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Title: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 14, 2013, 12:25:46 AM
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#XboxReveal (https://xboxevent.com/Reveal/)

"Major Nelson has posted a countdown to the event on his blog (http://majornelson.com/2013/04/24/xboxreveal/). He also states that the event will be about the "vision for Xbox," while E3 (a scant 19 days later) will be the showcase for the "full lineup of blockbuster games."  -- Source: Game Informer (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/04/24/source-next-xbox-reveal-set-for-may-21.aspx)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on May 14, 2013, 12:40:23 AM
I'm less interested in the stats of the new box as I am by what name did they choose.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 14, 2013, 12:43:44 AM
I remember console reveals when I was a kid. Such a period of hope and excitement that'd last years from initial pictures and specs to me playing it. Now I'm curious as to what crap will be on it that I don't like and will piss me off.

I like what I see from PS4, maybe the new xbox will be cool too. I'm least crazy about the ideas of mandatory kinect or ps-cams.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 14, 2013, 12:58:29 AM
^I'm only here for the GIFs.

(http://i.minus.com/ixQXhuALSjCIS.gif)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 14, 2013, 10:51:45 AM
I'm in it to see what kind of Frankenstein monstrosity they crank out before the inevitable slim-jim version fixes whatever issues the original will inevitably have.

At least it shouldn't be as bad as the original 360 and its RRODs (as that fucker was slapped together with the intent to beat out Sony's PS3 to the market).

Additionally, Kinect will still be sold separately.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 14, 2013, 12:45:03 PM
^I'm only here for the GIFs.

(http://i.minus.com/ixQXhuALSjCIS.gif)
Anything using half-baked can't be bad. New xbox will be awesome for this gif alone.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on May 15, 2013, 02:14:24 AM
I'm happy not buying any console to the race is somewhat decided.  I look at Wii U owners posting on the Nets begging/hoping for newly announced titles to come to the WiiU.

I'm am optimistic for the WiiU...mainly because who the fuck is seeing the money and sales besides a core few companies to develop on something as massive and capable as the PS4/NextBox
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on May 15, 2013, 05:46:17 PM
I'm am optimistic for the WiiU...mainly because who the fuck is seeing the money and sales besides a core few companies to develop on something as massive and capable as the PS4/NextBox

I remember when the 3DS was doing badly and we thought it wouldn't end well and look at it now.  I love mine.  WiiU may do the same.

I remember console reveals when I was a kid. Such a period of hope and excitement that'd last years from initial pictures and specs to me playing it. Now I'm curious as to what crap will be on it that I don't like and will piss me off.

Haha this is me 100%.  I like the stuff about the PS4 as well so far.  If the next Xbox changes how Xbox Live works, I may come back around.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 15, 2013, 05:55:03 PM
I really want to get the Wii U just for virtual console. I love the list of games on the Wii Prime but the Wii U needs some serious work. I hear bad things about the way that machine works.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 15, 2013, 06:47:56 PM
I'm am optimistic for the WiiU...mainly because who the fuck is seeing the money and sales besides a core few companies to develop on something as massive and capable as the PS4/NextBox

I remember when the 3DS was doing badly and we thought it wouldn't end well and look at it now.  I love mine.  WiiU may do the same..

Pretty much this.

Generally speaking I tend to assume that every console needs about one year of grace time to build up a versatile library of titles before I decide to get it or not. The WiiU is currently in that phase, the 3DS has just left that phase, and the latest & greatest Xbox/Playstation are both going to need at least that much if not more due to the jump in tech.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 17, 2013, 01:51:56 AM
The Final Bosman - Xbox Reveal Dos and Don'ts (http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/oa2o9o/the-final-bosman-xbox-reveal-dos-and-don-ts) -- Source: GameTrailers
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 20, 2013, 02:14:09 AM
Do we even need new hardware?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 20, 2013, 02:55:35 AM
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Do we even need new hardware?

Well, the PS3 at least has a future secured until next year as far as I know. The 360 on the other hand is a console that really completed its life cycle, and I don't think there's much that Microsoft can offer outside of what they have been doing since 2011 or so with more Gears of War, Halo, Forza and timed-exclusive for big multiplatform titles like Call of Duty or Tomb Raider.

*shrug* I don't know man. A lot of the "360 people" seem way more excited for next gen than the ones from the PS4 crowd that are mainly interested in the console as a future purchase.

Is also worth mentioning that I started seeing rumors of new consoles back in 2009 so... do we need new hardware? Both consoles have shown their age for a few years now (one more than the other) and there is a group of people excited for a change (whatever that change might be or mean for some people).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 20, 2013, 12:39:13 PM
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Do we even need new hardware?

Well, the PS3 at least has a future secured until next year as far as I know. The 360 on the other hand is a console that really completed its life cycle, and I don't think there's much that Microsoft can offer outside of what they have been doing since 2011 or so with more Gears of War, Halo, Forza and timed-exclusive for big multiplatform titles like Call of Duty or Tomb Raider.

*shrug* I don't know man. A lot of the "360 people" seem way more excited for next gen than the ones from the PS4 crowd that are mainly interested in the console as a future purchase.

Is also worth mentioning that I started seeing rumors of new consoles back in 2009 so... do we need new hardware? Both consoles have shown their age for a few years now (one more than the other) and there is a group of people excited for a change (whatever that change might be or mean for some people).

The original 360 came out at the tail end of 2005. The sucker is almost 8 years old already and should have come out with a new system a year or two ago. Especially since it's going to need at least a year, if not two, to gain its footing in the console race.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on May 20, 2013, 01:50:20 PM
I really like that we've seen a "long" lifespan for 360 and PS3.  I don't object to new hardware, but they both still put out games that look great.  And I'd imagine that development costs go up with each generation, due to the additional complexities of the hardware and what it can do.  Increased dev costs = more risk averse developers and publishers.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 20, 2013, 02:45:05 PM
I think that this whole thing with the elongated lifespan of these systems is only going to add to the draw to end development for the current gen faster. Ps4/xbox whatever/wii-u are all going to get phased in very quickly, and our current consoles are going to get phased out fast now. I don't see anything new coming out for the wii anymore, and I only here about how people are developing new console stuff. Ps2 lasted a good couple years after the triple was released, and xbox....well everyone was still playing ps2 anyway.

I have this feeling that this new console generation is going to have a bigger impact than any other....negative or otherwise. In any case, I think things are going to change soon.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 20, 2013, 07:49:35 PM
It's still, to me, a question of when you hit a certain point where it's no longer feasible to actually make use of all the hardware can do. I think that consoles are at that point.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 21, 2013, 12:00:50 AM
This has been said before in the PS4 thread, I believe, but memory is a huge limiting factor on current consoles.  512 megs is just not enough (heck, phones have more than that these days...).  This isn't just about graphics, it actually does limit what developers can do in there games.  Especially if you like huge open-world type experiences.

Not to mention that Sony at least (and I wouldn't be surprised in MS does it too, but they obviously haven't said anything yet...) has been putting a big emphasis on the ease of development for their new system as well as reducing the red tape for indie devs.  With a PC-style architecture and a much more indie-friendly ecosystem it should actually reduce development costs for the new systems for smaller devs.  It's the big developers who feel like they're obligated to push graphics to the limit! and all that who are complaining about costs.

I really do think there are still substantial improvements to be made over the current-gen systems, but the next gen might actually be the last.  Graphics are starting to get good enough that it's more about art budget than technical requirements.  With one last push on the hardware side and improvements in the ease of development the next gen ought to be with us for a looooong time...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 21, 2013, 12:06:33 AM
Oh christ, the last generation of consoles only had 512 megs of ram? What the HELL? Why? RAM is cheap. RAM doesn't give off a lot of heat.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on May 21, 2013, 01:34:32 AM
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Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: kyuusei on May 21, 2013, 01:50:09 AM
Oh christ, the last generation of consoles only had 512 megs of ram? What the HELL? Why? RAM is cheap. RAM doesn't give off a lot of heat.

512 MB was more expensive back when these things were first being made in 2005/2006/2007. And I doubt newer models ever got memory upgrades, just hard drive ones. Sure, that much is dirt cheap *now*, but instead of putting in more memory, they can afford to sell the consoles for less.

My 7 year old laptop has 512 MB of RAM. My 7 month old iPhone 5 has... twice that. If not more.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CdP_WlyxZh8/UZidGIP9VPI/AAAAAAAAQxg/rTh-d734b4Y/s1600/Microsoft.jpg)

It would be bad form to start drinking at 10 AM. :(
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 02:35:52 AM

It would be bad form to start drinking at 10 AM. :(

But not unheard of
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 02:45:16 AM
@Agent D.: Dunno how to feel about this "hunger" for new hardware that I've seen lately to be honest.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 21, 2013, 02:58:57 AM
@Agent D.: Dunno how to feel about this "hunger" for new hardware that I've seen lately to be honest.
It's got me at an impass too. Everyone wants the next gen....but this gen hasn't done much to video games as a whole, just polished old shit basically. Sure, Uncharted was great, and MGR Rising was a nice little addition to action, and Motion Sensing has made (some kind of) impact on us all...but what do we really have to show for this generation? More competition regarding who can make the same game sell more, a bunch of old FPS games with new paint, the re-emergence of third person shooters, and the amazingly long awaited sequels to Street Fighter III (meh) and Marvel vs Capcom 2 (double meh). People are so eagerly awaiting the next generation....but this generation was just last generation with a facelift. Hell, some of the last gen stuff was better done too. Why rush to make these newer, prettier games that no one really sits down and enjoys anymore? When was the last time you stopped and actually took in your game? The subtle humor, the imaginative artistry, the silent hero whom you imagine yourself as and speak his lines of dialogue in your head. I think in terms of ground breaking gaming, the best we got was Mass Effect. It's almost as bad as tv these days, we get one fucking awesome show, and a billion fucking reality shits about 6 guido wannabes or a 6 year old piglet with a moron mother or another fucking talent show. (sorry, this last part is a bit america-only) Hey America, if we're so fucking talented, how about we make something that's actually entertaining or even impressive? How about we make a stride in video games again that isn't the amazing detail in Kasumi's breast physics?

Nah, next gen will be awesome, the big thing will be how men's packagaes actually adjust to compensate for movement.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on May 21, 2013, 03:11:21 AM
I will not buy this console unless they have exclusives that are not CoD DLC, Halo, or Gears of War. In other words, not shooters, and not casual games. *crosses fingers*

EDIT

and don't get me wrong, I love shooters, but on a mouse and keyboard where they belong :)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 03:23:43 AM
I think Agent D popped a blood vessel in his brain liftin' all those big heavy weights.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 21, 2013, 03:34:07 AM
I think Agent D popped a blood vessel in his brain liftin' all those big heavy weights.
What? i thought that post was one of my more well thought out statements.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 03:39:05 AM
@Taelus: I've never been attracted to the Xbox and Microsoft has never won my trust so I doubt that whatever they announce is gonna change any of that.

@Agent D.: With the amount of crybabies in the Internet the line of what a 'bad' or 'good' game is nowadays is divided by personal experience over time more than anything.

Best thing that anyone can do is try to have an open mind about things instead of being all hot and bothered that the new entry in a big franchise is not what you wanted (and besides that's a really selfish way to think).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on May 21, 2013, 03:44:31 AM
@Taelus: I've never been attracted to the Xbox and Microsoft has never won my trust so I doubt that whatever they announce is gonna change any of that.

If they announce Phantom Dust 2 I will buy 800 of their new consoles, even if it means turning tricks on the street. Since that won't happen, though, I think we'll be in the clear.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 21, 2013, 05:11:49 AM
@Ygg: That's the entire problem, people complain all to much nowadays. No opportunity to expand one's creative wings, in fear that funding will be cut due to a sudden backlash of nerdy fanboys who damn the project at the front gate. Because you know, these people who call shenanigans are well educated video game developers and have been selling their product for years with unequalled results.

I actually think I found out what this generation created for the video game industry. User influenced adaptations. This kind of shit where a sudden backlash of rabid fanboyism caused a developer to cave and adjust their game didn't exist 10 years ago.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 05:41:44 AM
@Agent D.: In the last podcast of Giant Bomb that they did last week Brad Shoemaker talked about how he was worried for games becoming this products adapted to the market given the high cost in production and criticism they receive from every part of the world, and because of that big companies and studios are rightfully scared as shit most of the time in taking risks in a field where creativity is so damn important.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 21, 2013, 12:38:03 PM
So basically, I should have my own podcast and share my ramblings wuth the world?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 01:12:29 PM
XBOX ONE!

(http://i40.tinypic.com/331en4g.png)

So basically, I should have my own podcast and share my ramblings wuth the world?

If that's what you want...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 01:18:46 PM
So it looks like kinect mandatory.

PASS


So far the multimedia stuff has been the focus. Also, the console looks bigger than the original xbox
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: (Tunnels) on May 21, 2013, 01:20:03 PM
I'm not crazy about the name. I get the idea behind it ("all-in-one") but it makes me think of the original Xbox.

So it looks like kinect mandatory.

PASS


So far the multimedia stuff has been the focus. Also, the console looks bigger than the original xbox

When I saw the console it reminded me of how the original DVD players looked.

Also the reveal of the console design reminded me of a car commercial. All it needed was a Jon Hamm voice-over.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 01:25:09 PM
When I saw the console it reminded me of how the original DVD players looked.

Same here. It reminded me of a DVD player from... 2001 or so.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 01:27:15 PM
or one of them old top loading vhs players
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on May 21, 2013, 01:28:59 PM
I'm not crazy about the name. I get the idea behind it ("all-in-one") but it makes me think of the original Xbox.

So it looks like kinect mandatory.

PASS


So far the multimedia stuff has been the focus. Also, the console looks bigger than the original xbox

When I saw the console it reminded me of how the original DVD players looked.

Also the reveal of the console design reminded me of a car commercial. All it needed was a Jon Hamm voice-over.

Giving it the benefit of the doubt, the kinect capability stuff for multimedia looks pretty damn seamless.

I don't give a fuck how it looks, so long as it doesn't look like a dildo.  So I say a lot of those complaints are whatever.

THe name is dumb.  I get the "all in one" approach.  But it feels like "Oh they got PS4?? WELL WE GOT ONE."
But enough, it doesn't matter.  Yay games time!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 01:32:15 PM
The games segment is spearheaded with sports?

(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8741/yawnyu5.gif)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 01:33:28 PM
Booooring~! :V
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on May 21, 2013, 01:33:47 PM
The games segment is spearheaded with sports?

(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8741/yawnyu5.gif)

Haha it didn't even show any game.  Good ol' EA, I guess.
Then again, the sports games are a big deal, so...

EDIT: Yeaaah.  "XBox One" throws me for a loop when they say it.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 01:41:40 PM
a new remedy game. cool.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on May 21, 2013, 01:48:13 PM
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5435/xboxone.jpg)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
Steven Spielberg.

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Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on May 21, 2013, 01:51:28 PM
Yikes, that's it?  I'm glad the multimedia aspect is booming.... but at least PS4 had more to show off
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 01:56:04 PM
Call of Duty: Woof Woof edition
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
Next Gen dog.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: (Tunnels) on May 21, 2013, 02:00:46 PM
The graphics for the new Call of Duty are pretty great. It makes me optimistic of the upcoming games. Guess we gotta wait for E3 and other press conferences for those announcements. : /
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 02:03:19 PM
press L3 to pet dog
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 21, 2013, 02:06:53 PM
This conference was even worse than I feared.  Multimedia crap!  Kinect!  Their biggest reveal (Call of Duty) is multiplatform anyway.

BTW, Wired has a story (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-analysis/) that is far more informative than this conference.  Interesting tidbit:

Quote
There’s one feature of Xbox One from which we can infer quite a few conclusions: You can install any game from the disc to the console’s hard drive, and then play that game whenever you like without having to put the disc in.

Wired asked Microsoft if installation would be mandatory. “On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play,” the company responded in an emailed statement. Sounds mandatory to us.

What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner.

No used games confirmed.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 21, 2013, 02:08:46 PM
That controller was pretty sexy, I tell you what.

Halo, the TV series...way to ruin that game franchise.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 02:12:29 PM
So Wii U has a shaky reputation among gamers, Xbox One has a nice looking dog and the PS4 promise an interesting future.

Oh geez.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 02:13:22 PM
time to buy that ole turbografx 16 i've been eyeing
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Esper_Crusader on May 21, 2013, 02:13:44 PM
Its technically great but nothing game related interested me at all.  And what is with the live action family?? Was that throwback footage from a 3DO game!?   Oh, and I still don't want to talk to my TV but apparently I'll have to get used to it.  I sure hope there are a lot more games at E3 besides sports and shooters.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Bleaker on May 21, 2013, 02:16:11 PM
That was the worst press conference I've seen since the last Microsoft press conference. Three games. Three games for a new console were shown at a video game press conference. The only truly interesting one being Remedy's new game. Microsoft better redeem itself at E3. PS4 is looking better and better.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 02:19:49 PM
This was more directed to a wider audience than gamers. Gotta sell that thing to the masses son!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 21, 2013, 02:22:52 PM
Why would the masses buy a $400 console when they could just get a $50 Roku that does what they want?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 02:22:59 PM
after all on the current xbox you have to hit right bumper 3 times and then down to play a game.

NOW YOU CAN JUST YELL IT

Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on May 21, 2013, 02:23:59 PM
This was more directed to a wider audience than gamers. Gotta sell that thing to the masses son!

But it wasn't, really. If anything, they decided to reduce their audience to one single demographic.

"Hey bros! We got Kinect and sports, we got TV and sports, we got cars, we got this cool time bendy game. Did we mention we got sports? HALO BITCHEZ!! Oh, we're done. PSYCH! CALL OF DOOOTY, SON!"
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 02:31:42 PM
But it wasn't, really. If anything, they decided to reduce their audience to one single demographic.

Yeah you're right. Either way, with this out of the way E3 is finally the next big event and that's really all I care about.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 21, 2013, 02:32:58 PM
Yeah, they basically are selling it to sports enthusiasts now. 40% of that entire conference was sport related.

The cablebox integration is stupid. Guaranteed you can't use it without xbox live gold, meaning when you say fuck it and don't renew you'll have to reassign your cablebox output to the tv again, which is nonsense. And what happens if xbox live is down? Do you lose the ability to use it? I have no faith in any of the kinect functions outside of its ability to make you look completely stupid when you attempt them and fail.

Plus side, the cinematics they showed were pretty. Quantum Break may prove interesting when they show actual play.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on May 21, 2013, 02:38:53 PM
(http://img.izismile.com/img/img4/20111017/1000/daily_gifdump_38_03.gif)
Maybe just a bit.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 02:44:18 PM
http://youtu.be/HH7BlBb8Oxg
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 02:46:48 PM
Xbox One blocks used games. Offline Pass confirmed (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-analysis/) -- Wired

ADMIN EDIT: NeoGAF's getting hit hard by traffic, putting in Wired link.

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Edit #2:

Xbox One will not be backwards compatible with Xbox 360 games (http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4350662/new-xbox-has-no-backwards-compatibilty) -- The Verge

"The system is based on a different core architecture, so back-compat doesn't really work from that perspective."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Seultoria on May 21, 2013, 02:52:37 PM
Sony's stock shot up 8% (on American exchanges) after the Xbox One was revealed. (http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SNE+Interactive#symbol=sne;range=1d;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: (Tunnels) on May 21, 2013, 02:58:28 PM
Xbox One blocks used games. Offline Pass confirmed (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=58344320&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF (via: Wired)

Welp. This is incredibly disappointing. I don't want to write off the Xbox One just yet, but this is a HUGE negative in my book.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 21, 2013, 02:58:50 PM
Sony's stock shot up 8% (on American exchanges) after the Xbox One was revealed. (http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SNE+Interactive#symbol=sne;range=1d;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;)

That's kind of hilarious.

Xbox One blocks used games. Offline Pass confirmed (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-analysis/) -- NeoGAF (via: Wired)

ADMIN EDIT: NeoGAF's getting hit hard by traffic, putting in Wired link.

I posted that already, damn it!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 03:05:54 PM
Edited my previous post a bit.

Edit: Exclusive First Look at Xbox One (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one/) / Close Up With Xbox One: Every Photo You Could Ever Want (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one-photos/) -- Wired
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Alisha on May 21, 2013, 03:06:54 PM
i think im done with xbox. this coupled with the way they abandon consoles late in the lifecycle. 360 is mostly on life support yes ps3 is still kicking with exclusives.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 21, 2013, 03:12:10 PM
Xbox One blocks used games. Offline Pass confirmed (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-analysis/) -- Wired

ADMIN EDIT: NeoGAF's getting hit hard by traffic, putting in Wired link.

---

Edit #2:

Xbox One will not be backwards compatible with Xbox 360 games (http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4350662/new-xbox-has-no-backwards-compatibilty) -- The Verge

"The system is based on a different core architecture, so back-compat doesn't really work from that perspective."

Errr, didn't the first link already cover that? Nevermind Kevadu's point.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 03:16:23 PM
Looks like we have to wait till E3 for games. I kind of dig the look of the thing. simple and huge. fine for me.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 03:24:16 PM
If PS4 can function w/out the EYE thing I'll gladly take it over the xbox

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-will-not-function-without-kinect-attached?utm_campaign=fbposts&utm_source=facebook

Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 21, 2013, 03:24:32 PM
Frankly if these account installs work exactly as we fear then I already don't give much of a damn about the console. PC will cover when I'm willing to deal with those kinds of restrictions, hell I have digital distribution PERIOD for that, I don't want shit on retail console games.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 03:40:35 PM
Saw the trailer of Call of Duty: Ghosts again. As someone who is more into Third-person shooters it does look interesting.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on May 21, 2013, 03:48:25 PM
If the used game thing is exactly as it sounds, then nobody will care about the XBox One, because Gamestop and Best Buy won't bother stocking it. Even if Microsoft were to offer some of the used game fee to the retailers, it wouldn't matter because nobody would want to buy used games.

Basically, if Microsoft's goal with the XBox One was to take another step back from the games industry, they will certainly succeed.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 21, 2013, 03:53:00 PM
it's just another opportunity for a subscription service.

Pay $50 a year to play used games! (used games sold sep.)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 21, 2013, 04:40:49 PM
No used games would definitely hurt Gamefly's relationship with MS.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on May 21, 2013, 05:14:10 PM
Why would the masses buy a $400 console when they could just get a $50 Roku that does what they want?

Because Roku doesn't have a billion dollar advertising budget.

I'm surprised they went through with the whole no used games thing after all (edit: looks like you can install on a 2nd xbox but have to pay fulll price to install it.  MS says more info coming about used games).  Barring some major exclusives and a redone xbox live, I most likely won't be purchasing one.  Console and controller do look nice however.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 21, 2013, 05:29:43 PM
B-but guys. The D-Pad wont suck this time. (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/05/21/xbox-ones-controller-has-a-better-d-pad/) That's got to count for something right?

But man, I remember how the legalese of the OG XBlocx said that games on game disks were only leased to consumers and weren't actually owned by them and I thought that was absurd back then due to arcane nature of said knowledge let alone the complete inability to enforce such an agreement.

But to have to pay to share the same game on even the same system? That shit's just messed up.

Nevermind the year long grace period, I'm pretty sure XBox1(ol) will be launching with DoA (not to be confused with the fighting game series Dead or Alive).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 21, 2013, 05:37:46 PM
wow, no matter what they do this will kill the used & renting market for the system...not pleased......not pleased at all.  This is looking more and more like the ps4's race to lose.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 07:07:28 PM
I'm worried about this console. Damn thing just left me with the impression that is gonna leave a negative impact on gaming if not handle carefully, and I have never associated Microsoft with being careful.

B-but guys. The D-Pad wont suck this time. (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/05/21/xbox-ones-controller-has-a-better-d-pad/) That's got to count for something right?

Fighting games are still gonna suck with that controller right?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on May 21, 2013, 07:08:20 PM
I bet EA pitched and paid for the "no-used games" idea.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 21, 2013, 07:09:53 PM
Requires a connection once a day apparently. (http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-require-internet-connection-cant-play-o-509164109)

Yeah, ok, it's better to try to be neutral with console preferences but fuck that, I actually want this to tank harder than anything before.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 21, 2013, 07:23:18 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=560478
Get some popcorn people! Thread gone full meltdown! If Sony does something similar...well, fuck console gaming I am going full PC. Never thought I would EVER say that.
Even without the atrocious DOA policy there is no way in hell I would buy this system. Kinect + needing mandatory internet = no go.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Starmongoose on May 21, 2013, 07:25:03 PM
Today will be a good Internet day, i feel.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 21, 2013, 07:57:46 PM
Quote
"It sits on your harddrive and you have permission to play that game as long as you’d like," Harrison said.

REMEMBER WHEN YOU USED TO BUY GAMES INSTEAD OF PERMISSION TO PLAY THEM THAT SURE WAS NEAT.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 08:00:38 PM
If Sony does something similar...well, fuck console gaming I am going full PC. Never thought I would EVER say that.

Sony is pretty much in the role of "savior" right now while Nintendo is there stuck in their bubble as always.

I have never seen a company ruining the announcement of their next big system though. Is like they want this to be the last Xbox or something.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lucca on May 21, 2013, 08:28:07 PM
...Wow, and I thought the Wii U was kinda clunky (note: still bought one), but even I think that has more potential than the Xbox and their no used game (except for a fee!) policy. Thanks Microsoft for totally killing my interest with this system! :)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on May 21, 2013, 08:30:41 PM
Just FYI, Microsoft sources are saying the "pay to play used games" thing was not correct.

https://twitter.com/XboxSupport3/status/336937800702238722
https://twitter.com/XboxSupport/status/336957014729175040
https://twitter.com/XboxSupport2/status/336967192799223808
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on May 21, 2013, 08:37:53 PM
What's this "when we have more information" BS? YOU MADE THE CONSOLE YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 21, 2013, 08:49:59 PM
Just FYI, Microsoft sources are saying the "pay to play used games" thing was not correct.

https://twitter.com/XboxSupport3/status/336937800702238722
https://twitter.com/XboxSupport/status/336957014729175040
https://twitter.com/XboxSupport2/status/336967192799223808

The source is Phil fucking Harrison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Harrison) and I've seen this (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/05/xbox-one-q.html) show up. If they're wrong then I would expect Microsoft is so dysfunctional as a corporation that you'd have to be weary of how the Xbox would be handled anyway (though it does sound plausible for some amazing communication gaffes given how they apparently handle development there...)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 21, 2013, 08:54:44 PM
Oh hey it uses Metro still. Remember that time the XBox was a touch-enabled device!!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on May 21, 2013, 09:06:14 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=560478
Get some popcorn people! Thread gone full meltdown! If Sony does something similar...well, fuck console gaming I am going full PC. Never thought I would EVER say that.
Even without the atrocious DOA policy there is no way in hell I would buy this system. Kinect + needing mandatory internet = no go.

I don't understand how people can say this with a straight face when Steam's drm is just as restrictive.

I watched the conference but it started at 2am here.
All I saw was 20 minutes of YOU CAN WATCH TV before I fell asleep.
Woke up, looked at the internet and just sighed.
Looks like 3ds is going to be my only console this gen.
Maybe a vita depending on what's shown at E3.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 21, 2013, 09:09:09 PM
I've seen this (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/05/xbox-one-q.html) show up.

I don't understand that site...it's just pictures.  Is this like news for people who hate reading or something?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 21, 2013, 09:11:56 PM
I don't understand that site...it's just pictures.  Is this like news for people who hate reading or something?

Click on 'Xbox One: Your Top Questions Answered'.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on May 21, 2013, 09:17:24 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=560478
Get some popcorn people! Thread gone full meltdown! If Sony does something similar...well, fuck console gaming I am going full PC. Never thought I would EVER say that.
Even without the atrocious DOA policy there is no way in hell I would buy this system. Kinect + needing mandatory internet = no go.

I don't understand how people can say this with a straight face when Steam's drm is just as restrictive.


Steam is an entirely digital platform that gives you access to your games ANYWHERE, games you probably bought on a 50-75% off sale. These are physical discs that will run at least $60 each. Steam gives you a good service in exchange for being locked on its platform. Microsoft's measure is 100% anti-consumer.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 21, 2013, 09:19:28 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=560478
Get some popcorn people! Thread gone full meltdown! If Sony does something similar...well, fuck console gaming I am going full PC. Never thought I would EVER say that.
Even without the atrocious DOA policy there is no way in hell I would buy this system. Kinect + needing mandatory internet = no go.

I don't understand how people can say this with a straight face when Steam's drm is just as restrictive.

I watched the conference but it started at 2am here.
All I saw was 20 minutes of YOU CAN WATCH TV before I fell asleep.
Woke up, looked at the internet and just sighed.
Looks like 3ds is going to be my only console this gen.
Maybe a vita depending on what's shown at E3.

I don't buy and sell used games off stream, I do on consoles . I also use Gamefly and rent games from my local rental store  so until real concrete non BS info comes from MS  I give a healthy *bleep* off to this console.Then again unless the other negative news about the system are cleared up I am not buying it anyway. Stream market also works differently cause there are major sales. console games almost never drop to those price levels unless the game was just bad and not worth buying anyway for the most part.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 21, 2013, 09:30:07 PM
I don't buy and sell used games off stream, I do on consoles .  I also use Gamefly and rent games from my local rental store

OK, I understand Taelus's point, but come on.  The reason you don't buy and sell used games on Steam or rent games is because you can't.  So that isn't really an argument...

By the way:
XBox One hard drive non-replaceable, does support external storage (http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hard-drive/).

Hope you like 500GB...forever.  Especially with those mandatory game installs...

Edit: Woops, totally misread that headline.  I don't know why I saw a 'not' before the external storage thing...I guess I'm just trained to be pessimistic.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 21, 2013, 09:35:20 PM
If xbox wanted to impress us, all they had to do was show the system, the name of it, and call of poopie. All thry had to do, no one would have been mad or angry, but no.

I eagerly await a massive eruption of consoles claiming all discs don't have this permission to be used and create a red ring mk2 catastrophe.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 21, 2013, 09:41:33 PM
When talking about Steam, intent matters. Steam's original motivation was easy patch distribution for Valve's games, and this kind of evolved into easy/cheap distribution in general.

Also, crucially, Steam still validates games if you AREN'T online.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 21, 2013, 09:45:26 PM
I don't buy and sell used games off stream, I do on consoles .  I also use Gamefly and rent games from my local rental store

OK, I understand Taelus's point, but come on.  The reason you don't buy and sell used games on Steam or rent games is because you can't.  So that isn't really an argument...

By the way:
XBox One hard drive non-replaceable, does support external storage (http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hard-drive/).

Hope you like 500GB...forever.  Especially with those mandatory game installs...

Edit: Woops, totally misread that headline.  I don't know why I saw a 'not' before the external storage thing...I guess I'm just trained to be pessimistic.

Thats the point. being able to buy, sell , rent  and trade  is one  the major advantages of console vs pc  gaming for me. If that goes away I am not gonna invest in a new home console when I can just use that money to upgrade my computer. I'll stick to 3ds and PS Vita. JRPGS which I generally use my console for anyway have practically gone the way of the dodo anyway.

Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Alisha on May 21, 2013, 10:04:26 PM
so much fail
http://kotaku.com/so-the-xbox-one-reveal-screwed-up-a-lot-of-peoples-kin-509179256
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 21, 2013, 10:10:11 PM
And it's still going to sell. A lot. Because it's the XBox.

--- edit ---

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

Watching these people die inside makes me die inside OH WAIT I ALREADY AM DEAD INSIDE.

I want a company that has a CEO that just shows up at some press conference and starts... doing anything. Something amazing. Something blazingly retarded. I don't care. Just something that requires an actual soul to accomplish.

--- edit (badger mode) ---

They call it the XBox One 'cause you see the XBox One, turn one degree, and walk away.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 21, 2013, 10:28:47 PM
There's something crucial people forget when they go "bu-bu-but Steam!": Steam is on an open platform, and the Xbox is a closed platform. The PC is practically the wild west in regards to how you can release stuff, and by proxy crack stuff, so it's understandable to try to find a reasonable middle ground in protecting your software and being customer friendly, before that was CD Keys but that's a joke now so it's something like Steam that isn't too intrusive and convoluted of a mess. The Xbox should be innately piracy proof and thus just about ANYTHING is overkill. If they seriously run with dialing home once a day and requiring all physical copies come with a blu-ray key and every game just being an install disc as if it were PC... fuck that, if you want use to go full digital make buying digital over physical more appealing, not this bizarre Frankenstein scheme you're cooking up. Especially as it actually makes you look more anti-consumer by taking what freedoms we had as a consumer and tunneling them only through GameStop or yourself.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 22, 2013, 01:19:14 AM
There's something crucial people forget when they go "bu-bu-but Steam!": Steam is on an open platform, and the Xbox is a closed platform. The PC is practically the wild west in regards to how you can release stuff, and by proxy crack stuff, so it's understandable to try to find a reasonable middle ground in protecting your software and being customer friendly, before that was CD Keys but that's a joke now so it's something like Steam that isn't too intrusive and convoluted of a mess. The Xbox should be innately piracy proof and thus just about ANYTHING is overkill. If they seriously run with dialing home once a day and requiring all physical copies come with a blu-ray key and every game just being an install disc as if it were PC... fuck that, if you want use to go full digital make buying digital over physical more appealing, not this bizarre Frankenstein scheme you're cooking up. Especially as it actually makes you look more anti-consumer by taking what freedoms we had as a consumer and tunneling them only through GameStop or yourself.

To be fair though, every iteration of the Xbox has been a PC shoved into a console box and stripped of most of its functionality. Its not as hard to crack an Original Xbox with little more than a flash drive loaded with a few files and some know how on what you're doing so that you don't brick the bloody thing by accident. And while I haven't payed too much attention to cracking 360s, I wouldn't be surprised it the internal structure is PC enough for simple instructions gathered from the internet to bypass the front end, nor would it surprise me to see the same case hold for the Xb1 as well.

The real kicker though is that this is not going to stop hackers and pirates at all, just like every other DRM conceived, they'll find a way around it. What this conference and system are saying though is that Mircosoft only wants to continue doing business with the "core gamer", or more accurately, the people who have stuck with Mircosoft and the Xbox fully up to this point and would still be willing to continue regardless because its "their system" and nobody else.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 22, 2013, 02:41:37 AM
Conference summarized (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 22, 2013, 02:55:10 AM
Well said.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Hathen on May 22, 2013, 03:01:05 AM
The best summarized conference is still the 2006 Sony one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJElsNaC6yQ).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 22, 2013, 03:04:13 AM
To be fair though, every iteration of the Xbox has been a PC shoved into a console box and stripped of most of its functionality. Its not as hard to crack an Original Xbox with little more than a flash drive loaded with a few files and some know how on what you're doing so that you don't brick the bloody thing by accident. And while I haven't payed too much attention to cracking 360s, I wouldn't be surprised it the internal structure is PC enough for simple instructions gathered from the internet to bypass the front end, nor would it surprise me to see the same case hold for the Xb1 as well.

I do wonder if it's that easy, but that might just be a case for why they should've stuck with PowerPC. But then with how the Wii got cracked and the PS3 in the long run I have a feeling chip architecture doesn't really mean much, just the software, so it goes back to them needing to keep it secure on their end.
The best summarized conference is still the 2006 Sony one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJElsNaC6yQ).

I'm not sure anything CAN top "giant enemy crabs." Especially in the context of being "based on Japanese history."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on May 22, 2013, 05:48:46 AM
Conference summarized (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw).

And here I was thinking "Why couldn't I stay awake through the whole thing?"
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 22, 2013, 06:26:37 AM
Here's What People in Japan Think of Xbox One (http://kotaku.com/heres-what-people-in-japan-think-of-xbox-one-509246328) -- Kotaku

Xbox One | All the issues pertaining to the reveal summarised in one thread (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=58489117&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF

・Forced online activation for all games
・Complex used games system that is anti consumer
・Charged fee for playing used games on non linked profile
・Console that needs to be connected to internet every 24 hours to play games
・Very few games shown at the event
・Massive emphasis on TV, services and non game related stuff
・Rumoured (relatively weak) hardware confirmed
・DDR3 confirmed instead of GDDR5
・Only 5GB of the 8GB ram available for games (a whopping 3GB reserved for the OS)
・No self publishing for games
・Epic PR disaster with conflicting reports from Microsoft and it's heads
・Xbox support on twitter going AWOL
・Microsoft's failed attempts to correct PR with contradicting FAQ's, vague responses, misinformation, lies etc
・Live TV available in US only at launch, requires separate device
・Lots of announced services are for US only
・Kinect needed to be plugged in for Xbox One to function
・Over emphasis on Kinect
・Always watching and on Kinect is a tad creepy
・Xbox One having non-replaceable Hard Drive's
・COD Ghosts not looking that great (and the only game that had actual direct gameplay shown)
・Xbox One not being backwards compatible with the 360
・Only HDMI for output, leaving people unable to use composite or component cables
・Console quite large whilst still also using quite a large external power brick
・No headset included
・Xbox One being called Xbox One...
・And more...?

XBOX. GO HOME.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 22, 2013, 06:54:42 AM
Conference summarized (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw).

Love it.


The funniest thing though is that I can see why they called it Xbox One since Microsoft probably believes that Xbox Won. Yeah....no. (And given the alternatives of going with 720, 1080, or some stupid shit they went with the latter.)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 22, 2013, 06:58:28 AM
The funniest thing though is that I can see why they called it Xbox One since Microsoft probably believes that Xbox Won.

(http://i.minus.com/ib07XnyN3F4Rgu.gif)

Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on May 22, 2013, 08:01:17 AM
Conference summarized (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw).

Best thing about the conference: The CoD dog is still cute. :D

(http://i.imgur.com/eHsitKx.jpg)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on May 22, 2013, 09:07:43 AM
If this thing does get released and Gamestop does carry it, I hope I'm not working there anymore because there is no way I would be able to sleep at night knowing I had even a small hand in unleashing this monster on the public.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 22, 2013, 09:17:05 AM
If this thing does get released and Gamestop does carry it, I hope I'm not working there anymore because there is no way I would be able to sleep at night knowing I had even a small hand in unleashing this monster on the public.

Or you could have the goal of ummm.... getting a better job?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on May 22, 2013, 09:18:36 AM
Well that's a given, I'm just saying I hope things work out before this is released.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on May 22, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
If this thing does get released and Gamestop does carry it, I hope I'm not working there anymore because there is no way I would be able to sleep at night knowing I had even a small hand in unleashing this monster on the public.

Or you could have the goal of ummm.... getting a better job?

Easier said than done 90% of the time. =/
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 22, 2013, 10:12:34 AM
If this thing does get released and Gamestop does carry it, I hope I'm not working there anymore because there is no way I would be able to sleep at night knowing I had even a small hand in unleashing this monster on the public.

Or you could have the goal of ummm.... getting a better job?

Easier said than done 90% of the time. =/

At least you're lucky to even have a job. :(
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on May 22, 2013, 10:33:53 AM
Combo breaker!

I read something that brings me a bit of hope. I think it's pretty obvious that MS is not even looking at Japan with the XBOXONE. With that level of effort, I would be pretty stupid to keep the Idolmaster serie as a MS exclusive instead of jumping ship.
I'm looking forward to perhaps finally playing an Idolmaster game =)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: pseudonym on May 22, 2013, 11:07:19 AM
The sad thing in all of this is that there are people who get paid really well to make such bad decisions.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 22, 2013, 11:34:38 AM
So with the console not being clearly aimed for the Japanese market that means that JRPGs are gonna keep being stuck on handhelds and once in a while there's gonna be a big title on PS4? At least that's how everything seems to point out, and I don't see having a problem with that right now.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on May 22, 2013, 12:00:52 PM
So with the console not being clearly aimed for the Japanese market that means that JRPGs are gonna keep being stuck on handhelds and once in a while there's gonna be a big title on PS4? At least that's how everything seems to point out, and I don't see having a problem with that right now.

Completely agree. If Ni no Kuni was on the Vita, I probably would have beaten it by now.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 22, 2013, 01:06:16 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/05/22/indies-wont-be-able-to-self-publish-games-on-xbox-one/

Hope you aren't some kind of aspiring developer looking to reach the masses with the One, because too bad if you are.

Happily enough though this means no more wadding through mindless zombie based Minecraft clones and what have you. The world needed less of those. Far far less.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on May 22, 2013, 01:12:42 PM
Why don't people use the Diablo 2 battle.net solution for putting content?

Closed Bnet: Safe, secure and quality
Open Bnet: Wild West
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 22, 2013, 01:43:20 PM
http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-live-tv-available-in-us-only-at-launch-requires-separate-device/
You know that "awesome" multimedia tv feature  Microsoft so loves to talk about.... guess what you have to buy another device to actually be able to use it.


edit: never mind. misread the article, obviously talking about an existing HDMI  cable box or Dvdr.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on May 22, 2013, 01:47:43 PM
Yes!!
(http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif)

But seriously, if I had to say it looks like the Xbox is *reeaally* choosing its demographic with game selection.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 22, 2013, 02:11:13 PM
Combo breaker!

I read something that brings me a bit of hope. I think it's pretty obvious that MS is not even looking at Japan with the XBOXONE. With that level of effort, I would be pretty stupid to keep the Idolmaster serie as a MS exclusive instead of jumping ship.
I'm looking forward to perhaps finally playing an Idolmaster game =)

Idolmaster already jumped ship, you know.  Idolmaster 2 was released for PS3 with a ton of exclusive content.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on May 22, 2013, 02:38:59 PM
Wait what? How come I never heard of this.

Time to hit play-asia.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 22, 2013, 02:42:58 PM
Wait what? How come I never heard of this.

Time to hit play-asia.

I don't know, man, it was a pretty big deal (at least among importers) back when it happened but that was a couple years ago.  I remember Andriasang had a ton of articles about it...

Edit:
Bad news just keeps coming.  We already heard that indie devs can't self-publish, but at least they still have XBLIG, right?  Well apparently there won't be separate channels (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/22/xbox-one-marketplace-wont-have-separate-xbla-xblig-channels/) this time around.  There's just "games" now.  Now while MS hasn't said so explicitly, I seriously doubt they want the flood of unregulated content from XBLIG to be in their main channel, so it sounds like they're just getting rid of XBLIG entirely.  This while both Nintendo and Sony are aggressively courting indie devs...

Also, no cross-play between generations (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/22/microsoft-no-cross-platform-play-between-xbox-one-and-xbox-360/).  I guess that doesn't seem very surprising to most people, but with Sony supporting PSP<->Vita play, Vita<->PS3 play, and even PS3<->PC play (Portal 2, and to some extend Dust 514) I wouldn't be surprised if they could do PS3<->PS4 (though they haven't actually said one way or another).  But the 'superior' Xbox Live infrastructure can't even handle 360<->One.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 22, 2013, 04:04:47 PM
Those exclusives that they are saving for E3 have to be the best games ever made to change the opinion of a lot of people.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on May 22, 2013, 04:23:11 PM
Didn't they say those are mostly brand new IPs?
So no matter what they announce, no one will know what to expect from those anyway.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 22, 2013, 04:27:33 PM
^As I see it, giving them the benefit of the doubt doesn't seem like the smartest thing to do.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 22, 2013, 06:47:20 PM
The most annoying thing to me is the phrase "TV Experience." TV is the fucking opposite of an experience, fuck you!

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/custom/images/large/514afa8bb87dc.jpg

Ahem giant enemy crabs totally existed in Japanese history.

Anyway, putting a dog in CoD DOES seem like a really cool idea, although I suspect they'll just put the dog in the solo campaign and end up focusing on the multiplayer anyway.

I mean christ imagine a multiplayer FPS where the point was shooting someone else's dog. Would anyone play that?

And if I really want the dog co-op experience I could just go play Secret of Evermore/Haunting Grounds/That one shinobi game where you have a dog.

Oh something else I thought about. How much is the XBox One going to cost at launch? If it's not less than 600 dollars, I really doubt it's going to have appreciably better specs than a similarly priced desktop by that point.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 22, 2013, 07:02:16 PM
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/custom/images/large/514afa8bb87dc.jpg

I doubt they fought ones a hundred times the size in giant battles though.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 22, 2013, 07:23:48 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CdP_WlyxZh8/UZidGIP9VPI/AAAAAAAAQxg/rTh-d734b4Y/s1600/Microsoft.jpg)
Dice what have you done?! Someone out there died from alcohol poisoning :P

edit:page 2 drinking game post pic.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 22, 2013, 07:45:34 PM
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/22/xbox-one-requires-kinect-connection/

Remember when consoles were tiny, fast computers, with standardized hardware dedicated to gaming, and not these weird black boxes that watched what you were doing and had you talk to them?

How long till we get a console that you have to hug every so often or it turns off????
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Raze on May 22, 2013, 09:20:56 PM
Best thing about the conference: The CoD dog is still cute. :D

Yeah, but you don't want to see that dog get hurt.

If you buy a xbox one puppy could die!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 22, 2013, 09:23:28 PM
The folks who made this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJDn0jRnUQ) rather amusing abridged version of the PS4 reveal did one for the Xbox One too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOxdMQhDMIU).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: insertnamehere on May 22, 2013, 09:38:42 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=560478
Get some popcorn people! Thread gone full meltdown! If Sony does something similar...well, fuck console gaming I am going full PC. Never thought I would EVER say that.
Even without the atrocious DOA policy there is no way in hell I would buy this system. Kinect + needing mandatory internet = no go.

Not even gonna play portable games?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 22, 2013, 09:47:14 PM
The folks who made this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJDn0jRnUQ) rather amusing abridged version of the PS4 reveal did one for the Xbox One too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOxdMQhDMIU).
Awesome.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 22, 2013, 09:51:42 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=560478
Get some popcorn people! Thread gone full meltdown! If Sony does something similar...well, fuck console gaming I am going full PC. Never thought I would EVER say that.
Even without the atrocious DOA policy there is no way in hell I would buy this system. Kinect + needing mandatory internet = no go.

Not even gonna play portable games?
I said in a later post i'd just stick with my Ps Vita or 3ds 

also thought this neo gaf avi was funny. Call of Doggy
(http://m.UploadEdit.com/b015/1369273786348.gif) (http://m.UploadEdit.com/b015/1369273786348.gif)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on May 22, 2013, 11:19:33 PM
Call of Doggy



(http://meme-generator.fr/templates/Happy_Cuteness_Overload.jpg)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 22, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
I like the part where they said they scanned an actual dog for that.

Fuck it if you can already talk to your XBox why not just make a virtual dog. A virtual dog you can never hold.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on May 22, 2013, 11:55:55 PM
I live a life with my virtual wife, in a virtual house and have a virtual dog.
Don't speak to me about reality.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Monsoon on May 23, 2013, 12:29:39 AM
So how are we going to abbreviate this thing?  X1? Xone? XB1? The One (starring Jet Li)?  I'm personally pulling for XBone.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 23, 2013, 12:50:03 AM
So how are we going to abbreviate this thing?  X1? Xone? XB1? The One (starring Jet Li)?  I'm personally pulling for XBone.
XBone it fits so well with Call of Doggy
(http://nimga.com/m/eVBZm.gif) (http://nimga.com/v/eVBZm)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 23, 2013, 01:00:32 AM
So how are we going to abbreviate this thing?  X1? Xone? XB1? The One (starring Jet Li)?  I'm personally pulling for XBone.
XBone it fits so well with Call of Doggy
(http://nimga.com/m/eVBZm.gif) (http://nimga.com/v/eVBZm)

Second.

Namely because the XBone is XBoned.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 23, 2013, 03:01:12 AM
Henceforth the wicked child of Micrsoft shall be know as the Xbone.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 23, 2013, 09:30:12 AM
(http://www.gamersith.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/7tmSCjo1.gif)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Raze on May 23, 2013, 10:10:46 AM
 I will always hate that gif unless someone tells me that dog ended up fine.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 23, 2013, 11:22:51 AM
I will always hate that gif unless someone tells me that dog ended up fine.

He's dead.

Code: [Select]
I have no idea.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: pseudonym on May 23, 2013, 11:26:29 AM
I will always hate that gif unless someone tells me that dog ended up fine.

He's dead.


At least the dog took appropriate measures if he were on fire: stop, drop, and roll.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 23, 2013, 01:54:29 PM
The real reason why kinect will always stay on. You will love it. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=58843977&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF (via: SPIEGEL ONLINE)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 23, 2013, 02:09:31 PM
The real reason why kinect will always stay on. You will love it. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=58843977&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF (via: SPIEGEL ONLINE)

That can't possibly be true...can it?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 23, 2013, 04:21:42 PM
The real reason why kinect will always stay on. You will love it. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=58843977&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF (via: SPIEGEL ONLINE)

That can't possibly be true...can it?

That would be AMAZING if it were true.

(Amazingly awful but amazing never the less.)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 23, 2013, 04:25:06 PM
The real reason why kinect will always stay on. You will love it. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=58843977&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF (via: SPIEGEL ONLINE)
If that is true Microsoft is Batshit crazy. I really find that hard to believe...I mean god damn.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on May 23, 2013, 04:50:23 PM
The real reason why kinect will always stay on. You will love it. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=58843977&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF (via: SPIEGEL ONLINE)
If that is true Microsoft is Batshit crazy. I really find that hard to believe...I mean god damn.

Yeah same here.

If so, maybe the greed has gone up their noses and into their brains.  Maybe Adam Orth wasn't too out of line in the sense they're all on the same page for weird fucking business decisions.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klyde Chroma on May 23, 2013, 05:38:43 PM
The real reason why kinect will always stay on. You will love it. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=58843977&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF (via: SPIEGEL ONLINE)

That is almost a frightening concept.... As I read I had visions of families forcing their children to wear tinfoil hats and hide under blankets for movie night to reduce the cost of rentals-LoL
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 23, 2013, 06:01:29 PM
We should all bow down to our Kinect overlord
Skynet funded by M$, its the future!

Kinect it is always watching you~
(http://nimga.com/m/qw7tx.gif) (http://nimga.com/v/qw7tx)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 23, 2013, 06:06:33 PM
I wonder what are the ramifications of having sex in from of the new Kinect. :3
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 23, 2013, 06:22:19 PM
Well, it's just a patent, but whereas Sony patents all sorts of crazy crap like controlling games with your brain, this is very much doable I imagine, and if they go too far would be one of the worst things they could possibly do especially if SOMEHOW the X1 caught on like wild fire.

OTOH I've seen it pointed out that maybe it'd allow in-theater movies to come out early on X1, so you keep it to something like that and it's not really too bad.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 23, 2013, 07:19:19 PM
How would they even enforce it?  Sure the Kinect has to be plugged in, but what if you just faced it towards a wall or something?  Or put something in front of it?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 23, 2013, 07:30:35 PM
i bet any money everything freezes up if kinect can't sense everything properly.

I kind of like some of the stuff with Xbone but the mandatory kinect is going to have to make me take a pass.

What if one put a mirror in front of kinect?

Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 23, 2013, 07:34:16 PM
How would they even enforce it?  Sure the Kinect has to be plugged in, but what if you just faced it towards a wall or something?  Or put something in front of it?

I believe that the Kinect pauses if you do that.

Kinect now is supposed to be "an integral part of the functionality of the new Xbox", or something along those lines.

What if one put a mirror in front of kinect?

You create a time paradox.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 23, 2013, 07:45:13 PM
Oh oh oh or charging you for letting your goshdarn freeloader friends WATCH you play games.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 23, 2013, 07:48:33 PM
Kinect 2.0. M$'s gift to you, your very own stalker.

edit: Would be funny if the thing acted like a jealous GF whenever you tried to play A Wii U  or PS4
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 23, 2013, 07:55:10 PM
You create a time paradox.

And when you put a mirror behind Kinect and one in front, you're dividing by zero.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 23, 2013, 08:24:13 PM
Make a small box of mirrors and tape it over the lense of the kinect, and it will explode from all the everything.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 23, 2013, 08:26:57 PM
Kinect 2.0. M$'s gift to you, your very own stalker.

edit: Would be funny if the thing acted like a jealous GF whenever you tried to play A Wii U  or PS4

Couldn't they write software for it to detect PS4 and WiiU startup noises..?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Raze on May 23, 2013, 08:40:19 PM
I wonder what are the ramifications of having sex in from of the new Kinect. :3

It may join in or, at the very least, offer helpful tips.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 23, 2013, 08:59:48 PM
...

...

Motion capture SecondLife for XBox One and Kinect.

...

barf.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 23, 2013, 09:13:03 PM
I wonder what are the ramifications of having sex in from of the new Kinect. :3

It may join in or, at the very least, offer helpful tips.

ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 23, 2013, 09:45:14 PM
Better with Skinect.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 23, 2013, 10:12:48 PM
The back and forth motion accidentally switches from your Zune sexmix to live TV and a broadcast of Golden Girls. Sex gets better then
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: (Tunnels) on May 23, 2013, 10:41:14 PM
The back and forth motion accidentally switches from your Zune sexmix to live TV and a broadcast of Golden Girls. Sex gets better then

(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e257/SandPaca/tumblr_m98bkaM2cu1qd675k_zps5cc0964f.gif) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/SandPaca/media/tumblr_m98bkaM2cu1qd675k_zps5cc0964f.gif.html)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 24, 2013, 12:41:05 AM
http://www.justpushstart.com/2013/05/wii-u-sales-skyrocket-from-amazon-uk-following-xbox-one-reveal/

I was going to point this out but then I realized that the XBox One's unique capability to deliver busty octogenarian lesbians into our bedrooms means that this trend on Amazon UK probably won't last long.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 24, 2013, 01:00:17 AM
Not really surprised since the Xbone conferrence basically said FU to literally the whole non US market.
(http://i.minus.com/iVTT7iHZ0KMgK.gif)

edit: that plus a price cut made decision that much easier
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 24, 2013, 02:15:40 AM
The back and forth motion accidentally switches from your Zune sexmix to live TV and a broadcast of Golden Girls. Sex gets better then

And the moanings will bring up your other gf's account, including the number of times she's 'logged on' and 'played' with you, and then it Skypes her so that your soon-to-be ex can hear the screaming and shouting from your current ex.

Hey it could happen.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ranadiel on May 24, 2013, 06:54:31 AM
The back and forth motion accidentally switches from your Zune sexmix to live TV and a broadcast of Golden Girls. Sex gets better then

And the moanings will bring up your other gf's account, including the number of times she's 'logged on' and 'played' with you, and then it Skypes her so that your soon-to-be ex can hear the screaming and shouting from your current ex.

Hey it could happen.
"I'm sorry Dave. I'm afraid you were spending too much time with her. I'm afraid you were spending too much time at your job as well, so I conferenced your boss on the call as well."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on May 24, 2013, 09:40:59 AM
So, I guess Microsoft is giving some of the proceeds of used game fees to publishers and/or retailers? Which explains why retailers are still hyping this thing up?

In other words, there is a Bond Villain somewhere high up over at Microsoft.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: dyeager on May 24, 2013, 10:43:15 AM
http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2013/05/xbox-one-one-last-post-then-no-more.html?utm_source=feedly (http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2013/05/xbox-one-one-last-post-then-no-more.html?utm_source=feedly)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 24, 2013, 11:00:45 AM
http://gematsu.com/2013/05/rumor-xbox-one-used-game-trade-ins-detailed

Sounds convoluted and only really profitable for Microsoft.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 24, 2013, 11:43:57 AM
The Final (mini)Bosman - Go Home, Xbox (http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/9ezteb/the-final-bosman-go-home--xbox) -- Source: GameTrailers

CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT
EXPERIENCE(s) EXPERIENCE(s) EXPERIENCE(s)

:V

Also this post on gaf (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=58489117&postcount=1) that I liked before was updated.

http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2013/05/xbox-one-one-last-post-then-no-more.html?utm_source=feedly (http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2013/05/xbox-one-one-last-post-then-no-more.html?utm_source=feedly)

Interesting.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on May 24, 2013, 02:53:28 PM
Come to think of it, did anyone ask Sony what *their* attitude toward used games is going to be. Because if they confirmed used games will be business as usual on the PS4, then I have a feeling the relationship between Microsoft and Sony is currently along the lines of:

"B-b-but you said we were gonna do this TOGETHERRRRRR! You cheated! Cheater!"
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 24, 2013, 04:45:42 PM
News & Videos:

BN301Xbox-One-Voice-Control_delivery_v3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUE-cTsaK6g) -- TheOnion, YouTube

Xbox Juan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oYuMnLhDlQ) -- YouTube

Rumor: Xbox One has remote play, talking Kinect (http://gematsu.com/2013/05/rumor-xbox-one-has-remote-play-talking-kinect) -- Gematsu

FYI, The Xbox One Voice Commands Weren't in Real-time (http://me.ign.com/en/news/11383/fyi-the-xbox-one-voice-commands-weren-t-in-real-time) -- IGN Middle East

Xbox One and used games (http://majornelson.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-and-used-games-2/) -- Xbox Live's Major Nelson

Come to think of it, did anyone ask Sony what *their* attitude toward used games is going to be.

Sony & used games: a recap of comments sofar & why we may already know their strategy (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59073097&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on May 24, 2013, 07:18:00 PM
I think one thing needs to be clear... there's no way xbox and ps4 will have a different take on used games.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 24, 2013, 08:40:53 PM
I think one thing needs to be clear... there's no way xbox and ps4 will have a different take on used games.

Sony's bigger in markets where used games are a bigger deal and Microsoft can do this partially because of their infrastructure. It actually sounds to me like doing this is too much of pain for all but really really big web/tech companies, and Sony's only got half of that covered.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 24, 2013, 09:22:12 PM
I think one thing needs to be clear... there's no way xbox and ps4 will have a different take on used games.
It would be absolute suicide for that DRM policy to be released on the ps4 in Japan.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 24, 2013, 11:32:03 PM
I think one thing needs to be clear... there's no way xbox and ps4 will have a different take on used games.

I suspect that they will take different paths (though neither will remain as it currently is), and the real matter hinges on which side do the retailers take.

Kinda like the HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray formats last generation.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 25, 2013, 12:00:11 AM
Hypothetical scenario:

Game X is really cool but has a short print run, so the used market value for the discs stays highish.

But then you also have to pay the original retail value.

In other words, congratulations, every used game now costs 100 dollars, split fifty/fifty between the retailers and activation fee. And now there's a premium on getting XBox Piracy going because the games are now impossibly expensive.

Easy purchase, easy installation, and lower prices from lower overhead are all viable approaches to combating piracy. Making your product needlessly difficult to buy is just going to ensure that /nobody buys it./

(Also, Betty White's Masturbation Coach. Better with Skinect).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 25, 2013, 12:11:49 AM
A home run post from another forum I am a member of.

"Here's my analysis, post-research.

If you have nothing solid to say about your console, don’t reveal your console. This isn't magical insight gleamed from a crystal ball here. Just don’t do it until it’s ready! And for all these policy ideas regarding the system which you're playing around with, don't leak them only to preform a soft semi-retraction a tweet or two later. This is basic PR 101 here people, hell, it's Sun Tzu,

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle”

Replace "enemy" with "customer" and "battle" with "fuck you" and you pretty much get the idea of why they have their heads up their asses.

If they thought ANY of these stupid ideas would fly with consumers, then they obviously don’t have any idea how a customer-based industry works, and I could run their company better.

For one, don't advertise your game console as a Smart TV Box - that's what any gamer ever would describe as a feature not the purpose of the machine. If it is the purpose of the machine, don't call it X-Box. Video gaming is not an afterthought in this context, not something you mention halfway in as a feature to your totally awesome fantasy football Skype machine. Secondly, if you have nothing to show your core audience, then show nothing and postpone it until you have SOMETHING of substance to show. We (read non-XBOX fanboys) were ever-so-pissed-off that there was nothing to talk about here except the aforementioned nebulous rumours of doom and our reaction to them was OMGWTFBBQYOUBASTARD S because there's nothing for us to love here. If you want consumers to ignore the stick you intend to wallop them with you've got to have one hell of a shiny carrot dangling there. Thirdly, don’t make a console dependent on something that can see or hear you all the time; For one, it's goddamn creepy, for another there’s privacy concerns to think about. I don't think we believe in the infallibility of network security if we ever did, and that's a lot of trust were putting into a corporation which I frankly lack in every regard. What if their servers got hacked or MS decides to do market research and generally use your Kinect to go big brother on your ass?

This is not quantum mechanics here people, this is common sense and basic respect for the audience you intend to sell your shit to. And the fact that a lot of people at Microsoft never thought of any of these things tells me there’s a good number of people in the Xbox development team that deserve to be fired.

As to what they've released thus far. I will tentatively address them under the assumption that they may change (but probably not, again, assholes).

Why should I care about daily internet requirement?

I personally spend several weeks during the year in a place without internet connectivity, I know people who have no stable internet connection (shock of shocks) who still enjoy gaming as a hobby. It doesn't benefit me at all as a consumer while inconveniencing me unnecessarily.

It is not just about internet connectivity. Its also about being completely tied down to a network like this. With this everything is tied to XBL, and if it fails so does every single console sold regardless of having a proper high speed internet connection. What happens when the servers get shut down like original Xbox live? Will we just have abandon everything we invested in because we simply won’t be able to use it anymore? Will we be required to buy Xbox-two to keep what we've earned and payed for?

Those are the issues that come from a “feature” or rather system requirement like this.

Used/loaned/traded/rented game restrictions.

On a personal note, I have done all of the above. In fact, I've as many used games as new. This is one perk for a console gamer that PC gaming can't replicate. However, companies like Steam have gotten far better at adjusting their pricing to meet consumer demand. What are the chances that MS are going to keep prices inflated to maintain their cut? I want a reason to buy a console and making them more PC-like is not the solution, particularly when your half-way through the system's life cycle and superior gaming computers are being released for cheaper.

A great deal of assurance in shelling out 60$ for a new game, is that you can trade it in for a percentage of the expense later and buy more games. While I agree that some aspects of the used market should be changed, like returning games the same month of purchase to flood the market with slightly cheaper used copies during the important game launch, I buy games months or even years after the release well after it has much tangible benefits to publishers. After all, it might make me want to buy their next game all the more.

The XBOX one basically reduces itself to glorified and vastly overpriced rental system. You don’t own anything, you are just spending a lot of your money to rent a game for a really long time, and when the network drops your rental period ends.

New restrictions on independent games

Xbox Live does not allow independent developers to self-publish anymore, forcing them to go through MS for everything. This to me is worst  of the worst here. The XBLA was the main point of differentiation that made Xbox a gamers system. After all they're putting these little guys with innovative ideas out there on a marketplace where they're seen and can get paid for their work, creating some absolute gems and opening up gaming in new directions for the console market.

Well, now Sony and Nintendo are that, where MS was years ago. Just fuck MS.

Edit: And X-Box One... really? Really? That's what you went with? Was this seriously focus-grouped or something, I can't think of anyone saying it's a good name. It's a minor quibble, but added into the whole presentation it's just symptomatic of the utter lack of polish they put into it. Not that X-Box was a super-cool name or anything, but it was unique like the Wii, this is just confusing."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 25, 2013, 12:31:36 AM
Hypothetical scenario:

Game X is really cool but has a short print run, so the used market value for the discs stays highish.

Thankfully this is one scenario that's on its way out.  In the next gen it's going to be normal to have everything available digitally (not necessarily only digitally, but at least as an option), so you ought to always be able to get a new copy that way at least.  Meaning nobody is going to be shelling out $100+ for a used disc just because there's no other way to get it.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on May 25, 2013, 01:47:46 AM
Great article, Dave. Couldn't have said it better myself. It's 100% anti-consumer-- we get NO advantage. The only entity that "wins" in this hypothetical is Microsoft, and I can't imagine that win will be without cost.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on May 25, 2013, 02:21:07 AM
So the fact is that the Wii-U and 3DS will be the only game consoles fully backwards compatible that will play used games.

I always considered Nintendo machines my secondary consoles but it looks like 3DS will be my primary console with Wii-U as my secondary.

Strange times.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 25, 2013, 02:32:03 AM
I was speaking with a friend of mine recently regarding this xbone fiasco, and he said something that put this whole thing in massive perspective for me.

"I'm an xbox fan, I'm gonna buy it anyway".

He's in the larger percentage of gamers who simply follow a brandname and a trend. It's why the 360 did so well even though they fucking died 1 in 3 times. They don't care what terrible shit it forces onto us, or what kind of power they give manufacturers and publishers by saying things like that. His friends are gonna buy it, so he is also gonna buy it. Always online? Fine, I'm always online anyway. Charging for used games? Don't buy used anyway. I asked him " How the hell do these things not completely piss you off as a consumer? They're telling you how you can use your stuff basically. Don't you care about what you're losing by supporting this?"

"Nah man, I just wanna play that call of duty with my boys".

This....is why MS can and will get away with this shit. This is why Robert Kotick got away with being a major dick regarding infinity ward. This is why EA has been voted worst company 2 times in a row....because people are content with being stupid...as long as their buddies are being stupid as well.

I think I need new friends.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 25, 2013, 02:52:30 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/VvYUZnx.png)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on May 25, 2013, 03:24:08 AM
"I'm an xbox fan, I'm gonna buy it anyway".

"Nah man, I just wanna play that call of duty with my boys".

Please slap him for me.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 25, 2013, 03:33:26 AM
I was speaking with a friend of mine recently regarding this xbone fiasco, and he said something that put this whole thing in massive perspective for me.

"I'm an xbox fan, I'm gonna buy it anyway".

He's in the larger percentage of gamers who simply follow a brandname and a trend. It's why the 360 did so well even though they fucking died 1 in 3 times. They don't care what terrible shit it forces onto us, or what kind of power they give manufacturers and publishers by saying things like that. His friends are gonna buy it, so he is also gonna buy it. Always online? Fine, I'm always online anyway. Charging for used games? Don't buy used anyway. I asked him " How the hell do these things not completely piss you off as a consumer? They're telling you how you can use your stuff basically. Don't you care about what you're losing by supporting this?"

"Nah man, I just wanna play that call of duty with my boys".

This....is why MS can and will get away with this shit. This is why Robert Kotick got away with being a major dick regarding infinity ward. This is why EA has been voted worst company 2 times in a row....because people are content with being stupid...as long as their buddies are being stupid as well.

I think I need new friends.
Sad but so true...le sigh
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Alisha on May 25, 2013, 04:12:05 AM
i work with people like that....and guess what? they all play CoD on ps3 because the online is free.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 25, 2013, 05:05:36 AM
i work with people like that....and guess what? they all play CoD on ps3 because the online is free.

But...what about their boys?!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 25, 2013, 06:14:56 AM
"Nah man, I just wanna play that call of duty with my boys".

To think that Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare came out 7 years ago and started this shit show really is amazing.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on May 25, 2013, 09:16:30 AM
I think Microsoft knows all this. I think they realize quite well that the core gamers and niche gamers aren't going to put up with what they're trying to pull with the anti-consumer BS. That's why their presentation was entirely focused around the "bro" gamer. Here's some sports and Call of Duty, which is the only reason you're sticking with XBox anyway, so whatever.

Frankly, I say who cares. I doubt Microsoft's anti-consumer policies are going to start becoming market trends except with maybe EA and Activision. So let them take advantage of their customers, just don't get caught up in their nonsense. Microsoft seems to be gambling on the thought that the "bro" gamer and "gotta have everything" gamer demographics will be enough to carry them. I say we let them take that bet.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lucca on May 25, 2013, 12:01:56 PM
Here's another group of people who probably can't use the Xbox One - People with small rooms.

When the Kinect first came out, I was interested in it, but I heard the system would freak out and be useless if you used it in an apartment or a place that was small. Since I lived in a 600 square foot apartment, I never got one. I heard they came out with accessories that made it work in smaller spaces, but they were iffy. They'd really have to improve the kinect as a whole to work in ANY room or there's gonna be a lot of people who can't buy this system.

My friend and I also discussed how REDUNDANT all of this TV bullshit is. Really, my directtv box? Has apps. My PS3? Apps. My TV? Apps. My 50 dollar goddamn roku box? Is all about apps.  Everything now comes with apps that when companies push systems that are more multimedia (and not game) based, it's like, "What's the goddamn point? My TV does that already."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 25, 2013, 12:18:20 PM
Speaking of redundant TV bullshit.

http://www.inquisitr.com/674962/xbox-one-microsoft-files-patent-for-tv-achievements/

Gotta get those 'chievos.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 25, 2013, 12:25:13 PM
Amazing!

(http://i.minus.com/io734RtyZirXV.gif)

source (http://minus.com/lo734RtyZirXV)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 25, 2013, 02:11:43 PM
Here's another group of people who probably can't use the Xbox One - People with small rooms.

When the Kinect first came out, I was interested in it, but I heard the system would freak out and be useless if you used it in an apartment or a place that was small. Since I lived in a 600 square foot apartment, I never got one. I heard they came out with accessories that made it work in smaller spaces, but they were iffy. They'd really have to improve the kinect as a whole to work in ANY room or there's gonna be a lot of people who can't buy this system.

Well to be fair, Kinect 2 is supposedly much better in that regard (though it's not like anyone outside of MS has gone hands on with it...).  They're promising it will work within 2ft or something.

Quote
My friend and I also discussed how REDUNDANT all of this TV bullshit is. Really, my directtv box? Has apps. My PS3? Apps. My TV? Apps. My 50 dollar goddamn roku box? Is all about apps.  Everything now comes with apps that when companies push systems that are more multimedia (and not game) based, it's like, "What's the goddamn point? My TV does that already."


Yeah, exactly.  Who is going to pay $400 for a device to do something they can probably already do with the devices they have...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on May 25, 2013, 03:07:08 PM
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Katie Ujihisa ‏@sandkatt 1h
JP tech journalist comments JP game media weren't invited to XboxOne event. Some used own money/connections but were all refused entrance.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 25, 2013, 04:39:06 PM
Hope they at least enjoyed a trip to Washington because what the hell. Could've at least let them in or something, I wonder if other international journalists had the same issues?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 25, 2013, 08:03:52 PM
Microsoft Blames Gaming Media For Xbox One Consumer Rage? (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Microsoft-Blames-Gaming-Media-Xbox-One-Consumer-Rage-56056.html) -- CinemaBlend

Microsoft Digs Bigger Hole Over Used Games (http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/microsoft-digs-bigger-hole-over-used-games/1100-4647/) -- Giant Bomb
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 25, 2013, 08:28:41 PM
Microsoft Blames Gaming Media For Xbox One Consumer Rage? (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Microsoft-Blames-Gaming-Media-Xbox-One-Consumer-Rage-56056.html) -- CinemaBlend

Oh fuck this story.

I think they're contorting MajorNelson's words really badly here, all he actually said was that there was a lot of inaccurate information going around and they'd make a formal statement later, not explicitly blaming anyway, and Microsoft really has given a lot of conflicting information lately. Though the "anti-used" part definitely seems to be false, if only because it's more like "anti-sharing" or "anti-eBay". I'm clearly not in support of this stuff, but there's voicing your grievances, then there's looking for an excuse to be angry.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on May 25, 2013, 08:48:35 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/ea-ps4-xbox-one-a-generation-ahead-of-gaming-pcs-254360.phtml EA claims consoles are from the future.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 25, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
Microsoft Blames Gaming Media For Xbox One Consumer Rage? (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Microsoft-Blames-Gaming-Media-Xbox-One-Consumer-Rage-56056.html) -- CinemaBlend

Oh fuck this story.

I think they're contorting MajorNelson's words really badly here, all he actually said was that there was a lot of inaccurate information going around and they'd make a formal statement later, not explicitly blaming anyway, and Microsoft really has given a lot of conflicting information lately. Though the "anti-used" part definitely seems to be false, if only because it's more like "anti-sharing" or "anti-eBay". I'm clearly not in support of this stuff, but there's voicing your grievances, then there's looking for an excuse to be angry.

I prefer this take on it (http://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-xbox-one-reports-inaccurate-and-incomplete--254534.phtml).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 25, 2013, 08:56:10 PM
Yeah, he's highlighting WHY these are "inaccurate and incomplete" and calling out Major Nelson on not really doing a damn thing to actually make it clearer, all he really did was state the obvious.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 25, 2013, 09:06:31 PM
The 2 stories I linked and the one Kevadu posted say almost the exact same thing. Though, I'm getting dizzy with this mess of stories and news so I don't even know anymore...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 25, 2013, 09:30:56 PM
The 2 stories I linked and the one Kevadu posted say almost the exact same thing. Though, I'm getting dizzy with this mess of stories and news so I don't even know anymore...

Jim Sterling's seems to be more a snarky "I wonder why that's the case?" while highlighting how useless their "clarification" was, whereas the CinemaBlend story seems to want to take a leap of logic and make a sensationalist story implying that the statement accused journalists of going out of their way to stir up rage when that isn't really the case.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 25, 2013, 10:00:28 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/ea-ps4-xbox-one-a-generation-ahead-of-gaming-pcs-254360.phtml EA claims consoles are from the future.
excuse me while I lol at this.
The only thing more powerful on the ps4 then my computer is its memory  my GPU and oced cpu utterly trashes it.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 25, 2013, 10:17:47 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/ea-ps4-xbox-one-a-generation-ahead-of-gaming-pcs-254360.phtml EA claims consoles are from the future.
excuse me while I lol at this.
The only thing more powerful on the ps4 then my computer is its memory  my GPU and oced cpu utterly trashes it.

Some dork named Kevadu wrote a lengthy comment on that very article explaining why the PS4's CPU is a lot better than people seem to give it credit for.  But don't listen to him, he's probably crazy...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on May 25, 2013, 10:20:16 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/ea-ps4-xbox-one-a-generation-ahead-of-gaming-pcs-254360.phtml EA claims consoles are from the future.
excuse me while I lol at this.
The only thing more powerful on the ps4 then my computer is its memory  my GPU and oced cpu utterly trashes it.

Some dork named Kevadu wrote a lengthy comment on that very article explaining why the PS4's CPU is a lot better than people seem to give it credit for.  But don't listen to him, he's probably crazy...
I'd like to read that could you post a link.

edit: nevermind noscript was completely blocking comments
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Sagacious-T on May 25, 2013, 10:30:21 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/ea-ps4-xbox-one-a-generation-ahead-of-gaming-pcs-254360.phtml EA claims consoles are from the future.
excuse me while I lol at this.
The only thing more powerful on the ps4 then my computer is its memory  my GPU and oced cpu utterly trashes it.

Some dork named Kevadu wrote a lengthy comment on that very article explaining why the PS4's CPU is a lot better than people seem to give it credit for.  But don't listen to him, he's probably crazy...

Like an ascended cyber-archangel descending upon the gibbering mad peons, offering them the fires of knowledge while they stab amongst themselves with pointy sticks.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 25, 2013, 10:50:52 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/ea-ps4-xbox-one-a-generation-ahead-of-gaming-pcs-254360.phtml EA claims consoles are from the future.
excuse me while I lol at this.
The only thing more powerful on the ps4 then my computer is its memory  my GPU and oced cpu utterly trashes it.

Some dork named Kevadu wrote a lengthy comment on that very article explaining why the PS4's CPU is a lot better than people seem to give it credit for.  But don't listen to him, he's probably crazy...

Like an ascended cyber-archangel descending upon the gibbering mad peons, offering them the fires of knowledge while they stab amongst themselves with pointy sticks.

You know, if they really were from the future, then they should know how this is going to end. Maybe all of their anti-consumer bullshit is them trying to milk their future powered lotto ticket for all its worth. That, or they're taking some circuitous steps to try to preserve the future they came from by sabotaging the XBone Steins;Gate style.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: insertnamehere on May 25, 2013, 11:47:45 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/ea-ps4-xbox-one-a-generation-ahead-of-gaming-pcs-254360.phtml EA claims consoles are from the future.
excuse me while I lol at this.
The only thing more powerful on the ps4 then my computer is its memory  my GPU and oced cpu utterly trashes it.

Some dork named Kevadu wrote a lengthy comment on that very article explaining why the PS4's CPU is a lot better than people seem to give it credit for.  But don't listen to him, he's probably crazy...

Like an ascended cyber-archangel descending upon the gibbering mad peons, offering them the fires of knowledge while they stab amongst themselves with pointy sticks.

You know, if they really were from the future, then they should know how this is going to end. Maybe all of their anti-consumer bullshit is them trying to milk their future powered lotto ticket for all its worth. That, or they're taking some circuitous steps to try to preserve the future they came from by sabotaging the XBone Steins;Gate style.

Do not capitalize the b in Xbone (http://i.imgur.com/VvYUZnx.png)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Sagacious-T on May 26, 2013, 08:26:51 AM
Anyone else disgusted that XBLA games won't transfer over?

Hell, PSN games won't either.

It just feels so wrong.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ranadiel on May 26, 2013, 09:05:24 AM
So the winner on twitter between the PS4 and Xbone is clear.

http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/

Poll has been going for nearly a week now and the results have been fairly consistent. PS4-87% of the votes, Xbone- 11%, Memory leak(?)- 2%. I would love to be a fly on the wall at Microsoft right now.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on May 26, 2013, 09:42:25 AM
Frankly, I think the Ouya is starting to look pretty appealing.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Darilon on May 26, 2013, 09:45:48 AM
Is there any word on if Sony are going to do something similar in relation to used games? Most things I have heard tend to be pretty confusing.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 26, 2013, 10:00:18 AM
Is there any word on if Sony are going to do something similar in relation to used games? Most things I have heard tend to be pretty confusing.

Posted this before.

Sony & used games: a recap of comments sofar & why we may already know their strategy (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59073097&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 26, 2013, 11:42:29 AM
To skip the fairly long babble and rehash of interview comments, Sony themselves don't sound like they wanna implement their own online registration, but will give other publishers the option to do so. Basically, though, they didn't say anything at 100% certainty.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Sagacious-T on May 26, 2013, 04:37:51 PM
I think Sony is on board with Microsoft here. There's no way only one side would have disc DRM. This is like when they both agreed to start charging $60 for games.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 26, 2013, 04:41:51 PM
Well, the $60 thing can be attributed to retailers too, and that doesn't require much in the way of infrastructure I'd think. But it's also worth noting that Microsoft's approach seems to be EXTREMELY lopsided in favor of the US, Sony could well have looked at other countries and decided they simply couldn't implement it, whereas Microsoft may've decided only first world countries, ESPECIALLY US matter and so fuck having it work well with anyone else.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Sagacious-T on May 26, 2013, 06:08:51 PM
It's a narrow minded strategy.

What's even more ridiculous is that this is the first step by console gaming towards standardizing digital media, reducing physical games into mere licenses.

Except they aren't even carrying over the old digital titles to the new consoles! They're telling gamers straight to our faces, "Buy all this digital content stuff! It'll last as long as this console generation does." The biggest benefit of owning stuff digitally on the PC is that it outlasts any mere piece of hardware one might own, and that it's eternally compatible (for the most part) with future machines.

Microsoft could have really set the precedent here for the long term future of console gaming and digital rights. But it's pretty clear they're more interested in putting Windows in the living room than making the best gaming console possible


Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 26, 2013, 06:36:30 PM
Microsoft answers the question of Xbox One region locks (http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/microsoft-answers-the-question-of-xbox-one-region-locks/) -- Digital Trends

"As the details of the Xbox One continue to trickle out following the May 21, 2013 unveiling and the subsequent deluge of facts (some real, some not), we have one more piece of information to confirm about the console: the Xbox One will still feature regional locks.

"Similar to the movie and music industry, games must meet country-specific regulatory guidelines before they are cleared for sale," A rep from Microsoft confirmed to Digital Trends. "We will continue to work with our partners to follow these guidelines with Xbox One."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 26, 2013, 07:34:56 PM
http://www.theonion.com/video/xbox-one-capable-of-controlling-users-with-simple,32569/

HahahahahahahHaha.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on May 26, 2013, 10:24:14 PM
As a friend of mine elegantly phrased it on Twitter, revealing that the Xbone is region locked is like pointing out a loose screw on a collapsed bridge at this point.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 27, 2013, 12:00:22 AM
Did anyone actually expect the Xbone to be region-free?

In other news:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMYso30L9zI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMYso30L9zI)

Is this better or worse than "realtime weapon changing"? ;)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Alisha on May 27, 2013, 12:46:57 AM
LOL!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on May 27, 2013, 12:47:32 AM
Well, being region free sold a good number of PS3.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 27, 2013, 01:14:03 AM
Well, being region free sold a good number of PS3.
Not being region free didn't exactly slow down wii and 360 sales though.

Or DS.

Or 3DS.

Pretty sure gameboy didn't allow other region carts either.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 27, 2013, 01:19:24 AM
Well, being region free sold a good number of PS3.
Not being region free didn't exactly slow down wii and 360 sales though.

Or DS.

Or 3DS.

Pretty sure gameboy didn't allow other region carts either.

Uhhh, people gave as much of a shit as they did because DS and all Game Boys were region free. They would've still wanted region free anyway, but after historically being region free and suddenly locking down it was a kick to the teeth.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 27, 2013, 02:54:01 AM
Not being region free didn't exactly slow down wii and 360 sales though.

Or DS.

Or 3DS.

Well I obviously can't speak for the general public, but I'll tell you the #1 reason I haven't gotten a 3DS yet is because it's not region-free.  Though I do feel more and more like I'll have to get one eventually...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 27, 2013, 03:10:09 AM
In any case, region locking isn't the greatest evil ever. I'm not against it, but I'm not for it either. I buy US games, so it doesn't bug me. For you people who can read and understand multiple languages, I do feel some level of sympathy for you.

That being said now, Xbone sucks, let's continue bitching about it.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on May 27, 2013, 03:17:55 AM
Let's pronounced the X in Xbone the same way they pronounce the X in Xblade in Kingdom Hearts.

THE KEYBONE
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Sagacious-T on May 27, 2013, 03:28:20 AM
What's so bad about region-free systems?

Example, Elite Beat Agents would never have existed if DS owners didn't fall in love with Ouendan.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ranadiel on May 27, 2013, 08:15:50 AM
Let's pronounced the X in Xbone the same way they pronounce the X in Xblade in Kingdom Hearts.

THE KEYBONE

Lmao, this, a million times this.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on May 27, 2013, 09:43:24 AM
Why not "cross" like Namco X Capcom.

CROSS-BONE
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 27, 2013, 10:19:34 AM
Rumor: Sony has used game 'solution' for PlayStation 4, might cancel plans following Xbox One backlash (http://gematsu.com/2013/05/rumor-sony-has-used-game-solution-for-playstation-4-might-cancel-plans-following-xbox-one-backlash) -- Source: Gematsu

"Sony was preparing a used games DRM for PlayStation 4, but might cancel those plans following the reaction to this week's Xbox One announcement, the latest internet rumors suggest."

What's so bad about region-free systems?

Example, Elite Beat Agents would never have existed if DS owners didn't fall in love with Ouendan.

The more region-free systems the better. If people don't know other languages that's their business.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on May 27, 2013, 10:41:32 AM
Rumor: Sony has used game 'solution' for PlayStation 4, might cancel plans following Xbox One backlash (http://gematsu.com/2013/05/rumor-sony-has-used-game-solution-for-playstation-4-might-cancel-plans-following-xbox-one-backlash) -- Source: Gematsu

"Sony was preparing a used games DRM for PlayStation 4, but might cancel those plans following the reaction to this week's Xbox One announcement, the latest internet rumors suggest."


Womp wooomp.
Quite frankly, it might be tougher for game stores to thrive as they do if they get rid of used sales.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 27, 2013, 12:34:30 PM
Jimquisition: When the starscreams kill used games (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7370-When-The-Starscreams-Kill-Used-Games) -- The Escapist
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on May 27, 2013, 04:41:10 PM
Did anyone actually expect the Xbone to be region-free?

Not sure if that even matters at this point given the fact that they don't seem to care about the Japanese market at all (and Japan not caring about them). It probably wouldn't change much for Americans even if it was region free.  Probably will screw Europeans a lot more though.


Fake, but I still love this:
(http://i.imgur.com/9xfEOxL.jpg)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 27, 2013, 06:46:07 PM
Fake, but I still love this:
(http://i.imgur.com/9xfEOxL.jpg)

OK, that had me laughing out loud for real.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 28, 2013, 01:46:02 PM
In Theory: Can the Xbox One cloud transform next-gen gaming? (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-can-xbox-one-cloud-transform-gaming)

"For cross-platform titles running on PS4 and PC, there's the question of the economic sense in developing Xbox One specific cloud-based augmentations rather than using the same cross-platform algorithms toned down for the Xbox's less powerful GPU. This places Microsoft in a conundrum - if the cloud is unavailable to its rivals, it is unlikely to be used in third-party games and the Xbox One is unlikely to benefit outside of a few exclusives. If Microsoft does extend its cloud service to other platforms, it loses the computing advantage claimed for Xbox One.

What's obvious at this point is that the concept of cloud computing looks uncertain and unlikely, and Microsoft needs to prove its claims with actual software. Yet based on what we've been told, the firm itself isn't sure of what uses to put it to, while the limitations of latency and bandwidth severely impede the benefits of all that computing power. Frequent references to Live and multiplayer gaming suggest a less exciting, though certainly valuable, use for Microsoft's new servers in providing better, conventional, multiplayer experiences. More players, adaptive achievements and intelligent worlds all sound great in theory, but we're certainly not seeing the notional results of a four-fold increase in Xbox One's processing power.

Microsoft needs to prove its position with strong ideas and practical demonstrations. Until then, it's perhaps best not to get too carried away with the idea of a super-powered console, and there's very little evidence that Sony needs to be worried about its PS4 specs advantage being comprehensively wiped out by 'the power of the cloud'."


Sony execs respond to #PS4NoDRM online campaign (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-28-sony-execs-respond-to-ps4nodrm-online-campaign)

"Sony employees have acknowledged a campaign aimed at convincing the company not to restrict used PlayStation 4 games."

[...]

"Sony has yet to mention the campaign officially, however, and there's been no word from its top target - Shuhei Yoshida, president of SCE Worldwide Studios.

"Used games can play on PS4 (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games)," Yoshida told Eurogamer in February, back at the PlayStation 4 unveiling.

But Sony's position on the matter has become less clear in the wake of Microsoft's confused attempts to explain the issue (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-21-xbox-one-second-hand-games-will-charge-a-fee-to-play). Used games can play on Xbox One, too, although with restrictions."


Source: Eurogamer
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 28, 2013, 05:35:53 PM
This is going to remain a clusterfuck until E3 (and hell it'll probably stay a clusterfuck until the product hits store shelves or is pulled off of life support).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on May 28, 2013, 06:42:02 PM
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/28/call-of-duty-ghosts-new-engine-still-iterative-not-built-from/

"I know we said our engine was new but it's not but it is!"

If I take the engine out of my car, along with the body, and replace every other part, I STILL CAN'T SELL IT AS A NEW FUCKING CAR.

Activision and Microsoft both know full well that most people will just watch the press conference, and not hear about some dev admitting a lie. Therefore, they get to say "WE WERE HONEST" while still ensuring the vast majority of people are misinformed.

Where was that politician analogy I was using earlier?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 28, 2013, 07:44:20 PM
Microsoft Studios corporate vice-president Phil Spencer: "If all you want is gaming, you'll still pick us." (http://www.oxm.co.uk/54833/xbox-one-if-all-you-want-is-gaming-youll-still-pick-us/) -- Official Xbox Magazine UK

(http://i.minus.com/iAnjSI4iSFtIy.gif)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 28, 2013, 07:49:22 PM
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/28/call-of-duty-ghosts-new-engine-still-iterative-not-built-from/

"I know we said our engine was new but it's not but it is!"

If I take the engine out of my car, along with the body, and replace every other part, I STILL CAN'T SELL IT AS A NEW FUCKING CAR.

Activision and Microsoft both know full well that most people will just watch the press conference, and not hear about some dev admitting a lie. Therefore, they get to say "WE WERE HONEST" while still ensuring the vast majority of people are misinformed.

Where was that politician analogy I was using earlier?

Let's be fair, here, most engines are iterative.  What version of Unreal are we on now?  Do you think they rewrote that from scratch? 
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on May 28, 2013, 08:11:59 PM
I'm not taking issue with iterative, I'm taking issue with them claiming it's a "BRAND NEW ENGINE." That's a flat-out lie. Iterating on an engine is totally cool, but not when you make a Big! Point! That! Your! Engine! is brand new and offers incredible new experiences.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on May 29, 2013, 12:25:29 AM
I'm not taking issue with iterative, I'm taking issue with them claiming it's a "BRAND NEW ENGINE." That's a flat-out lie. Iterating on an engine is totally cool, but not when you make a Big! Point! That! Your! Engine! is brand new and offers incredible new experiences.

That's the thing. Even a hamster will eventually learn not to nibble on the cupcake with the mild electric current running through it. Given time, even core gamers will no longer believe Ondore's lies (maybe; honestly, I haven't much hope for them or their cause).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 29, 2013, 09:35:05 AM
Shuhei Yoshida announces DRM on PS Vita (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59963845&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF

"Microsoft executive Aaron Greenberg asserts that the company's E3 2013 presentation will clear up Xbox One questions." -- Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-e3-showing-will-get-it-right-assures-microsoft-exec-6408995)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on May 30, 2013, 05:06:08 PM
TotalBiscuit on XBone and used games:
http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/totalbiscuit-argues-against-used-games-and-explains-why-gamestop-are-knobsa

Long but interesting.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 30, 2013, 07:52:02 PM
I wonder.

Let's say you buy a used XBox One game and download some patch to bypass the reactivation fee. Is that considered piracy?

Extrapolate: If you buy and play ANY used game without money going back to the original publisher, can that be considered piracy?

I don't buy used games because I want them cheap*. I buy used games because /none of the shit I want is in print anymore/.

* I spent 50-something dollars on fucking Intelligent Qube bitch this stuff ain't cheap.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 30, 2013, 08:06:49 PM
I don't really care about used games that much.  I'm a hoardercollector and I never sell my games.  And the only time I ever buy used games is if the game is out of print and I can't actually find a new copy.  So I should be fine with this, right?

No.

It's not the used games that I care about.  It's the idea of intrusive DRM that needs me to constantly phone home to be allowed to play my single player content offline.  It's the fact that if they shut down those servers in a few years my entire collection will instantaneously become useless.  That's completely unacceptable.  And it's not something I hear the defenders of this stuff even addressing.  All I hear is, "used games are bad!"  I don't even buy used games, you know...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 30, 2013, 09:22:56 PM
It's the act that if they shut down those servers in a few years my entire collection will instantaneously become useless.

But Kevadu, videogames are a disposable source of entertainment with no lasting merit! Nobody plays something more than two or three years old, come on!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 30, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
I don't really care about used games that much.  I'm a hoardercollector and I never sell my games.  And the only time I ever buy used games is if the game is out of print and I can't actually find a new copy.  So I should be fine with this, right?

With the bolded taken into consideration I can't possibly see how anyone in that position can go "yeah screw used sales." Then again the internet seems to have revealed every possible opinion is out there regardless of how it clashes with common sense or even their own experience.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Alisha on May 30, 2013, 10:26:21 PM
http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/article_misc/whitehawk.gif (http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/article_misc/whitehawk.gif)

http://i.imgur.com/uu17Z3l.gif (http://i.imgur.com/uu17Z3l.gif)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 30, 2013, 10:56:20 PM
Kaz Hirai: PS4 'first and foremost a video game console' (http://gematsu.com/2013/05/kaz-hirai-ps4-first-foremost-video-game-console) -- Gematsu
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 30, 2013, 11:13:34 PM
OK, a few too many large .gifs in here, and while I doubt anyone's on dial-up people DO use smartphones to browse.

If nothing else a 14 MB gif is absurd.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 30, 2013, 11:25:04 PM
If nothing else a 14 MB gif is absurd.

How even the fuck..?

I'm trying to come up with a response to one of Eusis' posts -- I think gamer brand loyalty is a lot like political party loyalty and leads to the same kind of groupthink -- but now I'm wondering why I buy used games and CDs at all.

Like, earlier this year, I bought a used copy of the old D&D city builder Stronghold, and it's on floppies. My laptop doesn't have a floppy drive, and I'm not sure the original discs even work.

Or... better example. Bought a bunch of used music CDs and Saturn games last weekend. How much of that money got back to the original publisher? Approximately none of it. So why not just pirate it? Do I really want the /artifact/ that much?

I guess I do.

I'm a consumer whore and it's depressing and it's depressing that I can't come up with any alternatives.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on May 30, 2013, 11:31:20 PM
OK, a few too many large .gifs in here, and while I doubt anyone's on dial-up people DO use smartphones to browse.

If nothing else a 14 MB gif is absurd.
When shit don't load on my infuse, I switch to my s4. I always have an answer!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on May 31, 2013, 12:49:09 AM
I don't really care about used games that much.  I'm a hoardercollector and I never sell my games.  And the only time I ever buy used games is if the game is out of print and I can't actually find a new copy.  So I should be fine with this, right?

With the bolded taken into consideration I can't possibly see how anyone in that position can go "yeah screw used sales." Then again the internet seems to have revealed every possible opinion is out there regardless of how it clashes with common sense or even their own experience.

Well, making things available digitally can kind of alleviate that problem.  I'm pretty sure the plan with the coming gen is to make all retail releases also available digitally.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on May 31, 2013, 02:21:03 AM
Well, making things available digitally can kind of alleviate that problem.  I'm pretty sure the plan with the coming gen is to make all retail releases also available digitally.

There's still the problem of licenses expiring (as XSEED and Atlus readily showed), of which many companies completely suck at giving advance notice for, and sometimes it seems they'll pull games for the sake of marketing, Sonic 2006 was pulled before either Sonic Unleashed or Sonic Colors (not as if that's a big tragedy...) and it SOUNDS as if the original Need for Speed Most Wanted was pulled from XBL/PSN in light of the new game, probably to avoid confusion though the easier way would've been not to use the same damn name. And unlike Sonic 2006 it sounds like this one actually IS widely considered a good game and one of the most feature rich NFS titles. Ideally nothing would ever get delisted short of being outright illegal, and even then it'd just be preserved until the legality was a non-issue, but in reality they seemingly are willing to dump old games if they happen to be inconvenient for them.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ranadiel on May 31, 2013, 06:52:01 AM
I wonder.

Let's say you buy a used XBox One game and download some patch to bypass the reactivation fee. Is that considered piracy?
I don't know about "piracy", but I will bet you would be in violation of the DMCA provision regarding circumventing electronic DRM.

Extrapolate: If you buy and play ANY used game without money going back to the original publisher, can that be considered piracy?
Nope, at least in terms of copyright that is perfectly kosher.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on May 31, 2013, 08:11:28 PM
Quote
Nope, at least in terms of copyright that is perfectly kosher.

What if microsoft decides to challenge that when their used game activation fee is inevitably circumvented though?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ranadiel on June 01, 2013, 07:46:47 AM
What if microsoft decides to challenge that when their used game activation fee is inevitably circumvented though?
Then they are morons because the proper route for that is to go after the DMCA claim because circumventing the game activation is almost certainly a DMCA violation while there is absolutely no chance of them managing to overturn the first sale doctrine of copyright.....wait we are talking about the company that developed the Xbone. Hmm, I might have a an entertaining Supreme Court case on this subject to look forward to in four to five years.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 03, 2013, 11:40:55 PM
Quote
Then they are morons

WELL YEAH (also ib4 history of wonky anti-trust bullshit).

Anyway.

Hey what if Gamestop decides to not carry the XBox One because of its used games policy 8D
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 03, 2013, 11:42:49 PM
Quote
Then they are morons

WELL YEAH.

Anyway.

Hey what if Gamestop decides to not carry the XBox One because of its used games policy 8D

I would LUL.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 04, 2013, 12:17:39 AM
I suspect they'd be passive aggressive rather than openly hostile like that. WHOOPS, we lost that cardboard stand of that hot new release of yours! And put all the games behind the Vita cases, sorry but room's pretty tight.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on June 04, 2013, 12:42:19 AM
Germany is calling the xgone a trojan.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 05, 2013, 12:31:16 PM
"Microsoft has cancelled its E3 post-press conference roundtable w/ the media." -- Twitter (https://twitter.com/stevetilley/status/342289498924789760)

Posted by famousmortimer, NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61413053&postcount=361):

"I mentioned the other day that I was hearing rumors of Microsoft throwing around a considerable amount of money to have publishers only show games on the Xbox One during E3. Most people dismissed my admittedly flakey news as 'that's what always happens.'

I've talked to more people since then though and this isn't the usual jostling for publishers on stage that happens at E3. Microsoft is throwing BIG money around to reverse course on idea that they aren't a games console. The rumors are that PS4 versions of multiplats, by those who do take the money, won't be shown AT ALL. Not on stage and not on the show floor.

I don't feel bad for Sony because business is business. I'm sure they will find a way to have a decent show... or they will have to recover afterwards. That's not really my concern.

Now, there's no need to take my word on this if you don't want to. But do keep an eye on E3 next week. With them buying up everything in sight and now potentially cutting an open roundtable out (to assumedly talk one on one with friendly press) and word that finding multiplat games on the PS4 on the show floor will be much harder than anticipated... just keep an eye on it. Maybe my sources are wrong. But I feel confident enough in this info to share it.

I'm not saying to jump to conclusions. I'm just saying it may be something to keep an eye on."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 05, 2013, 02:01:19 PM
Further lending credence to my theory that Microsoft is hoping to keep people as uninformed and confused as possible in order to shield themselves from criticism and ensure buyers may blindly jump in.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on June 05, 2013, 03:05:11 PM
So they're going with plan A after all. Do the exact same thing as the last 3-4 years except even more so in hopes that their targeted demographic is as misguided and financially irresponsible as they are. No damage control, no backpedaling, and no fucks given.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 05, 2013, 03:12:34 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iONmv2CQl8qp4.gif)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Parn on June 06, 2013, 11:00:53 PM
Leaving this right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn_NoMjuFLc
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 06, 2013, 11:10:24 PM
Leaving this right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn_NoMjuFLc
...I want to body slam him. With all my heart and soul. I just want to lift him into the air and rapidly drop him back o to the ground on his backside as hard as possible, preferably through a small table like they do in the WWE. Pretty sure I may inadvertently cause an extension of winter due to the earth's axis having been shifted....but by God I wish to body slam that man.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Jotacon on June 06, 2013, 11:21:19 PM
Parn why did you do that? That was the worst thing. I only got halfway, but that was honestly aweful. Agent D. please do body slam him. I'm a Canadian I can take the extra winter.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 06, 2013, 11:22:34 PM
Watch this guys. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ1cUup0ATg)

Please.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on June 06, 2013, 11:44:32 PM
Leaving this right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn_NoMjuFLc

I just thought of all the actual men that died on this day in 1944 in France so that fat waste of life can make terrible youtube videos
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on June 06, 2013, 11:55:49 PM
DO you think they made the new xbox so HUGE so that there wouldn't be enough room for another console next to or around your tv?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on June 07, 2013, 12:00:31 AM
Leaving this right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn_NoMjuFLc

Holy shit, that thing is built Nintendo solid =/
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Jotacon on June 07, 2013, 12:06:54 AM
Watch this guys. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ1cUup0ATg)

Please.
Thanks for that. That was a really good video. I still hate his schtick though. If it made him a happy and succesful person that is a very good thing, but I never want to see it again. At this point I still wouldn't mind a bodyslammin'.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 07, 2013, 12:36:38 AM
Leaving this right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn_NoMjuFLc

I can't really blame kinect for thinking that guy was his couch...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 07, 2013, 02:21:27 AM
Xbox One: A Space Odyssey (Parody) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWcKtJj5_oY)

It had to be done.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 07, 2013, 03:41:58 AM
So chubby mcragedude is just pretending to be a schmuck? Boo hoo his life sucked, so did mine and so does 100% of the rest of the world. Don't see all of us crying to the general public for handouts via youtube subscriptions. Fuck body slam, I want to fucking powerbomb his ass through a fucking couch.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 07, 2013, 04:41:38 AM
Well, I would hesitate to call Youtube stuff handouts. His livelihood depends on his performance on Youtube; he's an entertainer. It would be like saying "Ask A Ninja" or "Epic Rap Battles of History" are asking for handouts, when they're earning money based on things they create.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Seultoria on June 07, 2013, 07:12:53 AM
I love Boogie's Francis videos.

And is it honestly that hard to tell that he's acting? I knew it while watching my first Francis video, even before stumbling upon his normal videos.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Parn on June 07, 2013, 08:32:42 AM
Leaving this right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn_NoMjuFLc

Holy shit, that thing is built Nintendo solid =/

Right?  It's impressive how much it can take.  I wouldn't be surprised if it still worked.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on June 07, 2013, 09:41:50 AM
Leaving this right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn_NoMjuFLc

Holy shit, that thing is built Nintendo solid =/

Right?  It's impressive how much it can take.  I wouldn't be surprised if it still worked.
I cant believe how much damage that thing took. He might as well threw the kitchen sink at it, and even after that it didn't look that damaged. I was dying laughing the whole time.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Jotacon on June 07, 2013, 11:55:16 AM
I love Boogie's Francis videos.

And is it honestly that hard to tell that he's acting? I knew it while watching my first Francis video, even before stumbling upon his normal videos.
I could tell it was a character right away, mostly because of the voice and how frequently he changed his tone. I just didn't know his story until Yggdrasil posted that video. Like I said upthread, his schtick sucks it is unfunny and unpleasant. I wanted him power bombed for how annoying it is not for the kind of person he was and I still do. Good for him for making some money and happiness off of the character though. I may not like it, but his hard work was rewarded.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on June 07, 2013, 12:01:53 PM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/Nephlabobo/Xboxone_zps261d8289.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/Nephlabobo/media/Xboxone_zps261d8289.jpg.html)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 07, 2013, 12:09:15 PM
Microsoft kills game ownership and expects us to smile (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-07-microsoft-kills-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile) -- Source: Eurogamer

"Almost exactly a year ago, at the end of an E3 press conference in which Microsoft heralded fitness software, Kinect, Internet Explorer, Bing and dying action games as the future of entertainment, I wrote (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-05-e3-reaction-microsoft-vs-sony-the-console-war-is-over-for-now) that anyone who has paid attention to Microsoft's business over the years should not be surprised by its apparent lack of self-awareness.

"If we are entertained by what Microsoft chooses to do for its own gain," I suggested, "then that is simply a happy coincidence."

Guess what? The coincidence is over."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Bleaker on June 07, 2013, 01:53:20 PM
They shot themselves in the foot back at the press conference. Now they took an rocket, aimed it at their feet, missed, destroyed the community, blew up all Gamestops and all Ma and Pa game stores, and finally hit their own business. Or maybe I'm overreacting. Still the tragic consequences of this may have doomed Microsoft to anybody but hardcore fans. Well...at least we have a better d-pad.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 07, 2013, 02:08:04 PM
Unfortunately, Microsoft will get another small demographic with their usual strategy: Give away a bunch of free Xbone's to press celebs and morning talk show audiences, then people who will want to play the same system as their friends and/or idols will go out and buy one.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 07, 2013, 02:43:26 PM
Microsoft kills game ownership and expects us to smile (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-07-microsoft-kills-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile) -- Source: Eurogamer

"Almost exactly a year ago, at the end of an E3 press conference in which Microsoft heralded fitness software, Kinect, Internet Explorer, Bing and dying action games as the future of entertainment, I wrote (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-05-e3-reaction-microsoft-vs-sony-the-console-war-is-over-for-now) that anyone who has paid attention to Microsoft's business over the years should not be surprised by its apparent lack of self-awareness.

"If we are entertained by what Microsoft chooses to do for its own gain," I suggested, "then that is simply a happy coincidence."

Guess what? The coincidence is over."

I have to wonder how many people who hate the Xbox One so much also think Steam is the best thing to ever happen. We can change those points ever so slightly and Steam would be guilty of the same thing.

-You do not own the games you buy. You license them.
-Discs are only used to install and then license games and do not imply ownership.
-People can play games installed on your computer whether you're logged in or not.
-Multiple people can be authorised to play these games on a different computer, but not at the same time, similar to iTunes authorised devices.
-You can't trade in your games
-You can't give games to friends
-Your account allows you to play the games you license on any computer.
-Your computer must connect to the internet a predetermined period of time to keep playing games.
-When playing on another computer with your account, you can't use your home computer.
-Live TV, Blu-ray and DVD movies are exempt from these internet requirements.
-Loaning and renting games will not be possible
-Valve may change these policies or discontinue them at any point.

I'm not saying that I LIKE the direction MS is taking; in fact, I hate it. The point remains, though. Steam is functionally identical, but people claim it's the best thing ever.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on June 07, 2013, 02:53:55 PM
While I have a Steam account and some games on it, I don't like Steam that much. I'm against DRM of any type and Steam is no exception. I do understand that it is a lesser evil though.
The biggest difference is that Steam offers lowered prices for digital goods most of the time and actively try to enhance their users' gaming experience. Steam never really needed Achievements, Cloud synching, Workshops, Communities, etc. but they did add those and often were among the first to integrate said features.
Finally, another argument would be that Steam is free while the Xbone isn't. That is a very big difference between the two platforms.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Esper_Crusader on June 07, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
Its just a sign of the times. I really don't care. Hard copies will be a memory in 10 years.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 07, 2013, 03:02:41 PM
Its just a sign of the times. I really don't care. Hard copies will be a memory in 10 years.

This kind of attitude doesn't help anybody.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 07, 2013, 03:03:29 PM
While I have a Steam account and some games on it, I don't like Steam that much. I'm against DRM of any type and Steam is no exception. I do understand that it is a lesser evil though.
The biggest difference is that Steam offers lowered prices for digital goods most of the time and actively try to enhance their users' gaming experience. Steam never really needed Achievements, Cloud synching, Workshops, Communities, etc. but they did add those and often were among the first to integrate said features.
Finally, another argument would be that Steam is free while the Xbone isn't. That is a very big difference between the two platforms.
Steam isn't free. You need to buy a computer to run it.

AM I to assume that by that argument, as long as companies offer us something, anti-consumer practices are a-okay? I really have to wonder, how many people torching the Xbox One have giant Steam libraries? How many have mobile phones and tablets with device limited purchases? How many have devices with a built in webcam? When you make an exception because of how you feel about one company it undermines any point you are trying to make.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on June 07, 2013, 03:09:47 PM
Sorry, but I think you read my post entirely wrong. Try and read it again and this time remember that I DID CALL IT THE LESSER EVIL.
Seriously... It's like you read it thinking I'm a Steam fanboy or something.

My Steam library consists of Steamwork only titles (Skyrim, Deus Ex:HR, etc.) and the occasional humble bundle to which I give money to charities. I will get the game DRM free whenever available. I'm boycotting Uplay and Origin completely also.
I have a cellphone on which I never bought anything.
I have no webcam.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 07, 2013, 03:13:29 PM
I read your post fine. I was more talking about the trends I've seen on this discussion. A lot of people are hating on the Xbox One for various reasons, ranging from fair complaints (ownership rights) to absurd beliefs (Kinect will spy on me!). I'm just saying that almost all the complaints levied against the Xbox One are nulled by the actions of most of the gaming population. There is a very small subset of people that can get away with making these claims without logical inconsistencies poking them in the ass.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 07, 2013, 03:19:24 PM
Steam works way longer (forever? Just 30 days?) in its offline mode and is on a platform where some sort of piracy protection is arguably necessary: PC's an open platform, there's no way to silently and non-intrusively protect like you can on a closed platform such as consoles, and we were seeing really REALLY bad measures cropping up (Securom having the option to dial home every few days, TAGES having a limit of 5 machine activations EVER unless you call in to reset), Steam's basically just a compromise to be made for anyone that doesn't want to brave a full DRM-free release. Then there's the fact they actually can and do release DRM free games on Steam, although it's mostly indie titles and not made explicit, you'd have to try just running the games from their folder within Steam and see if it needs to go through Steam or not.

Microsoft's on a closed platform and should be innately guarded against piracy, but even if they were insistent on making it more or less a pure DD platform there were better ways of handling it, such as just fully copying Steam but axing the "needs to activate offline mode explicitly" bit. Instead it's this stupid attempt at a compromise between physical and digital that actually ends up MORE restrictive than if they just went digital all the way (and perhaps treated retail copies the same way Steam does), or at least the trade offs aren't really worth it.

Also just to kick them while they're down, PC is a platform you can mostly trust to be able to run games on in the future. Don Mattrick laughed off BC so who the fuck knows if Microsoft will carry over X1 stuff to the X2 or whatever fully?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 07, 2013, 03:27:26 PM
Having a longer period before phoning home doesn't really make it any more anti-consumer, though. Like I said, it still means you're leasing the games, just with more convenience. Also, piracy was evidently a pretty big problem with the Xbox 360. The half assed and confusing way MS is doing this is the only real legitimate complaint I feel can be leveled against them, though I imagine it's in part due to the complications of retail game sales - a fully DD console would likely be buried by every retailer.

I hadn't thought about the BC argument, which is a good point, and I imagine that's why MS and Sony are moving to the x86 architecture (basically making the next gen systems computers), but time will tell.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 07, 2013, 03:43:37 PM
Yeah I think the Backwards Compatibility is the biggest issue when comparing Steam and Xbone. When I buy a new computer, I know all my Steam games will transfer over. The only fear I have of losing my Steam library is if Valve shuts down the servers for any reason.

While as we're already learning this console cycle that all of our previous purchases on PSN and XBL are now stranded on our current consoles, and once those are kaput, or need to be replaced for space, those games are gone. Also, it's important to note that lots of people hated the idea of Steam when it first started. Even today, people who praise Steam don't praise it for the DRM, that's just a part of it that users have gotten used to. If the Xbone gets off the ground, I'm sure the same thing will happen.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 07, 2013, 03:49:34 PM
Well, for whatever it's worth with Steam I haven't actually seen verification it gave up after 30 days, someone's said they had theirs on offline mode for a long, long time and has continued to use it just fine. Plus I don't see Steam servers going down due to generational shifts like with consoles, there's simply no logical need for it.

And to me if they can't adequately protect against piracy then that's their failing, not something to be taken out on us (as it were), the DS and PSP got completely ripped into, yet the 3DS and Vita have been much more resilient, it took until now for a 3DS flash cart and that's apparently some crappy thing that can't take more than one game per SD card and will lose saves if you swap, hopefully Nintendo can block that and that's the last we hear of it.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Parn on June 07, 2013, 06:16:26 PM
It's all business in the end, but the devil's in the details.  It really isn't about the DRM because if it were, people would have been hating on Xbox Live Arcade and PSN titles like crazy.

Valve projects an image of putting the customer first with constant game sales and free online play... people feel like they're getting great deals (and they do).  Microsoft has projected an image of putting the publishers and themselves first with charging for online play and creating an environment designed to extract as much money out of the customer as possible (games on demand prices are hilarious).  Microsoft emphasizing TV and sports with the debut of their new console was not endearing in the slightest.  They have a tremendous image problem, and I haven't the slightest bit of sympathy for them.  Most of my current gen game library is on my Xbox 360, but they have become repulsive enough to the point that I'm not buying their new platform, as much as I want to play Crimson Dragon which is undoubtedly going to be re-revealed as an Xbox One exclusive.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on June 07, 2013, 06:29:21 PM
There's also the fact that Steam still supports indie games as well as imports that otherwise wouldn't have a chance out on store shelves due to obscurity or not being complete and total shovelware. Take Ys Origins. There's a game that never would've had a chance otherwise. Take the games localized by Carpe Fulgur. They would've never have had a chance either without some form of digital distribution. Even PSN has been doing this to a certain respect with guys like GungHo and MonkeyPaw Games bringing PS1 games that were too obscure even for the late 90's.

Now look at the XBone and tell me that they're going to allow an environment to facilitate such endeavors (especially when you consider they basically said 'fuck you Japan, indies, and start-up localizers' during their announcement back in May).


Also I was able to get back onto Steam recently even though I haven't even touched it since downloading Portal 1 back when it was offered for free in '010 (mostly because the computer I was using back then has no graphics card). When I got back Portal 1 was still there right where I left it but now on a new computer that wasn't all but completely gutted before being resold.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 07, 2013, 07:14:50 PM
It's all business in the end, but the devil's in the details.  It really isn't about the DRM because if it were, people would have been hating on Xbox Live Arcade and PSN titles like crazy.

Well, the daily minimum requirement to phone home IS a new wrinkle that puts it closer to the likes of Diablo III and SimCity, which people HAVE ravaged. But, yeah, Microsoft's overall image as a console manufacturer has become more and more unlikeable if not outright abhorrent over the last few years, and they're not really fixing their problems, flaring those up while creating new ones.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ramza on June 07, 2013, 07:33:35 PM
My take on Steam / DRM vs XBone crap.

I will "buy" (an individual license to) 10 games for like $3. I'll do this once a month and find tons of high quality games that I really, really enjoy.

On XBone ... well, let me know when they have a sale like that that even comes close.

Ideologically DRM peeves me too, but the pragmatist in me says it's all about the Benjamins.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on June 07, 2013, 08:10:05 PM
Its just a sign of the times. I really don't care. Hard copies will be a memory in 10 years.

This kind of attitude doesn't help anybody.

As long as we're promised that our game won't cease to exist in the next cycle of consoles .... That's the real gripe. In 5 years or so when the 360 is dead I won't be able to download and play Defense Grid or Shadow Complex...Games I paid for.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: pseudonym on June 07, 2013, 08:28:33 PM
Valve projects an image of putting the customer first with constant game sales and free online play... people feel like they're getting great deals (and they do).  Microsoft has projected an image of putting the publishers and themselves first with charging for online play and creating an environment designed to extract as much money out of the customer as possible (games on demand prices are hilarious).  Microsoft emphasizing TV and sports with the debut of their new console was not endearing in the slightest.  They have a tremendous image problem, and I haven't the slightest bit of sympathy for them.  Most of my current gen game library is on my Xbox 360, but they have become repulsive enough to the point that I'm not buying their new platform, as much as I want to play Crimson Dragon which is undoubtedly going to be re-revealed as an Xbox One exclusive.

That's why I think people are more willing to accept Steam than Xbone. If the service is good and not a total rip-off, then I am more willing to compromise on some things.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 07, 2013, 08:46:14 PM
How mandatory is exclusivity? Can companies back out of it?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on June 07, 2013, 09:23:57 PM
Leaving this here.

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6

It just gets better and better for them.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 07, 2013, 09:33:39 PM
An account on reddit just made today that is making baseless claims?

Hmm... not sure if I trust the veracity of the article.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on June 07, 2013, 09:36:36 PM
Yeah, I can see why, but the reason I posted it is that it's just one bit of bad perception after another for MS.

It seems like things are really starting to turn against them.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 07, 2013, 09:39:10 PM
I think a more than a bit of it is just people jumping on MS because it's MS. Nobody here has done that, and MS has made some serious missteps (to the point where I won't buy their next console), but some of the hate seems... well, unwarranted, or coming out of nowhere.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on June 07, 2013, 09:59:22 PM
I think those that are the most vocal are actually the people that are the most disappointed in MS.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 07, 2013, 10:42:56 PM
@Ashtrot: Unwarranted criticism?

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/83ad328bc51edb10da20fd4fe4cb8e8e/tumblr_mkis7cKWd91rlxqtro1_250.gif)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on June 07, 2013, 10:50:00 PM
I think those that are the most vocal are actually the people that are the most disappointed in MS.

Possibly.

People went into the first MS conference thinking MS was going to have an easy victory walking into next gen.

Keep Xbox Live the same, get some good exclusives, ramp up the graphics and we have a winner.

I can't remember the last time I saw such a quick turnaround into hostility.

Maybe after the "you'll want to get a second job" moment by Sony.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 07, 2013, 11:16:29 PM
Well, I kind of expect many were at least dreading something multimedia/TV focused, and if it were kept just to that we'd have a bunch of internet crying which I'd find exasperating, but this sort of dicking around with game ownership? Yeah, this is a problem for not just Microsoft fans but non-PC game fans on a whole as something like this catching on can screw up Nintendo/Sony, at least if Sony doesn't have similar lined up already.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on June 07, 2013, 11:20:13 PM
Microsoft kills game ownership and expects us to smile (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-07-microsoft-kills-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile) -- Source: Eurogamer

"Almost exactly a year ago, at the end of an E3 press conference in which Microsoft heralded fitness software, Kinect, Internet Explorer, Bing and dying action games as the future of entertainment, I wrote (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-05-e3-reaction-microsoft-vs-sony-the-console-war-is-over-for-now) that anyone who has paid attention to Microsoft's business over the years should not be surprised by its apparent lack of self-awareness.

"If we are entertained by what Microsoft chooses to do for its own gain," I suggested, "then that is simply a happy coincidence."

Guess what? The coincidence is over."

I have to wonder how many people who hate the Xbox One so much also think Steam is the best thing to ever happen. We can change those points ever so slightly and Steam would be guilty of the same thing.

-You do not own the games you buy. You license them.
-Discs are only used to install and then license games and do not imply ownership.
-People can play games installed on your computer whether you're logged in or not.
-Multiple people can be authorised to play these games on a different computer, but not at the same time, similar to iTunes authorised devices.
-You can't trade in your games
-You can't give games to friends
-Your account allows you to play the games you license on any computer.
-Your computer must connect to the internet a predetermined period of time to keep playing games.
-When playing on another computer with your account, you can't use your home computer.
-Live TV, Blu-ray and DVD movies are exempt from these internet requirements.
-Loaning and renting games will not be possible
-Valve may change these policies or discontinue them at any point.

I'm not saying that I LIKE the direction MS is taking; in fact, I hate it. The point remains, though. Steam is functionally identical, but people claim it's the best thing ever.

This is a decent reply to your comparisons I think, from VideoGameandTech (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-details-xbox-one-used-games-always-online-and-privacy-policies/?comments=1&post=24644757#comment-24644757)

Steam on the PC and the XBO are different scenarios. Let's go over why:

Buying in. People owned PCs before Steam existed and don't pay Valve a penny to buy one. XBO requires you fork over $400 (or whatever the price is), the majority of which goes to MS.

Competition. Don't like Steam or how it works? Buy game from anywhere else. Don't like how MS runs their system? $400 paperweight. Competition has several secondary effects, like discounting, keeping business honest, etc. Steam has those; MS won't.

Sales. AAA, multi-million seller, Game-of-the-Year winners go on sale regularly. We know how Steam works with its pricing. Microsoft? Don't yet know. We have seen when the same game is sold digitally and brick-and-mortar that the digital version does not get comparable sales.

Trust. We trust Steam because we've seen how it works. MS has not earned our trust. And being our only XBO option, it's an easy position to abuse.

Offline usability. Your PC works perfectly fine without an internet connection. Steam will still play your installed games. XBO goes dead in 24 hours (if it won't play games, it's dead to me).

Value-added or taken away. Steam's introduction and existence does nothing to take away from our computer gaming experience. Some of us even like its features; the rest can ignore it. XBO and its online DRM are a major step backwards from the 360 in every ownership aspect.

So while they are both digital distribution platforms, Steam and XBO are very different beasts.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on June 07, 2013, 11:40:14 PM
Well, I kind of expect many were at least dreading something multimedia/TV focused, and if it were kept just to that we'd have a bunch of internet crying which I'd find exasperating, but this sort of dicking around with game ownership? Yeah, this is a problem for not just Microsoft fans but non-PC game fans on a whole as something like this catching on can screw up Nintendo/Sony, at least if Sony doesn't have similar lined up already.

Well it was cringe worthy, but in a different way from the Frodo reveal of the 360.
You're right though, if it were just a TV reveal people could say "wait til E3".
This kind of anger I understand.
Sony and Nintendo would be insane at this point to try and replicate what MS is doing.
E3 really is Sony's to lose at this point.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 07, 2013, 11:43:43 PM
I believe in you Sony.

(http://i.minus.com/ibpS0ZE158W3Sf.gif)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 08, 2013, 12:15:38 AM
Microsoft kills game ownership and expects us to smile (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-07-microsoft-kills-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile) -- Source: Eurogamer

"Almost exactly a year ago, at the end of an E3 press conference in which Microsoft heralded fitness software, Kinect, Internet Explorer, Bing and dying action games as the future of entertainment, I wrote (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-05-e3-reaction-microsoft-vs-sony-the-console-war-is-over-for-now) that anyone who has paid attention to Microsoft's business over the years should not be surprised by its apparent lack of self-awareness.

"If we are entertained by what Microsoft chooses to do for its own gain," I suggested, "then that is simply a happy coincidence."

Guess what? The coincidence is over."

I have to wonder how many people who hate the Xbox One so much also think Steam is the best thing to ever happen. We can change those points ever so slightly and Steam would be guilty of the same thing.

-You do not own the games you buy. You license them.
-Discs are only used to install and then license games and do not imply ownership.
-People can play games installed on your computer whether you're logged in or not.
-Multiple people can be authorised to play these games on a different computer, but not at the same time, similar to iTunes authorised devices.
-You can't trade in your games
-You can't give games to friends
-Your account allows you to play the games you license on any computer.
-Your computer must connect to the internet a predetermined period of time to keep playing games.
-When playing on another computer with your account, you can't use your home computer.
-Live TV, Blu-ray and DVD movies are exempt from these internet requirements.
-Loaning and renting games will not be possible
-Valve may change these policies or discontinue them at any point.

I'm not saying that I LIKE the direction MS is taking; in fact, I hate it. The point remains, though. Steam is functionally identical, but people claim it's the best thing ever.

This is a decent reply to your comparisons I think, from VideoGameandTech (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-details-xbox-one-used-games-always-online-and-privacy-policies/?comments=1&post=24644757#comment-24644757)

Steam on the PC and the XBO are different scenarios. Let's go over why:

Buying in. People owned PCs before Steam existed and don't pay Valve a penny to buy one. XBO requires you fork over $400 (or whatever the price is), the majority of which goes to MS.

Competition. Don't like Steam or how it works? Buy game from anywhere else. Don't like how MS runs their system? $400 paperweight. Competition has several secondary effects, like discounting, keeping business honest, etc. Steam has those; MS won't.

Sales. AAA, multi-million seller, Game-of-the-Year winners go on sale regularly. We know how Steam works with its pricing. Microsoft? Don't yet know. We have seen when the same game is sold digitally and brick-and-mortar that the digital version does not get comparable sales.

Trust. We trust Steam because we've seen how it works. MS has not earned our trust. And being our only XBO option, it's an easy position to abuse.

Offline usability. Your PC works perfectly fine without an internet connection. Steam will still play your installed games. XBO goes dead in 24 hours (if it won't play games, it's dead to me).

Value-added or taken away. Steam's introduction and existence does nothing to take away from our computer gaming experience. Some of us even like its features; the rest can ignore it. XBO and its online DRM are a major step backwards from the 360 in every ownership aspect.

So while they are both digital distribution platforms, Steam and XBO are very different beasts.

Steam also has no physical component. That's a huge thing. Steam games don't go out of print. Steam games generally COST less because you're not... paying for a box/manual/disc.

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-Your computer must connect to the internet a predetermined period of time to keep playing games.

Also, no, steam works offline. Always online stuff is just for managing achievements. Steam's DRM basically just... requires steam to be running, offline or online.

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-When playing on another computer with your account, you can't use your home computer.

That's not really a good complaint against either the XBox One or Steam. You're not, physically, going to be playing the same game on two computers at the exact same time. Well, okay, exception is when you want to do multiplayer with multiple people in the same house. iirc steam supports spawn copies if you want to do this. Still, this was never feasible for consoles anyway. So...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 08, 2013, 01:17:18 AM
Buying in. People owned PCs before Steam existed and don't pay Valve a penny to buy one. XBO requires you fork over $400 (or whatever the price is), the majority of which goes to MS.

I really can't agree with this one.  First of all, what reason is there to upgrade a PC this day and age besides gaming?  My main PC for doing work is like 8 years old and it does everything I want just fine.  We've really reached the point where PCs are fast enough for most things.  Not to mention that a lot of people seem to be migrating more towards smartphones and tablets.  Gaming PCs absolutely do require a monetary investment beyond what you would normally need to pay.

Second of all, what is this "the majority of which goes to MS" BS?  Margins on consoles range from razor thing to negative.  It's quite normal to sell a new system at a loss, just to encourage adoption and make money on the software.  The majority of that pricetag goes to the people who actually make the components and assemble things, as well as middlemen.  MS gets squat.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 08, 2013, 01:25:50 AM
We all know MS makes its profits off Xbox Live ads. 60 bucks a year to use the service, and advertisements no matter where you look.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 08, 2013, 01:48:43 AM
Buying in. People owned PCs before Steam existed and don't pay Valve a penny to buy one. XBO requires you fork over $400 (or whatever the price is), the majority of which goes to MS.

I really can't agree with this one.  First of all, what reason is there to upgrade a PC this day and age besides gaming?  My main PC for doing work is like 8 years old and it does everything I want just fine.  We've really reached the point where PCs are fast enough for most things.  Not to mention that a lot of people seem to be migrating more towards smartphones and tablets.  Gaming PCs absolutely do require a monetary investment beyond what you would normally need to pay.

Second of all, what is this "the majority of which goes to MS" BS?  Margins on consoles range from razor thing to negative.  It's quite normal to sell a new system at a loss, just to encourage adoption and make money on the software.  The majority of that pricetag goes to the people who actually make the components and assemble things, as well as middlemen.  MS gets squat.

Microsoft's XBox division is apparently massively in debt.

Also a gaming PC costs about as much as a console, last time I checked.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on June 08, 2013, 02:56:39 AM
How can they be in debt?

Is it because of the insurance program they had to introduce because of the RROD?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 08, 2013, 02:58:02 AM
I agree with Mesh's points almost wholesale, but I've been arguing with Ash about this for days now. It's just a situation that some people aren't going to agree on, and that's okay-- because none of us have to buy an XB1 if we choose not to.

This reductionism I continually see that says "XB1 IS THE SAME AS STEAM BUT EVERYONE LOVES STEAM" is missing very important shades of distinction.

And you can get a very solid PC to play games on for $400. I know, because I built one for a friend a few months ago. We spent $500 total, and that included a brand new bitching monitor, cheap speakers, and a mouse/keyboard. It runs Borderlands 2 at higher-than-console-quality settings, and does everything else you'd want a PC to do.

The only point that is true is that-- yes, you could be said to not "own" your games on Steam, but considering my games are more accessible via Steam than they are as CDs sitting in my parents' attic 900 miles away, I am infinitely more connected to them than I would be otherwise. The doom and gloom and "WHAT HAPPENS WHEN STEAM DIES" is paper-thin, if you ask me, because Steam isn't going anywhere for the forseeable future, and when it does, they've already said they'd unlock the encryption.

Microsoft's console will be gone and forgotten in ten years when the hardware becomes outdated, and if the NEXT Xbox isn't backwards-compatible, your games WILL disappear. It's equally possible that they'll unlock them somehow, too, and we can't discount that, but the life-cycle for a piece of console hardware versus a PC-based distribution platform that exists on Mac, Linux, Windows, iOS, and Android is significantly shorter.

Mesh basically summed it up:

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Value-added or taken away. Steam's introduction and existence does nothing to take away from our computer gaming experience. Some of us even like its features; the rest can ignore it. XBO and its online DRM are a major step backwards from the 360 in every ownership aspect.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 08, 2013, 03:04:46 AM
Wait, just to be clear here I never said you couldn't build a gaming PC for $400.  I was objecting to the statement I was quoting which seemed to imply that PCs were basically free, because they're not.

Besides which, don't most non-gaming people mostly use laptops these days?  I don't think most $400 laptops will run games very well...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 08, 2013, 03:17:20 AM
Wait, just to be clear here I never said you couldn't build a gaming PC for $400.  I was objecting to the statement I was quoting which seemed to imply that PCs were basically free, because they're not.

Besides which, don't most non-gaming people mostly use laptops these days?  I don't think most $400 laptops will run games very well...

Ah, okay, true.

Although I won't comment on the laptop thing-- I don't have any numbers in front of me and I know plenty of people who use both, so I'm not sure.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Alisha on June 08, 2013, 06:14:05 AM
im not gonna lie im a sony/nintendo leaning fan. and all ms is doing is throwing gas on the fire.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 08, 2013, 07:36:47 AM
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I can't really address any of this without repeating what I've already said, so I'll just do a cliff's notes:

-The Xbox One has competition. It's called the PS4. People (including myself) have stated we'll buy the PS4 over the XB1 so long as Sony doesn't pull the same shit. Hell, at this point the Wii U would offer up healthy competition.
-Like Kevadu has said, PCs aren't free. The only reason to upgrade a PC is for gaming. Yes, a PC can do other things but without gaming you could easily buy a $150 laptop on sale for everything other than gaming.
-Steam was universally reviled when it first came out. They built their current image from scratch. It remains to be seen whether or not MS can pull off something similar. I doubt it, but stranger things have happened. Point being that Valve has their audience's trust because they've had Steam running for ten years now and had the time to cultivate a positive image when the initial reaction was anything but positive.
-MS's 24 hour BS is ridiculous, and while I've never tried Steam in offline mode, I imagine that eventually it stops letting people play their games. If MS were to adopt the Steam methodology of 'dialing home,' I suspect people would have less of a problem with it?

Tycho has made a post (http://www.penny-arcade.com/2013/06/07/conversions) that reasonably states my position. The only thing MS can't really justify is the 24 hour stuff. And like Stephen said, if there's no agreement on this, it's okay. I certainly don't plan on buying a Xbox One. Most of my posts are for the sake of discussion and comparison.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on June 08, 2013, 07:55:43 AM
The only reason to upgrade a PC is for gaming.

Sorry, but this argument is, for lack of polite term, bad. There are plenty of reason you can need a powerful rig that have nothing to do with gaming.
If your home computer is also your work computer, there are many jobs where you would need a 1000 or even 2000$ rig.
Even if it's not work and just a hobby the same applies.

3d, video, audio to a point, encoding, encrypting/decrypting, large data manipulation, server, development software (adobe, virtool, etc.)...
I've also seen a fair share of dev kits that require a powerful computer because they are badly coded and the extra power keeps them from crashing all the time.
Even watching movies requires a descent computer. Watching a Blueray disc requires something like a mid dual core with a descent graphic card, else you can see a loss of frames.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 08, 2013, 09:06:52 AM
You make a good point, and I concede that an expensive computer does way more than an expensive console. Still, much like Kevadu, I just take issue with the implication that Steam is a 'free service,' because the price of entry is whatever you pay to get a PC capable for your own individual need.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 08, 2013, 09:28:09 AM
I think it's important to note that we are comparing Software and Firmware. If I want a gaming PC, I'm not tied down to using Steam, but if I wanted an XB1 I'd have no choice but to deal with their draconian ownership policies.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on June 08, 2013, 11:18:48 AM
-The Xbox One has competition. It's called the PS4. People (including myself) have stated we'll buy the PS4 over the XB1 so long as Sony doesn't pull the same shit. Hell, at this point the Wii U would offer up healthy competition.

Hell, even Nintendo is letting people transfer their old Wii VC wares onto the WiiU even if there's a nominal fee attached to the process (and given the discount given out for transferring, your sum total over the two consoles comes out to be even to the marked price of the exact software). And its not like the fee is for nothing either given the interface and performance upgrades.

So yes, even Nintendo are beginning to get their act together in regard to online services. This is no time for Microsoft to rest on their laurels like they have been by taking such regressive steps.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 08, 2013, 04:48:57 PM
Aren't steam games like dirt fucking cheap? Also, isn't steam a free to use service on existing PCs? Meaning no membership fees?

You all know that in order to use the cloud gaming service, you're gonna be paying for xbl gold. Yeah it's only 5 bucks a month, but now that's added to the game cost, which is still going to be 60 dollars per title. Another point, aren't pc titles generally 10-20 dollars cheaper than console variants?

Long story short steam wins because it isn't a massive ripoff.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 08, 2013, 06:05:18 PM
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and while I've never tried Steam in offline mode, I imagine that eventually it stops letting people play their games.

From what I can gather, the steam service itself either has no time limit on offline mode, or it requires once-a-month reverification.

Individual games might require a constant internet connection though.

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I don't think most $400 laptops will run games very well...

My laptop was under 300 and while it doesn't run games GREAT, it can handle, like Dark Souls just fine with some tweaking. And I don't even have a proper GPU. A 400 dollar laptop would definitely be QUITE serviceable for gaming. Actual gaming laptops are generally in the 500 to 1000 dollar range.

And the XBoxOne, based on the rumors I'm hearing, might also end up in the 500 to 1000 dollar range.

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Still, much like Kevadu, I just take issue with the implication that Steam is a 'free service,' because the price of entry is whatever you pay to get a PC capable for your own individual need.

Steam is a free service because there's no subscription fee for using steam. XBL is not a free service because it does entail a subscription fee.

There's nothing else to it.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on June 08, 2013, 08:55:13 PM
I think it's important to note that we are comparing Software and Firmware. If I want a gaming PC, I'm not tied down to using Steam, but if I wanted an XB1 I'd have no choice but to deal with their draconian ownership policies.

Yeah, that's how I pretty much took that point.  You can use Steam, but you could also use Origin (nope.avi), Amazon Direct Download, or direct from the manufacturer.

Aren't steam games like dirt fucking cheap? Also, isn't steam a free to use service on existing PCs? Meaning no membership fees?

You all know that in order to use the cloud gaming service, you're gonna be paying for xbl gold. Yeah it's only 5 bucks a month, but now that's added to the game cost, which is still going to be 60 dollars per title. Another point, aren't pc titles generally 10-20 dollars cheaper than console variants?

Long story short steam wins because it isn't a massive ripoff.

When it's on sale, yeah things can get pretty cheap.  I got Ys Origins for like 7 dollars.  I agree that people will probably have to pay for XBL Gold to use the cloud as well (mmm all that advertising).

Regardless exclusives or not, I'll definitely be passing on the Xbone.

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he XBoxOne, based on the rumors I'm hearing, might also end up in the 500 to 1000 dollar range.
Even at 500, that's gonna be a tough sell to people.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 08, 2013, 09:06:35 PM
Sounds like it's actually probably not going to be too expensive to manufacture either the X1 or the PS4 so they could probably top out at $400. Would be kind of amazing though if Microsoft also went "fuck reasonable pricing."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 08, 2013, 11:20:15 PM
The last time I stood behind a console entirely was the Dreamcast... we all know how that one ended up. Sony basically managed to kill the Dreamcast based entirely on the conference, and I'll admit that this time around I'm actually looking forward and hoping the same thing happens again.

I want MS to take the stage as Sega once did and show off all of their tv connectivity and game trade/sell/etc issues and announce a price of $499, and Sony to walk out a bit later and say "You can trade/sell games like always. $400."

If GE insisted you connect your fridge to the internet daily so they can do a security check, and you had to give them 10% in order to sell your old fridge the entire world would laugh at them. I don't pay the manufacturer or producer when I resell a couch, tv, bluray fridge, taco, shirt, etc...  and a game should be no different.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Haven on June 09, 2013, 12:02:11 AM
Sounds like it's actually probably not going to be too expensive to manufacture either the X1 or the PS4 so they could probably top out at $400. Would be kind of amazing though if Microsoft also went "fuck reasonable pricing."

So far, I would not be too shocked to see the most complete XB1 cost 599 or 649 USD. They also released a micro-laptop way behind the tablet market that was priced pretty high as the trend moved towards less expensive, smaller units.  Reasonable pricing does not seem to be a reasonable expectation.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 09, 2013, 12:52:45 AM
Sounds like it's actually probably not going to be too expensive to manufacture either the X1 or the PS4 so they could probably top out at $400. Would be kind of amazing though if Microsoft also went "fuck reasonable pricing."

So far, I would not be too shocked to see the most complete XB1 cost 599 or 649 USD. They also released a micro-laptop way behind the tablet market that was priced pretty high as the trend moved towards less expensive, smaller units.  Reasonable pricing does not seem to be a reasonable expectation.

Doesn't Microsoft sell their consoles at a loss? What if they try to get away from that? Windows 8 didn't have a terribly stellar launch. They could use some extra cashflow.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Esper_Crusader on June 09, 2013, 01:01:33 AM
If, in fact, the new consoles are more or less going PC style distribution, give us some sales like Steam does. It would go a long way to pacifying the masses. Its going to be an interesting ride over the next few years.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 09, 2013, 02:49:02 AM
Sounds like it's actually probably not going to be too expensive to manufacture either the X1 or the PS4 so they could probably top out at $400. Would be kind of amazing though if Microsoft also went "fuck reasonable pricing."

So far, I would not be too shocked to see the most complete XB1 cost 599 or 649 USD. They also released a micro-laptop way behind the tablet market that was priced pretty high as the trend moved towards less expensive, smaller units.  Reasonable pricing does not seem to be a reasonable expectation.

Doesn't Microsoft sell their consoles at a loss? What if they try to get away from that? Windows 8 didn't have a terribly stellar launch. They could use some extra cashflow.
Does the financial performance of Microsoft's gaming division have any impact on their PC development? I know they're trying to integrate all their OSes and devices into a cohesive whole, but it seems odd to me that it would.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 09, 2013, 03:04:51 AM
I'm thinking right now, all Sony has to do is just release their system as an upgraded PS3 with nothing new outside of possible 4k support for game titles in the future (though I believe they already said no to that), and they will have successfully destroyed MS this next generation. Microsoft's could save themselves if they dropped the system cost to fucking beans and just charged monthly fees for everything. Imagine a premium package service for xbone with full video on demand, sports on demand, and games for something like 30 bucks a month? Honestly, I could accept that as a solid service. 1 million people paying for said service a month, that's 30 mil a month. It's not too shabby on paper.

Most of the bitching about the used game shit is just because of pricing. This would solve that problem. Drm arguements would be alleviated, as it's established that it's a membership based service. Kinect's "always online" is still a problem, but meh. To be honest, I'd prefer MS get things right and advance gaming to new levels, not fuck shit up to new lows.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 09, 2013, 03:16:51 AM
Its going to be an interesting ride over the next few years.

"Interesting" is not the most appropriate word if you ask me...

I'd prefer MS get things right and advance gaming to new levels, not fuck shit up to new lows.

I've never honestly seen Microsoft interested in gaming. And I don't know how is there people out there still giving them the benefit of the doubt after all of this.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 09, 2013, 03:37:08 AM
Sounds like it's actually probably not going to be too expensive to manufacture either the X1 or the PS4 so they could probably top out at $400. Would be kind of amazing though if Microsoft also went "fuck reasonable pricing."

So far, I would not be too shocked to see the most complete XB1 cost 599 or 649 USD. They also released a micro-laptop way behind the tablet market that was priced pretty high as the trend moved towards less expensive, smaller units.  Reasonable pricing does not seem to be a reasonable expectation.

Doesn't Microsoft sell their consoles at a loss? What if they try to get away from that? Windows 8 didn't have a terribly stellar launch. They could use some extra cashflow.
Does the financial performance of Microsoft's gaming division have any impact on their PC development? I know they're trying to integrate all their OSes and devices into a cohesive whole, but it seems odd to me that it would.

Probably not directly, but a loss of income in one department is still a loss of income, and positive income in one department is still positive income. Investors get antsy if they see a lot of stuff not making money.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 09, 2013, 04:04:23 AM
Its going to be an interesting ride over the next few years.

"Interesting" is not the most appropriate word if you ask me...

I'd prefer MS get things right and advance gaming to new levels, not fuck shit up to new lows.

I've never honestly seen Microsoft interested in gaming. And I don't know how is there people out there still giving them the benefit of the doubt after all of this.
I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt, as the red ring fiasco established my dislike of MS in general. I'm simply saying that hoping for their imminent failure does nothing for any of us. If they fail, they go down kicking and screaming, pulling many people down with them. I'd rather see progress made over obvious failures.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Parn on June 09, 2013, 10:28:44 AM
I've never honestly seen Microsoft interested in gaming.

Then you weren't paying attention when the original Xbox debuted, nor were you paying attention with the Xbox 360's launch era.  J Allard and Robbie Bach cofounded Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices division, and they were passionate about what they did.  Xbox 360 launched with developer friendly tools, cutting-edge powerful hardware that was easy to develop for, and a cohesive, well-thought-out online gaming infrastructure that made PSN look like a giant clusterfuck when it debuted, and the achievement system that has become very loved by the gaming public.  It was so loved that Steam added one of their own, MMOs have incorporated them, and Sony shoehorned in one themselves.

The RROD was nasty, but that had more to do with the inability to use lead solder due to European Union requirements, which engineers failed to account for in both Xbox 360 and PS3.  The PS3's YLOD is a bit of an issue in the fat models, and it's the same core problem for both platforms with the lead-free solder and the inability to transfer heat from the GPU effectively.  For the record, I'm on my second Xbox 360 and PS3.

Microsoft actively courted Japan, desperately trying to get JRPGs onto the platform.  They had limited success, but for a time during the first three years or so, the Xbox 360 had more JRPGs than the PS3 did.  We can debate the quality of some of the titles of course, but Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean 4, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, and so forth were all available on Microsoft's platform.  Some were ported to the PS3 over time, but some were not.  Mass Effect was a thing thanks to Microsoft Game Studios putting forth the money as publisher.

You can argue the company's various missteps, but I don't see how anyone can say that Microsoft wasn't ever interested in gaming.  The evidence is there showing otherwise.  Hell, look at the reviews section for both platforms.  The list of available RPGs to play is respectable for both.

Allard and Bach both left Microsoft at the same time back in 2010.  It pretty much screamed "uh oh" and that the bean counters had taken over.  The end result is... well... pretty much what we have now.  Xbox Live, instead of innovating online gaming and staying ahead of the competition, has been surpassed by Sony's PS+ because Microsoft stopped working on new features.  Xbone was debuted with a focus on people that watch sports programming.  The platform doesn't have mature development tools.  The hardware isn't particularly impressive.

So yeah, Microsoft doesn't give the impression that they're interested in gaming anymore.  But they definitely used to be.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on June 09, 2013, 10:42:56 AM
Allard and Bach both left Microsoft at the same time back in 2010.  It pretty much screamed "uh oh" and that the bean counters had taken over.  The end result is... well... pretty much what we have now.  Xbox Live, instead of innovating online gaming and staying ahead of the competition, has been surpassed by Sony's PS+ because Microsoft stopped working on new features.  Xbone was debuted with a focus on people that watch sports programming.  The platform doesn't have mature development tools.  The hardware isn't particularly impressive.

So yeah, Microsoft doesn't give the impression that they're interested in gaming anymore.  But they definitely used to be.

This explains so much.

Like why the last 2 years of MS E3 conferences have been the exact same affair (just with an extra or larger integer following some titles than last year). Also explains the shoe commercial in the middle of the goddamn conference that ran for entirely too long last year as well.

Yeah, the XBone is XBoned.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 09, 2013, 04:58:39 PM
@Parn: Even with the story lesson I am not going to change my opinion.

And I know what they were doing years ago, and now all that effort seems to be thrown out of the window with Xbox One. It doesn't change anything.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: insertnamehere on June 09, 2013, 06:17:28 PM
I'm thinking right now, all Sony has to do is just release their system as an upgraded PS3 with nothing new outside of possible 4k support for game titles in the future (though I believe they already said no to that), and they will have successfully destroyed MS this next generation. Microsoft's could save themselves if they dropped the system cost to fucking beans and just charged monthly fees for everything. Imagine a premium package service for xbone with full video on demand, sports on demand, and games for something like 30 bucks a month? Honestly, I could accept that as a solid service.

30 per month would easily go over that $400 (in just over a year) estimate people keep using for it, that'd be even worse unless you planned to have it for a few months.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 09, 2013, 06:34:32 PM
@parn:

Windows as a gaming platform was also a major selling point for, er, Windows, too. Not necessarily one that Microsoft was actively driving -- I don't recall GFWL really gathering steam, pun completely intended, thanks in part due to Steam -- but if you were into PC gaming, the general assumption is that you'd go Windows.

And there's no way in hell Microsoft didn't know that.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 09, 2013, 06:44:58 PM
@Parn: Even with the story lesson I am not going to change my opinion.

Do you realize how completely absurd that sounds? "Well that doesn't change my opinion of what their opinions are!"?

What we could argue is WHO cared and how important they were, and it probably is safe to say the likes of Ballmer never cared, Mattrick probably cares some but is likely a businessman first and foremost, and likely those with a gaming passion are overridden more by the aforementioned bean counters. Likely a direct result of the mess RROD was and that profits aren't really THAT high. It's why I suspect Microsoft is most likely to jump out at a relatively low threshold: Nintendo mainly depends on games, it was one of Sony's better ventures to the point Kaz Hirai is now CEO, and Microsoft... Felt threatened by Sony, wanted to "take over the living room" before Sony settled in too comfortably, only to have Apple and Google invalidate that conflict entirely. If the X1 does badly enough I do imagine they'll go "so why are we here again?"
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 09, 2013, 07:19:36 PM
Do you realize how completely that sounds? "Well that doesn't my opinion of what their opinions are!"?

Sorry what?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 09, 2013, 07:36:43 PM
He saying how incredibly stupid your statement sounds. You refuse to change your opinion that MS has never been interested in gaming despite the obvious evidence to the contrary.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Parn on June 09, 2013, 07:38:29 PM
@Parn: Even with the story lesson I am not going to change my opinion.

And I know what they were doing years ago, and now all that effort seems to be thrown out of the window with Xbox One. It doesn't change anything.

Not going to change your opinion on what?  That Microsoft was never about gaming?  Because it's a stupid opinion and completely wrong.  You can "have an opinion" that the sun isn't absurdly hot and doesn't emit radiation despite the evidence, but you'd be 100% wrong.

I have no interest in convincing you to buy an Xbone considering I have no interest in it myself and actively want to see it fail until Microsoft adjusts their focus back to gaming.  But I'm not going to suddenly pretend like the Xbox 360 was shit all this time.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 09, 2013, 07:49:25 PM
Do you realize how completely that sounds? "Well that doesn't my opinion of what their opinions are!"?

Sorry what?

I forgot a word and slipped it in.

Context should still be there though: if they had that as an actual goal then there is no debating it, maybe you can doubt their sincerity but when you flippantly say "can't change my opinion" it like saying you claiming to not care what reality itself said.

And personally I don't even need a game FOCUS, just being game FRIENDLY, and this online garbage is arguably antagonistic to the medium entirely, especially when combined with the attitude to BC.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 09, 2013, 08:28:20 PM
Xbox 360 was and still is a piece of shit. It's just that enough the broken and fucked consoles got circulated out that it's only a piece of shit now, not a fucking xboned.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 09, 2013, 08:40:07 PM
He saying how incredibly stupid your statement sounds. You refuse to change your opinion that MS has never been interested in gaming despite the obvious evidence to the contrary.

Ah, that.

Not going to change your opinion on what?  That Microsoft was never about gaming?  Because it's a stupid opinion and completely wrong.  You can "have an opinion" that the sun isn't absurdly hot and doesn't emit radiation despite the evidence, but you'd be 100% wrong.

I forgot a word and slipped it in.

Context should still be there though: if they had that as an actual goal then there is no debating it, maybe you can doubt their sincerity but when you flippantly say "can't change my opinion" it like saying you claiming to not care what reality itself said.

Hm. :/

Maybe all of this comes from me never trusting their message and never being attracted in what they were offering with Xbox.

...I really need to stop saying 'never'. (._.')
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 09, 2013, 09:52:45 PM
Hm. :/

Maybe all of this comes from me never trusting their message and never being attracted in what they were offering with Xbox.

...I really need to stop saying 'never'. (._.')

Actually I mangled that more than I intended and so rewrote it somewhat, that was kind of a hasty post and edit.

Anyways, I assume you mean "I still doubt they really cared about games", and I think that may remain a valid view without getting to know them personally. However, even if they didn't really care about games they at least better got it, and in any case were probably given more freedom than the current people have. That understanding of how to treat gaming has more or less vanished since then, whereas Sony elevated one of the biggest SCE people to CEO, and in any case Sony's commonly been an company about consumer electronics and entertainment so gaming's sort of just an extension of that, and Nintendo came from being a toy/card company. Microsoft was software, namely productivity software, and it kinda shows more and more that gaming really was a fluke there for awhile, one that is likely to slip from their grasp, and frankly I really hope it does at least in regards to consoles as they crossed a line where a competitor is better off gone rather than staying around.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 10, 2013, 02:47:06 PM
So. $500.

Depending on Sony's price I think they may well be done in by that alone.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on June 10, 2013, 02:59:30 PM
So. $500.

Depending on Sony's price I think they may well be done in by that alone.

The PS3 came out at the same price and that didn't stop them. But the fact that they really didn't go into any of the accusations levied at the XBone doesn't inspire a lot of faith.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on June 10, 2013, 03:00:33 PM
Did they talk about their subscription model they were supposed to have? The one where you'd buy an xbone + gold for 2 years ?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Seultoria on June 10, 2013, 03:01:10 PM
@Aeolus Yeah, but the PS3 came out when people actually had jobs and shit. $500 in this economy is asking a lot, given the ample number of alternatives to the Xbone that didn't exist when the PS3 came out.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on June 10, 2013, 03:08:05 PM
They are absolutely batshit insane charging 430 pounds for this thing in the UK. That is more expensive then the original ps3
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 10, 2013, 03:10:45 PM
@Aeolus Yeah, but the PS3 came out when people actually had jobs and shit. $500 in this economy is asking a lot, given the ample number of alternatives to the Xbone that didn't exist when the PS3 came out.
That price tag won't dissuade anyone, considering the original xbox 360 was 400 bucks. This includes the kinect hardware, so 500 bucks is easily acceptable. If anything, it sounds to be a respectable buy for a launch console. Now if they went for the 600+ marker, I'd have written MS off for good, this gives them at least a foothold for this generation coming. If Sony unveils their system at anything under 500 though, consider Xbox One boned for good.

The euro price tag however...yeah, MS is the Sega of the US now in terms of not giving a fuck about anyone elsewhere.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 10, 2013, 03:22:48 PM
Given everything else about the XB1, Microsoft clearly only wants Americans buying the console, so don't be so surprised.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 10, 2013, 03:42:53 PM
@Aeolus Yeah, but the PS3 came out when people actually had jobs and shit. $500 in this economy is asking a lot, given the ample number of alternatives to the Xbone that didn't exist when the PS3 came out.

And it was still a significant deterrent in favor of the (usually) better performing and cheaper 360, nevermind the Wii's novelty, and there was also the blu-ray factor.

Another way to look at is Sony went from first place to roughly tied over the 360 with this, and before this X1 shitstorm it was probably viewed as either the biggest screw up for a console launch or second biggest after the Saturn (that probably still reigns king.) They screwed up pretty badly yet STILL held their own, you think Microsoft can do the same when they're not high above everyone else except maybe in mindshare for English speaking territories?

But like said it depends on Sony. If they can come in at roughly the X1's price then it's a moot point.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on June 10, 2013, 04:08:00 PM
I'm really curious to see what Sony says at their conference. At this point, the buzz certainly has them as the favored horse in this generation of consoles.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: pseudonym on June 10, 2013, 08:01:00 PM
Sony is already ahead with consumers considering the boneheaded moves that Microsoft has made, but they would definitely put the nail in the coffin if they reveal that it is cheaper than the Xbone.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on June 10, 2013, 08:26:55 PM
That room is going to deflate like a popped balloon if Sony announces DRM for their console or used games.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Esper_Crusader on June 10, 2013, 08:44:27 PM
Its still going to be a two console market after all the dust settles.Not counting the WiiU.. It would take a string of catastrophic failures to sink the xbone or ps4. I never understand why people want to see consoles fail. Its silly.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 10, 2013, 08:52:17 PM
I never understand why people want to see consoles fail. Its silly.

You HAVE been following this DRM stuff, right? There's a reason people like me actually want to see this happen, and I'm not one that really ever wanted that before; it's a terrible idea to have on a closed platform and I want the notion it's acceptable to die painfully, especially that 24 hour dialing home crap. This would be an issue with Sony or Nintendo as well.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on June 10, 2013, 09:14:53 PM
Exactly - I would like there to be some line in the sand where consumers actually say "You know what?  This is not OK.  I'm not going to purchase your product if you're this committed to invading my privacy and stopping me from playing your games when I want to and buying them where I want to."

I know that this is not a possibility.  There is no universe in which that will happen.  But I'd love it if there were.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Esper_Crusader on June 10, 2013, 09:28:31 PM
I never said I was a fan of always on but its not a deal-breaker for me. I knew it was coming sooner or later so I've chosen to deal with it. Otherwise, what? Boycott the system and miss out on some great games? No thanks. If Sony goes the same route, so be it. I'm going to end up with both consoles probably within the next year. I see only minor issues that aren't going to alter the gaming experience. But hey, that's me.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 10, 2013, 10:12:22 PM
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Otherwise, what? Boycott the system and miss out on some great games?

Boycott the system and actually get through my backlog for once. Do you how many PSX games I have accumulated over the past year and a half? Do you know how many of those I've actually PLAYED?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on June 10, 2013, 10:14:59 PM
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Otherwise, what? Boycott the system and miss out on some great games?

Boycott the system and get better systems later when they realize why they failed so hard.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on June 10, 2013, 10:20:04 PM
Honestly, the always-on Kinect is a much bigger dealbreaker for me than the once-a-day internet requirement.  I never want any of my devices doing things because they think I told them to, and I absolutely never want them watching me.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 10, 2013, 11:11:18 PM
I never said I was a fan of always on but its not a deal-breaker for me. I knew it was coming sooner or later so I've chosen to deal with it.

No more used or physical games and requiring an internet connection PERIOD? That was probably inevitable. Requiring an internet connection ALL THE TIME? No, that wasn't inevitable, or at least it should never have been a necessity short of going all multiplayer for games (or at least streaming all the time.) It's absurd and unnecessary to protect their games, and as such I want nothing to do with it.

Fortunately, Sony's given a handy out.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on June 10, 2013, 11:55:24 PM
I never said I was a fan of always on but its not a deal-breaker for me. I knew it was coming sooner or later so I've chosen to deal with it. Otherwise, what? Boycott the system and miss out on some great games? No thanks.

If it's a Microsoft game, probably a fairly good chance they'll end up on PC eventually which is where I will then pick them up.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 10, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
I didn't want the xbone to fail, MS did by doing everything they did.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: pseudonym on June 11, 2013, 12:03:45 AM
I didn't want the xbone to fail, MS did by doing everything they did.

For sure. Competition is good for the consumer, but Microsoft being this badly mismanaged practically begs for a good kick in the rear. They deserve to get beat for being so disconnected.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on June 11, 2013, 12:12:26 AM
I never said I was a fan of always on but its not a deal-breaker for me. I knew it was coming sooner or later so I've chosen to deal with it. Otherwise, what? Boycott the system and miss out on some great games? No thanks.

If it's a Microsoft game, probably a fairly good chance they'll end up on PC eventually which is where I will then pick them up.

You know, I somehow suspect that most, if not all that Microsoft showed this year, will end up on another platform within a year of its release.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Legaia on June 11, 2013, 12:17:11 AM
So it's confirmed that the PS4 has a $399 pricetag, will be able to play used games, won't require users to check in periodically, and won't stop working if you haven't authenticated in 24 hours.

So...yeah, what's the point of buying a glorified television that turns into a rock without an internet connection? Especially when Sony has none of those huge drawbacks that Xbone has.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 11, 2013, 12:18:52 AM
So it's confirmed that the PS4 has a $399 pricetag, will be able to play used games, won't require users to check in periodically, and won't stop working if you haven't authenticated in 24 hours.

So...yeah, what's the point of buying a glorified television that turns into a rock without an internet connection? Especially when Sony has none of those huge drawbacks that Xbone has.

Getting Halo or some other exclusive you want, sticking with where all your friends are going, being ignorant, or just being thick/mindlessly loyal to Microsoft.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 11, 2013, 12:26:56 AM
This is hilarious. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfdWfUvNZ9A)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on June 11, 2013, 12:29:08 AM
I wonder if they had a used game DRM plan in the works, but nixed it because of the Xbone backlash thinking that nixing it could provide a competitive advantage over the Xbone.  I guess we'll never know, but I suppose the end result is all that really matters.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 11, 2013, 12:36:51 AM
What I was hearing was that they were considering offline DRM, probably that RFID thing that was patented. I wonder if complications arose, they were going to scrap it regardless, or if they saw a golden opportunity to go all out on Microsoft, but regardless it's a win for us.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 11, 2013, 01:14:29 AM
Would the offline RFID thing amounted to basically being a permanent CD key or something? That sounds reasonable.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on June 11, 2013, 01:28:23 AM
Try to take away my ability to buy and sell used games from places like Ebay and Amazon... well FU Xbone. PS4 here I come.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on June 11, 2013, 08:53:40 AM
Yeah, so it turns out Killer Instinct is free to play.

And only one character is free.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/11/killer-instinct-reboot-is-free-to-play-only-one-character-is-free/
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on June 11, 2013, 09:08:03 AM
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You'll have to connect to the Internet in order to authorize that code, and the code can only be used once. Once you use it, that game will then be linked to your Xbox Live account. "It sits on your hard drive and you have permission to play that game as long as you'd like.

You'll have to pay a fee and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game in order to use a game's code on a friend's account.

xbone

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The Xbox One will still feature regional locks.

Wat R U Doin?

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Killer Instinct is a day-one digital-only release on Xbox One, and features one character. Jago is free to play on launch day. Everyone else -- unspecified returning characters as well as original fighters -- will cost money. Price is to-be-determined.

xbone

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Asian gamers will apparently have to wait those six months, plus an additional twelve, to pick up their Xbox One. According to Alan Bowman, Microsoft's Regional VP for Sales and Marketing in Asia, the new console will launch in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea and India around late 2014. (Note the lack of Japan on that list)

Stahp!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Esper_Crusader on June 11, 2013, 09:55:07 AM
Well, again, it doesn't corcern me all that much personally but given Sony's stand on the isuues not to mention the indie support and price...MS is in a pickle right now.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on June 11, 2013, 10:08:05 AM
Stahp!

I'm not usually a fan of this particular meme... but it's pretty fitting in this case.

(And congrats on making 2000 posts, even though you missed it.)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on June 12, 2013, 11:18:16 AM
Yeah, so it turns out Killer Instinct is free to play.

And only one character is free.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/11/killer-instinct-reboot-is-free-to-play-only-one-character-is-free/

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/12/rare-isnt-making-killer-instinct-double-helix-games-is/

And it turns out that Rare isn't even actually making the game.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on June 12, 2013, 11:20:45 AM
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/06/12
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lucca on June 12, 2013, 11:37:30 AM
SO DID YOU GUYS HEAR?! :D

If you don't have internet access, that's okay! Microsoft has a solution!

A X360!

....Yeah.

EDIT: Original link pulled down. Try this! http://youtu.be/DxkEe_l7S3g (http://youtu.be/DxkEe_l7S3g)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on June 12, 2013, 11:57:23 AM
SO DID YOU GUYS HEAR?! :D

If you don't have internet access, that's okay! Microsoft has a solution!

A X360!

....Yeah.

http://youtu.be/jzmVcasl3ZU (http://youtu.be/jzmVcasl3ZU)

I saw that and burst out laughing. It's unbelievable that they could unknowingly make so many gaffes one after the other, but the PS3 launch wasn't that long ago.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 12, 2013, 12:22:43 PM
E3 2013: Microsoft's Don Mattrick Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTAKSBvuT-A) -- GameTrailers, YouTube
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 12, 2013, 03:52:45 PM
Yeah... that from the division president was really the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 12, 2013, 04:04:38 PM
The fact that he literally said if you have no broadband, get a 360 shows.how much of a schmuck he is.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Legaia on June 12, 2013, 04:32:22 PM
The douche levels of that guy are incalculably high.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on June 12, 2013, 05:00:32 PM
The douche levels of that guy are incalculably high.

Yep.  Never liked that guy.  He looks sleazy as hell to boot.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 12, 2013, 06:34:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AEzwCNN.jpg)

XBOX ONE summarized (http://en.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1g7hbl/xbox_one_summarized/) -- reddit
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on June 12, 2013, 06:45:51 PM
How could A guy that high up in the food chain be that stupid as to say something like that on camera?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 12, 2013, 07:20:02 PM
Because that's what they wanted him to say? Why do you think they're releasing a new XBox 360 model only six months before the new console is due.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 12, 2013, 07:46:15 PM
Xbox One to only work in certain countries at launch (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/06/xbox-one-to-only-work-in-certain.html) -- All Games Beta
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 12, 2013, 08:19:59 PM
Hahaha! Oh man, this just keeps getting better. If I was Jack Tretton I'd be feeling a little guilty at this point. Like I just punched my rival in the face only to find out he has terminal cancer.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 12, 2013, 08:26:23 PM
^You're gonna love this. (http://i.imgur.com/tvXzEGE.png)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Starmongoose on June 12, 2013, 08:35:17 PM
The rabbits on Kunoshima Island will be thrilled that they can use the PS4.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on June 12, 2013, 08:38:42 PM
OK, how can you seriously fuck everything up this badly...
It's almost a special power at this point.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 12, 2013, 09:00:13 PM
No Japan support? O_O
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 12, 2013, 09:49:50 PM
Microsoft: Because Fuck Portugal!

XBox One: Remember the 360? Wasn't That Great? You Should Buy A 360!

--- edit ---

Oh god wait. The XBox One doesn't have backwards compatibility. Jesus christ they really are trying to sell both at once.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on June 12, 2013, 11:32:21 PM
The rabbits on Kunoshima Island will be thrilled that they can use the PS4.

So will the Monks in Nepal
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on June 13, 2013, 10:01:42 AM
The rabbits on Kunoshima Island will be thrilled that they can use the PS4.

So will the Monks in Nepal

Congrats China! You don't even get to play a console made in your own country by your own fellow countrymen. At least you can still use every other electronic device ever made and assembled in your sweatshop factories.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on June 13, 2013, 10:14:37 AM
No Japan support? O_O

I'm actually a little surprised it's not launching in Korea, considering the internet infrastructure here.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 13, 2013, 02:30:46 PM
Microsoft's Don Mattrick stands silent as George Lucas and Steven Spielberg diss video games but praise Kinect (http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/06/13/microsofts-don-mattrick-stands-silent-as-george-lucas-and-steven-spielberg-diss-video-games-but-praise-kinect/) -- Source: DualShockers

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2rm82dj.gif)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 13, 2013, 09:28:27 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMqF-7LCcAAyWvl.jpg

More proof that the XBox One is actually the most obtuse XBox 360 ad campaign in history.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on June 13, 2013, 09:40:19 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMqF-7LCcAAyWvl.jpg

More proof that the XBox One is actually the most obtuse XBox 360 ad campaign in history.

Proof that the Nivida Shield is more portable than an XBone. In fact, its likely to be straight up better than the XBone.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 15, 2013, 01:05:30 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/fWpJY1n.jpg)

source (https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/345338828606812160)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 15, 2013, 01:12:04 AM
Please tell me that's a joke account.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on June 15, 2013, 01:32:45 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/fWpJY1n.jpg)

source[url]
 (https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/345338828606812160)
*Insert Neogaf Aoi no Hana nope gif here*
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on June 15, 2013, 01:37:55 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/fWpJY1n.jpg)

source (https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/345338828606812160)

:golfclap:

They should've sent a poet, for there are no words.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 15, 2013, 01:50:19 AM
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-Were-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html

Reiterating: I don't care about modern game consoles. The next systems I buy are going to be a 3DS and a Vita (or a replacement original XBox if I can't get mine fixed up). The next generation really is not /interesting/ to me, on a personal level.

But I do love a trainwreck.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 15, 2013, 03:32:29 AM
But I do love a trainwreck.

I can't turn away. The comments on MS shooting itself in the foot has been going on for a while... I've seen companies shoot themselves in the foot before. It's funny, but nothing big. I've never seen a company reload and shoot themselves this many times. I can't point to a single thing they've done and say "Well that one was a great decision, at least!" This is just crazy.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on June 15, 2013, 03:41:15 AM
http://gimmegimmegames.com/2013/06/xbox-one-may-not-be-able-to-be-sold-used/
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 15, 2013, 03:41:48 AM
But I do love a trainwreck.

I can't turn away. The comments on MS shooting itself in the foot has been going on for a while... I've seen companies shoot themselves in the foot before. It's funny, but nothing big. I've never seen a company reload and shoot themselves this many times. I can't point to a single thing they've done and say "Well that one was a great decision, at least!" This is just crazy.

It's not so much that they're shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly it's that they're like NNNNGHYA THAT FELT SO GOOOOOD every time they do it, before hastily reloading while salivating lustily.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 15, 2013, 03:48:02 AM
http://gimmegimmegames.com/2013/06/xbox-one-may-not-be-able-to-be-sold-used/

Some idiot/troll/complete asshole deliberately cut off the rest of that conversation where it was concluded, yes, you COULD sell a used Xbox One console.

Then this idiot wrote a story about that without verifying. So, no, for once we have a false alarm.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on June 15, 2013, 03:54:21 AM
http://gimmegimmegames.com/2013/06/xbox-one-may-not-be-able-to-be-sold-used/

Some idiot/troll/complete asshole deliberately cut off the rest of that conversation where it was concluded, yes, you COULD sell a used Xbox One console.

Then this idiot wrote a story about that without verifying. So, no, for once we have a false alarm.
Wow, a false alarm for once.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 15, 2013, 04:02:58 AM
For reference here's the entire chain. (https://twitter.com/ryanjs242004/status/344919257462747138)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 15, 2013, 04:20:04 AM
But I do love a trainwreck.

I can't turn away. The comments on MS shooting itself in the foot has been going on for a while... I've seen companies shoot themselves in the foot before. It's funny, but nothing big. I've never seen a company reload and shoot themselves this many times. I can't point to a single thing they've done and say "Well that one was a great decision, at least!" This is just crazy.

It's not so much that they're shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly it's that they're like NNNNGHYA THAT FELT SO GOOOOOD every time they do it, before hastily reloading while salivating lustily.

I have to give you points for that. I admit, I peed a little when I read/pictured it.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 15, 2013, 04:27:51 AM
http://gimmegimmegames.com/2013/06/xbox-one-may-not-be-able-to-be-sold-used/

Some idiot/troll/complete asshole deliberately cut off the rest of that conversation where it was concluded, yes, you COULD sell a used Xbox One console.

Then this idiot wrote a story about that without verifying. So, no, for once we have a false alarm.

Good to note, although I do wonder if there might be some gotcha with second-hand consoles. That question WAS specifically about selling it, after all, and not about buying a used one. I don't really see how they could charge a reactivation fee or anything, considering you can, apparently, use your XBL account on any console, but given the financial situation at Microsoft and consoles being sold at a lost, I can imagine they'd LIKE to recoup money from people buying the system used.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 15, 2013, 09:35:32 AM
Trainwreck or not, I did get a disgusting amount of pre-orders yesterday at work for the Xbone. Mind you, I live next to a snobbish upperclass neighborhood full of kids whose parents will buy them whatever they want without a care in the world what it is and grown manchildren who have enough old money that they really don't care what they throw it at, but it does show that the XB1 has a market.

Like my boss said, though, the WiiU also sold fairly well at launch up to Xmas and then plummeted after people had realized what they got themselves into.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 15, 2013, 02:17:27 PM
Trainwreck or not, I did get a disgusting amount of pre-orders yesterday at work for the Xbone. Mind you, I live next to a snobbish upperclass neighborhood full of kids whose parents will buy them whatever they want without a care in the world what it is and grown manchildren who have enough old money that they really don't care what they throw it at, but it does show that the XB1 has a market.

Like my boss said, though, the WiiU also sold fairly well at launch up to Xmas and then plummeted after people had realized what they got themselves into.

That's actually encouraging, the screaming spoiled children on Live were the only ones I hoped wouldn't end up on PSN.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on June 15, 2013, 05:07:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fWpJY1n.jpg)

source (https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/345338828606812160) (account ban = sayonara to your games)

Not too surprising.  Just another reason to avoid.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-Were-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html

Reiterating: I don't care about modern game consoles. The next systems I buy are going to be a 3DS and a Vita (or a replacement original XBox if I can't get mine fixed up). The next generation really is not /interesting/ to me, on a personal level.

But I do love a trainwreck.

Assuming they are using the absolute lowest GTX 700 series card, they are still using a card that retails for the exact same price as a PS4.  A card that is definitely well above whatever is ultimately used in the Xbone.  Pretty shady.  Wonder if more news outlets will catch this.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 15, 2013, 05:25:48 PM
/r/games interview with Xbox Live's Major Nelson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lMhjM9BK7M) -- RedditGames, YouTube
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 15, 2013, 05:53:50 PM
/r/games interview with Xbox Live's Major Nelson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lMhjM9BK7M) -- RedditGames, YouTube

I love that interview.

"You can't play disk based games from the disk without the internet check because we designed the system to be flexible."

Being able to say that with a straight face, he really is their best at PR.

*edit*

Another major nelson interview, this time with Angry Joe. Angry Joe doesn't seem to being overly rude other than the fact that he talks too much... but Major Nelson gets clearly pissed. Least professional Major Nelson interview I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on June 16, 2013, 01:52:47 AM
Damn I don't like seeing anyone fail but this seems like it's going to be one of the biggest technological and commercial blunders ever. It feels like they're trying to strip consumer rights away and I'll be voting with my wallet.

Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 16, 2013, 02:02:23 AM
Damn I don't like seeing anyone fail but this seems like it's going to be one of the biggest technological and commercial blunders ever. It feels like they're trying to strip consumer rights away and I'll be voting with my wallet.



Well, it helps that Microsoft as a whole certainly won't go down. The Xbox related people in their Entertainment division, maybe, but I suspect/hope most of them would have relatively little trouble finding a new job (nevermind that Don Mattrick came out of retirement at the behest of Robbie Bach wanting him to come to Microsoft, so he could probably just go "well that was fun" and return to retirement.)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 16, 2013, 02:29:19 PM
I guess Sony won that poll Amazon had going... 38,984 to 2,162. Yet another thing I don't remember ever seeing before.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Grabs-95-Consumer-Votes-Amazon-Ends-Poll-Early-56766.html
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 16, 2013, 02:52:00 PM
I guess Sony won that poll Amazon had going... 38,984 to 2,162. Yet another thing I don't remember ever seeing before.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Grabs-95-Consumer-Votes-Amazon-Ends-Poll-Early-56766.html

(http://i.imgur.com/WPsADsQ.gif)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on June 16, 2013, 04:41:29 PM
I guess Sony won that poll Amazon had going... 38,984 to 2,162. Yet another thing I don't remember ever seeing before.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Grabs-95-Consumer-Votes-Amazon-Ends-Poll-Early-56766.html

Lmao.  Well, if you're an Xbox lover you do get these:
(http://qbism.com/modules/auto_thumb/thumbs/75513_256299-aaheade_thumb.jpg)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 16, 2013, 05:06:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/kjjYpwI.jpg)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on June 16, 2013, 05:21:44 PM
MMmmmmm I hope they taste like ground up plastic and heavy metals

Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Esper_Crusader on June 17, 2013, 01:22:39 AM
man....I am still trying to process how this all happened.  I wonder if Microsoft is scrambling to fix this shit show right now. I'm asumming that they are either frantically working to revamp the console right now or....something..

Surely they cant be thinking that this lame duck is favored right now.  Its gonna tank hard unless they do something. Fast.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 17, 2013, 01:48:44 AM
It'd be sort of hilarious if the XBone hits with all the impact of an... NGage.

At which point I become immediately aware of the passing of time and this is some serious Chekhov shit.

Lordy.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on June 17, 2013, 02:43:03 AM
It'd be sort of hilarious if the XBone hits with all the impact of an... NGage.

At which point I become immediately aware of the passing of time and this is some serious Chekhov shit.

Lordy.

Nevermind the NGage. This is beginning to feel like they're trying to pull a Gizmondo on us. It almost seems like its just a matter of time before someone comes clean and tells us that the Xbone is an elaborate scam meant to milk the 360's fanbase for all its worth before departing from the gaming industry.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ranadiel on June 17, 2013, 06:53:26 AM
man....I am still trying to process how this all happened.  I wonder if Microsoft is scrambling to fix this shit show right now. I'm asumming that they are either frantically working to revamp the console right now or....something..

Surely they cant be thinking that this lame duck is favored right now.  Its gonna tank hard unless they do something. Fast.

I'm honestly not sure that anyone at Microsoft really cares at the moment. Microsoft was clearly aiming for a specific demographic (for lack of a better term the bro demographic.....and the demographic of non-gamers who like to yell at their television), and they very well may believe that that demographic is not well represented in these polls. So in their minds, I could totally see them thinking "Everything is fine, these people (heathens) just don't understand the glory of our new system. However once the people the system is built for get ahold of it, then everyone will understand the glory."

The question at this point is how their core demographic really is taking all this news. The only person I know who is close to their desired demographics has indicated that he is leaning towards a PS4 at the moment. That is hardly definitive evidence, but it is all I've got at the moment. I really just don't get the logic behind the Xbone strategy, I feel like they are aiming for moderate success with minimal costs, but that they are messing that up and going to fail to get even that.....I really don't know. Only reason I am even paying attention to the Xbone at the moment is that I feel like this is going to be (already is?) one of those instances that will become a marketing text book example some day, and those are always interesting to watch in real time.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 17, 2013, 12:38:46 PM
I don't even understand their core demographic. American gamers who love TV and sports and wish they could use their gaming controller to control their tv browsing so they don't have to go to all the hassle of hitting "Input"... but who also don't mind a system that has weakened gaming potential due to the 3 OS ram hogging... and who don't mind needing several external hard drives if they want an on hand game collection (Going with last 3 generations game size we're looking at 40gb average game size and 250+gb top end game size).... and who enjoy or at least want Kinect.

That seems to be a very narrow group of people to target... and while on one hand it's easy to say a family would love all these different abilities on the more realistic hand a family would love all these things, but not when only one person can be using any of the features at a time. I can understand targeting the casual market, but this seems like they were torn between focusing on gamers and focusing on casual and the end result isn't perfect for either.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 17, 2013, 01:18:58 PM
Yeah, the problem is that demographic doesn't know about any of those downsides. And even if you told them about them, they wouldn't understand nor feel the need to understand why they're being completely fucked over. Their response would be along the lines of "...but it's still got Halo, right?"
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 17, 2013, 02:11:42 PM
Judging by polls and presale chart ranking I think the blind and unquestioning demographic is smaller than anticipated.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 17, 2013, 03:26:12 PM
Judging by polls and presale chart ranking I think the blind and unquestioning demographic is smaller than anticipated.

Or they wait closer to launch.

Though they'd probably see $500 and forget about it before finding out ANYTHING else.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: unsmashable_pumpkin on June 17, 2013, 05:19:54 PM
man....I am still trying to process how this all happened.  I wonder if Microsoft is scrambling to fix this shit show right now. I'm asumming that they are either frantically working to revamp the console right now or....something..

Surely they cant be thinking that this lame duck is favored right now.  Its gonna tank hard unless they do something. Fast.

I think/hope they will try to revamp their PR spin at least. The last week has NOT been particularly stellar for them, but I don't think they will try revamping the hardware until they can actually see an influence on sales. For now I think they are just banking on the consumer being relatively poorly informed, or just not giving a fuck. They probably assume the mindshare of the Xbox branding in the US and the hassle associated with migrating to a new online eco-system (friends-lists etc) will be enough to pull them through.
I suspect there will be more speculative and optimistic, but incredibly vague statements about the family-sharing system etc to try to get some better press.

That Major Nelson interview is such a hideous display of arrogance and abominable fashion sense.

"Did you see titanfall?
enough said.
conversation over."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on June 17, 2013, 06:02:05 PM
My guess is that Eusis is right, and that the price point will be the most important question to a fair number of consumers.  And whether they think $500 is a fair price will be the determiner.

If sales don't go well, MS will drop their price down at some point after the initial release, but making changes to the things people like us are actually upset about will be the last, desperate act they'd try.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 17, 2013, 06:22:28 PM
My guess is that Eusis is right, and that the price point will be the most important question to a fair number of consumers.  And whether they think $500 is a fair price will be the determiner.

If sales don't go well, MS will drop their price down at some point after the initial release, but making changes to the things people like us are actually upset about will be the last, desperate act they'd try.

The fun thing is with the Kinect bundled I don't see how they could drop the price without underselling losing money. The kinect 2 actually is an impressive bit of hardware and the dev and production costs for it have to be fairly high. Since the One is said to not work without it, it sounds like they'd have a hard time doing that, or have to patch the system to work without the kinect and then drop it to lower the price.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 17, 2013, 07:45:32 PM
Xbox One "overdelivers value" (http://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-xbox-one-overdelivers-value--256472.phtml), says MS's Don Mattrick.

How deep can you dig this hole for yourself, MS?  The specific complaints may differ, but the way they're approaching this is so much like 2006 Sony that it's like these guys haven't learned a single damn thing from history.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 17, 2013, 08:11:10 PM
My guess is that Eusis is right, and that the price point will be the most important question to a fair number of consumers.  And whether they think $500 is a fair price will be the determiner.

If sales don't go well, MS will drop their price down at some point after the initial release, but making changes to the things people like us are actually upset about will be the last, desperate act they'd try.

The fun thing is with the Kinect bundled I don't see how they could drop the price without underselling losing money. The kinect 2 actually is an impressive bit of hardware and the dev and production costs for it have to be fairly high. Since the One is said to not work without it, it sounds like they'd have a hard time doing that, or have to patch the system to work without the kinect and then drop it to lower the price.

They're almost certainly already selling the XBox One either at a loss or with low profit margins.

They can't go cheaper without killing the mandatory kinect, and even then they still might be stuck at 500.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 17, 2013, 08:42:12 PM
Selling systems at a loss is hardly unprecedented, though.  Despite the $600 price tag Sony was losing $200 per PS3 when it launched.  Was that a good strategy or not I don't know but if you want to shove something expensive down consumer's throats (in Sony's case it was blu-ray...) then it's not totally unreasonable to take a hit.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 17, 2013, 10:00:42 PM
People actually wanted a blu-ray player though. The Kinect is... far more niche.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 17, 2013, 11:39:14 PM
People actually wanted a blu-ray player though. The Kinect is... far more niche.

Very niche. My wife and I got one to play games she might like together. We play the sports dart game once or twice a year. That's it. Even she thought everything else was gimmicky shit and she's a Facebook 'gamer'.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 18, 2013, 04:01:48 PM
People actually wanted a blu-ray player though. The Kinect is... far more niche.

They also probalby predicted it'd have value as a game medium, and they were right, though any game that needs that space usually also needs to sell millions and it'd be safer to hit both systems, and so it was only later on that it really became important when they finally started going "fuck it" and released multi-disc 360 games on a frequent basis.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 18, 2013, 08:55:43 PM
So there have been unboxings of the new Xbox 360 superslim and apparently it's missing some pretty basic AV outputs.  It's either shitty old composite or full HDMI, with no support of component cables or optical audio.  It's a weird decision.  I know they want to push HDMI for the Xbox One, but composite cables are still pretty high quality and there are a lot of people out there using them.

And then there's the optical audio issue.  Personally, when I bought my receiver support of the audio part of HDMI was still fairly rare.  I don't know if this has changed now (I'm not really in the market for a receiver), but the way it works is that it supports HDMI video, but basically just as a pass-through.  It doesn't have the DSPs to split the audio and video signals, so for audio support you have to plug in a separate optical audio cable.  This is something I considered a minor inconvenience at most.  Every device I've ever worked with that does HDMI has the ability to output HDMI video with optical audio.  The quality of optical audio is just as good, so all it really meant is that you needed another cable.

But if somebody with a receiver like mine (which I was under the impression was quite common when I got my receiver, maybe that's changed...) wanted to get a 360 superslim their choices are either no audio (well, they could go straight to the TV speakers I guess, but it wouldn't use your home theater system...) or shitty composite video with only two channel audio.  That's ridiculous.  I guess your third option is to buy a new receiver that supports HDMI audio, but good receivers are expensive.

The 360 superslim is literally the first device I have ever heard of that can do HDMI video but not optical audio.  I have to wonder if that's a sign of things to come.  Is the Xbox One going to be like that too?  I suspect so, and likely because of the way they're pushing the TV input stuff.  They want everyone to use all-HDMI because it simplifies the inputs.  The problem is, not everyone is using all-HDMI and rather than trying to adapt to the needs of consumers MS seems to expect consumers to bend over backwards for them.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 18, 2013, 09:16:28 PM
How can it not have component? Don't those use the same output port as composite?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 18, 2013, 09:19:07 PM
The outputs are all different on the new model (and it's not like they switched to standard ports either...) because...why not...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 18, 2013, 09:19:27 PM
That makes ZERO sense.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 18, 2013, 09:35:18 PM
The outputs are all different on the new model (and it's not like they switched to standard ports either...) because...why not...
It's probably a proprietary cable you have to buy afterwards. I know my xbob came with a composite cable with some RIDICULOUS fucking huge connection to the xbob, so maybe it's something similar in this case. Honestly, no system has ever come with anything above a standard composite cable set.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 18, 2013, 09:36:01 PM
The back of the Xbox One shows optical output, so they're just being dumb. Though I don't think the Wii U has optical out either.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 18, 2013, 10:18:24 PM
Though I don't think the Wii U has optical out either.

Seriously?  I guess I'm not getting a Wii U...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 18, 2013, 10:23:45 PM
Though I don't think the Wii U has optical out either.

Seriously?  I guess I'm not getting a Wii U...
I'll save you time, it does not, though it does have an hdmi out.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on June 18, 2013, 10:31:25 PM
Though I don't think the Wii U has optical out either.

Seriously?  I guess I'm not getting a Wii U...

Does it really matter for virtual console games and super smash bros. etc? Get a grip
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on June 18, 2013, 10:36:47 PM
I know they want to push HDMI for the Xbox One, but component cables are still pretty high quality and there are a lot of people out there using them.

My TV doesn't have enough HDMI ports for all of my devices, so I still use component as well as HDMI.  When I did the research back when I bought my TV, everything said that HDMI and component produce equal quailty, and that whether one or the other looks better from a given device depends only on how optimized the device is for each output format. 

(Edited to fix my earlier mistake.  Kevadu also meant to say component.)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 18, 2013, 10:50:37 PM
I know they want to push HDMI for the Xbox One, but composite cables are still pretty high quality and there are a lot of people out there using them.

My TV doesn't have enough HDMI ports for all of my devices, so I still use composite as well as HDMI.  When I did the research back when I bought my TV, everything said that HDMI and composite produce equal quailty, and that whether one or the other looks better from a given device depends only on how optimized the device is for each output format. 
Um....you guys realize composite is BASIC yellow video-red/white two channel audio, right? I assume you all mean component and are just mistyping.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 18, 2013, 10:54:25 PM
Um....you guys realize composite is BASIC yellow video-red/white two channel audio, right? I assume you all mean component and are just mistyping.

Yeah, I was wondering what the fuck they were talking about. Component can be equal to HDMI, but composite? I can't stand it on my SNES to my HDTV, I have to use S-Video, then it just looks like the Vita's Bilinear filtering on PSP/PS1 games.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on June 18, 2013, 11:02:31 PM
Um....you guys realize composite is BASIC yellow video-red/white two channel audio, right? I assume you all mean component and are just mistyping.

Oops - yes, that is indeed what I meant.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 18, 2013, 11:08:26 PM
I know they want to push HDMI for the Xbox One, but composite cables are still pretty high quality and there are a lot of people out there using them.

My TV doesn't have enough HDMI ports for all of my devices, so I still use composite as well as HDMI.  When I did the research back when I bought my TV, everything said that HDMI and composite produce equal quailty, and that whether one or the other looks better from a given device depends only on how optimized the device is for each output format. 
Um....you guys realize composite is BASIC yellow video-red/white two channel audio, right? I assume you all mean component and are just mistyping.

I obviously meant component, sorry.  Got it right in every part of my big long post except for the one section Tooker had to go and quote ;)

Though I don't think the Wii U has optical out either.

Seriously?  I guess I'm not getting a Wii U...

Does it really matter for virtual console games and super smash bros. etc? Get a grip

Well, I guess using component is an option for the Wii U, and that has good old analog audio.  Though that likely means no 5.1.

It's a bigger problem on the new 360 since it doesn't even do component.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on June 19, 2013, 12:51:53 PM
I really don't want an xbone but... some of the exclusives look promising...so far.

Time to start exercising restraint and responsibility?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Daggerstrike on June 19, 2013, 01:26:33 PM
This thread is too long for me to read so I don't know if it's been addressed but..Fuck XBox One and it's always on Kinect. I have heard a lot of rumors and conspiracies about how it will be used and if only 1% of them are true fuck this thing.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 19, 2013, 01:44:41 PM
Daggerstrike...all of them are true.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on June 19, 2013, 01:58:39 PM
No, you can turn off or pause the kinnect if the game or app doesn't use it.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on June 19, 2013, 02:19:47 PM
What happened to the whole "camera and mic are on all the time even if you're not playing games?"  Did that go away?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Daggerstrike on June 19, 2013, 02:31:54 PM
What happened to the whole "camera and mic are on all the time even if you're not playing games?"  Did that go away?

No, Yoda is just wishing I think. Everything I have read indicates that the always on is truth. I don't need my Xbox seeing what I do in front of my TV and judging me.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 19, 2013, 02:47:25 PM
What happened to the whole "camera and mic are on all the time even if you're not playing games?"  Did that go away?

No, Yoda is just wishing I think. Everything I have read indicates that the always on is truth. I don't need my Xbox seeing what I do in front of my TV and judging me.
It's not that it's always on but that it's always active. The system won't turn on without kinect hooked up, and therefore will not operate without it in use. Idk about halting its functions as currently the only way to turn it on is via voice command...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 19, 2013, 04:02:46 PM
What happened to the whole "camera and mic are on all the time even if you're not playing games?"  Did that go away?

No, Yoda is just wishing I think. Everything I have read indicates that the always on is truth. I don't need my Xbox seeing what I do in front of my TV and judging me.


They say that you can shut it off and even disable the mic... but with forced updates and needing to have it plugged in at all times and the fact that they *can* enable it from their end the mention that it's going to transfer a lot of data on their pre-order requirements page made me laugh with all the conspiracy theories already going around.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/pre-order-xbox-one/disclaimer

Quote
Kinect Sensor for Xbox One (included) and periodic system software updates required for continued use; significant updates may be required during set-up and over time (ISP fees apply).

"We swear, this is just the 3GB monthly patch."

My biggest issue with Kinect isn't the whole spying thing... it's being forced to buy an addon that I don't want. I'm mainly a RPGer... I bought Kinect with the hopes of running around swinging a sword or punching whales... none of the games that use Kinect are really my thing. I have one that was a failed investment, trying to force me to buy another just pisses me right off.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 19, 2013, 04:10:29 PM
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/415414/microsoft-to-ditch-xbox-one-drm-and-always-online-policies-say-sources/

Interesting. I'd love to see them do this. It won't affect me totally having no interest in the console (seriously, nothing in their lineup makes me want one. I played Lost Odyssey on my 360 and Phantom Dust on my original Xbox. I'm not doing this dance a third time). But even so, it would be good overall for competition for them to do this.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 19, 2013, 04:26:55 PM
Unfortunately, it won't matter quite as much as they want it to. People are already soured over Microsoft's poor handling of this entire console reveal.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 19, 2013, 04:29:21 PM
Only certain people. Hardcore gamers are but a subset, and I'm betting if they do renege there will be enough good looking exclusive to sway people back to their side.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 19, 2013, 04:34:10 PM
Unfortunately, it won't matter quite as much as they want it to. People are already soured over Microsoft's poor handling of this entire console reveal.

I do imagine many of us have a sour enough taste in our mouths, and they can't do much about the price point without a crazy loss that'd probably force the shareholders to go "enough, cut them out", but it will move the system from "not touching unless I 'have to'" to "when the price is lower and the exclusives I want are out." I kind of expect Sony to regain their lead again, but maybe not to as extreme a degree as the X1 being always online may've permitted.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 19, 2013, 04:38:40 PM
I think you're underestimating the price difference.

On the one hand, it's a victory for consumer rights. On the other hand, it's clear exactly which team they're playing for and whose rights they prioritize first. It's great from a competition standpoint. You're right that the hardcore gamers are a subset, and the average dude won't care about the backpedaling or messaging, but they WILL care very much about the $100 difference in price.

As I said early, for me having only played maybe 2-3 games on my XB and XB360, I will definitely not be buying this console. They could price it the same as Sony and give me free cupcakes every time I turn it on (which, if 360 is any indication, would be once a year) and I still wouldn't want it. There is nothing in the lineup that interests me, and between the product messaging and the 360's complete dearth of RPGs (because most RPGs aren't the CoD-level jillion-selling cash-cows that Microsoft and their corporate publisher pals are desperate for) suggests to me that the case will be no different this time.

Nonetheless, them dropping some of these restrictions is absolutely a good thing, and I'm pleased that they went this route, even if it was very begrudgingly.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 19, 2013, 04:41:41 PM
Microsoft has to be really careful. One of my favorite classes I took in college was on PR during a crisis, and one thing we covered was "taking back," which is a surprisingly delicate situation. They don't want to completely avoid saying that they screwed up, but they also don't want to sound like they're just trying to save face. I'm very curious how they're going to handle this considering what a disaster every other PR move they've made has been lately.

Also, it will probably still require Kinect and that's more of a turn-off to me than the DRM and online authentication.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 19, 2013, 04:42:47 PM
Yeah, there's still a lot of factors that will go into next gen hardware purchase, but I have to admit that this news has grabbed me.

To be honest, I favored my 360 over my PS3 for the first three years I had both; it's only been lately that I've gamed on my PS3 more (due to excellent exclusives), and even then I turned to the 360 for the superior multiplatform experiences (Bayonetta, anyone?). I imagine these differences will become much less pronounced next gen, with the hardware specs being practically neck and neck, so it'll all come down to the exclusives. Titanfall looks amazing, but it'll only take one or two The Last of Us-caliber titles to sway me in one direction or another.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 19, 2013, 04:45:12 PM
Plus, Titanfall's on PC ;). I don't count it as a console exclusive if I can have it on PC, too, because I'll take the PC version over either console version any day of the week.

This is still pure good news, and you're right about this being a delicate marketing situation: by doing this, they've basically confirmed they're favoring their publisher-relations with their consumer relations, and this move was borne purely out "oh shit our Amazon preorder numbers* are horrible."

*my guess

EDIT:

Also thank you for mentioning The Last of Us. I love that game. It's why I'm invested in a PS4-- Sony's exclusive developers have always appealed to me more.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 19, 2013, 04:46:06 PM
^ That's a pretty common story. The XBox 360 offered very few exclusives in the second half of its life, and the only family-friendly exclusives weren't so much family-friendly as they were designed for little kids (like Sesame Street)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 19, 2013, 04:51:30 PM
from the official post:

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These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

In other words, it sounds like they're ditching the 10-person sharing plan, which was actually a neat idea. I hope that isn't the case.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 19, 2013, 05:06:35 PM
In other words, it sounds like they're ditching the 10-person sharing plan, which was actually a neat idea. I hope that isn't the case.

Good news: what Microsoft abandons Steam adopts. (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/06/19/rumor-steam-game-sharing-could-be-coming.aspx) Maybe.

I think it would've been a great idea to keep for DD, even if they probably should keep it to something like 3 other people (the nuclear family.)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 19, 2013, 05:12:02 PM
I saw that news earlier. I can't wait for them to launch that. Hopefully it sets a precedent.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on June 19, 2013, 05:22:14 PM
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Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

Was this ever not going to be the case?  That would have been a nice thing.

Of course, like Klutz64, the Kinect thing was always the dealbreaker for me.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on June 19, 2013, 05:22:50 PM
Good ol' damage control!  Looks like they mighta pressured enough to drop DRM.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 19, 2013, 05:24:23 PM
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Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

Was this ever not going to be the case?  That would have been a nice thing.

Yes, actually. The tradeoff was going to be that the disc was just an install disc and the game would play without it much like a Steam retail game would've been like, now it's looking to be install + verification disc, which is instead like PC games after full installs became standard and before Steam/Securom started to make no disc play popular.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Britton on June 19, 2013, 05:27:02 PM
I knew it! In one of these other threads I said MS would go back on some of that. A few said I was wrong, MS doesn't do those things. They went back on quite a lot of stuff I see.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on June 19, 2013, 05:47:45 PM
I knew it! In one of these other threads I said MS would go back on some of that. A few said I was wrong, MS doesn't do those things. They went back on quite a lot of stuff I see.

They had to, the were losing.  Now maybe they can start digging up again.

(http://evergreenterrace.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Digup.jpg)

Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on June 19, 2013, 05:51:09 PM
Quote
Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

Was this ever not going to be the case?  That would have been a nice thing.

Of course, like Klutz64, the Kinect thing was always the dealbreaker for me.

Ditto.  Even if the exclusives are nice, there will be plenty of games on other systems to keep me busy (assuming they don't come to the PC eventually anyway which they probably will).  It doesn't change my decision in the slightest.

And I still hate Don Mattingly.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 19, 2013, 06:17:13 PM
It's a pretty big deal that MS reversed their position on this.  When they first announced their DRM scheme I saw a whole lot of comments saying things to the effect that you should get used to it, this is the future, Sony is going to do it too, etc.  Of course then Sony didn't do it and they became the heroes of the internet for a week.  MS was clearly under a lot of pressure from all the bad press and preorder numbers for the PS4 were trouncing the Xbox One so they had to fold.

Do you know what this means?  Consumers still have some voice.  We don't have to just lie down and take things.  The internet collectively told MS where to shove their DRM and they were forced to oblige.  This is a huge victory for consumers.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 19, 2013, 06:22:24 PM
It's a pretty big deal that MS reversed their position on this.  When they first announced their DRM scheme I saw a whole lot of comments saying things to the effect that you should get used to it, this is the future, Sony is going to do it too, etc.  Of course then Sony didn't do it and they became the heroes of the internet for a week.  MS was clearly under a lot of pressure from all the bad press and preorder numbers for the PS4 were trouncing the Xbox One so they had to fold.

Do you know what this means?  Consumers still have some voice.  We don't have to just lie down and take things.  The internet collectively told MS where to shove their DRM and they were forced to oblige.  This is a huge victory for consumers.
I want to scream this aloud from the rooftops of every building in every city everywhere.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 19, 2013, 06:26:28 PM
I think it's important to remember that this probably wasn't a case of 'voices being heard.' it's pure business math. People voted with their wallets and the preorder numbers showed it. Notice how belligerent they were about it RIGHT until the numbers became available. Our voices weren't heard, our wallets were.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 19, 2013, 06:31:53 PM
But our wallets are an extension of our voices. That's exactly what people mean when they say "voting with our wallets." Whether it was a business decision or not isn't the issue.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 19, 2013, 06:46:09 PM
I disagree completely. People saying "Microsoft heard our complaints." No they didn't, they heard market research and saw actual hard numbers saying "this is a bad idea." If the numbers had been in their favor, they'd still be trying to convince us that their policies offer "thousands of dollars in value" right now and trucking right along.

Complaints mean nothing if people still go and buy stuff. It's just fortunate for us that in this case, people actually backed up their complaints with their dollars. The two aren't always in sync.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 19, 2013, 06:52:40 PM
No, they aren't, and that's unfortunate, but looking at market data and concluding that consumers will cause a hit to your books is exactly what should result when people cry "anti-consumer practices." The bottom line is our voices mean nothing without our dollars (which is also why internet petitions rarely ever work - they're just flakey internet denizens shouting without any backing). Honestly, I don't have any doubt that if they could get away with it, Sony and Nintendo would be doing the exact same thing.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 19, 2013, 06:54:39 PM
Sony maybe, but I don't think Nintendo would. They're just now figuring out what the internet is :)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 19, 2013, 06:55:48 PM
Touché.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 19, 2013, 07:11:52 PM
I have a feeling consumers had less to do with this decision than publishers starting to shy away and Gamestop threatening to limit the sales of XB1's and less shelf space for their games. Also pre-order numbers has already been said.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Daggerstrike on June 19, 2013, 07:19:39 PM
I have a feeling consumers had less to do with this decision than publishers starting to shy away and Gamestop threatening to limit the sales of XB1's and less shelf space for their games. Also pre-order numbers has already been said.

But that all goes back to the consumer. Whether it is "speaking with our wallets" or "our voice being heard" it is still that consumers have impact. Publishers started to shy away because they realize people weren't interested in the system and so they wouldn't make much money by putting games out for it. Gamestop threatened to limit shelf space because the majority of their money is from used games so since consumers wouldn't be buying used games for the system they didn't feel the need to have space. Regardless of the ultimate deciding factor, we as consumers can feel comfortable and happy in the fact that the majority was heard, whether it was our wallets or voices, we were heard.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 19, 2013, 07:46:28 PM
They posted an official announcement.

Unfortunately they're still not, apparently, getting rid of the stupid kinect.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 19, 2013, 08:14:05 PM
I love the posts on this... saw one comparing MS to an abusive spouse who beat his wife then brought flowers.

I'm still not planning on getting a One... once you've tried to stick it in my mouth the thought has left a bad taste already, so I won't be hanging out with you and playing games together.

*edit* Plus, Kinect.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: (Tunnels) on June 19, 2013, 08:39:25 PM
With this reversal I'm definitely more interested in getting the XBone. However, I won't be getting it at launch due to the price, and the fact that the PS4 has more games announced for it that I'm interested in than the XBone. Maybe down the line but there's no way I can afford to get two next gen consoles this year; I'm still deciding if I can even afford one.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on June 19, 2013, 08:48:12 PM
It's like Kevadu said (I find myself agreeing with him a lot lately...wonder why?), this proves that we as consumers have a say. I still have no intention of buying an xbone, and as a matter of fact I may go ahead and trade in my xbob and remaining xbob games towards a ps4 or at least some ps3 stuff. But the fact that our bitching and complaining and pronounced display of disdain actually forced ms to respond positively shows that we as consumers are still more than a simple figure in their equations. I'm thrilled by this, literally amazed
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 19, 2013, 09:17:15 PM
It's like Kevadu said (I find myself agreeing with him a lot lately...wonder why?)

Clearly we're soulmates...

And, uh, I guess Jim Sterling (http://www.destructoid.com/jimquisition-xbox-one-no-drm-emergency-special-256624.phtml) is my soulmate too.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 19, 2013, 09:23:49 PM
I dunno. Now that i think about it, I actually liked where the Xbox One was going with things. They just presented it in a really dumb way, tried to force kinect on people, etc.

Digital games sharing is such an awesome idea. If Xbone was $400, didn't force kinect, was digital only, had 1-time game gifting, game sharing with family and friends, and had planned semi-annual sales on digital content, it would be an easy choice over a DRM-free PS4 primarily focused on physical media.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Esper_Crusader on June 19, 2013, 09:28:38 PM
I'm still gonna get one next year at some point and it is nice to see the 180 they did but they may need to offer some more incentive to wash the bad taste out of gamers mouths. Kinect...don't really care as you can disable it to some extent. The price tag is the main thing for me as the alternative is what I'm getting this Xmas season. Its going to have to be about exclusive titles and I don't think Halo is going to save it completely.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 19, 2013, 09:35:07 PM
had planned semi-annual sales on digital content

I guess it's possible that they might have done this, but they never said they would and MS doesn't have a great track record in that regard.  PSN actually has had much better sales and regular price drops of digital content than XBLA, even for purely digital stuff and especially for digtal+physical releases.  While they still haven't quite reached the level of Steam sales there definitely are some good deals.  Random example: the new Tomb Raider game was just $20 last week.  MS seems to keep things at MSRP even after physical copies are being sold in the bargain bin.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 19, 2013, 10:24:19 PM
I wish I was as optimistic abotu this 'voices being heard' thing as some of you guys are. All I see is a company caving to financial pressure and pressure from other industry leaders. I'm the kind of guy, though, who believes a corporation will not do anything, ever, unless it is something they are being fiscally required to do, and would pee in your corn  flakes every morning if it made them an extra buck in sales per day.

That said, I do think they had the beginnings of some good ideas in there. I still don't think, even if they had fantastic hardware offerings, I'd be getting one though, since Microsoft's library has historically been almost bereft of anything I'd want. Lost Odyssey and Phantom Dust were amazing, but in hindsight, were they worth me getting those consoles? Not for me.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 19, 2013, 11:23:14 PM
I dunno. Now that i think about it, I actually liked where the Xbox One was going with things. They just presented it in a really dumb way, tried to force kinect on people, etc.

Digital games sharing is such an awesome idea. If Xbone was $400, didn't force kinect, was digital only, had 1-time game gifting, game sharing with family and friends, and had planned semi-annual sales on digital content, it would be an easy choice over a DRM-free PS4 primarily focused on physical media.


The sharing is the strangest thing. There was no need to drop the digital sharing just to be able to play from disks and not have the 24hr check in. Every time you buy something digitally it's recorded in your account and free to redownload... so they're already making a digital list of games per user. There's no reason they couldn't have that as a "family share" type of deal exactly as they'd said, and just not add disks you buy physically to that digital share collection. Whether you "check in" once a day has no bearing on that at all, and I see no reasons that dropping the check would *make* them drop that.


Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on June 19, 2013, 11:25:35 PM
I'm the kind of guy, though, who believes a corporation will not do anything, ever, unless it is something they are being fiscally required to do

I am more or less of the same mindset, although I think there are exceptions.  Microsoft's probably not one of them, but I think they're out there.  It may be partially a question of size, because the concrete examples I'm thinking of are small businesses where I know the owners have cut off clients who are buying more than they can really afford.  (Their credit cards were still accepted, but they shouldn't have been using them for those products.)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 20, 2013, 12:17:52 AM
I wish I was as optimistic abotu this 'voices being heard' thing as some of you guys are. All I see is a company caving to financial pressure and pressure from other industry leaders. I'm the kind of guy, though, who believes a corporation will not do anything, ever, unless it is something they are being fiscally required to do, and would pee in your corn  flakes every morning if it made them an extra buck in sales per day.

Of course this is about money.  I never thought otherwise.  That isn't really my point, though.  This is less about MS and more about the realization that there really is a line that you can push too far and make consumers react.  Because frankly before this there were a lot of people with the mentality that it's all just a bunch of whining and in the end people will buy it anyway and "deal with it".  Consumers, collectively, have spoken and what they're saying is that we're not going to buy that shit.  And that's a good thing.

Obviously MS reacted because they had to, not because they wanted to.  I don't think there's the slightest bit of good samaritanism here (well, actually maybe the region-free thing, since I don't think that was most people's complaint and Nintendo seems to get away with it...).  The point is that we, as consumers, are not totally powerless.  That is what I'm celebrating.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 20, 2013, 01:08:28 AM
I wish I was as optimistic abotu this 'voices being heard' thing as some of you guys are. All I see is a company caving to financial pressure and pressure from other industry leaders. I'm the kind of guy, though, who believes a corporation will not do anything, ever, unless it is something they are being fiscally required to do, and would pee in your corn  flakes every morning if it made them an extra buck in sales per day.

Of course this is about money.  I never thought otherwise.  That isn't really my point, though.  This is less about MS and more about the realization that there really is a line that you can push too far and make consumers react.  Because frankly before this there were a lot of people with the mentality that it's all just a bunch of whining and in the end people will buy it anyway and "deal with it".  Consumers, collectively, have spoken and what they're saying is that we're not going to buy that shit.  And that's a good thing.

Obviously MS reacted because they had to, not because they wanted to.  I don't think there's the slightest bit of good samaritanism here (well, actually maybe the region-free thing, since I don't think that was most people's complaint and Nintendo seems to get away with it...).  The point is that we, as consumers, are not totally powerless.  That is what I'm celebrating.

Yeah okay, well-stated. You make a good point.

And it IS good news on the region-free thing.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Dice on June 20, 2013, 02:52:41 AM
They should
(http://i.imgur.com/5CYP7yj.png)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 20, 2013, 04:05:01 AM
had planned semi-annual sales on digital content

I guess it's possible that they might have done this, but they never said they would and MS doesn't have a great track record in that regard.  PSN actually has had much better sales and regular price drops of digital content than XBLA, even for purely digital stuff and especially for digtal+physical releases.  While they still haven't quite reached the level of Steam sales there definitely are some good deals.  Random example: the new Tomb Raider game was just $20 last week.  MS seems to keep things at MSRP even after physical copies are being sold in the bargain bin.

I guess i just wanted the Steam of consoles. Except they could be even better than steam. I'd sacrifice a little discount depth for all the benefits and advantages of a console platform. The sale model of $60 retail games is just not sustainable.  The move to digital COULD benefit us all. Now we can stick with the shitty online passes and petty DLC model. :/

And I agree MS doesn't have a great track record. I honestly respect them very little as a video game company.

Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Alisha on June 20, 2013, 05:28:31 AM
too little too late. though i kinda want xbox to fail because i partly blame them for this dismal rpg generation. and ive hated the xbox since the first one that was broadband only when a lot of people still had dial up. so they have a history of trying to force things.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 20, 2013, 06:11:30 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/EzG5eIX.jpg)


Please tell me people here get this. I was cracking up when I saw it and everyone else just said "That's dumb, you know you can turn it off" missing the entire point.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on June 20, 2013, 11:02:53 AM
yeah yeah Blade Runner
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 20, 2013, 12:45:07 PM
I wish I was as optimistic abotu this 'voices being heard' thing as some of you guys are. All I see is a company caving to financial pressure and pressure from other industry leaders. I'm the kind of guy, though, who believes a corporation will not do anything, ever, unless it is something they are being fiscally required to do, and would pee in your corn  flakes every morning if it made them an extra buck in sales per day.

Of course this is about money.  I never thought otherwise.  That isn't really my point, though.  This is less about MS and more about the realization that there really is a line that you can push too far and make consumers react.  Because frankly before this there were a lot of people with the mentality that it's all just a bunch of whining and in the end people will buy it anyway and "deal with it".  Consumers, collectively, have spoken and what they're saying is that we're not going to buy that shit.  And that's a good thing.

Obviously MS reacted because they had to, not because they wanted to.  I don't think there's the slightest bit of good samaritanism here (well, actually maybe the region-free thing, since I don't think that was most people's complaint and Nintendo seems to get away with it...).  The point is that we, as consumers, are not totally powerless.  That is what I'm celebrating.

I'm guessing the region free thing was because CD Projekt had a few choice words for them not having a launch in Poland.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 20, 2013, 03:03:41 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/an-industry-that-needs-xbox-one-drm-is-a-failed-industry-256643.phtml#QIzbe6mKiHG84hKe.16


Best article I've read on used games.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 20, 2013, 05:08:14 PM
too little too late. though i kinda want xbox to fail because i partly blame them for this dismal rpg generation. and ive hated the xbox since the first one that was broadband only when a lot of people still had dial up. so they have a history of trying to force things.

That's really dumb. Microsoft isn't to blame for the state RPGs. Hell, they funded two turn based JRPGs personally.

Wanting either big console to fail screams "fanboy." At the end of the day, competition is what pushes the industry forward.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 20, 2013, 05:40:49 PM
too little too late. though i kinda want xbox to fail because i partly blame them for this dismal rpg generation. and ive hated the xbox since the first one that was broadband only when a lot of people still had dial up. so they have a history of trying to force things.

That's really dumb. Microsoft isn't to blame for the state RPGs. Hell, they funded two turn based JRPGs personally.

Wanting either big console to fail screams "fanboy." At the end of the day, competition is what pushes the industry forward.

While I don't especially agree with the sentiment, I don't think MS funding two turn-based JRPGs over 6 years ago really vindicates them. They're partially responsible for the hit-driven, AAA-centric, "this game must sell 5 million copies to succeed" mentality that many studios are grappling with.

That said, I also think that MS pushing broadband in the original Xbox is not a bad thing. Broadband wasn't required, and it enabled them to deliver a feature-set for online that was very forward-thinking. Maybe you didn't like it, and it did alienate some people, but you can't argue with the results. Maybe the situation with new Kinect is the same, but I think networking capabilities and a camera are two different things, so a direct comparison would be disingenuous.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Lard on June 20, 2013, 05:50:43 PM
I'm guessing the region free thing was because CD Projekt had a few choice words for them not having a launch in Poland.

I was thinking about this too actually.

From what I understand though, you still have to be online when you first set up the console, I guess to register your XBL account.
I'm not sure whether there's any kind of a check in. Hopefully not, as it wouldn't make sense.
Pretty stunned they did such a huge reversal. Even more stunned that it's region free.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 20, 2013, 05:54:07 PM
At the end of the day, competition is what pushes the industry forward.

This is true... and it's why the success of Steam prompted Sony to push more for digital, with the digital-only PSP go which even as a failure still pushed most PSP games to be same day digital releases from that point on, culminating in same day guarantee on their Vita/PS4 games and even with Nintendo doing similar on 3DS (later on) and Wii U (day one.) This is actually an area where the Xbox IS behind, the XB1's picking up on it but the 360 is the only seriously active platform now where I absolutely CAN NOT get a game the same day digitally as physically. And with the rumors circulating that the family sharing was just limited to 60 minutes it was likely a lame feature especially in contrast to Sony's PS+ trials that don't give a damn if anyone you ever knew even has the game. Well, I need to look into that and see if it had something saner like once a day, but even that still doesn't make it too appealing a feature.

The path forward isn't linear and obvious, I think what Microsoft wanted was truly a dead end, whereas the more organic path of digital just eating more and more of the sale share IS the path forward, especially as many online features can be added without disabling offline play for games with no use for them.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Chronix112 on June 20, 2013, 08:06:54 PM
I am really shocked about the reversal, even more about the region free. At the price Microsoft is selling the system in some regions, why buy it in your region, if you can get it cheaper importing it from the United States? Good they changed the poilicy though, really don't want Sony to become fat and lazy with no competition. Xbone was looking DOA, if it launched with all that DRM crap.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 20, 2013, 08:19:43 PM
too little too late. though i kinda want xbox to fail because i partly blame them for this dismal rpg generation. and ive hated the xbox since the first one that was broadband only when a lot of people still had dial up. so they have a history of trying to force things.

That's really dumb. Microsoft isn't to blame for the state RPGs. Hell, they funded two turn based JRPGs personally.

Wanting either big console to fail screams "fanboy." At the end of the day, competition is what pushes the industry forward.

While I don't especially agree with the sentiment, I don't think MS funding two turn-based JRPGs over 6 years ago really vindicates them. They're partially responsible for the hit-driven, AAA-centric, "this game must sell 5 million copies to succeed" mentality that many studios are grappling with.

That said, I also think that MS pushing broadband in the original Xbox is not a bad thing. Broadband wasn't required, and it enabled them to deliver a feature-set for online that was very forward-thinking. Maybe you didn't like it, and it did alienate some people, but you can't argue with the results. Maybe the situation with new Kinect is the same, but I think networking capabilities and a camera are two different things, so a direct comparison would be disingenuous.

Can you give some specific examples that show Microsoft is responsible for the business model? I see it as a matter of technology and marketing costs.

If anything, the big publishing houses like EA, Ubisoft and Activision are responsible for the current 'blockbuster' model. I can't say I blame them. Gaming is capitalist and they are just giving gamers what they want.

At the end of the day, competition is what pushes the industry forward.

The path forward isn't linear and obvious, I think what Microsoft wanted was truly a dead end, whereas the more organic path of digital just eating more and more of the sale share IS the path forward, especially as many online features can be added without disabling offline play for games with no use for them.

Hearing about the 60 minute limit, it was a total dead end. Just more MS nickle and diming customers. You can't trust these console giants with anything. A digital library should have value. We should be able to cherish the digital ownership of games the same way we cherish physical media.

I suppose the reason it worked so well on PC is that it came to us in a COMPLETELY organic way by gamers choosing their preferred delivery platforms. You don't get that choice with a console. You invest in the console and just trust that the benefits work in your favor. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not expecting Nintendo, MS or Sony to do me any favors.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 20, 2013, 09:36:51 PM
Microsoft's publisher-friendly practices and their aggressive move to court big money (CoD DLC, CoD itself, the NFL, EA/Acti friendliness) and their decision to basically continue as is for indies all suggest to me that they're very down with the current AAA-centric model. You don't break profit records with indie games-- you break them with your annual CoD release, release-parties, advertising money, tie-in money, and that sort of thing. You're right that the big pubs are responsible too, but Microsoft absolutely supports that model (where do we think the recently 180-d DRM choices came from? It was (if you ask me) a clear attempt to cozy up to big pubs).

I don't like it, but it's absolutely where the big money is, and I think that's exactly what Microsoft courts.

Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 20, 2013, 11:00:07 PM
Another indie dev speaks out (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/06/20/the-sorry-saga-of-skulls-of-the-shogun-windows-8/) against MS.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Jotacon on June 21, 2013, 12:16:38 AM
Another indie dev speaks out (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/06/20/the-sorry-saga-of-skulls-of-the-shogun-windows-8/) against MS.
Having met the Devs of Skulls of the Shogun and talked with them, this doesn't surprise me. They weren't naysaying Microsoft too badly at the time, but when I asked about why they went with Microsoft instead of PC I got an answer like the one they gave in the article - seemed like the best idea at the time & they have lots of money. I hope things work out for them! It becomes a lot easier to care about a game when you've met the people making it. I've got my pre-order of the Bone-A-Fide edition, do you?

If anything, the big publishing houses like EA, Ubisoft and Activision are responsible for the current 'blockbuster' model. I can't say I blame them. Gaming is capitalist and they are just giving gamers what they want.

Now, I don't agree that Microsoft is solely to blame for the sorry state of the industry at the moment, but using capatalism as an excuse is the exact kind of laziness that caused the problem in the first place. Nobody is or (at least during this console cycle) was looking for alternative solutions to the problem burgeoning development costs. As a business you should be forward thiking. It wasn't until smartphones became a big deal that anyone started looking at alternative payment methods, let alone releasing games at different levels of production vale with variable pricing. Mid-level development died (well, shifted into developing middle-ware) on console and your options were Indie or AAA with nobody taking lessons from things like Deadly Premonition, which made money in North America because it was released at a budget price. This is without going into the shitty investment and payment models that publishers use.
Microsoft along with all the other major players saw where things were headed knew they could survive in the new climate and kept making things they way they knew how. I have to agree with Taelus, they like things they way they are and share the blame with all of them. This was a problem for the film industry twice in the past and it surprises me Video games haven't learned anything from it. Big hits will still be big hits even if you finance smaller productions to help keep the ecosystem afloat (plus, there is the added benefit of stumbling on a huge profit margin on a runaway success from a smaller investment).
Luckily Japan still had handheld and we had PC development or else things would be even worse.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 21, 2013, 10:03:15 AM
Respawn Entertainment co-founder Vince Zampella explains lack of single-player in Titanfall (http://www.gamesradar.com/titanfall-creator-explains-lack-single-player/) -- Source: GamesRadar

"Respawn comprises about 60 developers, and devoting months of their work to single-player missions most players blow through in minutes just doesn't make sense, Zampella said.

"And how many people finish the single-player game? It's a small percentage. It's like, everyone plays through the first level, but 5 percent of people finish the game," he said. "Really, you split the team. They're two different games. They're balanced differently, they're scoped differently. But people spend hundreds of hours in the multiplayer experience versus as little time as possible rushing to the end [in single-player]. So why do all the resources go there? To us it made sense to put it here. Now everybody sees all those resources, and multiplayer is better. For us it made sense."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 21, 2013, 03:26:59 PM
Make a Titanfall thread next time, I don't really want a thread to start with a post like that, and while it's a major XB1 title it's neither a full exclusive (on X360 and PC at launch, likely PS4 and maybe PS3 later on) or news directly relevant to the XB1 itself like the bit about how the Cloud is SUPPOSED to make that the definitive version.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 21, 2013, 03:34:30 PM
There was an interview with the Titanfall guys (sorry, it was a couple days ago and I don't have the link...) in which they basically admitted that their much-touted 'cloud' stuff was nothing more than matchmaking servers...whee.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 21, 2013, 03:47:20 PM
There was an interview with the Titanfall guys (sorry, it was a couple days ago and I don't have the link...) in which they basically admitted that their much-touted 'cloud' stuff was nothing more than matchmaking servers...whee.

Wait, really?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 21, 2013, 04:14:22 PM
Here it is (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/19/titanfalls-structure-and-cloud-computing-on-xbox-one-explaine/).  Skip to 5:30.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: dyeager on June 21, 2013, 04:21:34 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/an-industry-that-needs-xbox-one-drm-is-a-failed-industry-256643.phtml#QIzbe6mKiHG84hKe.16


Best article I've read on used games.

This was pretty good, thanks for sharing it.

The biggest point in there for me is this: "My God, do these companies love the f--- out of capitalism, but it seems that when capitalism comes to collect, when the flip-side of the system's benefits come to bite them on the ass, they try their best to run away from it."

Agree 100% with this notion. Evolve or die.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 21, 2013, 04:26:57 PM
There was an interview with the Titanfall guys (sorry, it was a couple days ago and I don't have the link...) in which they basically admitted that their much-touted 'cloud' stuff was nothing more than matchmaking servers...whee.

Well, it sounds more like it spins out a dedicated server close to you and you use that to play online, which is actually probably a huge boon in and of itself... but if the PC version lets people form dedicated servers or rent them like many other PC games I'd imagine it's a moot point. And I kind of expect the 360 version will hook into Azure servers too. Honestly it sounds like a pretty nice feature, but not THAT essential to Titanfall.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: dyeager on June 21, 2013, 04:33:42 PM
In the end Microsoft had two problems IMO coming out of E3, two basic economics and marketing problems that have been around for a long time.

1) If you have to constantly defend your price to your potential customers, your price is probably wrong.
2) If your business model requires you to have an adversarial position with your potential customers, your model is probably wrong.

There are of course exceptions, as always. But these are generally pretty solid rules for this type of consumer product.

Microsoft has taken good steps toward addressing one of these.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 21, 2013, 06:00:43 PM
Yeah, usually if you're justified on both rather than the consumer it's probably because you have an amazing, compelling product people will understand once they get their hands on, like the iPad and iPhone may've been (I can't remember how much protest there may've been to whatever aspects there.) Here, I think they were almost set to send Xbox to the same hell Kin went, it may yet land there anyway.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 21, 2013, 09:30:35 PM
No idea if this was answered in the various press conferences or not, but..............!!

If the XBox One isn't backwards compatible with the 360, can I assume that XBLA/XBLIG games you purchased for the 360 will likewise not work on the XBox One?

Are there separate XBLA ecosystems for the 360 and One? And what happens to your games when, inevitably, they can no longer maintain both ecosystems and have to shut the 360 one down?

Quote
The biggest point in there for me is this: "My God, do these companies love the f--- out of capitalism, but it seems that when capitalism comes to collect, when the flip-side of the system's benefits come to bite them on the ass, they try their best to run away from it."

This sentence sums up a lot of what is wrong with western society, in general.

At the end of the day,

goddammit, I'm killin' this shit!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 21, 2013, 10:02:45 PM
If the XBox One isn't backwards compatible with the 360, can I assume that XBLA/XBLIG games you purchased for the 360 will likewise not work on the XBox One?

Yes, you can assume that.  Same for the PS4.  Honestly, I don't understand why this question keeps coming up.  Backwards compatibility has nothing at all to do with whether it's on a disc or not.  It's about the processor architecture.  Even if you get devs to recompile their games for the new system (and you would have to get the devs to do it, because I don't think MS or Sony keeps copies of their source code...) they still have to be retested and recertified and porting is rarely a completely painless process.  There are always things that can go wrong.

The big exception is stuff that was being emulated already.  For instance, PS1 Classics you buy on the PSN are running under an emulator.  That emulator has been ported to the PS3, PSP, and Vita so if you buy a PS1 Classic once you can play it on any of those systems.  I certainly hope Sony is planning on adding the PS4 to that list, though it doesn't sound like it will be there at launch (note that it wasn't there at launch for the Vita either but they did get it working and it seems fine now).  But native code for the PS3 isn't going to work on the PS4 without porting the whole game (well, either that or developing a PS3 emulator but it doesn't sound like that's going to happen...).

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Are there separate XBLA ecosystems for the 360 and One? And what happens to your games when, inevitably, they can no longer maintain both ecosystems and have to shut the 360 one down?

No idea...but I don't think 360 games have any kind of online check-in requirement.  Assuming that they've been downloaded already they should continue to work.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 21, 2013, 10:58:22 PM
Make a Titanfall thread next time, I don't really want a thread to start with a post like that, and while it's a major XB1 title it's neither a full exclusive (on X360 and PC at launch, likely PS4 and maybe PS3 later on) or news directly relevant to the XB1 itself like the bit about how the Cloud is SUPPOSED to make that the definitive version.

Didn't saw the need for a new thread. But yeah sure, I get the message. ~_~
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 22, 2013, 12:03:29 AM
re Kevadu:

No, I mean, I know that XBLA won't be backwards compatible. I mean, if you bought the game and your 360 breaks, if it's not backwards compatible and they shut the 360 XBLA service down, you're not getting your games again.

Also re: good graphics/small teams/production values:

First, I don't think graphics have improved THAT much since the PS2-gen. They're subtle improvements -- more detail, better lighting, things that look great in still imagines but get tuned out if you either have a small TV or are only focusing on what's actually happening in the game. Those little details require a lot of effort but they're not really making THAT much a difference as far as I'm concerned. It's a waste of money.

Second, Euro Truck Sim 2 is one of the prettiest goddamn games I have ever played and SCS employs like 20 people total and I don't even know if they have a budget.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 22, 2013, 01:47:01 PM
Are there separate XBLA ecosystems for the 360 and One? And what happens to your games when, inevitably, they can no longer maintain both ecosystems and have to shut the 360 one down?

You're fucked. That's what happens.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on June 22, 2013, 04:10:10 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/22/games-with-gold-gives-xbox-live-gold-members-2-games-to-keep-for-the-rest-of-the-year/

Somebody tell me that this is just a bad case of semantics on Siliconera's part.

I mean, I guess its not a big deal given that most of these games sound like the kind with the yearly iterations anyways so its not all that different then buying a game from Gamestop then trading it in once you're finished with it for a discount on the next iteration of what's hot for the year.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 22, 2013, 04:30:25 PM
Just bad semantics. They're releasing free games over the course of the year. You can keep them forever.

Or until the next XBox comes out and the lack of backwards compatibility ruins you, whatevo.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 23, 2013, 08:42:35 AM
So apparently they're now even going back and adding a rechargeable battery to the XB1 controller.

I have a feeling by the time this thing comes out, they'll just be saying "Fuck it, you guys want a PS4? We'll just put some PS4's in our Xbox One packaging."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 23, 2013, 01:00:35 PM
So apparently they're now even going back and adding a rechargeable battery to the XB1 controller.

I have a feeling by the time this thing comes out, they'll just be saying "Fuck it, you guys want a PS4? We'll just put some PS4's in our Xbox One packaging."

I don't see why there's anything wrong with adding a rechargeable battery though. That's a good idea. There are some things I don't mind them copying.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 24, 2013, 03:26:51 AM
So apparently they're now even going back and adding a rechargeable battery to the XB1 controller.

I have a feeling by the time this thing comes out, they'll just be saying "Fuck it, you guys want a PS4? We'll just put some PS4's in our Xbox One packaging."

I don't see why there's anything wrong with adding a rechargeable battery though. That's a good idea. There are some things I don't mind them copying.

There IS the argument to be made that it'd be better to stick with something like Eneloops that are high quality rechargable batteries and so you can swap at a moment's notice.

Then again they WERE using Eneloops in the 360 play-and-charge kits. Make the controller into a NiMH charger, include Eneloop batteries by default, EVERYONE WINS.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Desert Walker on June 27, 2013, 01:34:49 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/a-breakup-letter-to-xbox/?wa_user1=2&wa_user2=Video+Games&wa_user3=blog&wa_user4=feature_module
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on June 27, 2013, 10:22:05 PM
One thing about the new kinect.... why the hell is the optical sensor all the way to one side? It looks odd as hell and I refuse to believe that whole device is packed with equipment. Make it smaller!

Industrial design nightmare.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 27, 2013, 10:58:45 PM
On one hand Microsoft HAS put out some good hardware in the past, the early 360 and the 360's D-Pad were probably the most flaky and even then I'm guessing they were rushing things/pushing the next generation ahead of schedule for the sake of beating Sony out the door and to cut their losses on the Xbox. On the other hand the XB1 is so much bigger than the PS4 because they had to go for an esoteric RAM set up that may've been a serious flaw in their console whereas Sony being more straightforward could manage a smaller one, so who knows what's going on with Xbox design at all.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 27, 2013, 11:21:05 PM
One thing about the new kinect.... why the hell is the optical sensor all the way to one side? It looks odd as hell and I refuse to believe that whole device is packed with equipment. Make it smaller!

Just add a speaker on the end and it would look like a sideways HAL 9000 ;)

(http://realitypod.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/compscifi.hal9000.jpg)

On the other hand the XB1 is so much bigger than the PS4 because they had to go for an esoteric RAM set up that may've been a serious flaw in their console whereas Sony being more straightforward could manage a smaller one, so who knows what's going on with Xbox design at all.

Esoteric RAM setup?  They're using completely standard PC RAM.  If either of the two has an esoteric RAM setup it would be Sony, since 8 gigs of GDDR5 is completely unprecedented (though really, neither setup is all that esoteric...).  Unless you're talking about the embedded memory on the XB1, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the size of the system.  It does affect the size of the CPU die, but then Sony went on spent that space on extra GPU units so the two chips are really about the same size.

Given that GDDR5 runs hotter and needs more cooling (which it does), if anything I would have expected Sony to have the bigger box.  But that's clearly not the case.  Wired did a teardown of an XB1 and there's a lot of just wasted space in there...normally console boxes are pretty packed but there's just empty space in the XB1.  It's weird.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on June 28, 2013, 02:29:46 AM
I'm guessing its so that they can turn around and announce the Xbone Slim at next year's E3.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on June 28, 2013, 12:57:38 PM
They're probably hoping there's no extra space on the tv stand for competing consoles
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 28, 2013, 01:01:28 PM
Or MS said to hell with console design and decided to start moving back towards pc cases.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on June 28, 2013, 07:50:53 PM
I'm guessing its so that they can turn around and announce the Xbone Slim at next year's E3.

Considering all the extra space in the Xbone... plausible.

Also if anyone hasn't seen it: "The Xbox One's pre-order disclaimer says “'Terms include binding arbitration with class action waiver to resolve disputes.' That means that if the Xbox One has a widespread issue like its predecessor's “red ring of death” (RRoD), the affected owners will have to sue Microsoft individually, rather than banding together in a class action."

Wonder if Sony has something similar?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on June 28, 2013, 08:10:33 PM
Most EULAs contain that clause lately. Honestly I wish someone would get on their cases about it, because their presence just screams "Can they really do that?"
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 28, 2013, 08:49:26 PM
Most EULAs contain that clause lately. Honestly I wish someone would get on their cases about it, because their presence just screams "Can they really do that?"

Unfortunately, according to the courts the answer is 'yes', which is the whole reason everyone started doing that lately...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 28, 2013, 08:50:35 PM
Xbone Slim is totally this guy:

(http://gangstersuits.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/White-Gangster-Suit-Adult-Costume-300x300.jpg)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 28, 2013, 10:35:57 PM
Most EULAs contain that clause lately. Honestly I wish someone would get on their cases about it, because their presence just screams "Can they really do that?"

Unfortunately, according to the courts the answer is 'yes', which is the whole reason everyone started doing that lately...

They can put it in their EULA but that doesn't mean it'll hold up in court.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on June 28, 2013, 10:43:23 PM
Most EULAs contain that clause lately. Honestly I wish someone would get on their cases about it, because their presence just screams "Can they really do that?"

Unfortunately, according to the courts the answer is 'yes', which is the whole reason everyone started doing that lately...

They can put it in their EULA but that doesn't mean it'll hold up in court.

That's the whole problem, though.  It did hold up in court.  The Supreme Court (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/27/us-att-arbitration-idUSTRE73Q4N520110427), in fact.

That's the decision that prompted this whole business.  Everyone started putting such clauses in everything once they realized they could get away with it.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Raze on June 28, 2013, 11:48:00 PM
They're probably hoping there's no extra space on the tv stand for competing consoles

They should have just made kinect a robot like rob. If it sees a playstation or nintendo console it picks it up and then drops it on the floor.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: insertnamehere on June 29, 2013, 12:48:23 AM
Wanted to get around to posting this, kept forgetting, and yes I'm awful but it fits.
http://www.dailybloggr.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/image13.png
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 29, 2013, 02:07:07 AM
Ballmer is the current CEO of microsoft but GOOD EFFORT.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on June 29, 2013, 02:10:41 AM
I haven't seen anyone Godwin a thread at RPGFan since...

...actually, this is the first time. Bravo, you've just brought us down to Kotaku reader level shit.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on June 29, 2013, 10:59:54 PM
Unless you're talking about the embedded memory on the XB1, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the size of the system.  It does affect the size of the CPU die, but then Sony went on spent that space on extra GPU units so the two chips are really about the same size.

Given that GDDR5 runs hotter and needs more cooling (which it does), if anything I would have expected Sony to have the bigger box.  But that's clearly not the case.  Wired did a teardown of an XB1 and there's a lot of just wasted space in there...normally console boxes are pretty packed but there's just empty space in the XB1.  It's weird.

That's what I was getting at, the embedded ram, and I got the impression that as a result the APU would run hotter, the cooling notably IS centered on that. But I haven't looked into things too much, though it does sound like the GDDR5 Ram is slower and I THINK cooler, so perhaps that's a factor too.
Wanted to get around to posting this, kept forgetting, and yes I'm awful but it fits.
http://www.dailybloggr.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/image13.png

This is a really bad picture for so many reasons. Please avoid that sort of garbage in the future.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 30, 2013, 09:17:57 PM
Ashtrot, I Godwin'd a Hearts of Iron 3 thread once :D

Anyway, does the empty space make a console more... protected from impacts? If it's packed it seemed like it'd be more prone to damage.

Then again maybe the empty space helps it keep cooler, too?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on June 30, 2013, 09:20:26 PM
what shall the xbone use to fill the empty spaces where we used to talk? how shall master chief fill the final places? how shall joanna dark complete the wall?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on June 30, 2013, 10:55:59 PM
Then again maybe the empty space helps it keep cooler, too?

That was what I was thinking.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 30, 2013, 11:10:58 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Ouya_Console.png)
I AM JUST A NEW BOY. A STRANGER IN THIS TOWN.



(Also apparently Microsoft has no idea how fast their system actually runs

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-memory-better-in-production-hardware

The weird thing is how Microsoft doesn't seem to even know what their own system does. Raw performance doesn't matter. The PS2, afaik, wasn't as performant as the GC or XBox, and even the DC had some neat tricks that the PS2 didn't.

And the performance gap between the PS4 and XBone is ultimately NOT that great. And I mean I swear I'm not getting either anyway. So it's not the performance I'm interested -- it's the spin.

Because this really relates to what the company I'm with is doing.

And what the IT industry as a whole is doing.

And it's why I kind of hate the IT industry.)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on July 01, 2013, 11:35:29 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Ouya_Console.png)
I AM JUST A NEW BOY. A STRANGER IN THIS TOWN.




http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/30/ouya-works-much-better-with-a-playstation-3-controller/

I HAVE NO GOOD CONTROLLERS, AND I MUST PLAY!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 01, 2013, 12:57:53 PM
"We Are Watching You" legislation could affect Xbox One (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125192-We-Are-Watching-You-Legislation-Could-Affect-Xbox-One)

Xbox One Dashboard created "With Advertising In Mind" (http://sticktwiddlers.com/2013/06/28/xbox-one-dashboard-created-with-advertising-in-mind/)

Patrice Désilets: the future is digital, Microsoft just fluffed Xbox One message (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-01-desilets-the-future-is-digital-microsoft-just-fluffed-xbox-one-message)

Microsoft suggests Windows 8 apps may come to Xbox One (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-01-microsoft-suggests-windows-8-apps-may-come-to-xbox-one)

Microsoft names next free game for Xbox 360 Gold subscribers (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-01-microsoft-names-next-free-game-for-xbox-360-gold-subscribers)

Exclusive: Microsoft's Entertainment Head Don Mattrick leaving to take Top Role — Possibly CEO — at Zynga (http://allthingsd.com/20130701/exclusive-microsofts-entertainment-head-don-mattrick-leaving-to-take-top-role-possibly-ceo-at-zynga/)

Source(s): The Escapist, StickTwiddlers, Eurogamer, AllThingsD
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: unsmashable_pumpkin on July 01, 2013, 03:30:00 PM

Exclusive: Microsoft's Entertainment Head Don Mattrick leaving to take Top Role — Possibly CEO — at Zynga (http://allthingsd.com/20130701/exclusive-microsofts-entertainment-head-don-mattrick-leaving-to-take-top-role-possibly-ceo-at-zynga/)

Source(s): The Escapist, StickTwiddlers, Eurogamer, AllThingsD

I imagine people are quite pleased with this result. Dude has not been making friends among gamers recently.
I do feel at least cautiously optimistic about the xbone now. It still needs to lose the mandatory kinect (as in no longer needs to be connected to run).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on July 01, 2013, 03:52:05 PM
I think making the Kinect a mandatory accessory included in the box was purely a financial decision. I'm almost positive it's the only reason for the extra $100 on the price and at this point I think they're trying to make back some of the money they've put into the development of the darn thing.

I mean, Microsoft was teasing the concept of the Kinect not long after the 360 launched and gave us a tech demo at least twice a year until it was finally released. And then... yeah, didn't exactly perform well, but unlike Sony's Move, Microsoft must have put a small fortune into the technology and can't let it just go the way of the Zune.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on July 01, 2013, 03:55:49 PM

Exclusive: Microsoft's Entertainment Head Don Mattrick leaving to take Top Role — Possibly CEO — at Zynga (http://allthingsd.com/20130701/exclusive-microsofts-entertainment-head-don-mattrick-leaving-to-take-top-role-possibly-ceo-at-zynga/)

Source(s): The Escapist, StickTwiddlers, Eurogamer, AllThingsD

I imagine people are quite pleased with this result. Dude has not been making friends among gamers recently.
I do feel at least cautiously optimistic about the xbone now. It still needs to lose the mandatory kinect (as in no longer needs to be connected to run).

As if there weren't enough asswipes in Zynga already.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on July 01, 2013, 04:30:55 PM
Now that Don Mattrick as CEO of Zynga has been confirmed.... something foul is in the air. Zynga is many things, but they certainly aren't stupid. So why would they want the guy that basically destroyed customer confidence in the XBox name? Especially considering that Zynga themselves aren't very well loved by the gaming community.

The simplest explanation would be that Mattrick is bringing over some of his Microsoft money and is personally investing it in Zynga.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on July 01, 2013, 05:30:01 PM
Xbox One Dashboard created "With Advertising In Mind" (http://sticktwiddlers.com/2013/06/28/xbox-one-dashboard-created-with-advertising-in-mind/)

I wonder if PS4 will go this route as well?  I hope not because I find it pretty annoying.

Now that Don Mattrick as CEO of Zynga has been confirmed.... something foul is in the air. Zynga is many things, but they certainly aren't stupid. So why would they want the guy that basically destroyed customer confidence in the XBox name? Especially considering that Zynga themselves aren't very well loved by the gaming community.

The simplest explanation would be that Mattrick is bringing over some of his Microsoft money and is personally investing it in Zynga.

They probably offered him a lot of money and he took them up on the offer.  I love some of the quotes online I've read:

"Wow, with stuff like EA and the Xbox One DRM launch on his resume, this guy should fit right in at Zynga! Welcome aboard, sir! "

"If you want to play FarmVille offline, we have a product for you - It's called "Agriculture.'"
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on July 01, 2013, 05:35:30 PM
Now that Don Mattrick as CEO of Zynga has been confirmed.... something foul is in the air. Zynga is many things, but they certainly aren't stupid. So why would they want the guy that basically destroyed customer confidence in the XBox name? Especially considering that Zynga themselves aren't very well loved by the gaming community.

The simplest explanation would be that Mattrick is bringing over some of his Microsoft money and is personally investing it in Zynga.

They probably offered him a lot of money and he took them up on the offer.  I love some of the quotes online I've read:

"Wow, with stuff like EA and the Xbox One DRM launch on his resume, this guy should fit right in at Zynga! Welcome aboard, sir! "

"If you want to play FarmVille offline, we have a product for you - It's called "Agriculture.'"

That, or he's trying to dodge a bullet by taking another one.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on July 01, 2013, 05:35:48 PM
The PS3 actually *does* have the occasional advertisement, but usually it's for other Sony products and services and is very unobtrusive as it is with XBox 360.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on July 01, 2013, 06:11:20 PM
Mattrick is probably looking for an out. He's exhausted, and realizes what staying in this industry is going to mean for his life. He's probably taking severance from Microsoft, gonna CAPITALISM! and wring out as much money as he can from the husk of Zynga, and then retire loaded. Doubt it's anything more complicated than that.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 01, 2013, 08:00:36 PM
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer's memo to employees about Don Mattrick leaving (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/07/microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmers-memo-to.html) -- Source: All Games Beta
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on July 01, 2013, 11:15:43 PM
The last bit of that memo highlights the problem with Microsoft's message...

Around every corner I see them touting their new slogans along the lines of all their devices being capable of doing everything. So then, Microsoft, answer me this: If all your devices can do everything, why on Earth would I buy more than one of your devices?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on July 01, 2013, 11:17:55 PM
But that design philosophy is inherent to almost all devices today: your phone, computer, video game console, hell, even the 3DS and PSVita are capable of more than just playing games. You can't blame MS for going with the trend, especially when that trend was actually started by Sony (remember the It Only Does Everything campaign?).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on July 01, 2013, 11:27:15 PM
Very true, I had forgotten that campaign. But still, most companies with a bunch of devices that all do pretty much the same thing usually sell them with at least a few features that set each product apart from one another rather than bragging about how all their products are the same.

Look at Apple. Anyone can tell that an iPod Touch is just a weaker and cheaper iPad, but Apple's marketing team uses that fact to advertise both of them. Same with their phone line, regardless of how many tech blogs and experts tell consumers that the latest iPhone iteration isn't a significant upgrade from the previous one, Apple fans still line up in droves for every single version.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on July 02, 2013, 04:10:43 AM
(http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2013/27/1372713147-ballmer.jpg)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on July 02, 2013, 05:19:43 AM
Look at Apple. Anyone can tell that an iPod Touch is just a weaker and cheaper iPad, but Apple's marketing team uses that fact to advertise both of them. Same with their phone line, regardless of how many tech blogs and experts tell consumers that the latest iPhone iteration isn't a significant upgrade from the previous one, Apple fans still line up in droves for every single version.
To be fair, that last bit in the letter seems to be in reference to their video game consoles, not at any other device. I mean, what type of hardware does Microsoft actually sell anymore? The Zune burned out quickly, Windows Phone doesn't even have 1% of the marketshare, and computers are all third-party. The only thing they CAN market as an 'all-in-one device" is the Xbox nowadays.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Alisha on July 02, 2013, 06:27:39 AM
to me it's just internal spin.

also my pc was only marketed as a gaming pc sooo no.

i wouldnt be surprised if he was actually terminated.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on July 02, 2013, 06:34:02 AM
also my pc was only marketed as a gaming pc sooo no.
I don't see how this has anything to do with anything.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on July 02, 2013, 09:39:57 AM
I was referring mostly to the commercials I've seen for Windows 8, Surface, and any Windows phone. I realize Windows 8 isn't actually a device, but again their message for it seems to be that it allows you to do whatever you want on any device that uses it.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 02, 2013, 12:11:38 PM
Big Day (http://blog.zynga.com/2013/07/01/big-day/) -- Source: Zynga Company Blog
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on July 02, 2013, 01:40:20 PM
i wouldnt be surprised if he was actually terminated.

There were talks of a planned restructure. Wouldn't surprise me if he put his affairs into order and prepared for the move, making his last big act at Microsoft the XB1 unveiling. Which would NORMALLY be a great thing to end your career with a company on, but not this time.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Sagacious-T on July 02, 2013, 09:22:07 PM
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates have theorized extensively on what the post-PC device will be.

Cell phones? Tablets? Maybe.

Neither of them ever said "gaming console."

Game consoles aren't the post-PC device humanity is looking for. It's dumb to present them as one.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 03, 2013, 12:30:01 PM
Windows chief set to replace Don Mattrick as Xbox boss (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-03-windows-chief-set-to-replace-don-mattrick-as-xbox-boss)

"Windows chief Julie Larson-Green is set to replace Don Mattrick as boss of Xbox, according to a report by business publication Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-02/microsoft-ceo-said-to-give-bates-mergers-role-in-revamp.html)."

"Larson-Green is a 20-year Microsoft veteran who specialises in technical design and development. She worked on Internet Explorer 3.0, Internet Explorer 4.0, Microsoft Office and, most recently, Windows 8."

Edit: Linked Bloomberg article.*

Xbox One reputation system will punish griefers, reward good gamers (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-03-xbox-one-reputation-system-will-punish-griefers-reward-good-gamers)

"Xbox One will penalise players who harass others while online and reward gamers who behave.

Griefers and trolls will be identified by a high-profile reputation score, made "just as visible" as your Gamerscore, the company has said."


Source: Eurogamer
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on July 03, 2013, 12:34:53 PM
Windows chief set to replace Don Mattrick as Xbox boss (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-03-windows-chief-set-to-replace-don-mattrick-as-xbox-boss)

"Windows chief Julie Larson-Green is set to replace Don Mattrick as boss of Xbox, according to a report by business publication Bloomberg."

"Larson-Green is a 20-year Microsoft veteran who specialises in technical design and development. She worked on Internet Explorer 3.0, Internet Explorer 4.0, Microsoft Office and, most recently, Windows 8."

Source: Eurogamer

Wow, the XBox One will fit right into that resume.

I'm kidding, of course, the XB1 is turning in to a decent console lately. Still not one I plan on getting without a must-have exclusive.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: ZshadeZ on July 03, 2013, 12:37:54 PM
Windows chief set to replace Don Mattrick as Xbox boss (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-03-windows-chief-set-to-replace-don-mattrick-as-xbox-boss)

"Windows chief Julie Larson-Green is set to replace Don Mattrick as boss of Xbox, according to a report by business publication Bloomberg."

"Larson-Green is a 20-year Microsoft veteran who specialises in technical design and development. She worked on Internet Explorer 3.0, Internet Explorer 4.0, Microsoft Office and, most recently, Windows 8."



Almost pissed myself laughing when I saw this.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on July 03, 2013, 02:07:19 PM
At least it's someone that knows and probably cares about gaming.

...

Hey, remember Microsoft Excel: the RPG?

I do like the reputation system though. Seems like it'll be a good fix for the massive numbers of shitbirds on XBL.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on July 03, 2013, 04:18:54 PM
Quote
"Xbox One will penalise players who harass others while online and reward gamers who behave.

Griefers and trolls will be identified by a high-profile reputation score, made "just as visible" as your Gamerscore, the company has said."

There is absolutely no way that this will be abused, ever.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on July 03, 2013, 04:39:11 PM
Quote
"Xbox One will penalise players who harass others while online and reward gamers who behave.

Griefers and trolls will be identified by a high-profile reputation score, made "just as visible" as your Gamerscore, the company has said."

There is absolutely no way that this will be abused, ever.

Yeah, no one would do that...

OH WAIT!
http://gamepolitics.com/2013/01/08/top-xbox-live-black-ops-ii-player-resets-stats-because-online-harassment
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on July 04, 2013, 12:41:49 AM
... Also how long till MS Office gets ported to the XBox.

Shit, I...

Microsoft isn't positioning the XBox as a game console or a PC but as a device that hooks up to your TV and gets to be a central fixture of your /home/. The tablet is portable, but it's not part of your home because it's not bound to it. The living room is, though. The TV is. The XBone is.

What they're doing actually makes SENSE. PCs aren't cool anymore but something that augments your TV is (even if it ultimately... is the same thing).

It's a (somewhat limited) PC that they're marketing as something better than a PC by marketing it as something DIFFERENT than a PC.

... This is the stupidest fucking thing and it could seriously work completely how they're intending.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ranadiel on July 04, 2013, 07:38:42 AM
Quote
"Xbox One will penalise players who harass others while online and reward gamers who behave.

Griefers and trolls will be identified by a high-profile reputation score, made "just as visible" as your Gamerscore, the company has said."

There is absolutely no way that this will be abused, ever.

I'm betting that at least 50% of people who play on Live will down vote their opponents reputations just for being beaten because "clearly the person must have used exploits to beat me." Eventually having a crappy gamer reputation will mean that you are an awesome player. And thus the XBone will penalize people for being good at games. Awesome! :p
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 04, 2013, 07:55:09 AM
@MeshGearFox: Yeah is stupid and it has been happening for the last few years with many people not even noticing anything. Is not worth having an existential breakdown over it though.

In other news, money (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-04-ex-xbox-boss-don-mattrick-to-earn-over-USD19m-in-first-year-at-zynga).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on July 04, 2013, 09:35:03 AM
... Also how long till MS Office gets ported to the XBox.

Shit, I...

Microsoft isn't positioning the XBox as a game console or a PC but as a device that hooks up to your TV and gets to be a central fixture of your /home/. The tablet is portable, but it's not part of your home because it's not bound to it. The living room is, though. The TV is. The XBone is.

What they're doing actually makes SENSE. PCs aren't cool anymore but something that augments your TV is (even if it ultimately... is the same thing).

It's a (somewhat limited) PC that they're marketing as something better than a PC by marketing it as something DIFFERENT than a PC.

... This is the stupidest fucking thing and it could seriously work completely how they're intending.

At least until Hulu and other online content providers start charging you on top of what you'd normally pay because of their software that detects whether you're trying to view them from something other than a PC like they did with Google TV (which is why nobody has Google TV).

Then again, with the way cable companies have been cutting services and ratcheting up prices all over the place these days, it feels like we're in an arms race to see which shit lord will be king of shit mountain.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on July 05, 2013, 02:12:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk Wait why do I not remember Ballmer being this camp. Jesus I'd buy twenty XBones if he was sellin' 'em like that.

40 if they put DOS in it.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on July 05, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
Quote
"Xbox One will penalise players who harass others while online and reward gamers who behave.

Griefers and trolls will be identified by a high-profile reputation score, made "just as visible" as your Gamerscore, the company has said."

There is absolutely no way that this will be abused, ever.

I'm betting that at least 50% of people who play on Live will down vote their opponents reputations just for being beaten because "clearly the person must have used exploits to beat me." Eventually having a crappy gamer reputation will mean that you are an awesome player. And thus the XBone will penalize people for being good at games. Awesome! :p

I don't trash talk and I barely use my mic.  I don't taunt and I don't act like a dbag.  Yet last time I checked, I literally have a 24% approval rating.  You are surely correct.

Some comment from Ars:
"Good thing the new Kinect can recognise individual fingers; I can show them one. "
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on July 12, 2013, 12:36:40 AM
So have they found the xbone's power button yet?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on July 12, 2013, 10:49:23 AM
And you all thought I was nuts about being worried about always on kinect.


PS4lyfe
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on July 12, 2013, 11:38:54 PM
So have they found the xbone's power button yet?

You unplug it and it stays on and at that point you just leave the house 'cause y'all KNOW that thing's haunted.

Come home from school, talk to your kids, little Jimmy's all like, "MOMMY MOMMY THE MAN IN THE XBOX TOLD ME TO BURN THE NEIGHBORS' HOUSE DOWN."

Press the DISC DRIVE button. The USB ports start spewin' out BLOOD.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ranadiel on July 13, 2013, 06:51:26 AM
You unplug it and it stays on and at that point you just leave the house 'cause y'all KNOW that thing's haunted.

Come home from school, talk to your kids, little Jimmy's all like, "MOMMY MOMMY THE MAN IN THE XBOX TOLD ME TO BURN THE NEIGHBORS' HOUSE DOWN."

Press the DISC DRIVE button. The USB ports start spewin' out BLOOD.

No it isn't possessed if it shows any of those symptoms, you see in truth they gave the XBONE an onboard power source so that you can keep gaming even when the power is out! And so that the secret satellite data uplink can't be interrupted mid transfer.

Jimmy telling you that the man in the XBONE told him to burn the neighbor's house down just means that he pwned a 30 year old on LIVE who took it badly.

The blood just means you chose poorly when deciding where to hide the body.  >.>
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 13, 2013, 06:50:44 PM
Xbox One dev takes to Reddit to answer fan questions (http://gematsu.com/2013/07/xbox-one-dev-takes-to-reddit-to-answer-fan-questions) -- Source: Gematsu
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on July 13, 2013, 11:08:01 PM
And you all thought I was nuts about being worried about always on kinect.
If it's about any of this 'big brother' stuff, you are.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on July 13, 2013, 11:14:50 PM
Well, if it makes you feel better about Ash's dismissal of your concerns, Yoda, that "big brother" stuff is 100% what I'm concerned about.  If they can watch and listen to you all the time, they can figure out how to target ads at you more specifically, so it absolutely makes financial sense for them to do so.  And what makes financial sense is what happens, regardless of whether it's nice or not.

The crazy thing about all of that stuff covered in the interview is that it really feels like they're only explaining the good side of all of it NOW, after everybody got pissed.  Like "oh, yeah, that whole DRM thing was to enable you to share games really easily with close friends and family."  Well, that's a great feature!  Maybe they didn't implement it in the best possible way, but it's still a great idea.  But we didn't really hear anything about that in the presentations where they said "you have to be online every day or you can't play any games," which is a terrible feature.  Sounds like lots of good stuff crippled by horrible communication.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on July 13, 2013, 11:17:36 PM
I dunno, I think streaming video 24/7 of millions of living rooms around America (and eventually, the world) as unfeasible as a concept.

Now if you were talking about something like tracking your eye movements or body language while you were watching a commercial on the XB1 or something, I'd agree that that might be something they'd do.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on July 13, 2013, 11:37:43 PM
I think more likely it'll happen with any video conversations or whatever, which is essentially what they've been ousted as doing anyway.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on July 14, 2013, 02:49:25 AM
I really have to wonder...

Is anyone on this board actually entertaining the idea of getting this?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on July 14, 2013, 04:49:17 AM
I really have to wonder...

Is anyone on this board actually entertaining the idea of getting this?
Only if I can sell it to someone for double the cost.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on July 14, 2013, 05:20:14 AM
I really have to wonder...

Is anyone on this board actually entertaining the idea of getting this?
It came down to PS4 or Xbox One. I chose PS4, because it has the games I'm more interested in. If I had the cash I'd get a XB1 as well, but I don't.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aurian on July 14, 2013, 02:48:25 PM
I don't see anything I want for Xbox 1 and if it has to be online all the time, unless it has built in WIFI, i can't use it. I'm not rearranging my living room to make the cable from the computer reach over there every bloody day.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on July 14, 2013, 02:52:30 PM
I really have to wonder...

Is anyone on this board actually entertaining the idea of getting this?

Not any time soon. A few years off maybe things will change, but for the immediate future I'd see no need for it over the PS4.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: GrimReality on July 15, 2013, 09:49:14 AM
PS4 is certainly looking to be priority one, but I imagine over time I'll end up with a XBone as well. Similar to the last gen. I pretty much always end up with every console. It's all about having enough exclusive games to justify it. Way too early to say I'll never get one. Way too early for anyone to say that, really. Unless you never had a 360, and can't stand MS.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Taelus on July 15, 2013, 02:03:02 PM
Definitely not getting an XB1. Microsoft has basically never (with the exception of Lost Odyssey on 360 and Phantom Dust on XB) catered to my tastes, and the type of experience they cultivated with 360 and are trying to cultivate on XB1 are 100% not for me. All the other stuff re: Kinect and their current exclusives (like the hilariously shitty-looking Ryse) pretty much confirm that this is a no-buy for me at launch, and their past with consoles confirms it'll stay a no-buy throughout its lifespan.

PS4, though, looks a bit more to my liking. I generally enjoy the Worldwide Studios games, I like the philosophy of the console, and several games look like I'll be on board.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: MeshGearFox on July 16, 2013, 07:15:56 PM
Quote
Microsoft has basically never (with the exception of Lost Odyssey on 360 and Phantom Dust on XB) catered to my tastes, and the type of experience they cultivated with 360

'Game ecosystems' are interesting. The PS2's library was huge and varied enough that its game ecosystem never really took on any particular character, but if you look at the other three systems from that generation, there was something very distinctive about what the DC, GC, and XBox all got, and of the three, the XBox was just consistently the least interesting for me. I have one, I have gamers for it, there are some games for it I've liked quite a bit, but it wasn't a varied system -- the only big RPG I remember it getting was Fable, which was... about as immediately offputting to me as anything else Molyneux's touched since 1997... and a lot of his output before that, really, although there are some Bullfrog games I like -- and most of the games for it felt like they were made for people with chinstraps and popped collars. Whatever that means.

Actually most of the XBox games that interest me were cancelled dreamcast things anyway. Still planning on picking up JSRF, Otogi 2, and Ninja Gaiden Black whenever I see them in any case...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on July 16, 2013, 07:24:30 PM
The real biggest RPG the Xbox got was Knights of the Old Republic, possibly followed by the sequel although given the state that was released in and the mods on PC it's better to go PC there. Well, it is too for KotOR1, but not as big of a deal.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on July 16, 2013, 10:59:49 PM
The real biggest RPG the Xbox got was Knights of the Old Republic, possibly followed by the sequel although given the state that was released in and the mods on PC it's better to go PC there. Well, it is too for KotOR1, but not as big of a deal.

There was also Jade Empire but again, the PC was probably the better choice as well.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on July 18, 2013, 10:01:50 PM
Since I'm not the crazy that reviewed Jade Empire on IGN initially I'd put KotOR above that. Though, yeah, Bioware more or less dominated for RPGs there.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on July 24, 2013, 05:11:23 PM
So MS reversed-course on indie self-publishing (http://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-confirms-self-publishing-for-xbox-one-258667.phtml).  Wonder what they'll do a 180 on next...

Gotta love this PR bullshit, though:
Quote
Our vision is that every person can be a creator. That every Xbox One can be used for development. That every game and experience can take advantage of all of the features of Xbox One and Xbox LIVE. This means self-publishing.

Doing the same thing as all your competitors only after consumers and developers bitch endlessly about your policies is so visionary!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on July 24, 2013, 05:25:43 PM
I am getting so pissed at Microsoft for all these turnarounds. Not because they're bad for the industry, I think they're awesome for the industry. But it garners more support for Microsoft who have now shown not only are they willing to try and screw over their customers as much as they're allowed, but also that they're incredibly disingenuous.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on July 24, 2013, 08:14:58 PM
So MS reversed-course on indie self-publishing (http://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-confirms-self-publishing-for-xbox-one-258667.phtml).  Wonder what they'll do a 180 on next...

Gotta love this PR bullshit, though:
Quote
Our vision is that every person can be a creator. That every Xbox One can be used for development. That every game and experience can take advantage of all of the features of Xbox One and Xbox LIVE. This means self-publishing.

Doing the same thing as all your competitors only after consumers and developers bitch endlessly about your policies is so visionary!

I think at this point Microsoft really should just give up and call the fucker the XBox One-Eighty (or perhaps the Xboneatetee).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on July 25, 2013, 05:50:03 PM
So MS reversed-course on indie self-publishing (http://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-confirms-self-publishing-for-xbox-one-258667.phtml).  Wonder what they'll do a 180 on next...

Gotta love this PR bullshit, though:
Quote
Our vision is that every person can be a creator. That every Xbox One can be used for development. That every game and experience can take advantage of all of the features of Xbox One and Xbox LIVE. This means self-publishing.

Doing the same thing as all your competitors only after consumers and developers bitch endlessly about your policies is so visionary!

Seriously!  Fuck them.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on July 25, 2013, 07:42:23 PM
I like the "analysts" who keep saying that MS is listening to their consumers and adjusting their policies based on feedback...cuz you know, all the negative backlash and complaints and condemning reviews had nothing to do with their sudden changes.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Esper_Crusader on July 25, 2013, 10:12:31 PM
Its just business. They have to position themselves as a viable option. I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped to $450 in the near future. Its the kinect that's making it $500..
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 08, 2013, 12:32:30 PM
Videos and News:

Unboxing Xbox One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbrmAsxJPv4) / An Insider's Look at the Xbox One Controller (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4SYaTLCWL0) -- xbox, YouTube

Xbox One won't require Kinect to function (http://gematsu.com/2013/08/xbox-one-wont-require-kinect-to-function) -- Gematsu

Xbox One pad to get PC compatibility in 2014 (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/423909/xbox-one-pad-to-get-pc-compatibility-in-2014/) -- CVG
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on August 20, 2013, 11:29:35 AM
http://gematsu.com/2013/08/xbox-one-launch-lineup-announced

Here's a list of what Microsoft's claiming to be their launch titles for the XBoneighty.

http://gematsu.com/2013/08/microsoft-announces-indie-devs-xbox-program

And here's where they talk about their new and improved Indie Dev program.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on August 20, 2013, 12:30:50 PM
So MS did:
a 180 with the physical disc sharing/locking
a 180 with the always online
a 180 with the kinect requirement

If they change their mind another time, they should have just called it the 720.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 20, 2013, 12:43:47 PM
^Yeah but Microsoft just did their console less desirable to a bunch of people with the way they handled their own mess.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on August 20, 2013, 02:10:21 PM
I've said the same thing elsewhere, Ygg. Basically, those who didn't want the original XBone are already looking forward to the PS4/made up their minds. The people who were actually looking forward to some of the XBone features are now upset with Microsoft too.

So they've gotten a few more people to eventually own both consoles, and that's about it.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 21, 2013, 05:41:15 PM
What does Microsoft have to say about Sony's Xbox One "shifting message" dig? (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-21-what-does-microsoft-have-to-say-about-sonys-xbox-one-shifting-message-dig) -- Source: Eurogamer
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on August 21, 2013, 05:50:31 PM
I'll just quote what MikeP said in the comments on that article:

Quote
"Listening to what people say" is a strength.

Appearing to not actually remotely understand what your customers want in the first place is a weakness.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 22, 2013, 01:04:31 AM
Why did nobody told me that such a thing like the Sega Activator existed back in the 90's? I never knew that Sega had something similar (more or less) to the Kinect in those years.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on August 22, 2013, 01:12:46 AM
Why did nobody told me that such a thing like the Sega Activator existed back in the 90's? I never knew that Sega had something similar (more or less) to the Kinect in those years.

Because we'd rather not feel old by acknowledging people might actually be young enough to not have heard of it. Especially since there's a good chance those people are 20 or a bit over now.

Though I guess maybe you ARE old enough and just didn't follow Sega or games at all then, whichever.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 22, 2013, 01:36:24 AM
Why did nobody told me that such a thing like the Sega Activator existed back in the 90's? I never knew that Sega had something similar (more or less) to the Kinect in those years.

Because we'd rather not feel old by acknowledging people might actually be young enough to not have heard of it. Especially since there's a good chance those people are 20 or a bit over now.

Though I guess maybe you ARE old enough and just didn't follow Sega or games at all then, whichever.

Oh, I see.

Still the videos posted on YouTube of the Activator are pretty fun. So at least we got something out of that thing. :P
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on August 22, 2013, 04:50:25 AM
Why did nobody told me that such a thing like the Sega Activator existed back in the 90's? I never knew that Sega had something similar (more or less) to the Kinect in those years.

Because we'd rather not feel old by acknowledging people might actually be young enough to not have heard of it. Especially since there's a good chance those people are 20 or a bit over now.

Though I guess maybe you ARE old enough and just didn't follow Sega or games at all then, whichever.

Or it could've been like many other peripherals from that era in that they were too gimmicky, obscure, and expensive at the time to care. I mean, who here remembers the NES's Keyboard peripheral?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on August 22, 2013, 05:11:30 AM
I had a Power Glove.  It was so bad.

No, I don't mean that in a good way ;)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ranadiel on August 22, 2013, 06:45:39 AM
What does Microsoft have to say about Sony's Xbox One "shifting message" dig? (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-21-what-does-microsoft-have-to-say-about-sonys-xbox-one-shifting-message-dig) -- Source: Eurogamer
A couple of choice quotes.....

Quote
Spencer explained his position: "We built a platform for gamers. ..."
Which is why the XBone was so well received...

Quote
"“Now, we have a vision, and we've stayed on that vision around the digital ecosystem we want to put on Xbox Live,” he said.
And if I had any interest in the XBone at any point due to their reversals (which I didn't), this would probably kill it.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Agent D. on August 22, 2013, 07:12:41 AM
I had a Power Glove.  It was so bad.

No, I don't mean that in a good way ;)
Hah, The Wizard was so awesome.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on August 22, 2013, 02:15:16 PM
I had a Power Glove.  It was so bad.

No, I don't mean that in a good way ;)

I, thankfully, stuck to the Zapper.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Akanbe- on August 22, 2013, 11:44:59 PM
I had a Power Glove.  It was so bad.

No, I don't mean that in a good way ;)

"Google showed no results for 'Power Glove Fist Fuck'"
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on August 23, 2013, 12:05:58 AM

Quote
Spencer explained his position: "We built a platform for gamers. ..."
Which is why the XBone was so well received...

My favorite response to that bit in the comments was "Yeah, but that was 8 years ago."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 23, 2013, 05:40:00 PM
Killer Instinct (2013): Pricing reveal breakdown w/Maximilian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikz5T7NboWQ) -- Miles923, YouTube

Microsoft explains Ryse microtransactions: "There's nothing sinister, we promise" (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-23-microsoft-explains-ryse-microtransactions-theres-nothing-sinister-we-promise) -- Source: Eurogamer
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on August 25, 2013, 11:23:47 AM
Titanfall or whatever looks fucking amazing. That blows away any Sony exclusive so far, I'd say.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 25, 2013, 02:51:14 PM
Digital Foundry vs. Respawn: the Titanfall interview (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-respawn-the-titanfall-interview) -- Source: Eurogamer / Digital Foundry

Xbox One launch line-up revealed (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-20-xbox-one-launch-line-up?utm_source=eurogamer&utm_medium=header-promo&utm_campaign=Xbox+One+launch+line-up) -- Source: Eurogamer

・Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag
・Battlefield 4
・Call of Duty: Ghosts
・Crimson Dragon
・Dead Rising 3
・FIFA 14
・Fighter Within
・Forza Motorsport 5
・Just Dance 2014
・Killer Instinct
・LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
・Lococycle
・Madden NFL 25
・NBA 2K14
・NBA LIVE 14
・Need for Speed: Rivals
・Peggle 2
・Powerstar Golf
・Ryse: Son of Rome
・Skylanders: Swap Force
・Watch Dogs
・Zoo Tycoon
・Zumba Fitness: World Party

Xbox One receives 150ghz CPU boost, now in full production (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/09/xbox-one-receives-150ghz-cpu-boost-now.html) -- All Games Beta

(http://i43.tinypic.com/qx2cu0.png)
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 04, 2013, 09:24:05 AM
Xbox One to Launch on November 22, 2013 in 13 Markets (http://news.xbox.com/2013/09/xbox-one-launch) -- Source: Xbox Wire

(http://i42.tinypic.com/34ex4eg.png)

I also edited my last post in the thread about the PS4 so if anyone is interested in that go check it out here (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=12167.msg302388#msg302388).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Kevadu on September 24, 2013, 04:52:26 AM
Microsoft sticks their foot in their mouth again (http://www.destructoid.com/xbox-one-s-long-term-trajectory-hasn-t-changed-at-all--262366.phtml)...

And they were doing so well...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Aeolus on September 24, 2013, 10:25:14 AM
Microsoft sticks their foot in their mouth again (http://www.destructoid.com/xbox-one-s-long-term-trajectory-hasn-t-changed-at-all--262366.phtml)...

And they were doing so well...


Alright, show of hands. Who here didn't expect this?

They're at least still ahead of their own game from May, for what little that's worth.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on September 24, 2013, 10:34:03 AM
Microsoft sticks their foot in their mouth again (http://www.destructoid.com/xbox-one-s-long-term-trajectory-hasn-t-changed-at-all--262366.phtml)...

And they were doing so well...


"I think you're going to like this speech, I have you saying stuff that isn't all that bad but you're going to word it all in the worst way possible."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 06, 2013, 11:49:59 PM
A random kid looks to have a retail Xbox One (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/10/a-random-kid-looks-to-have-retail-xbox.html) -- All Games Beta

"I got it today. 'cos of reasons..."

Edit: Two dudes from NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=85072781&postcount=1) say that is a dev kit.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on October 07, 2013, 07:57:00 AM
A random kid looks to have a retail Xbox One (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/10/a-random-kid-looks-to-have-retail-xbox.html) -- All Games Beta

"I got it today. 'cos of reasons..."

Edit: Two dudes from NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=85072781&postcount=1) say that is a dev kit.

Must be totally worth it to break an NDA and have MS know who you are:
http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1nve0t/xbox_one_unboxing_by_some_lucky_kid_youtube_video/ccmkjw9?context=3
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 25, 2013, 02:05:53 PM
Xbox One: Invitation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1mfIg1I3zE) -- xbox, YouTube

Killer Instinct: Dojo Mode Breakdown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvgIMKuozZ8) -- Miles923, YouTube

Albert Penello told 'You Don't Need to Know' on Call of Duty: Ghosts' resolution on Xbox One; explains more (http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/10/25/albert-penello-told-you-dont-need-to-know-on-call-of-duty-ghosts-resolution-on-xbox-one-explains-more/) -- DualShockers
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 06, 2013, 09:26:37 AM
Call of Duty: Ghosts earns $1 billion on first day of sales (http://gematsu.com/2013/11/call-of-duty-ghosts-1-billion-first-day-sales) -- Source: Gematsu

This is ridiculous.

I never understood why is that so many people has a boner for CoD. Then again, I get that big part of the success of CoD comes from that accessibility for all kinds of players of practically any age, it's fast-food entertainment for people to consume, is all about getting that money instead doing something worthwhile. People then ask on forums why so much of the gaming space went to shit...

Also, all the drama with the resolution of Ghost and Battlefield 4 seems that is gonna end up just as that in most people minds; A drama. Which kind of sucks because stuff like must be important for the user.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yoda on November 06, 2013, 11:48:37 AM
Call of Duty: Ghosts earns $1 billion on first day of sales (http://gematsu.com/2013/11/call-of-duty-ghosts-1-billion-first-day-sales) -- Source: Gematsu

This is ridiculous.

I never understood why is that so many people has a boner for CoD. Then again, I get that big part of the success of CoD comes from that accessibility for all kinds of players of practically any age, it's fast-food entertainment for people to consume, is all about getting that money instead doing something worthwhile. People then ask on forums why so much of the gaming space went to shit...

Also, all the drama with the resolution of Ghost and Battlefield 4 seems that is gonna end up just as that in most people minds; A drama. Which kind of sucks because stuff like must be important for the user.

Why do you care so much? If anything it's good for companies to have cash cows like CoD and Fifa and Madden. Other great games are still being made.

Then there's this... which is hilarious
(spoiler)
http://youtu.be/5E82ZkHTiVU
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 06, 2013, 11:06:47 PM
Dead Rising 3 Gameplay Walkthrough - Adam Sessler with Capcom's Josh Bridge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haq8FAK4ysk) -- Rev3Games, YouTube

Why do you care so much?

Because I can?
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on November 06, 2013, 11:14:39 PM
Bossman resumes next gen
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/3iw7co/the-final-bosman-the-battle-of-the-bands
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 08, 2013, 10:01:31 AM
Xbox One? Man, I saw that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXwud8fSNhs) -- Giant Bomb, YouTube

"We saw, played, and got video of over four (4) Xbox One games. And we'd like to tell you about it."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 19, 2013, 12:20:16 AM
KILLER INSTINCT - The Reviews Are In (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kngLvEMoi0I) -- Miles923, YouTube

Xbox One Uncut Demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkCU03DrtUw) / How many people can Kinect handle? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5D0050sxio) -- IGN, YouTube
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 22, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
Giant Bomb - 11/22/13 - Giant Bombception (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwXS3Q1EmGI)

Edit: Twitch Archive (http://www.twitch.tv/giantbomb/b/482110552).
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Alisha on November 25, 2013, 12:56:41 PM
Call of Duty: Ghosts earns $1 billion on first day of sales (http://gematsu.com/2013/11/call-of-duty-ghosts-1-billion-first-day-sales) -- Source: Gematsu

This is ridiculous.

I never understood why is that so many people has a boner for CoD. Then again, I get that big part of the success of CoD comes from that accessibility for all kinds of players of practically any age, it's fast-food entertainment for people to consume, is all about getting that money instead doing something worthwhile. People then ask on forums why so much of the gaming space went to shit...

Also, all the drama with the resolution of Ghost and Battlefield 4 seems that is gonna end up just as that in most people minds; A drama. Which kind of sucks because stuff like must be important for the user.

Why do you care so much? If anything it's good for companies to have cash cows like CoD and Fifa and Madden. Other great games are still being made.

Then there's this... which is hilarious
(spoiler)
http://youtu.be/5E82ZkHTiVU

i only care because i wish rpg's could make those kind of sales
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Darilon on November 25, 2013, 04:19:10 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-25-xbox-one-tv-integration-suffers-noticeable-judder-in-uk?utm_source=eurogamer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=net-daily

No love for Europe :(

Wonder how an issue like this got past testing.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on November 25, 2013, 04:23:25 PM
No love for Europe :(

No love for people who swear:
http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/25/xbox-one-microsoft-is-reportedly-banning-users-from-using-skype-and-upload-studio-for-swearing/
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on November 25, 2013, 04:26:18 PM
No love for Europe :(

No love for people who swear:
http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/25/xbox-one-microsoft-is-reportedly-banning-users-from-using-skype-and-upload-studio-for-swearing/

Nope. (http://www.polygon.com/2013/11/25/5143542/report-xbox-one-skype-upload-studio-users-banned-for-swearing)

Well, "excessive swearing" in Upload Studios, really should've had an "inappropriate for minors" flag built in.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Klutz64 on November 25, 2013, 04:35:35 PM
Call of Duty: Ghosts earns $1 billion on first day of sales (http://gematsu.com/2013/11/call-of-duty-ghosts-1-billion-first-day-sales) -- Source: Gematsu

This is ridiculous.

I never understood why is that so many people has a boner for CoD. Then again, I get that big part of the success of CoD comes from that accessibility for all kinds of players of practically any age, it's fast-food entertainment for people to consume, is all about getting that money instead doing something worthwhile. People then ask on forums why so much of the gaming space went to shit...

Also, all the drama with the resolution of Ghost and Battlefield 4 seems that is gonna end up just as that in most people minds; A drama. Which kind of sucks because stuff like must be important for the user.

Why do you care so much? If anything it's good for companies to have cash cows like CoD and Fifa and Madden. Other great games are still being made.

Then there's this... which is hilarious
(spoiler)
http://youtu.be/5E82ZkHTiVU

i only care because i wish rpg's could make those kind of sales

To be somewhat fair I'm pretty sure that number was meant to skew the actual sales of the game itself. Every retailer I've talked to has agreed that it didn't sell nearly as well as Black Ops 2.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on November 25, 2013, 04:37:52 PM
Well, "excessive swearing" in Upload Studios, really should've had an "inappropriate for minors" flag built in.

Ah - I am overly paranoid about the Kinect camera and mic, but even I thought that "they blocked me for swearing over Skype" story was too crazy to be true.  Thanks for finding that, Eusis.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: The Legendary Zoltan on November 25, 2013, 08:11:41 PM
Banned for swearing on Skype is just insane. Did that I really happen? Sorry, I didn't go back and read all the previous messages.

Anyway, I made this video. All the specifics mentioned in it are true but it's comedy, so no need to get upset. It's just supposed to give you a laugh. ^_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwsRKLdtl_s&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwlnPPVX8YCgfPXR9VItNHg

Enjoy!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Tooker on November 25, 2013, 08:35:47 PM
Er... not even the one post right before the one you posted? :)

No, it didn't really happen.  Someone said it did, but that wasn't true.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on November 26, 2013, 05:10:52 AM
Banned for swearing on Skype is just insane. Did that I really happen? Sorry, I didn't go back and read all the previous messages.

I posted my link for a reason: it did not, there was a bug in the system, and I want people to KNOW THIS so we don't get post after post operating on misinformation.
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: The Legendary Zoltan on November 26, 2013, 08:28:02 AM
Understood!
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Annubis on November 26, 2013, 01:21:37 PM
I am overly paranoid about the Kinect camera and mic

Don't take off your tinfoil hat just yet =P

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=723175
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on November 27, 2013, 02:15:35 AM
So, here's how I see these people:

"What's with all these kids on XBL/PSN with their racial epithets and homophobic slurs, why won't Microsoft/Sony ban them for ruining our experience?"

8 years later:

"What is this NSA bullshit, if I want to call someone a faggot in-game that's my fucking business."
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Eusis on November 27, 2013, 03:03:49 AM
So, here's how I see these people:

"What's with all these kids on XBL/PSN with their racial epithets and homophobic slurs, why won't Microsoft/Sony ban them for ruining our experience?"

8 years later:

"What is this NSA bullshit, if I want to call someone a faggot in-game that's my fucking business."

Isn't that kind of going into extremes here? Nevermind I don't think anyone's too concerned over that so much as saying dick, shit, fuck, etc. in videos and with no options to just not let minors see them, maybe even not allow it for private storage. Yeah, I understand they don't want kids exposes to it, but besides the fact most kids are well exposed already there's the fact there's better options then a blanket ban, especially when they can turn around and watch something on Youtube that throws in swearing anyway.

Nevermind if it's footage of an M rated game with loads of swearing anyway...
Title: Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
Post by: Ashton on November 27, 2013, 03:10:54 AM
I'm hoping this is implemented into a system that will be used to police an infrastructure fraught with ridiculous douchebags with mouths that spew raw fecal matter whenever they are opened, but we'll see.

I do think it's a bit overboard for single player though...