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Title: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 17, 2015, 10:20:21 AM
As the FFXV thread tries to rerail itself after a Dissidia announcement, it became apparent that there's definitely a need for an FF general discussion thread for weird games that don't quite deserver their own thread like Mobius Final Fantasy, Dissidia Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy Record Keeper and likely many more.

So chat away...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on April 17, 2015, 07:17:03 PM
How much do we know that SE might make PS4 port for Dissidia? I never played Dissidia on the PSP so I'd be interested in trying a Dissidia game out.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 17, 2015, 08:00:10 PM
How much do we know that SE might make PS4 port for Dissidia? I never played Dissidia on the PSP so I'd be interested in trying a Dissidia game out.

For one, they're making it on PS4 hardware. (http://gematsu.com/2015/04/dissidia-final-fantasy-arcade-special-trailer-arcade-vs-ps4-comparison)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on April 17, 2015, 09:48:04 PM
I have a copy of Fantasy General. I need to play that sometime.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on April 18, 2015, 12:07:22 AM
The bigger mystery is if it will be released on the West.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 18, 2015, 12:29:46 AM
The bigger mystery is if it will be released on the West.

Of course its coming to the west. What do you think this is? A JRPG?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: CoreSignal on April 18, 2015, 02:19:59 AM
I've played very little of the Dissidia games but this looks really fun. I'm willing to give it a shot.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on April 18, 2015, 04:00:33 AM
The bigger mystery is if it will be released on the West.

Of course its coming to the west. What do you think this is? A JRPG?
You never know. Japanese companies can be mysterious.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on April 18, 2015, 08:56:58 AM
i suspect SE wants a piece of the tournament scene. and theres also rumblings of a partnership between SE and capcom.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on April 19, 2015, 09:53:23 PM
VI, IX, VII, XII, XIII, IV, V, X, VIII...

Shit, is that not what this thread is for?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 19, 2015, 11:01:58 PM
You never know. Japanese companies can be mysterious.

You probably forgot that we are talking about Final Fantasy here and not Dragon Quest. So, yeah.

i suspect SE wants a piece of the tournament scene. and theres also rumblings of a partnership between SE and capcom.

Gunslinger Stratos 2 got Street Fighter costumes. Based on that most likely Capcom is gonna have FF costumes for SFV. Now, the partnership being more than just that? We can only guess really.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 20, 2015, 12:29:12 AM
VI, IX, VII, XII, XIII, IV, V, X, VIII...

Shit, is that not what this thread is for?


Who said it wasn't?

Though lets try to keep game tiering battles down to a dull roar. They tend to lead towards circular arguments.

That said, FFIII is woefully underrated.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Ranadiel on April 20, 2015, 07:07:51 AM
Who said it wasn't?

Though lets try to keep game tiering battles down to a dull roar. They tend to lead towards circular arguments.

That said, FFIII is woefully underrated.
You know I think FFIII is the only one I haven't pla....oh wait no I've played it. I just block that from my memory most of the time. I'd probably end up putting it in the bottom third of FFs because I did not enjoy the remake when I played it (hated it so much that I put it down for half a year+ after getting to the first or second dungeon as I recall).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on April 20, 2015, 08:22:12 AM
I do think FF3 is underrated, but only in the sense that I'd rate it somewhere in the lower middle than dead last.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on April 20, 2015, 08:24:53 AM
Who said it wasn't?

Though lets try to keep game tiering battles down to a dull roar. They tend to lead towards circular arguments.

That said, FFIII is woefully underrated.
You know I think FFIII is the only one I haven't pla....oh wait no I've played it. I just block that from my memory most of the time. I'd probably end up putting it in the bottom third of FFs because I did not enjoy the remake when I played it (hated it so much that I put it down for half a year+ after getting to the first or second dungeon as I recall).

I haven't touched I-III.  And I have no plans to do so.  Something, something, I don't have the patience for NES titles.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on April 20, 2015, 08:29:39 AM
The sky high random encounter rate really doesn't help them either.
That sounds like something someone may have modded though.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 20, 2015, 09:46:10 AM
Sorry, I should've clarified that I'm referring to the NES original and not the terrible DS remake and its myriad of ports.

Yes, FFIII is incredibly oldschool, but really, its only because of a few glaring problems that hold the game back than anything else, and it had several clever ideas that were either used later on or woefully abandoned and not given a second thought. Basically, FFIII needed to not make enemies in those Mini/Toad dungeons so powerful that you can't really deal with them while in those statuses, tone down some of the AoE attacks that some bosses like Salamander and Garuda have, really tone down those splitting enemies in the Ancient Cave and Cave of Darkness, and add a save point to at least the top of the Crystal Tower (not that it really matters since the tower itself isn't terribly long if you know what you are doing and ever bother to turn around and save after cleaning the place out of loot; the World of Darkness is the real issue and that's partly due to it being beyond the point of no return).

The ideas that it had that should've seen more use across the series is stuff like using party morphing status effects to actually morph the party at points and let them proceed (status effects stopped altering your overworld appearance all together by FFVII), Jobs having field abilities on top of battle abilities (FFV was the last numbered game to have that; though that's more due to the fact that Jobs themselves wound up getting folded into whatever conferred abilities like GFs and Sphere Grids and the like), spell levels/charges instead of just MP (a lot of otherwise useless spell chafe can end up being actually useful under this system, like when you're plowing through the final dungeon on your attack run and you didn't want to deal with bullshit like mage enemies throwing out insta-death spells, suddenly all those now relatively useless level 4 spells with crap like Ifrit, Ice 3, Shade, Break, Libro, Confu and Mute might find a use, especially when you consider how many dozens of charges level 4 spells have at the end of the game compared to your more valuable/useful level 8 spells; compare that to a game like FFVI where most spells become worthless due to the presence of the Economizer or your hundreds of MP and a super cheap and effective Osmose).

Of course, I'm not saying that all games should've had these, but it wouldn't have hurt to have mixed it up more once in a while instead of turning every game since into a race towards getting Ultima/Meteor/Bahamut/Knights of the Round/Cure 3/Curaga/Curaja/Life 2/Full-Life/Holy, while traversing the fields/dungeons slowly turned into cutscene roller-coasters.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 22, 2015, 08:25:57 AM
Anyone else have balls for luck with the Auction house in III/VI? Was playing yesterday for a friend and I had a devil of a time getting the Magicites...

Don't watch this one in full, it's just proof of what happened before hand. (http://www.hitbox.tv/video/495198/description)

In summary I kept getting chocobo after chocobo after chocobo...and allllll those Cure Rings. Which, by the way, ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE A 6.5% CHANCE SPAWN! ~////~;

So after getting irritated and looking up % generation rates I decided to abuse the fast forward feature and plug in some Youtube music.

Guess how long it still took? (http://www.hitbox.tv/video/494881/description)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: timmyFd on April 22, 2015, 10:52:45 AM
Reminds me of the rare item spawn rate in FF12 that was like 0.5% or something. Just maddeningly terrible game design.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on April 22, 2015, 11:00:43 AM
Reminds me of the rare item spawn rate in FF12 that was like 0.5% or something. Just maddeningly terrible game design.

That's after you build up a kill combo of 256! God was that a terrible design decision!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: timmyFd on April 22, 2015, 11:47:36 AM
Reminds me of the rare item spawn rate in FF12 that was like 0.5% or something. Just maddeningly terrible game design.

That's after you build up a kill combo of 256! God was that a terrible design decision!

Was it? I don't even remember that. I just remember spending days getting the Tournesol (I think was called. The most powerful sword) by having to repeatedly open chests in various locations.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 22, 2015, 01:08:42 PM
Reminds me of the rare item spawn rate in FF12 that was like 0.5% or something. Just maddeningly terrible game design.

That's after you build up a kill combo of 256! God was that a terrible design decision!

Was it? I don't even remember that. I just remember spending days getting the Tournesol (I think was called. The most powerful sword) by having to repeatedly open chests in various locations.

FFXII was loaded with terrible design decisions when it came to loot/equipment. You had things like:

- The Zodiac Spear, which you could find in a chest late in the game, 'IF' you didn't open very specific and very unmarked chests throughout the game (you might as well have not bothered to open any of them since most were filled with crap anyways).
- The Diamond Armlet, with its very description stating to wear this to improve the quality of loot found in chests, except in the case of the chests in the ostentatiously final dungeon where wearing said accessory guarantees garbage. This is never mentioned in game.
- The above with the knife, and so many other stealables from 'this one rare enemy you only get one shot at fighting'.
- The Bazaar, where you sell off enemy drops to make certain loot available for purchase. Among these are rare items like High Arcana that are required for really rare weapons and armor, but can also be used to make an Elixir or a Megaelixir which aren't nearly as useful, among other items. And you don't know what a recipe requires until you've completed it.
- The Genji Equipment, which are all stolen from Gilgamesh. He's the only enemy in the game whom you can steal multiple items from during the same fight (when you lower his HP beyond a certain threshold, a cutscene will play and his stealable loot table changes). Knowing this during the first fight with Gilgamesh is the only way to get the Genji Glove, by far the best accessory in the game.
- The Chests in the final dungeon have only a certain percentage of even appearing to begin with. Some of which are really hard and time consuming to get to. They themselves only have a very small chance of containing anything of value.

Also why did the two plot swords you get have to be almost total garbage when you get your first one (and the second isn't any better)?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on April 22, 2015, 01:39:16 PM
Dear lord I was wondering why I didn't give FF12 another chance, and that kinda sealed the deal....  That and needing a goddamn license to wear a hat. >:(
DAMN YOU FICTIONAL GOVERNMENT....DAAAAAAMMMMN YOOOOOOOOUUU
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 22, 2015, 01:49:42 PM
Dear lord I was wondering why I didn't give FF12 another chance, and that kinda sealed the deal....  That and needing a goddamn license to wear a hat. >:(
DAMN YOU FICTIONAL GOVERNMENT....DAAAAAAMMMMN YOOOOOOOOUUU

The Licenses weren't so bad if you A) weren't looking for specific character builds and B) knew to go after Traits and Quickenings ASAP, since those actually gave you permanent boosts, and gear was so fucking expensive/hard to come by that after a while you bought the license once you got the gear rather than the other way around (and the Golden Armlet made getting JP easy enough to be able to buy whatever you needed once you maxed out the Traits).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on April 22, 2015, 01:54:59 PM
Also, High Arcanas can only be stolen from unique monster hunts and the quantity needed to craft the best gear is almost equal to the number of steal-able ones.
Of course, the odd of stealing an High Arcana is very low and even worst, the High Arcanas are often the RARE steal. This mean that if you steal the NORMAL steal (often an Arcana) you have to restart the battle.
The odds of a rare steal are 1-5% usually but they can be boosted by chaining enemies before the encounter. Thus, you end up having to chain 100s of enemies, try the boss, get the normal steal, reset, chain 100s of enemies, try the boss, fail again, reset, ad nauseum.

And yes, the best weapons are both 2-handed swords (Tournesol and Excalibur). After that all the other weapons are kinda far enough behind that it doesn't really matter what you put on the 3rd character... and by that I mean you don't care if you put the gun, ninja sword, katana or spear... because all the best ones of each of the other weapon types suck really bad.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 22, 2015, 03:46:05 PM
Also, High Arcanas can only be stolen from unique monster hunts and the quantity needed to craft the best gear is almost equal to the number of steal-able ones.
Of course, the odd of stealing an High Arcana is very low and even worst, the High Arcanas are often the RARE steal. This mean that if you steal the NORMAL steal (often an Arcana) you have to restart the battle.
The odds of a rare steal are 1-5% usually but they can be boosted by chaining enemies before the encounter. Thus, you end up having to chain 100s of enemies, try the boss, get the normal steal, reset, chain 100s of enemies, try the boss, fail again, reset, ad nauseum.

And yes, the best weapons are both 2-handed swords (Tournesol and Excalibur). After that all the other weapons are kinda far enough behind that it doesn't really matter what you put on the 3rd character... and by that I mean you don't care if you put the gun, ninja sword, katana or spear... because all the best ones of each of the other weapon types suck really bad.

The Masamune can be really good if paired with the Genji Glove for maximum attack chains (bonus points for getting one from a hunt), and the Zodiac Spear is at least really powerful if you can get it, but it isn't worth reseting the game over if you don't. But yeah, the rest of the weapons aren't really good enough to warrant having the best in them. What you really want on your weapons are added effects like Deathbringer's insta-KO or elemental damage.

For Armor, you want shit that gives good stat boosts for what you're trying to do (Str for damage dealers, Spd or Mag for everyone else) since that's where 90% of your build's stat specialization are coming from.


That said, an addendum to my previous post. You can save yourself the effort of having to track down a few rare items if you hold off on buying a Bazaar item until you've unlocked all the items that require that particular material (for instance, the Masamune and the Tournesol both require Gemsteel as a material component; if you hold off on buying the Masamune until you acquire 3x Empyhreal Souls and 3x Serpentariuses, you will only need 3x Gemsteel instead of 5x.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on April 22, 2015, 04:11:47 PM
FFXII in 5 easy steps:
1) get quickening as fast as possible (almost at the expense of everything else)
2) Do hunts LOTS OF HUNTS (possibly ALL the hunts if you can stomach the never ending Yiazmat fight) as soon as they become available you're fairly certain you're prepared for it. 
3) pick a core group and stick with them as early in the game as possible (even Penelo is useful once she's gloriously over leveled). 
4) Do NOT ignore the gambit system.  People who do this are insane and irritate me almost as much as all the people who complain about FFXIII's paradigm shift system yet never bothered to use it correctly (and instead just tried to enter in commands manually and wound up dying 100's of time because they were too slow)
5) I still have no idea how I ended up dumping 96 hours into a game with so little plot/an almost pointless antagonist/the literal worst main character in major RPG history.


edit: I mostly ignored espers until I found out about how much they directly connect to the story in FF Tactics  .I'm pretty sure their existence in XII is proof that, even though the technology is far more advanced, that game took place many years before Tactics (WHEN DO WE GET TO FIND OUT ABOUT WHAT CAUSED THE CATACLYSM??).  So then I had to go back through and get most of them right before the final dungeon.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 22, 2015, 05:28:05 PM
FFXII in 5 easy steps:
1) get quickening as fast as possible (almost at the expense of everything else)
2) Do hunts LOTS OF HUNTS (possibly ALL the hunts if you can stomach the never ending Yiazmat fight) as soon as they become available you're fairly certain you're prepared for it. 
3) pick a core group and stick with them as early in the game as possible (even Penelo is useful once she's gloriously over leveled). 
4) Do NOT ignore the gambit system.  People who do this are insane and irritate me almost as much as all the people who complain about FFXIII's paradigm shift system yet never bothered to use it correctly (and instead just tried to enter in commands manually and wound up dying 100's of time because they were too slow)
5) I still have no idea how I ended up dumping 96 hours into a game with so little plot/an almost pointless antagonist/the literal worst main character in major RPG history.


edit: I mostly ignored espers until I found out about how much they directly connect to the story in FF Tactics  .I'm pretty sure their existence in XII is proof that, even though the technology is far more advanced, that game took place many years before Tactics (WHEN DO WE GET TO FIND OUT ABOUT WHAT CAUSED THE CATACLYSM??).  So then I had to go back through and get most of them right before the final dungeon.


Well if you count the Lunar series as a whole as a major RPG series, then no, Vaan is by far and away not the worst JRPG protagonist in a major RPG.

Then again, even if we ignore Lunar Dragon Song, we still have some of the Grandia games (namely 3, though 1's Justin is pretty boring/lame), Wild ARMs 5, Xenosaga 3 (goddammit Shion), White Knight Chronicles (though this is debatable as these games did not turn out to be a major RPG series; thankfully), Star Ocean 4 (the name Edge Maverick was the only good thing about that character) and possibly Star Ocean 3 (Fayt doesn't really win any awards for exceeding competence, even when armed with bullshit plot lasers out of fucking nowhere) among others (depending on what you define 'major RPG series' as) who rank (and stank) worse than Vaan could've hoped to.

After all, while one can argue that Vaan shouldn't have been made in the first place, outside of some occasional derpery, he really didn't do all that much to hijack the plot or hog the spotlight, at the very least (then again, he didn't exactly drive the plot past the start either, almost like the devs wrote him as a goddamn Stealth Protagonist who forgot that he's already the Main Character, and instead turned around and had him abandon the plot's driving wheel, which Ashe eventually stepped in and took over, because what would Star Wars do when Luke and Han weren't driving the plot).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on April 22, 2015, 05:41:05 PM
I still can't believe the plot of that game. I'm less annoyed by it now, but I mean COME ON

At one point The PRINCESS is KIDNAPPED by the EMPIRE, and McPROTAGONIST joins up with the DASHING ROGUE and his FURRY PARTNER to save her.

I realize a lot of people argue that most fantasy stories copy the formula that Star Wars itself copies, but that scene alone should make folks roll their eyes.

Not to mention the fact that the Emperor's right hand man is an injured war hero in full black armor and the final battle is an all out assault to take down the Empire's WMD.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on April 22, 2015, 06:22:24 PM
FFXII in 5 easy steps:
1) get quickening as fast as possible (almost at the expense of everything else)
2) Do hunts LOTS OF HUNTS (possibly ALL the hunts if you can stomach the never ending Yiazmat fight) as soon as they become available you're fairly certain you're prepared for it. 
3) pick a core group and stick with them as early in the game as possible (even Penelo is useful once she's gloriously over leveled). 
4) Do NOT ignore the gambit system.  People who do this are insane and irritate me almost as much as all the people who complain about FFXIII's paradigm shift system yet never bothered to use it correctly (and instead just tried to enter in commands manually and wound up dying 100's of time because they were too slow)
5) I still have no idea how I ended up dumping 96 hours into a game with so little plot/an almost pointless antagonist/the literal worst main character in major RPG history.


edit: I mostly ignored espers until I found out about how much they directly connect to the story in FF Tactics  .I'm pretty sure their existence in XII is proof that, even though the technology is far more advanced, that game took place many years before Tactics (WHEN DO WE GET TO FIND OUT ABOUT WHAT CAUSED THE CATACLYSM??).  So then I had to go back through and get most of them right before the final dungeon.


Well if you count the Lunar series as a whole as a major RPG series, then no, Vaan is by far and away not the worst JRPG protagonist in a major RPG.

Then again, even if we ignore Lunar Dragon Song, we still have some of the Grandia games (namely 3, though 1's Justin is pretty boring/lame), Wild ARMs 5, Xenosaga 3 (goddammit Shion), White Knight Chronicles (though this is debatable as these games did not turn out to be a major RPG series; thankfully), Star Ocean 4 (the name Edge Maverick was the only good thing about that character) and possibly Star Ocean 3 (Fayt doesn't really win any awards for exceeding competence, even when armed with bullshit plot lasers out of fucking nowhere) among others (depending on what you define 'major RPG series' as) who rank (and stank) worse than Vaan could've hoped to.

After all, while one can argue that Vaan shouldn't have been made in the first place, outside of some occasional derpery, he really didn't do all that much to hijack the plot or hog the spotlight, at the very least (then again, he didn't exactly drive the plot past the start either, almost like the devs wrote him as a goddamn Stealth Protagonist who forgot that he's already the Main Character, and instead turned around and had him abandon the plot's driving wheel, which Ashe eventually stepped in and took over, because what would Star Wars do when Luke and Han weren't driving the plot).

At least Justin actually has a purpose the entire game (explore new parts of the world and then save it) and Yuki is basically Justin except with airplanes.  Both of those two are bottomless pits of good guy pluck and resolve.  Neither (pretty decent) game could really go anywhere without them.  If FFXII killed off Vaan after the first 10 hours and just made Balthier the new protagonist it wouldn't have made much of a difference.  He is the 'worst' protagonist because, in a game that lacks many compelling characters, he is about the 4th or 5th most important.

Being nearly irrelevant in YOUR OWN GAME trumps being stupid or annoying in a game you are still central to the plot of.

edit: now that I think about it, killing off a protagonist and then replacing them with a new one part way through sounds like a great idea.  If placed in the right game, and if done correctly (and kept sufficiently under wraps ) that could turn into a really compelling narrative.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 22, 2015, 09:32:20 PM
FFXII in 5 easy steps:
1) get quickening as fast as possible (almost at the expense of everything else)
2) Do hunts LOTS OF HUNTS (possibly ALL the hunts if you can stomach the never ending Yiazmat fight) as soon as they become available you're fairly certain you're prepared for it. 
3) pick a core group and stick with them as early in the game as possible (even Penelo is useful once she's gloriously over leveled). 
4) Do NOT ignore the gambit system.  People who do this are insane and irritate me almost as much as all the people who complain about FFXIII's paradigm shift system yet never bothered to use it correctly (and instead just tried to enter in commands manually and wound up dying 100's of time because they were too slow)
5) I still have no idea how I ended up dumping 96 hours into a game with so little plot/an almost pointless antagonist/the literal worst main character in major RPG history.


edit: I mostly ignored espers until I found out about how much they directly connect to the story in FF Tactics  .I'm pretty sure their existence in XII is proof that, even though the technology is far more advanced, that game took place many years before Tactics (WHEN DO WE GET TO FIND OUT ABOUT WHAT CAUSED THE CATACLYSM??).  So then I had to go back through and get most of them right before the final dungeon.


Well if you count the Lunar series as a whole as a major RPG series, then no, Vaan is by far and away not the worst JRPG protagonist in a major RPG.

Then again, even if we ignore Lunar Dragon Song, we still have some of the Grandia games (namely 3, though 1's Justin is pretty boring/lame), Wild ARMs 5, Xenosaga 3 (goddammit Shion), White Knight Chronicles (though this is debatable as these games did not turn out to be a major RPG series; thankfully), Star Ocean 4 (the name Edge Maverick was the only good thing about that character) and possibly Star Ocean 3 (Fayt doesn't really win any awards for exceeding competence, even when armed with bullshit plot lasers out of fucking nowhere) among others (depending on what you define 'major RPG series' as) who rank (and stank) worse than Vaan could've hoped to.

After all, while one can argue that Vaan shouldn't have been made in the first place, outside of some occasional derpery, he really didn't do all that much to hijack the plot or hog the spotlight, at the very least (then again, he didn't exactly drive the plot past the start either, almost like the devs wrote him as a goddamn Stealth Protagonist who forgot that he's already the Main Character, and instead turned around and had him abandon the plot's driving wheel, which Ashe eventually stepped in and took over, because what would Star Wars do when Luke and Han weren't driving the plot).

At least Justin actually has a purpose the entire game (explore new parts of the world and then save it) and Yuki is basically Justin except with airplanes.  Both of those two are bottomless pits of good guy pluck and resolve.  Neither (pretty decent) game could really go anywhere without them.  If FFXII killed off Vaan after the first 10 hours and just made Balthier the new protagonist it wouldn't have made much of a difference.  He is the 'worst' protagonist because, in a game that lacks many compelling characters, he is about the 4th or 5th most important.

Being nearly irrelevant in YOUR OWN GAME trumps being stupid or annoying in a game you are still central to the plot of.

edit: now that I think about it, killing off a protagonist and then replacing them with a new one part way through sounds like a great idea.  If placed in the right game, and if done correctly (and kept sufficiently under wraps ) that could turn into a really compelling narrative.

I've always felt that a lot of Justin's and Yuki's accomplishments just kinda fell into their respective laps. Like sure, they went on an adventure, much like a 5 year old goes on an adventure across their neighborhood.

Well anyways, by that criteria, that knocks out Grandia, Xenosaga and Star Ocean (and as loathed as I am to admit it, but also Lunar: Dragon Song; seriously, the only people more incompetent than your MC is the rest of your goddamn party; though they themselves were still more competent the actual makers of the piece of shit that is Lunar: Dragon Song), but you still haven't accounted for White Knight Chronicles (or how Leonard was such an incompetent dipshit that he got benched for the majority of the sequel; given how actively detrimental he was in the first game and how stock cliche driven the duology was, the guy was could've been replaced by the player's Avatar and nothing of value would've been lost the games would've been the better for it). Vaan is still better than that guy.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Ranadiel on April 23, 2015, 07:06:58 AM
*checks thread, sees FF12 hate, is overjoyed* All I can really add at this point is that as far as I am concerned, it is the worst FF game. Damn single player MMO.

Oh and the ultimate final boss was ridiculous, stupid thing took over an hour to kill even dealing max damage with every attack....okay I think I recall he actually cut the damage to 1/3 or something, so I guess technically it wasn't max damage with every attack.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Blace on April 23, 2015, 10:42:51 AM
Just coming in here to say I love FFXII to quell all the hate and find it laughable to think it is the worst FF game. FF2 cannot be dethroned. Now I'm done haha.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on April 23, 2015, 11:01:20 AM
I never played White Knight Chronicles (and probably never will), so I'll have to concede that one to you, Aeolus.

And even with all of its glaring flaws, FFXII still makes it into my top 5 main line Final Fantasy titles.  I could even make a case for it being in my top 3 (behind VI and IX, of course) on account of it holding up much better than VII when replayed years later.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on April 23, 2015, 11:03:46 AM
Ultimately, I enjoyed my time with FF12, I just could never be bothered to go back to it after doing all but the last two hunts and getting all the summons.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Hathen on April 23, 2015, 11:37:22 AM
I enjoyed 12 as well. Better to be ambitious and flawed than to be banal, I say.

Also I'm probably one of like 4 people on this board who played XI for the better part of a decade so that probably influences that too. Didn't mind the combat at all.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on April 23, 2015, 12:59:15 PM
SAVE THE DATE EVERYONE... or tune in or something!

(http://na.square-enix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/post-image/image_gallery/812/75d87dcf57e9610b84a1607b6d6f6d1a.jpg)

Curious if new stuff or FF15 and KH3 mainly.  Hopefully this year's E3 has a lot of new stuff to announce, I'd like to think we're over the "new console" hurdle and we get into some seriously cool shtuff.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: timmyFd on April 23, 2015, 01:12:52 PM


FFXII was loaded with terrible design decisions when it came to loot/equipment. You had things like:

- The Zodiac Spear, which you could find in a chest late in the game, 'IF' you didn't open very specific and very unmarked chests throughout the game (you might as well have not bothered to open any of them since most were filled with crap anyways).


Haha speak for yourself, I got it wayyyyy early on thanks to accidentally reading a guide.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 23, 2015, 01:19:11 PM
I enjoyed 12 as well. Better to be ambitious and flawed than to be banal, I say.

Also I'm probably one of like 4 people on this board who played XI for the better part of a decade so that probably influences that too. Didn't mind the combat at all.

Hey now, just because I hate certain parts of FFXII doesn't mean that I hate the whole thing. I still think the Gambit System should be used in more RPGs, the exploration was pretty cool at points (even if ultimately for the sake of Espers and Marks), the plot itself was pretty ambitious (if not necessarily concerning your party for any great length) and as far as stealth protagonists go, Ashe is one of the least obnoxious.


I never played White Knight Chronicles (and probably never will), so I'll have to concede that one to you, Aeolus.

And even with all of its glaring flaws, FFXII still makes it into my top 5 main line Final Fantasy titles.  I could even make a case for it being in my top 3 (behind VI and IX, of course) on account of it holding up much better than VII when replayed years later.

In all honesty, I probably should've picked a better example like FFVI. That game, while ostentatiously granting Terra the role of MC (for the ending credits and everything thereafter), didn't really grant it to her alone but also Celes and Locke, both of whom took control of the plot at certain points. Granted, Terra was more a demonstration on what would happen if the mysterious waif female lead was actually the MC for once instead of just another damsel in distress, but she still got distressed on more than one occasion and had to leave the party for a goodly chunk of the first half and was wholly optional for the second. Vaan at least, never had to leave the party (no matter how much we'd rather have Fran or Ashe as the party leader in cities and villages).

Though on that note, Cloud also left the party for a brief stretch, leaving Cid (and Tifa I guess) to pilot the party for a while, but that's closer to a brief reprieve compared to Terra's absence, especially since getting him back in your party was plot mandatory (compared to Terra's "I must go now for the ending sequence needs me.").
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: timmyFd on April 23, 2015, 02:37:03 PM
Vaan at least, never had to leave the party (no matter how much we'd rather have Fran or Ashe as the party leader in cities and villages).


Given that we all know FF12 was actually Star Wars, I think it's undeniable that Vaan and Penelo were playing the roles of R2D2 and C3PO
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 23, 2015, 07:25:04 PM
*checks thread, sees FF12 hate, is overjoyed* All I can really add at this point is that as far as I am concerned, it is the worst FF game. Damn single player MMO.


Being in the middle of a recent playthrough I'd actually argue FF6 - US SNES Version is a better contender. Typos everywhere, horrid localization (which translates to terribly laughable character moments), rancid monster design (starting from about the Esper Cave onwards every enemy has some sort of 'gimmick' that makes them far harder than they need to be to kill), the FLOATING ISLAND ZONE HOLY HELL, Esper Magic grinding is worse than even FF8's drawing, I don't even want to imagine leveling up in this game without 'Fast Forward' mode (spent 3+ real time hours with mostly fast forward down getting 5 party members into the 70's; and because of Kefka's tower I need at least 12)...ect, ect.

FF12 put me to sleep. FF6 is stealing my kidneys after drugging me.

Honestly I believe anyone who speaks highly of 'this' version hasn't played it since they were a kid. >.<

As a side note, funnily enough Terra is just as bad as Vaan in the 'contributes nothing to the main plot' yet no one ever mentions this. The Returners would be doing their thing without her and eventually Locke would've run into Celes, giving movement to the rest of the plot. Literally the only thing Terra contributes that any other party member wouldn't have done is open the Esper Door. But according to the plot they were 'just sitting there waiting' anyway. So as soon as something opened the door the empire razing flame fest was going to happen regardless. Delete Terra, give Celes most of her role; plot goes unchanged.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew on April 23, 2015, 07:49:50 PM
Imma let you finish, but Warrior of Light is the most story irrelevant FF character ever.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on April 23, 2015, 08:15:40 PM
Imma let you finish, but Warrior of Light is the most story irrelevant FF character ever.

(http://i.imgur.com/Vh6M0ws.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew on April 23, 2015, 08:17:05 PM
Lol! That is amazing.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 23, 2015, 08:22:08 PM
Admittedly I'm guilty of not playing the original two. I had the FF Origins disk in High School but really just couldn't get into either. Maybe I should at least give the first one a go someday. I hear 2's just pretty much abusing the stat system for an hour then making cake of the rest of the experience.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew on April 23, 2015, 08:24:15 PM
I played #1 in... 2010ish on PSP for the first time and really enjoyed it. #2 I could never get into.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on April 23, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
*checks thread, sees FF12 hate, is overjoyed* All I can really add at this point is that as far as I am concerned, it is the worst FF game. Damn single player MMO.


Being in the middle of a recent playthrough I'd actually argue FF6 - US SNES Version is a better contender. Typos everywhere, horrid localization (which translates to terribly laughable character moments), rancid monster design (starting from about the Esper Cave onwards every enemy has some sort of 'gimmick' that makes them far harder than they need to be to kill), the FLOATING ISLAND ZONE HOLY HELL, Esper Magic grinding is worse than even FF8's drawing, I don't even want to imagine leveling up in this game without 'Fast Forward' mode (spent 3+ real time hours with mostly fast forward down getting 5 party members into the 70's; and because of Kefka's tower I need at least 12)...ect, ect.

FF12 put me to sleep. FF6 is stealing my kidneys after drugging me.

Honestly I believe anyone who speaks highly of 'this' version hasn't played it since they were a kid. >.<

As a side note, funnily enough Terra is just as bad as Vaan in the 'contributes nothing to the main plot' yet no one ever mentions this. The Returners would be doing their thing without her and eventually Locke would've run into Celes, giving movement to the rest of the plot. Literally the only thing Terra contributes that any other party member wouldn't have done is open the Esper Door. But according to the plot they were 'just sitting there waiting' anyway. So as soon as something opened the door the empire razing flame fest was going to happen regardless. Delete Terra, give Celes most of her role; plot goes unchanged.

This would make sense if Kefka wasn't in the top 2 or 3 for greatest villains in the history of RPG's.  And the reason no one mentions Terra being a terrible protagonist is because A) she shares the lead with Celes and Locke (as mentioned above) and B) she isn't terrible at all.  Her backstory is gutwrenching,
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on April 24, 2015, 12:00:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsjzcT1QKYs

i'm late on the party but revelant????
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 24, 2015, 01:48:39 AM
As a side note, funnily enough Terra is just as bad as Vaan in the 'contributes nothing to the main plot' yet no one ever mentions this.

In all honesty, I probably should've picked a better example like FFVI. That game, while ostentatiously granting Terra the role of MC (for the ending credits and everything thereafter), didn't really grant it to her alone but also Celes and Locke, both of whom took control of the plot at certain points. Granted, Terra was more a demonstration on what would happen if the mysterious waif female lead was actually the MC for once instead of just another damsel in distress, but she still got distressed on more than one occasion and had to leave the party for a goodly chunk of the first half and was wholly optional for the second. Vaan at least, never had to leave the party (no matter how much we'd rather have Fran or Ashe as the party leader in cities and villages).

Though on that note, Cloud also left the party for a brief stretch, leaving Cid (and Tifa I guess) to pilot the party for a while, but that's closer to a brief reprieve compared to Terra's absence, especially since getting him back in your party was plot mandatory (compared to Terra's "I must go now for the ending sequence needs me.").

You were saying?


Imma let you finish, but Warrior of Light is the most story irrelevant FF character ever.

Who the hell plays a team with a Warrior in it? Its 4 White Mages all the way (to White Wizards).


Admittedly I'm guilty of not playing the original two. I had the FF Origins disk in High School but really just couldn't get into either. Maybe I should at least give the first one a go someday. I hear 2's just pretty much abusing the stat system for an hour then making cake of the rest of the experience.

Biggest mistake you can make with FF2 is grinding your HP up. Late game and onward, undead enemies start showing up in droves and their attacks always drain health based upon a 1/16th percentage of your total health per Hit (and this is on the old NES style Hits based system where higher speed means more Hits per attack), and between that and the fact that Cure Magic have a hard time healing more than 1500 HP per cast at level 13-ish, which itself is probably the highest level you can expect your Cure Magic to reach by the Final Boss Fight with some grinding, you really can't have your characters keep up with that kind of damage (especially since Level 13 magic costs 13 MP per cast, its not particularly economical to go around burning MP when fighting 6 or 8 undead enemies throwing out 1000s of HP of damage per individual undead enemy's attack).

What you should do is focus on having your designated Tank be the only one in the front row, and have him/her dual wield Shields or a Shield and a Dagger or something that boosts Agility, because Evade is what you want since it cuts down on the number of Hits per attack that connect. Give your other two characters either a Bow or make them your designated Black Magic user, and make sure the Tank gets Blink cast on him/her a lot.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew on April 24, 2015, 01:52:37 AM
Imma let you finish, but Warrior of Light is the most story irrelevant FF character ever.

Who the hell plays a team with a Warrior in it? Its 4 White Mages all the way (to White Wizards).

Not just story irrelevant, but also gameplay irrelevant. Poor guy.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 24, 2015, 08:14:35 AM

This would make sense if Kefka wasn't in the top 2 or 3 for greatest villains in the history of RPG's.  And the reason no one mentions Terra being a terrible protagonist is because A) she shares the lead with Celes and Locke (as mentioned above) and B) she isn't terrible at all.  Her backstory is gutwrenching,

Personally I'm leaning towards no on both points.

Terra's backstory is generic and honestly rather plain. Replace 'Esper' with 'Elf' and you'll see what I mean. 'Humans and Elves can never co exist...oh look, a half-elf! Shock! Gasp! Magical shenanigans!' And then after that literally all her dialog is "I wanna know what love is NAAAAAAOOOOOWWWWW~!" If it was your first experience with the trope then sure, you're more than allowed to see it as memorable because everyone always adores their first Batman, Doctor, ect. Regardless of flaws in the presentation. But stock fantasy 101 is still stock fantasy 101.

And Kefka...eh. Upon the replay he really isn't leaving much of an impression on me as he did as a kid. Up until the floating island he's not a villain. He's a mook. No different from any other psychotic henchman archetype out there. What really makes him unique? The laughing? The fact that every NPC rags on him? His ineffectiveness at doing anything on his own? (The poisoning of Doma was only possible through Leo's cornering of their forces, village razing was the Emperor's orders, and the Esper-capturing was probably the Emperor's gift too; every other thing he is around for is committed by other Empire forces with him just watching.) Let's just get the central comparison out of the way. He's the Joker without any of the charm. He doesn't even have Golbez or Ex-Death's credits of having memorable pre-battles. You just sneeze and he falls over. As a player/reader I really don't care about him because at the end of the day he's not pulling the strings, the Emperor is. Screw Kefka, kill 'that' guy. (Pre-World of Ruin.)

And the only, only reason he becomes the primary antagonist in the World of Ruin is because of plot idiocy. Somehow the Emperor who knows about the ancient statues of magical power, can forge legions of Magi-Tek forces, and has been researching Espers and their lore for decades didn't know about the anti-magic field? Ballocks. Leo and Geshtal die in one blow but Kefka can talk a sword stab through the gut and live? Ballocks. Shadow can physically pin Kefka in between three massive statues but can't shiv him when he's in there? Balllllllooooocks.

I dunno, maybe I'm just jaded after consuming so many different stories. Maybe having to analyze the crap out of plot day in and day out keeps me from enjoying the basics. But Kefka...I just don't see it anymore.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 24, 2015, 12:30:57 PM
All right, I'll bite.

Yes, Kefka was a henchman who elevated himself into the game's primary antagonist. Considering how often that actually occurs in JRPGs both then and now, its still a noteworthy feat. As for Gestahl's ignorance of the magic-field? That's mostly due to the fact that most of his experience with magic came from the research done on Magi-tek, whereas Kefka by this point had already figured out how Magicite worked and applied that knowledge to the Warring Triad statues.

That said, yeah. The whole Statues thing kinda comes out of nowhere and isn't really all that well explained past the Crescent Island expedition which does lay down the basic groundwork of the Statues and their purpose and role within the War of the Magi, but not about purposefully placing oneself into said Balance in order to partake in and absorb their magic field. Then again, it seems like something that very few would be crazy enough to even attempt, given the possible ramifications of disrupting the balance (of course Kefka certainly fits that bill; and look what happened, a large quantity of magical energy spilled over and caused a chain reaction that shattered continents and rearranged the face of the world).

As for Kefka getting stabbed during the Floating Continent sequence? First off, we don't even know the extent of the blow he took given that we're at most looking at a pair of sprites bump each other with visual and audio effects supporting the thesis that he was stabbed. He could've been stabbed in the shoulder for all we know (admittedly we do know that it had to be somewhere he could see since he does observe the blood flowing from his wound, but that's the full extent of it). Second, Shadow's efforts to pin Kefka were more or less for the sake of giving the party time to escape as the Floating Continent was the first thing to start falling apart (being suspended in the air and all) and the last thing they needed was Kefka going on a rampage and blasting the ground out from underneath the party (after all, theoretically speaking, the player could've brought Sabin, Gau and Terra to the fight, but they could've just as easily brought a party of Strago, Relm and Mog, none of whom are really capable of making any sort of dramatic escape, nevermind that the party at this point will always be saddled with Celes, who isn't exactly known for performing super human feats of agility). So yeah, leaving a goddamn Ninja behind to cover your tails isn't the worst idea the party's ever had. As for why Shadow couldn't have just shiv'd Kefka? Considering the luck Gestahl had at nuking him and getting Light of Judgemented in return, its possible that Shadow just couldn't deal enough HP worth of damage with the equipment at his disposal. Especially considering that each of the Warring Triad itself a major endgame boss fight, soloing all four at once would've been an impossible task. (I mean, not even a full party can deal with the Guardian let alone a guy who hasn't seen much action throughout the World of Balance, and that's just one endgame boss). Honestly, my biggest problem with the scene is Kefka waiting for the party to show up before torching Gestahl and triggering the world altering cataclysm (although I suppose that's largely due to trying to get Celes to actively betray the party for dramatic effect).

As for the issue with Terra? See my previous post. The only reason why she's considered the main character is largely due to the game opening and ending with her and the fact that her role in the story was the focus for about half of the game. I generally consider her performance/prerogative within the game's plot to be shared with Celes as they essentially are the same character (I mean they don't really share any screentime or availability together until Terra's recruitment within the World of Ruin where all bets are off; excepting the Battle of Narshe, less than a handful of scenes during the Imperial Dinner/Crescent Island bit and maybe the Floating Continent if, and only if, you brought Terra along). And in all honesty, Terra being separate from Celes is more of a good thing than a bad thing. For one, had they been the same character outright, then Locke would've stealth protagonist'd all up in this shit due to Celes' character development revolving largely around him to the extent of him being her entire driving force. Terra doesn't have that relationship (getting paired off with Leo) and basically treats him like the optional character that he turns into during the World of Ruin. For another, its honestly the better choice to not pile conflicting character defining traits onto a single character. Terra was a mysterious waif while Celes was the one with a reputation to live down, and though the developers tried to put it all on one character (Terra's 50 soldier per minute killcount is the furthest they go with it until her Esper Berserker Rage episode then both are largely dropped for Celes' torching of Miranda and mislaid allegiances).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 24, 2015, 02:51:22 PM
Seems fair enough to me to refrain from further nitpicking. As an aside I'd rather assumed from the dialog that Kefka wasn't so much 'planning' on killing the Emperor so much as it just sorta happened. Mostly because Celes stabbing him pissed him off and Kefka's whims change with his emotional state. So if Celes had either killed the party or just plain not showed up Kefka would still be a lapdog.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 24, 2015, 03:58:55 PM
Seems fair enough to me to refrain from further nitpicking. As an aside I'd rather assumed from the dialog that Kefka wasn't so much 'planning' on killing the Emperor so much as it just sorta happened. Mostly because Celes stabbing him pissed him off and Kefka's whims change with his emotional state. So if Celes had either killed the party or just plain not showed up Kefka would still be a lapdog.

Nah. I think he always had it out for Gestahl, especially by that point, but couldn't move against him without eating a Fire 3 or a Melton to the face until he stealth magic zone'd his ass. Celes' cutting of a bitch, more or less just pushed him to push some statues because he has semi-omnipotent, nearly-cosmic powers now and screw you all for making him bleed. Not that he probably wouldn't have had the world burn before him, but he probably wouldn't have risked going so far as to break the Balance and the world in the process.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on April 24, 2015, 08:20:27 PM
My favorite part of FFVI was when it glitched out and blitzes quit working.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on April 25, 2015, 12:30:37 PM
this isnt real but the FF14 team sometimes does funny parodies like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yZXjxuoEGA

now i kinda wish it was real.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: timmyFd on April 26, 2015, 01:37:43 AM
Seems fair enough to me to refrain from further nitpicking. As an aside I'd rather assumed from the dialog that Kefka wasn't so much 'planning' on killing the Emperor so much as it just sorta happened. Mostly because Celes stabbing him pissed him off and Kefka's whims change with his emotional state. So if Celes had either killed the party or just plain not showed up Kefka would still be a lapdog.

I dunno if I'd have said he was planning it but I would say I saw it coming from quite a way off. It kinda fit his general character arc. You could tell from just the focus and framing of it that he was the main bad guy from quite early on. Either that, or the emperor would've had to seriously increase in badassery later on.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 27, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
Seems fair enough to me to refrain from further nitpicking. As an aside I'd rather assumed from the dialog that Kefka wasn't so much 'planning' on killing the Emperor so much as it just sorta happened. Mostly because Celes stabbing him pissed him off and Kefka's whims change with his emotional state. So if Celes had either killed the party or just plain not showed up Kefka would still be a lapdog.

I dunno if I'd have said he was planning it but I would say I saw it coming from quite a way off. It kinda fit his general character arc. You could tell from just the focus and framing of it that he was the main bad guy from quite early on. Either that, or the emperor would've had to seriously increase in badassery later on.

On this particular run through I actually considered him to 'have' taken that level of the fact that he made Kefka forcibly sit in jail. Probably without explaining 'why' because you know Kefka wouldn't have kept it quiet while stewing in his cell.

To go back to my earlier comparison just apply a Joker analogue to it. If someone from the Batman world, walked up to the Joker, and simply told him without any reasoning "Hey! You! In jail, now!" and the Joker actually did just that... I'd give them a +level.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: timmyFd on April 27, 2015, 05:50:48 PM

On this particular run through I actually considered him to 'have' taken that level of the fact that he made Kefka forcibly sit in jail. Probably without explaining 'why' because you know Kefka wouldn't have kept it quiet while stewing in his cell.

To go back to my earlier comparison just apply a Joker analogue to it. If someone from the Batman world, walked up to the Joker, and simply told him without any reasoning "Hey! You! In jail, now!" and the Joker actually did just that... I'd give them a +level.

Wasn't that part of a further plan somehow when he did that? I don't remember the scene. You might actually be right.
The problem is, I already knew Kefka was the main bad guy before I played the game so I could've just been operating a bit of a confirmation bias on it.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 27, 2015, 05:59:15 PM

On this particular run through I actually considered him to 'have' taken that level of the fact that he made Kefka forcibly sit in jail. Probably without explaining 'why' because you know Kefka wouldn't have kept it quiet while stewing in his cell.

To go back to my earlier comparison just apply a Joker analogue to it. If someone from the Batman world, walked up to the Joker, and simply told him without any reasoning "Hey! You! In jail, now!" and the Joker actually did just that... I'd give them a +level.

Wasn't that part of a further plan somehow when he did that? I don't remember the scene. You might actually be right.
The problem is, I already knew Kefka was the main bad guy before I played the game so I could've just been operating a bit of a confirmation bias on it.

Going to jail was further part of the Emperor's plan, but they never explain outright if Kefka was informed or not. I always assumed not just from the particular temper tantrum he has in his cell if you sacrifice a perfect banquet run to go spy on him. Doubly so considering he's doing this without even knowing he's being watched.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 27, 2015, 06:44:44 PM

On this particular run through I actually considered him to 'have' taken that level of the fact that he made Kefka forcibly sit in jail. Probably without explaining 'why' because you know Kefka wouldn't have kept it quiet while stewing in his cell.

To go back to my earlier comparison just apply a Joker analogue to it. If someone from the Batman world, walked up to the Joker, and simply told him without any reasoning "Hey! You! In jail, now!" and the Joker actually did just that... I'd give them a +level.

Wasn't that part of a further plan somehow when he did that? I don't remember the scene. You might actually be right.
The problem is, I already knew Kefka was the main bad guy before I played the game so I could've just been operating a bit of a confirmation bias on it.

Going to jail was further part of the Emperor's plan, but they never explain outright if Kefka was informed or not. I always assumed not just from the particular temper tantrum he has in his cell if you sacrifice a perfect banquet run to go spy on him. Doubly so considering he's doing this without even knowing he's being watched.

One of the very few improvement of the PSX version is the built in run feature that makes the Running Shoes more or less redundant. The largest benefit from that was the fact that it made the timed sequences (the Opera House, the Banquet, the Floating Continent Escape and the Collapsing House in Tzen) easier since you could increase or decease your speed at will (or you could equip the Running Shoes anyways and go at Warp Speed). Viewing Kefka's prison rant has never been easier than with the new and improved Running Shoes! Buy a pair at your local Relic Shop today!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on April 27, 2015, 09:13:01 PM

On this particular run through I actually considered him to 'have' taken that level of the fact that he made Kefka forcibly sit in jail. Probably without explaining 'why' because you know Kefka wouldn't have kept it quiet while stewing in his cell.

To go back to my earlier comparison just apply a Joker analogue to it. If someone from the Batman world, walked up to the Joker, and simply told him without any reasoning "Hey! You! In jail, now!" and the Joker actually did just that... I'd give them a +level.

Wasn't that part of a further plan somehow when he did that? I don't remember the scene. You might actually be right.
The problem is, I already knew Kefka was the main bad guy before I played the game so I could've just been operating a bit of a confirmation bias on it.

Going to jail was further part of the Emperor's plan, but they never explain outright if Kefka was informed or not. I always assumed not just from the particular temper tantrum he has in his cell if you sacrifice a perfect banquet run to go spy on him. Doubly so considering he's doing this without even knowing he's being watched.

One of the very few improvement of the PSX version is the built in run feature that makes the Running Shoes more or less redundant. The largest benefit from that was the fact that it made the timed sequences (the Opera House, the Banquet, the Floating Continent Escape and the Collapsing House in Tzen) easier since you could increase or decease your speed at will (or you could equip the Running Shoes anyways and go at Warp Speed). Viewing Kefka's prison rant has never been easier than with the new and improved Running Shoes! Buy a pair at your local Relic Shop today!

More games need a "super run" option. 

...I'd also give up a breast to be have that RPG agility that makes them run forever.... except FF15 where Noctis gets tired every so couple hundred meters....aaaaaarrgh
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 27, 2015, 09:40:41 PM

On this particular run through I actually considered him to 'have' taken that level of the fact that he made Kefka forcibly sit in jail. Probably without explaining 'why' because you know Kefka wouldn't have kept it quiet while stewing in his cell.

To go back to my earlier comparison just apply a Joker analogue to it. If someone from the Batman world, walked up to the Joker, and simply told him without any reasoning "Hey! You! In jail, now!" and the Joker actually did just that... I'd give them a +level.

Wasn't that part of a further plan somehow when he did that? I don't remember the scene. You might actually be right.
The problem is, I already knew Kefka was the main bad guy before I played the game so I could've just been operating a bit of a confirmation bias on it.

Going to jail was further part of the Emperor's plan, but they never explain outright if Kefka was informed or not. I always assumed not just from the particular temper tantrum he has in his cell if you sacrifice a perfect banquet run to go spy on him. Doubly so considering he's doing this without even knowing he's being watched.

One of the very few improvement of the PSX version is the built in run feature that makes the Running Shoes more or less redundant. The largest benefit from that was the fact that it made the timed sequences (the Opera House, the Banquet, the Floating Continent Escape and the Collapsing House in Tzen) easier since you could increase or decease your speed at will (or you could equip the Running Shoes anyways and go at Warp Speed). Viewing Kefka's prison rant has never been easier than with the new and improved Running Shoes! Buy a pair at your local Relic Shop today!

More games need a "super run" option. 

...I'd also give up a breast to be have that RPG agility that makes them run forever.... except FF15 where Noctis gets tired every so couple hundred meters....aaaaaarrgh

Heck, even that isn't so bad considering that a person can run flat out for about a minute and a half, need 20~30 seconds of cooldown power swaggering, then start right back up again with no muss or fuss in regards to the long term effects of going flat out for so long (like sore muscles, blisters on the feet/toes, muscle cramps, athlete's foot, pebbles, sand and/or rocks in shoes, wet socks/shoes, twisted ankles and so much more).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: timmyFd on June 15, 2015, 09:56:03 AM
Why has no-one commented on this yet?

http://www.siliconera.com/2015/06/15/final-fantasy-vii-remake-is-coming-to-playstation-4/

This is either the worst trolling ever and I will be forced to destroy Siliconera with the force of pure hatred OR it's the best gaming news of the year.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on June 15, 2015, 10:08:55 AM
Why has no-one commented on this yet?

http://www.siliconera.com/2015/06/15/final-fantasy-vii-remake-is-coming-to-playstation-4/

This is either the worst trolling ever and I will be forced to destroy Siliconera with the force of pure hatred OR it's the best gaming news of the year.

Or it could be Squeenix kicking around the idea of a remake again and nothing's gonna come of this.

But no matter how you slice it, we haven't gotten to Squeenix's press conference yet which is why it was being discussed in the E3 General Discusso thread with all the other rumors, speculations, leaks, trip reports, discussions about who won this year's E3 and hilarious/stupid E3 gifs.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on June 15, 2015, 02:12:09 PM
When XBox was talking about upcoming titles to look forward to at Gamescom, I swear one of the banners was of Cloud, so it might just be true this time.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on June 15, 2015, 02:29:29 PM
When XBox was talking about upcoming titles to look forward to at Gamescom, I swear one of the banners was of Cloud, so it might just be true this time.

Nope. The only ones on the screen during the 'go see Gamescom' was the Fable Legends chick, Lara Croft, the Gears 4 guy, Master Chief and someone else I can't quite recall at this particular moment (I think he was either from that Rare Sea of Thieves game or somebody from one of those Tom Clancy games).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on June 15, 2015, 03:44:26 PM
Rumours be piling:
(http://i.imgur.com/F239NcU.png)

I use "megaton" very rarely, but if this is legit....
(http://i.imgur.com/yIilc58.png)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: timmyFd on June 15, 2015, 03:55:42 PM
Aha, I didn't notice the E3 thread.

Well all I'll say is if they are remaking it, they'd better not change anything from the core game. Something tells me that's asking too much though, there's no way the modern Squenix would just leave that nice and well-balanced battle system like that. They'll try and sex it up somehow.

Rumours be piling:
(http://i.imgur.com/F239NcU.png)


Who is that?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on June 15, 2015, 03:57:47 PM
I wonder if the Honey Bee Inn will be in it.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on June 15, 2015, 04:02:58 PM
I wonder if the Honey Bee Inn will be in it.


Honestly, part of the reason a glorified remaster might "work better".  A remake would mean a huuuuge overhaul I'd imagine.  Or, I'd love to eat crow and see a realistic Cloud going through many motions to get himself lady's clothes in a full HD environment (and HD Midgar...which makes my butt tingle excites me greatly).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on June 15, 2015, 05:56:02 PM
I wonder if the Honey Bee Inn will be in it.


Given that Yakuza 0 had a cat fighting minigame, and that games like Akiba's Trip and Senran Kagura exist, I wouldn't be too surprised if they kept that segment in (though I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up toning down Cloud's anti-hero shenanigans during that segment by a significant amount).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ultra7k on June 18, 2015, 06:34:18 PM
Some more info regarding World of Final Fantasy:

http://venturebeat.com/2015/06/18/world-of-final-fantasy-dumps-realism-for-cute-and-opens-the-door-for-newer-younger-players/

Hamauzu doing the soundtrack and arranging. YES.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on June 18, 2015, 08:01:57 PM
Dumps realism?  Since when did Final Fantasy games have anything to do with realism?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on June 18, 2015, 09:35:51 PM
Dumps realism?  Since when did Final Fantasy games have anything to do with realism?

Most realistic belts and buckles I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on August 16, 2015, 09:05:09 AM
I'm thinking of playing through a couple Final Fantasy games soon, but I can't decide which one to start with:

Final Fantasy IX - Do I want to do the best one first?

Final Fantasy V - Do I want to get my favorite done first?

Final Fantasy VII - Do I get the most famous one done first?

Final Fantasy XII - This might be the cheapest way to scratch my MMORPG itch...with bonuses, hopefully...I just don't know if I should wait for a remake?

Final Fantasy X - I think my brother would like this one, so we could play it together. I'd need to get the PS3 or PS4 version, though...

Final Fantasy II (PSP) - or do I get the oldest out of the way first?


Please note I've started all of these games to some degree (I'm just terrible at finishing games), though most will have to be restarted.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: kkhohoho on August 16, 2015, 10:51:31 AM
I'm thinking of playing through a couple Final Fantasy games soon, but I can't decide which one to start with:

Final Fantasy IX - Do I want to do the best one first?

Final Fantasy V - Do I want to get my favorite done first?

Final Fantasy VII - Do I get the most famous one done first?

Final Fantasy XII - This might be the cheapest way to scratch my MMORPG itch...with bonuses, hopefully...I just don't know if I should wait for a remake?

Final Fantasy X - I think my brother would like this one, so we could play it together. I'd need to get the PS3 or PS4 version, though...

Final Fantasy II (PSP) - or do I get the oldest out of the way first?


Please note I've started all of these games to some degree (I'm just terrible at finishing games), though most will have to be restarted.

No FFVI? (Or did you play that one already?)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on August 16, 2015, 01:38:23 PM
I'm thinking of playing through a couple Final Fantasy games soon, but I can't decide which one to start with:

Final Fantasy IX - Do I want to do the best one first?

Final Fantasy V - Do I want to get my favorite done first?

Final Fantasy VII - Do I get the most famous one done first?

Final Fantasy XII - This might be the cheapest way to scratch my MMORPG itch...with bonuses, hopefully...I just don't know if I should wait for a remake?

Final Fantasy X - I think my brother would like this one, so we could play it together. I'd need to get the PS3 or PS4 version, though...

Final Fantasy II (PSP) - or do I get the oldest out of the way first?


Please note I've started all of these games to some degree (I'm just terrible at finishing games), though most will have to be restarted.

In order of approachability: FFX, FFV, FFVII, FFIX, FFII, FFXII

FFX: Namely because graphics aren't as big of a concern as in FFs V and VII. Otherwise play one of those first since their post game bullshit isn't as bullshit as FFX's bullshit.

FFVII: This and FFVI are the most braindead in terms of difficulty. Still, V's graphics have aged better, and if you have access to FFVA, then the writing is also better and should be played first. Also Sephiroth is such a lame villain anyways, and at least half the party are unlikeable clods.

FFV: If you have the advanced port, disregard the above and play this first! Otherwise, know that this is a little tougher than FFs VII and X, but the Job system gives the game a ton of extra depth that the other games in the series (Tactics withstanding) wished they had.

FFIX: People really understate just how clunky and slow this game's battle system is, and how much filler the game tries to slip under the guise of nostalgia. Still worth it for the music, story, characters, nods and Chocobo Hot & Cold.

FFII: "Who wants to grind forever?" But seriously, FFII is pretty much a grind from start to finish. Ideally, you'll know never to wear armor since the penalties will cut into your stat growth rates, have Firionel as your Dodge Tank (since he's the only character in the game who can make full use of Agility) by keeping him alone out in front with dual Shields equipped, and to equip your Black Mage with something other than a Bow (preferably a Knife or Staff). The rest should be easy enough to deal with.

FFXII: Wait for the IZJS HD release.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on August 16, 2015, 06:45:48 PM
No FFVI? (Or did you play that one already?)

I played it and I hate it. In fact, it's the only Final Fantasy I genuinely don't like from what I've played - I've put in 10 hours at least in every one except 9, though I've only ever finished Final Fantasy 1, 3, and 13...hey wait a minute...anywaus, that list were just the games I actually wanted to play.

So I guess I'll follow Aeolus' advice and start with FFV Advance. It really is the braindead answer. Now that I think about it, I remember enough and I'm already halfway though. I could finish it in a week if I stick with it this time. Then I'll go with FFX if my brother wants to watch (he won't be able to play), otherwise I'll go to VII.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 16, 2015, 07:30:37 PM
In order of approachability: FFX, FFV, FFVII, FFIX, FFII, FFXII

I would not say that X is that approachable with how unbearable (or tedious in the worst cases) the game gets if you are not really, really into it.

Now. With V and IX, both of them even with their shortcomings are some of the most solid games from the main series and are also approachable at all levels. I pick/recommend those two to anybody.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on August 16, 2015, 07:43:40 PM
Oh yeah, I've almost beaten FFX before and was pretty damn sick of it by the end. But that was years ago and I did a lot of things to make things harder for myself...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on August 16, 2015, 10:55:03 PM
Oh yeah, I've almost beaten FFX before and was pretty damn sick of it by the end. But that was years ago and I did a lot of things to make things harder for myself...

Best advice I can give is if you're playing the HD port, ignore any and all of the optional crap, otherwise get Yuna's and Auron's ultimate weapons and ignore the rest of the optional crap.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on August 17, 2015, 02:08:30 AM
Oh yeah, I've almost beaten FFX before and was pretty damn sick of it by the end. But that was years ago and I did a lot of things to make things harder for myself...

Best advice I can give is if you're playing the HD port, ignore any and all of the optional crap, otherwise get Yuna's and Auron's ultimate weapons and ignore the rest of the optional crap.

Those... are probably some of the easier ones to get, too.

FUUUUUCKKK YOOOOOOUUUU WAAAAKKKAAAAAAAAA....
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on August 17, 2015, 07:44:28 AM
FUUUUUCKKK YOOOOOOUUUU WAAAAKKKAAAAAAAAA....

I don't even need the context for this, it;s still a good quote in general. =P
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on August 17, 2015, 08:18:51 AM
FUUUUUCKKK YOOOOOOUUUU WAAAAKKKAAAAAAAAA....

(http://i.imgur.com/2B01jU2.gif)

But seriously, Wakka has nothing on assholes like Lulu and Tidus.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on August 17, 2015, 09:41:10 AM
FUUUUUCKKK YOOOOOOUUUU WAAAAKKKAAAAAAAAA....

(http://i.imgur.com/2B01jU2.gif)

But seriously, Wakka has nothing on assholes like Lulu and Tidus.

Tidus' 00:00:00 is actually not that hard (heck, I find it easier than the butterflies) and actually easy on a replay since you pretty much know what you did to make it.
Jerkface Wakawaka and Lulu though remain supershitty punch in the nads no matter how much you redo them.

(This is about ultimate weapons)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on August 17, 2015, 12:36:42 PM
Even seeing that stupid Wakka gif (:P) I can't believe how good the PS2 models were.  The HD version has failed us.

And I remember hating most of the sidequests for unique stupid reasons:

Lulu's wasn't hard (there's a way to 'manipulate Lightning' so it CAN strike in the same place.... 300 times).  But I confess to deal with eye fatigue I wore sunglasses, turned down TV brightness, and turned on a bunch of lights.

Wakka's is unfortunately too based on waiting for that goddamn prize to show up and Blitzball takes waaaay too long (well, Al Bhed are too good a team and those fucking Ronso's never run out of HP).

Kimahri and the butterfli---oh wait I never used him, HUZZAH (but going for 100% the butterflies suck, fixed perspective doesn't help).

Tidus' sucks because that Chocobo loses all good control it normally has to control like a drunk during the race.  It's frustrating, and the balloon placement is purely based on an RNG, so some runs will definitely be better than others. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on August 17, 2015, 01:13:25 PM
You know what... fuck questing, gear hunting and powerleveling in FFX.
I wish I had just cruised through the game's main story and be done with it.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on August 17, 2015, 01:47:18 PM
You know what... fuck questing, gear hunting and powerleveling in FFX.
I wish I had just cruised through the game's main story and be done with it.

It's not worth it unless you're loving the game.
If you go to the Omega Dungeon or whatever and level up there for a bit the end-game is easy enough.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on August 17, 2015, 04:20:22 PM
You know what... fuck questing, gear hunting and powerleveling in FFX.
I wish I had just cruised through the game's main story and be done with it.

FFX: Namely because graphics aren't as big of a concern as in FFs V and VII. Otherwise play one of those first since their post game bullshit isn't as bullshit as FFX's bullshit.

Best advice I can give is if you're playing the HD port, ignore any and all of the optional crap, otherwise get Yuna's and Auron's ultimate weapons and ignore the rest of the optional crap.

To clarify my second quote a bit, I mean that out of the all of the game's ultimate weapons, Yuna and Auron are the ones who care the most about having them. Rikku should just be Stealing/Mixing and Kimarhi sucks no matter what you do for him. Tidus also cares, but you know, Chocobo Racing, so screw him. Wakka is entirely Blitzball and lives or dies by how much time and effort the player puts into this crap and Lulu just wants as many Magic Spheres as she can fit inside of her cleavage sphere grid as she'll fall off fast without them.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 17, 2015, 06:21:18 PM
Oh yeah, I've almost beaten FFX before and was pretty damn sick of it by the end. But that was years ago and I did a lot of things to make things harder for myself...

Don't blame yourself. X in every version has poorly designed busy work and a lot of unnecessary weight to it.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on August 17, 2015, 06:40:16 PM
FFX was one of my favorite FFs!

Which isn't saying much 8D

8D

8D

88888D
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on October 19, 2015, 12:17:31 PM
http://gematsu.com/2015/10/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-pc-slated-december

So it looks like Lightning might be returning to PCs in December. I might even finally be able to play this game (in 2017 since I'll probably be busy with XBCX by then and FE:Fates after that).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on October 19, 2015, 12:33:16 PM
...in 2017 since I'll probably be busy with XBCX by then and FE:Fates after that).

(http://i.imgur.com/BzD9xTO.gif)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on October 26, 2015, 01:40:08 AM
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2015/10/new-dissidia-final-fantasy-arcade-screenshots-showcases-firion-cecil-summons-and-more/

So, I mean. It's great when we see Lightning or Cloud in HD... but man, it's something else to see the 'classic FF-ers' in HD and full next-gen graphics (and yeah the PSP Dissidia stuff doesn't count).

Firion and his half-turban-thing have never looked better, and Cecil's mane is even better.

I do wonder if the FF series will return to more traditional fantasy at some point (or Ivalice for that matter).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on October 26, 2015, 05:13:44 AM
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2015/10/new-dissidia-final-fantasy-arcade-screenshots-showcases-firion-cecil-summons-and-more/

So, I mean. It's great when we see Lightning or Cloud in HD... but man, it's something else to see the 'classic FF-ers' in HD and full next-gen graphics (and yeah the PSP Dissidia stuff doesn't count).

Firion and his half-turban-thing have never looked better, and Cecil's mane is even better.

I do wonder if the FF series will return to more traditional fantasy at some point (or Ivalice for that matter).

it already has it's called final fantasy 14. also theres this!

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WmBDIkzOq-0/VclnzhE6XeI/AAAAAAAAHYo/6e5LBYk1z24/w1213-h709-no/20150811_%25E3%2583%25AA%25E3%2583%25AF%25E3%2583%25BC%25E3%2583%2589840%25E6%2597%25A5%25E3%2582%25A2%25E3%2582%25A4%25E3%2583%2586%25E3%2583%25A0%25E3%2582%25B2%25E3%2583%2583%25E3%2583%2588%25EF%25BC%2581_03.png)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on October 26, 2015, 10:46:20 AM
Personally, I'd still like a Final Fantasy game that is entirely singleplayer-focused and story-focused that is in a fantasy setting. And won't cost me a fortune over a long period of time. Even World of Final Fantasy looks to be a step closer to fullfilling my needs than FF14. Not to knock it, it's great for what it is, I just personally dislike subscribing to a social activity.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on October 26, 2015, 11:09:58 AM
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2015/10/new-dissidia-final-fantasy-arcade-screenshots-showcases-firion-cecil-summons-and-more/

So, I mean. It's great when we see Lightning or Cloud in HD... but man, it's something else to see the 'classic FF-ers' in HD and full next-gen graphics (and yeah the PSP Dissidia stuff doesn't count).

Firion and his half-turban-thing have never looked better, and Cecil's mane is even better.

I do wonder if the FF series will return to more traditional fantasy at some point (or Ivalice for that matter).

it already has it's called final fantasy 14. also theres this!

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WmBDIkzOq-0/VclnzhE6XeI/AAAAAAAAHYo/6e5LBYk1z24/w1213-h709-no/20150811_%25E3%2583%25AA%25E3%2583%25AF%25E3%2583%25BC%25E3%2583%2589840%25E6%2597%25A5%25E3%2582%25A2%25E3%2582%25A4%25E3%2583%2586%25E3%2583%25A0%25E3%2582%25B2%25E3%2583%2583%25E3%2583%2588%25EF%25BC%2581_03.png)

As someone who avoids FF14 like the plague (due to fear of addiction) I'd never have known till now haha
Still, I find FF14's graphics still kinda "okay" only.  They got a great lighting engine working and some pretty environments in their favour. 

Personally, I'd still like a Final Fantasy game that is entirely singleplayer-focused and story-focused that is in a fantasy setting. And won't cost me a fortune over a long period of time. Even World of Final Fantasy looks to be a step closer to fullfilling my needs than FF14. Not to knock it, it's great for what it is, I just personally dislike subscribing to a social activity.

Yeah likewise.  If I got in on it I'd feel to obligated to meet that "play quota" to make it work the money I put in, which takes time away from other games, chores, hobbies, etc.  There's no doubt in my mind I'd love the game though, but that's why I  have to avoid it.  Plus, I've done the whole online thing before, like you said, it's great.... for a paid social experience. :/
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on October 26, 2015, 12:35:33 PM
I have so many years of playing MMORPGs that I don't see myself playing another one until something new and revolutionary happens.
That includes FF14.

(Tree Of Savior plz plz plz plz plzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on October 29, 2015, 12:48:30 AM
^ I'm planning on getting Black Desert...for the character creation (seriously, it'd make great for drawing references!)

https://youtu.be/M0oTJiy6j8g
New Trailers, Taelus will get a new Avatar, holy shit at that Midgar level, and hope more characters enter otherwise it's just Dissidia 1's basic cast.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on October 29, 2015, 12:59:36 AM
^ I'm planning on getting Black Desert...for the character creation (seriously, it'd make great for drawing references!)

https://youtu.be/M0oTJiy6j8g
New Trailers, Taelus will get a new Avatar, holy shit at that Midgar level, and hope more characters enter otherwise it's just Dissidia 1's basic cast.

Okay, holy shit, that trailer was made for me! Right down to the FFXIV character being a White Mage. Because that's all I ever freakin' use in MMOs. Even though I never buddy up with people. I always gotta do it solo. I approach them the same way I do a foot race. Before every race I make sure to break my own legs, so it's as difficult and painful as humanly possible. Because that's how a man does things!

A crazy man. This may or may not be a cry for help.

Also, Butz is cannon.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on October 29, 2015, 01:25:33 AM
^ I'm planning on getting Black Desert...for the character creation (seriously, it'd make great for drawing references!)

https://youtu.be/M0oTJiy6j8g
New Trailers, Taelus will get a new Avatar, holy shit at that Midgar level, and hope more characters enter otherwise it's just Dissidia 1's basic cast.

Dissidia 1's cast plus Duodecium's Lightning and Vaan, and the new guy, FFXIV dude.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on October 29, 2015, 02:27:23 AM
everytime i see vaan representing ff12 instea dof ashe or balthier i want to throw up in my mouth.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on October 29, 2015, 10:12:27 AM
everytime i see vaan representing ff12 instea dof ashe or balthier i want to throw up in my mouth.

When I first saw Vaan, I said "get out of here, Tidus, we've seen enough of you!" He really isn't a memorable character in any way, shape, or form...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on October 29, 2015, 10:20:27 AM
everytime i see vaan representing ff12 instea dof ashe or balthier i want to throw up in my mouth.

When I first saw Vaan, I said "get out of here, Tidus, we've seen enough of you!" He really isn't a memorable character in any way, shape, or form...

When I first saw Vaan, I thought I had stumbled on some kind of gay pedo porn.

(http://i.imgur.com/LhnXOCmm.png)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on October 29, 2015, 10:29:31 AM
everytime i see vaan representing ff12 instea dof ashe or balthier i want to throw up in my mouth.

When I first saw Vaan, I said "get out of here, Tidus, we've seen enough of you!" He really isn't a memorable character in any way, shape, or form...

When I first saw Vaan, I thought I had stumbled on some kind of gay pedo porn.

(http://i.imgur.com/LhnXOCmm.png)

I love his "nipples" in that shot, it's like he got a couple of bruises where his nipples are supposed to be.

And yeah, how the fuck does Ashe not get top-billing, is Vaan actually liked????
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on November 04, 2015, 05:28:03 PM
http://www.gamesradar.com/why-final-fantasy-14-secretly-best-game-series/
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on November 04, 2015, 05:36:49 PM

And yeah, how the fuck does Ashe not get top-billing, is Vaan actually liked????

Look at FF main characters...

1. Warrior of Light
2. Firion
3. Onion Knight
4. Cecil
5. Bartz
6. Terra?
7. Cloud
8. Squall
9. Zidane
10. Tidus
12. Vaan
13. Lightning
15. Boy Band

notice a trend?

Before 13, every mc was either a dude or a woman in an ensemble cast that wasn't even necessary to complete the game.

I'm sure I'm not the first one to notice this.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on November 04, 2015, 09:59:31 PM

And yeah, how the fuck does Ashe not get top-billing, is Vaan actually liked????

Look at FF main characters...

1. Warrior of Light
2. Firion
3. Onion Knight
4. Cecil
5. Bartz
6. Terra?
7. Cloud
8. Squall
9. Zidane
10. Tidus
12. Vaan
13. Lightning
15. Boy Band

notice a trend?

Before 13, every mc was either a dude or a woman in an ensemble cast that wasn't even necessary to complete the game.

I'm sure I'm not the first one to notice this.

X-2 had Yuna...

But if we're going to list spin-offs...

MQ: Benjamin
T: Ramza
TA1: Marche
TA2: Luso
TAY: Ceodore
AC: Cloud
CC: Zack
DoC: Vincent
RW: Vaan
XIII-2: Serah Noel
LR: Hrist Lightning
RoF: Yuri/Chelinka
TCB: Layle
DD: Sol/Nacht
BE: "like I'd know."
That other mobile one: (insert bland JRPG dude here)
And that game that nobody remembers even exists because it was announced minutes before the FFVII REMAKE bomb dropped: Creepy Dude/Even Creepier Dudette (its a safe assumption)

...yeah. Outside of X-2 and LR:FFXIII, the only games that didn't have a generic shonen male lead are the games where you either had a leaderless ensemble or could make your own character.

But then, the FF series has never been very progressive in that regard. The first playable PCs were II's Miss "My brother! Where for art thou!?" Maria, and "Arr! Avast ye maties!" Leila. Followed by IV's "Get back in the kitchen!" Rosa, 'hits puberty hard' Rydia and 'co-progenitor of the eternally obnoxious underaged JRPG twins archetype' Porom. With Butz's Harem for V, 'were originally the same character' Celes/Terra + Relm for more obnoxious kid action for VI and 'actual characterization not found' for VII (and Materia Girl Yufie). VIII's was Squall's 'designated love interest' & 'all the rest', IX's was Zidane's love interests 'past', 'present' & 'future', and X's was Miss "This death march may be mine, but the story is now yours Tidus." + team mid-life crisis mom and Miss 'not yet genki enough to state that things are "Disasteriffic!"'. Then XI might have happened here but who knows. And finally we get to 'should've been the actual main character' Ashe + not-Chewie and not-C-3PO with XIII-1's 'Fem-Cloud' and Aussie lesbians and XIV's "MMO. Who cares...".

In fairness, it gets 'better' by X/XII but it never gets past the series' 'TRADITION', and it probably won't either.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Frostillicus on November 05, 2015, 12:04:48 PM
(http://i66.tinypic.com/29cmc5f.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on November 06, 2015, 11:20:55 PM
^ I want that...

About woman in FF games, ever notice that by the end of FFV 3/4 of your party is female?  Though of course the 1/4 that isn't is the main character...

FFV was the first harem FF game!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on November 07, 2015, 12:07:52 AM
About woman in FF games, ever notice that by the end of FFV 3/4 of your party is female?  Though of course the 1/4 that isn't is the main character...

FFV was the first harem FF game!

Galuf died for your sin(ful lifestyle)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on November 07, 2015, 01:04:12 AM
About woman in FF games, ever notice that by the end of FFV 3/4 of your party is female?  Though of course the 1/4 that isn't is the main character...

FFV was the first harem FF game!

Galuf died for your sin(ful lifestyle)

I thought that it was Tidus who died for your (victory over) Sin?


That said, I liked that Faris was female due to the fact that she was actually treated well for that particular trope. I mean, they try to play it up for all of five minutes and then drop both reveals, and instead of just leaving it at that, the game eventually has her try to reintegrate with her family, her home country and her original identity as Princess Salsa (which had to have been difficult going back to being named after a type of dance condiment), while also not just having her totally disregard her pirate comrades in the process.

And also because even with Galuf, Faris was basically the party's second-in-command since for the first half of Galuf's tenure, due to Galuf's memory loss preventing him from recalling anything useful before the second world and his later kinginess making him more like the CO instead of either party leader or second-in-command. Plus Reina was the only other competition and had already throughly taken up the role as the party's designated 'The Chick' even before Faris joined. And Kyrie basically didn't matter at all once she joined other than to talk to a Moogle and to complete Butz's Princess Collection.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on November 07, 2015, 02:29:35 AM
i always felt like faris/lenna were the true main characters of FFV and and Bartz was much like vaan though i didnt complete the game so that migh of changed later on.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on November 07, 2015, 06:33:29 AM
^ Completely agree. Other than being the son of a hero, there wasn't any real moment where Bartz wasn't just the player avatar witnessing the story playing out through the rest of the cast.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on November 07, 2015, 07:29:41 AM
Best character in FF5 is Boko, hands down.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on November 07, 2015, 10:09:47 AM
^ Completely agree. Other than being the son of a hero, there wasn't any real moment where Bartz wasn't just the player avatar witnessing the story playing out through the rest of the cast.

Sadly, Butz is basically your typical Shonen hero which typically means that he's all about fighting (and possibly eating) and little else to begin with. Granted, this isn't that big of a deal due to the almost goofy take the game does of the usual FF formula, but he still has a noticeable role in the plot (like picking fights with Gil and Keega (who he basically mortally wounds; way to bust up one of your dad's buds), to being the one to emphasize the most with the team rival Gilgamesh near the end, and bringing the party (sans Reina) away from Tycoon Castle and out of X-death's line of N-Zone fire, among other things).

The thing with Butz apparent lack of development is that he basically doesn't have all that many people to bounce character development off of like Reina does (i.e. King Tycoon/the only significant previous generation character that wasn't part of the Dawn Warriors, the residents of Tycoon Castle, Faris + her pirate crew, the Dragon, that one bounty hunter chick who literally shows up out of nowhere and is completely unimportant to the plot, etc; versus Butz's hometown which gets dumped into the Void early due to having cheap Ethers), which is why she (and Faris by extension) seems like the recipient of the most character development (that and she simply had further to go than Mr 'already an adventurer' Butz).

Butz yes, he's basically the 'roving everyman hero' that basically every anime OVA of the late 80s/early 90s starred, while Reina is literally the 'magical princess from a far away/magical kingdom on a world saving mission that's doomed to fail without the help of the fated hero' and Faris is basically 'the third wheel/the main character's wing man/the team jobber' character while Galuf is the 'plot important sage/mentor/Obi-Wan' and Kyrie is only around as 'the replacement character/the other third wheel type' while Boko is clearly the 'mascot character'.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on November 19, 2015, 09:28:58 PM
http://gematsu.com/2015/11/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-pc-launches-steam-december-10

The Trilogy's Conclusion Returns....on a day that I'll probably be too busy playing XBCX on.

Bonus points, Aeris'/Aerith's costume has been edited out so completely, that Squeenix is saying 'it'll never happen'. Better turn on the Yggnog Signal. (http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-frogsiren.gif)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: bigdeath on November 19, 2015, 11:31:04 PM
Finally, never got Lighting Returns but the gameplay sure looks a lot of fun so I'm excited to get it on PC.

Edit: As expected, this game is coming with almost all the DLC included. Sweet. I can have Lighting cosplay as Cloud or Yuna and apparently Lara Craft too. lol Now I'm even more excited to play "dress me up" Lighting.

What is the reason that Aerith's costume was removed? Edit: Ah, nevermind. Its not actually DLC. It was a reward meant only for those that purchased the game guide. Squeenix had better remove the costume from the game files or its going to be hax back into existence.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 20, 2015, 12:09:45 AM
@Aeolus: Your bait smells salty bro. ;)

Its not actually DLC. It was a reward meant only for those that purchased the game guide. Squeenix had better remove the costume from the game files or its going to be hax back into existence.

It is DLC.

Most (but not all) of those garbs that are DLC are mainly useful in the beginning of LR. However, it is your choice how you handle the usability of a garb with the Schema system. A small tip I'll give you is that you want to be as fast as you can in a fight.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on November 20, 2015, 01:24:43 AM
I liked FFV's relative lack of character development. It was mostly like, yey, I get a bunch of little pixel people I get to play dress-up with! HOW DELIGHTS.

Whereas in the FF games with actual characterization I'm just like man who are these assholes that never shut up.

Also why aren't there affordable Red XIII figurines. ffs Square, just get Schleich to make one in the Bayala line it's not like anyone would notice.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: bigdeath on November 20, 2015, 02:24:07 AM
Err, it is DLC but what I meant is that it was never meant to be freely avalible. Its an exclusive reward for PS3 players who bought the game guide. So that explains why they are not bringing it to the PC, just as they haven't for the XBOX.

I hear the Yuna one is OP. Anyway, being as fast as you can be is great, since thats what FF13 playstayle has always been like.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 20, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
Err, it is DLC but what I meant is that it was never meant to be freely avalible. Its an exclusive reward for PS3 players who bought the game guide. So that explains why they are not bringing it to the PC, just as they haven't for the XBOX.

I meant that the garb is like any other piece of DLC. Being some kind of special item was when it was first shown since it was made available on PS3 and 360 eventually. In any case, what matters here is that the stats in Aeris/Aerith's garb are fairly standard and enter in the area of being regularly useful for a defensive approach.

I hear the Yuna one is OP.

That's most likely the one from X-2 I assume.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on November 29, 2015, 02:08:39 AM
http://gematsu.com/2015/11/final-fantasy-vii-ps4-trophies-surface

PSN Trophies for FFVII. I feel like I should be owed a Platinum Trophy for having done all of this in the past (except the Gil one, simply because I never had a reason).

As for the rest of you, good luck getting the 'See the Light' Trophy AND the 'Best Bromance' Trophy on the same run.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on November 29, 2015, 09:41:34 PM
By the way was that exploding blitzball thing a joke/urban legend/meem or was it really in that artbook? I don't follow anything and I don't get modern humor so this is all lost on me.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on November 29, 2015, 10:45:24 PM
By the way was that exploding blitzball thing a joke/urban legend/meem or was it really in that artbook? I don't follow anything and I don't get modern humor so this is all lost on me.

It came from an audio drama that came out of Squeenix somewhere around a year and a half to two years ago that was billed as FFX-2.5 and was meant to set up for an FFX-3 and involves Tidus getting into a fight with Yuna that leads to him getting mad, kicking a random Blitzball and going back to being dead; while Yuna fucks Tidus' disembodied head shit up (said 'shit' includes Tidus' disembodied head) and breaks the Farplane (again) which causes literally everyone to come back from the dead, including Sin. Basically, the guy who wrote that tried to write FFX-2 out of existence in nearly the dumbest way imaginable.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on November 30, 2015, 12:27:28 AM
http://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=16969
Mandatory
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Ranadiel on November 30, 2015, 06:44:56 AM
By the way was that exploding blitzball thing a joke/urban legend/meem or was it really in that artbook? I don't follow anything and I don't get modern humor so this is all lost on me.

It came from an audio drama that came out of Squeenix somewhere around a year and a half to two years ago that was billed as FFX-2.5 and was meant to set up for an FFX-3 and involves Tidus getting into a fight with Yuna that leads to him getting mad, kicking a random Blitzball and going back to being dead; while Yuna fucks Tidus' disembodied head shit up (said 'shit' includes Tidus' disembodied head) and breaks the Farplane (again) which causes literally everyone to come back from the dead, including Sin. Basically, the guy who wrote that tried to write FFX-2 out of existence in nearly the dumbest way imaginable.
...so does the Farplane get fixed by the end of it or was the Farplane being broke supposed to be the conflict for FFX-3?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on November 30, 2015, 11:03:26 AM
http://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=16969
Mandatory
Oh my goodness........ *stifling laughter*
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on November 30, 2015, 05:40:02 PM
By the way was that exploding blitzball thing a joke/urban legend/meem or was it really in that artbook? I don't follow anything and I don't get modern humor so this is all lost on me.

It came from an audio drama that came out of Squeenix somewhere around a year and a half to two years ago that was billed as FFX-2.5 and was meant to set up for an FFX-3 and involves Tidus getting into a fight with Yuna that leads to him getting mad, kicking a random Blitzball and going back to being dead; while Yuna fucks Tidus' disembodied head shit up (said 'shit' includes Tidus' disembodied head) and breaks the Farplane (again) which causes literally everyone to come back from the dead, including Sin. Basically, the guy who wrote that tried to write FFX-2 out of existence in nearly the dumbest way imaginable.
...so does the Farplane get fixed by the end of it or was the Farplane being broke supposed to be the conflict for FFX-3?

The Farplane is always in some state of busted jank, the first game it was leaking like a sieve, second game gave us not-Tidus and his massive Vaginagun, and in theory X-3 would've Released the KracSin all over again, along with basically everyone else (i.e. Seymour, his Mom and Dad, all the other Yevon jerks, Auron of course, along with Jecht and Braska, not Chappu though because that would involve remembering that Wakka and Lulu exist and were at one time relevant to the events of the first game, a bunch of Crusader jerks, Yunalesca and her Daddy, a couple of new characters for Zanarken and that other country they were always perpetually at war with, and some of the Kilika jerks as well since why the fuck not).

But again, Squeenix has said nothing on the subject since because 2.5 was just that fuckin' stupid.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on November 30, 2015, 07:33:04 PM
Err, it is DLC but what I meant is that it was never meant to be freely avalible. Its an exclusive reward for PS3 players who bought the game guide. So that explains why they are not bringing it to the PC, just as they haven't for the XBOX.

I meant that the garb is like any other piece of DLC. Being some kind of special item was when it was first shown since it was made available on PS3 and 360 eventually. In any case, what matters here is that the stats in Aeris/Aerith's garb are fairly standard and enter in the area of being regularly useful for a defensive approach.

I hear the Yuna one is OP.

That's most likely the one from X-2 I assume.

no its the one from FFX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJMRfgkeaIM

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 30, 2015, 08:13:55 PM
I hear the Yuna one is OP.

That's most likely the one from X-2 I assume.

no its the one from FFX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJMRfgkeaIM

Of all the builds I've seen and gone through in that fight this is the first time I see someone using Yuna's garb. Is possible to finish that fight faster, but that was pretty good.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on December 02, 2015, 07:45:36 AM
http://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=16969
Mandatory
Oh my goodness........ *stifling laughter*

I question Tidus's taste in women, because bony-ass Yuna has the body of a preteen boy. 

I don't know about you, but I can't get behind a chick with no booty. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on December 02, 2015, 10:58:35 AM
I can't get behind a chick whose booty is too big... because... y'know... the booty is in the way so I can't get behind her.     .......get it?

Anyways, Yuna is hot, has a booty (although not in Dice's hilarious screenshot comic), and if you fall in love with someone with a small booty I really don't think it's going to matter much to you in the long run.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on December 02, 2015, 07:07:16 PM
man if they make ffx-3
i hope that kid that wanted to be a blitzball when he grew up
achove that dream
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on December 03, 2015, 09:51:06 AM
man if they make ffx-3
i hope that kid that wanted to be a blitzball when he grew up
achove that dream

Plot twist: he's the blitzball that kills Tidus.  So... he's dead.  Poor kid.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on December 26, 2015, 10:45:51 AM
Watch Lightning brandish a sword bag as a Louis Vuitton model!  Unlike most models, Lightning can't get fat and geeks get a rare insight into the fashion world.*... win-win!  Joking aside, at least the CG is, as usual, gorgeous to look at.
https://youtu.be/vFmSk0hQx9k

*Stupid joke I know; but I can't help but wonder who the demographic for this was

(http://i.imgur.com/GOykWzW.gif)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on December 26, 2015, 01:06:45 PM
Watch Lightning brandish a sword bag as a Louis Vuitton model!  Unlike most models, Lightning can't get fat and geeks get a rare insight into the fashion world.*... win-win!  Joking aside, at least the CG is, as usual, gorgeous to look at.
https://youtu.be/vFmSk0hQx9k

*Stupid joke I know; but I can't help but wonder who the demographic for this was

(http://i.imgur.com/GOykWzW.gif)


Well at least she found some work in this crazy new world she ended up in.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ironmage on December 26, 2015, 09:27:42 PM
Well, handbags were a female-equippable weapon in FFT, so I guess it's not entirely unprecedented...

Well at least she found some work in this crazy new world she ended up in.

From soldier to fashion model sounds like a demotion to me, but whatever pays the bills, I guess.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on December 26, 2015, 11:17:44 PM
Well, handbags were a female-equippable weapon in FFT, so I guess it's not entirely unprecedented...

Well at least she found some work in this crazy new world she ended up in.

From soldier to fashion model sounds like a demotion to me, but whatever pays the bills, I guess.

Fashion models get paid way more to do far less... let's be real here, this is a career change with absolutely no downside.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ironmage on December 27, 2015, 01:03:09 AM
Fashion models get paid way more to do far less... let's be real here, this is a career change with absolutely no downside.

If you derive your job satisfaction partly from the challenge, then "doing far less" might indeed be a downside.  Switching to an advertising job might be rewarding for some, but I sure wouldn't sign up, even with a pay raise.

If Lightning was starting her own fashion company, I would see that as more in character.  Being a model seems too ... I don't know, small scale, somehow?  But I guess I don't really understand her character very well anyway.

Part of me is wondering why we're discussing the hypothesized career change of a fictional character so seriously.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on December 27, 2015, 03:38:27 AM
Fashion models get paid way more to do far less... let's be real here, this is a career change with absolutely no downside.

If you derive your job satisfaction partly from the challenge, then "doing far less" might indeed be a downside.  Switching to an advertising job might be rewarding for some, but I sure wouldn't sign up, even with a pay raise.

If Lightning was starting her own fashion company, I would see that as more in character.  Being a model seems too ... I don't know, small scale, somehow?  But I guess I don't really understand her character very well anyway.

Part of me is wondering why we're discussing the hypothesized career change of a fictional character so seriously.

You're the one who started it.

At any rate, considering that her previous job description was "Punch God in the face." which she did, she kinda hit her previous career's apex. Besides, she was quite burnt out with her old job anyways, to the point where her apathy was palatable, so its not entirely unreasonable to want to find something else to do with herself afterwards.

What I really find amusing out of all of this is the fact that I think we've finally hit upon our first full fledged digital actress (well, one that got her start in videogames at least; Hatsumi Miku kinda had her beat by the better part of a decade; though either way, Kenji Eno must be spinning in his grave).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on December 27, 2015, 10:00:05 AM
If America's Next Top Model is still a thing, Lightning should be a contestant.  If she is denied, SJWs can just scream prejudice against digital/virtual/AI women or something like that.  
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on December 27, 2015, 11:00:08 AM
If America's Next Top Model is still a thing, Lightning should be a contestant.  If she is denied, SJWs can just scream prejudice against digital/virtual/AI women or something like that.  

Wasn't she last in France though (and is Japanese, I guess; more like Anime, maybe)?

But hey, yeah. Go send them a letter making the recommendation. I totally, and unironically, support this plan 10 hundredths percent.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on December 28, 2015, 01:38:25 AM
Fashion models get paid way more to do far less...

You'd probably be surprised actually.  You're usually lucky to hit the seven year work anniversary and it's a generally nasty business (likely in large part because the models are hungry...but that's just one theory).

If she is denied, SJWs can just scream prejudice against digital/virtual/AI women or something like that.  

(http://i.imgur.com/gxqDZqJ.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on December 28, 2015, 02:46:44 AM
Fashion models get paid way more to do far less...

You'd probably be surprised actually.  You're usually lucky to hit the seven year work anniversary and it's a generally nasty business (likely in large part because the models are hungry...but that's just one theory).

If she is denied, SJWs can just scream prejudice against digital/virtual/AI women or something like that.  

(http://i.imgur.com/gxqDZqJ.jpg)
We are talking about being a soldier...more specifically, Lightning's variation of a soldier. I can almost safely say that short of a plus size model for target, Fashion Models willl always make more money and do less than any military branch...aside from maybe the highest ranking positions. It's not to say that the modeling industry is simply "wear pretty clothes and smile, get paychecks" as it's not. However, 1 9 month deployment to a battle-ready location is most defintely going to make most any fashion industry job seem like...well...wearing clothes for a living.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on December 28, 2015, 05:53:24 AM
Fashion models get paid way more to do far less...

You'd probably be surprised actually.  You're usually lucky to hit the seven year work anniversary and it's a generally nasty business (likely in large part because the models are hungry...but that's just one theory).

If she is denied, SJWs can just scream prejudice against digital/virtual/AI women or something like that.  

(http://i.imgur.com/gxqDZqJ.jpg)
We are talking about being a soldier...more specifically, Lightning's variation of a soldier. I can almost safely say that short of a plus size model for target, Fashion Models willl always make more money and do less than any military branch...aside from maybe the highest ranking positions. It's not to say that the modeling industry is simply "wear pretty clothes and smile, get paychecks" as it's not. However, 1 9 month deployment to a battle-ready location is most defintely going to make most any fashion industry job seem like...well...wearing clothes for a living.

I don't know. Getting fucked up for the rest of your life for stepping on an IED buried beneath some rubble versus getting fucked up for the rest of your life for all the crazy ass drugs you need to dope yourself up with in a fleeting effort to maintain your employability up until your expiration date rolls around, makes it seem that if anything, the military is the more preferable career choice since it at least offers a chance that you won't get royally fucked up for the rest of your life.

That said, this entire argument is really fucking stupid anyways. We all know that Lightning's real job description was, and will continue to be, Toriyama's waifu.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on December 28, 2015, 08:41:52 AM
So that there FF Explorers is shaping up to look pretty sweet, yeah? Got the CE already ordered on someone else's dime as a Birthday present. Got a whole month to decide which job class to focus on.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on December 28, 2015, 08:47:29 AM
So that there FF Explorers is shaping up to look pretty sweet, yeah? Got the CE already ordered on someone else's dime as a Birthday present. Got a whole month to decide which job class to focus on.

Unfortunately, its kinda hard for me to go into a second MonHun alike in a row. Call me in a few months once I've had my fill of XBCX (or several once I've had some time to sink into FE:Fates as well).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on December 28, 2015, 10:32:42 AM
If America's Next Top Model is still a thing, Lightning should be a contestant.  If she is denied, SJWs can just scream prejudice against digital/virtual/AI women or something like that.  

Wasn't she last in France though (and is Japanese, I guess; more like Anime, maybe)?

But hey, yeah. Go send them a letter making the recommendation. I totally, and unironically, support this plan 10 hundredths percent.

Lightning's not Japanese!  She's.... Cocoonian?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on December 28, 2015, 10:55:15 AM
If America's Next Top Model is still a thing, Lightning should be a contestant.  If she is denied, SJWs can just scream prejudice against digital/virtual/AI women or something like that.  

Wasn't she last in France though (and is Japanese, I guess; more like Anime, maybe)?

But hey, yeah. Go send them a letter making the recommendation. I totally, and unironically, support this plan 10 hundredths percent.

Lightning's not Japanese!  She's.... Cocoonian?

They all look like impossible anime-esque EurAsian hybrids anyways.
Seriously, look at the size of Stella's iris compared to the old fart next to her (https://xboxoz360.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/ffxv.jpg).

That said, this entire argument is really fucking stupid anyways. We all know that Lightning's real job description was, and will continue to be, Toriyama's waifu.

Last answer is most correct.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on December 28, 2015, 07:18:16 PM
They all look like impossible anime-esque EurAsian hybrids anyways.
Seriously, look at the size of Stella's iris compared to the old fart next to her (https://xboxoz360.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/ffxv.jpg).

Next gen graphics got me like

(http://pics1.ds-static.com/prodimg/388181/300.JPG)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 28, 2015, 10:37:54 PM
Serah is the perfect choice for this kind of fashion commercial they did with Lightning. Hell, even Jihl Nabaat fits better regardless of her status and role within the series.

They all look like impossible anime-esque EurAsian hybrids anyways.
Seriously, look at the size of Stella's iris compared to the old fart next to her (https://xboxoz360.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/ffxv.jpg).

Stylized esthetics make you salty?

(http://i.imgur.com/MOsL7Bs.png)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on December 28, 2015, 10:44:45 PM
Serah is the perfect choice for this kind of fashion commercial they did with Lightning. Hell, even Jihl Nabaat fits better regardless of her status and role within the series.

They all look like impossible anime-esque EurAsian hybrids anyways.
Seriously, look at the size of Stella's iris compared to the old fart next to her (https://xboxoz360.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/ffxv.jpg).

Stylized esthetics make you salty?

(http://i.imgur.com/MOsL7Bs.png)

Freakishly large is the word I'd use, especially for the level of realism the game otherwise seems to be taking on.

And I agree about Jihl being better (really wish the games did more with her...she was nice to look at).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 29, 2015, 12:48:18 AM
Freakishly large is the word I'd use, especially for the level of realism the game otherwise seems to be taking on.

Accentuation of realism through stylization is fairly common when it comes to 3D animation and design. And the same has been the case for XV's (and a fairly big part of FF's) art direction for a long time.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on December 29, 2015, 02:15:30 AM
Freakishly large is the word I'd use, especially for the level of realism the game otherwise seems to be taking on.

Accentuation of realism through stylization is fairly common when it comes to 3D animation and design. And the same has been the case for XV's (and a fairly big part of FF's) art direction for a long time.

(http://i.imgur.com/7fpJP9o.gif)

EDIT: See, what's funny is that bit I JUST quoted is a much better response than the previous thing you said (so I almost feel bad for the lame gif response).  But, because you being the way you are, just HAD to start off with "you're just salty!!" first than, y'know, actually try to discuss things. :)
I'd respond again now, but...given how our discussions usually go, I'm just going to save time and effort:

So uh let's AGREE TO DISAGREE.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 29, 2015, 07:56:37 PM
Wasn't even trying to go after a negative connotation in my message, but whatever you say Lady Dado. Though, again, the look and movement of a character in 3D (or 2D) has to be emphasized even in the most realistic of art directions. Seeing it as a negative is only limiting yourself and what is being created. That being said, in a realistic environment there are default limitations that can't be pushed too much thanks to the uncanny valley being a thing, but regardless with that going on there stylization can, and has been, done. I mean fuck, there are people that has the most eclectic looks and features out there. Sure worrying about consistency in the design is the most obvious part of the process, but what matters the most is how it comes to life.

Also, if you're curious check this out (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqgKtVNb4XU).

(http://i.imgur.com/aB0bpsA.png)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on December 29, 2015, 09:03:47 PM
Wasn't even trying to go after a negative connotation in my message, but whatever you say Lady Dado. Though, again, the look and movement of a character in 3D (or 2D) has to be emphasized even in the most realistic of art directions. Seeing it as a negative is only limiting yourself and what is being created. That being said, in a realistic environment there are default limitations that can't be pushed too much thanks to the uncanny valley being a thing, but regardless with that going on there stylization can, and has been, done. I mean fuck, there are people that has the most eclectic looks and features out there. Sure worrying about consistency in the design is the most obvious part of the process, but what matters the most is how it comes to life.

Also, if you're curious check this out (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqgKtVNb4XU).

(http://i.imgur.com/aB0bpsA.png)

Holy shit that guy at 14:47 in that video ALMOST looks real.

Man CGI has come a long way.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 30, 2015, 01:00:23 PM
Holy shit that got at 14:47 in that video ALMOST looks real.

Man CGI has come a long way.

I'm sure there's at least one henchmen in Uncharted that resembles him.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on December 31, 2015, 11:44:36 AM
FF9 coming to smart phones and pc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oDeSJI0qJc

incidently FF14 is getting a zidane outfit
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Der Jermeister on December 31, 2015, 07:34:56 PM
FF9 definitely needed an option to speed up battles, and I'm glad they're including one in the forthcoming ports.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on December 31, 2015, 08:47:08 PM
Maybe it'll run at a better framerate which will also make the battles faster.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 01, 2016, 09:48:31 PM
FF9 definitely needed an option to speed up battles, and I'm glad they're including one in the forthcoming ports.

Great!  I can replay it sooner than I thought! :D
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on January 06, 2016, 12:50:12 PM
FF9 soon on Steam.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/377840

Quote
・Seven game boosters including high speed and no encounter modes.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on January 06, 2016, 01:51:06 PM
Well that kinda makes an Excalibur II run a lot less impressive, doesn't it?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 06, 2016, 02:02:06 PM
Excaliber II was already a terrible idea anyway considering the nature of 9's side quest plethora. Congrats...you got Steiner's best sword...and nothing else. (Not to mention PAL territories got shafted with a buggy game code that made obtaining it literally impossible.) Having a way to cheese it would be beyond welcome.

That said, I highly doubt high speed will make that a cake walk. Odds are they're using a system similar to that in emulators, where you get high speed just by disabling the frame rate cap. So the in game time will very likely be chugging along at the same accelerated pace. (Heck, if I remember right even the one game that had such a thing built in, Chrono Cross, didn't have a game time separated by acceleration/deceleration; part of the reason the 100 Dragon Feed is typically recommend New Game+.)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on January 06, 2016, 02:21:27 PM
Wasn't game time in console games tied to the console clock (and not the FPS) ?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 06, 2016, 02:54:09 PM
No idea honestly. I at least know it was (sorta) for the PS2 era because of the Metal Gear Solid 3 shenanigans.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: EmeraldSword on January 06, 2016, 03:11:22 PM
Playing FFX remastered on PS4 and hearing Tidus obnoxious laugh and general speech is making me cringe line by line. I don't know how I got through this game the first time I played it when I was a senior in high school waaaaaaay back in 2000.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 06, 2016, 03:23:36 PM
Playing FFX remastered on PS4 and hearing Tidus obnoxious laugh and general speech is making me cringe line by line. I don't know how I got through this game the first time I played it when I was a senior in high school waaaaaaay back in 2000.

My guess would be that it has to do with FFX being an awesome video game.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 06, 2016, 05:27:00 PM
Playing FFX remastered on PS4 and hearing Tidus obnoxious laugh and general speech is making me cringe line by line. I don't know how I got through this game the first time I played it when I was a senior in high school waaaaaaay back in 2000.

I remember that. 

I was playing in our family room.  The scene happened.  My dad the room over went "Steph wtf are you playing".  My face turned red cuz I had no idea how to answer.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 06, 2016, 06:01:38 PM
Playing FFX remastered on PS4 and hearing Tidus obnoxious laugh and general speech is making me cringe line by line. I don't know how I got through this game the first time I played it when I was a senior in high school waaaaaaay back in 2000.

I remember that. 

I was playing in our family room.  The scene happened.  My dad the room over went "Steph wtf are you playing".  My face turned red cuz I had no idea how to answer.

The correct answer is 'Anime'. :V
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: EmeraldSword on January 06, 2016, 06:10:35 PM
Lol, so this seemed appropriate. Disclaimer: don't turn your speakers up too loud if you don't want to freak out a significant other, roomie, friend or family member. Better yet... use headphones, hah.

Tremor (Tidus Laugh Remix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9u26N3R_zQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9u26N3R_zQ)

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/f3b7827a1a2f8fd42ff1c6010ff49167/tumblr_n3r0a49fGG1sthzylo1_250.gif)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on January 06, 2016, 06:14:36 PM
My parents saw the RIDESS ZE SHOOPUFF scene
also the stabby bit from Chrono Cross i think my mom thought i was growing up to be a satanist or something my parents were weird when i was 12
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on January 06, 2016, 07:05:10 PM
English laughing scene was better than the Japanese. 

Here's one.  

Not only did I like the laughing scene in FFX, but I thought the English version of it was superior to the Japanese version of it.  

I say everything I need to say about it here: http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=6353.0

And while I thought it was awkward in its execution at first, I realize that THAT's what makes the scene what it is.  It's supposed to be awkward and it becomes really endearing.  

EDIT: Japanese laughing scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAgVjH9V9Ps (starts at 5:45.  Laughing at about 8:01)

English laughing scene:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg9I54vFFms
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on January 06, 2016, 07:09:07 PM
I was damn happy my mom wasn't home when I got to the massage mini-game in X-2.
I don't think I can give a good explanation for those sounds to someone who knows nothing of JRPG culture.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on January 06, 2016, 07:11:12 PM
LeBlanc's voice actress was certainly overselling it.  Though I'm sure she must have been having a lot of fun when recording that bit.  Either that, or it took multiple takes because I'd be cracking up too much.  EDIT: Then again, this is LeBlanc and she demands an over-the-top performance.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 06, 2016, 07:56:20 PM
I actually thought LeBlanc was one of the few talents among the lot who really worked with the crap role she was given. :P 

Looking back on FFX-2, I felt like I was playing a Final Fantasy 10 theme park.  Some weird imitation of the real story condensed into the important locations and a slew of mini games (most of them terrible).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on January 06, 2016, 08:50:32 PM
Theme parks are a lot better when you're an adult and know where they sell booze, although I'm a boring af teetotaler so that doesn't help me any.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Frostillicus on January 07, 2016, 10:36:24 AM
^ I love me some booze, and I love me some roller coasters, but... I would never mix the two. I rode a ferris wheel drunk once and subsequently regretted it.

Now, herb and roller coasters? Hell yeah.




Sorry for the hijack. Back to the discussion at hand.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 07, 2016, 11:05:32 AM
I'm a boring af teetotaler

Hey, me too!  Was your mom and all her friends raging alcoholics when you were a kid, too?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on January 07, 2016, 01:03:08 PM
Final Fantasy IX steam page is up! http://store.steampowered.com/app/377840

7 Game boosters including No Encounters and High Speed. Mmm,that's the good stuff.

I'm actually more excited by the modding prospects. Due to FFIX never getting a PC realese its very under-modded compared to FF7 and to a lesser extent FF8.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on January 07, 2016, 05:50:04 PM
I actually thought LeBlanc was one of the few talents among the lot who really worked with the crap role she was given. :P 


As did I.  She's such an over the top, hammy character that I'm sure her voice actress had a lot of fun wilding out for that role.  She was also Vella in Broken Age so that really shows her versatility as an actor. 

...and I stopped drinking June 2014.  Best decision I ever made. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Der Jermeister on January 07, 2016, 06:21:41 PM
FFX-2 was definitely one of the funniest RPGs I've ever played, another contender for that title being Arc the Lad III.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on January 07, 2016, 07:55:24 PM
I'm a boring af teetotaler

Hey, me too!  Was your mom and all her friends raging alcoholics when you were a kid, too?

No my mom and her friends didn't start drinking until I was highschool and she got way cooler after that :T I think alcohol would legits give me bouts of depression though so Iiiiiiiii'mmavoidinit.

(also OSU football culture and the waves of stale beer and mystery urine and drunk rednecks flooding the streets near my apartment on a regular basis during football season ffffffffff)

(also I think I mentioned this elsewhere but I ate half a stollen on New Years which has a /really small/ amount of rum in it and I zonked hard after that so I mean)

Re FFIX port on Steam, I hope that's just compression artifacts in the screenshots but the backgrounds do NOT look good. I mean yeah I get that they're still low res, but it looks like they TRIED to filter them and it didn't turn out righjt. Pixellated I can deal with. Blurriness I can't. also if you're going to upres the models like that, there's a limit on how much you can do it before they really clash with the backgrounds.

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/377840/ss_fe4fbd8ac03bd989739f3ccff2a19aba91b4d883.1920x1080.jpg?t=1452102661

This really shows it -- you can see a lot of distortion in the high-contrast edges, like on the little orange roof bit overlapping the plaza. i mean that IS a jpeg so hopefully it's compression but still. also the contrast looks off.

(Oh, and I think if I had to sum up the mood I got form FFVII, I'd say that the game felt like standing on the top floor of a parking garage early in the evening at the tail-end of summer and watching a storm roll in. ).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Isjaki on January 07, 2016, 08:38:08 PM
I thought FFX-2 had a wonderful battle system. I just wish that it was a bit more difficult.

Yikes, that screenshot doesn't look too good. Hopefully it is just a shot.  I might pass on this port. If I want to play FFIX I will either throw in my ps1 disc or get it for Vita.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on January 07, 2016, 09:34:02 PM
i hated the X-2 battle system because it felt like a step backwards from X mechanically.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 07, 2016, 10:47:34 PM
Yikes, that screenshot doesn't look too good. Hopefully it is just a shot.  I might pass on this port. If I want to play FFIX I will either throw in my ps1 disc or get it for Vita.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=551612
High res art for FFIX exists too, I just don't know in what quantity or if they'd actually use it for this...

(http://i.imgur.com/kiKvOAo.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on January 07, 2016, 11:04:55 PM
Btw, there are really prominent "breaks" in the Alexandria background in that screen -- were those in the original game? They don't seem to be going with the "grain" of the original pixelation.

(Fanmade better background mod better be a thing).

(Also morbid curiosity makes me want to see what FFVI Phone Edition-ified FFIX would look like).

-- edit --

For the sake of science...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22006397/PSD3D001.png <- Unfiltered backgrounds. Maybe I'm alone on this but I REALLY prefer this to the blurry upscaled ones in the PC version

Oh and it definitely doesn't have those weird breaks in it like the PC version's showing.

(Also I don't think the Steam screenshot being a JPEG is causing the color artifacting -- the models look fine. The breaks in the background aren't affecting the models either, so that's definitely an issue with the backgrounds).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Isjaki on January 08, 2016, 01:51:58 AM
i hated the X-2 battle system because it felt like a step backwards from X mechanically.

I think X had one of the best battle systems in FF, but I consider X-2 to be more of a step away from X to the more classic ATB type battles.  Both appeal to me.

That IX high res art....... if only.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 08, 2016, 09:57:43 AM
FFX had a very boring battle system, lacked any real urgency in combat. I don't like that, makes me fall asleep. X2 was much better for sure in my opinion, as was the garment grid concept (albeit very girly). X was cool for a lot of things, but I'll always find X2 to be the better designed game.

I won't lie though, maxing out speed in X and abusing the literal fuck out of hastega and quick hit...priceless.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 08, 2016, 03:09:55 PM
FFX had a very boring battle system, lacked any real urgency in combat. I don't like that, makes me fall asleep. X2 was much better for sure in my opinion, as was the garment grid concept (albeit very girly). X was cool for a lot of things, but I'll always find X2 to be the better designed game.

I won't lie though, maxing out speed in X and abusing the literal fuck out of hastega and quick hit...priceless.

FFX was use X character gimmick on Y enemy type because there were like 6 different enemy types throughout the game.

Oh and the encounter rate is really fucking high, but that was largely to help pad out the gameplay time due to the fact that the game isn't all that long otherwise.

And enemies don't even bother to start stepping up their game til Thunder Plains.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on January 09, 2016, 10:56:52 AM
For the sake of science...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22006397/PSD3D001.png <- Unfiltered backgrounds. Maybe I'm alone on this but I REALLY prefer this to the blurry upscaled ones in the PC version

Oh and it definitely doesn't have those weird breaks in it like the PC version's showing.

(Also I don't think the Steam screenshot being a JPEG is causing the color artifacting -- the models look fine. The breaks in the background aren't affecting the models either, so that's definitely an issue with the backgrounds).

Here, people ran that with Waifu2X.
(https://a.pomf.cat/dkyjwc.png)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on January 09, 2016, 09:24:38 PM
I just remembered:

Before I had consoles, I'd like guy to Waldenbooks and read strategy guides. I really liked reading the FFVII one in particular and looking at the screens of the golden saucer.

This is basically what I had instead of let's plays when I was younger
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ScottC on January 09, 2016, 10:24:02 PM
The last game of this years Awesome Games Done Quick will be FF4.  It'll be a 3:30 minute speedrun without the 64 floor glitch so it should be pretty cool t watch.  Should be starting in about a half an hour -

http://www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on January 09, 2016, 10:48:06 PM
My boyfriend has made me stay up til 4am to watch this. So yeah, we're watching.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ScottC on January 09, 2016, 10:54:31 PM
Yeah should be a good one I'll be watching till I fall asleep, and so it doesn't get buried in the page switch I'll link it again for everyone else - AGDQ Finale FF4 Speedrun(no 64 floor glitch) - http://www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 13, 2016, 04:39:36 PM
So....  Lightning got "interviewed" about her Louis Vuitton modelling.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/people/final-fantasy-character-lightning-on-starring-in-louis-vuitton-c/

Quote from: Lightning
One day, not so far in the future, I will be out there again, in a world of strife. But I won’t be the same person I was before. I will return to my origins, like a Mobius strip, but it’ll be a new me, one who has evolved.

#LightninginMidgar (http://abload.de/img/lightning-returns-clozdjos.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew on January 13, 2016, 04:42:50 PM
Okay, wow. That is so weird. Also, I've never heard Lightning say so many words at once - clearly an impostor. ;)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 13, 2016, 05:16:58 PM
So....  Lightning got "interviewed" about her Louis Vuitton modelling.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/people/final-fantasy-character-lightning-on-starring-in-louis-vuitton-c/

Quote from: Lightning
One day, not so far in the future, I will be out there again, in a world of strife. But I won’t be the same person I was before. I will return to my origins, like a Mobius strip, but it’ll be a new me, one who has evolved.

#LightninginMidgar (http://abload.de/img/lightning-returns-clozdjos.jpg)

Please no.  I don't even hate Lightning, but please.... please... no....
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: EmeraldSword on January 13, 2016, 05:17:12 PM
So....  Lightning got "interviewed" about her Louis Vuitton modelling.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/people/final-fantasy-character-lightning-on-starring-in-louis-vuitton-c/

Hmmm... kinda weird, no? New efforts at increasing brand awareness? (Sorry I skimmed the article).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 13, 2016, 05:56:36 PM
omg this Kotaku tweet: "Lightning gets more character development in a fake fashion interview than all of her games."
 https://twitter.com/Kotaku/status/687339413299425280
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on January 13, 2016, 06:36:14 PM
Shit did they just
imply that Cloud is a reincarnated Lightning
and also vice versa
or something?

So if we consider that Typo, Agito, and 15-o are also Final Fantasy XIIIs...

OH GOD IS FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE GOING TO BE FINAL FANTASY XIII-VII?

ALSO IIIX IS ANOTHER WAY OF RENDERING 7 IN ROMAN NUMERALS IF YOU'RE BAD AT ROMAN NUMERALS

OH GOD.

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1752101/helvetica-scenario-shorter-o.gif)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 14, 2016, 12:02:16 PM
Oh no!  The Helvetica Scenario!!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on January 14, 2016, 10:22:08 PM
Nice, I'm happy to see there are other people who just...look around you.

What's this about Final Fantasy?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on January 15, 2016, 07:52:31 AM
So....  Lightning got "interviewed" about her Louis Vuitton modelling.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/people/final-fantasy-character-lightning-on-starring-in-louis-vuitton-c/

Quote from: Lightning
One day, not so far in the future, I will be out there again, in a world of strife. But I won’t be the same person I was before. I will return to my origins, like a Mobius strip, but it’ll be a new me, one who has evolved.

#LightninginMidgar (http://abload.de/img/lightning-returns-clozdjos.jpg)

Please no.  I don't even hate Lightning, but please.... please... no....

And why not?  Lightning wears Cloud's outfit pretty well in that Lightning Returns unlockable.  She is so a model... who literally gets in Cloud's pants.   http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/Lightning_Returns_Final_Fantasy_XIII/art-017.jpg


But, again, flesh and blood models who starve themselves and do ridiculous amounts of cocaine to maintain that look will probably protest the use of a CG/virtual model and digital discrimination will become a new racism thing.    
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Draak on January 15, 2016, 07:54:37 AM
Lightning is the model the fashion world deserves.

This marketing stunt is fairly entertaining. Always count on SE to keep the crazy coming.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on January 15, 2016, 11:50:19 PM
Is there like, a Final Fantasy All-Star Golf game?

If not, why?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 16, 2016, 01:39:33 AM
Is there like, a Final Fantasy All-Star Golf game?

If not, why?

I know a couple of FF characters made cameos in Mario 3 v 3 Hoops way back when. That sorta counts right?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 16, 2016, 10:16:01 PM
Ah.. Final Fantasy.. I'll say there is one thing I know about Final Fantasy, and that is that it is the one thing where no matter what someone tells me about it I can't help but notice it has no relationship with my own experience.

I've heard many, many opinions on the series, on different entries, on all kinds of things, and it's just the reccuring thing where people tell me things (7 is the best, I can't stand FF, Persona is better or something, 9 is the best, it all went downhill at 13, at 10, at 6, at 3).

A lot of the time it's negative, and then I go and watch like the FF6 cinematic and I'm like, ok that was certainly intense... or like you get Edgar and Sabin, etc, lots of moments that are hard to forget.

Then you have like I don't know the ending of FFX which is just kind of pure drama heartfeltness it's like whoa, well, that was pretty amazing.

And that's just how it is, it seems it will go, especially as I say now.. FF8 was probably the most fun FF I played between 4-13, which seems to be on a lot of people's negative list. I actually never even owned 7 although I did play it.

For reference (and of course this wasn't in the original SNES version, seemed pretty faithful though)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmw3X-oIY4o

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on January 17, 2016, 07:35:07 AM
And that's what makes it so great.  That pretty much every RPG fan *has* an experience with FF that they hold dear and it will be unique from someone else's.  FF8 is the FF I complain about the most, yet it is my favorite in the series.  FF8 is the ONLY FF game I've played to completion more than once, having beaten it 3 times. 

And that doesn't even get into the bigger discussion of how within our insular community where "everyone we know" plays FF, it's difficult for some folks to fathom scenarios like this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U8NZOAy7m4  Kinda like how, when I used to play in a punk band, punk seemed a lot more popular than it really was, simply because everyone around me was into it. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 18, 2016, 11:17:29 AM
What everyone needs to know about the Final Fantasy series is that it is probably the most-hated-but-objectively-fantastic game series in the world.  No other franchise receives as much unwarranted negativity as Final Fantasy.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Isjaki on January 18, 2016, 05:49:06 PM
It is good stuff.

X was my first FF and it holds a special place with me. All though, I finished the HD remaster and felt like I didn't really ever need to play it again. I just think I played it too many times. I was 10 years old when it came out and that is all I played for the longest time.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on January 18, 2016, 06:14:55 PM
Yeah, I'm glad I didn't get the re-release of 7 on PC right now.
Had I played it, I think I would have been way less excited for the remake.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 18, 2016, 06:53:14 PM
What everyone needs to know about the Final Fantasy series is that it is probably the most-hated-but-objectively-fantastic game series in the world.  No other franchise receives as much unwarranted negativity as Final Fantasy.

I feel like the biggest problem with Final Fantasy is that the games have, outside of FFV, really shallow and lackluster game designs and focuses almost entirely on style over substance (boss encounters being the big exception). You've basically seen all of FFIV's base mechanics by the time Cecil becomes a Paladin (since Cid doesn't add anything, adult Rydia is only really a mid season upgrade like Cecil's Paladin Job, Edge is a hybrid in a game that doesn't take kindly to hybrids, and FuSoYa is basically Tellah 1.5), Espers are the last new mechanic outside of getting Gogo or Relm's half broken ass since even stuff like Strago's Lore is mostly irrelevant compared to everyone nuking everything with Ultima. FFVII's Materia only really factors in during the late/endgame where its Final Attack + Revive/Phoenix and Bahamut ZERO/KotR all the way down, FFVIII's Junction was probably the least broken thing in that game as GFs were awful outside of the prologue and Limit Breaks could be spammed nigh-indefinitely. IX almost had a good thing going, but the game is such a massive slog that its just not worth going back to, and X taught you everything worth knowing by the end of Besaid (other than Mix! which was grindy sperg heaven and largely optional anyways). X-2 falls apart the moment you get either Dark Knight, Alchemist, or Berserker, XII-1 consisted of making a beeline to the Licenses that actually improved your combat abilities instead of the shit that let you wear gear you couldn't afford/find or abilities that were mostly crap barring the few that only showed up in the secret shop way off in upper level land, among other things. While XIII-1 actually tried to deal with this in the most backwards and disingenuous way possible by partitioning out your growth mechanic access along with other essential mechanics like choosing a party leader or building a party for as long as possible while XIII-2 is what happens when you don't do that.

I think FFXIII-3 is the first FF game with something approaching a legitimately good combat system.

The rest of the series is some variety of JDrama set to Attack, Attack, Heal, Attack....
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 18, 2016, 07:26:06 PM
FFVIII's... as GFs were awful outside of the prologue...

That's a rather strange impression to walk away with. My first ever encounter with VIII was somewhere around 7th/8th grade. I didn't fully understand the depth of the Junction system so I never really used it. My impression from the prologue was that GFs were basically your anti-boss weapons. So my tactic for every single boss in the game was to pull up a set of GFs and go to town. You can beat almost the entire game, leveling up like it were a normal FF (I didn't know about the scaling then), and barely doing any junctioning, just with GFs. (Including the side bosses.)

The only point tactic this will come back to bite you is in the Griever battle right at the very end.

So I don't really see how they can be awful.

Plus...Doomtrain, enough said. <3
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on January 18, 2016, 08:01:16 PM
What everyone needs to know about the Final Fantasy series is that it is probably the most-hated-but-objectively-fantastic game series in the world.  No other franchise receives as much unwarranted negativity as Final Fantasy.

Define "objectively-fantastic."
Define "unwarranted."
Define "negativity."
Define "as."
Define "is."
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 20, 2016, 09:37:11 AM
What everyone needs to know about the Final Fantasy series is that it is probably the most-hated-but-objectively-fantastic game series in the world.  No other franchise receives as much unwarranted negativity as Final Fantasy.

Define "objectively-fantastic."
Define "unwarranted."
Define "negativity."
Define "as."
Define "is."


"Objectively fantastic": well-crafted with welcoming and nicely designed music and visuals, with a low barrier of entry but enough depth to allow for swimming.

"unwarranted": unnecessary, not deserving of

"negativity": criticism, bitterness, resent, complaining

"as": uh... is this like a... a predicate or something?

"is": ask Bill Clinton.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 20, 2016, 09:30:44 PM
What everyone needs to know about the Final Fantasy series is that it is probably the most-hated-but-objectively-fantastic game series in the world.  No other franchise receives as much unwarranted negativity as Final Fantasy.

Yeah I like this statement in general, although, I finally got a chance to play through big portions of 1, 2, and 3 (the original 1, 2, and 3) and I noticed there were definitely different stylistic things that changed fairly dramatically how I felt.

FF1 - Really solid, felt good, lots of fun, felt like it kind of "defined" Final Fantasy
FF2 - Whoa! What am I playing? This is completely differently, very grind heavy, still respected it on some level, but very, very similar to FF1, felt almost like a shift from one RPG to a completely different one, mostly it just seemed like a canonical version of FF1. Also, twas annoying to play as like rebels and do this whole thing after being the warrior of light. I still had some fun though, the problem seemed to stem from just the whole affair feeling very taut and no space to breathe and it was just jarring compared to the previous game.
FF3 - Whoa! What am I playing? This is completely different (but in the opposite of different from FF2), very engaging, very interesting RPG. Aesthetically felt fairly different from FF1 but not in a bad way necessarily.
FF4 - Eh, it's ok, it's got all the FF elements, but everything's starting to get bogged down in other stuff, felt sort of watered down and uneven in many ways, even though it seemed to be quite popular, a trend which would return later.
FF5 - Huh, interesting! I got the least far in this game, but this actually became the most interesting FF I played, felt like a return to FF1's kind of aesthetic away from the kind of somewhat messy FF4 experience, but also not as experimental, fleshing it all out. 
FF6 - Ok! Also cool, although it was fraustrating to see a kind of split in the experience, some parts were quite good, some were quite not.
FF7 - ICK! Lol sorry but FF7, for whatever reason, despite being one of the most popular, was easily my least favorite, had all things that modern FFs now have that don't interest me much at all.
FF8 - Amazing! On par with 6, and my experience with 5 as well
FF9 - Cool! It felt like a return to the earlier FF experience, although, I still found 8 more compelling 9 had a lot of slower moments/scenarios etc, never felt like 7 though or something.
FF10 - Sad, nostalgic, bitter, not super powerful, but still felt like a real FF experience.
FF11 - Whoa! The aesthetic of FF3 returns? I thought this was gone? Nice!
FF12 - Whoa! This is cool, it's a Yasumi Matsuno game and- oh god what happened here partway wow literally the only character who does anything is Balthier and yup well this is no longer a ton of fun.
FF13 - I uh.... uh.... well.... it's uh.... something for sure! It is... something... it's uh... daytime drama TV or something? I don't know, well, anyway, felt like they just made Final Fantasy 7 again but even more watered down which is like eh.....
FF14 - Hey this looks cool! Oh everyone hates it and this is all getting erased? Um, ok... *2 years later* Ok this looks pretty cool! Yup, this is FF3 and 11 again fundamentally, lots of changes but that works!

So to summarize the most engaging were FF1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 11.
And yet I can still basically agree that almost every point in FF has weird hatred that doesn't really add up.

Although thinking about it though that's a lot of FF ^_^, it could just be oftentimes it's hard to summarize feelings across so many hours of gameplay.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Frostillicus on January 21, 2016, 10:28:24 AM
^ Switch 4 and 8, and I pretty much agree with your take on everything else. Except 2. I hate that fucker. ...and 7, which I enjoyed.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 21, 2016, 10:34:46 AM
FF7 - ICK! Lol sorry but FF7, for whatever reason, despite being one of the most popular, was easily my least favorite, had all things that modern FFs now have that don't interest me much at all.
FF8 - Amazing! On par with 6, and my experience with 5 as well


Hipster alert?

I know it's hard, and everyone does it, but I wish we could judge things based on what they are and not how the masses view them.

Maybe One Direction is ACTUALLY good, too?  Even though I find that difficult to believe, simply because of who/what their massive fanbase is mostly comprised of.

Alternatively, Artimicia maybe just really didn't like VII and went into it completely without agenda.  But I am naturally skeptical of that.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on January 21, 2016, 10:41:39 AM
Man, FF4 is, in my opinion, the least interesting FF in the series and why Square is so obsessed with constantly releasing it is beyond me. It was competent, had the best normal battle theme of all, but I can't think of one truly unique thing the game did.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 21, 2016, 10:48:48 AM
Man, FF4 is, in my opinion, the least interesting FF in the series and why Square is so obsessed with constantly releasing it is beyond me. It was competent, had the best normal battle theme of all, but I can't think of one truly unique thing the game did.

Great story.  Great character.  Great music.

.........but it's on rails.  Once you've played it once, you never need to play it again.  inexcusable.  At least later versions added party-building in so the player has SOME kind of choice/influence on the game.  Other than that, the game does everything for you; you get the same party, same skills, same equipment every single time, at the same times.  Truly awful.

But all the fans ignore that because of the great story, great characters, and great music creating great nostalgia.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 21, 2016, 10:56:19 AM
Yeah I agree there.  Both of you.  Love the music, the characters are a fun bunch, and the story takes you for a ride every so often (Dwarf kingdom is awesome).... but I really have no desire to play it again.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Frostillicus on January 21, 2016, 11:05:31 AM
^ So basically, you guys are saying 4 is a memorable game, despite its obvious flaws.

I can live with that. I was gonna start setting fire to things...     4 is mah baybay!!

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on January 21, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
4 has that magnetic dungeon which is one of the worst idea of all times.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 21, 2016, 01:26:57 PM
^ So basically, you guys are saying 4 is a memorable game, despite its obvious flaws.

I can live with that. I was gonna start setting fire to things...     4 is mah baybay!!

FFIV is a case where there are a couple of legit good and cool things going for it (like Cecil's Job Change sequence), but most of the love comes from being 'first' to those new to late 80s/early 90s anime. The plot meanders, half the cast are there for a one off segment or mechanical reasons, several characters are handled just as badly (give or take) as any contemporary anime from the era, some of the segments are almost completely nonsensical, the plot kinda bends over backwards to keep shit from getting too real and most of the game just flat out favors Cecil over everybody else.

Well that and the music is really good. The Flight of the Red Wings (or whatever) is swank as all hell.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Frostillicus on January 21, 2016, 02:27:25 PM
Does nostalgia make me blind? Perhaps in many cases, but I don't feel that's the situation here. Nostalgia is the reason I like Pinball on the NES; any Sonic the Hedgehog game; or Madden '93 more than any other entry in the series, etc.
I thoroughly enjoy(ed) FFIV's characters; story (as nonsensical as it may be at points - I've personally never worried about how believable a JRPG's story is); and music. Those aspects are good enough for me to appreciate the game as much as I do. I just don't feel the game is as terrible as you over-analytical FF snobs make it out to be. =P


Don't like it?

Big Whoop. Wannafightaboutit??              (http://i68.tinypic.com/fxfh4o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on January 21, 2016, 04:05:41 PM
My tastes have simply changed lately where I appreciate interesting mechanics over a good story, and FF4 just lack any interesting mechanics. It's about as vanilla as an SNES RPG can get, and far more linear than that other certain entry people love to complain about so much. *insert much-needed Lightning emoji here*
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 21, 2016, 04:14:16 PM
I just don't feel the game is as terrible as you over-analytical FF snobs make it out to be. =P


Well, perhaps you'd like to know that I gave Final Fantasy IV: Complete Collection a 10/10 on GameFAQs (one of maybe only a dozen perfect scores I have given) and consider it, as a whole package, one of the greatest, most fun games I have ever played.  And that was only 2 years ago.

Back when I was a kid, IV annoyed me because a) it didn't let me DO anything, and b) it wasn't VI, which I considered the pinnacle of all video games.  So to experience it fresh as an adult, with its sequel story full of interesting characters and story bits, gave me an experience probably not unlike what a lot of 10-12 year old kid had back in the 90s.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Frostillicus on January 21, 2016, 04:56:22 PM
I just don't feel the game is as terrible as you over-analytical FF snobs make it out to be. =P


Well, perhaps you'd like to know that I gave Final Fantasy IV: Complete Collection a 10/10 on GameFAQs (one of maybe only a dozen perfect scores I have given) and consider it, as a whole package, one of the greatest, most fun games I have ever played.  And that was only 2 years ago.


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Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 21, 2016, 05:52:50 PM
I just don't feel the game is as terrible as you over-analytical FF snobs make it out to be. =P


Well, perhaps you'd like to know that I gave Final Fantasy IV: Complete Collection a 10/10 on GameFAQs (one of maybe only a dozen perfect scores I have given) and consider it, as a whole package, one of the greatest, most fun games I have ever played.  And that was only 2 years ago.

Back when I was a kid, IV annoyed me because a) it didn't let me DO anything, and b) it wasn't VI, which I considered the pinnacle of all video games.  So to experience it fresh as an adult, with its sequel story full of interesting characters and story bits, gave me an experience probably not unlike what a lot of 10-12 year old kid had back in the 90s.

Whoa! Stand back folks. We've got ourselves a GameFAQs Reviewer here.

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That said, its nice that you like it and all, I just feel like describing why I didn't. And yes, I totally forgot to mention that even for an FF game, the gameplay itself is wafer thin. It rapidly devolves into an MP management simulator since most of the time, you're stuck with Cecil's pitiful pool of MP (followed by Cecil's utter lack of anything above Cure 2) or god help you, Tellah on healing.

And before anyone calls me out on being a different FF fan, I should have you know that this was my first FF. I just don't care that much about the series anymore.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on January 21, 2016, 06:12:31 PM
FF4 was like Saturday morning cartoons for me.  GBA version was the best, I think.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 21, 2016, 06:18:56 PM
FFIV was a steaming pile of buggy shit when I played it on my playstation in the early 2000s. Swords did shitty damage, magic was really harsh on mp, fucking arrows raped everything, and the encounter rate....omfg haaaaatttttttteeeeeeee.

Was not a fan of IV.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: divingfalcons on January 21, 2016, 06:36:25 PM
I really liked FFIV, but I'd have to agree I think I'd struggle to revisit it. I could not for the life of me get into the DS Remake though. I tried The After Years when it first came out and it just didn't sit right with me. I can't put my finger on why.

Regardless, I think it might just squeeze into my top 5 FF's, because it does a lot right, but it's got problems.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on January 21, 2016, 07:00:36 PM
i think this is relevant to the future of Final Fantasy and kinda hilarious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VysWXsuGPHQ
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew on January 21, 2016, 09:29:30 PM
I actually only played IV for the first time in... maybe 2010? PSP version. I quite enjoyed it, I found it much less annoying to play through than others. The After Years is my most hated FF game though. *shrug*
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 21, 2016, 09:47:12 PM
The After Years is my most hated FF game though. *shrug*

Why's that?  I think my real issue with it is the phoned-in story that feels by-the-numbers JRPG, but I liked it "in concept".

Also the artwork, this piece makes me emotionally erect:
(http://lparchive.org/Final-Fantasy-IV-The-After-Years/Update%20122/1-Man_in_Black.jpg)

Polom and Porom also finally look decent as opposed to drunk children.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Spoony Mage on January 21, 2016, 10:44:39 PM
I'm also one of those to whom FFIV was my gateway RPG.  I basically played this on a dare because the video store clerk told me that a middle schooler like I was at the time couldn't appreciate something as "deep and involving" as an RPG.  Needless to say, I proved him dead wrong.

I've played FFIV to death and I enjoyed it a lot.  The mechanics and storytelling are rather quaint by today's standards, but it still holds a place in my heart.  Or maybe that's just Rydia, because Rydia is love.  :P  But then FFIII/VI came out and that still remains my favorite of the series to this day.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 21, 2016, 10:52:30 PM
I'm also one of those to whom FFIV was my gateway RPG.  I basically played this on a dare because the video store clerk told me that a middle schooler like I was at the time couldn't appreciate something as "deep and involving" as an RPG.  Needless to say, I proved him dead wrong.

I've played FFIV to death and I enjoyed it a lot.  The mechanics and storytelling are rather quaint by today's standards, but it still holds a place in my heart.  Or maybe that's just Rydia, because Rydia is love.  :P  But then FFIII/VI came out and that still remains my favorite of the series to this day.

Story time:  My brother got into gaming (and then I basically took it on too) and it started with FFIV.  We convinced our [Eastern European] dad to drop the dime on it because we told him one of the characters was a cossack...

...

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/d/dd/YangDS.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/200?cb=20100709195014)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/38/ee/9b/38ee9ba85de3493ece46fd418033b606.jpg)

The love affair began!  But I remember my brother was largely influenced by the music, I remember him trying to learn the IV overworld theme on his oldschool Casio Keyboard. x)
(http://weltenschule.de/TableHooters/picts/Casio_PT-80.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Limlight on January 21, 2016, 10:53:02 PM
FF4 was like Saturday morning cartoons for me.  GBA version was the best, I think.

granted it didn't come out until the end of the 90s (I think about 97) but to me ff4 jp hard type was the definitive version. That game kicked my ass at the most random times.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on January 21, 2016, 11:05:17 PM
My first experience with FFIV (and SoM for that matter) was playing this final fantasy parody Megazeux game called, uh, Final Fantasy Edventure. Used the overworld theme from FFIV and the town theme from SoM for the overworld and towns, respectively.

I think Drelick was involved with this somehow. I'm pretty sure my life would've turned out rather differently if not for Drelick and when I remember this my soul vomits.

https://youtu.be/zW_LNtWUWrI?t=157

Here this thing. It probably has swearing and 16x16 pixel nudity and some point actually that's probably Kikan nevermind.

My life is a trainwreck.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on January 22, 2016, 02:43:47 AM
by the time i played ff 4/5/6 i had recently played phantasy star 4 and they just werent on the same level for me. my first rpg was dragon quest 1 that came with nintendo power. the game that really got me into rpg's was shining force II. and sega's rpg's just had a different tone than square's did. was never a fan of the whimsical humor and half assed graphics of the early FF's. there was elelements i liked in ff 5 and 6 but they werent enough to drive my forward to the completion of the games.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 22, 2016, 05:23:18 AM
Oh! I should mention, my feelings on FF4 have been pretty complicated since it was one of my first FFs.

In fact, I always had really good memories of it, it's only in more recent times when 1-3 became more available that I realized most of the things I liked about 4 came from earlier FFs, and most of the things I didn't like about later FFs in some ways started in 4...

I mean it certainly wasn't super unfun or something, but as others are saying I would randomly get gibbed by crazy difficulties and stuff like that.

The biggest offender has been 7 really, which was only fun in parts it seemed but mostly was very sloggy, grindy, unfriendly... I don't know lots of stuff.. even though, in keeping with the theme, it's still a fun experience.

Also I really got the sense playing FF2 that it was precursor to the Saga series in many ways, at least as far as the game itself went, the weapon leveling and stats leveling in relation to usage seemed pretty clear to make it's first appearance there.


Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 22, 2016, 05:27:59 AM
Moreover, I've been generally inclined to view FF spinoffs somewhat favorably. I never played Dissidia but it always seemed interesting. I've also heard Final Fantasy Tactics Advance is quite fun.

I've also been gaining limited exposure to the Final Fantasy Adventure series or something? It was the precursor to Bravely Default I believe.. which eh... yeah... I er... don't know what to say about Bravely Default rightnow. >.<

I also did play a lot of Final Fantasy Tactics itself and that was quite engaging. I couldn't really say how they compare to mainline entries without spending more time on it, but in many ways I can hardly keep track of them and what they even are lol... ^_^
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Jimmy on January 22, 2016, 09:51:34 AM
FFIV was a steaming pile of buggy shit when I played it on my playstation in the early 2000s. Swords did shitty damage, magic was really harsh on mp, fucking arrows raped everything, and the encounter rate....omfg haaaaatttttttteeeeeeee.

Was not a fan of IV.

That's partially because, if I remember correctly, the PS version included in the Final Fantasy Chronicles bundle was the harder, Japanese version. It was dumbed down for US gamers in the original SNES release as FFII. It was cheap and really grind heavy. I ground levels for hours in the final dungeon before I even stood a chance against Zeromus.

While I enjoyed the DS remake, I agree with Neal that the GBA edition was the best. It had some ATB bugs that hampered it a little bit, but it fixed a lot of the cheapness of the original and allowed you to use the rest of the party that you lost throughout the game for the final dungeon.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 22, 2016, 10:00:05 AM
.....and that's why Final Fantasy IV is highly overrated.  Great job, everyone.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Frostillicus on January 22, 2016, 10:36:12 AM
^ Despite how much you want to rub it in, I'll always love the game for what it is. ...and to think, I actually liked you at one point...


FFIV was a steaming pile of buggy shit when I played it on my playstation in the early 2000s. Swords did shitty damage, magic was really harsh on mp, fucking arrows raped everything, and the encounter rate....omfg haaaaatttttttteeeeeeee.

Was not a fan of IV.

That's partially because, if I remember correctly, the PS version included in the Final Fantasy Chronicles bundle was the harder, Japanese version. It was dumbed down for US gamers in the original SNES release as FFII. It was cheap and really grind heavy. I ground levels for hours in the final dungeon before I even stood a chance against Zeromus.

In regards to "hard-type", I got all the way to the final dungeon, and kept getting my ass handed to me. At that point, I got so frustrated, it became a stupid self-challenge. I re-started the game and grinded like crazy at certain points, and finally finished that shit. Never again.
..Not that i would have the time to do that these days.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 22, 2016, 11:13:12 AM
...and to think, I actually liked you at one point...


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Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 22, 2016, 11:24:54 AM
Moreover, I've been generally inclined to view FF spinoffs somewhat favorably. I never played Dissidia but it always seemed interesting. I've also heard Final Fantasy Tactics Advance is quite fun.

I've also been gaining limited exposure to the Final Fantasy Adventure series or something? It was the precursor to Bravely Default I believe.. which eh... yeah... I er... don't know what to say about Bravely Default rightnow. >.<

I also did play a lot of Final Fantasy Tactics itself and that was quite engaging. I couldn't really say how they compare to mainline entries without spending more time on it, but in many ways I can hardly keep track of them and what they even are lol... ^_^

Final Fantasy Adventure (or Mystic Quest in PAL) was the first entry in the Something of Mana series (its GBA remake was called Sword of Mana). Bravely Default came from noted DS title Final Fantasy: Four Heroes of Light and took more cues from Final Fantasy III (not the NA's FFIII, but Japan's FFIII).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on January 22, 2016, 11:28:42 AM
I'm so confused now. I thought PAL Mystic Quest was the same as NA FF Mystic Quest, which was known as Final Fantasy USA or something similar in Japan.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Frostillicus on January 22, 2016, 11:48:12 AM
Ah, FF MQ... always reminds me of poison ivy. Due to the fact that I had to stay home from school for a few days due to poison ivy, and had rented and completed the game in my extreme boredom. I barely remember a thing about it... I guess that says something.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 22, 2016, 12:17:48 PM
I'm so confused now. I thought PAL Mystic Quest was the same as NA FF Mystic Quest, which was known as Final Fantasy USA or something similar in Japan.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/gameboy/563272-final-fantasy-adventure/images

More or less. PAL got two Mystic Quests. The GameBOY Mystic Quest was NA's Final Fantasy Adventure and Japan's Seiken Densetsu. The SuperNES's Mystic Quest Legend was NA's Final Fantasy Mystic Quest and Japan's Final Fantasy USA.

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Now imagine the confusion you'd be having if PALanders had gotten any other Square games from that era. :V #kickingthe #hornetsnest
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on January 23, 2016, 12:09:24 AM
Final Fantasy: Time Quest and Final Fantasy Mystic Quest 2 were great games!

... Why can I only thing of like 5 SNES Square RPGs that got US releases!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on January 23, 2016, 12:29:13 AM
I can think of 7....
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 23, 2016, 02:10:14 AM
Moreover, I've been generally inclined to view FF spinoffs somewhat favorably. I never played Dissidia but it always seemed interesting. I've also heard Final Fantasy Tactics Advance is quite fun.

I've also been gaining limited exposure to the Final Fantasy Adventure series or something? It was the precursor to Bravely Default I believe.. which eh... yeah... I er... don't know what to say about Bravely Default rightnow. >.<

I also did play a lot of Final Fantasy Tactics itself and that was quite engaging. I couldn't really say how they compare to mainline entries without spending more time on it, but in many ways I can hardly keep track of them and what they even are lol... ^_^

Final Fantasy Adventure (or Mystic Quest in PAL) was the first entry in the Something of Mana series (its GBA remake was called Sword of Mana). Bravely Default came from noted DS title Final Fantasy: Four Heroes of Light and took more cues from Final Fantasy III (not the NA's FFIII, but Japan's FFIII).

Ah ha! I actually was playing Sword of Mana recently.. wow.. well. there ya go... yep.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 23, 2016, 02:10:59 AM
I'm so confused now. I thought PAL Mystic Quest was the same as NA FF Mystic Quest, which was known as Final Fantasy USA or something similar in Japan.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/gameboy/563272-final-fantasy-adventure/images

More or less. PAL got two Mystic Quests. The GameBOY Mystic Quest was NA's Final Fantasy Adventure and Japan's Seiken Densetsu. The SuperNES's Mystic Quest Legend was NA's Final Fantasy Mystic Quest and Japan's Final Fantasy USA.

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Now imagine the confusion you'd be having if PALanders had gotten any other Square games from that era. :V #kickingthe #hornetsnest

Naturally... how could anyone got those things mixed up...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 23, 2016, 02:16:35 AM
I honestly feel like making a compendium of like all the FFs and spinoffs.. along with alternate titles and such..

Wikipedia actually lists like Kingdom Hearts games as FF spinoffs and I'm like well... uh.................. maybe someone has done that somewhere though.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 23, 2016, 03:50:38 AM
I honestly feel like making a compendium of like all the FFs and spinoffs.. along with alternate titles and such..

Wikipedia actually lists like Kingdom Hearts games as FF spinoffs and I'm like well... uh.................. maybe someone has done that somewhere though.

I'd link to the 'been there, done that' FF Compendium but unfortunately it got sold to some asshole and turned into a for profit malware pit. The archived version unfortunately only goes up to FFXII's release as that's when the site more or less petered out.

Or in short, there's several Wikia for that now go right ahead. What's the worst that could happen?


I can think of 7....

If you count Secret of Evermore, that makes 8 of the 27 (24 if you don't count the BS titles, 23 if you don't count the 'modified for westerners' variants, 22 if you don't count the 'made in the USA' one, 19 if you don't count 'made in conjunction with another major developer') titles Square put out during the SuperNES era.

And for fun, Enix put out 7 out of their 25 SuperNES titles (24 if you don't count the BS, 22 if you don't count the remakes, 21 if you don't count the 'made in the USA' one and 20 if you don't count the Mahjong).

There's a reason why ROMhacking and Fanslations took off during the late 90s to mid 00s.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 23, 2016, 11:36:13 PM
No! Oh well, I'm sure with some searching I could find a decent list of FF spinoffs.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Isjaki on January 26, 2016, 09:52:01 PM
Got Final Fantasy Explorers today. I'm into it so far and have been playing with a few friends.

Anyone else get this? If so, what do you think?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on January 28, 2016, 11:16:15 PM
I see Ramza's a really important guy now. (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2016/4363.html)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 29, 2016, 12:15:53 AM
I see Ramza's a really important guy now. (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2016/4363.html)

I'm really curious how he'll look.  Generally my stance for any very anime looking character turned realistic.

...I mean, really, Cloud still looks silly despite the attempts to cool/real him up.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 29, 2016, 02:50:29 AM
I see Ramza's a really important guy now. (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2016/4363.html)

I'm really curious how he'll look.  Generally my stance for any very anime looking character turned realistic.

...I mean, really, Cloud still looks silly despite the attempts to cool/real him up.

The more immediate question is: Will he have a nose?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 29, 2016, 09:08:02 AM
I see Ramza's a really important guy now. (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2016/4363.html)

I'm really curious how he'll look.  Generally my stance for any very anime looking character turned realistic.

...I mean, really, Cloud still looks silly despite the attempts to cool/real him up.

The more immediate question is: Will he have a nose?

Goood question! 

And he does
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZ4HyIWWEAENBmO.jpg:orig)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=193635821&postcount=1

He's adorable.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 29, 2016, 09:08:11 AM
I see Ramza's a really important guy now. (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2016/4363.html)

I'm really curious how he'll look.  Generally my stance for any very anime looking character turned realistic.

...I mean, really, Cloud still looks silly despite the attempts to cool/real him up.

The more immediate question is: Will he have a nose?
....welp...
http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/01/29/ramza-beoulve-in-dissidia-final-fantasy-gets-first-screenshots/

(S)He has a nose...

Edit: SERIOUSLY DICE?! YOU BEAT ME BY 9 SECONDS!!!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on January 29, 2016, 09:14:47 AM
Looks like Samus Aran cosplaying.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Lian_Kazairl on January 29, 2016, 09:16:27 AM
(S)He has a nose...

Well, let's be real. He was always a little effeminate.

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/e/e8/FFT_Ramza_Beoulve_Ch1_Portrait.png/revision/latest?cb=20130226222532)(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/b/b1/FFT_Ramza_Beoulve_Ch2%263_Portrait.png/revision/latest?cb=20130226222556)(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/0/0e/FFT_Ramza_Beoulve_Ch4_Portrait.png/revision/latest?cb=20130226222619)

Especially that last one.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 29, 2016, 09:22:03 AM
(S)He has a nose...

Well, let's be real. He was always a little effeminate.

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/e/e8/FFT_Ramza_Beoulve_Ch1_Portrait.png/revision/latest?cb=20130226222532)(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/b/b1/FFT_Ramza_Beoulve_Ch2%263_Portrait.png/revision/latest?cb=20130226222556)(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/0/0e/FFT_Ramza_Beoulve_Ch4_Portrait.png/revision/latest?cb=20130226222619)

Especially that last one.

For real.  Hooker boots and a seriously lovely hourglass figure.  I hate jumping on the "anime guys look like girls", but this one was hard NOT to.
(http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/psx/fft/pictures/ramza.gif)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 29, 2016, 09:23:16 AM
(S)He has a nose...

Looks like Samus Aran cosplaying.

Well, let's be real. He was always a little effeminate.

Glad I'm not the only one to have made that mistake way back when.

You'd think they'd use his Chapters 2 & 3 appearance as that's the one he starts the game off with (and spends the lion's share of the game using).

Edit: Fuck; beaten by Dice again!

While I'm on the subject, I think its the fact that his Dissidia model is pasty white as all hell and is giving him some serious uncanny valleyage.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 29, 2016, 09:29:09 AM
(S)He has a nose...

Well, let's be real. He was always a little effeminate.

YOU SHUT YOUR FILTHY LYING MOUTH!!!! RAMZA WAS THE MANLIEST OF MEN WHILST PLAYING THE REED FLUTE WITH HIS BROTHER FROM ANOTHER MOTHER DELITA, AND HIS RIGHT HOOK TO ALGUS/ARGUS (depends on which version you rocked) WAS A DOMINATING DISPLAY OF DUDELINESS!!!!

Seriously, Ramza was like one of my favorite FF characters for just how normal he was. No super powers, no divine intervention. Homeboy dropped everything to fight for what he believed in. Much respect to his character...

Now he looks like he could front a k-pop all girl's band.

Know what? I hope it's Alma just pretending to be her brother...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 29, 2016, 09:40:41 AM
(S)He has a nose...

Well, let's be real. He was always a little effeminate.

YOU SHUT YOUR FILTHY LYING MOUTH!!!! RAMZA WAS THE MANLIEST OF MEN WHILST PLAYING THE REED FLUTE WITH HIS BROTHER FROM ANOTHER MOTHER DELITA, AND HIS RIGHT HOOK TO ALGUS/ARGUS (depends on which version you rocked) WAS A DOMINATING DISPLAY OF DUDELINESS!!!!

Seriously, Ramza was like one of my favorite FF characters for just how normal he was. No super powers, no divine intervention. Homeboy dropped everything to fight for what he believed in. Much respect to his character...

Now he looks like he could front a k-pop all girl's band.

Know what? I hope it's Alma just pretending to be her brother...

It really helped that most everyone kinda had that look going which evened out the gender appearances/differences, and made the differences reliant on the more subtle differences in dress and facial features (which is a lot closer to how things are to begin with).

That said, I still like the fact that while Ramza did end up as a 'Chosen One' hero in the end, it wasn't due to his famous father. A nice reversal on the 'Heroic Father, Royal Mother' cliché that often pervades JRPG protagonists.

"Now surrender or die in obscurity!"
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 29, 2016, 09:44:34 AM
(S)He has a nose...

Well, let's be real. He was always a little effeminate.

YOU SHUT YOUR FILTHY LYING MOUTH!!!! RAMZA WAS THE MANLIEST OF MEN WHILST PLAYING THE REED FLUTE WITH HIS BROTHER FROM ANOTHER MOTHER DELITA, AND HIS RIGHT HOOK TO ALGUS/ARGUS (depends on which version you rocked) WAS A DOMINATING DISPLAY OF DUDELINESS!!!!

Seriously, Ramza was like one of my favorite FF characters for just how normal he was. No super powers, no divine intervention. Homeboy dropped everything to fight for what he believed in. Much respect to his character...

Now he looks like he could front a k-pop all girl's band.

Know what? I hope it's Alma just pretending to be her brother...

It really helped that most everyone kinda had that look going which evened out the gender appearances/differences, and made the differences reliant on the more subtle differences in dress and facial features (which is a lot closer to how things are to begin with).

That said, I still like the fact that while Ramza did end up as a 'Chosen One' hero in the end, it wasn't due to his famous father. A nice reversal on the 'Heroic Father, Royal Mother' cliché that often pervades JRPG protagonists.

"Now surrender or die in obscurity!"
ORIGINAL PSX TRANSLATION FOR THE MOTHERFUCKIN' WIN!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 29, 2016, 10:14:22 AM
I think the important thing here is that we have Ramza.  We have Ramza in another video game.  New ground has been broken.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 29, 2016, 03:31:53 PM
I think the important thing here is that we have Ramza.  We have Ramza in another video game.  New ground has been broken.

Old ground you mean, as he was in the Lords of Vermilion games along with Agrias, and also Theatrythym 2: Curtain Call (along with fucking Benjamin of Mystic Quest fame, among other characters).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 29, 2016, 03:34:23 PM
I think the important thing here is that we have Ramza.  We have Ramza in another video game.  New ground has been broken.

Old ground you mean, as he was in the Lords of Vermilion games along with Agrias, and also Theatrythym 2: Curtain Call (along with fucking Benjamin of Mystic Quest fame, among other characters).

I thought when I said "another video game" that it was implied that I meant "REAL video game".  He was in Heavenstrike Rivals, too, but who the heck cares about F2P/deckbuilder/rhythm games?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 29, 2016, 03:34:35 PM
I think the important thing here is that we have Ramza.  We have Ramza in another video game.  New ground has been broken.

Old ground you mean, as he was in the Lords of Vermilion games along with Agrias, and also Theatrythym 2: Curtain Call (along with fucking Benjamin of Mystic Quest fame, among other characters).

(https://i.imgur.com/NLj6a13.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on January 29, 2016, 03:44:51 PM
Manly flute playing at around 2:40: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijKLHCQw5o

And few RPG characters get more effeminate to me than Azel in Magna Carta, who looks exactly like a girl I dated once.  http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/magnacarta/images/7/7f/5092-1762945332.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140414133212
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 29, 2016, 03:47:48 PM
^ The only way that I can tell that that's a guy is that he's from Magna Carta and doesn't have boobs the size of his head.  Other than that, everything else about that pic says "female" to me.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on January 29, 2016, 04:18:33 PM
I was also initially fooled because the last video game character named Azel I'd heard of was Azel from Panzer Dragoon Saga, who was a girl.

So back to Final Fantasy.  We can't talk womanly men without Kuja now can we?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 29, 2016, 04:55:59 PM
I was also initially fooled because the last video game character named Azel I'd heard of was Azel from Panzer Dragoon Saga, who was a girl.

So back to Final Fantasy.  We can't talk womanly men without Kuja now can we?
Chill Dincrest, Kuja had dat swagger...just cuz he wore a dress didn't mean he was girly. He was just too awesome for pants.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on January 29, 2016, 07:43:45 PM
http://mooncalf.org/library/parody/wwtomato.html

And I'm not dissing on Kuja at all.  Dude was a fantastic villain and one of the more underrated characters in FF.  All I was saying was that if we're having a pretty boy party, we can't have one without inviting the best pretty boy of them all- Kuja.  Not inviting Kuja to the pretty boy fest would be like a guitar fest without Joe Satriani.  

(and I still think FF9 should have ended like this: http://mooncalf.org/library/parody/eikosboyfriend.html)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 29, 2016, 10:04:12 PM
I was also initially fooled because the last video game character named Azel I'd heard of was Azel from Panzer Dragoon Saga, who was a girl.

So back to Final Fantasy.  We can't talk womanly men without Kuja now can we?
Chill Dincrest, Kuja had dat swagger...just cuz he wore a dress didn't mean he was girly. He was just too awesome for pants.

Yeah. If anything, Kuja doesn't even rate compared to the many pretty boys of Amano, the undisputed king of drawing pretty boys. Seriously, go look at Cecil or Locke or Yuna.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on January 30, 2016, 09:20:22 AM
Kuja's too sexy for this thread, too sexy for this thread... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mtclwloEQ

And like I said earlier, I think Kuja is one of the most underrated FF characters and a fantastic villain.  I'd say he's one of the top 5 villains of the series.

Anyway, I never found Amano's extreme heroin-chic art style pretty at all.  Everyone looked sickly and emaciated.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rgeneb1 on January 30, 2016, 02:41:25 PM
Got Final Fantasy Explorers today. I'm into it so far and have been playing with a few friends.

Anyone else get this? If so, what do you think?

What are your thoughts Isjaki, I was thinking of ordering the game but I'm not sure how well it would work as a single player. The wifi on my 3ds is buggy at best so co-op play would be more trouble than fun. Anyone else played it yet?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on January 30, 2016, 03:28:16 PM
^ I'm having the same problem. My Wi-fi doesn't like to stay connected for more than 10 minutes, but I have managed to do a mission or two co-op. It is a lot more fun co-op but everything is balanced for the number of players, so it's not difficult to make it work single-player. Though that way doesn't really give you too much incentive to play around with the different job classes, unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 30, 2016, 03:59:40 PM
Kuja's too sexy for this thread, too sexy for this thread... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mtclwloEQ

And like I said earlier, I think Kuja is one of the most underrated FF characters and a fantastic villain.  I'd say he's one of the top 5 villains of the series.

Anyway, I never found Amano's extreme heroin-chic art style pretty at all.  Everyone looked sickly and emaciated.

I find his work to be somewhat hit or miss. Namely because he can do buff and swole dudes and really good monster designs, but everything else is waifs and bizarre accessories and color patterns all the way down. That said, the fact that he has a unique and distinctive style in of itself matters a lot to me because that is really fucking hard to do well.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rgeneb1 on January 30, 2016, 04:35:39 PM
@klutz
Thanks, good to know. I think I'll take a chance on it then. I guess I didnt need too much convincing :)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on January 30, 2016, 05:33:39 PM
Kuja's too sexy for this thread, too sexy for this thread... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mtclwloEQ

And like I said earlier, I think Kuja is one of the most underrated FF characters and a fantastic villain.  I'd say he's one of the top 5 villains of the series.

Anyway, I never found Amano's extreme heroin-chic art style pretty at all.  Everyone looked sickly and emaciated.

I find his work to be somewhat hit or miss. Namely because he can do buff and swole dudes and really good monster designs, but everything else is waifs and bizarre accessories and color patterns all the way down. That said, the fact that he has a unique and distinctive style in of itself matters a lot to me because that is really fucking hard to do well.

I give credit to distinctiveness.  Like, I can look at a whole bunch of character art and instantly recognize particular pieces as Amano's work.  That being said, different isn't always appealing to me.  I can name several bands whose music is truly distinct, that you can easily pick them out from the rest of the crowd, but it just doesn't do "it" for me.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 31, 2016, 01:04:19 AM
And like I said earlier, I think Kuja is one of the most underrated FF characters and a fantastic villain.  I'd say he's one of the top 5 villains of the series.

The more I think about it, the more you're definitely right, which probably feeds the fact he is underrepresented since I had to think about it.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 31, 2016, 01:21:55 PM
And like I said earlier, I think Kuja is one of the most underrated FF characters and a fantastic villain.  I'd say he's one of the top 5 villains of the series.

The more I think about it, the more you're definitely right, which probably feeds the fact he is underrepresented since I had to think about it.
I think the bigger problem os FFIX is just an underrated game overall. In the rpg fanboy/girl circles it's popular enough, but in more generlized circles many people didn't bother with it, unlike VII, VIII, X, XII and all the overly advertised ones. Hell I don't even recall IX gettin a proper commercial...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 31, 2016, 01:48:45 PM
And like I said earlier, I think Kuja is one of the most underrated FF characters and a fantastic villain.  I'd say he's one of the top 5 villains of the series.

The more I think about it, the more you're definitely right, which probably feeds the fact he is underrepresented since I had to think about it.
I think the bigger problem os FFIX is just an underrated game overall. In the rpg fanboy/girl circles it's popular enough, but in more generlized circles many people didn't bother with it, unlike VII, VIII, X, XII and all the overly advertised ones. Hell I don't even recall IX gettin a proper commercial...

You must have been a Pepsi drinker then....

The real reason why its underrated is because the PCs are superdeformed with animal/monster-ish traits which is unacceptable to the fans of the increasingly realistic human form depictions that the later FFs segued into.

(That, and it was really hard to go back to for the longest time since everything took forever and you needed a working PSX or PS2 to run. Of course this will soon be a totally moot point thanks to its PC release.)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on February 01, 2016, 12:11:45 AM
I remember FFIX being really offputting to me when it was new because of all the animal people which is funny because I was a hardcore furry back when I was 13. like a yiff level 10 wolfsona and conlangs and connections to shady people on the west coast who were probably all ZZTers. the whole shalam. now i just walk around the river having vague religious experiences. where's the rpgs for that, haahn?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on February 01, 2016, 02:37:05 AM
like a yiff level 10 wolfsona and conlangs and connections to shady people on the west coast who were probably all ZZTers.

I don't know what a single one of those terms means...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on February 01, 2016, 09:09:13 AM
like a yiff level 10 wolfsona and conlangs and connections to shady people on the west coast who were probably all ZZTers.

I don't know what a single one of those terms means...

I know enough to know that all my sympathy for Mesh just went out the window.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on February 01, 2016, 10:10:57 AM
like a yiff level 10 wolfsona and conlangs and connections to shady people on the west coast who were probably all ZZTers.

I don't know what a single one of those terms means...

You're Not Alone

^ c wut i did there?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on February 01, 2016, 07:00:38 PM
Spoiler that last post was a lie

My actual fursona is Donald Trump and the entire 2016 election is just a chat RP that's gotten way out of hand

i am sorry for bringing about the destruction of the world in like a year.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on February 01, 2016, 09:36:11 PM
I find it more hilarious that ZZTers (http://www.digitalmzx.net/wiki/index.php?title=ZZTers) of all things gave me an actual definition.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on February 01, 2016, 10:28:46 PM
I find it more hilarious that ZZTers (http://www.digitalmzx.net/wiki/index.php?title=ZZTers) of all things gave me an actual definition.

fwiw ZZT is more like 25 years old now, not 16.

what i'm saying is that the modern deep web is the normal web of the past and that's where i grew up okay i'm just
i'm just going to find all these modern gamers who are older than me
gather them around virtually on ActiveWorlds
"Okay kids grandpappy's going to tell you about the Dreamshift beta and Era Online, and if you REALLY behave maybe i'll tell you about the magical world of bonus.com."
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rgeneb1 on February 02, 2016, 04:26:31 AM
I find it more hilarious that ZZTers (http://www.digitalmzx.net/wiki/index.php?title=ZZTers) of all things gave me an actual definition.
The only part of the sentence that made sense to me was ZZTers, who obviously are ZZ Top fans. Your link proves I was so far from being right its just not funny. To be fair they are kinda furry so it made sense to me...
(http://cdn.scahw.com.au/cdn-1cdfdb02421aab0/imagevaultfiles/id_136715/cf_7/zz-top-628.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on February 02, 2016, 11:54:07 PM
Kuja was always pretty interesting from my perspective, kind of seemingly straightforwardly antagonistic or something but never too over the top. I kind of thought of him as Sephiroth-lite forever but with the Terra sequence and stuff it became clear there was more to it all.

I think that moment when (spoiler) Garland upstages Kuja during the Alexandria battle I think sort of blew my mind slightly when it happened.

Anyway, nowadays though with 9 getting some more recognition, can't help but think underrated FF is falling to 8 now...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on February 03, 2016, 12:44:20 AM
Lets be honest, no FF game is underrated (not even Mystic Quest; there! I said it! Come at me bro!!! (disclaimer: this is not directed at you specifically Artimicia; this is directed at those who would argue that MQ is in fact underrated; they know who they are)).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on February 03, 2016, 11:13:39 AM
Actually yeah, could see "no FF as underrated..." FF spinoffs though on the other hand...

Well I'll grant Mystic Quest because hey I don't know even know, but FF: Tactics for ex always was like... hm this is really good! You still don't really see like an explosion of Ramza fan art though.

Marquis Elmdor pre-demon always seemed kind of fascinating too for some reason....

And lets give it up for Meliadoul!!! Anyone!! Someone?? .....

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: EmeraldSword on February 03, 2016, 12:29:46 PM
Ramza Beoulve Gets An Introduction Trailer For Dissidia Final Fantasy
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/02/03/ramza-beoulve-gets-introduction-trailer-dissidia-final-fantas (http://www.siliconera.com/2016/02/03/ramza-beoulve-gets-introduction-trailer-dissidia-final-fantasy/#H83Gsmwtjd4Z1dgb.99
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/02/03/ramza-beoulve-gets-introduction-trailer-dissidia-final-fantasy/)

What the what? Ramza, waifu material now?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on February 03, 2016, 01:51:45 PM
Ramza Beoulve Gets An Introduction Trailer For Dissidia Final Fantasy
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/02/03/ramza-beoulve-gets-introduction-trailer-dissidia-final-fantas (http://www.siliconera.com/2016/02/03/ramza-beoulve-gets-introduction-trailer-dissidia-final-fantasy/#H83Gsmwtjd4Z1dgb.99
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/02/03/ramza-beoulve-gets-introduction-trailer-dissidia-final-fantasy/)

What the what? Ramza, waifu material now?

Can everyone fly in Dissidia?
Because I don't remember Ramza flying FFTA.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on February 03, 2016, 02:38:33 PM
Ramza Beoulve Gets An Introduction Trailer For Dissidia Final Fantasy
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/02/03/ramza-beoulve-gets-introduction-trailer-dissidia-final-fantas (http://www.siliconera.com/2016/02/03/ramza-beoulve-gets-introduction-trailer-dissidia-final-fantasy/#H83Gsmwtjd4Z1dgb.99
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/02/03/ramza-beoulve-gets-introduction-trailer-dissidia-final-fantasy/)

What the what? Ramza, waifu material now?

Can everyone fly in Dissidia?
Because I don't remember Ramza flying FFTA.

THat was my first question too.  I do remember it's a pretty weird fighting game from the get-go
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on February 03, 2016, 02:50:26 PM
Yeah, the combat in Dissidia is basically that battle between Cloud and Sephiroth in Advent Children.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: EmeraldSword on February 03, 2016, 02:51:59 PM
For those who didn't click my link:

(http://moderndistraction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/blogupdate.png)
(http://nichegamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/dissida-final-fantasy-01-29-16-4.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on February 03, 2016, 05:02:05 PM
Yeah! I did see the Ramza thing for Dissidia, pretty cool =-)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on February 03, 2016, 05:13:28 PM
What the what? Ramza, waifu material now?

Wasn't he always?  Jk jk...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on February 03, 2016, 05:53:45 PM
Ramza Beoulve Gets An Introduction Trailer For Dissidia Final Fantasy
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/02/03/ramza-beoulve-gets-introduction-trailer-dissidia-final-fantas (http://www.siliconera.com/2016/02/03/ramza-beoulve-gets-introduction-trailer-dissidia-final-fantasy/#H83Gsmwtjd4Z1dgb.99
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/02/03/ramza-beoulve-gets-introduction-trailer-dissidia-final-fantasy/)

What the what? Ramza, waifu material now?

Can everyone fly in Dissidia?
Because I don't remember Ramza flying FFTA.

THat was my first question too.  I do remember it's a pretty weird fighting game from the get-go

I don't remember Ramza being in FFTA at all. But for discussion's sake lets talk about FFT instead and say that Ramza picked up Levitate from the Time Mage Job (alternatively, he's not flying or floating but is Ignoring Height really fucking high instead).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on February 03, 2016, 06:02:19 PM
There are Winged Shoes, but he's clearly not wearing those.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 03, 2016, 08:29:27 PM
HE'S GOT THROW.FUCKING STONE, HOLY SHIT THERE IS A GOD!!!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on February 03, 2016, 08:34:00 PM
HE'S GOT THROW.FUCKING STONE, HOLY SHIT THERE IS A GOD!!!

Sigh, and Hyrule Warriors STILL never bothered to make a pink haired Link...  I am happy for the Ramza's who can throw rocks then.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on February 05, 2016, 06:31:10 PM
oh

when Square's web service thing went down was anyone like

WELP
I GUESS SQUARE'S EXPERIENCING SOME /CLOUD STRIFE/

cause like
cloud
computing
and strife as in struggle
????
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on February 05, 2016, 07:16:17 PM
oh

when Square's web service thing went down was anyone like

WELP
I GUESS SQUARE'S EXPERIENCING SOME /CLOUD STRIFE/

cause like
cloud
computing
and strife as in struggle
????

I figured that nobody wanted to back an evil corporate empire. Because they named it Shin-ra Technologies the 'evil empire' analogue for the game Final Fantasy VII.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on February 10, 2016, 08:12:58 PM
So random story, I was thinking about how honestly don't even own FF7. The first FF I played was I guess 6, and then 4 right after that, and I got 8 and 9 and was like wow these are quite fun. For 7, between basically slowly progressing though it at friend's house over a long period of time when they didn't want to play it and stuff like that I basically played the entire game, but that was enough..

I mean and it's not anti-FF7, it's fine and all, but... yeah, between FF: Tactics, or other mainline FFs, or whatever.. just never actually got a personal copy :P

Speaking of topics where commentary and experience collide, I did see Spirits Within and while mostly disappointed was also kind of entertained at the same time. I realize it wasn't really "Final Fantasy," but it was still kinda fun overall, certainly didn't not work, just.. kinda worked.

I noticed it was an easter egg kind of thing in Life is Strange which was kinda nice. ^_^
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on February 10, 2016, 08:21:21 PM
So for reference it's a this thingy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaI7ZPA9I1c

Also thanks to "Aelous" for the idea of a general Final Fantasy thread, having such a general thing has helped me get a bigger grasp on Final Fantasy which is just so massive and has so many games... seems like I should of come across one of these before.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rook on February 22, 2016, 07:35:35 PM
So random story, I was thinking about how honestly don't even own FF7. The first FF I played was I guess 6, and then 4 right after that, and I got 8 and 9 and was like wow these are quite fun. For 7, between basically slowly progressing though it at friend's house over a long period of time when they didn't want to play it and stuff like that I basically played the entire game, but that was enough..

I mean and it's not anti-FF7, it's fine and all, but... yeah, between FF: Tactics, or other mainline FFs, or whatever.. just never actually got a personal copy :P

Speaking of topics where commentary and experience collide, I did see Spirits Within and while mostly disappointed was also kind of entertained at the same time. I realize it wasn't really "Final Fantasy," but it was still kinda fun overall, certainly didn't not work, just.. kinda worked.

I noticed it was an easter egg kind of thing in Life is Strange which was kinda nice. ^_^


The animation for the FF movie was great for the time. It was OK but also instantly forgetable. They just messed up big time trying to make a FF movie as its popularity was way off its peak by the time it came out (wouldn't have even done well in 1997 either). If they did say Terminator 3 as their 1st movie and maybe stuck to doing sci-fi movie sequals they'd still be around today and probably doing Dreamworks/Marvel contract stuff.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on February 26, 2016, 11:25:24 AM
So random story, I was thinking about how honestly don't even own FF7. The first FF I played was I guess 6, and then 4 right after that, and I got 8 and 9 and was like wow these are quite fun. For 7, between basically slowly progressing though it at friend's house over a long period of time when they didn't want to play it and stuff like that I basically played the entire game, but that was enough..

I mean and it's not anti-FF7, it's fine and all, but... yeah, between FF: Tactics, or other mainline FFs, or whatever.. just never actually got a personal copy :P

Speaking of topics where commentary and experience collide, I did see Spirits Within and while mostly disappointed was also kind of entertained at the same time. I realize it wasn't really "Final Fantasy," but it was still kinda fun overall, certainly didn't not work, just.. kinda worked.

I noticed it was an easter egg kind of thing in Life is Strange which was kinda nice. ^_^


The animation for the FF movie was great for the time. It was OK but also instantly forgetable. They just messed up big time trying to make a FF movie as its popularity was way off its peak by the time it came out (wouldn't have even done well in 1997 either). If they did say Terminator 3 as their 1st movie and maybe stuck to doing sci-fi movie sequals they'd still be around today and probably doing Dreamworks/Marvel contract stuff.

Well the clearest problem was really it didn't seem to really evoke that kind of deep sense of Final Fantasy like FF9 or 1 or something, like the kind of playful atmosphere....

Crazily enough I was actually in a focus group for FF (I guess it was hard to find people who had played it then) and I remember trying to tell them like it just looked corny and like "Where's the flying whale" etc haha.

Oh it's a shame they didn't listen, did get like 50 or 75 dollars or something though!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on February 26, 2016, 11:50:18 AM
Problem with Spirits Within is they tried to make the plot of FF7 with more sci-fi elements and less anime tropes.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on February 26, 2016, 12:39:13 PM
Problem with Spirits Within is they tried to make the plot of FF7 with more sci-fi elements and less anime tropes.

Yeah it was like pure serious FF not so much playful FF, which is kinda weird because FF7 was still pretty playful really.

It still had kind of the sentimental side of FF though which was cool.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on February 26, 2016, 07:07:08 PM
Problem with Spirits Within is they tried to make the plot of FF7 with more sci-fi elements and less anime tropes.

I think it could have worked, but since they made such a huge effort to make it not-at-all Final Fantasy hell even going so far to set the game up on Earth instead (and you gotta do more than name-drop a Cid and have a four party squad at one point).... they goofed good.  Being honest, I think I like it more than Final Fantasy Unlimited which...oddly pisses me off in an entirely different way (it's just so weird; cool op/ed's though).

I would totally love to see another photorealistic attempt at a CG movie.  I'm all for Pixar and Disney currently dominating with truly gorgeous cartoon-y films, but I'd love to see another realistic CG attempt too.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on February 26, 2016, 08:03:33 PM
I've been meaning to watch FFU again. It's so '90s anime it hurts and yet I find it far too campy to not enjoy on some level.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on February 27, 2016, 08:34:35 AM
One other thing is I remember

Code: [Select]
I really thought the kind of villain guy in FF: Spirits was going to succeed, that was a pretty intense situation... seems like they played it all well. Maybe the movie just could of been closer to that intensity most of the time.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on February 27, 2016, 09:28:24 AM
I liked The Spirits Within, but I think its downfall was that it tried to tell too much story in too little time.  Sakaguchi is used to crafting stories that can sustain over a 25-50 hour timespan spent playing a lengthy RPG.  But a 2 hour movie is a different animal entirely, and requires a different kind of storytelling, pacing, etc.  I think TSW's other big downfall was the lack of iconic Final Fantasy music, like the prelude.  I recall the music itself just being generic-sounding movie music.  Not a bad film, but not a good Final Fantasy. 

I respected TSW's ambition, and we can all say we've seen films that were plenty worse.  We're not talking about "Dude, Where's My Car?" here.  We're talking about a movie that wanted to push the envelope in a positive way.  Unfortunately, it was a case where this amateur rocket tried to reach the stars, but ultimately crash-landed in the filthy Ohio river.   
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on February 27, 2016, 09:35:56 AM
I liked The Spirits Within, but I think its downfall was that it tried to tell too much story in too little time.  Sakaguchi is used to crafting stories that can sustain over a 25-50 hour timespan spent playing a lengthy RPG.  But a 2 hour movie is a different animal entirely, and requires a different kind of storytelling, pacing, etc.  I think TSW's other big downfall was the lack of iconic Final Fantasy music, like the prelude.  I recall the music itself just being generic-sounding movie music.  Not a bad film, but not a good Final Fantasy.  

I respected TSW's ambition, and we can all say we've seen films that were plenty worse.  We're not talking about "Dude, Where's My Car?" here.  We're talking about a movie that wanted to push the envelope in a positive way.  Unfortunately, it was a case where this amateur rocket tried to reach the stars, but ultimately crash-landed in the filthy Ohio river.  


Hmm I like that summary =-), lathough I'd say it kind of flew for awhile in a cool sort of way, and then made an emergency landing in a Northern abandoned Ohio airport.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on February 27, 2016, 11:21:31 AM
I liked The Spirits Within, but I think its downfall was that it tried to tell too much story in too little time.  Sakaguchi is used to crafting stories that can sustain over a 25-50 hour timespan spent playing a lengthy RPG.  But a 2 hour movie is a different animal entirely, and requires a different kind of storytelling, pacing, etc.  I think TSW's other big downfall was the lack of iconic Final Fantasy music, like the prelude.  I recall the music itself just being generic-sounding movie music.  Not a bad film, but not a good Final Fantasy.  

I respected TSW's ambition, and we can all say we've seen films that were plenty worse.  We're not talking about "Dude, Where's My Car?" here.  We're talking about a movie that wanted to push the envelope in a positive way.  Unfortunately, it was a case where this amateur rocket tried to reach the stars, but ultimately crash-landed in the filthy Ohio river.  


Hmm I like that summary =-), lathough I'd say it kind of flew for awhile in a cool sort of way, and then made an emergency landing in a Northern abandoned Ohio airport.

Alternatively, one could say that it was like every other videogame based movie made in the 90s in that it didn't even try to adapt what people liked about the game to the screen, and instead went and did its own thing which completely missed the point (most of them were straight up bad about this, but ones still worth watching are the ones that acknowledge that they aren't video games and can't replicate the experience and opt to run with it in a direction that isn't up its own ass insteaad; case and point, Super Mario Bros. The Movie versus the first Mortal Kombat movie).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on February 27, 2016, 11:46:12 AM
I liked The Spirits Within, but I think its downfall was that it tried to tell too much story in too little time.  Sakaguchi is used to crafting stories that can sustain over a 25-50 hour timespan spent playing a lengthy RPG.  But a 2 hour movie is a different animal entirely, and requires a different kind of storytelling, pacing, etc.  I think TSW's other big downfall was the lack of iconic Final Fantasy music, like the prelude.  I recall the music itself just being generic-sounding movie music.  Not a bad film, but not a good Final Fantasy.  

I respected TSW's ambition, and we can all say we've seen films that were plenty worse.  We're not talking about "Dude, Where's My Car?" here.  We're talking about a movie that wanted to push the envelope in a positive way.  Unfortunately, it was a case where this amateur rocket tried to reach the stars, but ultimately crash-landed in the filthy Ohio river.  


Hmm I like that summary =-), lathough I'd say it kind of flew for awhile in a cool sort of way, and then made an emergency landing in a Northern abandoned Ohio airport.

Alternatively, one could say that it was like every other videogame based movie made in the 90s in that it didn't even try to adapt what people liked about the game to the screen, and instead went and did its own thing which completely missed the point (most of them were straight up bad about this, but ones still worth watching are the ones that acknowledge that they aren't video games and can't replicate the experience and opt to run with it in a direction that isn't up its own ass insteaad; case and point, Super Mario Bros. The Movie versus the first Mortal Kombat movie).

Yeah but see that was kind of the attitude held at the time it seemed to me, but I'm just saying in retrospect you know it was pretty fun, not really overstating or understating just somewhere there.

Anyway, I just brought it up because it was yet another dogma about FF that didn't really hold up to scrutiny.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 27, 2016, 08:46:59 PM
I've been meaning to watch FFU again. It's so '90s anime it hurts and yet I find it far too campy to not enjoy on some level.

I tried, like, at least 3 times to watch that series and just couldn't do it. I've taken the whole of Final Fantasy, the good AND the bad but that anime just never held my attention beyond a few eps. Don't know why, as it sure seemed like it would be something I'd dig but DUG klyde DID NOT.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on February 27, 2016, 10:50:28 PM
I've been meaning to watch FFU again. It's so '90s anime it hurts and yet I find it far too campy to not enjoy on some level.

I tried, like, at least 3 times to watch that series and just couldn't do it. I've taken the whole of Final Fantasy, the good AND the bad but that anime just never held my attention beyond a few eps. Don't know why, as it sure seemed like it would be something I'd dig but DUG klyde DID NOT.

Probably because the show was utterly generic early 00s anime beyond the name and a few minor cameos (IIRC). It could be renamed The Adventures of the Mysterious Shonen Protagonist and describe the show to the letter. None of the characters went beyond their established archetypes, the kids were functionally useless (the male one less so by default, since the moral of the story is to demonstrate his responsibility to become more like the walking male power fantasy/edgelord/main protagonist) and the walking baps/well-endowed girlfriend/titty babysitter was also more or less entirely useless (beyond getting kidnapped or whatever and needing the hero to appear to save her, which was basically the plot of the show).

Or so I've heard as I've never had reason to watch the show since it sounded like a waste of time.


Now the other FF anime, Legend of the Crystal, I also haven't had a reason to watch since it was a spiritual successor to FFV, the game with the least amount of plot (at least it was more FFish than FFU was).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on February 28, 2016, 12:28:41 AM
I've been meaning to watch FFU again. It's so '90s anime it hurts and yet I find it far too campy to not enjoy on some level.

I tried, like, at least 3 times to watch that series and just couldn't do it. I've taken the whole of Final Fantasy, the good AND the bad but that anime just never held my attention beyond a few eps. Don't know why, as it sure seemed like it would be something I'd dig but DUG klyde DID NOT.

Probably because the show was utterly generic early 00s anime beyond the name and a few minor cameos (IIRC). It could be renamed The Adventures of the Mysterious Shonen Protagonist and describe the show to the letter. None of the characters went beyond their established archetypes, the kids were functionally useless (the male one less so by default, since the moral of the story is to demonstrate his responsibility to become more like the walking male power fantasy/edgelord/main protagonist) and the walking baps/well-endowed girlfriend/titty babysitter was also more or less entirely useless (beyond getting kidnapped or whatever and needing the hero to appear to save her, which was basically the plot of the show).

Or so I've heard as I've never had reason to watch the show since it sounded like a waste of time.


Now the other FF anime, Legend of the Crystal, I also haven't had a reason to watch since it was a spiritual successor to FFV, the game with the least amount of plot (at least it was more FFish than FFU was).

Yeah, basically all I remember about FFU is that... it was just annoying to watch.  The rare sniff and traces of "FF" were in the absolute stank of everything else getting in the way; something between bad anime cliches and the elements that made David Bowie's Labyrinth so wonderfully bizarre --- except it doesn't work out at all here.  Or something.  Anyways...


A few cool things in FF: Legend of the Crystal

-- Not too bad 90s level animation (I actually mean that in a good way)

-- You get a completely-steeped-in-90s image of the original FFV heroes (http://arkansaslicesolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Final-Fantasy-Legend-of-the-Crystals-Original-Party.jpg)

--  this bananas
(http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/finalfantasy/ff5/loljapan.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on February 28, 2016, 07:39:15 AM
Happosai would approve. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Towns Car Marty on February 28, 2016, 09:39:22 AM
The best Final Fantasy adaptation

(http://thelifestream.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Final-Fantasy-Legend-Of-The-Crystals-01.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on February 28, 2016, 08:29:46 PM
is this what sex? is this how babies?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on February 29, 2016, 12:10:41 PM
Happosai would approve. 

+100, very nice Ranma reference.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on March 16, 2016, 10:34:07 AM
As a big fan of FF9 who hopes for a HD/remake one day...this made me moist.  FF9's Alexandria in Dissidia:

(http://i.imgur.com/1CDJIXs.jpg) 

(http://i.imgur.com/p1fvr0h.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 16, 2016, 10:59:55 AM
O____O   

Woooooowwwwww......
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Towns Car Marty on March 16, 2016, 12:01:44 PM
On that note, check out this amazing rendition of Narshe (http://kotaku.com/terra-and-co-entering-the-coal-mining-town-of-narshe-f-1765199844).

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--2vBMg0XS--/guy1bsro8cprghbfyd3n.png)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 16, 2016, 03:26:42 PM
^ O____O   

Woooooowwwwww......

To this day there is no gaming locale more fascinating to me than Narshe.  That image perfectly captures why.  Imagine an actual town constructed that way.  Imagine living there.  What an experience that would be.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 17, 2016, 03:57:56 AM
^ O____O   

Woooooowwwwww......

To this day there is no gaming locale more fascinating to me than Narshe.  That image perfectly captures why.  Imagine an actual town constructed that way.  Imagine living there.  What an experience that would be.

Actually, living in Narshe would kinda suck. For one, you're living in an industrial revolution/Victorian era town with pollution issues and everything. Second, its a mining town, so expect to spend a good portion of your life living under a rock, inhaling all sorts of poisons and nastiness. Third, it's cold. Fourth, this is providing that you aren't killed during some kind of Imperial Raid. Or, finally, the Apocalypse doesn't leave you as the last surviving refugee in an entirely different town due to all the horrors that said Apocalypse unleashed upon the world wiping out the rest of the population (assuming that you're the lucky guy, which is unlikely, especially considering your Avatar and User Name).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Ranadiel on March 17, 2016, 06:29:13 AM
^ O____O   

Woooooowwwwww......

To this day there is no gaming locale more fascinating to me than Narshe.  That image perfectly captures why.  Imagine an actual town constructed that way.  Imagine living there.  What an experience that would be.
I imagine that slipping and falling off to lower levels is the second most common cause of death/injury in Narshe (second only to mining accidents).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 17, 2016, 10:37:55 AM
Both those pics are pretty great... honestly I remember some stuff in FF12 that felt pretty awe inspiring but never felt like it was noticed a lot, for instance, Pharos at Ridorana..
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/a/ae/Pharos-at-Ridorana.png/revision/latest?cb=20121122021745)
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/goshogun9/090611230859_25.jpg)

My sense is that is perhaps because it was so late in the game and lots of people just nver saw it.

Salikawood and the Viera home-world was sorta nice as well.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V6CfzDCjs4A/maxresdefault.jpg)



Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 17, 2016, 10:43:03 AM
FF14 Gridania and other areas though is also pretty tough to beat

(http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/accimg/b6/de/b6de1a15138d2d70b01d38d90b006b31000cc66c.jpg)

(http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/promo/pc/global/images/world/locations/detail/gridania/ss/gridania_016.jpg?11d3f0cv1)

Finally, strange though it may seem, there is a certain charm and cuteness to the 2D FF maps really like Mysidia or something, those towns with the trees and hidden secrets, barrels lying around whatever it is, although that's probably more of like a "hardcore gamer charm" kind of thing lol.

(http://cdn.wikimg.net/strategywiki/images/d/de/FF4_WT_4i.jpg)

(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/3/3b/Cornelia.png/revision/latest?cb=20090314002043)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 17, 2016, 10:54:37 AM
Both those pics are pretty great... honestly I remember some stuff in FF12 that felt pretty awe inspiring but never felt like it was noticed a lot, for instance, Pharos at Ridorana..
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/a/ae/Pharos-at-Ridorana.png/revision/latest?cb=20121122021745)
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/goshogun9/090611230859_25.jpg)

My sense is that is perhaps because it was so late in the game and lots of people just nver saw it.

Salikawood and the Viera home-world was sorta nice as well.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V6CfzDCjs4A/maxresdefault.jpg

I suspect its less that nobody made it to the Pharos, so much as the things people remember about the Pharos are the ridiculously long climb, the extra levels of bullshit added specifically to the dungeons chests (on top of the usual shenanigans) and the bosses, both story and postgame (especially Cid and Yizmat).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 17, 2016, 11:40:19 AM
Actually, living in Narshe would kinda suck.

Exactly!  Just imagine spending a week living in those harsh conditions.  And then imagine the kind of people who LIVE their day in and day out.  What kind of lives must they have?

Fascinating.

Dang, though, that Gridania (or whatever) pic was pretty darn nice.  And we all know why people (dudes) want to visit the Salikawood.... >____>
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on March 17, 2016, 05:12:28 PM
Both those pics are pretty great... honestly I remember some stuff in FF12 that felt pretty awe inspiring but never felt like it was noticed a lot, for instance, Pharos at Ridorana..
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/a/ae/Pharos-at-Ridorana.png/revision/latest?cb=20121122021745)
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/goshogun9/090611230859_25.jpg)

My sense is that is perhaps because it was so late in the game and lots of people just nver saw it.

Salikawood and the Viera home-world was sorta nice as well.please

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V6CfzDCjs4A/maxresdefault.jpg

I suspect its less that nobody made it to the Pharos, so much as the things people remember about the Pharos are the ridiculously long climb, the extra levels of bullshit added specifically to the dungeons chests (on top of the usual shenanigans) and the bosses, both story and postgame (especially Cid and Yizmat).

But I liked the Pharos...

I guess maybe they were atypical for a FF game and not really what people were expecting/hoping for, but from a pure dungeon-crawling perspecive FF12 was pretty fun.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 17, 2016, 05:50:24 PM
My favorite FF town was definitely Esthar in FF8.  I love brightly futuristic towns like that. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Limlight on March 17, 2016, 06:38:02 PM
favorite ff town? ffxi jeuno. I spent a large portion of my college life with my friends in that game and the jeuno music will be stuck in my head until the day that I die.......I'm not sure if that is a good thing...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on March 17, 2016, 08:20:35 PM
Actually, living in Narshe would kinda suck.

Exactly!  Just imagine spending a week living in those harsh conditions.  And then imagine the kind of people who LIVE their day in and day out.  What kind of lives must they have?

Fascinating.

I'm originally from hardcore rust belt rural ohio

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2015/01/10/ec/eb/Lima-Refinery-Fire-2.jpg

what's so bad about Narshe????

wait no Lima's hell, nevermind.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Spoony Mage on March 17, 2016, 10:34:48 PM
As a big fan of FF9 who hopes for a HD/remake one day...this made me moist.  FF9's Alexandria in Dissidia:

(http://i.imgur.com/1CDJIXs.jpg) 

(http://i.imgur.com/p1fvr0h.jpg)

That's a beautiful Alexandria.  Makes me wonder what Lindblum or Treno would look like.  I remember making a day of just exploring Lindblum.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 18, 2016, 03:24:41 AM
My favorite FF town was definitely Esthar in FF8.  I love brightly futuristic towns like that.  

Esthar was also neat!
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080220044713/finalfantasy/images/a/ae/Esthar_4.jpg)

Actually kind of just thought Dollet was a pretty interesting town for whatever reason, some kind of European-inspired/beach combination thing.

Honestly though going all the way back to Dice's post about Alexandria, one town that really left an impact (despite the fact that it was actually partially destroyed at the time and under siege) is Burmecia... even broken you can see the remnants of this kind of interesting city through the wreck.

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/b/b3/Burmecia_Roozbeh_3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130514011026)

(http://pyreflies.org/freya/images/burmecia02.jpg)
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120608192740/finalfantasy/images/9/99/BurmeciaUptownArea1.png)


Zozo was also pretty iconic, though for bad reasons as much as good.

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F6goldencoins.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F11%2Ffinal_fantasy_vi_zozo.jpg&f=1)
(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimages2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20060227202103%2Ffinalfantasy%2Fimages%2F9%2F9e%2FZozo.PNG&f=1)

I guess it's just when rain is the theme or something, hrm.

Even though FF7 as a whole didn't necessarily strike in much the same way, there was something about Nibleheim

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fff7.fr%2Fscreen%2Fnibelheim.png&f=1)


Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 18, 2016, 06:57:26 AM
Nibleheim looks like a town in a Super Mario RPG game, just a collection of generic JRPG houses with pipes slathered everywhere.

Zozo's neat because its entirely a town based dungeon which are hella rare, then and now.

The most memorable things about Burmecia is the music and getting owned by Beatrix, the rest you don't really get too good of a look at (it might have had the wrecked town thing going for it if almost every town in the game didn't also get wrecked).


Both those pics are pretty great... honestly I remember some stuff in FF12 that felt pretty awe inspiring but never felt like it was noticed a lot, for instance, Pharos at Ridorana..
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/a/ae/Pharos-at-Ridorana.png/revision/latest?cb=20121122021745)
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/goshogun9/090611230859_25.jpg)

My sense is that is perhaps because it was so late in the game and lots of people just nver saw it.

Salikawood and the Viera home-world was sorta nice as well.please

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V6CfzDCjs4A/maxresdefault.jpg

I suspect its less that nobody made it to the Pharos, so much as the things people remember about the Pharos are the ridiculously long climb, the extra levels of bullshit added specifically to the dungeons chests (on top of the usual shenanigans) and the bosses, both story and postgame (especially Cid and Yizmat).

But I liked the Pharos...

I guess maybe they were atypical for a FF game and not really what people were expecting/hoping for, but from a pure dungeon-crawling perspecive FF12 was pretty fun.

The Pharos is alright when you're there for the plot and is even a cut above all the mines and Sand Seas you had to trudge through to get to that point, but some of the overworld regions were just so much better that it doesn't really rate in the grand scheme of things (right up to the point where you decide to start trying to do any of the optional crap in there, as that's when the game really starts to double down on the already really obnoxious crap, like reversing the Diamond Armlet's effect and sticking MP draining enemies everywhere while Stop is getting flung around like its going out of style (which can only be treated with a single type of consumable), because 'even the ports in the storm are now out to sink your ass' as it were).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 18, 2016, 09:53:30 AM
Zozo was also pretty iconic, though for bad reasons as much as good.

Dat music.

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Even though FF7 as a whole didn't necessarily strike in much the same way, there was something about Nibleheim

FF7's locales are amazing across the board, if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on March 18, 2016, 09:55:47 AM
Even Kalm, which was basically "Generic JRPG Town #442753," had it's own special charm given its use as a stark contrast to the then-only-known city of Midgar
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 18, 2016, 11:41:40 AM
Nibleheim looks like a town in a Super Mario RPG game, just a collection of generic JRPG houses with pipes slathered everywhere.

Zozo's neat because its entirely a town based dungeon which are hella rare, then and now.

The most memorable things about Burmecia is the music and getting owned by Beatrix, the rest you don't really get too good of a look at (it might have had the wrecked town thing going for it if almost every town in the game didn't also get wrecked).


Both those pics are pretty great... honestly I remember some stuff in FF12 that felt pretty awe inspiring but never felt like it was noticed a lot, for instance, Pharos at Ridorana..
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/a/ae/Pharos-at-Ridorana.png/revision/latest?cb=20121122021745)
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/goshogun9/090611230859_25.jpg)

My sense is that is perhaps because it was so late in the game and lots of people just nver saw it.

Salikawood and the Viera home-world was sorta nice as well.please

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V6CfzDCjs4A/maxresdefault.jpg

I suspect its less that nobody made it to the Pharos, so much as the things people remember about the Pharos are the ridiculously long climb, the extra levels of bullshit added specifically to the dungeons chests (on top of the usual shenanigans) and the bosses, both story and postgame (especially Cid and Yizmat).

But I liked the Pharos...

I guess maybe they were atypical for a FF game and not really what people were expecting/hoping for, but from a pure dungeon-crawling perspecive FF12 was pretty fun.

The Pharos is alright when you're there for the plot and is even a cut above all the mines and Sand Seas you had to trudge through to get to that point, but some of the overworld regions were just so much better that it doesn't really rate in the grand scheme of things (right up to the point where you decide to start trying to do any of the optional crap in there, as that's when the game really starts to double down on the already really obnoxious crap, like reversing the Diamond Armlet's effect and sticking MP draining enemies everywhere while Stop is getting flung around like its going out of style (which can only be treated with a single type of consumable), because 'even the ports in the storm are now out to sink your ass' as it were).

Well I must confess it has been a bit since I've played FF12, so I couldn't tell you for sure which was what, although honestly I don't remember the overmap being necessarily super spiffy at times, but as I say, it's been awhile.

Considering that, I should probably just defer to you in that regard haha =-), it was possibly not the most optimal dungeon. My vague remembrance is simply that I had my kind of A team cut fresh and ready to rumble at that point, such that there weren't any issues because I had some overpowered scheme or did too many side quests or something.

I just remember Pharos looking (seeming, visually) pretty neat, it seems like it was pretty clearly based off the Egyptian "Pharos" lighthouse

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com%2Flookandlearn-preview%2FA%2FA001%2FA001018-01.jpg&f=1)

One of the cool things about gaming and JRPGs and stuff IMO is how often there is that kind of cross-cultural exchange where you can see the different inspirations and such. ^_^

I'd post more pics but I think I've done a bit and that would be OT, but seriously those SMRPG towns were mega charming.

And yeah there were definitely other cool areas of FF7.

Even Kalm, which was basically "Generic JRPG Town #442753," had it's own special charm given its use as a stark contrast to the then-only-known city of Midgar

+1!

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Spoony Mage on March 18, 2016, 04:07:16 PM
I'll be interested in seeing how the FF7 remake handles places like Cosmo Canyon, Rocket Town, and perhaps even Wutai when they eventually reach them.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 18, 2016, 09:29:08 PM
My favorite FF town was definitely Esthar in FF8.  I love brightly futuristic towns like that. 

I also really liked Rabanastre in FF12.  I spent 3 hours just loitering around Rabanastre because it was such a large, bustling, and infinitely explorable city.

The only thing I didn't really like about Esthar was the music.  In that regard, the FF town with my favorite town music was easily Black Mage Village in FF9.  That music is still one of my favorite town themes of all time.   
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on March 18, 2016, 09:48:34 PM

  In that regard, the FF town with my favorite town music was easily Black Mage Village in FF9.  That music is still one of my favorite town themes of all time.   

Fisherman's Horizon.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 19, 2016, 08:03:56 AM
Great choice.  That music is so evocative, and Fisherman's Horizon was where one of my favorite events in FF8 took place. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 20, 2016, 11:40:26 AM
Great choice.  That music is so evocative, and Fisherman's Horizon was where one of my favorite events in FF8 took place. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I9OH2UZsqA

Perhaps?

I should add, did find it pretty fun as well. In fact, the back and forth interactions between Rinoa and Squall are one of the more endearing interactions in FF it seems.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 20, 2016, 12:57:44 PM
Indeed, yes.  What I really liked was that the Squall-Rinoa interaction played out differently whether they played the ballad or the Irish jig.  The one I liked better was the Squall-Rinoa interaction during the Irish jig.  

And I agree with you about the quieter moments that made FF8 endearing to me; those are why it's my favorite FF.  Simple things like Squall's and Rinoa's awkward mannerisms during their little rendezvous at Fisherman's Horizon, the various scenes that occur in Zell's bedroom depending on who you have in your party, the Zell-library girl sidequest (so cute!), most any Zell-Rinoa interaction (like the ring thing), and my personal favorite- the tense conversation when Rinoa mentions that she used to date Seifer.  That last one is one that definitely stayed with me.  I wanted to know more about Rinoa's past with Seifer, but Squall had a conniption fit, made it all about him, and it got glossed over.  It was also interesting because, typically, JRPG heroines were portrayed as virginal to a fault so seeing one with a dating history was cool.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 20, 2016, 01:25:06 PM
Indeed, yes.  What I really liked was that the Squall-Rinoa interaction played out differently whether they played the ballad or the Irish jig.  The one I liked better was the Squall-Rinoa interaction during the Irish jig.  

And I agree with you about the quieter moments that made FF8 endearing to me; those are why it's my favorite FF.  Simple things like Squall's and Rinoa's awkward mannerisms during their little rendezvous at Fisherman's Horizon, the various scenes that occur in Zell's bedroom depending on who you have in your party, the Zell-library girl sidequest (so cute!), most any Zell-Rinoa interaction (like the ring thing), and my personal favorite- the tense conversation when Rinoa mentions that she used to date Seifer.  That last one is one that definitely stayed with me.  I wanted to know more about Rinoa's past with Seifer, but Squall had a conniption fit, made it all about him, and it got glossed over.  It was also interesting because, typically, JRPG heroines were portrayed as virginal to a fault so seeing one with a dating history was cool.


So much +1 for this!! =-) There are indeed lots of unique quiet moments, I think you also picked out why Rinoa resonated with me because yeah she has that more playful, kind of bounce to her personality whereas a lot of JRPG girls are as you say more tame perhaps.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 21, 2016, 09:06:53 PM
Funny thing is, I never really liked Rinoa.  I've known girls like her and I found them exasperating and definitely not girls I'd want to date.  But, in that regard, I respect Rinoa as being a believable character since I knew people like her.  Credit to Squall being believable too because I find that folks either love him because they see a lot of themselves in him, or they loathe him because they see a lot of themselves in him.  I saw a lot of my angsty 15 year-old self in Squall including the parts that I, as an adult now, find petulant. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 21, 2016, 09:30:29 PM
Funny thing is, I never really liked Rinoa.  I've known girls like her and I found them exasperating and definitely not girls I'd want to date.  But, in that regard, I respect Rinoa as being a believable character since I knew people like her.  Credit to Squall being believable too because I find that folks either love him because they see a lot of themselves in him, or they loathe him because they see a lot of themselves in him.  I saw a lot of my angsty 15 year-old self in Squall including the parts that I, as an adult now, find petulant. 

=-(, oh no! Well I guess those two things go together, understanding and appreciating, versus a personal decision. Lol... in all seriousness though a lot of people seemed to react in strange ways to FF8 that I never really understood, Rinoa and perhaps some other characters.

Honestly though, speaking to Squall I'd say many people seemed to dislike him but from my perspective he was always very responsible and diligent. Usually, people gravitate towards a kind of  character in FF like Zidane or something that's all kind of dashing charm (and that's fine and all, liked FF9 plenty and all that!). The idea of a character that moves in a different direction sometimes gets a different reaction. Like in Rinoa's case, she wasn't the alpha to the omega sort of dynamic, it was more of a "I get your side, you get mine" sort of relationship. I think that's what precipitated the kind of quiet elements, there was already a kind of mutual understanding, about, well, all kinds of things.

I'm going to draw a strange comparison but it vaguely reminds me of The Witcher series how Triss and Geralt have this like mutual understanding about where they are, where they are going, when this, when that, it's like there's an awareness of what the other person is doing and consequently, their moments together are less of an "excited learning process" about foreign things and more just about checking on things already understood.

Anyway, it's interesting also, because Squall always seemed to be just kind of like "strong," the reverse side of what people thought of as like the apathy and stuff like that was that in a serious, critical moment he would still be objective and make decisions, he seemed to do well at not letting stuff get to him. I seem to often remember that

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Edea parade when everything goes wrong and Irvine has a breakdown, and Squalls just like 'you know, it doesn't even matter if you hit it or anything, just do it' I thought that was interesting, it showed like this level reaction (We'll take care of the rest) he was adapting on the fly and such. There's also that speech he gives when he first takes over as the SeeD leader, just all in all, interesting guy..)
Anyway, FF8 in general zigs where a lot of FF zags, and it's all the more endearing for it in many ways. I'm not really sure which FF overall would take top honors, but out of the kind of more epic themed (like, 4, 6-10, 13) types, it would be #1 probably.

 6 though...=-)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on March 21, 2016, 09:33:31 PM
I don't think I liked any of the characters in FF8 =/
I mean, I didn't hate them all (I would have dropped the game if so), but I can't say I fancy any of them that much.

Probably a major reason why FF8 as a game isn't that high on my FF appreciation scale.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 21, 2016, 10:03:41 PM
I don't think I liked any of the characters in FF8 =/
I mean, I didn't hate them all (I would have dropped the game if so), but I can't say I fancy any of them that much.

Probably a major reason why FF8 as a game isn't that high on my FF appreciation scale.

Well as noted, that's been a more common sentiment..

I think FF8 is more than just the romantic elements though, it just had a lot of kind "whoa!" moments though like Edea's sequence and such. (spoilers naturally)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRQCyOGTOBA

I'd also have to say 8's OST is one of the ones that really stuck with me in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYDT_Y6Jj5c

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 21, 2016, 11:33:13 PM
Funny thing is, I never really liked Rinoa.  I've known girls like her and I found them exasperating and definitely not girls I'd want to date.  But, in that regard, I respect Rinoa as being a believable character since I knew people like her.  Credit to Squall being believable too because I find that folks either love him because they see a lot of themselves in him, or they loathe him because they see a lot of themselves in him.  I saw a lot of my angsty 15 year-old self in Squall including the parts that I, as an adult now, find petulant. 

I know I've said way too much about this game in the past, but still, I agree with this post (except for the part that refers to Squall as 'angsty', he was never really 'angsty', apathetic? sure, anti-social? only when it came to the chucklefucks he had to work with on a regular basis, but angst? the guy never really pouted or moped on screen for any non-significant reason). Squall and Rinoa were very much written like teenagers caught in a teenage romance. The problem was that there was a bunch of that saving the world crap on the side and the game turned into the inspiration of all these YA novel movies like the Hunger Games, Divergent and Jupiter Rising where the only thing more important than saving the world(s/everything forever) is watching these two destined love birds overcome the odds and come together in a once-in-an-epoch, power-of-love, super deluxe type 2 turbo romance to end all romances fueled by the purest of tru wuvs. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the game's setting and plot bends over backwards to constantly keep Squall as the center of attention (whether he likes it or not) and Rinoa is a painfully straight example of the oldskool FF style female waif archetype.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 22, 2016, 05:52:15 PM
Technically, I never said Squall was angsty.  Just that he resonated with MY memories of MY angsty feelings from when I was 15.  In other words, I called MYSELF (well my past self) angsty.  Not Squall.  And my favorite romance in FF8 was Zell and the library girl. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 22, 2016, 05:58:32 PM
Hm, well now we have Rinoa is like every other FF char, in addition to Rinoa and Squall are unique.

Mayhaps she is neither so far from the tree, and apart, at the same time?

Although I must confess I am having trouble understanding what would qualify as "old school FF character archetype" considering the first 3 games didn't have primary playable characters essentially, 1 and 3 being nothing, 2 being pretty much as vague as a name, more or less.

If we're speaking of 4, well Rinoa isn't personality-wise really like Rydia, either before or after Leviathan, or even really like Terra or Celes.

I guess I could see like a Rosa-Rinoa comparison, it's hard to say Squall-Cecil or Squall-Bartz or Squall-Zidane or Squall lots of things though.

 I think the idea is that Squall would be just like Cloud, so Cloud-Tifa was supposed to emulate Squall-Rinoa perhaps. Even then, Tifa and Rinoa aren't really super similar again either.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 22, 2016, 07:45:04 PM
Hm, well now we have Rinoa is like every other FF char, in addition to Rinoa and Squall are unique.

Mayhaps she is neither so far from the tree, and apart, at the same time?

Although I must confess I am having trouble understanding what would qualify as "old school FF character archetype" considering the first 3 games didn't have primary playable characters essentially, 1 and 3 being nothing, 2 being pretty much as vague as a name, more or less.

If we're speaking of 4, well Rinoa isn't personality-wise really like Rydia, either before or after Leviathan, or even really like Terra or Celes.

I guess I could see like a Rosa-Rinoa comparison, it's hard to say Squall-Cecil or Squall-Bartz or Squall-Zidane or Squall lots of things though.

 I think the idea is that Squall would be just like Cloud, so Cloud-Tifa was supposed to emulate Squall-Rinoa perhaps. Even then, Tifa and Rinoa aren't really super similar again either.

I've made huge effort posts about this in the past, but the general gist of my post was that the female leads in every mainline FF (that had them) up until XII followed the same archetype of being a lady of nobility or of significant circumstance, very demure (even when trying to be actiony) and is primarily of the healer/white mage archetype (and maybe subbing in Summoner). This includes FFIV's Rosa, FFV's Lena/Reina (though the White Mage job is optional), FFVI's Celestina (kinda, Magic is wonky in this game), FFVII's Tifa (due to her and Aerith swapping Jobs), FFVIII's Riona, FFIX's Garnet/Dagger and FFX's Yuna (pre-FFX-2).

My point had nothing to do with Squall since he and the other FF leads tend to do their own thing (Cecil is a conflicted straight arrow, Butz is a Shonen Protagonist, Locke is a goon (i.e. a well-meaning creep), Cloud is cocky and messed up, Squall is an anti-social teen, Zidane is a well-traveled flirt, Tidus is a jock with daddy issues, Vaan's low-fatansy Luke Skywalker/low-rent Disney's Aladdin).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on March 22, 2016, 09:00:30 PM
It's funny, but despite that assessment I still consider both Garnet and Yuna way "tougher" than the actual "FF tough girl" Lightning.  But in terms of truly unique heroines?  The FF series wouldn't be my go-to.

I feel like the Tales series is almost 'tacky' to bring up these days in some ways, but I definitely enjoy their way more experimental style.  Pascal especially being very anti-girly.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Isjaki on March 22, 2016, 09:17:26 PM
Anyone want Steam Keys for Final Fantasy VIII and XIII-2? I bought the Square Enix Easter surprise thing for fun. Having already put so many hours into both of these games, I thought it would be nice to give them away(For free of course!). If interested, message me or something!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on March 22, 2016, 09:34:01 PM
Anyone want Steam Keys for Final Fantasy VIII and XIII-2? I bought the Square Enix Easter surprise thing for fun. Having already put so many hours into both of these games, I thought it would be nice to give them away(For free of course!). If interested, message me or something!

YES, FORMER

I will doodle you a picture if you want in return D:
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 22, 2016, 10:52:33 PM
Hm, well now we have Rinoa is like every other FF char, in addition to Rinoa and Squall are unique.

Mayhaps she is neither so far from the tree, and apart, at the same time?

Although I must confess I am having trouble understanding what would qualify as "old school FF character archetype" considering the first 3 games didn't have primary playable characters essentially, 1 and 3 being nothing, 2 being pretty much as vague as a name, more or less.

If we're speaking of 4, well Rinoa isn't personality-wise really like Rydia, either before or after Leviathan, or even really like Terra or Celes.

I guess I could see like a Rosa-Rinoa comparison, it's hard to say Squall-Cecil or Squall-Bartz or Squall-Zidane or Squall lots of things though.

 I think the idea is that Squall would be just like Cloud, so Cloud-Tifa was supposed to emulate Squall-Rinoa perhaps. Even then, Tifa and Rinoa aren't really super similar again either.

I've made huge effort posts about this in the past, but the general gist of my post was that the female leads in every mainline FF (that had them) up until XII followed the same archetype of being a lady of nobility or of significant circumstance, very demure (even when trying to be actiony) and is primarily of the healer/white mage archetype (and maybe subbing in Summoner). This includes FFIV's Rosa, FFV's Lena/Reina (though the White Mage job is optional), FFVI's Celestina (kinda, Magic is wonky in this game), FFVII's Tifa (due to her and Aerith swapping Jobs), FFVIII's Riona, FFIX's Garnet/Dagger and FFX's Yuna (pre-FFX-2).

My point had nothing to do with Squall since he and the other FF leads tend to do their own thing (Cecil is a conflicted straight arrow, Butz is a Shonen Protagonist, Locke is a goon (i.e. a well-meaning creep), Cloud is cocky and messed up, Squall is an anti-social teen, Zidane is a well-traveled flirt, Tidus is a jock with daddy issues, Vaan's low-fatansy Luke Skywalker/low-rent Disney's Aladdin).

Well technically you could build Ashe into a healer type, but she would still perhaps be more brash personality-wise at any rate (I made her into a Paladin of some kind sorta)

But yeah I still don't see Rinoa as fitting into that category too well, since she isn't as demure (rejects Galbadian scene for the whole "Forest Owls" thing), but isn't as I was saying necessarily like not demure.

Honestly one of the things that interested me as much as that is the fact even she herself saw her own group as kind of not really able to get it done, and Squall kind of points that out at times. Anyway, it also just felt more realistic about a lot of things on a lot of levels.

But yeah I don't think Celes is really in that category either, such as with her interactions with Edgar and such. Or that Bartz is a shonen protagonist really.. I mean actually ok I don't really see a bunch of these lol sorry. Maybe I'll check out the other posts back in the thread somewhere at some point.

I mean Tidus is honestly kind of like Yuna in many ways, has more a demure presence at times, and while Zidane is well-traveled I'm not sure flirt.. like he is suprisingly tamped down at times for whatever reason. Whereas Vaan was almost more silly and carefree to the point where Aladdin might be diligent by comparison.

I mean Ashe for instance isn't really demure per se, but she definitely does do a lot of deferring for the most part in the game, either to Basch or Balthier, etc. Fran would naturally be a more clear contrast as far as these things go, but then again, so would Faris or perhaps a number of other minor characters that I'm forgetting.

Rosa, Leina, Terra, Tifa, Garnet, Yuna FFX yeah all those fit the WHM class role basically- Garnet being the most clear case.

I must confess I could never make heads or tails of FFX-2, I played it for about an hour and then never again lol I gave it to someone else who appeared to like it though. It was just such a flagrant break with the series.

At any rate, I was never trying to push Rinoa so far into some other category in the first place, only to suggest there was moderate tampering with the WHM role, but honestly rather than make it about Rinoa it seemed to affect a number of the FF8 characters. Like where's the paralell for Irvine anyway? I don't know... still seems different I suppose.

Anyway! Well I was just musing about Squall independently, that wasn't really related to what you were talking about, necessarily.

It's funny, but despite that assessment I still consider both Garnet and Yuna way "tougher" than the actual "FF tough girl" Lightning.


Mhm! Of course, Lightning has been pretty cool at times but overall like Yuna or Garnet did seem kind of tougher, it's hard to say who Lightning is though in many ways because of the number of games she's been in now and such, feels like they kept changing her identity.



Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Isjaki on March 22, 2016, 11:05:10 PM
Anyone want Steam Keys for Final Fantasy VIII and XIII-2? I bought the Square Enix Easter surprise thing for fun. Having already put so many hours into both of these games, I thought it would be nice to give them away(For free of course!). If interested, message me or something!

YES, FORMER

I will doodle you a picture if you want in return D:

You should let me know if you got a message. It kept telling me the server has timed out or something, so you might have gotten a bunch or zero due to me trying quite a few times. D:
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 22, 2016, 11:45:28 PM
Anyone want Steam Keys for Final Fantasy VIII and XIII-2? I bought the Square Enix Easter surprise thing for fun. Having already put so many hours into both of these games, I thought it would be nice to give them away(For free of course!). If interested, message me or something!

YES, FORMER

I will doodle you a picture if you want in return D:

You should let me know if you got a message. It kept telling me the server has timed out or something, so you might have gotten a bunch or zero due to me trying quite a few times. D:

I'd be down for the latter if it still remains up for grabs. At the very least, it'd give me a reason to fire up Steam again.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 22, 2016, 11:51:42 PM
Well I was going to add something but then the forum disconnected me or something and ate my message, so I'll try this again. For whatever reason (maybe I changed a setting somewhere or something) the functionality of these forums have been really extremely atrocious in recent times.

Anyway, I was going into this in more detail, and I can sorta see the idea that all the kind of clear identity FF like FF4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, all feature a kind of clear WHM princess oriented character of some kind or another.

On the wiki it mentions the origin of the name as Riona or gaelic well copy-paste the wiki "Rinoa may be a variation of Riona, a Gaelic Irish name meaning both "pure" and "royal". Both meanings could be attributed to Rinoa, in the angelic appearance and in the Forest Owls members referring to her as "princess".

Hm so there's that.

Although apparently "Rinoa's surname, Heartilly, is derived from the English word "heartily". Heartily is an adverb meaning in a cordial manner, with warmth and sincerity, with zest or enthusiasm."

So like, pure, with zest? Perhaps, not as much, at rest?

Well anyway I'm still thinking why it is that FF8 keeps sticking with me, it must be because out of all those perhaps it was simply the clearest encapsulation of that style or something? At any rate, it has all those weird things like the time warping, cutting, the strange ending, etc, sort of like the Utena of FFs or whatever.

Anyway, it could simply be that in fully encapsulating that style, it also started to strain the boundaries of something different, perhaps.

Then again, Garnet starts off 9 leaving on her own accord, but then it's like you have her trying to kind of "fit in" (practicing with the farmer, etc) whereas Rinoa had more of a direct connection.

I also found this alternate Rinoa outfit which was apparently designed like 10 years ago for some fan contest (cause I keep up on all this sort of thing lol)

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20080328075729%2Ffinalfantasy%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fe0%2FRinoa-Dion_Rogers.jpg&f=1)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Isjaki on March 23, 2016, 12:08:52 AM
Anyone want Steam Keys for Final Fantasy VIII and XIII-2? I bought the Square Enix Easter surprise thing for fun. Having already put so many hours into both of these games, I thought it would be nice to give them away(For free of course!). If interested, message me or something!

YES, FORMER

I will doodle you a picture if you want in return D:

You should let me know if you got a message. It kept telling me the server has timed out or something, so you might have gotten a bunch or zero due to me trying quite a few times. D:

I'd be down for the latter if it still remains up for grabs. At the very least, it'd give me a reason to fire up Steam again.

You should check your messages. Sorry if I sent multiple, the site is keeps taking absurdly long to send a message and then goes to a white screen with some words and numbers.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 23, 2016, 02:00:55 AM
Oh and one other thing! I'm sure other people noticed, but FF2 was really quite basically Saga Frontier in spirit (weapon skills building, mechanics, etc)

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 23, 2016, 07:03:05 AM
Anyone want Steam Keys for Final Fantasy VIII and XIII-2? I bought the Square Enix Easter surprise thing for fun. Having already put so many hours into both of these games, I thought it would be nice to give them away(For free of course!). If interested, message me or something!

YES, FORMER

I will doodle you a picture if you want in return D:

You should let me know if you got a message. It kept telling me the server has timed out or something, so you might have gotten a bunch or zero due to me trying quite a few times. D:

I'd be down for the latter if it still remains up for grabs. At the very least, it'd give me a reason to fire up Steam again.

You should check your messages. Sorry if I sent multiple, the site is keeps taking absurdly long to send a message and then goes to a white screen with some words and numbers.

Yep, I got the message. Thanks. (http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-buddy.gif)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 23, 2016, 10:08:00 AM
Question:  Is Tifa considered "demure" by most of you?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on March 23, 2016, 10:41:37 AM
Question:  Is Tifa considered "demure" by most of you?

Camera-wise, maybe because of the game's limited hardware, they at least didn't do tons of ass shots or off-centre shots where her face is cut off to get her boobs in (the one time they did was embarassing (http://i.imgur.com/8Qll8.gif) not only on a fanservice level but graphically; Rinoa's tiny bounce (http://49.media.tumblr.com/5343d122784e3f6c49858d7581aaa1cb/tumblr_n6b97mRGUn1rcgsnvo1_500.gif) was way less comical and surprisingly realistic for a game); FF has fortunately never really (or often) stooped to too much of the PERVERT!!!! *slap* stuff.  Design-wise, Tifa's had a great run.  Her skirt is stupidly short and her boobs look more like they're filled with tissue than sweet-sweet candy, and sure, she's pulling crazy moves that no one in that outfit would pull... but for the most part, I've liked her outfits, they work well for her profession, and her AC design is surprisingly cool and tasteful (and she had running shoes still!). 

Being honest, I think I'd like her FF7 design more if it didn't mean half the internet losing their shit about her every time or citing her as their favourite girl BECAUSE she's dressed that way.
(http://i.imgur.com/MxrTaHz.png?1)

Those parts aside, personality-wise, I thought Tifa was well-rounded.  She was kind, she was spirited, she was nice, she was passionate, she was...I guess perfectly normal, she reacted the way most people did without say the 'bigger personalities' you might expect from "a character" (e.x., Cid's fiery temper, Selphie's genki-girl-isms, Vivi's quiet disposition, Tidus chewing on a Blitzball naked while he cries about his daddy issues).
In the end, she's pretty hard to hate.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 23, 2016, 03:30:59 PM
I ask because she was included in Aeolus' Demure Female White Mage Archetype essay a few posts back.  And I was like "Is Tifa a healer?  Wait, is she DEMURE!?"

And I was wondering if everyone considered her demure, because I never have.

As for her design, let's face it: it's terrible in the original FFVII.  By designing her as a sex object, too many gamers never saw her as anything more, despite her writing being very much more than that.  All of her subsequent treatments have been very good, though, if you ask me.

Not saying she's never done it for me.  On the contrary.  But the reason she has remained in my heart for almost 20 years now is despite her design, really, rather than because of it.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on March 23, 2016, 05:04:17 PM
If a girl changes your diapers, she's a keeper.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on March 23, 2016, 05:54:03 PM
I ask because she was included in Aeolus' Demure Female White Mage Archetype essay a few posts back.  And I was like "Is Tifa a healer?  Wait, is she DEMURE!?"

And I was wondering if everyone considered her demure, because I never have.

Nah, I had the exact same reaction to that post.  I didn't feel like arguing the point, though, so I didn't say anything...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 23, 2016, 06:18:34 PM
Tifa, being the owner/proprietor of Seventh Heaven bar, she has to play the game.  Be demure enough to play up to the male clientele (or she'll lose business), but still be tough enough to knock some sense into them if they get too rowdy or grabby with her.  And I've posted enough times about her strength of character, particularly her dedication to Cloud during his bout with mako poisoning.  And she shows her more demure side when she tells Cloud about her fantasy of being rescued by a knight in shining armor, eve though, yes, she is a strong independent woman with the skills to take care of herself.

Rinoa is a sheltered army brat who wants to rebel and be independent, but is like those immature high school SJW types who don't really know how the world works and when she gets in trouble, daddy has to bail her out.  Squall even calls her out on that.  Despite her being the damsel in distress, at least she doesn't want to be.  I have to give her some leeway since she's only 17 and we all had a lot of growing up to do when we were 17 and thought we had it all figured out. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on March 23, 2016, 08:26:03 PM
If a girl changes your diapers, she's a keeper.

Preach. 
I hate Cloud for passing up a perfectly perfect woman like Tifa.  Like seriously, have you ever seen such a deep case of 'do me eyes'??
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb4fx6LCrh1qi24fko1_500.gif)

Cloud burning a torch for Aeris makes little sense to me.  Girl was whack, she already had Zack and is basically going for a duplicate.
:P

Tifa, being the owner/proprietor of Seventh Heaven bar, she has to play the game.  Be demure enough to play up to the male clientele (or she'll lose business), but still be tough enough to knock some sense into them if they get too rowdy or grabby with her.  And I've posted enough times about her strength of character, particularly her dedication to Cloud during his bout with mako poisoning.  And she shows her more demure side when she tells Cloud about her fantasy of being rescued by a knight in shining armor, eve though, yes, she is a strong independent woman with the skills to take care of herself.

Rinoa is a sheltered army brat who wants to rebel and be independent, but is like those immature high school SJW types who don't really know how the world works and when she gets in trouble, daddy has to bail her out.  Squall even calls her out on that.  Despite her being the damsel in distress, at least she doesn't want to be.  I have to give her some leeway since she's only 17 and we all had a lot of growing up to do when we were 17 and thought we had it all figured out. 

This is a post I could say a lot more on.  Some good, some bad.
I did think the slap mini-game was stupid; hope the remake just has Tifa OHKO Scarlet since she doesn't seem to be a real threat compared to other monsters in the game the martial arts bartender has had to take out.

I ask because she was included in Aeolus' Demure Female White Mage Archetype essay a few posts back.  And I was like "Is Tifa a healer?  Wait, is she DEMURE!?"

And I was wondering if everyone considered her demure, because I never have.

Nah, I had the exact same reaction to that post.  I didn't feel like arguing the point, though, so I didn't say anything...

Aeris was the healer and fit that role of "special girl w/ magical necklace" to boot.  Aeris was the way bigger JRPG stereotype heroine.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on March 23, 2016, 09:11:58 PM
AC Tifa = Probably demure (and one of my favorite character designs ever)
OG Tifa = Not demure (the victory celebration where she sticks her chest out pretty much sealed her as a sex symbol to confused pantsed 14 year olds across the glode)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 23, 2016, 11:02:47 PM
I ask because she was included in Aeolus' Demure Female White Mage Archetype essay a few posts back.  And I was like "Is Tifa a healer?  Wait, is she DEMURE!?"

And I was wondering if everyone considered her demure, because I never have.

Nah, I had the exact same reaction to that post.  I didn't feel like arguing the point, though, so I didn't say anything...

A lot of people who haven't revisited FFVII this decade pitt.

Because seriously, FFVII was all about messing with the player's expectations.

Cloud presents himself as a cocky and self-assured Mercenary/former 1st Class SOLDIER, then quickly falls apart and he spends most of the game rebuilding himself back up (and even surpassing the illusion when he recalls how in spite of the overwhelming odds, a faceless mook singlehandedly put a stop to the bloody rampage of Shin-ra's most powerful SOLDIER/living bioweapon and lived to tell the tale)

Sephiroth initially thinks himself as an Ancient, but he wasn't and you're not even really fighting him, just copies made by Jenova (admittedly its hard to say who actually was in control of that partnership).

Aeris would be the typical FF Female Lead (aka the character archetype I went on about on the previous page), except that her personality is the wrong type and Cloud doesn't end up with her because of getting ded.

And likewise Tifa, looks like a more strong independent action girl, yet she's getting chained up in creeps' basements, and having catfights while in the middle of getting rescued, and even ditches the party to stay with Cloud.

Midgar presents itself as this massive encompassing cyberpunk setting, yet not only is the rest of the game far more rural and down to earth (pun intended), but that outside of completing a rather obscure sidequest, once you leave Midgar, you don't come back until near the very end of the game.

And hell, even the very end of the game messes with your expectations because 500 years later, Red XIII and grandcubs are off to save the world again even though the means should've been lost 500 years ago.

And that's not even the half of it.

Its really unfortunate that ever since Nomura started up his own EU with Kingdom Hearts, he's basically done everything in his power to redefine the characters and the events of the game back into the very schlock that OG VII tried to subvert, especially since there were some really good aspects to the game that have been almost completely forgotten. Its part of the reason why I have no faith in the FFVII Remakes.


And getting back to my original statement, I specified that FFVII did weird and expectation defying things with its setting, characters and plot, but in terms of the Aerth/Tifa thing, the game doesn't really switch the two all that well. While Earth is the more independent of the two initially, she fits the rest of the stereotypes like a goddamn glove (mechanically she has nothing but healing and status Limit Breaks, her weapon is a staff, she's the only character in the game that starts in the back row, she's the one who gets kidnapped and the one who gets saddled with the malady (a case of the deads in this case)), but she's also evading the Turks on a regular basis, the one to help Cloud get into the sex dungeon that Tifa tries to sneak into and she's even the one who actually utilizes the means to stop Meteor even in the face of deth.

Whereas Tifa mechanically functions like a Monk with the punches and kicks and a Limit Break that's all about styling the hell outta some foos', she's also the one who serves as the public face of AVALANCHE, the one who recruits Cloud into AVALANCHE and the one who willingly plays along with Cloud's whacked out rendition of the events of Nibelheim rather than confront Cloud with what she recalls, among other things.

Unfortunately, the distinctions become rather moot later on due to the lack of focus on either character until near the end of Disk 1, the dating sequence mudding the waters and the fact that neither Aerith or Titfa really escapes from the cliche.


Also, I feel that before this goes any further, I should probably acknowledge the fact that yes, DEMURE was not the most appropriate term I could've used (namely because I was trying to avoid running to the unfortunately correct phrase Yamato Nadeshico (or however its spelled) due to some of the implications that it implies that again, doesn't necessarily fit FFVII in particular (and also because I didn't want to bother trying to spell it but its either that or let this be the hill I die on)).


Also also, for all of the dogpiling over my comments on FFVII, there's a distinct lack of lowering the boom on my comments in regards to the rest of the mainline FF games.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on March 24, 2016, 03:19:59 AM
c'mon guys we all know tifa loves the bbc and is banging barret she just teases cloud.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 24, 2016, 11:02:51 AM
If a girl changes your diapers, she's a keeper.

Preach. 
I hate Cloud for passing up a perfectly perfect woman like Tifa.  Like seriously, have you ever seen such a deep case of 'do me eyes'??

I watched that gif cycle probably 50 times.  Not in a row, I just kept coming back to it.

To be fair, though, Cloud doesn't "pass her up".  The two of them achieve... "an understanding" in FFVII proper, and are living together (possibly platonically, I'll grant) in AC.  However, AC Cloud's geostigma infection is jacking up his emotions, due to it literally being a condensation of Sephiroth's continuing hatred, anguish, and all-around negative energy.  Hence why he's too busy moping over Aerith to have fun with Tifa.  In my headcanon, Cloud accepts her do-me-eyes invitation shortly after the AC credits roll.


AC Tifa = Probably demure (and one of my favorite character designs ever)
Dilly-dally shilly-shally.


I should probably acknowledge the fact that yes, DEMURE was not the most appropriate term I could've used

That's all you had to say, really.  Wasn't arguing your point, just wondering if I had the wrong impression of Tifa all this time.

"Now will you stop acting like a retard and CLIMB!?"
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 24, 2016, 07:04:01 PM
Alisha's post made me lol.  If Tifa can handle Cloud's buster sword, she could probably handle Barret's Ungarmaxx.  (yes, this is said with tongue in cheek). 

As for Aeolus's post, that goes in line with what I've been saying is one of the themes of FF7- everyone believing that which is untrue. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rook on March 24, 2016, 08:03:31 PM
Funny thing is, I never really liked Rinoa.  I've known girls like her and I found them exasperating and definitely not girls I'd want to date.  But, in that regard, I respect Rinoa as being a believable character since I knew people like her.  Credit to Squall being believable too because I find that folks either love him because they see a lot of themselves in him, or they loathe him because they see a lot of themselves in him.  I saw a lot of my angsty 15 year-old self in Squall including the parts that I, as an adult now, find petulant. 

Rinoa was alright. Its just that IMO she has zero chemistry w/ Squall and I didn't believe the "romance" between the 2 for one second. I could have bought a Quistis-Squall pairing because they kind of went well together.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 24, 2016, 08:17:10 PM
I thought the Squall-Rinoa romance played out like a bad rendition of Romeo and Juliet.  And, as said earlier, it could have been more interesting had her past with Seifer been explored.  Sometimes I wonder if Squall's perfectly timed conniption fit during that scene and/or the whole "remembering (forgetting?) the orphanage" scene were put in there because the writers were like "Oh crap, we're on the fast track to writing ourselves into a corner.  About face!  About face!"

I said earlier that my favorite romance was the Zell-library girl sidequest.  What endeared me was that Zell's not the reading type, but he loved the Pururun books.  And Zell doesn't seem like the type of guy library girl would go for, but she did.

I explain it all here http://www.rpgfan.com/features/Our_Favorite_RPG_Couples/index.html    (http://www.rpgfan.com/features/Our_Favorite_RPG_Couples/index.html)  

 And I swear, my first time playing FF8, I hadn't finished the library girl quest, and during the flashback when Zell says he'll make a replica lion ring for Rinoa, she playfully asks him about the library girl and when he's all like "huh wha?" she replies that everyone in school's talking about it.  No one else saw that and I tried multiple times to recreate that, but to no avail.  I thought that was cute that Zell wanted to play secret wingman for Squall and Rinoa wanted to play secret wing-girl for Zell.  I also thought it was cute that when the party hides out in Zell's room, Rinoa's the only one who doesn't irk him.  

EDIT: Tangent: Writing and scripting good relationship storylines is very difficult.  Many movies, books, and TV shows fall flat on their faces depicting relationships, especially adult relationships.  Even video games harbored by relationships (e.g. love adventures) often fall into the same predictable tropes making the characters feel like cardboard archetypes rather than people.  Sure there are plenty that have top notch writing and depict aspects of relationships well, but they're few and far between.  

And in almost any given culture, there is some kind of taboo or stigma about sex and sexuality, which is a key and complex component in relationships.  The maturity to which a culture as a whole views sex and sexuality (and relationships as a whole) will affect how it is depicted by writers.  
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 25, 2016, 04:05:14 AM
Actually, I did notice in reviewing FF7 Aeris for whatever reason was actually in many ways more aggressive than Tifa, despite the "boxing gloves" and stuff like that Tifa kind of rolls with everyone else for a lot of things.

Although I would also say FF3 (remake), 11, 12,  13 and 14 all have characters that tend to break the mold (such as Yda from FF14), but of course are going to be buried beneath lots of content or quests or a monthly subscription or whatever.. I mean those FFs just aren't as well known in general I think (outside of places like here)

Although, I definitely think some things like with 12 and 13, both have characters that break the "demure" element like Ashe and Fran, Lightning and Fang, but not necessarily the overall support role (often find themselves fighting to support someone else, by necessity, etc)

As to the ^, I think is kind of interesting to explore different sorts of relationships, outgoing type or whatever with inward reading type, etc, stuff like that.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 25, 2016, 07:10:43 AM
And that's one thing I thought was cool about FFX.  Tidus wasn't all shy and awkward when it came to Yuna.  He approached her any chance he got, and I liked when Wakka warned him not to get close to her, and he just shrugged and hit on her anyway. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Spoony Mage on March 25, 2016, 04:30:31 PM
Alisha's post made me lol.  If Tifa can handle Cloud's buster sword, she could probably handle Barret's Ungarmaxx.  (yes, this is said with tongue in cheek). 

Let's face it.  It's all about Cid's Dragoon Lance. :P

I remember watching Advent Children with my at-the-time girlfriend and she kept snarking at Tifa for being so nice.  She was even worse when playing FFVII.  I don't know how many times I had to remind her that Tifa was a nice girl, but it became sort of a running gag after a while.

And that's one thing I thought was cool about FFX.  Tidus wasn't all shy and awkward when it came to Yuna.  He approached her any chance he got, and I liked when Wakka warned him not to get close to her, and he just shrugged and hit on her anyway. 
That dream sequence after the first Eidolon trial.  Tidus having to choose between Rikku and Yuna was just funny to watch before Jecht cock blocked him.  Then again, I actually liked the fact that you could raise affection values with the girls during the game, even though it ultimately went nowhere because reasons.  I sort of wish you could do that in FFVIII.  Maybe then Quistis would have a chance. :D
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 25, 2016, 04:50:17 PM
Re: Cid's dragoon lance.  Well, maybe that was partially why Shera stuck around with him despite him being an abusive prick to her.  Okay, the noble reason could be all about "the truth will set you free" since it goes in line with the "believing that which is untrue" theme (Cid believed that Shera killed his dream, when in actuality she didn't; she saved his life.)

With FFVIII pretty much being a Squall case study, a lot of characters got shafted in terms of development and fleshing out.  It's no secret that a LOT more could have been done with Quistis, Seifer, and others.  Seifer's downhill spiral from being the alpha-male rival who boinked the hero's girlfriend first to being the Blair Witch's lapdog was lame and felt like another aforementioned case of "cue the end-all explosion before I write myself into a corner."

I sometimes used to wonder why Fujin hung out with Seif and Raijin since she was smarter and had more common sense than they did.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 25, 2016, 04:55:13 PM
Alisha's post made me lol.  If Tifa can handle Cloud's buster sword, she could probably handle Barret's Ungarmaxx.  (yes, this is said with tongue in cheek). 

Let's face it.  It's all about Cid's Dragoon Lance. :P


Are you sure you don't mean his Something-That-Rhymes-With-Venus Gospel?

Sorry.


Seifer ... who'd already boinked the protagonist's girlfriend
Despite popular opinion, "dated" does not mean "had sex with".  *angryface*
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 25, 2016, 05:01:37 PM
Even if Seifer hadn't boinked Rinoa, he's still the kind of douchey guy who'd rub your face in it like he did.  He'd be all like, "I boinked your girl first, chickenwuss!  She was S-ing my D while you were you were in your room polishing your gunblade.  You're getting my sloppy seconds!  Ha ha ha ha ha!  Go back to your room and mope, loser!"  

This is making FFVIII a lot more interesting than it really was now.  
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Spoony Mage on March 25, 2016, 06:07:59 PM
With FFVIII pretty much being a Squall case study, a lot of characters got shafted in terms of development and fleshing out.  It's no secret that a LOT more could have been done with Quistis, Seifer, and others.  Seifer's downhill spiral from being the alpha-male rival who boinked the hero's girlfriend first to being the Blair Witch's lapdog was lame and felt like another aforementioned case of "cue the end-all explosion before I write myself into a corner."

Well how about the Selfie/Irvine love story in the game?  There we have a cliche yet seemingly not as lame case of the childhood friend carrying a torch for so many years.  Especially since Irvine didn't suffer from GF induced memory loss like the rest of them.  I actually found that more interesting than Squall/Rinoa.  Then again, I found Selfie and Quistis far more interesting than Rinoa, so maybe it's just me.
Alisha's post made me lol.  If Tifa can handle Cloud's buster sword, she could probably handle Barret's Ungarmaxx.  (yes, this is said with tongue in cheek). 

Let's face it.  It's all about Cid's Dragoon Lance. :P


Are you sure you don't mean his Something-That-Rhymes-With-Venus Gospel?

Sorry.


I was trying to come up with something for that, but went blank.  Thanks for that.  :D
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 25, 2016, 07:50:34 PM
Irvine was that guy who talked a big game about being a womanizer to mask his insecurity.  He brags about all the women he's been with and how he knows guns and women inside and out, yet he's all shy and almost virgin-awkward around Selphie and almost chokes when he has to make the shot of a lifetime.  

However, during the orphanage scene, I liked that when he shot the basketball he missed.  It just made the scene feel more genuine.  And I liked that, at times, he offered that cooler, more objective counterpoint to the hotter tempers that flared up (e.g. Zell.)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on March 25, 2016, 10:22:45 PM
I actually really love the way Quistis looks.  While a lot of the FF heroines can definitely claim to sport very good ideas of Japanese beauty (and not at all a thing wrong with that), I thought Quistis was a stunning example of a more Western look.  I suppose the same can be said to some extent of Squall and Irvine respectively.  I definitely love the way the FF8 cast looks all in all.

...back when I really liked Tetsuya Nomura's art.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 25, 2016, 11:44:05 PM
If a girl changes your diapers, she's a keeper.

Preach. 
I hate Cloud for passing up a perfectly perfect woman like Tifa.  Like seriously, have you ever seen such a deep case of 'do me eyes'??

I watched that gif cycle probably 50 times.  Not in a row, I just kept coming back to it.

To be fair, though, Cloud doesn't "pass her up".  The two of them achieve... "an understanding" in FFVII proper, and are living together (possibly platonically, I'll grant) in AC.  However, AC Cloud's geostigma infection is jacking up his emotions, due to it literally being a condensation of Sephiroth's continuing hatred, anguish, and all-around negative energy.  Hence why he's too busy moping over Aerith to have fun with Tifa.  In my headcanon, Cloud accepts her do-me-eyes invitation shortly after the AC credits roll.

Funny story, you know that scene that occurs right before your party enters North Crater in OG FFVII? That's when Cloud activates his Limit Break and gives Tifa his Finishing Touch. It may have happened off screen but it was totally implied. And now you know the real reason why I'm not going to give any fucks about the remake. Because Nomura sure ain't.


Alisha's post made me lol.  If Tifa can handle Cloud's buster sword, she could probably handle Barret's Ungarmaxx.  (yes, this is said with tongue in cheek). 

Let's face it.  It's all about Cid's Dragoon Lance. :P


Are you sure you don't mean his Something-That-Rhymes-With-Venus Gospel?

Sorry.


I was trying to come up with something for that, but went blank.  Thanks for that.  :D

I believe you meant to say that she took a ride on his Highwind.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 27, 2016, 11:03:25 PM

...back when I really liked Tetsuya Nomura's art.

Personally I never liked Kingdom Hearts as much as FF, which was kind of his baby I think.

Edit: Although I certainly can't say I didn't not like it either, not at all really.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 27, 2016, 11:04:56 PM
Also count me in as an Irvine fan that guy was pretty much always in the party.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 27, 2016, 11:50:31 PM

...back when I really liked Tetsuya Nomura's art.

Personally I never liked Kingdom Hearts as much as FF, which was kind of his baby I think.

Edit: Although I certainly can't say I didn't not like it either, not at all really.

Kingdom Hearts (at least the first game as that's the only one I've played to date) seems to have decentish to good gameplay, but holy hell, the writing is just total and complete, absolute swill. It absolutely belongs in Hot Topic. Hell, its one of the larger contributers to giving Hot Topic the godawful reputation that it has.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 28, 2016, 11:23:06 AM
I found Selfie and Quistis far more interesting than Rinoa

Selfie is Best Grill.

However...
I actually really love the way Quistis looks

Teenage Arvis still says this makes Quistis Best Grill.  Sexy Librarian is a look that will never... uh, never not be awesome.  Unfortunately, she kinda loses that look when she gets out of uniform.  Why would you ever ditch the glasses? :(

And now you know the real reason why I'm not going to give any fucks about the remake. Because Nomura sure ain't.

I actually don't understand at all how the Cloud/Tifa romance scene makes you reach that conclusion at all.  Sorry.

Either way, though, while many many people WANT sex to be implied in that scene (even I kinda sorta do just because Tifa is worthy of Cloud's love and affection and commitment and few things spell out all 3 like love-making) I really really doubt there's a solid argument that it happened in canon.  They got it on out in the open while all their friends were not far away in an airship covered in windows?  I don't think so.  Maybe a make-out session and some heavy petting, which would be embarrassing enough for both of them, but... it just doesn't fit with the world or characters that they'd go all the way in that setting.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on March 28, 2016, 11:52:34 AM
Selfie is Best Grill.

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/9/9a/FFVIII_Bite_Hard.png/revision/latest?cb=20100515085611)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 28, 2016, 01:10:43 PM
I found Selfie and Quistis far more interesting than Rinoa

Selfie is Best Grill.

However...
I actually really love the way Quistis looks

Teenage Arvis still says this makes Quistis Best Grill.  Sexy Librarian is a look that will never... uh, never not be awesome.  Unfortunately, she kinda loses that look when she gets out of uniform.  Why would you ever ditch the glasses? :(

And now you know the real reason why I'm not going to give any fucks about the remake. Because Nomura sure ain't.

I actually don't understand at all how the Cloud/Tifa romance scene makes you reach that conclusion at all.  Sorry.

Either way, though, while many many people WANT sex to be implied in that scene (even I kinda sorta do just because Tifa is worthy of Cloud's love and affection and commitment and few things spell out all 3 like love-making) I really really doubt there's a solid argument that it happened in canon.  They got it on out in the open while all their friends were not far away in an airship covered in windows?  I don't think so.  Maybe a make-out session and some heavy petting, which would be embarrassing enough for both of them, but... it just doesn't fit with the world or characters that they'd go all the way in that setting.

What I'm getting at is that Advent Children used Kingdom Hearts characterization of the FFVII crew instead of the FFVII version. Kingdom Hearts kinda just straight up disregards everything going into it to do its own thing, especially the later games where the Disney connection got buried by the OC ('do not steal') plot/characters, which in of itself is a clusterfuck of trying too hard to be simplistic and kid friendly to continue to allow what remains of the Disney elements to still get through, yet also try to be hip and 'with it' for the teenager crowd by being all kinds of edgy, angst and grimdark, all of which just comes off as horribly pretentious.

But even then, in the first KH game, you had Squall Leon try to be mysterious cool but ending up being a total dork, FFVII Cid ditching all of his anger management issues to become a somewhat gruff fellow and little else; Tidus, Wakka, Rikku and Seifer end up becoming kids, Cloud performed a fu-shion-ha! with Vincent to become champion of the underworld, and so on.... Which is fine in the context of Kingdom Hearts where changes were necessary to facilitate the ridiculous crossover between Disney's various IPs and Final Fantasy, but then the movie and the rest of that stupid compilation happened and tried to take those variants and shove them back into the setting that they were based upon. Not helping matters was the fact that the FFVII Compilation was focused on Cloud, Vincent, not-Cloud Zack and the Turks (which consisted of a guy who angsts in a coffin all day, a guy who was rewritten into being more like the guy who angsts in a coffin all day, a guy who the previous guy originally tried to model himself after before being rewritten into being more like the guy who angsts in a coffin all day (and didn't really have a story beyond that guy the other guy tried to copy until the International Release of FFVII), and an abfab quirky miniboss squad that styled themselves as a bunch of Reservoir Dogs).

That said, for the Cloud x Tifa scene, I must ask. If you've just got finished stomping the last remnants of an evil empire analogue into the ground, but you and your friends plus significant other (who is your childhood GF and you just patched things up with) still have to dive headfirst into the final villain's stronghold in order to gain the mere chance to save the world from the hot death hurdling from above, wouldn't you take the time to rest up and get your affairs in order before moseying off into the abyss in case one or more of you fail to make it back or something goes wrong and you fail to avert Armageddon? I know that in such a situation I would be down for anything, especially if it involved a gal like Tifa. Also I'm running partially off the fact that this came out shortly after Bahamut Lagoon was made where relationships also advanced to their logical conclusion, and also shortly before Xenogears was made which included full frontals and a huge neon sign that reads "Can you guess what just happened?" in the form of a giant robot and its midseason upgrade.

That all said, I think we at least agree on one thing. Quistis & Selfie > Riona. Sorry Riona, I'm just not into fisting or animal cruelty.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 28, 2016, 02:44:17 PM

I believe you meant to say that she took a ride on his Highwind Tiny Bronco.

Fixed :P
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 28, 2016, 04:21:53 PM
I know that in such a situation I would be down for anything, especially if it involved a gal like Tifa.

I have no comeback for this stroke of eloquence.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 28, 2016, 04:30:01 PM
Given where this discussion has gone, if Final Fantasy makes it to a 30th installment who would want Final Fantasy XXX to be an eroge? 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 28, 2016, 04:31:34 PM
Given where this discussion has gone, if Final Fantasy makes it to a 30th installment who would want Final Fantasy XXX to be an eroge? 
First: ew.
Second: we'd all be in our 60s or so by then, so..... double ew.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Frostillicus on March 28, 2016, 04:48:26 PM
Given where this discussion has gone, if Final Fantasy makes it to a 30th installment who would want Final Fantasy XXX to be an eroge? 
First: ew.
Second: we'd all be in our 60s or so by then, so..... double ew.

^ I disagree with the prudish gerontophobe here.
I say, bring it on!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 28, 2016, 04:57:49 PM
Given where this discussion has gone, if Final Fantasy makes it to a 30th installment who would want Final Fantasy XXX to be an eroge? 
First: ew.
Second: we'd all be in our 60s or so by then, so..... double ew.

Closer to our 90s at the rate the series is taking at developing new mainline titles.

And frankly, I don't feel like waiting that long. I'd rather make my own H-Game, with Blackjack and Hookers, instead.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 28, 2016, 05:09:23 PM
Given where this discussion has gone, if Final Fantasy makes it to a 30th installment who would want Final Fantasy XXX to be an eroge? 
First: ew.
Second: we'd all be in our 60s or so by then, so..... double ew.

^ I disagree with the prudish gerontophobe here.
I say, bring it on!

That is, without a doubt, the most apt description of me I have ever encountered.  Thank you, and well done.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Spoony Mage on March 28, 2016, 10:59:41 PM
Given where this discussion has gone, if Final Fantasy makes it to a 30th installment who would want Final Fantasy XXX to be an eroge? 
You're implying there isn't already one.  Hell, given the ingenuity and impatience of the Japanese fan crowd, I wouldn't bee surprised if there were several.  Involving each of the FFVII girls. And perhaps all at once.  And likely a version for fem!Cloud.


I believe you meant to say that she took a ride on his Highwind Tiny Bronco.

Fixed :P

He totally Jumped her bones.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on March 28, 2016, 11:12:56 PM
Given where this discussion has gone, if Final Fantasy makes it to a 30th installment who would want Final Fantasy XXX to be an eroge? 
You're implying there isn't already one.

(http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/finalfantasy/ff5/loljapan.jpg)
The butt stuff in Legend of the Crystals is hilarious.

He totally Jumped her bones.

I kinda wished they swapped the order.  Tifa and Cloud would have hooked up better if it happened in AV than in FF7 (I feel like the latter was the better 'grieving period' time than when the two were working/living[?] together in the film).

... But yeah, they boned.  And you really only 'get that scene' if you, like an asshole, reject Aeris any chance you get and flirt with the bartender.  Which I'm sure is a male fantasy at least one drunken college night.  It was mine too, almost...'cept it was a guy chef at an Italian buffet.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 29, 2016, 01:36:33 AM
Given where this discussion has gone, if Final Fantasy makes it to a 30th installment who would want Final Fantasy XXX to be an eroge? 
You're implying there isn't already one.  Hell, given the ingenuity and impatience of the Japanese fan crowd, I wouldn't bee surprised if there were several.  Involving each of the FFVII girls. And perhaps all at once.  And likely a version for fem!Cloud.


I believe you meant to say that she took a ride on his Highwind Tiny Bronco.

Fixed :P

He totally Jumped her bones.

Nevermind the Japanese, I'm plenty sure that the west has generated its own fair share of FFVII based Dirty Mag.

Also, which Jump? Boost Jump or Hyper Jump?
Code: [Select]
(The correct answer is neither as he took a Dragon Dive onto her.)

And with that said....

(http://gematsu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/FF15-Yoshitaka-Amano-LA-Shrine.jpg)

I believe I've located where all the females went from FFXV.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on March 29, 2016, 07:50:41 AM
Don't you mean FFVIII dirty mag?  After all, it was in FFVIII's Fisherman's Horizon concert scene that Irvine left the dirty magazine out when the party was trying to hook up Squally-poo and Rinny. 

But, yeah, Rule 34.  Probably not a great idea to Google image search Tifa hentai. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on March 29, 2016, 08:54:26 AM
Can't tell what's really going on in that picture at all, but it's gorgeous! :D
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 29, 2016, 11:12:07 AM
Can't tell what's really going on in that picture at all, but it's gorgeous! :D
Same!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on March 29, 2016, 05:04:22 PM
Can't tell what's really going on in that picture at all, but it's gorgeous! :D
Same!

Admittedly, the only thing I recognize is the car up near the top center and to the left. Maybe that's Cindy beneath it in the red, but its kinda hard to tell since the woman in this picture is actually wearing clothes (but no hat).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on March 30, 2016, 05:56:23 AM
So I got further done with FFXIII-2, and I have to say, I feel like this is a case of 2 steps forward, 5 steps back or something.

Whatever problems 13 had that might of been slightly improved, the rest just went way backwards to the point where I don't know how I'll ever finish it.

Meh.



Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 30, 2016, 10:26:28 AM
So I got further done with FFXIII-2, and I have to say, I feel like this is a case of 2 steps forward, 5 steps back or something.

Whatever problems 13 had that might of been slightly improved, the rest just went way backwards to the point where I don't know how I'll ever finish it.

Meh.





XIII-2 sucks.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on March 30, 2016, 10:57:39 AM
So I got further done with FFXIII-2, and I have to say, I feel like this is a case of 2 steps forward, 5 steps back or something.

Whatever problems 13 had that might of been slightly improved, the rest just went way backwards to the point where I don't know how I'll ever finish it.

Meh.





Hmm.. yeah.  That feels about right.  The storyline made my brain go numb.  The A/V aspect was great and top-shelf.


...

Also, whose fucking idea was it to get secret monsters by throwing the worst incarnation of the Moogle mascot off random gorges?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: EmeraldSword on March 30, 2016, 11:23:02 AM
Also, whose fucking idea was it to get secret monsters by throwing the worst incarnation of the Moogle mascot off random gorges?

Poor kupo! :*(
(http://cdn.cutestpaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/l-Kupo.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: bigdeath on March 30, 2016, 05:58:09 PM
I really enjoy Lighning Returns. Dress me up lightning is the best game of the trilogy.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Voxmeister on March 30, 2016, 06:28:30 PM
I found the story of 13-2 to be so ridiculous that at more than one point I thought "Wait, what if this is actually genious?". I ended on "isn't" though.

At least I really enjoyed the time hub concept and how you use it to collect different endings. Also monster recruiting in an FF.

Over all I enjoy how all the 13s had different takes on time usage. With the first one using distribution of time (being linear to match the story pace and putting almost all the sidequesting in a post-game). 2 being structurally about time (using time jumping, alt-realities and non-linearity through a hub world), and 3 having (real)time as an actual game mechanic.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on March 31, 2016, 10:33:38 AM
I really enjoy Lighning Returns. Dress me up lightning is the best game of the trilogy.

I still need to get to this game at some point.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 01, 2016, 04:00:13 AM
LR looked even worse to be honest.

Also, whose fucking idea was it to get secret monsters by throwing the worst incarnation of the Moogle mascot off random gorges?

Poor kupo! :*(
(http://cdn.cutestpaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/l-Kupo.jpg)

I'm with Orson here though, the mog from FF13-2 was adorebz. Throwing it into obscure locations and trying to get it not to bounce and such and all that? Not so much...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Isjaki on April 01, 2016, 06:08:17 PM
I thought LR was okay. The time limit stuff didn't really matter once you could start spamming that skill that slows down the passing of time. The game became really easy.  I feel like that should have been a ng+ thing.

The ending was fairly typical FF ending(as in completely ridiculous). All though, a little more cheesy.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: bigdeath on April 02, 2016, 10:54:25 PM
I thought LR was okay. The time limit stuff didn't really matter once you could start spamming that skill that slows down the passing of time. The game became really easy.  I feel like that should have been a ng+ thing.

The ending was fairly typical FF ending(as in completely ridiculous). All though, a little more cheesy.

Honestly, the ending reminded me of Shin Megami Tensei games. I know the same type of ending has been done more than once in that series.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 03, 2016, 04:11:55 AM
I thought LR was okay. The time limit stuff didn't really matter once you could start spamming that skill that slows down the passing of time. The game became really easy.  I feel like that should have been a ng+ thing.

The ending was fairly typical FF ending(as in completely ridiculous). All though, a little more cheesy.

Something tells me you haven't played all of them to the end... =-)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Isjaki on April 03, 2016, 04:04:10 PM
SMT has some pretty over the top endings. I generally like the endings of SMT games more than FF.

I haven't beaten FF III, XII or the mmos. I thought X had a really good ending, but was ruined by a sequel. I did like that there were 15 different possible endings for V.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on April 10, 2016, 11:54:17 PM
lol
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/04/10/final-fantasy-xiv-making-7-eleven-stores-sell-sodas-japan/
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 12, 2016, 10:28:54 AM
I don't know if you guys are familiar with lara6683 but she does a lot of amazing video game piano covers, such as this FF one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSF6gZTyUOQ&nohtml5=False
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rook on April 14, 2016, 11:43:24 PM
I found the story of 13-2 to be so ridiculous that at more than one point I thought "Wait, what if this is actually genious?". I ended on "isn't" though.

At least I really enjoyed the time hub concept and how you use it to collect different endings. Also monster recruiting in an FF.

Over all I enjoy how all the 13s had different takes on time usage. With the first one using distribution of time (being linear to match the story pace and putting almost all the sidequesting in a post-game). 2 being structurally about time (using time jumping, alt-realities and non-linearity through a hub world), and 3 having (real)time as an actual game mechanic.

I can be an easy critic when it comes to JRPGs. Give me some interesting characters and a fun battle system and I'm usually good. I liked FF13-2. Noel and Sarah had some good chemistry. I also liked the supporting cast, it had an excellent soundtrack, the final boss battle was pretty intense without being cheap and they brought some much needed wackiness back. Even in some of my favorite FFs the final 10-15 hours can be a slog and I never thought that way with FF13-2. The story yea wasn't great but had its moments.

LR, I gave up on about 20 hours and watched the movies on the youtubes. If you are going to make me redo everything all over again then you better be a damn good game, which LR wasn't.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: bigdeath on April 15, 2016, 03:32:20 PM
We'll just have to disagree because I really loved Lightning Returns. I think its a great game and quite enjoyable to replay.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on April 18, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
Gawd, Serah was a boring protag. 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on April 18, 2016, 03:12:27 PM
Gawd, Serah was a boring protag. 
So boring, people to this day still think Noel was interesting.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 18, 2016, 06:52:36 PM
We'll just have to disagree because I really loved Lightning Returns. I think its a great game and quite enjoyable to replay.

Hm, a contrary opinion.

I guess maybe the only way to know for sure is just to give a shot, should be pretty cheap by now.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 18, 2016, 06:56:21 PM
We'll just have to disagree because I really loved Lightning Returns. I think its a great game and quite enjoyable to replay.

Hm
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on April 18, 2016, 07:35:47 PM
Gawd, Serah was a boring protag. 

I liked Serah better than Lightning.

And most people on this forum know by now that I thought LR was the worst entry in the XIII trilogy. I didn't like the flow and progression and I thought the ending was just... bleerrrgghhh
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: bigdeath on April 18, 2016, 09:49:06 PM
We'll just have to disagree because I really loved Lightning Returns. I think its a great game and quite enjoyable to replay.

Hm

Hey, take my opinion with a grain of salt because I really loved FF13. I just loved the combat and music. Super linear game but I have a blast playing it. FF13 actually has challenging combat. When was the last time a Final Fantasy game provided any kind of difficulty? FF 4? lol

Its kind of funny, all through FF13 I was hoping Serah would become a playable character since shes such a focus of the story. I was so disappointed when she did not but then FF13-2 came out. lol  I love the music of FF13-2 and while its too easy I just avoid doing side quests in order to avoid leveling up too much. It provides a decent challenge if you do that.

Also, why does everyone hate on poor Noel? Boring? How? Compared to who? Le Sigh. Oh, I also loved Snow and Vanille so yeah.......apparently I'm crazy. lol
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 19, 2016, 07:52:12 AM
Hope you guys have enough self-awareness to notice how binary this back and forth with the XIII series is online.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on April 19, 2016, 11:31:44 AM
We'll just have to disagree because I really loved Lightning Returns. I think its a great game and quite enjoyable to replay.

Hm

Hey, take my opinion with a grain of salt because I really loved FF13. I just loved the combat and music. Super linear game but I have a blast playing it. FF13 actually has challenging combat. When was the last time a Final Fantasy game provided any kind of difficulty? FF 4? lol

Its kind of funny, all through FF13 I was hoping Serah would become a playable character since shes such a focus of the story. I was so disappointed when she did not but then FF13-2 came out. lol  I love the music of FF13-2 and while its too easy I just avoid doing side quests in order to avoid leveling up too much. It provides a decent challenge if you do that.

Also, why does everyone hate on poor Noel? Boring? How? Compared to who? Le Sigh. Oh, I also loved Snow and Vanille so yeah.......apparently I'm crazy. lol

Its not that Noel was boring, but Serah.  I'll be honest, though: they were both boring.  I wanted to like Serah, because... well, because she's hot, but I just didn't.  She never does or says anything particularly interesting.

I will say, though, XIII was a fun game, with pretty graphics, excellent music, great characters and an awesome battle system that was so much more than mash-x-to-win that it boggles my mind.  XIII-2, on the other hand... was pretty much mash-x-to-win until the final dungeon.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on April 19, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
The final battle in XIII-2 was my favorite final battle in the trilogy. One of the most underrated final battle themes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQfZBuAWqn4) in the entire FF series and a nice homage to FF4's Bahamut/Tiamat fights.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 19, 2016, 12:43:56 PM
We'll just have to disagree because I really loved Lightning Returns. I think its a great game and quite enjoyable to replay.

Hm

Hey, take my opinion with a grain of salt because I really loved FF13. I just loved the combat and music. Super linear game but I have a blast playing it. FF13 actually has challenging combat. When was the last time a Final Fantasy game provided any kind of difficulty? FF 4? lol

Its kind of funny, all through FF13 I was hoping Serah would become a playable character since shes such a focus of the story. I was so disappointed when she did not but then FF13-2 came out. lol  I love the music of FF13-2 and while its too easy I just avoid doing side quests in order to avoid leveling up too much. It provides a decent challenge if you do that.

Also, why does everyone hate on poor Noel? Boring? How? Compared to who? Le Sigh. Oh, I also loved Snow and Vanille so yeah.......apparently I'm crazy. lol

Its not that Noel was boring, but Serah.  I'll be honest, though: they were both boring.  I wanted to like Serah, because... well, because she's hot, but I just didn't.  She never does or says anything particularly interesting.

I will say, though, XIII was a fun game, with pretty graphics, excellent music, great characters and an awesome battle system that was so much more than mash-x-to-win that it boggles my mind.  XIII-2, on the other hand... was pretty much mash-x-to-win until the final dungeon.

That's pretty much due to Noel overshadowing her within five minutes into their journey. Granted there isn't a whole lot that Serah could've done beyond being a ditz, but even her quest for Lightning gets backburnered hard in favor of helping Noel get over his Caius bromance while on their magical time traveling adventures.

That said, Noel himself is a huge dork and its great that LR decided to run with it by having him go edgelord like a dork like him would when things stop going his way (and even gets slapped out of it just as quickly too).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 19, 2016, 04:29:28 PM
I will say, though, XIII was a fun game, with pretty graphics, excellent music, great characters and an awesome battle system that was so much more than mash-x-to-win that it boggles my mind.  XIII-2, on the other hand... was pretty much mash-x-to-win until the final dungeon.

XIII-2 is a +1 in pretty much every aspect XIII presented previously. Saying that is disappointing follow-up in any regard is dismissing the fact of how much better it is overall to the X series and its self-indulgence, and that's quite impressive given how unexpectedly self-aware the XIII trilogy ended up being with its esoteric story and universe by the end of it.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on April 19, 2016, 04:36:04 PM
I will say, though, XIII was a fun game, with pretty graphics, excellent music, great characters and an awesome battle system that was so much more than mash-x-to-win that it boggles my mind.  XIII-2, on the other hand... was pretty much mash-x-to-win until the final dungeon.

XIII-2 is a +1 in pretty much every aspect XIII presented previously. Saying that is disappointing follow-up in any regard is dismissing the fact of how much better it is overall to the X series and its self-indulgence, and that's quite impressive given how unexpectedly self-aware the XIII trilogy ended up being with its esoteric story and universe by the end of it.

You lost me in that second sentence, but I wholeheartedly disagree with the first.  Everything in XIII-2 was a downgrade from XIII, save the linearity.  Worse story, worse/less characters, MUCH worse battle system.  Of course, "worse" and "better" are highly subjective, so let me put it another way:
- The story of XIII-2 somehow managed to be even MORE convoluted and hard to follow than XIII's, with even less heart.
- XIII-2's characters felt bland and one-dimensional, compared to XIII's characters, who felt interesting and one-dimensional.
- XIII-2's battle system was an egregiously watered-down and broken version of XIII's.

So, in my opinion, those things made it worse.  Someone else might enjoy the "complex" story, "realistic" characters, and "simplified" battles of XIII-2, I suppose.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on April 19, 2016, 04:48:43 PM
I will say, though, XIII was a fun game, with pretty graphics, excellent music, great characters and an awesome battle system that was so much more than mash-x-to-win that it boggles my mind.  XIII-2, on the other hand... was pretty much mash-x-to-win until the final dungeon.

XIII-2 is a +1 in pretty much every aspect XIII presented previously. Saying that is disappointing follow-up in any regard is dismissing the fact of how much better it is overall to the X series and its self-indulgence, and that's quite impressive given how unexpectedly self-aware the XIII trilogy ended up being with its esoteric story and universe by the end of it.

You lost me in that second sentence, but I wholeheartedly disagree with the first.  Everything in XIII-2 was a downgrade from XIII, save the linearity.  Worse story, worse/less characters, MUCH worse battle system.  Of course, "worse" and "better" are highly subjective, so let me put it another way:
- The story of XIII-2 somehow managed to be even MORE convoluted and hard to follow than XIII's, with even less heart.
- XIII-2's characters felt bland and one-dimensional, compared to XIII's characters, who felt interesting and one-dimensional.
- XIII-2's battle system was an egregiously watered-down and broken version of XIII's.

So, in my opinion, those things made it worse.  Someone else might enjoy the "complex" story, "realistic" characters, and "simplified" battles of XIII-2, I suppose.
...I agree with your first 2 points, but XIII 2s battle system was far more useable than XIIIs, by leaps and bounds. It's not to say it was great, but it functioned much better than the original's and gave you better customization for battles.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on April 19, 2016, 04:49:01 PM
13-2 was garbage because of serah. from a pure gameplay perspctive sure it was better than 13-2 but as someone who actually likes lightning serah was her polar opposite.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on April 19, 2016, 04:53:48 PM
XIII 2s battle system was far more useable than XIIIs, by leaps and bounds. It's not to say it was great, but it functioned much better than the original's and gave you better customization for battles.
I can't comprehend this viewpoint, but I am glad you liked that aspect of XIII-2.  It's not a terrible game or a terrible system, but for me it lacks the distinctiveness and strategy of it's predecessor.  COM-COM-COM gets you through most of the game.  If you refuse to use that, though, the battle system certainly gets a lot better.  As for customization.... I have no idea how it's better or worse than XIII's.  XIII's different "job classes" at least felt viable and functional in almost any situation, whereas in XIII-2 I never felt like I could make any combination of Paradigms work, like I could in XIII.  Felt like I was being pushed into using just a handful of combinations.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on April 19, 2016, 05:07:12 PM
^ everything about this.

In a single battle in OG XIII you might switch from Com-Com-Rav to Com-Rav-Med to Med-Sen-Med, back to com-com-rav and also would have been completely justified if you'd have swapped out the extra com for a sab or syn (especially during boss battles).  Or you could start with Com-Com-Med, switch to Com-Rav-Rav, flipped over to com-rav-sab and then brought the hammer down with com-com-com (which should really only be used when your opponent is already staggered)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 19, 2016, 05:14:43 PM
@Arvis: I'm not one to see gaming in the light of 'a product with features that contains content and experiences' nor I care about the vapid viewpoint and ideas of standards FF fans have with the series. So considering that, my viewpoint is not gonna mix very well with how dense the logic of RPG fans can be in more than one occasion.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on April 19, 2016, 05:17:01 PM
^ Pardon my vapidness, but what does that even mean?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 19, 2016, 05:54:50 PM
FFXIII-1's battle system takes forever to get going, but regardless of that, it generally makes you use what tools you currently have at your disposal. You generally have to pay attention to your fights since they're practically scripted.

FFXIII-2's battle system will let you do whatever you want since the only things holding you back are what roles you have unlocked on Serah-chan/not-Sora and your currently selected monster. The reason as to why you can get away with basically any build is because the game never bothers to challenge you outside of the DLC bullshit, most of which can be solved just by finding the game's best monster and powerleveling it to max. Even FFVI is harder than this game since it occasionally involves a boss fight with a gimmick.

The tl;dr is that neither are particularly well designed since one strangles the player for no real sense of progress or reward, while the other just simply rolls over and begs for it, right in the unmentionables.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 19, 2016, 06:38:40 PM
^You either like it or you are a relentless dick if you didn't. What else is there to argue after 5+ years of noise with XIII?

---

@glassjawsh: I didn't wrote any riddle Sherlock.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Voxmeister on April 19, 2016, 08:33:48 PM
XIII-2 improved the battle system by being literally twice as fast. Perhaps it was too easy for some, but that's what happens when you have non-linearity. You did have an alt-end boss you could challenge (hopelessly) from very early on though.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Maxximum on April 20, 2016, 02:17:04 AM
Oh my, it's getting a little warm here, and it seems like tempers are starting to flare up. I have a little request for you folks before this gets out of hand. Keep the FF debate going (that's what this thread is for after all :) ) but cool it with the people insults.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 20, 2016, 03:26:13 AM
Well I think FF13 was an interesting video game I think, and it fits with rebel girl Lightning and all that.

The problem I had with FF13 and more recent FFs is that is all that were to me at times, kind of.. I don't know I just felt like they were missing something earlier (and non MMO) FFs had in greater abundance.

I'd kind of have to disagree about 13-2 a bit because I found it sort of challenging etc but less with battles and more with the throwing the moogles at the artefacts or just the artefact/gate system in  general, etc.

But yeah I think SQENIX is kind of making those sharp experiences and stuff but part of (not sole) appeal of FF to me was it was like this crazy combination of like anime, movies, games, like, it was this thing that became greater than the sum of it's parts.

Increasingly, it just felt more one dimensional to me... essentially, but I mean  hey I still keep sort of an eye on it because it was certainly active, or, something, it offers something unique still in many ways in fact.

Also as stated previously that something wasn't the thing from 6 or 7 I believe it came from even earlier than that... not to say it was exclusive to those or precluded from modern ones, of course.

And I mean it's ultimately possible to like something and also dislike or feel less enthusiastic about certain elements at the same time, I'm pretty sure even the people who made it feel that way at times.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on April 20, 2016, 10:00:52 AM
FFXIII-1's battle system takes forever to get going, but regardless of that, it generally makes you use what tools you currently have at your disposal. You generally have to pay attention to your fights since they're practically scripted.... it strangles the player for no real sense of progress or reward

I agree it takes a while to get going and is very restrictive for a good chunk of the game, but once each character opens up a 4th "job class", I feel like the whole battle system opens up and becomes an exercise in creativity.  Heck, I was effectively using SYN-SYN-SYN for a good chunk of the last part of the story to easily defeat mobs, and it was great.  It was really fun going for that combo and seeing it work within my other Paradigms.

It's not perfect, of course.  Your complaints are totally valid.  But I prefer what it does well over anything XIII-2 had on offer.  XIII-2 rarely, if ever, made me feel like I accomplished anything worthwhile in battle.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Tooker on April 20, 2016, 12:28:23 PM
^You either like it or you are a relentless dick if you didn't. What else is there to argue after 5+ years of noise with XIII?

As I told someone else recently, you're about half a step from a ban here, Ygg.  You've already got a bad reputation, so your leash is shorter than some folks'.  Cool it or get out.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on April 20, 2016, 07:21:51 PM
^You either like it or you are a relentless dick if you didn't.

There's a lot of people willing to admit what they both like and didn't like about the game.  ...Like they do for any game.  You gotta lighten up a little or at least stop telling us our opinions are stupid/wrong; we're all entitled to an opinion, you're just good at using it against us.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 21, 2016, 04:13:06 AM
As I told someone else recently, you're about half a step from a ban here, Ygg.  You've already got a bad reputation, so your leash is shorter than some folks'.  Cool it or get out.

Don't try to imply that I put myself on the position of being an antagonist of sorts. Besides, if this is the reaction one can get around here from the quote of my post, then that makes my point more valid. And this wasn't necessarily about insulting someone, my main point is for everyone here to move pass this tired hostile atmosphere and noise which XIII was perceived with that give a supposed right for some to be, and I repeat, relentless dicks over an FF that's sitting comfortably with 4 other FFs in the main series that have as much animosity behind them.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Towns Car Marty on April 21, 2016, 06:29:14 AM
Just because people don't agree with you doesn't invalidate your feelings about your favorite game. Knock it off and take a step back. The only person being hostile is you.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on April 21, 2016, 08:58:17 AM
As I told someone else recently, you're about half a step from a ban here, Ygg.  You've already got a bad reputation, so your leash is shorter than some folks'.  Cool it or get out.

Don't try to imply that I put myself on the position of being an antagonist of sorts. Besides, if this is the reaction one can get around here from the quote of my post, then that makes my point more valid. And this wasn't necessarily about insulting someone, my main point is for everyone here to move pass this tired hostile atmosphere and noise which XIII was perceived with that give a supposed right for some to be, and I repeat, relentless dicks over an FF that's sitting comfortably with 4 other FFs in the main series that have as much animosity behind them.

(http://i.imgur.com/s8ozURF.png)
Surely there's a better way to word that then.

I repeat myself then, just lighten up a little, talk about what you love and, if it has to come to that, we can adjust our tone if it makes you feel better (or I will anyways).  I doubt we'll agree about everything but there's always a lot more to discuss.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on April 21, 2016, 10:31:23 AM
I actually appreciate how critical people have been of XIII. I LOVED the trilogy (and still do), so the discussion made me re-evaluate what I liked about them (and games in general) and I ultimately learned more about what it is I want out of a game going forward. 

Also, I don't want to see you to get banned.  People like you need to exist so boards don't turn into echo chambers.  Dissenting opinions are necessary!

Just be nicer about it
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Frostillicus on April 21, 2016, 11:05:19 AM
I've never played, or even really looked into anything in the XIII trilogy. I was pretty disappointed with XII, and caught wind that XIII is notoriously linear, so I never bothered...  However, now that the trilogy has been out for a while, and can be had for a cheaper price, I was thinking of checking it out.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on April 21, 2016, 11:06:28 AM
I AGREE WITH EVERYONE

Also, natros, you should totally check out the XIII trilogy.  Since it's been pointlessly spat upon for years, you should be pleasantly surprised by it.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 21, 2016, 01:54:33 PM
You might have wanted to check out FFXIII-3 a few months ago....

http://www.siliconera.com/2016/04/21/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiiis-outerworld-services-shut-april-26-2016/

Not that it really changes much.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Frostillicus on April 21, 2016, 02:22:28 PM
^ It's very unlikely I would have messed with that part of the game anyway, so there are no regrets - heh.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 21, 2016, 02:45:44 PM
Is there a legit way to be able to jump a thousand times the rope in FFIX, or is just a practice in perseverance?

Surely there's a better way to word that then.

I knew someone was gonna point that out. But look. If I wanted to be as aggressive as some think I was then I could easily be much worse. At best I was maybe a bit too blunt to get the point with as less nonsense as possible, but that doesn't make it any less valid.

I AGREE WITH EVERYONE

Haha. I imagined you screaming that in a small room in the middle of a discussion.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 21, 2016, 04:12:44 PM
Well from my perspective a point laced with invective, it becomes pretty hard to even understand the point itself anyway.

I just kind of generically took that the discussion on FF13, and perhaps FF in general, has become far too swamped in.. er.... stuff that makes it impossible for observers to really understand what's going on at all one way or the other.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 21, 2016, 05:23:50 PM
I think what we all need is a Lightning gif!

(http://datworldhistoryclass.weebly.com/uploads/1/4/5/4/14540538/2921211_orig.jpg)

(http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/292140/header.jpg?t=1447361146)

There she is!



Hmm too soon?

Well lets try something simple like just debating hair pink or the other color hmm I think I'd have to go with the pinkish flavor myself!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on April 21, 2016, 05:42:32 PM
I like to think of Light's hair as the anime version of Rose Blonde
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 21, 2016, 06:17:49 PM
I like to think of Light's hair as the anime version of Rose Blonde

A thoughtful and diligent opinion!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on April 21, 2016, 08:46:54 PM
I like to think of Light's hair as the anime version of Rose Blonde

I was actually a little blue they never stuck with the darker pink they had in the first CG render.
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/3/3c/Lightning-faces.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111017235016)

Boss sprite! (http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/4/4e/FFRK_Lightning_Boss.png/revision/latest?cb=20160309075731)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 22, 2016, 07:28:46 AM
Well from my perspective a point laced with invective, it becomes pretty hard to even understand the point itself anyway.

I just kind of generically took that the discussion on FF13, and perhaps FF in general, has become far too swamped in.. er.... stuff that makes it impossible for observers to really understand what's going on at all one way or the other.

That 'stuff' you mention relates to what I said to you directly in the XV thread.

I was actually a little blue they never stuck with the darker pink they had in the first CG render.

That early design is rougher than the one even Luna in Versus XIII had at one point.

Also;

Is there a legit way to be able to jump a thousand times the rope in FFIX, or is just a practice in perseverance?

Anyone?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 22, 2016, 07:39:52 AM
Well from my perspective a point laced with invective, it becomes pretty hard to even understand the point itself anyway.

I just kind of generically took that the discussion on FF13, and perhaps FF in general, has become far too swamped in.. er.... stuff that makes it impossible for observers to really understand what's going on at all one way or the other.

That 'stuff' you mention relates to what I said to you directly in the XV thread.


Well ok..... I'm not the expert on FF fandom at any rate.

As to jumping rope well I honestly can't say i know the answer, hence haven't attempted to give one.

Actually for what it's worth, this awkward uneasy kind of up and down discussion of FF is by far the most rational discussion of the series I've seen on the internet (which goes to show how the standards are, I guess) I think most places just 1 or two steps in and we'd get a

SNOW SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Most places just kind of shun it like it's an unholy abomination dragging them away from their comfort zones into a higher plane or something.

Then there's the places where it comes up but mostly to criticize it ad-nauseum. Here though it seems people managed to eek out a "I like FF" which is, hm, different =-)


Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 22, 2016, 07:41:13 AM
I like to think of Light's hair as the anime version of Rose Blonde

I was actually a little blue they never stuck with the darker pink they had in the first CG render.
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/3/3c/Lightning-faces.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111017235016)

Boss sprite! (http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/4/4e/FFRK_Lightning_Boss.png/revision/latest?cb=20160309075731)

Sprites! Might as well just post the thing IMHO...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NFmP4fVBqA

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on April 22, 2016, 09:24:00 AM
I like to think of Light's hair as the anime version of Rose Blonde

It's frickin' pink, man.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Lian_Kazairl on April 22, 2016, 09:31:19 AM
I like to think of Light's hair as the anime version of Rose Blonde

It's frickin' pink, man.

http://stscosmetics.bg/products/63/rose-blonde (http://stscosmetics.bg/products/63/rose-blonde)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on April 22, 2016, 09:38:44 AM
I like to think of Light's hair as the anime version of Rose Blonde

It's frickin' pink, man.

http://stscosmetics.bg/products/63/rose-blonde (http://stscosmetics.bg/products/63/rose-blonde)

(http://i.imgur.com/X4bQPlc.png)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Lian_Kazairl on April 22, 2016, 09:50:20 AM
Well, if Ron Swanson says it then I guess I can't disagree. :P Still, rose blonde sounds so much better than pink...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 22, 2016, 10:06:07 PM
Shades of Pink (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shades_of_pink) -- Wikipedia

I'd say is something between Carnation pink and Lavender pink.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 23, 2016, 01:17:22 AM
Well! We ended up basically just debating whether her hair was in fact, pink, rather than which color was preferable, which I can't help but think is slightly amusing all things considered...

So the score is

(Other color) 0
(Pinkish one) 0

With 4 fill in entries for "It's not really pink, it's rose blonde" and 1 entry for "it's a shade of pink"

RPGfan, keeping it real(tm)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: TheCaterStreetHangman on April 25, 2016, 02:58:35 AM
[In regards to all the talk about Final Fantasy XIII]

That reminds me, I might get back to it... if I can do something about that hover-bike enemy that wipes out my party with its Gatling Gun. I rage-quit because of that.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 25, 2016, 04:29:50 AM
[In regards to all the talk about Final Fantasy XIII]

That reminds me, I might get back to it... if I can do something about that hover-bike enemy that wipes out my party with its Gatling Gun. I rage-quit because of that.

A wise philosopher once said "Sentinel. It's a good thing!".

Also, Timing. It helps.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on April 25, 2016, 09:50:34 AM
[In regards to all the talk about Final Fantasy XIII]

That reminds me, I might get back to it... if I can do something about that hover-bike enemy that wipes out my party with its Gatling Gun. I rage-quit because of that.

A wise philosopher once said "Sentinel. It's a good thing!".

Also, Timing. It helps.

Ah, the velocycle.  Harder than a lot of bosses for whatever reason.  That thing cleaned my clock half a dozen times before I figure out I had to sentinel-ravager-medic/sentinel-commando-medic (and sometimes sentinel/medic/medic) repeat repeat repeat.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rook on April 25, 2016, 11:19:01 AM
I AGREE WITH EVERYONE

Also, natros, you should totally check out the XIII trilogy.  Since it's been pointlessly spat upon for years, you should be pleasantly surprised by it.

I finally played it in 2014 and had no expectations but found myself enjoying by FF13 and FF13-2. They are both solid 8/10s. Granted I didn't like LR, because if you are going to make me do things over and over again you better be in greatest game ever territory which it is defo not. It is a niche game though and I can see how some people would like it.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on April 25, 2016, 12:49:51 PM
[In regards to all the talk about Final Fantasy XIII]

That reminds me, I might get back to it... if I can do something about that hover-bike enemy that wipes out my party with its Gatling Gun. I rage-quit because of that.

A wise philosopher once said "Sentinel. It's a good thing!".

Also, Timing. It helps.

Ah, the velocycle.  Harder than a lot of bosses for whatever reason.  That thing cleaned my clock half a dozen times before I figure out I had to sentinel-ravager-medic/sentinel-commando-medic (and sometimes sentinel/medic/medic) repeat repeat repeat.

There's a reason we all have memories of the Velocycle. :P
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on April 25, 2016, 07:57:35 PM
I never played FFXIII so I have no idea what a Velocycle is but I googled it and saw the word Corgispeeder and was excited but then I realized I misread that.

-- edit --

Dear Japan make corgispeeder game.

also not terrifying like Goku: TME or whatever that last Metal Max game is.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on April 25, 2016, 09:07:10 PM
So I assume this is not velocycle?  http://www.fieldtripswithsue.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/velodrome2.jpg

I mean, sure, it's a team of track cyclists riding specialized bicycles in the velodrome...

And I see your velocycle and raise you a Hardy Daytona: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/4/41/Cloud_motorcycle.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080628022043
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 26, 2016, 01:21:57 AM
I AGREE WITH EVERYONE

Also, natros, you should totally check out the XIII trilogy.  Since it's been pointlessly spat upon for years, you should be pleasantly surprised by it.

I finally played it in 2014 and had no expectations but found myself enjoying by FF13 and FF13-2. They are both solid 8/10s. Granted I didn't like LR, because if you are going to make me do things over and over again you better be in greatest game ever territory which it is defo not. It is a niche game though and I can see how some people would like it.

Some could say the same about what you said of LR with XIII-2, or hell even Demon's/Dark Souls (because I've seen those discussion happening). But honestly, by the time LR was in production Skyrim already had left an impression on certain Japanese devs that shouldn't have to had been ignored at all. And all of the people being smartasses saying that LR is like Majora's Mask, really what they should had said was something to the effect of; "LR brings Western design influenced by Skyrim to the XIII series while it projects the image of Majora's Mask". But even with that, only a cynic would not recognize that LR is very much its own thing.

Personally, I appreciated how bold LR is for an FF connected to the main series.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rook on April 26, 2016, 05:14:43 AM

Some could say the same about what you said of LR with XIII-2, or hell even Demon's/Dark Souls (because I've seen those discussion happening). But honestly, by the time LR was in production Skyrim already had left an impression on certain Japanese devs that shouldn't have to had been ignored at all. And all of the people being smartasses saying that LR is like Majora's Mask, really what they should had said was something to the effect of; "LR brings Western design influenced by Skyrim to the XIII series while it projects the image of Majora's Mask". But even with that, only a cynic would not recognize that LR is very much its own thing.

Personally, I appreciated how bold LR is for an FF connected to the main series.

I think I would have liked LR a lot more if they got rid of the time mechanic and went the XCX route with a main story mission + a bunch of other missions you can do as you please.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 26, 2016, 08:58:24 AM
I think invariably how you feel about FF: LR is guided in part by how you feel about the "SQENIX" FF13 style in general, which arguably started with 7 and found it's way through various other media and franchises, as far ranging as the Third Birthday, various aspects of Kingdom Hearts, and other PSP games and stuff like that. It's honestly even in TWEWY and stuff like that IMHO.

Yes 13-2 and 13-3 were different in their own respective ways, but I always got a distinct FF13/SQENIX feel from it all, personally, yes, different, more maybe RPG like for the hardcore RPG players, but falling from the same tree.

Anyway, think I already said as much, but something like that.

Similarly, I related something related to frankly, to be brutally honest, I don't really have any issue personally just sticking with FF3 (original 3) over and above just about literally everything that came since, that massive corpus of ubiquitous "SQENIX" brand style.

In retrospect, I'm not even sure FF7 was a good game, personally, let alone not a great one.

In some ways, in my opinion one of the worst offenders (FFX-2) is actually kind of more tolerable personasince it sort of admits that style full bore.
Title: Just dropping a short line...
Post by: TheCaterStreetHangman on April 27, 2016, 11:30:37 AM
[To those who responded to me with advice about my gameplay issue with FFXIII or who just responded in general]

Got it. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rook on April 27, 2016, 09:12:14 PM
I think invariably how you feel about FF: LR is guided in part by how you feel about the "SQENIX" FF13 style in general, which arguably started with 7 and found it's way through various other media and franchises, as far ranging as the Third Birthday, various aspects of Kingdom Hearts, and other PSP games and stuff like that. It's honestly even in TWEWY and stuff like that IMHO.

Yes 13-2 and 13-3 were different in their own respective ways, but I always got a distinct FF13/SQENIX feel from it all, personally, yes, different, more maybe RPG like for the hardcore RPG players, but falling from the same tree.

Anyway, think I already said as much, but something like that.

Similarly, I related something related to frankly, to be brutally honest, I don't really have any issue personally just sticking with FF3 (original 3) over and above just about literally everything that came since, that massive corpus of ubiquitous "SQENIX" brand style.

In retrospect, I'm not even sure FF7 was a good game, personally, let alone not a great one.

In some ways, in my opinion one of the worst offenders (FFX-2) is actually kind of more tolerable personasince it sort of admits that style full bore.

IMO FF7 is an all time great but you had to play it at the time when it was released because when it came out it was unlike anything anyone has ever played before. It was more spectacle than substance but goddamn in 1997 what a spectacle it was. Today FF9 is a much better game but at the time I played both I never got the holy @#$% feeling in FF9 than I did when I played FF7. Its funny when Legend of Dragoon was released it was derided as a blatant FF7 ripoff (it was but its a well made ripoff) but I bet if you give someone aged 16-21 a copy of LoD and a copy of FF7 they would like LoD more.

I also do like the fact that Squarenix mixes things up and gives you a different or tweaked battle system with every FF game. Granted sometimes you get a battle system that I don't particuarly like (FF8, FF12) but sometimes they nail it (FF10, FF13). Yes they could probably coast on the FF6 battle system like say DQ does but that would get old quick.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew on April 27, 2016, 09:26:24 PM
IMO FF7 is an all time great but you had to play it at the time when it was released because when it came out it was unlike anything anyone has ever played before. It was more spectacle than substance but goddamn in 1997 what a spectacle it was.

I disagree! :)

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2015/3610.html
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 27, 2016, 09:36:02 PM
I think invariably how you feel about FF: LR is guided in part by how you feel about the "SQENIX" FF13 style in general, which arguably started with 7 and found it's way through various other media and franchises, as far ranging as the Third Birthday, various aspects of Kingdom Hearts, and other PSP games and stuff like that. It's honestly even in TWEWY and stuff like that IMHO.

Yes 13-2 and 13-3 were different in their own respective ways, but I always got a distinct FF13/SQENIX feel from it all, personally, yes, different, more maybe RPG like for the hardcore RPG players, but falling from the same tree.

Anyway, think I already said as much, but something like that.

Similarly, I related something related to frankly, to be brutally honest, I don't really have any issue personally just sticking with FF3 (original 3) over and above just about literally everything that came since, that massive corpus of ubiquitous "SQENIX" brand style.

In retrospect, I'm not even sure FF7 was a good game, personally, let alone not a great one.

In some ways, in my opinion one of the worst offenders (FFX-2) is actually kind of more tolerable personasince it sort of admits that style full bore.

IMO FF7 is an all time great but you had to play it at the time when it was released because when it came out it was unlike anything anyone has ever played before. It was more spectacle than substance but goddamn in 1997 what a spectacle it was. Today FF9 is a much better game but at the time I played both I never got the holy @#$% feeling in FF9 than I did when I played FF7. Its funny when Legend of Dragoon was released it was derided as a blatant FF7 ripoff (it was but its a well made ripoff) but I bet if you give someone aged 16-21 a copy of LoD and a copy of FF7 they would like LoD more.

I also do like the fact that Squarenix mixes things up and gives you a different or tweaked battle system with every FF game. Granted sometimes you get a battle system that I don't particuarly like (FF8, FF12) but sometimes they nail it (FF10, FF13). Yes they could probably coast on the FF6 battle system like say DQ does but that would get old quick.



I did play it when it was released, there wasn't much like it in the FMV graphic FMV sense but in a charm and enjoyment sense even just a few entries down in the same series (9) hit those notes better for me really.

I think the theme of FF has been charm but FF7 was wildly aggressive and over the top, full of kind of daytime drama sort of stuff (Barret and Marlene, Tifa/Aeris/Cloud triangle, Aeris and like everyone (Planet, Shinra, etc), over the top mad scientists (Hojo, etc), Cid is now a cranky yelling mechanic guy)

It still had "charm" like the Gold Saucer or whatever, but even then it turns out you are all being monitored by a secret spy and etc etc.

The drama conga is repeated in the likes of 13 and such, even 10 (Tidus and Jecht, though unintentional, Lightning and everyone, Sazh and his kid, Vanille and Sazh (though they kind of mend ways), Fang and everyone more or less, Snow and everything, basically)

I would rather just play Threads of Fate or other classic Squaresoft where it's half the drama for 3x the enjoyment IMHO.

There's still charm in those other FFs, sure, there's goofy moments like riding a Dolphin up a city, I guess, but it was then, and is to me now, pretty much the weakest FF (though perhaps surpassed by 13)



Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on April 27, 2016, 11:15:13 PM
IMO FF7 is an all time great but you had to play it at the time when it was released because when it came out it was unlike anything anyone has ever played before. It was more spectacle than substance but goddamn in 1997 what a spectacle it was.

FF7 was pretty, but FF8 was the one that really floored me (talking about back in the PSX days).
Those summons were just incredible... like all of them were Bahamut Zero quality and that was like the best one in FF7.
ALL OF THEM! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjDW_1cdgwM)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 28, 2016, 12:28:26 AM
IMO FF7 is an all time great but you had to play it at the time when it was released because when it came out it was unlike anything anyone has ever played before. It was more spectacle than substance but goddamn in 1997 what a spectacle it was.

FF7 was pretty, but FF8 was the one that really floored me (talking about back in the PSX days).
Those summons were just incredible... like all of them were Bahamut Zero quality and that was like the best one in FF7.
ALL OF THEM! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjDW_1cdgwM)

I'd agree with that also, in terms of sheer spectacle and stuff FF8 was superior to 7, such as with the opening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoyEBlNafnQ

But I mean I just find FF9 superior to both at any rate.

Combined.



Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on April 28, 2016, 04:46:04 PM
I bet if you give someone aged 16-21 a copy of LoD and a copy of FF7 they would like LoD more.


I have always struggled to understand this tendency to put Legend of Dragoon above a classic like FFVII.  LoD is a beautiful game with some nice qualities, but also some serious amateurish design flaws.  It's grindy, repetitive, and the story is very "middle school".  There's more to the game than that, of course, but especially it's grindiness would definitely turn off a 16-21 year old.  In comparison, VII's gameplay is quick and snappy and the customization gives a bit more for the player to mess around and have fun with.  Not only that, but VII's world, visual style, and music were an absolute revelation, while LoD's were very 'safe' in comparison.  The game simply doesn't have much that can be clearly held above FFVII, unless you really like QTEs.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 29, 2016, 01:51:19 AM
I bet if you give someone aged 16-21 a copy of LoD and a copy of FF7 they would like LoD more.


I have always struggled to understand this tendency to put Legend of Dragoon above a classic like FFVII.  LoD is a beautiful game with some nice qualities, but also some serious amateurish design flaws.  It's grindy, repetitive, and the story is very "middle school".  There's more to the game than that, of course, but especially it's grindiness would definitely turn off a 16-21 year old.  In comparison, VII's gameplay is quick and snappy and the customization gives a bit more for the player to mess around and have fun with.  Not only that, but VII's world, visual style, and music were an absolute revelation, while LoD's were very 'safe' in comparison.  The game simply doesn't have much that can be clearly held above FFVII, unless you really like QTEs.

To be fair, LoD does have its moments (Rose taking over the back half of the game's plot along with the Dart/Lavitz/Albert bromance triangle and the whole Power Rangers Dragoon: The Previous Generation angle to name a few most of them), but I won't argue that it committed some serious fauxpas, especially in regards to your Inventory Limit and Miranda basically existing solely to replace what's-her-face.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Lian_Kazairl on April 29, 2016, 10:36:26 AM
I have always struggled to understand this tendency to put Legend of Dragoon above a classic like FFVII.  LoD is a beautiful game with some nice qualities, but also some serious amateurish design flaws.  It's grindy, repetitive, and the story is very "middle school".  There's more to the game than that, of course, but especially it's grindiness would definitely turn off a 16-21 year old.  In comparison, VII's gameplay is quick and snappy and the customization gives a bit more for the player to mess around and have fun with.  Not only that, but VII's world, visual style, and music were an absolute revelation, while LoD's were very 'safe' in comparison.  The game simply doesn't have much that can be clearly held above FFVII, unless you really like QTEs.

This is basically my opinion on the matter too. LoD's plot never really grabbed me, though I did really like Rose (she was a badass and the twist with her was pretty cool). Ultimately, I felt like the game was trying too hard to ape Final Fantasy, and it didn't really succeed at capturing what makes FF special. "Safe" is a very apt word to use to describe it, IMHO, because there's not a whole lot that really stands out about it in my mind. Only thing that's still with me after 17 years is this boss theme (https://youtu.be/bXJ_EuwO4sQ).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on April 29, 2016, 10:46:26 AM
Same here

The Legend of the Dragoon.

It took me a little over SEVEN YEARS to finish my game.

The game is such a slug to play through that I would always lose interest in it and wait several months before forcing myself to play some more of it.
I'm still glad I finished it instead of dropping it.

I do think that the game would be incredible if it had better pacing.
Also, everything about Rose is gold. The best parts of the story were about the dragoons of old.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Spoony Mage on April 29, 2016, 09:53:45 PM
At least LoD had some cool music...and some of the hammiest voice acting at that point in the PS1 era.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on April 30, 2016, 12:20:47 AM
Really nice Lightning bust (er, hips and higher) up for preorder
(http://img.amiami.jp/images/product/main/162//FIGURE-018952.jpg)
http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-018952&page=top

Definitely prefer this to the Play Arts series.  Hopefully they do more, and hopefully outside of the Nomura-based comfort zone (I was so happy when Dissidia's release meant a lot more merch from the other FF games).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 30, 2016, 03:02:42 AM
Really nice Lightning bust (er, hips and higher) up for preorder
(http://img.amiami.jp/images/product/main/162//FIGURE-018952.jpg)
http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-018952&page=top

Definitely prefer this to the Play Arts series.  Hopefully they do more, and hopefully outside of the Nomura-based comfort zone (I was so happy when Dissidia's release meant a lot more merch from the other FF games).

Lol sorry I just have to ask what is the "Nomura-based comfort zone?"
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on April 30, 2016, 09:50:50 AM
Really nice Lightning bust (er, hips and higher) up for preorder
(http://img.amiami.jp/images/product/main/162//FIGURE-018952.jpg)
http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-018952&page=top

Definitely prefer this to the Play Arts series.  Hopefully they do more, and hopefully outside of the Nomura-based comfort zone (I was so happy when Dissidia's release meant a lot more merch from the other FF games).

Lol sorry I just have to ask what is the "Nomura-based comfort zone?"

I think invariably how you feel about FF: LR is guided in part by how you feel about the "SQENIX" FF13 style in general, which arguably started with 7 and found it's way through various other media and franchises, as far ranging as the Third Birthday, various aspects of Kingdom Hearts, and other PSP games and stuff like that. It's honestly even in TWEWY and stuff like that IMHO.

Yes 13-2 and 13-3 were different in their own respective ways, but I always got a distinct FF13/SQENIX feel from it all, personally, yes, different, more maybe RPG like for the hardcore RPG players, but falling from the same tree.

Anyway, think I already said as much, but something like that.

Similarly, I related something related to frankly, to be brutally honest, I don't really have any issue personally just sticking with FF3 (original 3) over and above just about literally everything that came since, that massive corpus of ubiquitous "SQENIX" brand style.

In retrospect, I'm not even sure FF7 was a good game, personally, let alone not a great one.

In some ways, in my opinion one of the worst offenders (FFX-2) is actually kind of more tolerable personasince it sort of admits that style full bore.

I think you may have inadvertently answered your own question.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on April 30, 2016, 02:17:47 PM
Really nice Lightning bust (er, hips and higher) up for preorder
(http://img.amiami.jp/images/product/main/162//FIGURE-018952.jpg)
http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-018952&page=top

Definitely prefer this to the Play Arts series.  Hopefully they do more, and hopefully outside of the Nomura-based comfort zone (I was so happy when Dissidia's release meant a lot more merch from the other FF games).

I can't help but feel that they should have just added some legs and finished the figure...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on April 30, 2016, 08:34:31 PM
Really nice Lightning bust (er, hips and higher) up for preorder
(http://img.amiami.jp/images/product/main/162//FIGURE-018952.jpg)
http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-018952&page=top

Definitely prefer this to the Play Arts series.  Hopefully they do more, and hopefully outside of the Nomura-based comfort zone (I was so happy when Dissidia's release meant a lot more merch from the other FF games).

Lol sorry I just have to ask what is the "Nomura-based comfort zone?"

I think invariably how you feel about FF: LR is guided in part by how you feel about the "SQENIX" FF13 style in general, which arguably started with 7 and found it's way through various other media and franchises, as far ranging as the Third Birthday, various aspects of Kingdom Hearts, and other PSP games and stuff like that. It's honestly even in TWEWY and stuff like that IMHO.

Yes 13-2 and 13-3 were different in their own respective ways, but I always got a distinct FF13/SQENIX feel from it all, personally, yes, different, more maybe RPG like for the hardcore RPG players, but falling from the same tree.

Anyway, think I already said as much, but something like that.

Similarly, I related something related to frankly, to be brutally honest, I don't really have any issue personally just sticking with FF3 (original 3) over and above just about literally everything that came since, that massive corpus of ubiquitous "SQENIX" brand style.

In retrospect, I'm not even sure FF7 was a good game, personally, let alone not a great one.

In some ways, in my opinion one of the worst offenders (FFX-2) is actually kind of more tolerable personasince it sort of admits that style full bore.

I think you may have inadvertently answered your own question.

Oh, right, sorry, I apologize, that should of been obvious.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on April 30, 2016, 08:50:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vvw42jvxUs Rose's special attacks in Legend of Dragoon are truly "special."  The conclusion of Astral Drain (about :25 in) and the beginning of Demon's Gate (about 1:07 in) are the best.  

I also loved the commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sua_zPsomXs

As for my feelings about Legend of Dragoon... http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/The_Legend_of_Dragoon/index.html

Was it the FF killer it was hyped up to be?  No.  But it was a good game when taken on its own merits.  The finicky timing on attacks was a serious flaw, though.  On the other hand, Shadow Madness was a game that tried to be an FF killer, but failed miserably.  I'm not surprised, because when FF7 opened the floodgates, everyone wanted a piece of the action.  Kinda like how when Nirvana became the "it" band that killed hair-metal and ushered in grunge, slews of imitators came in because every record label wanted a piece of that pie.  

EDIT: I mention LoD in the endings thread: http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=16274.msg398805#msg398805
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 03, 2016, 09:14:15 PM
I can't help but feel that they should have just added some legs and finished the figure...

Don't tell me that you haven't seen these kinds of sculptures (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bust_(sculpture)) before... that would be somewhat strange.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on May 03, 2016, 10:37:53 PM
I think he was referring to the fact that those kinds of busts don't go all the way down to the figure's hips. And I also agree that even if it didn't go down so far, that style of figure as a bust just looks awkward.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 04, 2016, 12:38:05 AM
Is obvious that the design is like that in favor of the pose. Then again, when it comes to collectibles of this type everyone seems to dislike even the coolest statue for the wackest reason sometimes.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on May 04, 2016, 01:18:53 AM
I'm still trying to figure out if this Lightning is pre-op or post-op in her XIII-1 schema.

Not that I don't think the bust isn't impressive, but could they have included her bicycle shorts? It's just kinda weird that her jacket thingy is billowing out and there's nothing but crystal underneath.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on May 04, 2016, 10:11:32 AM
It's a silly design.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 04, 2016, 02:42:43 PM
It's a silly design.

I don't know man. One has to do some hardcore jumps in logic to find the design silly, specially looking for a second your avatar and be reminded of that really weird figure for the Amazon.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on May 06, 2016, 12:17:14 PM
Lightning just strikes me as being straight out of some kind of grimdark anime which is fine and all, but she just doesn't have the warmth of a Terra or Garnet or something to me, as the prickly FF fan I guess.

I mean the figurine is pretty polished and stuff like that, like, you know, sharp, but I think for me it just reminds me of the things I didn't enjoy as much out of FF13.



Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on May 06, 2016, 12:47:22 PM
Ahem, so that's how I see that.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on May 06, 2016, 12:52:26 PM
It's a silly design.

I don't know man. One has to do some hardcore jumps in logic to find the design silly, specially looking for a second your avatar and be reminded of that really weird figure for the Amazon.
Not sure how my head nestled between the sorceress's hugely oversized boobs has any merit here, but the design is silly because it's just silly. The flow of her outfit is nonsensical, especially given it's a bust instead of a full sized statue, the hair color is off, the way she's holding the sword is dumb and looks flashy over functional which is very not Lightning, and considering the pose itself what is the point of making it a bust anyway? It's a silly design, it feels incredibly unfinished and regardless of how much detail it was given, the details themselves seem flawed considering the character in question.

That's my opinion amyway.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 06, 2016, 01:29:39 PM
^Lightning has done that pose before. Everything else I respect it because is your opinion.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on May 06, 2016, 01:35:55 PM
^Lightning has done that pose before. Everything else I respect it because is your opinion.

(http://www.ffmages.com/ffxiii/images/wallpapers/ffxiii-lightning-wallpaper3-1600x1200.jpg)

I assume you mean this one? I don't like that pic either simply because it goes against Lightning's basic character of form over function. It's eye catching and flaunts some of her attributes but when would you ever have your sword raised over your head in a ready stance? It's asking to get skewered. It's a defensive stance and really only when your opponent has gone for an offensive overhead strike.

It's a technical line of shit, but it's how I feel.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on May 06, 2016, 01:39:34 PM
It's a technical line of shit, but it's how I feel.

You mean like how she has a weak grip on her sword while over-head?
(Don't do this at home kids anyone)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on May 06, 2016, 01:42:13 PM
It's a technical line of shit, but it's how I feel.

You mean like how she has a weak grip on her sword while over-head?
(Don't do this at home kids anyone)
Looking at it further...how the hell would she ever grip the trigger? It's in such a strange position and with such a wide gripping position...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on May 06, 2016, 02:22:07 PM
It's a technical line of shit, but it's how I feel.

You mean like how she has a weak grip on her sword while over-head?
(Don't do this at home kids anyone)
Looking at it further...how the hell would she ever grip the trigger? It's in such a strange position and with such a wide gripping position...

Well the whole thing folds up anyways because every FFXIII-1 weapon needed to fold up or out (excepting Snow's Jacket which has folds in it instead).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 06, 2016, 02:48:21 PM
@Agent D.: Yeah that's one. She also did it once or twice in XIII, as well as one time in Dissidia 012.

Honestly is more of an stance that comes and goes really quickly more than only a pose. And besides, Squall's Gunblade design and use is much more tricky to get to understand clearly instead of the one Lightning has since the entire design of the weapon is as flexible as her fighting style and it actually fire projectiles instead of only being able to strike your opponent with a melee attack.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on May 06, 2016, 08:22:42 PM
@Agent D.: Yeah that's one. She also did it once or twice in XIII, as well as one time in Dissidia 012.

Honestly is more of an stance that comes and goes really quickly more than only a pose. And besides, Squall's Gunblade design and use is much more tricky to get to understand clearly instead of the one Lightning has since the entire design of the weapon is as flexible as her fighting style and it actually fire projectiles instead of only being able to strike your opponent with a melee attack.

I'm still amazed that something like Squall's gunblade "took off".  I kinda thought it was a cheesy idea and I never really got how it's supposed to work (does it fire or just sort of...add extra 'umph' to hits??).  FF8 in general I'm kind of ambivalent on; for half of the good designs there's an equal part of ones that just didn't really work with me.... NORG being a big one of these. :P

I really gotta revisit that game though, and/or just finish my FF PSX-era game journals on it.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on May 06, 2016, 09:30:25 PM
FF8 and FF9 have similar moments in the beginning for me when attempting to replay, a part where I kind of just change my mind because the first really exciting bit is over and the next part is a slog.

For FF8 its the SeeD exam and for FF9 its the Alexandria escape.

Speaking of the SeeD exam, anyone else prefer the Demo version of The Landing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngkmdA0KvPM) to the final version?

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Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: IhaveFURY on May 06, 2016, 09:53:48 PM
@Agent D.: Yeah that's one. She also did it once or twice in XIII, as well as one time in Dissidia 012.

Honestly is more of an stance that comes and goes really quickly more than only a pose. And besides, Squall's Gunblade design and use is much more tricky to get to understand clearly instead of the one Lightning has since the entire design of the weapon is as flexible as her fighting style and it actually fire projectiles instead of only being able to strike your opponent with a melee attack.

I'm still amazed that something like Squall's gunblade "took off".  I kinda thought it was a cheesy idea and I never really got how it's supposed to work (does it fire or just sort of...add extra 'umph' to hits??).  FF8 in general I'm kind of ambivalent on; for half of the good designs there's an equal part of ones that just didn't really work with me.... NORG being a big one of these. :P

I really gotta revisit that game though, and/or just finish my FF PSX-era game journals on it.

I think Squall's gunblade just increases the power of his strings (although it uses cartridges so... figure that one out), I think his Dissidia combat style used this as well. From FF Wiki:

Quote
In Dissidia Final Fantasy, Squall Leonhart's use of the Revolver is refined beyond the normal slashes seen in Final Fantasy VIII, incorporating the use of the gunblade's recoil for a unique combat style. Using the Heel Crush and Rough Divide techniques, Squall triggers a round while holding the gunblade behind him, the recoil propelling him forward. Using the Solid Barrel and Beat Fang techniques, Squall thrusts the blade into the enemy, triggers a round (which also damages the enemy), and the recoil of the shot pushes the blade back, where Squall immediately thrusts again, repeating the process several more times. In Final Fantasy VIII Squall wields his gunblade two-handed, but in Dissidia Final Fantasy he often uses the weapon with one hand.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on May 07, 2016, 12:47:26 AM
@Agent D.: Yeah that's one. She also did it once or twice in XIII, as well as one time in Dissidia 012.

Honestly is more of an stance that comes and goes really quickly more than only a pose. And besides, Squall's Gunblade design and use is much more tricky to get to understand clearly instead of the one Lightning has since the entire design of the weapon is as flexible as her fighting style and it actually fire projectiles instead of only being able to strike your opponent with a melee attack.

I'm still amazed that something like Squall's gunblade "took off".  I kinda thought it was a cheesy idea and I never really got how it's supposed to work (does it fire or just sort of...add extra 'umph' to hits??).  FF8 in general I'm kind of ambivalent on; for half of the good designs there's an equal part of ones that just didn't really work with me.... NORG being a big one of these. :P

I really gotta revisit that game though, and/or just finish my FF PSX-era game journals on it.

I think Squall's gunblade just increases the power of his strings (although it uses cartridges so... figure that one out), I think his Dissidia combat style used this as well. From FF Wiki:

Quote
In Dissidia Final Fantasy, Squall Leonhart's use of the Revolver is refined beyond the normal slashes seen in Final Fantasy VIII, incorporating the use of the gunblade's recoil for a unique combat style. Using the Heel Crush and Rough Divide techniques, Squall triggers a round while holding the gunblade behind him, the recoil propelling him forward. Using the Solid Barrel and Beat Fang techniques, Squall thrusts the blade into the enemy, triggers a round (which also damages the enemy), and the recoil of the shot pushes the blade back, where Squall immediately thrusts again, repeating the process several more times. In Final Fantasy VIII Squall wields his gunblade two-handed, but in Dissidia Final Fantasy he often uses the weapon with one hand.

Sounds like Squall refined his Gunblade into a Shotgunblade.

Also, why aren't there any Shotgunblades? We have Gunblades, Transforminggunblades, Chainsawguns and Flamingchainsawswords. So what's next? Transformingchainsawlightsabersthatshootsmallerlightsabers?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on May 07, 2016, 01:05:39 AM
@Agent D.: Yeah that's one. She also did it once or twice in XIII, as well as one time in Dissidia 012.

Honestly is more of an stance that comes and goes really quickly more than only a pose. And besides, Squall's Gunblade design and use is much more tricky to get to understand clearly instead of the one Lightning has since the entire design of the weapon is as flexible as her fighting style and it actually fire projectiles instead of only being able to strike your opponent with a melee attack.

I'm still amazed that something like Squall's gunblade "took off".  I kinda thought it was a cheesy idea and I never really got how it's supposed to work (does it fire or just sort of...add extra 'umph' to hits??).  FF8 in general I'm kind of ambivalent on; for half of the good designs there's an equal part of ones that just didn't really work with me.... NORG being a big one of these. :P

I really gotta revisit that game though, and/or just finish my FF PSX-era game journals on it.

I think Squall's gunblade just increases the power of his strings (although it uses cartridges so... figure that one out), I think his Dissidia combat style used this as well. From FF Wiki:

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In Dissidia Final Fantasy, Squall Leonhart's use of the Revolver is refined beyond the normal slashes seen in Final Fantasy VIII, incorporating the use of the gunblade's recoil for a unique combat style. Using the Heel Crush and Rough Divide techniques, Squall triggers a round while holding the gunblade behind him, the recoil propelling him forward. Using the Solid Barrel and Beat Fang techniques, Squall thrusts the blade into the enemy, triggers a round (which also damages the enemy), and the recoil of the shot pushes the blade back, where Squall immediately thrusts again, repeating the process several more times. In Final Fantasy VIII Squall wields his gunblade two-handed, but in Dissidia Final Fantasy he often uses the weapon with one hand.

Sounds like Squall refined his Gunblade into a Shotgunblade.

Also, why aren't there any Shotgunblades? We have Gunblades, Transforminggunblades, Chainsawguns and Flamingchainsawswords. So what's next? Transformingchainsawlightsabersthatshootsmallerlightsabers?
Well, gun is a pretty generic term....plus shotgunblade was technically done in Parasite Eve 2.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rook on May 07, 2016, 05:24:54 AM
Lightning just strikes me as being straight out of some kind of grimdark anime which is fine and all, but she just doesn't have the warmth of a Terra or Garnet or something to me, as the prickly FF fan I guess.

I mean the figurine is pretty polished and stuff like that, like, you know, sharp, but I think for me it just reminds me of the things I didn't enjoy as much out of FF13.


They paired up Lightning with Hope and Snow. The Snow-Lightning scenes didn't work because she yells and it goes into Snow's ear and out the other and neither experience any character growth. The Lightning-Hope scenes were a bit better. Hope gets some courage/confidence, and Lightning gains a bit of sensitivity playing the big sis/mom/protector role for Hope.

They needed to pair up Lightning with Fang more. I loved the Fang-Lightning scenes because Fang was the only character who would stand up to Lightning and call her out on her BS. Plus they had good chemistry together. By pairing each other up for a couple more missions Lightning's character could have experienced a bit more organic and realistic character growth by learning that yes you can walk and talk like a badass without being an ---hole to your companions who are trying to help you.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on May 07, 2016, 07:54:20 AM
My favorite scene from FFXIII is still when Hope mumbles, "mom?!" in his sleep and Lightning quietly sighs, "Not by a longshot, kid." 
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on May 07, 2016, 11:23:17 AM
It's not really related to FF13 but this was one of my favorite FF scenes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA5NpAm2XzE

Edit: It's Zidane and the "Not Alone" sequence from FF9.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on May 07, 2016, 01:55:21 PM
Lightning just strikes me as being straight out of some kind of grimdark anime which is fine and all, but she just doesn't have the warmth of a Terra or Garnet or something to me, as the prickly FF fan I guess.

I mean the figurine is pretty polished and stuff like that, like, you know, sharp, but I think for me it just reminds me of the things I didn't enjoy as much out of FF13.


They paired up Lightning with Hope and Snow. The Snow-Lightning scenes didn't work because she yells and it goes into Snow's ear and out the other and neither experience any character growth. The Lightning-Hope scenes were a bit better. Hope gets some courage/confidence, and Lightning gains a bit of sensitivity playing the big sis/mom/protector role for Hope.

They needed to pair up Lightning with Fang more. I loved the Fang-Lightning scenes because Fang was the only character who would stand up to Lightning and call her out on her BS. Plus they had good chemistry together. By pairing each other up for a couple more missions Lightning's character could have experienced a bit more organic and realistic character growth by learning that yes you can walk and talk like a badass without being an ---hole to your companions who are trying to help you.

It really doesn't help that Chapter 9 basically resets all of the character development as the party goes back to their desire to stick it to the government when storming the flying fortress. Snow still thinks of himself as a 'Hero' in spite of his bonding timeout with Hope, Lightning's 'maybe I got a bit too spiteful/pessimistic' revelation got rolled back under her 'to battle!' attitude and Hope just got sidelined altogether since he no longer wants to stab Snow and the devs have no idea what to do with him past that. Sazh's only time in the limelight was when he got angry at Vanille, and Fang and Vanille kinda hijack the rest of the game's allotted character development time.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 07, 2016, 02:53:51 PM
It's not really related to FF13 but this was one of my favorite FF scenes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA5NpAm2XzE

Edit: It's Zidane and the "Not Alone" sequence from FF9.

IX is full to brim with nice moments as well as dialog and people always focus on this single scene.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on May 07, 2016, 03:02:28 PM
It's not really related to FF13 but this was one of my favorite FF scenes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA5NpAm2XzE

Edit: It's Zidane and the "Not Alone" sequence from FF9.

IX is full to brim with nice moments as well as dialog and people always focus on this single scene.

Well I'm also fond of the Assault of Silver Dragons, or the fencing duel in the beginning actually just the whole Theater Ship and everything in the beginning practically, Garnet and Zidane in Oeilvert, the battle with Bahamut for Alexandria, and such =-)

Hmm Silver Dragons sounds good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MqtmQ7EvUU

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on May 08, 2016, 11:56:16 AM
Perhaps the lead up to the final boss to NES FF3? Anyone?

So creepy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amADFBsFamw
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on May 08, 2016, 03:41:17 PM
If we're talking about favorite FF Moments, as a fan of kitschy drama I found FF13 to have some of my favorite cutscenes in the series, and nothing holds a candle to that scene between Sazh and Vanille before his Eidolon awakens.

"What do you want from me!? If I can't live or die... then what do you want me to do?"

Such delicious camp.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rook on May 09, 2016, 01:18:28 AM
If we're talking about favorite FF Moments, as a fan of kitschy drama I found FF13 to have some of my favorite cutscenes in the series, and nothing holds a candle to that scene between Sazh and Vanille before his Eidolon awakens.

"What do you want from me!? If I can't live or die... then what do you want me to do?"

Such delicious camp.

For the longest time I thought Vanille's focus was to c---tease Sazh into madness.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on May 09, 2016, 04:51:00 AM
My favorite FF moments are FFIII's Flooded World,
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Cecil's Job Change, Galuf's last stand, FFVI's Floating Continent sequence (mostly), the Cosmo Canyon's and City of the Ancients' sequences (I'm talking about the entire City of the Ancients sequence, and mostly the part where you're running into the ruins and the part where you're fighting JENOVA Life; the parts centering around Aerith are only included to give context to the other parts as these are rather heavy handed for my taste), the Burmecia and "You're Not Alone" sequences (though its been 16 years since I last played this game) and hitting Chapter 4 in FFT.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 09, 2016, 03:02:57 PM
For the longest time I thought Vanille's focus was to c---tease Sazh into madness.

If it wasn't for my second and third playthrough, I would have gotten the entirety of XIII backwards like more than one JRPG fan was comfortable to just leave it at that because it wasn't Persona 4. Which for me was a mechanically updated sequel with almost everything else being underwhelming as hell in comparison to everything that got right the previous entry in the series.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on May 09, 2016, 03:21:41 PM
If we're talking about favorite FF Moments, as a fan of kitschy drama I found FF13 to have some of my favorite cutscenes in the series, and nothing holds a candle to that scene between Sazh and Vanille before his Eidolon awakens.

"What do you want from me!? If I can't live or die... then what do you want me to do?"

Such delicious camp.

I must be a fan of kitschy drama too, then, because that was my favorite scene in the game as well.  I teared up a little when Vanille said "It's not over..." in a weepy voice.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on May 09, 2016, 10:39:42 PM
My favorite FF moments are FFIII's Flooded World,
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Cecil's Job Change, Galuf's last stand, FFVI's Floating Continent sequence (mostly), the Cosmo Canyon's and City of the Ancients' sequences (I'm talking about the entire City of the Ancients sequence, and mostly the part where you're running into the ruins and the part where you're fighting JENOVA Life; the parts centering around Aerith are only included to give context to the other parts as these are rather heavy handed for my taste), the Burmecia and "You're Not Alone" sequences (though its been 16 years since I last played this game) and hitting Chapter 4 in FFT.
Damn some good moments here

Some of mine:

IV: The moon (as a child of like 4 years old, I thought the name Fusoya and a man with a giant beard hilarious...and fat Choco... and dwarves!).

VI: Goddamn, a lot, this was my childhood nostalgia RPG.  I always thought Sabin's scenario en route (and some zig-zagging) to Narshe a bizarre and fun odyssey.
VII:  Midgar, Ancients... Lots of good "moments" in this game, but Disc 1 was freaking great.

IX: The opening, and literally and any "down time".

EDIT:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=203046607&postcount=1
FFX/X-2 to Steam.  With MORE improvements (though I doubt the NPCs will be less uggo).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 12, 2016, 12:32:42 AM
Mobius Final Fantasy Final Fantasy XII Collaboration Event (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orvHPpkE3lA) -- Square Enix, YouTube

XII has it 10th anniversary this year ya'll.

With X/X-2 dropping on Steam and the previous event in Mobius with VII happening pretty much to give attention to the remake, this event is hopefully a sign for the remastered edition of XII becoming a reality.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on May 12, 2016, 08:07:17 AM
favorite FF moment: FINALLY figuring out (in the days before readily available internet FAQS) that you can just cast Life 3 in order to survive the Magic Master's garbage Ultima spell at the top of the Tower of Fanatics.  12 year old me had already beaten FF6 once or twice before I even discovered the whole Rachel/Locke subplot and thus the Phoenix Cave, and thus the Phoenix magicite and thus that Life 3 (at 1x...) was even a thing.

edit: I don't think I even knew what the internet WAS in 1996.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on May 12, 2016, 11:07:48 AM
Best ff moment was beating wiegraf 1v1 at Riovanes Castle. Finally figuring out the perfect, foolproof method that GUARANTEED me the win each time...I felt accomplished.

(Just in case you all were wondering, I went with auto potion/x pots only, monk main guts sub, two swords, and move +2. Repeatedly yell to get speed up for 4 turns to his 1, accumulate til 999 damage, 1 shot him AND Belius)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on May 12, 2016, 11:28:37 AM
Best ff moment was beating wiegraf 1v1 at Riovanes Castle. Finally figuring out the perfect, foolproof method that GUARANTEED me the win each time...I felt accomplished.

(Just in case you all were wondering, I went with auto potion/x pots only, monk main guts sub, two swords, and move +2. Repeatedly yell to get speed up for 4 turns to his 1, accumulate til 999 damage, 1 shot him AND Belius)

You could probably just stop at "auto potion + x-potions only" part, unless the rest of your team is completely useless.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on May 12, 2016, 12:07:12 PM
Best ff moment was beating wiegraf 1v1 at Riovanes Castle. Finally figuring out the perfect, foolproof method that GUARANTEED me the win each time...I felt accomplished.

(Just in case you all were wondering, I went with auto potion/x pots only, monk main guts sub, two swords, and move +2. Repeatedly yell to get speed up for 4 turns to his 1, accumulate til 999 damage, 1 shot him AND Belius)

You could probably just stop at "auto potion + x-potions only" part, unless the rest of your team is completely useless.
Nah, I 1 manned it.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on May 12, 2016, 03:03:58 PM
Best ff moment was beating wiegraf 1v1 at Riovanes Castle. Finally figuring out the perfect, foolproof method that GUARANTEED me the win each time...I felt accomplished.

(Just in case you all were wondering, I went with auto potion/x pots only, monk main guts sub, two swords, and move +2. Repeatedly yell to get speed up for 4 turns to his 1, accumulate til 999 damage, 1 shot him AND Belius)

You could probably just stop at "auto potion + x-potions only" part, unless the rest of your team is completely useless.
Nah, I 1 manned it.

I always feel good about my solution to the Wiegraf/Velius battle since I'm possibly the only person who didn't go running to Auto Potion/Accumulate when I first hit that roadblock. I reclassed Ramza into a Wizard, had him learn Flare, stick on every piece of MA increasing item I could find, and slapped on Move +1 (which paired with the Red Shoes, enabled Ramza to outmaneuver Wiegraf). It was also the battle that I learned about the power of Oracles and their Life Drain spell.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on May 12, 2016, 03:06:08 PM
I dealt with Wiegraf-san by just hoping my Knight class Ramza would get a block and counter plus at least one other good hit (at least he hit hard). That solved the first part and then the final boss was just a scrum I ended up barely scraping by, but I didn't actually modify my team at all, aside from giving Ramza the counter skill and basic things like that.

I believe I was using Agrias, a WHM, a BLM, and a lancer... or was it 1 one less? I know you only normally got like 4 or 5 for story battles.. it's been awhile.

But yeah I didn't actually modify anything really I just made like 10 attempts or something and eventually RNG and such worked out well enough.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on May 12, 2016, 08:01:27 PM
I dealt with Wiegraf-san by just hoping my Knight class Ramza would get a block and counter plus at least one other good hit (at least he hit hard). That solved the first part and then the final boss was just a scrum I ended up barely scraping by, but I didn't actually modify my team at all, aside from giving Ramza the counter skill and basic things like that.

I believe I was using Agrias, a WHM, a BLM, and a lancer... or was it 1 one less? I know you only normally got like 4 or 5 for story battles.. it's been awhile.

But yeah I didn't actually modify anything really I just made like 10 attempts or something and eventually RNG and such worked out well enough.
Unless you had a guest, you always got ramza and 4 units. Wiegraf fight was 5.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Voxmeister on May 12, 2016, 08:50:38 PM
My favorite FF moments include:

Leaving Midgar in FF7. I hadn't even contemplated that there was a world outside and was completely mindblown. 

Converting to the Ultimecia-Rinoah theory (against my will mind you, it's just that strong).

Cried like a bitch during 9s ending.

...and FF6 in general (the intro, Ultros, Forever Rachel, Zozo, discovering vanish-doom).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on May 13, 2016, 10:51:08 AM
Converting to the Ultimecia-Rinoah theory (against my will mind you, it's just that strong).

It's really not.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on May 13, 2016, 06:44:03 PM
Since we're talking favorite FF moments in general, I'll go game by game of the ones I've played.  

FF4- "You spoony bard!"

FF5- When Bartz and Galuf inadvertently find out that Faris is actually a she when they go into her bedroom and come out all red faced.

FF6- The opera scene, especially the latter portion of it.

FF7- Midgar was my favorite part of the whole game, but my favorite part in Midgar was Wall Market.  The whole plotline there plays out in several different ways depending on what you do, and all versions are terrific.  Oh, and when you date Aeris at Golden Saucer, I picked all the wrong answers for the play and she smacked me.  That was funny.  

FF8- I've talked extensively about all my favorite moments in that game, which are the quieter moments that really made the game and why it's my favorite FF.  Simple things like Squall's and Rinoa's awkward mannerisms during their little rendezvous at Fisherman's Horizon, the various scenes that occur in Zell's bedroom depending on who you have in your party, the Zell-library girl sidequest (so cute!), most any Zell-Rinoa interaction (like the ring thing), and my personal favorite- the tense conversation when Rinoa mentions that she used to date Seifer.  

FF9- This is tough because the interplay between characters was wonderful all around.  But probably when Zidane goes into an armor shop and comments "What a cheesy suit of armor.  Who would buy this crap?"  Then later on in an ATE, Steiner goes into that same shop and comments on what a fine suit of armor it is.  

FFX- I liked all those Tidus and Yuna moments where Yuna could briefly forget about her pilgrimage and just be a teenage girl.  Yuna held the weight of savior of the world on her shoulders and her guardians were all adults, so she never really had a chance to just simply be a teenage girl, but with Tidus being her age, she could take those all-too-brief and precious moments to just be a giggly teenage girl goofing around with a boy- like in the laughing scene.  And as much as the guardians may have facepalmed at their silliness, I think they were happy that Yuna could have those preciously fleeting regular-girl moments within her heavy destiny.  Heck, in the lake scene, Kimahri smiled upon seeing Yuna and Tidus playing together because with Yuna being a lamb to the slaughter, it's sad that her burden may prevent her from experiencing meaningful "regular person" stuff like falling in love for the first time and having her first boyfriend.

FFXII- Vaan going around saying "I'm captain Basch!  Don't listen to Ondore's lies!"  

FFXIII- As mentioned before... Hope: "Mom?!?!"  Lightning: "Not by a longshot, kid."  
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on May 13, 2016, 07:11:49 PM
I never got why the spoony bard thing is so popular.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dincrest on May 13, 2016, 07:51:29 PM
It's popular for its outright silliness and as an example of bad translations back in the day.  I think the Persona equivalent of this is "Mark danced crazy."
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on May 13, 2016, 08:34:36 PM
Mobius Final Fantasy Final Fantasy XII Collaboration Event (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orvHPpkE3lA) -- Square Enix, YouTube

XII has it 10th anniversary this year ya'll.

With X/X-2 dropping on Steam and the previous event in Mobius with VII happening pretty much to give attention to the remake, this event is hopefully a sign for the remastered edition of XII becoming a reality.

I should probably start replaying that soon to increase the chances of getting a remaster. That's what happened with FFX, anyway.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on May 16, 2016, 01:23:53 AM
This FF Exvius thing honestly looked kind of interesting to me....

http://toucharcade.com/2016/05/12/final-fantasy-brave-exvius-soft-launch/

Edit: Also I basically agree with everyone else's favorite moments for the most part I can't really disagree...

I guess though thinking about it some more some moments I just thought were great just because not really that they were designed as a highpoint... like I really liked Daguerro and the whole library shindig in FF9 as far as secrets go. I thought the tiny ruin in the middle of the ocean in FF8 with nothing but Bahamut was SUPER creepy and effective in that sense... umm...

You know 12 had some cool ones too I think some of the ones I liked were Gabranth's kind of redemption towards the end of the game, and well just everything involving Gabranth he had quite a presence... even though he was ya know fighting for the emperor and all that blergh. Anyway it's all at 5:20 in this vid, helped along by Sakimoto's amazing score.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2iJ3kYyqWw

I think when Basch is like "Let this end, Noah" it just is like BAM. Artimicia Feels everywhere.

Another one was when Ashe has the flashback to her and Rasler talking...

Balthier's revelations about his personal past...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVSykUdiMBc

Pfft I am in the FF12 could of been so much better kind of camp and all that.

I can't believe I forgot the floating continent... also by the way among bazillions of Nobuo songs I think the Atma Weapon Battle theme is one of the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Lr7nRjvEk

So just freaking zazzy and goofy but it's all so epic and dramatic at the same time.

While we're on the topic of FF6 though Cyan and just everything involving Cyan was pretty sad... um... Locke's mog segment was pretty fun dressing up as merchant/soldier and all that and of course rescuing Celes!(tm)

FF4 had a lot of those moments Tellah and just every moment involving Tellah and lots of other things. I think Edward's moment by the lake in that one town was pretty moving as well...

I feel like I'd be remiss without mentioning some other classic FFs from some of the favorite FFs hm well I'd have to say FF14 in the 1-50 just the entire Praetorium sequence was incredible although unfortunately not much of a challenge since I was going with people who had the whole thing down. Also a fan of the OST as people are aware of by now with FF14...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx3QPiTcXa4

And, er, possibly others eh?







Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on May 16, 2016, 03:06:18 PM
I'm on the "Exvius looks cool" train.  Doesn't mean it will BE cool, but it LOOKS cool.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Jimmy on May 16, 2016, 03:55:42 PM
I'm on the "Exvius looks cool" train.  Doesn't mean it will BE cool, but it LOOKS cool.

I'm of the same opinion. I could actually see myself playing this.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on May 26, 2016, 07:10:13 AM
so this is appearing in ff14
(https://squareportal.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/ffxiv_artwork_pub_pach3_1464195044-3_12_26-05-2016.png)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on May 26, 2016, 08:42:29 AM
Ozma?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on May 26, 2016, 08:46:07 AM
Probably. FFXIV is just weaponized nostalgia for FF fans at this point.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on May 26, 2016, 08:52:30 AM
I'm on the "Exvius looks cool" train.  Doesn't mean it will BE cool, but it LOOKS cool.

I'm of the same opinion. I could actually see myself playing this.

I love the main cast.  They look like a parody of a bunch of FF MC designs:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/modojo-www/assets/article/2016/05/09/chara_bg_feature.jpg)

(Loving that "HD Ozma" too)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on May 26, 2016, 08:56:45 AM
They look like modern FF characters cosplaying as pre-FF7 characters.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on May 26, 2016, 11:06:27 AM
They actuallt look like FF designs from across the ages. Golbez to Seymour to Type-0 to Squall...all smooshed into angsty teenagers.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on May 26, 2016, 11:47:47 AM
You guys just analyzed the crap out of those designs and nailed it.

And yet I still like it, for some reason.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on May 26, 2016, 12:00:49 PM
They actuallt look like FF designs from across the ages. Golbez to Seymour to Type-0 to Squall...all smooshed into angsty teenagers.

Not to mention that you basically have FF2's protagonists (except that Gus is now the Black Knight instead of Leon). I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the 'Maria' is a sister to one of these dudes. Also loling at not-Firionel's Glowy Monado-esque Gunblade and not-Leon's Glowy not-Gunblade counterpart.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on May 27, 2016, 04:35:05 AM
ozma looks amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RMaN8U3ots

@2:03

also
https://giant.gfycat.com/DrearyBareAustrianpinscher.webm
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ScottC on May 27, 2016, 02:51:18 PM
Yeah that trailer looks dope.  And that ozma fight looks freaky as hell.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on May 28, 2016, 01:44:43 PM
I'm on the "Exvius looks cool" train.  Doesn't mean it will BE cool, but it LOOKS cool.

I'm of the same opinion. I could actually see myself playing this.

I love the main cast.  They look like a parody of a bunch of FF MC designs:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/modojo-www/assets/article/2016/05/09/chara_bg_feature.jpg)

(Loving that "HD Ozma" too)

Yeah I think that's why I picked up on it... just something about the designs themselves jumped out at me. I think some of the other concept art was straight Yoshida and stuff.

It's too bad I end up reading about it accidentally on like toucharcade though and stuff, the major sites haven't really been picking up on it.

Ahem well and here =-P
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on June 06, 2016, 11:39:07 PM
https://youtu.be/N4Gz7BislTw

World of Final Fantasy has an English Trailer!

SO CUTE!!  I mean, it looks pretty goofy, but there's still a lot of fun to be had in serious dialogue spoken by adorable SD characters.  I don't get how the two different models fit in (the normal vs SD ones)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on June 06, 2016, 11:59:18 PM
Looks pretty good, and I'm happy it's a full game since the gameplay looks like it could easily have been a F2P mobile game.

Quick side question: What does SD stand for? I also see people use the initials when discussing the sprites in Flower Knight Girl but never understood what it was supposed to mean.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on June 07, 2016, 12:02:29 AM
Looks pretty good, and I'm happy it's a full game since the gameplay looks like it could easily have been a F2P mobile game.

Quick side question: What does SD stand for? I also see people use the initials when discussing the sprites in Flower Knight Girl but never understood what it was supposed to mean.

Super deformed. :P

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/toonami/images/f/f0/Sdg.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130325015546)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on June 07, 2016, 01:32:31 AM
https://youtu.be/N4Gz7BislTw

World of Final Fantasy has an English Trailer!

SO CUTE!!  I mean, it looks pretty goofy, but there's still a lot of fun to be had in serious dialogue spoken by adorable SD characters.  I don't get how the two different models fit in (the normal vs SD ones)

From what I recall from the announcement trailer, Normal are for when you actually want to do something with the characters while SD is for when you want to use monsters.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on June 08, 2016, 05:48:12 AM
this recently added song is amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVxUE_6z984
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on July 07, 2016, 11:59:52 AM
I just noticed that FF Brave Exvius has XVI in the title.

COINCIDENCE!?!?

Probably not entirely.

Anyway, game is pretty decent for a standard F2P character collector game. Then again I said the same thing about KH UX and got bored of that within a week, so we'll see.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Jimmy on July 07, 2016, 12:36:10 PM
I've been enjoying Brave Exvius as well. I really like how the story, graphics, and battles really recall FF 1-6 a lot.

As far as the character collection goes, well, I just got Kain. I think I'm good.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on July 07, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
Hopefully what's going to keep this game fresher than KH:UX for me is the HUUUGE amount of abilities the game offers for an incredibly diverse range of battle strategies.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on July 07, 2016, 01:51:44 PM
Brave Exvius you say???
I say SABIN AND EDGAR GET!!!

Yes I play too. I also got Vivi 4* and Rydia and Celes...but Sabin and Edgar ftw.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on July 07, 2016, 01:58:33 PM
Only 4*s I have atm are Penelo and Luna.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on July 07, 2016, 02:25:42 PM
I too am playing XVI (heh) and... haven't done much.  Love it, in concept, though.  Dungeons, towns, music.  Excellent.  And the banter between Rain and Lasswell is actually... like.... pretty good.  About 30 minutes of XVI will see more personality from the leads than you get in the first several hours of Vaan.

Kinda wish they'd make a game like this that isn't F2P.  Oh wait, they did, and it's called Dimensions and I bought it and still haven't played it. *sigh*
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on July 25, 2016, 09:22:09 AM
http://gematsu.com/2016/07/dissidia-final-fantasy-arcade-adds-kain-highwind

And there's Kain Jumping into the Dissidia Arcade fray. But on which side?

(Got close with that one, wrong rival though...)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on August 12, 2016, 12:21:34 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKwi2DiU88fMDVC/giphy.gif)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYOte1UOIJ0L5Ju/giphy.gif)

(https://giant.gfycat.com/ChubbyTalkativeBrahmanbull.gif)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cpk-xSvUAAQveoO.jpg)

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/vV81KcJ9Eu15m/200_s.gif)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on August 12, 2016, 10:53:10 AM
http://gematsu.com/2016/08/dissidia-final-fantasy-arcade-adds-2nd-forms-porta-decumana-stage-final-fantasy-xiv-august-18

A link to more alts.

Terra's shoulder pads look weird as fuck.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Spoony Mage on August 12, 2016, 11:14:13 AM
Lookin' good, Vaan.  Putting a proper shirt on makes quite a diffeence.  Definitely better than his "cosplaying as Disney's Aladdin" look.

(http://gematsu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/DFF-2nd-Forms_08-11-16_016.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: IhaveFURY on August 12, 2016, 12:42:44 PM
Oh, Squall, you sexy sonuva...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on August 12, 2016, 01:02:06 PM
Wait... what was Tidus' ORIGINAL outfit if that's his alt?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on August 12, 2016, 01:33:52 PM
Can we get that Vaan outfit in FFXII HD?
Would make the game much better already.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on August 12, 2016, 02:47:59 PM
At least Ramza's alt makes him look far less lady like.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: ScottC on August 12, 2016, 03:10:30 PM
Ramza needs a butt armor skin.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on August 12, 2016, 04:43:29 PM
Ramza needs a butt armor skin.
Ramza needs a Delita or Zalbag (or Orlandu) skin.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on August 12, 2016, 05:11:22 PM
Sweet! Kain get his "Holy Dragoon" and Bartz looks amazing as a Freelancer!

And Ramza.... just still looks so.... so beautiful.......
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on August 12, 2016, 07:09:42 PM
Sweet! Kain get his "Holy Dragoon" and Bartz looks amazing as a Freelancer!

And Ramza.... just still looks so.... so beautiful.......

Starts scribbling Bartz/Arvis yaoi
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on August 12, 2016, 09:12:25 PM
Sweet! Kain get his "Holy Dragoon" and Bartz looks amazing as a Freelancer!

And Ramza.... just still looks so.... so beautiful.......

Starts scribbling Bartz/Arvis yaoi

But they're not even from the same game....


Ramza needs a butt armor skin.
Ramza needs a Delita or Zalbag (or Orlandu) skin.

I'd rather have an Agrias skin (or Agrias alt).

That or a Chaos side rival/antagonist.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Spoony Mage on August 13, 2016, 02:10:38 AM
Sweet! Kain get his "Holy Dragoon" and Bartz looks amazing as a Freelancer!

And Ramza.... just still looks so.... so beautiful.......

Starts scribbling Bartz/Arvis yaoi

But they're not even from the same game....

As if *that's* ever stopped anyone.  :p

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I'd rather have an Agrias skin (or Agrias alt).

That or a Chaos side rival/antagonist.

Agrias would be awesome in this game.  Honestly, I'd like to see Gafgarion as her Chaos side opposite number.  This needs to happen!

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on August 13, 2016, 08:08:20 PM
https://youtu.be/N4Gz7BislTw

World of Final Fantasy has an English Trailer!

SO CUTE!!  I mean, it looks pretty goofy, but there's still a lot of fun to be had in serious dialogue spoken by adorable SD characters.  I don't get how the two different models fit in (the normal vs SD ones)
The excessive cuteness if the trailer gave me a toothache.  I am not sure if I am looking forward to it or not.  The SD characters are both adorable and a turn off.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rook on August 14, 2016, 11:52:35 PM
I wonder if they are going to push this game back to 2017 w/ 15 coming out in Nov.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on August 15, 2016, 06:29:16 AM
I don't really see the difference between WoFF coming out a month before or a month after FFXV
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on August 19, 2016, 11:30:08 PM
I was looking at some of the more recent Dissidia images when I noticed something.  In the image depicting Terra Branford from FF VI, she is depicted with green hair.  She's supposed to be a blonde.  When did they change this?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on August 19, 2016, 11:32:45 PM
Might be looking at her "Classic" costume which is a very literal interpretation of her FFVI sprite.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on August 20, 2016, 10:18:45 AM
I was looking at some of the more recent Dissidia images when I noticed something.  In the image depicting Terra Branford from FF VI, she is depicted with green hair.  She's supposed to be a blonde.  When did they change this?

They recently released new skins for almost everybody. Kain gets his TAY Holy Dragoon on, WoL gets his Fighter appearance, OK gets his boxart duds, Bartz gets reclassed into his Freelancer sprite, Ramza gets his Mercenary duds, Squall gets his SeeD dress uniform, Terra gets her football shoulder pads and green hair, and so on....

http://gematsu.com/2016/08/dissidia-final-fantasy-arcade-adds-2nd-forms-porta-decumana-stage-final-fantasy-xiv-august-18 - for more information.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on August 20, 2016, 10:50:24 AM
I was looking at some of the more recent Dissidia images when I noticed something.  In the image depicting Terra Branford from FF VI, she is depicted with green hair.  She's supposed to be a blonde.  When did they change this?

Her standard in-game appearance is the blonde version:
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/2/2b/DFF2015_Magic_Warrior_A.png/revision/latest?cb=20160811181219)

A lot of her chibi appearances (Theatrhythm, World of FF) switch her back to green to match the sprite (and, my theory, to add some hair colour to the cast because from Bartz on you get Brunette, Blonde, Blonde, Brunette, Blonde, Blonde, Blonde, and Blonde, and c-c-combo breaker Lightning has Pink hair).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on August 22, 2016, 03:49:30 AM
Start scribbling Blonde Terra-Leanne yuri


Sorry! Yeah this is why real jobs and me don't get along... super well.

Actually all this aside, I do have an actual contribution which is that I checked out the FF Brotherhood series... yeah that was pretty fun, nice and short too, but honestly pretty entertaining.

I don't know why but I loved the whole diner hamburger scene, it was like FF meets road to perdition or something lol.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on August 22, 2016, 11:10:27 AM
Ron Swanson is ready if we get into another ridiculous discussion about Lightning's hair color.  :P
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on September 17, 2016, 06:47:56 PM
latest ff14 patch trailer
Ark from ff9 makes a guest appearance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPfQb549Eo
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 23, 2016, 07:44:18 PM
Getting back to Dissidia a bit....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtfWcqEZY1Y
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on October 14, 2016, 03:10:08 PM
badass teaser trailer for ff14 expansion stormblood :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAobb8_SzHY
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on October 20, 2016, 01:48:14 AM
Stormblood looks pretty good.

Ok so I can't even keep track of how many opinions I've stated on FF so I won't even try to be consistent. Basically, I just decided FF8 is my favorite, it's the one I enjoyed the most. FF9 is the most underrated, or rather, was the most underrated until recently.

I'm sure FF5 and perhaps some of the other early FFs are underrated as well. I think FF12 and 13 are mostly properly rated, although 12 is slightly underrated.

In terms of just sheer enjoyment... FF8.... definitely FF8... I was thinking about that one more recently, so many different things they did with that game, hm, yeah, just saying.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on October 20, 2016, 01:55:42 AM
I also enjoyed this YT comment from Xenodragoon on an FF8 song vid, making light of Squall's personality

Rinoa: I love you Squall!
Squall: Whatever
Laguna: Squall, I am your father.
Squall: ...Whatever
Ultimecia: Behold, insects, the power of time kompression!
Squall: Whatever
Cid: Squall, Galbadia is invading!
Squall: Whatever
Gets put in charge of balamb gardens during invasion
Squall: Protect the hot dogs.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on October 20, 2016, 02:14:02 AM
Start scribbling Blonde Terra-Leanne yuri


Sorry! Yeah this is why real jobs and me don't get along... super well.

Actually all this aside, I do have an actual contribution which is that I checked out the FF Brotherhood series... yeah that was pretty fun, nice and short too, but honestly pretty entertaining.

I don't know why but I loved the whole diner hamburger scene, it was like FF meets road to perdition or something lol.



Yeah, I know of at least one person who thought it was a good idea to draw porn in a normal office setting. While he is not me, I like to think he's the me I could've been. The me that drew tits on a fox at work and said "yes, this is totally a good thing! I want to continue doing this for the rest of my life!"
Needless to say, I regret ever speaking to this person...because he's been far more (monetarily) successful than I ever could be! Goddamn my moral compass!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on October 20, 2016, 03:27:51 AM
Start scribbling Blonde Terra-Leanne yuri


Sorry! Yeah this is why real jobs and me don't get along... super well.

Actually all this aside, I do have an actual contribution which is that I checked out the FF Brotherhood series... yeah that was pretty fun, nice and short too, but honestly pretty entertaining.

I don't know why but I loved the whole diner hamburger scene, it was like FF meets road to perdition or something lol.



Yeah, I know of at least one person who thought it was a good idea to draw porn in a normal office setting. While he is not me, I like to think he's the me I could've been. The me that drew tits on a fox at work and said "yes, this is totally a good thing! I want to continue doing this for the rest of my life!"
Needless to say, I regret ever speaking to this person...because he's been far more (monetarily) successful than I ever could be! Goddamn my moral compass!

I kind of think it's all how you present it on some level. Like I don't know how Nintendo has this family friendly image all the time when they once we're making like love hotels as part of their business model... plus there's the Bayonetta 2 release where they had a porn actress come (who was quite the gamer)

Eh the real job thing is more like... like I just will always prioritize kind of the "substance" over the "surface" slightly, so these overly strict environments (time sheet, hours x to y) are just kind of a nightmare because lots of people just work those systems by being lazy and make it seem like they're doing stuff whereas I just feel like it's dead time, anyway, something like that.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on October 20, 2016, 08:56:05 AM
tits on a fox

Did this person happen to recently release a god-awful-looking furry-fetish VN on Steam?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on October 20, 2016, 06:52:13 PM
tits on a fox

Did this person happen to recently release a god-awful-looking furry-fetish VN on Steam?

You speak as if they're the only one. A fact that, lamentably, is not true.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on October 20, 2016, 07:28:55 PM
PC master race likes ecchi and laggy P2P gaming or something.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on October 21, 2016, 08:33:11 AM
I kind of think it's all how you present it on some level. Like I don't know how Nintendo has this family friendly image all the time when they once we're making like love hotels as part of their business model...

Love hotels are just...hotels, you know.  In a society like Japan where it's normal for people to continue to live with their parents even as adults they kind of serve a necessary function. 

I don't know, I kind of feel like most westerners really overreact to them.  Or don't even understant what they are (I recall talking to one person who thought 'love hotel' was a kind of brothel...).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Towns Car Marty on October 21, 2016, 09:15:05 AM
We have sleazy "pay by the hour" motels in the west, which is the exact same thing, just named differently. The stigma is mostly there from the userbase; young couples who live with parents aren't the average love hotel customers; people soliciting prostitutes or salarymen having affairs are. Love hotels are key to the enablement and facilitation of a society-wide problem. Deffo complicit in misogyny culture!


Nintendo did used to have mob ties too--but so did everyone else. They certainly weren't as egregious and public about it as, say, Xainsoft
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on October 21, 2016, 09:45:55 AM
TBF, Japanese and Korean societies both frown on love hotels, too.  Not just Westerners.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on October 21, 2016, 01:16:01 PM
We have sleazy "pay by the hour" motels in the west, which is the exact same thing, just named differently. The stigma is mostly there from the userbase; young couples who live with parents aren't the average love hotel customers; people soliciting prostitutes or salarymen having affairs are. Love hotels are key to the enablement and facilitation of a society-wide problem. Deffo complicit in misogyny culture!

I'm certainly not going to claim that prostiton and affairs don't happen, but to claim that they're the 'average' customers is beyond ridiculous.

From Wikipedia:
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It is estimated that more than 500 million visits to Japan's 37,000[24] love hotels take place each year, which is the equivalent of around 1.4 million couples,[24] or 2% of Japan's population, visiting a love hotel each day.[6]

Think about that for a second.  2% of Japan's entire population will spend some time at a love hotel on any given day.  That would be an awful lot of affairs and prostituion...

I am not going to there isn't any stigma about love hotels, but it's very different from those sleazy 'pay-by-the-hour' hotels you can describe (for one thing love hotels can actually be very high-end...).  They are quite mainstream.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on October 23, 2016, 11:04:42 AM
Hm, well at any rate I don't know the full story basically I was just saying pornographic/prostitution oriented things are often part of purely corporate endeavors without any kind of "oh this is seedy" sort of thing.

Or like Carl's Jr ads, etc, I guess I just never understood the ohmygoshpornsobad sentiment when a lot of areas of society seem to telegraph that it's perfectly acceptable.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on October 30, 2016, 05:04:32 AM
Holy moly did you guys see the Omen trailer for FF15? It's like the most epic of epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZymd6r4wGg

In Artimicia's ever changing FF opinions(tm) you know I think FF14 surpassed 9, and I think 15 will surpass 7.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on October 30, 2016, 11:54:00 AM
Holy moly did you guys see the Omen trailer for FF15? It's like the most epic of epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZymd6r4wGg

In Artimicia's ever changing FF opinions(tm) you know I think FF14 surpassed 9, and I think 15 will surpass 7.

That trailer, to me, is probably better than *anything* else they've released for the game.

I was definitely put off by the game's long wait, didn't think any need to hype something without a release in sight... butt fuck it, I'm back on board.  Love what I see and what I hear about it and happy I got a CE for this one (and now with that said, I jinxed it and I'll hate it probably D: ).

C'mon Square, you owe us; I bought Type-0 and Star Ocean 5, don't lemme down!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on October 30, 2016, 07:20:17 PM
Holy moly did you guys see the Omen trailer for FF15? It's like the most epic of epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZymd6r4wGg

In Artimicia's ever changing FF opinions(tm) you know I think FF14 surpassed 9, and I think 15 will surpass 7.

That trailer, to me, is probably better than *anything* else they've released for the game.

I was definitely put off by the game's long wait, didn't think any need to hype something without a release in sight... butt fuck it, I'm back on board.  Love what I see and what I hear about it and happy I got a CE for this one (and now with that said, I jinxed it and I'll hate it probably D: ).

C'mon Square, you owe us; I bought Type-0 and Star Ocean 5, don't lemme down!

That was honestly the craziest trailer I've seen for like anything, game, movie, TV show, Kid's advertising their lemonade stand, whatever.. just so crazy, especially the end there with just no sound and the logo I was like EEK lol.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on October 30, 2016, 09:03:22 PM
If the game is half as good as that trailer makes it look then it will be amazing.

...I don't know, though.  Will it really be even half as good as that trailer makes it look?  That's a legitimate question.  Many trailers misrepresent the product, and I don't have a ton of faith in S-E's ability to execute these days...

I'll probably buy it anyway, though.  It's worth a shot at least.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on October 31, 2016, 02:04:22 PM
Soooo.... when I think "game trailer" I think "clips of bits from an upcoming game intended to promote it".  This FFXV Omen Trailer is an artistic 4-minute mini-move.  I doubt any of this footage is in the game anywhere.

Oh, also, it blew me away.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: divingfalcons on October 31, 2016, 06:33:42 PM
It's a thematic trailer. The trailer is meant to convey the themes of the game, and it does juuuust enough of that to wet your appetite. It's an excellent trailer I think.

You know, everything I've seen about FFXV gets me excited, but everything I've played puts me off.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on October 31, 2016, 07:04:53 PM
You know, everything I've seen about FFXV gets me excited, but everything I've played puts me off.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on October 31, 2016, 07:50:19 PM
You know, everything I've seen about FFXV gets me excited, but everything I've played puts me off.

My thoughts exactly.

That's kind of how I feel about the Souls series, Skyrim, and a few other things... I'm engaged by the franchise but not necessarily by how it's presented.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on November 02, 2016, 03:26:19 AM
Anyway, the news I hear today is that there isn't necessarily going to be a lot of "story content" lots of open world questing and the likes, not that I didn't expect that per se, but I guess the point is to prepare for a speeded up version of FF kinda like Type-0 perhaps.

Actually the comparison I heard was MGSV, not really positive news per se...

I gotta say I'd be really curious one day to hear what the differences are between the original Versus and what is eventually coming out.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Towns Car Marty on November 02, 2016, 03:45:26 AM
Tabata said the first half of the game is the wide open road trip, while the second half becomes a focused, tight narrative experience.
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/08/26/final-fantasy-xv-open-world-first-half-second-half-linear/

Some of the videos we've seen show that there are explorable towns, so I doubt we're going to be left in the wilderness for 80 hours.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Lian_Kazairl on November 02, 2016, 10:37:28 AM
Anyway, the news I hear today is that there isn't necessarily going to be a lot of "story content" lots of open world questing and the likes, not that I didn't expect that per se, but I guess the point is to prepare for a speeded up version of FF kinda like Type-0 perhaps.

Actually the comparison I heard was MGSV, not really positive news per se...


What I've seen is people who haven't played the game being afraid that it will be another MGSV, not that it actually is like that game.

It seems to be a reaction to this tweet (https://twitter.com/RayChase/status/793172199599321089) from Ray Chase (Noctis' VA):
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One huge strength of XV imo is how sparse cutscenes are, unlike FFXIII series. When they happen they really matter.

And I can see why someone would read that and be concerned, but that doesn't mean that there's a lack of story content. Especially when we know there is a shit ton of banter between the party, meaning there are alternative ways to get across character and plot development. Also, because he's specifically referencing FFXIII, I think what he meant was to contrast XV with the more on rails, "travel in a linear path from point A to B and get five cutscenes along the way" method that XIII employed. Which makes sense. The first half of the game is very open, and we know you can explore a lot and do optional sidequests. It makes sense that cutscenes would be a little less frequent with that kind of setup.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on December 05, 2016, 10:35:34 PM
So here's just a crap-load of rumours:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226077233&postcount=1

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2017 will be the 30th anniversary for Final Fantasy and Square Enix will celebrate the milestone with the following items:

Final Fantasy releases in 2017 to celebrate the anniversary: Square will launch Final Fantasy VII Remake (first episode) and Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age as main games to celebrate the Final Fantasys birthday.

Final Fantasy XIII trilogy is coming to PS4 during the next year. The bundle will include Final Fantasy XIII, XIII-2 and Lightning Returns on separate discs to be enjoined in 1080p and 60fps.
Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary Collection.
This compilation will include Final Fantasy I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII and IX and it will be released on PS4 and PS Vita in a single disc/card.
Season Pass:
   Final Fantasy I, Final Fantasy II, Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age, Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions and Chrono Trigger could be released on Steam before the end of 2017.
   Final Fantasy VII Remake and Final Fantasy XV are coming to PC, but likely not until early-mid 2018.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: NickRansbottom on December 05, 2016, 10:38:39 PM
So here's just a crap-load of rumours:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226077233&postcount=1

Quote
2017 will be the 30th anniversary for Final Fantasy and Square Enix will celebrate the milestone with the following items:

Final Fantasy releases in 2017 to celebrate the anniversary: Square will launch Final Fantasy VII Remake (first episode) and Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age as main games to celebrate the Final Fantasys birthday.

Final Fantasy XIII trilogy is coming to PS4 during the next year. The bundle will include Final Fantasy XIII, XIII-2 and Lightning Returns on separate discs to be enjoined in 1080p and 60fps.
Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary Collection.
This compilation will include Final Fantasy I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII and IX and it will be released on PS4 and PS Vita in a single disc/card.
Season Pass:
   Final Fantasy I, Final Fantasy II, Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age, Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions and Chrono Trigger could be released on Steam before the end of 2017.
   Final Fantasy VII Remake and Final Fantasy XV are coming to PC, but likely not until early-mid 2018.
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/283/235/7e3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 02, 2017, 02:06:15 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/01/02/ariana-grande-featured-character-final-fantasy-brave-exvius/

Posting this because, "Who?".
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 02, 2017, 02:40:20 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/01/02/ariana-grande-featured-character-final-fantasy-brave-exvius/

Posting this because, "Who?".
...ok aeoly poly, you need to get out more.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on January 02, 2017, 02:41:33 PM
I have to just assume his "Who?" was more of a "WTF" than an actual "I don't know who this person is," but I could very well be wrong.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 02, 2017, 02:45:10 PM
I have to just assume his "Who?" was more of a "WTF" than an actual "I don't know who this person is," but I could very well be wrong.
You know, there's this amazing word they created for such a situation...it's called "what" and it is a very common word.

(Right about now I would attach a smug ass gif but I'm lazy, so just imagine a fat kid eating a piece of cake that's bigger than everyone else's)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on January 02, 2017, 03:10:49 PM
Well I can't speak for Aeolus but I have no idea who that person is at least...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 02, 2017, 04:06:49 PM
Meanwhile I manage to know Ariana Grande from her role on the show Victorious and not her singing career somehow..

It's a shame Victoria Justice wasn't the one to get super famous she was way more interesting than Ariana.

Here is a classic from the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ankcc4OQ8BU

I'll go now.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 02, 2017, 05:46:16 PM
Well I can't speak for Aeolus but I have no idea who that person is at least...
Jesus christ pick up a smartphone and search the front page of anything that isn't pretentious bullshit and she's probably somewhere there....hell type A in the search window for youtube and she'll be the first suggestion aside from your own previous searches. Unless you make it a point to avoid mainstream media, Ariana Grande is pretty much plastered everywhere.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on January 02, 2017, 06:26:28 PM
Well I can't speak for Aeolus but I have no idea who that person is at least...
Jesus christ pick up a smartphone and search the front page of anything that isn't pretentious bullshit and she's probably somewhere there....hell type A in the search window for youtube and she'll be the first suggestion aside from your own previous searches. Unless you make it a point to avoid mainstream media, Ariana Grande is pretty much plastered everywhere.

uhh...

I've also never heard of Ariana Grande
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on January 02, 2017, 06:29:48 PM
I know who she is because she was a guest judge on Ru Pauls Drag Race at some point.

Also I think Tatianna did her on Snatch Game in All Stars 2.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on January 02, 2017, 06:36:25 PM
Jesus christ pick up a smartphone and search the front page of anything that isn't pretentious bullshit and she's probably somewhere there....hell type A in the search window for youtube and she'll be the first suggestion aside from your own previous searches. Unless you make it a point to avoid mainstream media, Ariana Grande is pretty much plastered everywhere.

Calm down, man.  Everything is going to be OK.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on January 02, 2017, 06:43:30 PM
Jesus christ pick up a smartphone and search the front page of anything that isn't pretentious bullshit and she's probably somewhere there....hell type A in the search window for youtube and she'll be the first suggestion aside from your own previous searches. Unless you make it a point to avoid mainstream media, Ariana Grande is pretty much plastered everywhere.

Calm down, man.  Everything is going to be OK.

BUT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?! People don't know who Ariana Grande is!!! HE CANNOT ALLOW THIS.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Ranadiel on January 02, 2017, 08:01:34 PM
Jesus christ pick up a smartphone and search the front page of anything that isn't pretentious bullshit and she's probably somewhere there....hell type A in the search window for youtube and she'll be the first suggestion aside from your own previous searches. Unless you make it a point to avoid mainstream media, Ariana Grande is pretty much plastered everywhere.

Calm down, man.  Everything is going to be OK.

BUT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?! People don't know who Ariana Grande is!!! HE CANNOT ALLOW THIS.
OH MY GOD!...wait who? O.o
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on January 02, 2017, 08:12:13 PM
tits on a fox

Did this person happen to recently release a god-awful-looking furry-fetish VN on Steam?

No. In fact, I couldn't find any artist credited for Major/Minor. Which is weird, since I recognize the style, but I can't quite put my finger on who...maybe one of the Russian furs...

Whoever it is, they got a different artist for their next game (who I also can't find mentioned anywhere, but I swear it was one of the artists I whose galleries I browsing a week or so ago).

But yeah, no, the guy I was talking about just works on his own stuff, as far as I cared to notice. If its any consolation, it seems like he was fairly lamented by the furry community for a time, mostly due to his...special brand of autism that he rarely seems to separate from his works, with the sole exception of a surprisingly well-written, PG-rated, Slice-of-life comic that I can hardly believe came from his brain - and neither could he, apparently, since he decided he doesn't like working on it anymore, seeing as there weren't enough tits on display.

...and I just realized I'm replying to a post that was written way back in the middle of October...awkward...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 02, 2017, 09:55:31 PM
I swear I've seen ads of her appear on the front page. I can't be the only fucking guy who knows who she is...dear god don't let me be alone in this!!!
Calm down, man.  Everything is going to be OK.
NO, EVERYTHING IS NOT GOING TO BE OK!!! NO ONE LIKES MEN, NO ONE KNOWS WHO ARIANA GRANDE IS, PEOPLE LIKE FFXII...THIS IS 2016 ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 02, 2017, 10:04:45 PM
I have to just assume his "Who?" was more of a "WTF" than an actual "I don't know who this person is," but I could very well be wrong.
You know, there's this amazing word they created for such a situation...it's called "what" and it is a very common word.

(Right about now I would attach a smug ass gif but I'm lazy, so just imagine a fat kid eating a piece of cake that's bigger than everyone else's)

It was the latter in my case, so I really did mean 'who'.

That said, I have since rectified the matter.
Code: [Select]
Thanks I <3 Radio Music Awards.

I swear I've seen ads of her appear on the front page. I can't be the only fucking guy who knows who she is...dear god don't let me be alone in this!!!
Calm down, man.  Everything is going to be OK.
NO, EVERYTHING IS NOT GOING TO BE OK!!! NO ONE LIKES MEN, NO ONE KNOWS WHO ARIANA GRANDE IS, PEOPLE LIKE FFXII...THIS IS 2016 ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!

To be fair, men as a whole have done a great job at making themselves unlikable. As for not knowing who Ariana is prior to today, I blame 2016's election cycle (and the media as they are against me (also I haven't looked at the front page for this site in years (I mean seriously, why do we even have one?))).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 02, 2017, 10:11:20 PM
I appreciate your honesty at my nonsensical rant, Aeolus.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 02, 2017, 10:14:14 PM
I appreciate your honesty at my nonsensical rant, Aeolus.

As long as I was brutal about my honesty, that's all that matters.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 02, 2017, 10:21:38 PM
Well the main benefit is we got another nickname for Aelous, Aeoly poly.... pretty good. I was always thinking "Aeoli Ravioli" in my head to be honest.

I think I imagine ones for some other people at times (Dincrest is Dinc, for example) but hesitate to share because I feel online weirdness would ensue.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Isjaki on January 02, 2017, 11:12:32 PM
I listen to Ariana Grande most days. She is great!
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew on January 02, 2017, 11:47:48 PM
When did this become "The Ariana Grande Discussion Thread"?

(About a page ago, it looks like!)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Hathen on January 02, 2017, 11:53:58 PM
another vote for "who the hell is ariana grande" here

come on D, you're on a board of weebs, you think we care about crappy gaijin girls?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on January 03, 2017, 01:30:09 AM
Just so we're clear: are we, or are we not talking about a type of french pastry I have yet to sample?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Hathen on January 03, 2017, 03:24:24 AM
your pleb is showing, you dont even know the grande adds sour cream and diced tomatoes
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 03, 2017, 07:58:31 AM
Kinda cool square is enlisting a western singer.  Gackt had his time! Etc whatever

But not a bad choice.
Love the sprite for her (people who don't get it and want to look up "Dangerous Woman a Capella by Ariana Grande"), she looks like the FF songstress class mixed with Brave Defaults Ranger. :p

Even if you don't like her or her music or square doing things with pop stars you've never heard of, she's got a great voice anyways and seems pretty thrilled about the whole thing
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 03, 2017, 12:33:45 PM
another vote for "who the hell is ariana grande" here

come on D, you're on a board of weebs, you think we care about crappy gaijin girls?
That's why I feel so alone, being the only man who knows who she is. It's saddening...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on January 03, 2017, 12:39:13 PM
another vote for "who the hell is ariana grande" here

come on D, you're on a board of weebs, you think we care about crappy gaijin girls?
That's why I feel so alone, being the only man who knows who she is. It's saddening...

Hey I said I know who she is.

I'm a man D:<
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 03, 2017, 01:28:25 PM
another vote for "who the hell is ariana grande" here

come on D, you're on a board of weebs, you think we care about crappy gaijin girls?
That's why I feel so alone, being the only man who knows who she is. It's saddening...

Hey I said I know who she is.

I'm a man D:<
But you found out who she is from watching a Ru Paul show.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 03, 2017, 02:04:25 PM
I have heard of Ms. Grande many a time and am aware she is a young, female celebrity.  And that is the extent of my knowledge.  But if she really does like Final Fantasy and dressed up as a X-2 Songstress for a music video, then I can respect her more than most pop stars, for sure.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on January 03, 2017, 03:57:31 PM
your pleb is showing, you dont even know the grande adds sour cream and diced tomatoes

(http://i.giphy.com/1ktwfTjwaQzde.gif)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Isjaki on January 03, 2017, 04:37:17 PM
I'm a man and listen to her almost daily! She writes some great pop music and I generally don't listen to pop music.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 03, 2017, 04:43:43 PM
I have heard of Ms. Grande many a time and am aware she is a young, female celebrity.  And that is the extent of my knowledge.  But if she really does like Final Fantasy and dressed up as a X-2 Songstress for a music video, then I can respect her more than most pop stars, for sure.
Err...no, she did an album called Dangerous Woman and wore that outfit, SE wanted to use her for FFBE. Afaik Ariana Grande probably knew less about Final Fantasy than you guys knew about her.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 03, 2017, 04:53:14 PM
Well, see, there you go.  Shows how much I pay attention.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on January 03, 2017, 05:08:58 PM
It's a good job we have Ariana Grande's biggest fan here to keep us straight.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on January 03, 2017, 05:10:51 PM
It's cool that D has such diverse taste and is open to various things.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on January 03, 2017, 05:11:40 PM
It's a good job we have Ariana Grande's biggest fan here to keep us straight.

Well, it could be worse: He could be her biggest...FLAN!

...Oh, right...she's not a dessert...we already covered that...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Ranadiel on January 03, 2017, 06:08:09 PM
It's a good job we have Ariana Grande's biggest fan here to keep us straight.

Well, it could be worse: He could be her biggest...FLAN!

...Oh, right...she's not a dessert...we already covered that...
Have we ruled out that she is actually a Starbuck's drink yet? Because I am not convinced.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Dice on January 03, 2017, 08:48:23 PM
I have heard of Ms. Grande many a time and am aware she is a young, female celebrity.  And that is the extent of my knowledge.  But if she really does like Final Fantasy and dressed up as a X-2 Songstress for a music video, then I can respect her more than most pop stars, for sure.

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/5/50/BDFF_Agn%C3%A8s_Hunter.png/revision/latest?cb=20131126015605)

+

(http://i.imgur.com/m7yGLgy.png)

+

Songstress magic

=

(https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/ariana-grande-dangerous-woman.jpg?quality=90&w=650)
Video here (https://youtu.be/VVYTzauIb_4)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on January 03, 2017, 08:56:54 PM
^ all I'm seeing here is a vinyl minnie mouse
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 03, 2017, 08:59:33 PM
^ all I'm seeing here is a vinyl minnie mouse
There are far worse things to have in a video game....

(http://www.zeusthaber.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/V66JHx3Qhqg8komnsvuCvQIlo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Ranadiel on January 03, 2017, 09:03:21 PM
(https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/ariana-grande-dangerous-woman.jpg?quality=90&w=650)
Video here (https://youtu.be/VVYTzauIb_4)
Is this what happens when a Playboy Bunny decides she is going to fight crime? "I am vengeance! I am the night. I am Bat-Bunny!" Something like that?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 03, 2017, 09:08:30 PM
(https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/ariana-grande-dangerous-woman.jpg?quality=90&w=650)
Video here (https://youtu.be/VVYTzauIb_4)
Is this what happens when a Playboy Bunny decides she is going to fight crime? "I am vengeance! I am the night. I am Bat-Bunny!" Something like that?
Well, they couldn't use this version of her...

http://m.imgur.com/NMPFRPL?r
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on January 07, 2017, 10:55:12 PM
so why does ff13 get ripped for corridors but FFX gets a free pass?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 07, 2017, 11:08:07 PM
Don't know, I didn't enjoy FFX for that exact reason (first FF I basically didn't like that much, to be honest) but I guess it's just it was 15 years ago or whatever. It was an era when anything FF people would bask in the glow I guess.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 07, 2017, 11:14:32 PM
so why does ff13 get ripped for corridors but FFX gets a free pass?

It didn't.

In fact, it was frequently hailed as a 'Going North' simulator.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 07, 2017, 11:21:18 PM
What mags were you subscribed to Aeolus?

I mean I guess if you went to dumpster diving to the most foul corners of the internet... but yeah basically every major gaming place at the time was like 10/10!

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 08, 2017, 01:05:18 AM
FFX also had a much better cast of interesting (or at least less whiny overall) characters, and backtracking in X had merits, whereas in XIII it was just fighting old shit. But yeah, I recall many a whine about how singular the path was in X as well. I don't even know when people started calling X good, I always found it rather weak in the FF verse. Better than XII and XIII for sure, but couldn't hold a candle to any of the psx stuff.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 08, 2017, 01:49:55 AM
Also does Fran have the best butt in FF?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on January 08, 2017, 03:47:11 AM
Also does Fran have the best butt in FF?

that honor goes to garuda in ff11
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Ranadiel on January 08, 2017, 07:46:21 AM
FFX also had a much better cast of interesting (or at least less whiny overall) characters, and backtracking in X had merits, whereas in XIII it was just fighting old shit. But yeah, I recall many a whine about how singular the path was in X as well. I don't even know when people started calling X good, I always found it rather weak in the FF verse. Better than XII and XIII for sure, but couldn't hold a candle to any of the psx stuff.
Could you even backtrack in FFXIII? As I recall, once you left an area in FFXIII it was basically sealed off forever except for that one really large area (Gran Pulse?) and a couple of areas necessary to backtrack to a portal to there at end game.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aurian on January 08, 2017, 10:27:48 AM
At least FFX had towns, games, etc to break up the monotony of the corridor.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 08, 2017, 12:21:01 PM
FFX also had a much better cast of interesting (or at least less whiny overall) characters, and backtracking in X had merits, whereas in XIII it was just fighting old shit. But yeah, I recall many a whine about how singular the path was in X as well. I don't even know when people started calling X good, I always found it rather weak in the FF verse. Better than XII and XIII for sure, but couldn't hold a candle to any of the psx stuff.
Could you even backtrack in FFXIII? As I recall, once you left an area in FFXIII it was basically sealed off forever except for that one really large area (Gran Pulse?) and a couple of areas necessary to backtrack to a portal to there at end game.
Certain areas allowed you to run back through them, but there were cutoff points. Can't remember the spots, but I know there were at least a handful of areas in one corridor you could run back through before you were on the airship for example.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 08, 2017, 12:52:31 PM
FFX also had a much better cast of interesting (or at least less whiny overall) characters, and backtracking in X had merits, whereas in XIII it was just fighting old shit. But yeah, I recall many a whine about how singular the path was in X as well. I don't even know when people started calling X good, I always found it rather weak in the FF verse. Better than XII and XIII for sure, but couldn't hold a candle to any of the psx stuff.

The same seven enemies and their 20+ recolors/skins of FFX says hi. XIII's enemy types were vastly more varied by comparison. And backtracking in X before getting the Airship meant getting random Blitzball players sooner than later (and oftentimes you couldn't even backtrack that far anyways given how suddenly this ferry service just stopped working for awhile, or a caravan suddenly decided to pull up and block the road, or there's some cleaning up after yet another Sin attack, and so on; and backtracking itself was tedious as all hell due to the hellish encounter rate).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: bigdeath on January 08, 2017, 02:01:42 PM
My biggest pet peeve about FFX is all the long unskippable cutscenes. Ugh. It really makes any replay impossible for me to tolerate.

Every cutscene in FF13 is skipable, thank god.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on January 08, 2017, 02:10:28 PM
FFX cutscenes are incredibly short by series standards, its one of the things I really like about the game actually. And I like the structures of FFX and FFXIII both. What others may call "corridor linearity" I call front-loading the story so you can quickly get that out of the way and then enjoy all the extra stuff without having to try and continue remembering where you're supposed to be going or what's going on with the plot. FFXIII does this even better by making you actually defeat the final boss and finish the game first, thereby not turning what's supposed to be an epic last confrontation into a joke of a fight.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 08, 2017, 03:10:10 PM
FFX cutscenes are incredibly short by series standards, its one of the things I really like about the game actually. And I like the structures of FFX and FFXIII both. What others may call "corridor linearity" I call front-loading the story so you can quickly get that out of the way and then enjoy all the extra stuff without having to try and continue remembering where you're supposed to be going or what's going on with the plot. FFXIII does this even better by making you actually defeat the final boss and finish the game first, thereby not turning what's supposed to be an epic last confrontation into a joke of a fight.

The various regions of Spira are also fairly short, but you wouldn't know it from getting into a random encounter every three steps (Thunder Plains is like three screens total (four if you count the temple), but it takes over an hour to cross due to the lightning gimmick, the random encounter rate, and the cutscenes at the rest stop).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on January 08, 2017, 05:57:22 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/01/02/ariana-grande-featured-character-final-fantasy-brave-exvius/

Posting this because, "Who?".
When I read about this, I became even less interested in Brave Exvius.  The fact that it is freemium is enough to turn me off.  Cynically adding a pop star into the mix as a promotional tie in to the game in order to increase its popularity only turns me off the game even more.

I should note that I have nothing against Ariana Grande.  I do find, however the title of her most recently released album (Dangerous Woman) utterly hilarious when you consider what she puts out is prepackaged corporate pop music.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 14, 2017, 09:41:54 PM
You know if I'm being totally honest the series more or less died after X for me.. or in the process of X, that is to say.

8 I think did epic FF super well, 9 did cute old school FF super well, and then X was just like this thing that felt like it was dying and then died.

I mean really, Blitzball, Leaderhosen, spandex, how did we go from Beatrix and Steiner, Rinoa and Squall, to that?

The thing that I disliked the most was when they gave you auto-res for the final boss... talk about making it a cheap like VN sort of experience or something...

Bleh.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 15, 2017, 03:37:15 AM
That said... I think FF6 for best overall FF.

Yeah that sounds right to me...

FF6, best FF

FF8 Solid epic FF
FF9 Solid classic FF
FF10 the FF where it starts to fall apart.

No matter what though, super iconic franchise... not to get crazy political but I kinda think it's sort of like an ultimate "transgender" franchise not a fan of labels or anything, but if you think about all the characters beat up tons of stereotypes about pulpy/comic cultures left and right.

Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on January 16, 2017, 07:17:10 PM
Really enjoyed this fan art of Lightning, came across it on tumblr

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/8f6f2d292cc5bc8e3e9eb308f7859239/tumblr_o2cssx9Wu51sgel78o1_500.png)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on February 02, 2017, 09:18:15 PM
I was recently reading the latest update on the Final Fantasy VII remake and find myself pissed off.  The fact that it's going to be an episodic release has totally tuned me off the entire project.  If it's, say three episodes, I'm likely going to be on the hook for $179.97 for the game, assuming Square-Enix bases its pricing on the standard AAA title MSRP.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Ranadiel on February 02, 2017, 09:46:47 PM
I was recently reading the latest update on the Final Fantasy VII remake and find myself pissed off.  The fact that it's going to be an episodic release has totally tuned me off the entire project.  If it's, say three episodes, I'm likely going to be on the hook for $179.97 for the game, assuming Square-Enix bases its pricing on the standard AAA title MSRP.
O.o Latest? Wasn't that in the initial announcement? I know it has been known since at least Dec 2015. Although I guess there really hasn't been much news about it in the past year so announcement might still qualify as latest?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on February 02, 2017, 10:22:23 PM
Seemed relevant (http://www.reallifecomics.com/index.php).
(Look at the date on the comic...)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on February 03, 2017, 01:38:04 PM
Yeah, this is two year old outrage.  "Episodic" means nothing, at this point.  There's literally no reason to think anything negative about VIIR just yet.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on February 03, 2017, 07:51:46 PM
Seemed relevant (http://www.reallifecomics.com/index.php).
(Look at the date on the comic...)
I was pissed off then and I am still pissed off now.  I won't be buying this release when it comes out.  If Square-Enix eventually releases a bundle package that contains all the episodes for a reasonable price, I might reconsider.  I was aware of this being an episodic release for quite some time, but there was still a part of me that was futilely hoping that it was just a rumor.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Ranadiel on February 03, 2017, 10:08:23 PM
Seemed relevant (http://www.reallifecomics.com/index.php).
(Look at the date on the comic...)
Funny thing, when I was writing my post, I checked that exact comic to see how long ago we knew about the episodic thing. XP
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on February 03, 2017, 11:10:43 PM
Yeah, unless each episode is a fully-featured game, I'm not gonna get jerked around by episodic content. I already own Final Fantasy VII on the PS4, and I'd rather play that instead, since I know I'll be playing a finished product.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Isjaki on February 04, 2017, 03:02:43 AM
Hopefully, it is 7 episodes at 59.99 a piece and then a month after the last episode is released they announce a complete collection for 77.77. Then there will be an ultimate collectors edition limited to 7 with a 7 foot Cloud statue at the price of 7777.77.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on February 04, 2017, 05:15:12 AM
Then there will be an ultimate collectors edition limited to 7 with a 7 foot Cloud statue at the price of 7777.77.

But it will only be available for 7 days. Afterwords, God will have to remake the universe, because, and I quote, "I'm on Fire today! C'mon, Mama needs a new pair of shoes!"
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on February 06, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
I won't be buying this release when it comes out.

*sigh*
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 06, 2017, 01:10:34 PM
I won't be buying this release when it comes out.

*sigh*
Agreed, accompanied by a rather large facepalm.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on February 06, 2017, 01:32:12 PM
Can't episodic games be both necessary and exploitative?

I get that since the original VII was such a massive undertaking (and so important) that only remaking it into a single game might seem a bit underwhelming, but also fuck me I don't want to have to pay 200 bucks in order to play what is still just 1 title (and a remake at that). 

Though it's not a 1 to 1 comparison, it feels the same as when dirtbag film companies split what should be the final film in a trilogy into 2 parts so they can keep that sweet sweet cash stream flowing.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on February 06, 2017, 01:38:24 PM
I really doubt the price point is going to be as high as people say. I'm imagining any other episodic game, where you have something like a $20 base game and a $50 or so "season pass" to get the rest of the episodes. Of course I'm not so stupid as to think Square Enix's prices will be quite that low, but I doubt you'll have to spend a console's price tag to play the entirety of FF7R
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on February 06, 2017, 02:13:46 PM
Except how many other RPGs are released episodically? I don't trust that S-E would be able to make each episode worth the time, not without completely rewriting FF7 until the word "remake" becomes utterly meaningless. Even if they did, I wouldn't be surprised if each episode was released at close to a full price. And I'm not saying that just because I think S-E wants to milk us, I just think the scale they've been suggesting, at least on the technical side, probably would be difficult to pull off in an episodic format.

Either way, I'll probably sit it out and wait for every episode to be released. I'm not gonna put money down on an incomplete product. I already spent most of last year learning that lesson the hard way. Fuck Early Access, Screw Season Passes, and God Damn Episodic releases of AAA games.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on February 06, 2017, 02:19:00 PM
I don't want to have to pay 200 bucks

You're inventing reasons to be outraged.  This is what the facepalms are for.  Let's wait until we have Pesky Facts before we lose our minds, please.

I doubt you'll have to spend a console's price tag to play the entirety of FF7R

This is the common sense conclusion to draw.  Not that the FUD crowd is definitely wrong, but it really seems unlikely that SE would purposely price themselves out of sales.

I don't trust that S-E would be able to make each episode worth the time, not without completely rewriting FF7 until the word "remake" becomes utterly meaningless. Even if they did, I wouldn't be surprised if each episode was released at close to a full price.

It's more likely that the price will be based on amount of content.  So if an episode is $60, expect a 60-hour RPG experience.

If the game is released and it IS overpriced/choppy/bad, let's get ticked off then.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on February 06, 2017, 02:30:31 PM
^True, and personally, I'm only worried because I like Final Fantasy, and I'm tired of S-E finding ways to screw up what would otherwise be fun games. This is a very easy situation for them to screw up, and even if they don't, it'll probably be several years after the initial episode releases before I get to experience the end result. It's like getting in a fight with your teenager before they go off to college in another country. I'm only angry because I care...
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on February 06, 2017, 02:48:44 PM
I don't want to have to pay 200 bucks

You're inventing reasons to be outraged.  This is what the facepalms are for.  Let's wait until we have Pesky Facts before we lose our minds, please.


this http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/06/final-fantasy-7-remakes-episodes-are-the-size-of-full-games (http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/06/final-fantasy-7-remakes-episodes-are-the-size-of-full-games)
99% of the reason remakes exist is to extract even more money from the same IP. So please tell me why, if the article I linked is true (as it seems to be), they won't charge full price for a full game? 

edited out snarky meme to say: It'd make even less sense for SE to go through the trouble of making each episode a full game and then NOT charge full price for it.  Making the type of game that FFVIIR is turning into is super expensive, so charging anything less than 60 bucks would be throwing money down the toilet.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on February 06, 2017, 03:49:14 PM
Why don't we argue about this in 5 years when the game comes out?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 06, 2017, 03:50:41 PM
Why don't we argue about this in 5 years when the game comes out?
Need something to pass the time til Nier 2 and Mass Effect Andromeda....and FFVIIR.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on February 06, 2017, 03:57:44 PM
Gosh dang it, [member=1852]Starmongoose[/member]

[member=5235]glassjawsh[/member] - If each episode is a full game, I don't see what the problem is.
First of all, you already know the story, beginning to end.  The point is to re-experience it in a new way.  So instead of having one game with all the same story moments as the original, isn't actually better to have more story and things to do than the original?
Secondly, people regularly pay $150 for Atelier trilogies.  It's not like such a thing is unheard of in the realm of RPGs.  An FFVII Trilogy with AAA production values would be worth more, for sure.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 06, 2017, 04:37:08 PM
Gosh dang it, [member=1852]Starmongoose[/member]

[member=5235]glassjawsh[/member] - If each episode is a full game, I don't see what the problem is.
First of all, you already know the story, beginning to end.  The point is to re-experience it in a new way.  So instead of having one game with all the same story moments as the original, isn't actually better to have more story and things to do than the original?
Secondly, people regularly pay $150 for Atelier trilogies.  It's not like such a thing is unheard of in the realm of RPGs.  An FFVII Trilogy with AAA production values would be worth more, for sure.
Seriously, even by rpg standards, FF games are always incredibly long, and VII is definitely a good long run. If the remake does anything to add to each of the areas (simple sidequests, monster hunts, new story segments) then I can easily accept buying each episode for full price. Seriously, people getting antsy about this already, how many fucking times have you already bought VII to begin with? You get new content, new visuals, new gameplay, and all of a sudden the arguement is "But I already played VII waaah". Gtfo, that's some weak nonsense.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on February 06, 2017, 05:33:53 PM
~
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on February 06, 2017, 05:36:45 PM
Gonna delete one of these double posts.

EDiT: Oh shit, you edited the one I didn't delete.

(https://media.tenor.co/images/fb288a6182d05e93d8e731cec487a0ad/raw)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on February 06, 2017, 05:37:24 PM
Gonna delete one of these double posts.

goddamnit...

edit: It's ok goose, this actually turned out to be a better post than what I had originally
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on February 06, 2017, 05:38:32 PM
I'm sorry. Send me to Mod Jail.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Hathen on February 06, 2017, 06:00:55 PM
Personally I doubt they won't price the episodes at or near full price, especially if they're confident they made something good, because lots of people will be buying the game. It's like the most anticipated thing they've made ever. But like others have said, as long as people feel like they got their money's worth, it shouldn't matter.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Frostillicus on February 06, 2017, 07:33:36 PM
This seems like something to get upset about. In theory. I mean, I want to...

Like Arvis said though, gotta wait and see what happens. Hope for the best and expect the worst, or however it goes.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on February 06, 2017, 11:37:34 PM
Yeah, and if things turn for the worst, we'll have plenty of ways to experience the game the way it was originally intended...unless S-E goes bankrupt from it somehow...

...Then again, I'm more excited for the FFXII remake, because that was a game that I know needed a remaster for maximum enjoyment.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on February 07, 2017, 02:12:57 PM
XII HD Remaster is one of the biggest reasons I'm excited to have a PS4 now.  Is that silly?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rucks on February 07, 2017, 02:52:54 PM
I will always have a certain level of suspicion against for profit companies.  Their number 1 goal is their bottom line; they don;t have our best interests in mind and they've demonstrated time and time again that they aren't above thinly veiled attempts at squeezing IPs for every last cent.

So yeah, this "wait and see" approach doesn't appeal to me.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on February 07, 2017, 03:12:30 PM
^ Understandable.

But their ultimate goal is still to make something that you WANT to spend money on.  Overcharging is not in harmony with that goal.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Ranadiel on February 07, 2017, 06:11:37 PM
So I'm curious, has anyone actually done the festival in FFXV? I tried it out out of curiosity...but I didn't really find it that interesting.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on February 07, 2017, 06:19:13 PM
I genuinely wonder what Square Enix has done in the past that makes people think they're going to unreasonably gouge customers for money?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Isjaki on February 07, 2017, 08:17:35 PM
So I'm curious, has anyone actually done the festival in FFXV? I tried it out out of curiosity...but I didn't really find it that interesting.

It was kind of cute having Moogles and Chocobo decorations everywhere. I played it until I got to see the fireworks show but didn't really see the need to continue doing the festival activities. I feel like they should have put time and resources elsewhere and maybe do this after they "fix" the game.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Andrew on February 07, 2017, 11:26:04 PM
I started playing FFVX this week and holy crap is it boring. You're dumped into an open world in chapter 1 with pretty much no understanding of the world, story or characters and very little motivation -- the pacing is completely off. The world (so far) is bland and driving is about the least fun it could possibly be. The combat has improved a lot since Duscae (that was the only demo I played), so that's been alright at least. I really like the comraderie between the party too, particularly their banter, but I think if I hadn't seen Kingsglaive I would be so lost on what happened during the big events at the end of the first chapter.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Annubis on February 07, 2017, 11:57:52 PM
You're dumped into an open world in chapter 1 with pretty much no understanding of the world, story or characters and very little motivation

Well, first you have to watch a 2 cour anime, 4 OVA and a movie for the basic. After that there's the cellphone game and then another movie.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on February 08, 2017, 09:36:32 AM
Considering I'll be playing XV soon, I should probably ask what the best way to watch the Brotherhood anime is.

I genuinely wonder what Square Enix has done in the past that makes people think they're going to unreasonably gouge customers for money?
All The Bravest.  And I'm pretty sure that's it.  Many will never forgive them.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on February 08, 2017, 10:45:04 AM
Considering I'll be playing XV soon, I should probably ask what the best way to watch the Brotherhood anime is.

I genuinely wonder what Square Enix has done in the past that makes people think they're going to unreasonably gouge customers for money?
All The Bravest.  And I'm pretty sure that's it.  Many will never forgive them.

The After Years came up to around $45 dollars altogether on the WiiWare, whereas FFIV The Complete Collection was roughly the same price for the definitive version of FFIV + TAY and that dumb intermission, not more than two years later.

Squeenix game pricing issues mostly revolve around the Squeenix tax and almost immediate price drops since most of their major games have been pretty mediocre to bad (I still remember paying $60+ dollars for the steelbook edition of FFXII at launch, then seeing that same edition three weeks later at $20 bux new; the only Squeenix games I bought at launch since was Bravely Default 1, Dragon Quests V & VI and Tactics Ogre: Lettuce Cling Together).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Kevadu on February 08, 2017, 12:30:30 PM
Squeenix game pricing issues mostly revolve around the Squeenix tax and almost immediate price drops since most of their major games have been pretty mediocre to bad (I still remember paying $60+ dollars for the steelbook edition of FFXII at launch, then seeing that same edition three weeks later at $20 bux new; the only Squeenix games I bought at launch since was Bravely Default 1, Dragon Quests V & VI and Tactics Ogre: Lettuce Cling Together).

Uh, forget Square-Enix.  You just described the entire video game industry.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on February 08, 2017, 01:33:40 PM
Also, seriously, what "Square Enix" tax? I've never seen a SE game marked up beyond standard MSRP the way Atlus games are. Hell, most of their remasters have been a reasonable $40 instead of the usual $60 that a lot of other companies charge for remakes.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on February 08, 2017, 02:14:12 PM
But it's cool to hate on Squenix guys.  Don't be such squares.

see wut i did there?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on February 08, 2017, 03:50:29 PM
Also, seriously, what "Square Enix" tax? I've never seen a SE game marked up beyond standard MSRP the way Atlus games are. Hell, most of their remasters have been a reasonable $40 instead of the usual $60 that a lot of other companies charge for remakes.

That was more of a back in the day thing where the latest FFIV port/remake would go for an extra 5~10 dollars compared to the price of other, newer, games on the same system. I've since stopped following Squeenix releases so I'm not up on whether or not they still do that.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on February 08, 2017, 04:06:57 PM
I think that stopped around the time FFXIII released, and "Final Fantasy" was suddenly a dirty word...

Or maybe it was after 3rd Birthday, Front Mission: Evolved, Star Ocean: The Last Hope, Infinite Undiscovery, The Last Remnant, FFXIII-2, the delays of Versus XIII, Agito becoming Type-0, Squeenix's occasionally odd attempts at breaking into the digital market (I think Gyromancer was the best thing to come out of that, and that's not really saying much), and Eidos started churning out well-acclaimed games at unreasonably high budgets that made selling ~2 million units "disappointing"...

I think they shoved DQ's Western releases onto Nintendo's lap around that time, too, IIRC.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on February 18, 2017, 06:09:08 AM
full stormblood trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt1h1MinlLI

samurai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l444Jl2eus8
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on February 26, 2017, 07:22:11 AM
Does anyone have an opinion on Final Fantasy: Explorers Force?  There is a story up about this mobile title on the main http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2017/5940.html (http://page).  I think the game sounds promising so long as it's not a freemium title.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on February 26, 2017, 11:07:10 AM
Does anyone have an opinion on Final Fantasy: Explorers Force?  There is a story up about this mobile title on the main http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2017/5940.html (http://page).  I think the game sounds promising so long as it's not a freemium title.

FF: Explorers was, from what I've heard, a Final Fantasy themed Monster Hunter clone. I expect Explorers Force to be largely identical, barring the graphical facelift.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on March 12, 2017, 07:48:36 AM
So, I saw the story regarding the collector's edition of Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac age.  There's a part of me that wants it, but not for the price they're selling it for.  Additionally, the soundtrack isn't isn't an enticement since I own the original OST when the Playstation 2 version was released.  Still, those Judge statuettes look awesome.  If I was in a higher income quintile, I'd already have it pre-ordered.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on May 16, 2017, 08:45:11 AM
incredible song from nobuo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmQm76wFfKk
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: eightbitsamurai on May 17, 2017, 04:02:31 PM
I like Dragonsong a little bit more, but man, my boy Uematsu will just walk into the studio and crank out some S-tier tracks for Final Fantasy at the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on May 18, 2017, 09:42:30 AM
It's no "Distant Worlds" of course (what could be?) but it's very good!  Always love to hear Susan Calloway on vocals.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on July 21, 2017, 09:51:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjayqi7wcf4
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Rook on July 21, 2017, 03:49:04 PM
Also, seriously, what "Square Enix" tax? I've never seen a SE game marked up beyond standard MSRP the way Atlus games are. Hell, most of their remasters have been a reasonable $40 instead of the usual $60 that a lot of other companies charge for remakes.

That was more of a back in the day thing where the latest FFIV port/remake would go for an extra 5~10 dollars compared to the price of other, newer, games on the same system. I've since stopped following Squeenix releases so I'm not up on whether or not they still do that.

Its now called the Atlus tax.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on July 21, 2017, 04:05:03 PM
Also, seriously, what "Square Enix" tax? I've never seen a SE game marked up beyond standard MSRP the way Atlus games are. Hell, most of their remasters have been a reasonable $40 instead of the usual $60 that a lot of other companies charge for remakes.

That was more of a back in the day thing where the latest FFIV port/remake would go for an extra 5~10 dollars compared to the price of other, newer, games on the same system. I've since stopped following Squeenix releases so I'm not up on whether or not they still do that.

Its now called the Atlus tax.

That tax was even before the Squeenix tax. Now its the Persona tax.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on August 19, 2017, 06:19:34 AM
Well good thing Persona sucks then.

Honestly though I've never liked Persona >.> P3 was ok I guess the only one I played.

But yeah just never been a big fan, all I have to say about that I guess.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on August 19, 2017, 10:03:37 AM
Frik me all these Agrias pictures I found that people made

(https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.ViJO_l8EFS93JI6WHsuBYAEsDF&pid=15.1)

(http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/55dae37aeb5a316cea02802f5da13120.jpg)

(http://download.minitokyo.net/Final.Fantasy.Tactics.338514.jpg)

(http://static.zerochan.net/Agrias.Oaks.full.136069.jpg)

(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.hNo8RNEGxBbbuxNzbXbupwEsC7&pid=15.1)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on August 21, 2017, 03:12:07 PM
"Persona sucks" AND posting a bunch of Agrias pics.  In back to back posts.  Artimicia has just shot to the top of the Best Fanner leaderboard in my book.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on August 25, 2017, 11:17:35 AM
"Persona sucks" AND posting a bunch of Agrias pics.  In back to back posts.  Artimicia has just shot to the top of the Best Fanner leaderboard in my book.

Wow well thanks Arvis, I daresay I go into most threads mostly fearful about what I might read.. kinda nice to be surprised.

Anyway I'm here to note that I read a gamespot article which made clear something I've been suspicious of for some time.. which is that like 30% of the people who bought FFXV actually finished the game..

It's definitely something endemic now in gaming I've seen for awhile, people often have enthusiasm for games or the people in it, or involved in it, or a number of different things, but actually going whole hog and well gaming is sometimes not there...

Watched the ending? Perhaps but played to completion...

Anyway, apparently it became 60% later.. but yeah I guess it just seems like the play a few hours and stop method has become kinda popular or something.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on August 25, 2017, 11:24:56 AM
30% is actually a fairly high number for games these days .You'd be surprised how few people actually finish the games they buy. Hell, I recently played through Akiba's Beat and was commenting on how the trophy for JUST FINISHING THE GAME was Super Rare at, like, 7.2% or something
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on August 25, 2017, 11:37:51 AM
I admit, I have a harder time finishing games than I'd like.  Especially if I don't stick with just one game at a time.  If I am playing a game, and then I also start another game along with it, odds are I won't finish either one.  I have to play just one at a time.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Artimicia on August 29, 2017, 03:59:26 PM
I guess I really just wouldn't be surprised in many ways..

I'm starting to wonder how many people even finished iconic things like Ocarina of Time or FF7... FF7 sold like 10 million what if the completion number is like 40,000 or something like that?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on September 08, 2017, 10:42:36 PM
I admit, I have a harder time finishing games than I'd like.  Especially if I don't stick with just one game at a time.  If I am playing a game, and then I also start another game along with it, odds are I won't finish either one.  I have to play just one at a time.
I've had the same problem.  It's why the only major game I'm playing now is Tales of Berseria.  I want to download Ys VII off Steam, but I know if I do that, I won't be playing Tales of Berseria for a while.  It sucks.

Also, noticed this story (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2017/6674.html) on the main page.  All I could think was garbage content for a garbage game.  The reason I think this is because Mobius Final Fantasy is a free to play game, which means I'm either going to be microtransactioned to hell and back or merchandise for their advertising partners.  My response to Square Enix if they expect me to play this game is a hearty and enthusiastic fuck you.

Artimicia, I noticed the second Agrias picture has text on it saying for Adult Only.  Not sure I want to know what the content behind that is.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 08, 2017, 11:46:57 PM
I admit, I have a harder time finishing games than I'd like.  Especially if I don't stick with just one game at a time.  If I am playing a game, and then I also start another game along with it, odds are I won't finish either one.  I have to play just one at a time.
I've had the same problem.  It's why the only major game I'm playing now is Tales of Berseria.  I want to download Ys VII off Steam, but I know if I do that, I won't be playing Tales of Berseria for a while.  It sucks.

Also, noticed this story (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2017/6674.html) on the main page.  All I could think was garbage content for a garbage game.  The reason I think this is because Mobius Final Fantasy is a free to play game, which means I'm either going to be microtransactioned to hell and back or merchandise for their advertising partners.  My response to Square Enix if they expect me to play this game is a hearty and enthusiastic fuck you.

Artimicia, I noticed the second Agrias picture has text on it saying for Adult Only.  Not sure I want to know what the content behind that is.

Mobius Final Fantasy will always be to me, that special moment where videogames finally discovered that point where the double standard of acceptable levels of exposed flesh between male and female character designs finally blurred. They toned the PC's design way the hell down because he was basically three quarters nude. Not that this in of itself was what doomed the design as the aforementioned double standard allows guys to go down to nothing more than a single fig leaf or their own hand and nothing else, but the fact that his outfit looked pretty similar to that of Deception 4's female protagonist before the edit (a design that's pretty bad on a female, but not the worst the series had seen by that point or even within that very game, not that this is in any way a good thing due to its prevalence and our own insensitivity to that level of promiscuity, but that when similarly applied to a male, it looked both absolutely hideous and extremely suggestive, to the point where there was enough of an outcry to justify altering it, while highlighting that double standard).


As for the Agrias pic, I bet Articimia is intimately familiar with the content behind it and as many other similar sources as he could find. Not that I blame him as Agrias is among the better designed FF females (or at least one of the more relevant to her game than most FF females).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on September 10, 2017, 07:08:17 PM
I admit, I have a harder time finishing games than I'd like.  Especially if I don't stick with just one game at a time.  If I am playing a game, and then I also start another game along with it, odds are I won't finish either one.  I have to play just one at a time.
I've had the same problem.  It's why the only major game I'm playing now is Tales of Berseria.  I want to download Ys VII off Steam, but I know if I do that, I won't be playing Tales of Berseria for a while.  It sucks.

Also, noticed this story (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2017/6674.html) on the main page.  All I could think was garbage content for a garbage game.  The reason I think this is because Mobius Final Fantasy is a free to play game, which means I'm either going to be microtransactioned to hell and back or merchandise for their advertising partners.  My response to Square Enix if they expect me to play this game is a hearty and enthusiastic fuck you.

Artimicia, I noticed the second Agrias picture has text on it saying for Adult Only.  Not sure I want to know what the content behind that is.

Mobius Final Fantasy will always be to me, that special moment where videogames finally discovered that point where the double standard of acceptable levels of exposed flesh between male and female character designs finally blurred. They toned the PC's design way the hell down because he was basically three quarters nude. Not that this in of itself was what doomed the design as the aforementioned double standard allows guys to go down to nothing more than a single fig leaf or their own hand and nothing else, but the fact that his outfit looked pretty similar to that of Deception 4's female protagonist before the edit (a design that's pretty bad on a female, but not the worst the series had seen by that point or even within that very game, not that this is in any way a good thing due to its prevalence and our own insensitivity to that level of promiscuity, but that when similarly applied to a male, it looked both absolutely hideous and extremely suggestive, to the point where there was enough of an outcry to justify altering it, while highlighting that double standard).


As for the Agrias pic, I bet Articimia is intimately familiar with the content behind it and as many other similar sources as he could find. Not that I blame him as Agrias is among the better designed FF females (or at least one of the more relevant to her game than most FF females).

and yet they put agrias in dissidia over her
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on September 11, 2017, 09:59:32 AM
...over who?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 11, 2017, 07:35:56 PM
...over who?

Artimicia.

...or at least they had. (http://gematsu.com/2017/09/dissidia-final-fantasy-arcade-adds-ultimecia-final-fantasy-viii)
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Alisha on September 12, 2017, 08:35:05 AM
ramza
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on September 12, 2017, 09:00:49 AM
So you meant to say they put Ramza in Dissidia over Agrias?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Arvis on September 13, 2017, 09:34:08 AM
So you meant to say they put Ramza in Dissidia over Agrias?

That was my guess.

But Ramza is so beautiful in Dissidia NT, they could give him an Agrias costume and leave his face unchanged and he would look great.  Needs the hair, though.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Agent D. on September 20, 2017, 10:23:17 AM
So FFIX on the ps4 has a plat trophy available...but....1 of the trophies is pretty much never gonna happen.

Skip rope 1000 times.

I'm literally groaning i side just thinking about the alexandria music playing and watching poor Vivi sitting there looking at the rope limply laying on the floor cuz his bulbous black mage ass couldn't jump it in time...it's agonizing.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on September 24, 2017, 06:30:06 PM
Eww.  That is a terrible idea for an trophy reward.  Why reward tedium?
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 24, 2017, 08:25:47 PM
Eww.  That is a terrible idea for an trophy reward.  Why reward tedium?

They're just keeping it faithful to the original version of the game.

Also, "This is tedium!" "NO!!! THIS! IS! SQUEENIX!!!"
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Ranadiel on September 24, 2017, 08:32:34 PM
If they are going for tedious trophies, is there a trophy for getting your boss to say the plan is to kidnap the queen instead of Garnet? I don't remember how many times you had to give the wrong answer before he would say it, but I remember it was incredibly tedious...and that I did it for laughs after reading about it because I had nothing better to do back then. XP
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Klutz64 on September 24, 2017, 11:52:38 PM
If they are going for tedious trophies, is there a trophy for getting your boss to say the plan is to kidnap the queen instead of Garnet? I don't remember how many times you had to give the wrong answer before he would say it, but I remember it was incredibly tedious...and that I did it for laughs after reading about it because I had nothing better to do back then. XP

Actually, it was choosing to have Zidane say the plan is to kidnap the Queen. Say it 100 times, and whats-her-face interrupts the meeting to tell Zidane to stop messing around.
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 25, 2017, 12:29:27 AM
If they are going for tedious trophies, is there a trophy for getting your boss to say the plan is to kidnap the queen instead of Garnet? I don't remember how many times you had to give the wrong answer before he would say it, but I remember it was incredibly tedious...and that I did it for laughs after reading about it because I had nothing better to do back then. XP

Actually, it was choosing to have Zidane say the plan is to kidnap the Queen. Say it 100 times, and whats-her-face interrupts the meeting to tell Zidane to stop messing around.

There were so many little neat touches to that game that were simply ridiculous to actually ever see.

Also, her name was Ruby (not that she was preluding to Garnet Dagger or anything).
Title: Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread
Post by: Ranadiel on September 25, 2017, 06:42:33 AM
If they are going for tedious trophies, is there a trophy for getting your boss to say the plan is to kidnap the queen instead of Garnet? I don't remember how many times you had to give the wrong answer before he would say it, but I remember it was incredibly tedious...and that I did it for laughs after reading about it because I had nothing better to do back then. XP

Actually, it was choosing to have Zidane say the plan is to kidnap the Queen. Say it 100 times, and whats-her-face interrupts the meeting to tell Zidane to stop messing around.
I thought on the 100th time the boss pulls out a doll of the Queen before you are told to stop messing around. I might be remembering wrong though.