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Title: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 20, 2012, 02:35:33 AM
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Disgaea D2 (Disgaea Dimension 2)

Platform: PlayStation 3
Release Date (JP): March 20, 2013

Disgaea D2 Teaser Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgz4Pz18wzg)

PRE STORY

After the death of the overlord who boasted great powerful and charisma. In the Netherworld, an era of civil war has broken out over who will rule. The repeat battles end, an infamous warrior is driven away, and a young demon takes prominence.

The name of that demon is Laharl, the only son of the late demon king. Laharl is a wild and carefree demon who fights alongside eccentric angels and even humans. At long last, Laharl becomes the overlord.

Some years later, the arrogant demon king Laharl and his friends begin a new adventure. Wherever they precede, trouble and drama follow. Surprise and excitement, laughter and tears, the curtain rises on a fantastic spectacle!


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Disgaea D2 » Screenshots, Illustrations, Artwork, etc (October 31, 2012) (http://gematsu.com/gallery/disgaea-d2/october-31-2012/) -- Source: Gematsu

famitsu.com:

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【速報】日本一ソフトウェア、“Project:D”あらため『ディスガイア D2』を発表! 発売は2013年3月20日【追記あり】 (http://www.famitsu.com/news/201210/20023065.html)

gematsu.com:

"The identity of Nippon Ichi Software's Project: D was revealed to be Disgaea D2 during a Dengeki 20th anniversary stage event in Chiba.

Shogo Kozakai will serve as the game's producer. Its story is centered around characters Laharl, Etna, and Flonne. Because it's the series' 10th anniversary, they wanted to bring back Laharl, explained Kozakai, as he is its origin. Disgaea D2 is a sequel to Laharl's story. The "D" in the the title stands for "Dimension." But it can also mean "Destiny" or "Dramatic," according to the producer. Minori Chihara will sing the game's opening music."


Official Website: http://disgaea.jp/d2/
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Lard on October 20, 2012, 01:02:10 PM
So....reboot or sequel to Disgaea 1?
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Kevadu on October 20, 2012, 02:11:37 PM
Sequel, according to the Famitsu article.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Dice on October 20, 2012, 02:14:04 PM
So it's a sequel of the FIRST game without treading over the second title...yea??

I like the HD 2D graphics.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Kevadu on October 20, 2012, 02:34:01 PM
Well, they don't say exactly where it fits in the timeline, but it's a continuation of Laharl's story.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Mickeymac92 on October 20, 2012, 03:42:16 PM
Cool. Maybe by the time it makes it over here I'll have actually beaten the first game.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 20, 2012, 08:44:53 PM
Are this sprites from Disgaea 4?

(http://i49.tinypic.com/140zne1.png)

Edit: Welp (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43411229&postcount=108).
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Monsoon on October 21, 2012, 01:18:49 AM
So, a direct sequel to one of my top ~20ish games of all time? Sure. I'm listening.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: ZeronHitaro on October 21, 2012, 07:46:20 AM
Eh...not so interested? There's really not much of anywhere to take the characters or for them to do that other NIS games involving Overlords aren't haven't done, only 'bigger/better'.

Something better than Overlord? Zetta already did that.
Something so better than the Overlord it's literally top of the inter-dimensional food chain? Reyva already did that.
Conquer the human world? So many alternate paths have already done that.
Fight God? Valvatorez already did that.

The problem with trying to make a Disgaea sequel (and really even a Disgaea 5 at this rate) is they've already topped themselves so many times within their own fictional universe that there's literally no where to go without pulling something so deep from within their own abdomens that...well...you get the mental image.

Additionally it's not like there will be a character-story to be had either. Laharl's already developed to his maximum as Japan will allow. He's a tsundere who spent the whole first game learning to accept his dere side. Flonne's pretty much been undeveloped since day one and if later installations in the series hold up she's pretty much turned into the closest thing Disgaea can have to a Mary Sue (she always gets what she wants, everyone but the villain comes to love her, hell she's pretty much the Archangel now despite being a fallen angel). Etna already hit her character development cap too, which really wasn't so much development as much as exposition about her past to garner some sympathy.

Don't get that critique wrong, I love the first game but the way the writing style in Disgaea works they can't modify those archetypes any further without the characters ceasing to be 'what' they are and what the audience expects (and if there's anything Japan constantly does in their entertainment media it's milk a loved cow into evaporation with the mantra 'Keep things relatively the same'). Any issues the characters have to overcome personally will pretty much be superficial and irrelevant. More than likely they'll just be tag-alongs for some new character to work out their issues.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: mjrpgfan on October 21, 2012, 02:27:30 PM
Disgaea 4 made me respect the franchise a bit more with the large amount of content and map editor. Hopefully they continue to improve the series.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Klyde Chroma on October 22, 2012, 03:37:59 AM
I gotta say, I was reeeal skeptical about this at first.... but with this news...

http://www.siliconera.com/2012/10/21/disgaea-dimension-2-picks-up-after-disgaea-1-limited-edition-announced/

I am a bit more enticed....


I really expected them to try some off the wall genre-hopping to some degree (yes I AM looking in your direction, Prinnies...)..... And to learn that it is in fact a DIRECT sequel and strategy game in the same spirit as the other primary titles in the Disgaea franchise, has got me completely stoked!



Additionally it's not like there will be a character-story to be had either. Laharl's already developed to his maximum as Japan will allow. He's a tsundere who spent the whole first game learning to accept his dere side. Flonne's pretty much been undeveloped since day one and if later installations in the series hold up she's pretty much turned into the closest thing Disgaea can have to a Mary Sue (she always gets what she wants, everyone but the villain comes to love her, hell she's pretty much the Archangel now despite being a fallen angel). Etna already hit her character development cap too, which really wasn't so much development as much as exposition about her past to garner some sympathy.

Don't get that critique wrong, I love the first game but the way the writing style in Disgaea works they can't modify those archetypes any further without the characters ceasing to be 'what' they are and what the audience expects (and if there's anything Japan constantly does in their entertainment media it's milk a loved cow into evaporation with the mantra 'Keep things relatively the same'). Any issues the characters have to overcome personally will pretty much be superficial and irrelevant. More than likely they'll just be tag-alongs for some new character to work out their issues.

As big of a fan as I am.... I have to completely agree with that...

I don't however think that negates the possibility of an entertaining script and narrative. One look back at how many stellar RPG's lacked any relevant character development in regard to the MC's proves, while helpful, it isn't the end-all of an engrossing tale. In Disgaea's case its the humor, ass-nine plot and character interactions that really drive the stories entertainment home..... That can really be accomplished without Laharl "growing" in any sense....

Now given the trend of the writing within the titles that followed Disgaea 1 do I really believe they are gonna pull that off....? Well that is a different question entirely...... I am still skeptical in that regard....

The long and the short of it.... this has enough potential to excite me.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: ZeronHitaro on October 22, 2012, 10:03:35 AM
Oh don't get me wrong; I'm not expecting any grand Greek operatic journey from a Disgaea game. I just bring up the whole character development angle because I honestly can't tell where you would even begin to lay a basic framework for a Disgaea sequel.

As I said before there's not much of any 'Sorcerer bad, go kill' plot they could do that wouldn't look old hat to past games due to the escalation they've had with each threat. Unless they make up a new level of evil there's not really any titles you could spend the game fetching either (really I think you literally can't create anything higher than Devourlord anymore; the only thing 'higher' would be an entity literally capable of having powers that extend outside the game world, a literal impossibility). Maybe you could get away with ye olden 'there's a mysical trinket somewhere/we just lost a mystical trinket; go find it'. But that's already been done in Prinny 2 of all games.

I'm simply trying to give NIS credit here in assuming they just won't recycle an old framework but I think they quite possibly have hit the limit for how many basic plots you can use in as broad a manner as they do without writing something a bit more 'serious'.

That's why I considered a 'character development' centric story; basically all slice-of-life-y only with Netherworld shenanigans ahoy. Problem is none of their main cast is really suited for such a plot since they have no where to go, again without doing something more 'serious'.

I'm sure NIS can crank out dialog and scenarios that'll definitely be amusing for a read-through or two. But without any rails to guide it...eh. That's what I'm wary about. I'm not sure Disgaea can handle just being 'random parody references for giggles' like Neptunia; which barely maintained itself with its paper-thin plotting.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Annubis on October 22, 2012, 12:19:41 PM
Unless they make up a new level of evil there's not really any titles you could spend the game fetching either (really I think you literally can't create anything higher than Devourlord anymore; the only thing 'higher' would be an entity literally capable of having powers that extend outside the game world, a literal impossibility).

The Void.
It has no name.
It has no title.
It just kills you.
Disgaea D2, coming in 2013!

...

Kidding aside, I loved Soul Nomad because it was a 'shorter' Disgaea. I just don't have the time for a real Disgaea game =|
So that's likely to be another pass like every other Disgaea game.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Mickeymac92 on October 22, 2012, 12:51:40 PM
Disgaea actually isn't that long, I got through more than half of the first game in about 25 hours, and it'd be faster if you're more strategic and spend less time grinding. In fact, I don't think you have to grind very much if you just play through every level 2 or 3 times (most of the stages aren't very long, IIRC) and don't make zillions of characters (you can only use up to, like, 12 at a time at the max, anyways. At least that's the most I've seen).
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Klyde Chroma on October 22, 2012, 04:02:30 PM

...

Kidding aside, I loved Soul Nomad because it was a 'shorter' Disgaea. I just don't have the time for a real Disgaea game =|
So that's likely to be another pass like every other Disgaea game.


The beauty of Disgaea to me is that when you have the time (as I once did with Disgaea 1-3) you can easily pour 100's of hours in.... but if you don't (such as when 4 came out and I was busy with backlogs in regard to gaming, and life in general....) you can hammer out the main scenario in 40-60 hours, without much need to grind at all....... Get stuck and still want to continue the story at mach speed? Reincarnate a powerhouse mage or two and trump the story battles with ease....

.... I will say this though.... forget about picking up where you left off, in regard to post game extras, without a major headache... I had an urge to throw Disgaea 4 in the other night (it is so appropriate for this time of year) and trying to figure out where I left off this time last year with developing characters and weapons and whatnot was waaaay too daunting.... when I realized it was New Game+ or bust for me, Breath of Fire 3 got popped back in quick...

Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 24, 2012, 12:26:10 AM
Disgaea 5 is also in development, Disgaea Dimension is a new series (http://www.siliconera.com/2012/10/23/disgaea-5-is-also-in-development-disgaea-dimension-is-a-new-series/) -- Source: Siliconera
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Alisha on October 24, 2012, 12:42:50 AM
the problem for me is ive never been a fan of the D1 protags.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Klyde Chroma on October 24, 2012, 05:14:18 PM
the problem for me is ive never been a fan of the D1 protags.

I completely get that actually.... I freakin' loved Disgaea, and had such expectations for D2.... couldn't get into it at all though on account of really not enjoying the cast what-so-ever.... Funny how pertinent that seems to these games in regard to how much I enjoy em.... I also was rarely impressed with any cast for the "Tales" franchise but loved all those....
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Alisha on October 25, 2012, 12:10:28 AM
well i really liked adell /rozalyn. i skipped D3 but liked the D4 cast before i had to return the game due to black screens of death. and they had no more copies so i had to get something else.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on October 27, 2012, 05:01:39 PM
Weird. I thought the original classes from D1 would appear, but they're replaced with the most recent ones.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 31, 2012, 06:29:08 PM
Updated the OP. Next report according to Gematsu is going to be about the reveal of a new character.

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Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: ZeronHitaro on October 31, 2012, 07:26:01 PM
Hmm; spindly hair antennae, a flat-ish body structure, floofy sleeves...calling it.

Laharl and Flonne's love child from an alternative future where things go to hell (ha ha). D2's plot is going to be Laharl trying to prevent it from coming to pass while adamantly denying the kid is his.

Either that or a younger-sister-I-never-knew about with Japan's infamous love of Brother-Sister love plots with her competing against Flonne.

What's amusing is since this is the Disgaea-verse I can be completely serious with those guesses.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: ZeronHitaro on November 01, 2012, 10:06:56 PM
Quote from: News Article
You can see her silhouette in the screens linked below and apparently she refers to Laharl as 'big brother.'

...*facepalm* Did I seriously call this?
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Monsoon on November 01, 2012, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: News Article
You can see her silhouette in the screens linked below and apparently she refers to Laharl as 'big brother.'

...*facepalm* Did I seriously call this?
(http://storage.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/disgaead2_ss14_thumb.jpg)You motherfucking sorcerer.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 17, 2012, 11:11:32 AM
Name Disgaea D2's new weapons (http://gematsu.com/2012/11/name-disgaea-d2s-new-weapons) -- Source: Gematsu

(http://i47.tinypic.com/1osoev.png)(http://i45.tinypic.com/30dglz8.png)(http://i47.tinypic.com/16gaffd.png)
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 19, 2012, 10:03:46 PM
Bumping for Onii-chan and stuff.

Meet Laharl's Sister, The Overlord wannabe in Disgaea Dimension 2 (http://www.siliconera.com/2012/12/19/meet-laharls-sister-the-overlord-wannabe-in-disgaea-dimension-2/) -- Source: Siliconera

(http://i48.tinypic.com/1tk5d5.png)

"Sicily, Laharl's younger sister. She left Heaven and landed in the Netherworld to become a demon. Not just any demon, Sicily wants to overthrow Laharl and become the Overlord of the Netherworld!"
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Klyde Chroma on December 20, 2012, 03:51:21 PM
I don't know how I feel about this sister business....
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 28, 2012, 03:25:30 AM
Disgaea D2 Debut Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkqtmv8JZYY)

I swear all of this games look the same to me...
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Klyde Chroma on December 28, 2012, 03:55:06 PM
Disgaea D2 Debut Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkqtmv8JZYY)

I swear all of this games look the same to me...

Visual progression of these games is never profound.... I think visually you either gotta appreciate the evolution of hand drawn sprites... or just accept that the "meat and potatos" of these games have very little to do with being graphically  amazing.

Now, all I have to say is this.... if we find out that the red haired etna-looking dude is in any way related to etna, I'm gonna be pissed... laharl's sister I suppose I can handle... it was bound to happen.... but next thing you know there is etna's brother.... then two years from now we are playing D3 with laharl's sister and etna's brother as MC's with a (not so clever) gender reversal mirror of the former heroes....
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: ZeronHitaro on December 29, 2012, 08:29:23 AM
Etna's brother was already done. They called him Adell. ;-P

I jest on the claim; but technically if you look at their designs they pretty much look like they were taken from a similar genetic stock.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Klyde Chroma on December 30, 2012, 01:48:25 PM
Etna's brother was already done. They called him Adell. ;-P

I jest on the claim; but technically if you look at their designs they pretty much look like they were taken from a similar genetic stock.

Agreed... but the thing of it is, once you get past the visual similarity, there is no correlation between Etna and Adell.... they don't have similar roles, dispositions, attitudes, et cetera..... Now with Laharl's sister being present, it is quite possible that a new role has opened up so to speak... that is, filling the shoes of Laharl's sister's vassals to ensure there is characters to reinforce her megalomaniac-like personality (which I'm sure she will be sporting, as a subservient sister who followed Laharl's every order wouldn't add much to the narrative).... and that is what scares me about that red-haired fellow.... he looks to me to be dressed to fit the role of a good/bad-guy protector type.... a shoe in victory for a supporting cast member should the new megalomaniac-sister be taking center stage in the future..... thus if they do in fact make him related to Etna in any way beyond a spiritual sense (fulfilling the same role....) I will puke...... It is my hopes that he just some new villain with a strikingly-etna-like palette.

I know I am reading too much into this.... way too early to make such predictions.... and predicting I am not.... I am simply worried that my favorite franchise (for its very entertaining original narrative) is slipping into the realm of predictable cliche' regurgitated crap... As I feared it had been over the last 2 installments (not that they were bad, or that I didn't enjoy them)......
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Klyde Chroma on January 11, 2013, 12:02:51 PM
A telling update here as to what we can expect with the plot...

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/11/celestial-flowers-are-taking-over-the-netherworld-in-disgaea-dimension-2/

It doesn't sound as bad as I expected.... This is a tough call.... how entertaining this is (or conversely, how predictable and recycled it feels) really will all depend on the quality and execution of the narrative for me. But at least now I don't feel quite as discouraged as I did when I heard about that whole "sister" tidbit.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 11, 2013, 01:08:24 PM
Personally I think the writing bottomed out in D4; so NIS really has no where to go but up. The plot's foundation for this story is okay for a Disgaea tale; even if there's a plot hole sticking out already. The 'King Krichevskoy' faction, I'm pretty sure, was the group of demons that harangued Laharl all the way up to the midpoint in D1 before finally acknowledging him as Overlord and helping him kick the crap out of  the Lv 1200 extra-dimensional invader.

That half of the plot for DD2 feels a lot like "Oh no no no! That totally never happened! We're not re-using the same thing over again to save time on the writing process! :3 "

The other half...eh, we'll see. D4 pretty much proved that when they want to NIS can lose all sense of subtlety and devolve into the utter low blow 'Why does God want a starship?' moments in fictional writing. Hopefully it'll be less that and more 'Vulcanus' level antagonist writing.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 17, 2013, 07:02:40 PM
Meet... Laharl-Chan, Queen(?) of The Netherworld (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/16/meet-laharl-chan-queen-of-the-netherworld/) -- Source: Siliconera

(http://i50.tinypic.com/20fqk8z.png)
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 17, 2013, 07:19:27 PM
You know, I can actually 'understand' gender bends. Sometimes a character really does look cute or otherwise fascinating if you suddenly flop the X and Ys around. Sometimes a character contains personality traits that would be either shocking or out of the ordinary if their gender were reserves; leading to a dialog regarding the perception of double standards and gender roles in society.

This...is kinda garbage on all fronts. Lazy design and it's pointless on this particular character. Overly aggressive tsunderes are already the default female personality type in lazy Japanese writing 101. Laharl's already over his 'issues' with buxom females anyway so it's not going to develop him either. Personally I'd say this is pretty much the red, flashing, neon lights lit up over the 'We're out of ideas!' sign.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 19, 2013, 04:26:26 PM
I can't believe it!!! They are actually doing something that seems really cool  and exciting.... at least  to me..... then again maybe its just because I've already spent so much time in item worlds, the prospect of grinding in a different environment seems awesome.... whatever the case may be, I am stoked for this development!

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/02/19/disgaeas-item-world-evolved-to-the-item-sea-in-disgaea-dimension-2/
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Annubis on February 19, 2013, 04:41:08 PM
Quote
Nippon Ichi also confirmed Asagi will be in Disgaea Dimension 2

Come on Nippon Ichi, make her goddamn game already. It's seriously sad to see her get shelved in every game =(
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Kevadu on February 19, 2013, 05:28:03 PM
Quote
Nippon Ichi also confirmed Asagi will be in Disgaea Dimension 2

Come on Nippon Ichi, make her goddamn game already. It's seriously sad to see her get shelved in every game =(

That's the joke, dood.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 21, 2013, 11:56:29 AM
Read over the article a few times just to be sure but...I wasn't told any difference. Item World, Item Sea...sounds like the same thing only with a name change. Need more information.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 21, 2013, 02:18:57 PM
Read over the article a few times just to be sure but...I wasn't told any difference. Item World, Item Sea...sounds like the same thing only with a name change. Need more information.

don't dash my dreams!! there is gonna be water!! THERE IS GOING TO BE LANDMASSES!!! There is going to be INTERESTING TERRAIN!!!!!!..... its gonna be different.... its gotta be.... cause if it isn't you can bet Klyde's ship WILL not be sailing those open seas, no sir!
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 21, 2013, 03:11:28 PM
Disgaea D2 second trailer, Laharl version (http://gematsu.com/2013/02/disgaea-d2-second-trailer-laharl-version) -- Source: Gematsu
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 21, 2013, 05:16:43 PM
Disgaea D2 second trailer, Laharl version (http://gematsu.com/2013/02/disgaea-d2-second-trailer-laharl-version) -- Source: Gematsu

oooooooo I hope they make the classic laharl outfit bonus DLC or something when they localize this!!! Plus I didn't see anything that looked like the old item world! I really am getting excited.....

.....I can't wait to see what the LE for this one contains!! I hope we get more little figurines.... gee golly disgaea makes me happy...
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Kevadu on February 21, 2013, 10:58:02 PM
It's kind of a no-brainer, but US release confirmed (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/22/introducing-three-new-playstation-3-exclusive-jrpgs).

Yes I'm using the same link in two different posts, so sue me ;)

Oh yeah, The Guided Fate Paradox too.  That might be interesting.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Cyril on February 21, 2013, 11:01:06 PM
It's kind of a no-brainer, but US release confirmed (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/22/introducing-three-new-playstation-3-exclusive-jrpgs).

Yes I'm using the same link in two different posts, so sue me ;)

Oh yeah, The Guided Fate Paradox too.  That might be interesting.

Thanks for the links - in both threads.

I'm very pleased about Guided Fate paradox, since it's basically ZHP 2.  ZHP didn't get nearly enough love.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Monsoon on February 22, 2013, 10:39:33 AM
Well, looks like $120 to $180 of my annual budget is going towards some new NISA titles....
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: TiamatNM on February 22, 2013, 12:56:23 PM
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Nippon Ichi also confirmed Asagi will be in Disgaea Dimension 2

Come on Nippon Ichi, make her goddamn game already. It's seriously sad to see her get shelved in every game =(

That's the joke, dood.

Too bad it has never been funny
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 22, 2013, 03:02:00 PM
Wow.... its a good day to be a fan of NISA localizations! God of Fate has me excited as well... Now just show me the LE's so I can open my wallet.... I am such a sucker for NISA bonus junk.... can't wait for my hyperdimension lunch pale in a few weeks :) LoL
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: DrGonzo on February 23, 2013, 12:51:39 AM
This makes me want to buy the rest of the disgaea games on PSP even though I know I won't have time to complete all of them fully for a short while.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 24, 2013, 02:56:22 PM
God of Fate pretty much had me at 'spiritual successor to ZHP'.

D2 I'm starting to lean on the 'buy' it side of the fence. I really, really don't want to play a Disgaea-style game on a non-portable console these days. But seeing the new custom classes tempts the SRPG deprived me this generation. Seriously where did this genre go? XP
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Lard on June 13, 2013, 10:12:05 AM
Here's a pretty lengthy preview for Guided Fate.

Looks interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGcTTsSkJ60&sns=em
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 14, 2013, 08:27:55 PM
Cool, a Disgaea game where I get to run around in the middle of winter getting attacked by mutants, wearing nothing but high heels and a skirt suit!
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2" for PS3, 2013
Post by: Klyde Chroma on June 29, 2013, 04:11:05 PM
Thank goodness the "name that weapon" contest has ended....

I don't care about winning much of anything, though for some strange reason I became OBSESSED with that weapon contest for the last week. Every moment online I spent crafting names for submission.... I got to the point where I started submitting entries under different names and e-mail addresses in case they started to think I was looney for submitting (literally) hundreds of names.

So if anyone here subscribes to the prinny bomb newsletter look for the name "Klyde Chroma" in the winners my friends because it WILL BE SO!!! Mwahahahahaa.... also look for the name "Zach Dende" and "Trynn Ark" just in case.....

NOTE: I don't actually think I am gonna win but I feel the false bravado (coupled with the unreasonable volume of my efforts) somehow increases my chances.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Kevadu on July 10, 2013, 02:20:13 AM
Crazy limited edition (http://store.nisamerica.com/Exclusives/Disgaea-D2-A-Brighter-Darkness-Limited-Edition-plus-Guide).

Am I the only one getting burned out on Disgaea?  I used to enjoy the series, but now I just look at it and think, wow another game for my backlog.  They just take too long and they're all kind of the same...might just pas on this one.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Cyril on July 10, 2013, 02:30:51 AM
Yeah, I'm a bit burned out as well.  It's not that I don't enjoy it, it's just that I can only spend a few hundred hours with a game every few years.  They're bad, per se, just that I've spent so much time with them that I don't really feel like spending more.

Also, there's some crazy content in that special edition for its price.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 10, 2013, 02:41:55 AM
I CAN'T BELIEVE NONE OF MY NAMES WON!!!!!

The frustration can't be described...

I submit 100's of names... no... it was definately 4 digits worth...

And the winners suck by the way.... In fact, even if they were decent names, my seething malice would prevent me from even noticing at this point.

SCREW YOU NIPPON ICHI!!! SCREW YOU!!!.... now take my money and give me that slick LE please :)
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Ranadiel on July 10, 2013, 07:14:41 AM
Crazy limited edition (http://store.nisamerica.com/Exclusives/Disgaea-D2-A-Brighter-Darkness-Limited-Edition-plus-Guide).

Am I the only one getting burned out on Disgaea?  I used to enjoy the series, but now I just look at it and think, wow another game for my backlog.  They just take too long and they're all kind of the same...might just pas on this one.
I admit to being in a similar situation. I haven't even played Disgaea 4 yet because the series doen't interest me that yet.....yet I still manage to be interested enough to get all the special editions. x_x
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 11, 2013, 03:10:31 PM
I'm torn on which LE to get. I haven't looked at a strategy guide outside of gamefaqs since the PSX era and don't know what to expect really. Would grabbing the big LE with the guide prove useful for post game content? I wouldn't crack it open (the guide) until I hit post game for fear of spoilers but I do feel having a guide for this sort of title might be worth it.

Any opinions on guides from folks who are not sick of Disgaea? Hell, with dwindling interest noted, I'd appreciate the offered perspectives of those who aren't terribly stoked about the game as well.

I just really don't know what published guides even cover and I heard some real lousy feedback about the bradygames guide for disgaea 4 being horribly incomplete.



Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Cyril on July 11, 2013, 03:35:29 PM
The previous Disgaea strategy guides have been pretty damn good , they're not just the average Prima Guide(and that original Phantom Brave one was flat out amazing), but I'm not sure if there will be enough changes in the formula to warrant a purchase.  I picked up the SE version without the guide and will probably just use the GameFAQs message boards if I'm looking for tips.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 11, 2013, 04:17:54 PM
The previous Disgaea strategy guides have been pretty damn good , they're not just the average Prima Guide(and that original Phantom Brave one was flat out amazing), but I'm not sure if there will be enough changes in the formula to warrant a purchase.  I picked up the SE version without the guide and will probably just use the GameFAQs message boards if I'm looking for tips.

Thanks for the tip! I just saw that the stock for the LE with the strategy guide is already below 50 percent so your prudent response is mondo-appreciated :)
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: ZeronHitaro on July 11, 2013, 05:54:03 PM
Not really a fan of the current bundle selections. Where's the normal game + guide option without the extra crap? :-\ Heck you can't eve pre-order the guide by itself.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 12, 2013, 04:20:37 PM
Not really a fan of the current bundle selections. Where's the normal game + guide option without the extra crap? :-\ Heck you can't eve pre-order the guide by itself.

Come on... you can't deny the cuteness of those Etna and Flonne figurines!

But truthfully, I bet if you just got an LE with the guide and e-bayed the rest of the stuff you'd end up breaking even. Think of it like doing a little extra legwork to get the game and guide for free :)
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Kevadu on July 13, 2013, 02:34:30 PM
Meanwhile it was just announced that Disgaea 4 is getting a Vita port.  I guess I'll get that and wait for the inevitable Vita port of DD2 ;)

Somehow these games just work better on a portable for me.  Maybe it's just the fact that even if I'm in the middle of an item world crawl I can always just put the system to sleep and pick it up later.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: ZeronHitaro on July 13, 2013, 05:57:52 PM
Meanwhile it was just announced that Disgaea 4 is getting a Vita port.  I guess I'll get that and wait for the inevitable Vita port of DD2 ;)

Now that I was waiting for. Wanted to try the new D4 classes but didn't want to pay for the DLC. Perfect solution. XD

Although considering NISA's delay history DD2 will be more likely to hit the Vita-2 than the current gen. XP
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 16, 2013, 02:55:47 PM
Just when you guys decided you've had enough of Disgaea...

DISGAEA 5 GOES INTO EARLY PRODUCTIONS!!!

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/15/disgaea-5-is-in-pre-production-fans-vote-for-their-favorite-nis-games/

Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Monsoon on July 16, 2013, 08:02:25 PM
I'm pumped for the Disgaea 4 Vita port.  By the time we get it (USA) I'll have a Vita, and I've barely touched the Disgaea 4 postgame.  Vita should have new content, some of the DLC built-in, and be on the sexiest small screen available.  I'm 100% okay with this. 
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Ranadiel on July 17, 2013, 06:32:18 AM
Just when you guys decided you've had enough of Disgaea...

DISGAEA 5 GOES INTO EARLY PRODUCTIONS!!!

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/15/disgaea-5-is-in-pre-production-fans-vote-for-their-favorite-nis-games/



.....Seeing the list of NIS games really makes me question why I keep buying them since the only one that I really  really liked is Disgaea and after that a lot of the novelty really wore off. I guess brand loyalty or something?
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Cyril on July 17, 2013, 04:10:14 PM
I'm actually sadder Soul Nomad isn't higher.  But still, I suppose it would never beat Disgaea.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Der Jermeister on July 20, 2013, 10:19:18 PM
I'm glad I held out on Disgaea 4 PS3, given the announcement of the PSV port, and I do intend to get a Vita in the near future.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Aurian on July 21, 2013, 01:31:35 PM
Meanwhile it was just announced that Disgaea 4 is getting a Vita port. 

My husband just did a happy dance....
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on September 30, 2013, 05:46:26 PM
While personally I am huge Disgaea fan, I'm really surprised to see this get such praise from IGN.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/30/disgaea-d2-review

If I wasn't excited before I suuuuure am now!
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: TiamatNM on October 08, 2013, 07:54:47 PM
This got a pretty negative review here but I'm enjoying it just fine :D

I got more laughs out of the first chapter than the entirety of Disgaea 4.  So glad to have the original trio back.  New apprentice system is great.  "Mounting" doesn't seem terribly useful but there's no turn limit like magicchange so that's cool.  The first mounted prinny skill is the best
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on October 08, 2013, 07:58:10 PM
This got a pretty negative review here but I'm enjoying it just fine :D

I got more laughs out of the first chapter than the entirety of Disgaea 4.  So glad to have the original trio back.  New apprentice system is great.  "Mounting" doesn't seem terribly useful but there's no turn limit like magicchange so that's cool.  The first mounted prinny skill is the best

I am DYING to play this!!!.... but I have to polish off kingdom hearts first in order to devote myself to it properly.

Without even playing it though, I can see where a disgaea game can either leave a stellar impression or a pitiful one. Nippon Ichi clearly caters to the same crowd time and again with Disgaea (or at least they try to). That is giving some fans exactly what they want, while leaving others... well.. wanting. And they certainly have not been too concerned with widening the appeal of the franchise to a broader demographic. I love seeing progressive and inventive measures being taken with games but when it comes to disgaea I will gladly take more of the same.


Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Monsoon on October 08, 2013, 10:01:32 PM
PSN update currently downloading....

Look, I'm a Disgaea fanboy, so I'll probably love this game regardless of its faults.  I will enjoy the **** out of the main story, do maybe 2% of the postgame content, and then move on.  Worth it. 
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: TiamatNM on October 08, 2013, 11:49:05 PM
I think you guys will like the new apprentice system.  You can freely swap masters and apprentices around so it's very easy to learn moves from other characters in your party.  It also affects the new friendship system which seems neat. 

The general gameplay of course is prettymuch just like all the others but NIS is wary of changing things too much in their main series as it might alienate fans.  If you want something more "different" there's always Guided Fate Paradox coming out next month :)
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: ZeronHitaro on October 09, 2013, 12:41:00 AM
Just picked this up. Shame the guide DLC seems to be bugged right now and no one's Raspberyl codes are working. This game totally is more grind heavy though. Picked up two early monsters and damn do they blow chunks without good items. Think I spent most of tonight grinding just for my party to have the 3K (cost) armor and the 3K weapons; and I haven't gone past 1-7 yet. Also noticing the shops require a lot more purchasing then normal to rank up too.

But damn...the nostalgia factor in the game. The music, the characters, and even that right out the gate secret appears to be intact. No final access yet but I'm curious what's in that little corner now.

Every other thing is just like a massive improvement on the formula and almost a dream come true.

Can see the numbers for Hospital rewards without needing a walkthrough? Awesome.
Can change character color on all models without needing to late game grind or spend a ton of mana? Awesome.

And never mind what the review says. Mounting Monsters is fun and damn useful. Best implementation of critters in the entire series and I actually have motivation to keep them around besides for lawls.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on October 09, 2013, 04:53:45 PM
ohhhhhh boy.... My collectors edition just came in the mail and I'm still not through with Kingdom Hearts. I am loving Kingdom Hearts ATM (currently at hollow bastion) but Disgaea is my FAVORITE franchise.

This is reeeeealllly gonna require some discipline folks...

And no. There is no playing both at once. If I pop Disgaea in I will never see Kingdom Hearts again. The real tragedy would be that I would enjoy Disgaea far less with KH weighing on my mind.

The only way out is through...
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: TiamatNM on October 09, 2013, 07:09:13 PM
I love how painless it is to set the enemy strength now.  You don't even need approval.  Cheat shop for life
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on October 09, 2013, 07:09:51 PM
ohhhhhh boy.... My collectors edition just came in the mail and I'm still not through with Kingdom Hearts. I am loving Kingdom Hearts ATM (currently at hollow bastion) but Disgaea is my FAVORITE franchise.

This is reeeeealllly gonna require some discipline folks...

And no. There is no playing both at once. If I pop Disgaea in I will never see Kingdom Hearts again. The real tragedy would be that I would enjoy Disgaea far less with KH weighing on my mind.

The only way out is through...
By any chance, are you looking to get the next Pokémon game in three days? That'd be much worse.

This is why I don't stick with two different video game companies.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on October 09, 2013, 08:52:29 PM
ohhhhhh boy.... My collectors edition just came in the mail and I'm still not through with Kingdom Hearts. I am loving Kingdom Hearts ATM (currently at hollow bastion) but Disgaea is my FAVORITE franchise.

This is reeeeealllly gonna require some discipline folks...

And no. There is no playing both at once. If I pop Disgaea in I will never see Kingdom Hearts again. The real tragedy would be that I would enjoy Disgaea far less with KH weighing on my mind.

The only way out is through...
By any chance, are you looking to get the next Pokémon game in three days? That'd be much worse.

This is why I don't stick with two different video game companies.

Nah, earlier this year I finally discovered that no matter how great a game is I simply can't enjoy handheld consoles. Not with amount of home-console-crappola I've accumulated over the years. One must prioritize I suppose..
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on October 14, 2013, 02:54:50 PM
Sorry to double post, but I can't contain myself.

After beating Kingdom Hearts 1.5 last night I got to crack open my D2 LE and get to it!

First impressions are super-positive. The dub is spectacular, the game mechanics feel much more coherent and cohesive than in recent Disgaea installments and character creation completely rocks in this title. I am particularly fond of the ability to now select alternate color schemes for characters.

I really can't imagine a Disgaea fan wanting more. I may only have a few hours with it thus far but this game screams quality from the door IMO.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Cyril on October 14, 2013, 06:15:44 PM
I haven't beaten the game yet, but I don't really think it does justice to the original Disgaea.  I feel like Laharl has regressed as a character, which is fine when he's just a cameo because it's for fun, but he's the protagonist again and it's like most of his Disgaea 1 development is out the window.  He's more of a full of tsundere now.  I suppose his affection and willingness to listen to Flonne's ideas is supposed to represent his development compared to Disgaea 1, but still.  I'm a bit disappointed.

It also seems more pure humor.  Disgaea 1, like most of the early NIS games, balanced humor and serious, sad moments really well.  The whole Red Moon Chapter and the Bad Ending are not things I'll forget. D2 is basically all comedy, all the time.  

On the other hand, the gameplay system is far and away the best.  My one complaint is that Clerics don't really get a ton of experience through healing anymore (much like Disgaea 1) so you're back to forcing them to physical attack or group attack to level up.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on October 15, 2013, 05:48:28 PM


On the other hand, the gameplay system is far and away the best.  My one complaint is that Clerics don't really get a ton of experience through healing anymore (much like Disgaea 1) so you're back to forcing them to physical attack or group attack to level up.

So ummm... game mechanics aside... how do you feel about the new "male" clerics? I don't mind the fem' vibe they got going on but those voices... I named one "Klyde" because I felt physically they sort of resembled me but every time I hear "him" speak I find it disturbing.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Cyril on October 15, 2013, 09:36:08 PM
I like it better than the old male Clerics. If you read their description in the data area it makes fun of the fact that they're so feminine.

Than again, I'm extremely partial to the original female cleric color and design and will probably be using it throughout the game.  I can't imagine using anything else as a healer in Disgaea.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: ZeronHitaro on October 17, 2013, 03:11:47 AM
Just finished this, this evening. Overall I think I enjoyed it but there's that nagging feeling of...'lack' the game left behind. After thinking about it for a while I found the words to register my complaint.

Disgaea D2 is too much "DLC" and less "Full Game" in regards to the plot.

Really if you take out the horridly written padding (and chop out Sicily because honestly she adds nothing to the story*) you're really left with about 2-3 hours of plot/gameplay tops. Literally making D2 an over-stuffed DLC to the original Disgaea.

*End Game Tangent-
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By comparison the Etna/Xenolith plot had far better potential but was criminally underused and developed far too late/quickly.

The game would've been much better if Sicily were deleted and her time used to focus on E/X's past, what Etna's powers are exactly,
why she has them, if Laharl's father were aware of them, ect.

Said filler just makes it worse because the story pacing becomes as follows.

Hero: Oh, I need to save the world...but I gotta go to the bathroom first. Let me get out of my chair.
*Fight a ton of monsters*
Hero: Alright, now I can open the door.
*Fight a ton of monsters*
Hero: Now I can take two steps into the hallway.
*Fight a ton of monsters*
Ect, ect, ect.

Too much loafing around just to get through the menial fillers. :-\ I know NISA's kinda infamous for that but this one really did nothing to pad down the sting.

I think I might've even been forgiving for that if Disgaea D2 doesn't make the biggest mistake in NISA history with the franchise.

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So after decades of stuffing Mid-Boss into virtually every NISA title, and making a Disgaea sequel where living up
to the 'legacy of his father' is a character-plot point...there's no Mid Boss anywhere in the game? At all?
Not even a Post-Game battle against him having somehow magically-hand-wavey been reincarnated in his
original body/strength in order for Laharl to have a battle to prove he actually [b]has[/b] surpassed his old man?

Laaaaaaaaaaaame. ~_~

Still a decent enough game though. Got me through almost all the way to Sims 3 Into the Future; and that'll last me until Paradox&Fate game.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Cyril on October 17, 2013, 04:57:07 AM
Yeah...I think I might pretend this game doesn't exist. There are a few ways they could have easily fixed it, too.
It's really strange, coming off Disgaea 4 too.  Disgaea 4 was clearly a step forward in most every direction, while DD2 is a step back in every direction except the battle system, which, as a SRPG, is arguably the most important part, but in the end most everything just feels pointless.  It doesn't even feel like fanservice.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on October 17, 2013, 04:31:57 PM
I am not nearly far enough in to judge the story yet (chapter 4) though I have found it bland thus far beyond the entertainment value of the recycled "Laharl, Etna Flonne" dynamic.

But like Cyril said, the battle system is spot on. The gameplay, amongst the other mechanical improvements, have been plenty enough for me to overlook any lack in regard to the plot.

I am particularly fond of some the simple yet pointless crap they tacked on in the dark assembly. Changing the MC at base along with the characters that follow, color palettes et cetera..... I also really like the "promotion" option for characters, which is a feature I had been hoping to see for quite awhile.

I am personally enjoying this a wee bit more than 4 simply because I felt 4 got too complex for its own good in some respects. I also feel the difficulty has been ramped up a bit with D2 which I really appreciate. I muscled my way through the plot in both 3 and 4 without ever really needing to tax my brain strategically.

I have to reserve my final judgement until I experience a bit more of the title though (obviously). I feel safe in concluding already however, your mileage and satisfaction from the game clearly comes down to what you play disgaea for. I'm in it for a grindy game with lots of character creation and strategy dominant battles. D2 is scratching the "itch" nicely :)
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: ZeronHitaro on October 17, 2013, 05:22:28 PM
Honestly I'm not even sure D2 satisfied me on that front either. Usually with Disgaea-type titles I'll wind up having done a reincarnation or two, leveled at least one omni-stat item, grinded the heck out of Hospital, ect.

D2? None of that. Due to the promotion system I pretty much ended the game with the same party of 8 I used from square one (sans a Chapter 7+ swap out of Sicily; trying to make her use a gun was a horrid idea). No Item Level grind, no reincarnation swaps, and the Hospital actually remained largely ungrinded. The 'strongest' Omni-stat item I ended with was a Sophia's Mirror. :-\

Maybe it's because I actually used 3 MCs this go (Laharl, Flonne, Fuka-DLC) which are typically over-powered in Disgaea games, but honestly the make-your-own units often felt just as strong, if not stronger.

Heck if anything, in hindsight, I think the Monsters actually now break the difficulty of the game. There were far too many maps where I just had a Mage hop on a Ghost and, as I call it, Orbitally Nuke everything in sight using Dimension Eater X with a Fight Mistress/Moth cleaning up everything else (despite her low SP count). Those skills are easily 2-3 times more powerful than anything anyone else can throw out and definitely turn tables in an instant.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: TiamatNM on October 19, 2013, 04:53:05 AM
I like this game waaaaaay better than 4.  I hated basically the entire cast in 4 cause they all had one joke each that they hammered into the ground like their life depended on it.  The story isn't very good but I didn't think it was horrible either, though it did feel more like an omake/extra story than a real sequel.  Very short at only 10 chapters.  The gameplay is easily the best in the series though imo, they really polished things out. 

ALSO PETTA EYE LASERS
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: ZeronHitaro on October 19, 2013, 05:12:31 AM
Something amusing for people to mull over. When I was playing through the section of story you get plot-progression in using Lady Laharl I had a thought.

Do you think the main Disgaea/D2 continuity would've been better if you gender swapped every character from the get go?

I mean think about it for a second. LL is actually 'less' whiney and tsundere in female form. Maybe it was just the translation but the character felt just the right mix of negative traits without taking it to the 12th extreme like Laharl usually does. Etna I think might be a bit more amusing in male form simply for the outfit and translating all the 'flat' jokes to fit for that as well. And Flonne...well...not sure honestly. I think she'd pretty much be the same both ways without gender really factoring in. Although if anything 'he' might be more of a cliche since superhero/ninja stuff is more male-oriented to begin with.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on October 21, 2013, 11:17:11 PM
Something amusing for people to mull over. When I was playing through the section of story you get plot-progression in using Lady Laharl I had a thought.

Do you think the main Disgaea/D2 continuity would've been better if you gender swapped every character from the get go?

I mean think about it for a second. LL is actually 'less' whiney and tsundere in female form. Maybe it was just the translation but the character felt just the right mix of negative traits without taking it to the 12th extreme like Laharl usually does. Etna I think might be a bit more amusing in male form simply for the outfit and translating all the 'flat' jokes to fit for that as well. And Flonne...well...not sure honestly. I think she'd pretty much be the same both ways without gender really factoring in. Although if anything 'he' might be more of a cliche since superhero/ninja stuff is more male-oriented to begin with.

I think they could have worked the gender-bender angle more to have made things more interesting for sure.... however something about fem-Laharl totally bothers me. I would have been pissed if I had to play as her the whole game.

On an unrelated note, NISA finally decided to send me my guide book that was supposed to come with the CE. Not bad... only 2 weeks late... I must say, it sure does have some pretty pictures :)
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: TiamatNM on October 22, 2013, 04:05:45 AM
finally got flonne to level 100 and man I really shoulda done that sooner.  flonnezilla is so funny looking now
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on October 22, 2013, 11:32:13 PM
http://nisamerica.com/index.php?nav=dlc&nav_id=disgaead2&region=0&sortby=date&sorttype=asc (http://nisamerica.com/index.php?nav=dlc&nav_id=disgaead2&region=0&sortby=date&sorttype=asc)

DLC Schedule for North America.

The first were release in October 1st: Fuka & Desco are paid DLC. Legacy Costume Pack (the main trio's Disgaea 4 looks) is free.

The next ones, released on November 5th, are Adell, Rozalin, and Liliel (from Guided Fate Paradox).
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 09, 2013, 05:09:40 PM
Ok, all I gotta say without becoming spoiler-ific is the final boss is FREAKIN' CHEAP!!

"Difficult spike" does not do it justice... I was over-powered to a point that enabled me to literally one hit everything in the final chapter yet could hardly touch the final boss. I like the fact that there is some challenge here but while the rest of the game had me thinking whilst grinding, this scenario has me STRICTLY grinding. I also feel like the final chapter's maps were rushed in contrast to the rest of the game.

All and all I loved D2 to be honest. In spite of its apparent faults, it struck the right chords with me. But I WILL NOT defend the nose dive the final chapter takes. The main campaign is coming to a close that feels very abrupt and "out of place" IMO. Maybe I will feel wee bit different once I actually beat the final boss and see the ending but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: ZeronHitaro on November 09, 2013, 06:42:36 PM
Odd. I wasn't that strong and I only had minimal trouble with the final boss. Were you trying to dive bomb him with multiple characters by any chance?

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You can't do that. His Evility allows him to steal stats, per character, for every step you walk in his AoE range.
So basically unless you're utilizing range or 1v1-ing (with a healer outside of stealing range) you're giving him huge
surges of power per turn. If you avoid proc'ing his Evility then he's rather soft for a final boss.
Title: Re: Nippon Ichi's Project: D "Disgaea D2"
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 09, 2013, 07:45:47 PM
Odd. I wasn't that strong and I only had minimal trouble with the final boss. Were you trying to dive bomb him with multiple characters by any chance?

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You can't do that. His Evility allows him to steal stats, per character, for every step you walk in his AoE range.
So basically unless you're utilizing range or 1v1-ing (with a healer outside of stealing range) you're giving him huge
surges of power per turn. If you avoid proc'ing his Evility then he's rather soft for a final boss.

Yes I quite aware of all that... I tried various strategies, including being cheap and lifting him each turn and still got dwarfed. My new strategy is reincarnate, re-grind my characters in the item world and eventually out-cheap-ify the bastard. If you can't beat the game, break the game right? LoL