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Title: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dice on August 22, 2012, 09:19:24 AM
http://finalfantasy13game.com/astormgathers/

I have no idea.  Third time's a charm, they say.

Cheese Level is at a steady 6 right now...
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 22, 2012, 09:33:55 AM
I'm looking forward to the announcement. I have my doubts this will actually be called "XIII-3" though, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Aeolus on August 22, 2012, 09:51:29 AM
Final Fantasy XIII-3: The even biggerest anime.

Don't know how they're going to top the fan-fiction level marty stu villain from XIII-2, but being Squeenix they'll probably find a way (and it'll probably involve Gackt in someway or another).
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 22, 2012, 10:04:38 AM
(and it'll probably involve Gackt in someway or another).

Don't even dare to joke about that. ;_;
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yoda on August 22, 2012, 12:12:48 PM
I'm looking forward to the announcement. I have my doubts this will actually be called "XIII-3" though, but we'll see.

I have a feeling they wont abandon a naming convention like that.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dice on August 22, 2012, 12:22:33 PM
I'm looking forward to the announcement. I have my doubts this will actually be called "XIII-3" though, but we'll see.

I have a feeling they wont abandon a naming convention like that.

FF13-2-2.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Maxximum on August 22, 2012, 01:55:42 PM
So lets see if I have this right, FFXIII is considered to be the one of the worst entries in the FF franchise, so it gets the most direct sequels? Despite the terrible opinion these games have, they must have some incredible sales figures behind them, either that or its an excuse to reuse assets and save some money.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Prime Mover on August 22, 2012, 02:07:18 PM
Or, think of it like this: S-E has a brand that they're forced to live with. When faced with poor opinion, instead of abandoning the brand, they have to work extra hard to fix it. Thankfully, I think FFXIII-2 went a long way to saving the name.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Maxximum on August 22, 2012, 02:15:33 PM
Square used to do that by making a new game and calling it Final Fantasy++. VIII was panned, and yet they didn't feel like blasting us with a bazillion direct sequels until they got one right. One of my personal big offenders in FFXIII was the battle system and its going to take a lot more than adding a few QTEs to make up for it. Until they change that particular element, I really don't care much for the series.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Ramza on August 22, 2012, 02:20:44 PM
Or, think of it like this: S-E has a brand that they're forced to live with. When faced with poor opinion, instead of abandoning the brand, they have to work extra hard to fix it. Thankfully, I think FFXIII-2 went a long way to saving the name.

I'm 100% agreed. I think XIII-2 was a great improvement over XIII, and depending on what they do with Lightning next, I may or may not be pleased.

Really, you can work with *whatever* franchise. Each individual game, with its story and gameplay elements, will be judged accordingly. This is especially true for anything Nomura touches. You can love or hate his character designs, but he isn't the one who makes or breaks a game. Proof positive: Parasite Eve series. First one is pretty rad, 2nd is ... well, people have mixed opinions on it, but in retrospect it's still pretty good. And then 3rd birthday is just terrible.

ALSO -- I don't know where the official source is for this, but I have it on good authority that at that 25th anniv. event, they will also be selling/releasing "Chips" albums for FFVII, VIII, IX, and X, as they did with FFXI with that "XI Chips" album released for FFXI's 10th anniversary a few months ago. And as far as I'm concerned, they can feel free to milk the arranged albums as long as the quality stays high. "Shut up and take my money" etc
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dice on August 22, 2012, 02:28:41 PM
Siliconera is saying they're going a different direction.... Curious if it'll be action oriented (I don't know where they could go from where they are anyways...unless, instead of monsters, a card-based battle system gets thrown in :P ).

I really like what Prime Mover mentioned though; and I hate the fact they're not letting 13 die (especially given the tangent 13-2 took story-wise), but I guess with the initial flop 14 was, no one wants to look back at a "dark age" for FF or something... Something just feels weird when they're trying to "fix a brand" like that.  I do think 13-2 was better, but ...your mileage may vary on that one for how much it did.

I've said it before... where's my remakes for FF 5, 6, and 7??? >=(
Rather that than this really.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 22, 2012, 03:01:35 PM
ALSO -- I don't know where the official source is for this, but I have it on good authority that at that 25th anniv. event, they will also be selling/releasing "Chips" albums for FFVII, VIII, IX, and X, as they did with FFXI with that "XI Chips" album released for FFXI's 10th anniversary a few months ago. And as far as I'm concerned, they can feel free to milk the arranged albums as long as the quality stays high. "Shut up and take my money" etc

IX seems like a perfect candidate to get the most out of the chiptune sound.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Raziel on August 22, 2012, 03:47:00 PM
Maybe a portable title?
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Aeolus on August 22, 2012, 04:21:11 PM
I'm just curious as to where they're getting the cutting room leftovers this time since I can't imagine having enough scraps left over from FFXIII-1 to make XIII-3 out of.

(Maybe they're pulling assets out of their asses FFXIV-1. Wouldn't surprise me if they did.)


Siliconera is saying they're going a different direction.... Curious if it'll be action oriented (I don't know where they could go from where they are anyways...unless, instead of monsters, a card-based battle system gets thrown in :P ).

I bet they're going to go with platforming, because it worked so very well for XIII-2. /sarcasm

Serious guess would be minigames now on top of QTEs. :v
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: (Tunnels) on August 22, 2012, 05:39:33 PM
Maybe they'll just stop making new numbered titles and just keep making direct XIII sequels. Then when they get to XIII-XIII you'll play as the Munsters.

I even got your battle theme right here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFCnvH2E-6A)!
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Pmayo on August 22, 2012, 08:32:21 PM
I'm looking forward to the announcement. I have my doubts this will actually be called "XIII-3" though, but we'll see.

I have a feeling they wont abandon a naming convention like that.

FF13-2-2.


haha! O how I hope they really do this
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Kratoscar2008 on August 22, 2012, 08:52:18 PM
If they want to die then be my guest, there are better rpgs out there than the FF series and so if they die i couldnt careless.

Lightning could fit an action game easily because in action games the personality of the MC is not as important as its actions (ie kickassering) and Lightning coul hide her COMPLETE lack of personality.

The FF name is stained beyond cleaning.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Ashton on August 22, 2012, 09:06:33 PM
Somehow I'm not surprised you hold that kind of opinion.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Alisha on August 22, 2012, 09:44:57 PM
i joked on gamefaqs that it would be a rebranded versus with lightning as the main character. that being said i recently got around to playing FFXIII and i dont fully understand the hate. areclyte steppe blew me away. and eden gave me flashbacks of lunar cry in FF VIII.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: lavarock on August 22, 2012, 09:53:50 PM
I don't think FFXIII-2 is an improvement over FFXIII.  In fact, I think it harmed the brand name even more.  Off-line FF games were always focused on strong plot and characters, but XIII was a serious step-back in that direction.  The story is confusing, the characters are uninspired and the dialogs are cliche and boring.  Instead of improving on this, the plot and characters in XIII-2 were even worse.   Nothing in this game clarify the story, the overall mythos or make the characters interesting.  And the ending was absolutely atrocious.   I was disappointed after playing 13 but 13-2 disappionted me even more.  At this point I doubt I will buy 13-3, maybe after the price-drop.  Incidentally, 13-2's price drops like a brick, it's only $20 in amazon now...
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 22, 2012, 09:56:03 PM
i joked on gamefaqs that it would be a rebranded versus with lightning as the main character. that being said i recently got around to playing FFXIII and i dont fully understand the hate. areclyte steppe blew me away. and eden gave me flashbacks of lunar cry in FF VIII.

Same here. I've been enjoying my 2nd playthrough of XIII a lot lately, and I think I'm beginning to understand how FFVIII fans feel having a bunch of people hating on a game you enjoy. :p

The FF name is stained beyond cleaning.

FF never really had an identity to protect, it never had one. Besides, what Final Fantasy is about changes with either each game or generation.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dice on August 22, 2012, 10:09:43 PM
...i couldnt careless.

I love this
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Kratoscar2008 on August 22, 2012, 10:18:02 PM
i joked on gamefaqs that it would be a rebranded versus with lightning as the main character. that being said i recently got around to playing FFXIII and i dont fully understand the hate. areclyte steppe blew me away. and eden gave me flashbacks of lunar cry in FF VIII.

Same here. I've been enjoying my 2nd playthrough of XIII a lot lately, and I think I'm beginning to understand how FFVIII fans feel having a bunch of people hating on a game you enjoy. :p

The FF name is stained beyond cleaning.

FF never really had an identity to protect, it never had one. Besides, what Final Fantasy is about changes with either each game or generation.

Im a FFVIII fan (FF5 and FFVIII, these two very underrated games are my favorite) and its a heck of a game and this one  i dont get the hate while FFXIII i completely understand.

I have enjoyed all FF games (Numbered except XI and XIII) even the allegedly worst FF being 2 i finished on the PS1 and FFXIII is just too horrendous, the gameplay is just there because its a game otherwise would be a lame sci-fi book.

Like 6 years ago i beat the original FFIII (Nes graphics english patch) and it was a great experience and FFXIII on the other hand with its jaw breaking graphics didnt motivated me to finish i got Fang and later i dropped the game entirely.

FF games had a reputation so high that you just needed to purchase the game witouth any doubts and nw you must read reviews and carefully research to know if its the game for you, FF now is just a name nothing more.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Aeolus on August 23, 2012, 02:39:51 AM
I'll say this as somebody who's sat through both games.

At least FFXIII-2 could be considered a game, if a bland one, rather than a tech demo like its predecessor was.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dice on August 23, 2012, 10:11:10 AM
I'll say this as somebody who's sat through both games.

At least FFXIII-2 could be considered a game, if a bland one, rather than a tech demo like its predecessor was.

I almost agree with this.  I liked FF13 for a while.  But after you realize ALL there is to do is fight, then yeah, I sympathize with the "tech demo" comment.

I dunno... maybe it's just the battle system that people can't love.  Turn-based that moves with such a ridiculous speed that an "auto battle" option is necessary?  FFX had quick turn-based, KH does quick RPG-like gameplay, Star Ocean and Tales have perfected real-time RPGs.

Maybe the formula is just wrong?
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Alisha on August 23, 2012, 10:40:27 AM
if you think it's slow your doing it wrong. its actually so fast i think they wanted it to be more like KH but had to keep it in the confines of an rpg. also auto battle sucks.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: beLIEve? on August 23, 2012, 11:43:46 AM
I'll say this as somebody who's sat through both games.

At least FFXIII-2 could be considered a game, if a bland one, rather than a tech demo like its predecessor was.

I almost agree with this.  I liked FF13 for a while.  But after you realize ALL there is to do is fight, then yeah, I sympathize with the "tech demo" comment.

I dunno... maybe it's just the battle system that people can't love.  Turn-based that moves with such a ridiculous speed that an "auto battle" option is necessary?  FFX had quick turn-based, KH does quick RPG-like gameplay, Star Ocean and Tales have perfected real-time RPGs.

Maybe the formula is just wrong?

in regards to the battle system i've said it before on other threads, i like what it was trying to do (quick and actiony) but the execution really didn't pan out for me. if it were either turn based or action it would've felt better cause for me that middle ground didn't really scratch the itch of either and wasn't compelling enough as it's own thing. if they made it an action based title like star ocean, it makes the lackluster characters a little more tolerable cause at least the gameplay is fun. or if they want to keep it turn based to stick to tradition they only have to look at SMT games to figure it out, it's called auto battle it makes turn based snappy and when you can turn it off at any time you can still have tactics involved too. making it so i have to stagger every enemy really killed the dynamics too there wasn't much of a strategy except stagger then dps it. so for me i'd say yes the formula was wrong.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Kratoscar2008 on August 23, 2012, 12:02:23 PM
I'll say this as somebody who's sat through both games.

At least FFXIII-2 could be considered a game, if a bland one, rather than a tech demo like its predecessor was.

I almost agree with this.  I liked FF13 for a while.  But after you realize ALL there is to do is fight, then yeah, I sympathize with the "tech demo" comment.

I dunno... maybe it's just the battle system that people can't love.  Turn-based that moves with such a ridiculous speed that an "auto battle" option is necessary?  FFX had quick turn-based, KH does quick RPG-like gameplay, Star Ocean and Tales have perfected real-time RPGs.

Maybe the formula is just wrong?

Its totally wrong, a thing i like of turn based gameplay is that you can take your time admiring enemies, characters, scenary and is you who set the pace of the battle not the game like with most action based rpgs and thats why i dont into the Tales games (And its annoying characters).

FFXIII completely obliterate the tradition of good turn based gameplay and is another plus to hate it. I dont know why people think that action based gameplay is a natural evolution of the genre.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Aeolus on August 23, 2012, 01:05:33 PM
I'll say this as somebody who's sat through both games.

At least FFXIII-2 could be considered a game, if a bland one, rather than a tech demo like its predecessor was.

I almost agree with this.  I liked FF13 for a while.  But after you realize ALL there is to do is fight, then yeah, I sympathize with the "tech demo" comment.

I dunno... maybe it's just the battle system that people can't love.  Turn-based that moves with such a ridiculous speed that an "auto battle" option is necessary?  FFX had quick turn-based, KH does quick RPG-like gameplay, Star Ocean and Tales have perfected real-time RPGs.

Maybe the formula is just wrong?

Actually. I don't think the battle system was what was wrong with the game. After all XIII-2 made itself into a fairly serviceable, if bland, game using the same system as XIII-1.

The problem with XIII-1 was that the game did not trust you with it at all. Instead of giving you most of your basic options right away you're forced through a tutorial for each and every one of them over the course of the first 2/3rds of the game. By the time you can change your party leader and rearrange your party load out, you're right outside of Space Pope's door for the first time and one awful corridor away from planet Namek for your requisite training montage. To further drive the point home you have meaningless tutorials like the weather control devices that show up in all of one area, an unreliable preemptive strike mechanic which is almost completely random, enemy encounters that almost always just sit in the middle of the corridor and are impossible to get around or ignore, rushed plot upgrades like the three elideons you get during your training montage on planet Namek, one non-plot mandated upgrade mechanic which is so convoluted that it's justifiably better left til post game due to how inefficient and farming intensive it is, and the fact that the main character advancement system (i.e. the Crystarium) is so heavily contingent on the progress of the plot that you can't even get full access to it until the post game.

The problem with XIII-2 was that the game felt low effort and presented low challenge and a high encounter rate. The only differences in time periods within the same area are where the artificial barricades are placed and what lighting/particle filter they're using. You get to make no meaningful influences on any time period since the plot would break into a paradox ending if you didn't do what was required of you. And even the non-linearity felt contrived to a certain respect due to how the plot mandated you into everything.

The worst part of both games though is just how little agency and relevance to the plot you're given. In XIII-1 every time you fight the Space Pope, he simply gets right back up again, brushes himself off, and tells you to :frogout: until you're stronger until the third time where he gets tired of this and fusion-has to the other Robo God as per his original unhindered plan. Beating that Robo God just results in a TPZ (total party zombification) save for the real stars of the show Fang and Vanille (Lightning and the others only really existed to provide moral support) then a literal Deus Ex Machina occurs, Fang and Vanille fusion-has into the final form of the main character from the anime S-cry-ed and bullshits a happy ending out of their combined asses.

At least until XIII-2 comes along to retcon it into a lovely fanfiction where Lightning is now a Valkyrie Profile rassalin' with the biggest loser Squeenix has ever set upon players as a final antagonist (yes, even worse than Shoe-in from X-2) while Sora from Kingdom Hearts shows up to team up with Serrah-chan and a goofy Moogle. Now they go along solving paradoxes, and helping others with their paradoxes, and paradoxes, paradoxes, paradoxes, paradoxes.... until they finally throw down with purple Sephiroth wielding Soul Edge in a form fitting full body suit (after like the third or fourth time) and regardless of your choices he commits suicide while simultaneously shitting the timeline and reality up as per his original plan which was impossible to stop since he had already won vis-a-vis paradoxes.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Kevadu on August 23, 2012, 01:06:35 PM
My biggest beef with FFXIII's battle system is the lack of options.  There's no depth.  The idea of abstracting control with the paradigm system was interesting but at the end of the day you only had 6 paradigms to choice from so there weren't actually many choices to make.  Every single battle could be won with the same strategy.  And I mean every single battle.  First buff/debuff, then focus on damage with some healing thrown in, and once the enemy is staggered go all with damage.  There, I just described every single battle in the entire friggin game.

Oh, and then there's the stagger system itself.  It's a fine idea, but in order to have it actually be important in regular battles they had to give even regular enemies tons of hit points (otherwise you could just kill them normally), which meant that even normal encounters could drag on and on and on.  And that's without necessarily being any more difficult, just time consuming.  How does anyone play this game without becoming bored to tears?
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dice on August 23, 2012, 01:38:25 PM
At least until XIII-2 comes along to retcon it into a lovely fanfiction where Lightning is now a Valkyrie Profile rassalin' with the biggest loser Squeenix has ever set upon players as a final antagonist (yes, even worse than Shoe-in from X-2) while Sora from Kingdom Hearts shows up to team up with Serrah-chan and a goofy Moogle. Now they go along solving paradoxes, and helping others with their paradoxes, and paradoxes, paradoxes, paradoxes, paradoxes.... until they finally throw down with purple Sephiroth wielding Soul Edge in a form fitting full body suit (after like the third or fourth time) and regardless of your choices he commits suicide while simultaneously shitting the timeline and reality up as per his original plan which was impossible to stop since he had already won vis-a-vis paradoxes.

Dear RPGfan, can we do a Quote of the Week section?? xD

I also liked...

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then a literal Deus Ex Machina occurs, Fang and Vanille fusion-has into the final form of the main character from the anime S-cry-ed and bullshits a happy ending out of their combined asses.

Kevadu makes a good point too.  I get challenge, but if Tales of the Abyss' Hard Modes, Breath of Fire I/II, and FF13 can say anything -- more HP doesn't mean difficulty.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 23, 2012, 02:00:34 PM
Opinion: The continuation of the Final Fantasy XIII "series" (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3302)

I'll just leave this here.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dice on August 23, 2012, 02:13:08 PM
Opinion: The continuation of the Final Fantasy XIII "series" (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3302)

I'll just leave this here.

Pretty bold coming from the writer of a site called "Fabula Nova Crystalis".  The comments are the best part.
But yeah, FF13-3 (or FF13-2-2 as I like to call it) sounds like such a waste of company resources with future projects sitting on the table.  What worries me is if the author, Erren[?], is right, FF13-2-2 will delay the release of Versus, KH3, FFX HD, or just moving on with FF15 (new cast and world please, most of the 13 cast is largely unlikeable).  I'm sure it's different teams working on them, but I doubt they'd be released close to each other.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Maxximum on August 23, 2012, 02:21:50 PM
But yeah, FF13-3 (or FF13-2-2 as I like to call it) sounds like such a waste of company resources with future projects sitting on the table.

That's the one thing it won't be. They have so much assets they can reuse from the previous games that this is pretty much a very safe and cheap way of making some extra cash. If anything good comes of this, it may be additional funding for shelved projects that aren't potentially terrible.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Kratoscar2008 on August 23, 2012, 02:43:28 PM
Opinion: The continuation of the Final Fantasy XIII "series" (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3302)

I'll just leave this here.

Pretty bold coming from the writer of a site called "Fabula Nova Crystalis".  The comments are the best part.
But yeah, FF13-3 (or FF13-2-2 as I like to call it) sounds like such a waste of company resources with future projects sitting on the table.  What worries me is if the author, Erren[?], is right, FF13-2-2 will delay the release of Versus, KH3, FFX HD, or just moving on with FF15 (new cast and world please, most of the 13 cast is largely unlikeable).  I'm sure it's different teams working on them, but I doubt they'd be released close to each other.

I wont mind that they used the same assets as long as something new can come up with it P3 and P4 are fine examples.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Mickeymac92 on August 23, 2012, 05:50:45 PM
My biggest beef with FFXIII's battle system is the lack of options.  There's no depth.  The idea of abstracting control with the paradigm system was interesting but at the end of the day you only had 6 paradigms to choice from so there weren't actually many choices to make.  Every single battle could be won with the same strategy.  And I mean every single battle.  First buff/debuff, then focus on damage with some healing thrown in, and once the enemy is staggered go all with damage.  There, I just described every single battle in the entire friggin game.

Jesus Christ, that's more strategy than I used. I just spammed wide attacks (especially the -agas once I got them) if they're smaller enemies while the rest cleaned them up, or spammed the smaller spells until they were staggered if it was one or two bigger guys and then went all out. Only healed on the boss fights/huge monsters. I don't think I ever buffed once...

How does anyone play this game without becoming bored to tears?

I couldn't, but my brother could, since he absolutely adores repetition in games. He spent the entire KH2 mashing X and called it the most fun gaming experience he's ever had.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Alisha on August 23, 2012, 08:44:46 PM
im pretty sure FF X HD will be out outsourced and i could care less about KH or versus.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dice on August 24, 2012, 12:46:02 AM
How does anyone play this game without becoming bored to tears?

I couldn't, but my brother could, since he absolutely adores repetition in games. He spent the entire KH2 mashing X and called it the most fun gaming experience he's ever had.

Hey now, occasional button-mash, hack n' slashes are absolutely a blast.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Alisha on August 24, 2012, 06:04:23 AM
set 2 of the same paradigm and switch everytime your actions finish. switch recharges your atb guage.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 28, 2012, 04:40:57 PM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2hoycm8.png)

Square Enix opens "Lightning Room" -Presentation for New Direction of Lightning Saga- twitter account:

"Square Enix has readied an all new Twitter account in anticipation of Friday's 25th anniversary stage event.

With the next entry in the FFXIII series being revealed, the first tweet comes from Producer Yoshinori Kitase. He explains that the account was made for this week's reveal, which will provide a variety of updates during the presentation and Final Fantasy 25th anniversary event.

You can follow the FFXIII team yourself @LRFF13 (https://twitter.com/LRFF13)."
-- Source: Nova Crystallis (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3331)

The next Final Fantasy XIII game is not called "Lightning Saga":

"The Lightning Room Twitter account (https://twitter.com/LRFF13) didn't stay idle for long. Yoshinori Kitase has taken to it once again this morning with some further insight on the next XIII project.

His latest message confirmed that "Lightning Saga", which has been used mainly for promotion – is not the true name of the project. The real name of the game they're working on will be announced on September 1st, so you'll just have to wait for it.

We can probably conclude that it won't be called "Final Fantasy XIII-3" based on these and past comments."
-- Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dice on August 30, 2012, 02:01:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/Valkyrie963/XlRDr.jpg)
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Aeolus on August 30, 2012, 04:28:57 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/Valkyrie963/XlRDr.jpg)

And soon-ish, two whole Smash Bros. games will have both been announced and released.

Also the semi-official death of the Megaman franchise.


Incidentally, the wait for KH3 has been longer thus far. Also Final Fantasies XII, the second of the XIII trilogy, and the first and soon to be second attempt at XIV have all been released.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Ashton on August 30, 2012, 04:42:42 AM
KH3's wait is longer, but it hasn't even been formally announced yet. Versus has.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 30, 2012, 04:51:43 AM
I only want SE to release Versus as soon as possible for people to shut the fuck up about it. Everytime news from FF comes there's always the grumpy bastard mumbling "Where is Versus?", and this has lasted for like 4 years already.

Though, I've always been skeptical that the game will have a decent story with Nomura being the director and Kazushige Nojima the having the role of scenario writer.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Kevadu on August 30, 2012, 06:29:05 AM
About Versus, I've been skeptical about the story since the first CG trailer was released.  Just...ugh.  Is that really what people want?

Though from what little we've seen the gameplay looked baller.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 30, 2012, 02:51:53 PM
About Versus, I've been skeptical about the story since the first CG trailer was released.  Just...ugh.  Is that really what people want?

The whole thing has potential and a decent staff behind it, is the people in charge of writing the story I'm worried about. That and how Versus seems to be (in a way) similar to FFVIII at times...

The game's focus is to examine the characters' humanity and distinguish it from the fantasy setting in other titles in the series. Nomura is "trying to propose new vision of how a Final Fantasy game can be. The game's going to be more human than the science-fiction caricature... and will focus around current world events - in that sense it's darker." -- Source: Final Fantasy Wiki

Pretty much all this ideas were also part of the development of FFVIII. The only big difference here seems to be that there's going to be more focus on the dispute between nations over the last crystal that the nation of Noctis has over the drama between characters and deities like XIII has done so far.

Oh and there's also the whole deal with the Goddess Etro who is known as the Goddess of Death in the Fabula Nova Crystallis mythos.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Maxximum on August 30, 2012, 04:58:27 PM
FFVIII did quite a few things right. The big mistake was attempting to integrate the battle mechanics into the story. That and the facepalm inducing
Quote
We all grew up together and Edea was our caretaker, but then we forgot
plot twist. If they have to choose between taking the XIII path or the VIII path, I say VIII all the way.

If they would have a look at 3D FFs and took something out of each one: the atmosphere, feel of VII, the character design of VIII, the charm of IX, the battle system of X, the fantastic vast "overworld" of XII. Then, used XIII for comparison and changed anything that matched, it would potentially form the ultimate FF game.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Annubis on August 30, 2012, 05:24:29 PM
You forgot the character history/personalities of FFVI.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Maxximum on August 30, 2012, 05:46:01 PM
You forgot the character history/personalities of FFVI.

Note the "3D" part, I never played enough of VI to be able to judge it like the newer games. I will get around to it eventually though, some say its the best FF ever made.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Alisha on August 30, 2012, 06:10:25 PM
i've never understood the fervor over versus. wich is why i made the mysogynist comment before. imo the last FF with a male lead was FF9. unless you count revenant wings? i played that for about 20 mins then returned it. i never played it but versus looks like KH without disney. let me be clear when i use the word mysogynist i do so with no malice. 
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Post by: Annubis on August 30, 2012, 07:27:06 PM
imo the last FF with a male lead was FF9.

FFX Tidus?
FFXII Vaan?
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Post by: Taelus on August 30, 2012, 07:32:19 PM
imo the last FF with a male lead was FF9.

FFX Tidus?
FFXII Vaan?

I think we were getting some sarcasm :)

Also, if Square Enix wants to become rich quick, just give me either an HD remake of FF9 or FF9-2. I will forgive them for everything else.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Aeolus on August 30, 2012, 08:21:27 PM
FFVIII did quite a few things right. The big mistake was attempting to integrate the battle mechanics into the story. That and the facepalm inducing
Quote
We all grew up together and Edea was our caretaker, but then we forgot
plot twist. If they have to choose between taking the XIII path or the VIII path, I say VIII all the way.

If they would have a look at 3D FFs and took something out of each one: the atmosphere, feel of VII, the character design of VIII, the charm of IX, the battle system of X, the fantastic vast "overworld" of XII. Then, used XIII for comparison and changed anything that matched, it would potentially form the ultimate FF game.

The list of big mistakes FFVIII made include the following:

- Making the world setting so sparse you only encounter two major world powers and a handful of towns.
- The technological disparity between the two superpowers makes you wonder why any fucks are given for one of them.
- Flashbacks to a team of chucklefucks who don't do a damn thing worth mentioning for the time you flashback to them.
- Making the antagonist's big focus trying to figure out what the hell SeeD is (and TIME KOMPRESSION).
- Not making the other Sorceress the main antagonist (and I'm not talking about Edea).
- Making you cart around a team of nameless, faceless chucklefucks (with names and faces but "whatever" "....").
- Saddling you with the worst incarnation of the Final Fantasy female lead archetype ever created.
- Starting the game off in a Japanese High School setting.
- That's also a paramilitary organization that fulfills mercenary contracts between the one active world power and a few towns.
- That only employ Japanese highschoolers to fulfill said mercenary contracts.
- Armed only with memory wiping creatures and a couple crappy weapons.
- And are told nothing useful because, aside from the main character, they're just a distraction for the real A-Team.
- And their plot macguffin princess which is the one that actually matters to the main antagonist.

But I guess the tl;dr of that list is that you shouldn't make the entire world literally revolve your main character and make his romantic side plot the game's real plot.


Also trying to cobble together a game from all those parts from previous 3D FF games is a recipe for disaster for the following reasons:

- FFXII's world is too vast for X's battle system (especially with random encounters).
- And too deserty to capture VII's overworld's feel.
- VIII's character designs are too mundane and stick in the mud for the essentric and cartoony world of IX.
- Or alternatively, try to imagine what Quina might look like in a less deformed style.
- Also have fun trying to fit charm into places like VII's Sector 6, Shinra Building, and Gold Sauser's desert prison area.
- And you can't use a Sephiroth clone (XIII-2), a Robo God (XIII-1), random encounters (XIII-2), or on-map encounters (XIII-1).
- Plus you can't use a (loosely) interconnected map (XIII-1), time travel (XIII-2), a clam lands (XIII-1), or a casino (XIII-2).
- Also Chocobos, Moogles, shops at save points, towns intergrated into the world map, gunblades, motorcycles, and dyson spheres are also out.
- Nor are Pokemon/SMT recruitable monsters allowed.
- In fact, a lot of what FFs XIII-1 and XIII-2 do are done a lot by other FF games and it would be kind of a bad idea to exocise everything.

The tl;dr is that just saying "I want this, and this, and this, and this, but nothing that has to do with this in my perfect game." is a bad way to design games.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 30, 2012, 08:23:27 PM
FF9-2.

Dude! (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/d582d79f.gif)

I don't want to see Square Enix screwing around with my childhood thank you very much.
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Post by: Alisha on August 30, 2012, 09:31:55 PM
if theres sarcasm it wasnt from me. anyone that thinks vaan is the main character in FFXII .... just no. theres a reason people were outraged when he got into dissidia. i can understand someone thinking tidus is the main of FFX but i'm of the opinion that yuna is or that tidus and yuna serve as dual mains sorta like rena/claude in star ocean 2. i'd be more willing to accept the idea that vanille is the main of FF XIII than that vaan is the main of FFXII.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Ashton on August 30, 2012, 09:34:21 PM
Actually the main of FFXII was Basch, or at least it was meant to be.
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Post by: Aeolus on August 30, 2012, 09:57:48 PM
Actually the main of FFXII was Basch, or at least it was meant to be.

It's amusing just how many mains there were in FFXII.

- Basch was the main to be.
- Vaan usurped him.
- Ashe usurped him.
- Balthier tried to usurp everybody else.
- Larsa wanted to join the party so that he could usurp everybody with his family affairs (and was more integral to the plot than pretty much anybody else even with Ashe and her Raithwall business taking up as much time as it did).
- And Panelo and Fran were just there (the former gets kidnapped once like a random NPC, and the latter goes on and on about the Mists).
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Post by: Ashton on August 30, 2012, 10:04:06 PM
Well, the story is that Basch was to be the main character, then Balthier. S-E got all pissy that the mains were a bunch of adults and not some teenage hussy, so Van was created. Executive meddling gone too far.
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Post by: Taelus on August 30, 2012, 10:32:16 PM
Well, the story is that Basch was to be the main character, then Balthier. S-E got all pissy that the mains were a bunch of adults and not some teenage hussy, so Van was created. Executive meddling gone too far.

That game should have had an awesome story. More character development and more focus, could've been as good as FFT.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Annubis on August 30, 2012, 10:39:29 PM
imo the last FF with a male lead was FF9.

FFX Tidus?
FFXII Vaan?

I think we were getting some sarcasm :)

if theres sarcasm it wasnt from me.

Yeah, I had a feeling she wasn't kidding. Somehow something in here makes her blind to things like Tidus right at the beginning of the game saying he will tell his story and is the narrator of the game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7M1_gjqqws#t=112s).
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Post by: Yggdrasil on August 30, 2012, 11:12:21 PM
Has anyone seen the trailer that shows the mythology of the FNC series? I found out about it just a few days ago, this should have been shown more prominently in XIII-2 rather than keeping it just a as video IMO.

Fabula Nova Crystallis mythology (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUlt89pbMl8)

It was released last year at the Square Enix 1st Production Department Premiere event.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Aeolus on August 31, 2012, 01:09:31 AM
Well, the story is that Basch was to be the main character, then Balthier. S-E got all pissy that the mains were a bunch of adults and not some teenage hussy, so Van was created. Executive meddling gone too far.

Well at least we have the XIII trilogy now, which was designed to hit all the Japanese demographics from the start.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dice on August 31, 2012, 02:05:17 AM
mistakes FFVIII made include the following:

- Making the world setting so sparse you only encounter two major world powers and a handful of towns.
- The technological disparity between the two superpowers makes you wonder why any fucks are given for one of them.
- Flashbacks to a team of chucklefucks who don't do a damn thing worth mentioning for the time you flashback to them.
- Making the antagonist's big focus trying to figure out what the hell SeeD is (and TIME KOMPRESSION).
- Not making the other Sorceress the main antagonist (and I'm not talking about Edea).
- Making you cart around a team of nameless, faceless chucklefucks (with names and faces but "whatever" "....").
- Saddling you with the worst incarnation of the Final Fantasy female lead archetype ever created.
- Starting the game off in a Japanese High School setting.
- That's also a paramilitary organization that fulfills mercenary contracts between the one active world power and a few towns.
- That only employ Japanese highschoolers to fulfill said mercenary contracts.
- Armed only with memory wiping creatures and a couple crappy weapons.
- And are told nothing useful because, aside from the main character, they're just a distraction for the real A-Team.
- And their plot macguffin princess which is the one that actually matters to the main antagonist.

Oh man, yeah, maybe this is why for the life of me I *could not* give you a cohesive summary to what that game was about.
I think "few towns" is a bit of a mean criticism, it had them, and they served whatever purpose.  But then Esthar comes in and I foam at the mouth that some GARGANTUAN super city is lost to the world for some time. Then there's that bit with magical Ellone, the very creepy "Lunar Cry" (where monsters all come from the moon and take a trip to earth to raise a little hell for everyone), and the very manly Sorcer*ess* Adel who spouts three lines before you do battle against him/her.

The game had some fine ideas, but shot them out like diarrhea.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on August 31, 2012, 11:02:28 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/a4muzk.png)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/nzq74k.png)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2ijgw6.png)

Customizable Lightning:

(http://i47.tinypic.com/an2ed2.png)

Oil painting by art director Isamu Kamikokuryo:

(http://i50.tinypic.com/6ehcw2.png)

"Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII" Official site (English) (http://finalfantasyxiii.com/LR/)
"Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII" Official site (Japanese) (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/fabula/LightningReturnsFFXIII/)

・Producer: Yoshinori Kitase
・Director: Motomu Toriyama
・Game Design Director: Yuji Abe
・Art Director: Isamu Kamikokuryo

PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, 2013

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Presentation in English (http://www.siliconera.com/2012/08/31/watch-the-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-presentation-in-english/) -- Source: Siliconera

News

Lightning Returns, and now she knows about timed hits (http://www.1up.com/previews/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-first-looks) -- Source: 1UP.com

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII first artwork (http://andriasang.com/con2jj/ffxiii_first_artwork/) -- Source: andriasang

What is Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII? (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3311) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII announced for release in 2013 [Update] (http://www.siliconera.com/2012/08/31/lightning-returns/) -- Source: Siliconera
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: insertnamehere on August 31, 2012, 11:32:58 PM
Or hey, maybe it'll be an iOS thing.
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Post by: Aeolus on September 01, 2012, 12:41:14 AM
Calling it now. FFXIII-4 will be Lightning Forever.

Sarcasm Edit: I absolutely love the brand new feature of being able to change Lightning's weapon model. What brand new features will they dream of next.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on September 01, 2012, 01:17:36 AM
Calling it now. FFXIII-4 will be Lightning Forever.

Lightning's Revengeance.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: ZeronHitaro on September 01, 2012, 01:44:22 AM
Calling it now: This is going to be Final Fantasy's 'The 3rd Birthday'.

Strong female character, third game in the series, single-character focus with a more action oriented gameplay mindset w/swappable outfits...yep. T3B's written all over this.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Aeolus on September 01, 2012, 02:57:48 AM
Calling it now. FFXIII-4 will be Lightning Forever.

Lightning's Revengeance.

Only if they throw up their hands and say "Fuck it! We don't know how to make games anymore. Quick, get the guys over at Platinum to make it for us."


Anyways I've been reading on impressions thus far and....
Quote from: Some Awful Goon
http://www.1up.com/previews/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-first-looks

quote:

    More to the point, though, the title "Lightning Returns" speaks to broader changes to the series. While it looks to be running on a modified Final Fantasy XIII-2 engine, its play mechanics hint at fairly radical changes to the entire concept of Final Fantasy. For starters, Lightning Returns really is Lightning's game. She's not simply the main character, she's the sole playable character. Not unlike Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII and its hero Zack Fair, the entire game revolves around her; she explores on her own, fights combat solo, and singlehandedly bears the burden of saving the world from a looming apocalypse. Surprisingly, the combat system takes an even more action-oriented style than Crisis Core. Square has completely swept away the menu-driven, hands-off system that served so effectively in the first two chapters of FFXIII, pouring its resources instead into a system that allows players to control Lightning directly in single combat against foes.

    Menus are out. Instead, players instead can assign four skills or commands to the controller's face buttons and execute them instantly. If this sounds suspiciously similar to Kingdom Hearts, realize the overlap only goes so far. Lightning fights in a far less button-mashy style than Sora and friends, with considerably less air-combo time, and she's not limited to a single use of each power followed by a cooldown period. Instead, her commands run on a Active-Time Battle gauge in the classic Final Fantasy style, and each ability comes with a corresponding ATB cost. This system doesn't employ the same fixed costs as in FFXIII and XIII-2, though, and the meter isn't segmented as it was in those games. The result is a faster-paced battle system than in any previous Final Fantasy, but a far less manic one than in the earlier FFXIII titles. There's far less screen clutter and extraneous information flying about, and the battle camera stays fairly fixed on Lightning rather than cutting to dramatic angles in the heat of combat.


I'm not sure if this is a crazy pseudo-action-RPG or the description for the world's most involved QTE.


Also this is how the time mechanic works:

quote:

    And time is of the essence in this game. Just as FFXIII spanned 13 days (revealed through flashbacks sprinkled throughout the story), LR:FFXIII also takes place across 13 days. In this case, however, that period of time serves as a countdown to an apocalypse. In just shy of two weeks, the world will end, and Lightning's goal is to prevent it.

    This may sound awfully reminiscent of The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, but I think a better comparison might be to Valkyrie Profile or Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter. As in Valkyrie Profile -- a game created by tri-Ace, who incidentally co-developed FFXIII-2 -- Square tells us that if you reach the end of the 13-day countdown without having beaten the game, you may be thrust into the final battle regardless. On the other hand, you may also be able to start over, potentially carrying across skills and materials (the developers have yet to determine the specifics). In that sense, LR:FFXIII reminds us more of Dragon Quarter, a game designed around the assumption that you'd screw things up and need to restart, replaying the quest with enhanced strength and abilities that built with every new attempt.

    What makes LR:FFXIII particularly Dragon Quarter-like is the way it treats time as a sort currency. Treasures cost time to access (the more powerful the item within, the more time required). Overclocking apparently burns several minutes per use, much like abusing the ability to transform into a dragon in Dragon Quarter added to the constant advance of Ryu's deadly D-meter, marking your progression to the inevitable end of your quest. And should Lightning fall in combat, it's not necessarily game over; rather, a menu appears that allows players to choose to quit or cast a healing spell. The rub? Casting a spell like Arise costs 100 minutes, a not-insignificant investment when you're on a 13-day deadline. Is it worthwhile to burn time and continue or simply accept failure gracefully? Trade-offs like these give Lightning Returns the potential to force interesting decisions on players, requiring consideration and long-term strategic thinking.


For the combat description, I'm going to defer to the goonpinion that this will either be something like Dynasty Warriors or that entirely QTE driven Ninja game Ninja Blade.

And I'll defer to the 1up dude that this game indeed sounds like a more Dragon Quarter-ish version of VP1 (and it even stars a Lenneth knockoff :v), however, I will add that I can totally hear the OCD pack-rat poison being poured into the bowl from here with how they're going to make you obsess over every little expenditure of time to get everything and Platinum the game with almost SaGa-ish levels of dickishness.

Also I will totally lol if this gets the 3rd Birthday treatment since the entire point to eliminating everybody but Lightning from the plot is so that nothing can stand in her way from being the rightful fan favorite she was destined to be (and constantly robbed of by having the personality of wet cardboard with a stick shoved up her sand laden neither regions). Of course if that did happen then I would have to get it just so that I can point at it still in the shrink wrap and say "And this is the exact moment when the Final Fantasy series had its final fantasy." (which is more than what I can say about the Megaman series since Legends 3 never came out).
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Kevadu on September 01, 2012, 03:10:14 AM
I don't know, the battle system actually sounds like an improvement to me.  I've gone on and on already about how I didn't like XIII's system so I won't rehash that.

Though I don't think Lightning was ever a good character and I wish they would move on...
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 01, 2012, 03:15:42 AM
Did anyone noticed how the logo for the game is similar to the one in Skyrim?
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Andrew on September 01, 2012, 04:25:44 AM
Wow, I could pretend I care, but I really don't.

I don't understand Square Enix at all.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dice on September 01, 2012, 10:39:22 AM
Wow, Squeenix is just totally killing the "Final Fantasy"-ness of the game its hero originally came from. Once again, Squeenix doesn't seem to proud of the games they've made...
I like some of the ideas they got going, except the clock aspect, but having "more control" is 90% of the time a good thing.  I'll look forward to seeing a trailer before pissing all over it.

Besides a cool design, I agree with Kevadu... she's a boring chick.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Parn on September 01, 2012, 10:55:29 AM
sometimes people use nicknames in place of their real name but lightning is special and so she gave herself that nickname but then wants everyone to use a shortened version of that nickname making everyone wonder why she didnt just call herself light instead of lightning in the first place

god she is such a stupid character
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dade on September 01, 2012, 11:02:14 AM
sometimes people use nicknames in place of their real name but lightning is special and so she gave herself that nickname but then wants everyone to use a shortened version of that nickname making everyone wonder why she didnt just call herself light instead of lightning in the first place

god she is such a stupid character

Post of the week.

Versus XIII was "cancelled" for this? Jesus Christ, Sqeenix is out of touch.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: beLIEve? on September 01, 2012, 11:15:25 AM
Wow, Squeenix is just totally killing the "Final Fantasy"-ness of the game its hero originally came from. Once again, Squeenix doesn't seem to proud of the games they've made...
I like some of the ideas they got going, except the clock aspect, but having "more control" is 90% of the time a good thing.  I'll look forward to seeing a trailer before pissing all over it.

Besides a cool design, I agree with Kevadu... she's a boring chick.
I don't know, the battle system actually sounds like an improvement to me.  I've gone on and on already about how I didn't like XIII's system so I won't rehash that.

Though I don't think Lightning was ever a good character and I wish they would move on...

i think i'm on the same page as kevadu about everything 13 related, lightning is not a compelling character in her own right but the combat might be better. the clock thing sounds like it's gonna be an annoying excuse to try to keep a frenetic pace, it might work though i kinda like the calender thing in persona 3. that said, being tied to the thirteen universe i'm soured on it enough that even if this game gets solid reviews don't know if i really care enough to buy a copy. as with everything FF these days i'm taking a wait and see approach.
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Post by: gutter2d on September 01, 2012, 02:50:10 PM
If I was an SE shareholder I would pissed.  I don't understand why SE doesn't want to make more money and is totally content losing millions every quarter?  Didn't FFXIII-2's sales totally bomb (I say that because the price of the game dropped to $20 in about a month after release)?  Very few people bonded with the XIII universe or plot; why don't they use their resources creating a game that will make them lots of money like a new Chrono Trigger game, Kingdom Hearts, Star Ocean, or Final Fantasy VII remake (which they would probably mangle terribly)?  I would much rather play a FFV-2 or FF VI-2 for the PSP or DS than this crap and it would take much less time and resources to make.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 01, 2012, 03:16:50 PM
FFV already has a sequel. Is an anime set 200 years after the events of the game and is called "The Legend of the Crystals" it has a lot panty shots and the animation is not great for what I remember, the closest thing you are gonna get from a sequel to FFV now is Bravely Default: Flying Fairy for 3DS which looks pretty nice so far.

About VI getting a sequel, hm... I don't see that ending very well for fans of that game.

a new Chrono Trigger game

XIII-2 is practically that.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Lucca on September 01, 2012, 06:27:54 PM
Just the fact the title of the game is 'Lightning Returns!" makes me want to hit squareenix with a 2 by 4. REALLY Square? You're that original?

I, like everyone else, will be glad when this trilogy is over, because Lightning is not that great of a character. Hell, I wish the main character was Noel. I'd get behind that...and he's just okay.

To SE's credit, the entire world seems to be different so I'll hold off total judgement until we get more info.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Aeolus on September 01, 2012, 07:40:09 PM
Just the fact the title of the game is 'Lightning Returns!" makes me want to hit squareenix with a 2 by 4. REALLY Square? You're that original?

I, like everyone else, will be glad when this trilogy is over, because Lightning is not that great of a character. Hell, I wish the main character was Noel. I'd get behind that...and he's just okay.

To SE's credit, the entire world seems to be different so I'll hold off total judgement until we get more info.

At least they didn't call it FFXIII-2-2: Lightning Harder, FFXIII-2-2: Judgement DayLightning, FFXIII-3: The Good, The Bad, and The Lightning, FFXIII-3: Secret of the OozeLightning, FFXIII-3: The Lightning Strikes Back, RamboLightning: First BloodFFXIII-2 Part 2, FFXIII-3: You Only Lightning Twice, FFXIII-3: Lightning and the Temple of Doom, FFXIII-2-2: The Wrath of Lightning, ect....

Also if you want more Noel then you might want to try the Kingdom Hearts series, he features in some of those games. Though like Squall, he too renamed himself to hide his involvement in the FF series. I believe he goes by the name Sora in KH.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Maxximum on September 01, 2012, 07:43:03 PM
a new Chrono Trigger game

XIII-2 is practically that.

Take that back, right now. Never, EVER compare XIII or its spinoffs to CT. Now go stand in the corner and think about what you've done young man.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 01, 2012, 07:48:23 PM
The truth hurts, is a fact of life.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Maxximum on September 01, 2012, 07:51:38 PM
FFXIII-2 is about as close to being the new Chrono Trigger as Cheetahmen was to being the new Super Mario.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Taelus on September 01, 2012, 07:55:12 PM
a new Chrono Trigger game

XIII-2 is practically that.

Take that back, right now. Never, EVER compare XIII or its spinoffs to CT. Now go stand in the corner and think about what you've done young man.

Every character in CT has a personality. Every character in FFXIII combined together, all at once, ALMOST has a personality.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 01, 2012, 07:55:39 PM
Guys, I don't care.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: ZeronHitaro on September 01, 2012, 08:07:33 PM
Actually XIII-2 is fairly similar to CT at it's blueprint level. Jump the timeline, get a new macguffin/character related to the big bad, learn a tiny bit about the big bad, jump to a new timeline. Rinse and repeat until end game.

CT just does it better because there are actual 'time line changing events' besides a change in background coloration.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Taelus on September 01, 2012, 08:33:08 PM
And my aforementioned characters with personalities!
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Lucca on September 01, 2012, 08:42:48 PM
Actually XIII-2 is fairly similar to CT at it's blueprint level. Jump the timeline, get a new macguffin/character related to the big bad, learn a tiny bit about the big bad, jump to a new timeline. Rinse and repeat until end game.

CT just does it better because there are actual 'time line changing events' besides a change in background coloration.

At least CT had an ENDING!

*badadum!*

CC...well...uh...that's a different story.

Also, the truth about Noel hurts. But he's STILL better than Lightning!
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Alisha on September 01, 2012, 09:33:36 PM
i give up...i just dont understand all the lightning hate. people say a lot of the same things about shanoa in OoE and i like her as well. i wonder if its even possible to make her likeable to you people without 3rd birthday or other M level fuck job...

CT chars had personality? rose tinted glasses people. they had about as much personality as my cat. i think some people are butthurt and taking it out on a percieved cause... durr rpg's are dying so lets blame it on fps.

having said that im not pleased that it appears to be an action game.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dice on September 01, 2012, 10:12:49 PM
I agree with Alisha that the CT characters didn't have [much] personality, and Crono didn't aside from associating his "do-goodery".  The story was much more charming than the stereotype characters (I like Frog, but his amphibian exterior and chivalrous interior was what did the trick).  They were cute and fun though. :D
I loved how CC expanded their story in whatever small hints afterwards

I agree with Lucca in wishing there was more Noel (I hope he has a prominent role still), and hitting Squeenix with a 2x4 for the stupid title.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Annubis on September 01, 2012, 11:37:40 PM
Glenn and Magus are great characters.
The rest are rather one dimensional though and they have maybe one or two shining moments in the whole game.

As for this?
I haven't played FFXIII.
I haven't played FFXIII-2.
Guess what are the chances I'll play FFXIII-3?

Actually, would anyone start by playing the third game? I mean, I don't think anyone wants to start the trilogy for the last game when the first one is so terrible.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 02, 2012, 12:23:40 AM
I've mentioned this before already, but you can play XIII-2 without even touching XIII if you choose to do so.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Aeolus on September 02, 2012, 12:43:18 AM
You could easily start with game 3 in this trilogy simply because you do fuck all in the first two anyways.


Actually XIII-2 is fairly similar to CT at it's blueprint level. Jump the timeline, get a new macguffin/character related to the big bad, learn a tiny bit about the big bad, jump to a new timeline. Rinse and repeat until end game.

CT just does it better because there are actual 'time line changing events' besides a change in background coloration.

Also it doesn't end in 12,000 BC with Lavos showing up, frying Crono with his Jesus Beam, and posting "To Be Continued....". Plus the only thing keeping you from beating the game before the designated end is Lavos posting :frogout: with his "Destruction rains from the heavens..." attack among its other nasty attacks instead of "I have the Reraise! I have Reraised now!" schtick fueled by his invincible godmode powers and a literal Deus Ex Machina (which was the exact same problem the villain of FFXIII-1 had as well).

Also, Chrono Trigger barely ever took itself seriously and only really when dealing with Lavos and 12,000 BC (even 2300 AD had Johnny and the Sewers dungeon) whereas FFXIII-1 took itself so seriously it hurt and FFXIII-2 tried way too hard to not take itself seriously at all which, more often than not, led to most of the humorous scenes being more obnoxious than funny (and of course XIII-2 still had its painfully serious moments).

Plus the reason for why you don't just settle down at 1000AD after your initial adventure of rescuing Nadia and escaping from a bum trial and an impending execution is because you want to stop Lavos and you're the only ones who even know about it let alone do anything about it. Meanwhile your reason for going after Caius after your initial adventure of stopping a giant flan from chewing away at the Crystal Pillar so that nature and the elements can weather and erode the Crystal Pillar anyways was because Noel has a beef with him for some reason and because you think he's been fucking with the timeline but he really isn't because he's also immortal and is just goading you on into fucking with the timeline for him (all the while having a timeline fucking bomb strapped to his heart so even if you do stop him he'll just kill himself on your sword and detonate the timeline fucking bomb like a motherfucking jihadist). Also there might have been something about looking for somebody's sibling or something but damned if anybody can remember.

The resemblances are indeed rather superficial at most.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Parn on September 02, 2012, 01:39:18 AM
i give up...i just dont understand all the lightning hate.

and i dont understand your obvious obsession with her

do tell why do you like her so much
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Alisha on September 02, 2012, 02:16:02 AM
put simply i like characters that go against typical gender roles. or at least the ones i grew up with. if she fought with a staff and -aga nukes i would have much less interest in her. along those lines i might of liked hope if he wasnt such a douchebag for most of the game.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 02, 2012, 02:24:40 AM
i might of liked hope if he wasnt such a douchebag for most of the game.

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3on6qPmzB1rn6ys0.gif)
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Dice on September 02, 2012, 10:49:25 AM
i might of liked hope if he wasnt such a douchebag for most of the game.

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3on6qPmzB1rn6ys0.gif)

He was???  You sure you're not confusing him with Snow who got his own Paradox ending based around being a "douchebag"????
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Alisha on September 02, 2012, 11:16:34 AM
i'm only talking about the 1st game since ive only played the demo of XIII-2 thus far.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Ashton on September 03, 2012, 11:59:01 PM
Guys. GUYS.

I have the perfect tagline for this. Check this shit out:

"Lightning DOES strike twice."

You're welcome, Square Enix.

put simply i like characters that go against typical gender roles. or at least the ones i grew up with. if she fought with a staff and -aga nukes i would have much less interest in her. along those lines i might of liked hope if he wasnt such a douchebag for most of the game.
She does not go against 'typical gender roles.' If anything she codifies them. She starts off as a insufferable bitch because she "had to do it to protect Serah" or some shit, but it was actually a worthless front to hide the weakness inside her. When she finds out that being an insufferable bitch is actually not productive in doing anything but being an insufferable bitch, she stops and basically becomes an ineffectual background character whose only purpose was to say what the party's goal was then spout out a nonsensical monologue at the very end of the game involving 'achieving the impossible.' She was not important or effective in any way, and her 'going against gender roles' only served to hurt and distance people she cared about.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Taelus on September 04, 2012, 04:00:46 PM
Guys. GUYS.

I have the perfect tagline for this. Check this shit out:

"Lightning DOES strike twice."

You're welcome, Square Enix.

put simply i like characters that go against typical gender roles. or at least the ones i grew up with. if she fought with a staff and -aga nukes i would have much less interest in her. along those lines i might of liked hope if he wasnt such a douchebag for most of the game.
She does not go against 'typical gender roles.' If anything she codifies them. She starts off as a insufferable bitch because she "had to do it to protect Serah" or some shit, but it was actually a worthless front to hide the weakness inside her. When she finds out that being an insufferable bitch is actually not productive in doing anything but being an insufferable bitch, she stops and basically becomes an ineffectual background character whose only purpose was to say what the party's goal was then spout out a nonsensical monologue at the very end of the game involving 'achieving the impossible.' She was not important or effective in any way, and her 'going against gender roles' only served to hurt and distance people she cared about.

Thank you for phrasing this more eloquently than I have thus far.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Aeolus on September 04, 2012, 06:28:32 PM
Guys. GUYS.

I have the perfect tagline for this. Check this shit out:

"Lightning DOES strike twice."

You're welcome, Square Enix.

put simply i like characters that go against typical gender roles. or at least the ones i grew up with. if she fought with a staff and -aga nukes i would have much less interest in her. along those lines i might of liked hope if he wasnt such a douchebag for most of the game.
She does not go against 'typical gender roles.' If anything she codifies them. She starts off as a insufferable bitch because she "had to do it to protect Serah" or some shit, but it was actually a worthless front to hide the weakness inside her. When she finds out that being an insufferable bitch is actually not productive in doing anything but being an insufferable bitch, she stops and basically becomes an ineffectual background character whose only purpose was to say what the party's goal was then spout out a nonsensical monologue at the very end of the game involving 'achieving the impossible.' She was not important or effective in any way, and her 'going against gender roles' only served to hurt and distance people she cared about.

^This.

The only thing I would like to add is that it's not just Lightning who's not important or effective in any way but also the player. It's amazing just how much the player is reflected in Lightning who's only role outside of shouting "WE'RE PETS!" and wanting to punch Snow in the face is to keep telling everybody to keep going forward; don't think about it, just go. And much like the player, she doesn't accomplish anything on her own; every major boss fight ends with the party being told to shut up and grind (even the final boss fight requires cutscene powers cranked to 11 to save the day); every major villain/antagonist walks off to eventually be offed by the plot (you never fight or confront Jihl, Cid dies but get's better later on so that some random mook can put a bullet in his head, that silver haired guy gets beaten but this just means he's befriended by you then promptly dies to a bunch of random encounters, and hell, I think the Sanctum guard did a better job of defeating Pulse scrub than you could after hours of grinding); and you're never allowed to even move from environment to environment (you just march from cutscene to cutscene until you hit the designated end stage cutscene which then shuttles you off to a different party or simply to a different area; kinda like how a basic platformer would do so between stages).

And once you realize this you too would be going on "WE'RE WATCHING A MOVIE!" rants and wanting to punch the director in the face for the $60 we blew on this self-conceited piece-of-crap.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Parn on September 04, 2012, 07:14:13 PM
put simply i like characters that go against typical gender roles. or at least the ones i grew up with. if she fought with a staff and -aga nukes i would have much less interest in her. along those lines i might of liked hope if he wasnt such a douchebag for most of the game.

what you really mean to say is that you want to have sex with lightning

because you are sexually attracted to her

i have seen your sig and avatar combinations and i know you are into that pervy stuff

it is okay you can admit it to me we all know what is going on

for example i have henry cavill as my avatar because he is hot as fuck and even though immortals sucked balls i would totes have sex with him
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Annubis on September 04, 2012, 07:38:11 PM
Thank you Parn for having the balls to state my thoughts.
Title: Re: Squeenix teases 13-3?
Post by: Kratoscar2008 on September 04, 2012, 08:06:58 PM
put simply i like characters that go against typical gender roles. or at least the ones i grew up with. if she fought with a staff and -aga nukes i would have much less interest in her. along those lines i might of liked hope if he wasnt such a douchebag for most of the game.

what you really mean to say is that you want to have sex with lightning

because you are sexually attracted to her

i have seen your sig and avatar combinations and i know you are into that pervy stuff

it is okay you can admit it to me we all know what is going on

for example i have henry cavill as my avatar because he is hot as fuck and even though immortals sucked balls i would totes have sex with him

There is a hentai game (I play hentai games, any problem?) where i really liked to play with Lightning, she really is a bitch after all.