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Title: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Annubis on April 03, 2012, 08:13:48 PM
They won against comcast, paypal, walmart...

EA VS Bank of America

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For the second year in a row, Bank of America has slaughtered its way through the WCIA brackets, only to end up in the Final Death Match against a rookie with such street cred it only needs to go by two letters: EA.

http://consumerist.com/2012/04/worst-company-in-america-2012-final-death-match-bank-of-america-vs-ea.html

Voting ends at midnight.
Title: Re: EA may win worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Humbert Humbert on April 03, 2012, 08:57:00 PM
Their devotion to fucking people over is laudable, I must say.
Title: Re: EA may win worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Ashton on April 03, 2012, 09:03:34 PM
So let me get this straight.

In a voting that includes companies that illegally foreclose on people's homes, throttle internet usage with a data cap, provide seriously shitty wireless service, violate the privacy of people daily, and/or put locks on people's accounts to prevent them from using their money, EA of all companies is fucking winning? Because of DLC or the Mass Effect 3 ending or whatever the fuck these sad little kids care about these days?

I am weeping at the abject retardation shown by the current generation. No words can properly describe my disgust.
Title: Re: EA may win worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Eusis on April 03, 2012, 09:11:10 PM
I have to admit, "shitty wireless service" and "locking you out of your games for a forum ban related to an idiot insulting YOU" can be close, if not games winning. Too bad AT&T has more wrong with it than shitty wireless service.

Yeah, people are being dumb. Their might be a few good reasons to argue for EA (relative to their industry, maybe the fact BofA DID win last year), but if you try to honestly argue that EA's worse than BofA you're an idiot.
Title: Re: EA may win worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Humbert Humbert on April 03, 2012, 09:40:35 PM
Well if we're being completely staid in our judgement then Bank Of America would hardly rank as the worst either.
Title: Re: EA may win worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 03, 2012, 09:50:04 PM
I hardly see why it should be too irritating over who is in the rankings. Contests like these are in the same bin as High School elections and Reality TV show votes; the entrants are all judged on superficial, irrelevant factors that all tie into popularity rather than any standard of quality or morality. Just like the title Prom Queen 20xx; it'll amount to jack and squat once the dance is over.
Title: Re: EA may win worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: insertnamehere on April 03, 2012, 11:03:09 PM
Looks like Activision is missing from the bracket.
HMMMM.
Title: Re: EA may win worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Eusis on April 04, 2012, 12:00:48 AM
Well if we're being completely staid in our judgement then Bank Of America would hardly rank as the worst either.

Of those there it's very hard to beat, and at the least there would've been better choices than EA. EA's smalltime compared a lot of these companies, and will stay smalltime unless they REALLY branch out their business.
Title: Re: EA may win worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Dincrest on April 04, 2012, 10:21:49 AM
Pissing contests like this are silly because the voter base is already skewed as it is.  Basically, it's people with internet access and way too much free time on their hands voting.  The working class masses who could easily tell you the worst company (and be right) probably won't be voting because they're too busy working three jobs to try and put food on the table and don't have time for this petty "first world problems" nonsense. 

Then again, most any political election (especially on the local level) is skewed anyway because who are the majority of people who get out and vote?  The elderly.  They have the time and, heck, they probably live in the neighborhood polling center anyway.  The youth are probably too drunk partying to think about voting, working adults are too stressed with work and family stuff that the polls slip their minds... so of course the vote will never represent the masses because it's the vocal minority who vote. 
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Annubis on April 04, 2012, 12:46:40 PM
Sure the data is skewed and this isn't a clear case of being the actual possible worst company...
Although I think we can agree that if you win something like this, your business practice are pretty terrible. Perhaps not the worst... but very far from the best.

http://consumerist.com/2012/04/congratulations-ea-you-are-the-worst-company-in-america-for-2012.html
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Akanbe- on April 04, 2012, 04:24:47 PM
Sure the data is skewed and this isn't a clear case of being the actual possible worst company...
Although I think we can agree that if you win something like this, your business practice are pretty terrible. Perhaps not the worst... but very far from the best.

http://consumerist.com/2012/04/congratulations-ea-you-are-the-worst-company-in-america-for-2012.html

That's a pretty boss picture though.

Disappointed that BoA didn't win.  Or Paypal.  Both suck.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Eusis on April 04, 2012, 04:55:47 PM
Something that's really annoying though is they seem to only highlight the problems EA shares with other publishers. Maybe they're worse in ways than some of the others, but I think they should be zeroing in more on stuff like forum bans blocking people from their games and STILL NOT FIXING IT (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/11/14/ea-forum-bans-are-still-affecting-games/) or at least stuff like iOS in-app purchases that end up driving the cost of the game way higher than it really should be in order to be enjoyable. I don't thinking keeping retail games expensive or whatever is as big a priority, it actually seems like if anything that they have to be MORE EXPENSIVE as an unfortunate necessity of remaining viable.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Maxximum on April 04, 2012, 05:09:45 PM
Just goes to show you what internet voting + nerd rage sums up to. From what I read here EA, is hardly comparable to the bank, but in the videogame industry, they take the title with almost no competition.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Ashton on April 04, 2012, 05:13:16 PM
I dunno, as bad as EA is to consumers, I hate Activision far worse for their treatment of their employees.

I can choose not to buy shit. It is my freedom to not purchase stuff from EA. Their employees have no such luxury. It's why I, and many others, boycotted EA years ago and why their change convinced me to start buying their games again. Activision is the new EA, but gamers are so self-centered they don't give a shit. You'd find worse conditions only in Chinese/Indian sweatshops.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: kyuusei on April 04, 2012, 05:16:10 PM
One of the worst game companies (because I have trouble choosing between them and Activision for that prestigious title, but lately it's been EA)? Oh sure. But worse than Bank of America and so many others in that bracket? You gotta be shitting me.

All I personally know of EA (they have 2-3 studios in Vancouver) isn't all that positive - long hours and many, many layoffs - but those seem to be the norm these days for ANY game company.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Maxximum on April 04, 2012, 05:16:36 PM
You cant really blame consumers looking from a consumer point of view.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Akanbe- on April 04, 2012, 05:17:10 PM
I dunno, as bad as EA is to consumers, I hate Activision far worse for their treatment of their employees.

I can choose not to buy shit. It is my freedom to not purchase stuff from EA. Their employees have no such luxury. It's why I, and many others, boycotted EA years ago and why their change convinced me to start buying their games again. Activision is the new EA, but gamers are so self-centered they don't give a shit. You'd find worse conditions only in Chinese/Indian sweatshops.

It's possible they don't know about Activision's working conditions.  I know people make fun of Activision for many things, but I haven't heard anything about their workspace.

Valve, on the otherhand, looks incredible. (http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/where-the-science-happens-the-penny-arcade-report-goes-for-a-tour-though-th)
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Eusis on April 04, 2012, 05:19:48 PM
All I personally know of EA (they have 2-3 studios in Vancouver) isn't all that positive - long hours and many, many layoffs - but those seem to be the norm these days for ANY game company.

Yeah, that's kind of the problem with the game industry in general, and it probably doesn't help at all when companies like EA buy those like Bioware that do treat their employees well (I'd be VERY curious to know if that's still the case anyway or not). Still, if employee treatment is shit from both than EA definitely gets the nod because at least Activision's trying to be consumer friendly, even though the way they handle business can be abhorrent and also result in products I don't care about.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Maxximum on April 04, 2012, 05:21:30 PM
I never really looked into the whole Activision thing either, from a consumer point of view EA is easily the winner, simply because they bring out a lot more titles.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Ashton on April 04, 2012, 05:23:25 PM
First off, frequent layoffs are a norm for programmers and any form of computer science/engineering these days, apparently. From what I've heard, a few years ago an EE graduate could find five to seven job offers in a year. Nowadays they're lucky if they find one.

Secondly, Activision's handling of the former Infinity Ward heads says everything that needs to be said about them. They treat their employees like shit, which is why I will never buy anything from them.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Eusis on April 04, 2012, 05:26:06 PM
Well, we don't know the full story behind IW. It could be that Activision were assholes, or that these guys really are no where as innocent as they like to claim, or (most likely I think) it's somewhere in between.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Maxximum on April 04, 2012, 05:45:19 PM
Truth be told, you could probably find a more noble cause for a boycott. Computer engineers aren't exactly what Id classify as "unfortunate". Even if they get the axe, there's plenty of good jobs outside of the gaming industry. Not that I think you should buy Activision crap if you don't want to, but speaking as someone who's on their merry way to graduating as an engineer in computer science, Id like to think that I have quite a few options ahead of me, and from what I've seen on the job market, it really doesn't look like there's a lack of jobs for programmers.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Ashton on April 04, 2012, 05:47:27 PM
The majority of my family is in the engineering industry. This has nothing to do with nobility - and believe me, what I said above is accurate, especially since, as I said, lots of friends/family in the industry.

And just because I boycott because of low standards of employee treatment, doesn't mean I don't have the time to lobby for or promote other causes. This is just one of many.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Maxximum on April 04, 2012, 05:54:44 PM
I tried to expand a bit on my stance, not sure if your post was in before my edit though. That's fair enough, I just never really saw computer engineers being put in the "unfortunate or mistreated" group before, caught me a bit by surprise.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Ashton on April 04, 2012, 05:56:55 PM
They have it better than some, on this I agree. It hits a bit closer to home for me since a lot of people I associate with are engineering/CS majors and have a hard enough time finding jobs already without corporations fucking them against the wall.

In general, though, I frown on any type of broad employee mistreatment (like WalMart, for instance, which is also why I never buy shit from there).
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: dyeager on April 04, 2012, 05:59:32 PM
The majority of my family is in the engineering industry. This has nothing to do with nobility - and believe me, what I said above is accurate, especially since, as I said, lots of friends/family in the industry.

And just because I boycott because of low standards of employee treatment, doesn't mean I don't have the time to lobby for or promote other causes. This is just one of many.

I'm curious about the stats on CS/Engineering versus other fields on that (layoff rates/job security/etc). My friends and family have had the complete opposite experience. I'm not disputing what you are saying, just wondering if you know of any hard data/studies on it, I'd be curious to read them.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Ashton on April 04, 2012, 06:00:13 PM
Unfortunately, no real hard numbers; all of this is anecdotal, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: dyeager on April 04, 2012, 06:00:25 PM
I tried to expand a bit on my stance, not sure if your post was in before my edit though. That's fair enough, I just never really saw computer engineers being put in the "unfortunate or mistreated" group before, caught me a bit by surprise.

I was surprised as well. It has me curious.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: dyeager on April 04, 2012, 06:01:13 PM
Unfortunately, no real hard numbers; all of this is anecdotal, I'm afraid.

No worries - you didn't present it as anything but anecdotal, it just has me interested.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: dyeager on April 04, 2012, 06:08:29 PM
The only thing I could really find was the old 2010 CNNMoney study on this but I can't really figure out what the methodology was: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bestjobs/2010/full_list/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bestjobs/2010/full_list/index.html)

EDIT: The problem is this doesn't really have what I was looking for - I was looking for something like churn rates by industry/career, and I can't seem to find that.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Maxximum on April 04, 2012, 06:17:59 PM
Truth be told, it probably has more to do with the size of the company than it does with profession. If its big enough to treat someone like a nameless cog, then there's always potential to screw people over because the decision to make cuts is made several levels above where no one really knows, or cares, who you are.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Agent D. on April 04, 2012, 06:19:26 PM
Self employed contractor for the win...notrly.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Maxximum on April 04, 2012, 06:28:32 PM
I suppose may have oversimplified it a bit since large companies have a rather complicated structure, but I think I did manage to get the general point of what I meant across.

Meh, amazing how this thread managed to go from "EA is evil" to something that actually resembles a reasonable conversation about semi relevant issues in such a short time.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: MeshGearFox on April 04, 2012, 07:43:13 PM
Woah, surprised my company isn't on that list.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Eusis on April 04, 2012, 07:55:29 PM
Woah, surprised my company isn't on that list.

You run Monsanto don't you?
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Parn on April 04, 2012, 08:19:05 PM
Not only does the contest suffer from remarkable amounts of self-selection bias, but the end result screams first-world problems.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2013
Post by: Annubis on April 09, 2013, 05:18:31 PM
And they won this year again. I guess the Simshitty fiasco happening at the same time as this contest really didn't help them.

http://consumerist.com/2013/04/09/ea-makes-worst-company-in-america-history-wins-title-for-second-year-in-a-row/
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Yoda on April 09, 2013, 05:31:09 PM
Woah, surprised my company isn't on that list.

You run Monsanto don't you?


solid
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Ashton on April 09, 2013, 05:33:47 PM
Oh look! Another example of gamers' inclination towards myopic, stupid, sociopathic tendencies!

Why am I not surprised?
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Starmongoose on April 09, 2013, 05:35:54 PM
I didn't realise gamers were more likely sociopaths. o.O


Am I missing something here?
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Ashton on April 09, 2013, 05:37:42 PM
Well, just the fact that they believe Mass Effect 3 ending and making Sim City online > foreclosing on people who don't deserve it and ruining the environment in terms of evilness makes a compelling argument for my postulate.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Starmongoose on April 09, 2013, 05:40:41 PM
It's just a silly un-popularity contest.

If asked who I thought might be more likely to change between gaming company and a bank that's"too big to fail", I'd probably say the gaming company.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Eusis on April 09, 2013, 06:48:35 PM
Woah, surprised my company isn't on that list.

You run Monsanto don't you?


solid

I couldn't remember typing that recently and started to wonder if maybe it was late and I was really drunk or something.

Turns out it was a year ago. WELL THEN.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Desert Walker on April 09, 2013, 07:24:25 PM
It's just a silly un-popularity contest.

This.  There's a difference between people trolling online and their real opinions about things.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Agent D. on April 09, 2013, 09:29:19 PM
Well, just the fact that they believe Mass Effect 3 ending and making Sim City online > foreclosing on people who don't deserve it and ruining the environment in terms of evilness makes a compelling argument for my postulate.
Isn't EA just the publisher for ME3, anyway? People really are stupid.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: dyeager on April 09, 2013, 09:57:03 PM
Well, just the fact that they believe Mass Effect 3 ending and making Sim City online > foreclosing on people who don't deserve it and ruining the environment in terms of evilness makes a compelling argument for my postulate.

I'm forced to agree that when the name of the contest is "Worst Company" I have a hard time figuring that any gaming company, no matter how anti-consumer their practices, should even be nominated.

But, yeah, silly contest meant to drive hits.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Kevadu on April 09, 2013, 10:06:28 PM
Well, just the fact that they believe Mass Effect 3 ending and making Sim City online > foreclosing on people who don't deserve it and ruining the environment in terms of evilness makes a compelling argument for my postulate.
Isn't EA just the publisher for ME3, anyway? People really are stupid.

Actually, Bioware is wholly-owned by EA now, aren't they?

In any case, bitches about the ME3 ending are some of the lamest complaints I've ever heard...
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Agent D. on April 09, 2013, 11:48:05 PM
Well, just the fact that they believe Mass Effect 3 ending and making Sim City online > foreclosing on people who don't deserve it and ruining the environment in terms of evilness makes a compelling argument for my postulate.
Isn't EA just the publisher for ME3, anyway? People really are stupid.

Actually, Bioware is wholly-owned by EA now, aren't they?

In any case, bitches about the ME3 ending are some of the lamest complaints I've ever heard...
Agreed, the game was solid, it's ending may have sucked, and it may have been a huge shitfest of bull, but 3% of fuckups doesn't take away from 97% of awesomeness.

I'm rarely displeased with EA's games, and I still think Activision as a whole should be on the worst company list.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Lard on April 10, 2013, 10:54:35 AM
Worst company? No.

Worst consumer service? Yes.
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Yoda on April 10, 2013, 12:59:31 PM
(http://www.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/legacy/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/norm-mac.jpg)
"...and topping the list of the worst job in the country again is assistant crack-whore"
Title: Re: EA won worst company in the USA of 2012
Post by: Eusis on April 10, 2013, 09:00:08 PM
Well, just the fact that they believe Mass Effect 3 ending and making Sim City online > foreclosing on people who don't deserve it and ruining the environment in terms of evilness makes a compelling argument for my postulate.
Isn't EA just the publisher for ME3, anyway? People really are stupid.

Actually, Bioware is wholly-owned by EA now, aren't they?

In any case, bitches about the ME3 ending are some of the lamest complaints I've ever heard...
Agreed, the game was solid, it's ending may have sucked, and it may have been a huge shitfest of bull, but 3% of fuckups doesn't take away from 97% of awesomeness.

I'm rarely displeased with EA's games, and I still think Activision as a whole should be on the worst company list.

I actually found ME3 disappointing period, the ending was just the cherry on top. Disappointing doesn't mean it's not GOOD though, but I did like ME1 and 2 more, sidequests came off as too pared down (it's especially bad with the quest log, how the fuck was that acceptable after so many years of doing a decent job with them?) and it felt like they frequently had to write around choices that weren't convenient to their story. Still, it's damn near the bottom of the list of problems with EA, stuff like the Real Racing 3 microtransactions are way higher.

... And, yeah, if this were just worst entertainment company I'd probably gladly vote EA in at the top, Activision's kinda shitty but they'd been good to consumers for the most part, but against some of these companies? EA's nothing.