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Title: Doctor Who
Post by: Daggerstrike on June 01, 2013, 06:32:29 PM
Matt Smith is leaving Doctor Who. They better not fuck up the casting for the 12th.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Bleaker on June 01, 2013, 07:44:59 PM
They confirmed him for Series 8, and than unconfirmed him. I'm guessing someone jumped the gun during negotiations. Whoever confirmed him are assholes. They gave me hope and took it away dang it!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Syn on June 02, 2013, 04:11:15 AM
They confirmed him for Series 8, and than unconfirmed him. I'm guessing someone jumped the gun during negotiations. Whoever confirmed him are assholes. They gave me hope and took it away dang it!
I'm more frustrated with myself than anything else because I bought into those rumors from last week saying he was staying for series 8. At the same time, almost every rumor has had him pegged for leaving the show after the Christmas special. Makes me wonder if/when/who they will be filming the regeneration. Surly they haven't cast the 12th Doctor yet, thus they'll need Smith for some final shoots...

Regardless, Tennant and Smith have provided us with 8+ years of stellar Doctor Who moments and I'm looking forward to the new Doctor, whoever it may be.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on June 02, 2013, 07:42:48 AM
Dang, I really loved Matt Smith as the Doctor and I was hoping we could get another 3+ years out of him. Oh well. I'll just have to hope that the next Doctor is a good choice.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Raze on June 02, 2013, 10:47:11 AM
 I'm amazed it's been 3 years already. When I think about it it sounds right. But it doesn't FEEL right. Maybe it's just because they only give you a little Who(6ish episodes) at a time.

 Smith overcame the emo doctor label and ended up being pretty good. He easily had a few more seasons in him and it's a shame to see him leave.

 I wonder why everyone is so quick to leave the show. One season and you're typecast regardless and I'm sure the money is good.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on June 02, 2013, 11:59:59 AM
The thing is, it's a "normal" amount of time to stay.  I think people just think that Doctors stay longer because Tom Baker was around for so long.  Tennant actually stayed longer than most.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_actors_who_have_played_the_Doctor
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Syn on June 02, 2013, 06:27:49 PM
I'm amazed it's been 3 years already. When I think about it it sounds right. But it doesn't FEEL right. Maybe it's just because they only give you a little Who(6ish episodes) at a time.

 Smith overcame the emo doctor label and ended up being pretty good. He easily had a few more seasons in him and it's a shame to see him leave.

 I wonder why everyone is so quick to leave the show. One season and you're typecast regardless and I'm sure the money is good.
I think they leave after 3-4 years due to an increase in their popularity and demand. Once you land "the Doctor", 70+ million people soon learn your name, so naturally if you're even a remotely good actor, people are going to want you. I believe Matt Smith made it clear that he wants to break into Hollywood at this point in his career.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on June 03, 2013, 07:11:49 AM
It's too bad. I would have liked him to stay for one more season.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Daggerstrike on June 03, 2013, 03:24:15 PM
I really like the chemistry between Clara and this iteration of the Doctor. I wanted to see more of Matt Smiths doctor interacting with that character.

All I know is the next Doctor better not be American or a woman.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on June 03, 2013, 03:40:34 PM
It's time for a gay Doctor.

He regenerates and doesn't need to mope about River any more cause he is all about the mens now.

Male companions obviously will be more prevalent.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Bleaker on June 03, 2013, 06:18:25 PM
His moping about River was nothing compared to David Tennant's moping about Rose.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Logick on August 02, 2013, 11:56:06 PM
New doctor being announced live this sunday..

Get your "oh him?!?!?" faces ready.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on August 03, 2013, 12:44:16 AM
New doctor being announced live this sunday..

Get your "oh him?!?!?" faces ready.

Probably more like "Who's that?"
I certainly hadn't heard of Matt Smith before Doctor Who.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on August 04, 2013, 12:06:32 AM
I've heard there are 2-1 odds on Peter Capaldi.

I'm okay with this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Capaldi

I'd like to have someone a bit older again.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Daggerstrike on August 04, 2013, 02:29:28 PM
I've heard there are 2-1 odds on Peter Capaldi.

I'm okay with this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Capaldi

I'd like to have someone a bit older again.

Indeed it is.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on August 04, 2013, 02:32:32 PM
Woot, go Scotland. Two Doctors.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Daggerstrike on August 04, 2013, 02:34:39 PM
Considering some of the hints they dropped during Name of The Doctor about the actions of the next Doctor I am glad they got someone a little older. He is going to be one bad ass motherfucker.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Yoda on August 04, 2013, 02:41:17 PM
HOLY FUCK I LOVE THAT GUY



Shit time to catch up to speed and watch everything after Eccleston


Seriously I'm excited as all hell.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on August 04, 2013, 05:42:06 PM
I've heard there are 2-1 odds on Peter Capaldi.

I'm okay with this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Capaldi

I'd like to have someone a bit older again.

Indeed it is.

I am pretty pleased with this choice.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Prime Mover on August 07, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
Very happy about the choice. Ironically, the morning before he was announced I had just happened to rewatch Fires of Pompeii, which he's STELLAR in. Actually, he acts very much like a Doctor in that Episode: serious but with a funny side... Roman sculptor/statue salesman. Great in Torchwood too, though his character was tragic and creepy as fuck!

I think this is the only other Doctor besides Collin Baker who was on the show before he was chosen to play the roll. Collin's character was an ass on his introductory episode, though I actually really grew to like him as the Doctor (though everyone else loves to hate on him). Everyone bases their opinion on him of his first episode, which is horrible... and he had the worst companion ever.

Of course, quite a few companions have appeared previously, which is a hold over from Romana II (who regenerated into the form of the female lead from the previous episode), since then Martha, Donna (as herself), and Amy all were in previous episodes. In Karen Gillian's case, it was ALSO Fires of Pompeii, though I don't think she and Capaldi are on screen together.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on August 07, 2013, 03:33:02 PM
In case anyone doesn't remember which Torchwood he was in, he had a pretty big part in the series Children of Earth.

It's been weird to me to see people online saying "how are they going to explain that he was in those shows?" Because to me, it's exactly as you say, Prime. Plenty of folks have had appearances before going on to a bigger part. No need to explain it at all.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on August 07, 2013, 05:06:38 PM
I worry that the people who stay stuff like that don't realise it's a TV show.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Prime Mover on August 07, 2013, 07:09:23 PM
It's been weird to me to see people online saying "how are they going to explain that he was in those shows?" Because to me, it's exactly as you say, Prime. Plenty of folks have had appearances before going on to a bigger part. No need to explain it at all.

It's wonderful to see the few times that actors from the old show have returned. I recently went back and watched ALL of the old Doctor Who (1-7, though a bit out of order), and noticed a number of actors that have appeared in the recent series, though not the same characters. The one I always love, and I've seen him in other places, was the guy who played the silly tour guide on Voyage of the Damned, played an evil scientist working for the Daleks in one of the Sixth Doctor episodes... though he had a big mustache.

I suspect they'll be bringing back the time lords for the 50th anniversary. I think it's about time. It's been a wonderful mini-arc with the Doctor being the last time lord, but it's never been a show-defining theme. Thankfully, I've heard a few leaks that suggest that they'll finally bring the time war to a close. Ya know what might be really wonderful? Bring back Romana! It's always been wonderful for the Doctor to have a peer equal. I doubt we'll ever get the amazing chemistry of Tom Baker and Lalla Ward, but I think there's so much that could have been done with Romana as a non-companion side character. I guess she's all over the place in the radio series. Hell, Lalla Ward is only 7 years older than Capaldi, not that they'd need her... and I believe she's regenerated a few times in the radio series.

Also... after this season, I think it might be time for the writer/producer to regenerate. I've enjoyed Steven Moffet's take on the story, but he can get a bit repetitive after a while, and that's one of the things that typically makes the series what it is: lack of repetition. New actors, new locales, new arcs, new writers and new producers. The whole "Doctor Who as a Fairy Tale" has turned out better than I would have originally thought, but I think it might be getting to be time for a new person to sit in the head writer's seat and put his/her spin on the series.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on August 07, 2013, 07:19:03 PM
I am so sick of the fairy tale Doctor Who. I like Neil Gaiman-y stuff but a whole series of wishy-washy morality tales is getting as you say, repetitive.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on August 07, 2013, 11:51:56 PM
The only producer I can think of who really stayed on too long was John Nathan Turner, who was there for the whole of the 80s run.

I know he was quite involved at the start, he was involved with a lot of the choices such as costume (the question mark shirt) and such.
The story I've read repeatedly is that he kept trying to move on and the BBC wouldn't let him.
By the time of McCoy, he didn't give a fuck and basically was a figurehead and was letting Andrew Cartmel run the series.
Hence why we got the two fantastic seasons with McCoy and Ace before the show was canceled.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Prime Mover on August 08, 2013, 02:27:26 PM
I actually thought McCoy was dull and pathetic... but Ace was one of the greatest companions ever and held the show all by herself. But my big problem with McCoy's run is, and I'm surprised I'm saying this, but it's SO 80s!!! I usually look fondly on the 80s, but even I have my limits. The intro sequence just sets it off badly, the music is terrible and the animation is gawd awful (Dalia herself said she was appalled at the music). Then the sets and costumes all look like they're out of some John Carpenter pulp flick. Suddenly the incidental music is all 80s synth pop (wasn't before). Even the alien worlds feel like 80s earth pop. Somehow late Tom Baker, Davison, and Collin Baker didn't have this problem, the aliens were still alien and the the show doesn't feel incredibly dated. I feel like the McCoy run was trying to be too hip, and it might have been okay at the time, but now it just feels really dated. Watching the rest of the show, I'm impressed with how timeless it is and how accessible it is even 30-50 years later.

Maybe it was JNT, maybe it was BBC corporate who wanted to play it cool with a teenage demographic, but I just finished watching those seasons and I think it was the worst two seasons of the entire run. Even McCoy is pretty dreary to watch. He's kind of mopey and pathetic a lot of the time... unfortunately (and he can't help it) his physical stature doesn't help. He just looks pathetic and out of place everywhere.

I vastly prefer Collin Baker, who I don't understand why everyone hates so much. I've always wondered whether people have just watched his first series of episodes (which portray him as being a complete psychopath) and don't go on. After that horrible introduction (way to go BBC) he's completely different. Unfortunately, Perry is terrible: as whiney as Tegan, bitchier than Sara-Jane Smith, and has a bad American accent that drifts from line to line. This is one of those few times where I can undeniably blame the actress. Sure, the writers gave her a bad setup, but she did a horrible job. But why should Collin take the heat for it?

Everyone should give Collin Baker a chance, there are some awesome episodes in his run. Possibly my second favorite Doctor of the old series to Tom Baker. Though I love Pertwee, Troughton, and Davison too.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on August 09, 2013, 02:38:03 PM
I am so sick of the fairy tale Doctor Who. I like Neil Gaiman-y stuff but a whole series of wishy-washy morality tales is getting as you say, repetitive.

Yeah, pretty much the whole last season was just not very good. And even 5 and 6 had their problems.
I've always liked Matt Smith, so he's not the problem. It's Moffats ridiculous stories that are truly wearing on me. It's like he has all these grandiose ideas, but can't figure out how to make them work for an hour show. We're left with all sorts of loose ends, and numerous Deus Ex machina style endings.
At least the women have been crazy hot.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Prime Mover on August 16, 2013, 04:33:00 PM
The writers are totally abusing Jenna-Lousie Colman/Clara. I think she could be (or could have been) my very favorite companion, but they've all designed plots that completely ignore her strengths. The nice thing is that they've never written her badly, but they don't utilize her well at all. I don't think anyone disagrees that Clara is at her best when she's WITH the doctor, and the two of them are bantering back and forth. This has been an age old leitmotif in the show, however, I think the Jenna does this better than ANY previous companion (and I've seen every existing episode). Some are tougher (Ace), some are more dominant (Amy, Romana), some are sweeter (Jo Grants), Jenna/Clara's strength is in the toe-to-toe banter. Yet, the writers insist that in practically every episode, she's stolen away or the two get separated and spend the bulk of the episode apart, unable to play to this strength.

Some may say that this is always been a common theme, but really, it's not THAT common. Yes, there is the occasional "save the princess" episode, and from time to time, the two end up on opposite sides of a wall, banding together with different allies. But I have to say that after seeing the entire series, old and new, it was far less than 50%, and so far this season is pushing 90%. Even when they are together, The Doctor and Clara are given very little "alone time," in which to play out their parts. By-in-large, Clara spends much of her time trapped: dying (Snowmen), paralyzed (Rings of Akoten), comatose (Bells of Saint John), in another dimension (both Hide & Journey to the Center of the Tardis), or held hostage (Cold War).

It's a weird problem, because the writers ARE writing her well, but they keep creating plots in which they can't utilize her. Not surprising that I think the person who wrote her the best was Niel Gaimen. Sure, his episode was flawed and heavily criticized by fans for his obnoxious children and Swiss cheese of plot, both which I felt were only minor problems in overall enjoyable episode.

God I hope they make up for it with some fun episode before Matt leaves. I've started thinking of Clara as sort of an unromantic girlfriend to the Doctor... a girlfriend turned best buddy, or best buddy turned girlfriend. I could totally hear her saying, "yeah, I'm the Doctor's girlfriend, what of it?" or "The Doctor, yeah, he's my best friend and room mate, we used to date but we're better as friends." It's sort of the opposite relationship from Rose & The Doctor... incredibly romantic but somehow emotionally isolated. Eleven and Clara just have that wonderful spark... not really romantic, but magical all the same. Too bad the writers are completely drowning it.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on October 22, 2013, 09:53:30 PM
One month til the special!

New trailer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loGm3vT8EAQ
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 14, 2013, 10:24:46 AM
HOLY FUCK!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on November 14, 2013, 10:57:06 AM
Indeed.

I'm kind of sad that it confirms that
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John Hurt is a regeneration between McGann and Eccleston, because people will now argue over whether Eccleston is 9 or not, and those who still think the "timelords only get 13 regenerations" rule applies will complain when Smith regenerates because "Oh no, he's on his last regeneration!  When Capaldi leaves, they have to stop Doctor Who!"  I like the name The War Doctor that they give for him in the credits, although I think it would have been cool if he was named The Warrior.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 15, 2013, 04:49:59 AM
I think
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the name somehow refers to the War Chief from The War Games, which introduces the Time Lords
Moffat does seem to like using elements from Troughton's era.

That said I squeed like a little girl when I saw it.

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McGann! Sisterhood of Karn! Big Finish audio companions mentioned!
There were tons of theories that the Hurt Doctor was going to somehow be tied into the Brain of Morbius.

Using
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The Sisterhood of Karn certainly was an interesting aspect. Hmmmmm
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Prime Mover on November 19, 2013, 04:54:45 PM
Cool that the Sisterhood of Karn were mentioned. Too bad Brain of Morbius was such HORRIBLE episode. Grade F monster flick.

But the Sisterhood of Karn are one of those elements that has become so central to Doctor Who lore and yet never used or heard of again, possibly for good reason. Their connection to the Timelords is huge, and the possibilities are endless, maybe too much so.

BTW: for anyone who worries about the 12-regeneration limit, there are a million ways around that, some of which are very obvious canon from long ago. The Master himself is testament to that, as he supposedly was on his last regeneration back during the 4th Doctor. We know the Timelords can offer a whole new regeneration cycle, as they promised The Master for his aid, which he still managed to not give even with that incentive! The Sisterhood of Karn seem capable of doing crazy things with Timelord regeneration. The Master was able to body snatch his way into another regeneration, with all his abilities intact (though we'd assume he only has one heart). But The Timelords giving The Doctor a new regeneration cycle for saving their butts? They'd be stupid not to.

In fact, I half expect that Moffat will do that soon. If Capaldi is the final regeneration, that brings up another problem: Final Regenerations are weak. The master looked like a rotting corpse during his, though one other Timelord was referred to being in his final regeneration and looked just fine, so I'm not sure what that's about. I fully expect that the 50th anniversary will end the Time War, the Doctor(s) being the savior. If so, then the Timelords owe him that much. Hell, they go on and on about Rasilon, but The Doctor has saved and elevated their kind more than the old geezer.

The fact is, the whole "12 regenerations" was made canon during the 4th Doctor (I don't believe it was during Pertwee), when the creators had NO IDEA that the show was going to go on for that long. They probably made it 12 regenerations as a way of making the number so high that they figured we'd never have to worry. It was never a number to hang over our heads, so I have no problem with the creators making some easy way out of it, in order to stick with the original intentions of the show.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on November 19, 2013, 09:25:23 PM
Is it ok to like Doctor Who and not have a clue what you guys are talking about? I've never seen a single episode prior to the reboot. I have no clue who the Sisterhood of Karn is, and don't really care. I just like the show because it's goofy fun, and has hot companions. I'm simple like that.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on November 19, 2013, 09:33:17 PM
I've seen all of the First Doctor that's been released, and I'm one DVD set away from finishing off the Second... and I have no idea who the Sisterhood is either. :)

I honestly think that's why they put this into a prequel thing that only fans will bother to watch - if you don't get it, it's not going to seriously impact your enjoyment of the 50th anniversary show.

Do you know who the Doctor in that prequel is?  Not trying to be condescending - it just would probably be nicer to know than to not know.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 19, 2013, 10:14:17 PM
I've seen all of the First Doctor that's been released, and I'm one DVD set away from finishing off the Second... and I have no idea who the Sisterhood is either. :)

I honestly think that's why they put this into a prequel thing that only fans will bother to watch - if you don't get it, it's not going to seriously impact your enjoyment of the 50th anniversary show.

Do you know who the Doctor in that prequel is?  Not trying to be condescending - it just would probably be nicer to know than to not know.

Sisterhood of Karn is from the Fourth Doctor. You can't blame them for including something that you haven't watched.

The Doctor in the prequel is number 8. I would've thought most people at least knew that much.

Also, Brain of Morbius is a great story. :P

Related - there are wild rumours flying around that
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Tom Baker is indeed in the 50th story. And possibly Doctors 5-7. Based on a few things I've seen, I'm inclined to believe the Tom part
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on November 19, 2013, 10:32:17 PM
You took that the opposite of how I meant it. :)

I was saying "Hey, Grim, don't feel bad that you don't know who the Sisterhood is.  I've watched several seasons' worth of the old stuff, and I don't know who they are yet, either."
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 19, 2013, 10:50:51 PM
My bad.

Go watch the Brain of Morbius. And ignore Prime - it's a really fun story.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on November 20, 2013, 12:07:44 AM
 
I've seen all of the First Doctor that's been released, and I'm one DVD set away from finishing off the Second... and I have no idea who the Sisterhood is either. :)

I honestly think that's why they put this into a prequel thing that only fans will bother to watch - if you don't get it, it's not going to seriously impact your enjoyment of the 50th anniversary show.

Do you know who the Doctor in that prequel is?  Not trying to be condescending - it just would probably be nicer to know than to not know.
No, I didn't know who that was. Doctor Who geek co-worker told me, though. Lard, why would I know that if I hadn't seen anything prior to #9? I don't latch on to mythology well. I've always preferred the more stand alone type stories.
Anyway, I AM looking forward to Saturday. Should be fun.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 20, 2013, 12:38:25 AM
I sort of figured it had been covered in news stories, Doctor Who Confidential, and in fandom enough that people would at least know who the eighth doctor was all.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on November 20, 2013, 07:14:22 AM
I am sad because I will be on an airplane when this initially airs. If I'm lucky I might be able to see one of the later showings. Worst case scenario, I will watch it in theaters on Monday.
The fact is, the whole "12 regenerations" was made canon during the 4th Doctor (I don't believe it was during Pertwee), when the creators had NO IDEA that the show was going to go on for that long. They probably made it 12 regenerations as a way of making the number so high that they figured we'd never have to worry. It was never a number to hang over our heads, so I have no problem with the creators making some easy way out of it, in order to stick with the original intentions of the show.
Well they made it 12 because that is the number of hours on a clock and clock=time and time=time lords. Science! But yeah I agree with you. Hell during one of the episodes, the crew at the time tried to imply that the first Doctor was not actually the first Doctor. I imagine that crew was basically thinking, "Eh hitting the limit will never matter so let's just throw some extras in there." Although I think the easiest way to punt the ball would be to just say, "The Sisterhood of Karn's elixir effectively gave him a new life resulting in him having 12 new regenerations when he was reborn." Easy out to punt the ball for a couple of decades.
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Tom Baker is indeed in the 50th story. And possibly Doctors 5-7. Based on a few things I've seen, I'm inclined to believe the Tom part
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Yeah I had heard a rumor that Peter Davison is in it as well.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Daggerstrike on November 20, 2013, 10:13:42 AM
Cool that the Sisterhood of Karn were mentioned. Too bad Brain of Morbius was such HORRIBLE episode. Grade F monster flick.

But the Sisterhood of Karn are one of those elements that has become so central to Doctor Who lore and yet never used or heard of again, possibly for good reason. Their connection to the Timelords is huge, and the possibilities are endless, maybe too much so.

BTW: for anyone who worries about the 12-regeneration limit, there are a million ways around that, some of which are very obvious canon from long ago. The Master himself is testament to that, as he supposedly was on his last regeneration back during the 4th Doctor. We know the Timelords can offer a whole new regeneration cycle, as they promised The Master for his aid, which he still managed to not give even with that incentive! The Sisterhood of Karn seem capable of doing crazy things with Timelord regeneration. The Master was able to body snatch his way into another regeneration, with all his abilities intact (though we'd assume he only has one heart). But The Timelords giving The Doctor a new regeneration cycle for saving their butts? They'd be stupid not to.

In fact, I half expect that Moffat will do that soon. If Capaldi is the final regeneration, that brings up another problem: Final Regenerations are weak. The master looked like a rotting corpse during his, though one other Timelord was referred to being in his final regeneration and looked just fine, so I'm not sure what that's about. I fully expect that the 50th anniversary will end the Time War, the Doctor(s) being the savior. If so, then the Timelords owe him that much. Hell, they go on and on about Rasilon, but The Doctor has saved and elevated their kind more than the old geezer.

The fact is, the whole "12 regenerations" was made canon during the 4th Doctor (I don't believe it was during Pertwee), when the creators had NO IDEA that the show was going to go on for that long. They probably made it 12 regenerations as a way of making the number so high that they figured we'd never have to worry. It was never a number to hang over our heads, so I have no problem with the creators making some easy way out of it, in order to stick with the original intentions of the show.

I have a theory of how they could "reboot" his regenerations. Slightly spoilerish for people that have just started watching the series----
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When the doctor absorbed all the time energy from the TARDIS via Rose some of it could have suffused his cells and reboot the regernation cycle, making him stronger or more able to regenerate than a regular time lord. Boom.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 20, 2013, 11:57:03 AM
There's a theory going round that
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the Doctor has absorbed all the regenerations of other Tlme Lords, making him basically immortal
New mini up - http://vimeo.com/79883993

Not nearly as interesting as the last one.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Prime Mover on November 20, 2013, 02:31:10 PM
Eh, I think fans would pretty pissed if they blew it off using a prior event. Just thinking about it, suddenly the doctor regenerates, and someone's like "Wait a minute, how can you do that again?" "Oh that? Yeah, I got a whole new generation cycle years ago!" I don't think the creators would ever live that one down, especially since fans have been "worried" about it for the last few regenerations. No, mostly, I think problems are best dealt with by something at the time, not by kind of half-ass retconning it using some mumbo jumbo from years back. Whatever his new regeneration cycle will be, I think it needs to be dealt with at the end of Capaldi's run.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Prime Mover on November 20, 2013, 02:55:08 PM
My bad.

Go watch the Brain of Morbius. And ignore Prime - it's a really fun story.
Meh, I dunno what it is, but the Sarah Jane period of Tom Baker just really never got me going. There are some killer episodes like Arc in Space and Genesis of the Daleks, but I feel as if maybe they had a lower budget at the time, or were aiming too high with effects they couldn't pull off. IMO, the Pertwee era feels more polished. I'm going to go against the grain here and say that the Tom Baker period didn't really start rocking until Leela came along. I was never crazy about Sarah Jane to begin with, but it feels like she got whinier the longer she went. In fact, I believe it's part of the reason why she left... she didn't like the way she was being written. Not sure why she's everyone's favorite companion, there are a lot worse, but there are a lot of far more interesting ones. And of course, the era went out with an absolute bang with Romana II. Fuck... if they bring ANYONE from the past back with the 50th, Lala Ward. Hell, she and Capaldi are about the same age, and doesn't look all that old. I'd love to see the two of them ham it up. Greatest companion ever. Of course, you have to suffer through about 6 episodes of the tart Romana I, who I think we can all agree was an absolute bitch (even if she was smokin'). Though we get The Pirate Planet during that season, which is one of my all time favorites, Douglas Adams wrote it, and it has a lot of the same zany humor as the hitchhiker's guide.

Sorry for going off like that, I'm a huge DW nerd and I've seen all of it, except the movie (which I intend to watch this week). Back to the point, Brain of Morbius is worth seeing, if not because its huge plot implications. The first half is really quite good. I just don't like the fact that it devolves into a ridiculously corny, low budget monster flick: big plastic and rubber brain monster flailing around grunting and chasing the heroes through the castle. I just feel like it's one of the surprisingly few episodes that don't translate well to a modern audience.

But it looks like Brain of Morbius and Terror of the Zygons are the ones to see here for the upcoming episodes. Neither one is anywhere near a standout, IMO.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 20, 2013, 07:30:29 PM
I feel the exact opposite about Tom's era. It started strong, then Tom got saddled with terrible companions.

Leela is completely one dimensional, never grows or changes and is saddled with a terrible exit.

Romana I is good and I like the Key to Time season. Then it all turns to crap.

Romana II is a little snot that completely rubs me the wrong way and season 17 is easily Tom's worst season - excluding City of Death of course.

When John Nathan Turner came in and ditched the humour for a harder sci fi edge, it really felt like a breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on November 21, 2013, 06:55:18 AM
There's a theory going round that
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New mini up - http://vimeo.com/79883993

Not nearly as interesting as the last one.
Video was taken down, but you can get the video off of iTunes for free.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 21, 2013, 11:07:23 AM
Here you go

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17f1y0_50th-mini-epsode-the-last-day_shortfilms?start=5
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on November 21, 2013, 11:45:34 AM
I went there to watch that yesterday and ended up watching all of the retrospectives about the Doctors.  At least I stopped myself from watching the other stuff like The Science of Doctor Who.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on November 23, 2013, 04:18:01 PM
Yay - I saw it and don't have to worry about spoilers now!

I enjoyed it, but I do have questions.

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1) What does this mean for the daleks?  Were they sealed away along with Gallifrey? If so, wouldn't releasing Gallifrey release them too?

2) When did things change so that The Doctor killed everyone?  They've talked about it before as being time-locked and sealed away.  It was a major plot point in The End of Time (the one where The Master comes back and Tennant regenerates into Smith).
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 23, 2013, 04:26:41 PM
I really enjoyed that special.

As for your questions
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No idea what it means for the Daleks. I'm sure they'll address that for the future.

He had always killed everyone. He wiped the Daleks and Time Lords out all at once.

The entire war - including the event where he killed everyone - was supposed to be locked away.

Now it looks like things have been changed, and for the better I think.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on November 24, 2013, 12:05:36 PM
I was wondering the exact same things as you guys. I like it quite a bit, especially all the exchanges between the Doctors. John Hurt was awesome.
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I just love how he kept calling the others out on their silliness. Like with the Sonic Screwdriver, and how they talk.
I, too, thought the Time war was locked. What happened yesterday changes everything. Suddenly, we're not dealing with this haunted man whose done all these horrible things. Well, we ARE, but just not the biggest one. I actually didn't think it would happen. I figured the show would end with the bomb (or whatever it was) going off, anyway, because it couldn't be changed. I was shocked when time WAS changed. I'm not sure how this will play out in future episodes.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on November 24, 2013, 12:23:35 PM
Well, the good news is that
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it wasn't really changed.  They just didn't remember it right, and assumed that they had taken the planned course of action, which seemed to be the only one available at the time.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 24, 2013, 08:02:53 PM
Yeah I was pretty happy with how things turned out.

I utterly hated
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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on November 25, 2013, 08:09:40 PM
The episode was partially hit and partially miss for me. Basically I liked the Time War stuff, but the Zygon stuff fell flat. I'm also not sure what to think about the fact that they just ignored the whole Ascension plan thing. On one hand, that was really realluy stupid. On the other hand I feel like this makes the continuity all kinds of messed up.

Side note: What the heck was up with the curator?
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Was he supposed to be the future of the Doctor? Is there supposed to be an implication that he is able to change into aged versions of his past incarnations when he retires? Or was it just a crazy old man?
Yay - I saw it and don't have to worry about spoilers now!

I enjoyed it, but I do have questions.

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1) What does this mean for the daleks?  Were they sealed away along with Gallifrey? If so, wouldn't releasing Gallifrey release them too?

2) When did things change so that The Doctor killed everyone?  They've talked about it before as being time-locked and sealed away.  It was a major plot point in The End of Time (the one where The Master comes back and Tennant regenerates into Smith).

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1. The only thing sealed away was the planet, the Daleks that were encircling the planet killed each other as the planet they were shooting at vanished. Now in theory there might be some Daleks on the planet, but we can hand wave those away as being killed whenever the planet is brought back because they won't have an orbital support fleet dividing the Time Lord's attention.

2. It is the same as the Doctor's "death" being time locked. The events always play out exactly the same, and no amount of time travel can change it. However, the perception of events from an outside perspective are not quite what actually happened. The 10th and 11th (wait are we renumbering them now?...w/e) express confusion at their ability to be there because it is time locked. However thy are able to be there because they were always there at that point in time, just like the drum beat was able to escape because it had always escaped. Mind you, I have some serious issues with the concept of a time lock, but no one needs to listen to that tirade of mine.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on November 25, 2013, 08:47:18 PM
I think they intentionally left the curator pretty fuzzy, and I'm actually OK with that.

Future rumor spoilers, but minimal to answer a question:
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If what I've seen elsewhere today is true (and there are as many reasons to think it's not as there are reasons to think that it is), the question of numbering will be a plot point in the Christmas episode.
More detailed followup:
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The rumor is that they will be declaring that Smith is the 13th incarnation of The Doctor, which is why he's supposedly buried at Trenzalore.  The numbering would be 1-8 as traditional, then Hurt is 9, Eccleston is 10, Tennant is both 11 and 12, because of the time he regenerated into himself using his severed hand to stay as the same guy, and thus, Smith is 13.  Clearly, if this is correct, they'd be somehow either announcing that he gets another 13, or that he gets all the regenerations he wants or something, since we already know that he regenerates into Capaldi during the Christmas special.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 26, 2013, 02:05:28 AM
I've heard that too, but nothing is confirmed. It'll be interesting if true.
Supposedly, next year will be about
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trying to figure out why he regenerated when he thought he was going to die
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on November 26, 2013, 11:24:26 AM
Here's a good list of Easter Eggs from the special.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/paulaersly/greatest-easter-eggs-from-the-doctor-who-50th-anniver
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on December 01, 2013, 11:51:18 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, an "I didn't make these" production:

Cards Against Gallifrey (http://imgur.com/a/F25su)

(Captain Pedantic says "To be consistent with the original, it should be called "Cards Against Time Lords," or "Cards against Gallifreyans.")
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on December 09, 2013, 11:46:25 AM
50th anniversary spoilers (don't know if I need to mark those still):

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Moffat has confirmed that Matt Smith is still, canonically speaking, the 11th Doctor. http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headlines/8684-doctor-who-exec-confirms-numbering-matt-smith-is-the-11th-doctor
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on December 10, 2013, 07:20:55 AM
50th anniversary spoilers (don't know if I need to mark those still):

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Moffat has confirmed that Matt Smith is still, canonically speaking, the 11th Doctor. http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headlines/8684-doctor-who-exec-confirms-numbering-matt-smith-is-the-11th-doctor

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Wait what? Does Hurt not count because he was a forced regeneration or something? Doesn't really make that much sense...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on December 10, 2013, 10:21:22 AM
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He apparently doesn't count as a Doctor basically because he and the other Doctors say he isn't one of them.  He was credited as The War Doctor, so... apparently that's his name.

That said, in another interview, Moffatt has apparently also said that Smith is officially the 13th regeneration of that particular Timelord.  11 Doctors + 1 War Doctor + 1 more for the time that Tennant regenerated into himself again, using his previously cut off hand as a blueprint or whatever.  And since we know that Timelords are only supposed to get 13 regenerations, this may be a plot point in the Christmas special.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on December 11, 2013, 07:04:58 AM
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Okay that was something completely different than what it sounded like you were implying.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Esper_Crusader on December 13, 2013, 12:00:09 AM
I finally submitted to the hype.  On season 2 of the new series. Love it:)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on December 13, 2013, 12:30:22 AM
Awesome.  Be careful for spoilers with this thread, but enjoy the show!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Daggerstrike on December 14, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
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He apparently doesn't count as a Doctor basically because he and the other Doctors say he isn't one of them.  He was credited as The War Doctor, so... apparently that's his name.

That said, in another interview, Moffatt has apparently also said that Smith is officially the 13th regeneration of that particular Timelord.  11 Doctors + 1 War Doctor + 1 more for the time that Tennant regenerated into himself again, using his previously cut off hand as a blueprint or whatever.  And since we know that Timelords are only supposed to get 13 regenerations, this may be a plot point in the Christmas special.

I thought-
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the regeneration limit was a rule/dictate by the timelord rulers and those in the past because bad things tend to happen when you regenerate more than 12 times (not 13, 13 is how many incarnations they get, including the original) like craziness (IE The Master), and not a limitation of the race.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on December 14, 2013, 11:08:06 AM
I don't know for sure either way.  Haven't watched enough of the old Who yet. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Daggerstrike on December 14, 2013, 11:41:21 AM
I don't believe it is ever directly stated, I believe it was something that was hinted at in a novel.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Prime Mover on December 23, 2013, 03:09:20 PM
Well, quite a few mentions of it are made in classic Who, though they make it out to be a very final number, and not by choice. The Doctor's mentor (who eventually turns bad for some reason), claims he is on his last regeneration. But yeah, there is the weirdness of the "skeletor" Master, who is described as being on his last regeneration, and for the reason, looks like a rotting corpse... never really explained why he is different. Then there is the Valyard.

Anyway, if Moffat is counting Smith as Regeneration 13, then he's already broken the rules without us even realizing it. Either Moffat is content to just blow the limit off (which I'm just fine with), or it'll need to be explained in the next 3 days as to why it happened, and what's going on. I'm banking on grateful timelords offering The Doctor a full new cycle.

Anyway, looking forward to the big Matt Smith sendoff. It's been fun!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on December 24, 2013, 07:53:54 AM
Well, quite a few mentions of it are made in classic Who, though they make it out to be a very final number, and not by choice. The Doctor's mentor (who eventually turns bad for some reason), claims he is on his last regeneration. But yeah, there is the weirdness of the "skeletor" Master, who is described as being on his last regeneration, and for the reason, looks like a rotting corpse... never really explained why he is different. Then there is the Valyard.

Anyway, if Moffat is counting Smith as Regeneration 13, then he's already broken the rules without us even realizing it. Either Moffat is content to just blow the limit off (which I'm just fine with), or it'll need to be explained in the next 3 days as to why it happened, and what's going on. I'm banking on grateful timelords offering The Doctor a full new cycle.

Anyway, looking forward to the big Matt Smith sendoff. It's been fun!
I think the thing with "skeletor" Master was supposed to be that he hit regeneration 13, then kept aging and aging, and that is just what an extremely old time lord looks like. Either that or he was short changed and only got 11.5 regenerations instead of 12 and what he became is a half finished regeneration.

And I believe that the idea that is being thrown around isn't that Smith is Regeneration 13, but Doctor "13". So the Doctor after he has regenerated 12 times.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Daggerstrike on December 25, 2013, 10:26:13 PM
Well...that was awesome and tidied things up.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on December 25, 2013, 11:39:25 PM
Awesome?! Huh? I found that to be pretty darn bad. It was a convoluted mess, with way too much going on. Typical Moffat It's like he tried to shove every aspect of Smiths 3 years into one 90 minute episode. I was lost right from the get go.
Why did he have a Cyberman head? Maybe I forgot about that from a previous episode?

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on December 26, 2013, 04:49:49 AM
That was an interesting special.

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So he has a whole new set of regenerations, just like the Master did. It's not unprecedented, so I can't see how people would find it out of line.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Daggerstrike on December 26, 2013, 12:08:23 PM
Awesome in scope, not substance. It was a rushed and disconcerting mess at times, but it was grand. Moffat often throws as much at the wall as he can and sees what sticks. There were moments of brilliance. Overall I enjoyed it for what it was. They need a new show runner. Or an old one. C-
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on December 27, 2013, 01:52:53 AM
It's hard to say how long he'll stay with Capaldi.

Moffat clearly loves Doctor Who. It seems to be his dream job.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on January 05, 2014, 09:43:33 AM
Watched the Christmas special a few days ago and forgot to post my thoughts. I loved it. I loved just about every continuity call back. I found it a very nice way to wrap things up with Smith. Plus I loved how they handled the origins of the Silence Sect. I give it an A-.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on January 11, 2014, 11:50:26 PM
Just watched the first two episodes of the 2005 series! 
JUMPING ON THE BANDWAGON!

Love the effects. ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on January 12, 2014, 04:52:13 PM
Welcome aboard!  Some folks actually joked that the new series wasn't as good as the old one because it has good effects. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on January 13, 2014, 10:36:56 AM
Yes, welcome and enjoy. You might want to jump off the train before this past season, though. Or just stick with it, and hope for the best, like most of us.

My son is watching Doctor Who now as well. He started with Matt Smiths first season. He just finished the last episode of that season. He was confused, which is not surprising.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on January 16, 2014, 01:40:47 AM
I think I'm near the end of the 2nd Season.

I liked Christopher's version of the Doctor.  Very snarky and obnoxious (then again, that might be something they all share).  David is a lot more fun though (he's also oddly "adorable" for a 35+ year old too...?)

Rose is supposed to be hot.  She has it.... then she doesn't.  It took me two seasons to realize why: She's got a bit of ape-mouth going on -- her mouth is huge.  Ah well, still pretty.  I do like the relationship she has with the doctor; a kind of strange mix of being "more than friends and less than lovers" sums it up I think (and I look forward to seeing how well new companions work). 
Oh, I also like Billie Piper's first gig as a late 90s Pop icon (http://youtu.be/D_XI_290cfw). 

Otherwise I think the non-invincible/magical doctor and his human companion are a great mix.  I love that the doctor isn't particularly "magical" despite his rather grandiose sounding title of Time Lord.  His life span, intellect, general altruism, Sonic Screwdriver and super-changing-document-thing (that transforms) does the job while his human companion makes things a bit more interesting.

Rose's mum is a wonderful tart.  And I did like Mickey.  His comings and goings were effectively played each time Rose and the Doctor came back to town.  Captain Jack was also in a league of his own, despite how short-lived it was (anyone here watch Torchwood?).

My favorite episodes are usually the more "out there" ones (literally and figuratively).  However, this usually means that the episodes that take place in the present are kinda "eh".  The World War 3 plot and the farting aliens were just stupid...And then there's the Cyber Men and the Dalek.  I get that they're a reference to the old show... but MAAAANN DO THEY HAVE TO TALK LIKE THAT??  For ultra-intelligent aliens, they seem to have less of a grasp on the English language than foreigners do.
EX-TERMINATE
EX-TERMINATE
EX-TERMINATE
EX-TERMINATE
DESTROY.
The Cybermen aren't much better.  They're kind of just...there... as a threat...because they're slow/angry robots.  That's about it.

I enjoyed following the two-episode story where they visit the Planet beside a black hole... then the Doctor finds "Satan".  I keep imagining the pitch meeting for that.  "Hey, how about the Doctor meets Satan!!!", then the boardroom has a laugh, then they immediately started writing a script.

Anyways.  Despite the occasional cheesy effect or ham in the plot; I see what all the hub-bub is about.  More to come I guess
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on January 16, 2014, 01:57:55 AM
Yeah, there are good episodes and stupid ones. :)  You're far from alone in thinking that the farting aliens are among the latter. I also like Mickey, and I like that Rose is hot but not a little waif.  Even if she does have a giant mouth.  Because she totally does, but is still hot.

I've watched most of Torchwood, but not all - I picked up the last season just tonight.  It's been long enough that I think I'll have to go back and watch other seasons before I watch it.  It's a pretty different series, and I don't like it as much as Doctor Who, but I do like it.  I feel like it's sometimes that show that's all "ooh, look how dark and edgy we are!"

I also enjoyed the Sarah Jane Adventures series, even though it's definitely aimed more at kids.  If you run out of other Doctor Who-related stuff and are looking for more, it's worth checking out.

And finally, curse you for getting that song stuck in my head again!!!!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on January 16, 2014, 02:23:25 AM
I can't wait until she gets to "Blink".
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Post by: Ranadiel on January 16, 2014, 06:52:54 AM
Rose's mum is a wonderful tart.  And I did like Mickey.  His comings and goings were effectively played each time Rose and the Doctor came back to town.  Captain Jack was also in a league of his own, despite how short-lived it was (anyone here watch Torchwood?).
Watched it, really would not recommend watching it. I mean sure Captain Jack is freaking awesome no matter where he is, but the series is just not worth it overall.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on January 16, 2014, 11:37:35 AM
Agreed on much of what you say, Dice. There are amazing episodes, and then there's the just plain stupid ones.
The Exterminate!!! from the Daleks has never bothered me, because I knew about that going in.
The Cybermen suck, though, and end up way overused.
I'm with John on Rose. Exactly.
Mickey annoyed the hell out of me at first, but grew on me.

I've never watched Torchwood, and have been meaning to start. I hear the last season is pretty awful, though.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on January 16, 2014, 07:44:37 PM
Just watch Children of Earth, that was the only season I really enjoyed of Torchwood.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on January 16, 2014, 08:12:28 PM
I hear "Blink" is like that episode that's in most people's "Top 10".  Can't wait!!

I'm kinda torn what to do with Torchwood, but there's too much to watch.  I should just move to the Uk and make a lot of my TV viewing easier.

Anyways, I like how Rose's chapter as a companion concluded.  It was well handled but I find the Doctor's morning period...dubious, at best (can't blame him when your main job in life is going around the galaxy).  But well done.  With Rose, Donna, and Martha: Are all companions female?  I'd complain, but I don't know if it'd be as fun if they kept it to two fellas (Supernatural does that and does it well!).

For some reason I keep drifting into an "American version" of Doctor Who, and all I can imagine is the main guy faking a Canadian accent (cuz he's from "The North").
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on January 16, 2014, 08:20:47 PM
In Old Who he has had a fair few male companions. In New Who, only one. Rory.

Donna is the best though.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on January 16, 2014, 08:38:25 PM
In Old Who he has had a fair few male companions. In New Who, only one. Rory.

Donna is the best though.

I didn't like her at first, but she ended up pretty awesome. I still prefer Amy, though, purely for aesthetic reasons. She's the reason I started watching the show! Shallow as hell, isn't it?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on January 16, 2014, 09:24:52 PM
I like Donna because she never crushes on the Doctor.  They're friends, and that's all she wants.  And he needs her around to call him on his crap.

Rory may be my favorite companion.  Spoiler coded for Dice's sake:
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He's truly the boy who waited.  And he's the only other one who knows what it's like to live for thousands of years like the Doctor does.
I don't actually dislike any of them, though.

Children of Earth has its good and bad points, but it's definitely noteworthy for featuring future Doctor Peter Capaldi in a big role.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on January 17, 2014, 07:08:28 AM
My ranking for companions from best to worst:

The Last Centurion
Donna
Captain Jack
Mickey
Amy
Clara
Rose
Martha

I feel like I am missing someone because there is a lot of space between my feelings for Clara and Rose. If River was a proper companion I'd probably put her above Amy. Huh and looking at list, I seem to like characters who are attracted to the Doctor less.....well minus Captain Jack, but he loves everyone.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on January 18, 2014, 10:55:09 PM
Another season down!  Spoiler tags just in case:
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= Can we say the reason Doctor has companions is because (1) it works for the show, and (2) he's kinda lonely?

= Hated Donna's first ep (actually, the Christmas episodes are kinda 'iffy'), but I'm loving her now.  After three sort-of "love interests", and even though I love some romance, I'm glad Donna is just good fun.
I am looking forward to the Amy/Rory saga though.  Sounds like they have enough plot even on their own.

= "I'm waving at fat..." -Donna

= Blink was freaking *awesome*.  MAN!  That was an intense 45 minutes -- a surprise for a "stand-alone", mid-season episode.  The concept was simple, the results were fantastic.  I hear it's not the end we see of them, but I loved how well it ties up loose ends as well (despite the parado--..eugh, whatever, it is what it is by this point in the show).  ...And ironically very little of the Doctor and Martha.  It was well filmed, well developed, and the suspense and solution were perfect. 
Any other episodes you guys are especially keen on?

= Speaking of Martha: Egh.  She has more spunk than Rose, I think, but was weighed down by her unrequited love for The Doctor which came up way too often, and kept going on with the same results.  Immediately after Rose, he was mourning, but after Martha he was happy to see Astrid!  I think it's because Martha was black and the Doctor was racist. >:(
juuuust kidding

= Loved the "Gridlock" episode as a great satire on what it is to be stuck in traffic.  I am freaked out by a human woman and a cat-man having actual "KITTEN" children....Is that racist/xenophobic of me? D:

= I LOOVE Captain Jack.  And I love his "sexual preference": If it's hot, it's good enough.

= A huge "omg" face went to revealing him as the Face of Boe.  Amazing!  Does that mean if humans live to 5 billion years we just turn into giant heads? ...stunning

= The idea with the "organic sun" was interesting, but probably would have played better if it played BEFORE the "Impossible Planet/Satan Pit"; they were somewhat similar in atmosphere but the latter played out much better.

= This show uses henchmen on a more ridiculous level than Batman's villains do.

=...was that Peter Capaldi in the Pompeii episode? *uses internet* ...yes, yes it is. 
PLOT?!?!?!?!?!?!??! 
Probably not.

This show is wonderful because almost anything goes.  I'd love to see a time chart of all of the Doctor's adventures.  I love how things seem to work out in strange ways or have peculiar continuities. 

I've watched some Adventure Time recently, and I love both for creating a simple concept that allows for ~whatever~ to happen.  Place, event, then adventure!  Good going Doctor Who!

Also have any of you all been through the older seasons?  I doubt I'd watch; old sci-fi just....won't jive with me, I think.  But I'm curious for impressions.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on January 18, 2014, 11:23:14 PM
I have been. Next story for me is the one where the second Doctor regenerates into the third. (The older stuff generally consists of stories that are several episodes long.)

If you love the current stuff, there's a strong chance you'd like the old stuff. Some of it, at least. There's some real crap back then too.

Part of what I like is seeing how the Doctor changes from actor to actor. The first Doctor is very much the cranky grandpa. He knows a lot, and cracks jokes sometimes, but he's pretty self-centered and impatient, too.

The second Doctor is much happier. His companions (especially Jamie) are his friends. Matt Smith, if I understand correctly, loves that Doctor, and it shows.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on January 18, 2014, 11:30:09 PM
I like pretty much any Episode with River in it. So, look forward to them? Some people hate her, but I don't understand it. I think shes fun.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on January 19, 2014, 07:42:59 AM
I like pretty much any Episode with River in it. So, look forward to them? Some people hate her, but I don't understand it. I think shes fun.
Spoilers.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on January 19, 2014, 02:28:36 PM
River is an awesome character that I feel they took a bit too far. The more I saw of her, the less I liked her. I guess I just dug the mystery aspect the most? Not sure.

Glad you're enjoying it so much, Dice. I've never bothered with any Who before the current iteration. It just looks so....corny. I work with a guy who seen it all, and likes to talk about it, but I kind of glaze over when he does.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Prime Mover on January 19, 2014, 09:14:45 PM
River is an awesome character that I feel they took a bit too far. The more I saw of her, the less I liked her. I guess I just dug the mystery aspect the most? Not sure.

Glad you're enjoying it so much, Dice. I've never bothered with any Who before the current iteration. It just looks so....corny. I work with a guy who seen it all, and likes to talk about it, but I kind of glaze over when he does.


Don't. there's a lot of amazing Who out there besides the current iteration. Yes, some of it is corny, some of it is not. But come on, there has been some ultra corny modern Who too. Doctor's 2-6 are all worth watching, IMO. Yes, it goes up and down, but hasn't it always? Second half of Tom Baker's run alone absolutely rivals any modern Who... easily better than Moffet's fairy tails. Put aside the lack of 21st century special effects and you'll find a program that's full of great dialog and characters, and knows it's technical limitations enough to not be cheesy most of the time.

As for River, yeah, they kinda ruined her. Silence in the Library is possibly my favorite Doctor Who episode(s) ever. Return of the Angels was also very strong, after that, it all went down hill. She got way too timey wimey, and their insistence at shoving you her and the Doctor's relationship every second got a little... LOT old.

Still hoping that Steven Moffet regenerates soon...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on January 20, 2014, 12:41:07 AM
I remembered River from ER.  Damn she's aging beautifully (ie; not at all).  I loved those two episodes, btw.  Strange, but good and poignant.  I'm sad that, from what it seems, she gets ruined as she goes on... bah.

I assume the Agatha Christie episode is better when you're familiar with her books (I'm not).  Otherwise....wasps happen.

I just watched "Midnight".  Hmm, it's a strong episode, but I think it needed one more [scary] "thing" to happen before the resolution came, it otherwise seemed like there wasn't much of a threat?  The ambiguity doesn't help the episode either; it's almost too much mystery with no real facts by the end of it.  Nevertheless, it works on other levels of how mob mentality works, how people get stupid when they're scared, and how the doctor's ass is often saved in mysterious ways (Molto Bene!).  The last bit with Donna was well played, and a great example of how minimalism can work in a show (I find when most shows decide on "that kind" of episode, it's usually well thought out).

Other random commentary:
= Much better OST since the first episode which was some sort of synth keyboard crap (still, it was a great episode).
= I think what I love the most is how cool the Psychic Paper is....for what looks like the lowest budget prop on that show. xD
= http://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Blue-Tardis-Mini-Fridge/dp/B00B3YJGAW  I need this in my life now...NOW
= Donna's physique perplexes me.  She's thin everywhere...but the waist (the body also works in mysterious ways too)
= I generally hate big change-ups, and certainly Doctor Who's premise deals a lot IN THAT.  Yet, I'm surprised how well written each new Doctor and companion is so that I tend to grow attached to any iteration or companion

I really appreciate the input about the older episodes,  I don't know if I want to make time for ALL of them; but maybe I'll find a list that ranks a few of the better ones
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 20, 2014, 03:43:17 AM
Might be a minority opinion here but unless you have any way to watch all of Series 7, the anniversary movie, AND the following Christmas special you might want to hold off on Series 5 +.

Edit: You know what? I'm just going to spoiler code this in case you want to go in full blind without any preconceptions. It holds no spoilers but it's 'negative nancy' opinion; so caveat emptor's given for free here.

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Series 6 was kinda wretched in most departments. Without spoiling anything; plot's shakey (pacing suffers from
the fact that they split the season into two arcs due to Summer/Winter airing divide), writing is fairly weak with clue-hammers
thrown en masse at the audience the size of double deckers (it makes S2's 'Torchwood' keyword look subtle by comparison),
and certain character arcs drift on for waaaay too long with a resolution that isn't a resolution that sorta is that turns into
another resolution that also isn't quite a resolution...ect.

Personally speaking it was bad enough to drive me off from the series entirely to the point of just reading the Wiki
once in a blue moon. Even then I wasn't going to give the show another go until I read the summary for the ani. movie
and the Christmas special. Those salvaged the wreck enough that I'll likely pick the series up again when Netflix decides to
finally update the Doctor Who entry.

TL;DR- S6 is pretty awful unless you have S7+ to counterbalance it, then it becomes passable when it's not the last flavor
left in your mouth.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on January 20, 2014, 06:39:05 AM
Might be a minority opinion here but unless you have any way to watch all of Series 7, the anniversary movie, AND the following Christmas special you might want to hold off on Series 5 +.

Edit: You know what? I'm just going to spoiler code this in case you want to go in full blind without any preconceptions. It holds no spoilers but it's 'negative nancy' opinion; so caveat emptor's given for free here.
Disagree, season 6 is enjoyable. Hell, it has my favorite episode of all time in it (The Doctor's Wife).
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on January 20, 2014, 09:03:05 AM
Might be a minority opinion here but unless you have any way to watch all of Series 7, the anniversary movie, AND the following Christmas special you might want to hold off on Series 5 +.

Edit: You know what? I'm just going to spoiler code this in case you want to go in full blind without any preconceptions. It holds no spoilers but it's 'negative nancy' opinion; so caveat emptor's given for free here.
Disagree, season 6 is enjoyable. Hell, it has my favorite episode of all time in it (The Doctor's Wife).
Agreed on Season 6. I liked it well enough. It's season 7 that goes off the rails. Then there's the downright awful Christmas special. Ugh.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on January 21, 2014, 11:23:38 AM
So far I haven't particularly *loved* a Christmas episode.  They're ranged from "meh" to "ok".

MAN!!  Why did Donna have to go?!?!?  I loved her character growth and to actually lose it all is simply tragic.  She really went from unlikable to loveable.  And again, the show is good at constructing reasons for it; they don't feel terribly contrived.

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Though I think Rose getting a copy of the Doctor was almost too good for her...  Rejecting David Tennant's perfect Doctor Clone because it's STILL not the original?  >=(  What a wench!  But seriously though, I'm glad she got her happy ending, she fought hard for it
I definitely liked the Stolen Planet end-season better than the "Other Doctor" one (with YANA).  That three-parter was weird.  The first episode was good, the second one better, then the third episode kinda fell apart... I felt like they could have used the concept of him a wee bit better.  Anyways, Stolen Planet had some good action/moments; I think it helps to go into it with the better know-how of the Sarah Jane Chronicles and Torchwood, but still cool to see a big ensemble.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 21, 2014, 07:23:21 PM
I thought the Rose-reaction was actually quite human for that particular incident and undeserving of the character-hatred it generates. I'll explain in metaphor but spoiler tag it anyway.

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Say your favorite family pet dies. Dog, cat, doesn't matter; going to say dog for this example.

It's gone, you can't love it anymore, all those years of emotional investment are cut off in a snap.

Immediately someone pops up and says "Hey, I bought you a new dog that looks just like your dead dog. Here!"

It might bark like your dog. It might be the same breed. It might even prance the same, wag its tail the same,
and raid your toilet all the same.

But it's not 'your' dog. It will never be 'your' dog.

In time and with healing it will eventually be 'your new dog'. But to expect someone to just up and go
 'Oh, hey, new dog. All's cool!' on the spot, like a lot of fans expected Rose to do with Doctor 2.0,
...I don't think so.

Oh and fun factoid about that moment.

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The Doctor technically gave Doctor 2.0 a piece of the Tardis to grow. So new Doctor and Rose get to have
their own parallel universe adventures. It's a scene that didn't quite make it into the final cut.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on January 21, 2014, 11:59:38 PM
I think that item you spoiler coded is included as an extra on the DVDs, though.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 22, 2014, 03:05:22 AM
It might be. I haven't had the DVDs in forever sadly. Those got traded in to pay bills a bit after S5 was released. Kinda miss them but I don't have $1000-ish to shell out and re-complete the collection (still no idea why these things need to nearly be $100 a pop).
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on January 22, 2014, 07:22:21 AM
I thought the Rose-reaction was actually quite human for that particular incident and undeserving of the character-hatred it generates. I'll explain in metaphor but spoiler tag it anyway.

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Say your favorite family pet dies. Dog, cat, doesn't matter; going to say dog for this example.

It's gone, you can't love it anymore, all those years of emotional investment are cut off in a snap.

Immediately someone pops up and says "Hey, I bought you a new dog that looks just like your dead dog. Here!"

It might bark like your dog. It might be the same breed. It might even prance the same, wag its tail the same,
and raid your toilet all the same.

But it's not 'your' dog. It will never be 'your' dog.

In time and with healing it will eventually be 'your new dog'. But to expect someone to just up and go
 'Oh, hey, new dog. All's cool!' on the spot, like a lot of fans expected Rose to do with Doctor 2.0,
...I don't think so.

Oh and fun factoid about that moment.

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The Doctor technically gave Doctor 2.0 a piece of the Tardis to grow. So new Doctor and Rose get to have
their own parallel universe adventures. It's a scene that didn't quite make it into the final cut.


O_o That is the opposite reason of why I thought she got fan hate over that sequence....
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The reason I'm familiar with her getting hate over the scene is because Doctor 2.0 whispers that "he loves her" and she immediately smooches him despite her previous protests over how it wasn't the Doctor. Making her come off as extremely shallow or something.

Also, the whole giving them a piece of the Tardis makes me hate the sequence even more. So I am glad that didn't make the final cut. God damn it Russel T. Davies, I don't like your Mary Sue. >.>
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on January 26, 2014, 02:58:49 AM
I sympathize with the dog and clone dog analogy.  I as mostly being silly for her being so wishy-washy.

Already, Matt Smith time.
= I like him, lots, but I think David Tennant was still the man
= Rory is the season's punching bag.  Not sure how he bagged a girl as fine as Amy (the "Apatow effect").  I don't really see how they "work" together as a couple.
= I *looove* Amy....yeah, like Grim, mostly because she's almost flawless looking.  She's a good-enough actress, but often does this wide-eyed face a lot ô_ô
= Loved Rory's stag shirt
= I loved seeing the weeping angel's come back.  Oddly, the four original ones felt like a bigger threat than a whole base of them
= I think I'm seeing where this plot-arch is going; it's definitely more interesting than some of the others (so far)
= Van Gogh episode next!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on January 26, 2014, 03:20:40 AM
Van Gogh is another one that many folks love.

I think you get a better picture of why Amy and Rory are together as time goes on.  Still, I definitely see what you mean.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on January 26, 2014, 07:44:20 AM

= Rory is the season's punching bag.  Not sure how he bagged a girl as fine as Amy (the "Apatow effect").  I don't really see how they "work" together as a couple.
There is actually an episode where....oh crud that actually qualifies as spoilers considering where you are in the series doesn't it? Huh, well I guess the best way to describe it is that Rory is less of a putz than he seems. But yes he is the universe's punching bag. >.> Actually maybe that is it, he got to be with Amy to make up for how much it seems the universe hates him.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Tooker on January 27, 2014, 02:56:15 PM
In case anyone's interested, the BBC has released a photo of Peter Capaldi in his Doctor Who costume:

http://i.imgur.com/qcoSBSB.jpg

Also from the BBC: "Commenting on his costume, Peter Capaldi said: 'He's woven the future from the cloth of the past. Simple, stark, and back to basics. No frills, no scarf, no messing, just 100 per cent Rebel Time Lord.'"
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on January 27, 2014, 03:27:51 PM
I love that.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on January 27, 2014, 04:38:44 PM
HE COMMANDS MY ATTENTION!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on February 06, 2014, 07:46:34 PM
So....Tennant had a suit, Smith had a suit, and now Capaldi has a suit.

Christ, they're certainly not emphasising creativity, are they?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on February 06, 2014, 10:42:45 PM
So....Tennant had a suit, Smith had a suit, and now Capaldi has a suit.

Christ, they're certainly not emphasising creativity, are they?

Giving them the benefit of the doubt, they did look good in each outfit and EVERYONE (whether fat, thin, Jabba the Hut, or ugly) look good in suits.

They kinda tailored them in different ways too.

Eccleston rocked that leather jacket, true.
Tennant had that kind baggy/loose raincoat over the dark blue duds
Matt Smith had the fancy bow tie ...he looked like a young professor almost
And Capaldi is saying fuckit by throwing any tie and bow out and looking like a bit of a vampire.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on July 13, 2014, 11:40:17 PM
New Trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TivqZTq5u6Y

Series starts August 23rd!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on August 08, 2014, 04:19:47 AM
There is a meet and greet in Seoul tomorrow.

I am going to meet Peter fucking Capaldi and Jenna Coleman. :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on August 08, 2014, 12:33:03 PM
That's awesome. <3
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on August 23, 2014, 07:56:12 PM
Just saw the new episode.

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Does anyone else think those lesbians are married? I dunno, it's very subtle.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on August 24, 2014, 12:21:47 PM
Just saw the new episode.

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Does anyone else think those lesbians are married? I dunno, it's very subtle.

I'm still trying to decide whether it was fanservice or to annoy old-fogey British types with 'liberal' thinking (...I say British, but I think it'd apply any Western country)

EDIT: And BAM! (http://www.back2stonewall.com/2014/08/doctor-who-facing-backlash-from-brit-critics-over-featuring-first-lesbian-kiss.html), some upset afterall.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on August 24, 2014, 02:17:50 PM
For the first time, I watch the episode with both my wife and son. This was the first episode of Doctor Who my wife has ever seen. She was mostly just confused, for obvious reasons.
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I found it just mostly odd. Capaldi was ok, but I look forward to his future episodes after he's figured himself out. Same thing for Clara, who was very un-Clara-like for most of the episode.
Any why the continual boyfriend references? Those two never had any romance. Flirted, maybe, but nothing more.
The story was pretty weak, but I know that wasn't the point of it. The new Doctor was.
Next week, Daleks? Really?! Friggin' Moffat.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Prime Mover on August 25, 2014, 12:38:08 PM
Very possibly the greatest episode since Moffat took over. I've watched it twice now, it felt DIFFERENT, and the writing was just so much better than it has been since RTD.

Don't get me wrong, I thought Asylum of the Daleks and maybe the 50th anniversary were stunning, but this was practically a whole new level. Capaldi is great, but I think more than anything it's jump-started the writers. They're FINALLY getting Clara down, took them long enough!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Andrew on August 25, 2014, 07:13:22 PM
I actually wasn't a big fan of the new episode. I like Capaldi, and I'm definitely interested to see where the season is going, but I felt the actual story was incredibly boring. I am also SO sick of Vastra. She's fine, but we've seen her far to often recently (and by 'recently' I mean last season).
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Esper_Crusader on August 25, 2014, 11:39:23 PM
Hype train was too high on this, obviously. New Doctor is fine but how long can something stay 'Hip'? I know more than a few people who are iffy now. It's a shame.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Esper_Crusader on August 26, 2014, 12:29:23 AM
Watched it again. Capaldi is great and the chemistry with Clara is evident. Hype be damned. Not an epic start but it's still great watching.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on August 26, 2014, 12:30:37 AM
I didn't care much for the start (where he's sort of bumbling about), but there was clear "Doctor"-material in there by the end.

Looking forward to the rest of it. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on August 26, 2014, 10:48:09 AM
I liked it, actually. My boyfriend had to twist my arm about it when it was airing since I was already losing interest in Matt Smiths run who has been my least favourite of all the revived series Doctors. Yeah, yeah, I know a lot of people love him. The only thing that made me enjoy his run truly was Amy, and when she left for Clara I wasn't really feeling it. Clara felt like a cardboard cutout most of the time, just there, despite this apparently amazing role in the Doctors life as The Impossible Girl.

Clara felt a bit redeemed for me in this episode. Yeah she was kinda a bit of an idiot when the Doctor regenerated (hasn't she seen EVERY Doctor regeneration??? Why did this phase her?) but the sort of tension she had with Capaldi was great, as Vastra said it was nice to see her get her feathers ruffled for once. I really miss Amy's fieryness. The villain was a bit neither here nor there for me, just a vehicle to get the ball rolling.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on August 26, 2014, 02:49:59 PM
Post

I liked Matt Smith's version of the Doctor (unfortunately coming off Tennant he felt kind of similar in some ways and tamer in others...but I did like the excitement he had!).  I loved Amy (as you say, she was 'firey', and I liked how she played with the 'weird' that's thrown at them).  I even liked Rory a bit as a sort-of good-hearted punching bag.

But I agree, I think the plots during the Matt Smith era were a bit heavy and it got kind of annoying.  It never really sat right with me.

I am looking forward to Capaldi if for nothing more than a fresh slate.  Daresay, it's kind of nice he's a little less of a pretty boy too (not that it's ever a bad thing, but just to change things up).
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on August 31, 2014, 03:43:22 AM
Hype train was too high on this, obviously. New Doctor is fine but how long can something stay 'Hip'? I know more than a few people who are iffy now. It's a shame.

I'm really happy so far. Tonally this feels very different from Smith and Tennant and I'm glad.

The Daleks tonight actually felt threatening again.

I'm very keen to see where this season is headed.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on September 10, 2014, 02:32:28 PM
Is Capaldi the best Doctor of the new series run?

Yes. Yes he is.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on September 10, 2014, 09:21:03 PM
Is Capaldi the best Doctor of the new series run?

Yes. Yes he is.
WAY too soon for such a statement.
The new Doctor is so much (and I hate this trendy word) "darker" than Matt Smith's. He's almost mean. Incredibly cynical. It's like everything that has come before is finally making it's way out. Capaldi IS doing a great job with him so far.
I did like Robot of Sherwood. Fun episode.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Bleaker on September 11, 2014, 07:54:35 AM
I'm still weary of Capaldi. I'm liking him as a doctor, but his episodes have just been booooooooring. Into the Dalek was fun, but Dinosaurs in the 1800s (don't feel like looking up the title) and Robot of Sherwood were just okay. Robot of Sherwood was definetly better than his first episode, but I've never been a huge fan of when the Doctor visits the past, and I've ALSO never been a fan of Robin Hood. It was a good comedy episode, but otherwise I was bored throughout it. Next week looks to be a pretty good horror episode though, and I will NEVER write of Doctor Who as a show. Unless a girl becomes Doctor. Its not sexist thing but...Just think, if the Doctor were to be come a woman wouldn't his personality change completely? Which goes against that there is always a little bit of the Doctor in there. And I don't seem to recall David or Chris ever hitting on Jack Harkness.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on September 11, 2014, 12:40:10 PM
...and I will NEVER write of Doctor Who as a show. Unless a girl becomes Doctor. Its not sexist thing but...Just think, if the Doctor were to be come a woman wouldn't his personality change completely?

(http://i.imgur.com/DmSzABI.gif)
Mmm yes, s/he'd probably be more fragile, and complainy, and bitchy, and PMS-y.  It'd be awful, out of line for the show, and would destroy the series more than bad writing ever will. 

ANYWAYS.  I actually really like Capaldi as a Doctor and I think we needed a slightly more serious incanation; but the episode plots so far are only 'ok'.  You can tell he's still a Doctor at heart though (A reviewer said it best: "..The amazing plan that the Doctor comes up with to defeat Rusty... hinges on Clara doing something brilliant but completely unspecified to unlock the memory, and then the Doctor will show Rusty something so beautiful that it will turn him good forever, but he has absolutely no idea what that thing might be").   He still needs those BIGGER titles like "Blink", "Midnight", or somehow manage to sell as grand ideas like "The Impossible Planet" did.  The ones so far have been a bit more "fun"; they're entertaining, but not particularly interesting or unique (I usually write off Dalek episodes since I can't take them seriously as villains; they're just a bit too ridiculous for me, and for the "most dangerous enemy", the Doctor seems to take care of them often enough).

Next episode preview looked promising.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on September 12, 2014, 06:59:42 AM
Unless a girl becomes Doctor. Its not sexist thing but...Just think, if the Doctor were to be come a woman wouldn't his personality change completely? Which goes against that there is always a little bit of the Doctor in there. And I don't seem to recall David or Chris ever hitting on Jack Harkness.
O_O I don't even know where to start on this. I think I'm just going to go with, if you feel the need to preface a statement with "its not a (insert adjective here) thing," then you really need to think long and hard about the statement that follows. As odds are the following sentence probably is the adjective and that is why you felt it was necessary to say that preface. So....yeah.

P.S. The Doctor has totally flirted with Jack Harkness in at least Jack's first appearance. Might have been toned down in later episodes, but it was totally there.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on September 14, 2014, 12:53:51 AM
Listen.
(http://a.pomf.se/mpqamy.gif)

Wow!  Brilliant episode from start to finish ---- you can kinda tell when an episode will be "that episode".

Paradoxes aside (that I wanted blurt out while they were happening), I loved some of the vague details and lingering mysteries we get in this Doctor Who milestone.  But generally; I think this episode was ABOUT mystery, intrigue, and personal paranoias and obsessions even though the episode would try to have you think so otherwise.

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I LOVED seeing Gallifrey (what strange little bit of it we saw); but more than that, I loved how still...mysterious it all was.  Why was the lil' Doctor crying?  Why stay in the barn?  Was that his family? Friends?  Did they live rurally?  Getting into the Academy to become a Time Lord?????  We don't know.... but cool!

Also, nothing says a dude is into your MORE (or "true love") than fucking up two dates and still desperate and happy to try again and make it work.  Mr Pink is a handsome looking fella to boot; they'd have beautiful....dirty-blonde afro'd babies?

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on September 15, 2014, 09:44:05 PM
I actually thought it was pretty bad. The teaser promised us something that never really happened. I was expecting a creepy monster of the week episode, but we got something entirely not that
The story was all over the place, and made no sense.
There were a few good lines, and a few good moments, but the rest was just...ugh.
And I really wish the doctor would stop insulting Clara on her appearance! It's like a creepy old man trying to re-assure himself that he's not turned on by the hot young lady, when it's the exact opposite. It's mostly just mean, though, and serves no point in the story.
MaryAnns review explains pretty much how I saw this episode better than I can:
http://www.flickfilosopher.com/2014/09/doctor-blogging-listen.html
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on September 15, 2014, 10:11:08 PM
I actually thought it was pretty bad. The teaser promised us something that never really happened. I was expecting a creepy monster of the week episode, but we got something entirely not that
The story was all over the place, and made no sense.
There were a few good lines, and a few good moments, but the rest was just...ugh.
And I really wish the doctor would stop insulting Clara on her appearance! It's like a creepy old man trying to re-assure himself that he's not turned on by the hot young lady, when it's the exact opposite. It's mostly just mean, though, and serves no point in the story.
MaryAnns review explains pretty much how I saw this episode better than I can:
http://www.flickfilosopher.com/2014/09/doctor-blogging-listen.html

I agree that he's meaner than he has to be; but I kinda like him putting her down after a trend of [mostly] super foxy companions.  I think it'd be creepier if he did go va-va-voom for her.  He's a bitter old grump and she's...quite the opposite.  Yeah it makes for a bit of a "perfect strangers" chemistry...ho hum.  Could be worse.

I agree the plot was a mess (it kept making me question what and why was "this" or "that" relevant) but I'm glad it wasn't a big, bad monster; there are plenty of Who episodes that do that and plenty more that will.  I do wish they kept with the idea pitched at the start: An evolutionary species who's strength is to hide (and that you'd never know it if it did its job well enough).  Rather, I felt a *bunch* of ideas in this episode would have been fine on their own (the creepy orphanage, the end of the universe, the locked door, the last man alive, Pink's descendants, Clara's butchered date/s/, Doctor's childhood, boogeymen, etc.).  The "genre" and connections felt messy, but I did like how it advances what we know about Clara and The Doctor.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on September 17, 2014, 11:36:48 AM
I actually thought it was pretty bad. The teaser promised us something that never really happened. I was expecting a creepy monster of the week episode, but we got something entirely not that
The story was all over the place, and made no sense.
There were a few good lines, and a few good moments, but the rest was just...ugh.
And I really wish the doctor would stop insulting Clara on her appearance! It's like a creepy old man trying to re-assure himself that he's not turned on by the hot young lady, when it's the exact opposite. It's mostly just mean, though, and serves no point in the story.
MaryAnns review explains pretty much how I saw this episode better than I can:
http://www.flickfilosopher.com/2014/09/doctor-blogging-listen.html

I thought it was trying to have its cake and eat it too. It was trying to be a scary monster of the week episode but also be deliberately vague and you're right, it just ended up not making sense.

I agree with most of your friend's critique, but this - "• Let’s talk about the unintended creepiness of having an episode revolve around the Doctor bluffing his way into a home for vulnerable children in the middle of the night." is reading too much into it.

As for Capaldi, he is the best doctor since the show came back in 2005.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Maxximum on September 19, 2014, 12:14:49 PM
I only ever watched bits and pieces of both the new amd classic Doctor Who series (with the Matt Smith run being the significant part of the modern Doctor Who series that I've seen). I have to admit that I'm starting to get into it. Smith somehow managed to pull of a very likable and at times creepy character despite all signs indicating that he should be the Jar Jar Binks of Doctors. That's quite impressive. Capaldi somehow seems like the perfect fit and I'm looking forward to the new episodes. Clara is also fairly interesting and while I hope they do a little more with the "impossible girl" story arc there's always the danger they'll overcook it. All in all, Im a bit late to the party but catching up should be a blast.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on September 23, 2014, 01:41:43 AM
Smith as the Jar Jar Binks of doctors....  I get it and I giggled, but that's still a pretty low comparison even if you think he dodged the bullet. x)

LOVED the latest episode.  I thought it was just a ton of fun and worked the 'Who-Formula' really well.  Capaldi is fast becoming a favourite doctor for me.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on September 29, 2014, 08:24:32 PM
So someone just pointed this out to me...
(http://www.david-tennant-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Doctor_Who_s_Jenna_Louise_Coleman___Clara_and_the_Tardis_have_a_relationship___it_makes_fun_of_her_.jpg)
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110418184916/xenoblade/images/6/64/Melia.png)
Mind = blown

Another great episode and so far a pretty good season after a kind of rocky start.
Possibly the strangest way to tackle a love-triangle plot since Capaldi's character is so much different from Matt Smith's.  The villain was a write-off, but the interactions were perfect.

And also, Jenna Coleman has *massive*-sized eyes.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on September 29, 2014, 09:44:36 PM
Wow, you are sure forgiving of this season. I thought this past episode was pretty weak. I'm really getting tired of how the current Doctor is written. He's far too mean, and apparently clueless about humans, despite interacting with them for many many years. What's the deal with calling Pink a P.E. teacher over and over again? Why is this not explained? And why is he so anti-soldier?
I don't buy into the "He only wants the best for Clara" explanation. He might as well be walking around with a shotgun to scare away the creeps from his little girl.
I don't blame Capaldi, or even Jenna. They're doing the best they can with the shitty scripts they're being given.
I'd rather they expounded on what was going in in the intro to the episode, and gone from there. Now THAT could have been interesting.
Oh, I could keep going forever, but I'll just stop. I'm just so bummed at the direction the show has headed. A couple decent eps, and the rest mediocre, and less than.
This is the first season of Doctor Who my wife has ever watched. I suppose that might be to her advantage, as she has no basis for comparison.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on September 30, 2014, 01:14:49 AM
I think the P.E teacher might be a British specific joke. Here ex-army personal who work in schools are 99% P.E teachers, hence his disbelief that he is a Maths teacher.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Annubis on September 30, 2014, 01:20:45 AM
I think the P.E teacher might be a British specific joke. Here ex-army personal who work in schools are 99% P.E teachers, hence his disbelief that he is a Maths teacher.

Ah...
Here in America, P.E teachers are old pedophiles.

(Fun fact, my primary school P.E teacher was arrested and jailed due to touching young boys)
(Following fact, I guess I wasn't his type)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on September 30, 2014, 02:11:45 AM
I think the P.E teacher might be a British specific joke. Here ex-army personal who work in schools are 99% P.E teachers, hence his disbelief that he is a Maths teacher.


Yeah the reaction from Gaf on that joke was pretty lost (many jumping to it being a racist thing [physical activity = a black thing] than a 'soldier thing'). 

IIRC the 'soldier-hating' was just 'cause the Doctor doesn't like them or guns, right?

I think the P.E teacher might be a British specific joke. Here ex-army personal who work in schools are 99% P.E teachers, hence his disbelief that he is a Maths teacher.

Ah...
Here in America, P.E teachers are old pedophiles.

(Fun fact, my primary school P.E teacher was arrested and jailed due to touching young boys)
(Following fact, I guess I wasn't his type)

Or lesbians, according to Clueless.  And my high school PE teacher.
... Either way, the PE joke is *still* terribly lost on us non-British aliens.

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on September 30, 2014, 10:32:15 AM
I think the P.E teacher might be a British specific joke. Here ex-army personal who work in schools are 99% P.E teachers, hence his disbelief that he is a Maths teacher.


Yeah the reaction from Gaf on that joke was pretty lost (many jumping to it being a racist thing [physical activity = a black thing] than a 'soldier thing'). 

IIRC the 'soldier-hating' was just 'cause the Doctor doesn't like them or guns, right?

I think the P.E teacher might be a British specific joke. Here ex-army personal who work in schools are 99% P.E teachers, hence his disbelief that he is a Maths teacher.

Ah...
Here in America, P.E teachers are old pedophiles.

(Fun fact, my primary school P.E teacher was arrested and jailed due to touching young boys)
(Following fact, I guess I wasn't his type)

Or lesbians, according to Clueless.  And my high school PE teacher.
... Either way, the PE joke is *still* terribly lost on us non-British aliens.



Ahhh, that explains it. I was thinking either soldier = dolt = p.e. teacher, or even the racist card as some others have, sadly, mentioned.
I'd still like a better explanation for the soldier business, because I don't recall that being such a big issue prior to this season.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on September 30, 2014, 10:36:20 AM
I'm a bit baffled at the soldier stuff himself. Considering he was best friends with a guy from UNIT. :p

I'm sure it's leading up to his backstory of the Time War, either being a soldier or leading a battalion of soldiers.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: kkhohoho on October 02, 2014, 10:01:39 AM
Wow, you are sure forgiving of this season. I thought this past episode was pretty weak. I'm really getting tired of how the current Doctor is written. He's far too mean, and apparently clueless about humans, despite interacting with them for many many years. What's the deal with calling Pink a P.E. teacher over and over again? Why is this not explained? And why is he so anti-soldier?
I don't buy into the "He only wants the best for Clara" explanation. He might as well be walking around with a shotgun to scare away the creeps from his little girl.
I don't blame Capaldi, or even Jenna. They're doing the best they can with the shitty scripts they're being given.
I'd rather they expounded on what was going in in the intro to the episode, and gone from there. Now THAT could have been interesting.
Oh, I could keep going forever, but I'll just stop. I'm just so bummed at the direction the show has headed. A couple decent eps, and the rest mediocre, and less than.
This is the first season of Doctor Who my wife has ever watched. I suppose that might be to her advantage, as she has no basis for comparison.

Something tells me you haven't watched much of the Classic Series; specifically, the Sixth Doctor era. I haven't watched the latest season yet, but from how you describe it, it sounds a LOT like how the Sixth Doctor's original era was; a mean, jerkass Doctor, and abominable scripts. It was so bad that the show got put on hiatus for over a year.

But so far, most everyone I've heard from rather likes this new season. Differnt strokes for different folks, I suppose.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on October 02, 2014, 04:25:13 PM
Oh wow, yeah
http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/01/6_ways_the_sixth_doctor_from_doctor_who_got_screwe.php

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​In 1984, Peter Davison left Doctor Who as his version of the Doctor, the gentle, much-loved fifth, regenerated into the sixth. Producer John Nathan-Turner and others on the production staff felt it was time to take the series in another direction and perhaps return to the darkness and ambiguity of the show's early years. The actor chosen to herald this shift in tone was Colin Baker, who had appeared in a smallish part on the show before and had made a good impression on Nathan-Turner and others at a party. The Sixth Doctor was deliberately designed to be a change of pace: brash, verbose, aggressive and manic, his on-screen behavior to become the stuff of infamy among fans. At the time, Baker was enthusiastic and speculated that he might go on to be the longest-running Doctor ever: the following debacle would make that statement seem like some sort of a sick joke, as Colin became not only the shortest-lived Doctor on TV (aside from Paul McGann's Eighth) but the most controversial as well.

That costume of his automatically takes 10 points off.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: kkhohoho on October 02, 2014, 10:34:34 PM
That costume of his automatically takes 10 points off.

If it's any consolation, he switched out the horror show jacket for a much less eye-bleeding one in the Big Finish Audios. (Which also had a web-animation special, which premiered the coat.) It still had the same basic form, but it was all one shade of  blue as opposed to being the Technicolor Dreamcoat From Hell.

And as a bonus, the Doctor got an awesome (and middle-aged,) new companion, Evelyn Smyth, of whom mellowed out Six to the point of actually being likeable; the writing for Six's audios shot up around there as well. Basically, they realized what made Six stink on TV, and redeemed themselves wholesale for the audios.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on October 02, 2014, 10:56:31 PM
Wow, you are sure forgiving of this season. I thought this past episode was pretty weak. I'm really getting tired of how the current Doctor is written. He's far too mean, and apparently clueless about humans, despite interacting with them for many many years. What's the deal with calling Pink a P.E. teacher over and over again? Why is this not explained? And why is he so anti-soldier?
I don't buy into the "He only wants the best for Clara" explanation. He might as well be walking around with a shotgun to scare away the creeps from his little girl.
I don't blame Capaldi, or even Jenna. They're doing the best they can with the shitty scripts they're being given.
I'd rather they expounded on what was going in in the intro to the episode, and gone from there. Now THAT could have been interesting.
Oh, I could keep going forever, but I'll just stop. I'm just so bummed at the direction the show has headed. A couple decent eps, and the rest mediocre, and less than.
This is the first season of Doctor Who my wife has ever watched. I suppose that might be to her advantage, as she has no basis for comparison.

Something tells me you haven't watched much of the Classic Series; specifically, the Sixth Doctor era. I haven't watched the latest season yet, but from how you describe it, it sounds a LOT like how the Sixth Doctor's original era was; a mean, jerkass Doctor, and abominable scripts. It was so bad that the show got put on hiatus for over a year.

But so far, most everyone I've heard from rather likes this new season. Differnt strokes for different folks, I suppose.

I've never seen any old who. I can't see how having a jerk doctor once before somehow makes this jerk doctor ok.
I don't dislike him, or the show, entirely. It's had it's good moments, certainly. But then they always seem to be followed up with something bad. Bad writing, bad characterization, bad stories overall.
I don't really know anyone around me that watches the show to ask if they are liking it or not. A page I frequent seems to be full of discontented fans, though. Read her latest review, and the comments below it: http://www.flickfilosopher.com/doctor-who

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: kkhohoho on October 02, 2014, 11:10:18 PM
Wow, you are sure forgiving of this season. I thought this past episode was pretty weak. I'm really getting tired of how the current Doctor is written. He's far too mean, and apparently clueless about humans, despite interacting with them for many many years. What's the deal with calling Pink a P.E. teacher over and over again? Why is this not explained? And why is he so anti-soldier?
I don't buy into the "He only wants the best for Clara" explanation. He might as well be walking around with a shotgun to scare away the creeps from his little girl.
I don't blame Capaldi, or even Jenna. They're doing the best they can with the shitty scripts they're being given.
I'd rather they expounded on what was going in in the intro to the episode, and gone from there. Now THAT could have been interesting.
Oh, I could keep going forever, but I'll just stop. I'm just so bummed at the direction the show has headed. A couple decent eps, and the rest mediocre, and less than.
This is the first season of Doctor Who my wife has ever watched. I suppose that might be to her advantage, as she has no basis for comparison.

Something tells me you haven't watched much of the Classic Series; specifically, the Sixth Doctor era. I haven't watched the latest season yet, but from how you describe it, it sounds a LOT like how the Sixth Doctor's original era was; a mean, jerkass Doctor, and abominable scripts. It was so bad that the show got put on hiatus for over a year.

But so far, most everyone I've heard from rather likes this new season. Differnt strokes for different folks, I suppose.

I've never seen any old who. I can't see how having a jerk doctor once before somehow makes this jerk doctor ok.

I didn't say that. All I was saying is that this has been done before. I didn't say it should be done again. (Which it shouldn't be, honestly.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on October 02, 2014, 11:53:16 PM
Wow, you are sure forgiving of this season. I thought this past episode was pretty weak. I'm really getting tired of how the current Doctor is written. He's far too mean, and apparently clueless about humans, despite interacting with them for many many years. What's the deal with calling Pink a P.E. teacher over and over again? Why is this not explained? And why is he so anti-soldier?

I like how Capaldi's doctor is written - it's actually a nice change from the last two.

It's funny, I don't remember people complaining about Eccleston's doctor being too grumpy.

I will grant that last week's episode sucked - and sucked hard.

I don't get the anti-soldier thing either, given his past with UNIT, but many people suspect it's due to the Time War.

That said, the buzz on the coming episode is positive all around. I've read a few spoiler-free reviews and they've all been universally positive.

Lots of people saying this might be even better than Listen (which I thought was only soso, so we'll see).

I hope you guys like
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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on October 05, 2014, 03:43:43 AM
That said, the buzz on the coming episode is positive all around. I've read a few spoiler-free reviews and they've all been universally positive.

Lots of people saying this might be even better than Listen (which I thought was only soso, so we'll see).

I hope you guys like
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Brilliant premise tonight.  But like last week's possible 'racism' undertone, this one may delivery a stronger 'pro-life/choice' one.
I think it's misdirected, sure it was there, but I liked the greater implications in this episode and to get some idea of when/why the Doctor meddles with history and when he doesn't. And this time, despite his power (and possible ability to abuse that power) he just flew off to let others find out what was the right or wrong choice.... where the 'right' choice was figured out ONLY on a last-second final impulse.

I think this episode was a lot like "Midnight" in a way. Some episodes have a cool plot; but some just want to set up an interesting scenario. Midnight had next to no real plot, or real action, or a big mystery, or big evil villain; but more of an experiment on 'mob mentality' played to an episode and it turned out very, very well. "Kill the Moon" sets up a conundrum for our Doctor's meddling and asks "field trippers" to decide history.


Anyways, I actually, even if not always agree with that Flick filosopher website you posted Grim.  I love how reviewers can make "those observations" that tickle the bak of your mind but you never arrange into words.  Good writing too
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on October 05, 2014, 11:02:54 PM
That said, the buzz on the coming episode is positive all around. I've read a few spoiler-free reviews and they've all been universally positive.

Lots of people saying this might be even better than Listen (which I thought was only soso, so we'll see).

I hope you guys like
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Brilliant premise tonight.  But like last week's possible 'racism' undertone, this one may delivery a stronger 'pro-life/choice' one.
I think it's misdirected, sure it was there, but I liked the greater implications in this episode and to get some idea of when/why the Doctor meddles with history and when he doesn't. And this time, despite his power (and possible ability to abuse that power) he just flew off to let others find out what was the right or wrong choice.... where the 'right' choice was figured out ONLY on a last-second final impulse.

I think this episode was a lot like "Midnight" in a way. Some episodes have a cool plot; but some just want to set up an interesting scenario. Midnight had next to no real plot, or real action, or a big mystery, or big evil villain; but more of an experiment on 'mob mentality' played to an episode and it turned out very, very well. "Kill the Moon" sets up a conundrum for our Doctor's meddling and asks "field trippers" to decide history.


Anyways, I actually, even if not always agree with that Flick filosopher website you posted Grim.  I love how reviewers can make "those observations" that tickle the bak of your mind but you never arrange into words.  Good writing too

I always anticipate her reviews. She normally has them up by Sunday night. She sees things that I just don't see, and I like that.
I thought Kill The Moon was decent. Great premise, certainly, but the ending just kind of left me feeling "blah". Well, of the story, anyway.
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Claras final words, as bad ass as they were, felt out of the place in this season. It was long overdue, and very well said, but like something out of the Tennant era, if you know what I mean. Emotions haven't played much part in this season as of yet, and I don't see that changing.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on October 08, 2014, 02:14:04 PM
I really, really don't get the outcry over the science of KRM.

So people have a problem with this episode - but not with the Tardis dragging the Earth back into its place in the solar system with absolutely no damage to anyone or anything on the planet?

People are ridonkulous sometimes.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on October 19, 2014, 12:24:50 AM
Holy shit this has been a great run of episodes.

I thought Flatline looked terrible from last week's preview and it might be my favourite episode of the new season.

I can't believe how good this season, and Capaldi, are.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on October 19, 2014, 11:35:58 AM
Holy shit this has been a great run of episodes.

I thought Flatline looked terrible from last week's preview and it might be my favourite episode of the new season.

I can't believe how good this season, and Capaldi, are.

Yeah I thought it was cool how they made sense of their monster; it was very unique, probably the most so since the Angels (but I might be forgetting something).

Clara's contentious relationship with the Doctor has only made her more interesting, and Capaldi's inability to play nice makes him a nice departure from the previous Doctors.

Two-dis!!!!!!

EDIT: Probably the only thing bugging me now is the Heaven plot.  It's getting way too little attention, is high too speculative, and I'm worried/thinking it won't pay off.... and I won't care.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on October 19, 2014, 08:53:11 PM
I'm the complete opposite of Lard. I think this season has been incredibly mediocre so far. There hasn't been a single stand out episode yet.
I like Capaldi as the Doctor. It's the things they make him say that I'm not enjoying.
Last nights episode was just ok. I wish they would stop treating Danny Pink like he's an idiot, though. The whole Clara/Pink relationship subplot has gone nowhere.
I agree with Dice about the mystery lady/mystery place. It feels way too detached from everything else going on. I'm sure we'll get some halfhazard explanation for it in the end, but that won't make up for what we've seen already.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on October 25, 2014, 04:20:44 PM
I just find it incredibly weird you would say that because this season seems like they're really trying to experiment and be creative.

(Except the Dalek episode, but it was still fairly good)
 
I'm curious how you guys will like today's episode.

I liked it overall.

I thought the resolution was clever and actually made sense, as well as Danny's actions.

It may have been a "kid friendly" episode but it didn't seem dumbed down.

And man.....that finale looks amazing.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on October 25, 2014, 04:42:07 PM
I thought it was the worst episode I've seen in a long time. :P

I don't know how you could find it good, really. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on October 25, 2014, 06:57:36 PM
What was wrong with it exactly?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on October 25, 2014, 07:30:28 PM
Lots of things.

I'll put it in spoiler tags.

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The ham fisted anti-deforestation plot. Nearly as bad at the anti-abortion episode.

Why did the tree fairies need the little girl to speak through? Why torment her with visions. Did they abduct her sister, or did they just return her from elsewhere? The subplot with her sister makes no sense.

The governments top-notch plan to take care of the forest problem was to BURN IT DOWN? The entire planet is now a forest and your bright idea is to start a forest fire? In the middle of London? Though the entire population of London seems to have disapeared any way, so it doesn't matter.

Clara seems like the worst teacher ever. Not only does she tell people in her special needs class that they have no imagination, she also allows for overt bullying of the other students.

No body needed to be there! Absolutely no intervention was nessecarry. If the Doctor didn't just so happen to land on that day, He probably never would have known.

How would everyone on Earth "forget" the time it was completely covered in a dense forest? It's not like you can miss it. And this is the Imformation Age, it will have been recorded a million times over.

Clara made absolutely no sense in this episode. Her characterization is all over the place this season. Was she seriously going to let a group of innocent school kids to be burned to death for no other reason than that they would miss their mums and dads? Isn't her incredibly annoying boyfriend Danny an orphan? How would he feel about her saying that?

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Andrew on October 25, 2014, 11:57:05 PM
Only a few episodes from this season I've enjoyed so far. I just... I don't like the story or the script. I'm not a big fan of Clara either. It's bumming me out because I really want to enjoy it. I'm just... not.

Maybe it's just because I loved Tennant/Piper so much, I've struggled to adjust. I wasn't a fan of Matt Smith.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on October 26, 2014, 01:10:53 AM
I sorta liked it.  The episode was much too long for what it was
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where effectively the situation was to do nothing and let it sort itself out....for 40 minutes
But the script had some good ideas, the cinematography was actually *really* excellent, the use of characters (specficailly who commanded each scene kept changing), the developing themes and characters felt meaningful enough (but still no closer to that silly finale/heaven shite) and the shenanigans with the kids was a fun change of pace to pit against the grumpy Doctor.  Basically, I think it suffered (and really suffered) from some half-baked ideas and one of the worst B-plots ever (the hydrangeas thing...whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.).  This episode was not really about anything, and more of an excuse to have some fun with other things I guess...  Bah.  Nothing was lost or gained by this episode --- it's certainly a strange one.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on October 26, 2014, 11:01:03 AM
The script did have some good ideas.

The only part I can see real complaints about was the sister subplot, which I agree didn't really make sense.

It was at least interesting. The show feels completely different from the soap infused trash we got from RTD.

This feels more like the original show, and I think some people just can't get over it.

The amount of ridiculous hyperbole I've seen over this episode makes me think half the people don't even watch it.

Edit - I'm not specifically talking about anyone here, just so there's no misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on October 26, 2014, 10:58:38 PM
I missed last nights episode due to being out with my wife. I'll try and find a way to watch it tomorrow night and report back.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on October 27, 2014, 10:57:44 PM
Total agreement with Star and Dice. This episode was just "blah". Nothing really happened. I'm a total tree hugger, but still found the whole "trees are great" business a bit over the top.
Her sisters name was Annabelle? Really? That's a type of Hydrangea, in case anyone didn't know that. A white one, though. The one shown was purple or blue. That little side story was pointless.
The Clara/Danny relationship keeps getting  worse and worse.
Can we see the dark haired lady slowly killed in the last episode? Or at least roughed up a bit? That might make the whole season worth while.

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 02, 2014, 12:33:14 AM
*NOW* are you guys happy?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Raze on November 02, 2014, 06:37:13 PM
*NOW* are you guys happy?

I don't know, on one hand I saw a good episode of doctor who.

On the other hand I just had a huge argument with my penis.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on November 02, 2014, 06:41:23 PM
*NOW* are you guys happy?

Because disliking one episode makes me somehow hard to please? :P

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on November 02, 2014, 08:28:37 PM
Malcome #$%^&^ Tucker reference????!!!  That was meta....

Definitely another good ep.
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One minor beef is that a moment as big as Danny's death felt more like a plot device that any Who episode intro might use than an actual pivotal moment vital to Clara's character.  Why did he keep just syaing 'I love you' to Clara than answer her question???  Seemed kinda silly (I wasn't a bit distracted watching the episode, so I might have missed some details)
I liked it and can't wait for the next episode.  The plot was intriguing and the ideas were as whack as ever.  I do feel that using Daleks and Cybermen feel like....a plot adjunct that starts writing itself, but the idea for "dark water" was a clever twist.

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The Missy reveal was very good; which is awesome because the heaven stuff was really lackluster to watch during the season and provided little context and entertainment for people to theorize anything fancy.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on November 02, 2014, 10:54:09 PM
*NOW* are you guys happy?
You act like I actively WANT to dislike the show. In past seasons I've enjoyed far more than I've disliked.
To answer your question, NO, I thought this ep. was pretty bad. It was just so all over the place and inconsistent. And the whole second half depends on an act that could not have been planned for, making it ridiculous.
Dice calls it minor. I disagree.
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Clara acting the way she was with the Doctors keys was just so bizarre, and out of character. It felt like we missed an episode or ten building up to this.
This whole heaven and hell thing as a cover for a plan by The Master bring back the Cybermen is just so damn WTF.
And why would the Doctor even decide to go to Hell anyway? Wouldn't he just go back in the time stream to save Danny? Why attempt to go someplace that he wouldn't even believe exists? I can't even see Clara buying into that. Plus, Danny being the great guy that he is, would be in Heaven, no? At least according to Clara and Doc, who don't know what he'd done in the Army.
This whole ep just drove me nuts, and not in a good way.
Once again, MAJ writes a great review, although she nit picks more than what I would.
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The Master being female didn't even click as an issue with me. http://www.flickfilosopher.com/2014/11/doctor-blogging-dark-water.html
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 02, 2014, 11:09:48 PM
I started reading her review and closed it as soon as it turned into a "Moffat is teh sexist!"

It's beyond a dead horse a this point.

I just don't understand how you can look at the camp crap of Tennant's run with things like Donna becoming a *massive* deus ex machina vs. the serious tone and more grounded (overall) feel of this series. I just do not get it.

It took them 9 years but they finally got Doctor Who right.

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on November 02, 2014, 11:29:20 PM
I think there was a build up Grim to the event. It's just that Danny and Clara have no chemistry at all so no one cared or believed it. :P

As for...

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Going back in time to save Danny. The show has established that it isn't possible in the episode "Fathers Day" in the first series with Rose. She tried to save her dad from being killed by a car (I don't think Danny dying in a traffic accident was a coincidence to this fact) and then the weird time eating bat things appeared and started to dismantle reality.

The Doctor really has had some bullshit excuses for why he can't just go back in time, but I think Danny's death is so familiar to Rose's dads death because we are [i]supposed[/i] to compare the two and accept that this isn't something he can just change.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on November 03, 2014, 12:09:17 AM
Oddly, I have less issue with the Danny death mainly because this series as a "time travelling series" is pretty much set aside in the name of good entertainment and a sometimes contrived idea of what can and can't go (or, as Mongoosey said, some "bullshit reasoning").  I definitely think it'd be a bigger impact to say a really sad goodbye, but I'd also hate a sadder ending for Clara.  But that might just be me, since I'm not too focused on show logistics or reasoning --- it's so steeped in 'make-believe' that I don't really try to think too hard for episodes and just enjoy the story they try to tell.

I actually liked Clara and Danny the most in "Listen" where their mis-matched chemistry was a lot more entertaining and strangely bittersweet.  But yeah, since then there doesn't really feel like as much time to establish them as a "good couple" other than the show saying so ("The Janitor" made good effort to do so, the "In the Forests" backtracked making him some doting nobody pointlessly in the way of Clara's big adventure).  And certainly "Dark Water" didn't explore her grief enough.  I actually thing they should have stretched the beginning to go on longer and condensed the second half.  Parts of it could have easily been shortened; Dr Chang begged for his life three times when we knew how it was gonna end, and Missy was just kinda just hanging around the hallways till the Doctor looped back in.

I thought the Master being a female was fantastic though, so I don't see what's sexist about it?  A main [antagonist's] role, traditionally male, is finally female?  That's a 'yay' as far as I'm concerned and made the character harder to identify.  It makes the dynamic a bit more interesting and I assume why they often pair the Doctor with a female companion in the first place.

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Zendervai on November 03, 2014, 12:28:03 AM
I thought the Master being a female was fantastic though, so I don't see what's sexist about it?  A main [antagonist's] role, traditionally male, is finally female?  That's a 'yay' as far as I'm concerned and made the character harder to identify.  It makes the dynamic a bit more interesting and I assume why they often pair the Doctor with a female companion in the first place.

Some people think it's sexist because Moffat didn't make the Doctor a woman, so making the crazy villain a woman is apparently really bad. People seem to be under the delusion that Moffat went "the Doctor will NEVER be female, EVER!" when what he actually said (right before the reveal of Peter Capaldi by the way) was more along the lines of "it's not in the cards right now". Which is...not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

Hell, for all we know the BBC itself could have mandated no female Doctors.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on November 03, 2014, 12:39:24 AM
I thought the Master being a female was fantastic though, so I don't see what's sexist about it?  A main [antagonist's] role, traditionally male, is finally female?  That's a 'yay' as far as I'm concerned and made the character harder to identify.  It makes the dynamic a bit more interesting and I assume why they often pair the Doctor with a female companion in the first place.

Some people think it's sexist because Moffat didn't make the Doctor a woman, so making the crazy villain a woman is apparently really bad. People seem to be under the delusion that Moffat went "the Doctor will NEVER be female, EVER!" when what he actually said (right before the reveal of Peter Capaldi by the way) was more along the lines of "it's not in the cards right now". Which is...not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

Being honest, I wouldn't *want* a female Doctor until the perfect lady can be cast or the writing and plots for that particular season is nothing short of top-tier.  I'd hate if Doctor Who (or any celebrated series) became notorious for a shake-up as BIG as a gender change of its leading character to be considered a huge mistake... because the Internet wouldn't stop bitching that a "woman ruined their series" or that she'd be the "bad egg" amongst the boys.... or seeing more of these kinds of posts (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=12624.msg341606#msg341606).

And I stick by what I said.  I think a sort of "baby step" like changing a primary villain (well, by Who's "in-and-out" standards) from a traditionally male to a female was great.  *shrug*
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on November 03, 2014, 12:41:44 AM
There are plenty women out there that would make awesome Doctors, but I'm with Dice on the timing. The timing being Ryan Murphy starts writing Doctor Who. :P

Edit: I'm kidding before Grim goes off on one. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on November 03, 2014, 08:49:00 AM
Ha! Ryan Murphy would make Jessica Lang the new Doctor! Now THAT would be amusing.
Personally, I have no problem with The Master being female, nor did I think it was a slight against a possible female doc. It really didn't even occur to me until I read that review I posted.
I AM annoyed at the constant recycling of villians, though. When it was revealed that she was The Master, my eyes couldn't possibly have rolled any higher.
The Clara/Danny relationship is horrid, and has resulted in zero feels for whatever happens to them. I actually cared about Amy and Rory after a while.
I like Capaldi. I just feel bad for him that he's been stuck with such bad writing.


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Going back in time to save Danny. The show has established that it isn't possible in the episode "Fathers Day" in the first series with Rose. She tried to save her dad from being killed by a car (I don't think Danny dying in a traffic accident was a coincidence to this fact) and then the weird time eating bat things appeared and started to dismantle reality.

The Doctor really has had some bullshit excuses for why he can't just go back in time, but I think Danny's death is so familiar to Rose's dads death because we are [i]supposed[/i] to compare the two and accept that this isn't something he can just change.

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So what did Clara expect him to do then? What are the chances that she would stick her fingers in the TARDIS goo and somehow send them to some made up "Hell" that the Master created just for The Doctor? How could that possibly have been planned for? It just makes no sense!
It's ok to suspend disbelief and just enjoy a fantastical story, but it still needs to follow the rules of it's own world.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on November 03, 2014, 08:56:31 AM
@Grim

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Hey I didn't say I knew all the answers. ;) I hated that part myself. So many people the Doctor has cared about has died, but this is the FIRST time he's ever gotten around to searching for an afterlife? That's so bizarre.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Andrew on November 04, 2014, 10:23:35 PM
Late to the party...

FINALLY! Th first episode this season that I've enjoyed. Honestly don't give a damn about Danny, but the rest was excellent.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on November 08, 2014, 11:31:57 PM
I can't say I liked this episode outside of Missy.  The bit at the end was very bittersweet*, and I'm worried I'll hate [yet another] Christmas special.

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Both got cheated of a happy ending and both had to lie about it, it seems.  Hugs do hide the faces we do make though.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 09, 2014, 06:54:58 PM
Mixed feelings about the episode.

I liked the bittersweet ending but the "power of love' conquering the Cyber-Men just made me throw my hands up in the air with frustration.

It sucked in the Fifth Element, it sucked in the Matrix and it sucks in Doctor Who.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on November 09, 2014, 07:11:46 PM
Mixed feelings about the episode.

I liked the bittersweet ending but the "power of love' conquering the Cyber-Men just made me throw my hands up in the air with frustration.

It sucked in the Fifth Element, it sucked in the Matrix and it sucks in Doctor Who.

I like the Fifth Element because that whole movie is pretty 'out there' and painting a future universe with all that psychedlia and tackiness of the 90s; Ruby Rod being the totem pole of that idea.  I still think it was fun till TBS ran it a billion times.

Doctor Who is pretty out there too, but it selects how it wants to tell a story.  I liked the "Mummy Express" episode because I thought it was a cool "horror/mystery" even if its concepts are ludicrous.  I liked "The Janitor" for making a goofy high-school love triangle plot with more emphasis on characters than a villain.

But "A Death in Heaven" showed me a bizarre, under-developed concept of the afterlife, a great concept for death/cybermen that also goes under-developed, and served up hammy concepts like its use of the "power of love" that felt like a poor solution to a problem to a big problem (so...like...are there no bodies in cemeteries anymore???).

For what was a pretty powerful season (to me, of course), I thought the first and last episodes were pretty terrible for all intents and purposes.  Dalek, Forest, and Sherwood being serviceable, but the rest ranking pretty high to me.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on November 09, 2014, 10:41:56 PM
Sadly, my reaction is getting too predictable. There was just so much wrong or ridiculous that it was hard to ignore.
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So now we have magical raindrops that can turn dead people into cybermen? Huh? I thought before the human was "upgraded" with a metal shell or whatever, but now we have Organic matter turning into non-organic? And what about the long decomposed bodies coming back? Or do they get to stay dead? 
The whole Danny/Clara thing JUST DIDN'T WORK. I felt nothing at the end when the show was trying to get me to feel something.
Once again, we have Clara being a demanding bitch and putting her own needs above humanity. WTF?
What was up with those 2 guards behind Missy on the ship? talk about Worst Guards EVAR! they didn't see her breaking out of the cuffs, then did nothing after she did.

I could go on and on.
I did grow to kind of like The Master this go around. The actress was obviously having a lot of fun with the role.
I'm relieved that this terrible season is over. Capaldi notwithstanding.
I can't wait for the terrible Christmas episode. They always are.
 

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Prime Mover on December 26, 2014, 05:22:08 PM
Series 8 was the biggest roller-coaster of the series, it had some of my favorite episodes to date: The Groundskeeper, Flatline, Into the Dalek, and Deep Breath. But also had some of the worst episodes ever: Listen (utter crap), Kill the Moon (wow!), and In the Forest of the Night. It had a number of "okay" episodes: Robot of Sherwood, Time Heist, and Mummy. And it had one really schizophrenic, "is it great, is it horrible?" finale.

I do think they finally have started to shake off the "let's make everything BIG" problems they had with the second half of Series 7, enjoying a few absolutely fun romps (Caretaker and Flatline being two of my absolute favorites), but they haven't reached the amazingly care-free-ness of the RTD era or earlier Moffat series.

But now they have finally stasis: same Doctor, same Companion, they can stop tying to prove them to the world and start just having fun with them. Thankfully, all the worst episodes weren't Moffats, and I think because of the general consensus on those, MAYBE the team will have learned their lesson. I think "Kill the Moon" is to DW how "Threshold" or "Spock's Brain" are to Star Trek, everyone knows it was awful, the creators can just pretend they didn't make them, and can make sure never to do something so horrific again. But I'm just about as equally hateful of "Listen", an episode made up almost entirely of vapid monologues by the Doctor that turn out to be all completely wrong and bullshit. It was boring, it was a waste of time, and it made me feel stupid for watching it.

Listen - award for worst pacing and writing in the entire show
Kill the Moon - Threshold award... utterly bat-shit stupid. Every plot "twist" made me want to cry.
Flatline - Greatest moments by a companion. Finally writers getting to have some amazingly fun humor in their scripts. Cousin It Doctor! Waahoo!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on December 26, 2014, 11:42:30 PM
Christmas episode was just so damn weird. It left me feeling completely nothing. What the hell was with all the inception levels of "Are you dreaming or awake?" nonsense? Ugh.
As usual, I was left with tons of questions and WTF thoughts, but i honestly don't care enough to talk about them.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on December 26, 2014, 11:53:50 PM
I liked it... but then it kept going on, layering about 5 layers of spoilers and nonsense.  It was fun, and Nick Frost was a fun-enough Santa.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Prime Mover on December 27, 2014, 04:25:51 AM
Yeah, I was kinda "meh" about it. Coulda been a lot worse, but that's not saying much. My girlfriend liked it well enough, and she usually hates that kinda shit, so it obviously has some things going for it. Nick Frost as santa, very cool. The "scientist" dorks were totally throwaway though.

As I said, weird weird season. Can't say it was really bad, but woah do I have some serious questions as to where Moffat and the writers' heads are at.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Raze on December 28, 2014, 03:55:41 AM
The "scientist" dorks were totally throwaway though.

They didn't really give anyone but the blonde anything to work with, but she was pretty good.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on December 30, 2014, 08:55:11 AM
So I binge watched the DVDs for the most recent season of Doctor Who having not seen any of the episodes before. My overall thoughts? It was alright? I don't really like or dislike the new Doctor. He is perfectly serviceable as the Doctor, but coming on the heels of Matt Smith (my favorite Doctor) I just don't find myself feeling any strong emotions for him. The one thing I loved about this season was Missy, she was amazing and my only complaint is that they killed her off (for good, once again!). I'm sure the character will be back because I do not believe for a second that this character will ever die for good, but I doubt we'll be lucky enough to see a return of the actress.

I liked Deep Breath (well parts of it at least), Into the Dalek, Time Heist, Mummy on the Orient Express, and Dark Warter. I was pretty meh on the rest of the episodes. I'd probably put this season somewhere in the middle of the pack of the revival seasons.....actually maybe towards the bottom since I can't really think of too many bad seasons to cushion its position.

Side note, this season would seem to have a temporal paradox to it. In Listen we apparently meet Tommy's (wait was that his name? I can't seem to remember or sure a day later) descendant because his timeline was directly related to hers. The implication of course being that she was the time traveler's great-grandmother (and I don't see any other way that can be resolved). Under the very loose rules of time travel established that should mean that her having his grandfather should now be an observed point in time resulting in it being unchangeable. But apparently Tommy is dead now, so that isn't happening....unless Clara is currently pregnant. Actually, the better question is probably why I take the rule about a time traveler observing a result making that result unavoidable seriously when the Doctor constantly seems to think it is possible for all of humanity to be wiped out when he has seen futures where that clearly did not happen. God damn inconsistent time travel rules. >.>

So in summary, what was the point of Tommy's great grandson that will never come to be in Listen now?

Dammit, now I'm nostalgic for the unkillable Rory. He handled being a companion's significant other much better.....mostly because he was immune to death, but still. Ah Rory, you will always be near the top of my best companions list.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Maxximum on December 30, 2014, 01:23:11 PM
Its Danny Pink you're thinking of.
Just because he's dead doesn't really mean he's going to stay dead.
They could bring him back to life, they can have Clara travel back in time to see him again and get knocked up somewhere along the way or even
bring him back from the past as a series regular only to have a dramatic final episode where he "has to go back" knowing he's about to die.
Plenty of options really.
It's a show where writers can do whatever the  heck they want as long as they come up with a good enough excuse for it.

Personally, I was hoping for a somewhat darker and more complicated Doctor.
Not to say the season was bad, but I don't think it lived up to the promise of having the doctor push his moral boundaries.
In fact, I'd have to say that Smith's Doctor was actually darker and creepier at times while Capaldi's just comes across as older and grumpier.
The Danny Pink story arch was also rather rushed and it didn't really have the dramatic effect they ware going for.

It was fun, and Nick Frost was a fun-enough Santa.

I thought that was the show's little Christmas joke (Saint Nick and Jack Frost) until I read your comment and looked it up. Having a guy actually called Nick Frost play Santa, brilliant :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on December 31, 2014, 08:52:24 AM
Its Danny Pink you're thinking of.
....Wow. You know I am impressed at how little of an impression he left with me if I couldn't even remember his name less than 24 hours after watching his heroic sacrifice. I am going to put him as the weakest part of the season.

Just because he's dead doesn't really mean he's going to stay dead.
They could bring him back to life, they can have Clara travel back in time to see him again and get knocked up somewhere along the way or even
bring him back from the past as a series regular only to have a dramatic final episode where he "has to go back" knowing he's about to die.
Plenty of options really.
It's a show where writers can do whatever the  heck they want as long as they come up with a good enough excuse for it.
And I just realized that I don't like Clara anymore. I was thinking that this was her last season for some reason, but your comments made me look it up to find out I was wrong.....and then I felt a bit of pessimism for the next season. It is weird, I can't think of anything particular that I actively dislike about the actress or the character. I dunno, I'm thinking it may just be that I feel the current Doctor and Clara have a toxic relationship that is not fun to watch. I guess I'll just have to wait till next year for the next set of DVDs to see how things play out. >.>
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Maxximum on December 31, 2014, 12:13:15 PM
I'm pretty sure Coleman wasn't confirmed for next season until the Christmas special aired. Her character was built on being surrounded by mystery so I'm not surprised that people find Clara less interesting now that the "impossible girl" and "someone making sure they meet and stay together" angles are resolved. I still like her as a character, but she's nowhere near as interesting as she was before.
Danny Pinks arch was very weak and I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they rushed it was because they weren't sure weather Coleman would be back for another season.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: GrimReality on December 31, 2014, 08:25:04 PM
Initially I liked Clara simply because she's gorgeous. Plus, she WAS interesting for a while. Now I'm entirely sick of her. I was bummed at the end of the Christmas episode why they implied she'll be back for season 9. I was hoping for a fresh companion.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Daggerstrike on January 02, 2015, 07:43:27 PM
Initially I liked Clara simply because she's gorgeous. Plus, she WAS interesting for a while. Now I'm entirely sick of her. I was bummed at the end of the Christmas episode why they implied she'll be back for season 9. I was hoping for a fresh companion.

I am with you. My only hope is that with Danny Pink gone (probably/mostly) and now that she is used to the new darker more crabby Doctor she will be able to grow a bit and maybe not be this annoying "clever" girl she has kind of grown into as it has progressed. She started out great, witty and clever enough to keep up, then she became almost a foil to the doctor, and so hopefully now she can go back to being interesting, and not just hot.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on May 06, 2015, 11:07:34 AM
the current Doctor and Clara have a toxic relationship that is not fun to watch.
You know, I love Doctor Who and I liked Season 8 and I apologize for it frequently, if for no other reason than Peter Capaldi is amazing.  But I really have to agree with the above.  Well said.

My biggest (and perhaps, only) real problem with Season 8 is Orson Pink.  They better address that in the next series.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on June 07, 2015, 07:51:57 PM
Considering the state of the character, I think they have.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on June 08, 2015, 10:35:43 AM
Considering the state of the character, I think they have.
Explain.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Maxximum on August 03, 2015, 02:37:02 PM
Considering the state of the character, I think they have.
Explain.
Lard was probably thinking of Danny Pink.
It really isn't that hard to explain Orson considering the time traveling nature of the show. Clara goes back in time, runs into Danny... The rest writes itself.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on August 03, 2015, 05:55:46 PM
Considering the state of the character, I think they have.
Explain.
Lard was probably thinking of Danny Pink.
It really isn't that hard to explain Orson considering the time traveling nature of the show. Clara goes back in time, runs into Danny... The rest writes itself.
Oh........  oh, I see....
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Starmongoose on September 26, 2015, 04:39:13 PM
It's back and Missy is awesome.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on September 28, 2015, 03:50:10 PM
Yeeeeess!  The opening two-parter was actually quite good!  Missy was a lot of fun, and the whole Clara-as-a-Dahlek thing was not only a great call-back, but a really really really interesting and thought-provoking bit of storytelling as far as Doctor Who lore is concerned.

Although, of course, it did the whole "make up new lore, use said made-up new lore as the solution the hero uses to win" thing.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on October 05, 2015, 01:20:56 AM
This season is 3/3 so far.

Really good writing overall and a great mystery this week.

I really like the more subdued tone of Capaldi's Doctor.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on October 05, 2015, 10:24:55 AM
Haven't seen it yet, but can you tell me what the "ghosts" actually are??
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on October 05, 2015, 12:23:51 PM
Haven't seen it yet, but can you tell me what the "ghosts" actually are??

Nothing yet, I'm guessing it'll be revealed next episode.

They're a pretty good monster-of-the-week, legitimately creepy (despite the simple prosthetic/makeup to make it happen).

Great episodes so far, and I'm an outlier but I kinda like the more rickety relationship between Clara and Capaldi's Doctor.  It's kinda fun when they're not always agreeing.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on October 05, 2015, 02:38:50 PM
So the ghost one is a two-parter?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on October 08, 2015, 06:32:53 PM
From what I've read, the whole season is two parters.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on October 09, 2015, 09:13:03 AM
Makes sense, from looking at the episode titles. 

Wife and I aren't big on "the occult" so we tend to skip episodes that involve hauntings, witches, werewolves and that sort of thing.  So... the ghost one being a two-parter is a bummer, but they usually only delve into the occult once a season.  I don't think they did at all in Season 8, iirc.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on October 19, 2015, 02:58:08 PM
So... The Girl Who Died...

So much for all the "WHO IS MAISIE WILLIAMS?" fan theories out there, eh?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on November 10, 2015, 07:12:49 PM
So both those episodes with penis aliens were pretty awful.... the Doctor's war speech, however.... fuck.  They should play that scene if any country ever gets any ideas.

"Everyone is... safe."
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on November 11, 2015, 10:13:42 AM
I think The Zygon Inversion was the best episode since the opening two-parter with Davros et al.  Still not great, but a nice climax and some good Who-esque moments with Clara and her doppelganger.  And yes, the speech at the end was very reminiscent of 10 and 11.  It was nice to see 12 resolve a conflict with a grandiose speech.  Very nostalgic. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on November 18, 2015, 08:10:22 PM
Any thoughts on the latest?  I've never felt so ambivalent... It was an ok-enough concept, and I liked the very a-typical (no real winner/conclusion) ending... but....aauugh.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on November 19, 2015, 09:46:58 AM
I'm with you Dice, and the wife is getting increasingly annoyed with the show.  I'll be honest: I haven't watched the latest episode.  Since they're all two-parters, I'm waiting so we can just watch them back-to-back.

I still like the show, but it seems to have............. I don't know... lost a spark.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on November 20, 2015, 12:34:46 AM
It was .... okay. Not terrible but not fantastic.

On the other hand, I don't mind an experimental episode that's kind of interesting even if it fails slightly.

However, I'm loving the two parters this season and feel like this has been the strongest season since the show came back.

None of the camp or cheese of the RTD era, or the goofiness of the Matt Smith era.

I'm really enjoying the season. And all of the spoiler free reviews I've read says tomorrow's episode is amazing.

Peter Capaldi is my favourite Doctor since McCoy.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on November 22, 2015, 02:30:12 AM
Very "unceremonious" episode in some ways (I half-expected something grander, like a sun exploding or something literally more specific and heroic and less "whoopsie!"... but I guess it's some sort of moral lesson for being reckless?)

I still thought the plot was interesting, and truly while the other 'modern Doctors' were great to show their sadness when the occasion calls for it, Capaldi's use of anger makes him brilliant and frightening despite being our story's 'hero'.  Even through bad episodes, Capaldi has been great to watch.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on November 23, 2015, 01:24:28 PM
Yeah, there really wasn't any other way for Clara to go: done in by her own hubris.  For me, a new companion will be welcome.  For others, there's always hope to see Clara again, considering she is meant to have been seeded throughout the entirety of the Doctor's timeline, both past and future.  I personally hope we get Clara cameos for every regeneration from now til the end.

Speaking of which, is anyone else surprised Moffat hasn't given us more "Impossible" stuff?  After "The Impossible Astronaut" and "The Impossible Planet" and "The Impossible Girl" I kept waiting for more... like "The Impossible Sandwich" or "The Impossible Possibility" or whatever.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on November 24, 2015, 06:58:26 AM
I have yet to see any episodes in this season (I'll watch the whole thing once the DVDs are out), but I'm kinda glad Clara is gone. I really did not care for her last season.

Yeah, there really wasn't any other way for Clara to go: done in by her own hubris.  For me, a new companion will be welcome.  For others, there's always hope to see Clara again, considering she is meant to have been seeded throughout the entirety of the Doctor's timeline, both past and future.  I personally hope we get Clara cameos for every regeneration from now til the end.

Speaking of which, is anyone else surprised Moffat hasn't given us more "Impossible" stuff?  After "The Impossible Astronaut" and "The Impossible Planet" and "The Impossible Girl" I kept waiting for more... like "The Impossible Sandwich" or "The Impossible Possibility" or whatever.
Why stop at the Impossible Possibility? Why not go for the Impossible Impossibility?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on November 24, 2015, 08:30:33 AM
I loved Clara.  Certainly my bias for Xenoblade and her character kicks in.  But also strictly on a visual level she looks like a damn Pixar character and I can't stop staring.  She's sweet enough too and worked off the doc well enough.

I'd love another Donna-type though, she was a lot of fun. :)
If the series is pretty 'against' a male companion, I wouldn't mind one for one episode too!  
Either way, I'm excited for what's next.  
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on November 25, 2015, 11:27:24 AM
Something my wife said the other day: "Can you imagine Donna with Twelve? *proceeds to laugh hysterically for 60 seconds*"
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on December 05, 2015, 07:03:41 PM
Ugh. That finale.

First half? Great.

Second half? Sucked *ass*.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on December 05, 2015, 11:24:58 PM
Ugh. That finale.

First half? Great.

Second half? Sucked *ass*.

The episode was definitely about Clara/Doc and not the Doc and Gallifrey (that's probably being saved for the next time they decide the hiatus the show or something).  Because of that, I definitely liked the second half more since the first half kinda 'beat around the bush'; the series is incredibly sparse with details about the Doctor so I definitely didn't expect it here and wouldn't want it for a one hour episode.  That said, I like the ending, it's a much more epic send off than Clara fucking about with a magical Raven and works with her resonance with the Doctor as a pretty solid companion to him (and her change from timid to courageous).
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on December 06, 2015, 07:42:51 AM
The episode was definitely about Clara/Doc and not the Doc and Gallifrey (that's probably being saved for the next time they decide the hiatus the show or something).  Because of that, I definitely liked the second half more since the first half kinda 'beat around the bush'; the series is incredibly sparse with details about the Doctor so I definitely didn't expect it here and wouldn't want it for a one hour episode.  That said, I like the ending, it's a much more epic send off than Clara fucking about with a magical Raven and works with her resonance with the Doctor as a pretty solid companion to him (and her change from timid to courageous).

Just the opposite. It made the death feel incredibly cheap.

No companion will ever be in danger because Moffat refuses to kill them. It's weak as fuck.

The episode itself? Where do I even start.

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Gallifrey is back already, unceremoniously announced and we don't find out how.
Nor does the Doctor detect it, after the series telling us multiple times he would feel if any TLs came back to the universe.

We don't get any resolution of the Doctor/TL situation - he sends Rassilon off and then just leaves.

Speaking of which - they resurrect Rassilon to have him appear for ten minutes?
Then he just runs off like a bitch, especially while he's wearing TL weaponry? Bullshit.

We don't even see him address the High Council.

What happened to Missy? Again, another thread dropped.

Ohilia is now inexplicably the Doctor's enemy. And how the hell did she get to Gallifrey in the first place?
And why was *she* yelling at the Doctor to come back, and not one of the TLs? Again, it made zero sense.

Does the Doctor know where Gallifrey is now? Why did he bother saving it if he was just going to run off again?

The entire thing has been building up for 10 years and we got 20 grossly unsatisfying minutes.

On top of that, the Doctor is murdering people now.
Yes, he regenerated, but the Doctor *shot* him.
After last year's ragging on soldiers all season, he fucking picks up a gun and shoots someone in cold blood.

Complete bullshit.

Then we spend the rest of the episode setting up a Mary Sue resolution for Clara to run off in a Tardis.
Never mind the fact that it cheapens the death Face the Raven completely.

Then after repeatedly telling Clara that Danny can't be saved because it will create a paradox and maybe the end of the universe, when the Doctor is told that removing Clara and keeping her alive will create a fracture in time and end the universe? "Ah fuck it, I'm going to do it because I miss Clara". Shitty, inconsistent character writing.

And is the universe fucked now that Clara's been removed from time? Another thread totally dropped.

Then Clara inexplicably chooses the diner as her Tardis shape when she's never been there, and the Doctor even points it out. It makes zero sense. Why wouldn't she choose something like the cafe from her first episode?

Too many points went for a cutesy moment instead of a coherent plot.

This was shitty writing on the level of Lost or Prometheus and made zombie Cyberman Brigadier look like fucking Shakespeare.

This episode was worse than Fear Her. Easily one of my least favourite episodes in the entire run of the new series and the worst finale so far.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on December 07, 2015, 11:26:01 AM
I was happy to see a lackluster Season 9 get two REALLY GOOD episodes to finish it up.  Especially Heaven Sent.  That was some awesome classic Who craziness!  SO GOOD!

Really looking forward to the Christmas special, although it doesn't look like we'll be getting any answers or anything.  Just a fun romp.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on December 07, 2015, 05:21:08 PM
Sorry double post.  A couple thoughts on Heaven Sent:

- Did some iteration of the Doctor die naked?  I'm asking because there had to be a first iteration who left his clothes by the fire and then never put them back on.

- Did the Doctor paint that picture of Clara?  He remarked when he saw it that it was very old, so... maybe one of the "first" iterations painted it.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on January 06, 2016, 11:26:27 AM
Any thoughts on "The Husbands of River Song" from the RPGFan crew?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dice on January 06, 2016, 05:37:28 PM
Any thoughts on "The Husbands of River Song" from the RPGFan crew?

Nat bad as far as Christmas episodes go (since most of those are pretty weird).  River is a cool character and her and Capaldi had chemistry right off the bat.  The ending was a bit sweet, but a nice ending to a pretty dramatic season.  I'm really loving Capaldi too <3
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on January 07, 2016, 11:17:17 AM
Any thoughts on "The Husbands of River Song" from the RPGFan crew?

Nat bad as far as Christmas episodes go (since most of those are pretty weird).  River is a cool character and her and Capaldi had chemistry right off the bat.  The ending was a bit sweet, but a nice ending to a pretty dramatic season.  I'm really loving Capaldi too <3

I tend to agree!  I loved this Christmas special.  It was the most "madcap fun" of the Capaldi era, and it was most welcome.  Even the cheesy lines had me giggling: "I'm going to need a bigger flowchart" tickled me a lot for no reason. I think it was just Capaldi's delivery of the line.  And of course, the "hello sweetie" moment.  So good.

Having Heaven Sent, Hell Bent, and now this all in a row was a treat.  They're like 3 of the 4 best Capaldi episodes.  Although, as much as I disagree, I DO kinda sorta understand why Lard, as a super hardcore fan, could be so ticked by Hell Bent.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Raze on January 07, 2016, 11:56:32 PM
Xmas ep was funny and '24 years' was a nice twist ending to the Doctor and River without feeling like bullshit.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on December 28, 2016, 10:35:52 AM
So. 

Who watched "The Return of Doctor Mysterio"?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on January 09, 2017, 05:37:05 PM
So I finally caught up on the most recent season by watching the BluRays of it (and it was nice of to include the Husbands of River Song) over the weekend. Overall...I really don't know what my feelings on the season were. There was some really good stuff in there. I still love Missy completely. I loved the second to last episode. I don't think there were any episodes I particularly hated (although the last one is probably close), but I didn't really love a lot of them either. I guess I just thought it was an okay season?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on January 09, 2017, 05:59:15 PM
What did you think of "Heaven Sent", "Hell Bent", and "The Husbands of River Song" all in a row like that?  3 of the 4 best Capaldi episodes all crammed together.

It was a really nice 3 weeks for this Whovian.

Now you just gotta see the latest Christmas special and you'll be caught up!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ranadiel on January 09, 2017, 06:37:21 PM
What did you think of "Heaven Sent", "Hell Bent", and "The Husbands of River Song" all in a row like that?  3 of the 4 best Capaldi episodes all crammed together.

It was a really nice 3 weeks for this Whovian.

Now you just gotta see the latest Christmas special and you'll be caught up!
Was not really a fan of Hell Bent, and honestly I feel like the more I think about the episode the more problems I will have with it. I think for me it really just boils down to, I did not like the Capaldi/Clara dynamic. And the episode depends on that dynamic a lot.

Other two were great though.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on April 21, 2017, 02:37:14 PM
Alright, then, how do we feel about Bill, plus Twelve minus Clara?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on May 02, 2017, 09:53:14 AM
So fucking glad Clara is gone. The ending of the last season was a fucking fanwank train wreck.

First two eps of this season were not bad at all, although they felt a little rushed. Last Saturday's was basically a rehash of the Beast Below.

Not very inventive or interesting.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on May 09, 2017, 03:43:35 PM
The ending of the last season was a fucking fanwank train wreck.


Except for Heaven Sent, yes?

Also, how did you like Husbands of River Song?  Or even Return of Doctor Mysterio?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on May 15, 2017, 11:13:00 PM
Eh. Heaven Sent was fine but it's already overhyped to the point where it's becoming a circlejerk.

The two specials were also fine. Fluff, but fun.

This series so far......not bad. Certainly better than last year but I could do with the ham-fisted politics inserted that are about as subtle as Grandia 2.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on May 16, 2017, 03:11:52 PM
Oh. I don't actually know what the DW fanbase hypes or anything.  I just know that, for me, Heaven Sent is right up there with Blink, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead and Flatline for "best episode to show a newbie".
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Lard on June 29, 2017, 01:27:11 AM
So....how about last week's ep? Quite a doozy.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arvis on June 29, 2017, 11:09:29 AM
I haven't been watching, unfortunately.  Once it goes up on Prime, I'll catch up then.