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Title: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on March 28, 2014, 06:22:36 AM
So the demo is out now, and I just discovered that there is no thread for this game! I'm still early (I think?) in the demo as I am about to enter the first dungeon. I am loving this game so far. Mostly because I am finding it hilarious. Gameplay seems decent, but that the fact that this game is getting a U.S. release still makes me chuckle. Plus it has glorious lines such as "Thank you for giving me permission to make children with your sister." If the rest of the game is like this then, GOTY for me already.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Kevadu on March 28, 2014, 06:34:02 AM
So campy but fun?  I really should check this out...I tried the Japanese demo of the first game back in the day and it did not impress me.  But everything I've heard seems to indicate that Conception II is a significant improvement, at least in the gameplay department.  And I don't mind cheesy plots if the game is fun...
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: solidbatman on March 28, 2014, 10:18:51 AM
I pre-ordered this game as soon as it became available. I'm a sucker for these trashy type of games (Neptunia) so I was at least mildly surprised that I enjoyed the demo. It might be a fun, change of pace game for me.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Klutz64 on March 28, 2014, 11:00:59 AM
I wasn't too interested in the game, and I played some of the demo which did nothing to change my mind. Which on the surface looks kind of odd since I'm looking forward to Monster Monpiece of all things, but then I'm a sucker for CCG's of the "Monster Girl" variety (my current iOS obsession is 'Divine Girls')
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on March 28, 2014, 01:26:20 PM
I beat the Vita demo, took a few hours.  I'm hype as hell for this game :D

downloaded the 3DS one too cause I hear it's different.  haven't tried yet
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on March 28, 2014, 02:04:42 PM
I'll admit this one has the corner of my eye simply because anything with a Class-System gets a free pass for certain other faults. Curious though. How easy or hard is it to get the class/gender combination of child you want? Is it something you can choose freely or do you have to play Russian roulette every time you make a kid?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Annubis on March 28, 2014, 02:15:37 PM
I remember reading somewhere that the class is decided by which girl you 'conceive' with.
So that's one thing you can choose for sure.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on March 28, 2014, 03:29:22 PM
Yeah you can pick the class but I think the sex is random
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: siveon on March 28, 2014, 07:08:02 PM
I really enjoy class based games, it's really the reason why my favorite Final Fantasy's are the one no-one likes. i.e: FFV, or FFIII.

But, damn this game is such a bore in the demo. I haven't finished it yet, but so far I am underwhelmed. The combat seems to be OK, but the story is just boring. So, boring. The voice acting doesn't help either. Hopefully after that they'll barely talk and I'll just dungeon crawl with the weird baby things.

Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on March 28, 2014, 07:12:31 PM
I really enjoy class based games, it's really the reason why my favorite Final Fantasy's are the one no-one likes. i.e: FFV, or FFIII.
Bravely Default better be on that list.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: siveon on March 28, 2014, 07:27:57 PM
I really enjoy class based games, it's really the reason why my favorite Final Fantasy's are the one no-one likes. i.e: FFV, or FFIII.
Bravely Default better be on that list.

I actually don't like BD that much.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Deufo on March 28, 2014, 09:24:15 PM
Played the demo for Vita. I was looking forward to buy it on release, but the voice acting is so horrible that i will most likely only buy this game when there's some HUGE discount. It seems Atlus does not want my money. Is there a reason Atlus does not include dual-audio on their games? It's like they don't know their own niche.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: MeshGearFox on March 28, 2014, 09:37:53 PM
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Is there a reason Atlus does not include dual-audio on their games?

Can't you just turn the voice acting off if it bugs you that much? People seriously care that much about voice acting?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on March 28, 2014, 09:47:16 PM
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Is there a reason Atlus does not include dual-audio on their games?

Can't you just turn the voice acting off if it bugs you that much? People seriously care that much about voice acting?
They like hearing otherwise gibberish they don't understand over their PROUD LANGUAGE OF THEIR NATION OF BIRTH.

Also, this isn't an Atlus game. They're publishing it.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: MeshGearFox on March 28, 2014, 09:49:26 PM
Don't Japanese voice tracks entail licensing shenanigans?

Also aren't voice tracks larghueg and possibly impacting downloadable release?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on March 28, 2014, 09:52:06 PM
Don't Japanese voice tracks entail licensing shenanigans?

Also aren't voice tracks larghueg and possibly impacting downloadable release?
Either is a reason, probably. I don't know much, but I did hear that Japanese VAs have a say in the matter. Probably why it's impossible for us to watch Japanese dubbed anime on television because that means we're listening to their voices across the sea.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Deufo on March 28, 2014, 09:57:34 PM
For me, it's important for immersion, specially in an anime-esque RPG. When the voices are good, then it's not much of a deal (it does not add a huge value to the game), but when it's bad, the "flow" of the game is broken every time i'm immersed in story or gameplay and have to hear that out-of-place voice, so it's a big minus for me.

Regarding turning the voices off... perhaps that can be a solution. I'll still feel like something is wrong, but it can make it playable.
Regarding gibberish, i understand almost all of spoken japanese (but can't read kanji).
Regarding the proud language of nation of birth joke, English is not my first language, so it does not apply.

Those seem like good reasons, but i can't help but feel that Atlus is losing a portion of possible buyers.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Kevadu on March 28, 2014, 10:16:39 PM
Also, this isn't an Atlus game. They're publishing it.

Atlus is localizing it so blaming them for the lack of dual-audio is 100% appropriate.


Either is a reason, probably. I don't know much, but I did hear that Japanese VAs have a say in the matter. Probably why it's impossible for us to watch Japanese dubbed anime on television because that means we're listening to their voices across the sea.

No, it's hard to find Japanese-audio anime on TV because TV execs target the lowest common denominator and don't think there's a market for it.  And TV broadcasts generally don't have options for multiple audio tracks so it's not like you can do both.  Services like Crunchyroll legally stream Japanese-audio anime over the web all the time.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on March 28, 2014, 10:21:22 PM
Atlus has been doing this for a long time now.  Other companies do dual audio or JP voice only but Atlus published stuff is almost always dub only.  That's just how they do it :P
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Eusis on March 28, 2014, 10:31:36 PM
Atlus has gone for dual audio in the past, I just suspect it's usually a matter of how convenient it is, and they have a lower threshold possibly than other publishers. Or their choices are always the biggest pains in the ass to get dual audio into for some reason, while Atlus in Japan may well not care to work out such deals for most of their own games (and they one time they did they region locked it.)

EDIT: Wait no, there were TWO instances, but the other one, Dragon's Crown, is more like a pseudo exception rather than a proper one. But that narrator is awesome so who cares.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: solidbatman on March 28, 2014, 10:41:27 PM
Don't Japanese voice tracks entail licensing shenanigans?

Also aren't voice tracks larghueg and possibly impacting downloadable release?

Yeah, including JP voice acting can sometimes cost more and be more complicated than just recording the lines themselves. I think I remember reading something from Xseed talking about it.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: MeshGearFox on March 28, 2014, 11:34:20 PM
How do you know the Japanese dub of Conception II is any good, anyway?

I mean apparently the Japanese dub of the DDS games was /way/ worse than the English ones.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Eusis on March 29, 2014, 10:48:25 AM
How do you know the Japanese dub of Conception II is any good, anyway?

I mean apparently the Japanese dub of the DDS games was /way/ worse than the English ones.

For some games it's just nicer to not actually understand what they're saying.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: MeshGearFox on April 01, 2014, 08:27:43 PM
Watching someone play the demo on Vine. This looks stupid as hell.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: solidbatman on April 01, 2014, 08:43:48 PM
Watching someone play the demo on Vine. This looks stupid as hell.

How do you watch a demo of something on Vine? It's literally 7 seconds of viewing. And secondly, why the hell would anyone use Vine? :p

But yeah, my take on the demo is that it is stupid, but in a good way.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Dice on April 01, 2014, 10:09:21 PM
Watching someone play the demo on Vine. This looks stupid as hell.

How do you watch a demo of something on Vine? It's literally 7 seconds of viewing. And secondly, why the hell would anyone use Vine? :p

But yeah, my take on the demo is that it is stupid, but in a good way.

That's just the rush-rush state of our world, Solid.  You can't capture my curiosity in 7 seconds, it's dead to me.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 02, 2014, 06:41:47 AM
Watching someone play the demo on Vine. This looks stupid as hell.
Exactly, isn't it glorious?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: deathsaber on April 02, 2014, 03:19:09 PM
This demo has me day one, hook line and sinker.  I guess I'm part of the trashy contingent, too.  (In contrast, Bravely Default bored me to tears)

The best friend worrying about you "classmating" with his sister and then giving his blessing for you have children with her in the same conversation, had me in.  Its funny how they alude to having sex with multiple girls to have as many "world saving" babies as possible, when you actually are just holding hands with a girl above a magical vase thing and then a magical pokemon party member kid thing pops out of the vase.  But the actual "conception" cutscene and that song that plays during the "coupling".  LOL

I haven't played anything this outwardly nuts since Sakura Wars: Goodbye my Love on Wii.  I love it.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: MeshGearFox on April 02, 2014, 07:15:15 PM
I meant more that I found the endless dialogue and shapetweening abuse super offputting.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Spoony Mage on April 03, 2014, 06:51:49 AM
Played the 3DS demo and actually enjoyed it, even though it was a glorified tutorial that just barely gave you a dip into the pool.  Preordered it as soon as I was done.

I guess I'm weird in that I actually enjoyed the English voices.  The dialogue in games like these are usually going to be excessively campy, though that's not always the case, so I just roll with it.  That usually helps in games like this unless I find the acting really terribad. 

I'm still wondering if each of the girls have their own story or endings, or if they're just fun little archetypes to make babies with and save the world, though.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 03, 2014, 07:09:27 AM
Played the 3DS demo and actually enjoyed it, even though it was a glorified tutorial that just barely gave you a dip into the pool.  Preordered it as soon as I was done.

I guess I'm weird in that I actually enjoyed the English voices.  The dialogue in games like these are usually going to be excessively campy, though that's not always the case, so I just roll with it.  That usually helps in games like this unless I find the acting really terribad. 

I'm still wondering if each of the girls have their own story or endings, or if they're just fun little archetypes to make babies with and save the world, though.
Based off of my use of Google translate, it appears that there are 9 endings with trophies for the game, including 7 character endings, a normal end, and....if you are familiar with this type of game you can guess ending number 9.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Spoony Mage on April 03, 2014, 10:14:04 AM
Based off of my use of Google translate, it appears that there are 9 endings with trophies for the game, including 7 character endings, a normal end, and....if you are familiar with this type of game you can guess ending number 9.
Thanks, that is encouraging.  I've found myself liking a few of the girls based on Atlus' introductions and the demo, though there isn't anyone i particularly dislike, either.

I wonder if ending number 9 would be a "Sad" forever alone ending, or a "Nice Boat" ending...
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: deathsaber on April 03, 2014, 11:08:59 AM
The battle system is interesting, still trying to feel that one out for how its balance will work- the game seems to encourage having "releations" with all the heroines, monogamy be damned. 

That said, it also appears that whatever heroine you take into the dungeons (and you can only take one) heavily influences things- you take on the elemental atribute of the heroine- and kids born from the gal perform better when she is along.  The heroine also seems to influence which classes would best come from her - (a strenth based heroine would produce good physical attackers, magic based heroine would produce better mage kids).  These factors seem to encourage sticking with the same heroine and her, um, kids. 

but of course, if you were facing a water boss, you sure as heck don't want the fire heroine in your party making you incredibly weak to the enemies attacks, so I guess thats how they encourage enjoying the whole herem.  heh. 

Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Dice on April 03, 2014, 04:56:58 PM
THey should call it Conception: The Second Story.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 04, 2014, 06:27:22 AM
Based off of my use of Google translate, it appears that there are 9 endings with trophies for the game, including 7 character endings, a normal end, and....if you are familiar with this type of game you can guess ending number 9.
Thanks, that is encouraging.  I've found myself liking a few of the girls based on Atlus' introductions and the demo, though there isn't anyone i particularly dislike, either.

I wonder if ending number 9 would be a "Sad" forever alone ending, or a "Nice Boat" ending...
Good guesses, but too depressing for this game (although depending on your definition of "sad," normal might be the same as that). Eh, I'll just give the answer.

Code: [Select]
Harem
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Spoony Mage on April 07, 2014, 10:54:34 AM

Good guesses, but too depressing for this game (although depending on your definition of "sad," normal might be the same as that). Eh, I'll just give the answer.

Code: [Select]
Harem

Huh.  Not what I would have expected, to be honest.  Not that the option is unwelcome...
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 08, 2014, 07:03:11 AM
Huh.  Not what I would have expected, to be honest.  Not that the option is unwelcome...

O.o Really? I'm curious as to why you wouldn't expect it. Considering the tone of the game, seemed like it was almost a forgone conclusion it would have that as an ending.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Spoony Mage on April 08, 2014, 10:33:45 AM
A lot of games I've played with multiple options on who I can end up with generally tends to lack a harem ending, or at least are so well hidden that I never managed it.  Granted I haven't played many so I'm sure I'm missing out on quite a bit.

Thinking about it now, I agree that a harem ending wouldn't be out of place considering you have to make each of the girls happy to create good units anyway.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Annubis on April 08, 2014, 03:37:46 PM
Part of me wants to send tons of visual novels, dating sims and eroges to Spoony Mage.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Spoony Mage on April 08, 2014, 04:17:43 PM
I wouldn't say no, though who knows when I'd actually get around to playing them.  :P

Anyone decided on who they'll go after first, based on the introductions and demo playthrough?  I'm thinking Fuuko, myself.  Not sure why besides the fact that she just seems so charmingly normal (relatively speaking, of course).  I guess I'm weird that I go for either the normal girls or the crazy ones (bonus points if they end up being both).
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 08, 2014, 04:26:03 PM
Depends on which element has the most appeal once the game gets rolling. Haven't touched the demo so this is just based on website profiles.

If character personality (based on their synopsis) wins out: Probably Torri.
If character design (for better looking kids) wins out: Probably Fuuko.
If who has the coolest looking weapon/armor combo wins out: Probably Feene. (Narika would be a close second but bust-focused designs annoy me.)

____________

Huh...just looked over the Main Character's art stills on the site...

Anyone else think he looks more like a villain?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Kevadu on April 08, 2014, 04:30:48 PM
Part of me wants to send tons of visual novels, dating sims and eroges to Spoony Mage.

You know that the vast majority of visual novels and dating sims do not have a harem end option, right?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Annubis on April 08, 2014, 05:33:31 PM
Part of me wants to send tons of visual novels, dating sims and eroges to Spoony Mage.

You know that the vast majority of visual novels and dating sims do not have a harem end option, right?

Not the ones I play =D
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go back and be a space detective with my 2 A.I. waifus.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 08, 2014, 06:26:39 PM
2 waifus does not a harem make
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Annubis on April 08, 2014, 07:36:54 PM
2 waifus does not a harem make

Even if the 'path' is called the harem path?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 09, 2014, 06:54:04 AM
Anyone decided on who they'll go after first, based on the introductions and demo playthrough?  I'm thinking Fuuko, myself.  Not sure why besides the fact that she just seems so charmingly normal (relatively speaking, of course).  I guess I'm weird that I go for either the normal girls or the crazy ones (bonus points if they end up being both).
Ugh despite loving the game, I can't say any of the girls have really grabbed me yet. Out of the four that are available in the demo, I am thinking that Chloe might be the first one I go for. However I can't say that that is a strong preference.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Darilon on April 15, 2014, 08:35:45 AM
I have heard the full game is pretty easy, like auto battle easy. Hoped the demo was just due to it being the very beginning. I don't really mind the dungeon crawling not being the main aspect as long as the other half is good but I might wait to see a few opinions on the full game before deciding if I will get it.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: CluelessWonder on April 15, 2014, 01:49:07 PM
Just read the review on the front page and I'm disappointed it fell flat.  So how bad is the innuendo?  Is it on par with Ar Tonelico or worse?  I can handle AT's sexualization only because the cosmospheres make the game worthwhile. 
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Spoony Mage on April 15, 2014, 02:04:13 PM
While I wasn't exactly looking for anything particularly deep gameplay wise (it's a glorified dating sim, for goodness' sake.), it is discouraging to hear that the reviewer didn't enjoy it very much.  I have a pretty high tolerance for sexual humor, though it was interesting how much Ar Tonelico tried to sound like vanilla pr0n.  I'll echo the question of how bad the innuendo gets.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Starmongoose on April 15, 2014, 03:40:14 PM
Wait, Atlus localized this?

I thought this was NIS territory for sure.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Mickeymac92 on April 15, 2014, 03:49:00 PM
Personally, I'm more in it for the silliness. The reviewers problem centered around the sexual humor and that he thought the gameplay wasn't that interesting, not so much that it was bad, annoying, agrivating, etc. To me, this sounds more like what I wished Neptunia was - a funny game with combat that doesn't suck donkey balls. Seriously, as long as the gameplay is inoffensive, I'm down with it. I'll try the demo at some point and see what I think.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Darilon on April 15, 2014, 03:59:16 PM
The review is swaying me away from a purchase. I had hoped the combat improved from the demo but it looks like it doesn't. I could overlook it but the dating sim aspect didn't really grab me. Think this game is aimed at a different niche than the one I have fallen into.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Dice on April 15, 2014, 04:00:47 PM
I don't get why so many titles are going for cheap T&A humor than any other kind of humor.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Starmongoose on April 15, 2014, 04:04:28 PM
I don't get why so many titles are going for cheap T&A humor than any other kind of humor.

I think you nailed it with cheap.

Why put the effort in when you can have a bunch of otaku defending it like its Shakespeare.

At least Shakespeare could write a good dick joke.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Darilon on April 15, 2014, 04:06:14 PM
Why put the effort in when you can have a bunch of otaku defending it like its Shakespeare.

Looks like someone took a look at the Conception II gamefaqs board.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Starmongoose on April 15, 2014, 04:07:30 PM
Why put the effort in when you can have a bunch of otaku defending it like its Shakespeare.

Looks like someone took a look at the Conception II gamefaqs board.

Why would I browse Gamefaq's boards? I like to keep my sanity. :p

What have I missed?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: CluelessWonder on April 15, 2014, 04:20:59 PM
Actually I was curious myself and went to look and it isn't bad.  Someone was giving impressions and said the dating part had repeated dialogue making it mechanical and lifeless. 
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Taelus on April 15, 2014, 04:31:10 PM
I don't get why so many titles are going for cheap T&A humor than any other kind of humor.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Dice on April 15, 2014, 04:32:18 PM
Actually I was curious myself and went to look and it isn't bad.  Someone was giving impressions and said the dating part had repeated dialogue making it mechanical and lifeless. 

Yeah it's not bad.  Some accept that it is for the niche audience it is (and enjoy it despite of that), but of course you get one or two ham-heads who think it's a conspiracy by reviewers to downgrade any type of bawdy anime title because whatever.

Incoming fun police:
I recently took issue with the "Bozongas" thing in Tales of Xillia, not even for being dirty, but simply for just not being funny to me.  Butt fuck it.  Other people *love* highschool-level humor I guess.

I loved Symphonia's humor a lot more.  Lloyd uses dual-swords because it means "double the attack power".  That's awesome!  And edges breaking the fourth wall.  Or Lloyd saying his best school subjects are "PE and Art" when his teacher then tells him to shut up -- relatable! I love it!
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Darilon on April 15, 2014, 04:45:24 PM
But...but Good game for a person that is abstinent? (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/706746-conception-ii-children-of-the-seven-stars/69034352)

Joke topic aside, it is just the same as always. As Dice said, it is just the small vocal minority saying the usual stuff.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Annubis on April 15, 2014, 04:57:28 PM
I recently took issue with the "Bozongas" thing in Tales of Xillia, not even for being dirty, but simply for just not being funny to me.  Butt fuck it.  Other people *love* highschool-level humor I guess.

Nah, the bazongas jokes were fucking awful.

See, THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9weQIax3tE) is how it's done.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: deathsaber on April 15, 2014, 04:58:34 PM
Truthfully, this game was made for me.  I am a man and enjoy fan service and the obsurd premise and hijinks.  I really don't get the hate these kinds of games get.  There are plenty of "serious" games out there to go around, but whenever a fun sexy romp like this comes along, its always the end of the world.  Its not even like they go to the realm of anything being truly explicit- its all just innuendos, and some nifty outfits (and exaggerated physics to go with them).  

The demo for this was easily the most interesting and entertaining bit of jrpg I've played all year thus far.  In contrast, Bravely Default and Lightning Returns bored me to tears.  Go figure.  
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 15, 2014, 06:46:08 PM
Lol the score was even lower than I thought I expected a 70 or so.  Wouldn't be an rpgfan review without prudish comments.  Hopefully I'll enjoy this "creepy" game targeted at straight males (the horror).  Sucks to hear about the dungeons though.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Klutz64 on April 15, 2014, 06:52:42 PM
I think folks are being a little too unfair to the reviewer. I'm all for fanservice and eye candy and whatnot, but from the demo I agree with the article, which isn't criticizing the presence of that stuff, but rather that the game tries too hard, doesn't really have the right tone to be more silly than creepy, and offers nothing else in return.

On an unrelated topic, anyone know what the third game the reviewer was referencing in the intro was?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Annubis on April 15, 2014, 07:03:01 PM
On an unrelated topic, anyone know what the third game the reviewer was referencing in the intro was?

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and dived into the minds of magic songstresses with some serious psychological issues

Errrrr Ar Tonelico?

(also, the subtitle for the review should have been WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!)
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Spoony Mage on April 15, 2014, 07:08:19 PM
(also, the subtitle for the review should have been WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!)

But I thought that was the whole point---oh wait, I see what you did there.  :P

I'll have to wait a few days until my order comes in from Amazon, but I'll fully admit that this game will be a guilty pleasure to play.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Dincrest on April 15, 2014, 09:34:38 PM
Re: Fanservice

I love goofiness, fanservice, and goofy fanservice probably more than many of you.  Hell, I enjoyed Let's Meow Meow for crying out loud.  But sometimes, even I get annoyed by fanservice.  Like in Agarest War 2, some of it (e.g. the oil massage sequences) felt like a tacked on afterthought and the game would have been better without it.  That being said, I did find some of the optional event scenes really funny.  Some bordered on creepy, but whatever.

And then you have cases like the manga My Balls.  For the first couple of volumes, it's hilarious (if you enjoy lowbrow humor, obviously).  But then it seemed to get old fast and overstayed its welcome.  EDIT:  I never finished it, but I heard the ending was good despite the supposedly draggy middle, so I'll probably read it again online just to see.

And while I was able to figure out Baten Kaitos and Ar Tonelico from the intro, I'm still stumped on the RPG about a flamboyant vampire pro-wrestler who beats his enemies with telephone poles.  That sounds like a wild game.  
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Darilon on April 15, 2014, 09:45:57 PM

And while I was able to figure out Baten Kaitos and Ar Tonelico from the intro, I'm still stumped on the RPG about a flamboyant vampire pro-wrestler who beats his enemies with telephone poles.  That sounds like a wild game.  

I could be wrong but wasn't that a Shadow Hearts reference?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Dincrest on April 15, 2014, 09:48:41 PM
I never played the Shadow Hearts games, believe it or not.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Spoony Mage on April 15, 2014, 11:02:26 PM

And while I was able to figure out Baten Kaitos and Ar Tonelico from the intro, I'm still stumped on the RPG about a flamboyant vampire pro-wrestler who beats his enemies with telephone poles.  That sounds like a wild game.  

I could be wrong but wasn't that a Shadow Hearts reference?

Hoo boy...just two words to say on that: Man Festival
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: CluelessWonder on April 15, 2014, 11:20:20 PM
I never played the Shadow Hearts games, believe it or not.

You are missing out.  I liked the dark gothic setting mixed with whacky characters and weapons.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Dice on April 15, 2014, 11:33:01 PM
http://tmblr.co/ZbdYay1D88r-S

Eugh, c'mon, really?

I dunno.  I get so torn on talking about this stuff.  On one hand I want to rip into it for being immature, excessive, and more stupid and campy than actually funny and amusing (like OMG SENPAI HAS BIG BREASTS <3 jokes happening at *least* once an hour); but on the other how can I object to having just a good ol time with a 'guilty pleasure' title?  

I can't.  I've tried writing about 3 other posts tearing it up till the other latter half of the argument kicks in and reminds me that there is some weird audience who eats this up and is pretty damn happy to be getting this; and I like that in some weird way (though I hate when people do indeed defend it like it is Shakespeare or throw out the "stop being offended!!" arguments).  And I'm not the target demographic, so besides that ...less-than-impressed Tiny Cartridge review I posted up top, enjoy.

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...and still hoping we can get a funny game that isn't T&A based. Which, by the way, I absolutely agree with Sophie's sentiments, Annubis.  They do indeed look like butts!
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 15, 2014, 11:45:30 PM
I just did that juice drinking part before I had to go to work (it's prettymuch right after you load your demo data).  Anyway about the humor, in general I haven't found the game very funny so far.  I don't like the dirty old man trope and the "fall on girl and accidentally grab breasts" scenes for example.  Boob jokes in general are prettymuch never funny.  This stuff has been done into the ground so hard it is unbelievably tiresome.  What isn't tiresome is seeing cute girls in skimpy outfits, at least for me :P

Since My Balls was mentioned I'd say that is pretty funny but it did indeed drag on too long and I certainly think there is much funnier pervy humor stuff out there than that. 
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 16, 2014, 12:36:41 AM
Personally I think you people are stretching way too much. Especially with the 'juice' scene. Which I had no idea was even a thing until I checked the forums here. Really? We're going that far as to bend scene context and line delivery just to create false entendre? There's no denying the game has more than an over abundance of it throw in low, slow pitches but really. Now you're just trying to set fires so you can claim the barn bonfire's really a deforesting inferno.

Also kinda find it very pot and kettle how many people here railing on Conception II with one fist but used the other to handwave pretty much all of Stick of Truth; which anything South Park is pretty much as juvenile, low-as-you-can-go, bottom of the barrel not-funny humor. I'll point it out again. SoT utilized ABORTION and ANAL RAPE (possibly of a minor; have no desire to research this particular topic but considering how many characters in the SP universe are children I think the odds are good enough to assume this until someone corrects me) multiple times for 'comedy'. Guess what it got? Editor's Choice. And yet Conception II is being ragged because of minor to moderate innuendo? *brain blown*

I dunno. Maybe my HSDD is filtering out some of the more obvious things keeping me from seeing this 'avalanche' of supposed subject matter but really this particular criticism is being blown way out of proportion. I just got a fair way into Chapter 2 tonight and I have yet to see anything that isn't stereotypical content for your average Japanese Shonen story. Heck, compared to even some of the tamer Shonen material over the past decade Conception II hasn't throw out anything over the 'average' bar of eye rolling raciness. Even some of the things people are griping about here the 'golden child' of JRPGs this past decade, Persona 4, utilized as well. If not even worse than Conception II has so far. (Pretty sure there were 3-tops scenes of extended conversations post Naoto's rescue revolving around 'How big is X's breasts' as humor; one of which done in a hot spring with an all girl group for 'bonus points' on the low brow-o-dometer.)

The game's nothing special mind you. Horrid dialog for all the female characters thus far (not that the males are any better but they sit at base-level cliche rather than dipping into the 'bleh' pool), transitions so sharp I swear I get whip lash just from simple scene to scenes, grindy gameplay and waaaay too many tutorials just dog-piled on in quick succession. So there's plenty to nitpick here without delving into sensationalist fiction for extra discussion material.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 16, 2014, 12:56:15 AM
^  I agree about the South Park thing.  I was thinking the same thing and thought how since that's mainstream it's apparently ok.  Back when that review came out I noticed that it got an editor's choice award with a 90% yet I remembered Gungnir also getting a 90% (I just checked and it was 92%) yet that didn't get editor's choice because it wasn't mainstream enough.  Something about "broad appeal" iirc. 

Also I know Bravely Default was reviewed by different people for this site but how do you explain that game having a significantly higher graphics score than Conception 2?  I played the demo for both (in Conceptions case I did for both consoles) and I just don't see any way to explain it other than dragging down the graphics score for the Conception 2 review to match up with the 60s it got in the other categories. 
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Embryon on April 16, 2014, 01:23:29 AM
1. Consider that reviews are written by different people with different tastes.

2. There is absolutely no correlation between the Editor's Choice award and a game's "mainstream appeal." We all love RPGs here. Nobody cares if they're niche or mainstream, we just care if they're good. Conception II is not that good.

3. Conception II's in-engine graphics are pretty damn ugly. I'd argue that Bravely Default looks significantly better, despite its intentionally low-fidelity style. That one's a matter of taste, I suppose.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Dice on April 16, 2014, 01:27:01 AM
Also kinda find it very pot and kettle how many people here railing on Conception II with one fist but used the other to handwave pretty much all of Stick of Truth; which anything South Park is pretty much as juvenile, low-as-you-can-go, bottom of the barrel not-funny humor. I'll point it out again. SoT utilized ABORTION and ANAL RAPE (possibly of a minor; have no desire to research this particular topic but considering how many characters in the SP universe are children I think the odds are good enough to assume this until someone corrects me) multiple times for 'comedy'. Guess what it got? Editor's Choice. And yet Conception II is being ragged because of minor to moderate innuendo? *brain blown*

I don't want to go too in-depth here and I do think it's an *extremely* fair point to bring up South Park.  But I think it's the degree of humour.  South Park is much more diverse in its humour, Conception, from what I've seen/heard is much more one-tracked with titty jokes galore.  I also find it kind of sucks that, dialogue and scene-wise, a lot of the jokes have all been done before whereas South Park makes a point to see how far they can go.  A lot of South Parks attempts at showing nudity is usually showing off the 'ugly' side of it as well, not getting girls in bondage situations (http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/Hyperdimension_Neptunia_mk2/art-005.jpg) or other titillating scenarios.  My issue has been more that we've seen this before, and I don't get why titles like this always seem to get away with the same jokes, same scenarios, and same dialogue about large breasts and the like.

Conception plays perversion for cheap, done-before laughs and excuses to get girls interested in [veiled] sexual relationship with men under the cover of a Teen Rating.  You can't tell me Conception takes itself seriously (or maybe it does), but its out pandering to a specific market.  It shows girls in an unrealistic and cheap way too and puts emphasis on other 'assets' and quirks of theirs, but... eugh, whatever, characterization (I'm more talking about the dialogue than the character models which, hey, interesting new outfits are always fun).

South Park makes a point to be satiracal, crass, and painting the 'ugly truth' in any issue it takes on.  Often times the show served as a critique of 'today' and whatever current events more than it was trying to get simply 'yuks' from slapstick or crazy hijinks.  Also, the probe and abortion scenes were censored to some extent (iirc) but it did sit itself as a 'con' for a number of reviewers.  Otherwise, the show had effectively satirized post-9/11 hyperbole, repeatedly making ironic comedy about racism in many forms, mocking Scientology, and mocking the current state of television numerous times.

Again, I do think you're totally right to the extent of humour the games get into.  But I do think the type of humour and the type of game are quite different as well and respectively aim at a different audience.

EDIT: Also, you make it sound like South Park has *never* been in the news for its content. :P
This show came out in the late 90s, television was still in its family friendly sitcom days.... South Park stirred a TON of shit. x)

Also I know Bravely Default was reviewed by different people for this site but how do you explain that game having a significantly higher graphics score than Conception 2?  I played the demo for both (in Conceptions case I did for both consoles) and I just don't see any way to explain it other than dragging down the graphics score for the Conception 2 review to match up with the 60s it got in the other categories. 

I personally loved how Brave Default is stylized.  It gives off that SaGa Frontier II feel what with the hand drawn backgrounds.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 16, 2014, 01:46:13 AM
Yeah, I think I can see how the 1-Track vs diversity thing would make one particularly more unbearable over the other. So far there hasn't been any other form of comedic attempts aside from said subject material. Honestly I can't really say if Conception II takes itself seriously or not simply because so far there's enough evidence for both sides to have a valid argument.

For example. Early, early on the game exposits about how male Disciples have their power measured by their Ether Count. Even I can tell through the context this is basically set up for a 'sperm count' joke. However there's just 'something' about the delivery and its tone. There are no winks or nods to the audience. No forced press of the subject matter. It flows out unusually naturally and doesn't 'feel' like forced innuendo humor at all. Very much like the whole Crystal Insertion scene from the original Ar Tonelico. It's obvious it has that 'double side', yet the material treats the scene so straight that you have to feel it's sincerely taking itself seriously.

And then it throws pedo-priest-Roshi at the audience not two minutes later and gives us a girl with literal stars in her eyes as, yet again literally, a nun with a gun...
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If you're looking for a 'why' there's really no other honest answer than 'it works'.

Not in a complimentary or praising way mind you, at least by my opinion. Just a fact of the universe that it somehow 'works'.

I've always had the same thoughts of 'why' for all Western comedy sitcom material that endlessly shows anything male as being hopelessly sex-minded, idiotic, and a chronic liar despite being the 'protagonist'.

Strangely, now that I think about it, there's an odd parallel to be drawn here.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 16, 2014, 04:59:28 AM
2. There is absolutely no correlation between the Editor's Choice award and a game's "mainstream appeal." We all love RPGs here. Nobody cares if they're niche or mainstream, we just care if they're good. Conception II is not that good.

http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=10987.msg256669#msg256669

You can't say nobody does cause the Gungnir reviewer clearly passed on giving out the Editor's Choice due to lack of mainstream appeal.  I understand it's not in the official blurb about Editor's Choice Award on the site but I remembered this one cause I asked about it.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 16, 2014, 06:54:09 AM
So to talk about the game for a change. :p I have actually come to like Ellie now that I have gotten a bit further in her events and I now have a rough idea of her backstory and it seems the most interesting so far.

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Namely that she apparently used to know Wake and was either killed or severely mangled after an attack and then was turned into a robot or cyborg.
Totally hater Serina though. Completely annoying. Oh well back to grinding to get the heroine levels roughly equal. Two more to go! x_x

Yeah, I think I can see how the 1-Track vs diversity thing would make one particularly more unbearable over the other. So far there hasn't been any other form of comedic attempts aside from said subject material. Honestly I can't really say if Conception II takes itself seriously or not simply because so far there's enough evidence for both sides to have a valid argument.

For example. Early, early on the game exposits about how male Disciples have their power measured by their Ether Count. Even I can tell through the context this is basically set up for a 'sperm count' joke. However there's just 'something' about the delivery and its tone. There are no winks or nods to the audience. No forced press of the subject matter. It flows out unusually naturally and doesn't 'feel' like forced innuendo humor at all. Very much like the whole Crystal Insertion scene from the original Ar Tonelico. It's obvious it has that 'double side', yet the material treats the scene so straight that you have to feel it's sincerely taking itself seriously.
I take the opinion that Conception II intentionally takes itself too seriously....and that is the joke. And I have to say that I am disappointed that I missed the ether count=sperm count obvious connection. x_x
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Klutz64 on April 16, 2014, 10:20:47 AM
Yeah, I think I can see how the 1-Track vs diversity thing would make one particularly more unbearable over the other. So far there hasn't been any other form of comedic attempts aside from said subject material. Honestly I can't really say if Conception II takes itself seriously or not simply because so far there's enough evidence for both sides to have a valid argument.

I completely agree with both this statement and Dice's comments. It's like I said earlier, the game takes itself just seriously enough and there's so little other content to keep the humor alive, that all the innuendos and skeevy comments make the game more creepy than silly.

Again, this isn't my being prude. I play plenty of JRPG's with lots of T&A and moe girls giggling about each other's boobs, and this game still managed to make me feel uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Embryon on April 16, 2014, 11:24:50 AM
2. There is absolutely no correlation between the Editor's Choice award and a game's "mainstream appeal." We all love RPGs here. Nobody cares if they're niche or mainstream, we just care if they're good. Conception II is not that good.

http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=10987.msg256669#msg256669

You can't say nobody does cause the Gungnir reviewer clearly passed on giving out the Editor's Choice due to lack of mainstream appeal.  I understand it's not in the official blurb about Editor's Choice Award on the site but I remembered this one cause I asked about it.

Hmm. I stand corrected-- it seems like Ashton did refrain from giving an EC award to Gungnir for that reason, but his perspective does not represent the whole staff, nor does his reasoning fall in line with some kind of "rule" we have about which games we give EC to. The award is something left up to each reviewer's discretion. I've been reviewing here for four years, and I've only ever given it out three times: to Persona 4 Golden, FFXIV: ARR, and SMTIV. I certainly wouldn't say that SMTIV caters to a "mainstream" audience, for example, but it's definitely more accessible than past entries in the series.

Anyway, this is veering off topic, but it sounds like most of the people in this thread can corroborate that the gameplay mechanics in Conception II are pretty dull. Like I stated several times in the review, I didn't find the game's humor to be offensive, but it is excessively singular to the point where it becomes obsessive and unfunny. I am absolutely not prudish by any stretch of the imagination, haha.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Blace on April 16, 2014, 12:02:37 PM
Being a former reviewer I thought I would help out here. Editor's Choice awards were given out at the reviewer's discretion and mostly meant they thought it was a paragon of the genre we love so much and a must play regardless if you like action rpgs', strategy rpgs etc.. although this wasn't always the case. Ashton not giving Gungnir an editor's choice award from what I read was because he thought strategy RPG buffs would love it, but maybe not people who don't normally play the genre. Makes sense that he didn't give it an editor's choice then.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Dice on April 16, 2014, 12:13:24 PM
I'd give Twilight Princess a 10/10 but I doubt many people feel the same way. x)

Too much to respond to overnight...  I'll just say it's been a pleasure talking with you all (while I'm studying for exams)! :D
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 16, 2014, 12:37:32 PM
I'd give Twilight Princess a 10/10 but I doubt many people feel the same way. x)


Dice pls. We all know Trixie has far more depth of character and 'deserves' such an award much more.

*insert generic trolling face here*

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On a sub note. Really hoping I finally get access to Torri tonight because so far she looks to be one of the few characters that won't be completely boxed into a worn-out cliche for the first 6 conversations. (I smell 'sealed in a lab hikikomori' here but at least that one hasn't been overexposed to me yet.) Although I can't get over the fact that she talks--with-an-extra--space-every--other-word-because----that's-how-sheltered-people--------converse-,right?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Taelus on April 16, 2014, 12:53:47 PM
I gave South Park the game an Editor's Choice because it was creative, stretched far beyond its source material, performed its humor well, and was one of the most memorable gaming experiences I've had, despite not being a South Park fan. I give Editor's Choice awards to games that are awesome and memorable. You'll also note that in the text of my review, I specifically point out that I took issue with some of its humor, referring directly to the rape jokes. From all I've seen, Conception is neither satire nor particularly good at its brand of humor, nor does it offer a creative or memorable gaming experience. Seems pretty clear to me which game I'd give the award to, but that's ME.

We have no problem at all with your dissent from a review-- in fact, it's quite welcome, as it stimulates conversation and gets people discussing the game more objectively (in theory). That is, provided your complaint is not "THE REVIEWER IS WRONG BECAUSE I DISAGREE." That's only a few short steps away from the utterly repugnant "THIS REVIEWER IS A GIRL/GAY/NOT MY DEMOGRAPHIC SO HE/SHE DOESN'T GET IT AND SHOULDN'T HAVE REVIEWED IT" argument. The assertion that South Park is blatantly not funny, etc etc, is pure taste, much as it seems people want to represent Conception II as being. You're always welcome to disagree, but when you nitpick and compare something from one reviewer to another, the argument falls apart.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 16, 2014, 01:18:08 PM
Well please don't get the impression I am suggesting Conception 2 deserves Editor's Choice cause that isn't what I was suggesting.  I just started going off topic when Zeron mentioned the South Park game.  I can't argue with most of the things said in the Conception review from what I've played so far I just took issue with a couple of the comments in it.  Even back in the demo I was skeptical of the battle system because it seemed like it wasn't worth it to try to chain anything.  However, I liked it enough to get the full game so here I am :P

"Conception II does has some decent art direction when it isn't being pervy."  > Why doesn't it have decent art direction while being pervy?  Or are  the transformation scenes and jiggling 2D portraits not pervy?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 16, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
In hindsight using the 'Editor's Choice' remark was the wrong word set to go with. I was already getting rather wordy and looking for something short/simple to get the point across. The comparison was meant to be a bit more universal. Since SoT received wide praise across the gaming review boards with commentary on the squickier material tending to be a footnote or a 'sweep it under the run', in general. Where as a majority of C-2 reviews bring up the whole innuendo thing as the primary point and tend not to let it go.

Which might've accidentally framed it as a specific-review targeting comment. Apologies as that was not the intention.

Really about the only thing I disagree with in the review is the knocks against the sound. Subjectivity with tastes in music aside, I still really feel reviews can't be allowed to call something 'poor voice acting' if it's not in the same league as anything like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID2ZVZIDL3w).

Conception II isn't anywhere close to bad in the VA department. It's merely average with some sub-par direction choices.

But really that's just a nitpick on my part.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Klutz64 on April 16, 2014, 02:11:29 PM
It's time to stop using 15 year old games as the benchmark for bad voice acting.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Blace on April 16, 2014, 02:26:23 PM
It's time to stop using 15 year old games as the benchmark for bad voice acting.

Agreed. Voice acting was just starting in videogames. It is much worse when a game has bad voice acting nowadays rather than back then.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 16, 2014, 02:44:25 PM
It's time to stop using 15 year old games as the benchmark for bad voice acting.

Chaos Wars - NA Release Date, 2008

15 years huh? ;-P

Snark aside, very certain there's more recent examples if the year 2014 is contemporary enough for you (http://youtu.be/ask3Dn1ocIQ?t=24m38s). The entire game's just chalk full of bad VA but this timestamp I think captures the spirit of it. 'This' is bad voice acting of similar caliber. Conception II blows this out of the water.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: deathsaber on April 16, 2014, 03:22:18 PM

Also kinda find it very pot and kettle how many people here railing on Conception II with one fist but used the other to handwave pretty much all of Stick of Truth; which anything South Park is pretty much as juvenile, low-as-you-can-go, bottom of the barrel not-funny humor. I'll point it out again. SoT utilized ABORTION and ANAL RAPE (possibly of a minor; have no desire to research this particular topic but considering how many characters in the SP universe are children I think the odds are good enough to assume this until someone corrects me) multiple times for 'comedy'. Guess what it got? Editor's Choice. And yet Conception II is being ragged because of minor to moderate innuendo? *brain blown*


Real glad you brought up South Park- I was contemplating it in my defense of Conception (and games like it) but afraid I'd get shot down brutally becuase it isn't really a JRPG, anime, or tonally similar.  Conception 2 gives a lot of corny innuendo, a horny (but harmless) old man, some jiggle, and an accidental grope or two.  Southpark did indeed have your 4th grade character being sodomized on screen, graphic violence as well as straight up actual sex acts- ON SCREEN.  Granted, nothing in South Park was made to titilate, or be anything remotely serious- its all done in the name of outrageous/gross out humor.  But still- no outcry/controversy at all surrounded this. 

But bring up some light harem anime inspired game and here comes all the white knights. 

Look, I'm not saying Conception 2 is anything near GOTY material- but its just the kind of visual Novel/jrpg hybrid with attractive girls and bawdy boob humor I like to play once in a while.  I know the ladies have quite a few options geared towards them these days too, especially in the visual novel/dating sim world, which is fine.  People can debate the humor itself which will always be subjective, but it just rankles me to no end how a certain element out there just wants to outright drive these games off the shelves in the interest of having everything be just like Dark Souls or whatever other "hardcore" experience is popular at the moment.  Having variety is what makes life interesting. 
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Dice on April 16, 2014, 03:26:42 PM
Granted, nothing in South Park was made to titilate, or be anything remotely serious- its all done in the name of outrageous/gross out humor.  But still- no outcry/controversy at all surrounded this. 

But bring up some light harem anime inspired game and here comes all the white knights. 

Whoops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_controversies), what? (http://ca.ign.com/articles/2010/04/28/south-parks-biggest-controversies)

It's also been said a few times since that post that the bigger issue is when a game(s) relies on just one set of jokes than branching out into more diverse humour.  The type of yuks in Conception are mostly T-rated jokes about how big senpai's breasts are, much less the actual content of the game.

I think it's more (personally speaking) I'm bored of this.  I dunno, how long are these jokes funny for?  =/
I really don't hold much of an opinion for people who like these games (or rather I'm wishy-washy about it).  And while *I* don't like them, I can't fault people if they enjoy it for what it is.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Embryon on April 16, 2014, 03:38:19 PM

Also kinda find it very pot and kettle how many people here railing on Conception II with one fist but used the other to handwave pretty much all of Stick of Truth; which anything South Park is pretty much as juvenile, low-as-you-can-go, bottom of the barrel not-funny humor. I'll point it out again. SoT utilized ABORTION and ANAL RAPE (possibly of a minor; have no desire to research this particular topic but considering how many characters in the SP universe are children I think the odds are good enough to assume this until someone corrects me) multiple times for 'comedy'. Guess what it got? Editor's Choice. And yet Conception II is being ragged because of minor to moderate innuendo? *brain blown*


Real glad you brought up South Park- I was contemplating it in my defense of Conception (and games like it) but afraid I'd get shot down brutally becuase it isn't really a JRPG, anime, or tonally similar.  Conception 2 gives a lot of corny innuendo, a horny (but harmless) old man, some jiggle, and an accidental grope or two.  Southpark did indeed have your 4th grade character being sodomized on screen, graphic violence as well as straight up actual sex acts- ON SCREEN.  Granted, nothing in South Park was made to titilate, or be anything remotely serious- its all done in the name of outrageous/gross out humor.  But still- no outcry/controversy at all surrounded this. 

But bring up some light harem anime inspired game and here comes all the white knights. 

Look, I'm not saying Conception 2 is anything near GOTY material- but its just the kind of visual Novel/jrpg hybrid with attractive girls and bawdy boob humor I like to play once in a while.  I know the ladies have quite a few options geared towards them these days too, especially in the visual novel/dating sim world, which is fine.  People can debate the humor itself which will always be subjective, but it just rankles me to no end how a certain element out there just wants to outright drive these games off the shelves in the interest of having everything be just like Dark Souls or whatever other "hardcore" experience is popular at the moment.  Having variety is what makes life interesting. 

For what it's worth, I dislike Dark Souls and love games like Atelier, Trails in the Sky, etc. I also enjoy dark thematic material like in Shin Megami Tensei, Silent Hill, Valkyrie Profile, and so on. By no means do I want Conception to be "off the shelves," either, because I respect that it appeals to a particular crowd. My disdain for the humor may indeed be subjective, but I don't think you can deny that it's incredibly fixated on repeating the same type of joke over and over.

Also, it's not a very fun game. That's the most important thing I tried to drive home with my review. :)
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: deathsaber on April 16, 2014, 04:06:53 PM
Dice, for the record, the lack of controversy I speak of regarding Southpark is that amongst gamers themselves where The Stick of Truth is concerned.  - In general hardly anybody in the gaming world, mainstream review press included, seemed to have any problem with the content in that game. I know the mainstream zeitgeist has made controversy where South Park is concerned from the very start, but gamers could seem to care less. 

However, in comparison, Conception 2 has a pretty long thread going at virtually every major gaming discussion board out there right now debating its very nature.  I'm just pointing out how its funny these big debates pop up everytime when it happens that an anime-styled game dares to be a little saucy- but unquestioningly has far tamer material overall than South Park. 

Embryon, you have every right to your review and opinion that it isn't a fun game.  I value THIS website very much for its content and opinions, which are always very well stated.  I enjoy many types of games in all genres, styles, and tone too.  RPG and overwise.  Just remember, fun is a subjective thing.  Games like Conception 2 exist because some of us do like them and buy them, and I'm one of them :)
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 16, 2014, 04:10:17 PM
Just a random thought.

Why do I get the feeling we're going to have this conversation all over again when Mugen Souls Z comes out? XD

Although to be fair at least Mugen Souls tried to mix things up and didn't rely on 'peon' jokes the entire time.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Embryon on April 16, 2014, 04:14:42 PM
Dice, for the record, the lack of controversy I speak of regarding Southpark is that amongst gamers themselves where The Stick of Truth is concerned.  - In general hardly anybody in the gaming world, mainstream review press included, seemed to have any problem with the content in that game. I know the mainstream zeitgeist has made controversy where South Park is concerned from the very start, but gamers could seem to care less. 

However, in comparison, Conception 2 has a pretty long thread going at virtually every major gaming discussion board out there right now debating its very nature.  I'm just pointing out how its funny these big debates pop up everytime when it happens that an anime-styled game dares to be a little saucy- but unquestioningly has far tamer material overall than South Park. 

Embryon, you have every right to your review and opinion that it isn't a fun game.  I value THIS website very much for its content and opinions, which are always very well stated.  I enjoy many types of games in all genres, styles, and tone too.  RPG and overwise.  Just remember, fun is a subjective thing.  Games like Conception 2 exist because some of us do like them and buy them, and I'm one of them :)

I appreciate this response very much. I love being part of RPGFan because I think we have an intelligent community that can have reasonable discussions.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Annubis on April 16, 2014, 04:17:03 PM
At which point do you give up on half baked ecchi games with hopes of titillation to simply go for eroge where the tits are actually there?
I mean, if the game has nothing else at all going for it... why the hell not go play an actual eroge that delivers the goods instead of teasing.

That's a real question.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: deathsaber on April 16, 2014, 04:19:47 PM
Just a random thought.

Why do I get the feeling we're going to have this conversation all over again when Mugen Souls Z comes out? XD

Although to be fair at least Mugen Souls tried to mix things up and didn't rely on 'peon' jokes the entire time.

LOL didn't really care for that one!
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 16, 2014, 04:25:00 PM
At which point do you give up on half baked ecchi games with hopes of titillation to simply go for eroge where the tits are actually there?
I mean, if the game has nothing else at all going for it... why the hell not go play an actual eroge that delivers the goods instead of teasing.

That's a real question.

I'll probably have the most boring answer out of the lot due to the HSDD- Never.

Personally I'd be quite happy to enjoy the Ecchi games with none of the Ecchi as I prefer more adorable character designs, light hearted plots, and decent combat/class systems without having to delve into the hard-drama plots most non-Ecchi RPGs rely on. My RPG entertainment needs pretty heavy on levity and even contain some brain deadness to it, considering that between my anime viewing and novel writing I saturate myself in enough 'darkness' and over-thinking as is. XP

So for me there's never really any combination of eating my cake and enjoying it.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: deathsaber on April 16, 2014, 04:40:31 PM
At which point do you give up on half baked ecchi games with hopes of titillation to simply go for eroge where the tits are actually there?
I mean, if the game has nothing else at all going for it... why the hell not go play an actual eroge that delivers the goods instead of teasing.

That's a real question.

Because you are speakijng of porn and that is for scratching a completely different itch than what I would get out of something like this game.  There is no shortgage of that out there, and if I wanted that, i can have it in seconds, for free.  As a matter of fact, I can proudly say i've never spend a single nickel towards supporting that industry. 

However, I am paying my money to very much still enjoy a real videogame here, that will last 40+ hours, with stats, battle systems, grinding, and such.   Its just there is the added value of a wacky plot, bawdy humor, and some enjoyable artwork to this guy's eyes.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Annubis on April 16, 2014, 05:26:11 PM
However, I am paying my money to very much still enjoy a real videogame here, that will last 40+ hours, with stats, battle systems, grinding, and such.   Its just there is the added value of a wacky plot, bawdy humor, and some enjoyable artwork to this guy's eyes.

You speak as if eroge cannot have those.
Go play Kamidori Alchemy Meister, it's a great Tactical RPG and an eroge that possesses everything you mentioned.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Kevadu on April 16, 2014, 05:32:57 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that deathsaber has never actually played an eroge.  I do find it a little amusing how he can defend something like this game while simultaneously looking down on eroge when they actually have a lot more in common than he thinks...
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Dincrest on April 16, 2014, 05:39:34 PM
I'm reminded once again of that episode of The Simpsons where Marge gets Itchy and Scratchy off the air by making it kinder and gentler, but when the decency groups wanted her on board to prevent Michaelangelo's David from making a tour stop in Springfield, she declined, saying "everyone should see it."  Then there was the whole "you accept David, indecencies and all, yet not Itchy and Scratchy, indecencies and all?"  

I'm cool with fanservice.  It's a good gimmick, especially since it provides a lightning rod for discussions like these every time.  Conception II is certainly not hurting from this publicity.  My only issue is if you were to hypothetically strip away the gimmick, is the core game any good?  It's like, when KISS washed off the makeup in the 80s and just played as themselves, they sucked.  They were just like any other cookie-cutter band.  Think about it.  KISS is really a mediocre band in terms of musicianship or even songwriting.  But put the makeup, the costumes, the pyrotechnics, etc. back on, and they were cool again.  

On the other hand, if you were to take away all the funky stage props that Red Hot Chili Peppers use (e.g. lightbulb hats, Flea buck naked, colorful costumes, etc) and just have them perform in street clothes, they'd still be fantastic because, at their core, they are an excellent band with skillful musicianship and songwriting.  

EDIT: And, yes, while there are plenty of eroge that are nauseatingly degenerate, just plain stupid, or both, there are some that are excellent.  Crescendo still remains one of my favorite VNs.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 16, 2014, 06:23:57 PM
Well I play eroge too and I'm doing Chou Dengeki Stryker at the moment.  Much much funnier than this game but no gameplay.  I know my brother likes Kamidori a lot but I haven't played it myself. 

This game is rather underwhelming for me so far but entertaining enough.  Really bad sign when you are already seeing re-used monsters in the 2nd main dungeon.  -_-  The convos with the girls are usually not very interesting either.  Fuuka is boring, chloe is...i dunno, and narika and serina are super cookie cutter.  Ellie is pretty fun though.  Her favorite food has an...interesting name.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Dincrest on April 16, 2014, 06:41:49 PM
By any chance, is it this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotted_dick
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 16, 2014, 06:46:47 PM
Fuuka is boring.

But did you know she can swim really well? >.>
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Klutz64 on April 16, 2014, 07:39:30 PM
It's time to stop using 15 year old games as the benchmark for bad voice acting.

Chaos Wars - NA Release Date, 2008

15 years huh? ;-P

Snark aside, very certain there's more recent examples if the year 2014 is contemporary enough for you (http://youtu.be/ask3Dn1ocIQ?t=24m38s). The entire game's just chalk full of bad VA but this timestamp I think captures the spirit of it. 'This' is bad voice acting of similar caliber. Conception II blows this out of the water.

I still hold that you can't judge components of a game based purely on the outliers of either extreme, especially on the side of bad. It's kind of a moot point though, because I don't believe the review called the voice acting bad so much as simply mismatched.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Dice on April 16, 2014, 08:38:30 PM
I'm reminded once again of that episode of The Simpsons where Marge gets Itchy and Scratchy off the air by making it kinder and gentler, but when the decency groups wanted her on board to prevent Michaelangelo's David from making a tour stop in Springfield, she declined, saying "everyone should see it."  Then there was the whole "you accept David, indecencies and all, yet not Itchy and Scratchy, indecencies and all?"  

While it wasn't the best episode by way of humour, I miss the days of The Simpson's ability to bring to bring in amazing culturally-relavent laughs and surprisingly conscious introspection.  That episode is one of many I can appreciate more as an adult than I did as a kid who were, like Bart and Lisa, enjoying Itchy and Scratchy for the laughs and little else.

Anyways, a reviewer said it better than me about "Itchy & Scratchy & Marge":

Quote
Ah, but Marge’s campaign backfires when censorship-happy harpies try to co-opt Marge’s mission for their own ends by launching a campaign against Michaelangelo’s David. Marge can’t get behind such blatant censorship of great art and is wearily forced to concede that [...] free expression we don’t like or approve of or find disturbing and even potentially harmful is the price we pay for freedom of speech.

Its part of the reason I can't blame the game by way of content than get frustrated with the jokes it tries in general (much like Conception II right now).

It's time to stop using 15 year old games as the benchmark for bad voice acting.

Chaos Wars - NA Release Date, 2008

15 years huh? ;-P

Snark aside, very certain there's more recent examples if the year 2014 is contemporary enough for you (http://youtu.be/ask3Dn1ocIQ?t=24m38s). The entire game's just chalk full of bad VA but this timestamp I think captures the spirit of it. 'This' is bad voice acting of similar caliber. Conception II blows this out of the water.

I still hold that you can't judge components of a game based purely on the outliers of either extreme, especially on the side of bad. It's kind of a moot point though, because I don't believe the review called the voice acting bad so much as simply mismatched.

This isn't really here nor there... but man, I don't get the fondness for old Resident Evil and the bashing both 5 and 6 got for ITS hammy dialogue (i.e.; 110% witty American banter).
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 17, 2014, 07:22:24 AM
I have to take back a bit what I said. This game isn't 'grindy'. That implies progress. There needs to be another word for this. X-x

Spent roughly 3 hours playing last night to get through Chapter 2. Star Children have level caps. What their cap is seems to be a combination of your level, heroine's level, and affection rating with some RNG thrown in for good measure. So when I started most of my kids were maxed out at level 14-16. Cleared out the two sub dungeons, gradually swapping kids as one capped out (you trade them in to level up the town for new stuff), then beat the main dungeon.

Since I swapped to Torri...I now have a Heroine reset of Level 6 (from Serina's 14) and guess what all my Star Kids are at? 14-16. ~_~; 3 hours and the only 'progress' is a raised level cap and about 3+ levels to the hero.

H'oy...
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Tintaglia on April 17, 2014, 08:25:04 AM
63% average on Metacritic, and mixed impressions on forums... A bit of a letdown for something so many were hyped about. Good thing Demon Gaze is almost out.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: deathsaber on April 17, 2014, 10:00:05 AM
I think it's pretty obvious that deathsaber has never actually played an eroge.  I do find it a little amusing how he can defend something like this game while simultaneously looking down on eroge when they actually have a lot more in common than he thinks...

Wrong, I know full well what these games are.  I've seen vids, read reviews here.  Games like Eselia the Eternal that have actual rpg gameplay to go with the visual novel sex shenanigans. 

So why not play these instead?  Because:

1.  I'm a married 35 yr old father of two.  I can play a game like conception 2 on Vita whenever while sitting with my kids, or in bed right next to my non-gamer wife, and not rankle any feathers.  Because other than some occasional innuendo laden text, the game is basically no different than any other JRPG.  I certainly couldn't fire up some sex game nex to my wife, or in front of my six year old. 


2.  I"m a pretty much a console gamer only.   All I play is purchased from Gamestop/Target/PSN store.  I don't do PC gaming, homebrew, steal games on torrents, or purchase those types of games from places like JastUSA (again, yes I do know about this stuff),.  That said, don't call me a newb- I've had almost every console made since Colecovision, and I was a heavy PC gamer in the 90s, pre 3d acceleration, when I kind of stopped because I tired of trying to keep up with it all, and decided to stick with consoles.  But no, I'm not a pc gamer anymore.  My pc is just for work and internet now.

3.  Honestly, I'm just not really into porn/hentai/eroge.  Maybe, if I were younger, but I find the majority of it kind of weird and gross.  If I want sex, you know, I go have some.  So there.

Like I said- I like the cute girls.  I like dating sim elements, or any kind of romance element-honestly if I ever read that any game has a romance element, its on my list.    And some occasional boob humor makes me chuckle, so sue me :)  Plus, I appreciate games that aren't so serious from time to time.  So there you pretty much have it.  Yes, it is possible somebody might be more into somehing like Conception 2, and not necessarily eroge and other "hard" stuff. 
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Annubis on April 17, 2014, 10:43:55 AM
Kevadu is also married to a WW2 Japanese battleship
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 17, 2014, 10:44:30 AM
 just wanna point out that the version of Aselia JAST brought over was the "all ages" version (I have it)

Tintaglia - not as low as the Witch and the Hundred Knight's metascore :P  Played that right before this prettymuch.  It is pretty disappointing in some respects but I'm still being entertained enough

Beat the chapter 2 boss last night (greed dungeon).  The boss was a freaking joke.  It only got to attack twice before it died.  I'm kinda annoyed about the waifu heroine switching, it seems kinda a pain to use more than one or two because they don't level automatically at all.  They REALLY should too cause if you keep switching around I don't see how they are supposed to keep up with the main char's level at all.  I also don't like that at the dorm room (menu hell) when you switch girls it doesn't let you compare their full status and skills without actually picking each one manually and looking.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: deathsaber on April 17, 2014, 12:05:05 PM
^

yeah, its grindy in that aspect.  Naturally, you will have to switch girls to get certain elemental attributes and such on your main, and that will take some leveling to bring a new girl up to speed. 

On the bright side through, I'd say overall, the game just isn't so hard to require you to be really overleveled. 
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 17, 2014, 01:19:25 PM
I'm not sure how much the elements matter though.  I assume you could go through the game only using one girl if you wanted.

I stopped right after that boss but I assume I'll have Torri and Feene soon.  Mostly been using chloe and serina.  Chloe cause uh....dat costume.  Serina cause her first big special hits the whole field. Do any of the other girls learn an all enemy hitter quickly like Serina?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 17, 2014, 01:44:43 PM
Just got one from Torri that's a wind all-enemy hitter.

Apparently in the 4th floor of the first dungeon's VR sim there's a chance of an enemy spawning that looks basically like a bunny and a slime mated. Barely hits for anything and if you kill it you get 1500 XP...holy crap.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: insertnamehere on April 17, 2014, 09:29:40 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that deathsaber has never actually played an eroge.  I do find it a little amusing how he can defend something like this game while simultaneously looking down on eroge when they actually have a lot more in common than he thinks...

Wrong, I know full well what these games are. I've seen vids, read reviews here. Games like Eselia the Eternal that have actual rpg gameplay to go with the visual novel sex shenanigans.

So why not play these instead? Because:

1. I'm a married 35 yr old father of two. I can play a game like conception 2 on Vita whenever while sitting with my kids, or in bed right next to my non-gamer wife, and not rankle any feathers. Because other than some occasional innuendo laden text, the game is basically no different than any other JRPG. I certainly couldn't fire up some sex game nex to my wife, or in front of my six year old. 


2. I"m a pretty much a console gamer only. All I play is purchased from Gamestop/Target/PSN store. I don't do PC gaming, homebrew, steal games on torrents, or purchase those types of games from places like JastUSA (again, yes I do know about this stuff),. That said, don't call me a newb- I've had almost every console made since Colecovision, and I was a heavy PC gamer in the 90s, pre 3d acceleration, when I kind of stopped because I tired of trying to keep up with it all, and decided to stick with consoles. But no, I'm not a pc gamer anymore. My pc is just for work and internet now.

3. Honestly, I'm just not really into porn/hentai/eroge. Maybe, if I were younger, but I find the majority of it kind of weird and gross. If I want sex, you know, I go have some. So there.

Aselia is one of the eroge that includes an RPG battle system, and you make it seem as if these games are "porn" (despite many of them having minimal amounts of sex) like most people would or generally do, but any basically any movie with a sex scene is still a regular movie.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 17, 2014, 11:44:05 PM
It's not really an eroge anymore if it doesn't have any sex scenes though so I feel it's weird to keep going back to Aselia (though yeah the original Japanese version was eroge)
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 18, 2014, 07:00:42 AM
I am currently using Ellie as my main since she is the most interesting character for me at the moment. Just got Torri though so maybe her events will win me over.

I'm not sure how much the elements matter though.  I assume you could go through the game only using one girl if you wanted.

I stopped right after that boss but I assume I'll have Torri and Feene soon.  Mostly been using chloe and serina.  Chloe cause uh....dat costume.  Serina cause her first big special hits the whole field. Do any of the other girls learn an all enemy hitter quickly like Serina?
Element determines what elemental spells Star Children learn....so there is that. I dunno beyond that.

You get Torri soon but have to wait another chapter for Feene.

Just got one from Torri that's a wind all-enemy hitter.

Apparently in the 4th floor of the first dungeon's VR sim there's a chance of an enemy spawning that looks basically like a bunny and a slime mated. Barely hits for anything and if you kill it you get 1500 XP...holy crap.
Yeah you can get a few of those in the bottom floor of the 2nd dungeon also. The better place to grind them however is the bottom floor of the third sub dungeon (so you have to be in chapter 3) because I believe they are guaranteed to spawn there and last time I was there I think I encountered a total of 4 encounters with 3 each (so 12). I am so grinding them to get all of heroines up to the same level (29 because that is my current overleveled position).
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 18, 2014, 02:48:57 PM
Yeah I just got Torri last night I like her a lot.  Her and Ellie have the best events.  The others >_>  Don't have Feene yet so can't speak for her but my only impression so far is that I hate her voice.  Having more fun with the game now for whatever reason though (probably just cuz Torri lol).  I haven't actually used Ellie much at all in combat, what are her skills like?
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 18, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
I'm almost tempted just to boycott using Feene by virtue of her introduction having pretty much tripped over every 'Thing you do not do to a female character' alarm. Of all the characters in the entire game so far she's the only one I find to be borderline offensive.

-Hero 'saves' her hometown.
-Heroine comes before him all demure and also verbatum says 'You're the strong man who saved my town. I'm a woman. Therefore you get to do anything you want with me.'
-And to top it all off her battle outfit is a wedding dress.

Good lord I thought this cliche/trope was dead and buried (at least this extreme of a case thereof). But nope. Yamato Nadeshiko and Western Trophy Wife went and had a baby. We're still doing ye-olden hero gets to treat the village girl as property clause.

Probably going to give her 3 events tops. And if she's still being a boot-licker by the end of the third I doubt even I could stand it past then.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 18, 2014, 04:57:13 PM
Quick aside:

Just had something really odd happen. Had a Star Kid with Torri, didn't see any special notifications. However a huge list of class options opened up. Apparently this kid has a level cap of 99 and gets a special yellow star symbol under him inside of the dungeons.

...what just happened? o.O
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 18, 2014, 09:33:45 PM
I think I saw someone mention "genius" children on gamefaqs but didn't know what they meant.  maybe it's that
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Eusis on April 18, 2014, 11:25:48 PM
63% average on Metacritic, and mixed impressions on forums... A bit of a letdown for something so many were hyped about. Good thing Demon Gaze is almost out.

There really wasn't hype on my end, I was just curious about how it'd turn out since apparently the first played with player expectations on being a "waifu game" or whatever and that Spike Chunsoft developed and Atlus published. But it fell flat, so whatever.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Spoony Mage on April 19, 2014, 01:11:00 AM
Finally got the game today.  Liking what I've played of it so far, but boy does this game love its tropes.  This game couldn't be more "battle harem anime" if it tried.  At least you don't have to play your main character as a complete doormat/dumbass like 90% of the protagonists out there.  >_>;

Also, am I a horrible person for this scene popping in my mind whenever the girls appear onscreen?

http://youtu.be/h87JSL9nbbU
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 19, 2014, 04:27:51 AM
I'm pretty addicted to this game now.  Still not sure what I think of Feene but what I do know is her theme music during her events is awesome so I'll be doing them lol.  I like Torri's theme music too
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 19, 2014, 06:58:23 AM
Quick aside:

Just had something really odd happen. Had a Star Kid with Torri, didn't see any special notifications. However a huge list of class options opened up. Apparently this kid has a level cap of 99 and gets a special yellow star symbol under him inside of the dungeons.

...what just happened? o.O
There is supposedly a 5% of getting a "genius" kid whenever you have a star kid. In addition to having a level 99 cap no matter, they also have the benefit of getting something like 50% stat bonus n creation (hence why so many more classes were available because you met their stat requirements). I think I have made somewhere in the neighborhood of 50-60 star kids and I've currently gotten a grand total of 3.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 19, 2014, 07:32:00 AM
Feene I'm still up in the air about as well. I haven't gotten any of her proper events yet. Just the 'give a gift' filler and the whole one liner about how her family specializes in a martial art technique revolving around kneeing men in the nuts.

Which normally might fall under 'eh' but considering how "OMG, I don't wanna damage God's Gift!" every other female in this game is, having one that just comes up and offers to demonstrate that technique (without any malice or intended to carry through in a harmful way) is strangely 'refreshing'.

Also. Class'man'ting and Tri-matiing...oh game, how you never fail to surprise me.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on April 19, 2014, 11:29:04 PM
Wow. I'm...surprised. There's even a Miiverse community for this game...and they didn't block people from uploading paused shots of the game.

WHERE'S MY SMTIV COMMUNITY?!
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 20, 2014, 06:40:58 AM
Feene I'm still up in the air about as well. I haven't gotten any of her proper events yet. Just the 'give a gift' filler and the whole one liner about how her family specializes in a martial art technique revolving around kneeing men in the nuts.

Which normally might fall under 'eh' but considering how "OMG, I don't wanna damage God's Gift!" every other female in this game is, having one that just comes up and offers to demonstrate that technique (without any malice or intended to carry through in a harmful way) is strangely 'refreshing'.

Also. Class'man'ting and Tri-matiing...oh game, how you never fail to surprise me.
I'm very 'eh' on Feene, she comes off as too "perfect." She is perfect including being too humble to realize how perfect she is. It just doesn't work for me. Still leaning towards Ellie as the most interesting. Ms. Ghost is interesting also. A shame Ms. Ghost is stuck in the story of such an uninteresting character. Worst one is easily Narika though.

Side note, anyone going for platinum might want to check out this thread (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/706746-conception-ii-children-of-the-seven-stars/69060127) I made on Gamefaqs as I discuss some findings regarding a couple of missable events.

Edit: Oh wow, I almost forgot to mention this. Got some girls to three affection yesterday....wow does the classmating scene get awkward around then. What with the girl throwing her head back multiple times. All I can do whenever I see it is laugh because wtf. I just don't know how to process what I am viewing, and there are still stages left so it is only going to get more hilarious I am sure.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 20, 2014, 07:43:35 AM
So far I think that part about Feene would be fine if all the other characters weren't going on and on about how 'great' she is. I get more of the 'perfect' vibe from Chloe. Oh look, a child genius, teacher everyone loves, who writes books/papers about everything that even the government uses, yet still has a perfect figure and dat-da-dat-da-dah. Good lord did they shove her harshly off the Mary Sue tree with every branch on the way down being smacked.

And yeah...those 3+ AR matings are...let's just say I'm amazed there hasn't been any GIFs cycling through here of those looped just because. XP
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 20, 2014, 06:07:07 PM
Yea the classmating is hilarious to me now lol

I'm just about to finish the 5th dungeon.  Imo best girls are Torri and Ellie.  3rd is probably Feene because her events have good music and don't annoy me.  Chloe is indeed a massive mary sue and it's a shame cause I like her char design but damn do her events suck.  

Also I think it's funny how in this game finding a mimic in a chest pleases me more than getting an item.  Exp is nice
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 21, 2014, 06:50:16 AM
Yeah Chloe is sort of Mary Suish, which makes me wonder why Feene is treated like a goddess. I do however like Chloe's school outfit......her battle outfit not so much.

I'm about to enter the 5th dungeon myself. I'm enjoying most of the heroine events. Most of them seem to have some unique (to me at least) twist to them. Narika is still extremely boring though. >.>
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 21, 2014, 11:57:02 AM
I've noticed something about the database.  You know how it will shade out the choices you didn't make and you will only be able to pick what you have previously selected in the database?  Well....if you're at one of the choice points where you pick a girl for an event and you pick one then after the event make a new save continuing from that.  If you then load the choice point save you can pick a different girl than do the event and you don't even have to save it cause it autosaves to database when you do an event.  The interesting thing is that if you do this then the only girl with shaded out options will be the one you actually picked and saved to the file you are continuing from, the others will have all their options available in the database. 
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 21, 2014, 05:37:10 PM
Oh great, I have to pick one at a later date? XD *sigh* Torn between Torri and Serina then...

That'll be a while though. I'm still on the 4th Dungeon just because I'm being very OCD about leveling and grabbing every last chest and doing all the quests.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 21, 2014, 06:27:14 PM
I'm doing a lackluster job with the quests and side dungeons myself :p

You get a "pick a girl" choice after the 4th boss and another after the 5th boss.  It would be a good idea to keep a save at these choices so you can try the other events and get them in the database.  They probably don't affect the ending.  I haven't looked up how to get endings cause I might see a spoiler but I assume getting most of the endings just requires max affection with the girl and making an obvious choice.  This game has a very straitforward feel to it so I doubt it's more complex than that.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 22, 2014, 06:29:38 AM
Ending Requirements:
Normal- I'm not 100% sure, but I think finish the game without meeting the requirements for any endings
Character Endings: Finish all events and choose them in the final chapter
Harem Ending: See all character endings and meet requirements for all of them (auto happens the first time you meet the requirments, choice after that)

I personally am wailing on all the dungeons and side quests (Wake is currently level 50 and I just beat chapter 5, basically every boss dies to Bond Drive!). Fyi, you unlock the Dungeon Master class when you beat five sub-dungeons. Dungeon Master lets you see traps and if you have three in a group enemies have a harder time detecting you.

Edit: Lmao, I just did my first classmating of chapter 6, and ass shot. I figured I would be getting a new angle but I was not expecting that.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 22, 2014, 02:00:53 PM
do you really need 100% of events to get a girl's ending?  I would think some of them wouldn't be required.  That would also mean you can't keep a save near the end of the game and get multiple endings from it because of the choices where you can only pick one girl. 
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: insertnamehere on April 22, 2014, 03:59:06 PM
I saw an insightful comment about this game someplace, to the effect of
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It's immature, but the characters are basically in high school, and a lot of us were immature in high school.
Though it seems to me like the game may not really be joking about perverted stuff so much as it is treating it with a nonchalant tone.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 23, 2014, 06:28:07 AM
do you really need 100% of events to get a girl's ending?  I would think some of them wouldn't be required.  That would also mean you can't keep a save near the end of the game and get multiple endings from it because of the choices where you can only pick one girl. 
You don't need 100% (because that requires either a ton of save scumming or multiple playthroughs), I meant all of their (heroine) storyline events.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 23, 2014, 12:27:12 PM
that's cool, I took a break from it for about 2 days but I'm in early chapter 6 still.  Gonna finish this before I get started with Demon Gaze

I got the weapon upgrades cause of the story and tried Torri's new special move but wow was that lame.   It looks the same as the move she's had the entire game except uh....the camera moves to show them at the end of it?  So lazy. 
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 25, 2014, 11:43:54 AM
So yeah, for anyone who hasn't seen this yet.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa236/Aio-chan/conception-ii-children-of-the-seven-stars-04-16-14-1_zps030b39eb.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Aio-chan/media/conception-ii-children-of-the-seven-stars-04-16-14-1_zps030b39eb.jpg.html)
Apparently the first piece of this DLC is due on the 6th next month. And is free.

Bad story? Bad character? Meh game system? Doesn't matter.

This just officially became the best game ever. XD
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 26, 2014, 06:21:56 AM
So I just hit chapter 7 and oh my god the first sub-labyrinth kicked my ass. I'm not sure if it is that the darkness element is screwing me over or if my Star Children are due for being replaced but getting through there was fun despite being at least 10 levels higher than the enemies. Now to get through one more sub labyrinth and the pride labyrinth so I can move on to the final chapter although I should probably grind for the last two item based classes first. On the bright side, nearly done with getting armor for the heroines, just two more quests left. Few more for weapon parts though.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on April 28, 2014, 12:04:21 AM
Alright I finally beat the game and got all endings.  I am definitely disappointed with this game.  The dungeons and combat are so freakin awful urghhhhhh.  So glad I'm finally done.  If it wasn't for a couple (sadly not most) of the girls being fun to talk to I would have never finished this game.  Narika and Chloe's events are so awful I think I've suffered brain damage.  Ellie best girl though :)
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on April 28, 2014, 06:40:06 AM
Alright I finally beat the game and got all endings.  I am definitely disappointed with this game.  The dungeons and combat are so freakin awful urghhhhhh.  So glad I'm finally done.  If it wasn't for a couple (sadly not most) of the girls being fun to talk to I would have never finished this game.  Narika and Chloe's events are so awful I think I've suffered brain damage.  Ellie best girl though :)
I beat the game with the normal ending last night. Going for the rest of the endings after I finish all the NG+ quests. Sadly both of the ones I have right now are item gathering quests. The item gathering quests are by far the worst thing about the game. And I will second Ellie being the best. Also will second Narika being awful....Chloe's didn't bother me that much.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on May 09, 2014, 06:11:29 AM
First Monokuma DLC came out yesterday. Killed him in two attacks. Take that you evil bear!
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: dagas on May 10, 2014, 05:16:19 PM
I played the demo and like it. I have heard so much negativity about this game that I was pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on May 10, 2014, 06:26:20 PM
As a general rule of thumb, if an RPG has 'anime nonsense' (I.E: Overused tropes, excessive fanservice, ect.) in it, add 10-15% to the score to account for reviewer's bias as the Demon Gaze review seems to proves it does destroy their objectivity towards the rest of the content. That seems to balance it out with that the community feels on average from what I've seen in the posts around here.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: dagas on May 11, 2014, 04:07:58 AM
As a general rule of thumb, if an RPG has 'anime nonsense' (I.E: Overused tropes, excessive fanservice, ect.) in it, add 10-15% to the score to account for reviewer's bias as the Demon Gaze review seems to proves it does destroy their objectivity towards the rest of the content. That seems to balance it out with that the community feels on average from what I've seen in the posts around here.

Yes. Here is a qoute from Polygon "As if the game's drab gameplay wasn't enough to turn me away, Conception 2's underage eroticism is alienating and just plain icky. Animated scenes feel like an ode to upskirts, and the game has enough boob jiggling to give me whiplash. It's a trashy, thoroughly underwhelming experience I cannot wait to forget." The fan service definatly lowered to score there. I mean 4/10, seriously?

Even Atelier Rorona was talked about like this. This is from the IGN review. "It's almost worth picking up Atelier Rorona for the story. Almost. This is one of those boundary pushing, dances the line between funny and creepy, RPGs. Whether it's Rorona's master that makes jokes about molesting her while she sleeps, or the nice shopkeeper who gets drunk and actually does molest her, everyone wants a piece of Rorona. The American version changed the character's ages, making Rorona 17 instead of 14, but that only barely makes things better." 5/10.

Sure the Atelier games have a bit of fan service but I've never felt it was creepy. Maybe I've just watched enough anime to understand that kind of jokes as that, jokes.

I'm sick of reviewers giving out bad scores because they consider all Japanese games as creepy.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: ZeronHitaro on May 11, 2014, 06:46:39 AM
Well let's be fair to western society here.

Astrid is 26.
Rorolina is 14 (even if you factor in NA trying to 'age up' her the physical body, thanks to the art choice, made her 'look' more like 12).

Even 'joking' about molestation with that kinda age gap is potentially felony material between two real people if you have a hard nosed enough DA.

Up the nervousness factor a bit when you consider said game lets you stick Rorona in swimsuits and nighties for cutscenes.

You quite literally have what anyone raised in the west would interpret as a pedo scene that 'condones' the creeper.
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Is that what it is in context? Not 'quite' so much in spirit since it's just a trope that the East takes for granted.

But you can't blame anyone raised on this side of the ocean for throwing up a red flag.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on May 11, 2014, 08:02:15 AM
Yes. Here is a qoute from Polygon "As if the game's drab gameplay wasn't enough to turn me away, Conception 2's underage eroticism is alienating and just plain icky. Animated scenes feel like an ode to upskirts, and the game has enough boob jiggling to give me whiplash. It's a trashy, thoroughly underwhelming experience I cannot wait to forget." The fan service definatly lowered to score there. I mean 4/10, seriously?
To be fair, late in the game the classmating scenes do cross over all kinds of lines, so I can totally see that making people uncomfortable. Me? I just laughed my ass off because I found it hilarious that they went there.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on May 12, 2014, 12:30:46 AM
Being concerned about morality in videogames like this seems kinda silly to me anyway. There are tons of games where you murder people constantly and no one is like "oh but that's awful cause that's not legal irl" :P
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Ranadiel on May 12, 2014, 07:04:20 AM
Being concerned about morality in videogames like this seems kinda silly to me anyway. There are tons of games where you murder people constantly and no one is like "oh but that's awful cause that's not legal irl" :P
That is because, in the U.S., our culture is rooted in the ideas of the Puritans. Specifically that the human body is sinful and viewing it is also shameful, so anything relating that has an extra layer of shame that makes Americans a little more uncomfortable. Meanwhile America has also managed to fetishize violence (not sure if we can blame the Puritans for this one or not), so anything related to violence gets a layer of "cool" attached to it.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: Annubis on May 12, 2014, 08:18:02 AM
Being concerned about morality in videogames like this seems kinda silly to me anyway. There are tons of games where you murder people constantly and no one is like "oh but that's awful cause that's not legal irl" :P

That's why in Germany you kill robots. Robots have no rights (yet)
Same for zombies... and weirdly Nazis.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: dagas on May 15, 2014, 01:52:57 AM
Yes. Here is a qoute from Polygon "As if the game's drab gameplay wasn't enough to turn me away, Conception 2's underage eroticism is alienating and just plain icky. Animated scenes feel like an ode to upskirts, and the game has enough boob jiggling to give me whiplash. It's a trashy, thoroughly underwhelming experience I cannot wait to forget." The fan service definatly lowered to score there. I mean 4/10, seriously?
To be fair, late in the game the classmating scenes do cross over all kinds of lines, so I can totally see that making people uncomfortable. Me? I just laughed my ass off because I found it hilarious that they went there.

You have a point. Here in Sweden they passed a law a few years ago making it illegal to own any material about children being sexualized even manga or anime and such. Dead or Alive Dimensions on the 3DS did not came out here because the publisher was afraid of that law since Kasumi has big bouncing boobs despite being underage according to the manual. But then publishers stopped freaking out and later DoA games have come out here, guess they took the age out of the manual or something.

I guess it is because I am used to anime that I don't see it as something horrible anymore. At least not in that anime style that these games are. I just think "haha she is such a pervert haha" and laugh about it. It would be different if it was realistic graphics. If Marcus from Gears of War would joke about molesting a 12 year old I would be super creeped out I am sure.

My point games should be reviewed by people who like that style of game. You don't put someone who hates sports to review a sport game and say "football sucks". But it seems almost no review site have anyone who is into these kinds of games. Dynesty Warriors fans have the same problem, their games always get bad reviews too, although I understand that but that is because those games are not for me but I also understand the people who love them how upset they are that every Dynasty Warriors and games like it gets mediocre scores at best.

atelier ayesha was great and that game had very little sexualized content, especially since I used default costumes and did not download the swimsuits. Totori have a bit more with that swimsuit competetion and such but these games are good even without any of the sexualized stuff and that is what reviewers need to see. That they need to look past that and look at the game.
Title: Re: Conception II
Post by: TiamatNM on May 15, 2014, 02:52:03 AM
My point games should be reviewed by people who like that style of game. You don't put someone who hates sports to review a sport game and say "football sucks". But it seems almost no review site have anyone who is into these kinds of games. Dynesty Warriors fans have the same problem, their games always get bad reviews too, although I understand that but that is because those games are not for me but I also understand the people who love them how upset they are that every Dynasty Warriors and games like it gets mediocre scores at best.

Yup, I can't wait for Monster Monpiece reviews.