.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Taelus on March 29, 2013, 01:10:31 AM
Looks like FFX and (probably FFX-2) are getting the live instrumentation treatment, too.

http://www.jp.square-enix.com/ffx_x-2HD/ Click FFX to hear the sample.

Hot damn, Square knows how to sell me ports.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Blace on March 29, 2013, 10:13:08 AM
Looks like FFX and (probably FFX-2) are getting the live instrumentation treatment, too.

http://www.jp.square-enix.com/ffx_x-2HD/ Click FFX to hear the sample.

Hot damn, Square knows how to sell me ports.

This being my favorite game, this makes me extremely happy. It sounds so amazing. I can't wait for this game. It might be the first game I ever go through and do all the trophies for.

EDIT: BTW, has anyone seen how good the Final Fantasy V remake looks for the iPhone?! Why they would not release that on the PSN or something is beyond me. I hated how FF1 controlled on the iPhone and didn't touch it after like the first dungeon. I'm seriously considering purchasing it despite this, but would much rather have it on a different system. The screenshots are killing me, though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Klyde Chroma on March 29, 2013, 01:19:23 PM


EDIT: BTW, has anyone seen how good the Final Fantasy V remake looks for the iPhone?! Why they would not release that on the PSN or something is beyond me. I hated how FF1 controlled on the iPhone and didn't touch it after like the first dungeon. I'm seriously considering purchasing it despite this, but would much rather have it on a different system. The screenshots are killing me, though.

Man, do I sympathize with that sentiment! As soon as I saw it I thought/felt that same urge to conquer my aversion to IOS titles.

What frightens me however is the thought that, some day, should they ever give FF6 an over-haul it may suffer the same horrible fate!! The would be the eternal, final, GRAND ULTIMATE kick in the scrotum of all my idealistic gaming hopes... I think I would be unreasonable to the point of boycotting square enix products if that happened.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on March 31, 2013, 05:52:55 PM
http://gematsu.com/2013/03/square-enix-launches-10th-anniversary-teaser-site

This had better be an April Fools joke Squeenix, because why would you celebrate this!?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on March 31, 2013, 07:49:20 PM
As far as I can tell, the only brand of Enix's that still lives today is Dragon Quest.... and it lives on like the tumor it is.

I'd kill to see Mischief Makers make a come back, that game was sick.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Eusis on March 31, 2013, 08:00:19 PM
As far as I can tell, the only brand of Enix's that still lives today is Dragon Quest.... and it lives on like the tumor it is.

I'd kill to see Mischief Makers make a come back, that game was sick.

It's not Enix, but I'd save the tumor analogies for Kingdom Hearts. Have you SEEN how convoluted that's become?

DQ's just like some tree that's been there for forever.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 31, 2013, 08:02:45 PM
Dragon Quest is more consistent in its quality than practically any series that SQEX has nowadays (outside of whatever they publish from other companies and Eidos Montreal).

I'd kill to see Mischief Makers make a come back, that game was sick.

Isn't that the N64 game made by Treasure?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on March 31, 2013, 08:08:50 PM
Dragon Quest is more consistent in its quality than practically any series that SQEX has nowadays (outside of whatever they publish from other companies and Eidos Montreal).

I'd kill to see Mischief Makers make a come back, that game was sick.

Isn't that the N64 game made by Treasure?

Oh shoot, nearly forgot.  Yeah, Treasure made it, Enix just published. 

I'm kinda merging my publishers with my creators, but hey, where would we be without them?

Eus:  I EXPECT KH games to be a storyline train wreck, I'm in it for the gameplay, a fun-ass hack'n'slash in familiar places (with one pretentious final level). :D
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 01, 2013, 02:08:38 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/p63mQTn.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/bkHGhkn.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/d68dLnV.jpg)

Source: Famitsu (http://www.famitsu.com/news/201304/01030942.html)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: GrimReality on April 01, 2013, 10:51:19 AM
Those pictures hardly look any different. All it tells me is how good FFX looked for it's time. I really hope no one is wanting to buy the remake just for the (slightly) improved graphics. I guess the extra content that NA never got is an incentive, but not for me. I never play that extra stuff anyways. The games are way too darn long as it is.
I quite liked FFX when I played it, but will certainly never play it again. Even if I had the time I would prefer a new game over one I already played.
Obviously, a lot of people like re-releases and remakes. Whatever floats your boat. I know I'm wrong, but it always appears to me that working on these types of projects means less new games are being made. I understand there's different teams that work on different games, but I can't help but wonder what else they could be doing. Oh, well.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Zendervai on April 01, 2013, 11:38:51 AM
I'm getting it, but my copy of X was scratched and won't play and my copy of X-2 went missing during renovations. I think it may have ended up in the wall. This is cheaper and has a bit more content then if I just bought the PS2 versions again.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on April 01, 2013, 12:06:42 PM
Those pictures hardly look any different. All it tells me is how good FFX looked for it's time. I really hope no one is wanting to buy the remake just for the (slightly) improved graphics. I guess the extra content that NA never got is an incentive, but not for me. I never play that extra stuff anyways. The games are way too darn long as it is.

To un untrained eye, maybe (just joshing).  The earlier screen comparisons (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=10743.msg279407#msg279407) I think demonstrated the graphic changes better and in...y'know actual HD resolution.  I definitely agree that FFX was really ahead of its time though.

...but man, those low-res models are so flat and ugly compared to the dynamic zoom-in models (you can tell in these: the first Yuna looks sweet and almost sparkly, the other one is flat and dull and the lip movement is just drawn on the model in comparison to the former that actually does the lip-synching).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Taelus on April 01, 2013, 12:29:20 PM
I couldn't disagree more. Personally, I think if you're saying "they don't look that much better," you haven't played any other HD re-releases. These are leaps and bounds ahead of any other HD collection that got nothing more than a texture filter and HD upscaling. Some of the remodeling and retexturing here is FAR better than the original.

On the other hand, if you don't like ports, that's fair. I like them because portable versions of games I love are ALLLLL-RIIGHT. Plus, Square needs the cash right now, hah.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: GrimReality on April 01, 2013, 02:59:13 PM
Actually, no, I haven't played any HD re-releases. I don't play games again just because they have sharper graphics. That just oozes of graphic-whoredom. It's not like the upgraded graphics change the actual gameplay or story. It's the exact same. That's why I'm always confused when people get excited about these things. UNLESS...You've never played it before, didn't finish it, or are interested in the content never released before. I get that.
I just see so many great games out there that I'll never have time to play. Replaying ANY game is never in the cards for me. I can only assume that people who play this have already tapped out all those other great games. It's a weird mix of jealousy and bafflement that I'm feeling.
Like I said above, though, whatever floats it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 01, 2013, 04:06:54 PM
I quite liked FFX when I played it, but will certainly never play it again. Even if I had the time I would prefer a new game over one I already played.
Obviously, a lot of people like re-releases and remakes. Whatever floats your boat. I know I'm wrong, but it always appears to me that working on these types of projects means less new games are being made. I understand there's different teams that work on different games, but I can't help but wonder what else they could be doing. Oh, well.

"Hideki Imaizumi says that when recording the voice sessions for FF Type-0, he and Nomura worked with some of the FFX cast again for the first time in 10 years. That got them talking again about FFX and they had good memories about it. That inspired Nomura to go around negotiating with various people in the company over the next few days, and finally they got the greenlight to do it. But at that time they were still tied up with FFXIII, so actual development couldn't start immediately.

It was just between Nomura and Imaizumi initially. Working with the voice cast on Type-0 was just the trigger to get the two of them talking. The actual voice cast has no part in this project."


source (http://67.227.255.239/forum/showpost.php?p=52177272&postcount=2359)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Taelus on April 01, 2013, 05:28:13 PM
Actually, no, I haven't played any HD re-releases. I don't play games again just because they have sharper graphics. That just oozes of graphic-whoredom. It's not like the upgraded graphics change the actual gameplay or story. It's the exact same. That's why I'm always confused when people get excited about these things. UNLESS...You've never played it before, didn't finish it, or are interested in the content never released before. I get that.
I just see so many great games out there that I'll never have time to play. Replaying ANY game is never in the cards for me. I can only assume that people who play this have already tapped out all those other great games. It's a weird mix of jealousy and bafflement that I'm feeling.
Like I said above, though, whatever floats it.


I have absolutely no problem replaying games I like because of better graphics, and it has nothing to do with graphics whore-dom-- I like the idea of re-experiencing something I've enjoyed with a nice new presentation. Back to the Future in bluray, for example :). And I don't agree with the mentality that a person who loves graphics is someone to frown upon to begin with, because everyone is entitled to enjoy what they enjoy for whatever reason. It's totally cool if you don't feel the same way, but I completely disagree that it "oozes of graphics whoredom" and with the underlying assumption that being a graphics whore is a bad thing to begin with. That's one step away from saying "Stephen replaying Kingdom Hearts because they re-recording the soundtrack oozes of "music whore-dom," and I'd actually fight someone if they implied new music was a bad or shallow thing :)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Akanbe- on April 01, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
Actually, no, I haven't played any HD re-releases. I don't play games again just because they have sharper graphics. That just oozes of graphic-whoredom. It's not like the upgraded graphics change the actual gameplay or story. It's the exact same. That's why I'm always confused when people get excited about these things. UNLESS...You've never played it before, didn't finish it, or are interested in the content never released before. I get that.
I just see so many great games out there that I'll never have time to play. Replaying ANY game is never in the cards for me. I can only assume that people who play this have already tapped out all those other great games. It's a weird mix of jealousy and bafflement that I'm feeling.
Like I said above, though, whatever floats it.


I have absolutely no problem replaying games I like because of better graphics, and it has nothing to do with graphics whore-dom-- I like the idea of re-experiencing something I've enjoyed with a nice new presentation. Back to the Future in bluray, for example :). And I don't agree with the mentality that a person who loves graphics is someone to frown upon to begin with, because everyone is entitled to enjoy what they enjoy for whatever reason. It's totally cool if you don't feel the same way, but I completely disagree that it "oozes of graphics whoredom" and with the underlying assumption that being a graphics whore is a bad thing to begin with. That's one step away from saying "Stephen replaying Kingdom Hearts because they re-recording the soundtrack oozes of "music whore-dom," and I'd actually fight someone if they implied new music was a bad or shallow thing :)

I would possibly buy it due to me wanting to replay FFX.  While I agree paying for something a little more shiny can be silly, I really don't like 4:3 resolution anymore (black bars ugh) and I'd rather play it in widescreen format if I can.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on April 01, 2013, 05:59:35 PM
(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/104/f/0/mlp___dissidia_012_cast_by_lynxgriffin-d3e07w2.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 01, 2013, 09:00:28 PM
http://www.jp.square-enix.com/10thAnniversary/

Update: "It looks like the site's been taken down, which could mean it was all just an April Fools' Day joke." -- Source: Gematsu (http://gematsu.com/2013/03/square-enix-launches-10th-anniversary-teaser-site)

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2rbrfxXsJ1qkun3a.gif)

...uh, OK.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on April 01, 2013, 09:20:06 PM
...yikes.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on April 02, 2013, 10:50:22 AM
It was a bad April Fools joke anyways.

Even the Nitro+ one involving a crossover with Gearbox in a Nitro+ Special Edition version of Bioshock Infinite (entitled Sonico Shock Infinity) was better than this weaksauce.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 02, 2013, 10:10:09 PM
Square Enix's new President plans to review the entire company (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/02/square-enixs-new-president-plans-to-review-the-entire-company/) -- Source: Siliconera

It was a bad April Fools joke anyways.

It seems that this (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/02/square-enix-and-subaru-pull-an-elaborate-gyrozetter-april-fools-prank/) was the joke actually.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Klutz64 on April 03, 2013, 10:44:03 AM
Square Enix's new President plans to review the entire company (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/02/square-enixs-new-president-plans-to-review-the-entire-company/) -- Source: Siliconera

It was a bad April Fools joke anyways.

It seems that this (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/02/square-enix-and-subaru-pull-an-elaborate-gyrozetter-april-fools-prank/) was the joke actually.

So glad a company in the weeds is using their time and budget so wisely... >_>
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 05, 2013, 09:05:19 AM
After Square Enix announced it, what ever happened to Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII? (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/04/after-square-enix-announced-it-what-ever-happened-to-before-crisis-final-fantasy-vii/) -- Source: Siliconera

(http://i48.tinypic.com/25at9ht.png)

"After saying the game will be launched in the United States, there wasn't any progress made. That's a true story," Keiji Fujita explained. "The feature phones at that time were too low spec to bring Before Crisis to the US market. Because Before Crisis is an online game, it was only available for high end phones in Japan. There was no way to port the game to phones here."
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on April 05, 2013, 10:18:50 AM
Because we didn't get enough of that damn compilation the first time.

But I guess this also means that we can stop worrying about localizations that don't come within a year or three since they might still come out eventually (you know, like how SD3, Bahamut Lagoon, and the SaGa DS remakes have gotten one, oh wait...).

And maybe when they're done charging $40-$50 bux for a 3DS port of a cellphone game made nearly a decade ago they can get around to bringing out Friends of Mana (to complete yet another piece of shit compilation that produced nothing but crap).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Klutz64 on April 05, 2013, 01:03:25 PM
After reading a plot synopsis of Before Crisis, I was kind of thankful we never got that game. Most of the other games in the compilation did their best to keep canon relatively consistent.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Taelus on April 05, 2013, 01:07:42 PM
I enjoyed the FF7 compilation. Dirge of Cerberus had awesome music and was an all right game, Crisis Core was amazing, and FF7AC was absent-minded brain-candy. Could have been a lot worse.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on April 05, 2013, 01:35:22 PM
^ I liked that Advent Children and even the Final Fantasy Movie (Spirits Within) are one of few full-human CG efforts.

I love and hate that Pixar and Dreamworks or whoever are usually more in the "cartoon mode" (which works for them, but I'd love to see them try new styles in general).

Crisis Core was weird, and just made me want a revamped FF7 (walking around Midgar in awesom---... well, "PSP>PSX graphics" was pretty cool).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 05, 2013, 04:25:57 PM
Because we didn't get enough of that damn compilation the first time.

But I guess this also means that we can stop worrying about localizations that don't come within a year or three since they might still come out eventually (you know, like how SD3, Bahamut Lagoon, and the SaGa DS remakes have gotten one, oh wait...).

And maybe when they're done charging $40-$50 bux for a 3DS port of a cellphone game made nearly a decade ago they can get around to bringing out Friends of Mana (to complete yet another piece of shit compilation that produced nothing but crap).

(http://i.minus.com/ibuqSICrCQ2SEU.gif)

After reading a plot synopsis of Before Crisis, I was kind of thankful we never got that game. Most of the other games in the compilation did their best to keep canon relatively consistent.

BC didn't? I ask because there was a time that I tried to make sense of the story of VII with the compilation, but everything end up being a big ugly mess to me... is like everything that is shown in the compilation are just a bunch of stories connected in a very forced way to expand the universe of the main game.

VII never really needed any kind of continuation or expansion to its universe though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Kevadu on April 05, 2013, 05:15:49 PM
BC didn't? I ask because there was a time that I tried to make sense of the story of VII with the compilation, but everything end up being a big ugly mess to me... is like everything that is shown in the compilation are just a bunch of stories connected in a very forced way to expand the universe of the main game.

VII never really needed any kind of continuation or expansion to its universe though.

AC was entirely pure eye-candy fluff that was totally unnecessary and its story plays out like a fanfic.

Never played Dirge of Cerberus...

Crisis Core was probably the most conceptually sound element of the compilation.  There were definitely a lot of elements there that could have benefited from being more fleshed-out.  The results were mixed, however.  Gameplay-wise it was a solid game, but story-wise I feel like it's about equal parts solid backstory and confusing, unnecessary, shoehorned-in additions.  So whatever...

All in all it's hard to feel like the expanded FF7 universe as a whole was worth it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Klutz64 on April 06, 2013, 10:21:43 AM
There are several problems with the story of Before Crisis, but the biggest problem is that it apparently ends with a giant weapon attack on Midgar, similar to the end of Dirge of Cerberus. The problem being is an event of that scale just doesn't fit in as possibly happening before any of the events of FF7.

AC I don't have a problem with because it was enough of a self-contained story that the complete randomness of everything doesn't have any real impact on the FF7 universe.

I also feel completely opposite about Crisis Core. I enjoyed the story well enough, but the game play just didn't do it for me. I mean, random level progression? Really?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on April 06, 2013, 10:28:53 AM
^ I heard that roulette for level-ups because "more likely" the longer you go on without a level up and more EXP or whatever else.  I still didn't like it.  ANd yeah, I thought the combat was really odd to get really into (the roulette being a distraction of weird anime-men circling around all the time).  I might give it another go given all the praise.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Zendervai on April 06, 2013, 10:38:17 AM
With the exception of the random internet analogue Dirge of Cerberus actually fit pretty well into the universe. The characters were a little to whiny, but OMEGA Weapon made sense in the context of the overall story.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on April 06, 2013, 01:11:49 PM
With the exception of the random internet analogue Dirge of Cerberus actually fit pretty well into the universe. The characters were a little to whiny, but OMEGA Weapon made sense in the context of the overall story.

Maybe, but I still can't stand that awful Vincent Valentine fanfic. Especially the part where he gets the 'girl' at the end.

Also DoC is the epitome of Noruma's awful character designs.

And even if the over the shoulder/third person shooter gameplay were any good back when it came out, it probably hasn't aged all that well in the face of all those Resident Evil games. Hell, if I recall correctly, DoC's gameplay is about the same level of quality as Bullet Witch's gameplay. (Besides, did it REALLY need those sneaking missions?)

But my beef with Before Crisis is that its conceptually identical to Friends of Mana (which is currently equal in the hasn't left Japan and the world hasn't missed much traits). And Friends of Mana was also part of an even worse Squeenix compilation that killed off the Mana series wholesale (Circle of Mana was the equivalent of Squeenix digging up the Mana series' cold, dead, rotten remains to tie up onto a pike to parade around for a while).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Zendervai on April 06, 2013, 03:15:26 PM
The really annoying thing about the Mana compilation is that the World of Mana actually can maintain a lot more stories and each of the games under that title that got released had really interesting concepts and Heroes of Mana actually had a really interesting story. The gameplay just had huge problems for each one.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 07, 2013, 12:10:48 AM
nvm.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Lard on April 10, 2013, 11:18:19 AM
So according to this rumour:

http://www.vgleaks.com/possible-dlc-for-ps3-final-fantasy-xx-2-remakes/

The International content for FFX and X-2 will only be available as DLC at $5 a pop.

I certainly hope this isn't true.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Zendervai on April 10, 2013, 11:52:13 AM
It might happen, but I don't think it's likely. X-2 at least has enough tweaks to it that doing that would be really silly. Now, Last Mission, I can see that happening.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Klutz64 on April 10, 2013, 12:01:04 PM
Even if that does happen, that takes the price for two games (four if they do cross-buy) to $53. I'd pay that.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yoda on April 14, 2013, 10:58:03 PM
Question:

Is FF6 available on the 3DS shop or whatever?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Eusis on April 14, 2013, 11:37:31 PM
Question:

Is FF6 available on the 3DS shop or whatever?

There's no SNES or GBA games to buy there, so no.

And they didn't put FF1 up either yet.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on April 14, 2013, 11:52:10 PM
Question:

Is FF6 available on the 3DS shop or whatever?

Interested-Yoda or Yoda-Trying-to-Impress-Someone?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yoda on April 15, 2013, 12:12:20 AM
Question:

Is FF6 available on the 3DS shop or whatever?

Interested-Yoda or Yoda-Trying-to-Impress-Someone?

Just you
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on April 15, 2013, 12:16:04 AM
Question:

Is FF6 available on the 3DS shop or whatever?

Interested-Yoda or Yoda-Trying-to-Impress-Someone?

Just you

It would work.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: DPB on April 15, 2013, 03:27:39 PM
So according to this rumour:

http://www.vgleaks.com/possible-dlc-for-ps3-final-fantasy-xx-2-remakes/

The International content for FFX and X-2 will only be available as DLC at $5 a pop.

I certainly hope this isn't true.

FFX International isn't that great anyway. It puts a load of near-impossible bosses (the Dark Aeons), which block you out of certain areas and side-content unless you defeat them first. And they're not even fun bosses either, they're the type where you're supposed to grind your stats to maximum just to stand a chance. It was annoying playing the PAL version missing out on sidequests because there were incredibly overpowered bosses in the way. I would pay $5 not to have the PAL/International version extras.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on April 15, 2013, 08:09:33 PM
So according to this rumour:

http://www.vgleaks.com/possible-dlc-for-ps3-final-fantasy-xx-2-remakes/

The International content for FFX and X-2 will only be available as DLC at $5 a pop.

I certainly hope this isn't true.

FFX International isn't that great anyway. It puts a load of near-impossible bosses (the Dark Aeons), which block you out of certain areas and side-content unless you defeat them first. And they're not even fun bosses either, they're the type where you're supposed to grind your stats to maximum just to stand a chance. It was annoying playing the PAL version missing out on sidequests because there were incredibly overpowered bosses in the way. I would pay $5 not to have the PAL/International version extras.

Ah, good ole' Squeenix. Rebalancing the Sphere Grid to make it less linear to progress through then supplement it with Trademark Squeenix Superbosses locking you out of things that was originally free(-ish *cough*Chocobo Racing/Dodging 200 Lightning Bolts*cough*) to partake in (and not even well designed Superbosses but the "Hope you've maxed out, found the system exploit, and are willing to chew through 50 Million HPs, otherwise FUCK OFF!" Superbosses).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 15, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
Straightening out Final Fantasy X's Sphere Grid (http://gameinternals.com/post/3364162387/straightening-out-final-fantasy-xs-sphere-grid) -- Source: GameInternals
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on April 16, 2013, 02:30:38 AM
Straightening out Final Fantasy X's Sphere Grid (http://gameinternals.com/post/3364162387/straightening-out-final-fantasy-xs-sphere-grid) -- Source: GameInternals

You realize I just said as much, right? Or were you simply providing supporting evidence to my comment?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 16, 2013, 10:36:02 AM
Lightning Returns Play Arts Kai now in color (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/04/painted-lightning-figurine/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

The "Gundam Seed Shield" looks nice. Hell, I wouldn't bother buying one if I had the chance to do it.

You realize I just said as much, right? Or were you simply providing supporting evidence to my comment?

Just think of what I posted as an extension to your comment.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on April 16, 2013, 11:26:28 AM
Lightning Returns Play Arts Kai now in color (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/04/painted-lightning-figurine/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

The "Gundam Seed Shield" looks nice. Hell, I wouldn't bother buying one if I had the chance to do it.

Still can't dig on the weird colour choices.  Maroon, navy blue, and light pink.... =/
I tried to like her outfit too, but it just wasn't happening.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Klutz64 on April 16, 2013, 01:40:00 PM
Thankfully it seems like it will be only one of many since, if what I've read is correct, outfits will be integral to the gameplay.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Lard on April 17, 2013, 02:02:19 AM
"Versus is coming. Just wait a little longer."

http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/04/nomura-the-situation-on-final-fantasy-versus-xiii-within-the-company-is-very-delicate/
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on April 17, 2013, 02:07:55 AM
"Versus is coming. Just wait a little longer."

http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/04/nomura-the-situation-on-final-fantasy-versus-xiii-within-the-company-is-very-delicate/

They weren't allowed to talk about Versus because there was nothing to talk about (except for the licensed fashion brand threads everyone's now sporting). :V
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 17, 2013, 07:00:55 AM
They weren't allowed to talk about Versus because there was nothing to talk about

You can say the same about Persona 5 but that wouldn't be true given how both projects have shown sporadic signs of life over the years.

(except for the licensed fashion brand threads everyone's now sporting). :V

...ah. That thing was just a rumor, but hey it helped giving people even more blue balls for Versus XIII which end up being good marketing for SQEX.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 05, 2013, 04:18:38 PM
Triple Triad Gold (http://ttg.qhimm.com/)

"Triple Triad Gold is a clone of the popular card game in Final Fantasy VIII, Triple Triad. This project was started in the early 2000, with the ambition of being as close to the original as possible. TTG is a one-man project, developed using Visual C++. It utilizes MFC, DirectX and the BASS sound system."

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Play Arts Kai images (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/04/new-final-fantasy-vii-advent-children-play-arts-kai-images/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

"Both figures are due out later this year, having seen their initial reveals back at Tokyo Game Show 2012. As part of the Play Arts KAI line, both Rufus and Yuffie will come with an assortment of accessories. Rufus sports an alternate head and chest, Jenova head case and his signature shotgun – while Yuffie comes equipped with a shuriken, materia and different hand styles."
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on May 05, 2013, 10:25:59 PM
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Play Arts Kai images (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/04/new-final-fantasy-vii-advent-children-play-arts-kai-images/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

"Both figures are due out later this year, having seen their initial reveals back at Tokyo Game Show 2012. As part of the Play Arts KAI line, both Rufus and Yuffie will come with an assortment of accessories. Rufus sports an alternate head and chest, Jenova head case and his signature shotgun – while Yuffie comes equipped with a shuriken, materia and different hand styles."

Does the Rufus figure come with an alternate head and chest that say "I died like a chump at the end of FFVII proper. Why the fuck am I in this silly DBZ knockoff?", Diamond Weapon firing its frikken lazor beams, and his signature Shinra HQ with kungfu grip and tactical getting the blown the fuck up action?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on May 05, 2013, 11:03:10 PM
I'm surprised of all things and spin-offs the FF series hasn't done, it's a TripTriad game for handheld or whatever the shit.

Also, am I the only one who hates the Play Art figures?  I did like Aeo's comments about DBZ .
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: pseudonym on May 06, 2013, 02:55:54 AM
"Versus is coming. Just wait a little longer."

An extinction later...ta-da!

By the time they release Versus we will be living in a steampunkish world where the game will make us reminiscent about our 60's.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 06, 2013, 04:07:54 AM
I forgot this one.

Nomura: Final Fantasy Versus XIII will be revealed soon, preparations are underway (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/04/nomura-the-situation-on-final-fantasy-versus-xiii-within-the-company-is-very-delicate/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

There's also this rumor (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/04/rumor-versus-to-release-on-both-ps3-and-ps4/) in the site if anyone wanna read it.

Does the Rufus figure come with an alternate head and chest that say "I died like a chump at the end of FFVII proper. Why the fuck am I in this silly DBZ knockoff?", Diamond Weapon firing its frikken lazor beams, and his signature Shinra HQ with kungfu grip and tactical getting the blown the fuck up action?

FFVII and the Compilation are two different things.

Also related: New Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Play Arts Kai arrive in September (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/05/new-final-fantasy-vii-advent-children-play-arts-kai-arrive-in-september/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 29, 2013, 06:46:56 AM
Final Fantasy series development status:

FFX HD: 80%
FFX-2 HD: 65%

LR: FFXIII: 70%

FFVIII (PC): 80%

source (https://twitter.com/aibo_ac7/status/339665517461774336)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on May 29, 2013, 10:33:20 AM
I had a chuckle to the community response:

Versus: -85%.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on May 29, 2013, 11:14:01 AM
I had a chuckle to the community response:

Versus: -85%.

There weren't enough characters remaining to allow for enough zeros to reach the decimal place low enough to display Versus's progress. Granted they should've used scientific notation instead, but then again that would involve understanding what scientific notation is (and its not what you use to power airships, railguns, or whatever fantasy technobabble they think is cool enough to say "a scientific notation did it").
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 30, 2013, 08:55:58 AM
Tetsuya Nomura to participate in the second episode of Square Enix's mdRadio broadcast (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/05/tetsuya-nomura-to-participate-in-the-second-episode-of-square-enixs-mdradio-broadcast/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

"The first episode of Square Enix's new merchandise broadcast – mdRadio – aired online last month and with it a bit of insight from game director Testuya Nomura.

In the initial episode (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/04/nomura-the-situation-on-final-fantasy-versus-xiii-within-the-company-is-very-delicate/) of mdRadio, Nomura spoke candidly about his pet project Final Fantasy Versus XIII – going so far as to apologize for making fans wait, as well as promising a finalized reveal date for the project.

Now it looks like Nomura will be returning for another go-around when the second episode hits the web "near the end of May" – according to a Famitsu report (http://blog.hokanko-alt.com/archives/28597470.html). Given the proximity, it would be a fair guess to expect some sort of update within the next couple days."
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Holykael1 on May 30, 2013, 09:08:07 AM
 These companies need to start to be more cautious with their announcements. The announcement of final fantasy versus 13 did more bad than good considering that the game was in such an early stage of development.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 30, 2013, 09:32:27 AM
^FFXIV did more bad than good for them than an announcement made in 2006.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Holykael1 on May 30, 2013, 09:40:33 AM
^FFXIV did more bad than good for them than an announcement made in 2006.

That's to be expected. FF XIV was a complete mess.
I know they are a business and all but if they tried to focus on actually making quality, creative and artistic games it would turn out to be better(I mean they already had the brand recognition), even from an economical standpoint. Trying to catch on popular bandwagons isnt working and was an idiotic move, they need to realize this.
They were doing well enough with making regular main series Final Fantasy games, why do they need to get greedy and make moves that aleniate their existing fanbase to try and cash in on a new audience. They were doing well enough as it was..
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 30, 2013, 09:54:21 AM
^The market changed abruptly and their audience is all over the place.

That said, is not like they are oblivious of the things they do as a company.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Holykael1 on May 30, 2013, 10:02:54 AM
 Well. I dont think anybody asked for a new MMO. The main series final fantasy games never failed to sell well. Why would they focus on cheap spin offs and an MMO that nobody asked for. They were trying to reach the WoW audience and didnt even make a playable product, what kind of awareness is that?

I think that considering their recent decisions, the things they said about the eidos games and their sales expectations, we have enough proof to assume that they are quite oblivious about a lot of things.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 30, 2013, 10:34:55 AM
The main series final fantasy games never failed to sell well. Why would they focus on cheap spin offs and an MMO that nobody asked for. They were trying to reach the WoW audience and didnt even make a playable product, what kind of awareness is that?

With XIV they were going after the players of XI more than anything else.

And what do you mean with the cheap spin-offs thing? iOS stuff or bigger releases that you don't care about?

I think that considering their recent decisions, the things they said about the eidos games and their sales expectations, we have enough proof to assume that they are quite oblivious about a lot of things.

Those 3 games only failed in their sales expectations, all 3 of them sold well enough and were also well-received to keep the IPs alive for the future (if they want anyway).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Holykael1 on May 30, 2013, 10:47:39 AM
^
I mean the IOS stuff and some of the crystal chronicles spin offs. Im speaking for myself obviously but I dont think many people enjoyed those spinoffs, nevertheless these little deviances hurt the brand. However I did enjoy Dissidia, that was a very good effort on their part, I think.
I also think that the crystal chronicles stuff should be a separate IP, it's doing more bad then good to the final fantasy name if you ask me.

I really like the re-releases of old final fantasy games though. I thought the Final Fantasy V ios port was commendable but I deem it as a failure because that sprite work is so bad...

Im not even speaking for the whole Final Fantasy XIII thing because I havent played the games myself and I tend to avoid judging games that I haven't played.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 30, 2013, 11:25:44 AM
I mean the IOS stuff and some of the crystal chronicles spin offs. Im speaking for myself obviously but I dont think many people enjoyed those spinoffs, nevertheless these little deviances hurt the brand. However I did enjoy Dissidia, that was a very good effort on their part, I think.
I also think that the crystal chronicles stuff should be a separate IP, it's doing more bad then good to the final fantasy name if you ask me.

The iOS stuff was made mainly because to take advantage of that "growing market" and in between that process they end up making mad a bunch of people which hurt their reputation.

About the Crystal Chronicles games, I dunno. They made 6 of those and with their mixed reception and everything I don't think people didn't enjoy them if they made that many. Not to mention that the entire series was like an effort to get more people that wasn't interested in the main series into Final Fantasy.

Also I have to say that I don't know what the hell the people at SQEX was thinking back in the day with releasing Front Mission Evolved and MindJack. Those games were awful.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Dice on May 30, 2013, 11:31:24 AM
Crystal Chronicles was an *amazing* idea with poor design, if I had to say anything about it.  Plus, the plots for the DS game were just weird and sad.  The interface with the GBA was just more trouble than it was worth.

I oddly did like Chrystal Bearers for whatever-the-fuck reason.  Maybe it was the opening theme the just set a good idea. I dunno.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Akanbe- on May 30, 2013, 05:01:24 PM
Why would they focus on cheap spin offs and an MMO that nobody asked for.

The cheap spin offs because they were profitable and easily built upon FF13.

A new MMO because 11 was a very profitable endeavor and they wanted to continue the MMO cash into the next gen.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on May 30, 2013, 06:18:41 PM
Crystal Chronicles was an *amazing* idea with poor design, if I had to say anything about it.  Plus, the plots for the DS game were just weird and sad.  The interface with the GBA was just more trouble than it was worth.

I oddly did like Chrystal Bearers for whatever-the-fuck reason.  Maybe it was the opening theme the just set a good idea. I dunno.

The sad part was that it had potential if it didn't use that silly GBA-GCN connection gimmick since the game didn't really make good use of it. A Co-op ARPG in the vein of Secret of Mana would've been a godsend back in those days, especially with the more simplified mechanics and interface versus the "I spam my stack of numbers' cheezy option against the game's stack of numbers because every other way is too slow and tedious and I liek BEEG NUMBURS :).".
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 01, 2013, 02:02:53 PM
Final Fantasy Versus XIII delisted from Amazon (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-delisted-from-amazon/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: ultra7k on June 05, 2013, 01:51:09 PM
For what it's worth, FFT for iOS just got a HD update. All the sprites have been smoothed over so they look less pixilated, and apparently the frame rates have been bumped up to reduce crashing.
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Post by: Agent D. on June 05, 2013, 04:18:56 PM
Is the IOS version the psp variant with the updated translation and dark knight class?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Aeolus on June 05, 2013, 05:39:01 PM
Is the IOS version the psp variant with the updated translation and dark knight class?

Also the Onion Knight class and visual effects slowdown.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: Agent D. on June 06, 2013, 01:17:07 AM
Is the IOS version the psp variant with the updated translation and dark knight class?

Also the Onion Knight class and visual effects slowdown.
I was trying to stay positive...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo!
Post by: ultra7k on June 06, 2013, 12:20:32 PM
Apparently the new update removes slow down, haven't tested it myself yet, but that's what i've been reading...it also adds iCloud save support so that's a bonus!

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Post by: Yggdrasil on June 07, 2013, 11:32:40 AM
Next episode of Square Enix mdRadio confirmed for June 11th (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/7061/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

"Testuya Nomura will be returning to Square Enix's mdRadio on June 11th, Hidemi Matsuzuka has confirmed today.

This news comes following a Famitsu report that the second episode of the show would be available by the end of May. As that date has come and gone, Hidemi has broken the silence and given a final date as to when fans can expect the next words from Nomura as well as others in the merchandise team.

Given the timing, we should expect the full episode to show up sometime after Sony's E3 press conference Monday night. Stay tuned."


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