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Title: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 05, 2012, 12:33:27 AM
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How will you spend your final days? (* (http://chosenxbyxetro.tumblr.com/post/52849951560/how-would-you-spend-your-last-13-days))

Director: Motomu Toriyama
Producer: Yoshinori Kitase
Designer: Yuji Abe
Programmer: Naoki Hamaguchi
Lead Art Director: Isamu Kamikokuryo
Composer(s): Masashi Hamauzu, Naoshi Mizuta & Mitsuto Suzuki

Platform(s): PlayStation 3 / Xbox 360
Genre: Action RPG
Release Date(s): November 21, 2013 (JP), February 11 (NA), February 13 (AUS), February 14 (EU), 2014

Official website(s): Japan (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/fabula/LightningReturnsFFXIII/) / International (http://www.lightningreturns.com/)

Story:

In the year 1000 AF (five hundred years after the ending of Final Fantasy XIII-2), Lightning wakes from her crystal sleep in the world of Nova Chrysalia, which is doomed to be destroyed soon. Bhunivelze - the god who created the fal'Cie deities - Pulse, Lindzei and Etro - chooses Lightning to be the Savior, a demigod figure destined to free the burdened souls of Nova Chrysalia and lead them into a new world set to appear when the old one ends. The souls of people not rescued by the Savior, including those who died before the release of Chaos, are destined to fade forever, as though they never existed.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kratoscar2008 on September 05, 2012, 12:55:08 AM
I could withstand Lightning in an action game but Hopes constant precense will be insuferable.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 05, 2012, 01:34:13 AM
・This will be Lightning's last game and will end with a happy ending. The game has just one ending.

・The first FFXIII was story driven, meaning that the story pulled the player along. FFXIII-2 was player driven, meaning players selected the story. Lightning Returns is World Driven, meaning players have to consider how they interact with the changing world.

I'll believe this when I see it (unless they're actually promising no more Dissida, Somethingsomethingryhthymandsomething, or promotional tie ins to shit like The 3rd Birthday).

Also I would say that FFXIII-2 was more 'paradox' driven than 'player' driven. Also the only real point where you can sequence break is early on and it involves hitting the brick wall that tells you to go back and do the things you just tried to skip over (not like you aren't strong enough to take said section immediately after you unlock it or that if the RNG rolls favorably you could end up with a minion that would help you bypass the challenge of the next section without missing a step; but then you wouldn't be getting enough of Squeenix's loving Caius Ballad).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on September 05, 2012, 02:32:23 AM
Clocks counting down to the apocalypse in a city where people don't age..... well then.
Quite the crap-sack world they've really made... =/
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on September 05, 2012, 03:35:50 AM
Ugh, I'm in a 'razzing' mood tonight and so much about this game just begs to be made fun of.

・This will be Lightning's last game and will end with a happy ending. The game has just one ending.

Oh, cool. Way to drain any dramatic tension from your narrative right out the gate. Not only does this lessen my desire to read your story since you already spoiled it; but really 'happy ending' plus 'JRPG' just screams 'Oh look, a miracle!' all over again. XP

・The first FFXIII was story driven, meaning that the story pulled the player along. FFXIII-2 was player driven, meaning players selected the story. Lightning Returns is World Driven, meaning players have to consider how they interact with the changing world.

Yeeeeah...I don't buy it. Sorry SE; you're no Bethesda. And even they don't really deliver on anything more then 'your choices don't really effect the world outside of a few kilometers beyond where X event takes place'.

・The game's in-game time works out to one day being the equivalent of one to two hours of real time. There will be increases and decreases in time.

Ephemeral Fantasia called. They want their game mechanic back.

・The game is meant to be played and cleared multiple times. The volume is not such that it will take many tens of hours to clear once.

Sooo...short, piddly narrative with pointless 'what ifs' just to place the 'false reward replay value' card on the table? You already said the game has one ending. That pretty much kills the 'I want to play this again' factor.

・Depending on your actions, the remaining life of the world could decrease, and the game could end before the 13 day limit.

So...you lied? If you have 'Bad Endings' then your game totally has more than one ending.

・There are some times when helping someone will decrease the life of the world.

・Defeating some enemies and clearing some quests will increase the life of the world.

In other words; your game mechanics cancel each other out and the whole 'worry about making choices regarding effects on the world life span' is meaningless since any dilemma is negated by the fact that I can go kill 50 brown wolves and magically the world lives another day.


・Lightning has become a considerably more refined person.

...*facepalms* Really?

・You can freely move around during battle. Some elements of the battle system are timing-based.

The 'Tales of X' series called. I think they're in EF's camp.

・The battle system is close to action. There's an ATB gauge.

Dude, you've got the wrong game. Paradoxes belong in XIII-2. Oh wait...you're being serious...

・During battle, you don't select menu commands. Instead, you select abilities which have been assigned to buttons.

So...you were too lazy to design a new battle engine so you just ripped off Kingdom Hearts?

・Hope will give guidance to Lightning via wireless com.

Nerdy scientist gives advice to action hero via sci-fi transmission system...give me a second...

Lightning? Can you hear me? Lightning!? Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiightniiiiiiing!?

...sorry. >>;

・The city has clocks everywhere showing the constant progression of time.

Ephemeral Fantasia just filed a police report over your kleptomania. :-P
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kratoscar2008 on September 05, 2012, 04:41:15 AM
Ugh, I'm in a 'razzing' mood tonight and so much about this game just begs to be made fun of.

・This will be Lightning's last game and will end with a happy ending. The game has just one ending.

Oh, cool. Way to drain any dramatic tension from your narrative right out the gate. Not only does this lessen my desire to read your story since you already spoiled it; but really 'happy ending' plus 'JRPG' just screams 'Oh look, a miracle!' all over again. XP

・The first FFXIII was story driven, meaning that the story pulled the player along. FFXIII-2 was player driven, meaning players selected the story. Lightning Returns is World Driven, meaning players have to consider how they interact with the changing world.

Yeeeeah...I don't buy it. Sorry SE; you're no Bethesda. And even they don't really deliver on anything more then 'your choices don't really effect the world outside of a few kilometers beyond where X event takes place'.

・The game's in-game time works out to one day being the equivalent of one to two hours of real time. There will be increases and decreases in time.

Ephemeral Fantasia called. They want their game mechanic back.

・The game is meant to be played and cleared multiple times. The volume is not such that it will take many tens of hours to clear once.

Sooo...short, piddly narrative with pointless 'what ifs' just to place the 'false reward replay value' card on the table? You already said the game has one ending. That pretty much kills the 'I want to play this again' factor.

・Depending on your actions, the remaining life of the world could decrease, and the game could end before the 13 day limit.

So...you lied? If you have 'Bad Endings' then your game totally has more than one ending.

・There are some times when helping someone will decrease the life of the world.

・Defeating some enemies and clearing some quests will increase the life of the world.

In other words; your game mechanics cancel each other out and the whole 'worry about making choices regarding effects on the world life span' is meaningless since any dilemma is negated by the fact that I can go kill 50 brown wolves and magically the world lives another day.


・Lightning has become a considerably more refined person.

...*facepalms* Really?

・You can freely move around during battle. Some elements of the battle system are timing-based.

The 'Tales of X' series called. I think they're in EF's camp.

・The battle system is close to action. There's an ATB gauge.

Dude, you've got the wrong game. Paradoxes belong in XIII-2. Oh wait...you're being serious...

・During battle, you don't select menu commands. Instead, you select abilities which have been assigned to buttons.

So...you were too lazy to design a new battle engine so you just ripped off Kingdom Hearts?

・Hope will give guidance to Lightning via wireless com.

Nerdy scientist gives advice to action hero via sci-fi transmission system...give me a second...

Lightning? Can you hear me? Lightning!? Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiightniiiiiiing!?

...sorry. >>;

・The city has clocks everywhere showing the constant progression of time.

Ephemeral Fantasia just filed a police report over your kleptomania. :-P

Thats funny :) :) :).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 05, 2012, 05:47:33 AM
・The city has clocks everywhere showing the constant progression of time.

Ephemeral Fantasia just filed a police report over your kleptomania. :-P

You know where they're not going to have those clocks. Where you can't keep an eye on it without having to dive at least three menus deep (whereas Majora's Mask did the same thing except that it had a clock front and center that told you precisely what time it was).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 05, 2012, 06:10:24 AM
@Kratoscar2008: Why did you have to quote the whole thing?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Maxximum on September 05, 2012, 12:45:12 PM
Just to make sure, this and FFXIII-3 are separate games?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on September 05, 2012, 02:09:47 PM
Just to make sure, this and FFXIII-3 are separate games?

Sweet fuck, if they don't finish this series with this game, I'm going to Squeenix HQ in Japan to slap whoever thinks continuing this series was an honestly good and conscious decision.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Bytor on September 05, 2012, 05:18:31 PM
@ZeronHitaro...that's some funny shit, having said that I'll still buy it, as (no pun intended) hope springs eternal, lol
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Parn on September 05, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
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・Lightning has become a considerably more refined person.
This is the most pathetic feature touted for a videogame, ever.  You know you've hit rock-bottom when you use an established character that is almost universally seen as vapid and useless, and have to explicitly tell everyone that they aren't as bad anymore.  It'd be the equivalent of George Lucas rolling with "Jar Jar Binks has become a considerably more refined person" as a bullet point for hyping up the upcoming release of Star Wars: Episode II.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 05, 2012, 06:22:45 PM
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・Lightning has become a considerably more refined person.
This is the most pathetic feature touted for a videogame, ever.  You know you've hit rock-bottom when you use an established character that is almost universally seen as vapid and useless, and have to explicitly tell everyone that they aren't as bad anymore.  It'd be the equivalent of George Lucas rolling with "Jar Jar Binks has become a considerably more refined person" as a bullet point for hyping up the upcoming release of Star Wars: Episode II.

At least Lucas had the decency to regulate Jar Jar to background fodder by the second movie (and like all of two scenes during Panda Bear's funeral just to cap off his worthless existence).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Agent D. on September 05, 2012, 06:47:21 PM
I think Parn's just mad cuz they haven't mentioned anything about Snow yet. After all, that was his "favorite" character.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on September 06, 2012, 01:27:26 PM
Adding time management to a series that never had it only worked in Majora's Mask because of the easy to access reset button. Timed objectives is what keeps me away from series like Atelier, and now Square Enix is basically saying I'll have to bring time management skills in order to finish the story I've invested about 80 hours into. It's like if Activision announced that in order to be successful in the next Call of Duty, you'll have to work on your RTS resource management and whatnot.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 06, 2012, 02:48:59 PM
Adding time management to a series that never had it only worked in Majora's Mask because of the easy to access reset button. Timed objectives is what keeps me away from series like Atelier, and now Square Enix is basically saying I'll have to bring time management skills in order to finish the story I've invested about 80 hours into. It's like if Activision announced that in order to be successful in the next Call of Duty, you'll have to work on your RTS resource management and whatnot.

Also the methods to either slow down the progression of time (which is almost always kept on for efficiency reasons) and skip ahead to the beginnings of the days and the nights is available as soon as you get the ocarina and Song of Time (and you find out about it from the scarecrows or a guide).

Something tells me that if such an option even exists in the first place in Batman Lightning Returns, it will only become available after you've gone and collected 100% of the game's collect-a-guffin collectables, maybe even requiring you to have beaten the final post-game boss.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Marshmallow on September 06, 2012, 06:34:32 PM
This sounds hilariously bad. Looks like I will continue to not bother with this 'series' after the shitpile that was FFXIII.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 06, 2012, 07:08:31 PM
The amount of shit this game is getting in the Internet is amazing.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Der Jermeister on September 06, 2012, 09:44:06 PM
This game's gonna suck.

Kidding, it'll be interesting to see how they handle Lightning solo, I think it could be like Parasite Eve, which I enjoyed.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on September 06, 2012, 10:00:59 PM
It'd be the equivalent of George Lucas rolling with "Jar Jar Binks has become a considerably more refined person" as a bullet point for hyping up the upcoming release of Star Wars: Episode II.

Come on, you have to be fair here.

it'd be "Anakin Skywalker has become a considerably more refined person", and it's sadly analogous due to what an utter wreck his characterization was in the prequels anyway.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 07, 2012, 06:16:33 AM
It'd be the equivalent of George Lucas rolling with "Jar Jar Binks has become a considerably more refined person" as a bullet point for hyping up the upcoming release of Star Wars: Episode II.

Come on, you have to be fair here.

it'd be "Anakin Skywalker has become a considerably more refined person", and it's sadly analogous due to what an utter wreck his characterization was in the prequels anyway.

Actually "Padamae has become a considerably more refined person" would be the best example since she wasn't a terrible retcon of a previously established character (even if it was only inferred), but a whole new character for the new trilogy who has only ever been displayed as wooden and lifeless (at least until the various Clone Wars series came out, but you could say the same for Annie).

Either way I can believe that when Lightning Forever: FFXIII-4 comes around they will replace Lightning with Val Kilmmer (I know I'm not spelling his name right but I can't be bothered to look up the correct spelling). :v
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on September 09, 2012, 01:45:21 AM
Actually "Padamae has become a considerably more refined person" would be the best example since she wasn't a terrible retcon of a previously established character (even if it was only inferred), but a whole new character for the new trilogy who has only ever been displayed as wooden and lifeless (at least until the various Clone Wars series came out, but you could say the same for Annie).

Either way I can believe that when Lightning Forever: FFXIII-4 comes around they will replace Lightning with Val Kilmmer (I know I'm not spelling his name right but I can't be bothered to look up the correct spelling). :v

The real lesson here is that all FFXIII characters are analogous to Star Wars prequel characters when it comes to growth. Except for Chocolina, who is actually an abomination that in ways makes Jar Jar Binks look a well conceived character.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on September 09, 2012, 02:19:18 AM
I'm stunned there was enough people to approve Chocolina being a good idea.

Truth be told, I actually did like her when everything around you was turning to shit, and the apocalypse was nigh.  But by that point of the game and as the plot progressed, enough brain cells died to make me enjoy simple things.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 09, 2012, 07:08:38 AM
Chocolina wouldn't have been nearly as bad if the game didn't go "By the way, she's the Frocobo." (and also give you an entire casino full of these bimbos). If she were just some random zany merchant who's big secret was that she's a terminator bot sent back in time by Future Hope or something it would've been slightly more tolerable.

Although now I can't help but suspect that Chocolina's Star Wars equivalent is either Boba Fett (in that in RotJ he went down like a complete chump after looking fairly menacing in TESB) or the Wookie homeworld (the Christmas Special version).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Bleaker on September 12, 2012, 08:21:37 PM
First day buy for me. I never hated Final Fantasy XIII, melodramatic characters are my guilty pleasure. I also found Final Fantasy XIII-2 confusing as all hell but loved it. The monster raising was damn fun. In fact the only thing I really have against FFXIII as a series is the fact that you have to go through SO MANY god damn menus to find the background of the story.

They are trying something new with this one and it seems to be interesting.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Alisha on September 12, 2012, 11:19:59 PM
having only played the FF XIII-2 demo is chocolina any worse than that one merchant in final fantasy X/X-2 . not o'waka the dude at the moonflow.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 13, 2012, 05:50:10 AM
having only played the FF XIII-2 demo is chocolina any worse than that one merchant in final fantasy X/X-2 . not o'waka the dude at the moonflow.

It's up to preference.
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Right up until you hit the casino zone then she's lame as all get out.

And that's not even touching the whole "She's the Frocobo!" thing either, which was both unnecessary and stupid as all get out.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on September 13, 2012, 02:12:11 PM
Honestly, Chocolina was just creepy. At first, I tried to ignore her, but she was EVERYWHERE, and she says more and more creepy things as you go. But the Frocobo thing just topped it off. I could live with her being an insane chocobo fangirl... but being a human reincarnation of Chocobo Chick? That made me shudder.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Maxximum on September 14, 2012, 03:18:28 PM
I'm stunned there was enough people to approve Chocolina being a good idea.

Bare in mind, its a Japanese game. They seem to like that sort of stuff over there.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on September 15, 2012, 04:25:50 AM
Seconding Chocolina being creepy.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 05, 2012, 01:25:26 AM
Toriyama: Lightning Returns will be the most "complete and polished game in the Final Fantasy series" (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3598) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

ヽ( ̄д ̄)ノ eh~

Show, don't tell.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on October 05, 2012, 02:16:17 AM
Toriyama: Lightning Returns will be the most "complete and polished game in the Final Fantasy series" (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3598) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

ヽ( ̄д ̄)ノ eh~

Show, don't tell.

From the guy who brought us "Caius Ballad is the biggest baddest most awesome perfect invincible antagonist evar. Even more so than Sephiroth, he'll be Super Ultra Deluxe Mark Two Turbo Sephiroth. :squee:" (paraphrased; but not by enough).

What I'm trying to say is that he needs to be fired (out of a cannon, and into the sun).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: insertnamehere on October 05, 2012, 02:26:19 AM
One problem I had with FF13 was that it seemed too polished, like they spent too much time working on making things shiny, especially menus.
Apparently now they'll make it shinier than ever.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on October 05, 2012, 02:31:38 AM
You know how DeLoreans are made from stainless steel so they're typically not painted?  They're just good old stainless steel color.  I knew a guy with a DeLorean who loved to polish it.  He just polished it all the time until it was super-shiny.  As a result he couldn't drive it on sunny days because the sun would reflect off the shiny hood and blind the driver...

There's a metaphor in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on October 05, 2012, 02:58:07 AM
"Most complete and polished game in the series".

And yet funnily enough the two, arguably by the theoretical majority, "best, by public reception" Final Fantasy games, that still make you money to this day; are Final Fantasy VI and VII.

One's constructed entirely out of pixelated sprites, the other hasn't had its graphics updated past horrendously deformed proto-polygonal models.

And you're focusing on 'polish' to get SE out of the gutter...why?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Iron Maw on October 05, 2012, 05:12:47 PM
Some of you guys are jumping on that statement tad too much. He's basically saying he's trying to make Lightning Return best game it can. Last time I checked there was nothing wrong with that. Of course it will be up to fans and reviewers to judge how really "polished" when it is released, but there is hardly anything offensive there.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Parn on October 05, 2012, 05:52:27 PM
It doesn't matter if it's Motomu Toriyama or Peter Molyneux.  If you and your company have a history of overselling and hyping your products and failing to meet those imposed expectations, people are going to react negatively when the hype machine returns for another go-around.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Iron Maw on October 05, 2012, 08:07:15 PM
True, but that's game industry for you, what else a developer is going to say about his/her game? At least he didn't it's going to be the best " FF " ever or something.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on October 05, 2012, 10:14:19 PM
True, but that's game industry for you, what else a developer is going to say about his/her game? At least he didn't it's going to be the best " FF " ever or something.

Except that they more or less did. They just avoided using the word 'best' by using the word 'complete' and to a lesser extent 'polished'.

The fact that the same guy is making the same promise that he made last time about something that wound up being so awful it felt like it was pulled from some Deviant Art's web comic simply doesn't bode well for this game.

Nevermind that the brand has been bereft of a good game since XI (or earlier depending on who you ask), this isn't even a flagship title which have a history of turning out poorly, and the fact that the games that this spun off of didn't work and rather than admitting defeat and starting over with a fresh new approach they've been persistently pushing the same setting, the same characters cardboard cutouts, the same deus ex machina prone to tossing out 'get out of jail free' cards, and so on.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Iron Maw on October 06, 2012, 05:27:39 AM

Except that they more or less did. They just avoided using the word 'best' by using the word 'complete' and to a lesser extent 'polished'.

Being the "best" isn't necessary being the most "polished" though as some have pointed out. For example FFVII is a FF, I would consider the most polished in series is as in it has lot's of content, fairly complex mechanics, interesting worldview, but has other aspects such as it's plot (which starts of strong), interchangeable characters, coherency etc that weaken it.  Basically,  "polish" here vaguely defined.

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The fact that the same guy is making the same promise that he made last time about something that wound up being so awful it felt like it was pulled from some Deviant Art's web comic simply doesn't bode well for this game.

I don't remember any other times when he said this game will be the "best.  I know he's hyped some details of his game, but we know pretty every developer does this.

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Nevermind that the brand has been bereft of a good game since XI (or earlier depending on who you ask), this isn't even a flagship title which have a history of turning out poorly, and the fact that the games that this spun off of didn't work and rather than admitting defeat and starting over with a fresh new approach they've been persistently pushing the same setting, the same characters cardboard cutouts, the same deus ex machina prone to tossing out 'get out of jail free' cards, and so on.

For all intents and purposes Lightning Returns existentially that, a new setting that takes place in same world with different gameplay and mostly likely new characters. It's about as fresh you can be working on a sequel outside having completely new cast. Yes it's true that mostly FF spin-off are generally lackluster, but doesn't mean it haven't been goods ones that can compete with main series. Many would argue that FFT, FFX-2, Type-0 and Theaterhythm are better than some of mainline games. I don't Toriyama needs to admit anything or can anyway. Just improve and make a good game as expected of any other FF.

BTW, attributing "questionable storytelling" to just FFXIII or Toriyama is pointless, FF (and RPGs in general) are full of DEM. FF has those problems every game regardless of his involvement, not even FFVI is exempt from this. The only difference is that some games handle it better than others, Toriyama certainly did so in FFX.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on October 06, 2012, 09:55:37 PM
BTW, attributing "questionable storytelling" to just FFXIII or Toriyama is pointless, FF (and RPGs in general) are full of DEM. FF has those problems every game regardless of his involvement, not even FFVI is exempt from this. The only difference is that some games handle it better than others, Toriyama certainly did so in FFX.

And we don't need to ask them to improve their 'storytelling' because...?


At any rate, I'm not going to touch the issues I have with FFX because I don't want to be here all night going off on that tangent. Instead I'm going to focus my beef towards the FFXIII series and its criminal lack of player agency. I can handle a dumb plot or awful characters every once in awhile. What I don't like is hallway simulators, stomped bosses getting back up shouting "you lose" even though you just stomped them, growth mechanics that require being at end game or post game to make use of, and party mechanics that take forever to be allowed to use. And when people like me complained about these issues, they were 'addressed' by throwing the book out the window and slapping on rudimentary RPG mechanics and a collectathon in an attempt at handwaving their laziness with 'progress'. My problem is that they're doing it again. They're throwing out the parties, the monster collecting, and what have you for a single player ARPG (though probably along the lines of Lightning's DLC for XIII-2). They're not addressing the problem they're slapping on gameplay mechanics that look like they were 'borrowed' from Majora's Mask.

They've already made two attempts at trying to get it right; how many more attempts do you think they'll need before they magically get 'it'? How many more attempts of theirs are you going to tolerate? How much are you willing to pay to allow these people to continue on their merry little way? How many times are you willing to listen to how you suck, how you lost, how little you matter in their grand scheme of things?

And my point here isn't about Final Fantasy XIII but of all Final Fantasies. How many mulligans are they going to need for XIV before they get it right? How many games are their board of directors going to need to meddle in? How many compilations are they going to make before they realize how awful the very idea of a premade compilation is? How many unnecessary sequels are they going to use to ruin otherwise simple and straight forward characters, settings, and plots? How long are they going to divide their resources and efforts to make games that take the better part of a decade to make? How many more years do you think it'll take 'Versus comparisons to DNF' jokes to become passé?

Me? I'm done with most of this. Bravely Default looks like its trying to move away from what Final Fantasy 'is' to become what Final Fantasy 'was', and maybe TWEWY 2 might happen to succeed TWEWY 1 successfully, but those are my exceptions; my 'chances' that I'll give them. But I'm not spending a dime on them until I know for a fact that they are worth my time or not. And I'm not going to know just because they say so.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Iron Maw on October 07, 2012, 07:04:25 AM

And we don't need to ask them to improve their 'storytelling' because...?

Your misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that they shouldn't, but rather that's just how it has more or less always been.

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At any rate, I'm not going to touch the issues I have with FFX because I don't want to be here all night going off on that tangent. Instead I'm going to focus my beef towards the FFXIII series and its criminal lack of player agency. I can handle a dumb plot or awful characters every once in awhile. What I don't like is hallway simulators, stomped bosses getting back up shouting "you lose" even though you just stomped them, growth mechanics that require being at end game or post game to make use of, and party mechanics that take forever to be allowed to use. And when people like me complained about these issues, they were 'addressed' by throwing the book out the window and slapping on rudimentary RPG mechanics and a collectathon in an attempt at handwaving their laziness with 'progress'. My problem is that they're doing it again. They're throwing out the parties, the monster collecting, and what have you for a single player ARPG (though probably along the lines of Lightning's DLC for XIII-2). They're not addressing the problem they're slapping on gameplay mechanics that look like they were 'borrowed' from Majora's Mask.

They've already made two attempts at trying to get it right; how many more attempts do you think they'll need before they magically get 'it'? How many more attempts of theirs are you going to tolerate? How much are you willing to pay to allow these people to continue on their merry little way? How many times are you willing to listen to how you suck, how you lost, how little you matter in their grand scheme of things?

But Lightning Returns is not being made to address problems related FFXIII (or XIII-2), that was FFXIII-2's job and it did adequately. LR being an Action RPG with one controllable character should be a non-issue unless you hate the sub-genre because some of the best RPGs ever made are ARPGs. This isn't the first FF game to be an action RPG either (FF Adventure, Crisis Core, Versus, Crystal Chronicle series etc). So I'm not getting your grievance here especially since LR doesn't look to have most issues of FFXIII had.

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And my point here isn't about Final Fantasy XIII but of all Final Fantasies. How many mulligans are they going to need for XIV before they get it right? How many games are their board of directors going to need to meddle in? How many compilations are they going to make before they realize how awful the very idea of a premade compilation is? How many unnecessary sequels are they going to use to ruin otherwise simple and straight forward characters, settings, and plots? How long are they going to divide their resources and efforts to make games that take the better part of a decade to make? How many more years do you think it'll take 'Versus comparisons to DNF' jokes to become passé?

Many of your complaints are fairly exaggerated or don't really link with on another. For starters you make it sound like FFXIV went through many failures (it didn't) and isn't getting fixed and being on track to becoming a great game (it is). Second, FFXIII is the only premade compilation, others were made after the fact (Ivalice Advance and FFVII Complication). Many these contained great games (i.e FFTA2, WoTL, Crisis Core etc) and were pretty well liked, so SE certainly doing something right. And your problems with sequels only really apply to the FFVII stuff and that game was hardly straight forward to begin with (FFV was the last FF like that anyway).

I do agree with you on Versus (it's completely embarrassing really) and the crazy development time SE 's console games take, but not like the company isn't still turning out quality stuff when they aren't technology handicapped. It's also not like they aren't working on sorting out those things too. The Luminous Studio engine is one of the ways made in mind combat it.

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Me? I'm done with most of this. Bravely Default looks like its trying to move away from what Final Fantasy 'is' to become what Final Fantasy 'was', and maybe TWEWY 2 might happen to succeed TWEWY 1 successfully, but those are my exceptions; my 'chances' that I'll give them.

FF hasn't become anything though. It's been what always has, which is providing a "difference experience" good or bad.

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But I'm not spending a dime on them until I know for a fact that they are worth my time or not. And I'm not going to know just because they say so.

Shouldn't this normally be the case though?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 07, 2012, 01:39:06 PM
FF hasn't become anything though. It's been what always has, which is providing a "difference experience" good or bad.

That's arguable depending on who you ask. I've seen some longtime fans of the franchise mentioning that FFVIII started the whole "Teen Drama" being the focus of the narrative which many people seem to consider the point in where the series started to go to hell.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on October 07, 2012, 02:43:00 PM
If you wanted to split hairs and exaggerate narrative emphasis you could potentially argue that 'Teen Drama' existed in Final Fantasy long before VIII was even conceived. Take Terra for example, now granted it's been forever and a day since I played the game so I can't string the analogy together as well as I'd like; but you could sum up the entire near first half of FF VI's 'plot driving force' as dealing with Terra's teenage issues, some in analogy and some directly. (Adoption, dealing with 'physical changes during her coming of age' by equating the esper body/powers to hitting puberty, ect.)

Heck the entire freaking party has to go clopping across the globe because their teenage member freaked over how she looked in the mirror and 'ran away from home'. (Again to note; just describing what happens with the right spin to make a point rather than saying that's literally the plot. XD )
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 07, 2012, 02:53:36 PM
Hm, yeh. :v

It has more to do with how that drama is presented with the characters and all that. I mean, Squall "Mr. Go talk to a wall" Leonhart was pretty obnoxious for some people. And Tidus... is an annoying dude with a heart of gold, or something.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on October 08, 2012, 03:53:06 AM
If you wanted to split hairs and exaggerate narrative emphasis you could potentially argue that 'Teen Drama' existed in Final Fantasy long before VIII was even conceived. Take Terra for example, now granted it's been forever and a day since I played the game so I can't string the analogy together as well as I'd like; but you could sum up the entire near first half of FF VI's 'plot driving force' as dealing with Terra's teenage issues, some in analogy and some directly. (Adoption, dealing with 'physical changes during her coming of age' by equating the esper body/powers to hitting puberty, ect.)

Heck the entire freaking party has to go clopping across the globe because their teenage member freaked over how she looked in the mirror and 'ran away from home'. (Again to note; just describing what happens with the right spin to make a point rather than saying that's literally the plot. XD )

I'm not going to lie and say that there isn't anything wrong with FFVI (Thasama REALLY needed to be located closer to the middle of the WoB rather than at the tail end of it) but for the most part its lack of a definitive main character really helps it out (by which I mean nobody's permanently welded into the party leader position like in there is in most JRPGs; probably to try to hide the fact that the 'main' character is a grrl which continues to be an incredibly rare occurrence, especially when not treated in a derogatory manner ala Neptunia and the like). Instead you basically have free reign over your party load out for most of the game (outside of events where everybody's scattered across the globe) so if you got tired of Terra's pursuit to understand the virtues of becoming the perfect Japanese housewife you could dump her ass and spend some time hanging with Mr. 'Suplexed A Motherfucking Train' Sabin, Mr. 'Imagine Me Breaking This Game Over My Knee. Forever' Edgar, Mr. 'Oh I'm Sorry. Were You Wearing That?' Locke, and Mr. 'Thou' Cyan.

And FFVIII's biggest problem isn't that the melodrama is awful (although that is among the biggest problems) but that FFVIII focuses so excessively over its awful melodrama that it lets it take over the whole shebang. What little non romantic side plot plot there is is horribly fragmented and discombobulated and basically serves no purpose outside of giving Squall a backdrop to protagonist on. You can basically cut the game up along its disks and have four completely different games' worth of plot with almost no overlap whatsoever (and five if you remove Lagoona from the equation) and even then they're filled with plotholes and nonsense that make no sense beyond being something for Squall to do in a dramatic way to make himself look good.

FFX's biggest problem was that you were on this supposed 'death march' that either dominated the plot or was just as quickly forgotten by it with no real middle ground. Also that the 'death march' was completely unnecessary since the way to make everything better once and for all was to not do the exact same thing everybody else did for the past 10000 years. Although I guess it still was a 'death march' in the sense that you were marching ghosts up through Japan the hallway the world. Also Seymour sucked and is the second worst antagonist in a main line FF game, beaten only by XIII's "Go powerlevel on Namek/in my Hyperbolic Time Hallway before you even think to thrash me again!" Space Pope (note: this does not include sequels, compilation titles, spinoffs, and what have you as they would love to have a villain as good, interesting, and well developed as Seymour).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Iron Maw on October 11, 2012, 09:02:00 PM
New Interview

http://kotaku.com/5950830/square-enix-divulges-on-bringing-lightning-returns-to-life

The staff talks about concept, development and how it differs from FFXIII and XIII-2.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 03, 2012, 02:36:34 PM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/nqpdlu.png)

Interview with Square-Enix's World Technological Director.

Something "different" about Agni's Philosophy will be shown in June 2013 (E3?), on "something other than PC". Based on the guy's smile, it's clearly next-gen platforms.

Lightning Returns: Development is quite advanced, they're currently showing it to focus groups to find out which element they should concentrate on to please fans. Also, he said that on a technological level, Versus XIII elements were used for this game. It will keep some elements from FFXIII/XIII-2 but will be quite different from every FF that's come out so far.

Type-0: No plan as of now, but they'd like to localize it eventually.

Versus XIII: Definitely still in development. The project is very, very ambitious according to this guy, and that is why it's taken so long. He says once the project will be fully revealed, people will be happy to have waited so long. Also, Yoichi Wada is determined to push the development team as far as they can.

FF XIV: He praises Yoshida's direction of the project, says it will be "quite different" from the original FFXIV. He also says that people from S-E outside of Japan also believe in the project, that it's not a "Japan-only" thing (whatever that means).

Source: NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43923701&postcount=1) (via: FF Dream (http://www.ffdream.com/news-14010.html))
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on November 06, 2012, 02:22:16 PM
I'm not going to lie and say that there isn't anything wrong with FFVI (Thasama REALLY needed to be located closer to the middle of the WoB rather than at the tail end of it) but for the most part its lack of a definitive main character really helps it out (by which I mean nobody's permanently welded into the party leader position like in there is in most JRPGs; probably to try to hide the fact that the 'main' character is a grrl which continues to be an incredibly rare occurrence, especially when not treated in a derogatory manner ala Neptunia and the like). Instead you basically have free reign over your party load out for most of the game (outside of events where everybody's scattered across the globe) so if you got tired of Terra's pursuit to understand the virtues of becoming the perfect Japanese housewife you could dump her ass and spend some time hanging with Mr. 'Suplexed A Motherfucking Train' Sabin, Mr. 'Imagine Me Breaking This Game Over My Knee. Forever' Edgar, Mr. 'Oh I'm Sorry. Were You Wearing That?' Locke, and Mr. 'Thou' Cyan.

Strange, I always thought Celes was the main character. Well, I guess that's the beauty of it, it's one of the few, if only, RPGs that's definitely a full cast story. Final Fantasy games often have very strong central casts though: FF7, FF9, FFX, and FFXII all have some ambiguity over the lead, even if they feature an iconic young male hero. But FF6 is the only one where it's completely ambiguous.

Really, the only claim Terra has to being lead is the fact that the game begins with her. From there, she becomes part of the team. As the game progresses, she becomes more distant, and leaves for hours at a time. It becomes more "about her" then "from her perspective", while others take the reigns. Locke always remains a strong second, but always second, and second to who? For the middle third, it felt like Celes took over for Terra (which has some out-of-game significance, since they were originally the same character during development). Then, in the second half, it's COMPLETELY thrust into Celes' hands, while Terra & Locke are the dead last characters to rejoin the party.

As for Terra's story, I rather liked what they did. They originally set her up as some sort of romanic lead, being female alongside a male hero, and questioning her ability to love. But they did a 180 and instead of going for the easy romantic epiphany, she learns to "love" a group of children that she cares for. I thought that was pretty big of them. Actually, kinda opposite of the "perfect Japanese housewife"... it's closer to her becoming a nun. There's a slight hint of romance between Locke and Celes, and maybe a tinge between Edgar and Terra, by virtue of him being a horny bastard, but any romance tends to hinge more around exploring the characters' troubled past than trying to create some titillating love train. By the end, you see Locke as a broken, but recovering character who has a long way to go before any thought of romance is even possible. Characters are left happy, but the ending doesn't bring everyone together or set them up for "happily ever after".

My god, what a perfect game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on November 06, 2012, 07:29:41 PM
I'm not going to lie and say that there isn't anything wrong with FFVI (Thasama REALLY needed to be located closer to the middle of the WoB rather than at the tail end of it) but for the most part its lack of a definitive main character really helps it out (by which I mean nobody's permanently welded into the party leader position like in there is in most JRPGs; probably to try to hide the fact that the 'main' character is a grrl which continues to be an incredibly rare occurrence, especially when not treated in a derogatory manner ala Neptunia and the like). Instead you basically have free reign over your party load out for most of the game (outside of events where everybody's scattered across the globe) so if you got tired of Terra's pursuit to understand the virtues of becoming the perfect Japanese housewife you could dump her ass and spend some time hanging with Mr. 'Suplexed A Motherfucking Train' Sabin, Mr. 'Imagine Me Breaking This Game Over My Knee. Forever' Edgar, Mr. 'Oh I'm Sorry. Were You Wearing That?' Locke, and Mr. 'Thou' Cyan.

Strange, I always thought Celes was the main character. Well, I guess that's the beauty of it, it's one of the few, if only, RPGs that's definitely a full cast story. Final Fantasy games often have very strong central casts though: FF7, FF9, FFX, and FFXII all have some ambiguity over the lead, even if they feature an iconic young male hero. But FF6 is the only one where it's completely ambiguous.

Really, the only claim Terra has to being lead is the fact that the game begins with her. From there, she becomes part of the team. As the game progresses, she becomes more distant, and leaves for hours at a time. It becomes more "about her" then "from her perspective", while others take the reigns. Locke always remains a strong second, but always second, and second to who? For the middle third, it felt like Celes took over for Terra (which has some out-of-game significance, since they were originally the same character during development). Then, in the second half, it's COMPLETELY thrust into Celes' hands, while Terra & Locke are the dead last characters to rejoin the party.

As for Terra's story, I rather liked what they did. They originally set her up as some sort of romanic lead, being female alongside a male hero, and questioning her ability to love. But they did a 180 and instead of going for the easy romantic epiphany, she learns to "love" a group of children that she cares for. I thought that was pretty big of them. Actually, kinda opposite of the "perfect Japanese housewife"... it's closer to her becoming a nun. There's a slight hint of romance between Locke and Celes, and maybe a tinge between Edgar and Terra, by virtue of him being a horny bastard, but any romance tends to hinge more around exploring the characters' troubled past than trying to create some titillating love train. By the end, you see Locke as a broken, but recovering character who has a long way to go before any thought of romance is even possible. Characters are left happy, but the ending doesn't bring everyone together or set them up for "happily ever after".

My god, what a perfect game.

Originally Terra (or Tina in Japan) and Celes were the same character before they were split into the two they are now. In fact their names reflect this as Celestina was a reference to the name of an old Spanish(?) romance novel. Also both female leads spend large stretches of time plot incapacitated during the WoB segment (as Celes gets knocked out of the plot near the end of the Magitek Factory sequence, doesn't really show up until the awkward Crescent Island sequence, and doesn't properly join up again until you're making your escape from the Floating Continent).

Plus both Locke and Terra can join as soon as you retrieve the Falcon just like everybody who isn't named Celes, Edgar, Setzer, Sabin (provided you bothered with Tzen beforehand), Shadow (provided you didn't wait for him during the escape from Witch Mountain the Floating Continent), Strago (needs Relm to rerecruit him), or Umaro (needs Mog to recruit him), although the plot directs you towards Cyan as soon as you first take off, and you might have stumbled across Terra if you took the detour down Serpent's Trench instead of up it, plus you might get your ass kicked if you try taking on the Phoenix Cave right after getting the Falcon (also the plot doesn't really point you towards it unless you find the hidden letter at Owser's Manor). But what really cinches it is that Celes can be replaced by a crappy Moogle named Kutan (also Terra will force herself into the ending sequence regardless as to whether you recruited her or not).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 22, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
"The Lightning Returns Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LightningReturnsFFXIII) and Twitter accounts have seen recaps over this past week on topics such as battle customization, time elements, and even day and night cycles.

Today, producer Yoshinori Kitase spoke up for the first time in quite a while, providing a little insight on where Lightning Returns is currently headed, as well as when we can expect some new information.

Kitase says that the development team has reached its one big milestone. The first part of the game has been implemented to some extent, and the team staff have been collecting playtest feedback. Using that feedback, the team hopes to strengthen the game. They'll repeat this several times over in order to polish the quality of the final product.

While development is progressing well, Kitase stresses that we'll have to wait a little while longer for more information.

LRFFXIII was 30% complete as of September and is scheduled for release sometime in 2013."


Source: Nova Crystallis (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3767)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: cj_iwakura on November 24, 2012, 12:17:24 PM

And FFVIII's biggest problem isn't that the melodrama is awful (although that is among the biggest problems) but that FFVIII focuses so excessively over its awful melodrama that it lets it take over the whole shebang. What little non romantic side plot plot there is is horribly fragmented and discombobulated and basically serves no purpose outside of giving Squall a backdrop to protagonist on. You can basically cut the game up along its disks and have four completely different games' worth of plot with almost no overlap whatsoever (and five if you remove Lagoona from the equation) and even then they're filled with plotholes and nonsense that make no sense beyond being something for Squall to do in a dramatic way to make himself look good.

I always thought it was funny that for a game 'about love', it paled in comparison to FFIX in telling a love story.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Alisha on November 25, 2012, 12:18:48 AM
FFix had a love story? freya?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: cj_iwakura on November 25, 2012, 10:01:26 AM
FFix had a love story? freya?

Uh... did you even watch the ending?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on November 26, 2012, 08:43:05 PM
Hell, even Steiner and Beatrix.

FFIX was all about sweet, sappy love stories. 
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 26, 2012, 09:32:54 PM
Hell, even Steiner and Beatrix.

FFIX was all about sweet, sappy love stories. 

I thought the Stein/Bea thing was perfect.  A small bonus because Beatrix had an amazing theme song.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Alisha on November 27, 2012, 04:07:39 AM
to me love stories in rpg's often feel forced or akward(sp?). and no i never beat the last boss in 9 because my ps2 laser died but to me daggar/zidane and steiner/beatrix fall into that category. also steiner/beatrix was more about them both defrosting.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 27, 2012, 01:28:58 PM
to me love stories in rpg's often feel forced or akward(sp?). and no i never beat the last boss in 9 because my ps2 laser died but to me daggar/zidane and steiner/beatrix fall into that category. also steiner/beatrix was more about them both defrosting.

Not really... Stein and Beatrix happened purely *by accident*.  They didn't like each other; it was when they thought that the other had feelings for them was when something actually happened (something that's actually....kinda realistic!).

Zidane and Dagger was cute.  Dagger felt nothing at first, possibly because Zidane made it too easy.  He was clearly torn when he thought he wouldn't see her again.  If anything, she was more the "defroster".

Certainly all sorts of love in the game: Eiko had that childhood crush with Zidane that can never happen, and Freya had that "forever and loyal" type.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Agent D. on November 28, 2012, 04:33:04 AM
You can't forget the love for your buddies...the entire start of the game was to save your performance troupe friends who got turned to stone. If that's not love, I don't know what is!
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 04, 2012, 02:27:42 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/12/03/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-has-a-world-that-changes-in-real-time/

Good to see them put more effort into planning this out than they did with FFXIII-1. Still doesn't change the fact that the 13 days time limit sounds more like an obnoxious gimmick than anything else.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on December 04, 2012, 03:02:47 PM
It sounds like they're actually doing some interesting things for this game.  I just wish they were doing them in a game that had nothing to do with FFXIII.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Alisha on December 06, 2012, 04:01:46 AM
you call that interesting? to me interesting would be reuniting FF13 cast along with noah and using FFX battle system.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Hathen on December 06, 2012, 04:20:21 AM
I'm still scratching my head as to why they insist on pushing more and more games in this world, given that direct sequels in FF seemed to have always done worse than the original, and FFXIII had a relatively mixed reception. Was this the plan all along or something?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on December 06, 2012, 04:21:55 AM
you call that interesting? to me interesting would be reuniting FF13 cast along with noah and using FFX battle system.


That's the beauty of opinions.

I'm personally not quite sure what to think about this game yet, though.  I like what they're doing with the world, and some of the details sound interesting, but from a story perspective, I can't really say I'm too fond of the direction they took Lightning in XIII-2. Overall, I don't think we've nearly enough information to make any final decisions on the game's quality just yet.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 06, 2012, 10:22:30 AM
I'm still scratching my head as to why they insist on pushing more and more games in this world, given that direct sequels in FF seemed to have always done worse than the original, and FFXIII had a relatively mixed reception. Was this the plan all along or something?

I doubt it. XIII-2 begins with a huge retcon of the ending of XIII.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 06, 2012, 02:35:23 PM
I'm still scratching my head as to why they insist on pushing more and more games in this world, given that direct sequels in FF seemed to have always done worse than the original, and FFXIII had a relatively mixed reception. Was this the plan all along or something?

I doubt it. XIII-2 begins with a huge retcon of the ending of XIII.

The music and gameplay of 13-2 were pretty damn good if it means anything.... unfortunately the rest was shit (mainly plot).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Akanbe- on December 06, 2012, 04:27:04 PM
I'm still scratching my head as to why they insist on pushing more and more games in this world, given that direct sequels in FF seemed to have always done worse than the original, and FFXIII had a relatively mixed reception. Was this the plan all along or something?

Cheaper to make the game due to reusing things, I'm guessing.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 06, 2012, 07:44:30 PM
I'm still scratching my head as to why they insist on pushing more and more games in this world, given that direct sequels in FF seemed to have always done worse than the original, and FFXIII had a relatively mixed reception. Was this the plan all along or something?

Cheaper to make the game due to reusing things, I'm guessing.

That, and supposedly they had quite a number of things left over from XIII-1 that they didn't want to go to waste.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Elincia on December 07, 2012, 03:34:31 PM
In my opinion, as Toriyama said, they're just Call of Dutying the licence. Either way you put it, one Final Fantasy a year (a year and a half precisely), even sold at 2.5 or 3 millions is much more lucrative than one big Final Fantasy every four years costing 100 million dollars. Plus, with this Final Fantasy XIII saga, Square can save money on the artistic direction, the conception of the world, etc. In short on every aspect of the previous games that are reused in the next.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 09, 2012, 02:01:16 PM
Final Fantasy XIII-2 composers reprise their roles for Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3840) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

"Familiar faces will be heading up the score to Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII.

Confirmed via a poster given away at Distant Worlds in Chicago, composers Masashi Hamauzu, Naoshi Mizuta, and Mitsuto Suzuki will be lending their talents once again to the final chapter in Lightning's saga."
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 09, 2012, 02:25:24 PM
Final Fantasy XIII-2 composers reprise their roles for Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3840) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

"Familiar faces will be heading up the score to Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII.

Confirmed via a poster given away at Distant Worlds in Chicago, composers Masashi Hamauzu, Naoshi Mizuta, and Mitsuto Suzuki will be lending their talents once again to the final chapter in Lightning's saga."


Moar Deathclok-wannabe Chocobo/Boss Fight themes? :laffo:

Or were these the people who composed the bland elevator music used in the rest of XIII-2?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 09, 2012, 03:07:45 PM
Moar Deathclok-wannabe Chocobo/Boss Fight themes? :laffo:

Or were these the people who composed the bland elevator music used in the rest of XIII-2?

Sure, and every soundtrack of FF has to be composed only by Uematsu because every other mofo is a talentless losers according to the most deluded fans of the series.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 09, 2012, 03:26:08 PM
Moar Deathclok-wannabe Chocobo/Boss Fight themes? :laffo:

Or were these the people who composed the bland elevator music used in the rest of XIII-2?

Sure, and every soundtrack of FF has to be composed only by Uematsu because every other mofo is a talentless losers according to the most deluded fans of the series.

Alright. Then name or link one memorable track from FFXIII-2 (that wasn't one of those goofy Death Metal tracks). Go on, I'll wait.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 09, 2012, 03:43:32 PM
Alright. Then name or link one memorable track from FFXIII-2 (that wasn't one of those goofy Death Metal tracks). Go on, I'll wait.

I'm not going to play that game. I respect everyone's opinion about the series but sometimes the hate gets ridiculous.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on December 09, 2012, 03:57:21 PM
Edit: Never mind. I'm an idiot who can't read.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 09, 2012, 06:49:11 PM
Alright. Then name or link one memorable track from FFXIII-2 (that wasn't one of those goofy Death Metal tracks). Go on, I'll wait.

I'm not going to play that game. I respect everyone's opinion about the series but sometimes the hate gets ridiculous.

Alright. But to be fair, I too, am well aware of the fact that Uematsu's past his musical prime barring some kind of random musical experimental success.

Plus, I genuinely don't remember much from the game's soundtrack beyond the completely out-of-place J-Death Metal, and the fact that at one point during the LP of the game I was watching, the LPers decided to play some Xenoblade music over the game's (due to the boredom of grinding to MAXIMUM POWAR!!!). The game just seem to play it incredibly safe outside of the Death Metal, just like it did with the gameplay (outside of the platforming) by adopting towns, NPCs, collectathons, time travel, reducing playable caricatures from 6 to 2, and adding recruitable monster party members.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Taelus on December 09, 2012, 08:05:43 PM
Moar Deathclok-wannabe Chocobo/Boss Fight themes? :laffo:

Or were these the people who composed the bland elevator music used in the rest of XIII-2?

Sure, and every soundtrack of FF has to be composed only by Uematsu because every other mofo is a talentless losers according to the most deluded fans of the series.

Alright. Then name or link one memorable track from FFXIII-2 (that wasn't one of those goofy Death Metal tracks). Go on, I'll wait.

Heart of Chaos, Eclipse and Eclipse Aggressive Mix, Divine Conflict, Historia Crux,  Caius' Theme, Labyrinth of Chaos, Eternal Paradox... wait, sorry, you were wanting us to not have an answer, right?  :)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 09, 2012, 10:09:20 PM
Moar Deathclok-wannabe Chocobo/Boss Fight themes? :laffo:

Or were these the people who composed the bland elevator music used in the rest of XIII-2?

Sure, and every soundtrack of FF has to be composed only by Uematsu because every other mofo is a talentless losers according to the most deluded fans of the series.

Alright. Then name or link one memorable track from FFXIII-2 (that wasn't one of those goofy Death Metal tracks). Go on, I'll wait.

Heart of Chaos, Eclipse and Eclipse Aggressive Mix, Divine Conflict, Historia Crux,  Caius' Theme, Labyrinth of Chaos, Eternal Paradox... wait, sorry, you were wanting us to not have an answer, right?  :)

I rescind my previous comments and concede my point.

Edit: Jesus Christ; I am an idiot! The idea that I was trying to convey was that I 'cede my argument'. "Concede my point." sounds way too much like terrible innuendo ("All right baby, you win. I concede my point to your hole.").
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Taelus on December 12, 2012, 01:52:06 PM
In your endo.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 17, 2012, 03:33:05 PM
(http://i49.tinypic.com/flagsn.png)(http://i46.tinypic.com/hrgaro.png)

First public Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII trailer reveal set for Jump Festa (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3861)

Lightning's new look to be revealed in Japanese magazines, first details emerge (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3893)

Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 17, 2012, 03:35:33 PM
Yep, looks about right.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 18, 2012, 01:27:14 PM
http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3897

Here's the ACTUAL outfit.  Daresay the "guess" joke image was almost right.
I *kinda* like it, it's clearly going for "cool looking"; but it's also entirely too busy for me to really dig it.  A siliconera user dubbed it "awesomely stupid", and I like that.

Now for gameplay screenies and trailers, please!!
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 18, 2012, 01:44:05 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ewfbqs.png)

This is the closest thing there is to a screenshot for now.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 18, 2012, 01:54:42 PM
I love how many exclamation marks Japanese media uses.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 18, 2012, 04:40:20 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ewfbqs.png)

This is the closest thing there is to a screenshot for now.

She's gone from collecting Einherjar to pursuing Lu Bu.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 19, 2012, 08:56:37 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/r0p4w7.png)

New scans show off the first in-game screenshots for Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=3911)

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII debut trailer leaked (http://gematsu.com/2012/12/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-debut-trailer-leaked)

Source(s): Nova Crystallis & Gematsu

(http://i.minus.com/iOYF1vPnsYjll.gif)

Haters gonna hate. (⌐■_■)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Esura on December 20, 2012, 10:40:38 AM
I like what I've seen in the trailer so far. Lightning looks very stunning in her new wardrobe too.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on December 20, 2012, 12:32:23 PM
Why does this game exist?  I completely fail to understand what S-E is thinking.  People who liked XIII (I don't understand them, but they exist) aren't going to want a completely different kind of gameplay in the third game.  People who hated XIII and didn't play/finish it or XIII-2 aren't going to jump in at this point because they're not going to have a clue what's going on.  XIII-2 didn't sell even close to what XIII did so there are a lot of those people.

Lightning is a terrible character and I find S-E's completely insistence on pushing her in everything they make these days to be baffling.  She's not Cloud no matter how much they wish she was (mind you I don't think Cloud is a very good character either, but he is at least genuinely popular rather than simply manufactured to be as such).  Not to mention that outfit...even by JRPG standards it is completely bizarre and impractical.  Such a complete mish-mash of themes...it's like they grabbed a bunch of crap from the fetish store with their eyes closed and insisted that Lightning wear all of it...at the same time.

S-E, stop milking this crap and localize Type-0.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 20, 2012, 02:07:00 PM
Why does this game exist?

Pretty sure that XIV has something to do with the whole thing of XIII becoming a "saga", that and in the 'Requiem of the Goddess' DLC chapter they left the story of XIII-2 complete but Lightning's story is still not finished (retcons and all).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 20, 2012, 04:47:44 PM
Why do I get a feeling there's gonna be cross-promotional marketing to release those sunglasses (hopefully in a less pretentious/ostentatious design...).

I was hoping her outfit would look better it context and moving around... it looked stupider.

The town looks pretty... in a Majora's Mask kind of way.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: (Tunnels) on December 20, 2012, 05:01:32 PM
The upper part of her outfit looks like N7 armor from Mass Effect at first glance. Then I see the rest and get disappointed.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 20, 2012, 05:55:35 PM
Bunch of info compiled in one post (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45625383&postcount=1925).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Humbert Humbert on December 20, 2012, 07:03:50 PM
Quote
(http://i46.tinypic.com/r0p4w7.png)
This is the closest thing there is to a screenshot for now.

Oh dear god.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/smavid/BritCry.gif)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Annubis on December 20, 2012, 07:18:03 PM
They should rename the "Final Fantasy" franchise to "Final J-Pop Idol Hollywood Blockbuster Teenage Drama -y"
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 20, 2012, 07:40:05 PM
They should rename the "Final Fantasy" franchise to "Final J-Pop Idol Hollywood Blockbuster Teenage Drama -y"

They should have started back in '99 with that.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Humbert Humbert on December 20, 2012, 08:02:01 PM
XII pretty much sidesteps that characterization, though.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 20, 2012, 09:23:38 PM
XII pretty much sidesteps that characterization, though.

Never played it so I don't know anything other than "is a bad copy of Star Wars" like I've seen so many say before. Not that I take that opinion seriously, this being the Internet and all...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Humbert Humbert on December 20, 2012, 10:50:23 PM
Do you enjoy -

- an open world?
- hundreds of side quests?
- a subdued, western style of storytelling?
- intriguing characters?
- revenge plots?
- real time combat?
- an in-depth character customization system?

If you answered yes to all those things (and let's face it everyone likes those things) then you should try FFXII.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Humbert Humbert on December 20, 2012, 10:51:26 PM
Admittedly a bit biased but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Alisha on December 20, 2012, 11:52:42 PM
Moar Deathclok-wannabe Chocobo/Boss Fight themes? :laffo:

Or were these the people who composed the bland elevator music used in the rest of XIII-2?

Sure, and every soundtrack of FF has to be composed only by Uematsu because every other mofo is a talentless losers according to the most deluded fans of the series.

Alright. Then name or link one memorable track from FFXIII-2 (that wasn't one of those goofy Death Metal tracks). Go on, I'll wait.

Heart of Chaos, Eclipse and Eclipse Aggressive Mix, Divine Conflict, Historia Crux,  Caius' Theme, Labyrinth of Chaos, Eternal Paradox... wait, sorry, you were wanting us to not have an answer, right?  :)
this all opinion but i really like words collide and sunleth waterscape. also im guessing you all havent seen the trailer? combat looks exactly the same as 13/13-2 but with one character -_-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EGmVT9_cTo&app=desktop
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 21, 2012, 12:25:24 AM
Its literally the same combat system but now with mapped commands and no allies/monsters whatsoever. Chances are that number gauge at the bottom is for Gestalt shenanigans.


XII pretty much sidesteps that characterization, though.

Never played it so I don't know anything other than "is a bad copy of Star Wars" like I've seen so many say before. Not that I take that opinion seriously, this being the Internet and all...

FFXII's plot can be summed up as "So a multifaceted plot of political intrigue, a fantastical high adventure of a roving band of treasure hunting sky pirates, and a Final Fantasy game liberally swiping as much as it can from the two Star Wars trilogies walk into a bar; the first two want nothing to do with each other but the third one's standing on the table between them shouting "I'm Captain Boshe von Ronsenburg!" and "Boshe lives!" while a chocobo kwehs' and a one winged angel crashes the joint.". Granted the eventual loss of leadership and constant executive meddling didn't help things either, but it wasn't as bad as FFXIII-1 had been which didn't have leadership at all until the 11th hour when they got called out on their bullshit and had put up a demo for the Advent Children Blu-Ray release; but I digress. As for gameplay FFXII tried to do what Xenoblade Chronicles succeeded in and failed.


The upper part of her outfit looks like N7 armor from Mass Effect at first glance. Then I see the rest and get disappointed.

Kinda reminds me of a mix of Ass Creed without the hood and some generic Sengoku Hime ensemble. At least its still better than her 'Rhinestone Cowboy' Prada ensemble from earlier in the year.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 21, 2012, 12:59:10 AM
@Humbert Humbert & Aeolus: Sounds like a good time.

I only have the demo of XII that came with the copy I bought of Dragon Quest VIII, and true story I fall asleep playing... maybe one day I'll get my hands on the game for my PS2 and put some time into it. Is pretty weird how XII hasn't got re-released yet, though, Square Enix hasn't said anything about the remastered version of Final Fantasy X or that Kingdom Hearts collection in a while now.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on December 21, 2012, 01:39:10 AM
combat looks exactly the same as 13/13-2 but with one character -_-

Except the two defining characteristics of FFXIII's combat system are the paradigm shifts and the stagger system, neither of which works at all when you only have one character.  It may look similar, but I seriously doubt it plays the same (and if it does then S-E are even bigger idiots than I thought.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Alisha on December 21, 2012, 01:54:10 AM
i'm pretty sure i saw the word ravager on the screen but i'd have to check again,
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 21, 2012, 12:21:32 PM
combat looks exactly the same as 13/13-2 but with one character -_-

Except the two defining characteristics of FFXIII's combat system are the paradigm shifts and the stagger system, neither of which works at all when you only have one character.  It may look similar, but I seriously doubt it plays the same (and if it does then S-E are even bigger idiots than I thought.

Its probably going to work just like it did in the Lightning DLC for XIII-2 where you'll have a physical paradigm, two mage paradigms, a stat boosting paradigm, and a stat debuff paradigm. The thread linked to above noted what looked like three different roles to paradigm switch to; including Cerberus, Divinity, and Enchantment. Don't know if there'll be a stagger system but I wouldn't doubt it since that DLC had it too.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Humbert Humbert on December 21, 2012, 02:08:41 PM
Quote
FFXII's plot can be summed up as "So a multifaceted plot of political intrigue, a fantastical high adventure of a roving band of treasure hunting sky pirates, and a Final Fantasy game liberally swiping as much as it can from the two Star Wars trilogies walk into a bar; the first two want nothing to do with each other but the third one's standing on the table between them shouting "I'm Captain Boshe von Ronsenburg!" and "Boshe lives!" while a chocobo kwehs' and a one winged angel crashes the joint.". Granted the eventual loss of leadership and constant executive meddling didn't help things either, but it wasn't as bad as FFXIII-1 had been which didn't have leadership at all until the 11th hour when they got called out on their bullshit and had put up a demo for the Advent Children Blu-Ray release; but I digress. As for gameplay FFXII tried to do what Xenoblade Chronicles succeeded in and failed.

I feel like that's pretty good going for an FF game when the source of vitriol is a meme (stemming from a short 15 minute mini-game segment), a combat system that emulates Xenoblade, and a generous nod to the Star Wars franchise.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Alisha on December 21, 2012, 05:12:33 PM
how does a game thanks  came before xenoblade emulate xenoblade? if anything it emulates FFXI combat.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Raziel on December 21, 2012, 07:12:45 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ewfbqs.png)

This is the closest thing there is to a screenshot for now.

She's gone from collecting Einherjar to pursuing Lu Bu.

"Don't pursue Lu Bu".
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Esura on December 21, 2012, 09:38:04 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ewfbqs.png)

This is the closest thing there is to a screenshot for now.

She's gone from collecting Einherjar to pursuing Lu Bu.

"Don't pursue Lu Bu".

But Lu Bu is easy to handle if you take your time with him.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 21, 2012, 11:22:04 PM
Both Japanese and English websites have been updated with various details and a longer trailer, the links are in the OP if anyone wants to check them out.

Edit: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Soundtrack - Crimson Blitz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q90wsMWZdk)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 23, 2012, 02:16:31 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/5gXrv.jpg)

I love the chick to the right.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 23, 2012, 04:18:17 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/5gXrv.jpg)

I love the chick to the right.

I want to say that the booth on the left end of the picture is the Final Fantasy XIII equivalent of the TARDIS and thus that guy between Lightning and the TARDIS is actually the FFXIII equivalent of The Doctor, but then I remember that this game was written by the same guys who took three games to realize that the best way to foist your shallow one dimensional character onto your fanbase is to not let anybody else in to show her up or become the surprise protagonist (wutup Fang).

Still, it would be a far greater explanation as to how Lightning is getting back to the Dawn of the First Day 72hrs remaining then whatever bullshit they're probably going to end up shitting out of their uncreative rectums (probably something involving Caius since he's still not Marty Stu enough yet).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Humbert Humbert on December 23, 2012, 02:38:45 PM
Ahahahaha who is she!? Amazing.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Parn on December 23, 2012, 02:47:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/sgkv8.jpg)

Beautiful.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 23, 2012, 03:14:17 PM
Ahahahaha who is she!? Amazing.

An NPC.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 23, 2012, 03:47:58 PM
It's one way to make Lightning look less ridiculous.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Humbert Humbert on December 23, 2012, 06:34:16 PM
Ahahahaha who is she!? Amazing.

An NPC.

Thanks, Lt. Asperger's!
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: bigdeath on December 23, 2012, 07:29:46 PM
That npc has an amazingly derp face. The derp is strong within that one.

I'm excited about this game. I love lighting so a game all about her in a race against time = win for me.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 23, 2012, 07:53:32 PM
I love lighting so a game all about her in a race against time = win for me.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/6ibdcp.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: bigdeath on December 24, 2012, 12:49:37 AM
Dat pic makes lighting have a derp face. How Dare YOU! Shame. :P
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 24, 2012, 10:46:09 AM
It's one way to make Lightning look less ridiculous.

I've always loved the sheer biological impossibility of having a face like Lightning or Serah's.  Or at the very least, their perfectly whisping hair. 

Especially in the XIII's first FMV where she's on a train...and her hair is just blowing gracefully, as opposed to the way it would in...y'know, real life.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 24, 2012, 01:39:31 PM
Dat pic makes lighting have a derp face. How Dare YOU! Shame. :P

What!? Can't you see her blushing? She so tsun~.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 24, 2012, 07:54:20 PM
Bad main outfit = More DLC Costume sales.

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/263/430/3a0.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 25, 2012, 10:07:29 AM
Lightning Returns uses "Amazing ATB" battle system (http://gematsu.com/2012/12/lightning-returns-uses-amazing-atb-battle-system) -- Source: Gematsu
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Parn on December 25, 2012, 12:19:10 PM
Someday, when I become a more "refined person" and make my own RPGs, I will develop an "amazing" combat system of my own.  I will probably name the game "The Best RPG: Game of the Forever" or something like that so I can ensure my studio's success through the maximization of game sales by telling everyone in advance that all these various elements, right down to the title of the game, are incredible.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 25, 2012, 02:09:48 PM
How many people here finished XIII-2?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Agent D. on December 25, 2012, 06:11:29 PM
How many people here finished XIII-2?
Platinumed, actually.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 26, 2012, 01:49:37 AM
Well that's one. :T

This week I got the Platinum Trophy after I took a long break from the game and came back to it. Only thing I have left to do now are the Coliseum battles of Gilgamesh and Snow along with getting the weapons that give Serah and Noel the 6th ATB bar, gonna left that for another day tough.

Also, update:

Lightning Returns uses "open world" connection for travel (http://gematsu.com/2012/12/lightning-returns-uses-open-world-connection-for-travel) -- Source: Gematsu
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 26, 2012, 05:15:42 AM
How many people here finished XIII-2?

I sat through an LP and a half, and that half LP was awful for reasons beyond the actual game (mostly due to the LPers being so burnt out on spending two years LP FFXIII-1 that they spent about 6 episodes putting around New Buttom 003AF trying to get over the fact that they weren't getting railroaded as hard as before).


Edit:
Quote
In this title, one day is 24 hours. In Final Fantasy XIII it was 26 hours, but when time stopped 2 hours were lost.

They're retconning their own world building, of which they wasted, well not 4~5 years given that most of that went into the engine, but definitely years worth of development on?

Screw game making! I should get into writing. All I'll need is a thesaurus, a link to Wikipedia, and literally nothing better to do. In fact I could probably write up a female lead right now....

Fountaina: A 16 year old strong-willed female magical girl healer type knight who fights the evil 'thirstsas' using nothing but her wits and her magical blade of water. But when the evil 'thristsa leader' attacked her home village one day she went on a journey to rescue her pet camel who is secretly a youthful handsome legendary hero prince that was fed the accursed 'bad dates' and can only be turned back by true love. Along the way she encounters a powerful ice scarecrow named king who was also a young handsome king cursed into his current form that also needs true love to be restored. She also meets a young and handsome boy who is secretly a time traveler from the 18th dimension and is also hunting the pure evil 'thristsa leader', armed with his super scientific soaker armory, and is secretly over 9000 years old to save his kingdom from being turned into a desert. And finally Fountaina is kidnapped by falling for the trap of the two thirstsa wet and whistle and the three handsome prince/kings dodge their trap and heroically save the day by beating the absolutely pure evil 'thrista leader'. But just as they are about the land the finishing blow the poor misguided 'thirstsa leader' establishes that 'she' was at one time a beautiful princess named Parched who suffered painfully from a thirst of love and that their powers have quenched her thirst for love and the four of them live happily ever after. The End.

There you go Squeenix. Job please!
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on December 26, 2012, 06:36:43 AM

Screw game making! I should get into writing. All I'll need is a thesaurus, a link to Wikipedia, and literally nothing better to do. In fact I could probably write up a female lead right now....


Oh how some of us wish it were quite that simple. XP
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 26, 2012, 04:45:58 PM
I sat through an LP and a half, and that half LP was awful for reasons beyond the actual game (mostly due to the LPers being so burnt out on spending two years LP FFXIII-1 that they spent about 6 episodes putting around New Buttom 003AF trying to get over the fact that they weren't getting railroaded as hard as before).

Because we all know that experiencing an RPG through an LP is the best way to form an opinon about a game

And I don't to sound like a asshole here but if you don't care about the game enough to play it then why bother to rant about it? Is a waste of time, and is not like people who enjoy XIII and its sequels don't know about the overblown criticism these games have with people talking about it everyday for 3 or 4 years already.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 27, 2012, 01:16:36 PM
I sat through an LP and a half, and that half LP was awful for reasons beyond the actual game (mostly due to the LPers being so burnt out on spending two years LP FFXIII-1 that they spent about 6 episodes putting around New Buttom 003AF trying to get over the fact that they weren't getting railroaded as hard as before).

Because we all know that experiencing an RPG through an LP is the best way to form an opinon about a game

And I don't to sound like a asshole here but if you don't care about the game enough to play it then why bother to rant about it? Is a waste of time, and is not like people who enjoy XIII and its sequels don't know about the overblown criticism these games have with people talking about it everyday for 3 or 4 years already.

IMHO, it depends on the LP, the LPers, how comprehensive the LP is, and how familiar you are with the material. In the full LP I watched, it was a VLP (Video Let's Play) that I felt sufficiently covered the content of the game (even including all of the DLC) without cutting out too much grinding that occurred or speeding up things like battles and/or repetitious bullshit even when said things could've been sped up. Moreover, I am familiar enough with Squeenix's brand of grinding for bullshit rewards to know what it was that I was missing out on and it's not like FFXIII-2 reinvented the RPG wheel here either.

But beside the point, the reason why I watch LPs in the first place is because I either don't have the time or the opportunity to play these games myself. In the case of XIIIs 1 & 2 I don't own either PS360 and without going out and burning $300+[the cost of the game]+DLC dollars just to play a mediocre JRPG and a tech demo of said JRPG, LPs are the only other legal way to see what the games offer.

As for my ranting, why does the internet exist for if not to sperg and rant? Yes I rag on the FFXIII games a bit much, but what else am I supposed to do with my communication skills in regards to video gaming? Hope I just happen to know somebody who actually plays video games and isn't some kind of antisocial sperglord that only ever wants to talk about the stuff he plays while never letting the conversation last long enough to let you get in a word edgewise? Besides, I most rant for cathartic reasons, just like anybody else would.

Also that edit I made earlier wasn't just aimed at FFXIIIs 1 & 2 but also crappy fiction like Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey which are turning into multimillion dollar franchises that make me feel like I wasted my time on trying to make video games or having a meaningful career and should've become a sell out novelist who can turn dreck into dosh with a wave of his magic pen instead. (The current state of the video game industry has also played a part in my current disgust with it "Video gaming! Its not for women or any civilized/productive individual for that matter." (I may have watched the most recent VGA recently).)

Edit: Also this. (http://pixeldripgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/RPG.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 27, 2012, 06:57:35 PM
I was not judging you for watching LPs nor I asked for a reason of why you do it.

I know everyone that has a familiarity with a franchise or genre can make their own assumptions over their previous experiences with other titles with an LP, but at the end of the day without playing the actual game that opinion is based more in perception rather than personal experience which I personally consider more valuable.

There's nothing wrong with sharing opinions just based on impressions and discuss them openly though.

But beside the point, the reason why I watch LPs in the first place is because I either don't have the time or the opportunity to play these games myself. In the case of XIIIs 1 & 2 I don't own either PS360 and without going out and burning $300+[the cost of the game]+DLC dollars just to play a mediocre JRPG and a tech demo of said JRPG, LPs are the only other legal way to see what the games offer.

Perfectly understandable.

As for my ranting, why does the internet exist for if not to sperg and rant? Yes I rag on the FFXIII games a bit much, but what else am I supposed to do with my communication skills in regards to video gaming? Hope I just happen to know somebody who actually plays video games and isn't some kind of antisocial sperglord that only ever wants to talk about the stuff he plays while never letting the conversation last long enough to let you get in a word edgewise? Besides, I most rant for cathartic reasons, just like anybody else would.

I never criticised the ranting, on the contrary you can say whatever you want.

I was just mentioning the fixation that people have on complaining about XIII and its sequels. There are very good reasons for this negativity to be a thing, but after all this years this same negativity has been exaggerated IMO.

Also that edit I made earlier wasn't just aimed at FFXIIIs 1 & 2 but also crappy fiction like Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey which are turning into multimillion dollar franchises that make me feel like I wasted my time on trying to make video games or having a meaningful career and should've become a sell out novelist who can turn dreck into dosh with a wave of his magic pen instead. (The current state of the video game industry has also played a part in my current disgust with it "Video gaming! Its not for women or any civilized/productive individual for that matter." (I may have watched the most recent VGA recently).)

This is none of my business.

Edit: Also this. (http://pixeldripgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/RPG.jpg)

Dissecting video games has its charm I guess...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Draak on December 27, 2012, 07:03:41 PM
After comments about how horrid Lightning's new outfit was I had to check it out. Never thought I'd see the unholy mix of chaimail bikini and trench coat.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 27, 2012, 10:03:57 PM
I was not judging you for watching LPs nor I asked for a reason of why you do it.

I apologize for my mistake. I thought that your criticism was directed at me specifically by the way your post was written.


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I was just mentioning the fixation that people have on complaining about XIII and its sequels. There are very good reasons for this negativity to be a thing, but after all this years this same negativity has been exaggerated IMO.

I think that a large amount of flack that Squeenix has been receiving has stemmed from the fact that, at one time, the Final Fantasy series was one of the leading franchises of JRPGs and that for the last decade now they've basically let the franchise go. FFXII and XIII-1 were development clusterfucks that took years to make apiece and failed to live up to their own hype while XIV needed scraping to be rebuilt from scratch and Versus has turned into the next Duke Nukem Forever. For one of the leading franchises from one of the largest Japanese developers there were great expectations riding on these games and all that's come of it has been nothing short of a catastrophic series of events that would've shutdown a lesser developer. Even the few good games to have come out of Squeenix as of late have been confined to Japan only despite any sort of clamoring from this side of the Pacific.

But lets face facts that gamers are the absolute, most self-entitled, self-centered, small minded, racist, sexist, laziest, cadré of assholes on the face of the earth. So of course, we're going to bitch when things don't go our way.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 30, 2012, 04:12:09 AM
(http://i49.tinypic.com/rs7k14.png)

Lightning Returns staff talk story, gameplay, and worldview (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4060) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

"Famitsu (http://www.famitsu.com/news/201212/29026849.html) took another turn with the Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII development staff in an all-new interview this week. With the title expected to launch some time in 2013, Director Motomu Toriyama, Producer Yoshinori Kitase, and Game Design Director Yuji Abe sat down to discuss new and future developments for the final chapter in Lightning’s journey"

I think that a large amount of flack that Squeenix has been receiving has stemmed from the fact that, at one time, the Final Fantasy series was one of the leading franchises of JRPGs and that for the last decade now they've basically let the franchise go.

They have never let the franchise go, if they had I'm pretty sure FF would have been over a long time ago and not with XIII or XIV.

The fanbase is alienated beyond repair and whatever Square Enix does either good or bad their are gonna get crap for it all the time and I doubt that's gonna change even if they let the "vocal minority" of the Internet happy with future installments.

Versus has turned into the next Duke Nukem Forever.

I would say that The Last Guardian wins over that title more than Versus. Either way, the hopes that a lot of fans have over Versus being "the ultimate FF" is not the best type of hype that this game can have...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 31, 2012, 05:05:37 AM
I think that a large amount of flack that Squeenix has been receiving has stemmed from the fact that, at one time, the Final Fantasy series was one of the leading franchises of JRPGs and that for the last decade now they've basically let the franchise go.

They have never let the franchise go, if they had I'm pretty sure FF would have been over a long time ago and not with XIII or XIV.

The fanbase is alienated beyond repair and whatever Square Enix does either good or bad their are gonna get crap for it all the time and I doubt that's gonna change even if they let the "vocal minority" of the Internet happy with future installments.

I meant that in the 'letting one's own figure go' sense rather than just straight up abandoning it like they did with SaGa and Mana (social games do not count, dammit).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on December 31, 2012, 02:37:42 PM
Really? I thought FF13-2 was brilliant. Best game in the series since FFIX.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 31, 2012, 04:18:03 PM
Really? I thought FF13-2 was brilliant. Best game in the series since FFIX.

I dunno if I'd go that far, despite having a lesser opinion of FFIX than you do. I'd definitely say it's very good, at least, even with the mostly awful story. I certainly liked how the gameplay all came together, fixing most of the issues I had with XIII, and while the story may have taken a hit, I'd say it's more of a sacrifice for the good gameplay than anything else. I generally enjoyed it, perhaps about as much as I enjoyed FFX or XIII, both of which I'd say I enjoyed more than others here (at least from my observations), yet that only leaves FFXII and FF6 as lesser games in my eyes. Story aside, it also had some bad music, and there are a few stupid decisions here and there, at least as far as completion goes (I have to play the freakin' slots to get a fragment?! Ugh!). I also hate the cliffhanger ending and the DLC (but at least that's optional). At the very least, I'd say it isn't up to FFIX's level, and I liked FFXI and perhaps FFX more.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 31, 2012, 05:37:13 PM
XIII-2 is the most fun I've had with FF since IX as well.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 31, 2012, 05:42:49 PM
I thought X was a lot of fun when a lot of the beginning was out of the way.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 31, 2012, 07:25:43 PM
I thought X was a lot of fun when a lot of the beginning was out of the way.

Final Fantasy X was pretty fun for me until, like, the last quarter of the game. Granted I haven't gotten to the final boss fight (got some caves and Zanarkand left to do), but that's because it's been such a slog recently.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on January 01, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
I thought the story progression sapped all the interest out of it for me. I sometimes refer to it as "Final Fantasy: The Progress Bar". The entire story is a journey from point A to point B, and you know the game is going to end soon after you get to point B. People complain about FFXIII being linear, but at least they keep things unexpected, FFX telegraphed everything so much that there was no excitement for me.

That said, there are elements of FFX that were very strong: the overall story was one of the best in the series, the battle system was fine (though I'm glad they've returned to ATB), and the feel was very intense (unlike FFXII). But the characters were very weak and a lot of the dialog was terrible. Not sure why it gets so high praise as the second-best to FFVII. In any case, I had fun with it, but the whole experience was kind of dull.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on January 01, 2013, 06:48:48 PM
Combined with the huge jump in graphical fidelity FFX gave a sense of going on a journey that I really liked, but I don't think that's something you can really capture again without trying a very different route, and the linear design has NOT worked as favorably for other RPGs.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 02, 2013, 01:46:06 AM
Combined with the huge jump in graphical fidelity FFX gave a sense of going on a journey that I really liked, but I don't think that's something you can really capture again without trying a very different route, and the linear design has NOT worked as favorably for other RPGs.

It also helped things by making the entire point of the plot all about the journey rather than chasing after the latest long, silver haired bishounen villain.

That said though, I find myself preferring FFIX's journey more due to actually recognizing the concept of your party being made of playable characters rather than mere PCs to serve your MC's beck and call just by having them go off and do their own things in different corners of the world. My one critique would be to give players the ability to choose whom to send where when the plot demands a route split.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on January 02, 2013, 07:44:55 AM
Agreed. I don't know why S-E can't look to full cast games like FF6 and FF9 for more inspiration, I felt that those had the best progressions of any games in the series. They had an ideal BALANCE of linear vs. branching. Everyone seems to be about extremes these days. It just kills me that I find large problems with FFXII and FFXIII but for opposite reasons. If S-E would just simmer down and create games with a nice balance of their existing traits, they'd be much better off.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Humbert Humbert on January 02, 2013, 06:16:17 PM
Their focus needs to be on bringing Final Fantasy to the western standard - a story devoid of all the melodrama, branching dialogue trees, a killer score (imagine if they'd gotten someone like Hans Zimmer to compose an Inception-styled soundtrack?) and environments similar to the ones seen in the PS1 entries (in terms of non-linearity). Allow for a larger cast of around 10 characters and offer exposition on various party members through numerous side quests. There's no reason Square couldn't accomplish these things.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 02, 2013, 07:05:44 PM
^Lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol....olololololololololol....ololololol....ololol....ol!

But seriously though, WRPGs are not inherently superior to JRPGs. Both have their strengths and weaknesses and both have their excesses of phoned-in cash-grabs.


Agreed. I don't know why S-E can't look to full cast games like FF6 and FF9 for more inspiration, I felt that those had the best progressions of any games in the series. They had an ideal BALANCE of linear vs. branching. Everyone seems to be about extremes these days. It just kills me that I find large problems with FFXII and FFXIII but for opposite reasons. If S-E would just simmer down and create games with a nice balance of their existing traits, they'd be much better off.

To be fair to FFXIII-1, it also tried to have everyone in your party do their own thing, but it wound up conflicting with the battle system and ended up making players feel like they were in some sort of massive tutorial due to the overall lack of characters or options. Even FFIX gave you members of Zidane's bandit troupe or other stand-ins like Beatrix so you weren't constantly missing a full third of your options for the majority of the game.

And it really didn't help matters by making the entire party split business be completely overwrought with drama with such thrilling conclusions like "WE'RE ALL PETS!!!" :byodame:, "I'm no hero, because a real hero doesn't go round shouting "I'm a hero", which I won't do anymore because I'm a hero!" :downs:, "Operation Kill Snow: aborted" :saddowns:, or "You turned my son into a hideous lawn ornament I'll kill you!" :suicide:. But then neither did the complete lack of direction, goal, or plot structure help things.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on January 02, 2013, 07:25:01 PM
^Lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol....olololololololololol....ololololol....ololol....ol!

But seriously though, WRPGs are not inherently superior to JRPGs. Both have their strengths and weaknesses and both have their excesses of phoned-in cash-grabs.
Half of that I can actually agree with... because it was there in prior entries. The other half either comes off as going too far from what helps give FF its flavor, or is outright abhorrent to me (no no no GOD NO to the soundtrack bit). But you're right, earlier this generation/late last generation I was really feeling like WRPGs were going in places that were far more interesting than JRPGs, but as this generation wore on it's clear they have their own unique set of problems, especially regarding stuff like turn based combat that's deemed "too archaic" for a big retail game. A notion hopefully the likes of Xcom are shattering at least.

I do suspect the Kickstarter RPGs will start turning things back around for me though, I think in general it's really more a weariness of big AAA development.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on January 02, 2013, 07:29:27 PM
Type-0 did a lot of interesting things with the FF formula, including some of the things Humbert Humbert is asking for.  On the other hand there's also an almost a Persona-esque aspect to it with regards to how you manage your time between missions.  Very cool game.  Too bad we'll never see it here...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on January 02, 2013, 07:40:08 PM
I'm sure it'll get a port to a relevant platform. Eventually.

(That "relevant platform" better not be mobile.)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Humbert Humbert on January 02, 2013, 07:47:30 PM
Outside of the soundtrack and perhaps the number of party members, none of the things I listed are subjective in any way. How many people actually enjoy a linear RPG with a terrible story and non-existent player agency? How many people are partial to demeaning, misogynistic ass-shots, terrible Leona Lewis ballads and mountains upon mountains of kitsch? If Square wants Final Fantasy to succeed as the massive blockbuster of an experience that it is, they need to take a page from developers like Bioware and Bethesda. I'm not asking them to abandon turn based combat or the unique Final Fantasy aesthetic. I just want a game that does something other than pander to the established fanbase.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 02, 2013, 09:25:40 PM
Their focus needs to be on bringing Final Fantasy to the western standard

Ha, sounds like something Inafune would say.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on January 02, 2013, 09:39:06 PM
Outside of the soundtrack and perhaps the number of party members, none of the things I listed are subjective in any way.

Bullshit. There is something of a scale on how subjective or objective certain aspects of creative works are, but if we're going purely objective then only areas like performance and how buggy a game is are unwavering, and even then it can be subjective on how tolerable they are as the Walking Dead GOTY awards show despite the ridiculous save issues plaguing multiple platforms. Certainly I'd be citing stuff like good balance, user friendliness within reason, and responsive controls come WAY further ahead in objective versus subjective than "too linear", "terrible story", and "not enough choices". Not that I don't think at least the first two AREN'T a problem, but let's not act as if it's an objective fact those are bad points (I'm not sure how prevalent some of those issues really are anyway). Unless you're talking purely on what will get the most sales, but that's a very different can of worms and not usually where we bring up the objective/subjective argument I'd think, at the very least though I don't think being very linear is inherently stifling sales, ME seems to do OK and they clamped down more on that after the first game.

How many people are partial to demeaning, misogynistic ass-shots...

...If Square wants Final Fantasy to succeed as the massive blockbuster of an experience that it is, they need to take a page from developers like Bioware and Bethesda.

So include camel toe with those ass shots? Uhh, OK.

(Seriously, WTF was that doing on a robot?)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Humbert Humbert on January 02, 2013, 10:55:22 PM
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Bullshit. There is something of a scale on how subjective or objective certain aspects of creative works are, but if we're going purely objective then only areas like performance and how buggy a game is are unwavering, and even then it can be subjective on how tolerable they are as the Walking Dead GOTY awards show despite the ridiculous save issues plaguing multiple platforms. Certainly I'd be citing stuff like good balance, user friendliness within reason, and responsive controls come WAY further ahead in objective versus subjective than "too linear", "terrible story", and "not enough choices". Not that I don't think at least the first two AREN'T a problem, but let's not act as if it's an objective fact those are bad points (I'm not sure how prevalent some of those issues really are anyway). Unless you're talking purely on what will get the most sales, but that's a very different can of worms and not usually where we bring up the objective/subjective argument I'd think, at the very least though I don't think being very linear is inherently stifling sales, ME seems to do OK and they clamped down more on that after the first game.

The things I listed ~

- a story ostracized of Final Fantasy's characteristic melodrama
- dialogue choices (which, I should add, Square already used in Final Fantasy XIII-2)
- environments similar to those found in the PS1 entries (again, which you can find in XIII-2)
- character-centric side quests

By the semantic definition of "subjective", could someone theoretically debate the merits of these aspects? Sure. From a grounded and realistic standpoint, not really. Removing sappy dialogue and retroactive continuity should not have game-breaking consequences, and seeing as how Square showed some inherent potential for dialogue options and environments that weren't just corridors with XIII-2, then by my logic they're perfectly capable of reproducing those elements in their next entry to the franchise. The fact that the Walking Dead climbed its way to game of the year and Final Fantasy XIII was met mainly with disappointment should speak volumes about what the majority of players are more interested in (as in, glitch-ridden yet engaging, and not a cinematic 60-hour polished turd of a wonky science fiction soap opera).

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So include camel toe with those ass shots? Uhh, OK.

(Seriously, WTF was that doing on a robot?)

What part of "take a page" are you confused about? I'm well aware of Bioware's unseemly portrayals of females in their works.

EDIT: Anyway I'm beginning to sound like a pedantic prick at this point so I'll just quit while I'm ahead. I never meant to say WRPGs were superior to JRPGs or any such nonsense, so sorry if it came across that way.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Alisha on January 03, 2013, 12:06:58 AM
ive long thought square should split FF into 2 sub series. one for the FF1-6/9 type stuff and one for psuedo sci fi stuff. problem is i think SE used to have 2 FF dev teams. one now handle's the online FF's and if memory serves tri ace developed XIII-2.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on January 03, 2013, 03:00:35 AM
The things I listed ~

- a story ostracized of Final Fantasy's characteristic melodrama
- dialogue choices (which, I should add, Square already used in Final Fantasy XIII-2)
- environments similar to those found in the PS1 entries (again, which you can find in XIII-2)
- character-centric side quests

By the semantic definition of "subjective", could someone theoretically debate the merits of these aspects? Sure. From a grounded and realistic standpoint, not really. Removing sappy dialogue and retroactive continuity should not have game-breaking consequences, and seeing as how Square showed some inherent potential for dialogue options and environments that weren't just corridors with XIII-2, then by my logic they're perfectly capable of reproducing those elements in their next entry to the franchise. The fact that the Walking Dead climbed its way to game of the year and Final Fantasy XIII was met mainly with disappointment should speak volumes about what the majority of players are more interested in (as in, glitch-ridden yet engaging, and not a cinematic 60-hour polished turd of a wonky science fiction soap opera).
It IS being somewhat pedantic on my part to fixate on that "not subjective" bit, but they are for the most part aspects that are absolutely about personal preference, and in certain circles (IE Japan's user base perhaps) are not flaws at all. They may not be what WE want, but that's different from being an objective failing.

For the record: melodrama within reason IS part of FF's charm, FFVI is very much a melodramatic story yet that's one of the most revered entries (although I need to replay that, as IV is also excessively melodramatic and that fell flat on its face painfully upon replaying) and if anything I'd say the bigger failure is how incoherent and inane some of the stories have become, FFXIII was pretty bad there and FFXIII-2 and seemingly Lightning Returns REALLY go off the deep end. Dialogue choices I think are likely to be superfluous in FF as XIII-2 actually did demonstrate, I don't see SE actually going with significant story branching nor do I imagine they want to even consider milder story ramifications much like Walking Dead does. And the other two points, well, those are what I meant about things I'd want to see done that the series had done in the past.
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What part of "take a page" are you confused about? I'm well aware of Bioware's unseemly portrayals of females in their works.

It was partially a joke, though it did seem odd to bring up the angle of misogyny via unnecessary fan service when in their own way Bioware may've actually been worse. It seems more a problem with general game development if not the media period, and honestly is preferable to what Nintendo seems to like doing, slavishly sticking with the "save the princess" plot.
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EDIT: Anyway I'm beginning to sound like a pedantic prick at this point so I'll just quit while I'm ahead. I never meant to say WRPGs were superior to JRPGs or any such nonsense, so sorry if it came across that way.

Understood, and like said honestly the subjective/objective bit set me off more. Otherwise I'd just be half agreeing with your points: there's clearly SOMETHING wrong with the way FF's been handling story and the games could stand to return to that linear-leaning middle ground rather than just being a hall from beginning to end that has a ball room close to the end. You just can't underestimate what people WANT out of these games, as arguments over what Zelda should be can readily show.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 03, 2013, 07:54:41 AM
To be fair to FFVI, FFIV's melodrama loses a lot of its kick when you know that everybody's just going to get better anyway (aside from Tellah who was an old man who got progressively worse as you leveled him and had a terrible gimmick ability).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 03, 2013, 10:44:43 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/03/lightning-is-on-a-mission-for-god-in-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/

She's got 13 days left to save the world, a full ass cape, a third of a party, it's night out, and she's got her shades on. Let's roll!
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 04, 2013, 06:45:09 AM
Might as well put this now.

Fabula Nova Crystallis mythology (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Fabula_Nova_Crystallis:_Final_Fantasy#Mythology) -- Source: Final Fantasy Wiki
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 04, 2013, 10:33:56 AM
To be fair to FFVI, FFIV's melodrama loses a lot of its kick when you know that everybody's just going to get better anyway (aside from Tellah who was an old man who got progressively worse as you leveled him and had a terrible gimmick ability).

Oh man, I can't recall... did he actually lose stats?

ANd yeah, the melodrama is pretty thick in those games.  I think the lack of dialogue may actually be a plus on its end.

Might as well put this now.

Fabula Nova Crystallis mythology (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Fabula_Nova_Crystallis:_Final_Fantasy#Mythology) -- Source: Final Fantasy Wiki

Shame it took three games to get that bit out.... though it'll probably be coming back when/if Versus comes out.

And a shame we only get "the Ghost of Etro" in 13-2....good grief.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 04, 2013, 11:25:14 AM
Shame it took three games to get that bit out.... though it'll probably be coming back when/if Versus comes out.

Etro is supposed to have a big role in Versus that hasn't changed in years of the game being in development.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 04, 2013, 09:34:17 PM
To be fair to FFVI, FFIV's melodrama loses a lot of its kick when you know that everybody's just going to get better anyway (aside from Tellah who was an old man who got progressively worse as you leveled him and had a terrible gimmick ability).

Oh man, I can't recall... did he actually lose stats?

ANd yeah, the melodrama is pretty thick in those games.  I think the lack of dialogue may actually be a plus on its end.

Might as well put this now.

Fabula Nova Crystallis mythology (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Fabula_Nova_Crystallis:_Final_Fantasy#Mythology) -- Source: Final Fantasy Wiki

Shame it took three games to get that bit out.... though it'll probably be coming back when/if Versus comes out.

And a shame we only get "the Ghost of Etro" in 13-2....good grief.

Yeah, he and Cecil both end up losing stats as the game progresses (although Cecil only loses them through his later Dark Swords and it stops being an issues when he job changes).

And I don't mind some thorough world building every now and again so long as its used for more than "Oh, and by the way, everything broke again." or "Here, have another random (robo)god who wants to commit assisted suicide for some vaguely explained reason.".

Also: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/04/rebels-want-lightning-dead-in-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/

For those of you who didn't get enough Chocolina out of XIII-2, you now have something to look forward to. There's also a "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!" joke in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Humbert Humbert on January 05, 2013, 12:58:34 PM
Just remember, guys. This was all planned from the start.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 05, 2013, 01:41:45 PM
Namco Bandai Partners bringing Lightning Returns Xbox 360 version to Asian markets (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4096) -- Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 16, 2013, 05:48:57 AM
http://gematsu.com/2013/01/lightning-returns-introduces-new-character-lumina

So now Lightning has a loli-goth frenemy and even more ridiculous costumes. Suddenly, Ms. Chocobokolina doesn't seem like such a bad choice of companion now.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 16, 2013, 10:57:36 AM
They weren't kidding when they said that she looked a lot like Serah...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 17, 2013, 04:47:28 PM
http://gematsu.com/2013/01/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-set-for-fall-2013

http://gematsu.com/2013/01/lightning-returns-extended-trailer-features-noel

http://gematsu.com/2013/01/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-screenshots


Got some screenies, a trailer, and a release date time frame. Oh No~el indeed.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: kyuusei on January 17, 2013, 05:39:46 PM
We posted those some hours ago. Well, with the exception of the release window.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 17, 2013, 06:06:24 PM
Is kinda cute seeing people hating on the game because almost everyone is doing it online. You would think that after 4 years people would just ignore what they aren't into instead repeating over and over the same sentece.

Not that I'm offended by all the hate or anything, is just that we all know by now how this goes and it became boring a long time ago.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 17, 2013, 06:23:55 PM
Is kinda cute seeing people hating on the game because almost everyone is doing it online. You would think that after 4 years people would just ignore what they aren't into instead repeating over and over the same sentece.

Not that I'm offended by all the hate or anything, is just that we all know by now how this goes and it became boring a long time ago.

I'm more interested in seeing just how far down this rabbit hole goes.

Also given the general lack of interesting RPGs that come out these days its hard to not talk about the elephant in the room.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 17, 2013, 06:37:40 PM
Elephant?

Well, I know that people is still salty over XIII after all these years but I just wanna know how this is going to end.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 17, 2013, 08:39:22 PM
I know that we can't stop talking about it because we're all gonna buy this game despite our complaining. :P
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Embryon on January 17, 2013, 10:00:19 PM
I know that we can't stop talking about it because we're all gonna buy this game despite our complaining. :P

I'm buying it and I haven't complained. :P Well, I ragged on Lightning's new outfit, but you can change that so it's not a big deal.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 17, 2013, 11:15:45 PM
Preview Part I: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Demo Report (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4172) -- Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 17, 2013, 11:49:01 PM
CALLED IT!  Yuna in the top 3.


Quote
Lightning is Japan's #1 Female Character according to recent Final Fantasy poll.

1. Lightning (FFXIII)
2. Aerith (FFVII)
3. Yuna (FFX)
4. Tifa (FFVII)
5. Celes (FFVI)
6. Tina (FFVI)
7. Serah (FFXIII)
8. Garnet (FFIX)
8. Faris (FFV)
10. Rinoa (FFVIII)
10. Rydia (FFIV)
12. Selphie (FFVIII)
13. Rikku (FFX)
14. Beatrix (FFIX)
14. Yuffie (FFVII)
16. Ashe (FFXII)
17. Rosa (FFIV)
17. Eiko (FFIX)
17. Agrias (FFT)
Source:http://www.finalfantasy-fxn.net/index.php?page=article&article=Lightning-Is-Ranked-NUMBER-ONE--1706

I'm sad Beatrix isn't higher, I'm sad Serah-chan from 13-2 is as high as she is....ew.
I love that Celes-Tina are high together (hah)....DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, SQUEENIX
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 18, 2013, 03:31:25 AM
Of all the; why the fuck is Lightning at the top? I would've guessed that Titfa would've been Japan's no.1 over miss "OMG, WE'RE PETS!". Yuna and Aeris aren't too surprising but Lightning and Tifa should've been switched. Serah-chan is also way too high, but it does make at least some kind of sense given that she is a Serah-chan (maybe that X is a typo).

Love that Faris is as high as she is though, and as awful as Riona is I also can't really complain about her position given the general competition and that she tied with Rydia. Beatrix and Agrias being as low as they are is rather disappointing though.


Elephant?

Well, I know that people is still salty over XIII after all these years but I just wanna know how this is going to end.

You've never heard of the metaphor about the elephant in the room before?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 18, 2013, 03:51:01 AM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Preview (cont.):

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2cibksn.png)

Part II: The developers explain the latest in the FFXIII saga (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4192)
Part III: Bold new ideas for the series, but are they for the best? (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4232)

Highlights from Part 2:

Courting fans who may have lost interest in Lightning or Final Fantasy XIII

"With the Lightning Saga having expanded to three games now, there is a risk that some players have been driven away from the series," Kitase explains. "At the same time, there might be this impression that people had to play the first two installments to enjoy the third and final installment. With Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII we wanted to focus on giving it a brand new feel – a brand new game that can be enjoyed regardless of prior knowledge of the series." By creating this game the team wanted to bring back the players that drifted away from the Final Fantasy XIII saga or the Final Fantasy series. The effort of giving this game a whole new feels shows in their logo – it's a completely different approach that casts away the traditional Yoshitaka Amano design. According to Kitase, they "wanted to convey to the audience that this is a new game that's being brought to the table."

Why continue the Final Fantasy XIII Saga instead of creating a new one?

"There are two major pillars to this decision," says Kitase. "The first concerns the development of the concept for Final Fantasy XIII. Lightning was found to be a very attractive character, so we wanted to expand the story of her." From the beginning stages of Final Fantasy XIII-2, they had plans to start expanding even more on the world of Lightning and her saga – not only through games, but "the foundation came about for DLC, novels or other various expansions." In that respect, they drew up the idea for Lightning Returns as the conclusion for the series during the development of Final Fantasy XIII-2.

"The second pillar is represented by the idea that every numbered Final Fantasy goes through massive revisions for each entry," Kitase explains. "Because the characters, systems and world would have to be created from scratch, it would be difficult to implement player feedback. As such it might take two or more years between releases. With XIII it was a very rare but great opportunity for the team to take this character and take elements from the game like the battle system and evolve them through the trilogy. By considering user feedback through such a short development time, the player can see that those changes have been applied straight away."

Source: Nova Crystallis

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2vw71uc.png)

Lightning Returns' Lumina designed by Toshiyuki Itahana

"The design for recently revealed Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII character Lumina was created not by Lightning illustrator Tetsuya Nomura, but by Toshiyuki Itahana (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Toshiyuki_Itahana), who previously designed download costumes for Final Fantasy XIII-2, this week’s Famitsu reveals."

Source: Gematsu

You've never heard of the metaphor about the elephant in the room before?

Yes, I've had heard of it before.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 28, 2013, 06:47:47 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/28/lightning-can-guard-and-evade-attacks-in-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/

Well at least the evading mechanic sounds nice on paper, but there are a couple of easy ways I anticipate Squeenix screwing that up (such as keeping it locked for most of the game, making the dodge all but completely useless by only letting it work during the dodge tutorial and maybe a gimmick fight or two, making it completely useless, making it gamebreaking, making it so gamebreakingly useful that you can't even get to the end of the game without complete mastery over the mechanic as endgame enemies will spam instadeath attacks all over the place, ect...).

Also, Lightning's wardrobe continues to grow more impractical and ridiculous, and the last thing we needed was mandating the use of the more fuck ugly ones.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 28, 2013, 08:15:34 AM
Wow; there were only traces of it before but with that CGI render and those barftastic outfits it's pretty much undeniable. Lightning is almost a pixel for pixel clone for T3BD's 'Aya'. You could joke about the similarities before with T3BD's 'Lightning Outfit' but that chuckle sure fermented into one bitter echo.

Damn their art department is getting pathetically lazy.

Wasn't interested in the game before; still am not interested. Between Youtube and Wikipedias the concept of 'needing to see how it ends' holds zero motivation to justify wasting $65~ this day and age. Honestly after playing X-2 I'm probably not even going to utilize either of those tools though. I'm quite content with my
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'everyone dies' ending.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: cj_iwakura on January 28, 2013, 08:56:54 PM
I found a better outfit for her.

(http://i.imgur.com/Za98RVf.jpg)

DLC please.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 28, 2013, 09:42:25 PM
^I'd buy that for a dollar.

I'm quite content with my
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'everyone dies' ending.

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I only remember 2 (and a half) characters dying at end of XIII-2.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 29, 2013, 01:45:57 AM
I never bought any DLC. So for me the ending was
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Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 29, 2013, 02:06:42 AM
The DLC works as a kind of prologue to LR more than anything else, it doesn't really expand much on the ending of XIII-2 since the ending that you see in the game itself doesn't really need much (if anything) to expand more for that story.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 29, 2013, 04:20:42 AM
The DLC works as a kind of prologue to LR more than anything else, it doesn't really expand much on the ending of XIII-2 since the ending that you see in the game itself doesn't really need much (if anything) to expand more for that story.

Gameplaywise, yes (unless Dress Spheres really are their own thing in which case, its not even that). Storywise, its not even that so much as watching Lightning and Caius wailing on each other endlessly.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 29, 2013, 04:26:32 PM
A look at Lightning Returns in the recording studio (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4340) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

---

(http://www.novacrystallis.com/LR/lr_01292013_04.jpg)
(http://www.novacrystallis.com/LR/lr_01292013_01.jpg)
(http://www.novacrystallis.com/LR/lr_01292013_03.jpg)
(http://www.novacrystallis.com/LR/lr_01292013_02.jpg)

source (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=4274)

Gameplaywise, yes (unless Dress Spheres really are their own thing in which case, its not even that). Storywise, its not even that so much as watching Lightning and Caius wailing on each other endlessly.

More or less, yeah.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 18, 2013, 07:55:09 AM
A look at Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII's desert location – the Dead Dunes (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/03/a-look-at-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiiis-desert-location-the-dead-dunes/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

Lightning Returns introduces The Dead Dunes (http://gematsu.com/2013/03/lightning-returns-introduces-the-dead-dunes) -- Source: Gematsu

(http://i47.tinypic.com/11sjccz.png)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/21m5303.png)
(http://i49.tinypic.com/33agoz6.png)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on March 18, 2013, 08:23:25 AM
Could this be? The stolen treasure?

Quality dialogue, there. Or translation.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on March 18, 2013, 09:06:51 AM
Could this be? The stolen treasure?

Quality dialogue, there. Or translation.

Sounds like a line that harks back to FF1...

Ah well.  Lovely graphics, questionable fashion.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on March 18, 2013, 09:07:35 AM
Could this be? The stolen treasure?

Quality dialogue, there. Or translation.

I think you're missing 'it'.

Somebody off screen was probably looking for 'it'.

But they couldn't find 'it'.

Now if only they could tell us what 'it' is.


And goddamn does Lightning have some ridiculous outfits going into this one.

Also dune grinding? She has ridden the sand rails of Dune! Too bad Squeenix isn't clever/shameless enough to have Lightning shout her enemies to death.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Alisha on March 18, 2013, 07:03:38 PM
as much as i loved lightning in the first game and dissidia this is a train wreck. her costumes seem pretty out of character too.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on March 18, 2013, 07:04:46 PM
I gotta say though, those dunes and mountains in that one screen shot are amazing to look at.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 18, 2013, 07:32:10 PM
I've been wondering for a long time how is Snow doing after all the stuff that happened at the end of XIII-2...

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Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on March 18, 2013, 08:13:34 PM
I've been wondering for a long time how is Snow doing after all the stuff that happened at the end of XIII-2...

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You know with Serah death and all that.

He's probably still lost in space (and time) and meandering about on his time traveling lesbian twin transformer hovering ice motorcycle.

Of course he's still going to show up in this game for the sake of setting off that dramabomb.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 19, 2013, 10:05:13 PM
Lightning Returns official 'Dead Dunes' description and shop screenshots (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/03/lightning-returns-official-dead-dunes-description-and-shop-screenshots/)

HQ Lightning Returns V Jump scans (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/03/hq-lightning-returns-jump-scans/)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2rmpkpc.png)(http://i49.tinypic.com/2vi5jiw.png)

New Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII assets show off the return of inns, deserts (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/03/french-facebook-photoset-reveals-a-wealth-of-new-lightning-returns-screenshots/)

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Interview with Motomu Toriyama and Yoshinori Kitase (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/03/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-interview-with-motomu-toriyama-and-yoshinori-kitase/)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2ebh45j.png)(http://i45.tinypic.com/29pvwgn.png)(http://i46.tinypic.com/2mfhnab.png)

Have the producers or any of the development staff been playing any other games recently that reflect some of the decisions made for this game?

Toriyama: "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim had a large impact in terms of the expansiveness and depth of the world in an open-world RPG. For the first time in [the Final Fantasy XIII series], we looked at the open-world environment and came up with the 'World Driven' concept to realistically depict the passage of a 24–hour day and the lives of the people who populate that world. The player will have to think about how they will spend their valuable time in the 13 days until the end of this world."

You've chosen to do away with much of the world of the two previous games, building something new. Can you explain this decision?

Toriyama: "The world in this installment originates from the ending of Final Fantasy XIII-2 when the realm of death, Valhalla, flowed into the land of Gran Pulse and began to head towards destruction. Visually, the world is completely different, but the settings still hold true to the crystal mythos (Fabula Nova Crystallis) that continues from Final Fantasy XIII. In other words, whether you are a fan of the Final Fantasy XIII world or you are coming into contact with this world for the first time, you will be able to enjoy this world."

What do you think has changed about the vision of Fabula Nova Crystallis since its announcement in 2006?

Kitase: "The video game industry is constantly changing drastically, and so the project details and schedule are always fluid.
However, the plot that is the basis of this project has not changed at all. We still have the 'Fabula Nova Crystallis' script from 2004, and even with Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, the latest installment in 2013, we hold fast to the guidelines laid out within this script."


Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 05, 2013, 04:22:23 PM
The Coliseum is back in Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/04/the-coliseum-is-back-in-lightning-returns/)

Paradox Endings may influence the story of Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/04/paradox-endings-may-influence-the-story-of-lightning-returns/)

Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on May 05, 2013, 10:11:12 PM
Nah. There's no chance in hell that Squeenix would be cool enough to make Snow and Serah-chan's excellent adventure paradox ending feature as anything more than a doofy/useless key item/collectable essential to 100% completion and nothing else.

Also, yay, more puzzle fights that you have to meta powergame/guide dammit to have a chance at solving within 2 minutes/tries then slogging through for the next 2 hours to get the sword of infinity +1 needed for 100% completion and nothing else.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 15, 2013, 03:54:54 AM
Member of the Japanese Band 'Language' doing music for Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/05/japanese-band-language-doing-music-for-lightning-returns/) -- Nova Crystallis

First official images of Lightning Returns Play Arts Kai (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/first-official-images-of-lightning-returns-play-arts-kai/) -- Nova Crystallis

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Original Soundtrack (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/music/sem/page/fabula/LRFF13/) -- SQUARE ENIX MUSIC

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - E3 2013 Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xo69conxVk) -- NovaCrystallisDotCom, YouTube

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - The creation of 'The Savior' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edi2yK-DWnk) -- UKSquareEnix, YouTube

Final Fantasy XIII -Lightning Ultimate Box- (http://store.jp.square-enix.com/special/LRff13?sscd=official_ff13LR_130606) -- SQUARE ENIX e-Store

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII controller (http://www.hori.jp/products/ps3/lightning_returns_ff_controller/) -- HORI

(http://i42.tinypic.com/35l8en6.png)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 06, 2013, 11:55:55 AM
^There. Edited my previous post with the news that came out recently.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on June 06, 2013, 12:19:18 PM
Okay the box art for that Ultimate Box's original FFXIII looks pretty rad.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on June 06, 2013, 06:26:36 PM
How the fuck does someone make an Ultimate Box without putting her stupid ass sunglasses in them>!?!?!?!??

Am I the only one who think the Play Arts figures are kinda weird and odd looking?

Ah well.  Trailer looked ok, not much gameplay, and the story seems to hit a new pinnacle of nonsense.  If I have money, maybe I'll buy (if reviews are good)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 06, 2013, 08:36:24 PM
Am I the only one who think the Play Arts figures are kinda weird and odd looking?

Sometimes yeah.

Trailer looked ok, not much gameplay, and the story seems to hit a new pinnacle of nonsense.

I don't know. Star Ocean and (part of) FFVIII are way worse in my mind.

But you know, opinions.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on June 06, 2013, 08:49:34 PM
Am I the only one who think the Play Arts figures are kinda weird and odd looking?

Sometimes yeah.

Trailer looked ok, not much gameplay, and the story seems to hit a new pinnacle of nonsense.

I don't know. Star Ocean and (part of) FFVIII are way worse in my mind.

But you know, opinions.

FFVIII turned into a "trip" after the first disc, IMO.  I couldn't tell you the plot if my life depended on it today.  (*bang*)

Star Ocean may be ridiculous, but I can't let go of 13-2 having Serah yell at Hope from the future to fix the problem.

And in any case, I play most of these games for the gameplay than the plot (and if reviews can score it well there, then consider it sold).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 06, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
Star Ocean may be ridiculous, but I can't let go of 13-2 having Serah yell at Hope from the future to fix the problem.

And I can't let go of the dumb ass plot twist in SO3.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: kofvscapcom on June 06, 2013, 09:32:37 PM
Snow actually looks pretty cool now, the combat system doesn't look too bad, I may bite on the collector's edition.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Jotacon on June 06, 2013, 10:56:39 PM
I am one of those weirdo's that really liked the XIII so I'll get this eventually once it drops in price. If reviews are really good I might get it, but I'm a little wary since the weirdness and music of XIII-2 was good, but the rest of it was meh. Can't wait to see more gameplay though, I like the look of it so far.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 06, 2013, 11:07:24 PM
I keep telling people that the criticism that the XIII series has recieved is overblown, but then they are all like:

(http://www.deedeewarren.com/images/whine.gif)

So I don't even care anymore. *shrug*
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Jotacon on June 06, 2013, 11:19:24 PM
Well it is overblown at this point certainly. It seems like it will forever be the legacy of XIII and it is an easy way to poke fun at the game and myself. Remember FFVIII is remembered for not being VII, drawing out magic and having the worst plot-twist of all time.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on June 06, 2013, 11:19:49 PM
I loved FFXIII apart from the incredibly tedious endgame. XIII-2 managed to improve on the gameplay, but didn't even bother trying to make a coherent cross-series plot. Sure, the plot on it's own was....decent, but I could never get past the LAAAAAAAAAAME excuse to how the ending to XIII "didn't happen." That and the lore established in XIII has fuck-all to do with the plot in XIII-2.

Oh well, I'll pick up Lightning Returns b/c I'm a total sucker, and I most definitely will buy the inevitable LE Strategy Guide because I have the other two and I have some strange love of hard cover strategy guides.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on June 06, 2013, 11:31:36 PM
I loved FFXIII apart from the incredibly tedious endgame. XIII-2 managed to improve on the gameplay, but didn't even bother trying to make a coherent cross-series plot. Sure, the plot on it's own was....decent, but I could never get past the LAAAAAAAAAAME excuse to how the ending to XIII "didn't happen." That and the lore established in XIII has fuck-all to do with the plot in XIII-2.

Oh well, I'll pick up Lightning Returns b/c I'm a total sucker, and I most definitely will buy the inevitable LE Strategy Guide because I have the other two and I have some strange love of hard cover strategy guides.

I think that summed it up really, really well.
Also snowballing in the campy drama (made worse especially in 13-2...and mainly just with FF Sweethearts Snow and Serah...and a bit of Gaius).

I do mark the gameplay as being pretty good and *definitely* different.... I just don't know if high-speed auto-battles is a good route in the future since it takes away a lot of the control from the player in terms of options.

Yes, a lot of the criticisms are strong, but it could also be just a lot of exposure to "less-than-warm" reactions rather than outright hate.

Plots are a...considerably important thing in FF games, so the lack of consistency in the games really shuts out whatever "vision" they had with the first game.  We've gone from Machine-Gods[?], to Time Travel, to....FF-Majora's Mask.

FF13 I think *IS* a pretty good game (I actually loved the hell out of the battle system, it's simple, but damn addictive), but...it just felt so empty.  More than just corridors, I just felt like there was reaallly little to actually play.  It had no chocobo games, mini-games, proper sidequests (beyond weird epitaph...things), and what was probably the most obnoxious weapon upgrade system ever (so say shit about Star Ocean all you want, but tri-Ace knows what they're doing there).

It's a contentious title to be sure.  Yeah some love the hell out of it, but I think it's just one of those games that sorta lives in infamy due to the series reputation, the divergent route it took compared to previous games, and (while revolutionizing some ideas) also had some questionable design decisions.

tl;dr
Making a good, balanced game is hard as fuck.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Jotacon on June 06, 2013, 11:53:19 PM

I do mark the gameplay as being pretty good and *definitely* different.... I just don't know if high-speed auto-battles is a good route in the future since it takes away a lot of the control from the player in terms of options.

tl;dr
Making a good, balanced game is hard as fuck.
I really like the battle system of XIII, I particularly liked how well balanced the battles were. The battles in XIII-2 were all over the place because it was more open and while the rest of the gameplay improved I didn't really like that or the monsters. In XIII I liked the lifeless corridors as it worked in the plot and kept the pace up. I have to say that high-speed auto-battles and tunnel vision maps should not be the series future. I'm happy to see the battle system being iterated on in the XIII series and hopefully they can make a really good system in Lightning Returns. The battles worked in this series and maybe it will work in a different one in the future, but I want Final Fantasy to keep experimenting.

I've stayed out of the talking about the story because... well we all know how that worked out.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on June 07, 2013, 12:22:02 AM
Confession: I've beaten Final Fantasy XIII three times and I still could not tell you what's going on during the final battle sequences. It's basically just "So I'm supposed to kill you now, right? Okay, sure whatever."
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on June 07, 2013, 12:31:44 AM
I guess this is where we're just going to have to agree to disagree: I hated the battle system in XIII.  I've ranted about why at length before and I don't feel like going into again.  But when you take away the battle system for XIII...what's left?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: kofvscapcom on June 07, 2013, 12:37:03 AM
Kinda curious to see how they justify that plot in the trailer. Also, why does Lightning have the Wing Gundam shield?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Jotacon on June 07, 2013, 12:37:41 AM
Confession: I've beaten Final Fantasy XIII three times and I still could not tell you what's going on during the final battle sequences. It's basically just "So I'm supposed to kill you now, right? Okay, sure whatever."
Don't worry they were doing it because it was right. Even if it was all part of the bad guys plan and they knew it. As long as they CHOSE to do, it was okay. Even if millions died as Cocoon crashed to the ground and... yeah. I can say despite the melodrama I really liked the plot up until Chapter 9.

I guess this is where we're just going to have to agree to disagree: I hated the battle system in XIII.  I've ranted about why at length before and I don't feel like going into again.  But when you take away the battle system for XIII...what's left?
I can do that. I've had that fight too many times myself. Without the battle system there is not much. I still liked the characters, but it is just a series of corridors and treasure chest in between cutscenes.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Alisha on June 07, 2013, 12:48:27 AM
as much as i like lightning i never completed FFXIII due to being cockblocked by proudclad ver2.0
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on June 07, 2013, 01:00:46 AM

I do mark the gameplay as being pretty good and *definitely* different.... I just don't know if high-speed auto-battles is a good route in the future since it takes away a lot of the control from the player in terms of options.

tl;dr
Making a good, balanced game is hard as fuck.
I really like the battle system of XIII, I particularly liked how well balanced the battles were. The battles in XIII-2 were all over the place because it was more open and while the rest of the gameplay improved I didn't really like that or the monsters. In XIII I liked the lifeless corridors as it worked in the plot and kept the pace up. I have to say that high-speed auto-battles and tunnel vision maps should not be the series future. I'm happy to see the battle system being iterated on in the XIII series and hopefully they can make a really good system in Lightning Returns. The battles worked in this series and maybe it will work in a different one in the future, but I want Final Fantasy to keep experimenting.

I've stayed out of the talking about the story because... well we all know how that worked out.

I actually *KINDA* liked the monsters and felt slightly relieved that it meant, technically, less options so I wouldn't have to fight with some many choices.
Plus..it KINDA felt like new characters which was cool and fun or whatever.
I HATED how a lot of the BEST characters were so fucking random.
Throw SD Mog (eugh)  into a cliff hole for Silver Chocobo!!
Throw SD Mog (eugh!) into a field of flowers for the strongest Chu Chu in the game!!!

Also, between 13-2 and Ni no Kuni, "capture rates" can go straight to hell.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Jotacon on June 07, 2013, 01:25:07 AM
I think that post sums up my feelings about FFXIII-2. I KINDA liked it. I forgot about SD Mog (eugh) and "capture rates." Yup that's some bullshit.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on June 07, 2013, 01:40:55 AM
Confession: I've beaten Final Fantasy XIII three times and I still could not tell you what's going on during the final battle sequences. It's basically just "So I'm supposed to kill you now, right? Okay, sure whatever."

My understanding was that the Space Pope was secretly a Robogod trying to kill an even bigger god so that he can be with his big mama god and he wanted Miss Amnesiac to go super sayin again to wreck the Death Star and crash it into Namek thus waking up big mama god and thus sends the merry band of misfits down to Namek to powerlevel for a while, they come back and bring an assload of Namekian fauna with them, Robogod pulls some bullshit to insta-turn everyone into zombies, your guys fumble around in the eleventh dimension for a couple of hours fighting a couple dozen doomstacks of HP, you make it to the Robogod and fight him again, he dives into a pool and becomes the bigger Robogod that he's trying to kill, you fight him again, you win, you still lose, your party gets turned into zombies, the Thunder-from-down-under goes super sayin, bullshit happens and your party gets Holy Water'd by big mama god, the Aussie lesbians perform symmetrical docking and go SSJ4, they kill Robogod mk2, then they pull a Superman and spin around the Death Star enough times to turn them and it into a big fucking PSN Trophy, everybody else ends up on Namek and live happily ever after (until XIII-2 which immediately retcons that into Miss Cloud disappears for no real reason, Little Miss Serah-chan makes puppy dog eyes, Mr. "I'm a Hero" disappears, then Gogmagog shows up and gets jobbed by KH's Sora using the bulletproof alias of Noel Christ).

I just love describing that sequence. Its just such a useless clusterfuck of Deus Ex Machinas, outright bullshit, complete and total comprehension failure on the characters' part, complete tonal dissonance from the Logan's Run plot up until the endgame sequence, and the complete and total uselessness of the party barring the two who are, for all intents and purposes, the real leads of the game (which is why Fang was supposed to be male because Japan can't seem to have female leads without a male lead stealthily becoming the main character and/or stealing their thunder).


I guess this is where we're just going to have to agree to disagree: I hated the battle system in XIII.  I've ranted about why at length before and I don't feel like going into again.  But when you take away the battle system for XIII...what's left?

Kinda falls into my beef with the trilogy thus far as well. For a series of Triple A+ developed games, they barely feel mediocre at best. I've gotten more out of Star Ocean 2 and that GBA Tales of Phantasia port than either FFXIII games thus far. They feel like Breath of Fire 2 with the cliched archetypes, the unbalanced and gimmicky battle system, the grindy endgames, the backtracking (in FFXIII-2's case), and especially in their plots which are just as comprehensible as BoF2's plot after the shoddy localization got through obfuscating it (though one difference is that BoF2 has much better character and enemy designs).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on June 07, 2013, 09:15:05 AM
Well at the very least I assume we can all agree that Academia 400AF can go fuck itself, yeah?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on June 07, 2013, 11:04:43 AM
Well at the very least I assume we can all agree that Academia 400AF can go fuck itself, yeah?

Both versions can.  Early one for the quiz game; doomsday one for annoying puzzle.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on June 07, 2013, 11:26:42 AM
I was referring to the one with endless Ceith spawns.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 07, 2013, 11:43:42 AM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII 720p Screenshots (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/06/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii_7.html) -- Source: All Games Beta
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on June 07, 2013, 12:15:09 PM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII 720p Screenshots (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/06/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii_7.html) -- Source: All Games Beta

Graphically, it's obvious squeenix knows what the fuck they're doing (I won't lie, I got super confused that the link started with some fanart...I wuz like "hah what?").

I also like just about every other "job" outfit compared to that standard navy blue, red, and white mess that makes her look like a human Gundam.

I also can't help but *hope* the series gives a happy ending after all the shitty things they've all been through.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 07, 2013, 12:32:41 PM
I also can't help but *hope* the series gives a happy ending after all the shitty things they've all been through.

I assume that there is going to be more than one ending almost in the same way there is in XIII-2 but the 'true ending' is said to be the happiest of them all. That was one of the first things SQEX made public about LR, and I guess they did that mostly for some of the reaction the ending of XIII-2 had.

While a happy ending would bother me I rather keep my mind open until I see things for myself.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: cj_iwakura on June 11, 2013, 10:25:18 PM
So this is supposed to end the series? I kind of was hoping this would be a side-story then we'd get a proper XIII-3 with the entire team, and the fantastic paradigm system, back for the finale.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on June 12, 2013, 12:18:59 AM
So this is supposed to end the series? I kind of was hoping this would be a side-story then we'd get a proper XIII-3 with the entire team, and the fantastic paradigm system, back for the finale.

It could still happen. Squeenix has already shown that previous game ending are no reason to not shoehorn in a nonsensical sequel when they made FFX-2 FFXIII-2.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 12, 2013, 12:32:59 AM
It has been said multiple times that LR is the last entry for the "Final Fantasy XIII trilogy".

Edit: Focus On: Lightning Returns reveals some new information and a wealth of screenshots (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/focus-on-lightning-returns-reveals-some-new-information-and-a-wealth-of-screenshots/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on June 13, 2013, 09:30:11 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/13/catgirl-outfit-yep-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-has-one/

I'd make a "Goddammit Japan!" joke here, but in all honesty, this is probably the most sensible and least awful outfit she'll be sporting in this game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on June 13, 2013, 09:37:18 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/13/catgirl-outfit-yep-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-has-one/

I'd make a "Goddammit Japan!" joke here, but in all honesty, this is probably the most sensible and least awful outfit she'll be sporting in this game.

You know...I honestly think you're right.  Ears aside, that outfit looks way more normal than any of the others I've seen her in for that game...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on June 13, 2013, 09:46:31 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/13/catgirl-outfit-yep-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-has-one/

I'd make a "Goddammit Japan!" joke here, but in all honesty, this is probably the most sensible and least awful outfit she'll be sporting in this game.

You know...I honestly think you're right.  Ears aside, that outfit looks way more normal than any of the others I've seen her in for that game...

What's sad is that the first outfit she was shown in for this game wasn't all that bad (aside from the arm guards offering the most encumbrance for the least amount of protection) but since then her fashion sense has simply gotten progressively worse and worse as time and reveals have gone on. So yes, swiping somebody else's outfit design has been, so far, the best decision made thus far.

And in total seriousness. If the fashion police are not a combatable enemy in this game, I will be disappoint.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on June 13, 2013, 10:00:22 PM
I like the formal dress they showed in one of the screenshots.

Obviously it's not for fighting, but I liked it in general.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 13, 2013, 10:13:03 PM
Let's argue about clothes.

Yay...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on June 14, 2013, 12:09:29 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/13/catgirl-outfit-yep-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-has-one/

I'd make a "Goddammit Japan!" joke here, but in all honesty, this is probably the most sensible and least awful outfit she'll be sporting in this game.

You know...I honestly think you're right.  Ears aside, that outfit looks way more normal than any of the others I've seen her in for that game...

Weird saying that about a strip-tease-y outfit, but yeah.  At least it resembles real clothes this time that you might see in real life (err, that is to say, more real than her navy pink, blue, red, and beige Gundam dress)

iirc, it's based on an FF14 model, right?.

Let's argue about clothes.

Yay...

I'M A GIRL GODDAMMIT.  THIS IS WHAT WE DOOOO.  Ô_Ó
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 14, 2013, 12:16:23 AM
^Did you see the model of Lightning dressed as Yuna?

iirc, it's based on an FF14 model, right?

Yes.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on June 14, 2013, 12:51:39 AM
^Did you see the model of Lightning dressed as Yuna?

iirc, it's based on an FF14 model, right?

Yes.

I did not, and yay, I know my stuffs.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on June 15, 2013, 01:53:38 AM
Let's argue about clothes.

Yay...

To be fair, the way the updates have been painting the game's combat system, Lightning's pulling a Yuna and getting all Gullwings on the Job System ♥Mahou Shojo Lightning-chan♥ style ;D (and also completely redefining her character once again if she had more of a character than being a woman with sand in her vagina to begin with; aside from teaching Hope to act like he has sand in his vagina, what with his "Operation NORA" (i.e. Kill Snow)).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on June 15, 2013, 02:38:53 AM
If Mario can wear a cat suit, so can Lightning.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: mrchoppy on June 16, 2013, 03:39:37 AM
This will be the first final fantasy i wont buy at launch and will wait for a review first.

I can live with a catgirl outfit, maid outfit etc but wont be getting outfit DLC as i view that as "bad DLC".  i only get DLC that is like old school expansions.

I dont mind the combat systems and stuff but is the story going to make me feel any thing?  Of the last few releases the main character i really liked was Sazh with his son storyline.   i quite liked Lightning being a strong female protaganist but i never really got her character.

i still havent finished 13-2, didnt mind the mechanics just found the story "paradox" mad.

also i want some "proper" minigames in this one.   And i dont count random slot machines as minigames!  In my book its not a proper final fantasy without a good skill based or puzzle based minigame!

Fingers crossed :)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 16, 2013, 11:22:33 AM
Square Enix Members Exclusive Interview (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/lightning-returns-square-enix-members-exlcusive-interview/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

Will the game be supported with Battle DLC after launch, and may we see some familiar characters in the Coliseum in Lightning Returns?

Kitase: "In terms of DLC that would expand on the actual story of Lightning Returns, we're not really planning for those episodic DLC nor are we thinking of doing extra 'boss' DLC. We are planning to have it 100% completable on its own. We do have more than 80 outfits that Lightning can equip, so we would like to take into consideration maybe costume DLCs. I know the Legacy Final Fantasy costumes, such as past titles like the White Mage or the Black Mage, those were really popular so if there's a great enough demand for things like that, we might be able to put it into consideration. So unfortunately, no battle DLCs after the launch."
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on June 16, 2013, 11:59:21 AM
I'd kill for cameo DLC.  HD Terra clothes.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on June 24, 2013, 10:59:28 AM
I'd kill for cameo DLC.  HD Terra clothes.

Well, its A FF female lead's outfit. (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/24/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-will-have-a-final-fantasy-x-outfit/) I guess Lightning needs a change of clothes for when she needs to heal too.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on June 24, 2013, 12:21:52 PM
I'd kill for cameo DLC.  HD Terra clothes.

Well, its A FF female lead's outfit. (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/24/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-will-have-a-final-fantasy-x-outfit/) I guess Lightning needs a change of clothes for when she needs to heal too.

Oh man, the amount of bitching in the comments explains that faction of gamers that are "known" for being socially awkward.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 24, 2013, 03:17:38 PM
Oh man, the amount of bitching in the comments explains that faction of gamers that are "known" for being socially awkward.

And they all think they are being clever.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: _Vandalier_ on June 24, 2013, 03:19:31 PM
I'd kill for cameo DLC.  HD Terra clothes.

Well, its A FF female lead's outfit. (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/24/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-will-have-a-final-fantasy-x-outfit/) I guess Lightning needs a change of clothes for when she needs to heal too.

Oh man, the amount of bitching in the comments explains that faction of gamers that are "known" for being socially awkward.



Reading through those comments just made me feel better about my life
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on June 24, 2013, 04:32:02 PM
After I read the first few I had to stop.

Honestly, it's just a cameo costume.  It's not the end of the world.  I'd bet quite a bit those same people don't complain about the Tales cameo costumes in every Tales game, or something like the entire set of DLC cameo costumes for Dragon Quest IX.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on June 24, 2013, 06:46:20 PM
I fucking hate gamers these days.  Not all, certainly the masse who feel self-entitled to just shit all over every/anything
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Taelus on June 24, 2013, 06:56:49 PM
I fucking hate gamers these days.  Not all, certainly the masse who feel self-entitled to just shit all over every/anything

Yeah. The level of cynicism takes all the fun out of enjoying games. RISE ABOVE IT

EDIT

I AM LOOKING AT THE DAMN PENGUIN STOP TELLING ME TO
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on June 24, 2013, 07:19:14 PM
The penguin is good
The penguin is great
We surrender our will
as of this date
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on June 25, 2013, 12:27:26 AM
I didn't know you were a fan of Linux Dice?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on June 25, 2013, 11:53:15 AM
I AM LOOKING AT THE DAMN PENGUIN STOP TELLING ME TO

The penguin is good
The penguin is great
We surrender our will
as of this date

I didn't know you were a fan of Linux Dice?

Q: What do Penguins sing on a birthday?
A: Freeze a jolly good fellow.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on June 26, 2013, 07:50:46 PM
(http://www.gamingv2.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/FFXIII_Lightning_Returns_box_art.jpg)

I really hope there's a limited edition, or at least a reversible cover insert. Lightning looks absolutely awful on that cover. She's got that creepy KOS-MOS look going on, bubble boobs and all.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 27, 2013, 01:32:34 AM
She's got that creepy KOS-MOS look going on, bubble boobs and all.

Uh, which one?

(http://i44.tinypic.com/swr97s.png)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on June 27, 2013, 09:20:02 AM
HA! Point taken. Was referring to later versions, when they got the "stiff and dead" android look down pat.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 27, 2013, 12:16:54 PM
^Is like you are finding ways to keep feeling bothered about XIII.

But either way, I don't see that "stiff and dead" expression on her.

---

Chaos Infusions are a symbol of destruction in the world of Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/chaos-infusions-are-a-symbol-of-destruction-in-the-world-of-lightning-returns/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

(http://i43.tinypic.com/256h3jd.png)

"During specific times of days, monsters will become more powerful due to the influence of Chaos – but defeating them means they'll likely drop a rare item. These Chaos Infusions can appear at random locations, and to avoid being caught up in them NPCs will run about trying to escape.

Although these outbreaks of Chaos can show up without warning and are quite optional, you'll want to keep an eye on your remaining time in the world. Unlike FFXIII and XIII-2, Lightning will not automatically recover HP after battles, so she'll be forced to use items or head to an inn or cafe to recover health. The world itself is more open than before, but the further you stray from Lightning's goals, the more danger you'll put her in."
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on June 27, 2013, 12:33:08 PM
I've said numerous times I like XIII and XIII-2. I've recognized a few problems with both, but I've expressed that over all I like XIII and XIII-2 and fully expect to love Lightning Returns. That cover is the first thing I've even bothered complaining about, and I hold that there's just something off about Lightning in that picture. For all I know it could just be that the outfit really doesn't suit her.

But, you know, whatever. I don't blame you that rampant cynicism in the gaming community makes it impossible to express any legitimate complaints.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 27, 2013, 12:49:03 PM
That cover is the first thing I've even bothered complaining about, and I hold that there's just something off about Lightning in that picture. For all I know it could just be that the outfit really doesn't suit her.

What do you think of this one?

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/0b9ed7807c9dfe120a0e42119149d61f/tumblr_mjd2tikczh1qdf1guo1_500.png)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Annubis on June 27, 2013, 12:56:49 PM
That cover is the first thing I've even bothered complaining about, and I hold that there's just something off about Lightning in that picture. For all I know it could just be that the outfit really doesn't suit her.

What do you think of this one?

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/0b9ed7807c9dfe120a0e42119149d61f/tumblr_mjd2tikczh1qdf1guo1_500.png)

Put on a black helmet and it's Darth Vader.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on June 27, 2013, 06:56:20 PM
That cover is the first thing I've even bothered complaining about, and I hold that there's just something off about Lightning in that picture. For all I know it could just be that the outfit really doesn't suit her.

What do you think of this one?

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/0b9ed7807c9dfe120a0e42119149d61f/tumblr_mjd2tikczh1qdf1guo1_500.png)

Put on a black helmet and it's Darth Vader.

Sure. Its not so overt when Lightning has her ass cape on, but take it off and she's a dark helmet, a lite-bright hot-glued to her torso, and something to cover her arms/sideboobs away from turning to the dark side.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 27, 2013, 09:53:39 PM
"New music will be sampled for Lightning Returns this weekend at Japan's Game Music Festival, according to Square Enix." -- Source: Nova Crystallis (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/new-lightning-returns-music-to-debut-at-japan-game-music-festival-2013/)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on June 28, 2013, 03:09:34 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/28/see-how-lightnings-character-model-is-created-in-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/

Stealing Yggdrasil's job and postin' this.

Apparently, Lightning as Locke is confirmed (totally not the FFVI character outfit I would've expected). (Also Celes if you count the ballgown.)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 28, 2013, 08:02:01 PM
Stealing Yggdrasil's job and postin' this.

I did post that, but not really and not here (this thread I mean).

Also I gotta ask; How many of you guys are gonna be busy with LR in February? Pretty sure someone is gonna stream the Japanese version but I rather ignore all that this time.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on June 28, 2013, 08:05:56 PM
Give me an RPG where I can dress my character up in all sorts of fancy outfits, and you better believe I'm gonna be all over that from day one.

What? It's a perfectly masculine feature to enjoy in a game
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 28, 2013, 08:44:08 PM
^Ah, I remember all the dumb jokes and people's insecurities about their sexuality because of X-2. Good times.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on June 28, 2013, 09:24:53 PM
Stealing Yggdrasil's job and postin' this.

I did post that, but not really and not here (this thread I mean).

Also I gotta ask; How many of you guys are gonna be busy with LR in February? Pretty sure someone is gonna stream the Japanese version but I rather ignore all that this time.

Unless I can find a good LP of the game on SA to lurk (and am not in constant :frogout: like right now), I'm pretty much heading for the streams.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on June 28, 2013, 10:00:07 PM
^Ah, I remember all the dumb jokes and people's insecurities about their sexuality because of X-2. Good times.

Wait...that was a thing?

I mean I can see it but that must've been one internet bullet I dodged.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 29, 2013, 12:42:07 AM
^Yeah it was a thing that I saw happening in some gaming magazines I used to read from Europe and in some stores that are either dead or I no longer visit anymore.

If you touched X-2 you were "less of a man". I don't know if it was a big issue back in the day, but it was something that happened.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on July 02, 2013, 10:49:47 AM
^Yeah it was a thing that I saw happening in some gaming magazines I used to read from Europe and in some stores that are either dead or I no longer visit anymore.

If you touched X-2 you were "less of a man". I don't know if it was a big issue back in the day, but it was something that happened.

^ wtf is this, the 1950s?
Jeeezz..


And today the net reveals LIGHTNING IN CLOUD'S CLOTHES AND THE FANDOM BLOWS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And still a lot of gamers taking a shit on it.  wtf is wrong with people?  I thought people loved cameos?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on July 02, 2013, 10:52:49 AM
I need to stop reading this thread or else there won't be any surprise outfits when the game finally comes out.

Wait... Cloud's clothes like FF7 Cloud or Advent Children/DoC Cloud?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on July 02, 2013, 11:02:11 AM
I, for one, will probably be using the Cloud Costume.

Are the comments about the Cloud outfit as bad as the Yuna one?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on July 02, 2013, 11:44:05 AM
I need to stop reading this thread or else there won't be any surprise outfits when the game finally comes out.

Wait... Cloud's clothes like FF7 Cloud or Advent Children/DoC Cloud?

Vanilla FFVII.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 02, 2013, 11:51:02 AM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/4vntkm.png)

Pre-order Lightning Returns to get Cloud’s uniform and Buster Sword (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/pre-order-lightning-returns-to-get-clouds-uniform-and-buster-sword/)

Lightning Returns European pre-order bonuses announced (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/lightning-returns-european-pre-order-bonuses-announced/)

Lightning Returns at Japan Game Music Festival 2013 (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/lightning-returns-at-japan-game-music-festival-2013/)

Lightning Returns original soundtrack dated for 11/21 (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/lightning-returns-original-soundtrack-dated-for-1121/)

Hope is no longer a grown man in Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/new-lightning-returns-screenshots-and-details-on-hope/)

Source: Nova Crystallis

Are the comments about the Cloud outfit as bad as the Yuna one?

Comments all over the place as usual.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on July 02, 2013, 03:50:16 PM
You know, Lightning looks pretty damn hot in that shirt.  She wears it better than Cloud.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 02, 2013, 04:16:09 PM
You know, Lightning looks pretty damn hot in that shirt.  She wears it better than Cloud.

(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/048.gif) Yeah.

Suck it Tifa.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 02, 2013, 07:41:48 PM
I can't really explain why exactly, but I am sucker for all this outfit DLC stuff! In fact I always am... I REALLY loved the alternate outfits in Alice Madness Returns and bought every one of the DLC costumes for Tales of Graces F (even though I don't think I even used some of them...).

This Cloud-get-up bonus non-sense put me over the edge actually. They got me on board for the pre-order.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on July 02, 2013, 07:53:09 PM
Will wait on news of a collector's edition. Comes out not long after my birthday, so I'll be asking for it and the LE strategy guide.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 02, 2013, 10:21:05 PM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII also has 7 Samurai Armor Costumes (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/02/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-also-has-seven-samurai-armor-costumes/) -- Source: Siliconera
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on July 02, 2013, 10:55:49 PM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII also has 7 Samurai Armor Costumes (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/02/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-also-has-seven-samurai-armor-costumes/) -- Source: Siliconera

Collect all seven to unlock an extra bonus mission where you protect a small Japanese village from bandits. :p
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Jotacon on July 03, 2013, 12:35:02 AM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII also has 7 Samurai Armor Costumes (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/02/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-also-has-seven-samurai-armor-costumes/) -- Source: Siliconera

Collect all seven to unlock an extra bonus mission where you protect a small Japanese village from bandits. :p
If that was true, I would totally buy all seven. No joke.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ultra7k on July 03, 2013, 12:28:47 PM
I already wanted to play this game as it is, but I guess I'll be pre-ordering now...lol
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on July 03, 2013, 07:13:03 PM
Fashionable button nipples!!
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18slsd8fx58yhpng/k-bigpic.png)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on July 03, 2013, 09:20:47 PM
IT CANNOT BE UNSEEN >_<
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dincrest on July 03, 2013, 09:40:08 PM
I actually think she looks good in Cloud's outfit.  Sure, it looks like hi-rise "mom jeans" but that just means there's extra protection around her midriff where vital organs and "soft squishy bits" are.  Then again, I have a soft spot for RPG heroines wearing sensible armor rather than "chain mail bikinis" and I think she looks like a credible warrior in Cloud's outfit as opposed to, say, her mini-skirt "armor."  http://rpgfan.com/pics/Final_Fantasy_XIII/art-004.jpg

So, yeah, Lightning in Cloud's outfit actually gets a thumbs up from me.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on July 03, 2013, 09:58:04 PM
"mom jeans"

(http://www.flourishover50.com/wp-content/uploads/Mom-Jeans.jpg)
nailed it haha
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Alisha on July 04, 2013, 01:54:14 PM
was happy to see fang.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ultra7k on July 04, 2013, 03:06:14 PM
"mom jeans"

(http://www.flourishover50.com/wp-content/uploads/Mom-Jeans.jpg)
nailed it haha

Look how protective they are.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on July 04, 2013, 04:30:14 PM
was happy to see fang.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/04/fang-returns-in-the-latest-trailer-for-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/

Link for reference.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 04, 2013, 05:28:28 PM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Japan Expo Demo (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11jb1f_lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-japan-expo-demo_videogames#.UdXmV_nryrE)

Pretty cool that they give you a bunch of options to customize Lightning.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on July 04, 2013, 06:09:52 PM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Japan Expo Demo (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11jb1f_lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-japan-expo-demo_videogames#.UdXmV_nryrE)

Pretty cool that they give you a bunch of options to customize Lightning.

Holy shit, a trophy notification that said You Did Not Earn a Trophy.  Chaos is all up in that game.

The more I see Lightning's main outfit, the more I dislike it.  I do like the colour options thing.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on July 05, 2013, 01:45:06 AM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Japan Expo Demo (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11jb1f_lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-japan-expo-demo_videogames#.UdXmV_nryrE)

Pretty cool that they give you a bunch of options to customize Lightning.

Holy shit, a trophy notification that said You Did Not Earn a Trophy.  Chaos is all up in that game.

The more I see Lightning's main outfit, the more I dislike it.  I do like the colour options thing.

It is pretty amusing that Squeenix has seemingly more or less given up on creating new costumes for Lightning to wear and have instead opted to raid their closet for old wardrobes.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on July 05, 2013, 01:47:58 AM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Japan Expo Demo (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11jb1f_lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-japan-expo-demo_videogames#.UdXmV_nryrE)

Pretty cool that they give you a bunch of options to customize Lightning.

Holy shit, a trophy notification that said You Did Not Earn a Trophy.  Chaos is all up in that game.

The more I see Lightning's main outfit, the more I dislike it.  I do like the colour options thing.

It is pretty amusing that Squeenix has seemingly more or less given up on creating new costumes for Lightning to wear and have instead opted to raid their closet for old wardrobes.

Honestly, the fact that the beige trench-coat-like part of her 13-3 outfit is a reaallly-loong version of her original military vest pisses me right off for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 09, 2013, 07:05:33 PM
Gil is now a lot easier to come by in Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/gil-is-now-a-lot-easier-to-come-by-in-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

(http://i39.tinypic.com/juuvy8.png)

"Browsing around in menus is immune to time."

"Time will also stop when you're in battle."

"It was said that Gil would be a lot harder to obtain in Lightning Returns, but now it seems fallen enemies will drop it freely. Lightning's HP will no longer automatically recover after battles as in Final Fantasy XIII, however, if you prefer not to use items she'll slowly recover some just by standing around on the field. Other ways she can recover health include using items and utilizing an inn or restaurant – of course, these things are not free."
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on July 10, 2013, 04:42:42 AM
Gil is now a lot easier to come by in Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/gil-is-now-a-lot-easier-to-come-by-in-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

(http://i39.tinypic.com/juuvy8.png)

"Browsing around in menus is immune to time."

"Time will also stop when you're in battle."

"It was said that Gil would be a lot harder to obtain in Lightning Returns, but now it seems fallen enemies will drop it freely. Lightning's HP will no longer automatically recover after battles as in Final Fantasy XIII, however, if you prefer not to use items she'll slowly recover some just by standing around on the field. Other ways she can recover health include using items and utilizing an inn or restaurant – of course, these things are not free."

I guess even they realized they couldn't get away with both static health and scarce money.

Now if there was only a way for Squeenix to figure out a way to justify using an Inn or a Restaurant over chugging potions.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 12, 2013, 04:00:30 AM
Caius' fate will be revealed in Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/caius-fate-will-be-revealed-in-lightning-returns/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2qlwp50.png)

PS Forum France: "We've already seen some of the the main characters from the two previous games, are they going to play an important role in Lightning Returns? Will they become allies or opponents of Lightning?"

Toriyama: "Yes, certain enemies will reappear. One of these will be Caius, because at the end of XIII-2 there is an uncertainty that hovers around his destiny and whether he survives or not. This mystery will be solved in Lightning Returns."

"Despite this, they made no mention of whether we would actually see Caius again or if he is simply mentioned during the course of the story."

Also important to notice; "Of considerable note to Lightning Saga fans was a question regarding the "Lightning Ultimate Box", a very special edition of Lightning Returns which will include all three Lightning Saga games, a selection from each game's original soundtrack, and an art book. As a further bonus, it contains a variant version of the new Lightning Play Arts Kai figurine. This package is currently Japan-only and retails for about ¥26,000 (about €200/$263 respectively), but Kitase says it could make its way to the West if there's a demand for it."

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII's Asian version won't have English text (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/12/unfortunately-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiiis-asian-version-wont-have-english-text/) -- Source: Siliconera

Well... the release of LR for the West was delayed to ensure a better translation to English so this has be why this happened.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on July 12, 2013, 02:25:06 PM
Toriyama: "Yes, certain enemies will reappear. One of these will be Caius, because at the end of XIII-2 there is an uncertainty that hovers around his destiny and whether he survives or not. This mystery will be solved in Lightning Returns."

"Despite this, they made no mention of whether we would actually see Caius again or if he is simply mentioned during the course of the story."

Lolololol.

Sure, because there was any uncertainty left over after Caius forced Noel to kill him and to break the universe which then prompted his immediate revival with a diabolical Mwhahaha! to boot because the clown was an immortal Marty Stu.

Unless he's referring to the fact that they're retconning the ending of FFXIII-2, because it really really needed it.

Hell they've already brought Serah-chan back from the grave (twice) even if she's not quite the same character anymore, there's no way in hell they're not going to use the assets they made for Caius again.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 12, 2013, 05:00:15 PM
^I think you are missing part of the point he was trying make there.

Unless he's referring to the fact that they're retconning the ending of FFXIII-2, because it really really needed it.

The what now?

---

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII official site updates with new music clips and concept arts (http://www.finalfantasy-fxn.net/index.php?page=article&article=Lightning-Returns-Final-Fantasy-XIII-Official-Site-Updates-with-New-Music-Clips-and-Concept-Arts--1981) -- Source: Final Fantasy FXN Network

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2v0etdg.jpg)

Yggdrasil: "This is the name for the "Tree of Life" found in the Ark. It offers bright powers and it continues to grow as long as there's life in the world (up to 13 days)."

Eradia: "It's obtained by completing quests, rescuing souls of the people. This is an important force in the world. When given to Yggdrasil, it can extend the life of the world."

GP: "An important force in the battle field. Lightning need GP to use magic, recovery, and overclocking."

[LRFFXIII] Music clip - LIGHTNING RETURNS - (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKdnRUdZQsc) -- squareenix, YouTube
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on July 13, 2013, 11:14:16 AM
Yggdrasil, can you change your avvy to that yggdrasil?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on July 13, 2013, 11:52:51 AM
GP: "An important force in the battle field. Lightning need GP to use magic, recovery, and overclocking."

So has Lightning taken a few levels in the Samurai Job? Because if so, then I hope she took more away from it than just GP Toss/Zennitage.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 16, 2013, 01:20:53 AM
LIGHTNING RETURNS:FINAL FANTASY XIII Pre Soundtrack -- VGMdb info (http://vgmdb.net/album/40240)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/11ipp2q.png)

Tracklist

01. Crimson Blitz
02. The Savior
03. Lightning Returns
04. LIGHTNING RETURNS:FINAL FANTASY XIII BGM04
05. LIGHTNING RETURNS:FINAL FANTASY XIII BGM05
06. LIGHTNING RETURNS:FINAL FANTASY XIII BGM06

Composed by: Masashi Hamauzu, Naoshi Mizuta & Mitsuto Suzuki

Yggdrasil, can you change your avvy to that yggdrasil?

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2u5f19k.png)

...eh I don't know.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on July 16, 2013, 02:12:32 AM
LIGHTNING RETURNS:FINAL FANTASY XIII Pre Soundtrack -- VGMdb info (http://vgmdb.net/album/40240)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/11ipp2q.png)

Tracklist

01. Crimson Blitz
02. The Savior
03. Lightning Returns
04. LIGHTNING RETURNS:FINAL FANTASY XIII BGM04
05. LIGHTNING RETURNS:FINAL FANTASY XIII BGM05
06. LIGHTNING RETURNS:FINAL FANTASY XIII BGM06

Composed by: Masashi Hamauzu, Naoshi Mizuta & Mitsuto Suzuki

Yggdrasil, can you change your avvy to that yggdrasil?

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2u5f19k.png)

...eh I don't know.

So if I want the FFXIII-3 Pre Soundtrack, I'm stuck with a cover featuring Lightning in her worst getup yet? I don't care how much cheezy buttrock they throw into this, its not worth it.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 16, 2013, 02:36:41 AM
I forgot to put in my previous post that the album comes with a code for the "Flower of Battle" DLC costume as a bonus:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/i26hqh.png)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Giga_Force on July 16, 2013, 05:22:55 AM
I'm assuming Hamauzu will have little involvement with the soundtrack, like XIII-2.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on July 16, 2013, 11:04:50 AM
I'm assuming Hamauzu will have little involvement with the soundtrack, like XIII-2.

IIRC he did the main battle theme.  SO they may commission him for some key tracks or whatever.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Giga_Force on July 16, 2013, 03:40:43 PM
Yeah, I did manage to get that song from iTunes awhile back.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 16, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
Lightning Returns will include a Hard Mode for advanced players (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/lightning-returns-will-include-a-hard-mode-for-advanced-players/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis (via: Dengeki Online)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/e03arb.png)

"In a new interview with Dengeki Online (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/671/671560/), Lightning Returns game design direct Yuji Abe shared some new details on the game's battle systems, worldview, dungeons and more."

"Back at E3, Yoshinori Kitase and Motomu Toriyama unveiled a variety of new costumes for Lightning, including a FFXIV themed one featuring the garb and weapon set of a female Miqo'te. The outfit has since been detailed further in this week's Famitsu, and promises a unique victory pose based on the "sexy" Miqo'te /pose emote that occurs in FFXIV. Additionally, Lightning will be able to don a Black Mage outfit that appears to be a sort of contrast to Serah's White Mage garb from FFXIII-2." -- Source: Nova Crystallis (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/dress-lightning-up-like-a-miqote-from-final-fantasy-xiv/)

"What seems to be missing from the above article is that Toriyama apparently acknowledges it's not really a pose that fits Lightning's character, but they put it in because it's the Miqo'te female's canon victory pose. It seems all of the reference costumes are being given their canon victory poses from their original games, if the Cloud costume is any indication."

– Ehren Rivers, NC staff

Miqo'te costume: JUMP Scan (http://www.ff-xiii.net/images/media/51e6a638_Lightning-Returns-Final-Fantasy-XIII-Jump-Scan-Miqote.jpg) / Famitsu Scan (http://sadpanda.us/images/1742149-FEPLMM8.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 18, 2013, 03:31:49 AM
Hey look.

People is freaking out about the Miqo'te costume. What a surprise.

(http://i.imgur.com/CjW55In.gif)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on July 18, 2013, 04:09:27 AM
I saw that too.  At this point, reading the comments about the costume is as much a pastime as playing games.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on July 18, 2013, 08:32:59 AM
Eh, even though I don't really care at this point, I do have to say that regardless of outfit, if Lightning strikes that pose in the game they've pretty much just said "Fuck it." to giving Lightning any consistent personality whatsoever.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 18, 2013, 10:25:01 AM
^She does other poses in battle for what I've seen, but I really don't feel like all of that is a big deal right now. I rather save any kind of judgment until after putting hours into LR and come to a clear opinion of it.

---

Lightning's costumes are actually based on more than a dozen original outfits (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/lightnings-costumes-are-actually-based-on-more-than-a-dozen-original-outfits/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ultra7k on July 18, 2013, 01:51:22 PM
At first I was kind of indifferent, but the more I see some game play trailers, the more I really want to play this. I haven't anticipated an FF title in this way in a long, long time.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 18, 2013, 07:09:37 PM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII '13 Days' Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZq0Dyj-wDQ) -- SQEXMembersNA, YouTube

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2rmr4ft.png)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on July 18, 2013, 10:18:06 PM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII '13 Days' Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZq0Dyj-wDQ) -- SQEXMembersNA, YouTube

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2rmr4ft.png)

Neon Reflector Yellow.

Because that's what was missing from her fashion closet of doom.

Nah, this is probably the best original costume thus far (or at least what I've seen of it thus far).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ultra7k on July 19, 2013, 12:43:44 PM
The sword shield combo reminds me of Sophitia/Cassandra from Soul Calibur/Blade...or is that just me?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on July 19, 2013, 12:47:56 PM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII '13 Days' Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZq0Dyj-wDQ) -- SQEXMembersNA, YouTube

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2rmr4ft.png)

Neon Reflector Yellow.

Because that's what was missing from her fashion closet of doom.

Nah, this is probably the best original costume thus far (or at least what I've seen of it thus far).

I kinda wish Lightning had a normal or neutral hair colour, she'd probably match half her wardrobe better (maybe that'll be a customization option? lawl).  But yeah, I'm digging the brave choice for a bright yellow polylight.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Giga_Force on July 20, 2013, 03:14:20 PM
I might have to replay XIII/XIII-2 before February but that's kinda hard with my backlog of games.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 23, 2013, 10:15:50 AM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII won't let you use MP to heal (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/22/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-wont-let-you-use-mp-to-heal/) -- Source: Siliconera

Is said that 'Glory Points' are called 'Energy Points' in the English version.*

Lightning Returns adds SNS boss battle score upload (http://gematsu.com/2013/07/lightning-returns-adds-sns-boss-battle-score-upload) -- Source: Gematsu

"When you clear boss battles and such in Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, you can upload your resulting score to social networking services like Facebook or Twitter, the latest issue of Dengeki PlayStation reveals.

Additionally, you'll be able to freely change the color of Lightning's various outfits (though it's not clear if this is possible for all of her outfits)."
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on July 23, 2013, 02:52:26 PM
Lightning: Groundhog Day Jesus

I'm kiiiinda looking forward to it.  They've been pupping out a lot of news and info for a game that's still like half a year away though....
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 26, 2013, 11:02:30 PM
A look at Lightning's Black Mage outfit in Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/a-look-at-lightnings-black-mage-outfit-in-lightning-returns/)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2vl4294.png)

Vanille will also have a role to play in Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/vanille-will-also-have-a-role-to-play-in-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/rlapn6.png)

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII pics from Tokyo event (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/07/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii_27.html)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/o0tf9f.png)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2a6mvpf.png)

Source(s): Nova Crystallis, All Games Beta
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on July 29, 2013, 02:58:25 AM
Goddammit Japan! First question is about her fucking armpits. :uugh:

Also apparently Lightning has been upgraded from C rank to D rank. At least they revealed new previous FF heroine outfits for her to wear, including that doofy Valkyrie Chrysler outfit that what's her face wore in one of the loosely connected spinoff FF titles.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on July 29, 2013, 09:52:38 AM
Goddammit Japan! First question is about her fucking armpits. :uugh:

Also apparently Lightning has been upgraded from C rank to D rank. At least they revealed new previous FF heroine outfits for her to wear, including that doofy Valkyrie Chrysler outfit that what's her face wore in one of the loosely connected spinoff FF titles.

At least they admitted the breast size thing, and daresay it was for "good" reasons.  I remember Kiera Knightley talked about how they "shadowed her boobs" to make her ironing-board chest look like it's an actual size than -AA.  The armpit thing though.....wth......

The game DOES look pretty.  I might preorder and see how it goes.  If the reviews suck, then I'll take it back.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Annubis on July 29, 2013, 10:37:46 AM
The armpit thing though.....wth......

The guy who asked the question definitively plays Touhou games.

http://konachan.com/image/3c16c753483231bb22d12346f5c4c0b2/Konachan.com%20-%2036571%20blue_eyes%20brown_hair%20hakurei_reimu%20japanese_clothes%20miko%20touhou.jpg (http://konachan.com/image/3c16c753483231bb22d12346f5c4c0b2/Konachan.com%20-%2036571%20blue_eyes%20brown_hair%20hakurei_reimu%20japanese_clothes%20miko%20touhou.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 29, 2013, 11:09:00 AM
Goddammit Japan! First question is about her fucking armpits. :uugh:

Don't you remember? (http://www.deviantart.com/art/PS3-FFXIII-NewScreenShot-4-95501865)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on July 29, 2013, 04:05:52 PM
Kotaku's is reporting boob-jiggling physics are in.

Not surprised more "I hope it actually looks realistic if they're going to do it".

(http://i.imgur.com/6QJY3.gif)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on July 29, 2013, 05:50:51 PM
Not surprised more "I hope it actually looks realistic if they're going to do it".

Agreed.

Maybe it's because I'm so desensitized from playing Japanese games most of my life, but, er, this isn't really a big deal to me. In fact, I'm baffled at the response. Larger breasts does not mean she has less of a personality.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 29, 2013, 07:28:19 PM
^Yeah... this whole deal is pretty normal to me since I've always been more into Japanese games. But also this was discussed before of how in the West a lot of people have double standards with sexual stuff in their entertainment, or whatever.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on July 29, 2013, 07:46:30 PM
Not surprised more "I hope it actually looks realistic if they're going to do it".

Agreed.

Maybe it's because I'm so desensitized from playing Japanese games most of my life, but, er, this isn't really a big deal to me. In fact, I'm baffled at the response. Larger breasts does not mean she has less of a personality.

Honestly, I'd be surprised if she did manage to have even less of a personality than before given how little she had to begin with.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Agent D. on July 29, 2013, 08:21:08 PM
But I thought all breasts bounced at the slightest change in barometric pressure?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 29, 2013, 08:37:24 PM
Honestly, I'd be surprised if she did manage to have even less of a personality than before given how little she had to begin with.

But you honestly never cared about any this from the beginning for whatever reason. I mean, is not like you care if someone comes to you and explains what he/she likes or sees in Lightning's personality as appealing.

Most of the time I feel ambivalence towars the characters in XIII but I don't really dislike them.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on July 29, 2013, 08:47:25 PM
Honestly, I'd be surprised if she did manage to have even less of a personality than before given how little she had to begin with.

But you honestly never cared about any this from the beginning for whatever reason. I mean, is not like you care if someone comes to you and explains what he/she likes or sees in Lightning's personality as appealing.

Most of the time I feel ambivalence towars the characters in XIII but I don't really dislike them.

I'm actually a big fan of optional conversation in games.  Tales titles, Last of Us, and why they ever forgot about the ATE system from FFIX is beyong me.  I think FF13 reeaaallly could have benefit from more character interaction, but too often cinematics were about fleshing plot and the "teen drama" among the characters.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 29, 2013, 11:08:23 PM
I think FF13 reeaaallly could have benefit from more character interaction, but too often cinematics were about fleshing plot and the "teen drama" among the characters.

That's the point... big part of the narrative (so far) has been focused on the mythos because that's what everything comes down to.

I don't know about the teen drama part in your post though. I know what you mean, but I never got that the drama in the story was superfluous. In what I think XIII failed though was the way a big chunk of that drama was presented, I'm not saying that is bad but I understand all bitching and moaning that there has been with fans feeling so bothered by the story and characters in the XIII series.

The entire story is told in a very Japanese manner and it doesn't feel as "universal" or relatable as how themes are presented in some others games in the main series. Personally I don't mind but I would like to see Final Fantasy XV bringing back the weight of drama backed up by the scenario and the characters, not just having it there for the sake of it.

Though just to be clear I do think there are parts in XIII and XIII-2 that have a good balance in their drama, but most of it is just there to keep the tone of the narrative going.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on July 29, 2013, 11:20:42 PM
I don't know, I sometimes enjoyed the way the character drama was presented in XIII. Hope confronting Snow and the stuff surrounding Sazh's Eidolon summon were two of my favorite moments in that game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 29, 2013, 11:50:34 PM
^Yeah I really liked those too. And just to be sure, I didn't mean what I said before in a negative tone. I enjoy the series and I was only trying to generalize the problem I have (or had) in XIII with having drama in some scenarios just to keep the tone of the narrative going without having any weight to it.

That's all. (;´Д`)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on July 30, 2013, 12:05:17 AM
I really disliked the way the drama was handled in -2 than the first one; I think that's more my beef between Serah's platitude's about "fighting for the future", Snow's nonsense attitude, and the way Yeul was handled really didn't do much for me.  Sazh does still stand as one of most (I guess by this point) underplayed character in the series so far.  I did find the first game a bit hammy, but the drama was ok, just too little of it to flesh out the characters beyond their arcs.  I feel like it's a trend in the series though; I feel like they've stopped having fun with their characters (FFV had the Faris scene; FFVI had "Mr.Thou"; FFVII had Don's manor; FF8 had Zell and even Laguna; FF9 was like ALL of Steiner... then after taht, while FFX had SOME moments, the good times sort of dried up for more intimate moments).

EDIT: On a side note; I'm happy Vanille's awesome coral-coloured hair is back.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 30, 2013, 12:50:01 AM
LRFF13×プレコミュ体験会クリエイタートークショー (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-v7CcBHAMc) -- Source: famitsutube, YouTube
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Annubis on July 30, 2013, 11:05:26 AM
Lately, this game feels more like 'Barbie's big dress-up' than anything else =/
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 30, 2013, 11:49:37 AM
^Fighting games also have prominent customization features and I don't see anybody saying anything about that other than they want more stuff to customize their characters. You might say that in this case is different but is a feature that you can take or leave as far I've seen, not to mention that the customization feels more like an expansion of what XIII-2 had with the DLC costumes.

SQEX has plenty of time to keep showing more of LR and later once LR is released in Japan you can all go and watch gameplay videos or livestreams once that's available to see anything that you want to see for yourself.

(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/ac0d5cff.gif)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Farron on July 30, 2013, 01:17:43 PM
At least SE isn't charging for colors like Street Fighter x Tekken.
I personally don't see the harm in this many colors and costumes, as long as the core game is good I'll turn a blind eye to bouncing boobies, cat costumes and whatever they can come up with until release.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Akanbe- on July 30, 2013, 11:52:06 PM
I didn't play SFxTekken very much, but I never had to pay for color DLC.  It was always free iirc.  I'd rather just have 10ish well thought out pre-selectable presets like P4A and KoF13 had than full out customization.  That's enough for me.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 01, 2013, 09:48:55 AM
from Nova Crystallis (via: Dengeki Online (http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/684/684684/), Famitsu):

"Judge and response" are the keywords behind the battle system of Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/judge-and-response-are-the-keywords-behind-the-battle-system-of-lightning-returns/)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2lc03n9.png)

"The latest report out of Dengeki Online focusing on Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII focuses once again on its various battle systems. While somewhat similar in many ways to the systems of XIII and XIII-2, Lightning Returns attempts to combine action-based mechanics into the mix in a style similar to a mix of the former, such as the systems found in Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy Type-0. The details of this system – dubbed "Amazing ATB" – are further explained by Square Enix's own Daisuke Inoue and Nobuyuki Matsuoka."

Luxerion shops, actions, and difficulty details for Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/luxerion-shops-actions-and-difficulty-details-for-lightning-returns/)

"Alongside the previously posted Dengeki report, Famitsu has their own report on the systems of Lightning Returns."
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on August 01, 2013, 10:14:59 AM
For crying out loud, SE. People are going to be burnt out on this game before it even approaches the horizon. I realize there isn't much left to say about X/X-2 and KH 1.5, and there really isn't anything else in SE's line-up that isn't barely out of pre-production, but this info dump is starting to outstay its welcome.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 01, 2013, 10:29:33 AM
^People would be bothered if there's not "enough" info. And no one is putting a gun to your head to read the news, I didn't when SQEX was putting a lot of info out for XIII-2 and some of the info that came out for Type-0.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 05, 2013, 02:20:19 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/so4tx0.png)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2lbyidl.png)

"The screenshot at the bottom was one the first ones to be released earlier this year. You can notice there's only two weeks left until the development of LR is over." / Posted on July 31, 2013 -- Lightning Returns News (Tumblr) (http://lightning-returns-news.tumblr.com/post/57011167011/the-screenshot-at-the-bottom-was-one-the-first)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on August 05, 2013, 06:53:48 PM
Erm, but the bottom one looks better?  Less blur, filter, and bloom, easier to see detail on the armor.  I think her face might look a bit better in the top, but that's it.
Edit: I missed the background part with the half-circles; that's a definite improvement in detail.

Still, nice to know it's almost finished.  I'm sure it will be beautiful either way.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 09, 2013, 03:25:00 PM
Lightning Returns: Vajra Bodhisattva and Fushikaden costumes revealed (http://gematsu.com/2013/08/lightning-returns-two-new-costumes-revealed) -- Source: Gematsu

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2ikyzhd.png)(http://i44.tinypic.com/2ntz2hl.png)

from Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Pre Soundtrack:

BGM04 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nCUgNYmcIw) / Masashi Hamauzu
BGM05 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E9m72oQYog) / Gabe McNair
BGM06 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD2kZ_LQspg) / Mitsuto Suzuki
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Giga_Force on August 13, 2013, 02:47:04 PM
Lightning Returns: Vajra Bodhisattva and Fushikaden costumes revealed (http://gematsu.com/2013/08/lightning-returns-two-new-costumes-revealed) -- Source: Gematsu

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2ikyzhd.png)(http://i44.tinypic.com/2ntz2hl.png)

from Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Pre Soundtrack:

BGM04 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nCUgNYmcIw) / Masashi Hamauzu
BGM05 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E9m72oQYog) / Gabe McNair
BGM06 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD2kZ_LQspg) / Mitsuto Suzuki

The beginning of BGM04 reminded me of Journey.  This sounds a bit different from Hamauzu.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 19, 2013, 10:31:41 PM
V Jump scan:

(http://i40.tinypic.com/331dqg6.png)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on August 20, 2013, 12:04:28 AM
Hey its Sazh. Hi Sazh.

Does this mean that Chocolina or the Trollz Doll in the Cabbage Patch Kid's Body are confirmed?

Also Locke Lightning, which is neither new nor interesting.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 20, 2013, 12:54:26 AM
^You are just waiting for new info to make a long post about how LR is a bad game in the future don't you? :P
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on August 20, 2013, 05:51:49 AM
^You are just waiting for new info to make a long post about how LR is a bad game in the future don't you? :P

More like not wanting to post in the Xillia thread or either of the EOIV or DA3 threads.

I have no comments and I must post. D:

Edit: I wonder if there's an FE:Awakening B-Day somewhere around here. I could stand to make another character dissection post.

Double Edit: Why yes Olivia, you'll do nicely.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 20, 2013, 12:35:26 PM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/8ffac9b0c03af0716194c0e219dfbe30/tumblr_mrtt3sBoPx1rfe186o1_500.jpg)

Locke Lightning = Best Lightning (for me at least so far).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on August 20, 2013, 12:54:05 PM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/8ffac9b0c03af0716194c0e219dfbe30/tumblr_mrtt3sBoPx1rfe186o1_500.jpg)

Locke Lightning = Best Lightning (for me at least so far).

yup! i see no problems here
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Darilon on August 20, 2013, 01:45:14 PM
I like it. It suits her a lot more than other costumes such as the Yuna outfit.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on August 21, 2013, 04:02:52 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/21/sazh-and-mog-also-return-for-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/

To swipe Yggra's Lightning, a bunch of details have come out about the game.

Of note is that this Sazh is a completely different Sazh from the previous game despite the fact that he, along with Sora Noel and Hope were the only ones left after the world came to a screeching halt. Although I suspect that we should accept no substitutes in this case given his sad sack description.

Meanwhile Mog is a completely the same fucking Mog from the previous game who's been around for hundreds of years, made a village, and made it to the end of the checkers board despite the fact that he ended 13-2 like a puppet with its strings cut. They seem to want us to care about this trilogy, yet they just keep retconning everything.

They're calling the latest Lightning fashion Heartstealer instead of Locke's Clothes. And judging from the screen shots, I bet they're a little tight, but the price is right.

Also Lightning will apparently acquire an epic mount at some point. Though judging from the description, it sounds like we'll be raising Chocobos yet again.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/21/lightning-heads-to-wildlands-and-saves-a-moogle-village/

Also also, a trailer.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 21, 2013, 03:31:06 PM
They seem to want us to care about this trilogy, yet they just keep retconning everything.

*sigh* How many times I've responded to you about this same shit already? I'm not gonna bother now because fuck it, if you don't care and you are gonna keep acting like others salty fans have been for a long time now then why should I care. I mean, at this point is just a waste of a time really.

What's stupid is that stuff like Metal Gear or Resident Evil are expanded and retconned all the time but I don't see anyone being all hot and bothered about that, but (some) FF fans freak out when that happens like it's anything new in the series.

---

Lightning Returns Cloud Strife Gear (Extended Look) (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/08/lightning-returns-cloud-strife-gear-extended-look/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

Edited for extended trailer.*
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on August 21, 2013, 05:01:58 PM
They seem to want us to care about this trilogy, yet they just keep retconning everything.

*sigh* How many times I've responded to you about this same shit already? I'm not gonna bother now because fuck it, if you don't care and you are gonna keep acting like others salty fans have been for a long time now then why should I care. I mean, at this point is just a waste of a time really.

What's dumb is that stuff like Metal Gear or Resident Evil are expanded and retconned all the time but I don't see anyone being all hot and bothered about that, but (some) FF fans freak out when that happens like is anything new in the series.

That's because neither Metal Gear nor Resident Evil take themselves nearly as seriously as Final Fantasy does. Metal Gear is not above having a boss drop dead on you from old age or having you play hide and seek with him across Central America. When has an FF boss done that? Or are you suggesting that the FFXIII trilogy is a parody of overly ambitious trilogies written by people who's literary experiences both start and end with Fanfiction.net? Because I can honestly believe that at this point.

Either way, my intention was not to reopen that old war wound of your Yggdra.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 21, 2013, 05:07:57 PM
That's because neither Metal Gear nor Resident Evil take themselves nearly as seriously as Final Fantasy does.

To a certain extent that's bullshit.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on August 21, 2013, 06:58:48 PM
That's because neither Metal Gear nor Resident Evil take themselves nearly as seriously as Final Fantasy does.

To a certain extent that's bullshit.

To a certain extent, yes.

But to a certain extent, we're trying to compare a video game series that tells the tale of an alternate history where dumb action movies are real things that actually happened and have shaped human history/progress, and a video game series that tells the tale of an alternate history where zombie apocalypses happen every month or so, to a video game series about this fantastic world created by a bunch of gods and goddesses that ultimately left the world like a bubble resting on the point of a needle, where any idiot with access to a chest containing a goddess's heart can end the world simply by letting a sharp, pointy-thingy get pulled into said chest during a cutscene.

And yes, Metal Gear does try to be melodramatic when recently defeated bosses spill their life's story faster than their guts spill their lifeblood over the next 5 minutes, just like Resident Evil tries to be insightful anytime when Albert Wesker starts talking or the word 'evolution' pops up. And just like those games Final Fantasy tries to be funny with "Choco-boco-lina!" or "This is the Yuel who died while watching Friends, and this is the Yuel who died from choking on a CrackerJack, and this is the Yuel who died while giving herself a bad perm, and so on....".
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 21, 2013, 07:14:10 PM
^You are just ranting there man. I can't take you seriously, sorry.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Jotacon on August 22, 2013, 12:12:28 AM
Honestly, I'm pretty sure of all the franchises to mention RE is one of the worst to pick. Resident Evil takes it self ridiculously seriously, it has one of the most ridiculous identity crisis' of all time. Some people might disagree, but IMO Silent Hill has more jokes at its expense all the time. Plus, the UFO endings etc.... It is because nobody remembers that the franchise is stupid to begin with that we ended up with RE 5 and 6.

Metal Gear takes itself down a peg all the time and is constantly goofy, but when it is serious it means business. Final Fantasy is never quite that goofy or that focused so I don't know where to rate that.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on August 22, 2013, 12:44:18 AM
I haven't followed those arguments fully but I think it's kind of stupid in general to get indignant over someone not liking blatant retcons and inconsistencies.

Personally, I just don't take it seriously. These FFXIII sequels are so completely inane that for the most part it's better to just laugh at it all rather than get worked up one way or the other. Though I do find the breast expansion exasperating and this talk of a "more vulnerable Lightning" is alarming, it really does feel like to some degree they may be doing the worst kind of pandering. Have to see the execution on whether it's actually fleshing a character out or if they're going Other M on her.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 22, 2013, 12:55:36 AM
@Jotacon: Well, it kinda comes down to the perception of the player to take the experience however their want in a way. There's people who take both RE and MG stories as seriously as much the games themselves do (or can) and that's part of fun for some while others can't stand it and somehow they just have to deal with it at the end of the day.

@Eusis: Whatever happens a good chunk of people is always gonna find a thousand reasons to not like LR and make other people fall into their line of reasoning and what not.

Is alright if anyone feel the need to do that, but there's a line between being annoyed by something they don't like and having personal problems with it as I've seen over the years.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on August 22, 2013, 01:10:43 AM
@Eusis: Whatever happens a good chunk of people is always gonna find a thousand reasons to not like LR and make other people fall into their line of reasoning and what not.

Is alright if anyone feel the need to do that, but there's a line between being annoyed by something they don't like and having personal problems with it as I've seen over the years.

I think it's at least partially an echo chamber effect really. Granted people with issues with whatever seeing others with the same issues tends to make them stick out more and more in people's heads, but I think a good chunk of the time there IS a root problem there: ME3's ending really was pretty lousy for example, though the reaction went completely overboard. Though I haven't followed much of what Aeolus said in the past there, partially because I tend not to want to follow every little detail, especially with some of these details out of context anyway.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on August 22, 2013, 02:10:38 AM
@Eusis: Whatever happens a good chunk of people is always gonna find a thousand reasons to not like LR and make other people fall into their line of reasoning and what not.

Is alright if anyone feel the need to do that, but there's a line between being annoyed by something they don't like and having personal problems with it as I've seen over the years.

I think it's at least partially an echo chamber effect really. Granted people with issues with whatever seeing others with the same issues tends to make them stick out more and more in people's heads, but I think a good chunk of the time there IS a root problem there: ME3's ending really was pretty lousy for example, though the reaction went completely overboard. Though I haven't followed much of what Aeolus said in the past there, partially because I tend not to want to follow every little detail, especially with some of these details out of context anyway.

If there's a root reason I'm upset (and I'm not really that upset anyways, just really fucking bored due to SA's monthly pay wall being up for the past month and will likely remain so for the remainder of this month; Edit: also because there's been a dry spell of news lately, so any reprieve is appreciated), its because I used to actually like Square and Enix and their games, but nowadays they just seem to be out to make the literary version of the Tower of Babel when it comes to writing their flagship titles (or spamming GREE-ware). And it's not just the FF series but other clusterfucks (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8cPyvE2GTjOMzE4MTVlZTctMjE5Yi00YzAzLWJjZTAtZTllODY2OTc2MTMx/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1) as well. It honestly feels like they're trying to challenge the Star Wars Expanded Universe for the title biggest literary clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on August 22, 2013, 01:53:02 PM
^ I can make any story sound that stupid with that format.

I haven't followed those arguments fully but I think it's kind of stupid in general to get indignant over someone not liking blatant retcons and inconsistencies.

Personally, I just don't take it seriously. These FFXIII sequels are so completely inane that for the most part it's better to just laugh at it all rather than get worked up one way or the other. Though I do find the breast expansion exasperating and this talk of a "more vulnerable Lightning" is alarming, it really does feel like to some degree they may be doing the worst kind of pandering. Have to see the execution on whether it's actually fleshing a character out or if they're going Other M on her.

Thank you for implying that there is good pandering and bad pandering and I agree that this is certainly of the bad kind. The little bit of character that Lightning has is completely thrown out in favor of suggestive victory posing and pop idol demeanor. It's just... really off.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 22, 2013, 03:00:10 PM
^If you think that they went too far then what does that mean for others JRPGs where the main appeal from the beginning is the fanservice?

It honestly feels like they're trying to challenge the Star Wars Expanded Universe for the title biggest literary clusterfuck.

They haven't made something as big as the Compilation of FFVII yet (ignoring Kingdom Hearts).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on August 22, 2013, 03:05:21 PM
I just said that there's good pandering and bad pandering. All your DoAs and fanservice JRPG's are exactly that, fanservice. There's nothing wrong with that, and I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm usually a fan. They don't try to mask their intentions or anything.

I'm sure I will love Lightning Returns, but liking or disliking a game isn't a matter of black and white. Fans of a game and or series should feel comfortable admitting to the game or series' flaws without feeling like they're condemning something they like.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 23, 2013, 12:46:30 AM
^Fanservice can be bothersome when it gets in the way of the gameplay, which is something fighting games doesn't have to worry too much since stuff like that is in most cases a plus unlike RPGs in where everything in some capacity has to have context and balance to it.

Anyways.

Lightning Returns Dengeki Interview talks about the differences between each continent (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/08/lightning-returns-dengeki-interview-talks-about-the-differences-between-each-continent/)

Lightning Returns: a more vulnerable heroine running out of time (http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/21/4644112/lightning-returns-a-more-vulnerable-heroine-running-out-of-time)

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII 'Chocobo Mission' off-screen footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CisnhyX5OGo#t=0m55s)

Fang won't be the only guest character to join your party in Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/08/fang-wont-be-the-only-guest-character-to-join-your-party-in-lightning-returns/)

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII let's players freeze time during missions (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/29/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-gives-players-an-ability-to-freeze-time-during-missions/)

Source(s): Nova Crystallis, Polygon, Siliconera
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 02, 2013, 04:20:55 AM
Inside the Square: Episode 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssEpJNZ8W74) -- SQEXMembersNA, YouTube

Lightning Returns videos show samurai themed Japanese pre-order outfits (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/09/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii.html) -- All Games Beta

from Gematsu:

"In Japan, the costumes are available as pre-order bonuses through different retailers. The Sohei Savior costume, however, is a pre-order bonus for the game's soundtrack. In Europe, some of these costumes are available through pre-ordering the game, as well."
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on September 03, 2013, 08:50:15 PM
I'm coming at this not really having followed all the posts, maybe the last few pages. I heard Other M mentioned a page back, and it scared the crap out of me... I don't think any other game has ground a series to a screeching halt to the extent that Other M did. However, I think Lightning has a bit more possible flexibility than Samus, and she's a slightly problematic character to begin with. Samus has always been generic super hero badass, the series never made an attempt to establish her as anything more than a paper cutout, and that's fine for what it is. Other M not only broke with that in trying to develop Samus (which I have no problem with), but basically blew apart everything we had established with her up until then. Instead of being a game where you were able to see a bit more of the subtleties of her character, it re-wrote her character and told us that this is how she should be viewed in every game. horrible.

But this is different. If we take what the designers are saying seriously, they're not trying to re-write her character but develop it. And lets face it, Lightning is pretty gosh darn wooden, and could use some fleshing out. The reason she's so wooden is that they've been trying to push the "ultimate badass" image, which has no depth and every facet is specifically designed to look "cool". But alternatively, we've seen very little of her. We've seen her through one relentless event in which the emotional pathos itself was very unwavering, and did little to test her character. If they continued exactly on the trend they've done up until now, many of us would write Lightning off as bland and boring. We can coolly except that the events of FFXIII-1 were all very static and thus it's not out of the realm of possibility to not see many sides of the character, but it would be a total taste of faith to do it again.

And so where do we go from here? Well, Lightning is about as invulnerable as they come, the only direction is down. Want to see a different side of Claire? (I certainly do) we're gonna have to see her at a slightly more vulnerable state. And as far as I can tell, an "invulnerable" Lightning is probably just a "normal" anyone else, so I doubt we're going to see her fainting or running away and crying in fear. There is no question that they could totally fuck it up, too, that they are playing to the lowest common denominator of female stereotypes and fanservice, but I haven't seen anything to support this or to debunk it either.

The videos I've seen don't really seem all the different, and once again we get the over-the-top "badass" sword poses from the wooden years, so I'm not even sure I believe the change will be noticeable. If done correctly, the vulnerability change could be EXACTLY what Lightning (and the series) needs. Then again, it could be a disaster.

And the outfits... meh. So far they all tend to conform to the "badass" class in different ways. Some of them are ugly, some are interesting, but I'm not feeling bothered by any.

EDIT: on another note, I just watched the new locations vids and I was surprisingly impressed. Many of them FELT different, somehow, than most other games I've played. Especially the Wildlands... there's something very ungeneric about such a typically generic theme. For one, it feels like subarctic wilderness for a change, instead of subtropical. I got a distinct Eastern Washington or rural Canada vibe from it. Also, for the first time since FF8, I think they NAILED the modern day feel in Luxurion, even if it was a bit gothic. Ever since FF9, they've been so intent on establishing that "this is not our world", it's good to see some locales that really feel earth-like again. FFXII had its moments, but they were very limited and generic.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 04, 2013, 11:27:24 PM
Lightning is not "badass", part of her character has always been presented as someone stoic and with a sense of discipline for the life she has had. That was shown back in XIII and a bunch of people misinterpreted that as her being badass (or underdeveloped) just for sake of it.

Honestly I never saw that much difference with her and Squall in the way they interact with other characters or any kind of emotion (or lack there of for some people) that they might show in their respective games. Now if Kitase and Toriyama want to show a more emtional Lightning (which really you can sort of see it in XIII-2) reacting to everything she went through and all that, that's great, but I hope they pull it off in a way that make sense whithin her character.

And fanservice? Well... is fanservice. My world is not gonna crumble because of it. *shrug*

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Jump details Noel in Lightning Returns (http://gematsu.com/2013/09/jump-details-noel-in-lightning-returns) -- Gematsu

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Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on September 05, 2013, 12:21:26 AM
Meh, I'm just defending her characterization. I didn't mind her in FF13, but unlike Squall, she didn't really develop much... not that the plot gave her much opportunity. (please, let's not go there, I love FF8 and I know everyone likes to hate on it). However, I forgot to mention a few amazing moments where they showed her display subtleties I've never seen before in a video game, especially the knife gift flashback... that was unreal. The problem is, even if the creators weren't trying to go for a hard boiled static badass, they didn't really give much reason for the audience to believe otherwise. Stoic is one thing, but remaining stoic through everything that happened to all of them is pretty unrealistic, and I'd prefer my characters to be more human. As I said, I can possibly be convinced into believing stoicism for one game, but two would just feel forced.

I still don't see anything I would call fan service. Unless you're broadening that to mean things outside of the sexual realm. If awesome costumes that fans will think are neat, sure, I guess that counts.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 05, 2013, 04:19:12 AM
Meh, I'm just defending her characterization. I didn't mind her in FF13, but unlike Squall, she didn't really develop much... not that the plot gave her much opportunity. (please, let's not go there, I love FF8 and I know everyone likes to hate on it).

...? I'm not starting anything.

Stoic is one thing, but remaining stoic through everything that happened to all of them is pretty unrealistic, and I'd prefer my characters to be more human. As I said, I can possibly be convinced into believing stoicism for one game, but two would just feel forced.

Lightning wasn't constantly stoic, I saw her going through her fases in XIII and XIII-2. Some like the way it handled and others don't, but it is there.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 05, 2013, 07:03:11 AM
Jump details Noel in Lightning Returns (http://gematsu.com/2013/09/jump-details-noel-in-lightning-returns) -- Gematsu

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I know I'm kicking Yggdrasil's hornet nest by posting again, but I just gotta ask, where's the black trenchcoat/hoodie/cape/fur-lined jacket Squeenix? You can't just have a character throw on some black cargo pants and call himself a "Shadow Warrior". If you're going to make the clown into a douchebag, then knuckle down and go all in.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on September 05, 2013, 01:59:28 PM
Damn, I liked Noel, one of my favorite characters in the series in the last 10 years! I hope they make him fairly sympathetic.

Now Snow is the douchebag ou extraodinaire! I don't mind beating the shit out of his sorry ass. Why Serah didn't drop him like a rock when she met Noel is beyond me.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on September 05, 2013, 03:46:05 PM
^Amen. Watching Snow and Serah's relationship unfold in X-2 is the most awkward and uncomfortable  thing about the game. Mostly because the game never changed tone about Snow being some kind of super-good guy even though he was clearly an abusive douchebag.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on September 05, 2013, 04:31:30 PM
Douchebag, sure, but how was Snow ever abusive?  While I like pretty much nothing about his character, I still don't see that.  He seemed pretty sincere about their relationship...in a creepy way.

I can't believe I'm defending Snow...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on September 05, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
I don't honestly remember. I just know I got that feeling a couple of times, particularly in the Sunleth Waterscape scenes. There was also something about the way Serah went on about her devotion to him and how great he is that also seemed a bit disconcerting.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 05, 2013, 09:10:35 PM
Got this out from FF Wiki, pretty accurate description of Snow:

"Snow is a relentless optimist and a self-proclaimed "hero" who wishes to protect and help anyone in need. Although his heart may be in the right place, his naivety and optimism rub people the wrong way. He talks and acts before thinking, unintentionally causing trouble and putting others in danger. Lightning describes Snow as "arrogant and chummy from the get-go, thinks he's everyone's pal," and that his best quality is being "too stubborn to die." In Final Fantasy XIII Episode Zero -Promise-, Lightning compares Snow to her father as being easy-going and passionate but unreliable.

Snow is hot-headed and fearless, not afraid to push his limits and has little regard for authorities. Snow hides whatever guilt he feels by acting optimistic, though doing so causes people to misunderstand him. Snow is defined by his love for Serah and even after learning about her becoming a Pulse l'Cie, he chooses to stand beside her and help her complete her Focus. His relationship with Serah puts him in conflict with Lightning, who at first believes him to be an irresponsible idiot unworthy of her sister."


And in Lightning Returns:

"Though his desire to protect people remains, he has become the polar opposite of his former self: dark, jaded, brooding, and depressed. He speaks like a "broken man," and harbors the regret of not being able to save Serah, reveling more in the city's nightlife as opposed to his duties as patron, gaining him the title of "Lord of the feasthall". During an interview, it was stated that despite his darkened attitude, Snow is still a good person, caring for the people of Yusnaan, as opposed to the more villainous Don Corneo from Final Fantasy VII. He appears to be either closely linked to or heavily infected by Chaos, as when he and Lightning meet in his palace and he performs a powerful spell, a thick cloud of Chaos appears and flows around him."

There was also something about the way Serah went on about her devotion to him and how great he is that also seemed a bit disconcerting.

It was this scene? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywMHnJJ-KpM)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 06, 2013, 05:52:27 PM
It seems like a lot of the returning characters in XIII-3 are polar opposites of their former selves. Lightning is becoming Lightning-chan, Serah-chan has become a loli-goth Sentai villianess ala Rita Repulsa, Sazh went from scrappy underdog to a miserable pile of useless, Noel went from being Kingdom Heart's Sora to The 'SHADOW WARRIOR', Hope went from kid to Gerodi and now back to kid, and now Snow has gone from that one shonen protagonist that's older than the main protagonist (you know the one) to that one detective that's two days from retirement and too old for this shit and just wants to spend his few remaining days in a bottle (you know the one).

I wonder what's next? Will Fang go from being a man in a woman's body to a woman in a woman's body? Will Vanille go from being a pretty little lying anime to Aliens' Ellen Ripley? And will Chocolina go from Chocobocolina to Bocochocolina? Find out in the next episode of F, F, Thirteen!
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on September 06, 2013, 09:05:28 PM
I love you, Aeolus.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 07, 2013, 12:03:25 AM
"Earlier this week, a listing appeared on Amazon Japan (http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4757541252) for a currently untitled Lightning Returns novel. Written by Benny Matsuyama and priced at ¥980 (approximately $9.85), it will cover some of the events in the 500 years between the end of XIII-2 and Lightning's awakening from crystal sleep at the beginning of Lightning Returns. The description of the novel is incredibly brief, but promises to deliver a drama of people struggling against despair in a world eroded by Chaos. The publishing date on Amazon is 11/21/2013, the same date that the game itself releases in Japan. Since it was confirmed recently that there would be no supplemental material post-release, it seems likely the novel will be published on or before the Amazon date." -- Nova Crystallis (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/09/the-lightning-returns-prequel-novel-is-a-drama-about-humanity-resisting-despair/)

I love you, Aeolus.

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Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 12, 2013, 12:05:21 PM
Lightning Returns takes around 20-30 hours to complete, costumes carry over to New Game+ (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/09/this-weeks-famitsu-has-more-lightning-returns-details/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

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Official Japanese site update (link to the site can be found in the OP (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=11607.msg258981#msg258981)):

・New screenshots
・New tracks and artwork added
・New sections added for Noel, Caius, Sazh and Yeul
・Video with a synopsis of Hope's story (JP only)

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[LRFFXIII] Lightning Costume Collection in Luxerion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC-2soNWrd0) -- squareenix, YouTube
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on September 13, 2013, 02:06:31 PM
Douchebag, sure, but how was Snow ever abusive?  While I like pretty much nothing about his character, I still don't see that.  He seemed pretty sincere about their relationship...in a creepy way.

I can't believe I'm defending Snow...

Agreed, he's the very definition of douchbaggery, but I'm not seeing any abuse. Maybe some neglect, though it's fairly justifiable (if a bit extreme). But talk about lack of chemistry, and just their physical makeup is extremely unsettling. But if you think that Serah is, what 19? and Snow is, even though he's huge and physically imposing, he's probably around the same age as Lightning, who is 2 years older than Serah, it's really not that creepy. But the designers could have gone a long way toward making them more comfortable as a couple.

But it's as if the designers didn't want us to like them. So far, the actual completion of their romance seems so unlikely at this point, that who cares? Serah died (though somehow comes back), Snow has found some new life as a dictator or something-or-other. And practically everyone sees more in Serah/Noel's relationship. It's hard for me to imagine the developers wrapping this up with a happy wedding. Honestly, I'd be cheering my butt off if they decided to toss in the towel at the end of the series... how many times have we seen an engagement broken off in a videogame? I think it's an unspoken taboo, and I'd think very highly of the developers if they went against the grain.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 13, 2013, 04:42:01 PM
^You got the wrong idea about the characters. In XIII the main cast isn't that complex once you get what their motivation and story is.

Snow had a strong devotion for Serah because she was the the first one in his entire life that he could be as close with someone (sentimentally speaking) after growing up as an orphan with his childhood friends (Gadot and Lebreau), and he was never douchebag, at best he could be annoying because is easy to misunderstand his actions (which really can be said for most of the characters in XIII at first).

Now in LR he feels like crap because he couldn't take care of Serah as he promised to Lightning even though he really tried. He still has his virtue of protecting those who need his help and for that he becomes the patron of Yusnaan by popular acclaim.

Hope: "Did you notice the people here call Snow 'the Patron'? He's in charge of this city, and has been for a long time."

Lightning: "The Patron? I don't see it. Sure, he liked to look after people, but lording it over an entire city?"

Hope: "Well, it wasn't his choice. He started out just trying to help everyone, and eventually he became ruler by popular acclaim. Although, I'm not so sure he actually rules anything anymore. He doesn't do much these days except preside over the nightly revelry. Lord of the feasthall."

And that's all I can say without getting into more spoilers.

Serah is, what 19?

18 in XIII.

and Snow is, even though he's huge and physically imposing, he's probably around the same age as Lightning, who is 2 years older than Serah, it's really not that creepy. But the designers could have gone a long way toward making them more comfortable as a couple.

Both Lighting and Snow are 21 in XIII.

But it's as if the designers didn't want us to like them. So far, the actual completion of their romance seems so unlikely at this point, that who cares?

You and other people might not like them but there is a group of people that does.

About who cares about their romance? Probably Kitase. Portraying that kind of drama in FF is something that he would do.

And practically everyone sees more in Serah/Noel's relationship.

While I know I'm gonna get told that I'm wrong. Serah and Noel never had that kind of chemistry.

It's hard for me to imagine the developers wrapping this up with a happy wedding. Honestly, I'd be cheering my butt off if they decided to toss in the towel at the end of the series... how many times have we seen an engagement broken off in a videogame? I think it's an unspoken taboo, and I'd think very highly of the developers if they went against the grain.

It was Toriyama I think that said a bunch of times that LR is gonna have the happiest ending ever after the last two endings being 'bad endings'.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on September 13, 2013, 05:56:42 PM

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Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 13, 2013, 07:10:41 PM
If I'm not shitting on the game(s) then who cares right?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on September 13, 2013, 09:29:37 PM
? not following you. Just having a spot of fun.

BTW: No one's looking forward to this game more than me! New outfits look awesome! I secretly love costume stuff. I'll admit it, I help my girlfriend make outfits for her Sims. Guess that means I should turn in my man card, huh.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Alisha on September 13, 2013, 10:04:57 PM
lightning in a suit...
<3 <3 <3
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on September 13, 2013, 11:02:39 PM
I see not one, but two Red Mage outfits! Red mage always wins.

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Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Ranadiel on September 14, 2013, 07:39:32 AM
how many times have we seen an engagement broken off in a videogame? I think it's an unspoken taboo, and I'd think very highly of the developers if they went against the grain.
Probably more times than you think. Normally it is done on the wedding day of course, for dramatic reasons. Off the top of my head, FFX and Dragon Quest 8.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on September 14, 2013, 05:08:12 PM
Totally different, those are antagonistic characters forcing woman to marry against their wishes. I'm talking about formerly romantic involvements that slowly drift apart. I've NEVER seen that in a game... But it happens a lot in reality.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 14, 2013, 10:01:01 PM
Totally different, those are antagonistic characters forcing woman to marry against their wishes. I'm talking about formerly romantic involvements that slowly drift apart. I've NEVER seen that in a game... But it happens a lot in reality.

FFVI with Terra and Locke? Granted they don't really get together before Locke finds his Rachel expy in Celes but it does come up once or twice before Terra moves on to crushing on the ill-fated General Leo.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on September 15, 2013, 03:12:31 PM
Totally different, those are antagonistic characters forcing woman to marry against their wishes. I'm talking about formerly romantic involvements that slowly drift apart. I've NEVER seen that in a game... But it happens a lot in reality.

This is actually a good point.  I started musing on this and very few games other than the whole "former childhood crush" that use the idea.  When it comes to Japan, it's probably a cultural thing.

Xenosaga plays with the idea a bit.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on September 15, 2013, 03:49:29 PM
I don't think it's specifically Japanese, though. It's kind of a universal taboo. It sort of goes against one of the basic principals of romanticism: that love is eternal and lasts through everything. Most games try to depict some outcome of "emotional purity," even in the face of extreme turmoil or evil. Having the main characters do anything that goes against emotional purity is very uncommon. We've seen some instances of excuses: coercion, naiveté, characters that start off not so pure and become more so later, etc. But for a game to end with a romance that drifts apart is virtually unheard of, as far as I can see.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: unsmashable_pumpkin on September 15, 2013, 04:35:10 PM
I don't think it's specifically Japanese, though. It's kind of a universal taboo. It sort of goes against one of the basic principals of romanticism: that love is eternal and lasts through everything. Most games try to depict some outcome of "emotional purity," even in the face of extreme turmoil or evil. Having the main characters do anything that goes against emotional purity is very uncommon. We've seen some instances of excuses: coercion, naiveté, characters that start off not so pure and become more so later, etc. But for a game to end with a romance that drifts apart is virtually unheard of, as far as I can see.

Well, not an RPG, but Catherine is the closest I can think of when it comes to dealing with those type of issues. Real-life aspects of relationships is not really something that is covered by video-games as they tend to focus on more fantastical issues. That being said, a few of the social links in Persona 3 were dealing tangentally with issues of divorce, so perhaps that counts?

I doubt that Serah and Snow are going to break up, though. :P
Hopefully the wedding dress is fabulous. They are focusing heavily on fashion in this game, so I can't see why it shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on September 15, 2013, 04:57:39 PM
Douchebag, sure, but how was Snow ever abusive?  While I like pretty much nothing about his character, I still don't see that.  He seemed pretty sincere about their relationship...in a creepy way.

I can't believe I'm defending Snow...

Agreed, he's the very definition of douchbaggery, but I'm not seeing any abuse. Maybe some neglect, though it's fairly justifiable (if a bit extreme). But talk about lack of chemistry, and just their physical makeup is extremely unsettling. But if you think that Serah is, what 19? and Snow is, even though he's huge and physically imposing, he's probably around the same age as Lightning, who is 2 years older than Serah, it's really not that creepy. But the designers could have gone a long way toward making them more comfortable as a couple.

But it's as if the designers didn't want us to like them. So far, the actual completion of their romance seems so unlikely at this point, that who cares? Serah died (though somehow comes back), Snow has found some new life as a dictator or something-or-other. And practically everyone sees more in Serah/Noel's relationship. It's hard for me to imagine the developers wrapping this up with a happy wedding. Honestly, I'd be cheering my butt off if they decided to toss in the towel at the end of the series... how many times have we seen an engagement broken off in a videogame? I think it's an unspoken taboo, and I'd think very highly of the developers if they went against the grain.

Even though I know you're wrong, insofar there are still a startling amount of SnowxSerah supporters (who the fuck knows why because I agree with everything you said, hell it's even played up in their paradox ending to a hammy load (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oljzmMS-ubY#t=200)); I'd love to see a game with the engagement off.

That is if Serah hasn't used up all of her "1ups" yet. 
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Ranadiel on September 16, 2013, 06:49:49 AM
I don't think it's specifically Japanese, though. It's kind of a universal taboo. It sort of goes against one of the basic principals of romanticism: that love is eternal and lasts through everything. Most games try to depict some outcome of "emotional purity," even in the face of extreme turmoil or evil. Having the main characters do anything that goes against emotional purity is very uncommon. We've seen some instances of excuses: coercion, naiveté, characters that start off not so pure and become more so later, etc. But for a game to end with a romance that drifts apart is virtually unheard of, as far as I can see.
I know that games exist with this sort of dynamic. I'm just having a hard time thinking of any because it isn't a plot point which really doesn't resound with me so I tend to just not remember it. I mean I guess Ar Tonelico 2 sort of has it with the initial relationship with Luca, but that would probably fall under "excuses" for you.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 16, 2013, 09:33:33 AM
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"A new demo traversing the Wildlands will be featured in Tokyo Game Show." -- Lightning Returns News (Tumblr) (http://lightning-returns-news.tumblr.com/post/61396999576/a-new-demo-traversing-the-wildlands-will-be)

Sample nine tracks from the Lightning Returns original soundtrack (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/09/sample-nine-tracks-from-the-lightning-returns-original-soundtrack/) -- Nova Crystallis

Those are the tracks from the last update of official Japanese site. These are spoilers of course for those who like to experience the soundtrack while playing the game for the first time.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on September 16, 2013, 03:19:38 PM
Catherine is an incredibly mature and sophisticated game... I need to finish it. Of all things, my girlfriend gave it to me! But above and beyond, I think it would be interesting to see a game that just dealt with the fact that relationships change, especially young relationships. Nothing sinister or amoral even, just two protagonists who's relationship slowly drifted apart. I had this happen when I was younger a few times, it was sad but very honest and realistic. I think it could be done in a not so negative way either, where one or both protagonists find love in other people, and realize that the original romance just wasn't as fulfilling as they thought. I'm sure there are small side examples, and I'm sure there are some exambles where woman are with villain men and fall in love with protagonists, but that usually falls into the "woman getting out of an abusive relationship" description, which is something entirely different.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 16, 2013, 07:48:51 PM
Now that I think about it, don't the Ys series and the Zelda series kinda go with the 'parting is such sweet sorrow' endings?

Or at least they go with "There's romantic feelings in the air tonight, but adventure is my first and true mistress.".
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 16, 2013, 08:03:42 PM
@Prime Mover: I still haven't replayed Catherine since my first playthrough left a pretty big impression on me. It really is one of the best games released in the last few years.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 21, 2013, 09:39:01 AM
Yuna Garb (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_BFovD7cYA) -- SQEXMembersNA, YouTube

(http://i39.tinypic.com/fnenig.jpg)

Players will need to purchase Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster on PS3 or Vita in order to obtain this outfit for use in Lightning Returns.*

---

Tokyo Game Show Stream:

Customization (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wexiHFxQVkY)

Social Features (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ttt7Gcclig)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Darilon on September 21, 2013, 10:42:48 AM
I am probably looking forward to this game a lot more than most members on RPGFan but have to say that I have not changed my opinion on the Yuna costume at all after seeing it in video format rather than simply a screenshot. It just looks off and doesn't suit the character at all. I am fine with others such as the Locke's costume though.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on September 21, 2013, 10:48:56 AM
Eh, it's just a cross-promotional thing anyway like the Mi'qote costume from FFXIV, probably not all that useful in the game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Farron on September 21, 2013, 10:55:36 AM
I agree with you, Darilon, it looks so out of place. The good thing about it is that there are so many already we'll probably forget it exists.
I know I won't be able to use it even if I want to as I plan to import the X/X-2 collection in Japanese to train a bit but I'll also wait a bit since in the Vita they are selling them separate and at a pretty steep price.

Back to Lightning Returns, I'm also very excited for it. The music I've heard so far sounds very good, and there's a thing about those vibrant colors in Final Fantasy that put a smile on my face anytime.
Also I'm a big fan of the job system in any FF game. Ever since I played X-2 I feel in love with this ability to have such much stuff at will.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 21, 2013, 12:46:47 PM
I agree with you, Darilon, it looks so out of place. The good thing about it is that there are so many already we'll probably forget it exists.

*shrug* It looks fine. Some would argue that the costume of Paine from X-2 would have been a better choice and I find it weird that they didn't do that instead.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on September 21, 2013, 05:32:01 PM
I kinda just like seeing an "HD Yuna" (with Lightning's head).

It doesn't really suit.... quite frankly, anything "white mage-y" doesn't sound like it'd suit Lightning.

Anyways, yeaaay hype.  I can't believe how much press this game has even with it being (I think) 4 months away still.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Farron on September 22, 2013, 06:43:28 AM
 Now there's tje Aeris costume (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/09/21/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-gets-an-aerith-costume-from-final-fantasy-vii/)
If they only gave us the costume we all want (Tifa)...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Darilon on September 22, 2013, 07:20:39 AM
Now there's tje Aeris costume (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/09/21/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-gets-an-aerith-costume-from-final-fantasy-vii/)
If they only gave us the costume we all want (Tifa)...

It is strange. Before I saw the video I would have said it would be as off as the Yuna costume but it wasn't that bad. Maybe it is because the outfit is pretty normal.

I would actually love an Agrias outfit.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on September 22, 2013, 07:27:42 AM
Agrias, or Ravness even moreso from the TO remake, would both fit Lightning quite well.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 22, 2013, 07:55:31 AM
Now there's tje Aeris costume (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/09/21/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-gets-an-aerith-costume-from-final-fantasy-vii/)
If they only gave us the costume we all want (Tifa)...

And another staff chick costume. Does this one include a 'getting shanked by a ten foot long Japanese Katana' attack at least?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 22, 2013, 08:27:40 AM
Lightning and Aerith share the same voice actress (Maaya Sakamoto).

Edit: Tokyo Game Show 2013 Trailer (Extended Cut) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lynHTDihOMk) -- SQEXMembersNA, YouTube
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on September 22, 2013, 09:59:52 AM
Now there's tje Aeris costume (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/09/21/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-gets-an-aerith-costume-from-final-fantasy-vii/)
If they only gave us the costume we all want (Tifa)...

And another staff chick costume. Does this one include a 'getting shanked by a ten foot long Japanese Katana' attack at least?

I think ALL of the REST of the FF7 cast (even Barret!?) would have suited her better than Aeris.

Lightning is one of those chicks who would look good in the --tight business pants-- than she would in frilly skirts is what I'm trying to say.  So (IMO) she kinda clashes with the Yuna and Aeris design; but the Locke one worked beautifully.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 22, 2013, 11:39:24 AM
Now there's tje Aeris costume (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/09/21/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-gets-an-aerith-costume-from-final-fantasy-vii/)
If they only gave us the costume we all want (Tifa)...

And another staff chick costume. Does this one include a 'getting shanked by a ten foot long Japanese Katana' attack at least?

I think ALL of the REST of the FF7 cast (even Barret!?) would have suited her better than Aeris.

Lightning is one of those chicks who would look good in the --tight business pants-- than she would in frilly skirts is what I'm trying to say.  So (IMO) she kinda clashes with the Yuna and Aeris design; but the Locke one worked beautifully.

It's that hair of hers really. A pink not side-tail just doesn't really fit many options, although, not nearly as badly as her grumpy attitude clashing with the old-skool FF demure staff-chick designs does.

I think the only pre-FFX female characters that Lightning can pull of cosplaying as are FFV's Faris (the one I've been personally hoping to see), FFVI's Celes (preferably using her Amano design rather than her FFIV Rosa getup used in the game, but I can take either), FFVII's (no bloody AC, BC, CC, or DoC) Titfa, FFIX's Beatrix (maybe, her hair's not really long enough for it), and possibly FFVIII's Quitis (their builds aren't quite similar enough for a smooth conversion and Lightning looks like she can only rock the Dominatrix part of Quitis' Dominatrix/Hot-Teacher look).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 22, 2013, 12:48:00 PM
"Low-quality video of the FFXIV Miqo'te outfit (http://lightning-returns-news.tumblr.com/post/61923680778/low-quality-video-of-the-ffxiv-miqote-outfit)." -- Lightning Returns News (Tumblr)

I think the only pre-FFX female characters that Lightning can pull of cosplaying as are FFV's Faris (the one I've been personally hoping to see)

It seems that there's a costume of Farin from V or something close to it. I haven't seen any screenshot or video of it yet I think.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Giga_Force on September 22, 2013, 04:30:33 PM
Now, I want to replay V.  So underrated :(
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on September 24, 2013, 11:45:33 AM
So the opening video is floating around the net, or whatever it's supposed to be.  We see Light, Snow, and [Pseudo-]Serah ver3.0.

.... In keeping with that small chat earlier about how Final Fantasy characters, despite looking like real people don't look like real people, I really dislike the "high speed anime combat" that you see in the "realistic" CGI trailers....  It bugged me with FF7AC, and it rubs me the wrong way now.  Granted, this does give you a lot more creative leeway than doing things to look like simple 'kung fu fighting' and all that.... but I think I just find it kinda silly looking.  

Or maybe I'm just old and hate what you kids like nowadays.

(http://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Grumpy-old-man.jpg)

The plot looks like a bizarre mess that's completely detached from anything FF13-1 did .  But I can't help but be curious about it.  I don't know if it's because I want to watch a trainwreck happen or because.... well, I'm legitimately curious after the huge problems that surfaced since the end of 13-2.  That, and I definitely think the world looks both beautiful and interesting.

Oh, and here's an infomercial that reminds me of Lightning's new glasses:
(http://i.imgur.com/TPrR3aG.gif)

Also, on the FFV thing.  I actually loved Berserkers.  They did a ton of damage and gave me  one less character to worry about.  I loved it.  I'd love a new FFV; but I guess Brave Default is subbing in (and that's not a bad thing).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Giga_Force on September 24, 2013, 12:55:48 PM
I can't stop laughing at that infomercial, lol.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 24, 2013, 01:37:39 PM
from squareenix, YouTube:

FINAL FANTASY VII Aerith Gainsborough Costume (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHtbTSE_Ues)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/259l4d2.png)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/287g7xk.png)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2hgxv9g.png)

FINAL FANTASY XIV Miqo'te Costume (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qFAuqhCm_A)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2cqyzie.png)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/343r901.png)

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@Dice: As someone who has followed the XIII series for kind of a long time now I can tell you this:

・You do sound like an old fart. At least a bit of your post sounds like that (no offense though).

・Fast-paced battles are something the series has been trying to reach for years and just in the last few years it actually became a thing to have these battle systems with "a sense of speed" to them, which I think is great, not to mention that in XV this kind of cinematic action sequences are a big focus to the overall experience (for what it has been shown so far anyway).

・The only train wreck I've seen in my experience with XIII goes beyond of the game(s) itself with people bitching about retcons to the narrative, being "offended" with the ending of XIII-2 (which I liked a lot) and this stubbornness mixed with adult cynicism that part of the fanbase has with these games.

I don't know really... I feel so detached from the rest of the people that is into FF that I don't mind their attitude much, but sometimes they are way too exaggerated with their opinions. Then again any long-running franchise deals with this I guess...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on September 24, 2013, 02:13:30 PM
I don't mean the combat, I expect that to be fast and fancy.  I'm more just talking about the CGI (2:30 here in her fight with Snow (http://youtu.be/XXJhet4bLlI)).  Wielding massive weapons like it weighs as much as a ballpoint pen, then you got Lightning jumping from pillar to pillar like a squirrel running from a forest fire.  It just looks too phony to me to really enjoy the action. 

I think you might be a bit of a minority too.  People like FF13, just clearly not with the same passion as you (I feel that here with my love of Tri-Ace things and the hurt I feel reading the new PSO thread that has development being headed by them).

It's fair to make an argument for why you like it, but too often you like just poo-poo-ing people who don't see eye-to-eye with you*.  But more than that, after having the FF13 series around for basically the life-length of the PS3 itself, the storyline was not something that seemed to be considered a highlight.  Or, at the very least, good but with sometimes questionable decisions.

* Edit I guess I should really say that, you have tried to justify it... but you're pretty damn good at not letting it go when it's "brought up" again
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Farron on September 24, 2013, 02:42:28 PM
The opening for Lightning Returns is up on SE youtube channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXJhet4bLlI) and in my opinion, it is awesome!
Sure there's a lot of stuff to make your head dizzy if you're trying to make sense out of it, but regardless, I like it.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Darilon on September 24, 2013, 02:58:23 PM
I liked it. The only issue I had with it was with those sunglasses. It just looked like they were trying way to hard to give off that cool vibe. Of course, with the flashing lights they make sense but it doesn't stop them looking ridiculous.

Am I the only one happy with Snows new look? I wasn't a fan of his look in XIII-2 at all. He actually looks like how I imagined him without the bandanna in XIII now. 
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 24, 2013, 03:17:59 PM
@Dice: If people think I'm part of the 'FFXIII Defense Force' because of my "love" for the games then I would just say that they are wrong. Though I don't blame anyone for thinking that since that's the impression I give online.

Either way is not like it really matters since all it comes down to what SQEX does next with FF more than what the fans want out of it. I really hopes XV cleans much of the mess XIII leave behind, but as always is "wait and see" with them.

┐( ̄ヮ ̄)┌

Am I the only one happy with Snows new look? I wasn't a fan of his look in XIII-2 at all. He actually looks like how I imagined him without the bandanna in XIII now.

As someone who likes the hairstyle of Ashley Riot has in Vagrant Story I never could get why his hair looked like that in XIII-2. Maybe they were trying too hard with a "radical look" for him? Dunno.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on September 24, 2013, 03:20:12 PM
Am I the only one happy with Snows new look? I wasn't a fan of his look in XIII-2 at all. He actually looks like how I imagined him without the bandanna in XIII now. 

I still prefer his FFXIII-2 look the most since he was fucking Sabertooth, which made that ending with him the highlight of the game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 09, 2013, 03:36:09 PM
Wildlands Demo Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BfDvU-ORJk) -- Square Portal, YouTube

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Screenshots (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/10/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii_9.html) -- All Games Beta

(http://i41.tinypic.com/30tkp6e.png)(http://i40.tinypic.com/116lxl3.png)(http://i39.tinypic.com/kupe0.png)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on October 09, 2013, 07:24:11 PM
Wildlands Demo Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BfDvU-ORJk) -- Square Portal, YouTube

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Screenshots (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/10/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii_9.html) -- All Games Beta

(http://i41.tinypic.com/30tkp6e.png)(http://i40.tinypic.com/116lxl3.png)(http://i39.tinypic.com/kupe0.png)

Vanilla gets a headdress and the ability to see Bruce Willis and Lightning's just a cape, a tophat, and a mask away from becoming Tuxedo Mask.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 16, 2013, 11:22:00 PM
We played Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII for an hour, these are our impressions (http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/10/16/we-played-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-for-an-hour-heres-our-impressions/) -- Source: DualShockers

Lighting Returns: Final Fantasy XIII: Developers discuss challenges, expectations, and looking ahead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uZM2Iu7ca8) -- DSTVOriginals, YouTube

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII director Motomu Toriyama on the inclusion of provocative costumes among those Lightning will be able to wear (http://finalfantasythings.tumblr.com/post/64243099713) -- Final Fantasy Things (Tumblr)

The actual story of the Final Fantasy XIII Trilogy (http://finalfantasythings.tumblr.com/post/63013629017) -- Final Fantasy Things (Tumblr)

Lightning Returns PLAY ARTS -KAI- Poster:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2els579.png)

(source (http://lightning-returns-news.tumblr.com/image/64205726943))
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 24, 2013, 05:45:27 PM
"New LIGHTNING RETURNS track." (http://lightning-returns-news.tumblr.com/post/64880636260/new-lightning-returns-track) -- LR News (Tumblr)

Fabula Nova Crystallis and a Decade of Final Fantasy XIII - an Interview with Producer Yoshinori Kitase (http://www.shacknews.com/article/81728/fabula-nova-crystallis-a-decade-of-final-fantasy-xiii-an) -- Source: Shacknews
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on October 24, 2013, 11:39:56 PM
It makes me think about sexuality and character portrayal. Sexuality is a definite part of a character's persona, and I'm not opposed to see characters who aren't afraid to openly express that side of themselves. Obviously it titilates fans, but that's also precisely what the character would be going for... so that in itself isn't negative. Even though Lighning hasn't really flaunted her sexual side thus far, it's not hard to imagine her doing it. She's a powerful woman, and often powerful women (and men) use their sexuality to add to that power. Lightning gets a "okay to flaunt" pass from me. Now what I don't care for is when it totally goes against the rest of the character portrayal. Sarah, for instance, I wouldn't put it past her to be cute, but she's definitely no temptress, and putting her in more mature revealing clothing would make me a little upset.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on October 28, 2013, 02:37:27 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/10/28/can-eradicate-entire-species-monsters-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/
Commit Genocide as your favorite pink-haired-anime-person-ice-queen-hybrid!

Kinda cool idea... Kinda sad.  But still kinda cool.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on October 28, 2013, 03:03:23 PM
Eh, just tell yourself that monsters don't reproduce sexually and just pop up from the underworld, and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: bigdeath on October 28, 2013, 03:10:40 PM
So let me get this straight. A woman nicknamed "the Savior" is going to commite mass genocide against poor helpless monsters. Yeah..........nothing wrong with that. :P

Really this game needs to be renamed to FF13: Cosplayers' ultimate fantasy edition. I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Darilon on October 28, 2013, 03:15:28 PM
Eh, just tell yourself that monsters don't reproduce sexually and just pop up from the underworld, and you'll be fine.

That sounds like a horrible habit to have in real life D:

Joking aside, it sounds like a pretty cool feature. I know a lot of people posted asking for something similar to it in that thread, about what you want in an RPG.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: bigdeath on October 28, 2013, 03:18:18 PM
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/e/e4/LRFFXIII_Purple_Moon.png

Is it even possible to fight in a dress like that?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on October 28, 2013, 05:25:16 PM
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/e/e4/LRFFXIII_Purple_Moon.png

Is it even possible to fight in a dress like that?

(http://www.recaption.com/uploads/192354f21d34f0a82f.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yoda on October 28, 2013, 06:54:31 PM
"Videogame"
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on October 28, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
"Videogame"

six of one, half a dozen of the other
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yoda on October 28, 2013, 07:00:37 PM
"Videogame"

six of one, half a dozen of the other

a lightning in the hand is worth two in the bush
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on October 28, 2013, 07:08:52 PM
"Videogame"

six of one, half a dozen of the other

a lightning in the hand is worth two in the bush

red sky at night, sailor's delight
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 28, 2013, 07:42:13 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/243i06q.png) "You guys just don't get it..."
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 06, 2013, 11:24:50 PM
Bhunivelze is revealed in this month's V-Jump (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/11/bhunivelze-is-revealed-in-this-months-v-jump/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

For those who get easily lost in the narrative: Bhunivelze (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Bhunivelze_(Character)) -- FF Wiki
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 09, 2013, 10:35:00 AM
from Square Portal:

Interview with Motomu Toriyama and Yuji Abe – Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII (http://squareportal.net/2013/11/07/interview-with-motomu-toriyama-and-yuji-abe-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/)

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Original Soundtrack Mastered & Ready for Printing (http://squareportal.net/2013/11/08/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-original-soundtrack-mastered-ready-for-printing/)

No Promotional Theme Song for Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII (http://squareportal.net/2013/11/08/no-promotional-theme-song-for-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 09, 2013, 01:27:39 PM
No Promotional Theme Song for Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII (http://squareportal.net/2013/11/08/no-promotional-theme-song-for-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/)

Kinda surprised, but kinda happy.  I feel like these can get kind of hammy-sounding (FF8's especially.... but I love it a lot after I heard it in the worst period of my life and it made me vaguely happy....so that's  a story about me...yeeeup).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 09, 2013, 05:13:36 PM
I just realized how quickly this game is approaching and I have yet to get to XIII-2. Looks like it will be time to pop that in soon... I know this is not the right thread to be bringing up XIII-2 but how much of a departure from XIII can I be looking forward to? Also I heard really mixed things about how long the game is. If I get started on XIII-2 by mid december (gotta finish what I am playing now) will that be long enough to comfortably get through it in prep for lightning returns?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Rockko on November 10, 2013, 06:08:05 PM
I just realized how quickly this game is approaching and I have yet to get to XIII-2. Looks like it will be time to pop that in soon... I know this is not the right thread to be bringing up XIII-2 but how much of a departure from XIII can I be looking forward to? Also I heard really mixed things about how long the game is. If I get started on XIII-2 by mid december (gotta finish what I am playing now) will that be long enough to comfortably get through it in prep for lightning returns?

I cannot speak on the length as I have yet to complete it. What I can say  is that it feels much more like a FF game. I'm in the same position,  as I am trying to complete it before the next one is released. I've enjoyed what little I've played though. It's like they sat down and made a list of things that the lack of made XIII unlike a FF game, (moogles, Chocobos, non-linear dungeons, etc.) and then made sure to include them in this one. It is definitely light on story, and I hope you like time-travel.,,

If you enjoyed the battle system from XIII, don't mind some "cutsie" overtones, and can deal with the lack of plot, then you'll probably have a pretty good time with it.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 10, 2013, 07:39:49 PM
I just realized how quickly this game is approaching and I have yet to get to XIII-2. Looks like it will be time to pop that in soon... I know this is not the right thread to be bringing up XIII-2 but how much of a departure from XIII can I be looking forward to? Also I heard really mixed things about how long the game is. If I get started on XIII-2 by mid december (gotta finish what I am playing now) will that be long enough to comfortably get through it in prep for lightning returns?

I cannot speak on the length as I have yet to complete it. What I can say  is that it feels much more like a FF game. I'm in the same position,  as I am trying to complete it before the next one is released. I've enjoyed what little I've played though. It's like they sat down and made a list of things that the lack of made XIII unlike a FF game, (moogles, Chocobos, non-linear dungeons, etc.) and then made sure to include them in this one. It is definitely light on story, and I hope you like time-travel.,,

If you enjoyed the battle system from XIII, don't mind some "cutsie" overtones, and can deal with the lack of plot, then you'll probably have a pretty good time with it.

That actually sounds pretty alright to me. I'm going to need to find a good synopsis of the plot of XIII before I jump into XIII-2 though... I can hardly recall the nuts and bolts of it. To be honest I didn't quite gather what the hell was going on even while I played it.

"Cutsie" is also fine by me. Hyperdimension fan here *raises hand*

Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 10, 2013, 08:04:37 PM
I'm going to need to find a good synopsis of the plot of XIII before I jump into XIII-2 though...

Go to the "Beginner's Primer" in the main menu. I also recommend reading the novels, they do help to get a better understanding or "sense" of the narrative.

...and seriously the story is not difficult to get, but it can be hard to follow at first.

Where do I find the novels?

Most of them are fan translated. So you can find them online; Oh and there are also Drama CDs of the novel of XIII, but I don't know if the parts uploaded back then are on YouTube anymore.

Also just in case, there is an easy mode in XIII-2 (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=10073.360).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Darilon on November 10, 2013, 08:07:59 PM
Most of the plot in FFXIII felt pretty irrelevant in FFXIII-2 though. Only thing that seemed important was the epilogue.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 10, 2013, 08:19:58 PM
Most of the plot in FFXIII felt pretty irrelevant in FFXIII-2 though. Only thing that seemed important was the epilogue.

We can go for hours if you want talking about this.

Long story short though is that XIII wasn't a trilogy at first but then XIV 1.0 and other shenanigans happened at SQEX and the story was expanded. Was that bad? No. Should people be all nitpicky about it? Yeah why not, but you know how opinions work in the Internet.

Point is that the story was expanded in a nice way and the connection of the three games goes as far as it need to go to leave every game to be its own thing in the process.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Darilon on November 10, 2013, 08:23:41 PM
Most of the plot in FFXIII felt pretty irrelevant in FFXIII-2 though. Only thing that seemed important was the epilogue.

We can go for hours if you want talking about this.

Long story short though is that XIII wasn't a trilogy at first but then XIV 1.0 and other shenanigans happened at SQEX and the story was expanded. Was that bad? No. Should people be all nitpicky about it? Yeah why not, but you know how opinions work in the Internet.

Point is that the story was expanded in a nice way and the connection of the three games goes as far as it need to go to leave every game to be its own thing in the process.

Didn't mean it in a bad way. Just saying that Klyde will not be missing much if he goes into FFXIII-2 without having a great memory of the first game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 10, 2013, 08:27:14 PM
Didn't mean it in a bad way.

Me neither mang. Sorry if the message came out too aggressive. :T
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Rockko on November 10, 2013, 10:42:04 PM
I'm going to need to find a good synopsis of the plot of XIII before I jump into XIII-2 though... I can hardly recall the nuts and bolts of it. To be honest I didn't quite gather what the hell was going on even while I played it.

There is actually a chapter-by-chapter written synopsis of XIII within XIII-2. And like XIII, it would benefit you greatly to read all of the datalog entries. I know it's the only way that I can tell what the hell is going on in either of those games...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 11, 2013, 04:50:57 PM
Most of the plot in FFXIII felt pretty irrelevant in FFXIII-2 though. Only thing that seemed important was the epilogue.

We can go for hours if you want talking about this.

Long story short though is that XIII wasn't a trilogy at first but then XIV 1.0 and other shenanigans happened at SQEX and the story was expanded. Was that bad? No. Should people be all nitpicky about it? Yeah why not, but you know how opinions work in the Internet.

Point is that the story was expanded in a nice way and the connection of the three games goes as far as it need to go to leave every game to be its own thing in the process.

Didn't mean it in a bad way. Just saying that Klyde will not be missing much if he goes into FFXIII-2 without having a great memory of the first game.

This is all very reassuring, thank you!

I'm going to need to find a good synopsis of the plot of XIII before I jump into XIII-2 though...

Go to the "Beginner's Primer" in the main menu. I also recommend reading the novels, they do help to get a better understanding or "sense" of the narrative.

...and seriously the story is not difficult to get, but it can be hard to follow at first.

Where do I find the novels?

Most of them are fan translated. So you can find them online; Oh and there are also Drama CDs of the novel of XIII, but I don't know if the parts uploaded back then are on YouTube anymore.

Also just in case, there is an easy mode in XIII-2 (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=10073.360).
I had no idea there were novels... that info is golden my friend. I will totally be checking those out.

I don't know why it seems that I have utterly and completely eradicated my recall of XIII. I just didn't enjoy it and I can't even come up with a decent argument as to why. It just really WAS NOT my cup of tea I suppose. I remember clearly how grindy the last chapter felt. I also remember how relieved I was to see the credits roll, but thats about it.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on November 11, 2013, 05:08:44 PM
To be fair, there are so many names and historical events that play into the plot of FFXIII and yet are only mentioned in passing that it's hard to keep track of it all. That and the whole reveal during the final battles about "what's really going on" was a little difficult to follow to say the least.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on November 11, 2013, 09:28:39 PM
Well that, and the fact that you had no real agency to speak of. Not as a player nor as the characters that you were playing.


Edit: Also retcons. (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/11/12/important-npc-final-fantasy-xiii-surprisingly-returns-lightning-returns/) (Warring: contains XIII-1 spoilers.)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 13, 2013, 11:19:28 AM
Well that, and the fact that you had no real agency to speak of. Not as a player nor as the characters that you were playing.


Edit: Also retcons. (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/11/12/important-npc-final-fantasy-xiii-surprisingly-returns-lightning-returns/) (Warring: contains XIII-1 spoilers.)

Good grief, whatever.  They can make Odin a pony and I'm sure they'd make it "make sense".
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 13, 2013, 11:47:39 AM
Well, Etro was the one that saved the main cast at the end of XIII from their Crystal Stasis. Now I assume that Bhunivelze probably helped Cid, who knows though.

All the retcons and/or expansions to the narrative have been handled pretty decently so far.

---

from Lightning Returns News (Tumblr):

(http://i40.tinypic.com/ib9umg.png)

Famitsu cover featuring Lightning.

Lightning's new CG render was supervised by Tetsuya Nomura.*

Low quality page featuring: Lightning (http://lightning-returns-news.tumblr.com/image/66875972948) / Bhunivelze (http://lightning-returns-news.tumblr.com/post/66876612474/lq-full-page-of-bhunivelze) / Cid (http://lightning-returns-news.tumblr.com/post/66876649847/lq-famitsu-page-scan-spoiler)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on November 13, 2013, 01:04:12 PM
It got a 37/40 from Famitsu, if anyone particularly cares about their reviews anymore.

. . .Anyone?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 13, 2013, 01:08:37 PM
It got a 37/40 from Famitsu, if anyone particularly cares about their reviews anymore.

. . .Anyone?

Would be nice if someone would translate the reviews for once instead of focusing on the numbers that don't mean much of anything.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 13, 2013, 01:11:48 PM
It got a 37/40 from Famitsu, if anyone particularly cares about their reviews anymore.

. . .Anyone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famitsu
Naw, their considerations for what's "amazing" is questionable sometimes.  Not that they aren't entitled to their opinion, their just doesn't jive with mine.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on November 13, 2013, 01:16:46 PM
Would be nice if someone would translate the reviews for once instead of focusing on the numbers that don't mean much of anything.

Just saying.

I don't have a copy or I would.  But I'll do some copy-pasting from around the Internet

According to the reviewers, the battles in Lightning Returns are interesting and the feel for speed is great. They are “extremely entertaining,” but if the player fails to pay attention to an enemy’s weakness even trash mobs can prove difficult. As a result, it’s important to make split section decisions during battle. Even on Easy mode, Lightning Returns can be surprisingly difficult. The time constraints don’t appear to factor into that difficulty too much though, and didn’t stress the reviewers out much at all.

It’s not all about the battles, though. Clearing quests is obviously the goal here and the amount of freedom given to the player is so high it’s easy to get lost in it. Hints for each quest are actually fairly scarce and as a result, it might take casual users a bit to get used to. Players can become absorbed in trying to complete a large number of quests, as well as customizing and strengthening Lightning. The level of uniqueness you can achieve with her appearance and ability setups is said to be “entertaining and stunning”. The reviewer also states that the game is quite beautiful.

www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89626842
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on November 13, 2013, 01:58:26 PM
Would be nice if someone would translate the reviews for once instead of focusing on the numbers that don't mean much of anything.

Just saying.

Famitsu doesn't post their reviews online.  Yes, they are still hawking print media this day and age...

Besides which, a full translation would be a copyright violation.  You could do a summary, of course, but you would still need somebody with access to the actual magazine (meaning, in Japan) with the language skills and interest to do that.  Which is why you don't usually see it done.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 13, 2013, 02:36:17 PM
^I didn't know about the copyright violation. Thanks for the info.

@Cyril: Sounds good. I really want to get a feel of the battle system for myself and customize Lightning.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yoda on November 13, 2013, 02:38:30 PM
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl100.html
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 13, 2013, 04:33:17 PM
Famitsu's 20-page Lightning Returns report contains heavy spoilers (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/11/famitsus-20-page-lightning-returns-report-contains-heavy-spoilers/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 13, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
The level of uniqueness you can achieve with her appearance and ability setups is said to be “entertaining and stunning”. The reviewer also states that the game is quite beautiful.[/i]
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89626842


Call me shallow because well.... I am... but that aside, this particular fact is what entices me so. The character of Lightning, in and of herself, is the most attractive quality of the XIII universe to me (even if she clearly is just a female Cloud Strife). Getting some creative control of her appearance and development is going to really lend to the "fun factor" for me.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 13, 2013, 05:12:08 PM
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl100.html

I'm dead. xD

The level of uniqueness you can achieve with her appearance and ability setups is said to be “entertaining and stunning”. The reviewer also states that the game is quite beautiful.[/i]
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89626842


Call me shallow because well.... I am... but that aside, this particular fact is what entices me so. The character of Lightning, in and of herself, is the most attractive quality of the XIII universe to me (even if she clearly is just a female Cloud Strife). Getting some creative control of her appearance and development is going to really lend to the "fun factor" for me.

Her face is pretty; her hair troubles me.  It strikes me as something that works on her and only her.  I get gripes with the "unrealistic realism" SquareEnix pulls sometimes. I mean, an option in FF14's character creator is if you want larger iris' for goodness sake.  I don't doubt that 'big eyes' are supposed to be 'attractive'; but sometimes they look a little too perfect for me sometimes.  I don't doubt they're really appealing and unique though.  But whenever I look at HD CGI models I always feel like I have to 'negotiate' what I'm looking at:  Usually it's a strange hybrid of anime, realism, and fantasy caught upin a 'Eurasian'-looking person.

I actually really like Lumina's design -- mostly for her nose.  It's a bit 'fatter' and rounder at the tip.  It's a small detail, but most of the FF characters seem to go for the long, straight nose than introduce much other variety to them unless it's by virtue of their age and they get some wrinkles or whatever else.

The designs are nevertheless appealing and unique.  Sure, maybe the point of "fantasy" is to do things you can't do in real life.... BUT FUCK SEYMOURS HAIRDO, it's dumb, impossible, and silly no matter what fantasy is preaching. >:(

I'm looking at this way too much; but I suppose it's my "job" as an "arsty" person. *shrug*

CARRY ON NOW.

I want this game, slowly.  I actually wonder if making comparisons to Majora's Mask is in any way proper by this point....  It still seems like it, and I wouldn't call that a bad thing.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 13, 2013, 06:04:32 PM
*Blah blah*

CARRY ON NOW.

So many pet peeves.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 13, 2013, 06:09:31 PM
*Blah blah*

CARRY ON NOW.

So many pet peeves.

Oh boo-hoo.  You've analyzed the plot of FF13 and enjoyed it more than theologians look at the Bible..  I gave my reasons because I enjoy talking about 'visuals' (in general) and I enjoy analyzing these things because I feel I have an eye for it.  I hardly expect responses back, nor do I expect many to care the same way I do, but I discuss it because I'm interested in it and I'd rather get discussion back than someone scoring an extra post because he's not impressed,

I made my claim and still said I liked it in the end, so what's your beef?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on November 13, 2013, 06:13:53 PM
I rather enjoyed your post, Dice.  It's not something I had really thought about before, but I found your perspective interesting.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on November 13, 2013, 06:23:09 PM
The only place I've noticed the anime/realism hybrid look a bit odd is with FF15. I find 13< to be more far enough on the "JRPG" side aesthetic wise that it doesn't seem out of place. But with FF15... I can't even point out what I don't like about it, it just seems like it would be weird to control character models that look so real by dashing about hither and tither.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on November 13, 2013, 06:25:02 PM
I honestly think it's the "Eurasian" part that is what bugs me when it comes to the "unrealistic realism."  I mean, I get the game is from Japan, but when you look at the characters, particularly Serah, the Asian part is emphasized. It's quite off-putting for me and tends to push it into uncanny valley.  I think Lightning works because she has less of that look to her. Which of course makes Serah's more Asian appearance even sillier, given they're sisters.
  
This wasn't a problem in XI or XII, only X and XIII.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 13, 2013, 07:46:32 PM

The designs are nevertheless appealing and unique.  Sure, maybe the point of "fantasy" is to do things you can't do in real life.... BUT FUCK SEYMOURS HAIRDO, it's dumb, impossible, and silly no matter what fantasy is preaching. >:(

I'm looking at this way too much; but I suppose it's my "job" as an "arsty" person. *shrug*


Completely agree on seymour. There is no element of realism nor aesthetic to that hair. In fact, in spite of the praise for being so "perty", I found most X's designs and characters to be less inspiring than other games in the franchise.

And the path to becoming a better artist IMO is most certainly interwoven with being critical of art and visuals. I don't think artists can "look to much" or be "too picky".
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 13, 2013, 08:33:45 PM
Oh boo-hoo.  You've analyzed the plot of FF13 and enjoyed it more than theologians look at the Bible..

...? I haven't. At best I made sense out of it with the material shared online, playing the game and reading the datalogs, if that makes an horrible person then... okay? I don't know.

I gave my reasons because I enjoy talking about 'visuals' (in general) and I enjoy analyzing these things because I feel I have an eye for it.  I hardly expect responses back, nor do I expect many to care the same way I do, but I discuss it because I'm interested in it and I'd rather get discussion back than someone scoring an extra post because he's not impressed,

I made my claim and still said I liked it in the end, so what's your beef?

You got worked up over nothing, Dice. My last post wasn't even meant to piss you off.

/real talk

The only place I've noticed the anime/realism hybrid look a bit odd is with FF15. I find 13< to be more far enough on the "JRPG" side aesthetic wise that it doesn't seem out of place. But with FF15... I can't even point out what I don't like about it, it just seems like it would be weird to control character models that look so real by dashing about hither and tither.

Maybe it has to do something with the art direction going for a more contemporary look instead of pure fantasy?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 13, 2013, 08:52:12 PM
You got worked up over nothing, Dice. My last post wasn't even meant to piss you off.

/real talk


Really?  You changing my post to "blah blah" and calling me out on too many "pet peeves" had no smart-ass intent?  ERR ok.  Maybe next time explain yourself less obnoxiously or at least finish with something else, even if it's as stupid as "LOL JKJK" because I'll respond better to that.

Completely agree on seymour. There is no element of realism nor aesthetic to that hair. In fact, in spite of the praise for being so "perty", I found most X's designs and characters to be less inspiring than other games in the franchise.

And the path to becoming a better artist IMO is most certainly interwoven with being critical of art and visuals. I don't think artists can "look to much" or be "too picky".

I kind of diasgree -- but only on certain character.  I think Tidus' yellow open sweater and black overalls are pretty gross.  Mario is just barely keeping overalls fashionable. 

Actually, you're making me think now...  I like Yuna's design (maybe not her rain boots), Kimahri's is different, and Lulu's is cool (till belts became the single most popular motif in "Nomura's Fashion Boutique" and everyone wore them everywhere).  Hmm.  Point to you Klyde.  I think I agree.

And Klutz:  I like how you give FF13 a sort of "free pass" because you see it more in the realm of fantasy.  I kind of like that 'otherside' perspective and way of looking at it.

But even with that, I don't know... I find this stuff is fun to discuss.  So thanks to the last few posters for indulging me. :D
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yoda on November 13, 2013, 09:01:48 PM
I enjoyed Dice's post so much I'm going to start up FF13 right now and play it.

(after I was the dishes)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Darilon on November 13, 2013, 09:25:43 PM
I enjoyed Dice's post so much I'm going to start up FF13 right now and play it.

(after I was the dishes)
(http://www.geeknative.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/plate-yoda.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 13, 2013, 09:47:32 PM
I enjoyed Dice's post so much I'm going to start up FF13 right now and play it.

(after I was the dishes)
(http://www.geeknative.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/plate-yoda.jpg)

omg, I need this to be real after YEARS of our (rather tacky but talented) local jeweler having those but with either Christ, the Virgin, Elvis Presley, or Queen Elizabeth II on them... This changes everything
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 15, 2013, 11:52:12 PM
(http://www.4gamer.net/games/182/G018237/20131115091/TN/004.jpg)

TV CM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrO_bblSgns) -- Source: Square Enix Channel, YouTube

Article(s): 4Gamer (JP) (http://www.4gamer.net/games/182/G018237/20131115091/) / Nova Crystallis (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/11/square-enix-is-making-a-live-action-lightning-returns-commercial/)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: bigdeath on November 16, 2013, 12:10:30 AM
I enjoyed Dice's post so much I'm going to start up FF13 right now and play it.

(after I was the dishes)
(http://www.geeknative.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/plate-yoda.jpg)

omg, I need this to be real after YEARS of our (rather tacky but talented) local jeweler having those but with either Christ, the Virgin, Elvis Presley, or Queen Elizabeth II on them... This changes everything

You girl, have a serious case of the "nerd". I <3 you.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yoda on November 16, 2013, 03:53:00 PM
I want the image of Yoda dying on my plate
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 18, 2013, 10:06:03 AM
(http://www.4gamer.net/games/182/G018237/20131115091/TN/004.jpg)

TV CM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrO_bblSgns) -- Source: Square Enix Channel, YouTube

Article(s): 4Gamer (JP) (http://www.4gamer.net/games/182/G018237/20131115091/) / Nova Crystallis (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/11/square-enix-is-making-a-live-action-lightning-returns-commercial/)

DO-RESS UP ACT-SHUN!!!
THEY SAID IT, it's official.

The way it bounces between real-Lightning and CG-Lightning is peculiar.  I wonder why bother at all if not for Japan just clearly loving cosplay????

I enjoyed Dice's post so much I'm going to start up FF13 right now and play it.

(after I was the dishes)
(http://www.geeknative.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/plate-yoda.jpg)

omg, I need this to be real after YEARS of our (rather tacky but talented) local jeweler having those but with either Christ, the Virgin, Elvis Presley, or Queen Elizabeth II on them... This changes everything

You girl, have a serious case of the "nerd". I <3 you.

:)
:(
It's true...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 18, 2013, 05:58:14 PM
New Dengeki article:

ライトニングのテーマは“燃え”と“萌え”! 『ライトニング リターンズ FFXIII』開発スタッフインタビュー第6回(イベント編 (http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/750/750166/) -- Dengeki Online

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2s9vn9k.png)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2rhtpfl.png)

Dengeki talks Physics and Movement in Lightning Returns (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/11/dengeki-talks-physics-and-movement-in-lightning-returns/) -- Nova Crystallis

(http://i42.tinypic.com/71tfl2.png)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/69lwfo.png)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 18, 2013, 10:03:49 PM
I wish Square was less elusive about their concept art for a few of their titles. 
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on November 19, 2013, 04:10:03 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/11/19/lightning-gets-stronger-saving-souls-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/

Provided this isn't grossly misunderstood/translated, I think I've found yet another similarity to Majora's Mask in the "Complete a sidequest, get a Piece of Heart boost to stats." mechanic.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 19, 2013, 03:06:35 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/8x77lv.png)

World Music:

Vol.01 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Oq-I0_sRw0)
Vol.02 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUfCwyre0H8)
Vol.03 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFcaQy1E6GM)
Vol.04 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qxm2rjc7g0)

??? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmlqkJ7fcBI)

LR:FFXIII OST Tracklist (http://vgmdb.net/album/40239) -- VGMdb

4 Discs, 74 Tracks.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 20, 2013, 09:10:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glzcgY-0hmg

Drunken swing Chocobo
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on November 20, 2013, 09:12:19 PM
Wow.

I can't say it's my style, just like the hard rock wasn't, but I do have to give it to SE for making some really innovative and quality mixes on such widely used themes.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 20, 2013, 09:13:47 PM
Wow.

I can't say it's my style, just like the hard rock wasn't, but I do have to give it to SE for making some really innovative and quality mixes on such widely used themes.

I like it as background music.  And yeah, I have trouble hating a chocobo theme (besides Mambo because Theatrhythm) because of the diversity. 

http://www.twitch.tv/leta_jp
Here's a live stream if youre interested
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on November 21, 2013, 12:35:08 AM
Thanks Dice, but I'm trying my hardest to avoid spoilers.

...I really want to spoil myself, though.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yoda on November 21, 2013, 03:07:12 AM
I'm totally adding that to my party mix
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 21, 2013, 09:12:22 AM
LRFFXIII ~LIGHTNING Project Special Trailer~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A4S7YjGZIg) -- Square Enix Channel, YouTube

In celebration of the release of Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII in Japan, Square Enix has revealed a launch trailer of sorts that captures the games characters and various locations in the world of Nova Chrysalia. The game’s developers used the in-game engine and assets to construct a brand new sequence that doesn’t actually exist in the game proper.

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Original Soundtrack Music Digest Vol.1 Mixed by Mitsuto Suzuki (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpA4UnT0Bx4) -- Square Enix Channel, YouTube

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English version of Lightning Returns to feature optional Japanese audio DLC (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/11/english-version-of-lightning-returns-to-feature-optional-japanese-audio/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

"Lightning Returns will feature the original Japanese voice-overs available as free downloadable content (DLC) during the first two weeks of the game being on-sale, Square Enix revealed today. After this limited period, the Japanese Voice-Over Pack will be available as paid DLC – although pricing on that specific item has yet to be announced.

The Japanese Voice-Over Pack also includes lip-synching that differs from the English-language voice track already included with the game, to ensure a more natural and localized game experience."
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: kyuusei on November 21, 2013, 08:26:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Uo5jRugDo#t=10

I might be a little over the moon about Lightning having a dragoon costume. She just needs the armet (helm), because she's already got a recoloured Gae Bolg for a lance. =P

I don't even care if the story is stupid, this game is FUN (demo-wise).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 21, 2013, 10:13:32 PM
Some of the NPC's are looking....really low poly....  Square's PSP method is bleeding into their PS3 game here (high quality faces, low quality everything else).

I do still get floored by the monster designs though.  I honestly still love when Behemoth launches himself into the screen.  But otherwise it's interesting that my eyes have "gotten used to" PS3 graphics to finally find them old/dated looking.  Still pretty, obviously, yet able to pick up on it.

The gameplay looks good, but some early impressions are saying even normal battles can take some time (I'm hoping this is because people are rushing and trying to finish the game than build Light's stats).  Some are also bummed about the time mechanic, but that was an inevitability I think.

Still, I'm in Kyuu's boat:  If it's fun, then I'm totally in.

It looks like, despite barely much mention in the previous titles, Bhuneveize is taking centre stage this time: Pseudo-Serah is probably his version of Chrono Cross' Harley if I had to guess.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 21, 2013, 10:43:11 PM
@Dice: Bhunivelze's relevance into the series was developed over time, more or less.

I don't even care if the story is stupid, this game is FUN (demo-wise).

I know this is kind of a touchy subject for some fans, but in short to not make a huge deal out of this I would say that the story of XIII is sort of a convoluted J-drama that takes time to grow on you.

...which in retrospective is almost the same description I would give to VIII.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 21, 2013, 10:53:55 PM
@Dice: Bhunivelze's relevance into the series was developed over time, more or less.


Naw I know, it was subtle, but there.  But that's what Imean, it looks like we're finally getting a full dose now to finish the series.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on November 22, 2013, 02:52:41 AM
Ending spoilers are out.  I couldn't resist.  I hate myself.

Obviously, don't click unless you want spoilers of the ending CGs.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=90764153&postcount=996
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=90769175&postcount=1025
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=90784232&postcount=1111
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=90800534&postcount=1139

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It seems the new world that's created at the end of the game is Earth.

Edit: Also, I do like her final costume.  It fits her.

On the other hand, other than the FPS drops in a few areas, supposedly it's stupidly fun.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on November 22, 2013, 04:05:50 AM
Eh. It's been done. My only complaint is
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that she still has her [color=pink]Pink[/color] hair thus looking like she just popped out of some kind of anime or something.

That said, I wonder if her final costume will be unlocked in the post game content. Gotta market dat Parada.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 22, 2013, 08:06:54 AM
That's kinda...odd.

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I agree, it'd have been great if her hair turned blonde or brown.  This kinda feels like a weird way to end it, hopefully in-game context will make some sense of it... though I'm somehow thinking it might not be or the answer won't be satisfactory...  A new age of science>magic maybe?  I kinda wanna tell them: The pain isn't over!  Greedy capatalists and environmental problems will plague your new world!!  (jk)  And yeah, I'm wondering if she's wearing "prada" and we're gonna see an update to that effect..On SALE NOW, LIGHTNING'S END GAME PRADA OUTFIT. xD

Final "boo": Noel with Yeul. :(
They looked cute and happy; but damn I hate Serah's real "beefcake boyfriend" in 13-2 where he was more of a prat than in the first game.  I love the look of Snow, I just get miffed with his character sometimes....

Anyways, it's nice that it's a happy ending, I just wonder if an epilogue will provide some details about the "new world"
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on November 22, 2013, 01:51:59 PM
That's kinda...odd.

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I agree, it'd have been great if her hair turned blonde or brown.  This kinda feels like a weird way to end it, hopefully in-game context will make some sense of it... though I'm somehow thinking it might not be or the answer won't be satisfactory...  A new age of science>magic maybe?  I kinda wanna tell them: The pain isn't over!  Greedy capatalists and environmental problems will plague your new world!!  (jk)  And yeah, I'm wondering if she's wearing "prada" and we're gonna see an update to that effect..On SALE NOW, LIGHTNING'S END GAME PRADA OUTFIT. xD

Final "boo": Noel with Yeul. :(
They looked cute and happy; but damn I hate Serah's real "beefcake boyfriend" in 13-2 where he was more of a prat than in the first game.  I love the look of Snow, I just get miffed with his character sometimes....

Anyways, it's nice that it's a happy ending, I just wonder if an epilogue will provide some details about the "new world"

I somehow suspect that
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it's not Earth earth but FFXV's earth and this is the big explaination as to how XIII's and XV's story connects to each other.

Otherwise, lol, so much for all that world-building backstory since you wont be needing it where you're going. Truly, all roads lead to Japan.

Also, the one thing I didn't notice was anybody outside of the main cast. I'm guessing there won't be any new or important NPCs for this game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on November 22, 2013, 02:06:10 PM
That was my thought as well. 

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Definitely related to FFXV's world.  Fantasy based on reality and whatnot.

Also, Dice, supposedly there isn't much relationship development, or any at all, between Serah and Snow in this one.
It's mentioned and whatnot, but you'll notice how they aren't even together in the ending scenes, it's all Lightning with her.
Obviously I haven't played the game yet, but that's what's going around.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 22, 2013, 02:21:50 PM
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FFXV will have French??!!

Anyways, I'm just curious how they're going to frame this or legitimize it plot-wise.  Or if it's just gonna be handed on a platter by Etro or something, all like "HERE YA GO, this place is less fucked!"

VIDEO OF THE EPILOGUE.  SPOILERS SPOILERS
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17i1nt_lightning-returns-xiii-epilogue_videogames


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I kinda liked the shitstorm ending of 13-2 by comparison, this feels really tame.  The new Lightning violin track is nice as hell though.  Kind wish they put at least SOMETHING to tell us it ISN'T earth though.  The moon could have had a hole in it maybe like Cocoon did.  It's kinda sad we just see Lightning too; I oddly want to know about the daily lives of the cast. :P

EDIT:  naw, I think it IS Earth.  The shot of the world shows what clearly looks like Africa and Europe; maybe it's "another dimension" Earth if that appeases the crowd though.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17i0qx
3:50 mark

Ho shit.... all of a sudden FF15's tagline makes sense.  Fantasy based on reality?

Cy and Aeo: I feel/think we're the only 3 who took the plunge to spoil it; I feel like we're comrades.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 22, 2013, 10:32:32 PM
Is it just me or does the Bomb Flower dude "rap"?

Getting cozy in the dark world is hard, I think the enemies hit for a lot more, for one.

I do find the "culture" interesting.  I citizens of the "Dark World" were all animal-like people, but were they wearing masks or is that a new innovation for "Lorulean" culture?  It also looks like a crap sack world; poor Hilda, she's the princess of a steaming pile of crap land.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on November 22, 2013, 10:33:38 PM
First Eorzea, and now Lightning has found her way to Hyrule? Geeeez

=P
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on November 22, 2013, 11:55:54 PM
Is it just me or does the Bomb Flower dude "rap"?

Getting cozy in the dark world is hard, I think the enemies hit for a lot more, for one.

I do find the "culture" interesting.  I citizens of the "Dark World" were all animal-like people, but were they wearing masks or is that a new innovation for "Lorulean" culture?  It also looks like a crap sack world; poor Hilda, she's the princess of a steaming pile of crap land.

Man, the game just barely came out in Japan and already the ending's been retconned.

#Lolrule #Quoted for Posterity
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 23, 2013, 12:09:25 AM
Well isn't my face red.
(http://i.imgur.com/qT1yY4p.gif)

May this adorable baby duckling take the attention of me in what little ways it can!
(http://i.imgur.com/zOwtWFv.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 23, 2013, 12:33:17 AM
I've seen a lot about LR but I'm not gonna go after spoilers, so I'm out unless some news come out later.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on November 23, 2013, 12:36:01 AM
It's funny how different the lines are for what various people consider spoilers. For example, I've been trying to avoid all these articles showing off various outfits because I want to be left with a little sense of discovery when I play the game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 23, 2013, 12:41:07 PM
It's funny how different the lines are for what various people consider spoilers. For example, I've been trying to avoid all these articles showing off various outfits because I want to be left with a little sense of discovery when I play the game.

If the costumes are spoilers to you then you are incredibly touchy about the whole situation, which is something I can relate to because of my anticipation with Dark Souls II for example. I freak out everytime I see screenshots or read news giving away too much.

FF though (and other RPGs) are one of those things you can break into pieces and search info about stuff you would to know more about; Mechanics, world, characters, music and what not. Some people don't want any of it and others want to know and discuss everything all the time.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Rockko on November 25, 2013, 09:34:47 PM
It's funny how different the lines are for what various people consider spoilers. For example, I've been trying to avoid all these articles showing off various outfits because I want to be left with a little sense of discovery when I play the game.

I'm with ya, I don't wanna know nuthin' about nuthin'...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 26, 2013, 01:08:12 PM
Lightning Returns Demo now available on Japanese PSN + First 3 DLC costumes (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/11/lightning-returns-demo-now-available-on.html) -- All Games Beta

(http://i42.tinypic.com/20b236a.png)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 26, 2013, 01:14:49 PM
Lightning Returns Demo now available on Japanese PSN + First 3 DLC costumes (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/11/lightning-returns-demo-now-available-on.html) -- All Games Beta

(http://i42.tinypic.com/20b236a.png)

holy fuck

...some sort of keyboard shield, too.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: kyuusei on November 26, 2013, 01:16:12 PM
https://twitter.com/FinalMacstorm/status/405395960756318208/photo/1/large

I'll just be over here, horrified at this DLC costume in particular.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on November 26, 2013, 01:18:54 PM
Evil turned Lightning? The true final boss revealed!


Well isn't my face red.
(http://i.imgur.com/qT1yY4p.gif)

May this adorable baby duckling take the attention of me in what little ways it can!
(http://i.imgur.com/zOwtWFv.jpg)


It's too late to duck and cover.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on November 26, 2013, 01:22:22 PM
Well isn't my face red.
(http://i.imgur.com/qT1yY4p.gif)

May this adorable baby duckling take the attention of me in what little ways it can!
(http://i.imgur.com/zOwtWFv.jpg)


It's too late to duck and cover.

I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE!!! I SEE IT!!

https://twitter.com/FinalMacstorm/status/405395960756318208/photo/1/large

I'll just be over here, horrified at this DLC costume in particular.

Classic Square!  One step forward, one step back!  They look like PS2 Moogles too.. =/

But I actually like the one that WASN'T posted the most.  I love that burgundy colour...and the weird bow-and-arrow-looking crotch piece.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on November 26, 2013, 06:46:10 PM
https://twitter.com/FinalMacstorm/status/405395960756318208/photo/1/large

I'll just be over here, horrified at this DLC costume in particular.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were all still alive. They owed Lightning a costume for completing a side-quest, and this was the best they could come up with. Now if all of them were equipped with Snow Mufflers then Lightning would literally become the Juggernaut Bitch! She could just bullrush Behemoths and cast them aside like blowup dolls.

(http://media.tumblr.com/68ae29d5b2656767344c5cccae647a65/tumblr_inline_mvzkgraNTl1qzz0iu.gif)

Like so.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on November 27, 2013, 04:51:37 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/11/27/lightning-returns-lowest-opening-sales-final-fantasy-xiii-game/

Inb4 Yggdrasil can RSS.

Also, ouch. Not surprising, but ouch all the same.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 27, 2013, 05:02:04 PM
https://twitter.com/FinalMacstorm/status/405395960756318208/photo/1/large

I'll just be over here, horrified at this DLC costume in particular.

What you really wanted to post is something like this, right?

(http://abload.de/img/leavey8u8b.gif)

Inb4 Yggdrasil can RSS.

Why are you teasing me for? We went through this dumb thing already before. :|
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Ranadiel on November 28, 2013, 07:47:47 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/11/27/lightning-returns-lowest-opening-sales-final-fantasy-xiii-game/

Inb4 Yggdrasil can RSS.

Also, ouch. Not surprising, but ouch all the same.
Honestly, that is probably a little better than I would have expected. It managed to keep 50% of the fans from FFXIII-2. That is a lot better than FXIII-2 managed. The third in a trilogy is almost always going to be the worst performing.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 28, 2013, 07:23:39 PM
For those who are interested in seeing the last 3 announced costumes in action:

DLC Costumes Footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DFS2EjF1I8) -- AGBMedia, YouTube
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Lard on November 29, 2013, 03:44:07 AM
I'm actually interested in playing this and 13-2, but I'll wait for the eventual GOTY repackaging.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 29, 2013, 04:56:41 PM
"Lightning Ultimate Box breakdown. Vodka not included." -- raitningz (Tumblr) (http://raitningz.tumblr.com/post/68483572878/lightning-ultimate-box-breakdown-vodka-not)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/s0vqmv.png)(http://i43.tinypic.com/33keoi0.png)

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaNdoeSCMAAt3li.png:large)

@MadoushiKouli (Twitter) (https://twitter.com/MadoushiKouli/status/406271341289943040/photo/1/large)

I'm actually interested in playing this and 13-2, but I'll wait for the eventual GOTY repackaging.

XIII-2 did get a re-release in Japan (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/05/final-fantasy-xiii-2-digital-contents-selection-and-ultimate-hits-versions-announced/) but the same was not made for other territories.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on December 01, 2013, 10:50:09 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/33keoi0.png

A sensible reaction after spoiling myself on the story.

It's sounding really weak thus far so I'm definitely waiting on price plummets this time.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Ramza on December 01, 2013, 11:19:03 PM
FWIW I thought XIII-2 was a great RPG, better than XIII in pretty much every way possible.

I don't think Lightning Returns will be able to top it. But that's probably because I fell in love with all the time travel (and the ability to *re-do* a time/place scenario to open alternate paths). Not sure how Lightning Returns will hold my interest. But we'll see!
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 01, 2013, 11:27:14 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/33keoi0.png

A sensible reaction after spoiling myself on the story.

It's sounding really weak thus far so I'm definitely waiting on price plummets this time.

I got it preordered and I heard the Cloud preorder DLC is actually really good.... but yeah, the more I hear between dubious plot elements, half-baked gameplay, and technical issues, I think I'm gonna wait till it's $20 or less -- I think I'll justify it more there.

And I did like FF13-2 as well (well, not so much its plot... amusing?  Definitely.  Well-written?  Aaaaoo?)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 02, 2013, 12:05:38 AM
FWIW I thought XIII-2 was a great RPG, better than XIII in pretty much every way possible.

Admittedly, FFXIII-1 was not exactly a high bar to clear.

Also, where can I find a quick and dirty synopsis of the plot? SA has been complete bullshit for lurkers these past 2 months (not like this is new) and I don't think I going to continue bothering to follow their LPs anymore (it's murder on my productivity to force myself to rush, rush, rush for a solid month on picking up and following whatever I was following prior to the pay-wall going up in addition to anything new that might have cropped up and looks interesting, only to grind to a screeching halt for the next two months when the pay-wall inevitably goes back up; besides they've run out of Fire Emblem games to LP), and GameFAQs is a goddamn cesspool.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on December 02, 2013, 12:38:27 AM
I saw the big ending spoiler on Neogaf, and I hit TVtropes for random spoilers across the game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 02, 2013, 02:59:29 PM
You know, I'm impressed.

Last few days I've been thinking that with the kind of attitude people take with this series online I can't never really talk about what's on my mind and I have to be careful with what I say given to the vocal group of people/RPG Fans/FF Fans that has practically been grumpy about the series for 6 years already (the XIII series I mean).

And how I was saying before I'm impressed after seeing for a few years people being so dense over this, seriously. I get where all the emotions come from but sometimes I don't know what to think or if I should even care.

That said, is great seeing that there's some positive opinons going around among all the noise as well as some interesting comments being posted on other sites.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on December 02, 2013, 06:04:00 PM
FWIW I thought XIII-2 was a great RPG, better than XIII in pretty much every way possible.

Admittedly, FFXIII-1 was not exactly a high bar to clear.

Also, where can I find a quick and dirty synopsis of the plot? SA has been complete bullshit for lurkers these past 2 months (not like this is new) and I don't think I going to continue bothering to follow their LPs anymore (it's murder on my productivity to force myself to rush, rush, rush for a solid month on picking up and following whatever I was following prior to the pay-wall going up in addition to anything new that might have cropped up and looks interesting, only to grind to a screeching halt for the next two months when the pay-wall inevitably goes back up; besides they've run out of Fire Emblem games to LP), and GameFAQs is a goddamn cesspool.

Its not quick and dirty, but if you really want a thorough "feel" of the game whilst digesting the plot I highly suggest checking out the 8 hour "movies" on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yxMcuzOgVrU

That is the XIII-1 movie.

I was really turned off by the length but it is proving the best refresh-course I've stumbled across.

Now if your still looking for "quick and dirty" for XIII-1, this thread I came across does a pretty good job...

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.408152-Could-some-one-explain-Final-Fantasy-XIII-plot-to-me

Now if I misread you, and you were inquiring about a XIII-2 synopsis, the youtube advice still applies. I myself will be taking the plunge and actually giving it a playthrough I think. While there is other games on my plate I'm more excited about, I have a funny feeling I may really be pleasantly surprised and enjoy it.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: unsmashable_pumpkin on December 02, 2013, 06:16:41 PM
You know, I'm impressed.

Last few days I've been thinking that with the kind of attitude people take with this series online I can't never really talk about what's on my mind and I have to be careful with what I say given to the vocal group of people/RPG Fans/FF Fans that has practically been grumpy about the series for 6 years already (the XIII series I mean).

And how I was saying before I'm impressed after seeing for a few years people being so dense over this, seriously. I get where all the emotions come from but sometimes I don't know what to think or if I should even care.

That said, is great seeing that there's some positive opinons going around among all the noise as well as some interesting comments being posted on other sites.

I don't think it helps much to get caught up in the negativity soaring around the message-boards/interwebs when it comes to these things. As long as you are having a good time with the games, who cares what anyone else thinks? Probably easier said than done, but still... I would hope you would feel free to discuss your enjoyment without fearing people jumping down your throat about it. :/

Thought there are lots of very loud people complaining about the FFXIII-saga in particular, there are plenty of people who really enjoy them as well. Personally, I had a lot of fun with FFXIII-2, enough to collect all the fragments. I even liked the ending and found mog to be absolutely adorable (unlike many other people it seems). I loved the monster-collecting aspect, and am kinda bummed it's not returning for the last one. Customizable names, and pink flowers on everyones heads brought me more amusement than it hade any right to.

Looking forward to playing dress-up and fine-tuning the colours to my own taste. Story seems a bit silly, but should be cheesy enough to be fun, hopefully.

I still haven't made up my mind about the moogle-tastic costume. I know I'm supposed to hate it, but there is something so gauche about it I kind of find charming. Yes, I know, I'm part of the problem... :P
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on December 02, 2013, 07:01:54 PM
Last few days I've been thinking that with the kind of attitude people take with this series online I can't never really talk about what's on my mind and I have to be careful with what I say given to the vocal group of people/RPG Fans/FF Fans that has practically been grumpy about the series for 6 years already (the XIII series I mean).

Probably because there's an underlying tone that we shouldn't be so critical of the games in many of these posts of yours!
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 02, 2013, 09:21:00 PM
I don't think it helps much to get caught up in the negativity soaring around the message-boards/interwebs when it comes to these things. As long as you are having a good time with the games, who cares what anyone else thinks? Probably easier said than done, but still... I would hope you would feel free to discuss your enjoyment without fearing people jumping down your throat about it. :/

I appreciate your understanding man. However, I already give up to talk too much about the series because "is bad to enjoy this sort of thing in public", you know, just like X-2 back in the day or VIII at one point.

Probably because there's an underlying tone that we shouldn't be so critical of the games in many of these posts of yours!

As I've seen it nobody can say anything about this series without making things personal. And I doubt that's gonna change for XV (I would love to be wrong though).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on December 02, 2013, 10:21:23 PM
Probably because there's an underlying tone that we shouldn't be so critical of the games in many of these posts of yours!

It does get a bit annoying when people are just trying to discuss something and someone randomly comes in and spouts "it's shit" or "that game's crap," though.  Sometimes it's just really hard to have discussions about this series.

Edit: And to be clear, I'm not really referring to this site. 
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on December 02, 2013, 11:57:48 PM
As I've seen it nobody can say anything about this series without making things personal.

Pot.  Kettle.  Black.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 03, 2013, 01:33:06 AM
As I've seen it nobody can say anything about this series without making things personal.

Pot.  Kettle.  Black.

(http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv303/pearlsandlace/CherylLaugh-1.gif)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on December 03, 2013, 03:09:19 AM
As I've seen it nobody can say anything about this series without making things personal. And I doubt that's gonna change for XV (I would love to be wrong though).

There's a certain kind of defensive attitude towards FFXIII I swear I picked up on your posts though that goes beyond "well I loved it" and I'm generally one of those who'll defend the games themselves to an extent even if I won't defend the stories. The way Lightning Returns ends is the kind of weird thing I can like actually... but usually in shorter (maybe) works that are generally better executed all around.

Ah well, it's hearing of terrible monotonous quests that's killing this for me more than that, I always knew the story would be a trainwreck that's morbidly fascinating to watch, but unless the gameplay opinions are outliers then it's definitely one to wait on. Hell, it's timing is enough reason to wait, it's kind of a packed period.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 03, 2013, 12:10:08 PM
@Kevadu: Being as obtuse as I am sometimes in my post it doesn't surprise me seeing this kind of thing.

There's a certain kind of defensive attitude towards FFXIII I swear I picked up on your posts though that goes beyond "well I loved it" and I'm generally one of those who'll defend the games themselves to an extent even if I won't defend the stories.

You really can't say much if you enjoyed the series without saying it was shit at least a couple of times for people to accept your point of view.

Like anyone I have my issues with the games but I'm one of those that don't focus my energy on that, I already got enough negativity in my personal life to latch onto that same negativity like my life depended on it. Probably that's were the "well I loved it" attitude comes for you and other people in other posts.

That said I think I'll stop posting here altogether because I feel that whatever I say is gonna keep being misinterpreted. It was good knowing ya everybody. :T

#nohardfeelings
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on December 03, 2013, 01:06:37 PM
Yeah, that's not making things personal at all...

OK, to be less flippant: Yggdrasil, it's OK if you like these games.  Seriously, I don't mind.  I don't think anyone here minds.  I don't like the FFXIII games myself, but it's perfectly OK to have different opinions about things.  I have liked plenty of things that aren't exactly popular.

The only thing I have a problem with is how you apparently feel the need to jump down the throat of anyone who says anything even kinda sorta negative about these games.  This thread is filled with examples of you doing that.  Frankly, it's kind of bizarre.  If you were responding to the criticisms raised that would be fine but most of the time you're not even saying anything new.  We already know how you feel, so why do you have to respond to every single criticism with the exact same thing?  What's the point?  It didn't change people's minds the first dozen times, so what is it going to do now?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: bigdeath on December 06, 2013, 11:34:04 PM
This battles still going on? Damn, I don't even visit this forum that often.............

Also, Final Fantasy fans arguing over the series is not new. I think FF7 vs FF8 started that. (I prefer FF6 but hey, I'm weird or so they tell me)

Also, Lighting is hawt and badass so my small male mind love her. Herp Derp. Besides that, I really love the combat systems of the FF13 games. Sue me.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 09, 2013, 12:51:13 AM
Okay I said I would leave but I sort of have to reply to this to do, so...

The only thing I have a problem with is how you apparently feel the need to jump down the throat of anyone who says anything even kinda sorta negative about these games.  This thread is filled with examples of you doing that.  Frankly, it's kind of bizarre.  If you were responding to the criticisms raised that would be fine but most of the time you're not even saying anything new.  We already know how you feel, so why do you have to respond to every single criticism with the exact same thing?  What's the point?  It didn't change people's minds the first dozen times, so what is it going to do now?

Whatever I say is gonna come off in the wrong way so I'll just say that 'it doesn't matter'. I was never here to strangle throats or whatever, it just doesn't matter anymore.

Also I barely give much away for you guys to even know me in all this time and "the feelings" you think I have over XIII are most likely the wrong idea with how obtuse my messages were. That said I certainly don't care so why should you.

Alright, now I can go. Bye mofos!
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Starmongoose on December 09, 2013, 12:59:31 AM
God dammit, It seems my severe disinterest in all things FFXIII made me miss some sweet, sweet forum drama.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yoda on December 09, 2013, 01:22:08 AM
You guys gonna get the strategy guide?  (http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6198/ythinkingzw2bc5.gif)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 09, 2013, 02:04:05 AM
Okay I said I would leave but I sort of have to reply to this to do, so...

The only thing I have a problem with is how you apparently feel the need to jump down the throat of anyone who says anything even kinda sorta negative about these games.  This thread is filled with examples of you doing that.  Frankly, it's kind of bizarre.  If you were responding to the criticisms raised that would be fine but most of the time you're not even saying anything new.  We already know how you feel, so why do you have to respond to every single criticism with the exact same thing?  What's the point?  It didn't change people's minds the first dozen times, so what is it going to do now?

Whatever I say is gonna come off in the wrong way so I'll just say that 'it doesn't matter'. I was never here to strangle throats or whatever, it just doesn't matter anymore.

Also I barely give much away for you guys to even know me in all this time and "the feelings" you think I have over XIII are most likely the wrong idea with how obtuse my messages were. That said I certainly don't care so why should you.

Alright, now I can go. Bye mofos!

I'm going to reply to this to see if he'll come back to get in the very, definitively, absolute, last post before eternally leaving forever again.

Man Yggdra, why you do this? There's no reason to feel bullied or threatened with Bannination, and your posting habits haven't been that bad up till now (even if you have occasionally disregarded forums posting etiquette in the past) (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=12375.75). And yeah, I can be an ass and rather salty at times, but I've gotten much better about it, you don't have to go. q_q
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 09, 2013, 02:10:08 AM
Agreed.  It's fine to argue, just ...play nice about it and make meaningful discussion.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Starmongoose on December 09, 2013, 02:17:01 AM
God Dammit FFXIII. LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 09, 2013, 02:18:06 AM
God Dammit FFXIII. LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE.



Making fans 'salty' since 2009.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 09, 2013, 04:39:56 AM
God Dammit FFXIII. LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE.



Making fans 'salty' since 20096.

Lets face it, people were probably complaining about Lightning looking like she-Cloud or the move away from turn based gameplay even as early as the now infamous E3 trailer.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 09, 2013, 01:52:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5S-xEeFphRs#t=2425
Master LL (a pretty well-known LP-er for import goods, especially RPGs) gave a massive 40 minute review for Lightning Returns.  ...he summarizes his points (linked to that end part) and it seems to summarize a lot of what we know.  But it's good to have a visual review for his explanations in the earlier part, and I trust him enough (he's played a lotta stuff over the years).
tl;dr The game doesn't sound BAAAD, but not worth the full price tag.

God Dammit FFXIII. LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE.



Making fans 'salty' since 20096.

Lets face it, people were probably complaining about Lightning looking like she-Cloud or the move away from turn based gameplay even as early as the now infamous E3 trailer.

Honestly, I'm loving/hating how excited I am for FFX HD... because I know I liked it.  I'm in favor of Squeenix just doing HD remakes of beloved titles because their new stuff is...meh.

FF15 looks alright so far... but I'm not anticipating a release for at least a couple of years.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Annubis on December 09, 2013, 02:16:43 PM
God dammit, It seems my severe disinterest in all things FFXIII made me miss some sweet, sweet forum drama.

Same here.

WARNING! OPINIONS BELOW

I don't know, to me Yggdra sounds more like those people who feel that others' negative opinions on things they have at heart are attacks on their 'self'.

I don't think anyone in this thread harbors malicious intents towards FFXIII:LR to the point where we wish it to be a flop.
That said, I can see why many of us look at it and think «Really Square? Another FFXIII and this time you make a dress-up your doll game ?»
While some elements in the game may be great, the added pandering is somewhat disgusting.

EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5S-xEeFphRs#t=2425

Holy clipping Batman!
I know with tons of outfit there will be clipping, but we're talking clipping way worst than vanilla Skyrim.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yoda on December 09, 2013, 02:34:39 PM
I dunno, I'm enjoying FF13.... but does that story deserve 3 fucking games or is square just trying to break even on all the development they did on that universe and engine... ?

Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Agent D. on December 09, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
I want lightning returns to die in a fire. XIII was a terrible game, XIII-2 had some decent gameplay but was overall a shitty game, and I'm tired of SE thinking that we want more of this style and world. I genuinely am not excited for this at all, and will do everything I can to give SE no money to support this crappy title.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Darilon on December 09, 2013, 02:56:06 PM
I dunno, I'm enjoying FF13.... but does that story deserve 3 fucking games or is square just trying to break even on all the development they did on that universe and engine... ?

FFXIII is pretty much a standalone story and ties up most loose ends. FFXIII-2 is similar to Virtues Last Reward in that it tries to continue a pretty much finished story. VLR does handle it a bit better though.

VLR
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Except for All Ice.

I want lightning returns to die in a fire. XIII was a terrible game, XIII-2 had some decent gameplay but was overall a shitty game, and I'm tired of SE thinking that we want more of this style and world. I genuinely am not excited for this at all, and will do everything I can to give SE no money to support this crappy title.

I had fun with them :(
I like that SE tried to do some new things with the original FFXIII. A lot of them didn't really work out but FFXIII-2 showed the gameplay aspects in a more polished light. Course, three games is a lot of attention to be paying to one world. FFXIII-2 kind of reminds me of FFX-2 in that I enjoyed the gameplay but the story didn't match the first game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 09, 2013, 02:59:13 PM
I dunno, I'm enjoying FF13.... but does that story deserve 3 fucking games or is square just trying to break even on all the development they did on that universe and engine... ?



I think that's where a lot of the plot issues come from.

FF13 kinda ends on a good note.

FF13-2 could have had a good plot (I like the idea of life *after* FF13's dramatic ending, or the pretty depressing yet poignant Noel storyline), but it's filled with bizarre time-plots and nonsense character ambitions that, IMO, jive poorly with the overall story arch they set up.  I think Caius is a dickhead and a shit villain whose ambitions to save a carbon-copied character is really blown out of proportion.  Then some stuff about Valhalla is thrown in but hardly seen and the "fan fiction" writing starts to really show in the giant scrambled-egg mess that happens around that.

Judging by LL's review, the plot for 13-3 isn't half bad, but has a pretty "wtf" ending (and that's probably the best way to describe it; it's simultaneously hard to love...or hate), but also with shitty character quests adding pointless padding and artificial length to the game.  Boo-hiss.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Frostillicus on December 09, 2013, 03:05:46 PM
I dunno, I'm enjoying FF13.... but does that story deserve 3 fucking games or is square just trying to break even on all the development they did on that universe and engine... ?



In these days of image over substance, there's a lot of value in a name alone...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Tomara on December 09, 2013, 03:07:20 PM
I dunno, I'm enjoying FF13.... but does that story deserve 3 fucking games or is square just trying to break even on all the development they did on that universe and engine... ?

Final Fantasy XIII-2 is kinda like Radiant Historia but without all the things that made Radiant Historia good. On the other hand, you can put a hat on a cat...

But the only reason you can to that is because your third party member is always a monster and the characters from Final Fantasy XIII you know and tolerate are just kinda not important. Which sucks. Unless your game is titled Shin Megami Tensei, monsters should never be party members. Never ever.

(Perhaps you shouldn't trust me on this one. I'm one of those rare people (the only person?) who actually liked Hope. There, I said it. I like Hope. It's not his fault his parents gave him a stupid name, and despite being the token kid character he's actually more on the mature side of the party member spectrum. He's also a cornerstone of a balanced party for a good part of the game as well.)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 09, 2013, 03:09:44 PM
I dunno, I'm enjoying FF13.... but does that story deserve 3 fucking games or is square just trying to break even on all the development they did on that universe and engine... ?

Final Fantasy XIII-2 is kinda like Radiant Historia but without all the things that made Radiant Historia good. On the other hand, you can put a hat on a cat...

You have to use a reference he'd know
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: unsmashable_pumpkin on December 09, 2013, 03:10:20 PM
I want lightning returns to die in a fire. XIII was a terrible game, XIII-2 had some decent gameplay but was overall a shitty game, and I'm tired of SE thinking that we want more of this style and world. I genuinely am not excited for this at all, and will do everything I can to give SE no money to support this crappy title.

A bit hyperbolic, perhaps? :P
You even admitted that ffxiii-2 had decent gameplay, so if Lightning returns follows along those lines it's not like it will be that much of a crime against humanity for the game to exist. But I can see how it's frustrating when they are pouring so much resources into these games, which perhaps could be spent on better (all the bravest sequel or maybe that ffvii iOS remake everyone has been clamoring for) ;)
Considering the sales in Japan, I don't think you need to worry about any further installments though.

But, yeah, nothing is forcing you spend money on something you don't want.
The resentment that the trilogy recieves seems a bit unbalanced, though. Probably due to how the final fantasy brand is considered synonymous with and representitive of the jrpg genre as a whole to some people. As a consequence when the series hit a few snags that is taken to mean the DEATH of the genre as a whole.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on December 09, 2013, 03:18:17 PM
You guys gonna get the strategy guide?  (http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6198/ythinkingzw2bc5.gif)

I got the LE strategy guides for XIII and XIII-2, so I'm most certainly going to get it for Lightning Returns. Though I'm kind of bummed they didn't just name it Final Fantasy XIII-3, because now the guides aren't going to look quite as nice lined up.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on December 09, 2013, 04:26:17 PM
Well after pouring over all the literature I could get my grubby mits on, watching an 8 hour youtube movie and reviewing multiple more condensed synopsis I feel pretty freakin' "caught up" on all that I missed or had blocked out from my recollection of XIII. I feel comfy moving on to XIII-2.

Why I put such effort into getting back into a franchise that turned me off so bad in the first place is beyond me. Call it a combo of curiosity and lightning appeal I suppose.

What I will say is this. When I am wrong I am wrong, and I have been a XIII nay-sayer since I played through it. But I am changing my stance. I actually feel pretty engaged by the narrative after having viewing/reviewed it in the manner I have. The story contains so much I just didn't get before... mainly because I feel a lot of thematic and meaning goes unsaid or at the very least is open for interpretation. Regardless I can honestly say I am, at the very least, intrigued.

So ultimately I think the problem with XIII (for me personally) boils down to execution and delivery. In other words, it is not so much the content that turned me off (as I initially thought) but more of how it is experienced. So much of what has the potential to be a pretty brilliant and original setting and plot is left to be interpreted as opposed to played.

One thing is for certain. FF13, IMO, is not for the lazy-gamer. And while I don't believe you should really need to "work" to enjoy your games, that is certainly the case here. And it is one instance where I feel as though the effort is worth it.

To summarize my babble... I think I may be a XIII convert at this point. I may actually really like this. If nothing else, I certainly have a greater appreciation for it.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: kyuusei on December 09, 2013, 05:31:43 PM
Don't want it, don't buy it.

Same goes for the costumes. The game is going to have like 80 of them. Pretty sure the crappy, fanservicey ones are completely ignorable. From all I've seen, the good ones, the ones that actually *suit* Lightning imo far outnumber the silly ones. I don't care for 'catpeople', so I just don't play one in XIV and I'm sure not going to make Lightning dress up like one either.

Story wise, I don't expect much. I have yet to beat XIII-2, and I'm not going to play XIII, I'll be honest. I don't know if the XIII recap/synopsis they give you in 2 is going to be enough or if I'll need to do more homework...

I should go watch that recap while PSN is down.

Still, when it comes to LR, I basically expect what X-2 ended up like: Silly to meh story, fun to play. I'm okay with that.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on December 10, 2013, 01:13:34 AM
Don't want it, don't buy it.

Same goes for the costumes. The game is going to have like 80 of them. Pretty sure the crappy, fanservicey ones are completely ignorable. From all I've seen, the good ones, the ones that actually *suit* Lightning imo far outnumber the silly ones. I don't care for 'catpeople', so I just don't play one in XIV and I'm sure not going to make Lightning dress up like one either.

Story wise, I don't expect much. I have yet to beat XIII-2, and I'm not going to play XIII, I'll be honest. I don't know if the XIII recap/synopsis they give you in 2 is going to be enough or if I'll need to do more homework...

I should go watch that recap while PSN is down.

Still, when it comes to LR, I basically expect what X-2 ended up like: Silly to meh story, fun to play. I'm okay with that.

And that's been my big concern of the game as well. How does it play?

XIII-1 was, in my eyes, a tech demo that had gotten the basics down but you can definitely tell just how completely engineered the gameplay experience was and how the game only really offered exactly one and only one way to play it.

Meanwhile, XIII-2 finally put the 'play' in the gameplay but what it offered wasn't really all that different from what games like Dragon Quest V or VI, among others, offered back on the Super Famicom/SuperNES. So my question became whether this game had anything else going for it that makes it worth playing over just picking up and playing through one or more of those games again? My answer, of course, was a resounding "Hell No!".

So that brings me to XIII-3 and whether it finally did something worth sinking 60-80 gameplay hours of my time into, and so far from the prerelease information we've gotten BarbieLightning Dolls to play dress up with, and four whole regions to do it in, with Majora Mask style sidequests galore (with the sidequests turning out to be WoW style instead).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Tomara on December 10, 2013, 03:42:58 AM
I dunno, I'm enjoying FF13.... but does that story deserve 3 fucking games or is square just trying to break even on all the development they did on that universe and engine... ?

Final Fantasy XIII-2 is kinda like Radiant Historia but without all the things that made Radiant Historia good. On the other hand, you can put a hat on a cat...

You have to use a reference he'd know

But, but Radiant Historia is like the Chrono Trigger of the last generation... D:

Anyway, not having played Radiant Historia might be a good thing for anyone planning to go through XIII-2. At least then you won't be like 'Radiant Historia did it better...' all the time. I bet that will make it easier to enjoy the time travelling and putting hats on cats.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Rockko on December 10, 2013, 06:44:56 PM
One should never underestimate the power of putting hats on cats...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Rockko on December 10, 2013, 11:14:04 PM
Also, I must say that I'm a bit disappointed with the rather mediocre reviews of the titular game...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on December 11, 2013, 12:23:14 PM
NA Collector's Edition announced. Comes with
- Collector's Box
- 80-Page Hardcover Artbook
- "Silver Embossed" pocketwatch
- Aerith DLC costume

Not sure on the retail priceListed at $89.99, apparently it's only available on the Square Enix store, confirmed it's not on Amazon at the moment, I'm hoping it shows up though.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 11, 2013, 12:55:04 PM
I'm starting to get really cheesed with Squares idea of an artbook.  I have when one freaking CG sword occupies a whole page.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on December 11, 2013, 02:41:56 PM
I wish the watch was a wallet... I need a new wallet...

I am typically a sucker for these things but for nearly 100 bucks I AT LEAST want a figurine. They should of dropped the watch and included the sexy new XIII-3 Lighting Kai Play-arts-whatever figure. That would have been far more tempting.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yoda on December 11, 2013, 03:03:50 PM
I think the watch is pretty cool, provided it doesn't break right away.

It could be semi-useful I guess.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Logick on December 11, 2013, 03:28:25 PM
OK question,
I hated ff13's story and gameplay never finshed, ff13-2's changes didn't interest me enough to try, this one seems different.
Would I understand it if I haven't played the first two?  Are the changes worth looking into?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on December 11, 2013, 03:34:34 PM
I think the watch is pretty cool, provided it doesn't break right away.

It could be semi-useful I guess.

That would be my fear with the watch if I were interested. See it turn out to be a 7 dollar ebay cosplay-quality accessory watch coupled with a "color instruction booklet" quality art book.

But in truth I'm being a negative nancy  about it in jest, I have a personal issue with watches and all manner of time-tracking devices. In all honesty I do think that if Square is attaching a 90 buck tag the contents will be quality items.

OK question,
I hated ff13's story and gameplay never finshed, ff13-2's changes didn't interest me enough to try, this one seems different.
Would I understand it if I haven't played the first two?  Are the changes worth looking into?

I was in the same boat as you not too long ago, though I did manage to force my way through all of XIII-1.

I have actually totally changed my stance on whole plot/story of XIII-1 after reviewing some synopsis and re-watching all the XIII FMV compiled as a movie. Truth be told, I missed out on a GREAT deal  somehow.... I think I was just too turned off at the time due to my own unreasonable expectations of the title.

I am actually pumped to get to XIII-2 now (once I finish a Suikoden 2 playthrough) and am totally on board for XIII-3.

Whether or not becoming invested in the franchise is worth it to you is a subjective matter though. If you are curious, there is more then enough youtube material for you to review before making an informed decision on the matter. I say start there. Thats what I did and now I'm a convert!

Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Rockko on December 11, 2013, 06:03:11 PM
Would I understand it if I haven't played the first two? 

Hell, I'm not so sure you'd understand it even if you HAD played the other two...

That being said, looking back I actually enjoyed XIII and XIII-2. But you do have to work for it. Read all of the datalog entries, etc... You should be fine after watching a YouTube synopsis in my opinion.

I just finished up XIII-2 and Noel sums my feelings up fairly well in one scene:

Serah: "blah blah time travel, blah blah paradox, blah blah ruins artifacts Moogles Lightning Hope... Do you understand Noel?"

Noel: "Damned if I know."

Indeed sir...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 11, 2013, 06:04:23 PM
Would I understand it if I haven't played the first two? 

Hell, I'm not so sure you'd understand it even if you HAD played the other two...

That being said, looking back I actually enjoyed XIII and XIII-2. But you do have to work for it. Read all of the datalog entries, etc... You should be fine after watching a YouTube synopsis in my opinion.

I just finished up XIII-2 and Noel sums my feelings up fairly well in one scene:

Serah: "blah blah time travel, blah blah paradox, blah blah ruins artifacts Moogles Lightning Hope... Do you understand Noel?"

Noel: "Damned if I know."

Indeed sir...

That's...actually perfect. xD
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on December 11, 2013, 06:14:44 PM


That being said, looking back I actually enjoyed XIII and XIII-2. But you do have to work for it. Read all of the datalog entries, etc... You should be fine after watching a YouTube synopsis in my opinion.



Yea!! This is exactly what I was saying summed up in a far more concise manner. Why the hell am I always so longwinded....
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Rockko on December 11, 2013, 06:30:44 PM
Yea!! This is exactly what I was saying summed up in a far more concise manner. Why the hell am I always so longwinded....

Perhaps you should apply to write datalog entries for Square-Enix...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 12, 2013, 03:10:09 AM
Man Yggdra, why you do this? There's no reason to feel bullied or threatened with Bannination, and your posting habits haven't been that bad up till now (even if you have occasionally disregarded forums posting etiquette in the past) (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=12375.75). And yeah, I can be an ass and rather salty at times, but I've gotten much better about it, you don't have to go. q_q

I'm just making one more post to leave this clear: I leave because I got bored of the discussions on this forum for a variety of reasons I rather not go into, that and the fact I don't mix well with this community.

All that said I have to give a big thanks to the people in charge of the site because you were the ones that made me interested in this genre back in the day by making me see what's so interesting and fun about it. Not to mention that I always enjoyed the reviews for soundtracks that over time made me got into appreciate VGM better, so thanks for that.

---

Now to make this post a bit more worthy I'll quote some stuff for the hell of it.

Making fans 'salty' since 2009.

1999 to be correct. The whole negativity 'choo choo' train with XIII actually started between 2007 and '08, nowadays that same negativity continues among what is said to be a "minority" of the fanbase. You know, haters gonna hate and all that fun stuff.

Honestly, I'm loving/hating how excited I am for FFX HD... because I know I liked it.  I'm in favor of Squeenix just doing HD remakes of beloved titles because their new stuff is...meh.

FF15 looks alright so far... but I'm not anticipating a release for at least a couple of years.

Personally to me FFX was (is?) a decent experience narratively speaking and it's battle system is certainly one of the better aspect of that game. However, in retrospective X (as a game) has *a lot* bullshit I couldn't stand even as a kid. X-2 on the other hand is alright even if Squaresoft expected players to do tedious stuff to get the 100% to see the true ending.

About XV; That's probably gonna be released by the end of next year or 2015. Probably.

I'm looking forward to it with *a lot* of skepticism because is an FF directed by the guy who is in charge of Kingdom Hearts and some of the staff known so far leaves me with a "I don't know about this" sort of feeling about the whole thing. However XV does looks very interesting and even ambitious. I really like how Hajime Tabata is the co-director though, that dude being on the project is (as far as I know) a very good thing.

I don't know, to me Yggdra sounds more like those people who feel that others' negative opinions on things they have at heart are attacks on their 'self'.

You can think whatever you prefer about me. I really don't care at this point to be honest.

I don't think anyone in this thread harbors malicious intents towards FFXIII:LR to the point where we wish it to be a flop.
That said, I can see why many of us look at it and think «Really Square? Another FFXIII and this time you make a dress-up your doll game ?»
While some elements in the game may be great, the added pandering is somewhat disgusting.

Disgusting is seeing how the emotional attachment for the franchise became a reason to be an asshole to people who honestly enjoys the games as I've seen on other sites.

Would I understand it if I haven't played the first two?

Given how dense the narrative can get at times no, I don't think so. But if you didn't cared/enjoyed the narrative in the first place with XIII for whatever reason then there's really no reason to ask this with LR.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on December 12, 2013, 04:06:16 AM
Ugh, man, I hate SE's site.  I ordered Drakengard 3 from there because it was the only chance for a physical copy, but why does their store have no account option?  Then I tried to look at my orders through my Email and my password, but it only shows one (LR). You need to put in the exact order number, because only the most recent purchase shows up if you go by EMail.

It's ridiculous and outdated.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on December 12, 2013, 05:50:01 PM
Ugh, man, I hate SE's site.  I ordered Drakengard 3 from there because it was the only chance for a physical copy, but why does their store have no account option?  Then I tried to look at my orders through my Email and my password, but it only shows one (LR). You need to put in the exact order number, because only the most recent purchase shows up if you go by EMail.

It's ridiculous and outdated.

The worst shipping experience I ever had was the result of ordering through SE's site/store. Almost 700 dollars worth of merchandise got stuck in customs and then lost altogeather.... took over five months to finally get delivered. The kicker? The packages ended up in a college apartment complex which was closed and locked up for the summer. I actually had to contact the owner of the complex to come and punch in a security code for me to get my packages.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yoda on December 12, 2013, 06:12:09 PM
That sounds like a fucking disaster.

Also.... 700 bux? What the hell did you get?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: kyuusei on December 12, 2013, 06:22:10 PM
I ordered Raiden and Shepard figures at separate times off SE's site. Each got to Canada in 3 weeks which is... okay for $11 shipping of giant boxes, all things considered. No duty fees. I'm iffy about preordering a game from there after the Ni no Kuni disaster though. I'll probably just stick to a digital copy of Drakengard 3, I'm not interested in the Lightning Returns LE and hopefully by the time I have a new computer I can just grab FFXIV on Steam.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on December 12, 2013, 07:39:47 PM
700 bux? What the hell did you get?
My guess is one of Hironobu Sakaguchi's hairs.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on December 12, 2013, 07:45:39 PM
700 bux? What the hell did you get?
My guess is one of Hironobu Sakaguchi's hairs.

Got Nomura's for only $1000.  Came sealed in a multi-zippered satchel.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on December 13, 2013, 03:43:31 PM
That sounds like a fucking disaster.

Also.... 700 bux? What the hell did you get?

Static Arts LE statues of Sephiroth and Cloud. For the first few years after I sobered up and started tattooing full time I was just stupid when it came to spending and money. At that point anything I saw I wanted I just bought, justified with the mentality of "well its better than chemicals".

Then I got a house and bills and whatnot... greater responsibility with cash became a necessity at that point and while I have gotten better with it over the years I still "slip up" with gaming merchandise. I find easier to go without food than collectors edition copies of games... As soon as I eat I am satiated... but I am still pissed I missed out on the Hyperdimension MK2 Nisa exclusive CE.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 29, 2013, 06:26:42 PM
LIGHTNING RETURNS FINAL FANTASY XIII ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK / SQUARE ENIX (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/music/sem/page/fabula/LRFF13/)

"LR: FFXIII OST PLUS releasing in 2014."

---

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/66019c1cebb004ea917da0a063d3d22d/tumblr_mwuw3lwNbX1rhtrt4o2_500.png)

・Cosmogenesis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LgqGjofWt4)
・Divine Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4FBCwoS8WI)
・Almighty Bhunivelze (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO8DzhYNFYI)
・Last Resort (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIo8kXUyZC0)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Darilon on December 29, 2013, 06:52:01 PM
Cosmogenesis is weird. It seems to totally change its tone at the 2:50 mark. Last Resort sounds like one of those pieces that it is better to hear it in context. Not going to judge ieither until I hear it ingame though.

I liked both Divine Love and Almighty Bhunivelze. Actually, I like most of the battle themes from the FFXIII games.

 
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on January 03, 2014, 01:06:36 PM
For the love of god guys I tried... I read, reviewed and watched everything I could... I filled my brain with enough FFXIII info to write an incoherent sci-fi novel with religious overtones.

Try as I might though, moving onto XIII-2 for the last 4 nights of gaming in a row has left me feeling just as uninspired and uninterested as XIII did.

Funny thing is, I actually can't tell you what I don't like. In every measurable sense I truly believe these are good games. I'm just certain at this point that they are not for me.

It disheartens me because I WANT to like them so bad (particularly because I am fan of lightning), but I just can't. I'm good at forcing myself through titles and even enjoying them in spite of the fact that they may be sub-par in some senses. Rarely do I drop games however the XIII-trilogy is officially dropped for me.

I post this for two reasons.

A) to apologize and beg forgiveness from the gaming gods for not completing my focus and....

 B) To ask you guys out of curiousity what you feel is the common thread between the XIII trilogy and X that leaves me with no desire for this type of final fantasy. I ask this because I've already reviewed the creative team behind them and it seems everyone responsible for the games worked on other titles I love and I just can't put my finger on the root of what I don't like about them..... then again maybe its as simple as I just don't like Sci-Fi anything with the exception of Evangelion, the Xeno games, X-Com and serial experiments lain.


EDIT: Disregard the whole part about dropping the game. Everything else, including my inquirey as to the common thread between X and XIII stands. But being the basket case I am, after stewing about it again, I am yet undecided as to whether or not I could leave this alone just yet...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on January 03, 2014, 08:22:27 PM
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

(That's actually a horrible cliche that normally I dislike, but it seemed appropriate here...)

Seriously, Klyde, if you don't like the game then just don't play it.  Games are supposed to be fun.  Recreation.  Why do you do this to yourself?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Ranadiel on January 04, 2014, 07:26:54 AM
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

(That's actually a horrible cliche that normally I dislike, but it seemed appropriate here...)

Seriously, Klyde, if you don't like the game then just don't play it.  Games are supposed to be fun.  Recreation.  Why do you do this to yourself?
As someone who recently forced his way through Last Rebellion because of the fact that it had been on his backlog for years, I think I can answer that. Some people simply have a compulsion to complete things, and once you have started something you cannot leave it unfinished. It is like a nagging feeling. If you ignore it, eventually it will weaken, but it never truly goes away! It is simply the way we are wired.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on January 04, 2014, 03:27:06 PM
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

(That's actually a horrible cliche that normally I dislike, but it seemed appropriate here...)

Seriously, Klyde, if you don't like the game then just don't play it.  Games are supposed to be fun.  Recreation.  Why do you do this to yourself?
As someone who recently forced his way through Last Rebellion because of the fact that it had been on his backlog for years, I think I can answer that. Some people simply have a compulsion to complete things, and once you have started something you cannot leave it unfinished. It is like a nagging feeling. If you ignore it, eventually it will weaken, but it never truly goes away! It is simply the way we are wired.

I could not have answered the question better myself. Thank you Ranadiel.

A few years ago I ended up in the hospital with horrible health issues. The few games I was playing at the time I dropped. Every time I turned em on after that I felt reminded of that hellish event. To this day those few irk me and that was years ago.... The "unfinished nagging" does not ever truly go away.

Funny you brought that up though.... I actually finished XIII-1 around that time. My discomfort with XIII-2 may actually be entirely a result of that. All the more reason to get through it and lay to rest a major personal hang up whilst reclaiming "comfort" from Final Fantasy.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on January 05, 2014, 03:47:52 AM
For the love of god guys I tried... I read, reviewed and watched everything I could... I filled my brain with enough FFXIII info to write an incoherent sci-fi novel with religious overtones.

This is an effort best saved for Paradox games honestly. For the FFXIII games just look up game recaps and whatever information is directly relevant to your interests, because it's generally better to just go with the flow and not try to take the games that seriously. This could go for a LOT of works really, but for total story information that's better spent on something like Mass Effect, and for gameplay immersion borderline necessary for Paradox strategy games.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on January 05, 2014, 05:38:37 PM
For the love of god guys I tried... I read, reviewed and watched everything I could... I filled my brain with enough FFXIII info to write an incoherent sci-fi novel with religious overtones.

This is an effort best saved for Paradox games honestly. For the FFXIII games just look up game recaps and whatever information is directly relevant to your interests, because it's generally better to just go with the flow and not try to take the games that seriously. This could go for a LOT of works really, but for total story information that's better spent on something like Mass Effect, and for gameplay immersion borderline necessary for Paradox strategy games.

Well  my overindulgence did have one benefit, it took a narrative I "didn't get" and turned it into something very intriguing to me. In all honesty I haven't been this consumed with a narrative in a long time.

I'm gonna be the odd man out (in most cases) and say that I actually love the story and writing now that I have deciphered it.

What I don't love..... THE GAMEPLAY AND LEVELLING. In fact I think I need to make a thread about it.

Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 07, 2014, 06:12:57 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/55fece96c1afb6afb49c011d477b2ff7/tumblr_myxbc7kuck1t116ego1_1280.jpg)

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII [Part 3] Inside the Square (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2014/01/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii.html) -- All Games Beta

Think this is the last part.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: blackthirteen on January 07, 2014, 10:19:08 PM
I still haven't finished FFXIII-2... my main excuse is essentially lack of time because the game looked pretty good despite all the hate against it. I also liked the first FFXIII even if the storyline wasn't the best element of the game, I thought the battle system was brilliant.

I guess I should hurry beat FFXIII-2 and then get Lightning Returns when it's released.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: kofvscapcom on January 11, 2014, 12:03:27 PM
the collector's edition swag was shown, that pocketwatch and artbook(why no soundtrack?). First instinct was to throw money AC 2 style, but it's square enix store only and it's done by Digital River(of Ni no Kuni Wizard's edition debacle fame) so I guess I'll pass and get it on amazon or ebay far in the distant future.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 11, 2014, 12:29:25 PM
I still haven't finished FFXIII-2... my main excuse is essentially lack of time because the game looked pretty good despite all the hate against it. I also liked the first FFXIII even if the storyline wasn't the best element of the game, I thought the battle system was brilliant.

I guess I should hurry beat FFXIII-2 and then get Lightning Returns when it's released.

I will admit that the battle system isn't really that bad either, but that by the time you first get fully involved with it in the first game you're in the midst of the training montage for the game's endgame (and the endgame itself turns into a massive slog through enemies with sheer cliffs for HP). The second game is less restrictive on how you play it but your only real variety comes from the monsters you field since Serah and Noel can and will be doing everything except the post game/DLC (and the endgame is once again a massive slog).

Basically, its not the system itself that's the problem but how its utilized.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on January 11, 2014, 03:40:03 PM
I can really see both sides of the coin with XIII-2. I see why people hate it. I see why people love it. You can provide a justifiable (albeit subjective) argument in either position.

For me personally, on the topic of gameplay, I am torn. Once I got the hang of it, it proved really addicting. I will however say the camera left me not likiing it nearly as much as I could have. I identified the constant roaming motion of the camera during battle was the root cause of the terrible motion sickness I was experiencing. In application, it made it difficult for me to "see" what was actually happening and forced me more to watch and study what was happening with the stats on the bottom of the screen. In other words, too much happening on screen (visual freakin' chaos at points) to focus on. I did not have this problem with XIII.

Leveling while not confusing at all, is poorly explained. So poorly, until I came here and asked I had no grasp as to what I was really aiming to do.

The story I loved. I don't however feel it jived with the games method of progression. The writing and way things are expressed make it difficult enough to comprehend... couple that with the fact that you can see story bits out of order depending on what gates you open and go to first and you have a real tricky scenario of "connecting the dots" on your hands.

Last, and I believe this was mentioned by someone earlier in the thread or in another, it just simply doesn't feel like a JRPG to me. JRPGs scratch an itch for me XIII-2 did not. And this by NO MEANS qualifies it as BAD in my book. There are plenty of games that are great that are not JRPG's (they just are not for me) and ultimately this feels like something else to me.  I actually give them lots of credit for creating something rather unconventional here, even if it doesn't quite "work" all the way around.

It is weird for me to say it, but between the nausea I get from battles and the fact that I am really concerned with seeing the narrative progression in a proper linear order, this may be the one game I truly enjoy watching instead of playing.

I did not finish it, and doubt I will. I feel like the 7 hour youtube movie would be a better prep for LR should I choose in a month to try that out.... unless I can't curb my OCD and vomit my way to the finish-LoL

And on the XIII-3/LR note... I sort of wish they made LR  more of  Zelda clone to be honest. I love the costumes idea, but am really wondering if I am going to enjoy the constant need to shuffle between them. Likewise, the idea of leveling via sidequests vs. battles is a major turn off for me. Without playing it is (obviously) too early to make assumptions as to what things will be like, but based on what I've seen thus far I'm feeling like it could be a real bitter sweet experience.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 11, 2014, 04:52:49 PM
For me personally, on the topic of gameplay, I am torn. Once I got the hang of it, it proved really addicting. I will however say the camera left me not likiing it nearly as much as I could have. I identified the constant roaming motion of the camera during battle was the root cause of the terrible motion sickness I was experiencing. In application, it made it difficult for me to "see" what was actually happening and forced me more to watch and study what was happening with the stats on the bottom of the screen. In other words, too much happening on screen (visual freakin' chaos at points) to focus on. I did not have this problem with XIII.

Just wondering here; Do you usually have issues with fast-paced action?

The story I loved. I don't however feel it jived with the games method of progression. The writing and way things are expressed make it difficult enough to comprehend... couple that with the fact that you can see story bits out of order depending on what gates you open and go to first and you have a real tricky scenario of "connecting the dots" on your hands.

In my experience the thing that most took time for me to get was how 'Chaos' worked. Outside of that I feel like I'm one of the few that didn't went bananas in their first playthrough. Everytime I didn't get something I searched for details on a wiki or a guide.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on January 11, 2014, 06:16:05 PM


Just wondering here; Do you usually have issues with fast-paced action?



Never had a problem before this. Not once that I recognized at least.

It has me wondering if I haven't been suffering the same problem but to a lesser, more tolerable, extent with other games.

What I can say is that it is EXTREME with XIII-2. I noticed right from the initial cutscenes in the opening that after only 20 minutes or so, I didn't "feel good". Sadly it took two weeks of feeling sick shortly into each game session that I made the correlation. After playing games for 20 years without problem, it just didn't occur to me that motion sickness as a result of a game could even be an issue.

The battles are what really sealed the deal for me though. Even with ginger caps in my inventory and sea bracelets equipped (hahahaha) a few battles is enough to ruin the rest of my day...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Annubis on January 11, 2014, 06:24:33 PM
I wonder how preoccupied SE is with health problems.
A lot of devs now consider motion sickness, epilepsy and color blindness when making games.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on January 12, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
I wonder how preoccupied SE is with health problems.
A lot of devs now consider motion sickness, epilepsy and color blindness when making games.

I don't know how preoccupied they are but let me tell you, it sure is playing on my mind!! LoL

I want to do a little experiment of sampling games to see if others facilitate this same reaction in me. I figure a few hours of some FPS and racing titles should shed some light on whether or not this is something I need be concerned with when it comes to future gaming.

Sickest part of the whole equation is that I still want an Final Fantasy fix in my life and keep considering XIII-2/LR. This is particularly dumb because I don't even know if I LIKE the gameplay changes being made with LR. My only other options (to get my fix) are FF1, FF5 and FF9.... 5 and 9 I played way too long ago to remember and strangely enough I never played the "Origins" version of 1.

The only real appeal to me is Lightning herself, getting to play dress up and the remote hope that it "feels" somewhat like crisis core did (highly addictive). Honestly everything else about LR sounds like it is going to annoy the heck out of me! LoL
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 12, 2014, 11:21:17 PM
@Klyde Chroma: I wonder if it's the frame rate that is causing the motion sickness. As far as I remember XIII-2 runs at 30, on 360 though the frame rate fluctuates a lot while on PS3 it drops in sequences with heavy action.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Agent D. on January 13, 2014, 03:44:10 AM
I saw the Midnight Mauve costume for lightning. I kinda wanna play this now just because of that outfit...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 13, 2014, 12:04:28 PM
ライトニングリターンズ ライトニング、ついに本気を出す! (戦闘シーン抽出MAD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ENVk0AHGpk)

This looks very nice indeed.

Edited.*
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 13, 2014, 02:03:57 PM
ライトニングリターンズ ライトニング、ついに本気を出す! (戦闘シーン抽出MAD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ENVk0AHGpk)

This looks very nice indeed. (http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/321/0/0/llama_emoji_35__desire_or_want_something__by_jerikuto-d6ujxfp.gif)

Dammit, I want to listen but I'm in class.

Menawhile, I laughed a bit because of this unfortunate-looking dog.

(http://i1.minus.com/ibeNIa9UwTYU8R.jpeg)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 13, 2014, 04:48:13 PM
^You saw that on GAF? I saw the same image in the import thread over there. Pretty much the main reason people post stuff like that is to keep finding reasons to shit on the games (which is adorable at this point if you ask me). That said, I'm gonna search for that dog once I get my copy.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 13, 2014, 05:07:09 PM
I saw it from a friend, I think he's on GAF (I'm back on there now too since school is back on :P).  But fuck, c'mon.  Shitting or not, it's just a damn funny looking pooch.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Annubis on January 13, 2014, 05:12:02 PM
« I'm sorry pooch, only main characters get to be HD. »
*Pooch whimpers*
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 13, 2014, 05:12:55 PM
« I'm sorry pooch, only main characters get to be HD. »
*Pooch whimpers*

I named him "Special".

C'mere Special!
*pooch whimpers*

Awww, Special.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 13, 2014, 06:52:34 PM
Truly, a new watermark in realism.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on January 13, 2014, 09:19:53 PM
Is that what Angelo looks like when the screen is close to it?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 13, 2014, 09:20:42 PM
But fuck, c'mon.  Shitting or not, it's just a damn funny looking pooch.

I was not upset or anything I was just saying. Also it seems there's a cat that looks sort of weird.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 13, 2014, 10:56:48 PM
Is that what Angelo looks like when the screen is close to it?

Good question!  So I was curious, and no
(http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100417175948/finalfantasy/images/6/62/Angelo-cg-render.JPG)

(http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091028044031/finalfantasy/images/e/e8/Angelocannon.jpg)

But he does get the award for being a part a really stupid-looking limit break.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on January 13, 2014, 10:58:54 PM
You know, I think Angelo, even looking silly in battle, is more detailed than whatever that thing from Lightning Returns is supposed to be.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Annubis on January 14, 2014, 12:18:44 AM
(http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091028044031/finalfantasy/images/e/e8/Angelocannon.jpg)

But he does get the award for being a part a really stupid-looking limit break.

There's just something so wrong about Rinoa caressing her dog's balls whenever she limit breaks
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Taelus on January 14, 2014, 01:13:12 AM
oh my god i'm dying what is that dog even
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 14, 2014, 01:35:09 AM
ライトニングリターンズ ライトニング、ついに本気を出す! (戦闘シーン抽出MAD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ENVk0AHGpk)

This looks very nice indeed. (http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/321/0/0/llama_emoji_35__desire_or_want_something__by_jerikuto-d6ujxfp.gif)

Hot diggity, this game looks fun to break enemies down and make them your bitch (after, presumably many quests and hard work...but I like when games make boss fights easy because you just out-rank them).

oh my god i'm dying what is that dog even


I'm hoping "fantasy puppy", where it's not meant to represent real life...I hope.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 14, 2014, 01:38:32 AM
oh my god i'm dying what is that dog even

This is what happens when you let anime princesses watch too much Super Robot anime. Suddenly she's strapping anything she can get her hands on to herself in an effort to 'combine' with them for a power boost/finisher.

Of course, by disk 3 she finds some wings to strap onto her back to pimp out her spell casting instead (at the expense of randomly pulling from her spell stock for the rest of the battle/until she eats dirt).


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What's actually happening is that Riona here has repurposed her Bladed Chakram launcher into a Dog launcher. As to whether or not she strapped the Dog onto the Bladed Chakram or simply shoved the launcher up Angelo's ass is left to the viewer's imagination though. What doesn't make any dog-goddamn sense is how Riona is able to physically support Angelo's weight given that she looks like she's never even heard of a workout, let alone lifted a finger in the name of manual labor. She doesn't even look like she ever came into contact of a source of protein larger than a nut (at least until you give her the Devour command).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Eusis on January 14, 2014, 03:10:25 AM
^You saw that on GAF? I saw the same image in the import thread over there. Pretty much the main reason people post stuff like that is to keep finding reasons to shit on the games (which is adorable at this point if you ask me). That said, I'm gonna search for that dog once I get my copy.

Given that one of the bigger FF fans was taking issue with a general lack of polish that dog is clearly symptomatic of a larger problem than just being what an intern made while drunk.

Especially since it seems to be the one case where you can literally say that, yes, a Playstation 1 game really did have better graphics.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 14, 2014, 04:33:05 AM
^I remember before XIII-2 came out some people were saying that the game had serious technical issues, but at least in my experience I found most of that just to be a bunch of noise. With LR now it seems that the lack of polish seems to be a real problem but I'm not sure how much people is exaggerating or not since I haven't seen much of the game outside of af few gameplay videos mostly showing the battle system, small bits in live streams and promotional material.

@Dice: That limit break in VIII always bothers me everytime I see it... like, who thought that it looked "cool" or attractive enough to go and put it in the game. Is just one of those things I just don't get how it end up happening.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Tomara on January 14, 2014, 04:48:30 AM
I thought the cats in XIII-2 looked kinda... special, but that dog is something else. Why is there a dog anyway? Do we get to pet it? Kick it? Not that I would kick it, it looks miserable enough. Okay, I guess it does look happy, but I get the feeling that dog is so unaware of his surroundings, himself and life in general that he has no idea he should be miserable. That poor, poor happy dog.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Taelus on January 14, 2014, 01:52:40 PM
Oh sorry-- I meant the Lighting Returns dog was slaying me. I'm well-versed in Rinoa's skulldoggery and hound-related cannoneering :D

On that note, I have to go laugh at that nightmare hound once more.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 14, 2014, 04:45:01 PM
(http://files-com2.member.jp.square-enix.com/special/lrff13/2/10704/3994225e-be6b-4055-cf75-c179c14fc785.jpg)

Screenshot taken by naotapo1008 (http://special.member.jp.square-enix.com/lrff13/player/?username=1019541).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 15, 2014, 01:10:59 AM
(http://files-com2.member.jp.square-enix.com/special/lrff13/2/10704/3994225e-be6b-4055-cf75-c179c14fc785.jpg)

Screenshot taken by naotapo1008 (http://special.member.jp.square-enix.com/lrff13/player/?username=1019541).

I feel weird saying that Lightning wearing Yuna's costume is better looking than Yuna will be in the HD version.

Speaking of FFX.  I love how silly and strange half of the NPCs look.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 15, 2014, 06:04:10 AM
Here's something I never expected to find:

Final Fantasy XIII's Finale Explained! (http://kuja9001.tumblr.com/post/73190439340/final-fantasy-xiiis-finale-explained)

Is a decent read if ever finished XIII. Though the part of the translation comparison while it makes a good point the English translation instead of missing the point of the original text (as I see it at least) it kind of changes the context of the original text but it leaves the original message mostly intact.

Then again the whole thing might be a shenanigan of the localization process.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 15, 2014, 11:36:46 AM
(http://gematsu.com/gallery/cache/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/january-15-2014/Lightning-Returns-Final-Fantasy-XIII_2014_01-15-14_008.jpg_600.jpg)

I suspect that the aforeposted dog's owners can be located in Poorende Village here.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on January 15, 2014, 11:52:41 AM
Please tell me that's not the actual name of the village.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 15, 2014, 11:56:05 AM
Please tell me that's not the actual name of the village.

I like that you think it's possible.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on January 15, 2014, 12:05:44 PM
Please tell me that's not the actual name of the village.

I like that you think it's possible.

Eh, a compliment to Aeolus' cleverness I suppose.

I'm in the group of folks that think SE puts too much focus into graphical quality over gameplay, but I am confused as to how LR can look worse than XIII and XIII-2. I mean, I haven't seen anything side-by-side so I won't judge it completely until I actually play it.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 15, 2014, 12:19:12 PM
Please tell me that's not the actual name of the village.

I like that you think it's possible.

Eh, a compliment to Aeolus' cleverness I suppose.

I'm in the group of folks that think SE puts too much focus into graphical quality over gameplay, but I am confused as to how LR can look worse than XIII and XIII-2. I mean, I haven't seen anything side-by-side so I won't judge it completely until I actually play it.

I wasn't trying to be mean, I actually giggled a bit. x)

On the bright side though... I don't think we ever hear Lightning talk as much as in this title.  Whereas FF13 and 13-2 were all about her involvement in cutscenes and cutscenes only, at least you hear quest involvement now too.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ULTROS! on January 20, 2014, 05:05:07 AM
Speaking of the LR:FFXIII doge...

(http://i.imgur.com/TAfeTE4.gif)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on January 20, 2014, 10:27:38 AM
Speaking of the LR:FFXIII doge...

(http://i.imgur.com/TAfeTE4.gif)

Dog Returns: Final Fantasy XIII-3.

Its like those random pedestrians tripping over themselves on that conveyor belt walkway in XIII-2 all over again.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ULTROS! on January 20, 2014, 12:17:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/uCTfew2.gif)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on January 20, 2014, 12:21:43 PM
To be fair, there are clipping issues in a lot of games in this generation still. That first .gif was pretty hilarious though.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 20, 2014, 12:41:51 PM
I think I smell a new signature image in my future (I'd make it my avatar, but I get called a "guy" enough...doubt a derp-doge woud help the ambiguity)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Annubis on January 20, 2014, 01:12:19 PM
To be fair, there are clipping issues in a lot of games in this generation still. That first .gif was pretty hilarious though.

Yes, but usually because of weapons and armor conflict.
I don't think the dog equipped +5 ears of sanguine retribution.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 21, 2014, 10:57:08 AM
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Demo Out Today on PS3 (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/01/21/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-demo-out-today-on-ps3/) -- PlayStation.Blog
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on January 21, 2014, 11:04:34 AM
Oh God, this is a quandary. I really want to go into this game completely fresh, but the opportunity to get a taste of the game is *really* tempting. I'll download it any way for the DLC, but whether or not I'll play it is a question I'm going to be mulling over all day now.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 22, 2014, 10:35:24 PM
How to Activate Outerworld Services, Share Screenshots and Unlock Siegfried Garb in Lightning Returns Demo (http://squareportal.net/2014/01/22/how-to-activate-outerworld-services-share-screenshots-and-unlock-siegfried-garb-in-lightning-returns-demo/) -- Square Portal

Haven't tried this myself yet but I'll leave it here anyway just in case if anyone needs some sort of help.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Agent D. on January 23, 2014, 05:33:38 AM
So I played the demo.


It's kind of boring gameplay wise. Tries too hard to be a FF game and an action game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 23, 2014, 09:49:09 AM
Tries too hard to be a FF game

You could argue the same thing about other games in the main series, is all about what the series itself means to you as a fan. Besides sequels in FF while are connected to the original game they always tend to be it's own thing.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on January 23, 2014, 10:06:36 AM
So I played the demo.


It's kind of boring gameplay wise. Tries too hard to be a FF game and an action game.

The only thing I didn't really like about the gameplay was the discrepancy between normal battles and boss battles. It takes 2 seconds to down an enemy and 5-10 minutes to take down a boss. Although, according to reviews I read, it sounds like the demo is basically the beginning of the game (which doesn't explain the timer in the demo saying "06 days left") so hopefully normal battles become a little tougher and boss battles become less about whittling away at a massive damage sponge.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on January 23, 2014, 11:13:23 AM
I liked it.  Once I figured out that each "schema" has its own separate ATB bar it became quite fun.  I did skip cutscenes, though, because as stupid as I am in spoiling myself, I'd like to go in fresh.

It didn't really seem too action-y to me at all.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Datastorm on January 23, 2014, 01:56:55 PM
Tried it out this morning, am a little concerned though about healing in the game. Being as you don't get full health back after battles, no healing spells, and only 5 slots for recovery items, I see certain death and alot of it....unless these are demo limitations?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Agent D. on January 23, 2014, 02:04:43 PM
Tries too hard to be a FF game

You could argue the same thing about other games in the main series, is all about what the series itself means to you as a fan. Besides sequels in FF while are connected to the original game they always tend to be it's own thing.
The problem isn't that it's an FF game, it's that it's trying to be new while holding onto the FF feel. Slows it down dramatically. It's obviously trying to be different, so why try so hard to be the same?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on January 23, 2014, 02:05:44 PM
Tried it out this morning, am a little concerned though about healing in the game. Being as you don't get full health back after battles, no healing spells, and only 5 slots for recovery items, I see certain death and alot of it....unless these are demo limitations?

I'm sure there will be ways to expand your inventory in the game. Also, the game does feature an Easy mode where health will regenerate between battles.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Darilon on January 23, 2014, 02:15:43 PM
The problem isn't that it's an FF game, it's that it's trying to be new while holding onto the FF feel. Slows it down dramatically. It's obviously trying to be different, so why try so hard to be the same?

Does it have the luxury of being allowed to be it's own game? I thought that XIII-1 was tied down by the FF name and would have done better without it. The FF name brings with it some brand notice but also some unreasonable expectations from the fans. I am just as guilty at this. It is like saying I thought Suikoden Tierkreis was a good RPG but a poor Suikoden. Which it was ;)

Not saying XIII was a perfect game or that a lot of the flaws fans point out are wrong but a lot of them may have been overlooked or actually seen as a plus if the game was not weighed down by the FF name.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 23, 2014, 03:34:21 PM
The problem isn't that it's an FF game, it's that it's trying to be new while holding onto the FF feel. Slows it down dramatically. It's obviously trying to be different, so why try so hard to be the same?

Different? I see it more like a change of pace within the XIII series if anything else.

I thought that XIII-1 was tied down by the FF name and would have done better without it. The FF name brings with it some brand notice but also some unreasonable expectations from the fans.

Yeah, I've seen people saying before that if XIII didn't had any kind of ties to FF it would be a very well liked game. But as it is the series has its followers and detractors just like any other FF, and I don't expect things changing much in this aspect with XV in the future (even though everybody goes bananas once a new trailer is released).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Agent D. on January 23, 2014, 04:10:28 PM
The fact that you are free to move and act at all times is huge. The downside is you're limited (so far) to lightning's sexy strut of a walk speed unless you are attacking an enemy, and there's no jump (that I have found yet) for aerial combat. It ends up feeling like I'm still playing ffxiii, except now I can press sqaure to block an attack and I can move lightning around to better gawk at her fabulous outfits.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 23, 2014, 04:20:06 PM
Well if I'm to take the combat trailer at face value Snow's now evil and I get to kill him.

That's at least a plus for XIII-3 so far.

Rather sudden, a bit strange, but I'll take it. >.>
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on January 23, 2014, 04:22:43 PM
Rather sudden

Lightning Returns takes place 500 years after FFXIII-2.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 23, 2014, 04:36:53 PM
Well if I'm to take the combat trailer at face value Snow's now evil and I get to kill him.

Hmm, I would love to say something about this but spoilers and all that you know.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 23, 2014, 04:38:29 PM
Well if I'm to take the combat trailer at face value Snow's now evil and I get to kill him.

Hmm, I would love to say something about this but spoilers and all that you know.

Oh don't worry. I'm quite sure it's nothing of the sort so my expectations aren't set. XD

I fully expect there to be some Shonen BS/Brainwashing-Mist/We-hate-Shinji-now excuse behind it and everyone skips off with rainbows and holding hands in the end because, Japan. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised though.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 23, 2014, 04:53:19 PM
@ZeronHitaro:

(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/347/f/7/llama_emoji_01__laughing___v1__by_jerikuto-d6t88s3.gif) lol

I don't know much of the ending myself aside of a few details and screenshots of it. I've liked what I have seen randomly posted but going through the whole game and seeing the ending is a different experience altogether.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ultra7k on January 23, 2014, 05:34:54 PM
Having recently beat FFXIII-2 on my days off while I was sick, I'm really looking forward to playing LR. In someways, it reminds me of a Tales game, which is good.

Anyone notice that the combat from the Lightning DLC from XIII-2 seems somewhat similar to LR (minus the free movement/button combo) setup?

Though I've yet to uncover the 'true' ending for XIII-2 (hopefully by the end of the weekend), I was pleasantly surprised by what happened at the end of the main story line.

I'm really glad I had the chance to complete XIII-2 before jumping headlong into this one.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dincrest on January 23, 2014, 06:29:39 PM
I kinda think the battle system is a more refined version of the one from Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. The Soulless Army.  I enjoyed it in the demo.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on January 23, 2014, 06:59:48 PM


I'm really glad I had the chance to complete XIII-2 before jumping headlong into this one.

So bummed I couldn't finish XIII-2 due to the extraordinary motion sickness it caused me. I was really looking forward to LR.

I have literally been somewhat down since tuesday when the demo arrived...

I've put in healthy sessions with various games of different genre's just to test it and have confirmed XIII-2 is the ONLY game that does this to me.

Its silly it bothers me considering the vast amount of other games I have to get to and how much I am enjoying Tales of Vesperia at the moment. I feel like a whiny little girl over the whole thing to be honest.

In any event, thats enough of that. I am happy hear a (somewhat) positive response to the demo. Whether I can play (without puking) or not, I still want to see Lightning do well... *sniffle sniffle*

Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dincrest on January 23, 2014, 07:39:46 PM
I didn't have too many issues in that regard.  And bear in mind, I couldn't play Skies of Arcadia because the herky-jerky camera made me seasick and the flashy strobe effects made my eyes go funny and my head feel buzzy.  Paladin's Quest for SNES was another one that caused me physical pain to play.  That color scheme was eyestrain for me.  Too bad, because that game seemed good. 
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on January 23, 2014, 08:30:52 PM
The camera seems pretty stiff in Lightning Returns.

That said, I'm resilient to camera motion in most third-person games, but fast-paced, flashy first-person games, or first person games with too high of FPS (I actually have to limit my Morrowind FPS to about 40 or I'll throw up) make me incredibly ill.  I might not be the best person to compare to.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 28, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
Super Smash Bros. Director (Masahiro Sakurai) Praises Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Battle System (http://squareportal.net/2014/01/27/super-smash-bros-director-praises-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/) -- Square Portal
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Blace on January 28, 2014, 09:43:28 PM
Just finished up the demo. The battle system really isn't THAT different from the others. Changing costumes and jobs is very similar to the paradigm shifting. I do like having a guard option now though while you wait for bars to fill. Always felt I should be able to shield myself while I wait on the battle system. I'm a little disappointed that the battle system isn't as real time as I thought it would be. They kept saying how you can move Lightning around in battle this time, but only barely. It's not like Tales or Star Ocean in that regard. I thought the demo was pretty fun though, even if everything going on made absolutely zero sense (this coming from someone who beat the prior two games).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: kofvscapcom on January 28, 2014, 10:25:10 PM
played the demo, just felt that they wanted to make it more actiony but didn't want to go too far. Unless there's enemies or bosses later that telegraph their attacks and you can actually dodge them or environment hazards, the sorta free moving thing doesn't actually change all that much besides letting you guard between turns now. Hopefully the combat'll get more interesting, the costumes and stuff are awesome but dunno if I want this day 1.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 28, 2014, 11:57:24 PM
I thought the demo was pretty fun though, even if everything going on made absolutely zero sense (this coming from someone who beat the prior two games).

There's not much in terms of narrative context in the demo since I assume SQEX wanted to put the attention towards the battle system just to give a feel of the gameplay.

As far as I've gone to spoil myself about the story I can tell that is straightforward in itself and presented in the same manner like the last two, you can take that however you want.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ULTROS! on January 29, 2014, 09:55:42 AM
FFXIII/XIII-2 summary retro-spective. One of the best videos ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NFmP4fVBqA

Also gif material for a scene in XIII-2 there: http://i.minus.com/ijHg13fDRC4NR.gif
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Farron on January 29, 2014, 11:33:46 AM
Played the demo yesterday and from what I've seen I really liked it!
I love that for the first time in the XIII series I can have full control of my "party".
Also liked the defend option during combat. It isn't game changing but at least it's an incentive to look for monsters patterns and not relying too much on healing.
Unfortunately for me, I don't think I'll be able to get it on release as I still have a ton of games I got in Christmas, add the fact that I'm still playing FFXIV but I'll surely get it!
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Blace on January 29, 2014, 11:38:17 AM
FFXIII/XIII-2 summary retro-spective. One of the best videos ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NFmP4fVBqA

Also gif material for a scene in XIII-2 there: http://i.minus.com/ijHg13fDRC4NR.gif

Wow. I wish that was the actual game. 2D FTW. That said, the video didn't rejog my memory of the story at all and their explanation for how Lightning got to Valhalla was by falling through a crater or something... like wtf?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 29, 2014, 11:48:26 AM
FFXIII/XIII-2 summary retro-spective. One of the best videos ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NFmP4fVBqA

Also gif material for a scene in XIII-2 there: http://i.minus.com/ijHg13fDRC4NR.gif

Wow. I wish that was the actual game. 2D FTW. That said, the video didn't rejog my memory of the story at all and their explanation for how Lightning got to Valhalla was by falling through a crater or something... like wtf?

Wow, that was greeat!  I was expecting something short and kinda half-assed, but they went all-out making that covering the whole story and complete with retro SquareSoft SFX. x)
I almost want demakes now.  Or I wish they made FFVI iOS with this much love instead of throwing up all over it.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on January 29, 2014, 03:02:43 PM
That's amazing. I wasn't going to watch it, but I'm glad I did.  Whoever worked on that needs a promotion ASAP.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 29, 2014, 03:34:35 PM
FFXIII/XIII-2 summary retro-spective. One of the best videos ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NFmP4fVBqA

It took me by surprise that they went with a lighthearted summary. It takes a few liberties as far as I remember but it covers pretty much all the biggest scenes out of the games, the weirdest part though was at 0:35 when they showed a scene from the first novel that was never made available outside of Japan (aside from fan translations).

Anyways. Thanks for sharing Ultros! :)

Wow. I wish that was the actual game. 2D FTW. That said, the video didn't rejog my memory of the story at all and their explanation for how Lightning got to Valhalla was by falling through a crater or something... like wtf?

The video just fly through the events to get people an idea. The context behind that part if you don't remember goes like this:

"Lightning is brought to Valhalla by the effects of a time paradox. When Etro saw how bravely Lightning and her fellow l'Cie fought to save Cocoon, the goddess took pity on them and released them from their crystal stasis and wiped their l'Cie brands. By doing this, however, Etro distorted the timeline and created a time paradox.

At the end of Final Fantasy XIII -Episode i-, some of the chaos of Valhalla spilled forth into Gran Pulse through a rift and dragged Lightning into it, erasing her from history and altering everyone but Serah's memories of her ever being on Pulse after Cocoon's fall. Etro sealed the dimensional gate and stopped the chaos from escaping, but was greatly weakened and entered a deep rest. Now a resident of Valhalla, Lightning was drawn to Etro's temple, where she saw mankind's future and vowed to become Etro's knight and protect the dying goddess."


(* (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Valhalla_(Fabula_Nova_Crystallis)#Final_Fantasy_XIII-2))

Is not really hard to get all of this in XIII-2 outside of the whole thing with Chaos at first.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on January 29, 2014, 04:28:17 PM
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The only thing I can't remember for the life of me from XIII and XIII-2 was why Serah "dies" as a result of killing Caius/Heart of Etro
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 29, 2014, 05:04:15 PM
^Remember the 'Eyes of Etro'? (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Eyes_of_Etro)

Also;

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Etro was the one who died after the Heart of Chaos was destroyed, not Serah.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on January 29, 2014, 07:44:27 PM
Yep, I too REALLY wish the actual game was done like that retro video. Made me sort of feel like playing an old FF to be honest... I never did play FF1 or 2 and I have the PSP remakes.... also want to eventually get to the after years after having beat IV (again) last winter.

Anyhow, I decided to finally quell my curiosity and try the LR demo. Thankfully, it resolved not one but two internal struggles for me. I can safely say I don't mind passing on this one and since I was really only bummed about not playing XIII-2 strictly in the interest of getting to XIII-3, no longer having the desire to touch LR sort of laid that issue to rest.

The battle system was what I was looking forward to for the most part and I can't say it sold me. I love the "feel" of the gameplay in battle but hate the whole schema/outfit switching. I wish the outfits were purely for aesthetics or just influenced class or stats or something more along the lines of the old job systems. Switching on the fly during battle for some reason really turned me off.

Ultimately though my feelings on the XIII franchise as a whole at this point can be summed up quite easily. I think they are great games. But like many other great games, they just are not for me (i wish it didn't take so many weeks/hours to confirm this-LoL). Just a taste of LR was enough to make me certain.

I would also like to say though, and I feel I've experienced enough of the franchise to say it, I REALLY don't get the extraordinary amount of hate this series has generated. I think people hating it as badly as they do is sort of what made me both curious and hopeful it would turn out to be something I loved. Sadly that was not the case here... but regardless I can't make any argument to justify in any sense that "these games suck".

Sorry to go on a wee bit of a rant there but I just got through reading a review that tore LR apart, then proceeded to read the comments that followed.... People really are strangely eager and passionate about bashing this one.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 30, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
(http://squareportal.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/lightbanner.jpg?w=672&h=372&crop=1)

LIGHTNING RETURNS: FINAL FANTASY XIII ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK PLUS | SQUARE ENIX (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/music/sem/page/fabula/LRFF13/plus/)

Release date: 03.26.2014
Price: ¥2,000
Tracks: 25
Composers: Masashi Hamauzu, Naoshi Mizuta and Mitsuto Suzuki

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII tops 400K in Japan during 2013 (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/01/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-tops-400k-in-japan-during-2013/) -- Nova Crystallis

I would also like to say though, and I feel I've experienced enough of the franchise to say it, I REALLY don't get the extraordinary amount of hate this series has generated.

That's kind of a long story that is not worth telling at this point to be honest. The short version however if you must know would be that between expectations, some misunderstanding and what SQEX as a company feels should do to stay alive has generated a lot of conflict with chunk of their audience that has lasted for years.

There was also this thing going on with JRPGs in the late 2000s of being no longer relevant anymore and WRPGs were taking their place. I remember that being a thing.

Oh and also I almost forgot, a few years ago a dude from BioWare said this (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/bioware-man-ffxiii-is-not-an-rpg)... *shrug*
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on January 30, 2014, 04:25:46 PM


I would also like to say though, and I feel I've experienced enough of the franchise to say it, I REALLY don't get the extraordinary amount of hate this series has generated.

That's kind of a long story that is not worth telling at this point to be honest. The short version however if you must know would be that between expectations, some misunderstanding and what SQEX as a company feels should do to stay alive has generated a lot of conflict with chunk of their audience that has lasted for years.

There was also this thing going on with JRPGs in the late 2000s of being no longer relevant anymore and WRPGs were taking their place. I remember that being a thing.

Oh and also I almost forgot, a few years ago a dude from BioWare said this (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/bioware-man-ffxiii-is-not-an-rpg)... *shrug*

I suppose I should be more accurate.I know how the hate evolved, I just strongly disagree with it.

FF6 was my first RPG ever. It is my favorite, and I have played most of the franchise. It is just as uncomfortable for me as anyone else to see what FF has become. It certainly IS NOT what it was, but it doesn't pretend to be... the part I don't get is how people can deny the quality or integrity of XIII as a whole based on the fact that it isn't what they like or are comfortable with.

XIII in my mind is no different then a slew of stellar triple AAA shooters, fighting and sports titles for me. I recognize that some of these games may be amongst the best of the generation, or ever made (some may argue). I won't dispute that fact. But I have specific tastes and those games don't suit me. The difference with XIII for me personally is as you pointed out, is expectations. I don't expect to like any of those shooters or sports titles while I fully expected to, and wanted to, love the hell out of XIII. Still doesn't change the fact that by most objective gaming measures I can see that XIII is great title even if not anywhere in the realm of my subjective and idealistic hopes.

It is sort of like star trek to me. I know its good. I know people love it. I recognize its greatness but don't want to go near it myself.... Although in Final Fantasy's case it seems more like The Wizard of Oz going on to become Star Trek or something like that-LoL

On a final note.... To be honest, the evolution of Final Fantasy to this point has been gradual and natural. They didn't suddenly jump into what is XIII. It has been evolving into XIII since VII. In all honesty I feel foolish for my expectations as I really shouldn't have expected anything different.

Now getting back on topic and more specific to XIII-3.... What I had hoped for, and what got me excited for XIII-3 in the first place back when it was announced, was the idea of a Zelda style FF featuring Lightning in which I could change her outfits (still quite the novelty in JRPG's for me). Once again, I had unreasonable expectations. What we ended up with is an appropriately evolved XIII-3 and NOT "The Legend of Lightning: Twilight Fantasy".

So I guess to summarize, I gotta agree with you entirely when you bring up expectations being the root cause of the turmoil.

And for the record, while clearly and strictly an opinion, I agree with Bioware dude... thanks for the link. :)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Blace on January 30, 2014, 05:47:27 PM
I actually agree with you. I was expecting this to be more Zelda-y, but it is definitely not. It feels very similar to the others, which I thought they were going to try to do something at least different to reclaim the audience they feel they lost.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 30, 2014, 07:47:44 PM
FFXIII/XIII-2 summary retro-spective. One of the best videos ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NFmP4fVBqA


There's something hilarious about the fact that you of all people posted this.

Because if you pause the video at 6:18 when Noel and Serah are running to catch up with Snow there's totally a vintage FFVI Ultros sprite hidden in a cave in the background. Rather large too so you don't have to squint if you know what you're looking for.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: GrimReality on January 30, 2014, 08:36:27 PM
I actually agree with you. I was expecting this to be more Zelda-y, but it is definitely not. It feels very similar to the others, which I thought they were going to try to do something at least different to reclaim the audience they feel they lost.
So, apparently, a bunch of us thought the same thing! I thought it was going to be an action/rpg with full control over Lightning. I might have actually enjoyed that. The way it is just isn't my thing anymore.
For the record, I've only ever played 4 hours of FFXIII. I was really turned off by the terrible writing/story, and weird battle system. I've never played anything else FFXIII since then.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Blace on January 30, 2014, 08:44:03 PM
I actually agree with you. I was expecting this to be more Zelda-y, but it is definitely not. It feels very similar to the others, which I thought they were going to try to do something at least different to reclaim the audience they feel they lost.
So, apparently, a bunch of us thought the same thing! I thought it was going to be an action/rpg with full control over Lightning. I might have actually enjoyed that. The way it is just isn't my thing anymore.
For the record, I've only ever played 4 hours of FFXIII. I was really turned off by the terrible writing/story, and weird battle system. I've never played anything else FFXIII since then.

The beginning is easily the worst part of the game. It takes like 15 hours (if I remember correctly) for the game to completely open up with everything you can do. It keeps the training wheels on for WAY too long. The story is also incredibly awkward at the beginning until they give you a thousand flashbacks giving explanation and context.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on January 30, 2014, 08:57:37 PM
Games gotta stop with the hand-holding or make it optional.

I wish when they asked you your age on the 3DS or PS3 or whatever, it gets that you're an adult and probably don't need to be told (like in Ni no Kuni's case) HOW TO USE THE JOYSTICK TO MOVE.  Good gravy!
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on January 30, 2014, 09:10:04 PM
I was actually dreading the combat in LR and was pleasantly surprised that it wasn't full-action DMC hack n' slash style. Not that I don't like that style, just that I'm not very good at it.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on January 30, 2014, 09:42:14 PM
Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised by the combat, too.  It's a lot more fun than I was expecting.  They did a good job of altering the old XIII combat system into something new.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 30, 2014, 11:23:04 PM
I thought it was going to be an action/rpg with full control over Lightning. I might have actually enjoyed that.

That trailer only showed one of the iterations of XIII when it was in development.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: FallenGrace on January 31, 2014, 10:09:43 AM
Combat has never been an issue in the XIII series to me, it was the horrible emo characters and coonvoluted nonsense plot. XIII-2 was better as I found Noel and Serah better. I enjoyed the lightning returns demo, the mixed up combat system (same yet different) suits me fine.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Giga_Force on January 31, 2014, 11:53:11 AM
I played the demo twice, yesterday, but I have a few questions (sorry if this sounds stupid): Can you only find basic items from the people in the Outerworld (I only find X-Potions, and weapons that I already have; Is it random?). I can't improve my score against Zaltys (which is 38 seconds, and I see people defeating him in about 13-16 seconds, so... I'm obviously not using the same equipment as they are).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 31, 2014, 04:30:28 PM
Combat has never been an issue in the XIII series to me, it was the horrible emo characters and coonvoluted nonsense plot.

I know that some people might get sorta touchy around here by me saying this, but Vivi in IX is truly much more of a "emo" character than anyone in XIII. The difference is how the characters are portrayed that makes their struggles endearing or relatable to the player (which is kind of a subjective thing but not entirely).

Regarding the 'convoluted nonsense plot' argument is that it's the mythos and terminologies that get most people salty at first, the story itself isn't a big deal to understand even if you most likely are gonna miss a lot of details in your first playthrough.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on January 31, 2014, 05:27:04 PM
I agree with Yggdrasil, actually.

The entire cast of FFVI is just as "emo" as XIII's cast.  If VI was voice acted and created in more modern graphics it would come through a lot more.  Hence why people reacted to Terra the way they did in Dissidia, but in reality she's quite faithful to her character.

There are complaints you can make about XIII when comparing it to the rest of the series, but really "emo" characters is not one of them.  It's a Final Fantasy staple.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: FallenGrace on February 01, 2014, 11:47:19 AM
There are complaints you can make about XIII when comparing it to the rest of the series, but really "emo" characters is not one of them.  It's a Final Fantasy staple.
I'm aware the topic diverged a little from my original point but going to put my two pennies in anyway :p

 I wasn't comparing to the other games in the series, just on it's own merits. Never been a fan of "these games are worse which makes this game better arguements". I feel every game should be judged on it's own positive and negative qualities and the characters in FFXIII were whiny emo and intolerable imo :)

As for what you guys said regarding the other games, you're most likely right but I feel the medium of text makes it far easier to swallow characters i'm less keen on than since when voice acting has been introduced.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 01, 2014, 05:06:31 PM
I feel like if a player wanted to avoid whiney, emo and non-sensical they'd best dodge the latter half of all the Final Fantasy games altogether. That is one poor horse that can't stand to take another beating if you ask me.

I found the characters and plot of the XIII franchise far less accessible than other legs of the Final Fantasy universe, but by no means bad. It just took a little more work and focus to care... Well except in Hope and Fang's cases.... I hated those 2 for some reason..... Ok I guess I hated Snow a wee bit more then most as well. BUT that is not my point.

For me, speaking on XIII, the deal-breaker comes down to setting, environments and the moods they convey to me as a gamer. My big problem is I simply don't detect any "fantasy flavor" in XIII. I do however detect a great Sci-Fi CGI, movie-like, gaming experience with some RPG elements thrown in the mix.

Last thing I would like to say....


As for what you guys said regarding the other games, you're most likely right but I feel the medium of text makes it far easier to swallow characters i'm less keen on than since when voice acting has been introduced.


I completely agree with that 100%. Voice acting in and of itself diminishes my ability to get involved with characters and "connect" the way I did with older titles. Pinning a more concise personality to a character is not always a good thing in RPG's if you ask me.

Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Annubis on February 05, 2014, 10:40:26 AM
Lara Croft costume in Lightning Return
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIAW4HBPicY

This is why I can't take this game seriously.
Fanservice isn't bad... but most fanservice games don't take themselves too seriously either usually.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on February 05, 2014, 10:55:35 AM
Lara Croft costume in Lightning Return
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIAW4HBPicY

This is why I can't take this game seriously.
Fanservice isn't bad... but most fanservice games don't take themselves too seriously either usually.

haha complete with dirt
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Annubis on February 05, 2014, 10:57:29 AM
haha complete with dirt

Didn't they show that you can customize costumes (like colors) ?
I wonder if you can make that dirt white.

*whistles innocently*
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on February 05, 2014, 10:59:30 AM
haha complete with dirt

Didn't they show that you can customize costumes (like colors) ?
I wonder if you can make that dirt white.

*whistles innocently*

That's awful!  Why would you cover her in flour!?  ....what a waste.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Giga_Force on February 05, 2014, 12:09:18 PM
I received my e-mail for Cloud Strife’s SOLDIER 1st Class Uniform and Buster Sword, but I guess I can't redeem the voucher, until the game is released (no big deal).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: mikey_artifas on February 05, 2014, 04:51:15 PM
Just received a shipping confirmation for my order from the Square Enix store. :D
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Esura on February 07, 2014, 07:19:52 AM
Just received a shipping confirmation for my order from the Square Enix store. :D

I hope I get one too. I'm a bit nervous about dealing with Digital River.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Giga_Force on February 07, 2014, 08:45:51 PM
Mine just shipped :D
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on February 10, 2014, 08:13:01 PM
IGN Review: 7.0

Likes the combat, the world, and the customization

Dislikes the story and tone

This seems to be the unanimous word on it (except I'm going to add that I think the music is fantastic). The 'likes' are definitely enough for me to buy it, but I'm probably gonna wait for when it hits $30 or less.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on February 10, 2014, 09:03:05 PM
Hope mine comes in tomorrow. It was sent out on Wednesday and I paid for two-day shipping. Basically, Digital River just shipped it early standard and pocketed the shipping cost. Last time I order from that horrible store. If they keep up the SE Store exclusives, I'm going to start complaining loudly and hope others join me.

The idea doesn't even make any sense. Surely the more ways you distribute your product, the more business you're going to get and thus the more money you're going to make.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Blace on February 10, 2014, 09:33:37 PM
Mine comes in the mail tomorrow. I'm not expecting much. I liked the first enough to buy part 2, which was meh, and this one I was hoping would be like taking the best of both, but it looks like that isn't the case. Maybe I'll be wrong (which I'm hoping), but I've dialed down my minimal expectations again.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on February 10, 2014, 09:47:43 PM
Mine comes in the mail tomorrow. I'm not expecting much. I liked the first enough to buy part 2, which was meh, and this one I was hoping would be like taking the best of both, but it looks like that isn't the case. Maybe I'll be wrong (which I'm hoping), but I've dialed down my minimal expectations again.

Yeah, they kinda went in a different direction on this one. What with the lack of a party and Stagger not being 'The Thing' anymore.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Giga_Force on February 10, 2014, 09:49:15 PM
I hope mine arrives tomorrow afternoon, as promised by Digital River...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Datastorm on February 11, 2014, 08:29:47 AM
Hope mine comes in tomorrow. It was sent out on Wednesday and I paid for two-day shipping. Basically, Digital River just shipped it early standard and pocketed the shipping cost. Last time I order from that horrible store. If they keep up the SE Store exclusives, I'm going to start complaining loudly and hope others join me.

The idea doesn't even make any sense. Surely the more ways you distribute your product, the more business you're going to get and thus the more money you're going to make.

My collector's edition was at our local Fed Ex "distribution center"(They load their trucks off the plane just off the runway lol) yesterday morning. They decided not to deliver it yesterday because it was scheduled for delivery today...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Blace on February 11, 2014, 09:10:54 AM
This really isn't doing too hot review-wise. Gamespot gave it a 5/10, IGN 7/10
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Embryon on February 11, 2014, 09:26:13 AM
Here's my review: http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/Lightning_Returns_Final_Fantasy_XIII/index.html
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Blace on February 11, 2014, 12:07:27 PM
Here's my review: http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/Lightning_Returns_Final_Fantasy_XIII/index.html

Your review seems to be one of the kinder reviews haha. It's got a 68 on metacritic right now with almost 30 reviews. Hopefully I at least enjoy it some like you did.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on February 11, 2014, 12:26:29 PM
Considering the main problems seem to be with the story, and I don't put nearly as much weight towards a game's story as I used to, I'm sure I won't have any trouble getting plenty of enjoyment out of this game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on February 11, 2014, 01:38:31 PM
Yeah, I expect I'll enjoy it.

On another note, SE sent out their orders fast enough, about a week ago, with the free shipping option that it's arriving today.  Why pick anything but free shipping with them?  It seems like a waste.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on February 11, 2014, 04:31:39 PM
Yeah, I expect I'll enjoy it.

On another note, SE sent out their orders fast enough, about a week ago, with the free shipping option that it's arriving today.  Why pick anything but free shipping with them?  It seems like a waste.

Well it's getting pretty late in the afternoon and still no package, so I guess I would have gotten it sooner with free shipping than with two day shipping? Wonderful.

EDIT: At least my Collector's Edition strategy came in today. complete with an ultra-glossy slip cover.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Rockko on February 11, 2014, 11:09:08 PM
Having fun with the game so far. The site review is fair and rather accurate in my opinion. If you got at least some enjoyment out of the previous two installments, you'll probably like it. The customization is cool, I look forward to getting into it, I don't even pretend to understand the "fusion" upgrading system for abilities yet. Wad those datalogs again though so you won't be totally lost.

So far it's pretty good though, a good solid 7ish out of 10. That's not bad. I kinda knew scores would be all over the place with this one, it's been that way for the entire series.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: EmeraldSword on February 12, 2014, 01:25:48 PM
I played 90+ hours in FFXIII, but got stuck at the final boss area several years ago. I had to resort to watching YouTube for the ending after grinding frustration and burnout.

I held out on buying FFXIII-2 after the reviews were mixed back in January 2012.

Recently, I have to admit I caved in and pre-ordered FFXIII: Lightning Returns after Gamestop announced DLC to get Lightning's Samurai armor and Cloud Solder First Class armor w/buster sword. I also just picked up FFXIII-2 on Amazon for a great price of $16, so I'll give FFXIII-2 a spin before I jump into Lightning Returns.

I've played every FF game growing up to the present with the exception of the online games. Yet... I'm little disheartened by all the poor reviews I've seen published around the web. I'll try to give Square-Enix the benefit of the doubt with Lightning's sequels and make up my mind of the series as a whole once I'm spent more time with the sequels.

Have fun playing the game rpgfans! I look forward to reading your reaction to the gameplay experience in this thread.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 12, 2014, 01:33:45 PM
after Gamestop announced DLC to get Lightning's Samurai armor and Cloud Solder First Class armor w/buster sword.

Here's the sad part. If you want the game to have difficulty; you can't use them.

At least not in the beginning anyway.

I.E:
-The Buster Sword makes Lightning swing for about 2000+ auto-Stagger bursts right out the game thanks to the built in Heavy Strike Lv 2. (when every other available attack is dealing 200-400 tops)
-The Soldier Bracer drops a massive 2000+ HP onto her life total, effectively doubling her hit possible hit point pool compared to the other three starter schema.

The other Gamestop DLC pieces have similar effects, although they opt for other large bonuses rather than massive stat dumps.

Can't say exactly how long this equipment remains OP though because my PS3 controller decided to bug out not 10 minutes after playing a poor man's Metal Gear Solid with Lightning. (After doing some research it kinda makes me sad to realize that in 10-ish years my PS3 is going to be utterly worthless. The controllers are defectively designed and without fail will become unusable after 3-5 years of usage. So basically anything from this era's going to have to be emulated to play once I cross my late 30's since Sony doesn't believe in backwards compatibility. And I doubt they'll continue making PS3 controllers in 2024. )
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on February 12, 2014, 03:15:20 PM
Yeah, the Cloud DLC is stupidly strong. I think I did 30k in one hit to the staggered first boss, when everything else didn't do more than 1k.

I'm not a fan of Aeris at all, but I love how her clothes look on Lightning.  I've been running around with it on the field because it looks great, particularly the little bow.

And finally, the pocket watch in the CE is much nicer than I expected.  Much nicer. 
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on February 12, 2014, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: ZeronHitaro link=topic=11607.msg322009#msg322009
(After doing some research it kinda makes me sad to realize that in 10-ish years my PS3 is going to be utterly worthless. The controllers are defectively designed and without fail will become unusable after 3-5 years of usage. So basically anything from this era's going to have to be emulated to play once I cross my late 30's since Sony doesn't believe in backwards compatibility. And I doubt they'll continue making PS3 controllers in 2024. )

Say what?  I got my PS3 and a second controller in 2008 and they're both still working just fine...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on February 12, 2014, 05:25:23 PM
Quote from: ZeronHitaro link=topic=11607.msg322009#msg322009
(After doing some research it kinda makes me sad to realize that in 10-ish years my PS3 is going to be utterly worthless. The controllers are defectively designed and without fail will become unusable after 3-5 years of usage. So basically anything from this era's going to have to be emulated to play once I cross my late 30's since Sony doesn't believe in backwards compatibility. And I doubt they'll continue making PS3 controllers in 2024. )

Say what?  I got my PS3 and a second controller in 2008 and they're both still working just fine...

Naw, after a few knee-height drops mine starts getting funky.
My pink one is destroyed, but I'm protecting my CE Xillia controller with my life.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Annubis on February 12, 2014, 05:30:24 PM
Naw, after a few knee-height drops mine starts getting funky.
My pink one is destroyed, but I'm protecting my CE Xillia controller with my life.

Just stop dropping them =P
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on February 12, 2014, 05:41:16 PM
Naw, after a few knee-height drops mine starts getting funky.
My pink one is destroyed, but I'm protecting my CE Xillia controller with my life.

Just stop dropping them =P

YEAH THANKS, I'LL DO THAT.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 12, 2014, 05:48:24 PM
Quote from: ZeronHitaro link=topic=11607.msg322009#msg322009
(After doing some research it kinda makes me sad to realize that in 10-ish years my PS3 is going to be utterly worthless. The controllers are defectively designed and without fail will become unusable after 3-5 years of usage. So basically anything from this era's going to have to be emulated to play once I cross my late 30's since Sony doesn't believe in backwards compatibility. And I doubt they'll continue making PS3 controllers in 2024. )

Say what?  I got my PS3 and a second controller in 2008 and they're both still working just fine...

There's a defect with the left analog stick where, over time, the crappy pasting job between the circuitry comes loose. As a result your controller will eventually start having a spaz fit where any small jiggle (or even zero input if its bad enough) of the left stick makes the controller believe any other button/s have been pushed as well. (Something to do with one circuit board nudging into another due to foam being compressed if I remember the details right.) Dropping and other forms of abuse really don't matter, it's basically a time bomb with 3-5 being the average detonation time. The lucky ones get extra life span but it will happen eventually because the only way to stop the foam compression is to just never use the left analog stick.

On Youtube there's a video of someone dissecting the controller in order to show off this fault. Technically they also claim you can repair it by re-taping the loose circuits but tape doesn't exactly have a very good durability record for holding something that gets motion constantly applied to it. Eventually you're pretty much just boned. At least until the PS3 becomes retro enough for someone to build a Sony PlayToaster 3 for Ebay profit.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on February 13, 2014, 01:33:49 AM
This game is...

I feel like I'm learning to play Atelier all over again. I probably shouldn't be stressed out, but I am. On subsequent playthroughs I won't be, I'm positive, but on this blind first playthrough I'm minorly panicking. I do love the focus on exploration, though, which is probably the cause of my above issue.

Anyway -
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I'm more than a bit disappointed in how Noel was treated by SE.  I mean, he angsts all over Yeul, which is understandable,
but he doesn't even mention Serah, or even empathize with Lightning when she mentions wanting to save Serah.  Unless he magically
gets a part later, which I doubt since the game seems to be character-episodic based, then I feel like they've hurt his character quite
badly.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: anonypc on February 13, 2014, 06:46:27 PM
So for those that are playing lightning returns ATM, I've been on the fence for days now about purchasing a digital copy, and although I read the review on the site, I'm still going to ask anyone that's currently playing it.... is it a decent game?

IMO, just for reference
FF 13: mediocre game
FF 13-2: mediocre game, but better than FF 13
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on February 13, 2014, 07:06:03 PM
It's very...different.  I can't even really compare it to XIII and XIII-2 from a gameplay perspective.

I only have about 8 hours so far, so I can't make any final conclusions, but my thoughts are:

1. You're heavily rewarded for exploration and doing side quests.  And by heavily rewarded, I mean "the majority of your stat boosts come from completing side quests, so it's very important/imperative to do so."  I love this, personally. I can see others disliking it.

2. I'm adoring the battle system.   I went through a bit of a wave with it.  I liked it when I played the demo, but was underwhelmed at first when I started the game.  By the time I got about halfway through the first major area I started picking up on how things are meant to be done and started realizing it's surprisingly impressive.  Timing is quite important, such as interrupting attacks, attacking while vulnerable, and so on.  You can even cut off body parts if you time things right.

The Paradigm system is only here as a way to change your command set.  You have 3 customizable ones in battle with you.  Each Schema (Read: costume) has different base stats attacked to it, making it more suitable for HP, MP, magic, attack, defense, balanced, so on.  

Fair warning:  The battles start out pretty slow until you start leveling your stats via quests and synthesizing your skills to strengthen them.  You also really, really need to exploit enemy vulnerabilities, or battles will take forever.  For example, one machine enemy is really only vulnerable when he's charging a certain attack.

3.  Lightning is really offputting during the main story, to be honest.  I'm relatively neutral towards her usually, but I found myself, for example, empathizing a lot more with Noel during his events.  She is, however, a lot more likable during side quests where she is less harsh and more expressive and shows a softer side.  Actually, thinking on it, she really is like Cloud in this regard.

4. I'm finding the music to be the weakest in the series so far, but I did like that one remix of Blinded by the Light, so maybe it'll improve.  I haven't heard a lot of it, yet.

On an unrelated note -
I love how I can run around in whatever costume I like.  I mentioned it above, but I've been running around in Aerith's dress because it looks nice.  It's a bit funny hearing people comment on her outfit choice, from the flowers, to claiming she's a white mage, and so on.  It also changes her post-battle quotes.
One generic NPC is a bit creepy and says "Cute bow!" as you pass.  I don't think it's meant to be as disturbing as it sounds in-game, but yeah, if someone said that to me in real life I'd sort of inch away.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: anonypc on February 13, 2014, 07:13:28 PM
hahahah well said well said, wow thank you for the hasty reply, love the honesty.  I will probably get some yoshinoya now while I continue to try and make a decision.  Would love to hear more thoughts, thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 13, 2014, 07:57:46 PM
@anonypc: You might be able to enjoy game itself but if you are not into XIII or you have your issues with "what the series (FF) has become" then I don't know what to tell you really...

LR is the second sequel to a divisive series online. It is what it is and you can either go for it with an open-mind or put that time and money into something else, is your choice in the end.

Have you tried demo yet?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: anonypc on February 13, 2014, 08:21:49 PM
nope, does the demo have gameplay in it? I thought it was just the dressing aspect of it.  I mean i'm familiar with 10-2 and the game-play was good enough for me to overlook the story of it, and I enjoyed the game without getting involved in the story too much.

With that being said I can't say the same for Disgaea D2, why I bring this up is because IGN scored this game in the 90's but rpgfan's score more accurately described the score, somewhere around 70 which I agree with.  The correlation is that RPGfan scored lightning returns higher than every site which has a review of this game, but I tend to trust rpgfan's score a lot more.  So kinda thinking this game might be better than what is being put out there.


Btw I don't hate square-enix or anything, haha just for reference.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: anonypc on February 13, 2014, 08:39:32 PM
just posted a thread on gamefaqs as well, curious to see what the consensus there says.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 13, 2014, 08:52:51 PM
@anonypc: The demo focuses mainly on showing gameplay and a bit of visual spectacle. There's not much context with the story in the demo to get unless you follow the narrative that can give you a vague idea of what's going on if you didn't previously bothered to spoil yourself.

And that's basically it.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on February 13, 2014, 08:56:09 PM
Yeah, the demo's just for giving you a brief taste of the gameplay.  Unfortunately, it doesn't give you an idea of how important attack timing is but it goes over the basics.

I skipped all the cutscenes in it because I wanted them to be fresh when I played the full game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on February 14, 2014, 08:57:34 AM
So, uh... two things that intimidate me in video games is too much freedom and calendars/clocks. So to say this game is a bit stressful for me is an understatement (and yes, despite what that creator said in that interview I can't remember, the clock *is* pretty intimidating).

I can't say I don't like the game though, the schema system is all kinds of fantastic, and I love exploration. I just really wish the clock ticked a little slower than it does. Especially when that blabbermouth Hope starts talking and I'm trying to pay attention to what he's saying only to waste 40 minutes to hear him wax inane.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Giga_Force on February 14, 2014, 12:39:47 PM
That's why I couldn't get into Majora's Mask (I heard they are somewhat similar with the clock?) I loved everything about Majora's Mask, from the atmosphere, music, dungeons, but the clock just pissed me off. Same thing with Dead Rising: I just don't like being rushed in video games, but I can deal with it. 
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on February 14, 2014, 01:00:12 PM
"It's almost 6 AM, you know what that means."
"I just wanted to warn you that 6 AM is approaching."
"Remember at 6 AM you have to return to the Ark no matter what."
"6 AM is coming up fast!"

>_>


Also, I didn't mind Majora's Mask because it was simple enough to reset to the first day, unlike in this game where you start with 6 days and have to extend it into a full 13 days to beat the game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on February 14, 2014, 01:08:22 PM
"It's almost 6 AM, you know what that means."
"I just wanted to warn you that 6 AM is approaching."
"Remember at 6 AM you have to return to the Ark no matter what."
"6 AM is coming up fast!"

Is God giving Lightning a curfew?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on February 14, 2014, 01:43:24 PM
"It's almost 6 AM, you know what that means."
"I just wanted to warn you that 6 AM is approaching."
"Remember at 6 AM you have to return to the Ark no matter what."
"6 AM is coming up fast!"

Is God giving Lightning a curfew?

More like God giving Humanity a curfew.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on February 14, 2014, 02:17:29 PM
Hope only does that obnoxious repetition once, fortunately.

Anyway, I was worried about the time limit a lot before, but there's two things to note:

1. Spam the hell out of that 1 EP skill that stops time.  You're supposed to do this.  If you even use it semi-often you'll have more than enough time on your hands.
2. You have about two times more days than you actually need, and this is moving at a slow pace with no guide.  What I am doing is basically doing is : Main Quest for a day -> Complete most side quests that pop up in said city for the entire next day -> explore new region with any remaining time -> Main quest for a day.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Darilon on February 14, 2014, 02:26:25 PM
How fast does it move exactly? I have been avoiding articles since release in case the plot gets spoiled but I am curious about the time aspect.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on February 14, 2014, 02:34:52 PM
I haven't really timed it, sorry.  I will say it seems rather intimidating at first, but as you continue its pressure lifts. It's not as lenient as something like Breath of Fire V, though (in which you were never going to hit the time limit if you just ran around exploring).

You do have an ability that you can use rather liberally that stops the flow of time, but keeps everything else around you, including NPCs and quests, moving. This essentially doubles the amount of time you have, or more if you can find a nice group of monsters to replenish your EP supply.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Darilon on February 14, 2014, 02:38:27 PM
I haven't really timed it, sorry.  I will say it seems rather intimidating at first, but as you continue its pressure lifts. It's not as lenient as something like Breath of Fire V, though (in which you were never going to hit the time limit if you just ran around exploring).

You do have an ability that you can use rather liberally that stops the flow of time, but keeps everything else around you, including NPCs and quests, moving. This essentially doubles the amount of time you have, or more if you can find a nice group of monsters to replenish your EP supply.

Thanks for that Cyril. Answered a lot for me.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: anonypc on February 14, 2014, 09:12:22 PM
I caved and bought the game last night.

Played all last night, so far I actually like the game, it's pretty fun.  I can't say the same for post-game content, only if i can get there first.  But so far so good, I like the fact that everything is difficult! LOL
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on February 15, 2014, 03:55:18 PM
Forgive the rant but...

I really, really, really like just about everything this game attempts to do.
It is non-linear and heavily promotes exploration of huge areas.
There's a huge amount of content to do at a given time; you can even drive monster species extinct by killing off too many of them!
The music changes based on time of day and within each part of the region; I think the Wildlands has 5 or 6 field songs alone.  More games need to do this style of dynamic music.
The battle system is incredibly interesting and tense, especially during later boss battles.
You're free to build Lightning however you wish, she's a blank slate.
Fun little Final Fantasy references everywhere, but not blatantly shoved in your face (a street performer playing Clash on Big Bridge, Lightning acting identically to Celes in the Opera/Theatre segment of Yusnaan, Job costumes changing Lightning's dialogue to match their respective characters - like Blue Mage turns her post-battle comments more Bartz-like).

For me, everything is just about perfect and more than what I was hoping for coming into the game.

And yet, I think it would have been better without the XIII name.  The story isn't bad, per se, but it hurts the game. The world is interesting, as is the problems its facing (everyone immortal, slowly dying on the inside due to inability to change), but I just feel like connecting it to a story that happened 500 years in the past is so forced. Ridiculous, even.  The easiest comparison would be FFVII's ending with Red XIII.  If SE suddenly made a game with, say, Vincent that took place in that 500 years post-game time period it would be silly, right?  That's not really what we're interested in.

I think new characters in this setting would have made the story a lot more easily accessible to a lot of people.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: anonypc on February 15, 2014, 07:34:41 PM
So far I'm glad I trusted rpgfan's review, it is an appropriate score IMO.

There are definitely some annoyances, but it far undermines the actual enjoyable experience.

Yes the story does not make sense, either that or it does make sense but it's just way too hard for me to understand.  With that said, it's not like it's poorly told.  The story is all over the place, but in terms of presentation I don't see it poorly done at all.  Plus I read a lot of reviews saying that the NPCs, etc. have poorly drawn faces and models, etc.  I did not have that feeling at all and even at times I thought the designs were actually very well done.  The music is pretty good too, not spectacular or anything but so far pretty good.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on February 16, 2014, 09:46:00 AM
So I felt like I was wasting too much time and started over, but now I have an odd problem. Where the first time I had no problem receiving the quest from Gem the cat, this time the cat is there but the game won't let me interact with it. Anyone know what the problem might be. Made sure the area was clear of enemies and my sword was away.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 16, 2014, 11:26:59 AM
Silly question; were you talking to her at night? I think she's a daytime only thing.
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Highly debating restarting my file in an easier mode. I abhor this combat system. It's too damn picky with timings. It's far more efficient to just hold down guard 5 minutes in advance because getting a 'perfect guard' happens less than half of the time. So taking 50% damage all the time is better than talking 0-10% on a blue moon and 100% all the rest. Doesn't feel rewarding at all. In an easier mode I might be tempted to take more risks but so far all this feels like is "Hold attack, switch when out of AP, hold guard when enemy vibrates or text box appears, repeat until it dies. Thought that
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Noel might post the first fight where I couldn't do that after he kicked my rear hard the first time. But after I actually bothered to go into the fight with more than a single Phoenix Down and Veil they croaked most efficiently under the same tactic.

And whoever decided to script that 'Find the Numbers' quest needs to be shot in the ballocks. Did manage to do it just in time but the way the side quests give you like...virtually zero information just says management told them to be lazy in order to sell guides. Probably just going to GameFAQ run this thing. :-\

On the flip side of things...I think the X-2 Yuna outfit is almost worth the price. Only because there's a moment or two of dissonant humor that just made us laugh when Lightning speaks some of the outfit-specific quotes.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on February 16, 2014, 04:48:34 PM
I don't think I could disagree with you more, Zeron.  Yes, that quest is a pain in the ass, (the main issue being that I found two of them and didn't realize that the third wasn't available until I certain time) but it makes me incredibly happy that a modern RPG isn't holding my hand every step of the way. I don't want quest markers.  I hate them.  If they're there, make them removable like in Bravely Default.

Klutz, don't worry about time.  I finished the 5 main quests by day 8, as well as most of the side quests. I'm just running around making things extinct and finishing off the harder Canvas quests now.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 16, 2014, 07:50:45 PM
There are mediums between 'hand holding' and 'too lazy to bother'. LR falling on the south end of that scale (with a rare exception I will mention further down) and 'doesn't hold your hand' really isn't an excuse for a poorly designed questing system; I think.

An example of a correction

-When you first get the quest a passing NPC could mention they saw something 'in the north end of town'. This narrows down the search field without specifically guiding you to the spot.

-Upon reaching the northern section of town you can program a few NPCs, if the player takes the time to talk to them, to mention they saw something in X district. Narrowing it down even further and rewarding you for going out of your way to interact with the environment.

Altogether this still forces you to investigate without pointing you to the exact spot, but doesn't leave you feeling like you just got chucked into a dark room with zero guidance.

As is

-NPCs who have information are either humping the location to where you see it anyway by that point (literally, as this game has major buggy clipping issues both in and out of cutscenes; like PC version Bethesda bad).

-Since you're forced to literally go through and talk to every single person and search every single pixel like it's the Point and Click era; sometimes you'll find the person that just gives it to you for 'free' (both literally and for 2000 gil).

You don't get much more 'handholding' then "Oh, you talked to me. Here is the exact answer. Here's exactly where I found it so you don't have to bother going there again. No charge."
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on February 16, 2014, 10:20:37 PM
I'm either really bad at this game, or the official guide is pants-on-head retarded. The thing suggests the first thing you do on Day 2 is take on the Chocobo Eater in mission 3-1. I neglected to do this, and instead collected the numbers I needed (except The Warren, nothing like telling you to collect the numbers before dark, and then making that literally impossible) Did a few other side quests in Luxerion for stats, then decided to explore the Wildlands. I've tried that damn Chocobo Eater multiple times and have yet to succeed.

It's hilarious, because the guide refers you to the battle strategies in the bestiary, which mention 3 or 4 abilities that you wouldn't actually have if you followed the guide. Stupidest guide ever.

UPDATE: Apparently I'm still adjusting to this new battle system, as I was finally able to beat that Chocobo Eater without doing anything new (I could have done other stuff, I just figured I was there and I'd give it one more try.

The problem with the battle system is it's very deceptive. It's presented in a similar style as the faster-paced battles of the XIII and XIII-2, but the battles here require a lot more patience and precision than the previous games. I love the challenge now that I understand it's nature a bit more, though I still think HP management is a pain in the arse.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ultra7k on February 17, 2014, 12:35:19 PM
Logged about 21 hours since Friday, and have completed 2 of the main story line quests, and a boat load of side quests.

Overall it is a positive experience, I like how you can go anywhere, but I tend to stick around to complete the area I'm in before moving on. That being said, it does provide a lot of freedom in the order in which you would like to do things. I enjoyed 13/13-2, and I think so far this might be my favourite of the three.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 17, 2014, 02:10:29 PM
Hope you like Lightning by the way. We're probably not rid of her yet. (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/132273-Lightning-Could-Appear-in-Future-Final-Fantasys)

Linking the Escapist article over the Sil article just because that one's easier to read.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Agent D. on February 17, 2014, 02:20:30 PM
Hope you like Lightning by the way. We're probably not rid of her yet. (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/132273-Lightning-Could-Appear-in-Future-Final-Fantasys)

Linking the Escapist article over the Sil article just because that one's easier to read.
This doesn't deserve to be noted as news. SE has been cashing in on old FF characters for years. Cloud in FFTactics, every main character in dissidia, kingdom hearts cameos, that old psx fighting game...the list goes on. Lightning is a pink haired cloud, so of course she's gonna be abused for the next 15 years.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 17, 2014, 03:31:13 PM
Of the main female characters I've always liked Fang and Serah better personally, but I don't have any problem to see more of Lightning in Kingdom Hearts III or Dissidia for example.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on February 17, 2014, 03:43:39 PM
I really like Lumina's VA. I know she has that obnoxious valley girl inflection, but she totally commits to it and her delivery is spot on.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: FallenGrace on February 19, 2014, 08:08:07 AM
Of the main female characters I've always liked Fang and Serah better personally, but I don't have any problem to see more of Lightning in Kingdom Hearts III or Dissidia for example.
Agreed, in those sort of games she is perfect for, just no need for any more FFXIII spin offs....
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Maxximum on February 19, 2014, 11:02:53 AM
One of the staples of the FF series is that each iteration is different from the last. Needless to say, I'm glad that XIII is done. I'm still trying to get around to restarting FFXIII thats been sitting in my "put it down years ago and never came back" backlog. Who knows, maybe Ill actually like its linearity and hands off approach this time around since I don't have nearly as much time for gaming anymore.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Deufo on February 23, 2014, 08:11:39 PM
Just finished playing Lightning Returns. It was definitely a good ride, playing the 3 games. But i was expecting so much more after XIII-2. My main problem was how disconnected the story was from the other games, like it's not a sequel at all. Don't get me wrong, the main points are still there, but the 500-year passage was, in my opinion, a weird turn. The way the narrative uses to tell what happened in those 500 years with the other characters is weird too, using small flashbacks with characters simply stating "Yeah, we did that for the first 200 years...", which gets the point across in a weird, disconnected way, like no time passed at all. And i really wish Lightning would get more character development, besides the few lines of text we get in some loading screens.

The ending was good, although i feel it needed an epilogue of sorts. But i always think that games need an epilogue, so take that with a pinch of salt. Definitely worth playing through the series, though.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on February 23, 2014, 08:18:58 PM
^ I think an epilogue would have been really good just to see what the rest of the cast is up to
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on February 25, 2014, 09:50:19 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/02/25/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-dlc-brings-new-equipment-sets-lightning/

Guys, now you too can finally strap Moogles onto your Lightning Doll's crotch.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on February 25, 2014, 09:53:22 AM
I just love that no matter how ridiculous the outfit (including bubblegum pink spandex) she still just scowls at everything. I don't think the designers once stopped and asked themselves "Is this something Lightning would even wear?"
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on February 25, 2014, 12:33:03 PM
I just love that no matter how ridiculous the outfit (including bubblegum pink spandex) she still just scowls at everything. I don't think the designers once stopped and asked themselves "Is this something Lightning would even wear?"

Light pink is a bit of a tricky colour too.  I think if she was a brunette or blonde it would have worked better.

Also, I think that's why dress spheres worked well in X-2, you'd at least get a sort of "personality rainbow" (sadly, outfits wouldn't extend into cutscenes) and the small stylistic differences in their outfits to match each girl.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ultra7k on February 25, 2014, 06:13:04 PM
but but but, she feels like singing and dancing!
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 25, 2014, 07:43:44 PM
I don't think the designers once stopped and asked themselves "Is this something Lightning would even wear?"

They did.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Starmongoose on February 25, 2014, 07:45:42 PM
I don't think the designers once stopped and asked themselves "Is this something Lightning would even wear?"

They did.

Shows over.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on February 25, 2014, 09:27:48 PM
I don't think the designers once stopped and asked themselves "Is this something Lightning would even wear?"

They did.

Shows over.

Obviously it is because she's wearing it.  Forced by developers to wear this unfortunate get-up
(http://assets.vg247.com/current//2013/11/lightning_returns_final_fantasy_13_ps3_xbox_360_moogle.jpg)

On the other hand: While searching for that I saw Serah's White Mage outfit and loved it all over again...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on February 25, 2014, 10:07:35 PM
I played some more FFXIII-2 after they released her White Mage outfit just so I could enjoy it. So awesome (And then Lightning's White Mage outfit makes her looks like Sophia from Soul Calibur)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on February 25, 2014, 10:33:40 PM
I played some more FFXIII-2 after they released her White Mage outfit just so I could enjoy it. So awesome (And then Lightning's White Mage outfit makes her looks like Sophia from Soul Calibur)

The use of that peach-pink as a sub-in for the usual White Mage "reds" was brilliant; and I loved the beige and warm ash grey.  It was awesome.

And I looked up the WM Lightning... I like it too, very different (I never really liked the traditional white mage get up anyways)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 26, 2014, 01:32:52 AM
Checked the last update of PSN this week and the Custom Themes of LR are on sale now. $1.99 each.

(http://i57.tinypic.com/r7qcdy.png)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on February 26, 2014, 01:44:09 AM
http://youtu.be/eHuebHTD-lY
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Lard on February 27, 2014, 12:52:26 AM
I'm waiting for the eventual re-packaging of FF13 1-3 as a collection with all the DLC.

We all know it's going to happen at some point.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Elegance on February 27, 2014, 01:16:58 AM
I'm waiting for the eventual re-packaging of FF13 1-3 as a collection with all the DLC.

We all know it's going to happen at some point.
The question if they will release it overseas.  I still don't know why they didn't release that 25th FF anniversary collection over here.  It would have easily sold out, even if it was just collectors buying it.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on March 03, 2014, 02:37:07 AM
Most stressful game ever. I feel awful after having played it for 3 hours. I even restarted a section. I feel like I'm not living up to the pace it requires.

Not enjoying this one bit. Think it's bad for my mental health.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on March 03, 2014, 03:51:16 AM
Most stressful game ever. I feel awful after having played it for 3 hours. I even restarted a section. I feel like I'm not living up to the pace it requires.

Not enjoying this one bit. Think it's bad for my mental health.

It's not.  Not really.  You have plenty of time.  Too much time, even.

Use Chronostasis.

Trust me when I say "you're worrying too damn much."
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on March 03, 2014, 09:56:09 AM
^ What he said. I was scared to death of my pace at the start, but I'm on Day 9 and can easily finish up any quests I have left (That can be done on the first playthrough) by the end of Day 10.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 03, 2014, 11:51:17 AM
I'm waiting for the eventual re-packaging of FF13 1-3 as a collection with all the DLC.

We all know it's going to happen at some point.
The question if they will release it overseas.  I still don't know why they didn't release that 25th FF anniversary collection over here.  It would have easily sold out, even if it was just collectors buying it.

I think it was Toriyama or someone from SQEX Japan who said that if we wanted the 'Lightning Ultimate Box' we only had to show that there was a demand for it. Obviously that didn't happen because most of the audience in the Internet for this game(s) were too busy being shitty about LR and the series to care...

Still, I sort of doubt that with showing demand and everything we would had gotten that sweet box and I also doubt there's gonna be a re-release with every game and DLC for those who are in a battle against DLC.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ultra7k on March 03, 2014, 12:18:03 PM
Most stressful game ever. I feel awful after having played it for 3 hours. I even restarted a section. I feel like I'm not living up to the pace it requires.

Not enjoying this one bit. Think it's bad for my mental health.

It's not.  Not really.  You have plenty of time.  Too much time, even.

Use Chronostasis.

Trust me when I say "you're worrying too damn much."

Still on my first play through, and I've got 2 days to spare, completed all side quests (minus some of the ones that just can't be done in the first run) and the majority of the prayer canvas. Plenty of time. I figure in my next run, I can do most of the game in a pretty short time period.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on March 03, 2014, 01:29:57 PM


Still on my first play through, and I've got 2 days to spare, completed all side quests (minus some of the ones that just can't be done in the first run) and the majority of the prayer canvas. Plenty of time. I figure in my next run, I can do most of the game in a pretty short time period.

On my current E-mode playthrough I did the 'minimum' requirement of all 5 Main Quests and 40 Side Quests (technically 41 since my wife wanted to run around and find all the clocks XD ) in about 4-ish days spamming Chronostasis at every given moment.

From what I've seen you can do all that in 3-ish if you plan out your quests a bit better. I lost about half a day being screwed over by time gates and day-night enemy and item type transitions; that and apparently some of the easiest Yusnan side quests are super misable if you don't do them before the main.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on March 03, 2014, 02:23:08 PM
I'm waiting for the eventual re-packaging of FF13 1-3 as a collection with all the DLC.

We all know it's going to happen at some point.
The question if they will release it overseas.  I still don't know why they didn't release that 25th FF anniversary collection over here.  It would have easily sold out, even if it was just collectors buying it.

I think it was Toriyama or someone from SQEX Japan who said that if we wanted the 'Lightning Ultimate Box' we only had to show that there was a demand for it. Obviously that didn't happen because most of the audience in the Internet for this game(s) were too busy being shitty about LR and the series to care...

Still, I sort of doubt that with showing demand and everything we would had gotten that sweet box and I also doubt there's gonna be a re-release with every game and DLC for those who are in a battle against DLC.

If I recall correctly, you could've totally have gotten it off of Squeenix's online store.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ultra7k on March 03, 2014, 05:15:36 PM


Still on my first play through, and I've got 2 days to spare, completed all side quests (minus some of the ones that just can't be done in the first run) and the majority of the prayer canvas. Plenty of time. I figure in my next run, I can do most of the game in a pretty short time period.

On my current E-mode playthrough I did the 'minimum' requirement of all 5 Main Quests and 40 Side Quests (technically 41 since my wife wanted to run around and find all the clocks XD ) in about 4-ish days spamming Chronostasis at every given moment.

From what I've seen you can do all that in 3-ish if you plan out your quests a bit better. I lost about half a day being screwed over by time gates and day-night enemy and item type transitions; that and apparently some of the easiest Yusnan side quests are super misable if you don't do them before the main.

Yeah there are 2 quests I think that are missable in Yusnan...actually come to think of it, outside of Luxerion, all the side quests are pretty easy. It is overwhelming at first because you are still getting to know the cities and such, but once you do, it's a piece of cake.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 03, 2014, 08:10:13 PM
If I recall correctly, you could've totally have gotten it off of Squeenix's online store.

(http://i61.tinypic.com/23lmb2s.gif)

Edited.*
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on March 03, 2014, 09:34:15 PM
Big Spoiler: It was a Paradox Ending all along!

Not really. Not really close to beating it, still on Day 10.

And that probably would've been funnier if half the people in this thread hadn't already spoiled the ending for themselves.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on March 04, 2014, 02:08:45 AM
Just beat the game tonight. That ending was...rather bland. :-\ Felt like a mixture of Russel T Davies' last episode of Doctor Who's self-congradulatory wankery (to be fair the whole game felt like this) mixed in with someone who tried to parrot the climactic scene of
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G Gundam and forgot that only works as an excuse if you invoke the Burger King.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on March 04, 2014, 02:23:29 AM
Just beat the game tonight. That ending was...rather bland. :-\ Felt like a mixture of Russel T Davies' last episode of Doctor Who's self-congradulatory wankery (to be fair the whole game felt like this) mixed in with someone who tried to parrot the climactic scene of
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G Gundam and forgot that only works as an excuse if you invoke the Burger King.

I think the lack of a full epilogue after three games worth of shitty times for the entire main cast is the biggest injustice.
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Y'know.  Snow is probably a heroin addicted rock star, Serah his groupie/divorced wife, Noel waiting to marry Yeul at 18, Vanille and Fang live and got married in Canada, Hope is BFFFs with Steve Jobs and went back in time to cure his cancer, and Sazh can finally see his kid grow older than 6 while running an Ostrich Farm.  Oh and Lightning livin' it up in France apaprently.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on March 04, 2014, 02:33:47 AM

I think the lack of a full epilogue after three games worth of shitty times for the entire main cast is the biggest injustice.
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Y'know.  Snow is probably a heroin addicted rock star, Serah his groupie/divorced wife, Noel waiting to marry Yeul at 18, Vanille and Fang live and got married in Canada, Hope is BFFFs with Steve Jobs and went back in time to cure his cancer, and Sazh can finally see his kid grow older than 6 while running an Ostrich Farm.  Oh and Lightning livin' it up in France apaprently.

Lets get the online forums ablaze in protest and send some Lightning-shaped cupcakes to SquareEnix. Maybe we'll get that as some hastily written DLC in a few months.

:3
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on March 04, 2014, 05:54:45 AM
Okay, so I'll explain where I am and why I'm so frustrated.

I'm right towards the beginning, in Luxarion, I have 5 days left (end of the day in which you can start the glowing number quest). I finished the quest where I have to find the glowing numbers and save the girl, now I have to chase after and defeat Noel. I have like 30 minutes left until the day ends, and I won't be able to fight Noel until after midnight of the next day if I don't do it now. Problem is, all but the lowest enemies utterly destroy me, and when I went up to Noel, he absolutely obliterated me. I was under the impression that I was supposed to defeat Noel at the end of this day, but I'm just getting my ass kicked. I've barely had any time to do side quests, and when I do, I'm faced with enemies that just wear me down.

I feel like I'm doing something horribly wrong. I feel like I'm just keeping up with the pace the game expects (Hope is constantly urging me to hurry and it gets me very agitated), but at the same time, I'm very confused as to where I'm supposed to be in terms of time by this point.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Prime Mover on March 04, 2014, 08:25:21 AM
Okay, I played another day, did a bunch of side quests. I've noticed a slight increase in my abilities to take down enemies. Still I couldn't get Noel down to more than 2/3rds. I'll try again at the end of day 4.

I'm guarding and trying to exploit his weaknesses, but his attacks are a bit hard to predict, and I barely do any damage to him. Went through all my potions, a phoenix down and an Arise. I notice other people saying they beat him on day 2... I must really suck at this game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on March 04, 2014, 08:48:44 AM
Go to a new area if Noel is causing you trouble.  Maybe play around in the Wildlands a bit.  One of the main quests there is basically a prolonged fetch quest.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ultra7k on March 04, 2014, 12:30:21 PM
I vaguely recall reading somewhere that bosses get more difficult and have better drops if they are beaten after day 6? Is this true? Anyways, if you keep on completing side quests the bosses more or less become a walk in the park. At least that way you'll also come across new schematas, weapons and accessories.

I just beat this game late last night, and I have to say, I haven't been this satisfied at a conclusion of a game in a long long while. Maybe even since Suikoden II. Despite all the naysaying that goes on with the XIII games, maybe I'm drawing slight parallels to the trilogy and the last 4 years of my life or whatever but there was something about the conclusion, as far fetched as it may be that had me just plain satisfied.

Anyways, I'm going to go back and try to platinum the game because I think it will kind of end up being something of a seminal moment in my gaming history for me at least.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: ZeronHitaro on March 04, 2014, 01:35:31 PM
There's also the option to just do as many side quests as possible, let the world die, and use the New Game+ feature to start over with all your bonus stats intact. So technically if you wanted you could just have a run at all the easier side quests, sleep at the inn non-stop, and do it all over again.

If you're decent at blocking attacks I found my general 'go-to' option for most fights, including Noel, is to spam the crap out of Heavy Strike while keeping enough AP in reserve for guarding. Heavy Strike slowly builds up the stagger gauge and once it breaks and you're dealing bonus damage just keep pumping in Overclocks. It worked for Normal Difficulty Noel with minimal side questing.

Doubt it would work on a Hard run-through though. XP
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on March 10, 2014, 01:06:18 PM
I forgot to mention in the Game Journal thread another aspect of the ending I really liked: Lumina's reveal at the end completely turned my opinion of Lightning from all three games on it's head.

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There was also some nice parallels there with Lightning's final battle being to prevent Bhunivelze from turning all of humanity into the apathetic, unfeeling drone she had turned herself into.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 11, 2014, 09:07:30 PM
Classic Final Fantasy and Samurai DLC out for Lightning Returns today (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/03/classic-final-fantasy-and-samurai-dlc-out-for-lightning-returns-today/) -- Nova Crystallis

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Rejected Garb Designs:

(http://i59.tinypic.com/ev9d3r.png)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Starmongoose on March 11, 2014, 09:09:40 PM
They rejected the penguin costume?

I am disappointed.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on March 11, 2014, 09:10:11 PM
3, 8, and 9 would have been cool.  Meh to the rest
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on March 11, 2014, 09:11:19 PM
They rejected the penguin costume?

I am disappointed.

Me too, man...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 11, 2014, 09:15:25 PM
#TeamPenguin is strong over here I see. Nice. :)
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on March 11, 2014, 09:16:33 PM
I'd expect some serious Blazzagaing out of it.  And any reason they'd come up with for why it didn't make it would be hogwash.  Dammit Japan, you had to put a cat girl in...but omit a penguin design.

That's racist.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on March 11, 2014, 09:19:09 PM
More like specist!
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on March 11, 2014, 09:57:24 PM
More like specist!

To-may-to
To-mah-to. 

But yes!  This specism is so barbaric
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on March 11, 2014, 10:21:01 PM
I like the penguin, too, but the Cait Sith next to it just looks abysmal.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: blackthirteen on March 13, 2014, 10:35:04 PM
I've tried the demo on the PS3 and I must confess I was really impressed with the visuals (very nice light effects), the storyline seems intriguing as well. I guess I'll have to give XIII-2 another chance and then play Lightning Returns to catch up with the storyline.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on March 13, 2014, 10:58:32 PM
I've tried the demo on the PS3 and I must confess I was really impressed with the visuals (very nice light effects), the storyline seems intriguing as well. I guess I'll have to give XIII-2 another chance and then play Lightning Returns to catch up with the storyline.

It's hard to explain this and I don't know to what extent people would agree (if at all), but I love that Japanese have a real thing for "pretty" and "beautiful" that really shows off in their art, their graphics, and so forth.  Japanese 3D (at its best) likes to create aesthetically attractive looking models, I think, that shines through better than US videogame's best in graphics (who were otherwise, IMO, the bigger juggernauts of console gameplay).

For instance:

(http://images.amcnetworks.com/ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/06162011_Mass_Effect_3_FemShep.jpg)
(http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/Lightning_Returns_Final_Fantasy_XIII/ss-019.jpg)


Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: blackthirteen on March 14, 2014, 02:47:50 AM
I never had the chance to play Mass Effect, that women on that screenshot looks stunningly well-done. I suppose there isnt many storyline segments in Mass Effect, probably why I'll never play it. It's another reason why I loved Japanese RPG more than the western ones, although most recent JRPG were a letdown. Only Hideo Kojima can still deliver a solid storyline with a massive amount of cutscenes these days.



Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 14, 2014, 11:27:27 PM
^MGS as a series is very self-aware of what it is and it plays with whatever expectation the player might have, an RPG doing that kinda goes against what the genre has established over the years.

Then again, a lot of games nowadays are hybrids...
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Giga_Force on March 25, 2014, 03:47:05 PM
I finished-- 100% a few weeks ago and was very satisfied with the ending.  As much as I hate to say it... I'm going to miss these games, lol.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 05, 2014, 03:49:10 AM
A Conversation About a Conversation About Final Fantasy XIII (http://critical-hits-and-profoundments.tumblr.com/post/80184827936/a-conversation-about-a-conversation-about-final-fantasy) -- Critical Hits and Pixilated Profoundments

Is a bit shocking seeing someone that has the same perception I have over the XIII series. Knowing you guys though I bet there's gonna be a lot of talk I'm not gonna get into but is a very good read if you are interested.

Also the novel that was gonna be released close to the Japanese release of LR is said to be released on the official site of LR for free. Expect fan translations because SQEX doesn't care about translating this kind of supplemental material most of the time.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Holykael1 on April 05, 2014, 07:24:24 AM
A Conversation About a Conversation About Final Fantasy XIII (http://critical-hits-and-profoundments.tumblr.com/post/80184827936/a-conversation-about-a-conversation-about-final-fantasy) -- Critical Hits and Pixilated Profoundments

Is a bit shocking seeing someone that has the same perception I have over the XIII series. Knowing you guys though I bet there's gonna be a lot of talk I'm not gonna get into but is a very good read if you are interested.

Also the novel that was gonna be released close to the Japanese release of LR is said to be released on the official site of LR for free. Expect fan translations because SQEX doesn't care about translating this kind of supplemental material most of the time.

I agree with that article as far as the good things it had to say about the XIII games except for "This is a story lead by women, and in many ways, it is about women. Do I think this might be the reason that some people are not particularly happy with the Final Fantasy XIII series? Yes, actually I do.". That's a shitty way to try and justify the hate the game gets. I'd say it's more about people not paying attention to the plot, ignoring datalogs, ignoring character motivations and backgrounds just because they don't relate or like the personality of said character or clinging on to stupid bandwagons you see on the internet(Herp derp RAIGNTING WAIFU BLA BLA Torniaymsadma).
 Or it might actually be that they genuinely don't like the games for perfectly solid reasons(lack of exploration, too much combat, etc..). I say this as a fan of the XIII games, more so of the sequels than the original XIII but even that one I like a good amount.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on April 05, 2014, 10:49:33 AM
So after browsing the list of BatmanLightning Returns's costumes on the FFWikia, I see that most of them are variants of the same 6 or 7 initially announced. Now granted, variation of even that amount is an amazing feat for costume options, however, as variations, most do not address the issues I had with said original 6 or 7 (or somehow make them uglier than before).

It's a tad disappointing.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 05, 2014, 01:02:34 PM
@Holykael1: Yeah that's true and I've seen all that happening with XIII even before the first game was released. FF always tends to attract that kind of cathartic reaction, but what he/she said in that portion you disagree with is actually not far from the truth. Sadly there's a bunch of sexist people out there that don't like or can accept a female character having things like a strong presence and/or a developed personality, not even in a video game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on April 05, 2014, 04:18:00 PM
So after browsing the list of BatmanLightning Returns's costumes on the FFWikia, I see that most of them are variants of the same 6 or 7 initially announced. Now granted, variation of even that amount is an amazing feat for costume options, however, as variations, most do not address the issues I had with said original 6 or 7 (or somehow make them uglier than before).

It's a tad disappointing.

True.

Keep in mind, too, that you can also customize their colors in-game. Well, for most of the costumes, not all; for some of the ugliest ones you can't.  And, of course, said ugly one is one of the best in the game.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Tintaglia on April 06, 2014, 11:40:00 AM
When FFVIII came out, I knew Final Fantasy had changed into something I didn't really like.

When FFX came out, I was having a hard time admitting to myself how much I hated it.

When FFXII came out, I started to realize to my great sadness that I've outgrown Final Fantasy and I should let go.

When FFXIII came out, I was upset at myself for buying it, just out of habit.

When Lightning Returns came out, I realized I just don't give a damn anymore. I'm done.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Holykael1 on April 06, 2014, 12:10:41 PM
When FFVIII came out, I knew Final Fantasy had changed into something I didn't really like.

When FFX came out, I was having a hard time admitting to myself how much I hated it.

When FFXII came out, I started to realize to my great sadness that I've outgrown Final Fantasy and I should let go.

When FFXIII came out, I was upset at myself for buying it, just out of habit.

When Lightning Returns came out, I realized I just don't give a damn anymore. I'm done.

Ok
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on April 06, 2014, 02:15:05 PM
When FFVIII came out, I knew Final Fantasy had changed into something I didn't really like.

When FFX came out, I was having a hard time admitting to myself how much I hated it.

When FFXII came out, I started to realize to my great sadness that I've outgrown Final Fantasy and I should let go.

When FFXIII came out, I was upset at myself for buying it, just out of habit.

When Lightning Returns came out, I realized I just don't give a damn anymore. I'm done.

Ok

At least FFIX was omitted! :D

And I kinda agree but not with this same ZEST AND PASSION OF ABSOLUTE ANGER.  And I like FFX (mostly for its pretty world and fun and quick battle system).

LR has my attention since everyone calls to its battle system and customization as being a lot of fun (at the expense of a good story).  As soon as that game is on discount I might pick it up.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Holykael1 on April 06, 2014, 02:23:04 PM
When FFVIII came out, I knew Final Fantasy had changed into something I didn't really like.

When FFX came out, I was having a hard time admitting to myself how much I hated it.

When FFXII came out, I started to realize to my great sadness that I've outgrown Final Fantasy and I should let go.

When FFXIII came out, I was upset at myself for buying it, just out of habit.

When Lightning Returns came out, I realized I just don't give a damn anymore. I'm done.

Ok

At least FFIX was omitted! :D

And I kinda agree but not with this same ZEST AND PASSION OF ABSOLUTE ANGER.  And I like FFX (mostly for its pretty world and fun and quick battle system).

LR has my attention since everyone calls to its battle system and customization as being a lot of fun (at the expense of a good story).  As soon as that game is on discount I might pick it up.

People who criticize the story are mostly people who dont know shit about the XIII universe(and it shows with the amount of stupid that comes out of their mouths as far as storyline events go) or didn't like the XIII stories to begin with. If you enjoyed the previous games, LR does a good job at closing the story. I saw some fans being disappointed too but it's uncommon.
If you don't like the characters or story from the previous two games yeah, don't expect anything out of it.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 06, 2014, 05:41:06 PM
When FFVIII came out, I knew Final Fantasy had changed into something I didn't really like.

When FFX came out, I was having a hard time admitting to myself how much I hated it.

When FFXII came out, I started to realize to my great sadness that I've outgrown Final Fantasy and I should let go.

When FFXIII came out, I was upset at myself for buying it, just out of habit.

When Lightning Returns came out, I realized I just don't give a damn anymore. I'm done.

(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/48207820.jpg)

LR has my attention since everyone calls to its battle system and customization as being a lot of fun (at the expense of a good story).  As soon as that game is on discount I might pick it up.

XIII's story in the long run ends up being a fulfilling experience in comparison to whatever X and X-2 tried to do in their time. They both have their moments of brilliance and their passionate fans, but overall, I honestly think that Persona 3 did practically the same story that X was trying to do way better.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Holykael1 on April 06, 2014, 06:23:17 PM
When FFVIII came out, I knew Final Fantasy had changed into something I didn't really like.

When FFX came out, I was having a hard time admitting to myself how much I hated it.

When FFXII came out, I started to realize to my great sadness that I've outgrown Final Fantasy and I should let go.

When FFXIII came out, I was upset at myself for buying it, just out of habit.

When Lightning Returns came out, I realized I just don't give a damn anymore. I'm done.

(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/48207820.jpg)

LR has my attention since everyone calls to its battle system and customization as being a lot of fun (at the expense of a good story).  As soon as that game is on discount I might pick it up.

XIII's story in the long run ends up being a fulfilling experience in comparison to whatever X and X-2 tried to do in their time. They both have their moments of brilliance and their passionate fans, but overall, I honestly think that Persona 3 did practically the same story that X was trying to do way better.

You give off weird vibes to me(I don't mean it in a derrogatory way). You talk like someone who has been through a lot, like a veteran of war who possibly lost some limbs and fought a lot of battles and just gave up on life(in terms of internet discussions).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on April 06, 2014, 06:59:12 PM
When FFVIII came out, I knew Final Fantasy had changed into something I didn't really like.

When FFX came out, I was having a hard time admitting to myself how much I hated it.

When FFXII came out, I started to realize to my great sadness that I've outgrown Final Fantasy and I should let go.

When FFXIII came out, I was upset at myself for buying it, just out of habit.

When Lightning Returns came out, I realized I just don't give a damn anymore. I'm done.

Ok

At least FFIX was omitted! :D

And I kinda agree but not with this same ZEST AND PASSION OF ABSOLUTE ANGER.  And I like FFX (mostly for its pretty world and fun and quick battle system).

LR has my attention since everyone calls to its battle system and customization as being a lot of fun (at the expense of a good story).  As soon as that game is on discount I might pick it up.

People who criticize the story are mostly people who dont know shit about the XIII universe(and it shows with the amount of stupid that comes out of their mouths as far as storyline events go) or didn't like the XIII stories to begin with. If you enjoyed the previous games, LR does a good job at closing the story. I saw some fans being disappointed too but it's uncommon.
If you don't like the characters or story from the previous two games yeah, don't expect anything out of it.

I liked you better before you became an FFXIII apologist.

So would you rate the FFXIII trilogy as being better than 999/VLR, and if so, by how much?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on April 06, 2014, 07:12:50 PM
I don't think he's necessarily wrong, though.  XIII's lore is quite interesting and certainly very complex.  It's just not used well in the games and it's all in the side material, which in itself is a trend worth criticizing, I think.  Having to read supplemental material outside and unrelated to the game to get the most out of it is silly, no matter the series.  There's a line between being self-contained with just extra material that explains more of events or background (FFVII is a good example) and reliance on explaining the main plot through outside material (XIII, Xenogears, Danganronpa, arguably Chrono Cross, so on).

That being said, and I said it earlier in the thread, I think LR would have been a better game had it not been directly connected to the original XIII and XIII-2.  It cheapens the world the game takes place in, because I found it genuinely interesting. The connection to the previous games felt tacked on in comparison.

XI is probably the only game in the series that has more complex worldbuilding than XIII.  But XI also has had more than 10 years of updates and expansions to build, so it's not a particularly fair comparison.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Holykael1 on April 06, 2014, 07:28:19 PM
When FFVIII came out, I knew Final Fantasy had changed into something I didn't really like.

When FFX came out, I was having a hard time admitting to myself how much I hated it.

When FFXII came out, I started to realize to my great sadness that I've outgrown Final Fantasy and I should let go.

When FFXIII came out, I was upset at myself for buying it, just out of habit.

When Lightning Returns came out, I realized I just don't give a damn anymore. I'm done.

Ok

At least FFIX was omitted! :D

And I kinda agree but not with this same ZEST AND PASSION OF ABSOLUTE ANGER.  And I like FFX (mostly for its pretty world and fun and quick battle system).

LR has my attention since everyone calls to its battle system and customization as being a lot of fun (at the expense of a good story).  As soon as that game is on discount I might pick it up.

People who criticize the story are mostly people who dont know shit about the XIII universe(and it shows with the amount of stupid that comes out of their mouths as far as storyline events go) or didn't like the XIII stories to begin with. If you enjoyed the previous games, LR does a good job at closing the story. I saw some fans being disappointed too but it's uncommon.
If you don't like the characters or story from the previous two games yeah, don't expect anything out of it.

I liked you better before you became an FFXIII apologist.

So would you rate the FFXIII trilogy as being better than 999/VLR, and if so, by how much?

I am not an apologist. I like what I like and I am not afraid to defend what I like regardless of the status quo. I don't love things blindly I might add, I am no fanboy either. This applies to anything, XIII is just an example.
And I think you overrate how much I like FF XIII xD. 999/VLR are FARRRRRRRRRRRRRR superior(it's a completely different tier of experience). And for clarification my FF rankings would be as follows 7 > 10 > 9=8 > 6 = 13-2(though I tend to give 6 the edge) > LR = 4 > 12=5=13 > 2 > 1.
I don't dislike any of them and even with 1 at the bottom I like it quite a bit and as you see the 13 games are not that high. I just can't relate to the hyperbolic negativity, that's all, I enjoy many aspects of the XIII games even if they are not perfect but I tend to look for reasons to enjoy something and not the other way around.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on April 06, 2014, 07:32:58 PM
Can we at least agree that the twist at the very end of LR was unnecessary, stupid, and cheapened the whole series?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 06, 2014, 07:37:09 PM
You give off weird vibes to me(I don't mean it in a derrogatory way). You talk like someone who has been through a lot, like a veteran of war who possibly lost some limbs and fought a lot of battles and just gave up on life(in terms of internet discussions).

And what do you want me to say when a lot of the people that play Square games suffer from Stockholm Syndrome? If I say too much they get salty so I rather leave most of that noise alone.

Having to read supplemental material outside and unrelated to the game to get the most out of it is silly, no matter the series.

It depends on the series and it's audience. You can develop an audience for that kind of content, and those who don't like it have the choice of ignore it if they are comfortable doing that.

Can we at least agree that the twist at the very end of LR was unnecessary, stupid, and cheapened the whole series?

You are trying to make an opinion within this community a fact?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on April 06, 2014, 08:06:47 PM
Not having played the final game yet, and going from what people say about the story, I dunno was there any ...um, antecedence[?] for it to happen and for things to end the way it does?

Otherwise, I agree, it seems kinda tacked on.

I am glad that it is just a "nice" conclusion.  I was expecting at least one terrible thing to happen (I actually give 13-2 major kudos for the 'ballsy' ending it had).  But i guess the game makes you fight enough for the happy ending.

I definitely agree with Cyril.  13's plot has a lot of good things and a lot of potential (I liked the 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' concepts); I'm just not sure I liked the way it was executed at all.  Certainly the hop-skip-jump it pulls between titles felt a bit distracting, disconnected, and like their original vision wasn't really pulling the title along anymore.

Moon world --> Time Travel --> Majora's Mask-styled World Destruction of new land

I liked the point about making them standalone titles as well.  I'd rather explore one thing a bit more thoroughly, especially a world as impressive as 13's, than be torn between many.
Like, did anyone else feel all of the After Fall era of 13-2 was cool yet an extremely melancholic?  It was certainly the biggest 'heartache' I got from the saga. 
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Cyril on April 06, 2014, 08:17:13 PM
Having to read supplemental material outside and unrelated to the game to get the most out of it is silly, no matter the series.

It depends on the series and it's audience. You can develop an audience for that kind of content, and those who don't like it have the choice of ignore it if they are comfortable doing that.

I disagree, a series can be harmed quite a bit by not having information readily available in-game, as FFXIII demonstrates. I'd say if the prologue side-story book had been added as scenes in-game, more than a few complaints about the characters, especially the complaints about Lightning having no personality and Vanille being annoying, would have been rendered null.  XIII is, if anything, one of the biggest modern offenders showing why this method of storytelling is not viable in all situations.  I guess you could pull out things like Mass Effect 3 suddenly having some super powerful ridiculous Cyborg dude from their books who for some reason hates and stalks Shepard as well.

There's a difference between supplemental material and story-based material necessary for understanding the world the game takes place in. Supplemental material is fine if the plot of the game and most subplots stand alone without it, but I cannot support outside material being necessary to fully appreciate or understand a game's world and story.   I would say the sole exceptions are games where the world is intentionally vague and events are up for interpretation.

Edit: And, to elaborate, I'd say a good example of properly used supplemental material is FFX's Eternal Calm movie.  I didn't get to see it until a few years after X was released, but before X-2, and it came on a demo disk in OPM (or one of those older magazines).  You didn't need to see that movie to understand why Yuna and Rikku were doing what they were doing, it simply elaborated on currently known storyline or storyline that was soon to be released.  In FFXIII, without the supplemental material, you have no idea why Lightning's character is the way she is.

See the difference?
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 06, 2014, 08:48:41 PM
^I never said I disagreed, in fact, I share part of your point of view with what you just said. One of my frustrations you would say with XIII was the novels having integral portions of the narrative stuck there.

This pieces of narrative I feel might be officially localized and released a few years later when SQEX decides to re-release the XIII series in the future for a new platform.

...right now however I would like to see XII International Zodiac Job System remastered.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Kevadu on April 07, 2014, 12:41:50 AM
I've been following this discussion and thought about weighing a few times but I really didn't want to get into one of those arguments again...still I wanted to add my thoughts as an official FFXIII hater.

1.  I actually loved FFXII.  In fact I rank it as one of my favorite FF games (and I've been playing them since the original on the NES), though still second to VI.  So I was actually quite optimistic going into XIII.  I read the prequel novella and had pretty much bought into the hype.  So I certainly gave it a chance.  I knew the characters and had no trouble following what was going on.

2.  I didn't start hating FFXIII until I played the damn thing.  And boy did I hate it.

3.  I liked what the story was trying to do, but much like Dice I felt that it failed miserably in the execution.  Then add in some badly-written dialogue and stiff characters to boot.

4.  Still, 80% of why I hate it so much is the gameplay.  I've played plenty of games with cheesy writing and enjoyed them so long as the game part is fun.  But there was nothing fun about FFXIII for me.  The battle system was terrible.  I didn't find it hard, just tedious.  You end up switching between like the same three paradigms over and over and over as you fight enemies with inflated HP bars.  And then on top of that, there's nothing else in the game besides the battle system.  If you don't like the battle system there is literally nothing to like about the game.  There is no side content, no exploration, no minigames, nothing.  Just a lot of boring tedious battles.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Dice on April 07, 2014, 02:48:55 AM
I've been following this discussion and thought about weighing a few times but I really didn't want to get into one of those arguments again...still I wanted to add my thoughts as an official FFXIII hater.

1.  I actually loved FFXII.  In fact I rank it as one of my favorite FF games (and I've been playing them since the original on the NES), though still second to VI.  So I was actually quite optimistic going into XIII.  I read the prequel novella and had pretty much bought into the hype.  So I certainly gave it a chance.  I knew the characters and had no trouble following what was going on.

2.  I didn't start hating FFXIII until I played the damn thing.  And boy did I hate it.

3.  I liked what the story was trying to do, but much like Dice I felt that it failed miserably in the execution.  Then add in some badly-written dialogue and stiff characters to boot.

4.  Still, 80% of why I hate it so much is the gameplay.  I've played plenty of games with cheesy writing and enjoyed them so long as the game part is fun.  But there was nothing fun about FFXIII for me.  The battle system was terrible.  I didn't find it hard, just tedious.  You end up switching between like the same three paradigms over and over and over as you fight enemies with inflated HP bars.  And then on top of that, there's nothing else in the game besides the battle system.  If you don't like the battle system there is literally nothing to like about the game.  There is no side content, no exploration, no minigames, nothing.  Just a lot of boring tedious battles.

I personally got really annoyed with FF12 for a few reasons.  But I was a younger player and probably needed to grow up a bit to really enjoy it.  I also think the changes in the Zodiac Job System would have really changed my perspective on it.  I read it and *loved* what it goes for the gameplay.

I liked FF13's battle enough... Probably because I was good at it while a lot of others noted its difficulty, so that was something.  But it reaallly started to weigh on me with the point you mentioned: There is NOTHING else to do in the entire game.  FF13-2 admirably went to lengths to fix that* at least and expanded on what the initial FF13-1 (Beta version) should have been.  I almost think the PS3 gen of RPGs took a step back in what they offered players in exchange for goddamn cosmetics (yeah I'm generalizing, shame on me).  But all of FF7, 9, and 10 offer what is probably the most extensive and varied "endgame haps" in the entire series.  To go from that to basically playing to fulfill bizarre living epitaphs[?] and build the best weapons in what is probably the most obnoxious weapons upgrade system ever was a real fucking drag. 


*between watching an LP of Lightning Returns and from what I've played of the rest of the FF13 saga... I think 13-2 is probably the series' highpoint.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 07, 2014, 04:47:50 AM
I really didn't want to get into one of those arguments again...

What are you talking about? You guys are the ones that start with the salty BS and can go on about it for a few pages. xD

Has been like that here and other places for a while now. It doesn't bother or anything, I just find a bit funny the apparently brooding mood you guys get by talking about this.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Tintaglia on April 07, 2014, 05:14:13 AM
I think my main beef with the Final Fantasy franchise is how it still overshadows much more worthy RPGs simply with the weight of the name. I don't think it's by any means a terrible series now, just a mediocre one that's just not my cup of tea. It just gets so much attention for something that isn't top-of-the-line JRPG stuff, and I think it's more about the series' past than about the recent games being all that relevant. Even here, people would rather post 55 pages of posts discussing how bad this game is rather than talk about RPGs they think are good. Heck, even I'm doing it while claiming I don't even care! >_<

Oh well, c'est la vie.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Holykael1 on April 07, 2014, 05:24:28 AM
I think my main beef with the Final Fantasy franchise is how it still overshadows much more worthy RPGs simply with the weight of the name. I don't think it's by any means a terrible series now, just a mediocre one that's just not my cup of tea. It just gets so much attention for something that isn't top-of-the-line JRPG stuff, and I think it's more about the series' past than about the recent games being all that relevant. Even here, people would rather post 55 pages of posts discussing how bad this game is rather than talk about RPGs they think are good. Heck, even I'm doing it while claiming I don't even care! >_<

Oh well, c'est la vie.

Pot calling the kettle black.. If you don't want this "mediocre" series  to be talked about, dont talk about it. Admitting that you are being an hypocrite doesn't eliminate the fact that you are part of the problem in your own perspective.

Can we at least agree that the twist at the very end of LR was unnecessary, stupid, and cheapened the whole series?

To me it was harmless.. Didn't think much of it, I liked the fact that atleast
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it was a world without mythology because the mythological beings were the root of all the problems in the old world, the fact that it's supposed to be "earth" is irrelevant to  me, I like the idea of the ending I don't really care if it's supposed to say FF XIII's world became earth afterwards or wtver.
As far as  Kevadu's post goes. Yeah if you didn't like the combat, the game will be pretty unbearable because of one of the problems of that game for me even loving the combat is the fact that there is so much of it, no quiet time, no side activities, no distractions, FF XIII felt like a huge grind in some places, Grand Pulse was a breath of fresh air because even though all the sidequests were all fights atleast that part of the game was HUGGGGE and very relaxing to explore and walk around in  not to mention that the environments were jaw droppingly beautiful and the music was fantastic. And also, you need more than the same 3 sets of paradigms, If  you only use 3 sets of paradigms you are probably not very good at thhe game, I doubt you would even beat it.
The game made full use of it's systems, all the roles were extremely relevant, synergist, saboteur and sentinel were just as fundamental as Ravager, Commando and Medic.
Fully agree with Dice aswell, XIII-2 was easily the pinnacle of the series even though I thought LR had better gameplay/customization and was generally more fun to play. XIII-2 was not only excellent gameplay wise but it also had a fantastic villain, some really good characters with extremely well executed back stories(easily the best part of the trilogy (Noel/Caius/Yeul)), the music is some of the best in the series too and it was damn fun in it's own right.
The XIII series has generally cheesy dialogue but it's the kind of cheese that I can get into, I imagine how LR's ending could be very cringeworthy for many people but as I was attached to those characters it was very endearing to me. Execution wise, there are some standout moments but I agree that it's not very good in that respect. I'll take the contents of the actual stories over the execution any day so that's why I don't really complain too much about the narratives.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Aeolus on April 07, 2014, 05:45:43 AM
I am not an apologist. I like what I like and I am not afraid to defend what I like regardless of the status quo. I don't love things blindly I might add, I am no fanboy either. This applies to anything, XIII is just an example.
And I think you overrate how much I like FF XIII xD. 999/VLR are FARRRRRRRRRRRRRR superior(it's a completely different tier of experience). And for clarification my FF rankings would be as follows 7 > 10 > 9=8 > 6 = 13-2(though I tend to give 6 the edge) > LR = 4 > 12=5=13 > 2 > 1.
I don't dislike any of them and even with 1 at the bottom I like it quite a bit and as you see the 13 games are not that high. I just can't relate to the hyperbolic negativity, that's all, I enjoy many aspects of the XIII games even if they are not perfect but I tend to look for reasons to enjoy something and not the other way around.

Apologies man. The way you worded your previous post sounded like you were calling anyone who didn't like the XIII's trilogy's plot stupid.


That said, my thoughts on the XIII's trilogy's plot is that its about on par with the entire Megaman X series. Sure its generally an entertaining overall experience, but there are some really stupid parts to them as well that drag said experience down (of course, the biggest difference is that generally speaking, you can excuse some of the lamer parts due the nature of the series being broken up into smaller and far more numerous installments, some of which were clearly phoned in (unfortunately, some of the dumb can't be excused due to being contained within some of the more pivotal entries; made worse when those entries are also badly made (I'm looking at you MMX5)), but with the XIII trilogy, you've got dumb at some point in all three games and you can't really turn a blind eye to any of them without essentially discarding a huge chunk of plot). Anyways, that's the reason why I'm not all that willing to give the XIII trilogy a shot; I've been down that rabbit hole before and I'm not looking to repeat that mistake.


My thoughts on FFXII was that when it first came out, the game was generally entertaining enough for the main plot given the vast nature of the environment and the sudo-ARPG-ish-like nature of the game kinda reminding me of Secret of Mana and the plot having shades of FFT's plot (and not those fucking FFTA games), but the end/postgame sucks ass and left me feeling a bit bitter by the end. Basically, the game never really comes together at the end, leaving the war/politics on the sidelines for a dungeon crawl through two very annoying environments (Crystal Valley/Pharos Lighthouse) and having two mediocre final bosses (Cid and Vayne; Gabranth is little more than a speed bump when it finally comes time to deal with him); and on top of that, dungeons like the Imperial Research Facility and the Leviathan really take away from the everyman approach to your characters (you're basically mowing down faceless mooks, and even dreaded Judges are little more than speedbumps; whereas in FFT, most of your party for most of the game is made up of equally faceless mooks to all the other faceless mooks in the game, to the point where you can recruit them from opposing teams, and even your main characters are generally speaking, only marginally better (with the exceptions of T.G. Cid, Rafa, and Malak) than the rest).
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 07, 2014, 06:01:20 AM
@Aeolus: Is kind of hilarious how I can't agree with much of what you post most of the time. *sigh* Oh well. :T

I think my main beef with the Final Fantasy franchise is how it still overshadows much more worthy RPGs simply with the weight of the name.

As far as I've seen over the years that's only half true. The rest of your post is your opinion and I respect it even if we don't share the same point of view.

Also, is virtually impossible to talk much about the games themselves on a good chunk of gaming sites with how miserably repetitive people get about their own negativity. That's mainly the issue that plagues not only XIII but the entire the series (ones more than others). Is not reflected on every site of course, but is something a few times is hard to ignore.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Holykael1 on April 07, 2014, 06:13:19 AM
I am not an apologist. I like what I like and I am not afraid to defend what I like regardless of the status quo. I don't love things blindly I might add, I am no fanboy either. This applies to anything, XIII is just an example.
And I think you overrate how much I like FF XIII xD. 999/VLR are FARRRRRRRRRRRRRR superior(it's a completely different tier of experience). And for clarification my FF rankings would be as follows 7 > 10 > 9=8 > 6 = 13-2(though I tend to give 6 the edge) > LR = 4 > 12=5=13 > 2 > 1.
I don't dislike any of them and even with 1 at the bottom I like it quite a bit and as you see the 13 games are not that high. I just can't relate to the hyperbolic negativity, that's all, I enjoy many aspects of the XIII games even if they are not perfect but I tend to look for reasons to enjoy something and not the other way around.

Apologies man. The way you worded your previous post sounded like you were calling anyone who didn't like the XIII's trilogy's plot stupid.

What I meant with that part is that when many times I see people justifying their hate for the story of FF XIII(or why they think the story is fundamentally a piece of shit with no place for objection which is the type of mindset that drives me nuts) , they say things that directly contradict plot points and/or character motivations(not saying it's always the case but one big example is how many people follow Spoony's review of the game when that review is so idiotic, one of his biggest points is "All the characters had to do was nothing" and that point only shows how shortsighted his "analysis" is, if you want me to explain why that quote is retarded I will gladly do so). Making their hate seem as dumb as they claim the game is. I am speaking generally here, fortunately this website is full of awesome people that have tact in sharing their thoughts. Also as you see, I don't resort to personal insult, I am simply tearing apart things people said without resorting to ad hominem, I never said anyone was stupid for not liking it and I also do know, because I have seen it with my own eyes, that there are people out there who dislike the stories for completely valid and understandable reasons.

My wording is a little bit aggressive because I don't react well to putrid/poorly justified negativity. When I am negative myself I try to be respectful towards people who like the things I am being negative about. For example I dislike the Zelda games but I don't find joy in constantly telling fans of that series how much the games suck  in my opinion. In fact I actually enjoy hearing people talk about their passion for these games, it makes me have some kind of appreciation for them even if they are not my thing.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Klutz64 on April 07, 2014, 10:23:42 AM
I actually have the same problem with FFXII that Kevadu has with FFXIII. There's really nothing to do in the game but fight stuff. The only significant side quest was the Guild, and that was just a long chain of monsters to fight.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Tintaglia on April 07, 2014, 01:30:11 PM
I actually have the same problem with FFXII that Kevadu has with FFXIII. There's really nothing to do in the game but fight stuff. The only significant side quest was the Guild, and that was just a long chain of monsters to fight.

I agree. With both of you.

In FFXIII the problem was IMO worse, because their solution to fixing the "boring" towns and exploration was to get rid of them entirely, instead of trying to make them more interesting.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 07, 2014, 05:10:15 PM
So, I've been thinking in stopping linking and sharing a lot of the stuff I've found lately about LR in this thread since this whole deal is just going circles (again). And honestly is not really worth my time posting something with a big chunk of info like I planned to do only for someone to come here and get the entire thread trapped in a paradox yet again.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Holykael1 on April 07, 2014, 06:15:35 PM
So, I've been thinking in stopping linking and sharing a lot of the stuff I've found lately about LR in this thread since this whole deal is just going circles (again). And honestly is not really worth my time posting something with a big chunk of info like I planned to do only for someone to come here and get the entire thread trapped in a paradox yet again.

Isn't the point of you posting stuff to generate discussion?
You posted that blog a while ago and that generated discussion.. wtf man lol..

What's the point of you posting stuff if nobody will say anything about it? I don't think the discussion was harmful in any way, both parties benefited from it. If you have an issue with people voicing their minds why are you on forums anyway?

I like you better when you don't act like a scarred defeated man.
Title: Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 07, 2014, 06:57:58 PM
^Don't take the wrong impression.

This thread is about LR, not about "Why are you so salty about FF dawg?". I'm bored of the noise, that's all.