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Title: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Daedalus on January 28, 2013, 11:50:28 AM
I'm trying to go back and play some of the RPGs that I have missed over time.  I recently grabbed a used PS2 and I am now waiting for Final Fantasy IX to show up in the mail.  With that said I plan on giving my impressions of FF IX as I play through it.  Does anybody have any tips to playing the game?  Is there anything that I should make sure I DO while playing?  Or am I fine just flying blind and playing however I want?
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Dice on January 28, 2013, 11:56:04 AM
There are a TON of missables in this game, not to sure how thorough you are ( a lot of these are superfluous "key items" though that don't do shit).

Best advice?  Buy extra weapons and max out skills before you move on to a new [stronger] weapon.  And do Choco-Hot-Cold.  Don't ask, just do it.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Daedalus on January 28, 2013, 12:12:01 PM
There are a TON of missables in this game, not to sure how thorough you are ( a lot of these are superfluous "key items" though that don't do shit).

Best advice?  Buy extra weapons and max out skills before you move on to a new [stronger] weapon.  And do Choco-Hot-Cold.  Don't ask, just do it.

Nice thanks!  I'm trying to decide whether to use a guide(the internet) as a reference or to just fly blind.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Dice on January 28, 2013, 12:25:59 PM
Oh.  One other thing.  Blind or not, be sure to steal at least three things from all bosses!!! DO IT.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Starmongoose on January 28, 2013, 12:28:22 PM
Final Fantasy IX, the only game where having a thief in your party is consistently worth it.

Ps. Keep us updated in the game journal.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Daedalus on January 28, 2013, 12:30:00 PM
Final Fantasy IX, the only game where having a thief in your party is consistently worth it.

Ps. Keep us updated in the game journal.

When you say "game journal", are you talking here in this thread?  Or is there a spot where I'm supposed to post this kind of thing?
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Blace on January 28, 2013, 01:31:09 PM
Final Fantasy IX, the only game where having a thief in your party is consistently worth it.

Ps. Keep us updated in the game journal.

When you say "game journal", are you talking here in this thread?  Or is there a spot where I'm supposed to post this kind of thing?

In the general discussion forum there is a thread titled "New Game Journal".
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Aeolus on January 28, 2013, 01:46:29 PM
Final Fantasy IX, the only game where having a thief in your party is consistently worth it.

Ps. Keep us updated in the game journal.

Not like you have any choice given that the main character is a thief.


As for missables, the game is very good at letting you know when you're standing over something by throwing up a balloon over your head with either a question mark or an exclamation mark in it (even though it may not always be important). Although generally speaking most missables aren't really that important to anything (although a few are like the Stellazaro coins).

Also for this style of playthrough I highly recommend against gunning for Excalibur II. You either have to speed run the hell out of the game or you have to wait forever and a day for the in game clock to wrap all the way around to less than 10 hours in the white time font.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Raze on January 28, 2013, 02:24:22 PM
Sometimes, actually a lot of times, you'll find yourself without a healer as people join and leave as part of the story so be sure you're stocked with potions.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Dice on January 28, 2013, 03:37:49 PM
Sometimes, actually a lot of times, you'll find yourself without a healer as people join and leave as part of the story so be sure you're stocked with potions.

I always kept a healer.  wtf, why isn't there anything better than a Hi Potion
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Taelus on January 28, 2013, 05:26:49 PM
Steal from everything, never sell anything, and use everyone.

Also, watch all the ATEs because they're like skits from a Tales game.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Dincrest on January 28, 2013, 05:48:13 PM
Just sit back and enjoy the ride.  I just went into the game blind and had a very enjoyable time.  It's not like other modern FFs with their arbitrarily complex systems and needless hoosefudge.  Clear your mind, forget about "I have to play it *this* way or else," and just let the game's charm grow on you.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Akanbe- on January 28, 2013, 07:26:01 PM
Also, watch all the ATEs because they're like skits from a Tales game.

Agreed, these were great.  All the advice in the thread is good stuff.

As far as missables go, it depends how OCD you are.  I personally would play it blind and enjoy the ride, but anyway you play you'll have fun I imagine.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Taelus on January 28, 2013, 07:33:06 PM
Yeah, play it blind. There are missables, but don't ruin the magic with a guide. If you're super OCD about those, you can play again :)

Plus, if you're going for 100%, you have to get to the final dungeon in 8 hours to get Excalibur II, which is... not easy.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Starmongoose on January 28, 2013, 07:39:24 PM
Isn't it 12 hours? 8 hours just sounds ridiculous. Cur scenes alone are about that long haha.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: MeshGearFox on January 28, 2013, 07:41:20 PM
Don't grind to learn skills from the weapons -- just stockpile new ones as they come up and don't switch out till you've learned the skills from your new weapons.

Also you can fuse old weapons so basically never sell anything.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Alisha on January 28, 2013, 08:08:39 PM
Final Fantasy IX, the only game where having a thief in your party is consistently worth it.

Ps. Keep us updated in the game journal.
i personally liked shir as a thief more. phantasy star 2 is the only game i recall where a thief can steal from shops.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Taelus on January 28, 2013, 08:09:15 PM
Isn't it 12 hours? 8 hours just sounds ridiculous. Cur scenes alone are about that long haha.

I'm not sure, I always just opened the disc tray to skip them lmao.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Ramza on January 28, 2013, 08:14:15 PM
Isn't it 12 hours? 8 hours just sounds ridiculous. Cur scenes alone are about that long haha.

I'm not sure, I always just opened the disc tray to skip them lmao.

Yeah I think it's 12.

And virtually every guide says you have to skip cut scenes to make it, so playing PSOne Classics version is hardly an option.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 28, 2013, 08:14:33 PM
It is 12 hours to get the Excalibur II in Memoria.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Blace on January 28, 2013, 09:20:37 PM
Isn't it 12 hours? 8 hours just sounds ridiculous. Cur scenes alone are about that long haha.

I'm not sure, I always just opened the disc tray to skip them lmao.

lmao my friends and I found that trick out and abused it too haha. It was actually by mistake too.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Taelus on January 28, 2013, 09:21:39 PM
There's a fantastic guide on GameFAQS for how to grab all the missables AND get Excalibur II in time. I've done it twice, and I can attest to its efficacy.

Also having Excalibur II means you can show off to all of your friends what an FFIX boss you are.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Daedalus on January 28, 2013, 11:20:12 PM
Thank you for all the tips! I'm going to play blind, using the advice you guys gave. Probably do a few "new game journals", for people to hear a fresh take on the game.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Dice on January 28, 2013, 11:28:51 PM
There's a fantastic guide on GameFAQS for how to grab all the missables AND get Excalibur II in time. I've done it twice, and I can attest to its efficacy.

Also having Excalibur II means you can show off to all of your friends what an FFIX boss you are.

If my time wasn't so tight, I'd love to take that challenge (wait, that's silly, obviously going for a speed run implies it'll be quick so nothingshouldreallystopmeindoingthat....).  But then I'd miss the charm of the storyline.  I'm so sad ATE's haven't come back, they really fleshed out the game better than a lot of the others in the series and didn't need voice acting to do it.  You compared it to Tales skits, but these one showed a whole scene (well; there's only 75 ATEs and they unfortunately end abrubtly after the last town in the game a credit to Tales where they do between 200-400 per title...I'm just wondering which style is better though).

Fuck I'd kill for an HD version of this game
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Taelus on January 29, 2013, 12:54:21 AM
I like both styles, but if ATE's were POSSIBLE to be done in that quantity, I wouldn't complain. :D
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Lard on January 29, 2013, 08:14:11 AM
Jealous you're playing this for the first time.

I've played this through twice. It's my favourite PS1 FF.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: PaleRobbie on January 29, 2013, 08:56:57 AM
I think I've played the opening ten hours of FF9 six or seven times.  The beginning of this game is exactly what I want from my RPGs: high adventure, great characters, cool scenarios, and a sense of depth to the narrative.  Unfortunately, I think the game really meanders around at times.  Not going into specifics, but there are parts of the game that I can't even remember because they felt like filler, and it wouldn't be a FF if the story didn't completely fly off the rails in the last few hours (though Stephen tends to disagree with me here).  It's still an awesome game, however, and even with a few disposable characters, FF9 has perhaps the most lovable cast of misfits this side of 6. 
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Daedalus on January 29, 2013, 09:41:52 AM
I think I've played the opening ten hours of FF9 six or seven times.  The beginning of this game is exactly what I want from my RPGs: high adventure, great characters, cool scenarios, and a sense of depth to the narrative.  Unfortunately, I think the game really meanders around at times.  Not going into specifics, but there are parts of the game that I can't even remember because they felt like filler, and it wouldn't be a FF if the story didn't completely fly off the rails in the last few hours (though Stephen tends to disagree with me here).  It's still an awesome game, however, and even with a few disposable characters, FF9 has perhaps the most lovable cast of misfits this side of 6. 

I've come to expect JRPG's to get completely ridiculous at the end.  I wonder why it consistently happens.  Some sort of syndrome where the designer thinks they need to "Go Big or Go Home".  It's kind of annoying.  Especially after a long rpg that has taken great care with its plot lines.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Aeolus on January 29, 2013, 02:42:02 PM
I think I've played the opening ten hours of FF9 six or seven times.  The beginning of this game is exactly what I want from my RPGs: high adventure, great characters, cool scenarios, and a sense of depth to the narrative.  Unfortunately, I think the game really meanders around at times.  Not going into specifics, but there are parts of the game that I can't even remember because they felt like filler, and it wouldn't be a FF if the story didn't completely fly off the rails in the last few hours (though Stephen tends to disagree with me here).  It's still an awesome game, however, and even with a few disposable characters, FF9 has perhaps the most lovable cast of misfits this side of 6. 

I've come to expect JRPG's to get completely ridiculous at the end.  I wonder why it consistently happens.  Some sort of syndrome where the designer thinks they need to "Go Big or Go Home".  It's kind of annoying.  Especially after a long rpg that has taken great care with its plot lines.

Powercreep mostly. You aren't some world savoir, walking demi-fiend/god, or some other kind of legendary hero if the only thing you fight are bandits or the occasional stray woodland creature.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: neogalahad on February 03, 2013, 10:30:22 AM
You can abuse the hell out of the combat system on this game with all the different variants of skills to be . I beat the game with everyone dead except zidane in berserk with auto revive so I want even holding the controller. Great game though, sakaguchi really nailed the fantasy in this game
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: itzknickknac on February 08, 2013, 02:53:02 AM
Thank you for all the tips! I'm going to play blind, using the advice you guys gave. Probably do a few "new game journals", for people to hear a fresh take on the game.

Please do, it'd be great to discuss your experience. FFIX is my favorite FF of all time! Definitely let me know what you think of the beginning! It's my FAVORITE part of the game.

My suggestions are (and I know you've heard them at least once):
Steal often. (but definitely steal at least 3 items from bosses)
Take your time. (Your first FFIX experience > Excalibur II)
Watch ATE's/cutscenes/etc. Idk who wouldn't but still.
Important: Donate your money if someone needs it, money isn't an issue in this game. You'll know what I mean as you play, so don't feel too stressed about this suggestion.

Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Daedalus on February 08, 2013, 11:26:35 AM
Thank you for all the tips! I'm going to play blind, using the advice you guys gave. Probably do a few "new game journals", for people to hear a fresh take on the game.

Please do, it'd be great to discuss your experience. FFIX is my favorite FF of all time! Definitely let me know what you think of the beginning! It's my FAVORITE part of the game.

My suggestions are (and I know you've heard them at least once):
Steal often. (but definitely steal at least 3 items from bosses)
Take your time. (Your first FFIX experience > Excalibur II)
Watch ATE's/cutscenes/etc. Idk who wouldn't but still.
Important: Donate your money if someone needs it, money isn't an issue in this game. You'll know what I mean as you play, so don't feel too stressed about this suggestion.



First journal posted.  17 hours in.  If you have any questions then ask away!
http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=9193.4470
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Daedalus on February 12, 2013, 10:31:46 AM
I'm stupid addicted to Zorn and Thorns theme "Jesters of the Moon".
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: insertnamehere on February 13, 2013, 03:08:21 PM
I remembered something you may want to check out after FF9 if you haven't.
Legend of Dragoon is a pretty divisive game that I grew up playing, and almost always felt like both of these games had settings that felt too generically medieval for my tastes but eventually grew to like both a lot.
The only problem I ever had with it was that pulling off special attacks can be stupidly difficult.
It wasn't extremely original, but I think it is about on par with FF9 in that way.
And sadly, both games are unfinished for me because of corrupted memory.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Blace on February 13, 2013, 03:15:09 PM
I absolutely loved Legend of Dragoon. I thought it was too harshly criticized by critics back in the day and I still think that. Luckily Neal liked it too haha.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Dice on February 13, 2013, 03:21:04 PM
I absolutely loved Legend of Dragoon. I thought it was too harshly criticized by critics back in the day and I still think that. Luckily Neal liked it too haha.

I love Neal for that.  If it's niche, chances are he's played it and loved it.  Everyone needs that type of fan to counter the popular/overtalked about opinion.  I count on Neal as a "hidden gem" finder at times.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Taelus on February 13, 2013, 05:13:14 PM
I absolutely loved Legend of Dragoon. I thought it was too harshly criticized by critics back in the day and I still think that. Luckily Neal liked it too haha.

I love Neal for that.  If it's niche, chances are he's played it and loved it.  Everyone needs that type of fan to counter the popular/overtalked about opinion.  I count on Neal as a "hidden gem" finder at times.

I agree, I'm glad we have Neal for finding those unknown and unloved gems. :)

That said, I hated Legend of Dragoon, but at least I beat it. Hated the music (most of it), hated the combat, hated the characters, but I still beat it because IT WAS BIG FOUR DISC RPG ON PS1 HELL YEAH.

But still, I know lots of people did like it, so I'm glad Neal was able to show them some love.

Also, Jesters of the Moon is an awesome song. It works well both as a "quirky weirdos" song and a "these guys are creepy villains" song.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Agent D. on February 13, 2013, 05:18:17 PM
Legend of Dragoon was a fun game...not ground breakingly awesome, but pretty entertaining for sure. I can safely say that FFIX was more fun, but I'd grab LoD over VIII anytime.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Dice on February 13, 2013, 05:31:58 PM
I absolutely loved Legend of Dragoon. I thought it was too harshly criticized by critics back in the day and I still think that. Luckily Neal liked it too haha.

I love Neal for that.  If it's niche, chances are he's played it and loved it.  Everyone needs that type of fan to counter the popular/overtalked about opinion.  I count on Neal as a "hidden gem" finder at times.

I agree, I'm glad we have Neal for finding those unknown and unloved gems. :)

That said, I hated Legend of Dragoon, but at least I beat it. Hated the music (most of it), hated the combat, hated the characters, but I still beat it because IT WAS BIG FOUR DISC RPG ON PS1 HELL YEAH.

But still, I know lots of people did like it, so I'm glad Neal was able to show them some love.

Also, Jesters of the Moon is an awesome song. It works well both as a "quirky weirdos" song and a "these guys are creepy villains" song.

For RPGfan's sound guy, you have to admit the game was completely innovate for having its own MENU MUSIC.  Baller.
...I mean, it sounded like some shit you hear in a government building elevator, where it's sad and cold and boring to the ears, but it was there when no one else DARED. yea.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Taelus on February 13, 2013, 05:38:14 PM
I absolutely loved Legend of Dragoon. I thought it was too harshly criticized by critics back in the day and I still think that. Luckily Neal liked it too haha.

I love Neal for that.  If it's niche, chances are he's played it and loved it.  Everyone needs that type of fan to counter the popular/overtalked about opinion.  I count on Neal as a "hidden gem" finder at times.

I agree, I'm glad we have Neal for finding those unknown and unloved gems. :)

That said, I hated Legend of Dragoon, but at least I beat it. Hated the music (most of it), hated the combat, hated the characters, but I still beat it because IT WAS BIG FOUR DISC RPG ON PS1 HELL YEAH.

But still, I know lots of people did like it, so I'm glad Neal was able to show them some love.

Also, Jesters of the Moon is an awesome song. It works well both as a "quirky weirdos" song and a "these guys are creepy villains" song.

For RPGfan's sound guy, you have to admit the game was completely innovate for having its own MENU MUSIC.  Baller.
...I mean, it sounded like some shit you hear in a government building elevator, where it's sad and cold and boring to the ears, but it was there when no one else DARED. yea.

Very true. Although I like FFT's menu theme more :)

It was also the first game to pioneer the use of a guy dragging his feet through gravel on top of Zelda 64 sound effects as a battle theme!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWYH5s0X7Tk

I keed, I keed.
I actually did like this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfNlLPMVHA
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Dincrest on February 13, 2013, 09:56:40 PM
I love you guys.  I love FF9.  I love Legend of Dragoon. 

My favorite piece of music in FF9 is Black Mage Village.  It's one of my all time favorite town themes.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Ashton on February 13, 2013, 10:13:39 PM
Legend of Dragoon would've been a classic if the game didn't basically require you to defend over and over in boss battles. Ugh. That killed it for me. They needed a better method of healing your party.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Daedalus on February 14, 2013, 09:40:18 AM
I remembered something you may want to check out after FF9 if you haven't.
Legend of Dragoon is a pretty divisive game that I grew up playing, and almost always felt like both of these games had settings that felt too generically medieval for my tastes but eventually grew to like both a lot.
The only problem I ever had with it was that pulling off special attacks can be stupidly difficult.
It wasn't extremely original, but I think it is about on par with FF9 in that way.
And sadly, both games are unfinished for me because of corrupted memory.

I'll check it out!  What platform did it originally come out on?  I think most of 2013 will be spent catching up on all the ps1/ps2 games I missed.  There's a lot....
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Zendervai on February 14, 2013, 10:10:13 AM
Legend of Dragoon is PS1. It's on the Playstation Network now.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 14, 2013, 01:50:35 PM
Reposting this video(s) because why the hell not.

The Epic Final Fantasy IX Medley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhD8iCf5QyY) (there's also one for FFV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ginfs4TY0oo) and FFVI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1QgLqWb0rE) if you're into that sort of thing).

I guess should mention that every video contains spoilers too.*
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Daedalus on February 14, 2013, 08:10:25 PM
Legend of Dragoon is PS1. It's on the Playstation Network now.

Cool I'll pick it up.  I just got a ps2 to play all the titles I missed out on, I had an Xbox back in the day(wednesday).
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Daedalus on February 19, 2013, 09:57:11 AM
Finished it last night.  Fun game.  It wasn't unique, but it was very enjoyable.  What's the deal with Sir Fratley?  Did I miss a side quest?
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Aeolus on February 19, 2013, 01:40:37 PM
Finished it last night.  Fun game.  It wasn't unique, but it was very enjoyable.  What's the deal with Sir Fratley?  Did I miss a side quest?

The closest the Sir Fratley story line comes to a conclusion is with Freya accepting that his old memories are gone and its time to focus on making new ones instead of dwelling on what was lost (unless I'm somehow getting this mixed up with Lufia 1's ending).
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Daedalus on February 19, 2013, 02:54:31 PM
It seems odd that they didn't do anything with that story branch.  A lost opportunity that could have fleshed out Freya and Fratley a bit.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: PotRoast on February 20, 2013, 12:42:46 AM
As a thought exercise, I often like to compare Final Fantasy VII, VIII, and IX. Every time I come away thinking IX should be considered the best out of the three, but I always run into a problem with this: I just don't like playing FFIX. It is boring. I have always found it boring. As dated as the graphics are on VII and as contrived as the story in VIII, I have played through each multiple times, and I still have urges to play them every now and then (particularly VII within the past year). I just don't get it.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Agent D. on February 20, 2013, 12:47:42 AM
As a thought exercise, I often like to compare Final Fantasy VII, VIII, and IX. Every time I come away thinking IX should be considered the best out of the three, but I always run into a problem with this: I just don't like playing FFIX. It is boring. I have always found it boring. As dated as the graphics are on VII and as contrived as the story in VIII, I have played through each multiple times, and I still have urges to play them every now and then (particularly VII within the past year). I just don't get it.
Could it be the more futuristic or modernized look of the games, perhaps? I've noticed that I have a greater appreciation for more olden looks myself, but some people just appreciate the look of average day society.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Dice on February 20, 2013, 01:21:26 AM
As a thought exercise, I often like to compare Final Fantasy VII, VIII, and IX. Every time I come away thinking IX should be considered the best out of the three, but I always run into a problem with this: I just don't like playing FFIX. It is boring. I have always found it boring. As dated as the graphics are on VII and as contrived as the story in VIII, I have played through each multiple times, and I still have urges to play them every now and then (particularly VII within the past year). I just don't get it.
Could it be the more futuristic or modernized look of the games, perhaps? I've noticed that I have a greater appreciation for more olden looks myself, but some people just appreciate the look of average day society.

I think a "modernization" of the game could really help FF9.  It's got a LOT going for it, but the battles can be a real drag... a lot of PSX RPGs were though.  The fact that half of them take their sweet time to pan around the battle field before you fight really adds up.
I also hated the turn order of FF9.  Someone is low in HP, and you hope your heal spell kicks in before the enemy knocks them on their ass.  Then you use a Phoenix Down, but you can't heal them in time again because they only recovered 10 HP with the damned Phoenix feather.

I've sad it before, but I think Digi Devil Saga and FF10 handled this best (FF10 especially for showing the turn order and showing how "haste" actually works in your favor BEFORE you select the spell).  They were turn-based random battles, but they moved really quick.  DDS essentially had a fast forward button.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Taelus on February 20, 2013, 01:32:14 AM
Yeah, DDS2 is IMO the pinnacle of the turn-based battle system. I love FFIX and its combat, but it can definitely feel a bit wonky sometimes with the pacing of the turns and when actions actually happen. I think you're right, though, that it was pretty common in PS1-era RPGs to take freaking forever with fights.

Of course, that said, I still love FFIX longtime and ignore all of its flaws :]
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: PotRoast on February 20, 2013, 10:13:55 AM
Could it be the more futuristic or modernized look of the games, perhaps? I've noticed that I have a greater appreciation for more olden looks myself, but some people just appreciate the look of average day society.

I've wondered if it were the setting, since I do prefer settings more typically associated with "sci-fi" than fantasy. But I still lean away from that as the answer because I have enjoyed games with a strict fantasy setting in the past. And because the quality of FFIX fantasy is very strong. Especially when compared to games like Elder Scrolls Oblivion.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Daedalus on February 20, 2013, 10:16:29 AM
Seriously the turn based system was screwed up in IX.  If you used a summon then your whole team would be ready and waiting to attack, then you would just sit there and wait.  Like a previous poster stated, healing your team was a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Akanbe- on February 20, 2013, 04:20:14 PM
As a thought exercise, I often like to compare Final Fantasy VII, VIII, and IX. Every time I come away thinking IX should be considered the best out of the three, but I always run into a problem with this: I just don't like playing FFIX. It is boring. I have always found it boring. As dated as the graphics are on VII and as contrived as the story in VIII, I have played through each multiple times, and I still have urges to play them every now and then (particularly VII within the past year). I just don't get it.
Could it be the more futuristic or modernized look of the games, perhaps? I've noticed that I have a greater appreciation for more olden looks myself, but some people just appreciate the look of average day society.

I think a "modernization" of the game could really help FF9.  It's got a LOT going for it, but the battles can be a real drag... a lot of PSX RPGs were though.  The fact that half of them take their sweet time to pan around the battle field before you fight really adds up.

Wasn't the whole panning thing was just a way to hide loading times?

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I also hated the turn order of FF9.  Someone is low in HP, and you hope your heal spell kicks in before the enemy knocks them on their ass.  Then you use a Phoenix Down, but you can't heal them in time again because they only recovered 10 HP with the damned Phoenix feather.

I don't recall any issues with it.  Just waiting a few seconds for the enemy to take their turn before rezzing and then healing the revived character works, no?
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Taelus on February 20, 2013, 04:34:52 PM
I never had HUGE issues with it (though maybe it's because I just learned to compensate), but sometimes the game was a little bit sluggish in executing your actions-- the enemies were sluggish in that regard, too, but it did feel a bit wonky at times.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Dincrest on February 20, 2013, 05:25:41 PM
I felt like the ATB calibration was a bit more off in FF9 than other FF games.  It was noticeable.  

As for the sentiment of FF9 objectively being the best of the PSX FF games but not the most entralling, I offer something a friend of mine said years ago and have stolen from her ever since.  She said that FF9 is like macaroni and cheese.  It tastes good and you like it, but it's not one of the more exciting or exotic flavors like FF7 or FF8 offered up.  

My review of FF9 says it all: http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/finalfantasy9-psn/index.html
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Aeolus on February 20, 2013, 10:50:19 PM
I felt like the ATB calibration was a bit more off in FF9 than other FF games.  It was noticeable.  

As for the sentiment of FF9 objectively being the best of the PSX FF games but not the most entralling, I offer something a friend of mine said years ago and have stolen from her ever since.  She said that FF9 is like macaroni and cheese.  It tastes good and you like it, but it's not one of the more exciting or exotic flavors like FF7 or FF8 offered up.  

My review of FF9 says it all: http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/finalfantasy9-psn/index.html

I wouldn't call FFVII an exotic flavor either given that despite the trappings surrounding Midgar and Shinra the game's structure was more or less the same as V's and VI's, except blander, since you weren't hopping to different planets or waking up to find the one you're on in tatters but that there was this huge flaming rock hanging in the sky, and who the hell gives any fucks about that? (Plus everything from the end of the first Juan sequence to the North Crater sequence was practically a "It's a Small World After All" montage.)

At least FFVIII had the decency to come out a full decade before everybody and their brother jumped onto the Japanese High School setting bandwagon to run that shit into the fucking ground. :reg08:
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Agent D. on February 24, 2013, 05:58:11 PM
This topic has made me want to play IX again, so I just finished buying and downloading it off psn. I'm kind of excited, haven't played it in YEARS.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Daedalus on February 25, 2013, 09:49:26 AM
This topic has made me want to play IX again, so I just finished buying and downloading it off psn. I'm kind of excited, haven't played it in YEARS.

Sweet!  Enjoy.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Legaia on February 25, 2013, 01:27:09 PM
Stealing items from bosses was such a pain in the ass in this game. The steal rate is so ridiculously low.

But Steiner's hilarity makes the game worth it.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Agent D. on February 25, 2013, 01:45:27 PM
Just got to lindblum, zidane is level 14, everyone else is roughly 9 cuz I solo'd with him for a little while. Was gonna try for thevking of the jump rope thing, but after getting 37 jumps in a row and then failing for 20 minutes, I gave up. Already tossed any chance of getting excalibur II out the window after accidentally leaving it running at the start for 2 hours while I watched TV and ate dinner. I'm no speed runner in rpgs, I am a grinder.

Oh yeah, just for shits and giggles, I renamed everyone.
Zidane=Agent D
Vivi=Quark
Steiner=Lardass
Dagger=Dumbfuk
Freya=Ratface

Dunno about Amarant, Quina, and Eiko yet...probably equally silly names. I gotta say, naming Steiner Lardass has resulted in a few chuckles, but dagger as Dumbfuk has had me giggling. It makes every conversation with her feel sarcastic (I.E. "Good job, Dumbfuk"). It's the little things that keep me going in life...
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Legaia on February 25, 2013, 02:55:47 PM
I couldn't help but name Steiner, Tinman.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Dincrest on February 25, 2013, 03:29:05 PM
As soon as Amarant introduces himself as "The Flaming Amarant" I really wanted to rename him something crass.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Aeolus on February 25, 2013, 03:46:03 PM
Same here.

Also you passed up a perfectly good chance to do an RPGFan username association game.
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Agent D. on February 25, 2013, 05:04:01 PM
As soon as Amarant introduces himself as "The Flaming Amarant" I really wanted to rename him something crass.

The Flaming Asshole it is!
Title: Re: A Step Back: Final Fantasy IX
Post by: Dice on February 25, 2013, 06:30:33 PM
As soon as Amarant introduces himself as "The Flaming Amarant" I really wanted to rename him something crass.

The Flaming Asshole it is!

Love it.  Kinda works for him.  He's totally a tsundere tho.