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Title: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 24, 2013, 05:45:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/kO6iLpf.png)

The world is ever changing... For the fifteenth coming.

Director : Hajime Tabata
Producer : Shinji Hashimoto
Artist(s) : Yusuke Naora, Roberto Ferrari, Tomohiro Hasegawa, Isamu Kamikokuryo, Tetsuya Nomura (original concept & main character(s) designer)
Designer(s) : Masanori Sato, Masashi Takizawa, Kenichiro Yuji, Wan Hazmer, Prasert Prasertvithyakarn
Writer(s) : Saori Itamuro (lead scenario designer), Kazushige Nojima (original story concept)
Composer : Yoko Shimomura

Platform(s) : PlayStation 4 / Xbox One
Genre : Action RPG

Official Website(s) : Japan (http://www.jp.square-enix.com/ff15/) / International (http://finalfantasyxv.com/)

Story:

In a matter of days, the Kingdom of Lucis is to sign an armistice, ending a long and bitter conflict with Niflheim. Ahead of the ceremony, Prince Noctis, heir to the Lucian throne, sets forth from his homeland to formalize the union of states through his marriage to the Lady Lunafreya of the imperial province of Tenebrae.

The offer of peace, however, is no more than a ruse to lower the Lucian shield, and the imperial army takes the crown city and its sacred crystal in one fell swoop. En route to his destination, Noctis is shocked to learn that he, his father the king, and his betrothed are believed dead.

Overnight, the dream of peace has faded into a distant memory. His world crumbling around him, Noctis has naught but his resolve and his loyal companions to see him through the trials to come.


(http://i.imgur.com/5vfzYJl.png)

Director : Soichi Masui
Composers : Yasuhisa Inoue, Susumi Akizuki
Studio : A-1 Pictures
Episodes : 6

Full Episodes [Playlist] (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbhHt7tfNMCAKp5X5y1UMg6er-xFUyB3J)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on June 24, 2013, 06:49:04 PM
It suddenly occurs to me that this looks a lot like the game they originally wanted to make FFXIII-1 with the on field battles and stuff.

Other than that observation though, I have to ask, how many more of these FFXVersus threads are there going to be before the game gets released in 20XX?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 24, 2013, 07:07:56 PM
I have to ask, how many more of these FFXVersus threads are there going to be before the game gets released in 20XX?

Well, with the official announcement of XV and SQEX commitment in releasing XV "soon" without holding info for months like before my intention is to make this the thread about Versus/XV.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on June 24, 2013, 07:09:05 PM
With them reiterating that this game will have a world map, the prospects of it being like Kingdom Hearts, and the fact that I definitely like the aesthetic... oh, and a Shimomura soundtrack-- I am very excited for this one.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 24, 2013, 08:35:53 PM
Some info.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/w30ux.png)

Hajime Tabata joins Final Fantasy XV as co-director, PC version undecided (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/hajime-tabata-joins-final-fantasy-xv-as-co-director-pc-version-undecided/)

Nomura dicusses Final Fantasy XV's next generation transition (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/nomura-dicusses-final-fantasy-xvs-next-generation-transition/)

Final Fantasy XV main cast officially detailed, new artwork released (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/final-fantasy-xv-main-cast-officially-detailed-new-artwork-released/)

Final Fantasy XV is a story about recovering the crystal (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/final-fantasy-xv-is-a-story-about-recovering-the-crystal/)

Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Wild Armor on June 24, 2013, 09:04:03 PM
Looks very cool, I can't wait to pla--wait a sec, is that Lucas Lee on the far right???
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on June 24, 2013, 09:13:16 PM
Character Designer(s): Tetsuya Nomura & Roberto Ferrari

...wut?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 24, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
Character Designer(s): Tetsuya Nomura & Roberto Ferrari

...wut?

"Roberto Ferrari moved from Rome to Tokyo in 1995 to fulfil his dream of working as a character design artist in Japan. He was part of the design team at Tatsunoko Production of Gatchaman fame and worked on titles for some of the video game industry's leading companies, including Namco Bandai Games Inc. and Square Enix, such as The Last Remnant, Moon Diver, Song Summoner: The Unsung Heroes – Encore and Death by Degrees." -- blonde bomb (http://blondebombmag.blogspot.com/2012/06/hiring-italian-born-artist-roberto.html)

Also someone on GameFAQs said that he designed 3 characters for Type-0: Caetuna (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Caetuna), Kurasame Susaya (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Kurasame_Susaya) and Khalia Chival VI (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Khalia_Chival_VI).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on June 24, 2013, 09:49:13 PM
I know a bit more about the cycling Ferrari, so I had a double-take on that one.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Raze on June 24, 2013, 09:53:51 PM
 You've got 5 cool guys walkin' there, but they need a explosion to not look at.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on June 24, 2013, 10:48:29 PM
A fantasy based on reality... I'm actually curious as to what reality this is being based off of.  I wonder if there might be some veiled imagery in the announcement trailer (with all the dialogue) pertaining to the New World Order conspiracy theory and all that stuff.  Japan is something of an anomaly in the world, like it's a country doing its own thing totally different from the rest of the world (and is probably one of the most resistant countries to the New World Order).  So it almost has that objective outsider perspective, kinda like how a lot of religious themes are handled in Shin Megami Tensei or Xenogears or something.

That, and I do like RPGs that utilize modern/post-modern settings (hence why I enjoyed FF8 a lot) and I'm curious about XV's setting. 

Color me intrigued. 

Oh, and a Shimomura soundtrack interests me as well.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 24, 2013, 11:49:58 PM
@Dincrest: The theme of XV is 'Bonds' and they said that the core of the story take itself quite seriously but there is still humor to keep things balanced.

That said, as someone who has followed Versus/XV for years I think you're reading too much into this considering that Kazushige Nojima is the writer for XV and he usually focuses more on the relationship of the characters more than anything else but we'll see once it comes out.

Also more info is assumed to be shared at TGS.

#pleasebeexcited
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on June 24, 2013, 11:50:46 PM
Well, I've already seen people claiming that there are similarities between the cityscape seen in the trailers to real world Shinjuku.  See here (http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-xv-could-be-set-in-tokyo-japan-256088.phtml).

I don't know, part of me things that sounds like a stretch but I don't really know these locals well enough to comment.  But it doesn't seem to be as simple as they set the game in Tokyo or something.  More like a parallel world or two overlapping worlds or something...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on June 25, 2013, 12:32:17 AM
Well, I've already seen people claiming that there are similarities between the cityscape seen in the trailers to real world Shinjuku.  See here (http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-xv-could-be-set-in-tokyo-japan-256088.phtml).

I don't know, part of me things that sounds like a stretch but I don't really know these locals well enough to comment.  But it doesn't seem to be as simple as they set the game in Tokyo or something.  More like a parallel world or two overlapping worlds or something...

Nope. Its official. We're going to be playing as a band of magical girls boys. Expect to see Godzilla Leviathan wrecking Tokyo Tower.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Hathen on June 25, 2013, 12:41:58 AM
A fantasy based on reality... I'm actually curious as to what reality this is being based off of.

Probably the same reality developers live in with giant enemy crabs.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Fadedsun on June 25, 2013, 01:00:22 AM
Yoko Shimomura on composer duty? This is going to be grand.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on June 25, 2013, 01:27:53 AM
A fantasy based on reality... I'm actually curious as to what reality this is being based off of.

Probably the same reality developers live in with giant enemy crabs.

Giant enemy crabs are real!  What do you know, were you around in ancient Japan?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on June 25, 2013, 02:39:42 AM
sausage fest confirmed. no buy.

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18rtoli87rkssjpg/ku-medium.jpg)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 25, 2013, 03:29:55 AM
@Alisha:

(http://media1.giphy.com/media/27chqih1wBCXC/original.gif)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Hathen on June 25, 2013, 06:42:31 AM
She'll end up buying it anyway, maybe at a reduced price, but she'll buy it. She's just trying to get a rise out of everyone. I'm curious though, would you rather they shove in a token female character(s) just to appease the lowest common denominator of bra-burning feminists (who don't actually buy video games)?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on June 25, 2013, 10:37:21 AM
feminists

You'd think a game with no women would be the safest way not to objectify them...
Sounds like a damned if we do, damned if we don't.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Hathen on June 25, 2013, 02:47:42 PM
This isn't really a case of objectification or not (That's never really been a complaint from Alisha, she at least knows what she likes, which is usually hardass asskicking females like Lightning), she's just displeased there's no woman asskicking in the party like there usually is. I can understand being disappointed or displeased with something like that, but having a token female character just for the sake of a girl in the team is something that should be restricted to Saturday Morning Rangers Hyper Squad shows.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 25, 2013, 03:13:33 PM
You'd think a game with no women would be the safest way not to objectify them...
Sounds like a damned if we do, damned if we don't.

People is always going to tell the world in how many ways he or she is offended by who knows how many reasons. With the massification of the Internet this flow of "junk information" is most of the time always there for everybody to read and/or see which give even more people a reason to be offended about stuff that they never thought to be annoyed with, even though they are totally being blinded by the way one person sees the world through its own perception and not its own.

Also. The "complaint" of the male leads is a conscious decision made by the team and the Producer Shinji Hashimoto already hear about some of those complaints at E3 and he said that the feedback is going to be passed to the team. Don't expect seeing massive changes to XV at this point though because:

・SQEX always does its own thing.

・The audience for FF is all over the goddamn the place and we know that pleasing everybody aside from being an impossible task is also very stupid because the vision for many games has been lost over the years in an effort to please the masses that don't know shit about the project in the first place.

#pleasebeexcited
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on June 25, 2013, 03:42:23 PM
Personally, I would hope that the reason we won't see any massive changes is that the game is already far enough along in development that going back and adding a bunch of new characters wouldn't really make sense.  But maybe I'm just being optimistic...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on June 25, 2013, 04:02:42 PM
I could see if a Kingdom Hearts thing happens.   Maybe one playable character in the first title (quite frankly, with Noctis' wheel-of-swords thing, would you want to play as someone else?  The emphasis seems to be on him -- but also, I'm not in the loop for news about this if they've said you can play as the rest of his merry gang), and in FF15-2 and 2-2 and 2-3 we can play as an expanded roster.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on June 25, 2013, 04:51:22 PM
The emphasis seems to be on him -- but also, I'm not in the loop for news about this if they've said you can play as the rest of his merry gang), and in FF15-2 and 2-2 and 2-3 we can play as an expanded roster.

Why not chapters like in Yakuza 4? I don't want to wait 4 games to play the guy I think looks cool.
With SE, 4 games might make me wait 24 years.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: (Tunnels) on June 25, 2013, 05:02:17 PM
Is this really the whole party roster though? Or are they just the initial main characters? If it isn't confirmed that these five are it, and feel free to correct to me if so, I'm going to take a wild stab and say more characters will join you later in the game.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 25, 2013, 05:31:17 PM
Is this really the whole party roster though?

Yes.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on June 25, 2013, 05:44:14 PM
There could always be a 'visitor' spot like FFXII though.
That was pretty neat actually. Felt awesome to have an extra character... kinda like approved cheating.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on June 25, 2013, 06:36:28 PM
I have to admit that this will be the first Final Fantasy that I may not end up buying, and it's mostly because of those characters. Not because they're all male, but because there's just something... boring about that group. Most of the characters in FFXIII even had some sort of exaggeration that made them feel more interesting. These are all just a bunch of pseudo-Japanese dudes in leather.

I'll wait to pass judgement obviously until we actually know a lot more about the game and characters, but right now this is certainly not a "Shut up and take my money" game.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 25, 2013, 07:08:30 PM
@Klutz64: There is plenty (or rather enough) info out there already to decide if you are into the Final Fantasy XV train or not.

Not to mention that after a while a bunch of info is gonna be spoilers and details about the mechanics and systems. Dunno what they have planned for TGS though.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on June 25, 2013, 07:09:44 PM
I just wish they didn't all looks so douchey...

But I've given up on getting good characters from S-E since long ago.  What I mainly care about is the gameplay.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: pseudonym on June 25, 2013, 07:36:32 PM
@Dincrest: The theme of XV is 'Bonds' and they said that the core of the story take itself quite seriously but there is still humor to keep things balanced.

That said, as someone who has followed Versus/XV for years I think you're reading too much into this considering that Kazushige Nojima is the writer for XV and he usually focuses more on the relationship of the characters more than anything else but we'll see once it comes out.

Also more info is assumed to be shared at TGS.

#pleasebeexcited

Eh. I'm excited about this FF but seeing how Nojima writes leaves me a little leery that the story will be about bromance and the adventure therein.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 25, 2013, 08:08:23 PM
^The story itself can be briefly summarized as "recover the crystal of Noctis' kingdom" but ignoring the details that the story might have the tone of some of the scenes I have seen reminds a lot of Final Fantasy VIII, Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts, which is not weird at all given how Nojima is the writer and Nomura is the director but I'm curious about the contribution of Hajime Tabata in XV.

I just wish they didn't all looks so douchey...

But I've given up on getting good characters from S-E since long ago.

Douchey? I can believe you that from the main character in inFamous: Second Son but in XV they don't look douchey at all to me, but then again, that enters into personal preference territory.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on June 25, 2013, 09:22:43 PM
^The story itself can be briefly summarized as "recover the crystal of Noctis' kingdom" but ignoring the details that the story might have the tone of some of the scenes I have seen reminds a lot of Final Fantasy VIII, Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts, which is not weird at all given how Nojima is the writer and Nomura is the director but I'm curious about the contribution of Hajime Tabata in XV.

I just wish they didn't all looks so douchey...

But I've given up on getting good characters from S-E since long ago.

Douchey? I can believe you that from the main character in inFamous: Second Son but in XV they don't look douchey at all to me, but then again, that enters into personal preference territory.


Given the fact that inFamous is all about being a super powered douche, it makes sense that the main character would look the part.

What this feels like though is a variant on Romeo and Juliet except the story is focused on Romeo's bros instead of that Juliet hoe (not that there won't be a Juliet for our boy Romeo to woodenly stare off into the distance in the general direction at, but that the focus will most likely be on the plucky boy band trying to stop the latest villain from reaching godhood powerlevels via the power of their friendship/bromance and asspulling a shitload of swords).

Actually, assuming that this game will feature a third kingdom, we might as well start calling it FFXVersus: Bromance of the Three Kingdoms.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 25, 2013, 09:45:08 PM
^There is that whole part that has been teased in where Noctis and Stella (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Stella_Nox_Fleuret) have to fight against each other even though they don't want to.

Additional info (from FF Wiki (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XV#Characters)):

"A woman with golden-blonde hair named Stella Nox Fleuret was revealed to be one of the game's antagonists. She is said to be the daughter of the Fleuret family of the country Tenebrae (Latin for "Darkness"). Fleuret is the French name of the fencing foil, a direct reference to Stella's weapon of choice, a Rapier. Like Noctis, she is able to materialize weapons from thin air, as she is can summon her rapier from a rune similar to one used by Noctis to summon his sword, though Stella's rune is golden while Noctis's is blue. Although they have no desire to fight, she and Noctis are forced to by unknown circumstances. Magazine articles have drawn similarities between her situation and that of Final Fantasy VI's Celes Chere."
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: insertnamehere on June 25, 2013, 09:54:30 PM
Will real world logic and common sense apply in this game?
I hear it didn't in 13.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on June 25, 2013, 10:16:44 PM
I am pleased by almost everything I've seen from this game. I don't love the character designs, but I also don't care. LOL
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on June 25, 2013, 10:49:46 PM
"This is a fantasy based on reality."

As far as I know, there are no giant Leviathans ruling the seas and large purple Behemoths living in cathedrals.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on June 25, 2013, 10:57:19 PM
"This is a fantasy based on reality."

As far as I know, there are no giant Leviathans ruling the seas and large purple Behemoths living in cathedrals.

Sure, not anymore...the giant enemy crabs got them.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Jotacon on June 25, 2013, 11:38:21 PM
"This is a fantasy based on reality."

As far as I know, there are no giant Leviathans ruling the seas and large purple Behemoths living in cathedrals.
Clearly you are no church-going sailor.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: ZshadeZ on June 25, 2013, 11:39:38 PM
"This is a fantasy based on reality."

As far as I know, there are no giant Leviathans ruling the seas and large purple Behemoths living in cathedrals.

You clearly haven't traveled much. I had to get past a Kraken just to get home from work today.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on June 26, 2013, 12:16:27 AM
"This is a fantasy based on reality."

As far as I know, there are no giant Leviathans ruling the seas and large purple Behemoths living in cathedrals.

You clearly haven't traveled much. I had to get past a Kraken just to get home from work today.
This is soooooo EarthBound material.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on June 26, 2013, 02:09:12 AM
"This is a fantasy based on reality."

As far as I know, there are no giant Leviathans ruling the seas and large purple Behemoths living in cathedrals.

Right. And next you're going to tell us that there are no such things as Mahou Shonens flying around, pulling swords out of their hammerspace, and fighting on for great justice and everlasting peace?


^There is that whole part that has been teased in where Noctis and Stella (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Stella_Nox_Fleuret) have to fight against each other even though they don't want to.

Additional info (from FF Wiki (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XV#Characters)):

"A woman with golden-blonde hair named Stella Nox Fleuret was revealed to be one of the game's antagonists. She is said to be the daughter of the Fleuret family of the country Tenebrae (Latin for "Darkness"). Fleuret is the French name of the fencing foil, a direct reference to Stella's weapon of choice, a Rapier. Like Noctis, she is able to materialize weapons from thin air, as she is can summon her rapier from a rune similar to one used by Noctis to summon his sword, though Stella's rune is golden while Noctis's is blue. Although they have no desire to fight, she and Noctis are forced to by unknown circumstances. Magazine articles have drawn similarities between her situation and that of Final Fantasy VI's Celes Chere."

So its confirmed that there is a female in this game and that she will fight you and your boyband for reasons that they do not wish to elaborate upon at this time but will likely be because you chose to take bros before hoes on your magical swordical adventure based on reality.

But I guess we at least know she'll be like Celes in that she's blonde, a woman, and can use a rapier drawn from a runice. But will she also start the game in bondage and getting punched? Will her (mostly) exclusive in-party ability mostly suck? Will she be an on-again/off-again traitor to the party/bad guys? Will she get pissy during the 1/3rd mark and ruin an otherwise romantic night fight you/ruin an otherwise romantic night? Will she fight you at the half way point instead of stabbing the mad clown trying to destroy the world less than five tiles away from the lead of your incapacitated party? Or will the second half of the game start wi-ahahahahahaha....no (what was I thinking putting as much on that as I did down?).

I suppose the answers will come eventually.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on June 26, 2013, 02:36:06 AM
I'd like to think the all-male cast was a conscious decision based on what would be the best way to tell the story (what's the FF series without a few of its stronger leading female?).  Here's a weird example of what I mean: but think HBO's Entourage if it had a female amongst the recurring and main cast ---  it just wouldn't work.  I'm hoping as compensation too, we get a great supporting cast of ladies then.

Also, y'all can complain all ya like, but Cor Leonis is a perfect looking man I'd want to do things with (hcus n aet knird).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 26, 2013, 02:41:02 AM
@Dice: It is a conscious decision.

I'm ready for the bromance.

Will real world logic and common sense apply in this game?
I hear it didn't in 13.

Nah. The reaction that a lot of fans had with XIII back in 2009/'10 was "I'm too old for this shit" and then stuff happened on the Internet.

I am pleased by almost everything I've seen from this game. I don't love the character designs, but I also don't care. LOL

On that note I'm actually not excited about Yoko working on the soundtrack even though I do know that it will have more than one track I'll be hearing for years to come. I think that's what people call "ambivalence".

"This is a fantasy based on reality."

As far as I know, there are no giant Leviathans ruling the seas and large purple Behemoths living in cathedrals.

"Let's take the tagline of XV in the most literal way possible and make a joke about it."
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on June 26, 2013, 09:24:53 AM
(hcus n aet knird).

Is that an anagram for "drink each nuts" ?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 26, 2013, 11:47:27 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2afy2hd.jpg)

Final Fantasy Versus XIII's story remains intact in Final Fantasy XV (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/final-fantasy-versus-xiiis-story-remains-intact-in-final-fantasy-xv/)

Nomura: More female Final Fantasy XV characters to be revealed in the future (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/06/nomura-more-female-final-fantasy-xv-characters-to-be-revealed-in-the-future/)

Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: (Tunnels) on June 26, 2013, 07:24:19 PM
I'd like to think the all-male cast was a conscious decision based on what would be the best way to tell the story (what's the FF series without a few of its stronger leading female?).  Here's a weird example of what I mean: but think HBO's Entourage if it had a female amongst the recurring and main cast ---  it just wouldn't work.  I'm hoping as compensation too, we get a great supporting cast of ladies then.

Also, y'all can complain all ya like, but Cor Leonis is a perfect looking man I'd want to do things with (hcus n aet knird).

I really like Cor Leonis's design, as well as Gladiolus's. At first I didn't care for the character designs, but the more I thought about, the more I grew to appreciate them. What I like most about the designs is that these dudes look like they can handle themselves, which is more than I can see for a lot of other JRPG character designs.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 28, 2013, 12:25:09 AM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/nz0thu.png)

"Nomura says that in the current generation of gaming, many say that Japanese game development has fallen behind the West. He would like to use Final Fantasy XV as proof that this will not happen again in the next generation of consoles." -- Source: Final Fantasy FXN Network (http://www.finalfantasy-fxn.net/index.php?page=news&p=more&id=1943)

FINAL FANTASY XV: Big Interview Summary (bonus Kingdom Hearts III info by Dengeki PlayStation) (http://gematsu.com/2013/06/final-fantasy-xv-the-big-interview-summary) -- Source: Gematsu
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on June 28, 2013, 12:47:51 AM
I'd like to think the all-male cast was a conscious decision based on what would be the best way to tell the story (what's the FF series without a few of its stronger leading female?).  Here's a weird example of what I mean: but think HBO's Entourage if it had a female amongst the recurring and main cast ---  it just wouldn't work.  I'm hoping as compensation too, we get a great supporting cast of ladies then.

Also, y'all can complain all ya like, but Cor Leonis is a perfect looking man I'd want to do things with (hcus n aet knird).

I really like Cor Leonis's design, as well as Gladiolus's. At first I didn't care for the character designs, but the more I thought about, the more I grew to appreciate them. What I like most about the designs is that these dudes look like they can handle themselves, which is more than I can see for a lot of other JRPG character designs.

100%!! ^

Tidus was a damn wimp, Vaan is one big vagina compared to the ladies in that game, and Snow was all talk (which makes me sad, because design-wise, I wanted to do naughty things to snow who reminded me of...i dunno, my days pining for a badass rockstar boyfriend).

And this whole issue with only guys, people forget that the past 13 titles have always had their share of important females to the cast.  Obviously, for whatever reason, they need a bromance to tell the story and I'm sure they'll balance it out with strong females in there too.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 28, 2013, 01:24:10 PM
Tidus was a damn wimp

Is justifiable why Tidus is the way it is in X. He grows later in the story and despite all the shit he goes through he does what he can in a world that he doesn't know very well at the time.

Vaan is one big vagina

Never had the chance to get in XII so I can't say much.

Snow was all talk

Even Hope said that at one point.

Snow always tried his best to protect the ones he cared the most even though he's hot-headed and put himself at risk to save others at least Snow has the quality that he put has he says in practice.

Too bad that Etro (unintentionally) and Caius fucked up everything for everyone... but the story in XIII is like that, you never fully accomplish what you set out to do by your hand only. LR might change that though, but we'll see.

And this whole issue with only guys, people forget that the past 13 titles have always had their share of important females to the cast.  Obviously, for whatever reason, they need a bromance to tell the story and I'm sure they'll balance it out with strong females in there too.

I honestly see no "issue" here, at best I've just seen some people crying over how they not gonna get any kind of fanservice for them.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 28, 2013, 02:06:45 PM
Have there been any openly gay characters in FF before? I wasn't really sure about those two australian chicks in FF13.

MMO cybering doesn't count.

Also, we should start a betting pool on FFXV's plot points. Anyone interested?

I'll throw in:
>Focus shifts from small adventure to saving the world
>True antagonist doesn't show up until third act
>Final boss ends up being some sort of god-like being
>Some plot point about amnesia/messed up memory
>Comic relief character does something to help save the day
>Main party gets their hands on the last crystal at some point, but it gets stolen from them somehow.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Starmongoose on June 28, 2013, 02:16:39 PM
Do the rapist body builders from FF7 count?

EDIT: Thinking about it, there are very few openly gay characters in JRPGs that aren't portrayed as pervert pedophile rapists.

There was Jun in Persona 2. And....that's all I got.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on June 28, 2013, 03:05:19 PM
Tidus was a damn wimp

Is justifiable why Tidus is the way it is in X. He grows later in the story and despite all the shit he goes through he does what he can in a world that he doesn't know very well at the time.

Vaan is one big vagina

Never had the chance to get in XII so I can't say much.

Snow was all talk

Even Hope said that at one point.

Snow always tried his best to protect the ones he cared the most even though he's hot-headed and put himself at risk to save others at least Snow has the quality that he put has he says in practice.

Too bad that Etro (unintentionally) and Caius fucked up everything for everyone... but the story in XIII is like that, you never fully accomplish what you set out to do by your hand only. LR might change that though, but we'll see.

And this whole issue with only guys, people forget that the past 13 titles have always had their share of important females to the cast.  Obviously, for whatever reason, they need a bromance to tell the story and I'm sure they'll balance it out with strong females in there too.

I honestly see no "issue" here, at best I've just seen some people crying over how they not gonna get any kind of fanservice for them.

Tidus's problem has more to do with the fact that he keeps trying to tell his story over Yuna's, which to be fair, is justifiable given that he's the one telling the story, except that the story eventually does become more about him than Yuna with what's going on with the Fayth and Jecht. FFX-2 doesn't help anybody involved though (except for maybe Wakka and Lulu but that's it), but especially Tidus who's kinda more represented by not-Tidus who's a walking leaking vagina (seriously, his entire plan to death metal prop the world into oblivion is motivated solely by the fact that he got cockblocked a thousand years ago and now he's a vengeful ghost (but given the amount of still living ghosts in the first game, even the vengeful ghost angle falls flat on its face)).

Vaan's problem was that he was just as much spray painted into the party as his abs were on him, and Penelo just made everything worse since she had no character beyond being Vaan's childhood friend and kidnap bait (that one time she actually matters to the plot). His only real contributions is mostly being there, wanting to become a sky pirate, and having his own force ghost relative con him into turning to the dark side of the neithicite in parallel with Ashe's force ghost.

Snow's big problem is that FFXIII-1 wanted to invoke FFVI's early game with its own early game but left Snow in cutscene land for the first quarter of the game rather then having him go off on his own like the guy who inspired him did. Moreover, the only time we really see Snow fail at being the hero is at the very start when his operation Nora falls apart, but given the situation and the fact that everything that happens to the party afterwords is due to the powers that be rather than anything done by either the players or the characters you never really see him or anybody else do anything grievously stupid. And by the end Snow's character development is probably the most implied versus seen of them all as he's still a boisterous hero who can't get anything done except getting way in over his head and somehow managing to luck out of it afterwords (except now the implication is that he somehow succeeded as a hero rather than fail at being one). Then FFXIII-2 happens and he's now the guy who shows up to say "See player, you do get to play as one of the OG crew from the first game." for all of exactly one stage and only during its relevance to the plot. Beyond that (and his upgrade to Sabertooth) he only gets an ending to show up on his bitchin' cool time traveling hover motorcycle made of twin lesbian transformers and asks Serah-chan to ditch this loser (Noel Christ) and go on a super dimensional time traveling adventure with him instead, and she makes the only choice possible (bye bye Noel Christ, have fun fighting a Gary Stu, breaking the universe, and killing me without me). And now for FFXIII-3, Snow's turned evil apparently.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on June 28, 2013, 03:11:19 PM
Kanji?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 28, 2013, 03:13:08 PM
@Starmongoose: There is a gay dude on Enchanted Arms, right?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Darilon on June 28, 2013, 03:26:09 PM
Also, we should start a betting pool on FFXV's plot points. Anyone interested?

I'll throw in:
>Focus shifts from small adventure to saving the world
>True antagonist doesn't show up until third act
>Final boss ends up being some sort of god-like being
>Some plot point about amnesia/messed up memory
>Comic relief character does something to help save the day
>Main party gets their hands on the last crystal at some point, but it gets stolen from them somehow.

There will be a betrayal
Noctis father will kick the bucket
Both nations will be almost destroyed by the true threat
There will be some type of peace talk between the two countries
Noctis mother will be of unknown origin and important to the plot.
Main party gets captured by the enemy
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Starmongoose on June 28, 2013, 03:26:41 PM
Kanji?

He isn't gay though, and certainly not open if he is. (Which he isn't).

@Starmongoose: There is a gay dude on Enchanted Arms, right?

Oh yeah...the giant walking stereotype. :P
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 28, 2013, 04:24:50 PM
Also, we should start a betting pool on FFXV's plot points. Anyone interested?

I'll throw in:
>Focus shifts from small adventure to saving the world
>True antagonist doesn't show up until third act
>Final boss ends up being some sort of god-like being
>Some plot point about amnesia/messed up memory
>Comic relief character does something to help save the day
>Main party gets their hands on the last crystal at some point, but it gets stolen from them somehow.

There will be a betrayal
Noctis father will kick the bucket
Both nations will be almost destroyed by the true threat
There will be some type of peace talk between the two countries
Noctis mother will be of unknown origin and important to the plot.
Main party gets captured by the enemy

These are all fucking excellent.

Also:
One of the party members dies.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on June 28, 2013, 04:33:26 PM
Kanji wasn't gay.  He was just called stuff like "gay" or "faggot" at an impressionable age because he liked sewing, which is a traditionally feminine activity.  And he questions his masculinity because all the other kids at school emasculated him for not being a "man's man."  Hell, I was called "gay" and "faggot" growing up because I didn't really like playing football or watching sports and was more into pretend play.  I preferred playing with girls (boys were too competitive and I always lost), but would often just play by myself because I didn't want to be labeled "fag wuss girl" but I didn't want to play with the boys either.  That's partially why he overcompensates by being a tough guy, because it's "faggy" for a guy to be sensitive.  

I think this is Kanji's theme song.  It's a song that helped me a lot through high school when I was called all that emasculating garbage (by both boys AND girls).   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D891v5YiJU

And I do recall that one guy in Enchanted Arms being openly gay.  

I saw Tidus' being kinda wussy because he was a privileged sports star/athlete.  I'm sure he was used to being a star and having people do stuff for him.  Then he immediately had to go to being a nobody who had to do for himself, realized he couldn't, and his "superstar" ego goes back into "hey, look at me!" mode.  Annoying?  Yes.  Believable?  Yes.  Especially since we see so many young people these days who are entitled pieces of scum.  

And I remember a LONG time ago (maybe 1999 or 2000) when a VERY old poster named beans wrote an extensive editorial suggesting that Cloud was gay, or at least bi.  He seemed to take it when the bodybuilders molested him in the tub, and when he encounters him at the resort town, it's all civil and not awkward at all.  I wouldn't want to say hi to a man who molested me.  Dressing up as a girl is one thing (I have fun dressing up as a girl on Halloween), but he gladly went to all the trouble of going so far as to get sexy perfumed lingerie too.  He was emotionally distant toward toward Aeris and Tifa, but showed emotion during Barret's dark moments (bros before hos maybe?).  Heck, Cloud could even go on a date with Barret.  And when he's on the date with Yuffie, she kisses him on the lips in the gondola and he's completely catatonic.  I figure the average guy would reciprocate and be naked with her in no time.  Maybe he'd have rather been with Barret then?  I'm sure Cloud cared deeply for Aeris and Tifa (considering the whole secret childhood crush thing) so I'm sure he likes girls, but I think he kinda swings both ways.  

It wasn't uncommon for noble stoic samurai to swing both ways, so why not a JRPG hero?  

Oh, and the piano teacher in Phantasy Star 2 was gay.  It was just censored out in the US version.  In the Japanese version he'd give cheaper piano lessons to guys he thought were cute, but in the US version he'd give guys discount rates because he thought men were smarter.  So what's worse?  A gay piano teacher or a sexist one?  I'll take gay over sexist any day.  
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on June 28, 2013, 04:47:04 PM
Personally I view Kanji as bisexual.
The fact he's not that against dating Naoto as a guy or girl makes me think he'd go for a person he loves, whichever sex they'd be.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on June 28, 2013, 10:02:10 PM
Also, we should start a betting pool on FFXV's plot points. Anyone interested?

I'll throw in:
>Focus shifts from small adventure to saving the world
>True antagonist doesn't show up until third act
>Final boss ends up being some sort of god-like being
>Some plot point about amnesia/messed up memory
>Comic relief character does something to help save the day
>Main party gets their hands on the last crystal at some point, but it gets stolen from them somehow.

There will be a betrayal
Noctis father will kick the bucket
Both nations will be almost destroyed by the true threat
There will be some type of peace talk between the two countries
Noctis mother will be of unknown origin and important to the plot.
Main party gets captured by the enemy

These are all fucking excellent.

Also:
One of the party members dies.


In addition to those...

There will be a persistent rival to Noctis.
You wont get the game's airship until you've nearly fully explored the map.
There will be a reference to characters from earlier games like FFs IV, VI, VII, VIII, X, and XIII.
There will be a super boss near the end that's far more difficult to fight than even the final boss in his final form.
The best weapon in the game will be awarded to anyone who can beat said super boss.
Until the DLC hits and there's even more super/gimmicky bosses that'll reward you with even better weapons/equipment.
There will be a DLC with an alternate ending that's basically almost exactly the same as the game's actual ending but with an extra couple of frames added to it.
The extra ending will cheapen whatever standard ending went with and will set up a sequel.
There will also be obnoxious minigames.
And the best non superboss gear must be looted from stupidly rare drops from stupidly rare enemies hidden in massively obscure locations.
There will also be a piece of top tier gear that can only be obtained if you never open certain, unmarked chests scattered about throughout the game and if you make it to the pedestal right before the final boss chamber in under 10 hours.


Oh, and the piano teacher in Phantasy Star 2 was gay.  It was just censored out in the US version.  In the Japanese version he'd give cheaper piano lessons to guys he thought were cute, but in the US version he'd give guys discount rates because he thought men were smarter.  So what's worse?  A gay piano teacher or a sexist one?  I'll take gay over sexist any day.  


There's the PC JRPG series Lightning Warrior Raidy that's got an openly gay protagonist. Of course they're PC games made in Japan so obviously its entirely FTP.

Comedy option aside and despite the white washing for the US release, Fire Emblem 10's Heather was pretty openly gay for the girls (even in the US version the subtext is still there, just not as explicit). And while there were other characters in the series that were implied to be interested in the same sex (namely Raven X Lucius and Lyn X Florina; both from the first western FE) none have been open or explicit about it.

There's also the Summon Night SCS games but that's more due to laziness on the writers part since both games were written for a male lead first and added a female lead with a handwave to the fanservice directed at the male lead.

There's also the occasional gay character in an Super Robot Wars game. But all of those stem from the source material rather than from the games themselves, and none of the original characters are openly gay for each other (although a case can be made for Sanger X Rastel and Latooni X Shine but you'd need your shipping glasses on for those) Ibis and one of her copilots are fairly open about their relationship (but I forget which one and just how open the relationship was). On the plus side Ibis is one of the OG leads for the Alpha series, so there's one openly gay JRPG lead in a not porn game (provided I'm recalling correctly). There's also at least one or more gay original antagonist in the series but unfortunately the series villains are pretty much walking lumps of villainous stereotypes which doesn't help matters in the least.

And speaking of the SRW games there's also the Queen's Blade/Gate games from the same studio that probably has a gay character or two in there or somewhere (amongst pretty much every other conceivable fantasy fetish out there that the entire QB cast represents and is almost entirely FTP as well). The QG characters are decidedly less fetish fuel but a) there aren't any openly gay characters (although a few get really fucking close) and b) just like with the non OG SRW characters above, they're simply bringing what's already been established elsewhere to the table.

And finally Chrono Trigger's Flea, but that's more transgendered rather than straight gay.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on June 28, 2013, 10:17:35 PM
i think kanji is androgyne-this is when internally you are both genders at the same time wich explains why he liked naoto who is likely also androgyne heck you could make a case for yukiko and chie too.

now im gonna say this. FF XV already started off on a bad foot for me because i cannot stand its fans that have been pissing and moaning for versus since FF XIII came out. also im not a fan of kingdom hearts wich this game looks a lot like. so potentially having no females in the main cast is like strike 3. its rare that i connect with or like male characters in rpg's so noctis would have to be the second coming of vyse or ryudo wich i highly doubt is the case.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Starmongoose on June 28, 2013, 10:33:33 PM
There's nothing androgynous about Kanji. He is a man who likes feminine past times and got treated like shit because of it, so he hides it and acts hyper masculine. Naoto is a crossdresser, but not because she has a desire in the way transvestites do, it's because she is afraid people won't take her as seriously as all the male detectives she admired as a child, it's more of a commentary on a male dominated environment than it is about crossdressing.

And Chie and Yukiko? Based on I suppose the part where Yukiko calls Chie her "Prince"? Is a metaphor that hard to grasp. Chie acts like Yukiko's champion, her defender and White Knight in real life, but that's only from Yukiko's perspective. She never saw the truth about Chie's inferiority complex, as long as Yukiko is insecure and in need of saving, Chie is always one rung up from Yukiko. It's hardly romantic.

EDIT: This'll be my last word on the topic since the topic is getting a bit derailed. But the idea that Kanji is at least bi because he was attracted to Naoto when he thought he was a boy isn't true. He is clearly confused and doesn't understand what is going on when he has a crush on Naoto when they first meet. "But he's a guy...and I'm a guy...". This is new to him, he's drawn to her but he can't understand why. Naoto doesn't particularly look like a man, it's just her clothes and the voice she puts on. Does a straight man find it impossible to be attracted to a woman if she puts on male-styled clothing for a day? I don't think so, there is more to sexuality than what clothes they are wearing. The shape of a body, the face, pheromones and subtle tells the unconscious mind picks up all take part.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 28, 2013, 10:34:34 PM

There's the PC JRPG series Lightning Warrior Raidy that's got an openly gay protagonist. Of course they're PC games made in Japan so obviously its entirely FTP.

Only because its a game based on lesbian fucking hentai.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Ashton on June 29, 2013, 01:33:23 AM
Don't forget that Kanji was also treated like crap by women which basically scared him off of female contact. He's confused about what he wants because he clearly hates how girls have acted towards him in the past and now he felt attraction towards someone he thought was a man, which is why he started believing himself to be possibly gay.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on June 29, 2013, 06:52:46 AM
+1 on what Mongoosey's been saying.

With Kanji, he feels like he's not man enough to be one of the guys while simultaneously not feeling/being man enough to get girls.  I've said this before but I relate a lot to his identity struggles from my own growing up.  Hits home in some ways.  And the difficult part of his conflict of not being gay but everyone thinking you are and browbeating you by labeling you a faggot.  And thinking, "man, life would be so much easier and make more sense if I really WAS gay."  

Like he says, it's nothing to do with guys or chicks.  He's scared to death of rejection.  And he was rejected by both because he wasn't "man" enough.  

My friend Seth wrote a song about that and evolved it into a webisode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_8Si3endsA (webisode)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j48XjInBd7U (song)

EDIT:  So back to Final Fantasy XV... I'm with Dice in that I like the design of the guys.  They wear believable clothing and look like they can handle themselves.  They're nice looking, but not frail little bishies.  Me likey.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 29, 2013, 01:35:25 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the outfits this time around. They feel like a very obvious mashup between modern monochrome fashion designers (Rick, Ann D, Julius, Silent, etc) and trendy Japanese fashion. It's all much better than FF13, but still feels derivative.

It might suit the settings of the game well though, especially if they never take to the great outdoors. Final Fantasy has always introduced characters in cool outfits that fit their initial setting but it doesn't really make sense when they start exploring forests or the arctic in their skivvies.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klyde Chroma on June 29, 2013, 10:44:52 PM
I normally avoid even looking into or at game trailers and previews of things I know I'm going to play... I like it to be a surprise. But I could not contain my curious nature as I watched this thread flourish since E3 and gave in.

First I would just like to say that this game looks freakin' stellar to me thus far. Seriously excited, I am... Excited in the way I was when I first saw a chrono trigger add and thought it was a secret of mana sequel!!LoL

But while we are talking outfits and aesthetics and sexuality...
(http://i.imgur.com/ijCrSdS.png)
This guy has the most gorgeous features I've ever seen in a male character profile/status pic. Seriously, I might be a heterosexual man but I call like I see it and this guy is "Gavin Rossdale" beautiful in my book. End of discussion.





Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 30, 2013, 02:34:41 PM
"The Computer Entertainment Supplier's Association has confirmed that Square-Enix will attend this year's big show among 181 other game companies!

Since it's a renowned show, it's safe to assume that fan-favorites such as Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XV, and Kingdom Hearts III will all show up.

The 2013 Tokyo Game Show is scheduled for September 19-22, 2013. It will be open to the general public on September 21-22, 2013."
-- Source: Final Fantasy FXN Network (http://www.finalfantasy-fxn.net/index.php?page=article&article=Square-Enix-Confirmed-to-Attend-Tokyo-Game-Show-2013--1950)

Nomura expects Noctis to be more clever than Cloud (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/nomura-dicusses-final-fantasy-xv-character-design-decisions-more/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

"Having been apart of the company since the Squaresoft days, it's no secret that Nomura has created a good portion of the characters fans have come to know and love. Naturally Nomura has a known favorite in the form of Sora from Kingdom Hearts, but is already priming his next creation for the spotlight. "Also there is Noctis, he hasn't been in front of you, I mean moving, etc. yet in a real gameplay but he will soon, in the future," said Nomura. "Do you know the name Sora mean the "sky," in Japanese and Noctis, his family name is Caelum which mean sky as well so basically, Noctis mean "night sky," so they are kind of complete opposites to each other. There is a reason why I named these characters as opposites. Noctis is kind of like my latest boy, or latest son and I expect him to be more clever than Cloud."
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on July 08, 2013, 02:26:16 PM
Then
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100416231340/finalfantasy/images/3/35/Stella-portrait.jpg)

And Now (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130611202031/finalfantasy/images/8/86/StellaXVPortrait.png).

Is it just me or did her face lose its proper proportions in favor of bigger anime eyes and iris'?
Lost some sexy for bein' all adorbz.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 08, 2013, 04:16:14 PM
^They only make her more kawaii but her character hasn't changed.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Akanbe- on July 08, 2013, 04:39:59 PM
Then
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100416231340/finalfantasy/images/3/35/Stella-portrait.jpg)

And Now (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130611202031/finalfantasy/images/8/86/StellaXVPortrait.png).

Is it just me or did her face lose its proper proportions in favor of bigger anime eyes and iris'?
Lost some sexy for bein' all adorbz.

If you zoom out a couple times on the picture you linked so the face size is similiar, it's not too bad.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on July 08, 2013, 05:09:44 PM
They also seemed to have given her a rounder face.

I guess she needs it to compete for Noctis against the rest of his bro band.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on July 08, 2013, 05:15:54 PM
I still got beef with making the iris' gigantic to make them cuter or whatever, she's barely got eye whites now.  And I dunno, I kinda preferred the slightly sexier version (she had fuller lips and more foxy eyes), now she looks more like a 17 year old jpop idol.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Akanbe- on July 08, 2013, 05:20:28 PM
Ok now I see they are a little bit bigger, but here's a slightly better comparison shot

(http://i.imgur.com/EV98AvV.jpg)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on July 08, 2013, 05:33:15 PM
I'd help if we could see the latter face's chin and neck.

Not like it matters that much, since either way, its uncanny valley.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Darilon on July 08, 2013, 05:41:31 PM
I'd help if we could see the latter face's chin and neck.

Not like it matters that much, since either way, its uncanny valley.

I kind of agree with Aeolus here. The left one looks more realistic but gives that creepy doll like vibe. Hopefully it is not as bad outside of a still picture. Last thing we need is another Lym from Star Ocean
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 08, 2013, 07:03:53 PM
^That's kind of an extreme example with SQEX always putting an emphasis on their visuals and animation.

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"GameTrailers has put together an extensive video detailing the game's story, characters, and continuing connection to William Shakespeare's Hamlet as well as the Fabula Nova Crystallis mythology. They've explored every angle – pulling from trailers old and new to shed the light on the latest mainline Final Fantasy." -- Nova Crystallis (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/final-fantasy-xv-the-mystery-behind-the-myth/)

FINAL FANTASY XV – The Mystery Behind the Myth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO0RcFEzU8o)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 17, 2013, 12:12:19 AM
Nomura on Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts development philosophy (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/07/nomura-on-final-fantasy-xv-and-kingdom-hearts-development-philosophy/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis (via: RPG Site)

"It's no surprise that so much of the current Japanese output of Square Enix hinges of the creative talents of one particular individual. He's now at the helm of both Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts III, the company's two biggest next-generation bets. In a sense, Tetsuya Nomura embodies all that Square Enix currently is – and many are looking to him to produce results.

Our network affiliate, RPG Site (http://www.rpgsite.net/interviews/454-talking-final-fantasy-kingdom-hearts-&-development-philosophy-with-tetsuya-nomura), caught up with Nomura during Japan Expo – his first outing to Europe since 2006 – to talk Final Fantasy XV, Kingdom Hearts and how the director himself views game development philosophies."
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Post by: Aeolus on August 07, 2013, 12:45:30 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/06/a-world-of-the-versus-epic-trademark-hints-at-more-final-fantasy-xv/

And suddenly we see why they went and numbered this. They would've gotten to Scorpion King levels of offshoots if they hadn't.

Also lol Squeenix, for planning a direct sequel to a game you've been sitting on and have yet to actually release since 2006. Looks like they've got enough stuff on the cutting room floor to make a whole new game out of again.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on August 07, 2013, 09:39:01 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/06/a-world-of-the-versus-epic-trademark-hints-at-more-final-fantasy-xv/

And suddenly we see why they went and numbered this. They would've gotten to Scorpion King levels of offshoots if they hadn't.

Also lol Squeenix, for planning a direct sequel to a game you've been sitting on and have yet to actually release since 2006. Looks like they've got enough stuff on the cutting room floor to make a whole new game out of again.

Please.  I'm not surprised gaming in general is gonna go through a 'generation of sequels'.  The more detailed games get, the easier it probably is to just make sequels with similar assets.

But yeah... Hopefully this won't mean another 8 year delay. :P
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Post by: Yggdrasil on August 07, 2013, 09:46:47 AM
@Aeolus: Is not like any of that is new to be actually funny anyway. (~_~;)

What's kinda funny though is how they are making XV part of 3 series at the same time:

XV is part of the main Final Fantasy series, use part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis mythos but despite that XV is part of the "VERSUS" universe.  In other words, XV is its own thing but it has to follow some of the traditions of FF while also using some of the mythos from FNC.

All that doesn't sound terribly complicated to follow given how the hardest part of any FF is putting all of the work done by the team in a cohesive manner together.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Parn on August 07, 2013, 06:08:39 PM
XV is part of the main Final Fantasy series, use part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis mythos but despite that XV is part of the "VERSUS" universe.  In other words, XV is its own thing but it has to follow some of the traditions of FF while also using some of the mythos from FNC.

Does anyone actually give a crap about this stuff?  It's a serious question.  Like, I'm trying to picture some guy who's all "IS FINAL FANTASY XV PART OF FABULA NOVA CRYSTALLIS" while breathing heavily through a mouth full of partially chewed Fritos, Mountain Dew, and saliva.  What does this shit even mean.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on August 07, 2013, 06:20:36 PM
I think I can explain everything in song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sydKXNq6mWk
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on August 07, 2013, 06:27:30 PM
XV is part of the main Final Fantasy series, use part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis mythos but despite that XV is part of the "VERSUS" universe.  In other words, XV is its own thing but it has to follow some of the traditions of FF while also using some of the mythos from FNC.

Does anyone actually give a crap about this stuff?  It's a serious question.  Like, I'm trying to picture some guy who's all "IS FINAL FANTASY XV PART OF FABULA NOVA CRYSTALLIS" while breathing heavily through a mouth full of partially chewed Fritos, Mountain Dew, and saliva.  What does this shit even mean.

I've noticed Squeenix really love the hell out of these tiny inconsequential news tidbits

I think the amount we've heard over 7 years can fit on a piece of paper.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 07, 2013, 06:34:06 PM
@Parn: Dunno, I just find it sort of funny how SQEX make a team work on a game with some of those specifications that were build up over the years with every bad step they made.

What does this shit even mean.

FNC was originally a series of three FFs connected by one mythos. But then shit happened and each of those titles ended up having their own narrative and universe that are loosely connected together by this mythos.

And that's it. Is not complicated really, is just that there's so much people out there being busy hating on SQEX that they never put attention when they were presenting in a more official way FNC back in 2011.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on August 07, 2013, 06:40:24 PM
I think I can explain everything in song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sydKXNq6mWk

My god, it all makes sense now.

FNC was originally a series of three FFs connected by one mythos. But then shit happened and each of those titles ended up having their own narrative and universe that are loosely connected together by this mythos.

Nah, I don't think shit even happened.  The games were never closely related.  They were never really intended to be in the same universe.  The mythos is the only thing they had in common from the start.

'Cause, you know, crystals.  No Final Fantasy game ever obsessed over crystals before...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on August 07, 2013, 06:55:34 PM
We had the 15 trailer playing at work.  THe way they say "crystal" made me smile every time....


KU-RI-SUTARU!!!!!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 07, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
Nah, I don't think shit even happened.  The games were never closely related.  They were never really intended to be in the same universe.  The mythos is the only thing they had in common from the start.

'Cause, you know, crystals.  No Final Fantasy game ever obsessed over crystals before...

Back before XIII was released someone from SQEX said that they were working on making all those three games being connected by the mythos thing. They never said how direct the connections were going to be, but after the reception XIII I think SQEX decided to change and expand part of their of own mess for the future. Though I'm not entirely sure about that nor is important at this point to be honest.

Also FNC has more to do with Gods and souls as far I remember right now.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on August 07, 2013, 07:07:54 PM
We had the 15 trailer playing at work.  THe way they say "crystal" made me smile every time....


KU-RI-SUTARU!!!!!

So, if this is a fantasy based on reality, is the crystal really Cristal- that stupidly expensive champagne all those "bling bling" rappers drink? 
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on August 07, 2013, 07:15:56 PM
We had the 15 trailer playing at work.  THe way they say "crystal" made me smile every time....


KU-RI-SUTARU!!!!!

So, if this is a fantasy based on reality, is the crystal really Cristal- that stupidly expensive champagne all those "bling bling" rappers drink? 

I'd get the "Ghetto Costume DLC" pack even if it cost $20.  Every time an attack connects, the player character lets out one of 10 new voice bites, each more 'gangster' than the one before it.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on August 07, 2013, 08:24:50 PM
Gentlemen (and Dice), I believe the take away you're looking for is that Squeenix should be banned from making compilations altogether (actually they should've been banned back when they ran the Mana series into the ground with that awful World of Mana compilation or similarly awful FFVII compilation; but hindsight is 20/20 and those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and so on, blah blah blah....).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on August 07, 2013, 08:30:10 PM
Gentlemen (and Dice), I believe the take away you're looking for is that Squeenix should be banned from making compilations altogether (actually they should've been banned back when they ran the Mana series into the ground with that awful World of Mana compilation or similarly awful FFVII compilation; but hindsight is 20/20 and those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and so on, blah blah blah....).

I consider it a mixed blessing.  I have too little time and money to afford all of these being good.  Certainly a good way to shit on reputation.

I'm looking forward to an actual release date for this game or real information. 
But with whoever does the PR for Squeenix, I have a feeling we'll be getting "news" for FF13-2-2 on 60/80 costumes she wears at this rate.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: ZshadeZ on August 07, 2013, 08:33:47 PM
We had the 15 trailer playing at work.  THe way they say "crystal" made me smile every time....


KU-RI-SUTARU!!!!!

So, if this is a fantasy based on reality, is the crystal really Cristal- that stupidly expensive champagne all those "bling bling" rappers drink? 

I'd get the "Ghetto Costume DLC" pack even if it cost $20.  Every time an attack connects, the player character lets out one of 10 new voice bites, each more 'gangster' than the one before it.

I immediately pictured this Skyrim mod for XIV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUP5ofaO8tU
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on August 07, 2013, 08:39:49 PM
We had the 15 trailer playing at work.  THe way they say "crystal" made me smile every time....


KU-RI-SUTARU!!!!!

So, if this is a fantasy based on reality, is the crystal really Cristal- that stupidly expensive champagne all those "bling bling" rappers drink? 

I'd get the "Ghetto Costume DLC" pack even if it cost $20.  Every time an attack connects, the player character lets out one of 10 new voice bites, each more 'gangster' than the one before it.

I immediately pictured this Skyrim mod for XIV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUP5ofaO8tU

This is the best Skyrim thing ever.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Raze on August 07, 2013, 10:45:46 PM
This is the best Skyrim thing ever.

That's not the Macho Man.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: ZshadeZ on August 08, 2013, 11:19:21 AM
This is the best Skyrim thing ever.

It's the one that makes me laugh the most, but for general purpose I love: NSFW link (some images) http://skyrimbyapollyn.webs.com/screens

It's an insane mod pack (30ish GB) that makes the world way more beautiful with adding tons of foliage to the towns and gigantic trees and different anime style weapon packs... the only thing I don't like is it turns *all* NPCs into elfy anime girls, including the men. And it doesn't change the voices. So you have a world entirely filled with cutesy anime girls with giant weapons and deep manly voices.

Still, turning voices off and subtitles on it's pretty as hell and makes the game something entirely new. But running all these mods kicks me down to 30ish FPS... and I can't manage the ENB on top of them or I get around 8 FPS average.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Frostillicus on August 08, 2013, 12:49:24 PM
This is the best Skyrim thing ever.

That's not the Macho Man.

Just looked it up on youtube, as I had never seen it before. Hilarious and kind of creepy at the same time. Good stuff!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 30, 2013, 04:10:56 PM
Tokyo Game Show official site lists Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts III (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/08/tokyo-game-show-official-site-lists-final-fantasy-xv-and-kingdom-hearts-iii/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: fenryo on September 01, 2013, 04:57:43 PM
Believe me or not, I have explained that this gameplay is the ultimate gameplay for an action-RPG ten years ago (in a french website) they call me a fool. Now I have the light in the eyes when I have discovered the combat trailer !!
This game will be maybe my only reason to buy a Playstation 4 !! the ultimate fighting spirit game that I have waited since the begnning of my rpg gamer life !! Dissidia was close, Kingdom hearth was cool but in a too "kindy" world (yeah I know the philosophical drama was very mature when we read the boss meditations about the relativity, but Sora was so disconnected of the relativity part).
Now this FF15 gonna be epic !! mouhahahahahah
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Lard on September 01, 2013, 05:38:48 PM
Tokyo Game Show official site lists Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts III (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/08/tokyo-game-show-official-site-lists-final-fantasy-xv-and-kingdom-hearts-iii/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

Not really a surprise.

Are there bound to be any surprises this year?

It seems like everything that's coming is stuff we already know about, and it's not like they're going to announce localisations for NA there.

I guess there's always new PS4 stuff.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 09, 2013, 09:01:10 AM
Tabata wants (Co-Director) Final Fantasy XV to be the highest-acclaimed, highest-profitable FF ever! (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80821881&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF

"Square Enix uploaded their annual report (http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/ar_2013_01en.pdf) today, and it contains a section called "Creator's Voice". "
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: unsmashable_pumpkin on September 09, 2013, 09:26:42 AM
Kingdom hearth was cool but in a too "kindy" world (yeah I know the philosophical drama was very mature when we read the boss meditations about the relativity, but Sora was so disconnected of the relativity part).

Wait, what does "kindy" actually mean? And when you mention relativity I am assuming you are referring to moral relativism? Beause I do not really agree that Kingdom Hearts actually covered that concept with any great depth or maturity.
Kingdom Hearts quasi-philosophical dabbelings started out cute and charming, but has since transformed into an incoherent convoluted mess imo.

Tabata wants (Co-Director) Final Fantasy XV to be the highest-acclaimed, highest-profitable FF ever! (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80821881&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF

"Square Enix uploaded their annual report (http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/ar_2013_01en.pdf) today, and it contains a section called "Creator's Voice". "

It's good to be ambitious, I suppose, but words are cheap. :/
They still have a way to go in terms of rebuilding people's faith in the final fantasy brand.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on September 09, 2013, 09:27:19 AM
Tabata wants (Co-Director) Final Fantasy XV to be the highest-acclaimed, highest-profitable FF ever! (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80821881&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF

"Square Enix uploaded their annual report (http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/ar_2013_01en.pdf) today, and it contains a section called "Creator's Voice". "

Oh great... now they'll expect 8,000,000 units and plan the budget accordingly =/
#SquareBankruptcy
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 09, 2013, 10:02:31 AM
They still have a way to go in terms of rebuilding people's faith in the final fantasy brand.

That's kind of hilarious given how jaded a big portion of the fanbase is and how strongly they can hate more modern FFs because "is not FFVII!" or other reasons that you can find in a bunch of forums and sites.

If anything XV is gonna be as divisive as any other FF in the end. But hey I could be wrong, who knows.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: unsmashable_pumpkin on September 09, 2013, 10:29:56 AM
They still have a way to go in terms of rebuilding people's faith in the final fantasy brand.

That's kind of hilarious given how jaded a big portion of the fanbase is and how strongly they can hate more modern FFs because "is not FFVII!" or other reasons that you can find in a bunch of forums and sites.

If anything XV is gonna be as divisive as any other FF in the end. But hey I could be wrong, who knows.

For every FF-title that comes out there is always a faction of people screaming about how much they hate it, and that all modern final fantasies past (insert random number, most often 7, 10 or 12) have been total shit. That is pretty par for the course and unavoidable in a series that makes such drastic changes between each iteration.

I think that the public discontent caused by people hating on the Lightning-trilogy (which I don't have much against, personally) and the train-wreck that was the initial FFXIV launch has soured a lot of mouths. FFXIV version 1.0 wasn't really divisive, it was just straight up bad. They are certainly working towards fixing that with a realm reborn, but I would still argue that the brand HAS been damaged. I wouldn't be surprised if that could be reflected in the sales and in the critical acclaim of future titles.

My point is that while I still think(/hope) FFXV will be an awesome game, I think it's foolish to think it stands a big chance of being the most profitable FF-game yet, especially considering how much money has already been poured into the development of that game.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Mickeymac92 on September 09, 2013, 10:33:12 AM
Tabata wants (Co-Director) Final Fantasy XV to be the highest-acclaimed, highest-profitable FF ever! (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80821881&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF

"Square Enix uploaded their annual report (http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/ar_2013_01en.pdf) today, and it contains a section called "Creator's Voice". "

You know, I would too if I was working on a project that took over 8 years to get out the door when it probably should've only taken 3-4 years at most...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 09, 2013, 10:54:45 AM
Tabata wants (Co-Director) Final Fantasy XV to be the highest-acclaimed, highest-profitable FF ever! (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80821881&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF

"Square Enix uploaded their annual report (http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/ar_2013_01en.pdf) today, and it contains a section called "Creator's Voice". "

Oh great... now they'll expect 8,000,000 units and plan the budget accordingly =/
#SquareBankruptcy

I'm sure a lot of companies go in thinking that too. =/
Hey guyz, we're gonna sell bajillions!

Granted, I've always told myself if I were to go to prison, i'd spend the time working on a book, but like the next literary masterpiece!!!!   Given FF15 has been in production forever, hopefully they've only nabbed the best of the best of the best of the best ideas and fit them in the game to make their lofty goal.
So yeah, talk is cheap.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 09, 2013, 11:14:10 AM
@unsmashable_pumpkin: We are no longer in 2009/10' and certain things have changed since then, so we'll see.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: unsmashable_pumpkin on September 09, 2013, 11:59:25 AM
@unsmashable_pumpkin: We are no longer in 2009/10' and certain things have changed since then, so we'll see.

That is true, and the game is not out for a while yet, anyway. I would love to be wrong on this.

After Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs and Hitman selling below expectations, despite Tomb Raider selling more than any other previous game, I don't have that much faith in SE budgeting prowess. :(
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 09, 2013, 03:31:08 PM
But let's remember, Square reorganized and acknowledged that they have management and business issues, so I think you'll see more realistic expectations from them, going forward.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on September 09, 2013, 03:39:37 PM
But let's remember, Square reorganized and acknowledged that they have management and business issues, so I think you'll see more realistic expectations from them, going forward.

I don't know, they say they've learned their lesson and then they immediately turn around and go, "and Final Fantasy XV will be the bestest selling Final Fantasy game evar!"

Doesn't seem to me like they've actually learned anything...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 09, 2013, 03:55:01 PM
Well, to be fair, THEY didn't say that, Tabata just said that's what he HOPES to do with it. I don't think he gets any say in what the suits decide good sales numbers are. Plus, this was from a shareholders conference (I think?), so of course he's not going to say "I have modest expectations." :)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 09, 2013, 04:34:22 PM
Well, to be fair, THEY didn't say that, Tabata just said that's what he HOPES to do with it. I don't think he gets any say in what the suits decide good sales numbers are. Plus, this was from a shareholders conference (I think?), so of course he's not going to say "I have modest expectations." :)

http://youtu.be/ussCHoQttyQ
FINALLY A USE FOR THIS
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 10, 2013, 04:54:34 PM
Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts III not in simultaneous development, says Shinji Hashimoto (http://gematsu.com/2013/09/final-fantasy-xv-kingdom-hearts-iii-not-simultaneous-development-hashimoto) -- Source: Gematsu
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Farron on September 11, 2013, 12:18:51 AM
Basically it means "Kingdom Hearts fans, please wait 6 to 7 years".

But with all honesty, I think it's alright. It's not as if they didn't release a bunch of KH games over these years. Sure not all of them are up to pair of what we saw on PS2, but Birth by Sleep was so good it even made a person who didn't like KH like myself to have that game as one of the best PSP games. I just got KH 3D but haven't even touched it yet, but I also heard a good amount of nice things about it.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 11, 2013, 12:34:26 AM
Basically it means "Kingdom Hearts fans, please wait 6 to 7 years".

But with all honesty, I think it's alright. It's not as if they didn't release a bunch of KH games over these years. Sure not all of them are up to pair of what we saw on PS2, but Birth by Sleep was so good it even made a person who didn't like KH like myself to have that game as one of the best PSP games. I just got KH 3D but haven't even touched it yet, but I also heard a good amount of nice things about it.

Micromanaging aside, I loved KH3D, though it seems to be more a matter of debate among fans.  I thought it made the *best* out of the Disney worlds this time around.  The Disney version of Notre Dame is beautifully created to include every part of the movie and then some (and a goddamn duplicate of the cathedral itself!!).
Anyways, any qualms people have with it, I will say it's a solid handheld.

And yeah, I'm really, really excited for the "2.5" Remix we see of KH with both KH2 and BBS on there.  I loved 'breaking' BBS especially, and playing it again without any lag and all the bells and whistles of the Final Mix will be a real treat. ...and maybe a real chance to take on the Mirage Arena since networking on the PSP was a pain in the ass.

KH3 can take its time.  Hell, be great to see what worlds they can work in (Tron: Legacy was a great and recent addition to KH3DS; if the movie was 2010, and the game was 2011, then I'm curious if there might be worlds yet unannounced).  I'm excited, but the "trailer" they released looked more like a tech demo, so I'm not surprised they showed off KH3 waaay, waaaaaay too early and we'll be seeing it for like the 15th anni of the series.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Andrew on September 11, 2013, 03:42:18 AM
Micromanaging aside, I loved KH3D, though it seems to be more a matter of debate among fans.  I thought it made the *best* out of the Disney worlds this time around.  The Disney version of Notre Dame is beautifully created to include every part of the movie and then some (and a goddamn duplicate of the cathedral itself!!).

Yes, but those beautiful worlds were completely empty of life. That actually dispapointed me more than anything else in that game. "Wow, look at Notre Dame! ...Wait, where are the people?"
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 11, 2013, 07:29:16 AM
Micromanaging aside, I loved KH3D, though it seems to be more a matter of debate among fans.  I thought it made the *best* out of the Disney worlds this time around.  The Disney version of Notre Dame is beautifully created to include every part of the movie and then some (and a goddamn duplicate of the cathedral itself!!).

Yes, but those beautiful worlds were completely empty of life. That actually dispapointed me more than anything else in that game. "Wow, look at Notre Dame! ...Wait, where are the people?"

Granted,but it's not like the other KH games were really much better.  They'd have maybe a population of ...5, with stock/bland dialogue.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Andrew on September 11, 2013, 08:35:39 AM
Micromanaging aside, I loved KH3D, though it seems to be more a matter of debate among fans.  I thought it made the *best* out of the Disney worlds this time around.  The Disney version of Notre Dame is beautifully created to include every part of the movie and then some (and a goddamn duplicate of the cathedral itself!!).

Yes, but those beautiful worlds were completely empty of life. That actually dispapointed me more than anything else in that game. "Wow, look at Notre Dame! ...Wait, where are the people?"

Granted,but it's not like the other KH games were really much better.  They'd have maybe a population of ...5, with stock/bland dialogue.

Totally agree. I think I had expected that in 2012 (or was it KH 3DS in 2013? I forget), they'd have been able to include a bit more.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 11, 2013, 12:50:15 PM
Micromanaging aside, I loved KH3D, though it seems to be more a matter of debate among fans.  I thought it made the *best* out of the Disney worlds this time around.  The Disney version of Notre Dame is beautifully created to include every part of the movie and then some (and a goddamn duplicate of the cathedral itself!!).

Yes, but those beautiful worlds were completely empty of life. That actually dispapointed me more than anything else in that game. "Wow, look at Notre Dame! ...Wait, where are the people?"

Granted,but it's not like the other KH games were really much better.  They'd have maybe a population of ...5, with stock/bland dialogue.

Totally agree. I think I had expected that in 2012 (or was it KH 3DS in 2013? I forget), they'd have been able to include a bit more.

Eugh, I agree.  I hope they treat KH3 on PS4 LIKE a PS4 title.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 11, 2013, 04:15:30 PM
I wrote this in my review, but I think KH3DS' worlds were the worst in the series. Visually, they looked great, but they were basically big empty boxes for you to use flowmotion. I sincerely hope that system does not return again. It was just TOO much. Bring back command fusion from BbS!

I think, more than anything else, what KH3 needs is some elaborate and more interesting worlds-- and MORE EMPHASIS ON DONALD AND GOOFY AGAIN
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on September 11, 2013, 05:02:39 PM
I wrote this in my review, but I think KH3DS' worlds were the worst in the series. Visually, they looked great, but they were basically big empty boxes for you to use flowmotion. I sincerely hope that system does not return again. It was just TOO much. Bring back command fusion from BbS!

I think, more than anything else, what KH3 needs is some elaborate and more interesting worlds-- and MORE EMPHASIS ON DONALD AND GOOFY AGAIN

Hear hear!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Mickeymac92 on September 11, 2013, 05:22:27 PM
I wrote this in my review, but I think KH3DS' worlds were the worst in the series. Visually, they looked great, but they were basically big empty boxes for you to use flowmotion. I sincerely hope that system does not return again. It was just TOO much. Bring back command fusion from BbS!

I think, more than anything else, what KH3 needs is some elaborate and more interesting worlds-- and MORE EMPHASIS ON DONALD AND GOOFY AGAIN

Hear hear!

Thirded on all points.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 11, 2013, 06:24:58 PM
I wrote this in my review, but I think KH3DS' worlds were the worst in the series. Visually, they looked great, but they were basically big empty boxes for you to use flowmotion. I sincerely hope that system does not return again. It was just TOO much. Bring back command fusion from BbS!

I think, more than anything else, what KH3 needs is some elaborate and more interesting worlds-- and MORE EMPHASIS ON DONALD AND GOOFY AGAIN

I won't argue the Goofy and Donald bit.  It'd be really nice to have them back for the 3rd title (maybe even Mickey thrown into the mix the way he sort-of was in the second game).  But given the "fangasms" Riku inspires, I'm not surprised they took a title to flesh him out.  But if KH3D's worlds are considered "bad" then I can't say I like many of them.  First off, and for the most part, I thought flowmotion made it nice and easy to move around places, especially with a game that can get as clunky as the KH series can get (that race with Riku at the start of KH1 and navigating Tarzan's world proving why...every jump feels like you're take a hop within the moon's gravitational field). 

I think of KH1's Neverland up against something like Sora's version of Prankster's Paradise.  Neverland was a pirate ship and a small section to fly around Big Ben (both having barely much to do with the real chunk of Peter Pan's story).  Prankster's Paradise was a theme park, a circus tent, a grotto, and the ocean itself.  The Country of the Mouseketeers was a town, a training ground, a valley, and even a full opera house!    BBS made the worlds big (often incorporating enough "room" for *3* separate stories to take place), but were sort of drab to look at (and since they were big, you felt that 'loneliness' even more where a world is inhabited with 5 NPC's at most and endless sums of enemies within a bland design).

But honestly, even as a whole, and even with the levels I DO like, I feel the levels rarely do justice to the source material, nor do they really do well as standouts to how other games have designed levels.  At least, it feels like more love and especially atmosphere  (which to me is important given the "important" or at least nostalgic content they're working with*) goes into the 'unique' KH levels that aren't Disney-inspired.  But the levels are just sort of....boring; and they really pale in comparison to the worlds Disney creates in their feature films.  But since the emphasis is on recreating these places (and they effectively do) and fun battle mechanics, then I guess that's half the battle.

I do remember liking KH2's worlds (most of them anyways), but it's been way too long since I've played to make a real comment.  I picked it up again not too long ago till the KH3DS ending not-too-subtly implied the HD remakes.  ...womp-womp.

* Saying this as someone who's grown up with the "Disney Renaissance" which probably hurts my perspective if it's anything less than perfect.... but by god, why shouldn't it matter when it's about half the appeal of the series?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 11, 2013, 08:28:53 PM
I think some of KH2's worlds were the best in the series, because they took the concept from KH1 and just tried to make them more interesting-- back when the series was still about "hey, crazy Disney worlds!" rather than "ORGANIZATION NOBODYDREAMEATERXBURADO" insanity. Not all of them were great, but I think in more recent entries (ESPECIALLY 3DS) it's clear that they're focusing less on exploration or meaningful interactions with the Disney worlds and more on "how insane can we make this combat?" which I think removes much of the impact and enjoyment of discovering new worlds and seeing new characters.

When things have become so over-the-top, there's no grounding anywhere to make anything meaningful. In KH2, it felt meaningful when you unlocked double jumps, superglides, and all the air dashes because the system didn't go from 0 to 60 like DDD.

That said, I think there are good bits and pieces in many of the games (heck, even some of the weird minigames in re:coded were entertaining) that, if they can manage to combine them all meaningfully, will make for the best game in the series.

Get the grounding and emotional weight behind some of the earlier games (and BbS), the satsifying ability progression from BbS, the crazy changeups from re:coded (shooters, turn-based stuff!), the world visual design from DDD, and some of the level design from KH2, and I think we'll be good to go.

And as I said before, make Donald and Goofy a meaningful part of the story again. I like their friendship with Sora far more than Riku's.

EDIT:

Also Star Wars and Avengers worlds plz

EDIT 2

ALso, again, I'd really like to see more immersive DIsney worlds. I don't even care if there are FEWER Disney worlds if the four or five that there are are more meaningful. The nature of the 'explore the worlds in whatever order' thing they've had going on, along with the "okay here's a DIsney interlude with OXIII members plotting somewhere else for the real scene at Hollow Bastion after you finish three of these" needs to end. Cohesive narrative!

Okay so yeah I just have a million suggestions for how to improve thins.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 11, 2013, 10:30:26 PM
The QTE's of KH2 basically turned into somewhat more varied flowmotion mechanics.  I agree it's flashy (pales to what, unfortunately, Goof and Donald are capable of), but it feels like a somewhat "logical step" towards what keyblade masters* are capable of (essentially the stuff of cinematic trailers).   Daresay, I wonder if we can see a "link up" system for combat like we say in Tales of Xillia?

I'd like to see maybe a Bayonetta-style of "combo combat" (mashing "X" in the first game is killing me; this stuff hasn't aged well at all), but we'll see what the third title has in store.

I'd go on, but I think it's fair to say we see different things from the games and what we want and like from them. But I think we're on a similar level with respect to the worlds and how they're made.

* I hate keyblades.  I feel it's more of a smack of the head and killing enemies through blunt force trauma than actual "cutting" and "slicing" them.  I do like the designs of the other blades though,and making Sora look like an anime-genki-Mickey is a damn crafty design choice IMO.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 14, 2013, 02:47:20 PM
Take a look at these ultra high-resolution Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts III artworks (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/09/take-a-look-at-these-ultra-high-resolution-final-fantasy-xv-and-kingdom-hearts-iii-artworks/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2m4w49l.png)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 15, 2013, 01:00:21 AM
Take a look at these ultra high-resolution Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts III artworks (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/09/take-a-look-at-these-ultra-high-resolution-final-fantasy-xv-and-kingdom-hearts-iii-artworks/) -- Source: Nova Crystallis

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2m4w49l.png)

Unconsciously, I started hummming the Men in Black theme song when I saw the FF15 cast.  I love how freckles and moles are totally an "it" thing to show detail.  It works.

I'm actually getting tingles in my butt thinking about the rest of the KH cast is PS4 3D.  Gorgeous stuff; I always thought the KH2 Intro/Ending CG looked next to perfect; and this is essentially a game version of that (if that is indeed an in-game model).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yoda on September 15, 2013, 01:17:32 AM
I hope Noctics the Dorkus dies in the intro chapter and we get a real hero
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 15, 2013, 01:42:18 AM
I hope Noctics the Dorkus dies in the intro chapter and we get a real hero

I've realized we're minorities in our mutual opinion of him.  Granted we haven't really seen him fleshed out....   I'm more interested in the supporting cast so far anyways/
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 15, 2013, 04:39:01 AM
I hope Noctics the Dorkus dies in the intro chapter and we get a real hero

I've realized we're minorities in our mutual opinion of him.  Granted we haven't really seen him fleshed out....

I don't think for a second that Yoda cares about seeing Noctis (or anyone from XV) being fleshed out...

I've realized we're minorities in our mutual opinion of him.

What opinion? That he's not badass enough for the American audience?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yoda on September 15, 2013, 07:36:54 AM
I hope Noctics the Dorkus dies in the intro chapter and we get a real hero

I've realized we're minorities in our mutual opinion of him.  Granted we haven't really seen him fleshed out....

I don't think for a second that Yoda cares about seeing Noctis (or anyone from XV) being fleshed out...

I've realized we're minorities in our mutual opinion of him.

What opinion? That he's not badass enough for the American audience?

False, I want a good game as much as the next person. But I have little faith that they'll develop him past the sniveling woe is me type into something interesting.


Sorry to interrupt, continue posting links ad nauseum
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 15, 2013, 07:56:12 AM
False, I want a good game as much as the next person. But I have little faith that they'll develop him past the sniveling woe is me type into something interesting.

Gameplay and narrative are two different things that they have to balance as much as they possibly can. If you look forward more to the game part, that's fine and I'm totally not criticizing you.

I just don't imagine that you are the kind of guy that can get into JRPG characters. That's all really.

Sorry to interrupt, continue posting links ad nauseum

Hey look! Salt. :9
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on September 15, 2013, 09:40:19 AM

Unconsciously, I started hummming the Men in Black theme song when I saw the FF15 cast.  I love how freckles and moles are totally an "it" thing to show detail.  It works.


Could not disagree more. I don't want that level of fidelity in my games. I'm actually pretty turned off of the game already with how ultra-realistic they're trying to make the characters look. I wish I could fully explain why, but it just doesn't appeal to me.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 15, 2013, 12:33:58 PM

Unconsciously, I started hummming the Men in Black theme song when I saw the FF15 cast.  I love how freckles and moles are totally an "it" thing to show detail.  It works.


Could not disagree more. I don't want that level of fidelity in my games. I'm actually pretty turned off of the game already with how ultra-realistic they're trying to make the characters look. I wish I could fully explain why, but it just doesn't appeal to me.

I find it kind of weird how Squeenix sort of does realism these days.  Their form of 'realism' usually still involves bigger-than-nornal eyes (especially seen in FF13's Serah and the main heroine for this game, Stella), absolutely gravity-defying anime hair (Serah's can apply here too since her hairdo is so ripped-off anime that it barely can happen in real life; a lot of the boys here seem to prescribe to using Tetsuya's ultra-sticky-hair-putty hairstyles; the point is, anime hair doesn't translate into reality almost at all), and facial structures that aren't exactly Asian, but 'EurAsian'.  Despite looking almost absolutely real, it's still so far removed from it because of this weird anime-human hybrid that sort of comes off as uncanny.  The features are idealized to such a great extent that their lack of flaws seems almost unnatural.

I find you can also see this a lot in Tidus from FFX.  He looks great, I guess.  But that impish smile and stance is just about everything than what you'd naturally see in real life.  I mean, for god's sake, his CG artwork has his hands on his hips, smiling like a goofball, and puffing out his chest.  I do that in photos to be funny.

I kinda hark back to more what I said before though.  I love a lot of the way the supporting cast looks (I think Cor Leonis, with his goofy-but-badass name aside, looks like a real person; the hair isn't absolutely crazy, he has permanent frownlines -- unlike prettyboy Noctis -- and looks...y'know, kinda manly, but rugged as well).

I don't know if we're really on the same page, but that's just how I feel. But it seems unless an FF game is turned into a spin off or less-than-serious title, we won't see them go to a more "cartooney" style again like FF9.  Though I do wonder about it.

I hope Noctics the Dorkus dies in the intro chapter and we get a real hero

I've realized we're minorities in our mutual opinion of him.  Granted we haven't really seen him fleshed out....

I don't think for a second that Yoda cares about seeing Noctis (or anyone from XV) being fleshed out...
I've realized we're minorities in our mutual opinion of him.
What opinion? That he's not badass enough for the American audience?
False, I want a good game as much as the next person. But I have little faith that they'll develop him past the sniveling woe is me type into something interesting.

Sorry to interrupt, continue posting links ad nauseum

Yeah, Yoda nailed my beef with him.  Chances are if he looks "full of woe" he probably will act a bit pissy till he defrosts at some point later in the game (funny, this sounds familiar).  I don't think one screenshot of him has showed him with any other facial expression than that sort of "badass pouting" face.

We need more to go on, of course, but it really doesn't seem like there's much else to say.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on September 15, 2013, 01:05:48 PM

I find it kind of weird how Squeenix sort of does realism these days.  Their form of 'realism' usually still involves bigger-than-nornal eyes (especially seen in FF13's Serah and the main heroine for this game, Stella), absolutely gravity-defying anime hair (Serah's can apply here too since her hairdo is so ripped-off anime that it barely can happen in real life; a lot of the boys here seem to prescribe to using Tetsuya's ultra-sticky-hair-putty hairstyles; the point is, anime hair doesn't translate into reality almost at all), and facial structures that aren't exactly Asian, but 'EurAsian'.  Despite looking almost absolutely real, it's still so far removed from it because of this weird anime-human hybrid that sort of comes off as uncanny.  The features are idealized to such a great extent that their lack of flaws seems almost unnatural.


Yes! That's what is. The dissonance between the design and fidelity of the characters that really turns me off of the overall look. I can't imagine the character animations during gameplay being very helpful regarding that dissonance either, unless those have come a very long way since XIII.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 15, 2013, 01:45:51 PM
Cleaned the OP a bit. Should less messy now. Will update it every time an official trailer/gameplay video is released to keep everything in one place.*

But it seems unless an FF game is turned into a spin off or less-than-serious title, we won't see them go to a more "cartooney" style again like FF9.  Though I do wonder about it.

Bravely Default has took care of that lately, and I don't mind since I really like the visual stlyle that game has.

(http://i.imgur.com/LhDbV.png)

Yeah, Yoda nailed my beef with him.  Chances are if he looks "full of woe" he probably will act a bit pissy till he defrosts at some point later in the game (funny, this sounds familiar).  I don't think one screenshot of him has showed him with any other facial expression than that sort of "badass pouting" face.

We need more to go on, of course, but it really doesn't seem like there's much else to say.

from FF Wiki (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Noctis_Lucis_Caelum#Appearance_and_Personality):

"Noctis has short, spiky, black hair and blue eyes. Although, according to Tetsuya Nomura, his hair and eyes can change color along with his emotions and actions in battle.

Noctis is said to be a shy person, but he initially tries to hide this by "acting cool". According to director Tetsuya Nomura, Noctis will not have the "Cloud-like" personality, but that he will be a type of character not yet been seen in the series, one which Nomura has wanted to try out for a long time. Nomura says Noctis will have a strong and distinctive personality, and will not be a "silent, gloomy little boy". In a Dengeki interview, Nomura explained Noctis is not cool, but rather an ordinary young man who acts tough because he feels it is his duty to protect his kingdom and its citizens. As a result, he sometimes acts rashly or overestimates his strength."


That's part of what has been said of Noctis after the re-announcement of XV at E3.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Starmongoose on September 15, 2013, 02:37:14 PM
Sounds fairly archetypal to me, but I've not been following this closely enough (see: At all).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Prime Mover on September 15, 2013, 03:53:57 PM
Well, maybe they're playing with this extreme and will go the other way on the next game. Development teams seem to like to do that, and I don't fault them for it. Maybe next game will be very chibi, FFIX is one of the most well liked games in the series, after all. All they have to say is, "we're trying to capture that old-school feeling again" and people will flock in.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Eusis on September 15, 2013, 04:31:03 PM
I hope Noctics the Dorkus dies in the intro chapter and we get a real hero

I've realized we're minorities in our mutual opinion of him.  Granted we haven't really seen him fleshed out....   I'm more interested in the supporting cast so far anyways/

Given that he looks like Sasuke you'd probably get some not-Naruto instead.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 15, 2013, 04:49:19 PM
Cleaned the OP a bit. Should less messy now. Will update it every time an official trailer/gameplay video is released to keep everything in one place.*

But it seems unless an FF game is turned into a spin off or less-than-serious title, we won't see them go to a more "cartooney" style again like FF9.  Though I do wonder about it.

Bravely Default has took care of that lately, and I don't mind since I really like the visual stlyle that game has.

(http://i.imgur.com/LhDbV.png)

Yeah, Yoda nailed my beef with him.  Chances are if he looks "full of woe" he probably will act a bit pissy till he defrosts at some point later in the game (funny, this sounds familiar).  I don't think one screenshot of him has showed him with any other facial expression than that sort of "badass pouting" face.

We need more to go on, of course, but it really doesn't seem like there's much else to say.

from FF Wiki (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Noctis_Lucis_Caelum#Appearance_and_Personality):

"Noctis has short, spiky, black hair and blue eyes. Although, according to Tetsuya Nomura, his hair and eyes can change color along with his emotions and actions in battle.

Noctis is said to be a shy person, but he initially tries to hide this by "acting cool". According to director Tetsuya Nomura, Noctis will not have the "Cloud-like" personality, but that he will be a type of character not yet been seen in the series, one which Nomura has wanted to try out for a long time. Nomura says Noctis will have a strong and distinctive personality, and will not be a "silent, gloomy little boy". In a Dengeki interview, Nomura explained Noctis is not cool, but rather an ordinary young man who acts tough because he feels it is his duty to protect his kingdom and its citizens. As a result, he sometimes acts rashly or overestimates his strength."


That's part of what has been said of Noctis after the re-announcement of XV at E3.

IF Brave Default looked like it's artwork than its (call me out on this or don't) SNES-sprite-inspired 3D, then I could see it MAYBE on the PS4.  But I can't remember the last time we got a really big dose of anime or artsy styled gaming from Squeenix that they wouldn't rather take a chance with it on handheld instead.

In general it seems a lot of non-Japanese artsy games are relegated to indie-downloads and kickstarters because it ain't hip.

And I'm going with what Mongoosey said that it sounds somewhat archetypal; talk is cheap to say "he won't be the typical type of character (or "Cloud-like").  And the whole "shy-guy" thing sounds incredibly unappealing so far character-wise unless they can really play it up.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 17, 2013, 01:22:03 PM
As long as he's developed well, I don't care what his personality is-- not this far out.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Mickeymac92 on September 17, 2013, 04:14:24 PM
I've never been one to judge a guy by his cover, so I'll wait until I see how he handles in the game before I start deciding if I like him or not. And even if I don't, I've learned how to enjoy a story even if I don't care for the main character. And even if I don't like the story, that won't stop me from enjoying the game if it has good gameplay - which is really my biggest worry here. Sure it looks impressive, but so did FFXIII's gameplay in the trailers, and that got very repetitive very quickly and wasn't very interactive. I trust that the creator of Kingdom Hearts knows how to make a fun battle system, but still, I won't know until it comes out, so I'll always be a little cautious.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 18, 2013, 09:42:39 AM
Final Fantasy Type-0 Team working on Final Fantasy XV (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/09/17/final-fantasy-type-0-team-working-on-final-fantasy-xv/) -- Source: Siliconera

There's more in the article but I think this is the bit most people care about regarding XV:

Hajime Tabata: "I've recently joined as the co-director, and I'm currently giving it my all, along with the Final Fantasy Type-0 team, and development is going smoothly. We're currently plunging into an important phase, where the engine developers and game developers are preparing to work together."
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on September 18, 2013, 10:18:51 AM
Hajime Tabata: "I've recently joined as the co-director, and I'm currently giving it my all, along with the Final Fantasy Type-0 team, and development is going smoothly. We're currently plunging into an important phase, where the engine developers and game developers are preparing to work together."

That sure sounds like 'no way this is releasing in 2013 or 14'.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on September 18, 2013, 01:11:52 PM
That sure sounds like 'no way this is releasing in 2013 or 14'.

Was 2013 even on the table?  Come on...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Mickeymac92 on September 18, 2013, 01:25:41 PM
I'll live with it coming out in 2015 or 16. I still would prefer it came out sooner than later, of course, but the longer it takes, the longer I get to put off getting a PS4.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 18, 2013, 02:46:00 PM
They did say once that they are committed to release XV as soon as possible. And if we are being realistic that's something between the next 2 to 5 years...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Giga_Force on September 22, 2013, 04:28:48 PM
I can't wait to hear Shimomuras' soundtrack.  I'm still waiting on her to best her Legend of Mana soundtrack; it's perfection.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 22, 2013, 05:04:58 PM
I can't wait to hear Shimomuras' soundtrack.  I'm still waiting on her to best her Legend of Mana soundtrack; it's perfection.

^ Agreed, except that while LoM is fantastic, she's already outdone it ;) trololol
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: bigdeath on October 31, 2013, 06:24:47 PM
Well, I really enjoyed FF13. I love the characters, the music, the gameplay. But I love the FF games that are popular to hate, FF8, FF12, and now FF13. I also hate HATE HATE FFX and I found FF7 underwhelming because I played FF6 first and felt the materia system was a step backwards from FF6 version. And I felt FF7's story went down hill when you left Midgar. Bah, flower girl I did not notice you left. Tifa all the way!

I for one am excited that FF15 is trying to break way from the ATB system that FF has had forever. Though I suspect people are jumping the gun by saying this looks more like Devil May Cry. I do think we will still be using a menu based system but our characters movement might be far more open. We know too little about the combat system to say much of anything.

As for the FF15 being a Fantasy based on Reality, I don't think this is meant to imply that the artwork will be super realistic but that the storyline will be tied more closely to characters with realistic motivations. Lets face it, villains like Kekfa and Sephiroth were never presented as realistic.

Also, about the main character looking emo, I'd say don't jump the gun just yet. It does seems like we are set to make a return to the days of FF7 and FF8 with emo lead characters but it could just be the Noctis has a reserved and maybe somewhat shy personality. When hes friends with the seemingly rebel blond guy (stereotypical japanese rebellious youth look lol), Noctiis might prove to have a more outgoing nature then he appears to have.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 31, 2013, 10:47:10 PM
I for one am excited that FF15 is trying to break way from the ATB system that FF has had forever. Though I suspect people are jumping the gun by saying this looks more like Devil May Cry.

Pfff what? People who says that has no idea what they are talking about.

The combat in DMC (and fast-paced action titles in general) is very different from what an RPG could offer because their roots comes from fighting games (and other types of arcade games in some cases). XV has always been assumed to have a battle system that is a mix between the best of Kingdom Hearts with the cinematic aspects (or qualities) of Advent Children.

As of late stuff like Crisis Core, the XIII series and Type-0 have given the path to the series to move into a more action-oriented type of gameplay, which I think is great, but I hope that SQEX doesn't entirely forget that you can do a turn-based battle system that feels fast without removing any or most of the strategic elements of what that type of game is expected to offer.

As for the FF15 being a Fantasy based on Reality, I don't think this is meant to imply that the artwork will be super realistic but that the storyline will be tied more closely to characters with realistic motivations. Lets face it, villains like Kekfa and Sephiroth were never presented as realistic.

The taglines that Versus XIII has had in trailers are quotes from Shakespeare, and that along with the theatrical tone of the story has made people think that they are going for a tragedy of some sort.

Also is read this (http://www.ff-versusxiii.net/index.php?page=content&name_id=versus_story) to makes things a bit more clear.
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Post by: Giga_Force on November 03, 2013, 03:39:34 PM
I can't wait to hear Shimomuras' soundtrack.  I'm still waiting on her to best her Legend of Mana soundtrack; it's perfection.

^ Agreed, except that while LoM is fantastic, she's already outdone it ;) trololol

IMPOSSIBRU!!! lol
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Post by: Yggdrasil on January 29, 2014, 12:05:16 AM
Former Square Enix President explains why they make Smartphone games and remakes (http://www.siliconera.com/2014/01/28/former-square-enix-president-explains-business-model-came/) -- Siliconera

This news seems relevant and fairly related to the status of XV so I'll leave it here instead of making a separate topic.
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Post by: anonypc on February 12, 2014, 11:12:06 PM
Was anyone else besides me not very impressed with how the gameplay looks?  I mean yes, the visuals are absolutely stunning but the battle system looks pretty unappealing.  I hope I end up absolutely wrong on this.

Personally after 7, it all just starting going downhill, despite 8 9 and 10 & 12 having a good amount of praise.  Not even going to bother picking up lightning returns, I miss squaresoft.
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Post by: Dice on February 12, 2014, 11:26:30 PM
Was anyone else besides me not very impressed with how the gameplay looks?  I mean yes, the visuals are absolutely stunning but the battle system looks pretty unappealing.  I hope I end up absolutely wrong on this.

Personally after 7, it all just starting going downhill, despite 8 9 and 10 & 12 having a good amount of praise.  Not even going to bother picking up lightning returns, I miss squaresoft.

I thought it looked a BIT lackluster, but I'm hoping it'll develop and play better later on (just with further developments under their belt, and y'know with how RPGs kinda get more impressive the further you get in?  For example, Kingdom Hearts, which looks like like FF15, starts pretty bland but allows you more skills/attack options the further you get in).

I didn't care for 12, and 13 was hit-and-miss for me.  I dunno, we'll see.  I'll stay optimistic
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Post by: Cyril on February 12, 2014, 11:40:00 PM
I honestly don't think we have enough to judge by.  We've had one cinematic trailer with gameplay shown.  That isn't really representative of anything.  Making any assumptions beyond "it looks like it's going to play like Kingdom Hearts" to the final product's gameplay at this point is ridiculous.

That said, I'd say if someone doesn't like KH's ARPG style then there's a good chance XV won't change their mind.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on February 12, 2014, 11:53:19 PM
I miss squaresoft.

Honestly, I don't. They did virtually everything they could do and by the end of it with Kingdom Hearts and X-2 they did more than what some people could handle at the time.
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Post by: anonypc on February 13, 2014, 12:20:14 AM
Ugh i couldn't find myself to love kingdom hearts.  The gameplay is fun, I got probably half way the game before I couldn't stomach anymore.  I usually don't mind those types of games but I don't prefer them.  But the notion of having goofy and donald duck as my party members... yeah... no thanks.


FF x-2 was a great game actually, it had a great job / ability system (didn't play international version though), and the battle flow was REALLY fast paced and good, but the storyline was way too girly for me and the whole opening segment with the "Y.R.P" thing.... arghh !!! whhyy?!  and Tidus' ridiculous outfit.. I can't even describe in words correctly what he's wearing, seirously
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Post by: Dice on February 13, 2014, 12:28:18 AM
...but the storyline was way too girly for me and the whole opening segment with the "Y.R.P" thing.... arghh !!! whhyy?! 

Hey now, I resemble that remark and *I* thought the story was crap (or put kindly: A means to an end to get out another FF game that traded-off whatever plot it has for a really fine battle system).

I actually kinda liked the idea of doing a "Charlie's Angels" thing in a post-Sin world, but it was executed poorly.  It felt like how men see women act than how women would actually act with other women:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDQcuO_16aQ#t=76
I mean, look at this crap...
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Post by: Annubis on February 13, 2014, 12:38:35 AM
FFX-2 is a bad porno.
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Post by: anonypc on February 13, 2014, 12:41:00 AM

It felt like how men see women act than how women would actually act with other women:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDQcuO_16aQ#t=76
I mean, look at this crap...


Umm that is absolutely ridiculous, that is normally how all women would act when they relaxing in a hot spring...

No but seriously, yeah the story was pretty bad, haha.  Sorry not "too girly" but just "not my personal taste" there weee go.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on February 13, 2014, 12:43:09 AM
The grudge that people can develop with Square games are like wounds that never heal.
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Post by: anonypc on February 13, 2014, 12:50:05 AM
The grudge that people can develop with Square games are like wounds that never heals.

HAHA well said.  I hope they don't die out, they are my childhood, literally.  But man... the direction that they are going with the series right now, it's crazy.  Personally I'm finding myself currently making the switch to western rpgs > jrpgs, but it still saddens me.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on February 13, 2014, 01:15:03 PM
I hope they don't die out, they are my childhood, literally.  But man... the direction that they are going with the series right now, it's crazy.

Not at all really. The evolution of the main series while troubled it has always been organic, and realistically speaking trying please everybody with a long-running franchise with generations and generations of fans is something close to impossible to achieve.
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Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 13, 2014, 01:43:32 PM
Saw some of the gameplay and design on AngryJoe's Top 20 for 2014 the other day.

Completely skipping this one. ~_~; Irritating people are even calling it an RPG (even though I know the term is so diluted these days that pretty much anything qualifies). If I want to play KH meets Devil May Cry I'll go play either of those games. If I want an RPG I want something turn based. IP System, Grid-Based, RTB System, heck I'll even take the good-for-not-much Command Synergy Battle System in its infancy from XIII before I'll touch this one. XP

Doesn't help the all male main cast turns me off completely. That alone guarantees the characterization's going to blow chunks given the track records of Shonen plots.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on February 13, 2014, 02:48:20 PM
FFXV's inherent independence from XIII, a story through branding and development. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=100660220&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF

I already knew most of this stuff but is worth sharing since there are a lot of dense mofos out there who don't want to give XV even the benefit of the doubt because of all the noise that happened with XIII and (most notably) XIV.
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Post by: Cyril on February 13, 2014, 03:10:38 PM
Completely skipping this one. ~_~; Irritating people are even calling it an RPG (even though I know the term is so diluted these days that pretty much anything qualifies). If I want to play KH meets Devil May Cry I'll go play either of those games. If I want an RPG I want something turn based. IP System, Grid-Based, RTB System, heck I'll even take the good-for-not-much Command Synergy Battle System in its infancy from XIII before I'll touch this one. XP

I find it funny you say this, since in Kitase's latest comment he mentioned considering making the character customization as complex as FFXII's with multiple characters being customized to act in the way you want them to all at the same time.

I think you're jumping to conclusions here.  Very irrational conclusions.

http://gematsu.com/2014/02/final-fantasy-xv-quite-far-development
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Post by: Klutz64 on February 13, 2014, 03:30:26 PM

Completely skipping this one. ~_~; Irritating people are even calling it an RPG (even though I know the term is so diluted these days that pretty much anything qualifies). If I want to play KH meets Devil May Cry I'll go play either of those games. If I want an RPG I want something turn based. IP System, Grid-Based, RTB System, heck I'll even take the good-for-not-much Command Synergy Battle System in its infancy from XIII before I'll touch this one. XP

Irritating people are even calling it an RPG (even though I know the term is so diluted these days that pretty much anything qualifies)..... If I want an RPG I want something turn based.

o_O

Implying that only turn-based games can be called RPG's is... kind of archaic, yeah?
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Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 13, 2014, 03:36:09 PM

o_O

Implying that only turn-based games can be called RPG's is... kind of archaic, yeah?

Kinda yes kinda no.

Bit of a parallel example here.

-Say I enjoy playing Tabletop RPGs about Space Marines.
-I get invited to play a game.
-Turns out the game is at a Laser Tag arena with 'HP' built into the sensor armor and your light guns have different effects based on a pre-selected class to mimic the system.
-I'm going to be disappointed.

Why?

Yes, it's basically the same game in terms of what's happening.
Yes, it's basically got the framework of the game I wanted to play.
Yes, in it's own right, this game is fun.

But that's not what I want when I'm looking for a Tabletop game.

I want to sit down, casually chat with friends, roll dice, write things down with paper and pencil. Not running around in a glowy cage shooting 'real' weapons. That's LARPing, not Tabletoping.

So, when I look for an RPG I look generally for a turn based experience. There are some exceptions but the line becomes really really muddled at times. I.E: With an ARPG I want a heavier emphasis on meaningful, tactical combat that just happens to execute it's movements in real time; not a Beat 'Em Up/Action hybrid that calls itself a RPG just because it makes the HP and Damage numbers visible. This is just personal perception here. I know full well the industry/public in general doesn't operate by that standard.
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Post by: anonypc on February 13, 2014, 06:32:26 PM
noted, sorry
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Post by: Starmongoose on February 13, 2014, 06:36:43 PM
Why are you asking in the Final Fantasy XV thread? There is a Lightning Returns thread here: http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=11607.0
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 26, 2014, 05:49:31 PM
OMNIS LACRIMA (FINAL FANTASY XV) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0gaoweoBMQ) from memória! / The Very Best of Yoko Shimomura -- Square Portal, YouTube

---

News from Nova Crystallis:

Yusuke Naora is working on Final Fantasy XV, Yoshinori Kitase no longer attached to the project (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/03/yusuke-naora-is-working-on-final-fantasy-xv-yoshinori-kitase-no-longer-attached-to-the-project/)

Final Fantasy XV to feature many piano tracks, says Shimomura (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/03/final-fantasy-xv-to-feature-many-piano-tracks-says-shimomura/)
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Post by: King_Tetiro on March 28, 2014, 02:50:24 AM
I'm hoping that 15 will be a fantastic game. Final Fantasy has lost its touch over me and I think I'll be leaving the old franchise on my shelf if it doesn't deliver. I have played different RPGs in the last few years that are much better!

Then again, this Fantasy will be with Kingdom Hearts gameplay :)
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 28, 2014, 10:46:06 PM
^With the staff the game has, the worst that can happen is XV being as bananas as Advent Children was.

Practically all the key people that made AC what it was is in charge of XV. Only difference here is that they have more room to play with ideas now.
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Post by: Taelus on March 29, 2014, 12:08:05 AM
And some of the key Type-0 folks, and Type-0 is awesome.
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Post by: Dice on March 29, 2014, 12:58:58 AM
And some of the key Type-0 folks, and Type-0 is awesome.

Plot-wise too?
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Post by: Taelus on March 29, 2014, 01:44:39 AM
And some of the key Type-0 folks, and Type-0 is awesome.

Plot-wise too?

I thought so.
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Post by: Blace on March 29, 2014, 02:48:09 PM
Really wish I knew Japanese or Square would localize Type-0. It looks awesome.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 29, 2014, 11:41:37 PM
And some of the key Type-0 folks, and Type-0 is awesome.

Plot-wise too?

For an FF with a militaristic story with fantasy elements is fairly elaborate, not too hard to follow and satisfying in its own terms. Type-0 also has two endings and the script was written by Hiroki Chiba (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Hiroki_Chiba).

Personally I really like the opening sequence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4D9Wq_8TLc) Type-0 has. Is different from what you see in other games in the series and it sets the tone very well.
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Post by: Dice on March 29, 2014, 11:52:27 PM
I'm really surprised they didn't go the route of an HD version for PS3 yet.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 30, 2014, 12:21:27 AM
I'm really surprised they didn't go the route of an HD version for PS3 yet.

In the few times they considered releasing Type-0 in the West, some internal reason came out that stopped the chance of that ever happening.

Lately you could think is gonna happen at any moment with the Vita. But that's wishful thinking right now.
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Post by: Dice on March 30, 2014, 12:31:23 AM
I'm really surprised they didn't go the route of an HD version for PS3 yet.

In the few times they considered releasing Type-0 in the West, some internal reason came out that stopped the chance of that ever happening.

Lately you could think is gonna happen at any moment with the Vita. But that's wishful thinking right now.

It doesn't really feel like they've got too many big items on their plate right now; and I can't imagine an upgraded PSP game being too hard to take on.   ...I think what I mean is that it seems like a wasted opportunity NOT to milk the game that I'm surprised it wouldn't be a priority within the near future.

But hey, what do I know? 
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Post by: Lard on March 30, 2014, 01:51:32 AM
I'm really surprised they didn't go the route of an HD version for PS3 yet.

It really seems like a no-brainer, considering people in NA are clamouring for it.
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Post by: Kevadu on March 30, 2014, 01:59:11 AM
I don't know, Type-0 feels very much like it was made for a portable system.  Probably because it was.  I'm not sure I'd want to play it on a PS3...

Vita, though?  Sure.
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Post by: Lard on March 30, 2014, 02:10:04 AM
Why not? Plenty of psp games have worked well on PS3.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 30, 2014, 03:55:28 AM
I remember reading a while ago in an interview with Hajime Tabata something about how porting Type-0 to PS3 goes against the design philosophy of the game, since it was made as a portable experience in mind.
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Post by: Blace on March 30, 2014, 11:16:03 AM
And some of the key Type-0 folks, and Type-0 is awesome.

Plot-wise too?

For an FF with a militaristic story with fantasy elements is fairly elaborate, not too hard to follow and satisfying in its own terms. Type-0 also has two endings and the script was written by Hiroki Chiba (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Hiroki_Chiba).

Personally I really like the opening sequence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4D9Wq_8TLc) Type-0 has. Is different from what you see in other games in the series and it sets the tone very well.

Holy shit I should not have watched that intro, it makes me even more pissed off that we didn't get this game. That was fantastic! Grittiest stuff I've ever seen from the series and the music is great. Damn you localization team.
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Post by: Holykael1 on March 30, 2014, 11:23:32 AM
And some of the key Type-0 folks, and Type-0 is awesome.

Plot-wise too?

For an FF with a militaristic story with fantasy elements is fairly elaborate, not too hard to follow and satisfying in its own terms. Type-0 also has two endings and the script was written by Hiroki Chiba (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Hiroki_Chiba).

Personally I really like the opening sequence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4D9Wq_8TLc) Type-0 has. Is different from what you see in other games in the series and it sets the tone very well.

Holy shit I should not have watched that intro, it makes me even more pissed off that we didn't get this game. That was fantastic! Grittiest stuff I've ever seen from the series and the music is great. Damn you localization team.

Fear not my son, a fan translation patch will be released in August, import a JPN copy and use thy CFW.
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Post by: Annubis on March 30, 2014, 12:55:31 PM
I don't know.
Square has been known to send cease & desist RIGHT WHEN SOMETHING IS FINISHED.
(jerks)
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Post by: Dice on March 30, 2014, 01:28:23 PM
I don't know.
Square has been known to send cease & desist RIGHT WHEN SOMETHING IS FINISHED.
(jerks)

They allegedly got that covered.  The guy doing it got a Lawyer, and something about out of area (Spain?) laws protect them.  iirc...i shoulda read it better.
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Post by: Taelus on March 30, 2014, 01:56:28 PM
Yeah, another reason the translation patch isn't coming out til August even though they just finished it is because they're waiting to see if Square announces any kind of localization at E3, at which point they'll decide what to do next.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on April 28, 2014, 11:18:38 AM
(http://i62.tinypic.com/s4uhrs.png)

Final Fantasy XV Details Appear on Official Xbox One and PS4 Japanese Websites (http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/04/27/new-final-fantasy-xv-details-appear-on-official-japanese-xbox-one-and-ps4-websites/) -- DualShockers

Xbox One JP Site Official Description (* (http://www.xbox.com/ja-JP/xbox-one/games/ffxv)):

"Final Fantasy XV features a high action system unprecedented in the series. By taking advantage of the specs of next generation consoles, characters can move freely across the whole screen. In addition to that, the party battle system is now more advanced, allowing you to enjoy party battle by switching characters more strategically."

"As the royal heir of Lucis who has the last crystal in the world, the main character Noctis and his friends will suddenly be involved in the war."

PS4 JP Site Official Description (* (http://www.jp.playstation.com/software/title/ps4ff15.html)):

"The battles featured in Final Fantasy XV have evolved greatly from the previous games of the series, as it's created as an action game. The game switches seamlessly from the field to battle and the combat situation evolves rapidly. It goes on quickly with a sense of full realism."

"Also, it's possible to fight not only with the hero Noctis, but also to switch with other characters. Furthermore, it's also possible to perform a combination attack with a companion while enjoying the dynamic effect."

"Noctis can fight by making use of a variety of weapons and can move quickly within the areas by attacking enemies with stylish action!"

"You can fight monsters by cooperating with an ally. The ability to fight in collaboration with unique companions is an important feature of this game."
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Post by: Aeolus on April 28, 2014, 01:07:09 PM
Why is the character in the above image wearing red high heels?

Actually, why is he wearing non-black anything given the rest of his outfit isn't non-black?
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Post by: Taelus on April 28, 2014, 01:27:50 PM
Sounds cool to me. Looking forward to seeing more at E3, hopefully.
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Post by: Dice on April 28, 2014, 01:35:40 PM
I can't really get excited off of text (or no release date for this title).  But in general I'm really looking forward to E3... certainly the release schedule for this year seems like its thinned out, so I'm hoping we'll hear a lot of stuff this year.
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Post by: AuraChannelerChris on April 28, 2014, 01:46:31 PM
Sounds like this FF game finally killed whatever the turn-based RPG was left.
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Post by: Aeolus on April 28, 2014, 01:58:25 PM
Sounds like this FF game finally killed whatever the turn-based RPG was left.

I don't know what to tell you if you weren't expecting Kingdom Fantasy: Final Hearts XVersus out of this. It's basically 'the thing' that the KH team has been working on since KH2 (outside of the occasional side project and getting sucked into the development black hole that was FFXIII).
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Post by: Dice on April 28, 2014, 02:17:39 PM
While I admire the turn-based tradition, I'm fine with it being left at the door if it means slightly more quick and responsive gameplay.  Hey at least Child of Light is coming out soon, and a lot of handheld titles haven't really abandoned turn-based.

At least the KH team did a brilliant job of real-time battles with the more recent KH titles --- so I actually consider the same team working on this a huge selling point for me.
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Post by: Blace on April 28, 2014, 02:40:55 PM
While I admire the turn-based tradition, I'm fine with it being left at the door if it means slightly more quick and responsive gameplay.  Hey at least Child of Light is coming out soon, and a lot of handheld titles haven't really abandoned turn-based.

At least the KH team did a brilliant job of real-time battles with the more recent KH titles --- so I actually consider the same team working on this a huge selling point for me.

I totally agree with all of this. I want Square-Enix to challenge themselves with this game rather than try something we know they have delivered on before. Now if this ends up stinking like poo after they disappointed alot of people with the FFXIII trilogy, I could see them taking a step back with the next one and going back to roots.
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Post by: Taelus on April 28, 2014, 03:00:14 PM
While I admire the turn-based tradition, I'm fine with it being left at the door if it means slightly more quick and responsive gameplay.  Hey at least Child of Light is coming out soon, and a lot of handheld titles haven't really abandoned turn-based.

At least the KH team did a brilliant job of real-time battles with the more recent KH titles --- so I actually consider the same team working on this a huge selling point for me.

I totally agree with all of this. I want Square-Enix to challenge themselves with this game rather than try something we know they have delivered on before. Now if this ends up stinking like poo after they disappointed alot of people with the FFXIII trilogy, I could see them taking a step back with the next one and going back to roots.

All this.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on April 28, 2014, 03:35:27 PM
Why is the character in the above image wearing red high heels?

Did you see the image in the OP?

Actually, why is he wearing non-black anything given the rest of his outfit isn't non-black?

Stylish action = Stlyish clothing

Is like an unwritten rule that comes from Japanese fast-paced action games (usually at least).

For all I care though, if XV goes all RULES OF NATURE with its approach in action I'm gonna one happy dude.

I could see them taking a step back with the next one and going back to roots.

What, you want another FF like V and IX? Because those two went back to the roots and were like "Hey remember those charming medieval settings and lovable characters?". ARR covered the 'back to the roots' people lately, now if those people don't like MMOs then... *shrug* I don't know man.

All they have shown of XV constantly shows that SQEX as a company wants a fresh start with what can be considered 'a new kind of FF' and they hope people in general will like it. The only guy that can ruin a big of chunk XV for more than one person is Kazushige Nojima, since he has always been a hit and miss scriptwriter.

Nomura also do some weird shenanigans sometimes, but I can't say he has done a bad job as a director (not yet anyway).
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Post by: Taelus on April 28, 2014, 03:44:38 PM
I'm getting a very Type-0 + Kingdom Hearts vibe from all this, so far. I think that's a really great combo, and I'm really optimistic for this game. Maybe not in the plot department, but if it culls any of the lessons learned from Type-0, I think it should be okay. Plus, I really like the setup-- as long as Square remembers that setup for a plot should not be the ENTIRE plot.
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Post by: Dice on April 28, 2014, 04:19:19 PM
I'm getting a very Type-0 + Kingdom Hearts vibe from all this, so far. I think that's a really great combo, and I'm really optimistic for this game. Maybe not in the plot department, but if it culls any of the lessons learned from Type-0, I think it should be okay. Plus, I really like the setup-- as long as Square remembers that setup for a plot should not be the ENTIRE plot.

I'm actually incredible turned off by the characters so far (Cor Leonis aside... I'd be on that in a New York minute).  The men-in-black tough-guy squad look all style than substance (none of them seem particularly friendly/sociable either).  I hope to be wrong though.  And like KH and your thoughts on it, I'm in it for the gameplay and world than the plot and characters.

I'm still licking the creative wound made by them changing Stella into a giant-eyed idol character.

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I kinda find it funny when you try reaallly hard to make a 'cool character', I find backfires half the time.
...whoops, changed topic.  (THIS IS WHY I MADE AN ART THREAD)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 28, 2014, 04:23:25 PM
I'm not really especially INTO the looks of the cast, but I'm not usually into the looks of any cast. I'm more interested in how they play out in the game. Example: P3 and P4's character art is great, but I don't really care much about them visually. It was only once I played and found the characters to be fantastic that I started to like them more.

I'll admit, I barely even glanced at FFXV's characters, because the way they look isn't really of much interest to me. Lightning looks cool as hell, but she's about the blandiest bland that ever blanded a bland. Zidane has a ruffle and a tail, but he's the most awesome character around, for a positive example.

TL;DR I'm not interested in the cast until I play the game. Although more than one token ladycharacter might be a good way for them to go.

I will say, in terms of friendly/sociable, I think that's really something we'll have to see in the game. I get the impression they're really trying to capture the dynamics between these characters, based on what's been released so far. It'll remain to be seen how that happens, but so far they do have a very generic "cool dudes" vibe.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 28, 2014, 04:54:37 PM
I'm not really especially INTO the looks of the cast, but I'm not usually into the looks of any cast. I'm more interested in how they play out in the game. Example: P3 and P4's character art is great, but I don't really care much about them visually. It was only once I played and found the characters to be fantastic that I started to like them more.

I'll admit, I barely even glanced at FFXV's characters, because the way they look isn't really of much interest to me. Lightning looks cool as hell, but she's about the blandiest bland that ever blanded a bland. Zidane has a ruffle and a tail, but he's the most awesome character around, for a positive example.

TL;DR I'm not interested in the cast until I play the game. Although more than one token ladycharacter might be a good way for them to go.

I will say, in terms of friendly/sociable, I think that's really something we'll have to see in the game. I get the impression they're really trying to capture the dynamics between these characters, based on what's been released so far. It'll remain to be seen how that happens, but so far they do have a very generic "cool dudes" vibe.

If they can create an awesome bromance or best buddy vibe, I will probably adore it (all of the Sherlock Holmes iterations coming out these days are a good example, the Avenger-related films from Marlvel, and the 'buddy system' going on in HBO's Entourage also work well on that level).  I'm hoping, but I'm saving all judgment till the game is in my hands (in 5 years from now lolololol).

I definitely fall into that group who thought Lightning-1 was absolutely brilliant looking...till she got a voice, and they kept making her speak up and dress up in newer and stranger outfits (seriously, wtf is that LR outfit trying to do?  That thing is a design mess). 

I remember not being TOO keen of Zidane at first (I think it's his CG face/hair that look kinda 'iffy' (http://www.ffshrine.org/ff9/fmvshots-disc1/17-balcony/00010.jpg) at times), but his appearance otherwise fits SO well.  I love how it's sort of stuck between "hero" and "noble"; what with the frill collar and cuffs; definitely a unique entry to the FF-hero cast. 

I always like to think of Auron too.  I hate how they feed just how cool he is by drawing him with every damn cool motif you could think of.  Muscle? Fine. Scar? Alright. Sunglasses? C'mon. Alcohol? Go on. Silent type? Check. Kinda scruffy? You fucking bet. Silver fox? MMMhmm 
MAXIMUM COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I actually liked most of the P3/4 character designs since they usually aren't terribly extreme.  THe designs are practical enough to suit real-world high school life.  Junpei is that ordinary buddy who wears a cap and has some dreadful teenaged peachfuzz growing in. x)  I also love how the student's outfits differ just that little bit to bring out their personality --- WITHIN school dress codes. :P
I just realized!!!!! I hope they make an SMT actually set in the 80s!!! I mean, Persona loved "retro" but without actually setting the game when things were livin' in retro.
Get that super-gelled/frizz hair back!
(http://www.jpopasia.com/img/album-covers/3/4032-andltahrefhttpwwwjpo-8p8k.jpg)(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/c3/6b/78/c36b786bc92502fa5966103ec18a2fcd.jpg)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 28, 2014, 05:05:08 PM
I'll admit, I barely even glanced at FFXV's characters, because the way they look isn't really of much interest to me. Lightning looks cool as hell, but she's about the blandiest bland that ever blanded a bland. Zidane has a ruffle and a tail, but he's the most awesome character around, for a positive example.

Perception is a bitch. But I like both with their quirks and everything.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 28, 2014, 05:15:08 PM
I'll admit, I barely even glanced at FFXV's characters, because the way they look isn't really of much interest to me. Lightning looks cool as hell, but she's about the blandiest bland that ever blanded a bland. Zidane has a ruffle and a tail, but he's the most awesome character around, for a positive example.

Perception is a bitch. But I like both with their quirks and everything.

Lightning had a quirk?
"Worst birthday ever" is the only one I can think of.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 28, 2014, 05:20:39 PM
Lightning had a quirk?
"Worst birthday ever" is the only one I can think of.

Somehow I knew you would say something like that.

I'm not gonna fall in the hole of talking about XIII or its characters though, after 6 messy years with the series I got that is a lost a cause in mostly every gaming site talking about that. And I guess that's fine, or rather, I don't care anymore.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 28, 2014, 05:22:54 PM
Lightning had a quirk?
"Worst birthday ever" is the only one I can think of.

Somehow I knew you would say something like that.

I'm not gonna fall in the hole of talking about XIII or its characters though, after 6 messy years with the series I got that is a lost a cause in mostly every gaming site. And I guess that's fine, or rather, I don't care anymore.

I wasn't trying to be a smart ass despite our less than pleasant history chatting together.  By all means though, tell me what I missed.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on April 28, 2014, 05:54:08 PM
I'm really worried about how the game is going to handle Noctis basically starting the game with super powers (from what I gather). I even find it hard to explain why I'm so stuck on that. I just feel like it would hurt the gameplay somehow even though I trust the team knows what they're doing. Or maybe I just really like the feeling of upgrading to new equipment and I feel like maybe that won't be a part of the game because of Noctis' abilities.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Blace on April 28, 2014, 07:04:54 PM
Stylish action = Stlyish clothing
I could see them taking a step back with the next one and going back to roots.

What, you want another FF like V and IX? Because those two went back to the roots and were like "Hey remember those charming medieval settings and lovable characters?". ARR covered the 'back to the roots' people lately, now if those people don't like MMOs then... *shrug* I don't know man.

All they have shown of XV constantly shows that SQEX as a company wants a fresh start with what can be considered 'a new kind of FF' and they hope people in general will like it. The only guy that can ruin a big of chunk XV for more than one person is Kazushige Nojima, since he has always been a hit and miss scriptwriter.

Nomura also do some weird shenanigans sometimes, but I can't say he has done a bad job as a director (not yet anyway).

I didn't say I wanted it. I said if this one fails I could see them doing that. I want them to push the genre forward obviously, but remembering what got them this far is important too. Some of the elements of the older games that have been forgotten are archaic and outdated, but others can be implemented into a modern game and still be worthwhile like in Bravely Default.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on April 28, 2014, 09:49:43 PM
I'm really worried about how the game is going to handle Noctis basically starting the game with super powers (from what I gather). I even find it hard to explain why I'm so stuck on that. I just feel like it would hurt the gameplay somehow even though I trust the team knows what they're doing. Or maybe I just really like the feeling of upgrading to new equipment and I feel like maybe that won't be a part of the game because of Noctis' abilities.

I'll probably work better than FFXIII-1 where your team had no superpowers at the start (outside of Lightning's cutscene powers/Mana Drive and Snow's Snowiness), leading to two chapters of completely meaningless fights (since you couldn't gain A) money or B) exp until you gained the Crystarium at the start of Chapter 3). There was no need for anything more than a fifth of the amount of fights that you had to fight during that sequence.


Also +1'ing the dislike for the roving Japanese Boy Band that are the PCs of FFXV. Sure they're meant to be a posse, but I don't really feel like playing a Japanese Soap about a posse when I could just watch one of those instead.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on April 28, 2014, 10:07:32 PM
I'm just afraid it'll feel like I'm playing some kind of j-pop boy band.

The wild one is the center, then you put the intellectual, the brash/strong and the pretty boy.

At least there's this 42-year old dude (http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130612200156/finalfantasy/images/9/97/Cor_Leonis-E3_2013_trailer.jpg) giving me hope.

EDIT: Case in point, I put the faces of Idolm@ster's Jupiter boy band... it's eerie how well it fits.
(the second guy from the left even has a freaking chain on his pants... like... so damn similar)

(http://i.imgur.com/r2xkLTK.jpg)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on April 28, 2014, 10:27:33 PM
At least there's this 42-year old dude (http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130612200156/finalfantasy/images/9/97/Cor_Leonis-E3_2013_trailer.jpg) giving me hope.

I hope I look that good when I'm 42 ;)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 28, 2014, 10:57:18 PM
At least there's this 42-year old dude (http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130612200156/finalfantasy/images/9/97/Cor_Leonis-E3_2013_trailer.jpg) giving me hope.

I hope I look that good when I'm 42 ;)

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpn0ziNId91qenagv.gif)

EDIT: LOVE Annubis' edit for the laughs...and for the truth: For better or worse, it IS a good fit. :S
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 29, 2014, 01:14:54 AM
Also +1'ing the dislike for the roving Japanese Boy Band that are the PCs of FFXV. Sure they're meant to be a posse, but I don't really feel like playing a Japanese Soap about a posse when I could just watch one of those instead.

The most interesting aspect of XV though is not so much about the game itself (that's something SQEX are banging their heads working on it), what's interesting at this point is seeing how this project is gonna end up being for them in terms of reception.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Lard on April 29, 2014, 04:33:12 AM
I think it's the clothing, but the style of the characters reminds of FF8, particularly Squall.

I'm still hoping it turns out well but I think some people have made their minds up that "Square sucks" and nothing will change it unfortunately.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on April 29, 2014, 07:11:06 AM
Few people actually stick to their words. If the game is good they will buy it and eat crow.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Darilon on April 29, 2014, 07:24:31 AM
Few people actually stick to their words. If the game is good they will buy it and eat crow.

I think Lard meant it differently than a boycott. I know that very few people who threaten to boycott a game actually follow through but losing interest in something is pretty different. Even if they hear it got good reviews they might wait until a sale to pick it up. Less of a "Stick it to the man" and more of a "Probably safer to buy something I know I will like"
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Andrew on April 29, 2014, 07:37:38 AM
Few people actually stick to their words. If the game is good they will buy it and eat crow.

I think Lard meant it differently than a boycott. I know that very few people who threaten to boycott a game actually follow through but losing interest in something is pretty different. Even if they hear it got good reviews they might wait until a sale to pick it up. Less of a "Stick it to the man" and more of a "Probably safer to buy something I know I will like"

This is my mentality with a lot of titles and series now. I'm very interested in FFXV, but there's no way I'm paying full price on release, simply because I haven't enjoyed the series as much as I used to, not because I have anything personally against SE.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on April 29, 2014, 08:12:58 AM
Few people actually stick to their words. If the game is good they will buy it and eat crow.

I think Lard meant it differently than a boycott. I know that very few people who threaten to boycott a game actually follow through but losing interest in something is pretty different. Even if they hear it got good reviews they might wait until a sale to pick it up. Less of a "Stick it to the man" and more of a "Probably safer to buy something I know I will like"

This is my mentality with a lot of titles and series now. I'm very interested in FFXV, but there's no way I'm paying full price on release, simply because I haven't enjoyed the series as much as I used to, not because I have anything personally against SE.

Yeah I was specifically talking about the "Final Fantasy is dead forever to me,Square enix has murdered my family, FF 13 is the bane of my existence, all it's offsprings are the devil incarnate and some of the worst games ever made" people..
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on April 29, 2014, 09:12:41 AM
Few people actually stick to their words. If the game is good they will buy it and eat crow.

I think Lard meant it differently than a boycott. I know that very few people who threaten to boycott a game actually follow through but losing interest in something is pretty different. Even if they hear it got good reviews they might wait until a sale to pick it up. Less of a "Stick it to the man" and more of a "Probably safer to buy something I know I will like"

This is my mentality with a lot of titles and series now. I'm very interested in FFXV, but there's no way I'm paying full price on release, simply because I haven't enjoyed the series as much as I used to, not because I have anything personally against SE.

Same here, though swap out 'very interested' with 'idly curious' cuz I'm getting more The Bouncer vibes from this than FFVIII vibes, and I don't want to condemn it outright without seeing the finished product in action first.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Lard on April 29, 2014, 06:46:38 PM
I think Lard meant it differently than a boycott. I know that very few people who threaten to boycott a game actually follow through but losing interest in something is pretty different. Even if they hear it got good reviews they might wait until a sale to pick it up. Less of a "Stick it to the man" and more of a "Probably safer to buy something I know I will like"

Yeah, I meant something more like this. I think people will cross their arms and harumph and say "Square sucks" until the game comes out and they actually see the reaction to it.
I don't know of anyone saying "I refuse to buy FF15!" right now.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on April 29, 2014, 06:50:31 PM
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/681990-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/68565537
I could provide you a bunch of "FF IS DEAD" threads and major melodrama on various forums, that's just an example.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Starmongoose on April 29, 2014, 06:59:55 PM
I think Lard meant it differently than a boycott. I know that very few people who threaten to boycott a game actually follow through but losing interest in something is pretty different. Even if they hear it got good reviews they might wait until a sale to pick it up. Less of a "Stick it to the man" and more of a "Probably safer to buy something I know I will like"

Yeah, I meant something more like this. I think people will cross their arms and harumph and say "Square sucks" until the game comes out and they actually see the reaction to it.
I don't know of anyone saying "I refuse to buy FF15!" right now.

Well, I'm not refusing to buy FF15 for any other reason than it doesn't look like a game I would enjoy. I've always leaned heavily towards the turn-based, and this doesn't look like something I would enjoy playing. :P
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Lard on April 29, 2014, 07:21:48 PM
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/681990-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/68565537
I could provide you a bunch of "FF IS DEAD" threads and major melodrama on various forums, that's just an example.

Yeah, but that's gamefaqs.

And buying it because you prefer turn based combat over action is a perfectly reasonable reason!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on April 29, 2014, 07:57:12 PM
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/681990-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/68565537
I could provide you a bunch of "FF IS DEAD" threads and major melodrama on various forums, that's just an example.

Yeah, but that's gamefaqs.

And buying it because you prefer turn based combat over action is a perfectly reasonable reason!

Indeed, it is, I was not talking about anyone here lol. And I agree, if you don't like action games, I can definitely understand why one wouldnt be interested.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on April 29, 2014, 08:12:33 PM
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/681990-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/68565537
I could provide you a bunch of "FF IS DEAD" threads and major melodrama on various forums, that's just an example.

While not in reference to games themselves, I would very much cross my arms, and harrumph, and go "GameFAQs' boards sucks!!!" at the drop of the hat.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 29, 2014, 09:19:28 PM
"FF IS DEAD"

Yeah welll, uh... I don't say this as a fan since I wouldn't exactly call myself a fan of FF like most people that is into this, but for what I've seen in all the years I've been following the series is that people treat FF like it's some kind of tough love, and that's without mentioning the awkward abusive relationship SQEX maintains with its audience that really looks like Stockholm syndrome sometimes.

As I see it though, the"problem" is that FF has this thing that can basically start itself over again with a brand new game that is very much a product of its time. So when people want to see SQEX go back to a certain entry in the series, that goes against what part of FF has always been about.

So, the problem of FF is not so much that is dying. Is more about that one of the aspects that is the strength of what makes the series what it is over time became one of his biggest weaknesses for a lot of people.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Zendervai on April 29, 2014, 10:29:09 PM
"FF IS DEAD"

Yeah welll, uh... I don't say this as a fan since I wouldn't exactly call myself a fan of FF like most people that is into this, but for what I've seen in all the years I've been following the series is that people treat FF like it's some kind of tough love, and that's without mentioning the awkward abusive relationship SQEX maintains with its audience that really looks like Stockholm syndrome sometimes.

As I see it though, the"problem" is that FF has this thing that can basically start itself over again with a brand new game that is very much a product of its time. So when people want to see SQEX go back to a certain entry in the series, that goes against what part of FF has always been about.

So, the problem of FF is not so much that is dying. Is more about that one of the aspects that is the strength of what makes the series what it is over time became one of his biggest weaknesses for a lot of people.

That is true. The only thing that has been consistent across the entire series is Cid, and I think a reference to Cid of the Lufaine had to be added back into FFI in a remake. Everything else was added later or removed. Although bizarre time-space shenanigans do pop up surprisingly often, starting with the original.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on April 30, 2014, 05:41:52 AM
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/681990-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/68565537
I could provide you a bunch of "FF IS DEAD" threads and major melodrama on various forums, that's just an example.

While not in reference to games themselves, I would very much cross my arms, and harrumph, and go "GameFAQs' boards sucks!!!" at the drop of the hat.

I could point you to some Neogaf examples if you want :P
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Lard on April 30, 2014, 09:48:02 PM
I just want the story to not be as terrible as FF8 and the combat not as boring as FF12.

Is that too much to ask?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 30, 2014, 11:17:41 PM
I just want the story to not be as terrible as FF8 and the combat not as boring as FF12.

Is that too much to ask?

I like this.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Blace on May 01, 2014, 12:13:37 AM
I just want the story to not be as terrible as FF8 and the combat not as boring as FF12.

Is that too much to ask?

I liked the story to FF8 and the combat to FF12 so I guess yes.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on May 01, 2014, 06:46:57 AM
I just want the story to not be as terrible as FF8 and the combat not as boring as FF12.

Is that too much to ask?

I liked the story to FF8 and the combat to FF12 so I guess yes.

+1
I dislike the orphanage twist as much as anyone but that's not enough to ruin the brilliance of other plot threads.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on May 01, 2014, 01:58:16 PM
I just want the story to not be as terrible as FF8 and the combat not as boring as FF12.

Is that too much to ask?

I liked the story to FF8 and the combat to FF12 so I guess yes.

+1
I dislike the orphanage twist as much as anyone but that's not enough to ruin the brilliance of other plot threads.

Like the assassination plot or NORG....

Also FFXII had the right idea (re: Xenoblade), but it stuck too closely to the MMO mechanics of FFXI.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on May 01, 2014, 02:26:29 PM
Yeah, I have to agree that the plot of FF8 was kind of not good. Just a bunch of loose plot elements thrown together into something only mildly coherent. The worst bit to me was the whole thing with Rinoa getting taken over by Ultimecia which would mean she's also a sorceress except that fact stays relevant for only as long as it takes the party to rescue her.

Pretty much describes every plot element in the game, it only contributes to the story until the story no longer needs it to contribute.

If FFXII's battle system was too much like FFXI's, then magic might actually be worth a damn. As it stands, its pretty dull unless you play on Active Mode with limited gambits, but then the later fights become impossible.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on May 01, 2014, 02:47:46 PM
Yeah, I have to agree that the plot of FF8 was kind of not good. Just a bunch of loose plot elements thrown together into something only mildly coherent. The worst bit to me was the whole thing with Rinoa getting taken over by Ultimecia which would mean she's also a sorceress except that fact stays relevant for only as long as it takes the party to rescue her.

Pretty much describes every plot element in the game, it only contributes to the story until the story no longer needs it to contribute.

If FFXII's battle system was too much like FFXI's, then magic might actually be worth a damn. As it stands, its pretty dull unless you play on Active Mode with limited gambits, but then the later fights become impossible.

Buffs were worth a damn because they persisted out of battle. But yeah, the system kinda handled magic really badly due to needing to query it, charge it, then wait for the system to say its okay for spells to be fired now which lead to instances where enemies/bosses would just stand their punching your face in while your Curaga spells just sat there in the queries mocking you and your slow horrible death at the hands of the system abusing an engine exploit to beat you. Also, the Pailing. Fuck the Pailing and fuck you Zodiark for spamming it like a motherfucker!

Although admittedly, that part of the engine seems to have been inherited from X-2 rather than XI.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Darilon on May 01, 2014, 03:06:02 PM
I just want the story to not be as terrible as FF8 and the combat not as boring as FF12.

Is that too much to ask?

I liked the story to FF8 and the combat to FF12 so I guess yes.

+1
I dislike the orphanage twist as much as anyone but that's not enough to ruin the brilliance of other plot threads.

Like the assassination plot or NORG....

I actually really liked Disk 1 all the way up to the end of it. It all really started going higgledy piggledy from the start of disk 2 onwards for me. I had issues with some aspects of the assassination plot like why the hell did they have Irvine and the backup sniper at the same place but nothing major about any of disk 1 bugged me.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on May 01, 2014, 03:41:07 PM
Yeah, I have to agree that the plot of FF8 was kind of not good. Just a bunch of loose plot elements thrown together into something only mildly coherent. The worst bit to me was the whole thing with Rinoa getting taken over by Ultimecia which would mean she's also a sorceress except that fact stays relevant for only as long as it takes the party to rescue her.

Pretty much describes every plot element in the game, it only contributes to the story until the story no longer needs it to contribute.

If FFXII's battle system was too much like FFXI's, then magic might actually be worth a damn. As it stands, its pretty dull unless you play on Active Mode with limited gambits, but then the later fights become impossible.

Why would they continue to refer that she was a sorceress? Was there any reason to? Does the game have to scream, hey you are a sorceress every second after the issue is resolved?
Obviously the fact that she was a sorceress was kept a secret from the general public or she would be ostracized otherwise. The information that she is a sorceress is safe with her friends and Laguna, the president of Esthar.
Ultimecia was a product of the discrimination against sorceresses, hated and driven mad by her contemporaries disdain against her resulting in her isolation and lonelyness(not to mention the prophecy that she was going to be killed by the legendary SeeD).. She ended up perpetuating her suffering by unwillingly establishing the loop of her own failure.

As far as NORG goes.. It's an inoffensive plot thread, is it the fact that he is a big yellow fat thing that annoys people lol?
He comes from the Shumi Village, a village full of those beings and they are established as having sentience and intelligence. It's just a different species I don't see anythng wrong with it.

FF8 is a weird game, I'll give you that but it's more quirky aspects don't affect me at all.

Oh also regarding the assassination failure.. Irvine was the only one who hadn't used GF's up until he met the party so he still had memories of the orphanage, he hesitated in killing Edea because he still remembered her as their matron, their mother essentially... so yeah there you go.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Starmongoose on May 01, 2014, 04:09:26 PM
Re assassination attemt: More importantly why did they feel the need to drop massive gates, totally giving away the fact that shenanigans were afoot and giving Edea time to put up the shields.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on May 01, 2014, 04:44:29 PM
As far as NORG goes.. It's an inoffensive plot thread, is it the fact that he is a big yellow fat thing that annoys people lol?
He comes from the Shumi Village, a village full of those beings and they are established as having sentience and intelligence. It's just a different species I don't see anythng wrong with it.

Less that he exists at all and more 'why is he trying to call the shots/pull the plug on Cid's operation now/living in Garden's basement?'. At best, you could say that he was woefully inept at that whole 'usurper' thing he was trying to pull, but its more likely that the writers just wanted to toss in a divided factions/questionable allegiances sort of thing like the whole SHIELD versus HYDRA thing going on in the Marvel Movie-verse right now but didn't bother putting in any effort beyond "Are you with Cid or NORG?" (especially since after you take out NORG that's the last you ever hear from his supporters, and outside of the masked dudes, everybody was still there and carrying on like nothing ever happened).

Additional plot threads of questionable quality: The Prison Break sequence, the White SeeDs, Rujinn and Fuyinn jacking Balmb (not the Garden, the Town where Zell grew up in).
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Post by: Holykael1 on May 01, 2014, 04:44:45 PM
Re assassination attemt: More importantly why did they feel the need to drop massive gates, totally giving away the fact that shenanigans were afoot and giving Edea time to put up the shields.

You mean this? http://youtu.be/Zuc62lLk6kQ?t=13m46s
That was part of the show, it was a planned thing, don't forget that SeeD was being helped by Rinoa's father who knows everything about the parade and probably had a hand in it's design for strategic purposes.

As far as NORG goes.. It's an inoffensive plot thread, is it the fact that he is a big yellow fat thing that annoys people lol?
He comes from the Shumi Village, a village full of those beings and they are established as having sentience and intelligence. It's just a different species I don't see anythng wrong with it.

Less that he exists at all and more 'why is he trying to call the shots/pull the plug on Cid's operation now/living in Garden's basement?'. At best, you could say that he was woefully inept at that whole 'usurper' thing he was trying to pull, but its more likely that the writers just wanted to toss in a divided factions/questionable allegiances sort of thing like the whole SHIELD versus HYDRA thing going on in the Marvel Movie-verse right now but didn't bother putting in any effort beyond "Are you with Cid or NORG?" (especially since after you take out NORG that's the last you ever hear from his supporters, and outside of the masked dudes, everybody was still there and carrying on like nothing ever happened).

Additional plot threads of questionable quality: The Prison Break sequence, the White SeeDs, Rujinn and Fuyinn jacking Balmb (not the Garden, the Town where Zell grew up in).

"After the assassination attempt the sorceress is furious. She orders Balamb Garden and Trabia Garden destroyed while she takes Galbadia Garden for herself. NORG is furious at Martine for revealing Balamb Garden's part in the plan. He decides to do all he can in order to calm the sorceress's wrath and intends to hand over those involved in the assassination to show the Garden's sincerity. Cid refuses to do so, and as a result, an all-out war breaks out between those who side with NORG, and those who side with the Headmaster.

NORGs cocoon
NORG's cocoon after being defeated.
After losing the battle, NORG summons Squall and his party to his chambers and explains his fear of the sorceress and his plan to hand them over to her in order to save "his" Garden. When Squall refuses to obey NORG and outright declares the Garden doesn't belong to him, NORG goes mad and, driven by obsession and selfishness, attacks the SeeDs. Defeated and despairing, NORG closes himself away in a cocoon-like form.

NORG isn't seen again after his defeat, but if the player visits NORG's chamber again, they can meet a couple of Shumi who intend to retrieve the cocoon and apologize for NORG's behavior. "

Basically he was afraid of the sorceress.

Why are those of questionable quality? If it's something to the same extent as NORG, it's probably beccause you already forgot a lot about the game. FF8 has a very cool kind of story structure in that a lot of the twists are foreshadowed way before they happen and if you don't make the connections after the twists happen you are not going to even understand the plot(many people still have no clue why Irvine failed to shoot Edea.. simply because when the orphanage twist happened they didn't think back to disc 1 to connect the dots), for example the fact that Irvine doesn't shoot Edea is an allusion to his memories of the orphanage. "Edea's" speech is an allusion to Ultimecia being in control and an establishment of her motivations:
"...Lowlifes. ...Shameless filthy wretches. How you celebrate
my ascension with such joy. Hailing the very one you have
condemned for generations. Have you no shame? What happened to
the evil, ruthless sorceress from your fantasies? The
cold-blooded tyrant that slaughtered countless men and destroyed
many nations? Where is she now? She stands before your very eyes
to become your new ruler"

it's kinda like the thing where Tifa lies about Cloud's memories being right when he falsely recalls them in Kalm. Her confusiion will only make sense later after you learn about the truth. FF8 story is basically a collection of that kind of storytelling, very subtle.

Oh wanna bring up why the crowd cheers as Edea openly threatens them. I got answers.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Starmongoose on May 01, 2014, 05:02:07 PM
Re assassination attemt: More importantly why did they feel the need to drop massive gates, totally giving away the fact that shenanigans were afoot and giving Edea time to put up the shields.

You mean this? http://youtu.be/Zuc62lLk6kQ?t=13m46s
That was part of the show, it was a planned thing, don't forget that SeeD was being helped by Rinoa's father who knows everything about the parade and probably had a hand in it's design for strategic purposes.


Edea looks super shocked when that gate falls if you ask me. It also makes no sense for the gates too fall, what good is a trapped float?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on May 01, 2014, 05:13:13 PM
Re assassination attemt: More importantly why did they feel the need to drop massive gates, totally giving away the fact that shenanigans were afoot and giving Edea time to put up the shields.

You mean this? http://youtu.be/Zuc62lLk6kQ?t=13m46s
That was part of the show, it was a planned thing, don't forget that SeeD was being helped by Rinoa's father who knows everything about the parade and probably had a hand in it's design for strategic purposes.


Edea looks super shocked when that gate falls if you ask me. It also makes no sense for the gates too fall, what good is a trapped float?


Well that was the backup plan. If Irvine failed to shoot her, they would trap her and try to kill her then, when I said show I meant the assassination plan not the show show xD. The shot she deflacted was after the initial failure and it was a last resort sort of thing, she was supposed to have been sniped earlier(without her knowing that she was being attacked ofc) but Irvine chickened out for reasons that were already talked about.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on May 01, 2014, 05:22:20 PM
Just because the game said why he does it, doesn't make what he does any less stupid. If shit's hitting the fan, then the first thing he should've been worried about was getting the fuck out of Garden. Especially if Galbadia has intercontinental ballistic missiles at their disposal and are in the midst of political upheaval/a coup (the ramifications of this are a whole 'nother social/political wall'o'text rigmarole I don't want to get into, especially since the game never did). Trying to make nice to an up and coming Sorceress by splitting the school in half was the worst possible thing he could've done at that point (good thing the school was also built upon mysterious ancient Centra ruins that not even Cid or NORG knew the purpose or functions of).

Also the gates came down first. That was the way the plan was intended to operate from the start (sure Quitis almost fucked that up by feeling bad about hurting Rinoa's feelings when she called her out on her bullshit, but fortunately she managed to find that secret tunnel leading directly to their designated assassination station, and all without having to be seen to boot).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on May 01, 2014, 05:32:01 PM
Just because the game said why he does it, doesn't make what he does any less stupid. If shit's hitting the fan, then the first thing he should've been worried about was getting the fuck out of Garden. Especially if Galbadia has intercontinental ballistic missiles at their disposal and are in the midst of political upheaval/a coup (the ramifications of this are a whole 'nother social/political wall'o'text rigmarole I don't want to get into, especially since the game never did). Trying to make nice to an up and coming Sorceress by splitting the school in half was the worst possible thing he could've done at that point (good thing the school was also built upon mysterious ancient Centra ruins that not even Cid or NORG knew the purpose or functions of).

Also the gates came down first. That was the way the plan was intended to operate from the start (sure Quitis almost fucked that up by feeling bad about hurting Rinoa's feelings when she called her out on her bullshit, but fortunately she managed to find that secret tunnel leading directly to their designated assassination station, and all without having to be seen to boot).

You are forgetting the fact that he left his village originally to make riches and his garden is basically his fortune and position of power, he wanted to have everything and it ended up costing both his life and his fortune/power. It's a typical tale of a greedy bastard. Don't see anything offensive or flawed about that, might be a little cliché but the fact that it's cliché doesn't impact the quality of the narrative, if anything it's less original than it could have been.
"NORG is a wealthy Shumi, but unlike his humble, good-natured race, NORG is proud, selfish, and cowardly."
"NORG left Shumi Village to pursue a life of riches. It is unclear whether NORG was banished from the village, or if he left on his own accord. NORG came to possess a large fortune, and it was his meeting with Cid Kramer that led to the Garden's establishment; at the time, Cid was seeking financial assistance, and NORG was interested and ended up pouring in his fortune to fund the project. To cover the Garden's expenses, NORG came up with the idea of hiring the SeeD out as mercenaries."

So yeah, anything else :P?

Hmm yeah I rewatched the scene, I guess you are right, the gates did come down first(I do apologize for the misinformation in this regard, it's been a while since I last played the game too). (1-1 I guess XD)
Their plan was clearly flawed, they are still young and inexperienced mercenaries(they had little field experience after graduating but they were also Balamb's most elite squad) and they were way too rash in their approach, they underestimated how powerful the sorceress actually is, not only were they not expecting her to deflect the shot but they also weren't expecting to get owned instantaneously by ice lances when approaching her in close combat. It's appropriate and fitting of Squall's overconfidence and growth both as a person and as a leader. Any way you look at it, it's possible to explain contextually why things happened the way they did. It's not like failed assassination plots/strategic war failures don't exist IRL too(be it poor planning or rashness and overconfidence or even both, it's not implausible for such a thing to happen)..
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on May 01, 2014, 07:15:00 PM
You do realize that it was Riona's dad who gave them that hot mess of a gameplan which was hatched in conjunction with Martine? Squall and co. simply carried out their roles as hired guns to the best of their ability (and despite their own fuckups the plan went off as 'intended', for a given definition of 'intended').
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on May 01, 2014, 07:20:08 PM
I keep thinking about other things here...
(http://www.internetcases.com/images/zapruder.jpg)

Ah well, at least FF8 made it flashy and pretty.  And included wonderful dancing.  And icicles.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on May 01, 2014, 07:21:55 PM
Well yeah. I guess Rinoa's father was just not aware of how powerful the Sorceress actually was, were it any other kind of human threat, the plan was actually not that bad, (It's why I used they, as in everyone involved in the plan), it's typical for the military types on fantasy works to always underestimate the supernatural and magical beings of their world, conjure that with a young rash team of mercenaries and BOOM.
Don't forget that after Irvine's failure, Squall still decided to charge ahead  against Seifer and Edea on his own(though he didn't have any other choice either I suppose, I don't remember if he was supposed to go on his own, correct me if Im wrong, either way the above explanation still works.), that's where the overconfidence and rashness plays in. It's fitting of the Leonheart name.
Lion, pride, whatever.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Starmongoose on May 01, 2014, 07:43:49 PM
I think it was part of the plan for Squall to charge at them. I remember something about them being insurance should Irvine fail his shot.

Also I don't think Martine could have misunderstood how powerful a Sorceress really is. Galbadia knew first hand how powerful she was, because they had already fought a war with Adel. The Sorceress War.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on May 01, 2014, 09:14:52 PM
I think it was part of the plan for Squall to charge at them. I remember something about them being insurance should Irvine fail his shot.

Also I don't think Martine could have misunderstood how powerful a Sorceress really is. Galbadia knew first hand how powerful she was, because they had already fought a war with Adel. The Sorceress War.

She only led her army, she probably didn't get her hands dirty with peasant wars.
Also remember the way they disposed of her, they froze her in space through a wacky Laguna plan, they never actually fought her.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Starmongoose on May 01, 2014, 09:23:27 PM
They froze her in space BECAUSE she was so powerful.

Hardly evidence to support that they didn't know what they were dealing with.

I'll discuss it with you in PM if you want (though not tonight, must sleep) , I think we derailed this thread enough.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on May 01, 2014, 09:25:03 PM
They froze her in space BECAUSE she was so powerful.

Hardly evidence to support that they didn't know what they were dealing with.

I'll discuss it with you in PM if you want (though not tonight, must sleep) , I think we derailed this thread enough.

Meh, it's a pointless cause, I havent played the game in years. I'll gladly reignite this issue when I get around to replaying it. I might even make a thread related to the entirety of the FF8 storyline. It was fun though :P
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on May 01, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
Man it seems like everyone on this forum has one major button they don't like being pushed. Except me, because I'm awesome like that ;)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 01, 2014, 10:40:03 PM
from FFXV News (http://finalfantasy-xv-news.tumblr.com/) (Tumblr):

Omnis Lacrima Latin-to-English Translation (http://finalfantasy-xv-news.tumblr.com/post/80801032316/omnis-lacrima-latin-to-english-translation)

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(http://24.media.tumblr.com/b4861d282761b3ff701fae9c714b6ced/tumblr_mt8aavVrR21siv3gmo1_500.png)

"No matter where you are in the world map, you can always know where the other characters are. Each one has a different symbol."

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/cb61ad6f9e80e2042084e6d4eb6cc0c9/tumblr_mt8u6j05wc1siv3gmo1_500.png)

"Are cactuars returning in FINAL FANTASY XV?"

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1f8cfe21eea48afe1095382dc6227bda/tumblr_n2ciam8Azq1siv3gmo1_500.jpg)

"Human blood is apparently blue (or at least these enemies' blood), but Noctis' is red."
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on May 02, 2014, 04:56:02 AM
Man it seems like everyone on this forum has one major button they don't like being pushed. Except me, because I'm awesome like that ;)

Are you sure you don't have one :P?
One day it will surface.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on May 02, 2014, 12:30:56 PM
GOOOOOOOD I cannot wait to play this game.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 05, 2014, 07:10:44 PM
Where Final Fantasy Went Wrong, and How Square Enix is Putting It Right (http://www.usgamer.net/articles/where-final-fantasy-went-wrong-and-how-square-enix-is-righting-it) (by Jeremy Parish) -- USgamer

A bit sensationalistic at first, but overall I recommend everyone to read this article.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on May 05, 2014, 07:37:21 PM
Very interesting. Lays bare the concerns for the future, but also the recent successes well.

People will be pissed that XV has an action RPG battle system like KH, but there's no changing that.

If it's a fun game, I'm all for that. I want some narrative nuance, though. That's my main concern.
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Post by: AuraChannelerChris on May 05, 2014, 08:09:56 PM
I want a Cactuar cactus. Badly.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 06, 2014, 01:17:58 AM
Very interesting. Lays bare the concerns for the future, but also the recent successes well.

People will be pissed that XV has an action RPG battle system like KH, but there's no changing that.

If it's a fun game, I'm all for that. I want some narrative nuance, though. That's my main concern.

Don't worry. Those who proudly use their Noctis avatars and act all high and mighty will defend XV and trash XIII and many others installments in the series along with the staff of SQEX and anyone who thinks different than them for many years to come.

All I care about is for XV to be an entertaining fast-paced Action RPG with high production values. I already don't have any kind expectation for the plot because I'm not a fan of most of the work Kazushige Nojima has done with FF in the past as a scenario writer.

However, is important to notice that Nojima is responsable for the FNC mythos, so maybe something good comes out of that in the end.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on June 06, 2014, 12:26:56 PM
FF XV won't be at E3

"- But seriously, information on Final Fantasy XV will be at E3, right?

Hashimoto: Well, first I’d like to say that development for FFXV is going well. Internally, we try to ascertain the best timing for revealing new information about FFXV to the fans. So when we were going over our promotion plans, we judged that this year’s E3 would not be the best time to exhibit information about FFXV. Instead we are currently planning to exhibit new information at events after E3 2014. I am extremely grateful to all the fans who excitedly anticipate FFXV, and I’m looking forward to share new information when the timing is right. I would appreciate if fans hold out until then."

Source - Famitsu interview translation
http://sqex.info/shinji-hashimoto-interview-kh3-ffxv-skip-e3-2014/

I am disappoint

Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: fenryo on June 06, 2014, 12:58:10 PM
No they say we will have nothing about it in E3.
This game is like the perfect Action RPG ever for me
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on June 06, 2014, 02:16:35 PM
FF XV won't be at E3

"- But seriously, information on Final Fantasy XV will be at E3, right?

Hashimoto: Well, first I’d like to say that development for FFXV is going well. Internally, we try to ascertain the best timing for revealing new information about FFXV to the fans. So when we were going over our promotion plans, we judged that this year’s E3 would not be the best time to exhibit information about FFXV. Instead we are currently planning to exhibit new information at events after E3 2014. I am extremely grateful to all the fans who excitedly anticipate FFXV, and I’m looking forward to share new information when the timing is right. I would appreciate if fans hold out until then."

Source - Famitsu interview translation
http://sqex.info/shinji-hashimoto-interview-kh3-ffxv-skip-e3-2014/

I am disappoint



The tl;dr: "Screw E3. TGS is where its at!".
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: fenryo on June 06, 2014, 03:06:50 PM
yeah it sucks.
I am making nightmare about the programming hell of their battle system.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 06, 2014, 07:16:45 PM
Hashimoto: "We judged that this year's E3 would not be the best time to exhibit information about FFXV."

Come on now, this kind of statement is bullshit. They are just buying time at this point.
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Post by: Dice on June 06, 2014, 08:07:45 PM
(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad20/Toxitoxi1/itsbeen3000years_zps3fe7d8fb.png)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Cyril on June 06, 2014, 08:23:52 PM
Is anyone really surprised that the meatier info is at TGS?  That's how it's always been.  Announcements at E3 if we're lucky, then info from Japanese events.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on June 06, 2014, 08:49:47 PM
^That logic would be acceptable last year. They had an entire year to prepare something substantial for E3 to let people satisfied, anything really.
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Post by: Zendervai on June 06, 2014, 09:39:30 PM
I just realized. Deus Ex Human Revolution has a poster for Final Fantasy XXVII in the year 2027. That would require a release yearly, including this year.

Aaand it just clicked why it's number 27. Because that's the year it takes place in.
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Post by: Yoda on June 06, 2014, 11:30:15 PM
Is anyone really surprised that the meatier info is at TGS?  That's how it's always been.  Announcements at E3 if we're lucky, then info from Japanese events.

Wasn't next to nothing revealed last year at TGS?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 06, 2014, 11:56:32 PM
Wasn't next to nothing revealed last year at TGS?

After E3 of last year they edited the same trailer only showing a few seconds of new footage for TGS '13 and Thailand Comic Con 2014.
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Post by: Aeolus on June 07, 2014, 04:19:45 PM
Something tells me that if Squeenix announces anything this E3, it's going to be the follow up to this (http://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=16969).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 07, 2014, 06:43:47 PM
Something tells me that if Squeenix announces anything this E3, it's going to be the follow up to this (http://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=16969).

*shrug* Like anyone cares anymore...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on June 08, 2014, 02:15:01 AM
Something tells me that if Squeenix announces anything this E3, it's going to be the follow up to this (http://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=16969).

*shrug* Like anyone cares anymore...

Maaan, you wouldn't know a good joke if it's dismembered head fell into your lap.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 08, 2014, 02:26:49 AM
Maaan, you wouldn't know a good joke if it's dismembered head fell into your lap.

There's nothing funny about Nojima's ability (or lack thereof if you prefer) as a writer.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 12, 2014, 04:12:56 AM
Final Fantasy XV's main programmer has left Square Enix (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/08/final-fantasy-xvs-main-programmer-may-have-left-square-enix/) -- Nova Crystallis

Old news (but still news) for anybody that missed this like I did.

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Removed all of the trailers from the OP. Despite of what I said here (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=14338.msg341300#msg341300) is better that anyone post anything related to XV as the thread goes on.*
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Post by: Dice on September 17, 2014, 02:16:46 AM
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2014/09/17/final-fantasy-xv-demo-episode-duscae.aspx
Allegedly we'll see a demo of FF15 sometime next year! 

...And it has a fancy name: "Episode Duscae".
Yay!  Things happening!
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Post by: Yggdrasil on September 17, 2014, 02:52:51 AM
(http://media1.gameinformer.com/filestorage/CommunityServer.Components.SiteFiles/imagefeed/featured/square-enix2014/finalfantasy/XV/ffxvdemo610.jpg)

Demo drops later, but Type-0 HD comes out the same day supposedly MGSV: TPP is released. With that and all the other stuff I'm genuinely more interested I'll stay away from FF for some time. Probably a long time I think.

Though, is like I've said in some thread here a while ago; The train for Type-0 and XV already came and went for me. I honestly feel nothing over this news even though I'm having fun seeing people in a bunch of sites exploding with excitement.

SQEX is blessed to have the fans they have.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on September 17, 2014, 08:09:46 AM
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2014/09/17/final-fantasy-xv-demo-episode-duscae.aspx
Allegedly we'll see a demo of FF15 sometime next year! 

...And it has a fancy name: "Episode Duscae".
Yay!  Things happening!

You know, if FFXIII-1 is anything to go by, then it means that Squeenix is finally actually putting the game together instead of just endlessly cranking out art resources and assets. Hopefully they'll do a better job of sewing the final product together this time versus the slapdash job they did on XIII-1.
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Post by: Dice on September 17, 2014, 02:37:19 PM
(http://media1.gameinformer.com/filestorage/CommunityServer.Components.SiteFiles/imagefeed/featured/square-enix2014/finalfantasy/XV/ffxvdemo610.jpg)

Demo drops later, but Type-0 HD comes out the same day supposedly MGSV: TPP is released. With that and all the other stuff I'm genuinely more interested I'll stay away from FF for some time. Probably a long time I think.

Though, is like I've said in some thread here a while ago; The train for Type-0 and XV already came and went for me. I honestly feel nothing over this news even though I'm having fun seeing people in a bunch of sites exploding with excitement.

SQEX is blessed to have the fans they have.

Years of patience for J-titles and the occasional disappointment has taught me to delay hype till like a week before release. 

Nevertheless, I'm curious as hell for FF15 and hope it is worth the long wait (haaaah prolly' not).

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2014/09/17/final-fantasy-xv-demo-episode-duscae.aspx
Allegedly we'll see a demo of FF15 sometime next year! 

...And it has a fancy name: "Episode Duscae".
Yay!  Things happening!

You know, if FFXIII-1 is anything to go by, then it means that Squeenix is finally actually putting the game together instead of just endlessly cranking out art resources and assets. Hopefully they'll do a better job of sewing the final product together this time versus the slapdash job they did on XIII-1.

I'm hoping the years of radio silence is because they just been developing.  Certainly the first reveal for 15, like 7-freaking-years-ago was like "HEY, WE GOT A COOL CG CUTSCENE... AND THATS ABOUT IT.  PLEASE BE EXCITED".
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Post by: Taelus on September 17, 2014, 03:33:09 PM
The delay in info since the rereveal is totally unsurprising, to me. They probably scrapped most of the game when they retitled it, if not more than once. The game has not literally been in continuous full development for ten years, and I seriously can't understand why people think that is the case. It's been started, scrapped, and canceled, is the most likely scenario. That's a GOOD thing. Why continue work on a project not living up to standards or with fifty different people having helmed it?That leads to the kind of confused focus that plagued XII and XIII. Starting fresh means they aren't beholden to bad, outdated, or incongruous ideas. This unfortunately means there isn't something to show for a while, but again-- who cares as long as the game benefits from it whenever we ultimately have to pay for it?

As for me, I haven't been "waiting" for it. I feel like that whole argument is sort of silly. Why build up impossible "will it live up to the wait" expectations, when instead you can say "hey this has taken a while," ignore it, and then when it comes out, enjoy it for the game it ends up being? I don't understand "my hype train has passed and now I don't care." If it comes out and it's a good game, why does how long it took to come out matter in any fashion? It's not like following it has cost anyone anything more than some time.

Plus, Tabata. It's going to be good.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 17, 2014, 04:47:12 PM
I'm gonna kinda go down another path here...so bear with me (or skip completely)...

The only thing that really worries me about FF15...or games these days is it feels like they're a bit more style than substance.  Graphics for Final Fantasy 15 already look 12/10 good, the music is in capable hands, and the battle system (given the people working on it) will likely impress me and I *love* what I see so far (though a bit rocky, admittedly).  I'm worried the need for cool and pretty cutscenes will get in the way of those, perhaps, slower but more exposition-oriented or nonchalant character scenes get lost making the game feels somewhat serious.

FF13 made it so it was kinda hard to just chat with your party members say the way Final Fantasy 7 did. FFX made it so you could have some dialogue with party members, but it wouldn't be before long before they were done and would repeat the last line they said.

Tales of Symphonia and Abyss had plots that might have ran on too long; but you get a *lot* out of characters and a ton of world description (FF13 made it so a lot of this exposition was available in the Datalog, a pre-game novella, and the occasional bits from the characters).  There was also less pressure in older games, mid 2000's and prior, to have voice work.  Trails in the Sky (and that entire series) lets characters ramble on as much as they want because it's so easy for their type of game to just let the text do the talking.  Xenoblade as well because it made less-impressive quest dialogue and 'heart-to-'hearts' an interesting part of the world they created. 

This is sort of something I feel doesn't get much talk about with respect to game stories is the "downtime" in games.  Action is definitely a big piece of any game, but so is that lighter, non-threatening downtime that really, IMO, solidifies a character and plot if that is indeed an important aspect of the game that's being sold.

I'm not trying to say that bigger, AAA, titles have less impressive worlds or plots, or have a worse time selling these things to the player (certainly there are examples outside the box, like The Last of Us which I think sold the dires of post-apocalyptic life and the relationship between its leads), but just that something has changed.  The only part of FF15 that worries me, is that the super beautiful and super cool cutscenes aren't more than skin-deep and I have more than just gameplay to look forward to and its not as big a disjointed mess of some of the more recent Final Fantasy titles (or some of the titles I've liked a little less).
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Post by: Taelus on September 17, 2014, 04:56:06 PM
Short response: I agree. FF needs character moments back. They make a story worth telling.
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Post by: Dice on September 17, 2014, 05:13:11 PM

As for me, I haven't been "waiting" for it. I feel like that whole argument is sort of silly. Why build up impossible "will it live up to the wait" expectations, when instead you can say "hey this has taken a while," ignore it, and then when it comes out, enjoy it for the game it ends up being? I don't understand "my hype train has passed and now I don't care." If it comes out and it's a good game, why does how long it took to come out matter in any fashion? It's not like following it has cost anyone anything more than some time.

Plus, Tabata. It's going to be good.

ALSO.  Just as an addendum (I love that word even though it doesn't really belong here)

I agree.  Games should take their time (I'm sure Bungie is thinking a bit of the same right now given the somewhat lukewarm Destiny reactions).  What I do find irritating is the radio silence about the matter.  Almost anything could have been said, daresay mention "We [SquareEnix] are trying new things to deliver the best product we can", would have been better than their usual response of "Not this year! Maybe TGS next year" or whatever else.  People like news!  But you're right, really it doesn't amount to much more than some spilt ink on the Internet and a few minutes of reading some game news.

In terms of the "hype machine" created by this thing.  Well, not to speak for Yggdrasil, but I'm sure he's got more posts in here than most of us do, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't really read into his "not hyped" post as merely being a symptom of something else (perhaps a mix of caution and patience that won't amount till much till the game's actual release).  Not just speaking for Ygg, but a lot of people seem pretty nonchalant as well, myself included.  There's other things to do, books to read, music to listen to, drawings to draw....etcetera, etcetera, etcetera..... (http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/74/d7/10/74d710ee5394e39389a6302ac7ac71f1.jpg)

Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on September 17, 2014, 05:19:01 PM
My hype for FFXV died a long time ago.
If they want me, they'll have to reconquer me like an old lover left on the wayside.
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Post by: Taelus on September 17, 2014, 06:00:20 PM
Things to draw? You mean like awesome Zidane avatars for your favorite RPGFan editors?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on September 17, 2014, 06:53:08 PM
If they want to get me hyped about FFXV again then all they need to do is make a good game.  I'm with Taelus on this.  It's been a long road...but so what?  It's not like I wake up every morning going "where's FFXV now?!".  It hasn't really affected me.

Incidentally I feel the same way about The Last Guardian.

Now of course there are people who ran out to buy PS3s when they saw the FFvXIII trailer and then were probably disappointed when the game got delayed so much it's not even on PS3 anymore.  But if there's a lesson from that it's, "don't buy systems for games that aren't out yet, or don't even have a definite release date".  I mean heck, stuff gets canceled all the time.  Let's try to be smart consumers.
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Post by: Taelus on September 17, 2014, 06:53:50 PM
+1
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 17, 2014, 08:17:26 PM
I won't have any money or care about FF by the time Type-0 HD is out. Especially with all of the titles I'm interested from October to March.

Bloodborne is the only Japanese RPG I'm anticipating. Aside from that, I would like to see what's going on with the Deus Ex: Universe project and Cyberpunk 2077.

Edited for clarity.*
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Post by: Kevadu on September 17, 2014, 09:33:28 PM
New Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT3dyanB3pk)

Also, Nomura has officially stepped down as director and Tabata is taking over.

It definitely looks more like a real game in this trailer.  There's less of the crazy flying around stuff we say before...which is probably for the best.  It looked cool but realistically I never really understood how you were supposed to control it.  This looks like an action RPG.  Less revolutionary, sure, but also easier to see how it will actually play.
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Post by: Parn on September 17, 2014, 09:49:48 PM
Going to go ahead and say it: the game's visuals are thematically all over the place.  What the fuck is even going on.  You have members of NSync riding around in a cadillac who drive by a giant fucking turtle, a turtle that I guess never bothers to travel anywhere near any modern architecture that you see in the far off distance because such a giant creature would make it impossible to build anything that would last, and then the boyband occasionally hops out and fights some bad guys that are dressed in medieval-like armor?

Seriously like, what the hell.  I've played a lot of JRPGs with characters using swords in modern settings and whatever else that doesn't make sense, and I just play them anyway because it's usually a "who cares, it's fun" kind of thing, but this game takes it to 11.  There's just something about this game's presentation that is rubbing me the wrong way.  It continues to not help that all of the main characters are dudes.  I mean, I like dudes, but girls are pretty cool too, you know?

Eh, I'm done rambling.  For now anyway.  Think I'll go play some more Final Fantasy XIV in the meantime.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on September 17, 2014, 09:51:38 PM
I'm... that was... I mean....

Wow.

They certainly haven't lost their touch for spectacle.

AND DAT MUSIC!

Thank you for sharing that, this game is actually back in my sights. The group still looks basically like Japanese Entourage, but after seeing that trailer I think the cast might grow on me.
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Post by: Kevadu on September 17, 2014, 09:59:02 PM
Going to go ahead and say it: the game's visuals are thematically all over the place.  What the fuck is even going on.  You have members of NSync riding around in a cadillac who drive by a giant fucking turtle, a turtle that I guess never bothers to travel anywhere near any modern architecture that you see in the far off distance because such a giant creature would make it impossible to build anything that would last, and then the boyband occasionally hops out and fights some bad guys that are dressed in medieval-like armor?

Well, I don't actually know the story but from the character's reactions I strongly suspect that the giant turtle thing isn't something that normally appears...so I'm not buying your complaint about the architecture.

I'll grand you the random dudes in medieval armor, though.  That didn't make much sense...


And Klutz, I totally agree about the music.  Of course this is just a short trailer, but that was really good.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Parn on September 17, 2014, 10:10:27 PM
Fair enough about the turtle, but replace them with the dinosaurs you see in the trailer.  I'm looking through NeoGAF and it's clear I'm not alone on my... confusion over the visual direction.  And maybe this is related to the sudden change in lead directors, but it feels like the game doesn't have someone in charge saying "no, you can't put that in the game because it doesn't make sense."

I just looked at some promotional artwork of the boyband standing around grilling.  This is one of the strangest games I've ever seen.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 17, 2014, 10:19:59 PM
I'm... that was... I mean....

Wow.

They certainly haven't lost their touch for spectacle.

AND DAT MUSIC!

Thank you for sharing that, this game is actually back in my sights. The group still looks basically like Japanese Entourage, but after seeing that trailer I think the cast might grow on me.

My god that was a rad trailer. Can't wait to play this. MUSIC
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Post by: Rucks on September 17, 2014, 10:22:15 PM
Going to go ahead and say it: the game's visuals are thematically all over the place.  What the fuck is even going on.  You have members of NSync riding around in a cadillac who drive by a giant fucking turtle, a turtle that I guess never bothers to travel anywhere near any modern architecture that you see in the far off distance because such a giant creature would make it impossible to build anything that would last, and then the boyband occasionally hops out and fights some bad guys that are dressed in medieval-like armor?

Seriously like, what the hell.  I've played a lot of JRPGs with characters using swords in modern settings and whatever else that doesn't make sense, and I just play them anyway because it's usually a "who cares, it's fun" kind of thing, but this game takes it to 11.  There's just something about this game's presentation that is rubbing me the wrong way.  It continues to not help that all of the main characters are dudes.  I mean, I like dudes, but girls are pretty cool too, you know?

Eh, I'm done rambling.  For now anyway.  Think I'll go play some more Final Fantasy XIV in the meantime.

stop being so persnickety. from the looks of it this was a pretty rough demo that was probably rushed into production so whiny fans would calm the hell down for a minute.  it's basically just a "clip show" of what is to come so of course it will be all over the place.  
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 17, 2014, 10:24:24 PM
New Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT3dyanB3pk)

Just dropping info so you guys are aware:

Hajime Tabata: "XV is a road trip kind of movie and adventure that focuses on brotherhood." (* (http://kotaku.com/eight-big-final-fantasy-type-0-hd-questions-answered-1628600728))

Another theme that has been hinted at with XV for the longest time has been 'Tragedy'.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on September 17, 2014, 10:35:34 PM
And now I'm wondering if the driving will feel any good...
Not a question I ever thought I'd ask myself about a FF game.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 17, 2014, 10:43:13 PM
And now I'm wondering if the driving will feel any good...

Don't worry, Polyphony Digital will take care of the driving.

EDIT: lmao (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=130517501&postcount=1102)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on September 17, 2014, 11:32:40 PM
And now I'm wondering if the driving will feel any good...
Not a question I ever thought I'd ask myself about a FF game.

Not sure how driving will be any different from the rank and file chocobo/airship you get in previous FF titles
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 17, 2014, 11:55:16 PM
Parn calling the 'boyz' N'Sync had me laugh. xD

Yeaaaaaah I don't really now what to make of it (with respect to that direction it took).  The combat doesn't look too smooth if it's an action-RPG at the moment and I'm not really sure what to make of the Final Bro Fantasy travelling across the country and duking it out with the local enemies in their souped up BMW.... Did NOT expect that.

It's also like someone saw the Xenoblade II trailer and got a major hard-on for it cuz this trailer looked kinda familiar.

The music and graphics were phenomenal (could not tell what, if anything, was CG or not); and the music is Shimomura-calibur (awesome).  I liked how the party interacts with each other DURING combat and teleporting looks fun as hell.  But between that BIG E3 trailer we saw last year and this trailer here.... you can really tell the director's changed?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 18, 2014, 12:07:50 AM
I like it for one simple reason. It looks like it focuses on the characters, not on OMG FALCLIE MELODRAMA RAGNAORPHANCRADLEPRAETORIUS MANAVIN GOD REBIRTH WORLD LIGHTINGIUNGU.

Seriously, though. Think about how much humanity has been missing from FF casts in the XIII titles. The concept render for this game has them GRILLING, ffs. That's something people do. If nothing else, realize that this game has a tone and a thematic and is now actually FOCUSED on something. I couldn't be happier with that trailer. Also, look at early-game KH2 combat compared to late-game. It's like night and day, and I'd be shocked if this weren't similar.

Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 18, 2014, 12:12:03 AM
I like it for one simple reason. It looks like it focuses on the characters, not on OMG FALCLIE MELODRAMA RAGNAORPHANCRADLEPRAETORIUS MANAVIN GOD REBIRTH WORLD LIGHTINGIUNGU.

Seriously, though. Think about how much humanity has been missing from FF casts in the XIII titles. The concept render for this game has them GRILLING, ffs. That's something people do. If nothing else, realize that this game has a tone and a thematic and is now actually FOCUSED on something. I couldn't be happier with that trailer. Also, look at early-game KH2 combat compared to late-game. It's like night and day, and I'd be shocked if this weren't similar.



Given my earlier rant, yeah I was thinking the same thing.  I'm glad this was just a character trailer.  The characters themselves, on the other hand still need some work.... Actually, I'll just say I want the blonde one dead for being noisy.

... (even after having played the game, FF13's basic plot summary is still wordy as hell (http://archive.na.square-enix.com//ff13/#/content/Story/0))

As far as how she was animated and modelled, Stella looks better than ever (like holy crap wow (http://i2.minus.com/ivOWodEo4S00x.png), that necklace and dress are something I'd want).  Design-wise I mourn the old look (DAMN I love that slightly crazier and untamed hair)...
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/10c0e8e11115e71b61e14bed9dd65b35/tumblr_msly70K7J01rqldd7o1_400.png)

EDIT:
http://squareportal.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/key_art.jpg
Here's that super chill splash image from the main site.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 18, 2014, 01:06:27 AM
Ignoring the game itself altogether (like I've been doing it for a while now) and talking for a bit about the design of the characters, this is all I can add:

I don't miss the more realistic and mature Stella. Why? Because I see the same Stella they have always shown but improved for the benefit of the game in the long run. And that also goes for the rest of the cast.

I'm still not buying the game, though.

The characters themselves, on the other hand still need some work.... Actually, I'll just say I want the blonde one dead for being noisy.

He most likely is the new Yuffie/Selphie/Rikku/Vanille.

---

I edited one of my previous post (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=12743.msg342087#msg342087) to make my point clearer. Just mentioning this quickly so it doesn't get lost.

I like it for one simple reason. It looks like it focuses on the characters, not on OMG FALCLIE MELODRAMA RAGNAORPHANCRADLEPRAETORIUS MANAVIN GOD REBIRTH WORLD LIGHTINGIUNGU.

Seriously, though. Think about how much humanity has been missing from FF casts in the XIII titles.

XIII was about character's emotions and all the lore that happens behind. If you didn't liked the presentation and direction they went with, well, you have a massive, passionate and loud as all hell crowd of people that also ended up in the same boat as you with the trilogy.

We don't need to repeat the cycle anymore to leave the point clear that you either enjoy XIII or you greatly dislike it.
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Post by: Hathen on September 18, 2014, 06:58:48 AM
Going to go ahead and say it: the game's visuals are thematically all over the place.  What the fuck is even going on.  You have members of NSync riding around in a cadillac who drive by a giant fucking turtle, a turtle that I guess never bothers to travel anywhere near any modern architecture that you see in the far off distance because such a giant creature would make it impossible to build anything that would last, and then the boyband occasionally hops out and fights some bad guys that are dressed in medieval-like armor?

Seriously like, what the hell.  I've played a lot of JRPGs with characters using swords in modern settings and whatever else that doesn't make sense, and I just play them anyway because it's usually a "who cares, it's fun" kind of thing, but this game takes it to 11.  There's just something about this game's presentation that is rubbing me the wrong way.  It continues to not help that all of the main characters are dudes.  I mean, I like dudes, but girls are pretty cool too, you know?

Eh, I'm done rambling.  For now anyway.  Think I'll go play some more Final Fantasy XIV in the meantime.

I haven't read up on anything about this game, just saw the first trailer way back, but wasn't one of the things described that Noctis and co are from some isolated kingdom? It could make some sense then. Still, even if it's justified in-universe, it still looks really odd. I honestly think it's that car that looks really out of place out of everything. If they were driving some weird sci-fantasy vehicle like the ones we saw in XIII it'd probably feel less weird.

As for the "all dudes" thing, I like female characters and all, but if was actually important to the plot/characters that all the main characters are male I'd rather they stick to that than sticking a female character in there just to say they did (especially annoying is when someone basically just writes a guy in a woman's body). The only problem is that I can't think of any case where the opposite happened.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on September 18, 2014, 08:19:32 AM
New Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT3dyanB3pk)

Also, Nomura has officially stepped down as director and Tabata is taking over.

It definitely looks more like a real game in this trailer.  There's less of the crazy flying around stuff we say before...which is probably for the best.  It looked cool but realistically I never really understood how you were supposed to control it.  This looks like an action RPG.  Less revolutionary, sure, but also easier to see how it will actually play.

You know, I would be down for playing National Lampoon's Final Fantasy, especially if they go whole hog and make Potions a metaphor for alcohol. "Sorry officer. I completely forgot about the Cerberus tied to the back bumper."
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Post by: Farron on September 18, 2014, 12:00:46 PM
What a trailer! I was speechless with the vistas shown.
Square does know how to make an awesome trailer!

Well, when we get Type-0 we'll finally get to see some of it first hand!
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Post by: Alisha on September 18, 2014, 12:23:14 PM
still looks like a sausage fest...given the complaints about that you'd think they of wanted to address that in the trailer...instead it seems they are trying to make a guy saves the girl type story....fail....
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Post by: Klutz64 on September 18, 2014, 01:12:42 PM
You know, the more I think about it the more I realize that an all male cast for a J-RPG would actually be a bit different and in a certain way a bit refreshing. I feel like a lot of RPGs tailor the story around a cast that features a relatively equal number of males and females, which can often lead to weak characters.

I feel like with FFXV they have a story they want to tell and it just so happens that it's a story about a Prince and his posse, who happen (realistically) to be all males. I don't know, the optimist in me just wants to believe that not being tied down by a balance of genders will result in better storytelling.
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Post by: Yoda on September 18, 2014, 01:16:54 PM
New Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT3dyanB3pk)

Also, Nomura has officially stepped down as director and Tabata is taking over.

It definitely looks more like a real game in this trailer.  There's less of the crazy flying around stuff we say before...which is probably for the best.  It looked cool but realistically I never really understood how you were supposed to control it.  This looks like an action RPG.  Less revolutionary, sure, but also easier to see how it will actually play.

I find it funny that the combat in this looks like Dragon Age 2, a game people queefed out about endlessly, but yet for FF to depart from strategic combat it's hailed as streamlining and fun. In Dragon Age people decree that it's dumbing down and appealing to a COD mindset.

Not saying you said this, specifically, just quoting for the trailer.
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Post by: Blace on September 18, 2014, 01:21:15 PM
New Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT3dyanB3pk)

Also, Nomura has officially stepped down as director and Tabata is taking over.

It definitely looks more like a real game in this trailer.  There's less of the crazy flying around stuff we say before...which is probably for the best.  It looked cool but realistically I never really understood how you were supposed to control it.  This looks like an action RPG.  Less revolutionary, sure, but also easier to see how it will actually play.

I find it funny that the combat in this looks like Dragon Age 2, a game people queefed out about endlessly, but yet for FF to depart from strategic combat it's hailed as streamlining and fun. In Dragon Age people decree that it's dumbing down and appealing to a COD mindset.

Not saying you said this, specifically, just quoting for the trailer.

Compared to Dragon Age Origins, I did feel like Dragon Age 2 was dumbed down a little... BUT it was still fun to me. We'll see what they do with FFXV, but I'm digging the more action oriented approach personally.
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Post by: Holykael1 on September 18, 2014, 01:56:12 PM
They want to make a brotherhood story, it's not about not having female characters because fuck you. It seems to fit their storyline concept. Why would they just shoehorn in a female character to tick a box.

It's not like FF is a series known to have representation issues either. Just look at the XIII series and X-2.
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Post by: Dice on September 18, 2014, 02:12:53 PM
I think the FF.series is like one of the last titles you could accuse of being sexist or poorly integrating females into their games. Most of them have had unique ladies (and even the"tough girl" types) for the longest time. I look forward to their direction with this, the more I see and think about it, the more I like it.
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Post by: Kevadu on September 18, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
I find it funny that the combat in this looks like Dragon Age 2, a game people queefed out about endlessly, but yet for FF to depart from strategic combat it's hailed as streamlining and fun. In Dragon Age people decree that it's dumbing down and appealing to a COD mindset.

Not saying you said this, specifically, just quoting for the trailer.

You are the first person I've heard compare it to Dragon Age 2.  I'm not seeing it.  I mean, other than in the really vague third-person-game-with-fantasy-elements sense, but there are a million games that fit in that category.  They clearly show some dodge rolling stuff which says direct-control action RPG to me.  Which Dragon Age 2 was not.

Besides, I like Dragon Age 2...but let's not go there...

(Also the combat in FF games was never really strategic in the first place)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on September 18, 2014, 03:21:31 PM
my ability to enjoy an rpg story hinges greatly on my ability to relate to one or more of the characters. wich is FAR less likely to occur in a male dominated cast. i get what they are trying to do but that doesnt mean i have to like it. im free to voice my opinion so fuck off.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Mickeymac92 on September 18, 2014, 03:48:54 PM
I like it for one simple reason. It looks like it focuses on the characters, not on OMG FALCLIE MELODRAMA RAGNAORPHANCRADLEPRAETORIUS MANAVIN GOD REBIRTH WORLD LIGHTINGIUNGU.

Seriously, though. Think about how much humanity has been missing from FF casts in the XIII titles. The concept render for this game has them GRILLING, ffs. That's something people do. If nothing else, realize that this game has a tone and a thematic and is now actually FOCUSED on something. I couldn't be happier with that trailer. Also, look at early-game KH2 combat compared to late-game. It's like night and day, and I'd be shocked if this weren't similar.



Oh man, I've been getting the same impression, man. I love the character focus. I'm hoping the combat does get crazier like it did in KH2 as well, though I kinda actually like the...deliberate movements. Even if it makes it feel clunky, I'd appreciate the idea that my weapons have weight so I'd need to make the most of my movements. Kinda like how Monster Hunter works. It just makes the game feel visceral.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 18, 2014, 04:03:53 PM
my ability to enjoy an rpg story hinges greatly on my ability to relate to one or more of the characters. wich is FAR less likely to occur in a male dominated cast. i get what they are trying to do but that doesnt mean i have to like it. im free to voice my opinion so fuck off.

Yeah, we know, and I do it too --- take it easy, no reason to be upset.  Hell I voice my opinion a lot too!

But even as a female gamer I have no problem with this.  I agree a game is wonderful when you can relate to a character; but I don't think it always have to be on basis of sex (I actually really related to Luke from Tales of the Abyss if I had to pick).  But if there's one thing the FF series has had its strong female characters, whether supporting or playable.  And the series has been several times not shy about putting their ladies in the lead.  Heck, FF13 was about its leading ladies.

It sucks this time around that it doesn't seem like a lady is *immediately* in the party; but I doubt the main party will also be limited to these four bros.  IIRC wasn't the series supposed to be a few installments long too (like 13 was)?  Stella has more than enough potential to join the party.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Prime Mover on September 18, 2014, 04:51:42 PM
Meh... I really didn't feel anything from watching the trailer. So little is shown, just a few dude bros driving around in a hoopty killing reptiles.

"All my friends drive a low rider"

The music was very boring, but it seemed like just one track, so we'll see. Way too classical for my taste... no bite. Half of it sounds like Johan Strauss (blech!). I'm finally playing Bravely Default (my gf had it for months) so I'm a bit spoiled though. The only thing I could never complain about in FFXIII was the music, and although I don't want more of the same, I loved how they constantly shifted and changed things up from installment to installment, and really went out there experimenting with new things. I don't care what style this is, but if they go at it with the same sense of adventure, I'll be happy. Unfortunately, this trailer does nothing to inspire that, so I'm dubious.

I was hoping my first real glimpse would be one of awe and amazement. This is about as far from it as I think I could feel without being truly disappointed.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: ZshadeZ on September 18, 2014, 05:03:03 PM
The biggest anticipation I have for this title is the possibility of a relatively quick PC release. With FF IV and soon FF XIII on Steam it looks like the PC focus is intensifying. I've never even been a fan of 13, but I preordered it to support moar FF on PC.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 18, 2014, 05:33:28 PM
Main theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8craCGpgs) for the fanbase of FFXV.

IIRC wasn't the series supposed to be a few installments long too (like 13 was)?

Yes, there is an interest to do that in the future.

Stella has more than enough potential to join the party.

Is still too soon to say that. Stella can end up like Aerith, or death in battle, or who knows what exactly will happen with her having a connection to Etro (which if you don't remember is the Goddess of Death in the FNC mythos).

She and Noctis share a connection with Etro, and part of the theme of 'Tragedy' I mentioned before has appeared to be related to both of them.

You can read more about her here (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Stella_Nox_Fleuret) to refresh your memory if you like.

---

Updated the OP with the change of directors.*
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on September 19, 2014, 06:35:48 AM
my ability to enjoy an rpg story hinges greatly on my ability to relate to one or more of the characters. wich is FAR less likely to occur in a male dominated cast. i get what they are trying to do but that doesnt mean i have to like it. im free to voice my opinion so fuck off.

Holy shit Ma'am, nobody is oppressing you. We were simply providing our own opinions, nobody was attacking/denying the right to your personal stance. Stay classy.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Tomara on September 19, 2014, 10:38:59 AM
Quote
But even as a female gamer I have no problem with this.  I agree a game is wonderful when you can relate to a character; but I don't think it always have to be on basis of sex (I actually really related to Luke from Tales of the Abyss if I had to pick).

Me too. I'm all for diversity, but me being able to relate to a character or not has very little to do with their gender or even age. It's more their personality, personal situation, that kind of stuff.

Anyway, that trailer? It's from the first few hours at most, right? Wanna bet half of the dude bro boyband will only be there for the first stretch? They look too similar. Final Fantasy (and JRPGs in general) are all about having a good mix of characters. There will be a young or woman or two, the token kid, the token old man and maybe something furry, because JRPG.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: EmeraldSword on September 19, 2014, 11:24:44 AM
There will be a young or woman or two, the token kid, the token old man and maybe something furry, because JRPG.

Don't forget token Cid! ;)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Tomara on September 19, 2014, 11:31:11 AM
Or perhaps Cid will be the kid! I mena, they seem to be getting younger with nearly every installment...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Raze on September 19, 2014, 02:07:09 PM
In 20 seconds, Roadtrip Turtle instantly made me interested where there really wasn't much interest before.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 19, 2014, 02:11:38 PM
In 20 seconds, Roadtrip Turtle instantly made me interested where there really wasn't much interest before.

My next Diablo III toon will officially be named Roadtrip Turtle
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 19, 2014, 07:16:01 PM
With not much going on TGS after the first day (for now), I've gone through some comparisons fans have made with screenshots. And it's interesting to see the advancements SQEX have made with XV thanks to the Luminous Engine.

(http://i.imgur.com/6smwFpW.png)

(original image (http://i5.minus.com/iGCJDZV8DW9hX.png))

Graphically since the trailer at E3 from last year the game does look better overall. But there's still clearly work to do.

That said, It has been hard for me to find useful information about the engine itself. I'd like to read more than what was been already said in most gaming blogs about the engine since I'm interested in these sort of things.

My next Diablo III toon will officially be named Roadtrip Turtle

"Toon."

@_@ I can't.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on September 19, 2014, 09:03:07 PM
"Toon."

@_@ I can't.

You can't play WoW?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on September 19, 2014, 09:33:48 PM
Oh, FFS, please not on this site!

The term "toon" did NOT originate in WoW.

Friggin' kids >.<

All in good fun
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on September 19, 2014, 09:57:24 PM
Clearly it originated in Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

...what are we talking about?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 19, 2014, 10:29:04 PM
Clearly it originated in Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

...what are we talking about?

Haha I was totally thinking Roger Rabbit too. Reference was lost on me otherwise
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on September 20, 2014, 10:20:24 AM
Turns out you hold a button to auto attack and you hold a button for a defensive stance and dodge everything in sight.. I'm sure there is more to the combat system but I do not like the sound of this.. I was hoping it would be KH style, seems like they changed it. This info was given at the tech demo shown yesterday by Tabata.
Might be similar to XII's combat system in some ways, or perhaps it takes some cues from LR.. who knows..

Tech Demo in question : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGYHpvvRHUA
The FFXV demonstration starts at 22:45

More details about Episode Duscae

Quote
From Type-0 livestream:
Duscae is a toponym, there's an area in the game world.
Demo length is about 1 hour, but players might play for about 3 hours.
There's gonna be a bit of overworld and a dungeon.
Car's in! Chocobos might also be.
No boss battles, because they're a big deal in the game.
Trying to make distribution date to be the same as Type 0 HD release date.
Ignis was driving in the trailer but you can do it yourself, or you can leave it on auto, so Noctis' friends will drive it for you.
Source:Neogaf (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=130855088&postcount=4926)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 20, 2014, 12:09:04 PM
Yeah, I'm a little iffy on 'hold button to make things happen' as well. Curious to hear more.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Parn on September 20, 2014, 12:27:27 PM
When you press hold a button, something awesome happens!

Please look forward to it.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on September 20, 2014, 01:07:42 PM
Turns out you hold a button to auto attack and you hold a button for a defensive stance and dodge everything in sight.. I'm sure there is more to the combat system but I do not like the sound of this.. I was hoping it would be KH style, seems like they changed it. This info was given at the tech demo shown yesterday by Tabata.
Might be similar to XII's combat system in some ways, or perhaps it takes some cues from LR.. who knows..

Tech Demo in question : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGYHpvvRHUA
The FFXV demonstration starts at 22:45

First of all, the hold down a button comment was for defense only, not attack.  I don't see any sign of an auto attack there.  There's a lot more going on there than you're giving credit for.  For one things the prompts are constantly changing between ぼうぎょ (defense) and こうげき (attack), seemingly corresponding to different targets.  It also changes into a fire spell at some point.  I have no idea what causes these prompts to change, it seems like a pretty important part of how the system works.  He said he would explain it in more detail at a later date.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 20, 2014, 01:13:15 PM
I listened to the interview, and he does say that holding down the attack button is a very simple way to do lots of different attacks. My understanding is that the dodge button is a 'put me in dodge mode" thing, and the attack button is "you can press it or you can hold it" type deal. It seems like the four slots on the left side correspond it each character, since they line up with the names on the right side. I think each one is telling you what that character is doing-- although at one point the slot for Noctis does change to fire, but then Ignis casts it, so that could be one of the cooperative moves?

I'm still optimistic, though I definitely wouldn't want this to become 'button holder: the QTE.' It seems like much of the complexity is going to come from expanding the team's defensive and offensive abilities and working with the cooperative attacks/positioning and such. Hoping to hear more soon!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on September 20, 2014, 01:17:39 PM
Turns out you hold a button to auto attack and you hold a button for a defensive stance and dodge everything in sight.. I'm sure there is more to the combat system but I do not like the sound of this.. I was hoping it would be KH style, seems like they changed it. This info was given at the tech demo shown yesterday by Tabata.
Might be similar to XII's combat system in some ways, or perhaps it takes some cues from LR.. who knows..

Tech Demo in question : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGYHpvvRHUA
The FFXV demonstration starts at 22:45

First of all, the hold down a button comment was for defense only, not attack.  I don't see any sign of an auto attack there.  There's a lot more going on there than you're giving credit for.  For one things the prompts are constantly changing between ぼうぎょ (defense) and こうげき (attack), seemingly corresponding to different targets.  It also changes into a fire spell at some point.  I have no idea what causes these prompts to change, it seems like a pretty important part of how the system works.  He said he would explain it in more detail at a later date.

Can't we just get Platinum to make it at this point? It worked for MGR:Revengeance.


McEdit w/Cheese:
(http://i.imgur.com/tPRAur2.jpg)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on September 20, 2014, 02:41:10 PM
I'm really disappointed if it turns out to be a very passive battle system(Ala FF XII where you just have to intervene when shit goes wrong with your gambits)... Will await the demo to make a more educated judgement though. I mean it could be good but it certainly isn't what everyone was expecting.

I guess I just feel like my expectations were betrayed, I was expecting KH type of gameplay but this is a different beast altogether. Oh well, still excited for this game.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 20, 2014, 04:32:18 PM
Famitsu Interview (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=130884461&postcount=1) -- NeoGAF

I recommend everyone to read this.

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Tech Demo in question : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGYHpvvRHUA

Glad they showed a bit more of the engine.

Also, it sounds like an arrangement of "Prelude" from VII playing there at 22:36.

Can't we just get Platinum to make it at this point? It worked for MGR:Revengeance.

In that case, we would end up (hypothetically) with something closer to Ys than FF.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 22, 2014, 11:28:31 AM
FFXV will indeed have a male-only cast; and the road trip aspect will be a big part of it (http://www.siliconera.com/2014/09/22/final-fantasy-xv-will-feel-like-group-guys-going-road-trip/).

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/35a754e698c5b5d57aed1831ec8ebd30/tumblr_nc7iplTWYQ1rgoaogo1_500.jpg)

I still don't mind (if it's important for story purposes, let it be; this certainly and fairly contrasts FFX-2's all-female cast), but I doubt I'm the only one who likes running around as a female character than a fella sometimes.....especially when the main cast looks like and is dressed like a JPOP band (probably the last lingering thing thats bugged me about this game, and I would be all over costume DLC).

The game is also apparently about 50-60% complete! I don't now why I'm surprised by that, but I was a bit.  ...yay!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on September 22, 2014, 12:07:07 PM
That trailer had me excited.

Everything that has come up after the trailer has me disappointed.

If the road trip is the entire game, then they haven't learned their lesson from XIII about making RPG's too linear. In fact, at least XIII didn't really *feel* linear in terms of settings and story, but if 90% of FFXV is a story of"Get from point A to point B," then I really don't have much interest in it.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on September 22, 2014, 12:32:18 PM
lol....


ff15 yaoi,please look forward to it!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 22, 2014, 12:37:10 PM
That trailer had me excited.

Everything that has come up after the trailer has me disappointed.

If the road trip is the entire game, then they haven't learned their lesson from XIII about making RPG's too linear. In fact, at least XIII didn't really *feel* linear in terms of settings and story, but if 90% of FFXV is a story of"Get from point A to point B," then I really don't have much interest in it.

Yeah, I'm kinda worried the game might have a small scope in order to feed into a FF15-2.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 22, 2014, 01:40:38 PM
Final Fantasy XV director talks development, open world, combat, demo, and more (http://gematsu.com/2014/09/final-fantasy-xv-director-talks-development-open-world-combat-demo) -- Gematsu

After reading this in the morning I can tell that Tabata as the director knows what he's doing and also knows the type of FF that needs to be done out of this process, even though in development a lot of things can happen a long the way.

For all the prejudices, insecurities and complaints fans have, I'm slowly getting interested again thanks to how Tabata communicates that XV in the last few years has been a game (or rather a project) with clear goals in mind. That's not something that in general FFXII, XIII and XIV (1.0 mostly) had in their development time even considering the tons of work it was put into each of them.

That being said, I'm not a believer entirely in XV just yet. They still have to pull off a tangible product that has all of the ideas and concepts they have talked about and shown previously. Is like Tabata said;

"If we don't do something that people think is amazing, it's meaningless," Tabata said. "If we don't do something that's challenging, it's also meaningless."

---

@Alisha: *cough* (http://i.imgur.com/JZ8jrQP.jpg)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on September 22, 2014, 02:45:08 PM
FFXV will indeed have a male-only cast; and the road trip aspect will be a big part of it (http://www.siliconera.com/2014/09/22/final-fantasy-xv-will-feel-like-group-guys-going-road-trip/).

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/35a754e698c5b5d57aed1831ec8ebd30/tumblr_nc7iplTWYQ1rgoaogo1_500.jpg)

I still don't mind (if it's important for story purposes, let it be; this certainly and fairly contrasts FFX-2's all-female cast), but I doubt I'm the only one who likes running around as a female character than a fella sometimes.....especially when the main cast looks like and is dressed like a JPOP band (probably the last lingering thing thats bugged me about this game, and I would be all over costume DLC).

The game is also apparently about 50-60% complete! I don't now why I'm surprised by that, but I was a bit.  ...yay!

Meh. After the New Adventures of a J-Pop Girl Band that was FFX-2, the idea of going on the Many Adventures of a J-Pop Boy Band doesn't bother me that much. My only issue is if they're truly going to embrace the Road Trip, do something silly like going Road Warrior, or do what they usually do which is nothing but awful, disjointed, melodramatic meandering.

I think the key difference is the dynamic between a 'D&D style sausagefest' is inherently different from the dynamic a 'frat on springbreak' has, and to be fair, the latter is incredibly rare by videogame standards (the AssCreed games are probably the closest non-FPS), let alone the JRPG genre (especially in this era of Idols Galore).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Agent D. on September 22, 2014, 02:49:25 PM
All male cast...booo.

Agent D likes some pretty ladies to back up the crew.


But for real, who in their right mind thought bringing back cloud's hairstyle could be a good thing?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 22, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
FFXV will indeed have a male-only cast; and the road trip aspect will be a big part of it (http://www.siliconera.com/2014/09/22/final-fantasy-xv-will-feel-like-group-guys-going-road-trip/).

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/35a754e698c5b5d57aed1831ec8ebd30/tumblr_nc7iplTWYQ1rgoaogo1_500.jpg)

I still don't mind (if it's important for story purposes, let it be; this certainly and fairly contrasts FFX-2's all-female cast), but I doubt I'm the only one who likes running around as a female character than a fella sometimes.....especially when the main cast looks like and is dressed like a JPOP band (probably the last lingering thing thats bugged me about this game, and I would be all over costume DLC).

The game is also apparently about 50-60% complete! I don't now why I'm surprised by that, but I was a bit.  ...yay!

Meh. After the New Adventures of a J-Pop Girl Band that was FFX-2, the idea of going on the Many Adventures of a J-Pop Boy Band doesn't bother me that much. My only issue is if they're truly going to embrace the Road Trip, do something silly like going Road Warrior, or do what they usually do which is nothing but awful, disjointed, melodramatic meandering.

FFX-2's ladies were at least something "fancy" to look at: They didn't all wear all black and only black.  I'm mostly speaking design-wise they're annoying to look at (not the all-male sausagefest).  I get that black duds are "cool as fuck", but c'mon, people attend funerals wearing more color than that.

All male cast...booo.

Agent D likes some pretty ladies to back up the crew.


But for real, who in their right mind thought bringing back cloud's hairstyle could be a good thing?

The supporting females look purdy at least. :S

And Google J or K Pop boy bands and you'll see their hair dos are more or less culturally 'in the now'.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Agent D. on September 22, 2014, 05:13:26 PM
The only way their hair is capable of such gravity-defying volume is a lovely hair care product called essence of float.

Edit: Also relevant, side effects include immunity to earth damage, and the occasional split end.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 23, 2014, 08:56:23 AM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-09-22-meet-hajime-tabata-final-fantasys-latest-saviour

Eurogamer Tabata interview
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on September 23, 2014, 03:01:57 PM
Sounds like an FF XII light x ARPG 101.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rockko on September 23, 2014, 06:17:30 PM
This game is really reminding me more and more of "The Last Story". And not just because of all the black leather. The battle system looks similar to me. Notice I said "looks". I realize this is nothing more than a superficial observation as we really know nothing of the mechanics or anything. That being said, I liked that battle system. It could be very tactical at times.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 23, 2014, 06:29:10 PM
Michael Cunningham from RPGamer made a good point-- there's a difference between combat that is "simple to perform" and simple combat. I think that's probably good to keep in mind for FFXV. Type-0's combat is a great time, and also involves no menus!

I admit I was a little hesitant when I first read some of these interviews, but I'm confident Tabata has a strong focus and idea in mind, especially considering the nuances of what has been said.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on September 23, 2014, 06:58:29 PM
You could be right, but one thing is for sure: Tabata has not done a very good job of selling people on what his vision is.  There is a lot of confusion and he's saying seemingly contradictory things in a single interview:

"In Japan, more and more gamers lean towards games that can be played very casually," he says. "I personally like and grew up with those core-centric games, those substantial standalone games. I want to preserve the integrity of them, and leave a legacy of those standalone games in the best form possible."

"With the hardware specifications of the newer consoles, it's possible to set it up so you have different enemies and different choices of attacks you can enter in, but I want to simplify that. It'll basically be a one-button action, and the AI intuitively outputs an action that kind of satisfies, gives you that instant gratification, and it connects with the simple touch of a button."

Admittedly he's not a PR person, but come on.  Which is it?  I can't really blame people for being skeptical...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on September 24, 2014, 11:38:42 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=900371

Patent filed by Square Enix for a system that seems in all likelihood FFXV's. A lot of discussion of it-- and it actually sounds pretty fantastic, if they realize it well.

Gambit-like system for designing combos, etc.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on September 24, 2014, 12:33:43 PM
So, kind of like those cheat controllers that can store button press you can use to always perform combos.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 24, 2014, 05:12:05 PM
Tabata has not done a very good job of selling people on what his vision is.

I'm not gonna repeat myself, but as far as I'm concerned going with the interviews published, I can tell that Tabata is the right guy for the job.

Though, I know that's not gonna stop fans(?) from picking apart XV for the next 8+ years.

Edited.*
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Lard on September 24, 2014, 11:37:58 PM
I have absolutely no problem with waiting to see the game until it's ready.

They changed directors during FF12 and plenty of people liked that game just fine.

It isn't necessarily a disaster and the fact that it's changing because Nomura wants to focus on something else, rather than burnout indicates it's at least being done for the right reasons.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Iron Maw on September 25, 2014, 03:03:39 AM
Thanks to this thread

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=900371
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131386901&postcount=8
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131434958&postcount=129

I've got a much clearer understanding on how the battle system may work.

Basically in traditional FF and KH combat systems players used battles menu interfaces and the O/A buttons to control what commands they could use. In FFXV this is replaced and done though positional movement and the deck system.

Preparations:

Before the battle start players will assign abilities and whatnot that they want to use on the Deck system (think of it as slots where attacks etcs can be equipped) and have their priority set through what order they were placed in. For example theoretically a simple deck would be something like this;

Deck1:
|Sword|-|Gun|-|Spell|

More importantly however is that these 3 actions will have a set range and condition (Noctis' proximity to his target) in which only they can be activated. In this case the Sword will only be used when Noctis is close to the enemy, the Gun when he's a short distance and the Spell when he's far.

So the deck will now look something like this:

Deck1:
|Sword (Short)|-|Gun (Mid)|-|Spell (Long)|

Now here is where everything really comes together:

So now when you get into actual battle, you will first pick a target(s) (probably through R1 or L1). Once done whatever Noctis relative position to the target at the moment will determine the kinds of actions you can take. So if you what to get up close strike, simply move Noctis there, hit "O" he will take out his sword and strike. Similar if you want to engage at distance just move him back a bit and hit "O" and he will shoot with gun. Same thing with the spell just further back.

None of these actions are random as you can see, the A.I is only prompting the actions yourself have chosen to set, which is displayed through a kind of invisible menu. It's player decision on whether that current command it's used or not. So it's actual no different then picking abilities from a battle menu yourself, but instead using the D-pad on a menu to pick and chose, you use your movement to do that. Now combine that with unique animations and properties for various abilities and I think you can now see where strategy and combos will come into play.

Like say your fighting a difficult boss with powerful short melee attacks on top of having a specific weakness you can't hit with close weapons like swords or axes.

Deck2:
|Sword (Short)|<|Axe (Short)|-|Boomerang (Mid)|-|Spell (Long)|

(BTW, "<" means that these two commands are part of string you can do)

However on your deck you have two ranged type commands set in; boomerang and spell. Boomerang is mid-range and the Spell, long. You want to combo these two skills into each other for maximum efficiency. The boomerang's animation has a part where Noctis will step back after he throws it and that will be just far enough to where he can follow up with a spell directly. Which can be done by moving back a bit and pressing and holding the "O/A" button. The boomerang with also have the bonus of striking any other targets in it's immediate trajectory.

So ultimately, with this system you don't actual have any less control your over you characters then you had in the earlier games, it's just a different more evolutionary form of it. You can likely also configure Noctis utilize any kind of play-style you desire, such using two-handed swords only.

More importantly unlike FFXII and Xenoblade, movement here truly matters because it determines everything you can do, which makes for much more involved game.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Cyril on September 25, 2014, 09:27:36 AM
I have absolutely no problem with waiting to see the game until it's ready.

They changed directors during FF12 and plenty of people liked that game just fine.

It isn't necessarily a disaster and the fact that it's changing because Nomura wants to focus on something else, rather than burnout indicates it's at least being done for the right reasons.

FFXII doesn't suit your argument very well.  It's rather obvious where the directorial change came in in FFXII if you've ever played Matsuno's games in the past.  It's like a clear line between one part of the game and the other, story-wise, and it just falls apart.

That being said, I agree with your point overall and think Nomura focusing on KH3 is the better idea.  One director overseeing two huge, expensive, prominent projects is just asking for something bad to happen to not only the projects, but to the director as well, given it's Japan and Square Enix and the stress they're under.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on September 25, 2014, 09:33:23 AM
Nomura leaving the project was the company's decision, basically he was "forced out".
Source: http://t.co/IcLzZso6Vb
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 26, 2014, 01:33:48 PM
^ I guess we can speculate wildly why. :S
I'd say poor fella, but I'm sure he's on several other projects.

http://i.imgur.com/BLFUnYo.jpg
FFXV's final bosses revealed!!
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it's a joke but I found it funny...their dress is oddly appropriate?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: The Legendary Zoltan on October 02, 2014, 09:35:04 AM
Final Fantasy XV: Bro'd Trip! God I want to play it so much!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Maxximum on October 02, 2014, 10:09:27 AM
So, its a full blown action RPG now. Why not, since I pretty much gave up any hope of FF going back to its turn based roots, I find it much easier to accept this game as it's own thing. I just hope that its got enough RPG elements (like towns and some openness to its world) and NO FREAKING CO-OP. The whole boyband bromance theme is giving me this bad feeling that they'll try and stuff some multiplayer BS in there. I love multiplayer games, but there are some games I want to play on my own, and I want those game to be designed around the idea of being played as a single player title.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on October 02, 2014, 03:11:31 PM
So, its a full blown action RPG now.

Now?  It was always supposed to be an action RPG, even back when it was called Versus.

Also, you guys should read this interview (http://gematsu.com/2014/10/final-fantasy-xv-director-addresses-fan-concerns-new-gameplay).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Cyril on October 02, 2014, 03:20:11 PM
Yeah, I thought it was always intended to be a full ARPG.  Wasn't that one of the first things they ever announced?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on October 02, 2014, 04:42:47 PM
that decreased my interest in this game even more...even if there was a female character you wouldnt be able to control her....
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Maxximum on October 02, 2014, 05:42:52 PM
So, its a full blown action RPG now.

Now?  It was always supposed to be an action RPG, even back when it was called Versus.

Also, you guys should read this interview (http://gematsu.com/2014/10/final-fantasy-xv-director-addresses-fan-concerns-new-gameplay).

I meat the direction series took rather than the game itself, though I haven't really been following XV related news very much either.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on October 02, 2014, 10:01:12 PM
Tabata has not done a very good job of selling people on what his vision is.

I'm not gonna repeat myself, but as far as I'm concerned going with the interviews published, I can tell that Tabata is the right guy for the job.

Though, I know that's not gonna stop fans(?) from picking apart XV for the next 8+ years.

Edited.*

i swear you must be a masochist that loves taking on the world.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on October 03, 2014, 12:54:38 AM
So, its a full blown action RPG now.

Now?  It was always supposed to be an action RPG, even back when it was called Versus.

Also, you guys should read this interview (http://gematsu.com/2014/10/final-fantasy-xv-director-addresses-fan-concerns-new-gameplay).

I meat the direction series took rather than the game itself, though I haven't really been following XV related news very much either.

I agree that the series meat took an unfortunate direction towards the ground. If they hurry, they may still make it to the meat before the 10 year rule is up. But even then, I know where that meat's been, so I don't mean to offend, but I must contend, that whatever brushing efforts they make to amend, nor whatever else to the menu they append, I do not plan to partake in the end (unless I get it from a friend).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on October 03, 2014, 01:10:49 AM
So, its a full blown action RPG now.

Now?  It was always supposed to be an action RPG, even back when it was called Versus.

Also, you guys should read this interview (http://gematsu.com/2014/10/final-fantasy-xv-director-addresses-fan-concerns-new-gameplay).

I meat the direction series took rather than the game itself, though I haven't really been following XV related news very much either.

I agree that the series meat took an unfortunate direction towards the ground. If they hurry, they may still make it to the meat before the 10 year rule is up. But even then, I know where that meat's been, so I don't mean to offend, but I must contend, that whatever brushing efforts they make to amend, nor whatever else to the menu they append, I do not plan to partake in the end (unless I get it from a friend).

 (http://i.imgur.com/kY5hpdY.gif)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Maxximum on October 03, 2014, 03:15:59 AM
So, its a full blown action RPG now.

Now?  It was always supposed to be an action RPG, even back when it was called Versus.

Also, you guys should read this interview (http://gematsu.com/2014/10/final-fantasy-xv-director-addresses-fan-concerns-new-gameplay).

I meat the direction series took rather than the game itself, though I haven't really been following XV related news very much either.

I agree that the series meat took an unfortunate direction towards the ground. If they hurry, they may still make it to the meat before the 10 year rule is up. But even then, I know where that meat's been, so I don't mean to offend, but I must contend, that whatever brushing efforts they make to amend, nor whatever else to the menu they append, I do not plan to partake in the end (unless I get it from a friend).
(http://i.imgur.com/kY5hpdY.gif)
Wanted to echo Dice but since you can't quote images any more I had to improvise and borrow her gif.
Mostly because I'm too lazy to look for the sad Picard picture.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 03, 2014, 10:24:36 AM
Dice forever the cheerleader of Aeolus.

i swear you must be a masochist that loves taking on the world.

I love long walks on the beach.

(http://i.imgur.com/VXuESkA.gif)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on October 03, 2014, 11:05:27 AM
Dice forever the cheerleader of Aeolus.

i swear you must be a masochist that loves taking on the world.

I love long walks on the beach.

(http://i.imgur.com/VXuESkA.gif)

It's kinda funny, you say you had enough of talking about FF with it's fans(?) and whatnot but you seem to constantly engage in bickering with said fans(?), even if you simply say something non comittal, detached, passive agressive, hell even repeating over and over that you "had enough of whatever" is still not exactly comitting to your own words. If truly had enough, you wouldn't even respond at this point.Not holding anything against you here, just making an observation.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 03, 2014, 12:50:55 PM
I haven't gone against my word. If the tone of my comments related to FF are read in a tone or are understood in a way I didn't intented then that's too bad.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on October 03, 2014, 03:13:04 PM
I haven't gone against my word. If the tone of my comments related to FF are read in a tone or are understood in a way I didn't intented then that's too bad.

Another observation:

I've only been around this board for 2 months and in that short span I don't think I've ever seen someone "misinterpreted" so many times in my life.

Thanks a lot Internet!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on October 03, 2014, 03:37:54 PM
I haven't gone against my word. If the tone of my comments related to FF are read in a tone or are understood in a way I didn't intented then that's too bad.

Another observation:

I've only been around this board for 2 months and in that short span I don't think I've ever seen someone "misinterpreted" so many times in my life.

Thanks a lot Internet!

LOL
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on October 03, 2014, 03:47:40 PM
I haven't gone against my word. If the tone of my comments related to FF are read in a tone or are understood in a way I didn't intented then that's too bad.

Another observation:

I've only been around this board for 2 months and in that short span I don't think I've ever seen someone "misinterpreted" so many times in my life.

Thanks a lot Internet!

(http://i.imgur.com/44rrtak.gif)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 03, 2014, 05:08:45 PM
I'm actually the one laughing the most here, if you guys are laughing too then that's cool. ;)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 17, 2014, 01:04:36 PM
Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Flash Talk Show [Sub EN] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmhP6niVsVs) -- Square Enix UK, YouTube

Posting this one here since nobody else has done it yet and the talk show is more about XV than Type-0 HD and Agito+.

That being said, those suits (male and female) that are gonna come out for Agito+ look super nice.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on October 17, 2014, 01:17:29 PM
Male and Female summons is interesting (I just hope they don't adopt a silly name scheme like "Heva" for Man-Sheva :P); hell I liked it when old man Ramuh turned into a horse for FFX.

The suits are super spiffy too.  What I wouldn't give for a suit to fit so well as that.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on October 23, 2014, 01:10:20 AM
http://www.jp.square-enix.com/ff15/_assets/sounds/bgm1.mp3

Some Shimomura music updated on the site (I think it's the stuff from the trailer).  Very nice!
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/23/article-2119541-05E6DC090000044D-585_468x286.jpg)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on October 23, 2014, 02:24:26 AM
OH MY GOD I LVOE YOU I HAVE WANTED THIS SONG FOR SO LONG
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on October 30, 2014, 08:48:02 PM
OH MY GOD I LVOE YOU I HAVE WANTED THIS SONG FOR SO LONG

yes yes I lvoe you too (not to actually cheese things up, but I pictured that you'd actually respond to it...you go "music guy" and earn that title!).

Guys!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

EDIT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuDTimeOmNc&feature=youtu.be TECH DEMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62e1tbihcaQ&feature=youtu.be EXPLORIN' TINGS

Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Damacon on October 30, 2014, 09:14:08 PM
These links are not working for me Dice says the videos don't exist.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on October 30, 2014, 09:21:29 PM
Try again, i edited it
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Damacon on October 30, 2014, 09:44:47 PM
The world looks amazing but it also kind of looks boring like there was nothing going on but wilderness and creatures the whole time lol. Which makes me think this is going to be a grand theft auto meets final fantasy type game where you will use and reuse the same areas of the map repeatedly for mission/quest type things. My other concern from what I have seen which is also the case with Type Zero is the combat looks very flashy but they are really only pressing the same 4 buttons doing generic moves with fancy animations to the point where dynasty warriors seems like a complex combat system lol.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on October 30, 2014, 10:29:51 PM
Have you actually played Type-0?  It plays really well.  No it's not an action games with fancy combos or something but it's also not trying to be.  And what moves are assigned to your face buttons is extensively customizable.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Damacon on October 31, 2014, 12:53:43 AM
I have not played it so no I was just going on my perspective of what I have seen in trailers. Do you just have the 4 buttons and can you switch between party members on the go? Cause if it had that kind of system like Ys seven or celceta that wouldn't be to bad.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on October 31, 2014, 04:02:11 AM
I'm not sure why you're so hung up on this "4 buttons" thing.  How many buttons do your controllers have?  Yes your main combat actions use the face buttons (isn't that pretty normal?) but Type-0 uses every button on the PSP and then some.  No, seriously, there's BS stuff like if you hold the left trigger down there are additional options with the d-pad.  You access items with the friggin select button.  Also, holding down the face buttons can do different things than just a tap.

It's honestly a little overwhelming.  Like all the controls they wanted didn't quite 'fit' on the PSP.  I'm hoping with more triggers and two proper sticks the controls will be adjusted for the HD version.

And yes you can switch between party members.  It's a pretty big part of the game, actually.  In fact you're not even just limited to switching between your 3 active party members.  You can swap others in from your reserve.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Damacon on October 31, 2014, 08:07:26 AM
Then I stand corrected the videos just didn't do it justice then cause from the looks of them you had auto attack,one spell, a signature class move and dodge.Hopefully FF 15 is also more than meets the eye I can't help but worry cause Square-Enix has completely deceived me before with their flashy CGs and making things look more complex than they actually were.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: neogalahad on November 05, 2014, 09:27:24 AM
Then I stand corrected the videos just didn't do it justice then cause from the looks of them you had auto attack,one spell, a signature class move and dodge.Hopefully FF 15 is also more than meets the eye I can't help but worry cause Square-Enix has completely deceived me before with their flashy CGs and making things look more complex than they actually were.

You also need to understand that this is a technical demo. They are testing the world environment's lighting system,  physics engine (mind blowing wind cycles), and how much "world" can be loaded whilst walking around in real time rendering. The end game can potentially be filled with enemies and npcs.

When watching the new tech demo I get a huge xenoblade vibe and I mean that in a good way! Pretty excited to see the playable demo with type-0.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Jimmy on November 05, 2014, 12:00:56 PM
That new demo is pretty mind boggling, I have to say. This game keeps looking better and better. I loved the part where the bull like thing started chasing the guy, that was a great little touch.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 10, 2014, 02:38:20 PM
Final Fantasy XV release window "roughly decided" (http://gematsu.com/2014/11/final-fantasy-xv-release-window-roughly-decided) -- Gematsu

"Final Fantasy XV's release window has been "roughly decided," according to game director Hajime Tabata.

"The number of developers on the project is actually a serious issue," Tabata told GameKult at Paris Games Week last week. "We're going to need a little more manpower as we start working towards the master build, so we've started recruiting more developers."

Tabata continued, "However, a target in terms of which year and season the game will be released has been roughly decided.

It might be a little bit after what you're probably hoping for, though."


---

Sky of the Night's Light by tincek-marincek (http://tincek-marincek.deviantart.com/art/Sky-of-the-Night-s-Light-493093242) -- deviantART

"Lightning cameo in Final Fantasy XV!" (https://twitter.com/Square_Portal/status/528150158458884096) / "Get on my level, Noctis!" (https://twitter.com/DannyElDiabl0/status/531808342810038273) -- Twitter
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on November 10, 2014, 03:03:01 PM
giant game gets gianter.
following this projects progress as intently as you seem to must get exhausting.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on November 10, 2014, 03:12:47 PM
It's not really that exhausting, news just pop out on twitter out of nowhere, livestreams, details , interviews. It's all displayed as it's released in the blink of an eye if you follow the right accounts and sources. Oh yes, the good old digital age where information is constantly getting shoved in your face if you know "where to look".
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on November 10, 2014, 03:33:01 PM
It's not really that exhausting, news just pop out on twitter out of nowhere, livestreams, details , interviews. It's all displayed as it's released in the blink of an eye if you follow the right accounts and sources. Oh yes, the good old digital age where information is constantly getting shoved in your face if you know "where to look".

you misunderstand me (I think)

less "searching for relevant information is exhausting" and more "sifting through every available minute detail of a hundred available stories about what is maybe, possibly, but probably not going to happen and reporting it back to a fanbase that just wants it be over with already "   

nahmean?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on November 10, 2014, 04:44:13 PM
Seems like just yesterday everyone was complaining about the lack of news about this game.  Now suddenly it's too much.  You just can't win...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on November 10, 2014, 04:48:48 PM
bah, not what I meant either.

apparently I can't make sense today.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 11, 2014, 02:22:29 PM
you misunderstand me (I think)

less "searching for relevant information is exhausting" and more "sifting through every available minute detail of a hundred available stories about what is maybe, possibly, but probably not going to happen and reporting it back to a fanbase that just wants it be over with already "   

nahmean?

What are you talking about...? I put the post together in a few minutes and you are ranting for a group of people that I don't even care about.

Is all about sharing the info (and some miscellaneous stuff) for anyone interested if it hasn't been posted yet. That's all.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 14, 2014, 09:03:08 PM
http://i.imgur.com/oTJJvTb.png

So apparently this is a basic topographic view of the FF15 World...well, Continental Map.  And she's a big one.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Holykael1 on November 14, 2014, 09:13:17 PM
Yeah they also released direct feed footage of  that world exploration video, that thing is just the demo and it's already super huge. And that's just a little section of that map.. This game is gonna be gud. Just  hope they manage to fill that world map with fun things to do and a great sense of exploration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnKHmB2zXcc

For that video they disabled  world events/tasks and combat, it's just a bunch of walking(literally a walkthrough) but it looks insanely good, I hope I'll be able to get lost in this world and that it will be wonderful to explore.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 14, 2014, 09:20:32 PM
Honestly, the only thing I'm worried about at this point is dialogue.  I'll probably beat my head into the game's disc if you're stuck on a bromatic cruise of the country listening to really bad or unnatural dialogue. 
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 14, 2014, 09:46:08 PM
I've talked about the worries I've had with the scriptwriter more than a few times before here. Nojima is a hit or miss writer, but if he can make decent worldbuilding with some of the FNC mythos I think most people will be fine.

In any case, aside from me enjoying my FNC mythos, I've been mainly interested in the technical side of XV for the longest time so is great seeing them doing tech videos and giving some details here and there in the last few months.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 14, 2014, 09:56:13 PM
I'm somewhat the opposite, but I think it depends on the game. 
If the game is going for a heavy exploration angle with its massive overworld, then I'd hope the characters can make the journey interesting or realistic.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on November 15, 2014, 09:48:13 AM
I don't know if this was mentioned before and I'm too lazy to check, but with the whole "road trip" concept going here and lots of driving between locations, is it going to matter that Japan's cars have the steering wheel on the right-hand side and that American cars have the steering wheel on the left? (Mail delivery trucks notwithstanding).  I had to consciously make myself think "no, he is NOT driving on the wrong side of the road." 

I guess it shouldn't matter since the game takes place in a fictional world, but it did matter to me in Jake Hunter because that was a whitewashed version of Jinguji Saburo and I couldn't buy the game taking place in Anytown America when the guy's car had a right-side steering wheel.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aurian on November 15, 2014, 10:43:50 AM
Well fortunately America doesn't have tonberries, behemoths and chocobos so I doubt the drivers side will be as jarring 😋
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Damacon on November 15, 2014, 08:23:49 PM
I dunno, I tend to be still bothered by the utter lack of anything in their world and the fact that monsters just seem to be randomly placed around without any thought of where they might live or sleep.

Like where do the giant monsters in the lake live do they just stand in that lake all day and night forever, wouldn't it be long dried up after like a hour of them drinking there?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 15, 2014, 08:31:11 PM
I don't know if this was mentioned before and I'm too lazy to check, but with the whole "road trip" concept going here and lots of driving between locations, is it going to matter that Japan's cars have the steering wheel on the right-hand side and that American cars have the steering wheel on the left? (Mail delivery trucks notwithstanding).  I had to consciously make myself think "no, he is NOT driving on the wrong side of the road." 

I guess it shouldn't matter since the game takes place in a fictional world, but it did matter to me in Jake Hunter because that was a whitewashed version of Jinguji Saburo and I couldn't buy the game taking place in Anytown America when the guy's car had a right-side steering wheel.

I don't think this game is GTA-ing it where we'll be driving around town and getting screwed up by the controls for driving on the wrong other side of the road. 

I do wonder if they'd change it for their big ass Western market, but I doubt it, and it'd be such a minor cosmetic change that what's the point I think.  And after a bunch of white-washing in 90s gaming, I hope that is done and over with (even if the changes provided interesting stories or humour :P ).

I dunno, I tend to be still bothered by the utter lack of anything in their world and the fact that monsters just seem to be randomly placed around without any thought of where they might live or sleep.

Like where do the giant monsters in the lake live do they just stand in that lake all day and night forever, wouldn't it be long dried up after like a hour of them drinking there?

The white dot areas on the map are speculated to be towns.  Hopeflly more is happening there.  I'm sure Squeenix heard the complaints about FF13's lack of variety and have since gone full to avoid such criticism again.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Damacon on November 15, 2014, 10:10:32 PM
 So that is just one small area? If so that's not so bad, I didn't see the map so I was just going by what I saw in that video that was posted on here and noticed though they ran around a big area it seemed like nothing much was going on. But that also might be because nothing was added or things don't happen till a mission is there. I know that sounds kind of ignorant of me because if I really looked I could probably find out a lot more about the game but I also feel if they are putting out videos of stuff shouldn't they try to make it a little more interesting hehe.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: NG14916 on November 15, 2014, 10:22:24 PM
Honestly, the only thing I'm worried about at this point is dialogue.  I'll probably beat my head into the game's disc if you're stuck on a bromatic cruise of the country listening to really bad or unnatural dialogue. 

Well, I don't know what the content of the dialogue will be, of course, but the dialogue from the trailers seemed to be quite good and better-written/more natural than the XIII series in my opinion. I'm optimistic about the story based on what we've seen so far.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 15, 2014, 10:27:19 PM
Honestly, the only thing I'm worried about at this point is dialogue.  I'll probably beat my head into the game's disc if you're stuck on a bromatic cruise of the country listening to really bad or unnatural dialogue. 

Well, I don't know what the content of the dialogue will be, of course, but the dialogue from the trailers seemed to be quite good and better-written/more natural than the XIII series in my opinion. I'm optimistic about the story based on what we've seen so far.

^
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Mickeymac92 on November 15, 2014, 10:38:05 PM
Just want to mention I'm glad the combat's gonna have more weight to it, though I'm sure it'll take some getting used to.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 15, 2014, 10:56:35 PM
Honestly, the only thing I'm worried about at this point is dialogue.  I'll probably beat my head into the game's disc if you're stuck on a bromatic cruise of the country listening to really bad or unnatural dialogue. 

Well, I don't know what the content of the dialogue will be, of course, but the dialogue from the trailers seemed to be quite good and better-written/more natural than the XIII series in my opinion. I'm optimistic about the story based on what we've seen so far.

^

Forgive the skepticism but their track record as of late hasn't been good. 
Ah well, does me saying the lighter side of this is because concern means I care and am gettin' a lil' excited for this game?? 

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Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 15, 2014, 11:23:04 PM

I'm sure Squeenix heard the complaints about FF13's lack of variety and have since gone full to avoid such criticism again.

They put that feedback to use in XIII-2 and again with LR they went as far as they could go with the exploration. Considering with the hardware they were working with and the time they had on development for the project (1 year and a half), they were pretty clever finding a lot solutions that would make LR a counterpoint directly to XIII as a game. And that's without mentioning all efforts SQEX did re-launching XIV.

XIV alone in the long run could have had a big negative impact for the franchise and SQEX that XIII never really presented. Is not for nothing that they had to re-evaluate aspects within the company and the project itself to make ARR the game best it could be.

So that is just one small area? If so that's not so bad, I didn't see the map so I was just going by what I saw in that video that was posted on here and noticed though they ran around a big area it seemed like nothing much was going on. But that also might be because nothing was added or things don't happen till a mission is there. I know that sounds kind of ignorant of me because if I really looked I could probably find out a lot more about the game but I also feel if they are putting out videos of stuff shouldn't they try to make it a little more interesting hehe.

"The presentation focused on one part of the region and there's more to explore in the demo. Most of the events and enemies were removed to show the environments in the field trailer." -- SQUARE PORTAL (http://squareportal.net/2014/10/31/new-final-fantasy-xv-details-from-active-time-report-i/)

Everything in the walkthrough of last month is still a work in progress, obviously.

Well, I don't know what the content of the dialogue will be, of course, but the dialogue from the trailers seemed to be quite good and better-written/more natural than the XIII series in my opinion. I'm optimistic about the story based on what we've seen so far.

^

You know, I was thinking, if Kingdom Hearts fans say that about Daisuke Watanabe's work on the XIII series as a writer, then I have all the right in the world to laugh at the... irony? I think that's the word I'm searching for.

Also I'm not gonna discuss dialogue's preferences on FF or RPGs in general. I don't want to be a part of that.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Damacon on November 15, 2014, 11:37:34 PM
 Ahh so that is only 10% of the game and its basic rough draft stage well that makes sense then. So really I shouldn't even be making any assumptions or even really looking at this game for about a year till its finished am I correct to say that?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 15, 2014, 11:58:14 PM
With big franchises, assumptions and expectations is what leads people to disappointment in my experience.

Just try to inform yourself the best you can.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on November 16, 2014, 03:09:00 AM
Well fortunately America doesn't have tonberries, behemoths and chocobos so I doubt the drivers side will be as jarring 😋

Though we do have Molboros (in convenience stores and gas stations all over the place).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 16, 2014, 03:12:47 AM
Well fortunately America doesn't have tonberries, behemoths and chocobos so I doubt the drivers side will be as jarring 😋

Though we do have Molboros (in convenience stores and gas stations all over the place).

And they cause bad breath!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aurian on November 16, 2014, 11:54:25 AM
Well fortunately America doesn't have tonberries, behemoths and chocobos so I doubt the drivers side will be as jarring 😋

Though we do have Molboros (in convenience stores and gas stations all over the place).

And they cause bad breath!

And make other people get poisoned, go crazy and try run away!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Bushidou777 on November 20, 2014, 02:43:24 PM
I feel like this is going to surprise a lot of people i do not know what to expect myself.I have no doubt that this will be a crazy game.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: ChronoPower on November 21, 2014, 10:41:02 PM
I think this game looks amazing, and it would be the reason for me getting a ps4.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on November 22, 2014, 01:09:12 AM
i hope it crashers and burns myself. hoping final fantasy explorers and bracely second outsell this
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 22, 2014, 01:48:28 AM
i hope it crashers and burns myself. hoping final fantasy explorers and bracely second outsell this

how uplifting of you.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on November 22, 2014, 01:51:02 AM
i hope it crashers and burns myself. hoping final fantasy explorers and bracely second outsell this

I don't know if I care for a Monster Hunter clone to become Squeenix's new direction for the mainline FF series, nor BD if it continues to pull bullshit like its second half in other games.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 22, 2014, 03:51:58 AM
@Aeolus: Real talk; The series has been fine with all the experimentation it does.

I don't have to like every single FF. The more variety the series has to offer to different kinds of players stuff they could potentially enjoy, the better IMO.

If I would want a JRPG series that remains consistently close with its traditions I would be playing Dragon Quest, not FF.

i hope it crashers and burns myself. hoping final fantasy explorers and bracely second outsell this

how uplifting of you.

Classic Alisha. She wants to see the world burn.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on November 22, 2014, 06:40:45 AM
But such polarizing opinions are exactly why this game will succeed.  We've given it good publicity in our community and many of us will play it so we can talk, argue, etc. about it.  It's arguable that FF9 may be the best FF since 7, but it's kinda the forgotten FF.  It was good and did everything right, but it didn't spark the level of debate that 7,8,10,11,12,13, and 14 did. 

If 15 is good, we'll have people saying "told ya so" or "I was wrong to hate on it, it's good!" If not, we'll hear "told ya so" or "I was wrong to fellate it, this is awful." And we'll have those talking about how the game didn't live up to the hype, good or bad. 

The game is far from out, and it's already spawned one of the most popular threads on the forums this year.  FF is doing its job.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Damacon on November 22, 2014, 09:14:17 AM
 I am kind of with Alisha but I don't want to see any of their titles do well, I want some unknown company to come by and just crush them till they can't afford to survive anymore.

  They feel like so much of a poser company to me who brainwashes people into buying their games and then half those people will say they liked it regardless of if they did or not. Its kind of like how a bunch of poor people follow Republicans even though their whole goal is to kill off poor people and take more money for themselves. Not saying Democrats are any better in this day and age as they are probably all out to kill us also lol. But I feel how people look at games and if they are good/bad is the same mentality of how people are with politics.

 If I look back on what Square has done for me with their last FF installments I can see they basically just completely clone some type of game and then put their own skins on it with a most of the time horrible story full of characters who make me cringe just from looking at them. So am I excited for any of their games no probably not but that doesn't mean I wont look into them when they are coming out cause anyone can change or strike upon a good idea if they actually have the interest of their consumers in mind and not just their money on mind.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 22, 2014, 11:39:14 AM
Considering some of my favorite games this year and last year came from Square, I don't agree surg anyone hoping they fail. I also don't understand why you would ever hope for something to fail, especially when lots of people enjoy their games. That's a level of cynicism beyond me. Also, I agree sub everything Din and Ygg said.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aurian on November 22, 2014, 12:31:29 PM
I don't hope for failure. I hope for a game that is well made and fun to play, with a good story. The FFxiii trilogy failed for me. ff12 failed for me. I have enjoyed every non-online Ff prior to that.

I have enjoyed Bravely Default overall, but please no more parallel dimensions with the same stuff as previous chapters. I get what they were trying to do though.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Damacon on November 22, 2014, 01:13:09 PM
But are you really enjoying their games or just tricking yourself into thinking your enjoying the game!! But all fairness I was not speaking for anything they made on the DS/3DS as I actually thought their little music game looked pretty fun. I guess I should say I hope to see the final fantasy side of things fail because to me it is just riding on its name alone.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 22, 2014, 02:02:51 PM
Tricking yourself into enjoying FF for the love of the brand?

That's the kind of conspiracy theory argument I expect out of a Metal Gear fan, not in a FF thread. That being said, is lovely how some of the older FF fans can't fathom how there's people who enjoy modern FF for realsies. :)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 22, 2014, 02:06:13 PM
Hundreds of hours on FFXIV, enjoyed XII, have beaten Type-0 twice, Curtain Call is one of my favorite games this year, the HD FFX and KH versions have been carefully and awesomely put together and not at all rushed out the door. Also looking very much forward to Explorers, FFXV, Type-0 HD. The number of Square games I haven't enjoyed is vastly outpaced by the ones I did ^^
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on November 22, 2014, 03:25:15 PM
Do you like every album by a particular band you're a fan of?  No.  Plenty of Metallica fans disliked the albums Load, ReLoad, and St. Anger.  They still like the band, though, and will go to their concerts to hear their favorite songs by them.  Hell, the oldheads will bring their tween and teen kids to Metallica concerts.  Kill 'em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, and Justice were all killer albums, and few bands right now can claim that kind of age diversity in their fanbase- from tweens and teens all the way to folks in their 50s even.   

And a music analogy is apt for another point made.  We could cry all day about how who's famous and popular on the radio these days is vapid garbage and that some local or underground artist who is truly amazing should be famous instead.  But then when the artist we like gets famous, do we then turn our backs on them and yell "sellout!"  Do we not like them any more because we liked them "before they were cool" and don't want to be associated with the bandwagoning sheeple who jumped on the trend?  Back in the FF7 days, all the "tr00/ 0ld-sk00L" fans cried foul that they were playing early FF games while the neophytes riding the FF7 wave were playing Mario or Mega Man.     

Metallica was a no-name underground band before they made it big.  In much the same way, Squaresoft was a no-name indie company at first, created a bunch of less-than-successful games, faced bankruptcy, and Final Fantasy was their last ditch effort before shutting their doors.  We can say "evil corporation Shinra" all we want, but they had the kind of hard luck story we love in the smaller, indie, underground developers that we wish were famous instead of Square Enix.  And with a lot of ex-Square staff splintering off, they have the "ex-Square" feather in their hats and thus their smaller development studios will get some recognition.  And that's a good thing, right?         

And, again, if we want to topple the juggernaut and stick up for the little guy, we have to speak with our wallets.  Buy the games you want to see more of.  People probably make fun of me behind my back that I'm the RPGFan "hipster" because I review obscure games and choose them for my Game of the Year selections.  But maybe if people paid attention to those underground gems instead of the latest FF (even if looking in FF's direction simply to yell and scream and complain), then maybe they'll have fun actually playing games instead of shouting about them on the Internet.  There's that old saying, "money talks, BS walks."   

Will I be buying the new FF?  Probably not.  I'll likely be playing some no-name game that falls victim to FF's looming shadow for RPGFan instead.  Remember how in FF13's wake, a really cool RPG called Resonance of Fate got overshadowed?     

I hope FF15 turns out good and that people enjoy it.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on November 22, 2014, 03:47:18 PM
I wonder how many of us are waiting on XV and Type-0 to even buy next gen hardware.  That;s A LOT of pressure, because then if it's a big fat turd, people will not only be pissed about wasting the 60 bucks on the game, they'll also be pissed about spending the extra 400 for the console.

Count me in that group.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on November 22, 2014, 04:07:53 PM
I plan on finally being able to afford a PS4 when Type-0 HD is released.

If I don't enjoy Type-0 HD, it's not like I was NEVER going to get a PS4. I'd hardly think of that money as wasted.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 22, 2014, 06:08:24 PM
After not really being into anything Square related for awhile I hopped on the PS4 recently with sights set on Squeenix offerings. The way I see it, the games square have released in recent years just don't happen to be aligned with what I would care to see. This by no means makes them bad games. It is simply dumb (cruddy) luck for someone such as myself.

Plainly, KH, the FF XIII and FF X brands are really the only Square-made RPGs I really didn't have a taste for. Now, with the definitive version of FF XIV on the PS4, Type-0, and XV finally on the horizon I feel like my return to enjoying the hell out of a square game is just about here. I suppose I never really saw Square as having dropped the ball in terms of pumping out quality titles so much as having just shifted their focus briefly to things that lie far outside the realm of what I personally would hope to see.

One of my motivations in recently buying the PS4 was honestly to tackle a few titles before Type 0 comes out so I can comfortably focus on that. In short 2013-2014 were just bad "Square" years for me personally that I am happy to see over.

Now maybe I am just too optimistic but I truly feel that, outside the realm of Square, the PS4 is really going to prove to be a great console for RPGs. Without making a list here and getting longwinded it seems pretty safe to say that there are some very interesting and promising titles from various devs in the works for 2015/2016. At present, as an RPGFan I really can't imagine counting the purchase of PS4 as a mistake at this point. It would seem a pretty safe bet that you can comfortably count on having something awesome running on the system from this month forward.

I had actually just been reflecting on how surprised I am that the PS4 already has a library developing that excites me. I sort of assumed it would have taken a wee bit longer than one year to coax me into feeling the purchase tempting enough to jump on but lo and behold, they got me.

Now that I have said all I cared to on that, I want to make some bold statements/predictions on the PS4 front.

BOLD PREDICTION 1. Both NIS and Compile Hearts will be responsible for grade A RPG's this gen, on the PS4 that successfully break the barrier of "niche". Yep I did say CH is gonna make an awesome game by most peoples standards. Remember, I am being bold!!

2. The FF brand will reclaim some glory but ultimately have a large hand in mainstreaming interest in JRPGs once again this gen. As a result no one will be able to continue to pose questions like "Are JrpG's deAd???" for quite some time.

3. The support and focus on indie devs coupled with the aforementioned fact will result in more Retro-Love-Letter RPG's in the years to come than you can shake a stick at (or play before the PS5 comes out a decade from now).

4. After years of whining we will see some dead/dormant franchises whored out once again for profit that everyone will complain "isn't as good as the classics". In short, RPG players will get what they have been crying about for ages only to cry some more.

5. Somewhere along the line, PS4 users will be able to finally change their PSN names.

Alrighty I will let my dreamy idealism rest now. The end.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on November 22, 2014, 06:42:58 PM
BOLD PREDICTION 1. Both NIS and Compile Hearts will be responsible for grade A RPG's this gen, on the PS4 that successfully break the barrier of "niche". Yep I did say CH is gonna make an awesome game by most peoples standards. Remember, I am being bold!!

Come on, there's being bold and there's being ludicrous.  Compile Heart is successful only because they keep their costs low.  Their games have never really sold that well, but they don't need to sell well to make a profit.  But their whole company is built around that approach.  They simply don't have the resources or the talent to make a big-budget mainstream game even if they wanted to.  And I doubt they want to.  Even if they did manage to scrounge up the money for it, it would be a huge gamble that could bankrupt the whole company if it failed.  Why risk it?  Especially with the future of big-budget console games feeling more uncertain than ever (especially in Japan).  They're either going to stick to what they know or maybe branch out into mobile and browser games because that's where the real growth has been...sad but true.

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3. The support and focus on indie devs coupled with the aforementioned fact will result in more Retro-Love-Letter RPG's in the years to come than you can shake a stick at (or play before the PS5 comes out a decade from now).

That's kind of already happening in Kickstarter-land.  Though it remains to been seen how many of those games will actually be good.

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5. Somewhere along the line, PS4 users will be able to finally change their PSN names.

Now that's bold ;)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on November 22, 2014, 06:49:13 PM
Ahh, but Idea Factory and Compile Heart have been making strides toward creating better games and shedding their laughingstock reputation.  Agarest War 2, Mugen Souls Z, and Fairy Fencer F were surprisingly competent JRPGs.  They still have a ways to go, but I'd definitely give them the "most improved student" award.  I look forward to see what they do in 2015.      

Remember, Honda and Hyndai used to be crummy tin-can cars back in the 1980s and now they're some of the best built and most reliable automobiles on the road.  
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 22, 2014, 07:21:20 PM
@ Kevadu

I was gonna cite Agarest 2 amongst a few others as my "examples of CH's capacity for improvement" argument but Dincrest beat me to it.

Fact is, I don't think Compile Hearts/Idea Factory are going to break the bank making the games that will make my prediction a reality. My bold prediction is more or less on the grounds that the fanbase for RPGs is going to flourish this generation and meet the budget titles halfway. CH/IF have already proven their potential to learn and make better games with limited resources. If said games develop a greater following and profit there of its only a matter of time before teams behind titles like Fairy Fencer can exercise a bit more ambition.

A ComPilE fActOrEE epic is on the way, I can feeeeeeeel it!!


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3. The support and focus on indie devs coupled with the aforementioned fact will result in more Retro-Love-Letter RPG's in the years to come than you can shake a stick at (or play before the PS5 comes out a decade from now).

That's kind of already happening in Kickstarter-land.  Though it remains to been seen how many of those games will actually be good.



See its happening already! I knew it! The seeds have been planted. LoL

Truly though, its not like good things have not come from indie devs. The big hurtle is exposure. PSN on the PS4 is just the vehicle to start opening peoples eyes to what is out there whom would otherwise never look in the given direction. Case and point is Dust an Elysian tale. I've already seen quite a few people ranting and raving about the awesome "new" metroidvania offered to PSplus members last month. And that was already nearly half a decade old on the XBLA. Imagine how much potential exposure could be in store for lesser known quality titles.



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5. Somewhere along the line, PS4 users will be able to finally change their PSN names.

Now that's bold ;)

Ok, I'll take that one on the chin. Maybe I'm just being plain silly now.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Damacon on November 22, 2014, 07:32:38 PM
Tricking yourself into enjoying FF for the love of the brand?

That's the kind of conspiracy theory argument I expect out of a Metal Gear fan, not in a FF thread. That being said, is lovely how some of the older FF fans can't fathom how there's people who enjoy modern FF for realsies. :)


 I guess that is the real point, I just can't fathom how people can say they are satisfied with any of the double digit final fantasies.

 For me 10 was pushing the envelope I feel that maybe I would of liked that game more if the entire main cast of characters was moogles or something. But no other then Lulu they just had no appeal at all they were pretty boring and bland. As far as everything else it was still the final fantasy I remembered and loved probably being the only reason I was able to finish it.

 I somewhat enjoyed final fantasy 11 but at the early stage of that game gold farmers drove it into the ground and I got lured away by World of Warcraft which I regret to this day as FF 11 was way better. I couldn't go back and play it now as games have advanced so much that it just wouldn't be enough to keep me entertained anymore.

 I wanted to like final fantasy 12 but just the fact that the whole point of the game was to not play the game with the battle system destroyed that game for me. How dumb can you be that you make it so your whole battle system is just auto battle and how could people actually like that? I know I sure didn't I bought a game not a freaking auto battle mmo simulator bullcrap.

 Final fantasy 13 plus was just a identity crisis nightmare the people who made that game had no idea who they were or what they wanted. The characters in the game had no idea what the hell was going on with them or the world and cried about it endlessly.

 Final fantasy 14 has been the best effort since square enix was created I will admit that. But are you really satisfied with the gear treadmill? Is it really that fun to spend your whole life getting gear only for that gear to become completely useless and all that time wasted to just get more gear that is slightly better I mean wtf?  Ya doing a new dungeon is fun and all but after farming it for two months straight with the only reward you have to show for all that will be replaced in the new patch lol. I think Mr. T said it best "I pity the fool" who could look me in the eye and tell me that they are satisfied with all that time they wasted without a single thing to show from it that is unique other than some cosmetic crap. You are basically the same fricken character you were at 50 with gear that has higher stats then the original gear and that is just sad. All they had to do was something extremely basic like you continue to level up stat points with a experience system and that could of changed everything all that time would of meant something you would be unique from everyone else for your time/money.

 I have not played type 0 so I can not comment on it but from the videos I watched it looked extremely repetitive of them running from small area to small area clearing out the enemies to move on.

 Kingdom hearts is not my thing I will not say they are bad because they are completely out of my jurisdiction. I do not like Disney so of course I am not going to like them but that is just me.

 I have not played any of the 3ds games since I do not own one so maybe those ones are a lot of fun and yes I think FF explorers looks way better than anything else they have coming out but it still looks like a direct copy of other games with final fantasy skins but those games are not bad so it might prove about as entertaining as them. The music final fantasy looked the most appealing of everything I have seen though as it seemed pretty unique and one thing we can all agree on is final fantasy music at least hasn't degraded.

 
I wonder how many of us are waiting on XV and Type-0 to even buy next gen hardware.  That;s A LOT of pressure, because then if it's a big fat turd, people will not only be pissed about wasting the 60 bucks on the game, they'll also be pissed about spending the extra 400 for the console.

Count me in that group.

 This is how I feel and I would say just wait lol. If those games were good I can go back and buy them but to buy a system for them is practically suicide if you stand with a lot of my opinions of the recent final fantasies then those games got a pretty dang high chance of letting you down. Better to just wait it out see what people think  on here and then decide from there.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 22, 2014, 08:07:03 PM
@Damacon: You let your points clear regarding SQEX plenty of times before. No need to repeat the same dance.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on November 22, 2014, 10:17:44 PM
I wanted to like final fantasy 12 but just the fact that the whole point of the game was to not play the game with the battle system destroyed that game for me. How dumb can you be that you make it so your whole battle system is just auto battle and how could people actually like that? I know I sure didn't I bought a game not a freaking auto battle mmo simulator bullcrap.

To FFXII's credit, the game really does respect the player's time more than most JRPGs (outside of doing any optional horseshit like treasure chests, some of the Bazaar combinations, dicking around in optional areas, grinding super rare drops and optional bosses). You don't have any scene transitions for any encounter (though bosses do get a title card), you don't have any dramatic camera panning with every battle or attack, canned animations are short and fairly fast, running from fights simply means just running as you would normally do, there are waypoints all over the place (to the point where the Airship is almost entirely superfluous since the waypoints had you covered for the most part), buffs carry over from fight to fight so you didn't have to recast them every time, the game gave you the means of regenerating MP just by moving and fighting and killing and taking damage and a quick pick-me-up ability if you did somehow run out of MP (not regarding those optional areas with enemies that straight up blow away all your MP) and even using the game's variant of Limit Breaks gave you a chance to walk away with a goodly chunk of MP recharged, you can skip any cutscene and hell, they even limited the post battle victory screens down to boss fights and marks.

The argument that FFXII is bad because it plays itself is an incredibly stupid one. You can totally play it like an SuperNES era style ATB system, just by turning off Gambits and menu dive with the best of them. The player has always had that option in that game and the only reason why the game makes it the less efficient way to play is because it simply is.

Take FFVI's endgame strategy of Dualcasting Quick (Ultima/Ultima) & Ultima (unfortunately, the way the game's engine handles Quick prevents dualcasting it), that entails selecting Magic, scrolling down to nearly the bottom of the magic list for Quick (because there's only nine White Magic spells so optimally speaking Quick will be six rows from the bottom at best since you'll want Black Magic up on top), select your target, selecting Magic again, scrolling roughly a third of the way down the magic list for Ultima (10 rows down from the top or 17 rows up from the bottom), select your targets, selecting Magic again, scrolling again down to Ultima, select your targets, selecting Magic one last time, scroll and select Ultima and finally select your targets then watch for about a minute as your character does up to 29997HP worth a damage to everything in that one battle. All that will take the better part of two minutes to fumble around with menus and prompts, and even if you do mitigate the issue of seaching for spells with Cursor Memory you now have to deal with adjusting for your last position which makes learning the muscle memory needed to expedite the spell selection much harder since you no longer start at the top of the menu every time you choose Magic.

And its not like there's any meaningful strategy behind this either. You're taking the most destructive and efficient option every time since very few things in the game can stand up to 29997HP worth of damage. Why not just automate that one sequence? You can still cast Cure 3, Haste 2 or Life 3 if you need to (especially since those are the only spells that matter at that point, the rest are outdated or not nearly as efficient at ending battles like the Triple Ultima spam). And the same goes for FFXII. Why spend all that time in menus digging for the right sequence of spells or risking a wasted turn by messing up a command for the sake of speed or even losing track of your options because you've spent so much time using that one option when you can set up automated contingencies in case of a need to heal or rebuff? There's no real skill in menu diving beyond knowing to use the right tool for the right job. RPGamers don't play RPGs for the battle systems anyways; they play them for the sense of character progression, the constant Soap Opera tier melodramas and the almost delusional hope of finding a cool adventure to go on.

Now of course, that's not to say that FFXII doesn't do incredibly stupid shit from time to time, but its disingenuous to state that FFXII was ruined by the Gambit system, because all it did was present to the player an alternative to the classic ATB system. Kinda like what FFIV did to the series when it introduced the ATB system to begin with.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Damacon on November 23, 2014, 09:13:12 AM
 I like all your details and everything its a really nice way to say I like playing games that I don't have to do anything! In a nutshell that is what FF12 was it started out feeling like a game and the farther you got the less you did as the player until your were doing nothing but running. You could choose to not use the system but then you are talking about playing a pretty much broken game where you spend hours even doing the simplest stuff trust me I tried. It was a extremely well put together auto battle system I will give it that you could do pretty much everything to make sure you were doing nothing.

There's no real skill in menu diving beyond knowing to use the right tool for the right job. RPGamers don't play RPGs for the battle systems anyways; they play them for the sense of character progression, the constant Soap Opera tier melodramas and the almost delusional hope of finding a cool adventure to go on.

Now of course, that's not to say that FFXII doesn't do incredibly stupid shit from time to time, but its disingenuous to state that FFXII was ruined by the Gambit system, because all it did was present to the player an alternative to the classic ATB system. Kinda like what FFIV did to the series when it introduced the ATB system to begin with.

 The statement in bold just blows my mind cause its completely denying the G in RPG, the battle system is pretty much the only thing that makes all rpgs games without it your playing the most shitty platform game ever lol. I do agree that I love a good story just as much as the next but if thats all I wanted then I would just read books.

 Not that I felt ff12 had a good story even behind its really boring battle system because no it didn't, was a little better then 10 but still most of the characters I can't even remember their names because they left no impact at all. The airship guy was the best one and Cid from ff7 had more drama in 1 second of his life then that character had in the whole game.   

 I am not really picky about story either dude I mean basically the tales games have had the same story for like the last 10 games. You do stuff then another planet somehow disrupts everything and you go there to finish the game repeated endlessly. But namco does a great job at making characters, some are worse than others but you find out everything about them that you need to know and they all fit into the world perfectly having more of a reason to fight then you just met him/her somewhere.


 I apologize though cause if you really find the double digit final fantasy games enjoyable I don't know where the world has gone wrong but we have failed you. Because the only things they did better then anything around them was graphics and figuring out the best way to make it so you don't actually have to participate in the game thanks auto battle!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Cyril on November 23, 2014, 07:11:53 PM
You're flat out, objectively wrong about the lack of drama involved in characters in XII.  It's a Matsuno game.  You're saying that characters don't suffer in a Matsuno game.  Do you realize how ridiculous that is?  You might not care for them (I didn't really, either), and the newer FF games, but you're making these ridiculous generalizations that are so wrong that I can't ignore them.

Regarding your last paragraph: I want you to not participate at all in creating AI in FFXII and not changing Paradigms XIII and let it auto-battle and tell me how easily you beat the game.
Because you won't. Ever. That alone makes your argument that you don't have to play the game null.  Now, I will admit XIII-2 was ridiculously easy, but for XIII, especially end-game and post-game you are so wrong it actually hurts.

Just because you participate differently doesn't mean you're participating any less.  The idea of large-scale management of both XII and XIII, rather than the singular, more small scale management present in the earlier games may not appeal to you, but they do to others.  It's easy to say that the games play themselves, but even XII won't unless you put the time and effort in initially to get them to and XIII stops playing itself by the time it opens up.

Also, since you're making generalizing comments about FF, you're wrong on just about every account when it comes to Lightning Returns.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on November 23, 2014, 07:45:25 PM
^ Pro tip: it doesn't actually hurt

I agree with the rest of this statement.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 23, 2014, 08:16:52 PM
@ Damacon/ You sure know how to stir the pot buddy. I'm starting to get the idea that you just really hate games but are rather fond some choice memories you hold onto of a time when you enjoyed them.

If you look for fault/fallacy in RPG's you will find it. If you play through FFXIII condemning it and focusing on internet forum whining you will be hard pressed to even catch what it is you COULD potentially appreciate.

I'm gonna take a titan of a title, Suikoden 2 as my example. I can play through it whoring out and exploiting the most game breaking teams and unite attacks. I can ignore the game-length puzzle of 108 stars and utilizing my favorite characters/teams. Heck, I'm gonna go ahead and play it without playing the first, skipping over long winded dialogue and just blitz it cause its just another something I wish I loved like a game from my childhood. At the end of the day I'm gonna want to cry it had no redeeming gameplay, a lacluster story and all sorts of other problems.

Your not gonna see this ^^ often.  While it can certainly prove one gamers experience with the title, if you appreciate what the game offers, it likely won't happen. You almost naturally get swept up in searching every nook and cranny with a distinct sense of adventure and discovery in Suiko 2. Can you break the game and bitch about it? Of course. 9 out of 10 gamers are gonna be captivated by a sweeping narrative and OCD tendency to tying up loose ends and completion-ism via 108 stars of destiny that yields a massive amount of optional ways to tackle the game.

In short even the best games can be lacluster depending on how much of a critic you are and how you go about them. Play and appreciate games for what they go right and you'll have fun.

And if you stumble across a few games you REALLLY hate on every level, don't play them. The end.

I'm gonna be "that guy" that claims the distaste for games in the current gen stems more as problem with the "gamer" than the games.

Now i'm beginning to re-hash what I said in the other thread so I'm gonna stop there and go back to believing with all my heart that the PS4 will be the most amazing thing to happen to me in my adult life yet as a gamer.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Agent D. on November 23, 2014, 08:41:02 PM
I like how after 3 years of it, we're STILL arguing about final fantasy games and our own personal likes and dislikes regarding how they're approached. The best part of it all is at the end of the day every single one of us will be guaranteed to play XV regardless of how bittered we were or how engrossed and overjoyed by previous installments.

If you say otherwise I will call you a baldfaced liar.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 23, 2014, 08:43:54 PM
I like how after 3 years of it, we're STILL arguing about final fantasy games and our own personal likes and dislikes regarding how they're approached. The best part of it all is at the end of the day every single one of us will be guaranteed to play XV regardless of how bittered we were or how engrossed and overjoyed by previous installments.

If you say otherwise I will call you a baldfaced liar.

^
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on November 23, 2014, 10:13:28 PM
I need a PS4 first...

I probably will play it eventually, but I'm not sure when that will be.  No immediate plans to get a PS4.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 23, 2014, 10:21:36 PM
I like how after 3 years of it, we're STILL arguing about final fantasy games and our own personal likes and dislikes regarding how they're approached. The best part of it all is at the end of the day every single one of us will be guaranteed to play XV regardless of how bittered we were or how engrossed and overjoyed by previous installments.

If you say otherwise I will call you a baldfaced liar.

Short and sweet truth here. Wise words sir.

I think its appropriate to note the hallmark of any worthy media is longstanding debate as to its value. Love it or hate it, D is right, it still has us talking now doesn't it? To explore the fact further, I also think there is great value in anything we love or hate enough to examine "why". Final Fantasy has certainly achieved that at the very least.

I think the ultimate truth in all of it for me is that, whether or I love FF or hate it, the franchise is valuable to me and worth experiencing as an enthusiast of the genre. The games are arguably cultural experiences at this point.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Cyril on November 23, 2014, 10:39:10 PM
I'm with Kevadu, I don't have a PS4 yet, but when I do get one (next year, definitely) I'll play FFXV and I imagine I'll have quite a bit of fun with it if it plays like KH.

But really, even with Shimomura, it's going to be really, really hard to top ARR's brilliant OST.  They have their work cut out for them.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 23, 2014, 10:51:16 PM
I'm with Kevadu, I don't have a PS4 yet, but when I do get one (next year, definitely) I'll play FFXV and I imagine I'll have quite a bit of fun with it if it plays like KH.

But really, even with Shimomura, it's going to be really, really hard to top ARR's brilliant OST.  They have their work cut out for them.

After Theatrhythm I've been hooked on 'Under the Weight'.  I guess after X amount of orchestrated and pleasant FF songs this one stuck out and makes me visualize wildly.

I can't wait for FF15.

ALso...
I saw this:
(http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/hatima/imgs/c/6/c6eb5fbf.jpg)
...getting posted around.  While I think it's a bit simplified, I will say that I'm a big fan of more open-world concepts being input into JRPGs.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on November 23, 2014, 11:17:57 PM
I need a PS4 first...

I probably will play it eventually, but I'm not sure when that will be.  No immediate plans to get a PS4.

I'm waiting for the Steam release myself.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on November 24, 2014, 12:15:19 AM
I reckon a PS4 is cheaper than a PC that would actually run this (assuming it even comes to PC).  I assure you what I have now will not...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on November 24, 2014, 12:39:39 AM
I reckon a PS4 is cheaper than a PC that would actually run this (assuming it even comes to PC).  I assure you what I have now will not...

By the time it does, it won't be.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 24, 2014, 04:01:29 AM
Yeah, I love Shimomura's work to pieces, but FFXIV's OST was a home run... or like, ten home runs. I wish them luck.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 24, 2014, 02:12:49 PM
Yeah, I love Shimomura's work to pieces, but FFXIV's OST was a home run... or like, ten home runs. I wish them luck.

I feel that her work in XV is gonna be as iconic as the one she did back with the original Kingdom Hearts. Which, fans aside, really is her most recognizable work along with the tracks she composed for Street Fighter II.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 24, 2014, 02:18:26 PM
^ I'm torn on the KH OSTs.  For the most part it's more the original areas that shine for me than the Disney worlds (with a few exceptions of course).

I'm wondering if they'll release the HD OSTs soon.  I definitely loved the reworked tracks a ton.

I adored her work on Radiant Historia and loved her for Super Mario RPG (which was an OST that knew when to be cutesy and knew when to "sound" like an RPG).

.... I'm just generalizing a lot.  GO SHIMOMURA.  Uematsu got Distant Worlds, I'd love to see other Final Fantasy composers being worked in there.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on November 24, 2014, 02:35:07 PM
^ I'm torn on the KH OSTs.  For the most part it's more the original areas that shine for me than the Disney worlds (with a few exceptions of course).

I'm wondering if they'll release the HD OSTs soon.  I definitely loved the reworked tracks a ton.

I adored her work on Radiant Historia and loved her for Super Mario RPG (which was an OST that knew when to be cutesy and knew when to "sound" like an RPG).

.... I'm just generalizing a lot.  GO SHIMOMURA.  Uematsu got Distant Worlds, I'd love to see other Final Fantasy composers being worked in there.

One of the reasons I'm getting 2.5 HD is to see if she can somehow make Fantasia alla Marcia even *MORE* amazing than it already is.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 24, 2014, 03:27:31 PM
^ I'm torn on the KH OSTs.  For the most part it's more the original areas that shine for me than the Disney worlds (with a few exceptions of course).

I'm wondering if they'll release the HD OSTs soon.  I definitely loved the reworked tracks a ton.

I adored her work on Radiant Historia and loved her for Super Mario RPG (which was an OST that knew when to be cutesy and knew when to "sound" like an RPG).

.... I'm just generalizing a lot.  GO SHIMOMURA.  Uematsu got Distant Worlds, I'd love to see other Final Fantasy composers being worked in there.

The HD OSTs are out in two days. I have my CE preordered :) http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/SQEX-10473

Also, I'm not sure they re-did FAM. I think it was already orchestrated, so the VGO didn't re-record it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZGQfHjfars

Of course, it's already basically perfect so perhaps not messing with that perfection was a good idea.

edit

oh my god i forgot how much i love this song the goosebumps are exploding
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: pseudonym on November 24, 2014, 05:23:56 PM
I can't get over the fact that the cast is traveling in a car. It makes sense as far as logistically. Just seems odd that they are taking a evening stroll and seeing a giant deformed elephant creature lurking on the horizon. I can't imagine what pee-breaks look like.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on November 24, 2014, 05:42:09 PM
FFXIV soundtrack a homerun?? theres a few memorable tracks but to me it will always pale compared to the FFXI OST's. though to be fair soken is getting better over time. though i wonder what Kumi Tanioka and Naoshi Mizuta are up to now. particularly Kumi because i loved the crystal chronicles OST.

as for why i would want it(ff15) to fail...it's simply because i dont want to see more of the same. though given how capcom responded to dmc i wonder if that would even have the desired effect.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 24, 2014, 06:45:11 PM
as for why i would want it(ff15) to fail...it's simply because i dont want to see more of the same.

Same what?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 24, 2014, 10:39:17 PM
^ I'm torn on the KH OSTs.  For the most part it's more the original areas that shine for me than the Disney worlds (with a few exceptions of course).

I'm wondering if they'll release the HD OSTs soon.  I definitely loved the reworked tracks a ton.

I adored her work on Radiant Historia and loved her for Super Mario RPG (which was an OST that knew when to be cutesy and knew when to "sound" like an RPG).

.... I'm just generalizing a lot.  GO SHIMOMURA.  Uematsu got Distant Worlds, I'd love to see other Final Fantasy composers being worked in there.

The HD OSTs are out in two days. I have my CE preordered :) http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/SQEX-10473

Also, I'm not sure they re-did FAM. I think it was already orchestrated, so the VGO didn't re-record it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZGQfHjfars

(http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/lucille-buth-excited.gif)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 25, 2014, 07:24:11 PM
Guess Alisha is never gonna answer my question...

Well, in any case, the "Tabata's Active Time Report" has been translated to English:

Square Enix Presents: Tabata's Active Time Report (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VE1xyR-g2s&t=22m26s) -- Square Enix UK, YouTube

I linked the video to when the section for XV starts in the show.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Cyril on November 25, 2014, 07:40:19 PM
Was Alisha the one like twenty pages/a year or so back who didn't think pure ARPGs were RPGs (and didn't like ARPGs) and therefore said FFXV wasn't a RPG?

Who was that, anyway?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 25, 2014, 07:44:00 PM
Was Alisha the one like twenty pages/a year or so back who didn't think pure ARPGs were RPGs (and didn't like ARPGs) and therefore said FFXV wasn't a RPG?

Who was that, anyway?

someone wrong, that's who.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Agent D. on November 26, 2014, 12:35:16 AM
Was Alisha the one like twenty pages/a year or so back who didn't think pure ARPGs were RPGs (and didn't like ARPGs) and therefore said FFXV wasn't a RPG?

Who was that, anyway?
I had to look back and see who said it. It was zeronhitaro...Alisha just claimed sausage fest and shot it down. Goddamn sexism!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Cyril on November 26, 2014, 12:49:57 AM
Ah, my mistake then.  Thanks for going out of your way to look that up.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on November 26, 2014, 01:27:56 AM
even if it wasnt a sausagefest....you only control noctis so its repeating the same thing i hate about kingdom hearts. i also hate the fanbase that shits on lightning and acts like FF15 is somehow gonna be the saviour of the series....it basicly comes off like they are saying FF13 ruined the FF series and has female protags. FF15 has only male protags and is gonna save us all. i really dont think i'm the one being sexist here.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on November 26, 2014, 02:26:39 AM
even if it wasnt a sausagefest....you only control noctis so its repeating the same thing i hate about kingdom hearts. i also hate the fanbase that shits on lightning and acts like FF15 is somehow gonna be the saviour of the series....it basicly comes off like they are saying FF13 ruined the FF series and has female protags. FF15 has only male protags and is gonna save us all. i really dont think i'm the one being sexist here.

Hey, I don't dislike FFXIII because of Lightning. Hell, Lightning's among the best parts of Lightning Returns (plus she's more or less Solid Snake to Noel's Raiden in FFXIII-2, its just that the game's Tanker level only lasted roughly 5 minutes in a 40 hour game).

I'm far more down on FFXIII-1 being such an unfinished product, and not really doing a very good job of either diversifying itself or building on what's there in a meaningful way.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Cyril on November 26, 2014, 02:58:17 AM
Disliking a female character isn't sexism. Disliking a game with a female lead isn't sexism, either, even if they don't provide reasons.  It only becomes sexism if they state that the female sex is the reason for the game being bad.

I'm pretty sure most people who dislike FFXIII dislike it for reasons aside from Lightning.  I have heard arguments about why Lightning is a bad character, most of which are silly or outright wrong, but none of which say it's because she's female.

I'm also sure that people who hope FFXV will be what "revives" FF don't believe so because it has a male cast and MC.  They do it because they're excited about the style of gameplay (open world, realistic, KH-style ARPG), music, or some other aspect, such as more freedom than the early FFXIII allowed.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Agent D. on November 26, 2014, 03:57:09 AM
I'm in love with Lightning, I'd do such amazing things to her like offer her a foot massage after walking in the park or shovel her car out of the snow...or hit Snow in the face with a shovel...

Doesn't excuse the fact that she was a terrible protaginist, being far too masculine and not offering anything new as one should expect from a female protag. It's the equivalent of making a a new male prince zelda who sits in his castle and gets kidnapped by ganondorf. He doesn't change the role or make it new, just the gender, making it the same game idea as the previous 50 installments...only now ladies get hot for cosplays of him instead. So...yeah...Lightning sucks as a main character and is one of the reasons ffxiii sucks.

The rest of the game helped establish its terrible reputation.

At least with XV, the freeflow form of the combat looks really interesting. I'm bored of not having any nuance in rpgs aside from tales titles or western style rpgs which boil down to first person shooters with character development. This looks like it could establish new trends in the rpg combat department...maybe...possibly...who am I kidding, shit is gonna sell like hotcakes and SE is gonna rest on its success like VII for the next 15 years.

NOW I GET IT! FFXV=15 more years of SE not having to show any ingenuity.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on November 26, 2014, 10:49:11 AM
I'm in love with Lightning, I'd do such amazing things to her like offer her a foot massage after walking in the park or shovel her car out of the snow...or hit Snow in the face with a shovel...

Doesn't excuse the fact that she was a terrible protaginist, being far too masculine and not offering anything new as one should expect from a female protag. It's the equivalent of making a a new male prince zelda who sits in his castle and gets kidnapped by ganondorf. He doesn't change the role or make it new, just the gender, making it the same game idea as the previous 50 installments...only now ladies get hot for cosplays of him instead. So...yeah...Lightning sucks as a main character and is one of the reasons ffxiii sucks.

The rest of the game helped establish its terrible reputation.

At least with XV, the freeflow form of the combat looks really interesting. I'm bored of not having any nuance in rpgs aside from tales titles or western style rpgs which boil down to first person shooters with character development. This looks like it could establish new trends in the rpg combat department...maybe...possibly...who am I kidding, shit is gonna sell like hotcakes and SE is gonna rest on its success like VII for the next 15 years.

NOW I GET IT! FFXV=15 more years of SE not having to show any ingenuity.

I don't buy this at all

I played the Mass Effect series as FemShep
I felt like Lightning and FemShep are cut from the same mold
FemShep is almost universally praised as a character

If Lightning would have been more feminine you'd have crapped on her for being too trite and stereotyped
But since she's headstrong and determined (much the same as FemShep) you deride her for being too masculine

(I say this with half my tongue placed firmly in my cheek, but)
Why do you hate female protagonists??
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 26, 2014, 10:55:56 AM
Doesn't excuse the fact that she was a terrible protaginist, being far too masculine and not offering anything new as one should expect from a female protag.

Are you for real?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Agent D. on November 26, 2014, 12:31:20 PM
Haha no,you're not dragging me into an arguement about Lightning. She sucks as a protag, get over it.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on November 26, 2014, 12:43:31 PM
Haha no,you're not dragging me into an arguement about Lightning. She sucks as a protag, get over it.


"Lightning is terrible, because nonsense."

- AD.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 26, 2014, 12:44:59 PM
Yeah I don't think Ygg was commenting on your dislike of Lightning.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 26, 2014, 12:56:48 PM
I thought she was okay, I just didn't care for the FF13 Saga storyline, and in effect, Lightning's role in it.
I'd sincerely hope it wasn't because she seemed to masculine.  She kind of acted like it, but I don't the she actually was.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on November 26, 2014, 02:01:27 PM
Plus, she kinda gets the role of party leader hijacked from her by Stealth Protagonists Fang and Vanille, since the whole rebelling against the machine plot kinda goes nowhere (at least until an even bigger god shows up to save the day).
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Post by: Alisha on November 26, 2014, 02:09:51 PM
i think lightning had to be the way she is. and if you try to feminize her by adding a love interest you risk having a repeat of the metroid other M situation. or give her a more feminine love interest and she stays masculine and people are still complaining that lightning has a bigger dick than they do.

the world is full of beta's that wish they were alpha's so they gonna hate. even moreso when the alpha is female.

to me lightning is very much like squall but squall gets nowhere near the hate she does.
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Post by: CoreSignal on November 26, 2014, 02:12:15 PM
Lightning was a potentially interesting character, but the staff/writers never did anything interesting with her. I'm hoping Noctis in FF XV won't turn out this way.
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Post by: Damacon on November 26, 2014, 02:35:40 PM
 Lightning was easy the best character of FF13, but all the other characters just ruined  the game  for her in my opinion that is why probably Lightning returns is considered better. I never actually played either of the FF13 sequels though because it just seemed pointless to play another one when I didn't enjoy the first one due to it being the very bane of my RPG existence all bundled up in a ball of pretty graphics. But that's what I do and have always done if a company continues to make games I don't like I stop buying them. I don't think that turns off my rights to judge them though, if someone screws you over of course you are going to be angry and wary of anything they do.

 I actually really love female leads as I think they give you a whole new type of story from a different view, think it is why Legend of Heroes Trails in the sky is probably one of my favorite games. Millia from tales of Xillia was great also and she was pretty much the same damn character as Lightning from ff13 but because she was surrounded by great characters she shined a thousand times more. Lightning could of as well but they surrounded her by a bunch of morons  minus Fang she was cool but she came to late to save me from the morons.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Agent D. on November 26, 2014, 02:55:36 PM
I keep removing my post-to-be because I know if I say what's on my mind regarding Lightning everyone here will have a shitfit. So I'm just gonna say this and I don't care how many people get angry this time.

Lightning is not a threat, lacks any physically intimadating qualities, barely has the strength to hold her sword up with an outstretched arm, and should have died to the first fucking swipe from one of those vuard robots she fought on the first train. Her attitude is completely unnatural for someone who is so lacking physically, and I'll be damned if this chick could hit me anywhere on my body aside from my testicles or throat and get anything more than a giggle out of me, so how the fuck does a guy like Snow wbo makes me look like danny devito to his arnold schwarzeneggar fucking fall to his knees? Everything about Lightning is fucking horseshit and I fucking despise her as a main character.

Might be a bit sexist, but I don't care. That's my take on Lightning. Like it or leave it, Lightning is nothing more than a pretty Squall.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on November 26, 2014, 03:08:58 PM
I keep removing my post-to-be because I know if I say what's on my mind regarding Lightning everyone here will have a shitfit. So I'm just gonna say this and I don't care how many people get angry this time.

Lightning is not a threat, lacks any physically intimadating qualities, barely has the strength to hold her sword up with an outstretched arm, and should have died to the first fucking swipe from one of those vuard robots she fought on the first train. Her attitude is completely unnatural for someone who is so lacking physically, and I'll be damned if this chick could hit me anywhere on my body aside from my testicles or throat and get anything more than a giggle out of me, so how the fuck does a guy like Snow wbo makes me look like danny devito to his arnold schwarzeneggar fucking fall to his knees? Everything about Lightning is fucking horseshit and I fucking despise her as a main character.

Might be a bit sexist, but I don't care. That's my take on Lightning. Like it or leave it, Lightning is nothing more than a pretty Squall.


I can totally see your point, it's not like suspension of disbelief isn't an integral part of literally every RPG ever created ever always forever


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Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 26, 2014, 03:20:27 PM
Really?  I remember you being obsessed with Milla from Xillia too.  In real life, that girls frame would make her tip over; she doesn't even seem to have a proper rib cage (http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140506185339/aselia/images/8/8d/Milla_Maxwell_Status_(ToX).png), looks malnourished, but still manages sizeable breasts.  Cloud somehow manages to also wield (what may as well be) a handheld guillotine called the "Buster Sword" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xogheZdAO18#t=208) which is practically physically impossible for both his frame and the centre of gravity that sword fucks with.  But hey! He's tough!!  Finally, Tifa can perform a SUPLEX on ANY enemy.

DON'T make this about physical properties of video game characters because it's a dumb argument and a dead end.  I agree it'd be great if she was a bit physically larger (look at Korra from Avatar who totally "went there"), but little is going to be able to be done about that especially now so after-the-fact.

DEFINITELY make this that Lightning is a somewhat crappy character (if that's indeed how you feel; and hey I'd agree, because beyond being kinda nice to look at, her personality did little for me and I preferred the Australian duo).  Looking at it physically from a VIDEOGAME perspective basically makes NO sense for either sex where both are ridiculously exaggerated.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 26, 2014, 03:29:31 PM
Are we really arguing about the physical capabilities of these characters based on their designs?

I'm pretty sure Wakka couldn't murder you forever with a blitzball. Pretty sure getting hit by a megaphone wouldn't kill you. Pretty sure a sword with the heft and weight of the Buster Sword would definitely not be able to be lifted or used by Cloud's (Barret's words) scrawny ass. Physical properties of characters, ESPECIALLY in JRPGs, have negative bearing on what they are actually capable of doing.

I'm no fan of Lightning, but if we're going to dock points on her for being 'not physically intimidating,' we maybe want want to consider literally every non-token-big character in a JRPG ever. Except that we never bring up how physically imposing the dude heroes are-- only Lightning gets to be subject to a wholly different category of scrutiny? Horse shit double standard. She's a lame character, but not for that reason.

Also everything Dice said. Korra is a fantastic example, because she looks like someone with her training would. And she's awesome, but for many more reasons than that.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 26, 2014, 03:38:27 PM
I'm pretty sure Wakka couldn't murder you forever with a blitzball.

Puh-lease. (http://i.imgur.com/ndlGtqA.png?1)

And if what you mentioned earlier, Agent, about her being "too masculine", then I think you need to see it with perspective to the series.  Lightning had the role of a guardian in most of the games (to Serah, to Etro[?], and to humanity[?]) so she needed to act tough.  Even still, most of the other leading females in the series were just the opposite and very effeminate.  Yuna, Tifa, Terra and Celes.

I thought if there was a better attempt at being a tough girl in the game then Fang nailed it way better and more naturally (I always did find Lightning and Fang's similarities somewhat funny when the two would chat together).  Hell, even Milla did when you look past her dumb outfit and anime quirks ("Oh FOOD IS YUMMY, but I only eat it once a season so I don't get fat!").

EDIT: For the earlier talk...I really don't think Squeenix was trying to be 'exclusive' with FF15 and its "boys only club" party.  I do look forward to seeing the roles the ladies play because, for the most part, Square Enix has done some great work with its female cast.  I kinda think it sucks still, more that I don't want to JUST play as Noctis if that is indeed the case, but if the intent is meaningful to the game to show some "bond among men" I can't really fault them this time around since for the most part they've been way more fair to female roles than most companies can claim to be (even Nintendo with the recent Smash release).  If they're doing a FF15 "saga" again to save costs, I'd actually feel pretty confident one title would take the eyes of Noctis.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Damacon on November 26, 2014, 04:14:22 PM
 Woah no I didn't mean I liked Millia more because her character design at all, I just meant they had very close personalities ya minus the anime quirks but Millia was a more enjoyable character because she was talking with other characters who were fun and unique. I was just saying that if Lighting would of had a better cast of side characters the story of that game would of been 1000 times better. For me I actually liked Lighting during the beginning of the game where she hated everyone but then she thawed out and started liking characters I still didn't like and it ruined it for me lol.

 I won't say design isn't a factor for me at all, I like cool looking characters male or female but that doesn't mean the story can't make any character loveable no matter how they look.  I like anime a lot so maybe I tend to like anime type characters more because the weird quirks work for me and make me smile. Really I might of just figured out my biggest problem with square all along is they are some kind of weird western/jrpg story hybrid that just comes off as awkward and stupid to me most of the time. I feel somewhat enlightened I could never really put my finger on what bothered me so much about the stories of the latest installments of the final fantasy series but now I know.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on November 26, 2014, 04:27:15 PM
I was cool with Lightning too.  Was she difficult for me to personally relate to?  Yes, but that's what made her interesting.  A unique viewpoint.  I'm with Aeolus, though, in that Fang and Vanille kinda "photobombed" her.  My most memorable moment in FF13 was when Hope was sleeping and muttered "mom?" and Lightning quietly sighed, "not by a longshot."  

Since Squall was mentioned, one of the reasons I both liked and disliked him was because I could relate to him.  His point of view was similar to mine in high school, but when I look back as an adult, it's that petulant part of ourselves that we, as adults, find annoying in teenagers but forget that we were just as bad back in the day.

I'm hoping that the whole road trip concept develops the characters in ways that road trips build character for us.  I got to know my bandmates a little TOO well touring up and down the east coast in a van.  

As for female protagonists, I personally find them difficult to write effectively.  I prefer good female protagonists (again, because it provides a unique POV that I don't experience in my everyday life as a dude) and applaud when they're well written.  George RR Martin's written some of the most badass women in fantasy literature.  He's gifted in that he can write interesting characters in both gender.  We often find that some writers write one gender more effectively than the other for whatever reason.  That's why I like trying the round robins we sometimes do here, to practice writing good characters.  

And then there's reader perspective.  My mom and I are both avid fantasy readers and it's funny that she grumbles when a female protagonist she likes either gets her panties in a bunch or does something really girly out of left field, and I always counter with, "that's what makes her believable.  She's a girl actually being a girl for a moment and not some kind of Mary Sue.  Unpredictable left field WTF moment and all."  One person's idea of a "strong man" or a "strong woman" is very different than someone else's idea of a "strong man" or a "strong woman."  
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Post by: Dice on November 26, 2014, 04:30:47 PM
Good call of GoT ladies.  Because hell yes.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on November 26, 2014, 04:42:02 PM
A brief trip back to the physicality conversation: I would go a step further and say Lightning is one of the more believable FF characters from a physical perspective. Lightning isn't sold to the audience as a powerhouse, she's sold as being agile and limber, which her form completely agrees with.

I mean, she uses an over-sized switchblade for goodness sake, they're not trying to make her female Cloud.
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Post by: Damacon on November 26, 2014, 04:46:08 PM
 Game of Thrones does have a ton of great female characters but even as a dude I feel that they are just showing tits to show tits most of the time in the show which I don't have a problem with because I will admit I like boobs of all shapes and sizes all over the WORLD! But even I feel that show using tits to lure me into watching the episodes most of the time and it works but then I say damn you self for being lured in!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 26, 2014, 04:50:20 PM
Game of Thrones does have a ton of great female characters but even as a dude I feel that they are just showing tits to show tits most of the time in the show which I don't have a problem with because I will admit I like boobs of all shapes and sizes all over the WORLD! But even I feel that show using tits to lure me into watching the episodes most of the time and it works but then I say damn you self for being lured in!

IIRC that's HBO and whatever producers hammering in that titties can sell (quite a few HBO shows show nudity as is).  The books were quite a bit "cleaner" (sort of, they tend to be more "descriptive" on the other hand).
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Post by: Dincrest on November 26, 2014, 04:54:59 PM
And now I reflect back to my own biases.  Like I always choose the girl because I always think the girl will have the better storyline.  It's true enough of the time, but then Hexyz Force came along and proved me wrong.  The girl's storyline was enjoyable, but the boy's storyline was a LOT stronger.  He was a more interesting protagonist.  Talk about flippin' the script, huh?  

And as much as I love the women in Game of Thrones/ A Song of Ice and Fire, my favorite character is one of the guys.  Or in Mistborn, as cool a heroine as Vin is, my favorite character in that saga is one of the dudes.  

A good character is a good character regardless of gender, and I hope Noctis and his buddies are more interesting than stereotypical dudebros road tripping to spring break.  EDIT: And again, there I go biasing...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on November 26, 2014, 05:01:07 PM
And now I reflect back to my own biases.  Like I always choose the girl because I always think the girl will have the better storyline.  It's true enough of the time, but then Hexyz Force came along and proved me wrong.  The girl's storyline was enjoyable, but the boy's storyline was a LOT stronger.  He was a more interesting protagonist.  Talk about flippin' the script, huh?  

This was also the case in Dewprism/Threads of Fate
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Damacon on November 26, 2014, 05:15:04 PM
 Well it works so you can't really blame them for doing it as long as there is women willing to take off their clothes for larges sums of money. Do I believe it should belong in the fantasy world? I would probably say yes but I feel if you are going to use sex appeal you need to make the characters more then just a pair of tits to ogle because that is where you cross the line of being sexist. I mean lets take Ines for example in Tales of Hearts since I am playing it yea there is like a billion tit jokes thanks to her and it probably went a bit to far but she is also a strong independent woman who none of the other characters would even dare mess with her in fear of death.  I mean if it was reality and you were traveling around with her as her friend I think a lot of the reactions they had in the game are pretty normal its not like people don't check other people out lol.
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Post by: Dincrest on November 26, 2014, 05:38:15 PM
And then you have Tifa.  I've said this about her a MILLION times:
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She kept the 24-7 vigil with Cloud while he was a vegetable in the hospital after his mako poisoning.  She was probably helping feed him, bathe him, change his bedpan (or diapers), and all of that.  And she did it without complaint, because she loved him.  That a girl will stand by a guy during something like that shows intense dedication and Tifa's strength of character.  She's not a "fair weather" girlfriend who'd run when things get tough.  And that she's willing to work on a relationship with a headcase like Cloud- most women would run away screaming from a guy with that many psychological and emotional problems.  Tifa didn't.  That's love.  That's dedication.  That's strength.  Sure Tifa dresses sexy and has basketball boobs, but if you look past all that, you'll find an amazing woman.  

EDIT: And now I wonder what would an opposite gender FF15 would be like.  Methinks it would be like a fantasy version of Thelma and Louise. 
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Post by: Damacon on November 26, 2014, 05:50:44 PM
Yep Tifa was awesome, the woman stereotype I hate the most is the princess who is always running around in high heels being protected and never standing up for themselves. Most recent JRPGs are really bad about being sexist which is probably yet another reason why I have less games I enjoy. The Hyperdimension games are really bad a I mean your whole cast is basically women who transform into to their slut suits and run around. I didn't play conception 2 but just the definition made me say wtf it was like bang bunchs of girls and make star babies to fight with you ?!?! wth lol

Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 26, 2014, 06:47:20 PM
Yep Tifa was awesome, the woman stereotype I hate the most is the princess who is always running around in high heels being protected and never standing up for themselves. Most recent JRPGs are really bad about being sexist which is probably yet another reason why I have less games I enjoy. The Hyperdimension games are really bad a I mean your whole cast is basically women who transform into to their slut suits and run around. I didn't play conception 2 but just the definition made me say wtf it was like bang bunchs of girls and make star babies to fight with you ?!?! wth lol



I think I may be completely alone in this but I totally loved Hyperdimension for feeling like the whole enchilada was more of a sarcastic stab at exploiting Sailor-Slut-Suit-Transformation troupes rather than capitalizing on it. The games are self-aware to a sickening degree that really drove home that sarcasm in my eyes.

In other words, and I know I am probably totally off base here, I really appreciated Hyperdimension for more or less poking fun at sexist archetypes and low brow pervy humor. At face value it seems like just another niche' game with common "lets break the 4th wall" jargon until you realized it is sort of making fun of precisely those things.

The best part of Hyper though for me was some of the enjoyable gameplay elements. Above-average and clever humor coupled with total creative control over the transformation palette had me easily overlooking a lot of the rough edges.

Bare in mind I am huge Sailor Moon fan and probably overtly-enjoy anything that pays homage to the shallow magical girl concept.

On that note I still need to play Victory with Victory 2 on the horizon.

And now I wonder what would an opposite gender FF15 would be like.  Methinks it would be like a fantasy version of Thelma and Louise. 

I sort of wish that was the case now that you bring it up. It most cases, it has historically been the Final Fantasy females that have always proved more memorable to me. With the exception of a ninja or two and maybe a Paladin here or there the FF Chickee's win out in each title hands down for me.

Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on November 26, 2014, 07:00:18 PM
Outside of something general like "What's the haps?" I think this is the most schizophrenic thread I've seen since I started posting here.
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Post by: Dincrest on November 26, 2014, 07:15:17 PM
Just like a lot of modern Final Fantasy games, eh?
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Post by: Klutz64 on November 26, 2014, 07:19:43 PM
Just like a lot of modern Final Fantasy games, eh?

Funny you say that because my personal problem with modern Final Fantasy games is they're entirely *too* focused.

Final Fantasy XII and XIII are both just a long chain of combat. I mean, XII had that stupid foot race mini-game but it only served to highlight how few distractions there were to take away from all the fighting.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 26, 2014, 07:22:26 PM
Haha no,you're not dragging me into an arguement about Lightning. She sucks as a protag, get over it.

1st; You drag yourself alone into this and even replied again with your opinion of Lightning very poorly IMO.

2nd; Get over about what? If anything you sound like the one that needs to get over something here.

3rd and last; Project your BS better next time (take that as a friendly advice).

Yeah I don't think Ygg was commenting on your dislike of Lightning.

You got it Taelus. My question was much more substantial than what he got out of it.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on November 26, 2014, 07:33:43 PM
Just like a lot of modern Final Fantasy games, eh?

Funny you say that because my personal problem with modern Final Fantasy games is they're entirely *too* focused.

Final Fantasy XII and XIII are both just a long chain of combat. I mean, XII had that stupid foot race mini-game but it only served to highlight how few distractions there were to take away from all the fighting.

I consider FF7 as the start of "modern" FF, but even that's, what, 17 years old already?  Yikes.  And some of the plots from FFs dating back to that have been more needlessly convoluted than need be.    

Though FF8 is my favorite FF, its misguided focus was one of my problems with it.  With all the epic bombast "Blair Witch space-time continuum" hoosefudge, the game shafted everything that made it great- the quieter, understated, reflective moments.  Those subtle moments were the most powerful ones in the story  That game would have greatly benefited from the virtue of restraint.  I say this in my review of the FF8- Melancholy Tribute soundtrack: http://www.rpgfan.com/soundtracks/ff8-melancholy/

EDIT: It's not lost on me that the FF game I consider my favorite is the one I complain about the most.
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Post by: Agent D. on November 26, 2014, 07:59:40 PM
(and I said I wasn't gonna get dragged into an arguement, lol)

Look, I know many people here don't share my opinion and that's perfectly fine. Truth be told the only reason I can be so adamant about my stance right now is because XIII pisses me off on so many levels, and they compound in such a way that one pet peeve for me escalates to a major breakdown of my personal hate regarding such minor issues. Yes, my dislike of the main character of XIII is actually a minor grievance at the very worst. The list of things I hate about XIII usually start with my abundant hate of how annoying Vanille and Snow are as characters, followed closely by great dislike of corridor fantasy the mini game. Oddly enough, I still like XIII more than XII as well, but I refuse to ever discuss my hate of XII.

So yeah, the Lightning shitstorm is really just out of oppertunistic timing, I simply input my 2 cents when she was brought up. Also, if anyone's wondering why I'm so chill about it now and not swearing up a storm,I was awake for 31 hours when I wrote that rage bit about lightning, and have just gotten up from a nice-ish nap, so I'm less ornery. Usually helps in explaining rage posts :)
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Post by: Damacon on November 26, 2014, 08:02:33 PM
Just like a lot of modern Final Fantasy games, eh?

Funny you say that because my personal problem with modern Final Fantasy games is they're entirely *too* focused.

Final Fantasy XII and XIII are both just a long chain of combat. I mean, XII had that stupid foot race mini-game but it only served to highlight how few distractions there were to take away from all the fighting.


 I agree there completely and have said close to the same thing, one of the things I loved about some RPGs more so in the past is they keep things interesting. Mini games, different types of combat,puzzles, and pretty much anything that at least takes you off track a bit for some extra spice.

 As for the hyperdimension, ya I know its more then just girls in robot slutty suits but Its purely a fanservice thing even if they joke about it still doesn't change the fact. Not to mention who knows how much really pervy crap was taken out in the translation maybe none but most take out quite a bit of really risky stuff lol. I like the whole magical girl thing to as I said I am a big anime fan and hell I even like a lot of pervy anime but it doesn't really sit to well with me when they use the sex appeal thing to sell really repetitive games.

Edit- if it wasn't for the draw magic system in FF8 it would of been perfect but seeing the battle systems today in final fantasy the draw magic system was a lot more engaging. =P Oh I also loved the card game mini game in FF8  going on the topic of this particular post!
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Post by: Kevadu on November 26, 2014, 08:49:02 PM
Just like a lot of modern Final Fantasy games, eh?

Funny you say that because my personal problem with modern Final Fantasy games is they're entirely *too* focused.

Final Fantasy XII and XIII are both just a long chain of combat. I mean, XII had that stupid foot race mini-game but it only served to highlight how few distractions there were to take away from all the fighting.

FFXIII, sure.  But when I read comments like this about FFXII sometimes I seriously wonder if I played the same game...

FFXII was probably the most exploration and puzzle-heavy game in the series.  There was tons of stuff to find (including substantial and 100% optional dungeons), and it had the best use of puzzles in dungeons since FFVI's phoenix cave (Though admittedly that was more in the latter half of the game.  The early dungeons were nothing special...though that's true for FFVI too).  On top of that I also loved the hunting sidequests.  Yes they also involved combat (you had to kill the creatures at the end), but you also had to put in some footwork to actually find your marks and many of them had special requirements to deal with them.  Basically there was a lot more going on than just "a long chain of combat".

Sure it didn't have much in the way of minigames...but then, neither did any of the games before FFVII.  And personally I've never really cared for minigames.
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Post by: Damacon on November 26, 2014, 09:09:10 PM
 FF12 did have a lot of exploration and some really good dungeons I will give it that for sure. But for me it was the combat and the story that drove me away from that game as I said before. If you like auto battle you are free to do so but it just didn't do it for me along with the really dull characters that I can't even remember. That has to be the only final fantasy I have ever played that I can't even remember the characters, I remember the airship guy, a bunny chick, a child hood friend chick and the main dude but the rest just don't exist in my memory nor do their names.
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Post by: IhaveFURY on November 26, 2014, 09:27:42 PM
@ Damacon/ You sure know how to stir the pot buddy. I'm starting to get the idea that you just really hate games but are rather fond some choice memories you hold onto of a time when you enjoyed them.

If you look for fault/fallacy in RPG's you will find it. If you play through FFXIII condemning it and focusing on internet forum whining you will be hard pressed to even catch what it is you COULD potentially appreciate.

I'm gonna take a titan of a title, Suikoden 2 as my example. I can play through it whoring out and exploiting the most game breaking teams and unite attacks. I can ignore the game-length puzzle of 108 stars and utilizing my favorite characters/teams. Heck, I'm gonna go ahead and play it without playing the first, skipping over long winded dialogue and just blitz it cause its just another something I wish I loved like a game from my childhood. At the end of the day I'm gonna want to cry it had no redeeming gameplay, a lacluster story and all sorts of other problems.

Your not gonna see this ^^ often.  While it can certainly prove one gamers experience with the title, if you appreciate what the game offers, it likely won't happen. You almost naturally get swept up in searching every nook and cranny with a distinct sense of adventure and discovery in Suiko 2. Can you break the game and bitch about it? Of course. 9 out of 10 gamers are gonna be captivated by a sweeping narrative and OCD tendency to tying up loose ends and completion-ism via 108 stars of destiny that yields a massive amount of optional ways to tackle the game.

In short even the best games can be lacluster depending on how much of a critic you are and how you go about them. Play and appreciate games for what they go right and you'll have fun.

And if you stumble across a few games you REALLLY hate on every level, don't play them. The end.

I'm gonna be "that guy" that claims the distaste for games in the current gen stems more as problem with the "gamer" than the games.

Now i'm beginning to re-hash what I said in the other thread so I'm gonna stop there and go back to believing with all my heart that the PS4 will be the most amazing thing to happen to me in my adult life yet as a gamer.

I want an option to favorite posts, because you, sir, have got the right idea. :)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: CoreSignal on November 27, 2014, 02:13:51 AM
Yes, my dislike of the main character of XIII is actually a minor grievance at the very worst. The list of things I hate about XIII usually start with my abundant hate of how annoying Vanille and Snow are as characters, followed closely by great dislike of corridor fantasy the mini game. Oddly enough, I still like XIII more than XII as well, but I refuse to ever discuss my hate of XII.
IMO, the only things FF XIII has going for it are the graphics, the music, and the battle system.


FF12 did have a lot of exploration and some really good dungeons I will give it that for sure. But for me it was the combat and the story that drove me away from that game as I said before. If you like auto battle you are free to do so but it just didn't do it for me along with the really dull characters that I can't even remember. That has to be the only final fantasy I have ever played that I can't even remember the characters, I remember the airship guy, a bunny chick, a child hood friend chick and the main dude but the rest just don't exist in my memory nor do their names.
Same here, FF XII had great exploration, some nice looking environments and that was it. Both the combat and the story were so dull. Final fantasy games are usually either good or not so good, but FF XII did something new:  it put me to sleep.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 28, 2014, 03:45:56 AM
@Agent D.: Hate, uh? Well have fun with that.

I already read and heard years of nonsense about FF in general and a part of me became numb to it. Not to mention that bothering with much of it is waste of time on my end. That said, I'm glad you guys have had (overall) a decent conversation going on.

And now to keep up with news regarding XV; At Jump Festa, XV will shown as video only and also will be part of Tabata's Active Time Report on a livestream (like it was said in the last report). The date for this is December 20th.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: CoreSignal on November 28, 2014, 10:42:20 PM
And now to keep up with news regarding XV; At Jump Festa, XV will shown as video only and also will be part of Tabata's Active Time Report on a livestream (like it was said in the last report). The date for this is December 20th.

Sounds good, can't wait for more XV news. I'm really hoping they'll finally show us a town or city area. The open field and cave area from the TGS trailer was great, but
I really want to see a huge city area with lots of buildings and NPCs walking around.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 29, 2014, 12:55:32 AM
And now to keep up with news regarding XV; At Jump Festa, XV will shown as video only and also will be part of Tabata's Active Time Report on a livestream (like it was said in the last report). The date for this is December 20th.

Sounds good, can't wait for more XV news. I'm really hoping they'll finally show us a town or city area. The open field and cave area from the TGS trailer was great, but
I really want to see a huge city area with lots of buildings and NPCs walking around.

Me too. I wanna see some life and some people-interaction.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 29, 2014, 01:14:17 AM
And now to keep up with news regarding XV; At Jump Festa, XV will shown as video only and also will be part of Tabata's Active Time Report on a livestream (like it was said in the last report). The date for this is December 20th.

Sounds good, can't wait for more XV news. I'm really hoping they'll finally show us a town or city area. The open field and cave area from the TGS trailer was great, but
I really want to see a huge city area with lots of buildings and NPCs walking around.

Me too. I wanna see some life and some people-interaction.

I've begun to hate cinematic trailers; they're usually all flash.
The latest gameplay trailer was great, but I do love when developers then sorta ease into the 'other mechanics' or showing off the world.  Indeed, yeah, I wanna see the "other stuff" next!  Shops! Cities! Fields! Menu?!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 29, 2014, 01:23:43 AM
And now to keep up with news regarding XV; At Jump Festa, XV will shown as video only and also will be part of Tabata's Active Time Report on a livestream (like it was said in the last report). The date for this is December 20th.

Sounds good, can't wait for more XV news. I'm really hoping they'll finally show us a town or city area. The open field and cave area from the TGS trailer was great, but
I really want to see a huge city area with lots of buildings and NPCs walking around.

Me too. I wanna see some life and some people-interaction.

I've begun to hate cinematic trailers; they're usually all flash.
The latest gameplay trailer was great, but I do love when developers then sorta ease into the 'other mechanics' or showing off the world.  Indeed, yeah, I wanna see the "other stuff" next!  Shops! Cities! Fields! Menu?!

Minigames!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 29, 2014, 01:24:47 AM
And now to keep up with news regarding XV; At Jump Festa, XV will shown as video only and also will be part of Tabata's Active Time Report on a livestream (like it was said in the last report). The date for this is December 20th.

Sounds good, can't wait for more XV news. I'm really hoping they'll finally show us a town or city area. The open field and cave area from the TGS trailer was great, but
I really want to see a huge city area with lots of buildings and NPCs walking around.

Me too. I wanna see some life and some people-interaction.

I've begun to hate cinematic trailers; they're usually all flash.
The latest gameplay trailer was great, but I do love when developers then sorta ease into the 'other mechanics' or showing off the world.  Indeed, yeah, I wanna see the "other stuff" next!  Shops! Cities! Fields! Menu?!

Minigames!

Oh lordy I hope so.  Or at least one good one.  Choco Hot Cold has sucked wonderful and valuable hours from my life.

....Eat butt, FFX.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 29, 2014, 06:43:42 PM


I want an option to favorite posts, because you, sir, have got the right idea. :)

That made me very happy to read. In truth, I sort of suffer from an odd insecurity that all my posts terribly distort my points and come across wrong. That is why I tend to get too wordy. On that note, thank you friend! You made me smile.

Now as to the topic on the table...

MINIGAMES!! The true stars of the final fantasy universe.

Blitzball, Triple Triad, Snowboarding, Chocobo Racing and the list goes on. It would be interesting if they made a cross-universe mash up title of just the FF mini games, complete with character selection from across the FF universe. I want to snowboard as Shadow with a DLC costume to render me as a pink extreme-sports-ninja. Then I want to ride a motorcycle as Strago and race a chocobo ridden my Umaro and name it Ex-Death the 2nd.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 29, 2014, 07:15:25 PM
Just picture this:

Chocobo Hot and Cold, Chocographs:

but in a world the size and scale of FFXV. It. would. be. glorious.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on November 30, 2014, 08:09:01 AM

A ComPilE fActOrEE epic is on the way, I can feeeeeeeel it!!


I think the Fairy Fencer F may be a step closer to that.  It's reportedly darker than FFF (which had a darker undertone than most Compile Heart games), and considering that FFF had less frequent and more toned-down fanservice than other Compile Heart games... Klyde, the people may think we're crazy, but I believe with you... on the wings of an eagle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRXxjDT53rg


Just picture this:

Chocobo Hot and Cold, Chocographs:

but in a world the size and scale of FFXV. It. would. be. glorious.

Road trip games!  Like padiddle.  Or I Spy.  Or the licence plate game... http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/top-10/top-10-road-trip-games.html

Or if you watch Big Bang Theory, Sheldon had the right idea with his interactive GPS with fun facts and quizzes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHFoByKHUjI

Will Noctis and his buddies do a singalong?  Dude, it would be hilarious to have a scene of them singing along to Suteki da Ne or Eyes on Me... or headbanging along to Otherworld.  Then ripping on each other, "Dude, shut up.  You sing like a strangled crow!" "No u!"

It's like I've said in other threads lately, it's the little moments like that that stick with me in RPG storylines.  Not the epic bombast, but the more "human" moments where the characters just kinda get to be themselves. 
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 30, 2014, 07:48:39 PM

I think the Fairy Fencer F may be a step closer to that.  It's reportedly darker than FFF (which had a darker undertone than most Compile Heart games), and considering that FFF had less frequent and more toned-down fanservice than other Compile Heart games... Klyde, the people may think we're crazy, but I believe with you... on the wings of an eagle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRXxjDT53rg





You can already see it happening with each title they release. One need only look as far as the Vita incarnations of the Hyperdimension series to see the CH/IF potential. All they really need to do at this point is approach a game tonally and in terms of art direction from different/darker angles and they'll nail it. This is SURE to happen on the PS4 in my mind.

Look at how few people cared to pay attention to the first Persona on PS1 because it was a mechanically jarring and messy experience. I'm not saying CH/IF is gonna pump out the next Persona or be the next Atlus. However, I do see them coming into their own and standing toe to toe with such "titans" with their own IP in time.

So let the masses think we are 1 or 2 short of a six pack Din. Worst case scenario is we remained stoked about the future while the nay sayers keep whining about bad games! LoL

Even if I'm wrong, I like having things to look forward to :)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 30, 2014, 07:58:16 PM
It's like I've said in other threads lately, it's the little moments like that that stick with me in RPG storylines.  Not the epic bombast, but the more "human" moments where the characters just kinda get to be themselves. 


This ^

It's what Tales games used to be good at doing, and what the ATEs were great about in FFIX.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 30, 2014, 08:03:25 PM
That's sort of what bugged me about the first big FF15 E3 trailer is it just looked like those "BIG MOMENTS" in the game.  Obviously hard to blame them there on the big reintroduction for the game, but a lot of the recent FF's have felt more about just those moments than anything else really (so again, the "bro-journey" aspect might be a good way to flesh out the smaller moments).

And Tales got bad at skits?  I can't say I pay attention much I guess (perhaps because they're mostly unnecessary fun to begin with, easily skipped if they aren't good, and a chuckle or major/minor character insight if they are).

Sort of on-topic: I will say I enjoyed the side/character chapters in ToX2 than the main plot. :S
It wasn't that bad, ideas-wise, but I thought the way it was told was terribly "messy" for the most part.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on November 30, 2014, 08:29:00 PM
Not necessarily the skits, but I definitely haven't had any interest in Tales casts in a while. I like Xillia's less with each passing day. They just don't do any of the effort to show why those characters should be together (or why they're interesting). I haven't found a Tales cast to be especially engaging since Vesperia. It's just getting a little too iterative and tropey, without any of the effort that used to be involved at building that cast up. It's okay to use tropes if you make me believe those characters would be together and have interesting things happen to them. Perfect example are Alvin and Jude having 'bro-moments' after battle: at no point in that game do they ever have anything approaching a buddy-buddy relationship moment, but the game just expects me to assume that they've become bros because reasons?

Versus all the banter and joking and small character moments in, say, Abyss, that establish Jade, Luke, and Guy's relationship building up to things like the 'you're weak, you're a hack, you're whack' victory quote. I believed that they'd come up wit hsomething dumb like that, because the game had done the legwork in actually establishing their relationships.

/rantover

yeah i hope there are small moments in FFXV
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 30, 2014, 08:46:18 PM
Not necessarily the skits, but I definitely haven't had any interest in Tales casts in a while. I like Xillia's less with each passing day. They just don't do any of the effort to show why those characters should be together (or why they're interesting). I haven't found a Tales cast to be especially engaging since Vesperia. It's just getting a little too iterative and tropey, without any of the effort that used to be involved at building that cast up. It's okay to use tropes if you make me believe those characters would be together and have interesting things happen to them. Perfect example are Alvin and Jude having 'bro-moments' after battle: at no point in that game do they ever have anything approaching a buddy-buddy relationship moment, but the game just expects me to assume that they've become bros because reasons?

Versus all the banter and joking and small character moments in, say, Abyss, that establish Jade, Luke, and Guy's relationship building up to things like the 'you're weak, you're a hack, you're whack' victory quote. I believed that they'd come up wit hsomething dumb like that, because the game had done the legwork in actually establishing their relationships.

/rantover

yeah i hope there are small moments in FFXV

Ah, ok, that explains things a bit better.

Yeah, the chemistry of the older titles was way tighter for sure where character relationships were better at writing the material.  The new ones feel more like the material being simple 'made up' and just working for characters and working off individual personalities more than, again, "chemistry".

I kind of blame the environment of modern gaming for this though.  Where everything important usually gets tossed into a cutscene.  The PS2/PSX era you could write and write as many dialogue boxes as you wanted; now it has to be voice acted and performed and each scene feels like it has to mean something.  Trails in the Sky is great for this where they almost literally have a novel's worth of dialogue to beef up the game and contextualize it as much as they want.

I'm not too sure I'd factor in win quotes since half the time they're either pretty standard ("We did it!") or pretty goofy (Graces especially did a great job here despite the aimless and one-track cast). 
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on November 30, 2014, 09:32:31 PM
So what you will about Graces, but any Sophie-Malik interactions were pure gold.  Those have got to be some of my favorite skits in the franchise.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on November 30, 2014, 10:16:56 PM
So what you will about Graces, but any Sophie-Malik interactions were pure gold.  Those have got to be some of my favorite skits in the franchise.

Definitely in the top few, but I kind of prefer Rita + Karol skits a bit more.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on November 30, 2014, 10:24:26 PM
They're all pretty good.  I like Hubert's passive-aggressive attitude too.
"We should give it our best.... That wasn't it".

Also Raven's reading for the win quote had me laughing.
"Our powers are love!"
"Justice!"
"Sexuality~~"
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: CoreSignal on December 01, 2014, 01:56:29 AM
That's sort of what bugged me about the first big FF15 E3 trailer is it just looked like those "BIG MOMENTS" in the game.  Obviously hard to blame them there on the big reintroduction for the game, but a lot of the recent FF's have felt more about just those moments than anything else really (so again, the "bro-journey" aspect might be a good way to flesh out the smaller moments).

The FF15 E3 trailer from last year looked amazing, but yeah, it was pretty much all bombast. I thought the TGS trailer was a little better, showing us a little "bro-banter" between Noctis and his buddies. Hopefully, it's a sign that the story won't be just massive plot twists with little emphasis on characterization.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: The Legendary Zoltan on December 03, 2014, 05:55:47 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing what the other female character is like. They showed a bit of the blond woman but not the black-haired one.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on December 14, 2014, 06:22:44 AM
i always find it intresting when people say lightning is hard to relate too. at least in the first game i found her very relatable. i even have an annoying little brother like hope. perhaps i have a human experience that is uncommon
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on December 14, 2014, 01:38:33 PM
I've dated ice queens before.  Cold, domineering, super closed off.  I can't sustain a relationship with someone like that.  I'm a warm and friendly person and I seek that out in others.  Domineering is a turn off because I don't like being told what to do and how to do it.  Super closed off- well, a big turn on for me is when I can just talk with a girl for hours on end about nothing and everything all at once.  A conversation with an ice queen like Lightning would be like pulling teeth, and when I'm on a date and the conversation feels like pulling teeth, I'm out. 

So from a real life standpoint, yes, Lightning is difficult to relate to.  It's difficult for me to relate to a girl who's cold, domineering and uncommunicative.  There are guys who totally go for that, but I'm not one of them.

But like I said before, it's because I can't relate well to Lightning is what made her interesting for me.  Although trying at first, it was interesting to follow a character who's such a polar opposite of me.  I think that's also a reason a lot of people hated Tidus.  Let's face it, most of us were dorks/dweebs/etc. in high school who had zero clout on the social totem pole.  Tidus was a jock.  Jocks were the highest on the social totem pole, thus they were pretty entitled due to their popularity.  Tidus immediately went from being the entitled big fish in a small pond to being a complete nobody who actually had to work to get anything and it's hard to adapt. 

As for Hope, I felt like he and Lightning helped each other grow a lot. 
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 14, 2014, 03:22:37 PM
Just FYI, I didn't find Lightning hard to relate to. I just found her boring, especially compared to all of the far more interesting and likeable characters in the cast. I feel the ensemble wouldn't be complete without her, though, so I'm glad she was in the game.

...I can't believe I'm continuing the FFXIII tangent when there's a perfectly good Tales tangent right above it...;_;
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 14, 2014, 03:33:43 PM
Ice queen is the weirdest thing I've seen Lightning being called. And is mostly weird to me since I know her background story fairly well, and she's not one. If anything she can be a bit dense with her being as determined as she is, but an ice queen? No.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on December 15, 2014, 12:08:28 PM
English Trailer came out today:

I... errr.... yeah.

Anytime the sub or dub argument comes up, I always prefer dubs, even mediocre dubs are better than experiencing a movie/game through subtitles. So I'm not biased towards original language tracks, and almost never care when a company makes a big deal about their Western release having dual audio, but this time... I don't know why I just really hate the English cast, even the little bit we hear from them in this trailer. Maybe because you can already tell each charracter is a living, breathing JRPG trope. It almost sounds like they're all voiced by the same VA talking in different pitches and different levels of gruffness.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2014, 01:03:15 PM
I thought it was fine enough.  Noctis sounds good, but the last line was completely stupid... "It's been a long time...too long... not much longer"  ..LIKE, HUH????  Who speaks like that?!?!  Here's hoping the script gets better than this one instance, but since it's a 'busy trailer' (ie; a gameplay-focused one) I can't really judge it that much.

Otherwise Noctis sounds 'cool', that big guy sounds like 'that bug guy', the smart dude sounds all fancy pants, and the blonde haired twerp is obnoxious and louder than the lot.  For the most part, games do a pretty good job with casting these days, I'm more worried again about a shitty script coming through from Square Enix like its plagued the last few FFs; but I'd say you're on the money, Klutz, about them basically embodying JRPG tropes, but I'm not sure what you're supposed to do about that.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on December 15, 2014, 01:24:27 PM
The new trailer actually got me kind of amped to see how this thing turns out.

I don't know if that means anything though, since I remember seeing the first few trailers for XIII and thinking it looked impossibly stupid (and then I ended up loving the game).

As much as it hurts me to say this, the voice of the big guy in XV actually sounds like an even more deplorable meathead douchebag than Snow was.  And I'm not sure that's even possible. 

Also, the audio tracks were most likely dubbed over the FMV footage, instead of ripped directly from the actual game, so that could have something to do with why they sound so wooden.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2014, 02:01:50 PM
Also, the audio tracks were most likely dubbed over the FMV footage, instead of ripped directly from the actual game, so that could have something to do with why they sound so wooden.

That's incredibly possible and it could explain why nothing sounds like it's being said 'in distance'.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on December 15, 2014, 02:48:39 PM
I thought it was fine enough.  Noctis sounds good, but the last line was completely stupid... "It's been a long time...too long... not much longer"  ..LIKE, HUH????  Who speaks like that?!?! 

People with hastily-translated and not smoothly-localized Japanese dialogue :D
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 15, 2014, 03:04:43 PM
For all the nitpicking that has been going on for years, I'm sure XV gonna sell well regardless.

Alisha is gonna get really mad when she sees the 'Greatest Hits' logo on the box. Haha.

As much as it hurts me to say this, the voice of the big guy in XV actually sounds like an even more deplorable meathead douchebag than Snow was.  And I'm not sure that's even possible.

You are confusing your personal dislike for the character for what the character actually is within the narrative of XIII.

It's cool though. I didn't get his character or motivations clearly until like, my 3rd playthrough.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2014, 03:43:26 PM
I thought it was fine enough.  Noctis sounds good, but the last line was completely stupid... "It's been a long time...too long... not much longer"  ..LIKE, HUH????  Who speaks like that?!?! 

People with hastily-translated and not smoothly-localized Japanese dialogue :D

But-but....the Japanese subtitled trailer was so much better. D:
Quote
"It's been a long time coming... Almost there"
Much better!

I'm not really judging I just thought it was funny as hell (and slightly baffling after coming off a school semester where I try to avoid such repetitive word use or sentence fragmentation).  Some folks are saying the line references FF15's 'delayed development' status in general (IMO Kid Icarus Uprising is the all-time winner for self-referencing this in their own game though)...

Anyways, like I said, most of the time, video games are pretty well cast these days.  Wooden voice acting for now, but I'm sure it'll get better, it usually does, and for the most part tragedies like Chaos Wars are few and far between and mostly a thing of the past.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on December 15, 2014, 04:04:59 PM
Yeah, I"m confident the VA in this will be at least pretty good. This probably was a very rushed job, and I'm betting they didn't have a whole lot of direction for a trailer dub.
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Post by: Kevadu on December 15, 2014, 05:58:45 PM
But-but....the Japanese subtitled trailer was so much better. D:
Quote
"It's been a long time coming... Almost there"
Much better!

More accurate, too.  I don't really get what they were trying to do with the dub...it's not a literal translation and it's certainly not a natural-sounding translation.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on December 15, 2014, 08:22:54 PM
For all the nitpicking that has been going on for years, I'm sure XV gonna sell well regardless.

Alisha is gonna get really mad when she sees the 'Greatest Hits' logo on the box. Haha.

As much as it hurts me to say this, the voice of the big guy in XV actually sounds like an even more deplorable meathead douchebag than Snow was.  And I'm not sure that's even possible.

You are confusing your personal dislike for the character for what the character actually is within the narrative of XIII.

It's cool though. I didn't get his character or motivations clearly until like, my 3rd playthrough.

to be fair if this wasn't a mainline FF game i wouldnt care. and i wonder if i'm gonna have to endure a generation of 15, 15-2, 15-3
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 15, 2014, 11:13:52 PM
to be fair if this wasn't a mainline FF game i wouldnt care. and i wonder if i'm gonna have to endure a generation of 15, 15-2, 15-3

You don't have to endure anything really, but well, here you go (http://gematsu.com/2013/08/square-enix-trademarks-a-world-of-the-versus-epic).
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Post by: CoreSignal on December 16, 2014, 02:18:55 AM
The voice acting in the trailer sounds ok so far. Then again, you can't really tell from just dialogue snippets and battle cries. I'll reserve any final judgments until after we see a story scene or something longer.

Yeah, I"m confident the VA in this will be at least pretty good. This probably was a very rushed job, and I'm betting they didn't have a whole lot of direction for a trailer dub.

Me too. Square-Enix localizations, especially FF games, generally have high quality voice acting. I mean, even the FF 12 International version uses the English VA cast. And while some people don't like the FF 13 trilogy's English cast, I thought they did a fine job. There's a difference between actual "bad" acting and acting out a bad script.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on December 17, 2014, 05:54:11 AM
you know theres something i'm curious about. how much free reign do FF developers have? my gut reaction to the cast being all male is that it was a marketing decision. but i can say as the sister of a few dude bro's that wont work. it's kinda like swooning over a girl and instead of being yourself you try to be what you think she would like and that never works. it might get you laid once or twice but it wont work long term. and it pisses off your old friends who you ditched to persue that girl.

theorycraft and metaphor over.
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Post by: Cyril on December 17, 2014, 06:04:48 AM
Yeah, the voice acting sound really rough.  No way that's final, more like a placeholder.  People are making a big fuss about it on other sites for some reason.

I do admit that it's a bit embarrassing they released something of that quality, though, since SE tends to have good dubs.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on December 17, 2014, 04:09:14 PM
you know theres something i'm curious about. how much free reign do FF developers have? my gut reaction to the cast being all male is that it was a marketing decision. but i can say as the sister of a few dude bro's that wont work. it's kinda like swooning over a girl and instead of being yourself you try to be what you think she would like and that never works. it might get you laid once or twice but it wont work long term. and it pisses off your old friends who you ditched to persue that girl.

theorycraft and metaphor over.

I feel that this might be more of Nomura's decision than anything else really. Partly due to the 'Romeo + Juliet in Neo Tokyo' angle, but also partly due to the fact that Nomura was never really that good with leading females. I mean, it took till BBS for KH to have a female original that wasn't just 'in another castle' or a rank and file mook, and she still wound up stuffed in a fridge by the end of the game.

That said, I can't really argue with the decision on this one due to the FF series already getting an all-female JPop band as a counterpoint; and hell, they've already straight up cut a party member (probably due to there not being enough wingmen clichés) and it doesn't seem that you'll be able to play as the others. A female party member at this stage would be a moot point at best (and an awful shoehorned concession at worst).

Besides, there's always the chance that FFXV-2 or whatever may focus on the 'Juliet' side of things so it might not be a total loss anyway (roll on through the mediocre main game to get to the awesome sidestory featuring the character that's spending her time doing sick nasty plot things pivotal to the story instead of performing Thundera Drive-bys' on the local fauna during my National Lampoon's Vacation).

That said, if there's one thing I desperately want this game to have, it's the ability to drop massive Firagas/Flares into the direct wake of the car and the ability to control the camera angle while driving (the ability to perform sweet ramps would be nice). I'm going to Hollywood this game up so bad, it'll feel like I'm playing a Micheal Bay film.
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Post by: Dice on December 17, 2014, 04:21:02 PM
Yeah, the voice acting sound really rough.  No way that's final, more like a placeholder.  People are making a big fuss about it on other sites for some reason.

I do admit that it's a bit embarrassing they released something of that quality, though, since SE tends to have good dubs.

I don't get what level of vocal talent people are expecting for a road trip segment.  My initial gripes aside with the really lame last lines Noctis spouts out (and yeah, this does sound placeholder) then this is much ado about nothing.
If the big, emotional, and dramatic scenes sound like this (http://youtu.be/3IPIPLM8ELY) in the end product, then we can all point and laugh again. x)
But hell, the actors of FF13 managed to act their scenes convincingly enough, so I'm sure this will be no different.

I do find it funny how ...'news worthy' English dubbed trailers can be though.  It's interesting in a way.
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Post by: pseudonym on December 19, 2014, 04:40:26 AM

I don't get what level of vocal talent people are expecting for a road trip segment.  My initial gripes aside with the really lame last lines Noctis spouts out (and yeah, this does sound placeholder) then this is much ado about nothing.
If the big, emotional, and dramatic scenes sound like this (http://youtu.be/3IPIPLM8ELY) in the end product, then we can all point and laugh again. x)


What are we fighting for...aggghaaaarrrrr?!?
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Post by: Aeolus on December 19, 2014, 07:17:21 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/12/19/final-fantasy-xv-might-series-first-female-cid/

Its not much, but a Fem Cid (Cidy? Sidy? Cindy? 'something something Cid something'?) isn't entirely without merit award.
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Post by: Dincrest on December 19, 2014, 08:00:23 PM
Or maybe Cidney as a play on Sydney- which is primarily a girl's name, Sidney Poitier notwithstanding.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on December 20, 2014, 01:00:16 AM
JUMP FESTA '15 Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6UW9CL97wM) -- Square Portal, YouTube

(http://a.pomf.se/mnwqnv.gif)
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Post by: Taelus on December 20, 2014, 01:05:37 AM
I am beyond hyped. The music in that trailer is fucking fantastic and Titan and the twns and lady Cid saljgkg
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Post by: Dice on December 20, 2014, 01:20:49 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/eetm8FE.jpg)
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Post by: CoreSignal on December 20, 2014, 02:19:40 AM
Another great trailer, I still can't believe this game is real, lol. I'm glad we finally get see a town area with npcs and it looks pretty nice. And not only a new female character, but possibly a female Cid!? (I couldn't hear if it was Cid/Sid or Sydney either). It looks like the devs are really putting an emphasis on the scale of the game, with all the massive open areas and gigantic enemies. By the way, the VA for the suave guy with glasses (Ignis?) sounds a lot like Gideon Emery, aka Balthier from FF 12.
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Post by: Aeolus on December 20, 2014, 02:34:13 AM
Or maybe Cidney as a play on Sydney- which is primarily a girl's name, Sidney Poitier notwithstanding.

Or maybe not.

http://www.siliconera.com/2014/12/19/female-mechanic-final-fantasy-xv-named-cindy/

I wonder if she has some sisters named Mindy and Sandy?
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Post by: Dincrest on December 20, 2014, 06:51:30 AM
Maybe Cid's her nickname because her dad wanted a boy and she's tomboyish. 

Or not. 
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Post by: Klutz64 on December 20, 2014, 04:11:01 PM
That was pretty amazing.

Though it does kind of highlight how odd it is with the really simple modern look of the cars and then the ultra-futuristic look of everything else, except maybe some of the buildings.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on December 20, 2014, 04:40:20 PM
Final Fantasy XV at Jump Festa 2015: New trailer and gameplay details (http://gematsu.com/2014/12/final-fantasy-xv-jump-festa-2015-new-trailer-gameplay-details) -- Gematsu

(http://i.imgur.com/dCk8n80.png)

That was pretty amazing.

Though it does kind of highlight how odd it is with the really simple modern look of the cars and then the ultra-futuristic look of everything else, except maybe some of the buildings.

"Fantasy based on reality".
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Post by: Cyril on December 20, 2014, 05:06:16 PM
I wouldn't even go that far.  Some people still drive around in cars from the 50s, even now.

I imagine it might be similar here.  It's simply an older car.
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Post by: Dincrest on December 20, 2014, 05:10:19 PM
Yeah, I mean, it's more fun to road trip in a vintage hot rod drop-top, right?  Sure, a van would be more practical since you could carry all kinds of stuff like a cooler and camping gear, maybe even have enough room to sleep (albeit cramped like sardines) if they can't afford a hotel room or find a campsite to stake a tent, but it wouldn't look as cool, even if the van had flames painted on the sides and everything.
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Post by: Aeolus on December 20, 2014, 09:14:38 PM
I wouldn't even go that far.  Some people still drive around in cars from the 50s, even now.

I imagine it might be similar here.  It's simply an older car.

Yeah, tell me about it. Lifting that Cuba embargo now was the best thing to happen for my vintage car collecting self.


Yeah, I mean, it's more fun to road trip in a vintage hot rod drop-top, right?  Sure, a van would be more practical since you could carry all kinds of stuff like a cooler and camping gear, maybe even have enough room to sleep (albeit cramped like sardines) if they can't afford a hotel room or find a campsite to stake a tent, but it wouldn't look as cool, even if the van had flames painted on the sides and everything.

For large ass Americans, this is a problem. But for our swank compact Japanese Boy Band here, they've got room to spare. Not like they really need a lot of cargo anyways since they have two things that real world travelers will never have; magic and wild game fucking everywhere. Even boredom can't last in the face of spraying thunderbolts from the side of the car and watching an entire field of wildlife burn. And hunger? Stop the car, light off a Fira in a random direction, then saunter on over and collect your fully meal for the evening. Want something for later on? Do the same, but cast Blizzara instead. If you're thirsty? Cast Water over a cup. Need a place to sleep? Cast Firaga, then Quake, then Mighty Guard, then drop a bed roll down and call it a night any time, any place (unless its a salt flat/alkali bed, in which case you replace Firaga and Quake with Float).
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Post by: Yggdrasil on January 22, 2015, 01:17:31 PM
Video Interview with Wan Hazmer [Take 1] – Lead Game Designer for Final Fantasy XV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2pFUJLx55c) -- Travel Garage TV, YouTube
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Post by: Cyril on February 13, 2015, 01:41:08 PM
So, about the camping news.

I have a huge weakness towards games where you and your party camp and you're not just watching scenes with them talking, but can actually move around and interact.  I know it may be a bit much to ask, but I'd prefer if they went BoF-esque and you can walk around camp and talk to your friends about their opinions on current events.

But really, I just love camping.  It adds so much to a game for me.  Color me excited about this seemingly mundane addition.
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Post by: Taelus on February 13, 2015, 02:00:45 PM
So, about the camping news.

I have a huge weakness towards games where you and your party camp and you're not just watching scenes with them talking, but can actually move around and interact.  I know it may be a bit much to ask, but I'd prefer if they went BoF-esque and you can walk around camp and talk to your friends about their opinions on current events.

But really, I just love camping.  It adds so much to a game for me.  Color me excited about this seemingly mundane addition.

I agree. I love it when Tales games do skits, and I love Darkest Dungeon's camping scenes (though they're a little more canned). These are moments when the world isn't ending or breaking around you and you can get actual character displays. <3
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Post by: Dice on February 13, 2015, 02:26:04 PM
Grandia's eating/campfire scenes were great too.  Especially the first game which, despite being a PS1 game, had a pretty solid and sassy script.  And obviously FF9's idea of this as well is great (FF in general is always good with giving the player a break).

Games with some time devoted to 'downtime' are wonderful.
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Post by: Dice on February 27, 2015, 04:38:09 PM
New Concept Art:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=153898688&postcount=1

I always thought FF8's Esther was cool and tragically underexplored.  This FF15 place reminds me of it, looks fantastic, and hopefully promises some sights worth seeing
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Post by: timmyFd on February 28, 2015, 06:00:42 AM
Grandia's eating/campfire scenes were great too.  Especially the first game which, despite being a PS1 game, had a pretty solid and sassy script.  And obviously FF9's idea of this as well is great (FF in general is always good with giving the player a break).

Games with some time devoted to 'downtime' are wonderful.

Totally agree. I always remembered Grandia for that. Very hard to explain why I liked that so much, but I just did.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on February 28, 2015, 01:33:44 PM
Video Interview with Wan Hazmer [Take 2] – Lead Game Designer for Final Fantasy XV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuYArlr-0Ck) -- Travel Garage TV, YouTube

---

from Nova Crystallis & Niche Gamer:

・The Dungeons and Wildlife of Final Fantasy XV (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2015/02/the-dungeons-and-wildlife-of-final-fantasy-xv/)
・Details and English Footage from London's ATR Livestream (http://nichegamer.com/2015/02/final-fantasy-xv-details-and-english-footage-from-londons-atr-livestream/)

(http://i.imgur.com/jAjLlyA.png)
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Post by: Taelus on February 28, 2015, 06:37:24 PM
Grandia's eating/campfire scenes were great too.  Especially the first game which, despite being a PS1 game, had a pretty solid and sassy script.  And obviously FF9's idea of this as well is great (FF in general is always good with giving the player a break).

Games with some time devoted to 'downtime' are wonderful.

Totally agree. I always remembered Grandia for that. Very hard to explain why I liked that so much, but I just did.

I always argue that the downtime is so important because it establishes a 'normal' dynamic for the characters and makes them feel relatable. If all your party is ever doing is handling political intrigue and being assassinated and fighting Sephirothojesus, you don't get a sense of them as regular people who, like, eat food and joke around and act normal. It's why skits, ATEs in FFIX, Grandia's campfire scenes, etc, are so successful. They make you care about them as regular people, which gets you more invested in the whole "I AM GOING TO GO FIGHT DARK GODS" stuff.

I feel really good about the campfire scenes in this one for the same reason.
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Post by: timmyFd on March 02, 2015, 02:47:59 PM

I always argue that the downtime is so important because it establishes a 'normal' dynamic for the characters and makes them feel relatable. If all your party is ever doing is handling political intrigue and being assassinated and fighting Sephirothojesus, you don't get a sense of them as regular people who, like, eat food and joke around and act normal. It's why skits, ATEs in FFIX, Grandia's campfire scenes, etc, are so successful. They make you care about them as regular people, which gets you more invested in the whole "I AM GOING TO GO FIGHT DARK GODS" stuff.

I feel really good about the campfire scenes in this one for the same reason.

Yeah, that's probably it. Same reason it's important to have small talk in games, and other fiction too. That's the great point that Tarantino was trying to put across in Pulp Fiction. Everyone just has meaningless small talk about random shit. No-one just talks business all the time.
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Post by: Klutz64 on March 07, 2015, 03:45:57 PM
Reading RPGFan's livetweets of the PAX panel and I've realized that as this title gets closer my interest in it has evolved dramatically.

From

"Ugh. Get yer ugly J-pop group out of my Final Fantasy. Why is he warping around that looks way too DMC. He can just summon weapons? That sounds so cheap."

To

"OMG OMG OMG SHINY NEW FINAL FANTASY!! I WANT IT NOW! I WANT IT NOW! I WANT IT NNNNOOOOWWWWW!!!

EDIT: I hope when you inevitably get an Airship, it's still the car. Like, Fem Cid just gives the car the ability to fly.
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Post by: Taelus on March 07, 2015, 04:04:20 PM
Like the Epoch!

Also thanks for reading the tweets. I put some time into that :)
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Post by: Dice on March 07, 2015, 11:17:25 PM

EDIT: I hope when you inevitably get an Airship, it's still the car. Like, Fem Cid just gives the car the ability to fly.

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/f415c8cac755f88c109adaaff4df41df/tumblr_mkvwa5QUdy1rvjt2vo3_500.gif)
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Post by: Iron Maw on March 08, 2015, 11:56:41 AM
Famitsu Gameplay form PAX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFIgqrjwnWY
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Post by: Aeolus on March 09, 2015, 07:34:10 AM
You know, thinking about it. I have this sudden desire to wish that the gang's truckster could actually be modified to the point where it could out-gadget 'A Certain Talking TransAm'. I mean, sure they'd be restricted to using the power boost once per story arc, but just being able to tear up a dirt road while that Vroo-Vroo sound.


Alternatively:
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/6784c82d505e68ea96286f2d97681fac/tumblr_n5yco6lvoS1qdlh1io1_400.gif)
having the car do this at some point would also be acceptable. "IS THIS REALISTIC ENOUGH FOR YOU SQUEENIX!?!?"
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Post by: Dincrest on March 10, 2015, 07:12:51 PM
How about flying a tank? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK2eV6KEgko
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Post by: timmyFd on March 11, 2015, 11:17:24 AM
EDIT: I hope when you inevitably get an Airship, it's still the car. Like, Fem Cid just gives the car the ability to fly.

Didn't they say they might not be having an airship? I hope they do. So much better than fast travelling.
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Post by: Alisha on March 12, 2015, 01:19:20 PM
if you want airships your looking at the wrong final fantasy game.
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Post by: Taelus on March 12, 2015, 02:01:39 PM
if you want airships your looking at the wrong final fantasy game.

is that based on the several we've seen in cutscenes already or the director saying "we might have airships" because nothing I've heard yet suggests it's impossible ^^
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Post by: Dice on March 12, 2015, 04:24:36 PM
I want a flying whale again.

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Post by: Agent D. on March 12, 2015, 04:37:01 PM
I want a sleigh pulled by Black Chocobos...
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Post by: Bleaker on March 16, 2015, 08:08:28 AM
So does anyone have tomorrow hype? I've got tomorrow hype.
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Post by: Mickeymac92 on March 16, 2015, 09:40:11 AM
Thankfully I got the day off tomorrow and the next day. Too bad my bro just went back to Boston, would've been a nice Birthday present for him (his B-Day is tomorrow).
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Post by: Agent D. on March 16, 2015, 06:14:46 PM
Was supposed to be off tomorrow, schedule changed this morning when my father decided he felt to ill to handle the call today and changed it to tomorrow. I am not pleased.
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Post by: Klutz64 on March 17, 2015, 06:15:02 PM
Ugh... I want to like this so bad but in it's current state I might just have to ignore it unless some major improvements happen. As the site's previews mentioned, the battle system is unwieldy to an incredibly annoying degree. The game has essentially brought back random encounters the way enemies suddenly show up, and night battles are a joke. Like, I get that they're supposed to be tougher than fighting during the day, but when you can literally fight for an hour because enemies won't stop spawning it's officially unreasonable.

The environment design is really nice. Finding your way back to the road really has that "modern wilderness" feel to it. I don't hate the characters, even Prompto isn't nearly as annoying as I thought he would be. So the game definitely has potential.

That being said, if the Behemoth fight is an accurate depiction of the game's difficulty, the whole thing can fuck off as far as I'm concerned.

Wish Square Enix would step away from the whole "Your HP is designed to make it through a single encounter, so one wrong move will spell disaster" theory of RPG design. I'm not loving Type-0 for the exact same reason.
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Post by: timmyFd on March 17, 2015, 06:28:03 PM
I want a flying whale again.



My favourite review of FF10 back in the day, the source of which I've sadly forgotten, described the story as being "trying to kill your dad who's turned into a giant catholic death whale."
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Post by: Blace on March 17, 2015, 09:39:09 PM
I liked what I played of the demo, but I didn't finish it. I liked the voice acting so far and the graphics are great. The problems mentioned in the hands on preview for the site are pretty spot on. Camera goes crazy sometimes and needs fixed and they need to speed up some stuff. Other than that though, I came away pretty impressed and hyped up. I kind of don't want to finish it just so I experience this segment in the game the way it was intended on the final release. Sounds weird, but I always do this with demos. I hardly every finish them. I just use them to get a good feel for a game then quit.
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Post by: Taelus on March 17, 2015, 09:41:49 PM
The ONLY reason I'd say you should finish it is because the finale is absurdly awesome. And also because from what I understand, this scenario won't actually be in the full game!
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Post by: Mickeymac92 on March 17, 2015, 09:43:34 PM
I really don't want to play the demo without my bro, but I probably won't see him again until November. :( If the release date for the final game comes before then, I might not be able to hold out...
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Post by: Aeolus on March 17, 2015, 10:30:47 PM
Ugh... I want to like this so bad but in it's current state I might just have to ignore it unless some major improvements happen. As the site's previews mentioned, the battle system is unwieldy to an incredibly annoying degree. The game has essentially brought back random encounters the way enemies suddenly show up, and night battles are a joke. Like, I get that they're supposed to be tougher than fighting during the day, but when you can literally fight for an hour because enemies won't stop spawning it's officially unreasonable.

The environment design is really nice. Finding your way back to the road really has that "modern wilderness" feel to it. I don't hate the characters, even Prompto isn't nearly as annoying as I thought he would be. So the game definitely has potential.

That being said, if the Behemoth fight is an accurate depiction of the game's difficulty, the whole thing can fuck off as far as I'm concerned.

Wish Square Enix would step away from the whole "Your HP is designed to make it through a single encounter, so one wrong move will spell disaster" theory of RPG design. I'm not loving Type-0 for the exact same reason.

The 3rd Birthday had the same problem as well. Especially on the harder difficulties (with the hardest one being the most esoteric due to a sudden change of gameplay mechanics) where the red shirt NPCs are more durable than you are, and everything above the lowest level mook will probably one-round you if they can't straight up one-shot you.


I really don't want to play the demo without my bro, but I probably won't see him again until November. :( If the release date for the final game comes before then, I might not be able to hold out...

This is a mainline Final Fantasy game we're talking about. There's no way that it'll come out before 2026.

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If anything, the earliest I'd expect to see it would be Black Friday, so you'll at least have Turkey Day to play with your bro.
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Post by: Blace on March 18, 2015, 10:16:35 AM
The ONLY reason I'd say you should finish it is because the finale is absurdly awesome. And also because from what I understand, this scenario won't actually be in the full game!

Well, you convinced me. Gotta finish this tonight after work now haha. Thanks for the info!
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Post by: Klutz64 on March 18, 2015, 11:29:27 AM
Finished it this morning. Makes me wonder how leveling is going to be in the actual game. I ended up at level 30 with all the random encounters you're thrust into trying to get from place to place.
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Post by: timmyFd on March 19, 2015, 03:08:27 AM
The ONLY reason I'd say you should finish it is because the finale is absurdly awesome. And also because from what I understand, this scenario won't actually be in the full game!

You guys considered doing a video playthrough or something like that?
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Post by: Taelus on March 19, 2015, 04:23:30 PM
Would that be something you all would want to see? I could probably get Rob and make him play through it with me.
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Post by: Yoda on March 19, 2015, 11:00:42 PM
So did they just take FF13's soundtrack because nobody played that game and use it again?

Sounds pretty much the same to me.
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Post by: Taelus on March 19, 2015, 11:05:40 PM
Wow, disagree. Holy moly.
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Post by: Yoda on March 19, 2015, 11:40:31 PM
Same sweeping string arrangements with jazzy piano in the back.


Tagged and bagged
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Post by: CoreSignal on March 20, 2015, 12:51:11 AM
Would that be something you all would want to see? I could probably get Rob and make him play through it with me.

Cool. Looking forward to the color commentary from you and Rob.
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Post by: Yoda on March 20, 2015, 12:53:41 AM
Ok I finally played it and I'll eat crow, but I wish they did something more to differentiate the soundtracks
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Post by: Dice on March 21, 2015, 02:36:30 AM
Ok I finally played it and I'll eat crow, but I wish they did something more to differentiate the soundtracks

I can hear how you'd think that, but I've listened to the two of them enough to know the difference.  They have similar qualities (certainly both have that 'sweeping melody' kind of quality to their songs and they rock out hard and beautifully with pianos)
...but also you used some poor phrasing when you have our diehard Shimomura admirer/RPGFan Music Podcast Host actively participating in this thread. :P
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Post by: Dice on March 21, 2015, 03:52:23 AM
PLAYED.  Late to the fun here, thanks to Canadian customs, but better than never. :)

I'm still advocating that demos are a terrible way to represent your product most of the time, but anyways...

Yeah.  It's pretty good.

= Square Enix really needs to change their voice director or create better scripted banter between party mates.  It's pretty stiff, and I'm kinda worried the game will be a 'no fun allowed' zone where that sort of fluff just doesn't make it into games these days.  I want those ATEs, I want the banter, I want the non-plot related dialogue.  I hate saying this, but maybe Last of Us sort of spoils players in this regard, that game really hit the nail on the head as far as character interactions (between the fighting) and choosing some choice dialogue for them to engage in (it was meaningful, revealing, plot-related, world-developing, and brilliantly acted to boot).  I'm also a huge fan of more studios having actors record lines together --- maybe this would have helped for more natural dialogue (even when the game 'tries' to be funny like with lame FF-related puns), but I know that's often difficult to realize.
Taelus was pretty spot on with "oddly regal four-eyes" and the obnoxious-looking blond brat being exactly that.  Oh, and:
Quote
*rescue comrade*
"You owe me one"
"Thanks, I owe you one"

Me: >_____>

= Noc and friends obviously won't go in water because of the amount of time put into fancy hairdos /dumjoke

= Easy way to instantly pretty up an already gorgeous game?  Stop making everyone wear black (it's sucking the fun from the environment and looks like a J-pop boy band going to a funeral). =/

= Awesome that the second enemy you see in FF15 is an FFV enemy.  *salute*
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070621205917/finalfantasy/images/b/b4/Garula-ffv.gif)

= While I love how neat and clean UI's are, I'd adore the modern age of gaming more
if EVERYTHING WASN'T IN A SIZE 6 FONT.  I think I read less more than make out the general size and shape of things and piece it all together in my head later.  The Weapons List off to the right (http://i.imgur.com/rpiT7Wm.jpg) is a good example of this, it is literally a box in a box that could really be used to "embiggen" words instead. :P
But seriously, this is a problem in way too many games (and I'm one of those people who don't like sitting too close).

= Combat feels simple enough but great to adapt into.  I'm not sure how fluid it is, the game does seem to still punish players (otherwise "Defending" would be too perfect), but it does feel nice.  I'd definitely need more time with, I pulled a few of those "look at the controller moments" when trying to figure things out (leave me alone this is my first day with a PS4!!  Fuck you 'share button'!!! D:< )

=I hope they like a hundred options in the options menu...and better targetting.

Despite the above sass, I liked it and I could see myself getting hooked, having a blast exploring and slaying things...  but if this is what just short of a decade of work has to show (and I'm sorry to pull that card) then I'm not terribly impressed.  That aside, it's still fun and I'd love more and I'm positive it'll see a ton of fine-tuning in the future and really expand with more game mechanics getting in there in the full version.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on March 21, 2015, 08:09:35 AM
Is it just me or are fonts getting smaller in console RPGs?  That's the biggest pet peeve I have with most all the PS3 RPGs I've played.  I like to keep a reasonable distance from my TV and I almost can't when the fonts are so small.  I've even complained about it in some 3DS games.  I miss the old days of bigger fonts.    Or the newer games need an option to increase font sizes, like my Kindle does.  That's why I favor it over trade paperbacks- I can make my fonts bigger for more pleasurable reading.   
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on March 21, 2015, 11:42:15 AM
Is it just me or are fonts getting smaller in console RPGs?  That's the biggest pet peeve I have with most all the PS3 RPGs I've played.  I like to keep a reasonable distance from my TV and I almost can't when the fonts are so small.  I've even complained about it in some 3DS games.  I miss the old days of bigger fonts.    Or the newer games need an option to increase font sizes, like my Kindle does.  That's why I favor it over trade paperbacks- I can make my fonts bigger for more pleasurable reading.   

Two options I'm surprised lack in games these days:
(1) Font sizes - I honestly can't see shit (the Weapons List that I posted about above being a huge problem in that or general 'bad use o space')
(2) Cross hair colour changes (for colourblind people; which are often males, arguably the demographic for these games) :P

I respect a clean UI, but not more than straining my eyesight.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on March 21, 2015, 12:16:53 PM
Our stream of the demo, if anyone was interested and missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh7V9dDek2Q
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Blace on March 21, 2015, 12:25:33 PM
Like you guys have said, the small font is ridiculous. Even the HP numbers at the bottom right are too small. They need to be bigger. I died a couple times because I couldn't tell what it said and it's in a weird spot.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: insertnamehere on March 22, 2015, 01:59:29 AM
I just noticed something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VAjGUtjwfU&t=20m0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhUFTPhrgjw
Play them simultaneously, they fit so well.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on March 22, 2015, 02:22:37 AM
Finished the demo; the 'Fan's preview was spot on basically about all my impressions as well.  Despite some awkward lines, I did end up liking the four fellas and would like to see more.

The targetting and the camera is a rotten mess and the character movement is at times 'too real' to be very useful and feel fully in control of battles (the camera similarly following in suit and being pretty useless and losing any sight of upcoming attacks).  I get that the battle system isn't Devil May Cry or whatever, but the peripheral elements [sometimes literally] around combat could get a huge overhaul.  And if the final game plays like the demo then it will EASILY kill the experience for me; but I do like the basic gameplay concept a lot!

I also hope the game takes a few nodes from Xenoblade and other action RPGs.  Certainly, yeah, because the enemies are jumping around like mad and it's hard to hit them, and if the enemies can't/won't be fixed, then hopefully the above issues are.  But also, as much as the wetlands were pretty, some quick-jump points (or easy Choco access) would be great.

I also hope there will be over-area music for next time!  The OST was lovely and I'd hope we're not deprived of it at any point (I say this mainly because Xenosaga Ep.I still haunts me as proof positive that silence can be deafening).

I do hope the Behwemoth boss was just some 'eye candy', because yeah, I agree with Klutz that it plays too strangely to be terribly fulfilling.

I admire NPCs.  Having Chocobo stable dates or talking 'bout gettin' their trucks through for a shipment.  While the Men in Black walk the wilderness attacked by all sorts of ugly monsters.

How the FUCK did CIDNEY'S name get changed to CINDY??? >:(
*kaboom*
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on March 22, 2015, 12:33:48 PM
Our stream of the demo, if anyone was interested and missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh7V9dDek2Q

Nice one! Much appreciated. And well done on your zero subscribers ;-)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on March 22, 2015, 12:37:54 PM
The important thing is to shoot for the moon, that way if you miss you're floating in space with 0 subscribers to help you out ;)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on March 22, 2015, 04:34:06 PM
Ha Rob had a borderline allergic reaction to unnecessary boobage.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on March 22, 2015, 04:49:28 PM
Ha Rob had a borderline allergic reaction to unnecessary boobage.

They took what could have been the best character and just completely lost it.  Arbitrary name change and gratuitous fanservice design because what's better than the sexy mechanic cliche?

Oh yeah
(http://ignis.anime-sharing.com/vault/files/14537_6ipiy/porco_rosso%5Bh264.vorbis%5D%5Bniizk%5D.mkv_snapshot_00.32.19_%5B46491%5D.png)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on March 22, 2015, 05:04:33 PM
Yeah it certainly didn't fit the tone of the game so far. Why best character though? Seems a bit too early to say when we know so little. Although arbitrarily tacked-on sex appeal doesn't necessary preclude the existence of a good character. I thought Tifa was the best character in FF7 and she was as bad as possible. At least in the cutscenes.

I'm also liking Ignis. Even if he is just male Quistis. Similar names and everything.

Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 22, 2015, 08:34:53 PM
"SQEX, make FF characters as unappealing and ugly as possible for the sake of political correctness despite the fact that culture (and I assume marketing as well) gets in the way of doing that. Please."

;)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on March 22, 2015, 09:02:26 PM
"SQEX, make FF characters as unappealing and ugly as possible for the sake of political correctness despite the fact that culture (and I assume marketing as well) gets in the way of doing that. Please."

;)

Sorry I must have missed something, who said to make them ugly?

Yeah it certainly didn't fit the tone of the game so far. Why best character though? Seems a bit too early to say when we know so little. Although arbitrarily tacked-on sex appeal doesn't necessary preclude the existence of a good character. I thought Tifa was the best character in FF7 and she was as bad as possible. At least in the cutscenes.

I'm also liking Ignis. Even if he is just male Quistis. Similar names and everything.

Tifa worked because bar maids can show some T&A.  Not all, of course, but she still looked like someone who owns a bar.  She wasn't very promiscuous or flirty anyways.  And yeah her in-game "pillow breasts" are a bit ridiculously proportioned, but she got sorted out a bit better by FF7AC and generally looks a-ok to me.

Never noticed the bit about Quistis/Ignis.  But I did like them, and even in the stereotype-fitting way, I do like the 'angles' that the FF15 bros fulfill (the leader, the smart one, the brute, the punky kid).  Honesyly, if I had to make a tier list for prettiest female FF character, I think Quistis would be way up there. 
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But I won't lie, she gets bonus points for being a rare case where an FF character doesn't have bangs in a world where like 90% of them do. :P 
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on March 22, 2015, 09:09:21 PM
"SQEX, make FF characters as unappealing and ugly as possible for the sake of political correctness despite the fact that culture (and I assume marketing as well) gets in the way of doing that. Please."

;)

No one said that. There's also nothing wrong with political correctness, even if they did. Cindy looks fucking ridiculous and as basically one of only two women in this entire game, the other of which is not-Namine, that's not exactly a balanced representation even by Final Fantasy standards.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 22, 2015, 10:03:51 PM
It was not a quote. I'll leave at that.

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Final Fantasy XV: Episode Duscae Timelapse (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajYgXFDIhOA)

Found this and I forgot to share it here for anybody interested.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on March 22, 2015, 11:48:15 PM
"SQEX, make FF characters as unappealing and ugly as possible for the sake of political correctness despite the fact that culture (and I assume marketing as well) gets in the way of doing that. Please."

;)

No one said that. There's also nothing wrong with political correctness, even if they did. Cindy looks fucking ridiculous and as basically one of only two women in this entire game, the other of which is not-Namine, that's not exactly a balanced representation even by Final Fantasy standards.

When I first saw Cindy Sandy (lets be honest, she looks far closer to the taller Magus Sister versus the fat one), I thought that outside of her massive bewbage spilling out of her silly looking yellow top, I wasn't too bothered and thought that she might even be an improvement over virtually every female character since X's Yuna. Then I learned that her ridiculous yellow top was a goddamn yellow top and not some kind of stylized Greasemonkey's jumpsuit (which I assumed was the case, since I was only looking at chest on up shots prior) when I finally saw a full body shot of her. My hopes for the second coming of the Banana-Splits Cid were raised only to be expertly dashed.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on March 23, 2015, 02:18:52 AM
"SQEX, make FF characters as unappealing and ugly as possible for the sake of political correctness despite the fact that culture (and I assume marketing as well) gets in the way of doing that. Please."

;)

Haha you make it sound like the default female character is naturally hyper-sexualised and then for the sake of political correctness (which I do agree with you and disagree with Taelus is often a bad thing), it's altered to comfort those pesky mindless progressives. That's not true at all. Surely the default has to be a character who's dressed in a way that's inkeeping with logic of the world. Everyone else we've seen in the world so far is dressed very realistically and sensibly. So unless they go to a beach or something, it does seem pretty arbitrary.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on March 26, 2015, 11:29:05 PM
Quote
For Tabata, the journey will have the cast adopting what he dubs a "boys will be boys" type demeanor. "It was the story we wanted to tell and what we wanted to show players," he explained.

"The world might be ready to see the curtain lifted on what boys do when girls aren't around, when they come out of the tent all prim and proper. That's kind of the idea behind it… we think, male or female player, that everyone will feel a certain connection and bond with the four characters."
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-15-director-talks-about-the-all-male/1100-6426084/

Fact: Girls have cooties.

But I do like the explanation, I just hope the actual dialogue can 'follow through' on this somewhat better than the demo might have implied.

I would really like to see more from the supporting female cast or hope they get their limelight later on.  Because,uh, Cidney (fuck it, that's her name to me) isn't much to go on from.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on March 26, 2015, 11:41:23 PM
They survey is up at http://www.finalfantasyxv.com/poll/

Requires a demo code.

I wrote:

Quote
"Concept, art style, and music are great. Most importantly, targeting/camera are very broken, techniques and attacks do not track enemies well enough. Noctis does not feel responsive enough, hitting enemies not satisfying as it is in the Kingdom Hearts series. The main characters' clothing is too uniform and too monochrome. Cindy's outfit is ridiculous and hurts her character. Voice acting is uneven; Prompto's voice acting is often too over the top."
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on March 26, 2015, 11:51:55 PM
They survey is up at http://www.finalfantasyxv.com/poll/

Requires a demo code.

I wrote:

Quote
"Concept, art style, and music are great. Most importantly, targeting/camera are very broken, techniques and attacks do not track enemies well enough. Noctis does not feel responsive enough, hitting enemies not satisfying as it is in the Kingdom Hearts series. The main characters' clothing is too uniform and too monochrome. Cindy's outfit is ridiculous and hurts her character. Voice acting is uneven; Prompto's voice acting is often too over the top."

Fuck, I tore up the code (spring cleaning).
You basically hit all my points as well.  I don't mind realism in a game, but it really hampered the fun of the demo when my first 5 attempts at whacking an enemy missed and I really hope they're all over fixing it.

...honestly, though I wouldn't look forward to the onslaught and namecalling of "PRUDE SJWS" if they DID cover up Cidney and even though I completely agree that she looks ridiculous.  I imagine it's how a cop feels when they pull someone over and have heard every. excuse. in. the. book. 
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on March 27, 2015, 12:42:41 AM
I actually tune someone out forever the moment they unironically use the term SJW, so it would actually be a huge timesaver for me!

That said, they can make Cindy titillating if they want, but she looks absurd as she is. It's not titillating as it is, it's just dumb. Her costume design isn't even good (then again, the all black fab team of the main cast isn't exactly that good either).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on March 27, 2015, 04:08:28 AM
I actually tune someone out forever the moment they unironically use the term SJW, so it would actually be a huge timesaver for me!

That said, they can make Cindy titillating if they want, but she looks absurd as she is. It's not titillating as it is, it's just dumb. Her costume design isn't even good (then again, the all black fab team of the main cast isn't exactly that good either).

You know, given the way that she looks, I wonder if they're foreshadowing some kind of carwash minigame that involves Cidney strolling up to the car and giving the car the Le'Blanc (but with more water and even less clothing). (http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-haw.gif)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on March 27, 2015, 09:00:58 AM
I'm going to probably do that survey later. Will probably mention the problems you mentioned with the combat (as well as how there should be more ways than luck to avoid getting knocked back down every time you try to get back up), but the other stuff doesn't really bother me. Well, maybe there is too much black.

But what I also really want to comment on is animations. Noctis looks like he's limping pretty severely every time he starts to move, and even after that his movement looks unnatural. It's almost like by trying to make movements look more realistic, they've just succeeded in making them look goofy: The uncanny valley of animations, if you will.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on March 27, 2015, 10:27:59 AM
I'm going to probably do that survey later. Will probably mention the problems you mentioned with the combat (as well as how there should be more ways than luck to avoid getting knocked back down every time you try to get back up), but the other stuff doesn't really bother me. Well, maybe there is too much black.

But what I also really want to comment on is animations. Noctis looks like he's limping pretty severely every time he starts to move, and even after that his movement looks unnatural. It's almost like by trying to make movements look more realistic, they've just succeeded in making them look goofy: The uncanny valley of animations, if you will.

THe uncanny to me is the massive iris sizes:
http://www.ff-xv.net/images/media/51b7a882_Final-Fantasy-XV-Cast.png
You can totally see it here between Stellaluna and Noctis compared to the rest of the cast.  Like holy shit they're huge.

And yeah, the movements are a bit strange, I think it's that "run to kill" animation (Noctis especially lowering his whole body looking kinda monster like).
EDIT: found a scrreeen http://abload.de/img/finalfantasyxvepisodet9sfh.jpg

But my gripe will be more with gameplay than graphical hangups where, otherwise, they're definitely top shelf.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on March 27, 2015, 06:53:14 PM
I actually tune someone out forever the moment they unironically use the term SJW, so it would actually be a huge timesaver for me!


Because you think it's a silly term or because you think the people it's describing don't actually exist?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on March 30, 2015, 12:50:29 PM
omg those demo questionnaire wallpapers are hilarious....

(http://blog.megankeane.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/embarrassed-bunny.jpg)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 30, 2015, 09:17:07 PM
Cindy's outfit is ridiculous and hurts her character.

That said, they can make Cindy titillating if they want, but she looks absurd as she is. It's not titillating as it is, it's just dumb. Her costume design isn't even good (then again, the all black fab team of the main cast isn't exactly that good either).

Making Cindy's design as is some kind of big deal is ridiculous to say the least. But then again, is not the first time I've seen people tripping over the same rock and doing the same tired claims everytime a game dares to show any kind of sex appeal. Attractiveness in general is inherently offensive after all, right? Hah.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on March 30, 2015, 09:26:50 PM
You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

The only thing I've heard people say in this thread is that Cindy's outfit is ridiculous *for the sake of* being overtly "sexy." In other words, the complaint is that the outfit is weird, not that it's sexualized.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 30, 2015, 09:35:01 PM
Speaking in general terms as always. The quotes are there to reflect part of what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on March 30, 2015, 10:42:43 PM
Making Cindy's design as is some kind of big deal is ridiculous to say the least. But then again, is not the first time I've seen people tripping over the same rock and doing the same tired claims everytime a game dares to show any kind of sex appeal. Attractiveness in general is inherently offensive after all, right? Hah.

When it happens time and time again and more disproportionately to one gender over the other, yeah, it's a little ridiculous.  Women, gaming adults/parents, or even men can find its inclusion more awkward/forced than titillating.
And there's that word again... You're confusing "attractiveness" with "sexuality".  No one is saying to make them ugly or put them in turtlenecks and sweatpants; but revealing skin (and in Cindy's case, a lot of it and complete with open-jacket "boob window" (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GQ6TcgcYpPs/mqdefault.jpg)) for the sake of pandering to a silly crowd (who either 'get off on it' or 'enjoy it' or whatever else it is), can be just as silly and childish as telling a crowd who may not like that and say they're being "ridiculous".  In other words: This goes both ways, and it's almost funny when people complain about complainers.

Speaking in general terms as always. The quotes are there to reflect part of what I'm talking about.

Not really sure what it means to speak in "general terms" when you're directly quoting.
...Honest question, and I'm not trying to be rude, but IS English your first language?  :/
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on March 30, 2015, 11:16:03 PM
Speaking in general terms as always. The quotes are there to reflect part of what I'm talking about.
Not really sure what it means to speak in "general terms" when you're directly quoting.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: MeshGearFox on March 30, 2015, 11:20:40 PM
Man I bet in the 40s Alan Turing was all like

SOMEDAY COMPUTERS WILL BE UNBELIEVABLY POWERFUL -- POWERFUL ENOUGH TO SOLVE ALL THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS.

AND WE WILL USE THIS POWER FOR RENDERING BLACKHEADS.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on March 31, 2015, 12:15:21 AM
Man I bet in the 40s Alan Turing was all like

SOMEDAY COMPUTERS WILL BE UNBELIEVABLY POWERFUL -- POWERFUL ENOUGH TO SOLVE ALL THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS.

AND WE WILL USE THIS POWER FOR RENDERING BLACKHEADS.

and freckles!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 31, 2015, 03:24:11 PM
pointflyingoverheads.jpg
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on March 31, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
pointflyingoverheads.jpg

Then explain better, I feel we covered what you stated completely.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 31, 2015, 06:21:02 PM
You call that covering when you can't get a clue with what is right in front of you? Oh, wait. I forgot. I'm "the strange one", the one that's always wrong in these parts. I should just go and forget about this entirely to save myself time.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on March 31, 2015, 06:47:04 PM
I think that Ygg would rather be beaten bloody than explain his opinion.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: MeshGearFox on March 31, 2015, 07:15:02 PM
Oh, wait. I forgot. I'm "the strange one"

Meanwhile I was considering vajazzling my Dreamcast today.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 31, 2015, 08:00:14 PM
@Mesh: Huh. Too bad Dreamcasts are not women. :p

I think that Ygg would rather be beaten bloody than explain his opinion.

I'm referencing what she said once to me (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=14694.msg355108#msg355108). I've payed no mind to her for a while now though.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on March 31, 2015, 08:08:58 PM
You call that covering when you can't get a clue with what is right in front of you? Oh, wait. I forgot. I'm "the strange one", the one that's always wrong in these parts. I should just go and forget about this entirely to save myself time.

No, it's not even that you're "the weird one", shit I think we all are.  But this post says nothing that explains anything, your last post said nothing, and the one before that was 'responded to' (apparently in a way you don't like).  I actually don't even know what to say, INDULDGE me.

Oh, wait. I forgot. I'm "the strange one"

Meanwhile I was considering vajazzling my Dreamcast today.

I had one of those "bedazzle" kits when I was young... I'm ashamed I had to look up "vajazzling", but that's awesome.  Do post if you go through vajazzling the dreamcast. xD

Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on March 31, 2015, 08:35:32 PM
http://gematsu.com/2015/03/final-fantasy-xv-might-have-female-guest-party-characters

The URL aside:

Quote
There were many requests to improve the battle system…

“The battle system from the demo is about 50 percent complete. I want to level-headedly respond to requests for improvement."

Thank god.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on March 31, 2015, 09:08:40 PM
Yeah, I was happy about that. 50% is about where it felt, so I'm glad to know there's lots more yet to do. They need to make it... well, fun.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on April 01, 2015, 03:07:57 PM
It sounds kinda trivial but that is something that game writing has completely missed in the past. A lot of people do change the way they act in certain social situations. Most videogame characters have been situationally invariant. That sounds like it could mean something profound.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 01, 2015, 07:17:05 PM
Fans barked enough and they finally got their female character for the party. Honestly, good for them. I just want to get to see more of the engine and hear more of the soundtrack.

No, it's not even that you're "the weird one", shit I think we all are.  But this post says nothing that explains anything, your last post said nothing, and the one before that was 'responded to' (apparently in a way you don't like).  I actually don't even know what to say, INDULDGE me.

You are always clueless. Stop talking to me already the same way I pay no attention to you. I say this directly to you out of pure courtesy.

If my message says nothing to you, then that's not my fault. End of this stupid story.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 01, 2015, 07:18:30 PM
Don't insult other members.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on April 01, 2015, 07:31:23 PM
Even though I almost never have any idea what he is talking about, Ygg threads are always 100 times more readable. 


(http://www.fybertech.com/4get/13871703942947.gif)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 01, 2015, 07:36:25 PM
All right folks, let's bring the discussion back to Final Fantasy XV, please :).

Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 01, 2015, 08:08:55 PM
@glassjawsh: One thing you mention there doesn't go with other IMO. Glad you are enjoying yourself either way.

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Does anybody knows if they are gonna have the JP and EN dubs in the final version, or do they still give their classic default answer of 'we are looking into it, but is not gonna happen'?
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Post by: Dice on April 01, 2015, 08:12:01 PM
Does anybody knows if they are gonna have the JP and EN dubs in the final version, or do they still give their classic default answer of 'we are looking into it, but is not gonna happen'?

FF feels like one of those series they'd leave in English for some weird ass reason.
Is Type-0 Lightning Returns the first "proper" FF title with Dual Audio????
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Post by: Rucks on April 01, 2015, 08:43:23 PM
@glassjawsh: One thing you mention there doesn't go with other IMO. Glad you are enjoying yourself either way.

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Does anybody knows if they are gonna have the JP and EN dubs in the final version, or do they still give their classic default answer of 'we are looking into it, but is not gonna happen'?

He misunderstood me! classic ygg!!

I'm convinced youre doing this on purpose, in some andy kauffman level long form troll job.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 01, 2015, 09:40:31 PM
Guess nobody knows then...

I'm convinced youre doing this on purpose, in some andy kauffman level long form troll job.

No, not really. And I'm not Hideo Kojima either if you are wondering.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 06, 2015, 11:26:27 AM
Semi-related: The FF Mobius lead character was given 'more clothes' after fan feedback...

(http://abload.de/img/mobius_final_fantasy.k1udp.png)

I personally see this as an attempt to make 'less ugly' attire --- but I'm having fun imagining if his gender was switched and what the commentary would be (and daresay, if Cindy were to get the same treatment (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5vGgSNCMAA2Xlp.jpg:large)).  Anyways, I definitely like his new outfit, it's definitely less ostentatious and the old attire was....'quite something' even by JRPG standards.

EDIT: And we don't have a topic for this game.... but holy shit them mobile graphics for FFMobius are unreal.... o_O
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Agent D. on April 06, 2015, 11:56:10 AM
Quote

He misunderstood me! classic ygg!!

I'm convinced youre doing this on purpose, in some andy kauffman level long form troll job.
This is hands down the best realization ever made on this forum. You sir are my new favorite person!

And to think I wanted to kick you in the teeth back when you and I were arguing over the eric garner and police opinion situation....

FFXV related, dunno if I said it here but I bought type 0 and actually gave my demo to a friend for free. I have not stopped kicking myself for doing so since...
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Post by: Klutz64 on April 06, 2015, 01:20:52 PM
^ That's what I liked about the FFXII demo. I was the only one in my group of friends that wanted Dragon Quest VIII, so I bought the game and then we passed around the FFXII demo disc.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 06, 2015, 01:32:10 PM
Semi-related: The FF Mobius lead character was given 'more clothes' after fan feedback...

(http://abload.de/img/mobius_final_fantasy.k1udp.png)

I personally see this as an attempt to make 'less ugly' attire --- but I'm having fun imagining if his gender was switched and what the commentary would be (and daresay, if Cindy were to get the same treatment (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5vGgSNCMAA2Xlp.jpg:large)).  Anyways, I definitely like his new outfit, it's definitely less ostentatious and the old attire was....'quite something' even by JRPG standards.

EDIT: And we don't have a topic for this game.... but holy shit them mobile graphics for FFMobius are unreal.... o_O

Yeah. He looks less dumb now. Cindy will also look less dumb when they re-design her costume. And then everyone will bitch about omg censorship. And I will not care because this is flat out a better costume.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 06, 2015, 01:55:40 PM
Semi-related: The FF Mobius lead character was given 'more clothes' after fan feedback...

(http://abload.de/img/mobius_final_fantasy.k1udp.png)

I personally see this as an attempt to make 'less ugly' attire --- but I'm having fun imagining if his gender was switched and what the commentary would be (and daresay, if Cindy were to get the same treatment (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5vGgSNCMAA2Xlp.jpg:large)).  Anyways, I definitely like his new outfit, it's definitely less ostentatious and the old attire was....'quite something' even by JRPG standards.

EDIT: And we don't have a topic for this game.... but holy shit them mobile graphics for FFMobius are unreal.... o_O

Yeah. He looks less dumb now. Cindy will also look less dumb when they re-design her costume. And then everyone will bitch about omg censorship. And I will not care because this is flat out a better costume.

Not to keep strigning this along, but here's another redesign that looks just as nice:
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/521caed354e3ea9481143b9654a2d63b/tumblr_nh10n0K4951qc06c1o1_500.jpg)


FFXV related, dunno if I said it here but I bought type 0 and actually gave my demo to a friend for free. I have not stopped kicking myself for doing so since...

Eh.  The comments are all spot on.  The combat was weak and in need of tweaking, the game looks gorgeous, but honestly, I think Xenoblade is still leading JRPG for 'exploring'.  Hopefully things change...a lot.
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Post by: Aeolus on April 06, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
^ I totally assumed we were going to get the first one of those instead of what we ended up getting.


Semi-related: The FF Mobius lead character was given 'more clothes' after fan feedback...

(http://abload.de/img/mobius_final_fantasy.k1udp.png)

I personally see this as an attempt to make 'less ugly' attire --- but I'm having fun imagining if his gender was switched and what the commentary would be (and daresay, if Cindy were to get the same treatment (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5vGgSNCMAA2Xlp.jpg:large)).  Anyways, I definitely like his new outfit, it's definitely less ostentatious and the old attire was....'quite something' even by JRPG standards.

EDIT: And we don't have a topic for this game.... but holy shit them mobile graphics for FFMobius are unreal.... o_O

Yeah. He looks less dumb now. Cindy will also look less dumb when they re-design her costume. And then everyone will bitch about omg censorship. And I will not care because this is flat out a better costume.

While the double standard is annoying, I really wish more people could grasp this since a good costume can go a long ways to stylizing a character, be they male or female.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on April 06, 2015, 02:16:33 PM
Quote

He misunderstood me! classic ygg!!

I'm convinced youre doing this on purpose, in some andy kauffman level long form troll job.
This is hands down the best realization ever made on this forum. You sir are my new favorite person!

And to think I wanted to kick you in the teeth back when you and I were arguing over the eric garner and police opinion situation....

FFXV related, dunno if I said it here but I bought type 0 and actually gave my demo to a friend for free. I have not stopped kicking myself for doing so since...

....


....



....




There are only THREE periods in an ellipsis you lower class hating of a bitch!@!!@!

In all seriousness though, I thought we bro hugged our beef away?

uhhhhhh.... and just so I don't get a brutal beating at the hands of Taelus for thread jacking or whatever,  I think the current version of "Cindy" looks awful, but that in no way will influence how much I ultimately enjoy FFXV.  Like at all.  I've just never liked all of the preposterously impractical costume designs.  Yuri/Zidane > Kuja/Luso
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 06, 2015, 02:40:27 PM
Never mind a beating, you mentioned Yuri and Zidane, you win the thread!

That said, while I think what the characters are wearing is a minor concern, it's more a case of 'what could have been' in a game with otherwise wonderful art design. My general dislike for the costuming in FFXV isn't limited to Cindy's silliness-- I think the main bro group also looks very samey. Compare all of them + Cindy to any of the casts in FFIV through... well, all the non-XV ones. A lot more color and variety! I want more of that!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Agent D. on April 06, 2015, 02:51:07 PM
Quote

He misunderstood me! classic ygg!!

I'm convinced youre doing this on purpose, in some andy kauffman level long form troll job.
This is hands down the best realization ever made on this forum. You sir are my new favorite person!

And to think I wanted to kick you in the teeth back when you and I were arguing over the eric garner and police opinion situation....

FFXV related, dunno if I said it here but I bought type 0 and actually gave my demo to a friend for free. I have not stopped kicking myself for doing so since...

....


....



....




There are only THREE periods in an ellipsis you lower class hating of a bitch!@!!@!

In all seriousness though, I thought we bro hugged our beef away?

uhhhhhh.... and just so I don't get a brutal beating at the hands of Taelus for thread jacking or whatever,  I think the current version of "Cindy" looks awful, but that in no way will influence how much I ultimately enjoy FFXV.  Like at all.  I've just never liked all of the preposterously impractical costume designs.  Yuri/Zidane > Kuja/Luso
Hence why you are my new favorite person. Also, I usually get 3 periods fot ellipses, but sometime my phone dislikes me and/or my eyes dislike my phone and I miss one or add one. Sucks to be blindish.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on April 07, 2015, 03:26:12 AM
anyone else annoyed by the cover story saying they pulled in the third birthday and type 0 teams to fix this game? we could be getting other good games from those teams but they had to be pulled in to fix this mess? what was the last FF that wasnt a development trainwreck? FFX? FFXI?i wonder if they would ever pull yoshie P off FF14 to fix a game. and the rage it would cause. FF14 expansion was supposed to come out in may but they said something happend and it got delayed till late june. ths company used to have several great teams. what do they have now?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on April 07, 2015, 07:42:52 AM
That said, while I think what the characters are wearing is a minor concern, it's more a case of 'what could have been' in a game with otherwise wonderful art design. My general dislike for the costuming in FFXV isn't limited to Cindy's silliness-- I think the main bro group also looks very samey. Compare all of them + Cindy to any of the casts in FFIV through... well, all the non-XV ones. A lot more color and variety! I want more of that!

Personally, I'd rather they go with a more boring wardrobe for the main cast. Thinking back to FFX, where it seemed like the aim of the main characters was to fully represent the entire diversity of stupid clothing existing in Spira, I'll happily take something more realistic.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on April 07, 2015, 08:44:41 AM
That said, while I think what the characters are wearing is a minor concern, it's more a case of 'what could have been' in a game with otherwise wonderful art design. My general dislike for the costuming in FFXV isn't limited to Cindy's silliness-- I think the main bro group also looks very samey. Compare all of them + Cindy to any of the casts in FFIV through... well, all the non-XV ones. A lot more color and variety! I want more of that!

Personally, I'd rather they go with a more boring wardrobe for the main cast. Thinking back to FFX, where it seemed like the aim of the main characters was to fully represent the entire diversity of stupid clothing existing in Spira, I'll happily take something more realistic.

^this

I could take a hit on "color and variety" as long as they don't dress my world saving protagonist like a complete asshole.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on April 07, 2015, 10:08:52 AM
anyone else annoyed by the cover story saying they pulled in the third birthday and type 0 teams to fix this game? we could be getting other good games from those teams but they had to be pulled in to fix this mess? what was the last FF that wasnt a development trainwreck? FFX? FFXI?i wonder if they would ever pull yoshie P off FF14 to fix a game. and the rage it would cause. FF14 expansion was supposed to come out in may but they said something happend and it got delayed till late june. ths company used to have several great teams. what do they have now?

Parasite Eve has always been more of a dev testing ground for other games, and Type-0 is getting a sequel (who's name escapes me at the moment), and frankly we're long overdue for a mainline FF game that doesn't suck (and isn't an MMO).

Besides, of course they're going to prioritize their mainline over the spin-offs and side-projects since that's the thing with the most market appeal and the thing that'll sell the most. If you gave the general consumer the choice between a mainline FF game and something like a SaGa or a Mana game, 9 times out of 10, they're going to take the FF game since that's the known quantity to them ("I mean what the fuck is this SaGa/Mana crap!? I've never heard of it! And yet they claim that they're part of some long running series? Do they even have Chocobos or Summons!?!").
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on April 07, 2015, 12:43:42 PM
I'd be happy if they just made the main characters not look like a j-pop boys band.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: bigdeath on April 07, 2015, 02:29:23 PM
I'd be happy if they just made the main characters not look like a j-pop boys band.

I thought this WAS about the adventures of a j-pop boys band.

I'm just hoping they add in more depth to the combat. I'm also wondering how summons will be balanced or perhaps Runmah was purposefully made OP for the DEMO.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: CoreSignal on April 07, 2015, 05:11:40 PM
That said, while I think what the characters are wearing is a minor concern, it's more a case of 'what could have been' in a game with otherwise wonderful art design. My general dislike for the costuming in FFXV isn't limited to Cindy's silliness-- I think the main bro group also looks very samey. Compare all of them + Cindy to any of the casts in FFIV through... well, all the non-XV ones. A lot more color and variety! I want more of that!

Personally, I'd rather they go with a more boring wardrobe for the main cast. Thinking back to FFX, where it seemed like the aim of the main characters was to fully represent the entire diversity of stupid clothing existing in Spira, I'll happily take something more realistic.

I'm not the biggest fan of FF VIII, but I think that game is a good example of a FF game with "realistic"/modern-day character designs. I feel VIII's character and clothing designs aren't as samey looking as FF XV, but also not as tacky as FF X's.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 07, 2015, 06:52:02 PM
That said, while I think what the characters are wearing is a minor concern, it's more a case of 'what could have been' in a game with otherwise wonderful art design. My general dislike for the costuming in FFXV isn't limited to Cindy's silliness-- I think the main bro group also looks very samey. Compare all of them + Cindy to any of the casts in FFIV through... well, all the non-XV ones. A lot more color and variety! I want more of that!

Personally, I'd rather they go with a more boring wardrobe for the main cast. Thinking back to FFX, where it seemed like the aim of the main characters was to fully represent the entire diversity of stupid clothing existing in Spira, I'll happily take something more realistic.

I'm not the biggest fan of FF VIII, but I think that game is a good example of a FF game with "realistic"/modern-day character designs. I feel VIII's character and clothing designs aren't as samey looking as FF XV, but also not as tacky as FF X's.

^
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: bigdeath on April 09, 2015, 12:34:52 AM
That said, while I think what the characters are wearing is a minor concern, it's more a case of 'what could have been' in a game with otherwise wonderful art design. My general dislike for the costuming in FFXV isn't limited to Cindy's silliness-- I think the main bro group also looks very samey. Compare all of them + Cindy to any of the casts in FFIV through... well, all the non-XV ones. A lot more color and variety! I want more of that!

Personally, I'd rather they go with a more boring wardrobe for the main cast. Thinking back to FFX, where it seemed like the aim of the main characters was to fully represent the entire diversity of stupid clothing existing in Spira, I'll happily take something more realistic.

I'm not the biggest fan of FF VIII, but I think that game is a good example of a FF game with "realistic"/modern-day character designs. I feel VIII's character and clothing designs aren't as samey looking as FF XV, but also not as tacky as FF X's.

The Seeds uniform was sweet and practical looking. And the characters civilans clothes looked the most normal out of all the FF games.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: CoreSignal on April 09, 2015, 02:10:52 AM
The Seeds uniform was sweet and practical looking. And the characters civilans clothes looked the most normal out of all the FF games.

FF VIII did the whole realistic-fantasy setting thing really well. Agree, stuff like the Seeds uniforms and the everyday wear for the characters looked like actual clothing people would wear. FFVIII might've been last game Nomura did before he went off the rails with the zippers and belts, lol.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dincrest on April 09, 2015, 10:32:27 AM
Although Nomura's character designs for The World Ends With You were well done.  I think those were some of his best work- it was exaggeratedly creative without going completely cuckoo.  Although if Nomura went off the deep end on that game, it still would have worked. 
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: insertnamehere on April 09, 2015, 09:26:06 PM
What if the summoning was made so it consumes a certain % of HP that can be reduced with skills in a skill tree?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on April 10, 2015, 01:21:24 PM
wasnt sure where to be put this so i'll put it here for now. kinda surprised there isnt a topic for this yet.

ramza confirmed for dissidia arcade
http://gematsu.com/2015/04/dissidia-final-fantasy-arcade-developed-team-ninja-uses-ps4-core-system

(http://i.imgur.com/QK3hGeR.jpg)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on April 10, 2015, 02:10:17 PM
wasnt sure where to be put this so i'll put it here for now. kinda surprised there isnt a topic for this yet.

ramza confirmed for dissidia arcade
http://gematsu.com/2015/04/dissidia-final-fantasy-arcade-developed-team-ninja-uses-ps4-core-system

(http://i.imgur.com/QK3hGeR.jpg)

I kinda posted it in the Misc. Game News Topic in General Discussion.


Hopefully they don't fuck with his characterization too much (compared to Terra who got brutalized into a woobly waif).
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Post by: Taelus on April 10, 2015, 03:05:39 PM
I was SO excited for new Dissidia right until I heard Team Ninja was making it.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on April 10, 2015, 03:43:38 PM
I was SO excited for new Dissidia right until I heard Team Ninja was making it.

How could it be any worse/overly convoluted than the two PSP ones are?

Though admittedly, I'm not exactly looking forward to watching them put out like five different ports of the game with the first version being a glorified Beta, the next two being downported/graded to the XBox 360 and PS3, and the PS4 and XBone ones purposefully skipping out on some of the more classic modes just for the hell of it while taking half of the remaining content and piece-mealing it back to you as ridiculously overpriced DLC.

(Motherfucking DoA5....)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 10, 2015, 03:57:52 PM
Actually I thought the first two were awesome haha. Especially in multiplayer.

I haven't liked a Team Ninja game since the original Ninja Gaiden and I guess DoA2 but even then they are not a studio I especially trust.

thinks of metroid. am cry
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on April 10, 2015, 06:32:43 PM
Actually I thought the first two were awesome haha. Especially in multiplayer.

I haven't liked a Team Ninja game since the original Ninja Gaiden and I guess DoA2 but even then they are not a studio I especially trust.

thinks of metroid. am cry

Other M was largely Sakamoto's (or however its spelled, its been a few years) fault. Granted TN could've done a better job of working around what-his-face, but he was the guy calling the shots on that one. I mean, do you honestly think that anybody on Tits Ninja went and said "We like the Varia Suit's look and color scheme so much that instead of making the Gravity Suit a proper upgrade, we're just going to regulate it to a pink-ish glow that'll only flip on in the areas where the game hid something."?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Mickeymac92 on April 10, 2015, 07:28:30 PM
I'd be happy if they just made the main characters not look like a j-pop boys band.

I thought this WAS about the adventures of a j-pop boys band.

I'm not gonna lie, I would actually love a boy band RPG. Maybe have it something like Macross 7 or AKB0048, or evolve the song magic system from Ar Tonelico/Ar NoSurge, where music helps you save the world. Or maybe have some big music competition in a semi-fantasy world, where you and your bandmates go on a grand world tour/road trip to prove your band is the best. Maybe you'll go around, meet people, gain fans, maybe even customize your equipment and what music you play, and at times make pivotal choices about the band. Perhaps they could even get actual Japanese musicians to guest star. I would kill to have GACKT or T.M. Revolution, or similar acts in a video game. Especially with their costume designs at points...

...I am getting way too into this. -_-; I do, however, want instrument themed weapons and a rhythm minigame at some point (Even if it was DLC).
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Post by: Dincrest on April 10, 2015, 07:48:17 PM
If you had artists like Eir Aoi, Blood Stain Child or some of the visual kei bands like Exist Trace, I would totally play a touring band RPG. 

I'd get to vicariously re-live the touring band life I left behind without any of the headaches. 
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Post by: Alisha on April 10, 2015, 09:45:57 PM
i've heard that the reason for samus' characterization in other M was that it was based on a metroid manga where she acts the same way with reguard to ridley.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Mickeymac92 on April 10, 2015, 10:47:12 PM
i've heard that the reason for samus' characterization in other M was that it was based on a metroid manga where she acts the same way with reguard to ridley.

Pretty certain it's actually what Yoshio Sakamoto (the series' co-creator and writer of Super Metroid, Fusion, and Zero Mission, as well as director and writer of Other M) fully intended...at least according to the interiews I'm still lucid enough to remember...crap, I need sleep...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 10, 2015, 11:09:00 PM
The point is: It was terrible.  They took an iconic character and made her the equivalent of ramblings in a teenagers diary.

Cool for Ramza, hell get a bunch of them in there, Theatrhythm it (god I gotta type that word so slowly), bring in SaGa and Mystic Quest.

Also, hopefully with Nomura taking a step back on projects he can practice art again and get good again.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: CoreSignal on April 11, 2015, 12:57:32 AM
Although Nomura's character designs for The World Ends With You were well done.  I think those were some of his best work- it was exaggeratedly creative without going completely cuckoo.  Although if Nomura went off the deep end on that game, it still would have worked. 

Good point, TWEWY had some great designs. It also helps that Nomura's style is well suited for contemporary/modern-day settings. Man, I wish we'd get a sequel to World Ends With You.

Other M was largely Sakamoto's (or however its spelled, its been a few years) fault

Hopefully I won't get too much hate for this, but I didn't think Other M was that bad, as a game at least. It's not really a good Metroid game, and the story and writing are definitely not good, but it's a pretty fun action game, sorta like Ninja Gaiden Lite: Metroid edition. I guess it depends on whether you can look past the story or not. Of course, it's understandable if you can't.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on April 11, 2015, 01:46:03 AM
The point is: It was terrible.  They took an iconic character and made her the equivalent of ramblings in a teenagers diary.

Cool for Ramza, hell get a bunch of them in there, Theatrhythm it (god I gotta type that word so slowly), bring in SaGa and Mystic Quest.

Also, hopefully with Nomura taking a step back on projects he can practice art again and get good again.

Its much worse then that. It took an iconic character, cast everything that she had done in the main games up until that point in a totally different light, and the new perspective was not for the better (on top of the whole, making Samus so fucking useless that her most significant accomplishment of Other M was turning on the goddamn lights).

As for the gameplay, Where's Waldo style Final Boss Fight aside, there were just too many little problems that added up to the collective whole of the game being mediocre (like the unsatisfying power ups, the worthless Missiles, the semi-worthless Energy Tanks, the might as well have been worthless Charge Boosters, the rigid linearity that prevented exploration until the freaking post game, which was handled so badly, that you might as well have been running through a Sonic course given that the game world was structured as a big donut with one side blocked off by a one-way exit with the power-up needed to reach 100% completion in a blink and you missed it scenario involving said one-way exit, on top of Charge Canceling making everything too easy). The saddest part about the gameplay is that a number of issues (involving the Missiles and the other FPS bits at least) could've been avoided on the Wii U thanks to the Gamepad (not that Sakamoto wouldn't have demanded that the game be playable with a goddamn NES controller).


As for the Dissidia thing, here's hoping we can see some other new characters make it in like Celes, Agiras, Beatrix, Phoebe and T.G. Cid.
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Post by: Alisha on April 11, 2015, 04:04:09 AM
i've heard that the reason for samus' characterization in other M was that it was based on a metroid manga where she acts the same way with reguard to ridley.

Pretty certain it's actually what Yoshio Sakamoto (the series' co-creator and writer of Super Metroid, Fusion, and Zero Mission, as well as director and writer of Other M) fully intended...at least according to the interiews I'm still lucid enough to remember...crap, I need sleep...

https://youtu.be/fA7PHtpzSFQ?t=1m21s
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: CoreSignal on April 13, 2015, 05:12:35 PM
As for the gameplay, Where's Waldo style Final Boss Fight aside, there were just too many little problems that added up to the collective whole of the game being mediocre (like the unsatisfying power ups, the worthless Missiles, the semi-worthless Energy Tanks, the might as well have been worthless Charge Boosters, the rigid linearity that prevented exploration until the freaking post game, which was handled so badly, that you might as well have been running through a Sonic course given that the game world was structured as a big donut with one side blocked off by a one-way exit with the power-up needed to reach 100% completion in a blink and you missed it scenario involving said one-way exit, on top of Charge Canceling making everything too easy).

Fair enough. Again, not really a good Metroid game, but I did manage to have some fun with it. As for Samus' characterization, I don't even know where to start, lol.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on April 16, 2015, 05:12:27 PM
ff9 homage?
(http://i.imgur.com/LquWa1r.jpg)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 16, 2015, 09:39:31 PM
@Alisha: I noticed that the first time I saw the opening. Dunno why this is mentioned on a XV thread though. In any case, it was a nice touch.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 16, 2015, 11:31:53 PM
Wrong topic or not, good eye in finding that!!! Definitely a homage.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 16, 2015, 11:33:02 PM
Wrong topic or not, good eye in finding that, definitely a homage.


WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 16, 2015, 11:46:16 PM
Wrong topic or not, good eye in finding that, definitely a homage.


WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

???  I did type it on my cell.. :(
I'm sorry I shoulda put more exclamations or the like...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 17, 2015, 02:52:11 AM
–EPISODE DUSCAE– Highlights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7r2P4Is1No) -- Square Enix NA

I'm convinced youre doing this on purpose, in some andy kauffman level long form troll job.

This is hands down the best realization ever made on this forum. You sir are my new favorite person!

Pff~
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 17, 2015, 03:16:11 AM
Probably one of my favourite things that came from the demo because it works for a biliion situations
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_hYCKOUIAEBcd2.jpg)

Good thing that highlights reels doesn't show the awkward targetting, but by god did hearing that battle theme make the music-zone in MAH MIND tingle all over again.  Mm!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on April 17, 2015, 05:46:18 AM
i didnt want to make a new topic for it and i kinda think we should have a general FF topic like the tales one.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on April 21, 2015, 11:25:14 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/LquWa1r.jpg)

Ha, the FF9 one looks better.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this was just a coincidence. Games do really similar visual things all the time without realising it:

(http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/centeredsquare1.jpg)

I'm guessing this is probably based on focus groups though.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on April 21, 2015, 11:45:17 AM
Not so much focus groups as much as simple marketing tactics.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on April 21, 2015, 01:55:39 PM
You sure? I remember seeing an interview with Ken Levine where he said game covers were always decided by just sticking a selection in front of a group of people.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 21, 2015, 02:28:16 PM
Not so much focus groups as much as simple marketing tactics.

Wait. Is there any real difference between focus groups and marketing tactics anyway? Legit question.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on April 21, 2015, 02:41:17 PM
Not so much focus groups as much as simple marketing tactics.

Wait. Is there any real difference between focus groups and marketing tactics anyway? Legit question.

Well I'm guessing tactics could be based on theory rather than evidence.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on April 21, 2015, 03:39:24 PM
I mean, not really. Marketing tactics are developed by studying trends that appear in multiple focus groups. Still, game companies aren't going to waste money doing a separate focus group for every game they make.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on April 22, 2015, 10:36:25 AM
I mean, not really. Marketing tactics are developed by studying trends that appear in multiple focus groups. Still, game companies aren't going to waste money doing a separate focus group for every game they make.

Oh yeah, I'm sure in practice that's true. They're too smart to randomly waste their money. I just mean in principle, you could formulate something and call them "tactics" that are based entirely on theory with very little evidence. It'd just end up failing miserably! Haha like sociology.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 28, 2015, 01:42:51 AM
So apparently there's an Episode Da (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDpxmP0WEAA-Btg.jpg:large)scae conference and apparently a 2.0 version??  Either way, they addressed the commentary from the surveys:

(sorry to source Gaf (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=161876158&postcount=95), but...)
Quote
15 main issues with the demo according to users(Tabata feedback included):
1. Lock-on
2. Camera too close.(planning to pull it back when in combat and possibly add camera controls for players)
3. Camera felt sluggish and heavy
4. A.I. is dumb. Allies get in the way of moving.
5. Jaggies, the drop in framerate.(anti-aliasing will be in the full game; will prioritize framerate over resolution although still aiming for full HD)
6. Motion and movement is slow, specifically battle movements(Speed from previous trailers like the E3 behemoth fight was reduced due to Noctis being near unstoppable and eliminating the need for a party)
7. Mini-map?(They will add one)
8. Want for a dodge action that doesn't rely on MP(the warp dodge was a leveled up version of the dodge roll, that doesn't need MP, which will also be in the main game)
9. Having to hide behind rocks to recover MP, Everything relies on MP(probably won't lose the focus on MP)
10. Battles are too difficult( Japan found battles difficult, NA found them easy; possibility of adding a difficulty option)
11. Game is too monotonous; repetitive battles, bad controls(looking to add button remapping for players)
12. The stamina for sprinting is annoying(looking to make certain foods may improve dashing distance and speed in the full game)
13. Warping as a regular means of travel( was implementable in February but caused many bugs so was cut; unlikely to be in the full game)
14. Cancel attacks by evading(even Tabata wanted this when playing; already implemented in the full game although you can't cancel out of every attack)
15. Bugs everywhere (lol they realized people could get to Titan)

Regional complaints
NA: Noctis voice is strange, sounds like Batman( couldn't get re-recording in the demo; are working to make him feel younger)
Europe: Cindy is too sexy(not meant to be erotic; aren't looking to change her character too much)
Meanwhile Japan didn't like the crew, didn't get what to do, and found it too difficult (http://i.4cdn.org/v/1430195997757.jpg).



That said this is amazing that they'd be so forward about the issues and concerns about the demo and willingness, to some extent, hit the drawing board again and spruce things up.  The survey also revealed results that a lot of people will/would buy this game regardless (and I am too ---- knowing and provided they tackle that Top 15 List in some form/fashion even if not all of it).

...Also, is there gonna be overworld music?  Xenosaga Ep I is still the coldest and quietest gaming experience ever.  The battle theme was awesome, but it's like all you had to listen to....  Same with the 15 battle theme; it's glorious...but that's it.

EDIT: Video is up (https://youtu.be/bqPFqMOqJDc)!!  It's....very long.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on April 28, 2015, 02:51:05 AM
Meanwhile Japan didn't like the crew, didn't get what to do, and found it too difficult (http://i.4cdn.org/v/1430195997757.jpg).

At least nobody in Japan felt that the region was too large.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on April 28, 2015, 09:16:22 AM
"We can't figure out quick travel." - Square Enix, 2015

>_>
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 28, 2015, 12:19:00 PM
I'm glad they're paying attention to the monotony and the pace of combat. The game just takes too long to do anything as is. I'm hopeful.

Oddly, even though I'm not necessary sold conceptually, I really appreciate that they are sticking by their guns when it comes to bro-adtrip. Part of XII and XIII's problem was a lack of focus and changing vision. It's great to incorporate feedback to improve your gameplay, but without a strong vision on the whole behind the game, it's bound to be a mishmash.

Also I love how they're like 'HUH? REALLY? CIDNEY IS SEXY? WE HAD NO IDEA!' I too shovel the occasional mound of bullshit.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on April 28, 2015, 06:50:40 PM

Regional complaints
Meanwhile Japan didn't like the crew, didn't get what to do, and found it too difficult (http://i.4cdn.org/v/1430195997757.jpg).


That's a really interesting graph. I didn't read the various reports. Did they say what the sample sizes were for each group?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 28, 2015, 11:28:20 PM
Also I love how they're like 'HUH? REALLY? CIDNEY IS SEXY? WE HAD NO IDEA!' I too shovel the occasional mound of bullshit.

One thing I hate is how game designers REALLY underestimate the power of a sexy look or stare, or the simplicity of a wink, or a bump or a nudge, or a smile, or a gesture, or a reaction... But instead it's usually tits/ass shots, a "boob window", an off-centered camera to look at these features instead.  There's being sexy then just going for over-sexualized, which is often what happens instead.

And yeah, I remember sighing when I had to get to the other side of the map for a mission.... Like Klutz said, Quick Travel really shouldn't be such a novel idea.


Regional complaints
Meanwhile Japan didn't like the crew, didn't get what to do, and found it too difficult (http://i.4cdn.org/v/1430195997757.jpg).


That's a really interesting graph. I didn't read the various reports. Did they say what the sample sizes were for each group?

Hmm optimistically you could go by Type-0 HD sales, and assume everyone who bought Type-0 played the demo and answered the survey, but I doubt that's the case.

Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 28, 2015, 11:48:33 PM
But you can't take the survey without the code from Type-0?

EDIT

nevermind, I get it.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 29, 2015, 12:19:41 AM
As I read Tabata's comments, I am a little worried about his 'we're going to let players know R3 locks on!'

That isn't remotely the problem anyone had. I hope he meant 'that is among the thigns we are going to do to make our camera system not a train wreck'
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 29, 2015, 03:03:08 AM
"We can't figure out quick travel." - Square Enix, 2015

>_>

<_>

Square Enix be like:
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/ce2df86f726a67012e49bf97993fcc94/tumblr_mlga3a4dz51r8dxfio1_400.gif)
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I think that's Gackt btw, but I'm sorry I had a few drinks and it made me laugh
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: FallenGrace on April 29, 2015, 05:16:51 AM
Very little of his responses raised my confidence truth be told.

My biggest issue is actually the character designs, especially Cidny (must be because i'm european XD) The lack of realism there is just ridiculous. She's a mechanic dressed as a hooker and Tabata didn't even understand the issue *sigh*
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on April 29, 2015, 09:41:45 PM

One thing I hate is how game designers REALLY underestimate the power of a sexy look or stare, or the simplicity of a wink, or a bump or a nudge, or a smile, or a gesture, or a reaction...


Ahhh but then the sexiness can't be captured in screenshots. How are they gonna appeal to the magazine reading pervs?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 29, 2015, 09:50:23 PM

One thing I hate is how game designers REALLY underestimate the power of a sexy look or stare, or the simplicity of a wink, or a bump or a nudge, or a smile, or a gesture, or a reaction...


Ahhh but then the sexiness can't be captured in screenshots. How are they gonna appeal to the magazine reading pervs?

I was on Gamefaqs (I know, shame on me) reading thoughts...  I'm desensitized and fluent in all reasons, excuses and how the "feminazi's" are the ignorant/immature ones who can't handle that sweet Cindy booty
pacino-shes-got-a-great-ass.jpg
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 29, 2015, 10:10:04 PM
Oh yeah, hearing about oversensitive feminazis taking all the fun out is currently on my top list of 'favorite people missing the point entirely.' GameFAQs will never let you down, there.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Hathen on April 30, 2015, 04:15:52 AM
While I do see why people might want a more realistic costume for Cid, I don't think this is simply a case of a bunch of cynical men thinking sex sells and going with that as the only idea behind what they're doing (Obviously that's part of it but that applies to just about all of the characters anyway). If I was going to point to any Japanese game for that I'd instead point to things like NIS games or Neptunia.

I get the impression they were trying to go for a stereotypical Southern kind of look with her (which also comes across in her background and the way she speaks etc). Her clothing looks almost identical to what Daisy Duke wore most of the time. This is the same game that's making all their male characters look like j-pop stars and 10/10 fashion models with designer clothes on so it's at least artistically consistent, I think. Japanese games have always gone for very "iconic" looks, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on April 30, 2015, 09:30:31 AM
While I do see why people might want a more realistic costume for Cid, I don't think this is simply a case of a bunch of cynical men thinking sex sells and going with that as the only idea behind what they're doing (Obviously that's part of it but that applies to just about all of the characters anyway). If I was going to point to any Japanese game for that I'd instead point to things like NIS games or Neptunia.

There's a gif online somewhere of the press conference or whatever where Square Enix discussed this stuff. The gif shows two of the creators there discussing Cindy, saying:

"A lot of people in Europe believe Cindy is too sexy"
"Yet a lot of people also want a playable female character"
"I think that's a little contradictory, don't you?"

If that's not a disgusting amount of cynicism in regards to the purpose of female characters, I don't know what is. On the other hand, games like the Neptunia series or Senran Kagura may be totally about "sex sells," but there's nothing cynical about them. They know what they're doing and who they're catering to, and they're proud of it--which can be gleamed from their overtness. Square Enix, however, refuses to acknowledge the nature of Cindy's design and instead plays oblivious. That is truly cynical.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Hathen on April 30, 2015, 10:16:16 AM
And like any gif from the internet you should probably take it with a grain of salt because it's taken slightly out of context, it was actual befuddlement. Watch the video Dice posted (It starts around 1:02:05).

Quote
Tabata: Do these two requests go together? "Put Cidney in the party, but she's too sexy"
Ofuji: No, I don't think so.
Tabata: I don't understand.
Ofuji: I think these are separate points. A lot of the feedback from Europe says Cidney is too sexy. But they do want a female character in the party. It does feel a bit contradictory.

Note that both these guys are trying to keep the conversation light hearted at this point and after it, they're laughing and trying to have a good time. You can accuse them of being insensitive if you want but that's not really the impression I was getting. They go on to explain (and even show they do understand the issue):

Quote
Tabata: Cidney wasn't meant to be an erotic character. She's a very energetic and outgoing character and pairing those traits with her character design, we don't think it'd be a problem if she appeared on your screen while your parents were in the room.
Ofuji: I think the problem is the amount of skin she's showing despite the fact she's a mechanic.
Tabata: Ahh, I understand. However she was meant as an energetic and outgoing character, so I don't think we want to change the concept. Maybe we can change the way she's presented so that her sexuality isn't brought to the forefront, because that's not who her character is supposed to be. Maybe as long as we maintain within these limits...?
Ofuji: What do you think, Nakkaki?
Tabata: Nakkaki, who's working on Cidney, is here right now. Should we ask him?
(inaudible)
Ofuji: Well we did introduce her as a character including everyone's input.
(inaudible)
Tabata: Mr. Nakkaki said, as I explained just now, that her character was not meant to be erotic. She's not supposed to be erotic, but the male members of the team did their best to create her. Perhaps as a result, too much of our heart and soul went into the character?
Ofuji: Oh, us men...

So basically:
-They understand the complaint is probably that her clothing isn't "realistic"
-They think her design matches her outgoing and energetic personality
-They freely admit that their design team is male but they didn't design her character with eroticism in mind

If you want to say they're full of shit you can do that and I won't stop you because I don't totally believe what they're saying either (because Cidney looking attractive is the same reason Noctis and co. look like 10/10 movie stars ranging from sexy slim bishounen to perfectly chiseled manly men), but at the same time when they claim the concept of her design was about her looking outgoing rather than overt sexual teasing, I'm willing to buy that at least partially. This board of all places should know what an actual sex appeal character from Japan looks like, I'm pretty sure a couple of you play Eastern games almost exclusively.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on April 30, 2015, 10:29:36 AM
I realized the quotes were probably out of context. But they're still a bit full of BS. I mean, maybe it's a translation thing, but I don't see anything in Cindy's outfit that says "Outgoing." Actually, I fail to see how "outgoing" can translate to wardrobe at all.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 30, 2015, 10:34:34 AM
While I suppose I could see outgoing in the warm, bright colors, I also agree that they're a bit full of it. No one who looked at Cindy "didn't realize" exactly what they were doing. Chalking it up to "we're all men" is also pretty weak. The mere fact of their dude-ness makes them incapable of not naturally swerving towards "EVERYONE'S A LAPDANCE!!" territory when making things?

And the equivalency between the bro-party and Cindy doesn't quite work for me. The bros look ridiculous in a different way, in that 'unbelievably perfect and perfectly-dressed' type of style. They're a bit monotone, but they also wouldn't look inappropriate in a city or as rich, royal people. Cindy doesn't really look appropriate for a mechanic.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Hathen on April 30, 2015, 10:58:34 AM
Actually, I fail to see how "outgoing" can translate to wardrobe at all.

That's a pretty hard question to answer because culture is going to play a big aspect in this. Just to name one weird example, if a character drinks orange juice in a Japanese work, it's some kind of joke about childishness because Orange Juice is a children's drink, or a single gigantic bang in someone's hair in anime meant something or other (forgot what exactly). Some more universal ones would be things like wearing sunglasses or all black because you're too kool 4 skool, sleeves extending past the hands would imply naivete, etc.

First thing that comes to my mind for outgoing? Wear less clothes because it's hot as hell outside I don't want to be sweating like a pig into a long sleeved shirt while I'm hiking. I guess other things could be like convenient storage space (a small backpack or something), probably tanned skin too. I'm betting that baseball cap was also from that concept. It doesn't make sense when you think about it for a second as far as her profession is concerned, but if you were going to make an "iconic character" you'd probably use design aspects like that.

Remember this is the same franchise that originated with characters (and kept doing it for the majority of the installments) wearing no shirt or armor in battle because that looks more monk-y or covering their faces in combat against monsters even though it'd serve no purpose because that's just how ninjas roll.

While I suppose I could see outgoing in the warm, bright colors, I also agree that they're a bit full of it. No one who looked at Cindy "didn't realize" exactly what they were doing. Chalking it up to "we're all men" is also pretty weak. The mere fact of their dude-ness makes them incapable of not naturally swerving towards "EVERYONE'S A LAPDANCE!!" territory when making things?

And the equivalency between the bro-party and Cindy doesn't quite work for me. The bros look ridiculous in a different way, in that 'unbelievably perfect and perfectly-dressed' type of style. They're a bit monotone, but they also wouldn't look inappropriate in a city or as rich, royal people. Cindy doesn't really look appropriate for a mechanic.

If someone has the problem that they all have stupid costumes then I think I get that (but of course the dev team only got asked about Cindey so the majority of people who posed the question probably weren't actually thinking that)

A really important question I think worth considering is, do you think they did this purely as a marketing strategy, or do you think they designed the character this way because that's what they wanted to do? Because if it's the former it has far less artistic value and should be changed because its not like they cared about it to begin with. If with the latter its, "we made a character we think looks great and was based off a concept, sorry if you think its sexist" it might be trickier to change it, because it means the character's wardrobe was meant to inform us of the character. I mean, personally I actually liked the jumpsuit a lot, but at the same time I can see why they would want to keep it the way it is if it actually is the latter (also I'd venture a guess that they've already made  a bunch of cutscenes involving her and they don't want to spend truckloads of money changing it).

And to me, there's a certain equivalency in the bro party because every character in the party has been designed to appeal to different tastes in women (or gay men). Noctis and Prompto fill the bishounen quota for more Eastern tastes, and Gladiolus and Cor fill more Western tastes, and you have Ignis who's probably going for that whole "I'm totally a nerd except not really" look. I'm pretty sure I've seen Dice make a few cyber-bedroom eyes at Cor before actually =P (might be remembering the wrong character though)
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Post by: Annubis on April 30, 2015, 12:30:52 PM
While I suppose I could see outgoing in the warm, bright colors, I also agree that they're a bit full of it. No one who looked at Cindy "didn't realize" exactly what they were doing. Chalking it up to "we're all men" is also pretty weak. The mere fact of their dude-ness makes them incapable of not naturally swerving towards "EVERYONE'S A LAPDANCE!!" territory when making things?

We accidentally sexualized the whole thing.
Our bad.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 30, 2015, 02:30:29 PM
I'm pretty sure I've seen Dice make a few cyber-bedroom eyes at Cor before actually =P (might be remembering the wrong character though)

Except, y'know, none of the guys are nearly as sexed up as Cindy managed to be with a few minutes of screen time... plus I'm not crazy I think he's appealing but he's not making me sploosh (http://i.imgur.com/qsqnoIu.jpg) and I doubt the same fuss would be raised if they gave Cor an extra shirt or made him go topless.

I do think it's infuriating that MANY game cutscenes do go out of their way to show women's body parts in a way they wouldn't do mens.  Also the amount of backlash people are facing for saying she's too sexy is clear of another problem I think.

I can accept an obviously sexually-charged outfit (women dress sexy; though I doubt THAT sexy for mechanical work), but then it's compounded with the all-male party making cheap jokes/passes, the matching and visible bra-bikini and thong, then the camera angles focusing on 'the goods', then the innuendos in her dialogue, and she's bent over both times you go talk to her... she's basically a parody, a giant 'conscious decision' to make her like a Halloween costume...

And it's a bit disappointing, for the most part the series has been pretty good about keeping this stuff tame or being less obvious about it (well except for Ashe's skin-tight, hot pink, "I'm in hiding" skirt).  But then they introduce the first, technically, female Cid and made her ridiculous.  I think it's just as bad that the video revealed it was apparently all men working on her putting 'all their love and effort' (ew?) into making her.  

What WOULD be amusing is to see someone hack the demo to switch out the models for Noctis (or whoever else) with Cidney. :P

I'd love it if she was toned down (though I doubt they will); hell just about any fanart reworking her design has been much more respectful; and designers often forget sexiness doesn't have to come from exclusively flashy clothes.  At least it'd be nice if they made the cameraman less perverted when "filming her".
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on April 30, 2015, 02:44:40 PM

I do think it's infuriating that MANY game cutscenes do go out of their way to show women's body parts in a way they wouldn't do mens.


But that's mostly just down to it being a largely male dominated industry, at least in AAA console gaming anyway. As opposed to a deliberate double standard. That doesn't strike me as inherently unfair. It's just the natural outcome of a free market. If for whatever reason the demographic changed to being 50:50 or maybe female dominated, in a free market where creators are just following their creative instincts, that trend would surely follow suit.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 30, 2015, 02:50:24 PM

I do think it's infuriating that MANY game cutscenes do go out of their way to show women's body parts in a way they wouldn't do mens.


But that's mostly just down to it being a largely male dominated industry, at least in AAA console gaming anyway. As opposed to a deliberate double standard. That doesn't strike me as inherently unfair. It's just the natural outcome of a free market. If you go to a female-dominated industry like romantic novels, you tend to find the same thing in reverse. And yes, I have read a lot of those. Against my will.

I don't think a comparison to a novel (that is often descriptive by necessity) is a fair to an already visual medium like video games (we can see Cindy is boomin', no need to have the camera swing around her five times). Plus romantic novels are similarly meant to focus visual/sexual cues to, likely, describe attraction both physical and otherwise.  Cidney's scenes are not romantic or in a romantic gaming context.

Plus, it's a pretty unfair cycle to say "we make games for men, so sexual imagery is okay", it's pretty alienating to the, surprisingly large, female FF fanbase and really females would be a good target to hit and expand their demographic.  If a game is more welcoming to both sexes I think it's a win-win for all.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on April 30, 2015, 03:06:07 PM
I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure that the market itself has been shown to no longer be overwhelmingly male, despite AAA marketing and demos skewing in that direction. I think in years past it was probably a natural consequence of an overwhelmingly male demographic, but more recently in terms of both awareness and market divide, I'm not sure unintentional gets a free pass any longer.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/232383/gender-split-of-us-computer-and-video-gamers/

Japan is a different story, of course, since gender issues there are... interesting, to say the least, but as SQEX courts an increasingly international audience, they'll have to be more aware of these things, just as western AAA devs are often learning now, as well.

I'm all for a game being more appealing to all sexes, and if you want to have it be sexy, that's fine-- though for me personally, having huge boobs flopping all over the place out of their boob windows and making Cindy stuff her ass out into the camera's view are not the ways to to sell your product. I like sex as much as the next person, but part of titillation is subtlety, at least for me. If you like a lack of subtlety, there's no shame in that, but I would contest the idea that Cindy's representation is classy, necessary, or harmless, and I feel no compunction in stating that it is objectively NOT subtle, especially compared to the bro-adtrip boys. The quality of their 'perfect looks' is emphasized differently by the game-- we're meant to see them as fabulous avatars of power fantasy for us, whereas Cindy is clearly meant to be 'luscious and to be lusted after.'
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on April 30, 2015, 03:20:59 PM

I don't think a comparison to a novel (that is often descriptive by necessity) is a fair to an already visual medium like video games (we can see Cindy is boomin', no need to have the camera swing around her five times). Plus romantic novels are similarly meant to focus visual/sexual cues to, likely, describe attraction both physical and otherwise.  Cidney's scenes are not romantic or in a romantic gaming context.

Plus, it's a pretty unfair cycle to say "we make games for men, so sexual imagery is okay", it's pretty alienating to the, surprisingly large, female FF fanbase and really females would be a good target to hit and expand their demographic.  If a game is more welcoming to both sexes I think it's a win-win for all.

Well the novel comparison is definitely valid in the sense of being quite exclusionary. You could say the exact same thing as you are in your second paragraph that romantic novels are currently alienating men and could increase their demographic. It's undeniable that they're overwhelmingly written by women and for women. At least the ones I'd read. (nearly all being written in female first person)
Of course they should try and be welcoming. But they also shouldn't ditch their current fans for some hypothetical future fans that might not exist. What if they made this incredibly pro-female game in hope of capturing more female fans but the demographic stayed exactly the same? I'm entirely with you if you're arguing from the point of view of just good fiction, it is a bad design. But I'm hugely skeptical that character designs can influence societal behaviour. I guess we could check to see if FFX-2 increased the general female demographic or not. I dunno if those figures are around?


I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure that the market itself has been shown to no longer be overwhelmingly male, despite AAA marketing and demos skewing in that direction. I think in years past it was probably a natural consequence of an overwhelmingly male demographic, but more recently in terms of both awareness and market divide, I'm not sure unintentional gets a free pass any longer.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/232383/gender-split-of-us-computer-and-video-gamers/


Those are the figures that include mobile gaming and just don't tell you. The ones that break it down by console and by genre do show that console AAA gaming is overwhelmingly still male. The last figures I saw did show a lot of variation between genres though. RPGs are definitely more favoured by women than shooters, for example. But overall, a huge amount of the female contribution was coming from mobile (phone) gaming and online PC gaming. Whereas Nintendo, for example, reported about a month ago that 90% of eshop users are male (http://mynintendonews.com/2014/08/28/nintendo-reveals-demographics-of-wii-u-eshop-users-males-account-for-93-and-females-only-7/)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on April 30, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
So basically woman are, almost literally, not afforded respectful treatment in videogames?

But I'm hugely skeptical that character designs can influence societal behaviour. I guess we could check to see if FFX-2 increased the general female demographic or not. I dunno if those figures are around?

I think it's naive to say the art/media has never influenced or shaped a person's opinions in real life and vice versa.  Merlot sales dropped when Sideways was released, BDSM toys have boomed with 50 Shades, meanwhile Cindy's design is much more emblematic of a much larger problem within game design --- and not just a few people saw through that.
And you haven't provided sales figures for X-2 (or by gender) so....there's that.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on April 30, 2015, 05:18:45 PM
So basically woman are, almost literally, not afforded respectful treatment in videogames?

I think it's naive to say the art/media has never influenced or shaped a person's opinions in real life and vice versa.  Merlot sales dropped when Sideways was released, BDSM toys have boomed with 50 Shades, meanwhile Cindy's design is much more emblematic of a much larger problem within game design --- and not just a few people saw through that.
And you haven't provided sales figures for X-2 (or by gender) so....there's that.

Hey, you're putting a lot of words in my mouth here. You're completely flipping the relative scale of the problem here. This is just 1 NPC female character in a massive game. If it was every female character then I'd agree with your argument (and we don't know yet, so you can absolutely hold me to this). But it's the other way round, you're saying that even 1 is a problem. I just think that's asking too much. There are people who like this sort of thing so their position is gonna be in zero-sum conflict with your own. And while I'm really not one of them (my favourite character is Yuna, you can infer my tastes), they should still be defended.
Don't you think that a lot of the problem here is that it's the only female character we've seen? In most FF games, it's usually 1 maximum that's overly sexualized. Maybe if there were 3 more that all looked decent, the general impression would be heavily diluted?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on April 30, 2015, 05:28:35 PM
It's kind of offensive that for a team of men, putting effort into designing a character (since she is supposed to be important) equals making her a sex doll.
Bland generic NPC women get a better treatment... that's pretty sad.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Hathen on April 30, 2015, 08:55:35 PM
I think I've been on record before as someone who really hates stupid things like bikini armor in my fantasy games especially when the men are wearing completely realistic suits of armor so as far as complaints to Cidney's outfit not fitting her profession I'd agree, but I think it's disingenuous a lot of people are acting like that's why they're outraged because it's plain for everyone to see that there's a brouhaha about Cindey's outfit and not the rest of the cast wearing designer clothes in battle (though I've heard plenty of snarky comments about it). It's a sexualization issue and nothing else, it has nothing to do with realism.

For the record I don't care for hyper sexualized characters in my games because I'm not a teenage boy anymore and I just find that stuff condescending (unless the game is being up-front and ridiculous about it like Bayonetta or something, then I just laugh). I think if any of us wanted to watch porn, we'd...go watch porn.

Speaking of Bayonetta, I've heard in some places that Japanese women actually find the character empowering- whether or not that's true would require some digging, but if that's true there's a really big culture gap here in terms of how sexiness "empowers" people. After all, it was only a few decades ago when skirts were apparently considered empowering to women on television, and now they're back to being sexist.

Back to Cidney- They've mentioned that they'll try to hold back on sexualizing her in terms of showing off her character (so camerawork etc)- whether or not they actually do that or it's just PR talk is up in the air of course. Also as far as the way male characters treat her- doesn't that fit into the whole concept of this apparently being a story about bromance? I mean, all 5 of them are young (and presumably, uh, healthy).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on May 01, 2015, 08:36:36 AM
I think I've been on record before as someone who really hates stupid things like bikini armor in my fantasy games especially when the men are wearing completely realistic suits of armor so as far as complaints to Cidney's outfit not fitting her profession I'd agree, but I think it's disingenuous a lot of people are acting like that's why they're outraged because it's plain for everyone to see that there's a brouhaha about Cindey's outfit and not the rest of the cast wearing designer clothes in battle (though I've heard plenty of snarky comments about it). It's a sexualization issue and nothing else, it has nothing to do with realism.

For the record I don't care for hyper sexualized characters in my games because I'm not a teenage boy anymore and I just find that stuff condescending (unless the game is being up-front and ridiculous about it like Bayonetta or something, then I just laugh). I think if any of us wanted to watch porn, we'd...go watch porn.


Well I'll point out that I actually did criticise it purely in terms of realism! Which is obviously why we were disagreeing.

But yeah, I'm 28. This obviously isn't aimed at me nor do I care for it. It's aimed at 13-17 year old boys. When you combine that with the guys roadtrip theme and then the action-based combat, I would've thought it was obvious what they're doing. They're going after the so called "dude-bro" demographic. Just like Nintendo advertising Splatoon in Playboy, cos apparently that still exists. Although that one I'm supportive of on the grounds that I'm looking forward to some "splat" based puns.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on May 01, 2015, 10:32:23 AM
I think I've been on record before as someone who really hates stupid things like bikini armor in my fantasy games especially when the men are wearing completely realistic suits of armor so as far as complaints to Cidney's outfit not fitting her profession I'd agree, but I think it's disingenuous a lot of people are acting like that's why they're outraged because it's plain for everyone to see that there's a brouhaha about Cindey's outfit and not the rest of the cast wearing designer clothes in battle (though I've heard plenty of snarky comments about it). It's a sexualization issue and nothing else, it has nothing to do with realism.

For the record I don't care for hyper sexualized characters in my games because I'm not a teenage boy anymore and I just find that stuff condescending (unless the game is being up-front and ridiculous about it like Bayonetta or something, then I just laugh). I think if any of us wanted to watch porn, we'd...go watch porn.


Well I'll point out that I actually did criticise it purely in terms of realism! Which is obviously why we were disagreeing.

But yeah, I'm 28. This obviously isn't aimed at me nor do I care for it. It's aimed at 13-17 year old boys. When you combine that with the guys roadtrip theme and then the action-based combat, I would've thought it was obvious what they're doing. They're going after the so called "dude-bro" demographic. Just like Nintendo advertising Splatoon in Playboy, cos apparently that still exists. Although that one I'm supportive of on the grounds that I'm looking forward to some "splat" based puns.

Actually, you'll be surprised just how old perverted douchebags can get. I can't honestly say that Cidney wasn't a conscious decision to appeal to the males that need a female present before they'll even look at the game. And of course, the sexier, the better.

Of course, as somebody pointed out earlier that she does resemble Daisy Duke quite a bit (though considering what the Dukes of Hazard was all about, that's probably not the most reasonable justification), which admittedly fits the almost Southern US look that Episode Dustcase gave (with its convenience store and its arid and hilly geography). Of course, if they really were going for that, then that makes The Fresh Prince of Night Air and crew look even more incredibly out of place.

But then again, I can't say that this isn't a legacy design left over from Noruma's tenure as director either.


Frankly, I think that the biggest problem I have right now is the fact that we still don't really know 'what' this game is actually going to be about. Sure, we've got armored carriers dropping in to crash the party of a group of Japanese Tourists, and there's stuff like Nocts dad owns like a very big and very last rock, and people are pissed off at him and the rest of the 1% for no seemingly no reason, and there's this increasingly anime looking babe that got Not upright, but screw all that "ROAD TRIP!" (National Lampoon's Vacation style). I'm certain there'll be plenty of drama in regards to No Country for Old Kings (either in regards to what's going on, or the in-flight movie) and such, but right now all we know is that its gonna take five hours for that babe probably running a fleecing racket to offscreen a road trip for the parts to fix some rich marks' car, while a bunch of sharply dressed broke tourists onscreens a road trip for the money needed to pay the "Helloo Nurse!".

Its kinda like playing a demo for GTA: San Andreas that consists of nothing but Trucking missions.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on May 02, 2015, 09:54:54 AM


Actually, you'll be surprised just how old perverted douchebags can get. I can't honestly say that Cidney wasn't a conscious decision to appeal to the males that need a female present before they'll even look at the game. And of course, the sexier, the better.


Of course, I would never be so harsh as to denigrate the perviness of old people. I just don't think many of them have consoles!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Arvis on May 04, 2015, 02:52:37 PM
Episode Dustcase
I love Autocorrect.

I think the real issue here is this:  is it "Cidney" or "Cindy"?  If it's the latter, she can't really be called this game's "Cid", can she?  Why is no one up in arms about this?  These are the really important FF issues.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Rucks on May 04, 2015, 03:05:07 PM
Episode Dustcase
I love Autocorrect.

I think the real issue here is this:  is it "Cidney" or "Cindy"?  If it's the latter, she can't really be called this game's "Cid", can she?  Why is no one up in arms about this?  These are the really important FF issues.

I could be mistaken, but I think this is one of those "tina" "terra" FFVI moments where the name literally translates to "Cidney" but will probably be changed to "Cindy"for the North American/probably other release. 
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on May 04, 2015, 03:07:29 PM
I don't understand why even Square is claiming "Female Cid"

I'm either losing my mind or I swear to God at the end of the demo, she mentions her Dad or Grandpa is named "Cid," which means the usual Cid is still in the game, just not on camera.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on May 04, 2015, 06:16:15 PM
Episode Dustcase
I love Autocorrect.

I think the real issue here is this:  is it "Cidney" or "Cindy"?  If it's the latter, she can't really be called this game's "Cid", can she?  Why is no one up in arms about this?  These are the really important FF issues.

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That's no Autocorrect boy. No Autocorrect. /Ramba Ral

I was too lazy to bother looking up the proper spelling.

As for what's her face, I couldn't care less if her name was localized as Chop Sooney. I just hope there's some kind of DLC later on that has you playing as her tootling down the road in a motorbike, fighting monsters and looking fer parts, gratuitous costumes be dammed (oh yeah, and that the actual game is good).
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on May 08, 2015, 02:53:29 PM
I bet they originally had her be the airship owner, as in Cid fashion. They then cancelled the airship so changed Cid to be a different character in the game instead. It'll be a guy owning a balloon shop or something.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Mickeymac92 on June 01, 2015, 09:09:22 PM
So my bro finally gave me the go-ahead to play Episode Duscae without him. I've been playing for about an hour and a half, and I'm a little overwhelmed - I expected a 3 hour tour, but there's quite a bit to do! 8 objectives at least, post-tutorial. Guess I should've followed it more closely.

Also, did they update this already? Because I'm really liking the combat. I'm not quite sure how to switch weapons (it seems to involve the directionals, but so far I've only been able to use 3 weapons when the list showed 5 at least), but it was exactly what I hoped for: movement has a bit of weight to it, each wepon has a different feel, and there's a decent emphasis on utilizing your environment as well as the usual dodge and parry you'd expect from a modern action-RPG. Plus using all the different skills, etc. I'm a bit sad I was so late to the party if this is still the original build.

EDIT: Nvm, was closer to the end than I thought. I still haven't fought the Behemoth a second time (stopped because it's getting late), but I'm having a great time so far. I love the interactions between characters, and everyone except Noctis seems to have a lot of personality (Noctis isn't too bad, either, just doesn't say much). The camera could be better, though, but maybe I just need to get used to it? I've certainly dealt with worse, at least. I'll finish this off in the morning, then I'll go back to waiting for the full game, now with renewed enthusiasm.

EDIT Again: Beat it. Also did some of the extra quests, though I couldn't find the lake magicite...I did find the marsh one, though. Was that the same thing? EDIT Thrice: Got the Magicite, but apparently I gotta get a few more frogs for one more quest.

Anyways, that was a fun ride. Still not sure if this is 2.0 since they said it would release in "the first week of June", and it's June 2nd in a short week, but I didn't see any dodge rolling or party actions. Maybe I'll be in for a treat later this week?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on June 04, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
http://gematsu.com/2015/06/final-fantasy-xv-stella-gone-episode-duscae-2-0-slated-june-9

So a bunch of deets went down today. The biggest has to be the reorientation of the story and its direction. The biggest of these changes is the removal of Stella and the addition of her replacement Luna (IIRC, Stella's role was more of a Juliet to Noctis' Romeo, but now I suspect that the game's going to double down on the emphasis that this is really about Noctis' Big Score; but that's what the cynic in me says). Another change is Noctis + Band's departure from home central (instead of a raid forcing the party out onto the road, it appears that they took to the road and the raid happens off screen afterwards). Finally, this ain't FFX, so no underwater-sports for you; but if you collect enough screws, you can assemble your own Erector Set.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on June 04, 2015, 07:51:35 PM
"(instead of a raid forcing the party out onto the road exciting setpiece, it appears that they took to the road and the raid all the cool stuff happens off screen afterwards)"

Honestly at this point it feels like they've given up on making anything good and just want to get the thing to work.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on June 04, 2015, 08:49:39 PM
This is the Duke Nukem Forever of JRPGs.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Hathen on June 04, 2015, 09:27:36 PM
We really didn't know much about Stella so I can't say I feel much about the removal (I liked her design though). But just the fact they're removing an entire character from the game says a lot to me.

Also what Klutz said.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on June 04, 2015, 09:44:23 PM
I see it differently. The series has been in desperate need of focus, of a person at the top saying "no, we know what we're trying to make, and that doesn't fit anymore." A lack of focus lead to the problems a lot of folks had with XII and XIII. While it might not be what was initially expected, I think the final product will be stronger for the fact that one person, Tabata, is making decisions based on the experience they're envisioning. Will it be good? Who knows, but at least it won't be a mishmash.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on June 04, 2015, 09:44:52 PM
I'm just enjoying watching all the people freak out about how replacing a character we didn't really know anything about with another character we don't really know anything about has ruined the game.

I don't know, I have to feel a little sorry for Tabata.  There can be little doubt at this point that the project he inherited was a complete mess, but now that he's gone and changed things you'd better believe that if the final result isn't perfect (and it won't be) a lot of people are going to blame him.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on June 04, 2015, 09:55:54 PM
"(instead of a raid forcing the party out onto the road exciting setpiece, it appears that they took to the road and the raid all the cool stuff happens off screen afterwards)"

Honestly at this point it feels like they've given up on making anything good and just want to get the thing to work.

I was trying to avoid saying that out loud.

But then, I feel that we could be dodging an FFXIII situation where they made the setpiece and by god they're going to shove it in, no matter how inappropriate to the overall narrative it ends up being. See also: Sazh's suicide.


As for Stella, if she was a Noruma product, then we're probably better off without her, but if she was from somebody who was actually capable of writing (yeah yeah, Squeenix, I know), then this was indeed bad news.

Frankly though, I feel like we're breaking even right now. Not enough information out there to set interests to 'ignore', but also not enough to qualify the enterprise as 'improved' yet.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Hathen on June 04, 2015, 10:02:44 PM
I doubt there were no instances of "no that doesn't work, remove it" in the development of FFXII or FFXIII, I guess it's just a lot more pronounced with this game given it's nearly decade-long development hell alongside more transparency in the development.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on June 05, 2015, 12:45:34 AM
I'm just enjoying watching all the people freak out about how replacing a character we didn't really know anything about with another character we don't really know anything about has ruined the game.

The only reason I'm disappointed is because I thought Stella was way more appealing looking than Luna.  One looked like a modern kickass Juliet with a rapier while the current blonde looks a bit cutesy and sugary.
Ah well, there was nothing to go on, who knows what's been cut up, added, etc.  Maybe she still does fight (I really hope so) and play more than the "your princess is in another castle" sort of role.

Honestly at this point it feels like they've given up on making anything good and just want to get the thing to work.

(http://digitalmediazone.ryerson.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/larrydavid2.gif)

ARgh.  Yeah.  I really want to have faith, but I'm honestly so skeptical this game can have a compelling tale after the years of bad/pretentious storytelling from the FF series and the general developmental MESS FF15 has had.  I love that they took in fan feedback, but I'm curious how big they'll tune things up (and hopefully SquareEnix figures out "fast travel" in time!).  Maybe we'll need 15-2 before it gets good...

This is not really here or there, but can we just use Nomura as a scapegoat for any other hiccups this game has?  Pre-release and post-release?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: ScottC on June 05, 2015, 01:02:10 AM
ARgh.  Yeah.  I really want to have faith, but I'm honestly so skeptical this game can have a compelling tale after the years of bad/pretentious storytelling from the FF series and Square Enix titles in general --- so I'm not even daring to be optimistic, I'll just wait and have either (a) my expectations in check, or (b) be pleasantly surprised.

I had the same feeling about the FF series storywise until I played 14.  For an MMO, it has IMO the best story in a Final Fantasy game since the PSX era, and it hasn't even finished telling the whole story yet.  If 14 is anything to go by there are people at SE that can still write a great story, so there is hope for 15, maybe.
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Post by: IhaveFURY on June 05, 2015, 04:22:46 PM
I'm on team "bummed about Stella" because, yeah, i really liked the idea of her character and what little we've seen of Luna doesn't indicate that she's going to be any more interesting, but hey! Who knows? Still excited for the game.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on June 09, 2015, 01:15:38 PM
http://gematsu.com/2015/06/final-fantasy-xv-episode-duscae-version-2-0-out-today

So round 2.0 is out now. Who's gettin' on this?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: ScottC on June 09, 2015, 01:35:36 PM
I just played 2.0 and the combat is lightyears better then 1.0.  Like night and day.  Camera is a lot faster(had to put it back on 3 because it was to fast when I restarted) Entering combat pulls the camera away from Noctis to give you a better view and you can lock on easily and your character tracks perfectly allowing you to actually press other directions to execute the different normal attacks now.  You basically no longer lose sight of the enemy. Dodging is way easier, uses 0 MP if you dodge at the last second and the roll dodge allows you to maneuver around enemies.  Gives you a lot of freedom with MP usage.  The cross chains you can learn are very Kingdom Hearts "triangle"(square and triangle now) style quick time events for big damage, very cool in my book.  I only had time to play till the first "bro date"(group splits up) with Gladio and learn the cross chains but overall a huge leap forward for the combat in this game.

Edit:  Also when I meet back up with the other two, it tells you what they were up to all day.  You know me and Gladio were doing work, becoming a better team and all, and what did Promto do all day?  He pet a chocobo...God I hate Promto!
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on June 09, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
Ooo I might have to jump back on this
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: IhaveFURY on June 09, 2015, 02:33:43 PM
That sounds like a big improvement. :D
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 09, 2015, 02:51:36 PM
I doubt there were no instances of "no that doesn't work, remove it" in the development of FFXII or FFXIII, I guess it's just a lot more pronounced with this game given it's nearly decade-long development hell alongside more transparency in the development.

After checking the Active Time Report 6.0 is clear that Versus and XV are not one and the same. At one point they were, yeah. But once Tabata had to take the responsibility of the whole thing, it became less of a case of Nomura being too busy with way too many projects at once and more about giving XV its own identity, its own universe and not letting it be stuck on what was shown of Versus exclusively. All in all, the team behind XV is much more reassuring than the one of Versus.

Edit:  Also when I meet back up with the other two, it tells you what they were up to all day.  You know me and Gladio were doing work, becoming a better team and all, and what did Promto do all day?  He pet a chocobo...God I hate Promto!

For what I've seen of Prompto, I'm happy with him not being a Shinji Ikari or a Batman. We have plenty of those in others FF already.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on June 09, 2015, 04:58:54 PM
Why are people saying Luna doesn't look interesting? Unless I'm mistaken, we've seen about 10 seconds of her :-\
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Kevadu on June 09, 2015, 05:31:14 PM
Why are people saying Luna doesn't look interesting? Unless I'm mistaken, we've seen about 10 seconds of her :-\

Because just look at her.  Look at her!!

....yeah, I don't get it either.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on June 09, 2015, 05:49:36 PM
Why are people saying Luna doesn't look interesting? Unless I'm mistaken, we've seen about 10 seconds of her :-\

agreed
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Post by: Mickeymac92 on June 09, 2015, 06:02:53 PM
Promptu is my favorite character, he's like the little brother playing with the big boys.

Can't wait to fire this up again, but it'll have to wait until Thursday.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on June 09, 2015, 06:07:34 PM
Why are people saying Luna doesn't look interesting? Unless I'm mistaken, we've seen about 10 seconds of her :-\

Only difference, besides their looks, is that at least we saw a trailer of Stella fighting and talking... Luna we've only seen sitting....with sparkles in the air...

But it's not like there's really much else to talk about, Final Fanatics will discuss what they can
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 09, 2015, 08:29:02 PM
Why are people saying Luna doesn't look interesting? Unless I'm mistaken, we've seen about 10 seconds of her :-\

Sounds like the typical random baffling comment out of a FF fan. Though, I blame that one on SQEX for making their audience thirsty and having the bad habit of dangling the carrot in front of our faces too much at times.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on June 10, 2015, 01:39:44 AM
Why are people saying Luna doesn't look interesting? Unless I'm mistaken, we've seen about 10 seconds of her :-\

Because just look at her.  Look at her!!

....yeah, I don't get it either.

Because something, something, Final Fantasy Fanbase.

That said, even the "But Stella was going to be important! ;_;" comment doesn't really hold much water since, even if that's what Nomura was aiming for, he's not had the best track record in regards to strong female characters (for instance: out of all the ladies of Kingdom Hearts, only Aqua (and the Disney Villainesses due to canon, and Aeriel for the occasional instance her setting popped up) took action, and she wound up stuffed inside a plot hole for future use within the space of a game).

Of course its impossible to say definitively as the character, for all intents and purposes, never existed, but from the looks of things, it did seem like Nomura was aiming to make something along the lines of Entourage: The Movie: The Video Game for a while there, and I don't think she was going to have the role Nomura said she was going to have.
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Post by: ScottC on June 10, 2015, 01:50:52 AM
I finished up 2.0 and I gotta say if they keep going in this direction with the game and the story is well done then its going to be really good.  Finishing tidbits below -

- I enjoy this combat system a lot more now, it's fast and responsive now.
- The interactions between the party seems more frequent now and they show off their chemistry together in a much better light.
- There is actually 4 tour missions not 3.  You can do an additional one with Gladio after you fix the car.
-  The Catoblepas (those things walking in the lake) are huge and it takes 3 casts of Ramuh to kill it off.  You barely do any damage to it and it one shots you with all attacks.  Still awesome to look at though.
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Post by: Taelus on June 10, 2015, 01:55:03 AM
Yeah, I'm very happy with the new changes. Combat's a lot tighter. The camera still has a lot of issues in the Behemoth den, and tracking on some techniques is a bit rough, but overall it's way tighter and more fun.

Basically at this point, my biggest concern is that the quest design is abysmal. "Run way the heck over here with Gladio for a tutorial." "Go pick up a random piece of junk because you saw a roadsign complete with generic voice clips from the team."

I haven't done the other tours yet, but based on the random quests when traveling, the amount of "Go to [Location] with [Party Member] and hit X to fight [enemy]" is incredibly worrying. I hope it's just a demo thing, because right now it feels abhorrently menial. It's basically a walking/hitting groups of enemies simulator. Maybe I'm spoiled by Witcher 3's questing and exploration, but there needs to be a lot more of interest in this world. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: ScottC on June 10, 2015, 02:11:22 AM
I haven't done the other tours yet, but based on the random quests when traveling, the amount of "Go to [Location] with [Party Member] and hit X to fight [enemy]" is incredibly worrying. I hope it's just a demo thing, because right now it feels abhorrently menial. It's basically a walking/hitting groups of enemies simulator. Maybe I'm spoiled by Witcher 3's questing and exploration, but there needs to be a lot more of interest in this world. Fingers crossed.

Good point, I think I am so anal retentive about doing quests and making sure that they are all done, it doesn't even phase me anymore if they are boring.  To many years playing MMOs have dulled my senses to mundane quests.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on June 10, 2015, 02:52:23 AM
Why are people saying Luna doesn't look interesting? Unless I'm mistaken, we've seen about 10 seconds of her :-\

Because just look at her.  Look at her!!

....yeah, I don't get it either.

Because something, something, Final Fantasy Fanbase.

That said, even the "But Stella was going to be important! ;_;" comment doesn't really hold much water since, even if that's what Nomura was aiming for, he's not had the best track record in regards to strong female characters (for instance: out of all the ladies of Kingdom Hearts, only Aqua (and the Disney Villainesses due to canon, and Aeriel for the occasional instance her setting popped up) took action, and she wound up stuffed inside a plot hole for future use within the space of a game).

MY NAME IS KAIRI.  I WEAR PINK AND WIELD THIS FUCKING THING BECAUSE AM A GIRL:
(http://www.khwiki.com/images/thumb/9/94/Destiny's_Embrace_KHBBS.png/200px-Destiny's_Embrace_KHBBS.png)

I have no problem with ladies and florals as a 'pretty-her-up' motif, but goddamn as far as the design team (oh wait, Nomura) asking "what would a girl use?" and then giving her THAT is straight-up hilarious and stupid.  I liked that Aqua was, I think (IIRC) for the most part disjointed from her gender other than the fact she was "caring".  And while I like the "hopelessness" of BBS's plot, I also acknowledge it exists in a "plot vacuum" of its own arbitrary creation that I'll never really understand.

On the other hand, Riku's keyblade (http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/kingdomhearts/images/8/87/Way_to_the_Dawn_KHII.png/revision/latest?cb=20110202213718) is best described with this spot-on Hiimdaisy moment. (http://i.imgur.com/SOmEiY5.jpg)

Anyways, great to hear pretty much unanimous love for the changes for FF15's demo I can't wait to give it a shot again when I get the PS4 back.

Meanwhile here's a funny picture to celebrate:
(http://i.imgur.com/hPWNxlP.jpg)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: timmyFd on June 10, 2015, 05:21:12 AM

Only difference, besides their looks, is that at least we saw a trailer of Stella fighting and talking... Luna we've only seen sitting....with sparkles in the air...


Right, that's where I assume it was coming from.

This is why I kinda dislike this whole "strong characters" idea, people see someone fighting and they just jump to "strong, positive character". I call bullshit on that. Being a good fighter can be a sign of a strong character, but it's not a sufficient condition for one. And it has almost no correlation with being an interesting character at all.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 10, 2015, 09:49:50 AM
Of course its impossible to say definitively as the character, for all intents and purposes, never existed, but from the looks of things, it did seem like Nomura was aiming to make something along the lines of Entourage: The Movie: The Video Game for a while there, and I don't think she was going to have the role Nomura said she was going to have.

I highly doubt Versus was vaporware with the way it was talked about and shown a few times. And it wouldn't be surprising if playable builds were left for private use.

In any case is no secret that Nomura put a lot of himself in Versus. Music, movies and fashion that he's into was used to create aspects of the characters or the world and I bet ideas he never could get into Kingdom Hearts he used them for Versus later making them their own thing.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Mickeymac92 on June 10, 2015, 07:56:15 PM
Goddamn I want to play this now that you guys have talked it up...but I did a 7.5 mile walk today (among other things) and now the most I can manage is barely moving my right hand enough to type...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on August 05, 2015, 02:20:38 AM
https://youtu.be/BcGLfeni0og
New three minute cinematic trailer thing featuring the little girl in Sia's music videos and an extra long hugging sequence with lil' Noctis and his Papa!  Aww.  Good to see the less often used father/son dynamic I guess.

(http://cdn1-www.afterellen.com/assets/uploads/2014/05/Screen-Shot-2014-05-06-at-8.40.55-AM1.png)

Noctis' dad got re-designed I think; or it's some other hip fella. 

Cool cool.

Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Futomimi on August 05, 2015, 03:01:42 AM
I liked it. It felt like A FF to me. I enjoyed the demo but it didn't have the scope of a FF (which is understandable but still) so I'm excited.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on August 05, 2015, 05:34:43 PM
Argh I missed the press conference.  Brace yourself on a few points:

I took this from GAF's summary (I'm sorry I'd watch the vid myself but I have a few things tying me up on my end, and because the GAF summary has a kinda negative cadence on a few points, it's sort of annoying):
Quote
- We redesigned Regis. No reasons given.
- Airships? We're behind and still working on it, maybe as DLC.
- We're nowhere near done. (they didn't say this per se, but it's obvious looking at the state of things)
- We can't announce a release window, even if we do have one.
- Important questions about black bars and cosplay.
- The prologue of the game has changed!
- Luna is a strong female character even though nothing we've shown supports that.
- The girl with black hair? We haven't named her yet.
- Main baddie? Who knows.
- Stay tuned for PAX when we'll show the same trailer.
- Feedback forum! Not ready yet.
- New stuff at TGS and working on a new demo.
- Malboro fight with a bunch of seconds of gameplay and a brief stroll through some new landscapes.
- Product placement for german beer.

+ funny picture:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLqRFe1UEAAvLOy.jpg:orig)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174271179&postcount=1
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on August 05, 2015, 05:45:31 PM
I'm torn. On the one hand, I do not think they should explain away EVERYTHING in the game before it comes out (I want to be surprised!0, but on the other hand, man that presentation was anemic.

I don't want them to show off the villain. I want to be surprised, damn it.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 05, 2015, 06:36:23 PM
@Dice: Unless the source originates from GAF, I wouldn't recommend sharing their lunacy and misplaced fanboyism with the rest of the world.

Gematsu has a decent summary. I'll leave it here if anybody is interested in checking that out instead; Final Fantasy XV at Gamescom 2015: Early story detailed, Malboro battle footage (http://gematsu.com/2015/08/final-fantasy-xv-gamescom-2015-early-story-detailed-malboro-battle-footage)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on August 05, 2015, 06:54:52 PM
@Dice: Unless the source originates from GAF, I wouldn't recommend sharing their lunacy and misplaced fanboyism with the rest of the world.

Gematsu has a decent summary. I'll leave it here if anybody is interested in checking that out instead; Final Fantasy XV at Gamescom 2015: Early story detailed, Malboro battle footage (http://gematsu.com/2015/08/final-fantasy-xv-gamescom-2015-early-story-detailed-malboro-battle-footage)

eh, I don't blame their 'passion', but honestly the freaking out there is both a little silly and a bit funny.  Thanks for sharing the Gematsu bit, it's definitely a better write up.

And yeah Taelus, I kinda like a few surprises myself so I don't mind distancing from this a little.  I'm also not nearly as invested to some extent (partially because why be excited for something we have no release date for?).  I'm of course still eager for the final product -- when it happens.   Like the amount of 'fanisms' about changing small things like the dad's design (and for a character I'm not really invested in)...I mean, I just don't really care.  I care a bit about the Stella/Luna changes because the first impressions feel almost entirely different.

Besides actual reveals I don't really feel like getting close to this, I think the rest of the net is talking enough about it.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 06, 2015, 11:50:56 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ItEw6az.png)

"Leviathan will be summoned by a female character in Final Fantasy XV." -- Nova Crystallis (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2015/08/gc-2015-ffxvs-leviathan-will-be-summoned-by-a-female-character/)

I'm also not nearly as invested to some extent (partially because why be excited for something we have no release date for?).  I'm of course still eager for the final product -- when it happens.   Like the amount of 'fanisms' about changing small things like the dad's design (and for a character I'm not really invested in)...I mean, I just don't really care.

What fans should have more than clear by now is that the game they want so badly (FF Versus XIII) is the framework that XV was rebooted from and later expanded on the game we see now. Changes are to be expected.

Really the problem here is SQEX's bad habit of announcing their big RPGs when they are barely a concept. Which is as counterproductive as that event Marvel did to announce their Phase 3 movies when internally those plans change internally virtually all the time, and that leaves their public dates and line-up as referencial at best.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on August 06, 2015, 12:02:52 PM
I just don't get how people don't understand that-- all the 'IT HAS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR TEN YEARS' and 'IT LOOKED BETTER BEFORE WTF' seem to miss that XV and Versus aren't the same game. Same characters, same concept (as you mentioned), but a totally new game built on that. Started like, three years ago, not ten. Marketing snafu for sure, but people just really want to believe this game has been in active development for ten years.

Also that Leviathan art hngh
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Post by: Dice on August 06, 2015, 01:25:18 PM
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2015/3596.html
Kinda yeah, kinda naw, Tabata drops the date for FF15 for 2016.  ...potential delays not included, I'm guessing.
But hey, I dig getting a date (or rather a time-frame)! :)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Agent D. on August 06, 2015, 01:47:54 PM
I just don't get how people don't understand that-- all the 'IT HAS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR TEN YEARS' and 'IT LOOKED BETTER BEFORE WTF' seem to miss that XV and Versus aren't the same game. Same characters, same concept (as you mentioned), but a totally new game built on that. Started like, three years ago, not ten. Marketing snafu for sure, but people just really want to believe this game has been in active development for ten years.

Also that Leviathan art hngh
To be fair, the fact that it's using the same characters and some concepts from Versus, wouldn't that actually mean it HAS been in development the whole time, but in reality scrapped at one point, meaning 7 years of work wasted? I mean in any case the whole situation reeks of fails, but I mean...we can gussy it up in a bunch of ways but it still is kind of 10 years between Versus and now XV.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Taelus on August 06, 2015, 02:11:06 PM
I think "planning" and development have to be separated here. Otherwise, by that logic, Persona 5 has been in development since 2009 because the team said then that they were working on concepts for it. The game WAS scrapped basically entirely like three years ago, so while Square Enix did fall prey to announcing it too soon, it's not really the same game anymore anywa.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Futomimi on August 06, 2015, 06:43:12 PM
I understand the need to build up hype for a game from a business perspective. But game companies have become really bad at drawing out the waiting and over speculation. Final Fantasy XV is just a more egregious example. Look at Atlus and Persona 5. Why do we have to wait for D23 (or even later) just to get a definitive answer on when it is coming out? Why post cryptic messages on twitter instead of treating your customers with respect? When you know when it is coming out, why not just tell us? (The obvious answer being that D23 has a bigger audience than just posting it on their website or twitter and it will have a bigger impact....but shush about that)

I understand that game companies want their customers to salivate for their games like Pavlov and his dogs. But I would prefer it if companies didn't announce games until they were 90% complete.

(I know this might be a little ironic being posted on a site dedicated to news about video games. I tried to post it on Marthastewart.com but they deleted it because it did not pertain to no bake lasagna.)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on August 06, 2015, 09:25:59 PM
^ Yeah I generally agree with that.  I can't say the way the whole thing has been handled has been too good but I'm sure it's difficult at this point too. 

*shrug* What'ya'gunna'do.
(http://i.imgur.com/HTyClWj.gif)

They made people sit and wait, so now they're extra-critical of what they've sat and waited for (and y'know, fanz are crazy).
My hype's gone, but I'm not that type to begin with and I'll feel the hype when we're like a few weeks from release, that's usually the 'big test' for me. :P

I do laugh at the people who thought the game was 'cancelled'.  Not like an FF15 wouldn't have happened one day anyways.  I mean, it's a mothership RPG series, if it could be called one.

I'm happy that they're reiterating that Luna will indeed have a big role, I just hope, among many things, they deliver (like quick travel...please oh please put that one in).  On the bright side at least it's almost guaranteed the music will rock, AMIRITE TAELUS? WOOOOOOOOOYAH
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Post by: Futomimi on August 07, 2015, 02:39:14 AM
^ I wish I could be that way (only caring about it a couple weeks till release.) I guess I should look at it as an opportunity to work on a personal flaw. I will say that they can work on it for another ten years if that is what they need to make it great.

I just wish they would get all the head developers together, ask them "So roughly how long guys and gals?", add about 6 months for security padding, and go online and say it will be out in (X) months. I don't like having to look at TBAs. I want dates, even if they are gross overestimations. I kind of like overestimations in release dates because it is a little like being seven, waking up, and your mom going 'We decided to move your birthday up to today!' Part of it is because there is this little guy in me who, every time they release a new trailer thinks 'Maybe they like surprise parties and it is really coming out tomorrow.'

With Persona 5, the little guy is going 'Katsura Hashino knows when it is coming out. He probably has a specific date in his head. He might have had it since before E3.' They keep reiterating 2015, so unless they are intentionally trying to anger people he knows. He is just waiting to unveil it. I know it is silly. 
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Post by: Lard on August 07, 2015, 05:34:05 AM
The new plot summary sounds more political than I expected, more in the vein of FF12.

I liked that music in the trailer while they were walking around. Was that overworld music from the Type-0 demo or was that just selected for the trailer?
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Maxximum on August 07, 2015, 05:57:10 AM
There's something about this game that really rubs me the wrong way. I don't know weather its the character design, the incredibly pompous presentation or the overwhelming feeling that I'm going to absolutely hate the battle system.
Time will tell, but I've come to the conclusion that I've grown to hate modern jRPGs. No problem though, I've got a lot of retro stuff to fall back on, not to mention the rather impressive indie scene.
I have been wrong before though (I thought I would hate Diddy Kong Racing, and it ended up being my favourite cart racer). So, who knows...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Arvis on August 07, 2015, 08:56:37 AM
I just hope, among many things, they deliver (like quick travel...please oh please put that one in).

I don't see why they wouldn't.  In fact, it could be really awesome: when you quick travel, the loading screen could be a few seconds of a skit between the guys, similar to the camping skits, but shorter.  There could be a selection of them for each portion of the game and then, as you move forward in the plot, you unlock some more that are contextual to the unfolding story elements.  Imagine quick traveling and then, as it's loading, you see Noctis in deep thought watching the landscape and someone asks him "What are you thinking?" and he replies "Why does Cidney dress like that?  I mean, what is she thinking?"

Man, I should make video games.  I'm a genius.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Maxximum on August 07, 2015, 09:23:44 AM
I just hope, among many things, they deliver (like quick travel...please oh please put that one in).

I don't see why they wouldn't.  In fact, it could be really awesome: when you quick travel, the loading screen could be a few seconds of a skit between the guys, similar to the camping skits, but shorter.  There could be a selection of them for each portion of the game and then, as you move forward in the plot, you unlock some more that are contextual to the unfolding story elements.  Imagine quick traveling and then, as it's loading, you see Noctis in deep thought watching the landscape and someone asks him "What are you thinking?" and he replies "Why does Cidney dress like that?  I mean, what is she thinking?"

Man, I should make video games.  I'm a genius.

You do know why loading screens exist in the first place right? :)
Its a fine idea, but from a tech point of view, its VERY unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Lian_Kazairl on August 07, 2015, 11:31:53 AM
I think "planning" and development have to be separated here. Otherwise, by that logic, Persona 5 has been in development since 2009 because the team said then that they were working on concepts for it. The game WAS scrapped basically entirely like three years ago, so while Square Enix did fall prey to announcing it too soon, it's not really the same game anymore anywa.

The reveal literally transformed the Versus XIII logo into the XV logo, though, and even the Amano artwork behind the title is basically the same, just recolored. Combined with the fact that basic character and story elements have remained relatively the same, I can see how people would think that development just shifted instead of stopping and restarting. Plus, how much do you think the average gamer really digs into the details of the development of games, even AAA games like XV?  

Personally, I understand that they rebooted development, but it's also hard for me to forget that this game is being built on the bones of a game that was announced almost 10 years ago. It's not enough of a clean break for me to completely separate the two in my mind, and my expectations for XV are high in part because it's building off of Versus XIII and the fiasco that game went through in development.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on August 07, 2015, 12:39:11 PM
Final Fantasy XV team in talks to borrow tech from Just Cause 3 (http://gematsu.com/2015/08/final-fantasy-xv-team-talks-borrow-tech-from-just-cause-3) -- Gematsu

"Director Tabata interested in game's verticality."

This will definitely benefit the game if everything goes smoothly. I doubt the open-world of XV is going to be as bombastic as the one in JC3, but we'll see what happens.

I liked that music in the trailer while they were walking around. Was that overworld music from the Type-0 demo or was that just selected for the trailer?

I'm pretty sure that track debuted with the 'Dawn' trailer.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 23, 2015, 06:26:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/yuA0uXy.png)

Tabata talks more about magic in Final Fantasy XV and Regis' redesign (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2015/08/tabata-talks-more-about-magic-in-final-fantasy-xv-and-regis-redesign/) -- Nova Crystallis

Summary [by Nova Crystallis] of the interview from Spieletester (http://www.spieletester.com/specials/final-fantasy-xv-interview-mit-hajime-tabata/) with Hajime Tabata:

The reason wasn't that King Regis previous design didn't fit in the game, Tabata actually liked it and said that they have a good reason for it, though it's a huge spoiler for the rest of the game so they won't tell you why yet. They are going to reveal what's not the case soon.

Magic is usually activated by special rings the characters will be able to wear. It won’t come from the characters hands, instead you will manipulate the elements in the environment.

There are two types of magic in the game. One of them being that only those from the Lucis family can use.

Magic is about 60% complete. It works in-game, though they aren't happy with the visual effects yet.

The dog featured in the 'Dawn' trailer is a messenger for one of the characters.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Agent D. on August 23, 2015, 07:15:23 PM
I had this huge concept for an rpg battle system where you used magic based on the elements available to you. Like for example if you had a puddle close by, water magic, and if there was a metal pole you could use steel manipulation magic...wonder if this is what they're aiming for when they said  manipulate the environment?
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Post by: insertnamehere on August 23, 2015, 10:26:36 PM
I'm almost done with the demo and I agree with Stephen's preview, but one concern for me is that imperial soldiers appear really often and so far 95% of the time they're piss easy but one time (at level 30ish) they really screwed my party up because they kept committing suicide and I'd get KO'd, then revived, and probably 2~3 seconds later I'm at 0 hp again.
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Post by: Annubis on August 31, 2015, 08:07:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVL7DFiWTx4

I can't wait until they display the stuck in traffic module.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on August 31, 2015, 11:43:44 AM
I had this huge concept for an rpg battle system where you used magic based on the elements available to you. Like for example if you had a puddle close by, water magic, and if there was a metal pole you could use steel manipulation magic...wonder if this is what they're aiming for when they said  manipulate the environment?

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/avatar/images/9/99/Opening_Avatar_logo.png/revision/latest?cb=20140102120406)
?

That would be cool though.

I really hope the battle system is excellent.  In retrospect I felt it was lacking (or hopefully it was because it was "first world" level of meh, like how a number of ARPGs are a little slow at the start), so hopefully it expands well in the final product.
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Post by: Aurian on August 31, 2015, 10:12:17 PM
Magna Carta did this...
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 01, 2015, 11:14:32 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/8v6ALOD.png)

Final Fantasy XV at PAX 2015: 2016 Release, March Event, Progress Report, Concept Art and Driving Gameplay (http://gematsu.com/2015/08/final-fantasy-xv-pax-2015-2016-release-march-event-progress-report-concept-art-driving-gameplay) -- Gematsu

(http://i.imgur.com/rH4bZPY.png)

Final Fantasy Versus XIII was around 25% complete when it became Final Fantasy XV (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2015/08/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-was-around-25-complete-when-it-became-final-fantasy-xv/) -- Nova Crystallis

---

(http://i.imgur.com/vHuK5F1.png)

"Unbreakable bonds." -- FINAL FANTASY XV, Twitter (https://twitter.com/FFXVEN/status/638147482652839936)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on September 19, 2015, 03:09:14 AM
http://gematsu.com/2015/09/final-fantasy-xv-chocobo-fishing-gameplay-king-regis-luna-information

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Chocobos can be rented in gil for up to 30 days, and called at any time. While riding chocobos, you can press the jump button again to make it try to stay airborne. When you get off a chocobo, it will follow you for a while. You cannot raise or bread chocobos. And you can catch fish of all sizes in bodies of water, using various different rods, to cook up back at camp.

0/10. Worst Final Fantasy confirmed.

(http://gematsu.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/FFXV-ATR-Captures_09-19-15_001-600x338.jpg)

Also apparently, we're tootling around fantasy-not-Italy. I bet I can guess what Luna's Job is.
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Post by: Kevadu on September 19, 2015, 03:28:43 AM
To be honest I always kind of disliked having to raise/breed chocobos.  I never found it very engaging, it was just busy work you had to go through to get to the rare goodies.

Now fishing!  ...OK, yeah, that's pretty lame too.
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Post by: Aeolus on September 19, 2015, 03:37:38 AM
To be honest I always kind of disliked having to raise/breed chocobos.  I never found it very engaging, it was just busy work you had to go through to get to the rare goodies.

Now fishing!  ...OK, yeah, that's pretty lame too.

I was being half-facetious with that post. Namely because I wouldn't put it past Squeenix to have given us XIII-2's Chocobo Breading versus VII's (VII's CB was fairly grindy too but the game basically told you what to do and the rewards were generally good enough to at least put in some effort; compared to XIII-2's unintuitive horsebirdshit loaded with invisible stats, forced resets all the way back to bush league, shit rewards and RNG bullshit).
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Post by: Kevadu on September 19, 2015, 03:43:27 AM
Oh...I never even played XIII-2...
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Post by: Aurian on September 19, 2015, 12:38:34 PM
To be honest I always kind of disliked having to raise/breed chocobos.  I never found it very engaging, it was just busy work you had to go through to get to the rare goodies.

Now fishing!  ...OK, yeah, that's pretty lame too.

I was being half-facetious with that post. Namely because I wouldn't put it past Squeenix to have given us XIII-2's Chocobo Breading versus VII's (VII's CB was fairly grindy too but the game basically told you what to do and the rewards were generally good enough to at least put in some effort; compared to XIII-2's unintuitive horsebirdshit loaded with invisible stats, forced resets all the way back to bush league, shit rewards and RNG bullshit).

Mmmmmm Chocobo Breading. Roasted or fried?
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Post by: Dice on September 19, 2015, 05:57:45 PM
To be honest I always kind of disliked having to raise/breed chocobos.  I never found it very engaging, it was just busy work you had to go through to get to the rare goodies.

Now fishing!  ...OK, yeah, that's pretty lame too.

The FF7 load trick was a godsend.  I'm not a fan of it either, I felt it was just a lot of time spent on something that took too much time.  Yeah the rewards are good, but...it's not fun.  Choco Hot Cold, on the other hand...

Anyways the semi-new FF15 trailer looked alright.  At least the hug big was cut down in length for more of Luna doing something..ish.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on September 20, 2015, 03:12:43 PM
I was being half-facetious with that post. Namely because I wouldn't put it past Squeenix to have given us XIII-2's Chocobo Breading versus VII's (VII's CB was fairly grindy too but the game basically told you what to do and the rewards were generally good enough to at least put in some effort; compared to XIII-2's unintuitive horsebirdshit loaded with invisible stats, forced resets all the way back to bush league, shit rewards and RNG bullshit).

Why are you being so dense about a side activity in FF? Is almost a tradition that most of them are either frustrating or a headache.

Choco Hot Cold, on the other hand...

Is alright. I rather catching frogs with Quina.
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Post by: mecharobot on September 20, 2015, 07:40:17 PM
I'm not sure if people actually like Hot&Cold or do they just merge it with treasure hunt on the world map which is around 50 times more fun and intuitive.
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Post by: Aeolus on September 20, 2015, 11:20:13 PM
I'm not sure if people actually like Hot&Cold or do they just merge it with treasure hunt on the world map which is around 50 times more fun and intuitive.

I think it takes getting to the Lagoon before Hot & Cold really starts to pay dividends, but the mechanics are simple and straightforward enough to get by before hand. It also doesn't require the time/gil investment that VII's Breading did or a Pocketstation that VIII's required (plus Triple Triad was the real gateway to power minigame in that game anyways) or hoping that the RNG plays nice with you in X (and XIII-2 is the only other game to tie a full minigame around Chocobos but it was a straight up worse version of VII's and also ass).
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Post by: Yggdrasil on September 21, 2015, 11:31:47 AM
I think it takes getting to the Lagoon before Hot & Cold really starts to pay dividends, but the mechanics are simple and straightforward enough to get by before hand. It also doesn't require the time/gil investment that VII's Breading did or a Pocketstation that VIII's required (plus Triple Triad was the real gateway to power minigame in that game anyways) or hoping that the RNG plays nice with you in X (and XIII-2 is the only other game to tie a full minigame around Chocobos but it was a straight up worse version of VII's and also ass).

I remember that a Silver Chocobo with a certain build always get you good results in XIII-2. If not most of the time.
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Post by: Dice on September 21, 2015, 02:21:24 PM
I think it takes getting to the Lagoon before Hot & Cold really starts to pay dividends, but the mechanics are simple and straightforward enough to get by before hand. It also doesn't require the time/gil investment that VII's Breading did or a Pocketstation that VIII's required (plus Triple Triad was the real gateway to power minigame in that game anyways) or hoping that the RNG plays nice with you in X (and XIII-2 is the only other game to tie a full minigame around Chocobos but it was a straight up worse version of VII's and also ass).

I remember that a Silver Chocobo with a certain build always get you good results in XIII-2. If not most of the time.

The only thing I remember about Chocos in 13-2 was the awesome rock-n-roll one (I know people are divisive on that, but given the more light-hearted nature of Chocobos I thought it was in very good humour) and tossing your moogle in the middle of nowhere to find one of the best Chocobo allies. x_X
#guidedangit
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Post by: Yggdrasil on September 21, 2015, 02:31:58 PM
XIII-2, in general, is super fun. Is a shame that so many FF fans are so elitists to even have fun with it. Lots of people liked it as much as I did while smartasses online where being dense about the game. Their loss.
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Post by: Arvis on September 21, 2015, 03:06:59 PM
XIII-2, in general, is super fun.

How can someone be this wrong?!  /salty

I have three words for you: COM/COM/COM
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Post by: Rucks on September 21, 2015, 03:14:39 PM
XIII-2, in general, is super fun. Is a shame that so many FF fans are so elitists to even have fun with it. Lots of people liked it as much as I did while smartasses online where being dense about the game. Their loss.

I'd love to agree with you more (Since I'm such a XIII apologist) I loved the gameplay, but I just couldn't handle Serah as a believable protag after what a weak and stereotypical "Damsel in distress" she played in the original.
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Post by: Dice on September 21, 2015, 03:20:26 PM
XIII-2, in general, is super fun. Is a shame that so many FF fans are so elitists to even have fun with it. Lots of people liked it as much as I did while smartasses online where being dense about the game. Their loss.

I'd love to agree with you more (Since I'm such a XIII apologist) I loved the gameplay, but I just couldn't handle Serah as a believable protag after what a weak and stereotypical "Damsel in distress" she played in the original.

Yeah I kinda felt more she was 'pretending to play the part' than actually being it.  That said though I thought she was pretty harmless, and  I thought 13-2 had an excellent and unexpected ending (especially compared to the super-high-note both 13-2 and LR end on)..
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Post by: Arvis on September 21, 2015, 03:34:47 PM
I just felt like the combat in XIII-2 was really dull compared to XIII.  They completely destroyed the balance, making cheese tactics easily viable.  Not only that, but the plot was ridiculous.  It was so convoluted that there wasn't any real point in TRYING to follow it.  Being told a story shouldn't be that much work.

Also: platforming in my Final Fantasy?  GTHO.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on September 21, 2015, 03:42:22 PM
^That's... what a self-called 'old school Final Fantasy fan' would get high levels of blood pressure about for years.

How can someone be this wrong?!  /salty

I have three words for you: COM/COM/COM

Cute post mate. 7/10. Might read again, thanks for making me giggle.
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Post by: Aeolus on September 21, 2015, 04:39:13 PM
I just felt like the combat in XIII-2 was really dull compared to XIII.  They completely destroyed the balance, making cheese tactics easily viable.  Not only that, but the plot was ridiculous.  It was so convoluted that there wasn't any real point in TRYING to follow it.  Being told a story shouldn't be that much work.

Also: platforming in my Final Fantasy?  GTHO.

The problem was that the writers really should've chose to either do comedy or drama and not both. Most of the first half of 13-2 was spent plucking tomatoes, punching giant robots in the face or shouting at that one guy across time and space because he was an idiot who rebuilt a robogod from the first game, but the rest of the game was the Noel Christ/Caius Ballad/Paddle Yuel power hour which sucked because they sucked and the game falls into the 'first half setup, second half explaining it in the most boring/awful/bullshit way possible' trap (in this case, ultimately boiled down to 'A Goddess did it'). Serah could've gotten by just by being a Mahou Shoujo and having Magical Time Traveling Adventures while this one immortal dragon guy is the antagonist solely because he's a colossally bored troll with literally nothing better to do than to troll Magical Time Traveling Adventurers. But instead, they basically redid XIII-1's endgame of having the party fight a dude they really shouldn't be fighting in a no-win scenario which drags everything from the first game down, only without the happy ending because they now want to do a third FFXIII (oh and Serah's only accomplishment was sucking and dying because she was basically just tagging along on Noel's adventure and because 'a Goddess did it'). For any of the drama to have worked, there really needed to be a reason to give any sort of fuck about anybody involved in this mess, but Snow was a glorified cameo and Hope was too busy being the Science Pope.

The gameplay portions were really boring too given the complete lack of a difficulty curve, boring ass fetch quests for junk and really infuriating level designs and the occasional puzzle quests (which all sucked for either being mind numbingly easy or being Clock Puzzles).
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Post by: divingfalcons on September 21, 2015, 04:53:44 PM
XIII-2, in general, is super fun. Is a shame that so many FF fans are so elitists to even have fun with it. Lots of people liked it as much as I did while smartasses online where being dense about the game. Their loss.

I'd love to agree with you more (Since I'm such a XIII apologist) I loved the gameplay, but I just couldn't handle Serah as a believable protag after what a weak and stereotypical "Damsel in distress" she played in the original.

Yeah I kinda felt more she was 'pretending to play the part' than actually being it.  That said though I thought she was pretty harmless, and  I thought 13-2 had an excellent and unexpected ending (especially compared to the super-high-note both 13-2 and LR end on)..

This basically sums up why I didn't play it beyond the demo. Plus I'm not a fan of the monster training aspect. I actually really enjoyed XIII. It's certainly a weak FF, but I liked playing it. Would I play it again? Probably not. Would I play the sequels in full? Probably not.

On a side note, there's still not enough to get me overly excited for XV, but from the little I have played of Episode Duscae, I'm enjoying it, and reserving myself.
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Post by: Arvis on September 21, 2015, 05:00:22 PM
^That's... what a self-called 'old school Final Fantasy fan' would get high levels of blood pressure about for years.

How can someone be this wrong?!  /salty

I have three words for you: COM/COM/COM

Cute post mate. 7/10. Might read again, thanks for making me giggle.

Any time.  :P

I DO enjoy both newer and classic Final Fantasy games.  In fact, XIII-2 is the ONLY Roman-numeraled FF that I actively dislike.  Because it's not a good game, you see.  I think the fact that many a podcaster said "XIII-2's not that bad actually!" when it came out made me hate it even more, because it was the worst Final Fantasy I had ever played.  If not for the mysterious goodwill XIII-2 has somehow garnered amongst general RPG players, I would probably just be indifferent toward it.  How people are blind to its myriad experience-destroying problems staggers the mind.

TL;DR - What Aeolus said.
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Post by: Dice on September 21, 2015, 09:35:30 PM
I DO enjoy both newer and classic Final Fantasy games.  In fact, XIII-2 is the ONLY Roman-numeraled FF that I actively dislike.  Because it's not a good game, you see.  I think the fact that many a podcaster said "XIII-2's not that bad actually!" when it came out made me hate it even more, because it was the worst Final Fantasy I had ever played.  If not for the mysterious goodwill XIII-2 has somehow garnered amongst general RPG players, I would probably just be indifferent toward it.  How people are blind to its myriad experience-destroying problems staggers the mind.

TL;DR - What Aeolus said.

Aeolus' sarcastic-truth synopses always get me in stitches. x)
I should request random titles from him to dissect from time to time.

I actually thought 13-2 was quite a bit of fun.  I liked the must more looser structure, and I just didn't pay any mind to the plot and I think I enjoyed it quite enough.  I agree with Aeolus about the story for the most part, but I did find Noel's 'bleak future' story pretty touching;  The music and graphics were as beautiful as ever. 

I doubt I think much else about the game beyond that though. 
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Post by: bigdeath on September 21, 2015, 10:28:41 PM
Funny, I really enjoyed FF13-2. I love the music, the gameplay, the time travel aspect. It was an easy game but very fun to play regardless. I even enjoy the story, especially the event triggers where you can select dialogue. Wish this was included in future FF games but I doubt it.

And no, I didn't mind the tonal shift between silly and serious in the game. Its not for everyone I guess? As for Sarah being protagonist, actually, I always hoped she would be playable in FF13 so I was excited to play her in the sequel.

Then again, I loved snow in FF13 so apparently I'm insane. :(


How can someone be this wrong?!  /salty

I have three words for you: COM/COM/COM

Err, is that suppose to be a bad thing?
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Post by: IhaveFURY on September 22, 2015, 10:45:00 PM
I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I quite enjoyed Lightning Returns.

*runs*
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Post by: Agent D. on September 23, 2015, 08:35:38 AM
XIII-2 was far less terrible than XIII. I actually platinumed it, which makes it the only other platinum trophy I have (the first being tekken 6). Plus it had a great soundtrack. I won't ever play Lightning returns unless it goes up on ps+ as a freebie, and even then....too much shit to play as it is.

Honestly though, the XIII series is just bad. It's a clear example of what happens when graphics and designs take control over story and gameplay. In my opinion every rpg developer should make their battle system first with stuck figures or empty polygon models, and see how engrossing (or at least not mind numbingly boring) it is. Then story, no character designs yet. Finally, give the characters a physical design and put the whole thing together. I feel like the chances of making a shitfest would be much lower doing this... but then again today's populace would generally aim to hate first and accept much later when the company declares they're exiting the game scene. Ever notice how everyone always bitches and whines about something, but as soon as it's gone, they cry and yearn for its return? You just can't please anyone today.
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Post by: divingfalcons on September 23, 2015, 09:01:06 AM
I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I quite enjoyed Lightning Returns.

*runs*

I'd love to know why? People either hate it or say it's the best of the three. I think the time limit puts me off a bit.

XIII-2 was far less terrible than XIII. I actually platinumed it, which makes it the only other platinum trophy I have (the first being tekken 6). Plus it had a great soundtrack. I won't ever play Lightning returns unless it goes up on ps+ as a freebie, and even then....too much shit to play as it is.

Honestly though, the XIII series is just bad. It's a clear example of what happens when graphics and designs take control over story and gameplay. In my opinion every rpg developer should make their battle system first with stuck figures or empty polygon models, and see how engrossing (or at least not mind numbingly boring) it is. Then story, no character designs yet. Finally, give the characters a physical design and put the whole thing together. I feel like the chances of making a shitfest would be much lower doing this... but then again today's populace would generally aim to hate first and accept much later when the company declares they're exiting the game scene. Ever notice how everyone always bitches and whines about something, but as soon as it's gone, they cry and yearn for its return? You just can't please anyone today.

Totally agree. Battle system first all the way. I can live with a bad story/bad characters if the battle system is top notch. Star Ocean 4 for example. But the battle system is the core and should be what developers start with.
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Post by: Arvis on September 23, 2015, 09:16:16 AM
But..... the battle system in XIII-2 is one of the worst things about it.  It's all cheese, no strategy.  It's... mindless.  XIII at least had a perfectly balanced system: each battle required some thought, but also most "unorthodox" Paradigms could still work in battles.  In XIII-2, enemies die in seconds, making any Paradigms outside of the usual "do damage" ones mostly useless.  And the monster-catching is both uninspired and uninspiring.

That being said, I made it all the way to the end of the game, so it does some things right (music being the obvious one), but.... it's mostly an example of what NOT to do with a Final Fantasy game.

How so many people are cool with XIII-2 but hate X-2 makes my heart hurt.
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Post by: IhaveFURY on September 23, 2015, 09:33:36 AM
I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I quite enjoyed Lightning Returns.

*runs*

I'd love to know why? People either hate it or say it's the best of the three. I think the time limit puts me off a bit.


I dunno, objectively I can't really say that it was a great game, but I enjoyed the open-world structure and the combat was hella fun. Kind of a mix of the Dresspheres from X-2 (which, IMO, was the only redeemable part of that game other than 1000 Words) and the Paradigm shifts. The story might almost be the worst of the three (it would have been more interesting as an FF side game rather than a XIII spinoff), but I liked it overall.

The funny thing about the time limit is that it's basically inconsequential. Lightning gets an ability relatively early on that lets her freeze time for a few minutes but still go about game progression normally. Since you refill your gauge thingy after one or two battles, it's quite possible to constantly use this ability and not have to worry about the time limit at all. I found myself having half a day's worth of time to spare to just dick around and do sidequests.
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Post by: divingfalcons on September 23, 2015, 10:53:22 AM
Ahh, thanks. I think I'm just taking it at face value by looking at the XIII bit. It has always sounded more interesting than XIII-2 though. The multiple outfits are what caught my interest when it first came out. If it's ever stupidly cheap I may just pick it up...
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Post by: Agent D. on September 23, 2015, 11:11:54 AM
How so many people are cool with XIII-2 but hate X-2 makes my heart hurt.
Easy there, X-2 was a great game marred only by the fact that it could also be dubbed Barbie Adventure Island. Its battle system was astounding, arguably one of the best in the series. My only real downer in the game was continuing X meant that the ending and what happens to Tidus was a waste. X had a really sad ending all things considered, and not enough games really try to capture that kind of heart rending painful end. One of the reasons I liked XIII-2...that ending just kicked you in the teeth.
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Post by: Annubis on September 23, 2015, 11:18:52 AM
X-2 was also pretty grindy since AP (right? The dressphere points) was way too low from normal encounters.
You could get special encounters sometimes that give you like double average but that was still low.

They should have either scaled AP with the strength of the enemy (it's static through the whole game pretty much) or spread out some AP 'goldmine' enemies here and there.
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Post by: Aeolus on September 23, 2015, 03:42:31 PM
But..... the battle system in XIII-2 is one of the worst things about it.  It's all cheese, no strategy.  It's... mindless.  XIII at least had a perfectly balanced system: each battle required some thought, but also most "unorthodox" Paradigms could still work in battles.  In XIII-2, enemies die in seconds, making any Paradigms outside of the usual "do damage" ones mostly useless.  And the monster-catching is both uninspired and uninspiring.

That being said, I made it all the way to the end of the game, so it does some things right (music being the obvious one), but.... it's mostly an example of what NOT to do with a Final Fantasy game.

How so many people are cool with XIII-2 but hate X-2 makes my heart hurt.

In all fairness, no FF game has ever had a good combat system. You're either fighting with archaic/grindy bullshit (like the NES/Famicom era FFs), rigidly constrained in your options to the point of essentially not having any (FFs IV and XIII-1 mostly; with OG X as a close runner up; International X gives you a little bit too much leeway to fit into this camp) or are babby sleepwalk mode from start to finish (FFs VI-VIII). The Job systems of V, Tactics and X-2 sorta give you something to do on the side, but can also turn into huge grindfests if you try to go for everything, and their difficulty curves break like a dried out twig if you know what you're doing.

FFXIII-2 basically falls into the latter two camps of being for babbies easy modo to start with on top of folding over in on itself if you employ anything resembling pro-strats (they tried to balance it out by making all the loot and stuff mostly worthless, but that just served to undermine the sidequests of XIII-2).

FF IX is another oddity in that for the most part, you're heavily constrained by the plot, but there's just enough options available that you can still break the game over your knee at the drop of a hat with any sort of mechanical foreknowledge by stacking damage multipliers and abusing Regen's mechanics. The real difficulty though is not giving in to the temptation to spend 3 hours trying to steal that one item from a boss that you can end in less than 30 secs if you weren't trying to take everything short of the shirt off their backs.
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Post by: Alisha on September 24, 2015, 05:45:23 PM
too me the problem with X-2 is that X exists. i could never get passed the fact that they took turn based perfection and butchered it. they also butchered blitzball. similarly lightning not being playable hurt 13-2 to me.
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Post by: Klutz64 on September 24, 2015, 06:04:48 PM
they also butchered blitzball.

Truth.

I know some people didn't like it to begin with, but I had fun with it in the original.
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Post by: divingfalcons on September 24, 2015, 06:54:35 PM
I loved blitzball in X. It wasn't perfect but it was fun. Don't remind me about blitzball in X-2, though...
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Post by: Dice on September 24, 2015, 08:15:00 PM
I loved blitzball in X. It wasn't perfect but it was fun. Don't remind me about blitzball in X-2, though...

I loved Core Break or whatever after I finally got the hang of it (speaking of, the person who did instructions for the minigames in X-2 was awful).
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Post by: Agent D. on September 24, 2015, 08:31:41 PM
Blitzball in X was basically

:Did you get Jechshot?
Yes--Blitzball is pretty good
No--Blitzball is fucking terrible

:Do you want Wakka's ultimate weapon
No--Blitzball isn't too bad overall
Yes--FUCK BLITZBALL OMFG FUCK BLITZBALL
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Post by: Arvis on September 25, 2015, 10:31:36 AM
Blitzball in X was basically

:Did you get Jechshot?
Yes--Blitzball is pretty good
No--Blitzball is fucking terrible

:Do you want Wakka's ultimate weapon
No--Blitzball isn't too bad overall
Yes--FUCK BLITZBALL OMFG FUCK BLITZBALL

First time I ever played X, I did not get Jecht Shot, I DID get Wakka's ultimate weapon, and I loved Blitzball.  In fact, Wakka's Ultimate was the ONLY one I got before I beat the game.  It just happened naturally, because I loved Blitzball so much.  I got/activated all the other ultimate weapons (except Kimahri's, stupid butterflies) after I beat it once.
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Post by: divingfalcons on September 25, 2015, 11:38:52 AM
The butterflies aren't even the worst. Those damn lighting strikes...
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Post by: Agent D. on September 25, 2015, 12:48:20 PM
Blitzball in X was basically

:Did you get Jechshot?
Yes--Blitzball is pretty good
No--Blitzball is fucking terrible

:Do you want Wakka's ultimate weapon
No--Blitzball isn't too bad overall
Yes--FUCK BLITZBALL OMFG FUCK BLITZBALL

First time I ever played X, I did not get Jecht Shot, I DID get Wakka's ultimate weapon, and I loved Blitzball.  In fact, Wakka's Ultimate was the ONLY one I got before I beat the game.  It just happened naturally, because I loved Blitzball so much.  I got/activated all the other ultimate weapons (except Kimahri's, stupid butterflies) after I beat it once.
I don't usually call someone out, but either you're a masochist or I call bullshit.
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Post by: Arvis on September 25, 2015, 04:01:33 PM
Blitzball in X was basically

:Did you get Jechshot?
Yes--Blitzball is pretty good
No--Blitzball is fucking terrible

:Do you want Wakka's ultimate weapon
No--Blitzball isn't too bad overall
Yes--FUCK BLITZBALL OMFG FUCK BLITZBALL

First time I ever played X, I did not get Jecht Shot, I DID get Wakka's ultimate weapon, and I loved Blitzball.  In fact, Wakka's Ultimate was the ONLY one I got before I beat the game.  It just happened naturally, because I loved Blitzball so much.  I got/activated all the other ultimate weapons (except Kimahri's, stupid butterflies) after I beat it once.
I don't usually call someone out, but either you're a masochist or I call bullshit.

Or perhaps I was a bored teenager with nothing better to do?  I even liked level-grinding, back then.  I probably should have mentioned that....


The butterflies aren't even the worst. Those damn lighting strikes...

The lightning was absolute CAKE compared to the butterflies.
Lightning = accomplished on second try.
Butterflies = never successfully accomplished ever in my entire life.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Frostillicus on September 25, 2015, 04:08:19 PM
Blitzball in X was basically

:Did you get Jechshot?
Yes--Blitzball is pretty good
No--Blitzball is fucking terrible

:Do you want Wakka's ultimate weapon
No--Blitzball isn't too bad overall
Yes--FUCK BLITZBALL OMFG FUCK BLITZBALL

First time I ever played X, I did not get Jecht Shot, I DID get Wakka's ultimate weapon, and I loved Blitzball.  In fact, Wakka's Ultimate was the ONLY one I got before I beat the game.  It just happened naturally, because I loved Blitzball so much.  I got/activated all the other ultimate weapons (except Kimahri's, stupid butterflies) after I beat it once.
I don't usually call someone out, but either you're a masochist or I call bullshit.

Or perhaps I was a bored teenager with nothing better to do?  I even liked level-grinding, back then.  I probably should have mentioned that....

I believe it. My teenage years was when I had nothing better to do than shit like grind to level 99 through Ice Pup/Mongrel slaughter in Lunar 2.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Annubis on September 25, 2015, 04:12:16 PM
I believe it. My teenage years was when I had nothing better to do than shit like grind to level 99 through Ice Pup/Mongrel slaughter in Lunar 2.

I grinded to "Time Gate" on Feena in Grandia 1 in my teenage years.
I clearly had nothing to do.

Years of MMORPGs have made me a lot less resilient to grinding than I used to be though.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: divingfalcons on September 25, 2015, 04:21:21 PM
Blitzball in X was basically

:Did you get Jechshot?
Yes--Blitzball is pretty good
No--Blitzball is fucking terrible

:Do you want Wakka's ultimate weapon
No--Blitzball isn't too bad overall
Yes--FUCK BLITZBALL OMFG FUCK BLITZBALL

First time I ever played X, I did not get Jecht Shot, I DID get Wakka's ultimate weapon, and I loved Blitzball.  In fact, Wakka's Ultimate was the ONLY one I got before I beat the game.  It just happened naturally, because I loved Blitzball so much.  I got/activated all the other ultimate weapons (except Kimahri's, stupid butterflies) after I beat it once.
I don't usually call someone out, but either you're a masochist or I call bullshit.

Or perhaps I was a bored teenager with nothing better to do?  I even liked level-grinding, back then.  I probably should have mentioned that....


The butterflies aren't even the worst. Those damn lighting strikes...

The lightning was absolute CAKE compared to the butterflies.
Lightning = accomplished on second try.
Butterflies = never successfully accomplished ever in my entire life.

My attention span doesn't hold out long enough for 200 lightning strikes. Luckily, I have done both, but both took me a good handful of tries.

It's not too bad, though, because I barely used Kimahri, and all other summons but Yojimbo, Anima, and the Magus Sisters are redundant at this point. I had to do it for completion's sake. It would've eaten me up had I left one of he celestial weapons.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 25, 2015, 04:27:59 PM
Blitzball in X was basically

:Did you get Jechshot?
Yes--Blitzball is pretty good
No--Blitzball is fucking terrible

:Do you want Wakka's ultimate weapon
No--Blitzball isn't too bad overall
Yes--FUCK BLITZBALL OMFG FUCK BLITZBALL

First time I ever played X, I did not get Jecht Shot, I DID get Wakka's ultimate weapon, and I loved Blitzball.  In fact, Wakka's Ultimate was the ONLY one I got before I beat the game.  It just happened naturally, because I loved Blitzball so much.  I got/activated all the other ultimate weapons (except Kimahri's, stupid butterflies) after I beat it once.
I don't usually call someone out, but either you're a masochist or I call bullshit.

Or perhaps I was a bored teenager with nothing better to do?  I even liked level-grinding, back then.  I probably should have mentioned that....


The butterflies aren't even the worst. Those damn lighting strikes...

The lightning was absolute CAKE compared to the butterflies.
Lightning = accomplished on second try.
Butterflies = never successfully accomplished ever in my entire life.

Quote train!

I can never really pick which I hated most, I hated most of the mini-games in X on some level.
Lightning -- Easy enough if you manipulate where lightning strikes, but I'll admit my eyes were pretty worn out (I turn on all the lights and wore sunglasses to do it)
Butterflies -- It's short and easy to redo, but fucking it up is easy even when you know the path.
Chocobo -- Part skill, part getting lucky with the RNG putting balloons on a good path and getting more gulls to hit your opponent; it takes like half an hour to get good, but it could take another hour before a good track happens (BONUS: Baaj Temple's mini-race is shitty too)
Desert -- I honestly don't remember, so I guess it's easy?
Blitzball -- Easy with the right players, but it takes foooorreeevverrrr (fucking Ronso team).
Arena -- Easy, but doing a world tour kinda stinks.
Remiem/Summons -- Only bad on International/HD if you forgot some summons and might have to face a Dark Aeon

Ah well

"Lulu, you ave come so far, here's is our strongest weapon..."
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/f/fd/Doll-OnionKnight-ffx.png/revision/latest?cb=20111002142521)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on September 25, 2015, 04:49:23 PM
Actually, Rikku's required the Airship and the appropriate coordinates (one of which was literally 'GODHAND'), though the Crest/Sigil was probably in the desert.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: divingfalcons on September 25, 2015, 04:53:53 PM
Yep, the lightning manipulation trick is how I did it in the end. And Godhand is the actual family quest, which is pretty easy.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 26, 2015, 03:51:58 AM
I pity the fool who puts time into FFX's minigames. Tidus getting Blitzbombed in X-2.5 though... 10/10 moment.

gg Nojima.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on September 30, 2015, 12:57:48 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/09/30/final-fantasy-xv-changes-up-its-weapon-switching-system/
More battle retooling.  Definitely prefer this change here
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: divingfalcons on September 30, 2015, 03:28:49 PM
That does sound a hell of a lot better. It's just easier in active combat to switch during rather than plan ahead.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: pseudonym on October 01, 2015, 10:52:04 AM
I pity the fool who puts time into FFX's minigames. Tidus getting Blitzbombed in X-2.5 though... 10/10 moment.

gg Nojima.

As you get older, there is less of it.

I believe that's why I don't like tedious side-quests: they are waste of time. If they were more fulfilling or if they added more depth to a character or the story, then I would like enjoy them more. Either that or limit the tediousness of the side-quest by making it shorter. Certain games are better at integrating the story/characters in the side-quest than others. FFX is not one of them.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on October 02, 2015, 12:26:06 PM
i own type 0 but have yet to try this demo but maybe i can put aside my sausage fest annoyance for a an hour and try it.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on October 03, 2015, 08:34:57 AM
well the demo has seemingly dissapeared from my ps4,wtf???
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 03, 2015, 12:08:45 PM
@pseudonym: More than whatever priorities the player might have, the issue with a few of X's side-quests is how uneven the design/structure is when the main journey in X is, for the most part, as solid as it is.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Alisha on October 10, 2015, 04:02:54 PM
i tried the demo it seems pretty good but seems a little too button mashy(i wish the square an triangle attacks were more fluid like a dynasty warriors game). the cross link thing doesnt happen often enough to break up the monotony of the button mashing. i also hope the final game has other ways to trigger summons than falling to 0 hp or you exactly whats gonna happen.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on October 26, 2015, 12:09:03 PM
"Why black?"
"Because they're various government and military uniforms that--"
"But why black?"
"Well in the kingdom of Lucis black has a significance--"
"BUT WHY BLACK?"
"It's part of the lore--"
"BUT. WHY. BLACK!?"

Designers have a habit of answering design-related questions with answers that have nothing to do with design.

reference:
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2015/3989.html
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: mecharobot on October 26, 2015, 01:04:56 PM
It's better that they answer like that. People would flip if they said "because we want to do it like this, so shut up". Stupid questions deserve nothing more than stupid answers.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Dice on October 26, 2015, 01:44:41 PM
I'd have really preferred colour SOME colour myself.  A bit of a shame because the designs totally work, but the all black looks so...goofy.

....and no, the red on the soles of their shoes don't count. x)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 26, 2015, 11:47:38 PM
Final Fantasy XV team discussing localization issues internally following fan complaints (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2015/10/final-fantasy-xv-team-discussing-localization-issues-internally-following-fan-complaints/) -- Nova Crystallis

all black looks so...goofy.

Metalheads and goths would like to have a word with you.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: insertnamehere on November 04, 2015, 11:24:22 PM
i tried the demo it seems pretty good but seems a little too button mashy(i wish the square an triangle attacks were more fluid like a dynasty warriors game). the cross link thing doesnt happen often enough to break up the monotony of the button mashing. i also hope the final game has other ways to trigger summons than falling to 0 hp or you exactly whats gonna happen.

This is a late reply but oh well, the idea behind the combat (ironically the least button mashy action RPG battle system probably in a long time) is don't button mash, just lock on (with L1 and R3, iirc) and hold down the square button.
Noctis should keep attacking for at least 10 or so hits before the combo ends, and they also already said they plan to implement other ways to summon.

And btw, you guys recently posted a news article that included info about Mesmerize, and that hopefully their horns falling off and dropping as an item carries over, I found one in the demo and beat it, I got the horn but this was several weeks ago so I don't have a screenshot.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 09, 2015, 03:33:09 PM
[DEVELOPMENT INFO] ABOUT FINAL FANTASY XV PRE-BETA (https://forum.finalfantasyxv.com/discussion/816/development-info-about-ffxv-pre-beta) -- Final Fantasy XV's Official Forums

---

from Nova Crystallis (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2015/12/final-fantasy-xvs-cross-link-system-has-been-overhauled-for-the-final-release/):

(http://i.imgur.com/j3lApSZ.png)

Final fantasy XV's Cross-Link system – pictured above and featured prominently in Episode Duscae 2.0 with a yellow circle – has been overhauled, in a new message listed and unofficially translated over on the game's official forums (https://forum.finalfantasyxv.com/discussion/843/unofficial-translation-dev-team-answers-questions-about-cross-link) in response to Japanese fan questions.

According to Game Design Section Manager Ken'ichi Shida, "The cross-link tempo has been improved from the demo, and execution is now more nimble. Ways of triggering the Cross-Link are different from the demo and have improved. The cross-link system was overhauled for the purposes of the finalized version's release.

In addition, "Slash Link" coordination, as well as a hitherto unannounced system, exists, and these are triggered under different conditions from Cross-Link. These link systems are the bread and butter of XV's friend co-op party battles, so the development team will be polishing these systems up until the moment that the finalized version of the game is released."

Final Fantasy XV is set to release in 2016 with a final release date scheduled to be revealed at an event in March.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: insertnamehere on December 17, 2015, 07:37:46 PM
Squeenix made a survey asking people if they'd prioritize P5 or FF15 if they had a simultaneous release.
And battle lines were drawn? (http://www.hardcoregamer.com/2015/12/17/possible-persona-5-and-final-fantasy-xv-simultaneous-release-date/183044/)
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Klutz64 on December 17, 2015, 07:46:44 PM
Persona 5 all the way, but then I don't plan on getting Final Fantasy XV until there are plenty of impressions to refer to in deciding if it's even worth my time.
Title: Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality.
Post by: Aeolus on December 17, 2015, 08:51:12 PM
Squeenix made a survey asking people if they'd prioritiz