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Title: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 19, 2012, 06:17:44 PM
Anyone interested in this? Developed by Imageepoch for PSP, published in NA and EU by NIS America and soundtrack composed by Manabu Namiki (http://vgmdb.net/artist/249).

Story:

"The story takes place in 2032 AD after Earth has been assaulted by aliens for 19 years. A battle android named BRS is created solely for the purpose of saving Earth, but she comes to find that only 12 human beings are left on the planet. Kazushige Nojima (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazushige_Nojima) (Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, Last Order Final Fantasy VII) is the scenario writer and Kazuya Niinou (http://www.giantbomb.com/kazuya-niinou/72-91079/) (Trauma Center: Under the Knife, Etrian Odyssey) is the director of the project."

Videos:

Battle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYUbgZKOd5g)
JP CM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_t0TOaUFJw)

Music:

mission : Black Trike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypipWkMSrug)
Alien class.A 'SZZU & CKRY / LLWO' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXAbqVAsZeQ)
Alien class.A 'XNFE / SAHA' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Qe3f3RXHnIo)
WRS the Game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSNbVOGPcys)

For now there's no release date (at least that I know of).
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Kevadu on March 19, 2012, 06:20:56 PM
I guess there wasn't actually a dedicated thread for this...it's certainly been discussed in other threads.

Yeah, I'm interested in the game.  I am starting to wonder if it's ever actually getting a release though.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Dincrest on March 19, 2012, 07:56:15 PM
I liked the music.  http://www.rpgfan.com/soundtracks/blackrockshooter/
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Cyril on March 19, 2012, 10:07:19 PM
I'd say if NISA doesn't mention it at their press event, it's been cancelled.  I don't think we should judge until then.

I heard the event is early this year. Any exact date on it?
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: cj_iwakura on March 20, 2012, 09:13:14 AM
Sounds like it'll be good, but yeah, the lack of any information whatsoever is more than a little worrisome. They announced this months ago, and they haven't said a WORD since.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Ramza on March 20, 2012, 12:35:55 PM
I spoke with Ryan and Jack from NISA about all their projects in January, and when we talked about BRS they sounded excited and were certainly still working on it. I wouldn't assume it's cancelled, just that they still have awhile to go before it launches. Like, 3Q or 4Q 2012.

http://gameosaurus.com/roahr/2012/02/jurassic-hour-27-all-the-alls/
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: cj_iwakura on March 20, 2012, 01:02:20 PM
Good to know, but that's a risky timeframe for a PSP game.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Dice on March 20, 2012, 01:25:02 PM
Good to know, but that's a risky timeframe for a PSP game.

I think by this point, a company would be foolish not to do a simultaneous release on the Vita marketplace as well...
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Eusis on March 20, 2012, 01:35:05 PM
Good to know, but that's a risky timeframe for a PSP game.

I think by this point, a company would be foolish not to do a simultaneous release on the Vita marketplace as well...
At this point that may fall on my Sony updating the Vita compatibility. They weren't timely for Hakuoki, hell I'm not even sure it IS supported yet, and that sort of thing could push me to still get physical versions of some of the last PSP games.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Kevadu on April 08, 2012, 12:09:37 PM
For what it's worth I was at the NIS America panel at Sakura-con yesterday and they were asked about Black Rock Shooter.  They insisted that it actually is still coming but they could not talk about any details at this point.  But whatever they're doing it didn't sound like it was canceled.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Logick on April 09, 2012, 01:13:04 PM
Don't be surprised if its DD only.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Cyril on April 09, 2012, 01:22:48 PM
Don't be surprised if its DD only.

The game will be, but NISA looked into releasing a premium set anyway:
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/09/26/black-rock-shooter-fans-we-need-your-help-to-bring-the-premium-box-out-of-japan/

If you'll notice:
Update: We spoke with NIS America and there is one more change for the box set. It will not include a UMD version of the game. The North American version will include the White Rock Shooter figma, art book, and soundtrack CD minus the song from One OK Rock.

It being download-only is, literally, a given at this point.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: cj_iwakura on April 09, 2012, 02:47:57 PM
Won't that be the first CE of a game to ever, uh, not come with the game?
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Cyril on April 09, 2012, 02:59:40 PM
It probably comes with a download code.  It does just say "No UMD version."
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Zendervai on April 09, 2012, 03:15:12 PM
Patapon 2 was released with a physical box even though there was no UMD. It wasn't a special edition, but this isn't completely unprecendented.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 09, 2012, 08:05:55 PM
I will be playing this on a Vita, so I have no problems with the game not being released with a UMD.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: kyuusei on April 05, 2013, 05:34:08 PM
Doing some serious necroposting here:

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2013/1226.html

No Canada makes me sad.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Eusis on April 05, 2013, 05:36:52 PM
How the fuck do you skip Canada? Is this just some delayed thing, or a badly written contract they won't bother to fix?
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Kevadu on April 05, 2013, 05:37:11 PM
I didn't expect that...
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Klyde Chroma on April 05, 2013, 05:44:05 PM
Wow, this really came out of left field! I was pretty excited about this a year ago before my hope completely dwindled without hearing so much as a peep about it.

Too bad its only digital too, not that I can really expect much else at this point. This totally had the potential of being a an awesome LE with all the cool BRS figurines and whatnot.

In any event, this is certainly one I will get to in time. I highly doubt I'm gonna make it a day 1 priority though. It never does seem as pressing for me to get to it when its download-only.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: kyuusei on April 05, 2013, 05:58:15 PM
Press release states copyright issues for Canada and Mexico not getting it.

Looks like I'll have to borrow a US PSP or something. Rarely do I want NISA games and then this happens.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Kevadu on April 05, 2013, 06:13:57 PM
There isn't any region locking on the PSP.  What I imagine you need would just be a US account or a US address or something.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: cj_iwakura on April 05, 2013, 06:54:01 PM
Yeah, exactly. I doubt you'll have a hard time getting around this.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Annubis on April 05, 2013, 07:32:56 PM
I don't see any copyright registration for Black Rock Shooter in Canada =/
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: kyuusei on April 05, 2013, 07:44:02 PM
My post was supposed to say copyright issues (restrictions that is). Not issued. Meaning yeah, they probably couldn't copyright it in those areas and not release the game there. :P

And yes, I know I can still get it. It's just inconvenient/kind of harder to get. I've never messed around with more than one PSN account either.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: cj_iwakura on April 05, 2013, 07:49:22 PM
My post was supposed to say copyright issues (restrictions that is). Not issued. Meaning yeah, they probably couldn't copyright it in those areas and not release the game there. :P

And yes, I know I can still get it. It's just inconvenient/kind of harder to get. I've never messed around with more than one PSN account either.

It's a great idea if you have an interest in importing, getting free JP demos of stuff that will never get localized is a cinch.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: kyuusei on April 05, 2013, 07:51:08 PM
I have absolutely zero interest in importing, otherwise I would have looked into multiple/other region accounts ages ago...

Plus this kind of thing (US but no Canada) never happens.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Kevadu on April 05, 2013, 07:57:10 PM
The PSP is a little weird because accounts aren't tied into the system the way they are on the PS3 and Vita.  You basically have your PSN log-in credentials and what acount the system is activated under, but they can be completely different.

What I used to do with my PSP was just do all my downloading on my PS3 (which easily supports multiple accounts), and then when I copied the game over to the PSP it gives the option to change its activation right then if they don't match up.  You can access the store directly from a PSP, of course, but it wasn't really made with multiple accounts in mind so you would have to manually re-enter everything whever you changed back and forth.

Of course it's still easier to swap accounts on a PSP than the Vita, grr.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Kevadu on April 24, 2013, 12:27:33 AM
So is this like out now?  Anyone tried it yet?
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: cj_iwakura on April 24, 2013, 07:01:49 PM
So is this like out now?  Anyone tried it yet?

Yes and yes. I enjoy it enough, though like Fate/Extra, it has some questionable design decisions.
(Like, why can't I preempt enemies on the field?)

It's fun enough, and the music is great. I like the aesthetics of the game as well.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Kevadu on May 06, 2013, 01:53:24 PM
I see the review (http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/Black_Rock_Shooter/index.html) is up.

I had to comment, though, that the review refers to the game as being based on the anime a few times, but that really isn't true from what I understand. Other than featuring a character named Black Rock Shooter I don't think they have anything to do with each other.  Rather, BRS started as a simple character illustration on pixiv, which inspired a popular Vocaloid song, which then led to figures and merchandising of the characer, and finally the anime and game.  But story-wise...well, BRS never had a story in the first place.  The details had to be made up.  And it's not as if everyone made up the same thing...

Yeah, it's weird I know.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Zendervai on May 06, 2013, 01:57:10 PM
I think the pattern was Vocaloid, Song, anime OVA, Anime series, Game (those last two can be switched around since I think they were started around the same time).
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Kevadu on May 06, 2013, 02:10:40 PM
Not sure what you mean by 'Vocaloid' there.  The song was a Vocaloid song (Hastune Miku, specifically), but there was never a BRS Vocaloid character.  The character began as just an illustration by the artist Huke.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Dice on May 06, 2013, 02:47:51 PM
I see the review (http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/Black_Rock_Shooter/index.html) is up.

I had to comment, though, that the review refers to the game as being based on the anime a few times, but that really isn't true from what I understand. Other than featuring a character named Black Rock Shooter I don't think they have anything to do with each other.  Rather, BRS started as a simple character illustration on pixiv, which inspired a popular Vocaloid song, which then led to figures and merchandising of the characer, and finally the anime and game.  But story-wise...well, BRS never had a story in the first place.  The details had to be made up.  And it's not as if everyone made up the same thing...

Yeah, it's weird I know.

^ that's one of those things that I'd call nuance but a fan would probably turn into the Roman guard and crucify someone on.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Tooker on May 06, 2013, 03:28:45 PM
Thanks, Dice. :)  I, for one, would certainly argue for your point of view.  I see Kevadu's point, though, that "based on" can be more tricky than it seems.

In this case, as a reviewer, you have to decide how much info actually matters to the review.  In this case, the game's plot is so bare-bones that it didn't make sense to delve any more deeply into the source material.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Dice on May 06, 2013, 04:07:18 PM
sorry if I sounded like a prick...
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Starmongoose on May 06, 2013, 04:11:34 PM
This is like that time I said in my review of of Chanteilse that it was the successor to Recettear and I got 20 emails telling me that Chantelise came out first in Japan. Yes, I knew that when I wrote the review, but it came over here after Recettear and that's what it's going to be compared too. ಠ_ಠ

Sorry, I kept that one inside for a while.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Tooker on May 06, 2013, 04:21:09 PM
sorry if I sounded like a prick...

Absolutely not.  I was just trying to say that I can understand both points of view.  But that I agree with you. :)

On the upside, Star, you know that at least 20 people read your review...
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Starmongoose on May 06, 2013, 04:30:29 PM
Haha, I would hope well over 20 people. :P

I totally get what Tooker says about whether or not its important to the review. There is absolutely no need to include a paragraph detailing its bizarre history from song to game. Maybe if someone was making a big feature about the game, which seems more than it deserves, it would be included but a review isn't a wikipedia page.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Kevadu on May 06, 2013, 04:32:50 PM
I'm not suggesting you talk about the whole history, it's just that saying it's based on the anime isn't really accurate.  Maybe 'related to' would be better.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Dice on May 06, 2013, 04:58:58 PM
Please inform us if there are any emails with regards to the BRS review. xD
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Tooker on May 06, 2013, 05:12:36 PM
Oh I will. :)  It'd be pretty surprising.  In about 5 1/2 years, I think I've averaged less than 1 actual email/PM per year regarding one of my reviews.  I can remember one compliment, one complaint, and most recently, one question.

Of course, having heard from Kim about the responses she's gotten to her perfectly reasonable and high-quality reviews now that she's getting paid to do this, I'm not sure that more comments is a good thing.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Ramza on May 06, 2013, 06:40:50 PM
Wow. I'm a little surprised by this review Tooks!

I didn't look to see what anyone else had to say before playing. I just dove head-first. And while I agree with you that there's a TON of missed potential here, the core concepts of the game (both the mechanics of the combat, and the overall arc of the story) are fantastic as they are. For a $20 PSN game I'd have given it somewhere in the 80% range.

There are so many spoiler-specific details I want to talk about with other human beings. So if someone wants to start the spoiler /code stuff, I have things I want to discuss / analyze! I really like the bleakness of this world. I thought scenario writer Kazushige Nojima (whose other works I tend to enjoy) did a great job!
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: cj_iwakura on May 06, 2013, 07:51:32 PM
I love the music, graphics, and general aesthetics of the game, but I agree the story is the weakest part. The only interesting characters are BRS and the aliens, and they get almost no development.

I like how snarky BRS can get, and that she's not just emotionless robot girl #245.

The motorcycle segments are a blast, brief as they are.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Ramza on May 07, 2013, 07:17:27 PM
The motorcycle segments are a blast, brief as they are.

The "take no damage" challenges for the bike sequences drive me insane. I've completed 0 so far and I've attempted maybe 15 times.

I actually like the lack of development for the characters. I love that the character who gets the most development, in his best moments, is Rothcall ... and ...

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I love that his character just STARTS to become really interesting, and he has really interesting things to say about the resilient spirit of humanity, and then BAM cut down. That was an insane choice to follow through with and I think there need to be more stories that are willing to take that risk.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Taelus on May 07, 2013, 07:38:51 PM

I actually like the lack of development for the characters.


I'm pretty sure I've never agreed with this statement in anything ever. But I could be wrong. I don't think I can ascribe something I'd consider a storytelling flaw to a "bold choice." If it is a choice, that is. Hmm. Different strokes, I guess.

What I've played of this game so far hasn't really impressed me. It feels a bit clunky, and I think my opinion is going to fall more in line with Tooker's view. Still, glad it was able to be released here!
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Eusis on May 07, 2013, 07:44:22 PM

I actually like the lack of development for the characters.


I'm pretty sure I've never agreed with this statement in anything ever. But I could be wrong. I don't think I can ascribe something I'd consider a storytelling flaw to a "bold choice." If it is a choice, that is. Hmm. Different strokes, I guess.

What I've played of this game so far hasn't really impressed me. It feels a bit clunky, and I think my opinion is going to fall more in line with Tooker's view. Still, glad it was able to be released here!

I think I mainly only agree with that in games that are more gameplay first with a minimalist story (which CAN still be good), or if they're deliberately creating an odd sense of isolation.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Tooker on May 07, 2013, 07:47:19 PM
Argh - that motorcycle challenge.  I did succeed in passing one of them with no damage, but I eventually gave up on the second.  Didn't really try very many times on the third.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Taelus on May 07, 2013, 07:48:58 PM
I think minimalism is awesome too, and can be done very well-- like Dark Souls! However, I'm not familiar with the rest of the source material here, and it really feels like something is missing in this game.

But then again, could just be that I'm not the target audience.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: TiamatNM on May 07, 2013, 09:24:32 PM
I haven't beaten it yet (in stage 5) but I mostly agree with the review.  It's rare I play something so easy to make fun of.  How do these humans know they are the last people alive?  Don't they realize humanity is basically over already since they are all men?  Why do they seem so enthusiastic and upbeat when they are so screwed?  Why couldn't imageepoc just make a real action game?  Why are the enemy designs so terrible? Where's my sexy pose button? Etc etc

Despite my gripes I still like the game well enough I don't feel robbed for spending $20 on it.  It seems I estimated how much I'd like it pretty accurately.  I do think the music should have a higher score, some of the tracks are pretty badass.  The overall game is  hovering around 7/10 for me
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Ramza on May 08, 2013, 07:09:54 PM
or if they're deliberately creating an odd sense of isolation.

For me, that's how I felt about this game. If you can try to get yourself in the shoes of BRS/Stella herself, become the character ... in that scenario, life starts bleak and gets BLEAKER. I dig that.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: cj_iwakura on May 08, 2013, 11:56:08 PM
Yeah, I agree.

The end of Chapter 3 was one heck of a sucker punch. It single-handedly redeemed the story.


And my favorite non-BRS character was the commander. (Speaks volumes that I can't remember his name...)


Also, I still don't get what 'neblading' means.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: Tooker on May 09, 2013, 12:19:53 AM
They kind of give you enough by the end of the game that you know more or less what it is, but they never really go into detail.  I'm not sure that's altogether a bad thing, particularly given that the folks who like the story like that it's ambiguous.
Title: Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game
Post by: TiamatNM on May 09, 2013, 01:58:21 AM
So I beat the game and also just did the alternate ending.  I gotta say I really like the way they handled the extra content.  They only make you do the missions that are different because of the alternate ending rather than making you do a newgame+ and go through the whole game again.  The mission structure allows for this and I really like that.  I just beat the motorcycle extra mission to get it to 360km that took me quite a few tries.  Haven't done any of the no damage ones but I'm sure I can at least get the first one.  

The story works well and it kinda has an "action movie" feel to it I think.  It's not overly complicated but other than making fun of certain things it's pretty decent.  I have to say though I wasn't really surprised that
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All the humans died.  Why?  The character designs all look like fodder lol...even Rothcall.  I was kinda expecting them all to die from the get go.  When you compare how boring the human designs were (hell they almost all have the same body just swap the head) to BRS and the aliens they just look expendable from a character design standpoint (and yes I know basically everyone else in this game died too but they were bosses so duh).

I was actually expecting Nana to become WRS but that didn't happen so I was wrong there.  I'm a little confused about WRS though.  I guess she is Sing Love and she was an alien all along? So BRS is a clone of an alien?

oh also the story gets merit points for avoiding "the evil demon king/whateaver is going to be revived oh noes" and you don't kill god and hear some bullshit about making your own destiny.  points for that :)