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Title: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Hathen on June 06, 2015, 09:37:21 AM
Well before any of us have even gotten our hands on Zestiria, this is announced.

http://gematsu.com/2015/06/tales-berseria-announced-ps4-ps3 (http://gematsu.com/2015/06/tales-berseria-announced-ps4-ps3)

So I guess I'll be the first to say it

What the hell is going on with that outfit
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on June 06, 2015, 09:55:08 AM
Oh new topic!
*snip*

Abyssal Chronicles has info: (http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/?fn_mode=comments&fn_id=1381)

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Tales of Berseria, surprisingly, will feature a female main protagonist. The character's name is Velvet ( ベルベット, berubetto) and will be voiced by Rina Satou. Ms. Satou also made an appearance at the event and expressed that she actually auditioned for the role. Her quote reads "I will not give up. No matter how many times they try, I'll devour them."

The main character designer for Velvet is Mutsumi Inomata. Velvet is apparently a female pirate, and themes of pirates and ships were shown during the short scenery video they played at the event.

No background information on Velvet or the game was given, as they said it is not yet time to give out said info. ufotable will be in charge of the animated cutscenes.

PIRATES!  FEMALE LEAD! UFO! VELEVET ROOM! DUAL RELEASE PS3/4
VA is the same woman who did Presa from Xillia and that chick from one of my old avatars (https://41.media.tumblr.com/2151e1344c852a635fed049c42536679/tumblr_mrd4n2waVK1snrjaxo4_400.png).

I'm seriooously and pleasantly surprised no Zesty 2 [yet].

So I guess I'll be the first to say it

What the hell is going on with that outfit

Well it appears to be a torn up dress of some sorts.  It looks like Tales of Destiny's Rutee grew out her hair and lengthened her outfit.

I'm hyped hoping for (and in the absence of like ALL information) that the pirate stuff can fill me with a similar sense of 'adventure' like Vespy did way back when.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Taelus on June 06, 2015, 01:57:18 PM
This already seems more interesting than Zestiria. Intriguing.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dincrest on June 06, 2015, 02:21:24 PM
I wonder if the Rutee resemblance means that it might take place in the Swordians' past in Tales of Destiny.  After all, one of the Swordians was Berselius.  

I'm cool with a female protagonist, but I hope they give her a personality and not just go all "tsundere sex kitten" on us. But I get the feeling that it will be tsundere sex kitten in the end.  

Pool of Thorns' singer rocks a variety of tattered or shredded up dresses on stage, but they always looked more badass than slutty.  So while I can dig the tatter dress, the way it's done on Velvet is closer to slutty.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Agent D. on June 06, 2015, 02:26:21 PM
I like the outfit, it really is reminiscient of Rutee, albeit a bit more flowy and tattered.

I guess it's safe to say that she's gonna use Azure Fang over Demon Fang....
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: ScottC on June 06, 2015, 02:40:35 PM
I wonder if the Rutee resemblance means that it might take place in the Swordians' past in Tales of Destiny.  After all, one of the Swordians was Berselius.

It would be dope if Berseria was tied into Destiny.  Doubt it though.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on June 06, 2015, 03:55:15 PM
Don't like the outfit. Reminds me of that J-rock stuff screaming teenage girls wore during the 00's but even less wearable.

I like the premise, though. A female pirate who is not a loli? Cool.

Oh, but they give this one a proper overworld, because piraties means ships and ships means seas!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: kkhohoho on June 06, 2015, 04:27:46 PM
{Looks at female MC}

Look, I appreciate having a female protagonist and all that, I really do, but does she really need to look like a stripper? Because that's what she looks like. She also seems to be too serious for her own good, though at this point, it's too early to really tell just what her personalities' going to be, so I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on June 06, 2015, 04:52:44 PM
{Looks at female MC}

Look, I appreciate having a female protagonist and all that, I really do, but does she really need to look like a stripper? Because that's what she looks like. She also seems to be too serious for her own good, though at this point, it's too early to really tell just what her personalities' going to be, so I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

Well, I guess she's a step-up from Milla's bondage straps, so there's that.

Don't like the outfit. Reminds me of that J-rock stuff screaming teenage girls wore during the 00's but even less wearable.

I like the premise, though. A female pirate who is not a loli? Cool.

Oh, but they give this one a proper overworld, because piraties means ships and ships means seas!

Once again Tomara is my spirit animal/voice of reason.


But responding a bit to the internet void that's hating her look: I won't judge the outfit till I see a non-blurry photo of a photo.  Cuz I'm not really sure what I'm looking at....besides a JRock Vampire

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on June 06, 2015, 05:12:12 PM
I wonder if the Rutee resemblance means that it might take place in the Swordians' past in Tales of Destiny.  After all, one of the Swordians was Berselius.  

I'm cool with a female protagonist, but I hope they give her a personality and not just go all "tsundere sex kitten" on us. But I get the feeling that it will be tsundere sex kitten in the end.  

Pool of Thorns' singer used to rock a variety of tattered or shredded up dresses on stage, but they always looked more badass than slutty.  So while I can dig the tatter dress, the way it's done on Velvet is closer to slutty.

You know, I totally missed the J-Rock connection. Given how the black coat resembles a Captain's Coat (though with some kind of ridiculous off the shoulder thing going on on both shoulders) and all the belts and assorted accessories, I can see what they were trying to go for (emphasis on trying since I still feel that this missed the mark, especially since running around on the deck of a ship on the high seas so underdressed is a very good way to cook yourself where you stand).

That said, I still feel wary since this is still a Tales of Gamia and Tales of Gamia doesn't do female protagonists so much as female leads, so we'll see if they can finally buck the trend or if they'll simply delegate her to the role of designated love interest to the real protagonist.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 06, 2015, 05:42:26 PM
I wish Velvet's name was actually Berbett to keep the whole Ber- naming convention going.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: timmyFd on June 06, 2015, 06:00:43 PM
This just in: they decide the name for a new entry in the series by trying to read out the previous name whilst drunk.

Is this actually their first female protagonist? Or did Xilia count (I didn't play it). I hope she's as good as Tear from Abyss, I liked her very muchly.
Also, the gematsu page says a "sole" protagonist. Are they ditching the party approach?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Kevadu on June 06, 2015, 06:31:18 PM
Also, the gematsu page says a "sole" protagonist. Are they ditching the party approach?

I'm not them of course but I'm pretty sure they're just trying to contrast with Xillia's dual protagonists.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on June 06, 2015, 06:42:46 PM
This just in: they decide the name for a new entry in the series by trying to read out the previous name whilst drunk.

Is this actually their first female protagonist? Or did Xilia count (I didn't play it).

I sort of count Xillia since Jude was more of a 'secondary plot character' than a primary one.  Literally he just got lucky, he meets Milla first but that was enough to qualify him sharing the spotlight with her.

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dincrest on June 06, 2015, 08:35:27 PM
When it comes to video game/anime type lady pirates, it's ALL about Ruby Heart.  That's a great outfit.

http://marvelvscapcom.wikia.com/wiki/Ruby_Heart
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Mickeymac92 on June 06, 2015, 10:04:26 PM
Oof, looks like I got more to look forward to, and Zerestia's not even out yet. At least this'll put the one Nintendo fanboy who still thinks Tales will come to the Wii U to rest...after he's done having his tantrum...
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on June 06, 2015, 10:38:51 PM
This just in: they decide the name for a new entry in the series by trying to read out the previous name whilst drunk.

Is this actually their first female protagonist? Or did Xilia count (I didn't play it).

I sort of count Xillia since Jude was more of a 'secondary plot character' than a primary one.  Literally he just got lucky, he meets Milla first but that was enough to qualify him sharing the spotlight with her.



Basically, they treated Jude and Milla as co-protagonists because just having a female protagonist was too much for them at the time. The $64,000 question is whether or not they're ready for it now (or if this is some sort of half-hearted response to Zesty or something).

While I can't say that I count Xillia 1 (especially since they ended up replacing both with an entirely different dude for Xillia 2), I do feel that at least they got kinda close with that one. Compared to how games that feature A) distinct male and female protagonists that have alternate scenarios (that usually winds up giving the male lead the better/more interesting scenario) , B) different male or female protagonists that have similar scenarios but a couple of different stages/lines/responses (to accommodate for the different genders usually the female due to the scenario being written primarily with the male in mind) or C) a generic protagonist that can be either male or female (but is almost always assumed to be male and will be referenced as such in future titles), Xillia 1 did do a better job than most.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Nel_Annette on June 06, 2015, 11:20:26 PM
I really hope they're going to think outside the box canyon on this one.

...I'll see myself out.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on June 07, 2015, 02:58:58 AM
I wish Velvet's name was actually Berbett to keep the whole Ber- naming convention going.

I'll apologise advance for what I'm about to say (Sorry!): Then let's hope Berbett doesn't develop beriberi in jail.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on June 07, 2015, 03:23:12 AM
I wish Velvet's name was actually Berbett to keep the whole Ber- naming convention going.

I'll apologise advance for what I'm about to say (Sorry!): Then let's hope Berbett doesn't develop beriberi in jail.

You guys should've seen my comments on the subject in the Tales of Playstationia Revealed megathread. I was laying it on thick before I got the whole punk look angle.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Ranadiel on June 07, 2015, 07:21:05 AM
So...this image from the RPGFan story.

(http://www.rpgfan.com/news/pictures2015/ToB-PS4-PS3-Ann-Init_002.jpg)

Am I the only one who's first thought on seeing the screenshot on the right was, "Oh hey that looks like Jude in a long haired wig,"? Because I cannot unsee it at this point. >.>

Also I found the quote of " We don't know much more then that unfortunately, but we do know the game will be going for a more diverse set of situations and locations this time around. There will be locations ranging from cities of snow, to islands of perpetual summer," to be hilarious since the snow city and the desert city are both pretty much staples of Tales of games.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 07, 2015, 07:39:16 AM
There will be locations ranging from cities of snow, to islands of perpetual summer," to be hilarious since the snow city and the desert city are both pretty much staples of Tales of games.

Yeah and you know the desert city's going to have some faux arabic named like Al-Berzel and the snow city's going to be called something like Berrrrr.

re:  I still kind of want to play Rebirth because it fulfills my ~furry fantasies~ and has lovely pine trees, but on the otter hand I don't really get along well with Tales games (also pretend I stuck like thirty more furry puns in that).
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dincrest on June 07, 2015, 08:50:37 AM
It's just like when they interview Bollywood actors about their latest movie: They all say "it's different" or "it's the same, but different" when it's all just the same old rehashed formula of hammy overacting, boy and girl running around a tree, and songs that inexplicably cut to exotic locales.  

You know the PR people involved with a project will be selling it.  

I am semi-interested since it's a Tales game with a dedicated female protagonist (anyone who knows me knows I always choose or create a female protagonist in an RPG), though I get the feeling she'll just fall into the tsundere or tsundere sex kitten trap since Tales doesn't deviate too far from tropes.  That being said, I'm totally cool with tropey stuff done well.  After all, there are only a limited number of possible literary plots, right?   http://www.ipl.org/div/farq/plotFARQ.html

I remember creating a female protagonist in Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology, but the dialogue and all stayed the same as if I was a boy.  Like there was this one sidebar where Stahn wants to train with you instead of Rutee because he feels bad about hitting a girl.  And I'm like "You fool, I AM a girl!!!  Fucking cop out!"  That's why when I played Fate/Extra as a girl and my female familiar said something flirty as if I was a guy, I almost screamed "cop out!" until I saw the dialogue choices- one of them was "ummm, you know I'm a girl, right?"  I also liked the way that Wild Arms XF flipped the script.  Instead of a doofus guy being oblivious to the girl's crush on him, we had a self-righteous girl oblivious to the boy's crush on her.  Tradition with a twist.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Mickeymac92 on June 07, 2015, 08:55:52 AM
re:  I still kind of want to play Rebirth because it fulfills my ~furry fantasies~

Avatar Change...Activate!!!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: timmyFd on June 07, 2015, 08:59:58 AM
Lol "a diversity of situations and locations" is pretty standard business buzzword speak. I don't think I've ever played a single RPG that didn't have a diversity of situations and locations.

They could've at least thrown the word "eclectic" in there, noobs.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on June 07, 2015, 09:24:57 AM
So...this image from the RPGFan story.

(http://www.rpgfan.com/news/pictures2015/ToB-PS4-PS3-Ann-Init_002.jpg)

Am I the only one who's first thought on seeing the screenshot on the right was, "Oh hey that looks like Jude in a long haired wig,"? Because I cannot unsee it at this point. >.>

Despite Jude going through puberty and his adult body gaining some control over the hormones that were partly responsible with his obsession with Milla in the first place, his second final goodbye weighs heavy on his mind. After much consideration, he sees only one course of action: if he can't be with Milla, he will become Milla!

(I like ruining things for others :D )

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 07, 2015, 10:33:38 AM
Despite Jude going through puberty and his adult body gaining some control over the hormones...

The way you wrote that makes me think of some sort of Emeralda scene where he magically is bestowed with an adult body. This being Tales, that... sounds possible.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dincrest on June 07, 2015, 12:07:26 PM
I remember someone once saying "Emeralda grew up in Fei's pants" because of how the sprites looked.  

And as for the "Ber" motif, the desert town needs to have Berber people in it.  And if we're staying in Africa, Velvet can battle Somalian pirates. 

Yo, if there's a pirate theme I would hope there's some ship-to-ship battles or at least a pirate ship mini-game like that one part of Tales of Destiny in the boat.  

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on June 07, 2015, 12:18:59 PM
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And as for the "Ber" motif, the desert town needs to have Berber people in it.  And if we're staying in Africa, Velvet can battle Somalian pirates. 

And instead of Yggrasil or some other super important flora they should have a berberis shrubs. They can be, like, really big or something. Epic.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dincrest on June 07, 2015, 12:21:20 PM
Oh, and we need a massive battle royale of lady pirates:  Velvet, Faris, Ruby Heart, Anne Bonny, Mary Read...
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: timmyFd on June 07, 2015, 12:29:46 PM
........

(http://lparchive.org/Skies-of-Arcadia-Legends/Update%2026/45-027.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dincrest on June 07, 2015, 02:56:43 PM
Hence my ellipses.  The unspoken "etc" because it would take a lot of time and space to list everyone and I would definitely not remember everyone.  But yes, Aika can come to the party.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: timmyFd on June 08, 2015, 06:37:26 AM
Remember this story a while back people:
http://gematsu.com/2015/05/bandai-namco-trademarks-tales-berseria-orfellia-alestia-japan

They trademarked 3 names. The first of which turned out to be this game. Do we think either of the second 2 is also being made? Seems a bit weird to trademark something just out of sheer indecision.

I don't see why they haven't made an original game on the 3DS. It's got the install base, a fairly good JRPG audience and the Abyss port did fairly well. Are they getting money from Sony or something?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on June 08, 2015, 08:00:47 AM
Remember this story a while back people:
http://gematsu.com/2015/05/bandai-namco-trademarks-tales-berseria-orfellia-alestia-japan

They trademarked 3 names. The first of which turned out to be this game. Do we think either of the second 2 is also being made? Seems a bit weird to trademark something just out of sheer indecision.


They did pretty much exactly the same thing before announcing Zesteria
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: timmyFd on June 08, 2015, 08:14:13 AM
Is it free then? Or do they just have lazy-fucker money?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on June 08, 2015, 08:22:06 AM
Is it free then? Or do they just have lazy-fucker money?

Maybe they get a bulk discount
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: (Tunnels) on June 08, 2015, 10:21:30 AM
Remember this story a while back people:
http://gematsu.com/2015/05/bandai-namco-trademarks-tales-berseria-orfellia-alestia-japan

They trademarked 3 names. The first of which turned out to be this game. Do we think either of the second 2 is also being made? Seems a bit weird to trademark something just out of sheer indecision.


They did pretty much exactly the same thing before announcing Zesteria

I remember when they registered Zestiria, they also registered Zestias. I'm still waiting for Tales of Zesty-ass to be announced.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: timmyFd on June 08, 2015, 10:24:01 AM
Speaking of Zestiria, here's some weird "news":
http://nichegamer.com/2015/06/tales-of-zestiria-one-piece-pirate-warriors-3-are-rated-for-xbox-360/

Sounds like it must be a mistake to be honest.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 08, 2015, 06:11:44 PM
What if Tales of Berseria: Orfellia Alestia is just the full title?

also I keep imagining that "Berseria? Orfellia aLESTia!" is some deeply bawdy joke in a deeply impenetrable British accent.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Ranadiel on June 09, 2015, 06:44:04 AM
Is it free then? Or do they just have lazy-fucker money?
Registering trademarks is not free, but the cost of registering three trademarks versus one is fairly negligible for a multinational corporation. They probably spent less than $3,000 on all three. It is entirely possible that they filed intents to use for all three just before they started doing market research to see which name worked best just to make sure someone involved in the research didn't trademark the best name and increase the costs by forcing them to fight for the name.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: timmyFd on June 09, 2015, 06:16:24 PM
Registering trademarks is not free, but the cost of registering three trademarks versus one is fairly negligible for a multinational corporation. They probably spent less than $3,000 on all three. It is entirely possible that they filed intents to use for all three just before they started doing market research to see which name worked best just to make sure someone involved in the research didn't trademark the best name and increase the costs by forcing them to fight for the name.

Lol they should've done the market research before choosing those 3 rather than after.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on June 09, 2015, 07:50:00 PM
Registering trademarks is not free, but the cost of registering three trademarks versus one is fairly negligible for a multinational corporation. They probably spent less than $3,000 on all three. It is entirely possible that they filed intents to use for all three just before they started doing market research to see which name worked best just to make sure someone involved in the research didn't trademark the best name and increase the costs by forcing them to fight for the name.

Lol they should've done the market research before choosing those 3 rather than after.

Maybe they just wanted to play the name shell game, where you have three guesses but only one right answer (and no, looking up trademarks for the answer isn't going to work).
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on June 09, 2015, 07:52:47 PM
Registering trademarks is not free, but the cost of registering three trademarks versus one is fairly negligible for a multinational corporation. They probably spent less than $3,000 on all three. It is entirely possible that they filed intents to use for all three just before they started doing market research to see which name worked best just to make sure someone involved in the research didn't trademark the best name and increase the costs by forcing them to fight for the name.

Lol they should've done the market research before choosing those 3 rather than after.

Maybe all 3 are or were in development.
There's tons of games that never leave the prototype phase, and as such, we never hear about.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on June 10, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
Registering trademarks is not free, but the cost of registering three trademarks versus one is fairly negligible for a multinational corporation. They probably spent less than $3,000 on all three. It is entirely possible that they filed intents to use for all three just before they started doing market research to see which name worked best just to make sure someone involved in the research didn't trademark the best name and increase the costs by forcing them to fight for the name.

Lol they should've done the market research before choosing those 3 rather than after.

Maybe all 3 are or were in development.
There's tons of games that never leave the prototype phase, and as such, we never hear about.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/tokage32/Miscellaneous%20Game%20Screenshots/Console%20Games/Tales%20Series/Graces/f%20Arc/P5302933.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on June 11, 2015, 12:53:53 PM
So a finally high-res image has come arrived!  J-rock Vampire Milla/Jude/Rutee hybrid.
But at least her...shins... are well-guarded.

...ah well, at least there will be at least 10 DLC outfits (I'm trying to like it, but it looks as tacky as Milla's outfit).

(http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/tokkurin/imgs/1/4/14231a48-s.jpg)

Gematsu details: (http://gematsu.com/2015/06/first-details-tales-berseria-setting-protagonist)
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Velvet (Protagonist)

“I won’t give up. I’ll bite them as many times as it takes.”

In the wake of an incident that occurred three years ago, her life was completely changed. She is becoming an existence that greatly shakes the world.

The Midgand Sacred Kingdom, which consists of several large lands and countless groups of islands.

A world where ship handling and the art of sailing have advanced.

In the north and south of Midgand Sacred Kingdom in which the game is set, there is great variation in climate due to the land. (Harsh winters, everlasting summers, etc.)


Read more at http://gematsu.com/2015/06/first-details-tales-berseria-setting-protagonist#viGYQoZOHmjJa4iP.99

I'm still hyped for the new setting at least.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on June 11, 2015, 02:01:48 PM
Her pose is weird. Her hips want to go right but her boobs want to go left. Is her spine a noodle?

Also, those clothes are in no way functional. Damaged cape/coat? That's cool, I guess. Bandaged arm? I'm sure she got her reasons. Getting into a fight with a paper shredder? Bad idea.

The only way to make up for this is giving her a Captain Harlock costume. For free.

The setting better make up for this.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: timmyFd on June 11, 2015, 03:32:46 PM
Ahhh yes, the good old emo teenage girl who's been victim of assault. A timeless classic.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Hathen on June 11, 2015, 04:18:23 PM
I guess I can see what they were trying to do with the whole torn clothes look, but I'm pretty sure they could've achieved the same look without that much fanservice. Actually it's kind of contradictory to me to have a look which is supposed to imply she's hardened by adventuring but at the same time has several parts of her clothes where it looks like it's completely intact and clearly looks designed.

Also this seems to happen a lot, but I do like how in the art her facial expression says a lot about the type of character she'll probably be...but all that personality is nowhere to be seen on the actual 3D model.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on June 11, 2015, 05:30:14 PM
I guess I can see what they were trying to do with the whole torn clothes look, but I'm pretty sure they could've achieved the same look without that much fanservice. Actually it's kind of contradictory to me to have a look which is supposed to imply she's hardened by adventuring but at the same time has several parts of her clothes where it looks like it's completely intact and clearly looks designed.

Also this seems to happen a lot, but I do like how in the art her facial expression says a lot about the type of character she'll probably be...but all that personality is nowhere to be seen on the actual 3D model.

It seems like the Tales of Writers were fresh out of good female JRPG lead personalities (assuming they ever one to begin with), so they went with the first closest approximation they could find, FFXIII's Lightning.

Anyways, rather than repeat what I said about all this back in the Tales of Megathread, I'll just paraphrase these little nuggets of wisdom here....

It'll even have a full on female protagonist this time too
Code: [Select]
(for about an hour before leaving to get replaced by generic anime swordsman #84073 :V ).
Edit: Bonus points for making said female MC look like she's just coming back from a visit to the Senran Kagura-verse that went south for her.

(http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-ughh.gif)


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Her quote reads "I will not give up. No matter how many times they try, I'll devour them."

Velvet is apparently a female pirate, and themes of pirates and ships were shown during the short scenery video they played at the event.

Oh. So she's apparently a fan of dining on the blood of living Calamari (of the Kraken and Roper varieties). ♪Fifteen scraps of clothing on an undead woman's chest. Yo ho ho and a bottle of Tentacle Grape.♪ :V


I have no idea how I missed that this thread was here.

Well like Aeolus mentioned I think Velvet's outfit just looks...weird. Of course maybe that's because all I'm seeing are some low-quality pictures taken from god knows how far away.

TBF, there's not much to look at.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 11, 2015, 10:40:42 PM
Her pose is weird. Her hips want to go right but her boobs want to go left. Is her spine a noodle?

OH MY GOSH TOMARA noodle spine is a serious condition affecting millions of animes and they are very sensitive about their condition how could you be so cruel :((((

... I wonder if Orfellia and Alestia might be DLC packs or something. They sound like they could be character or continent names. That's be swell of them.

(... I should replay Eternia for that matter. I remember liking it and the characters not having that dingus-y quality that a lot of Tales characters have. Probably because a lot of the really dingusy moments were relegated to the skits that weren't in the US version. Like, normal game dialogue, they're totally reasonable and sane young adults, and then I was watching this /subbed skit/ video on youtube and it's just everyone jumping around and shouting about underwear.

Although I'm of the mindset that less-is-more can be a good approach to dialogue in general. I think my problem with tales skits in particular is that they're really separate from what you're doing in the game. So unlike FFIX's or SO2's people be off doin they thang events, it was just like, TEXT HAPPENING OUT OF NOWHERE).
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on June 17, 2015, 01:04:01 PM
http://gematsu.com/2015/06/first-look-tales-berseria?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

Protagonist is a transgender Jude wearing very little, but sailing amidst some colourful backgrounds!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Mickeymac92 on June 17, 2015, 01:06:34 PM
Mmmm, butifool
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dincrest on June 17, 2015, 01:17:50 PM
Her pose is weird. Her hips want to go right but her boobs want to go left. Is her spine a noodle?

OH MY GOSH TOMARA noodle spine is a serious condition affecting millions of animes and they are very sensitive about their condition how could you be so cruel :((((



Noodle spine made me laugh. 
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on June 21, 2015, 02:41:50 PM
http://gematsu.com/2015/06/tales-berseria-debut-trailer

A wild Berseria trailer approaches.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on June 21, 2015, 02:56:48 PM
http://gematsu.com/2015/06/tales-berseria-debut-trailer

A wild Berseria trailer approaches.

Basically moving screenshots.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on June 21, 2015, 04:38:48 PM
Nice boat.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on June 22, 2015, 10:36:46 AM
http://gematsu.com/2015/06/tales-berseria-debut-trailer

A wild Berseria trailer approaches.

Basically moving screenshots.

Meh. I was more interested in posting a clip of Jude's Sister's VAing to get a sense of what kind of characterization to expect. The results forecast a 60% chance of lifeless butt on a stick.


Now with that said: http://gematsu.com/2015/06/tales-berseria-trademarked-europe

Have an EU trademark.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on June 23, 2015, 03:29:49 AM
Her 'backstory' is apparently she was wonderfully cheerful till "the accident" happened.  Hopefully Tales magic wields itself to make her more fun loving as the game goes on; too many starring females got this "ice princess" thing going on.

Trademark isn't terribly surprising given the renewed support for the series (which is totally great); shame it wasn't around during the sort-of "golden age" of the series.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on June 23, 2015, 08:47:52 AM
With a pirate theme, if Bamco Nandai Island doesn't make a return, I'm gonna be soooooooooooo pissed.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Agent D. on June 23, 2015, 10:34:33 AM
With a pirate theme, if Bamco Nandai Island doesn't make a return, I'm gonna be soooooooooooo pissed.
Don't you mean Nam Cobanda Island?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on June 23, 2015, 10:41:37 AM
Namco Bandai says we can't call Bandai Namco Namco Bandai anymore, so Namcobanda Island isn't going to work :(

Quote
Her 'backstory' is apparently she was wonderfully cheerful till "the accident" happened.  Hopefully Tales magic wields itself to make her more fun loving as the game goes on; too many starring females got this "ice princess" thing going on.

Yeah, it sucks they started seeing ice princess as a synonym for strong female character. I'd rather have a female pirate Yuri, someone who looks like she's actually enjoying herself despite looking kinda darkish.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on June 23, 2015, 10:45:49 AM
With a pirate theme, if Bamco Nandai Island doesn't make a return, I'm gonna be soooooooooooo pissed.
Don't you mean Nam Cobanda Island?

It's been so long I'd forgotten the name, but yes.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on June 23, 2015, 01:02:56 PM
Namco Bandai says we can't call Bandai Namco Namco Bandai anymore, so Namcobanda Island isn't going to work :(

Yeah, it sucks they started seeing ice princess as a synonym for strong female character. I'd rather have a female pirate Yuri, someone who looks like she's actually enjoying herself despite looking kinda darkish.

I went crosseyed reading the first bit xD

And yeah a fem-Yuri would be original and amazing.

I'm still hopeful in the setting and new direction it might be taking.  I respect the Tales series changes itself in these well-paced baby steps, but it's a shame that (IMO and so far) Xillia and Zesty are more...low-tier Tales games.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on June 25, 2015, 05:56:58 PM
http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/?fn_mode=comments&fn_id=1391

Screenshots and information!

Looks like the Tales team is trying to really diversify the world through climate this time.  The north is getting colder and it's spreading (#GoTwinteriscoming), pirates taking up safe passages, and seasons a-r-r-r-r-r-e changing (haha see what I did there haha).
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Kevadu on June 25, 2015, 06:16:30 PM
The seasons may change but that outfit remains the same!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on June 25, 2015, 07:12:05 PM
The seasons may change but that outfit remains the same!

It's okay, you can change that for only $3.99!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on June 26, 2015, 01:41:41 AM
So we've got pirates, exploring and and upcoming ice-age? I like. I think I may actually be looking forward to this one (instead of the usual 'I'll play it when it's out').
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on June 27, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/?fn_mode=comments&fn_id=1391

Screenshots and information!

Looks like the Tales team is trying to really diversify the world through climate this time.  The north is getting colder and it's spreading (#GoTwinteriscoming), pirates taking up safe passages, and seasons a-r-r-r-r-r-e changing (haha see what I did there haha).

Oh joy. Looks like there will be more than one cold, lifeless, Tsundra for the game's Hero to fix/save.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on June 27, 2015, 02:35:09 AM
But J-rock pirate is the hero of the story. Does that mean she needs to love herself in order to thaw her frozen heart?

Hey, does anyone want to guess what 'the awful thing that happened is'? I kinda want to place my bet on 'sister died a tragic death' or maybe 'sister is in a coma'.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on June 27, 2015, 05:01:31 PM
But J-rock pirate is the hero of the story. Does that mean she needs to love herself in order to thaw her frozen heart?

Hey, does anyone want to guess what 'the awful thing that happened is'? I kinda want to place my bet on 'sister died a tragic death' or maybe 'sister is in a coma'.

(actually, I'd dig it if her boyfriend/fiancee is the comatose one -- that'd be a lot different... But that won't happen... And your assessment of it being a comatose relative sounds pretty spot on :P )
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 27, 2015, 08:41:38 PM
Tragic Thing: Her sister was locked away after a horrible accident and she doesn't have the $4.99 to unlock her BUT YOU DO!!!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on June 27, 2015, 10:46:59 PM
Tragic Thing: Her sister was locked away after a horrible accident and she doesn't have the $5.99 to unlock a costume of her BUT YOU DO!!!

FTFY


But seriously, from that description, the tragic thing that left her smile shoved firmly up her ass (and currently held up there with some kind of stick) was that her boyfriend was reportedly slain by a notorious dread pirate.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: DrGonzo on June 27, 2015, 11:02:25 PM
I just wonder how Namco comes up with these titles. I hope it runs more smoother than Zesteria which runs like poop apparently.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 28, 2015, 01:47:57 AM
Tragic Thing: Her sister was locked away after a horrible accident and she doesn't have the $5.99 to unlock a costume of her BUT YOU DO!!!

FTFY


But seriously, from that description, the tragic thing that left her smile shoved firmly up her ass (and currently held up there with some kind of stick) was that her boyfriend was reportedly slain by a notorious dread pirate.

... and for just $5.99, you can wear his preserved skin!

Just like in Kimba!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2015, 03:48:38 AM
https://youtu.be/Nw0iCYEavcU

Trailer is live!

Looks very Zesty.  We know why her left hand is mummified...sorta.  60fps is nice, oh, and CLAW SWORD COMBO
(https://giant.gfycat.com/LimpVibrantBoar.gif)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on December 15, 2015, 05:30:18 AM
Oh, female Albel Nox!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on December 15, 2015, 05:43:35 AM
...and the male lead is a goddamn shota.........Come on Alisha 2.0!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Alisha on December 15, 2015, 06:18:42 AM
i think the reason for the ice princess is that many writters don't know how to write a strong female character with emotion without her seeming weak. for much of tales of the abyss tear seemed strong to me then she confessed her love for luke and i face palmed. to me the best example of a strong female character with emotion is raquel from wild arms 4. and shes a rarity.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on December 15, 2015, 06:53:53 AM
Raquel was great and I loved her ending.
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Modern fiction often sees becoming a mother as a weakness because of old-fashioned ways of thinking claiming motherhood is the highest role a woman can achieve, but I think that's silly. In the short time she had left, Raquel not only managed to find what she found important, but also pass it on to others. And looking at how hard she fought, she more than deserved find her own happiness.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on December 15, 2015, 07:49:50 AM
That trailer brings me more worries than hype =/

EDIT: Ok, this is witty

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG1-C9HUIAAH8ET.png)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on December 15, 2015, 10:18:53 AM
Haha, my sister has the perfect middlename for this game. Berendina -> courageous, strong like bear.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: divingfalcons on December 15, 2015, 02:15:34 PM
Release date 2016. Groans. I kind of wish Namco would slow down on the series rather than annualise it. It looks really good though. Velvet looks cool but she's basically just a colder version of Milla from what I can tell.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: (Tunnels) on December 15, 2015, 06:24:20 PM
https://youtu.be/Nw0iCYEavcU

Trailer is live!

Looks very Zesty.  We know why her left hand is mummified...sorta.  60fps is nice, oh, and CLAW SWORD COMBO
(https://giant.gfycat.com/LimpVibrantBoar.gif)

I, for one, cannot wait for Tales of Bloodborne.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Agent D. on December 15, 2015, 07:32:03 PM
https://youtu.be/Nw0iCYEavcU

Trailer is live!

Looks very Zesty.  We know why her left hand is mummified...sorta.  60fps is nice, oh, and CLAW SWORD COMBO
(https://giant.gfycat.com/LimpVibrantBoar.gif)

I, for one, cannot wait for Tales of Bloodborne.
And now I remember that I need to go back to Zestiria....

The dark and gruesome feel is welcome for sure.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on December 15, 2015, 07:42:47 PM
I, for one, cannot wait for Tales of Bloodborne.

Looks more like Tales of RWBY to me.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on December 15, 2015, 08:50:44 PM
I, for one, cannot wait for Tales of Bloodborne.

Looks more like Tales of RWBY to me.

I'd put it closer to Tales of WishesitwasBayonetta.


Post Count Edit: Tales of BOOBpost anyone?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: (Tunnels) on December 15, 2015, 11:06:22 PM
I really hope the flashback (I'm assuming) outfit is available to unlock in-game for Velvet; I really dig it. Especially her long hair all done up in a braid.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2015, 11:08:24 PM
I, for one, cannot wait for Tales of Bloodborne.

Looks more like Tales of RWBY to me.

I'd put it closer to Tales of WishesitwasBayonetta.


Post Count Edit: Tales of BOOBpost anyone?

Congrats on your 8008ies, Aeo!

Anyways, I actually felt absolutely nothing for that trailer.  Here's hoping that's me jinxing myself right off the bat for when the game actually comes out.  But I dunno... this looks like so much more the same even by Tales standards --- oh except it's got a ridiculous-looking heroine with evil demon claw as a gimmick.  More swords, more knights, more semi-fantastic settings, more yelling and tragic backstories.  Which in and of itself isn't a bad thing, but the way the Tales studio is just throwing these games out there I'm not optimistic right now at all and Zesty (despite its best intention and good ideas) left a bad taste in my mouth.

Visually it's ships, a forest, a dungeon and the most obvious demon/angel allusion MCs ever.  Velvet is some hardcore woman in her tattered black and red demon costume and that boy literally looks like an angel with HALO HAIR and frock.

That one gif I posted shows the battle system will look flashy enough, but the environments already look like they'll be a vast amount of nothing to look at.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: ScottC on December 16, 2015, 03:25:57 AM
It's hard to get excited for a Tales game anymore.  They seem to be pumping them out like crazy and each one seems to have a notable decline in quality. I'll reserve judgement on this one though till we see more.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on December 16, 2015, 03:46:06 AM
Quote
Visually it's ships, a forest, a dungeon and the most obvious demon/angel allusion MCs ever.  Velvet is some hardcore woman in her tattered black and red demon costume and that boy literally looks like an angel with HALO HAIR and frock.

Oeh! Who wants to bet angel kid has a Meaningful Name(TM), like a funky spelling of faith or something? A new Hope!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on December 16, 2015, 10:38:58 AM
Looks more like Tales of RWBY to me.

11/10 would play every day until death maybe that's an exaggeration

But seriously, could you imagine that game?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on December 16, 2015, 12:51:35 PM
Looks more like Tales of RWBY to me.

11/10 would play every day until death maybe that's an exaggeration

But seriously, could you imagine that game?

Yes. Yes, I can.
Very easily at that.

(http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/418340/header.jpg?t=1448992766) (http://store.steampowered.com/app/418340/)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on December 16, 2015, 02:11:51 PM
Looks more like Tales of RWBY to me.

11/10 would play every day until death maybe that's an exaggeration

But seriously, could you imagine that game?

Yes. Yes, I can.
Very easily at that.

(http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/418340/header.jpg?t=1448992766) (http://store.steampowered.com/app/418340/)

Yeah............ that's not really like what Tales of RWBY would actually be.  In my head, that is.
I was thinking more RPG and less hack-n-slash.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: ironmage on December 16, 2015, 07:20:27 PM
So, we've got a heroine with an evil hand, which she keeps wrapped up, and this in a series called "Tales of", which roughly translates as "monogatari".   Coincidence?

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/bakemonogatari1645/images/1/1e/Horriblesubs-nisemonogatari-02-720p-mkv_snapshot_19-40_2012-01-15_07-32-46.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/320?cb=20150918024026) (http://bakemonogatari.wikia.com/wiki/Suruga_Kanbaru)

I wonder if Berseria-monogatari will include a tooth-brushing scene.

I consider the kid's "halo" hair to be a Very Bad Sign.  I mean, I'm not exactly expecting subtlety, but yow.  Maybe you could turn the symbolism down a notch.  I want to be optimistic, but that trailer didn't do me any favors.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on December 16, 2015, 08:40:11 PM
It's hard to get excited for a Tales game anymore.  They seem to be pumping them out like crazy and each one seems to have a notable decline in quality. I'll reserve judgment on this one though till we see more.

To be fair, I never really did. Phantasia was the one I was interested in back in 96, but that took years to leave Japan and between my experience with Symphonia, the yearly releases and looking at what trying to go through the series at that point in time (circa 04/05) would've entailed, I got turned off of the series real quick.


So, we've got a heroine with an evil hand, which she keeps wrapped up, and this in a series called "Tales of", which roughly translates as "monogatari".   Coincidence?

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/bakemonogatari1645/images/1/1e/Horriblesubs-nisemonogatari-02-720p-mkv_snapshot_19-40_2012-01-15_07-32-46.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/320?cb=20150918024026) (http://bakemonogatari.wikia.com/wiki/Suruga_Kanbaru)

I wonder if Berseria-monogatari will include a tooth-brushing scene.

I consider the kid's "halo" hair to be a Very Bad Sign.  I mean, I'm not exactly expecting subtlety, but yow.  Maybe you could turn the symbolism down a notch.  I want to be optimistic, but that trailer didn't do me any favors.


Don't jinx this anymore than it already is. I don't want to imagine Miss Desperately Needs a New Wardrobe brushing Shota Angel's teeth like he was her younger brother but not really, and in a forceful and almost violating way.

I'd much rather have this be a case of her Sword Arm twitching than anything on Bakemonogatari's level.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Andrew on December 16, 2015, 09:15:21 PM
It's hard to get excited for a Tales game anymore.  They seem to be pumping them out like crazy and each one seems to have a notable decline in quality. I'll reserve judgment on this one though till we see more.

I'm inclined to agree, but I was bored at work so I went back and assessed each entry on how I feel about them now. A strike-through indicates games I haven't played.

^ Tales of Symphonia
| Tales of Vesperia
| Tales of Graces
| Tales of Eternia
| Tales of Hearts
| Tales of Zestiria
| Tales of Phantasia
------------------------------------ (Above: Games I really enjoyed. Below: Games I really did not enjoy.)
| Tales of Xillia
| Tales of Xillia 2
v Tales of the Abyss*

Tales of Destiny, Tales of Destiny 2, Tales of Rebirth, Tales of Legendia, Tales of Innocence

*Yes, yes, I hate Abyss, it's the only one I never finished. I know, no one agrees with me.

Overall, I'd say it's a bit of a mix and that I don't actually prefer the older/middling ones over the newer ones. So, I guess that means I should be more interested in Beseria than I am? I'm pretty hesitant though, as much as I love Tales. Though I felt the same way about Zestiria and enjoyed it in the end, possibly just because the characters are infinitely better than Xillia.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on December 16, 2015, 09:51:00 PM
Did I write something about this before? I don't recall.
I'll use a simple format.

Tales of Phantasia - Yay
Tales of Destiny - Yay
Tales of Eternia - Yay
Tales of the Abyss - Meh
Tales of Symphonia - Nay
Tales of Vesperia - Yay
Tales of Graces F - Yay and Nay at the same time somehow
Tales of Xillia - Meh
Tales of Xillia 2 - Nay
Tales of Zestiria - Meh

Anything not there is not played.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on December 16, 2015, 11:55:43 PM
I like this!

Tales of Phantasia - Nay (too old, too dated; I liked it when it first came out though)
Tales of Destiny - Meh (the "R" version is where it's at, the PSX one is too slow nowadays too)
Tales of Eternia - Yay (love it; great world, fun game, gorgeous art, part of that 'cozy' series of PSX RPGs)
Tales of Symphonia - Yay (very fun, dated but it works)
Tales of the Abyss - Yay (that plot...!!)
Tales of Legendia - Nay (like...the music is good...but that's it)
Tales of Vesperia - Yay (beautiful, good cast, fun to wreck battle system)
Tales of Graces F - Yay (that battle system...!!)
Tales of Xillia - Meh (great plot, shittiest presentation)
Tales of Xillia 2 - Yay (addictive af)
Tales of Zestiria - Nay (it's just...so annoying to play, every part feels so restricted)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Alisha on December 17, 2015, 03:20:07 AM
im pretty sure the title berseria is a play on the word berserk so im sorta expecting the protag to be like claire in claymore.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on December 17, 2015, 04:10:59 AM
Based on my feelings when I played the games:
Tales of Destiny :)
Tales of Eternia :D
Tales of Phantasia :)
Tales of Symphonia :)
Tales of Legendia :/
Tales of the Abyss :D
Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology  :/
Tales of Vesperia :D
Tales of Symphonia 2 :/
Tales of Graces f :/ - :)
Tales of Xillia :)
Tales of Xillia 2 :)
Tales of Hearts R :)
Tales of Zestiria :)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on December 17, 2015, 09:36:34 AM
Hmm....

Tales of Eternia - Yay!
Tales of Symphonia - Yay!
Tales of Graces f - Yay!
Tales of Xillia - Very Yay!

I'm not a very harsh critic.  Aaaaaand my opinion seems to flow opposite of all the actual Tales fans here. :(
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on December 17, 2015, 09:49:04 AM
Hmm, no, I think yours make sense. Eternia, Symphonia and Graces are more or less archetype JRPGs. The JRPGs to end all JRPGs. Xillia has a bit more mature feel to it.

Plus, I'm pretty easy to please, too. I mean, sure, I'm going to whine and complain, but that's mostly because I'm so familiar with the series. I love the franchise and enjoy every installment.

... Though that might change if I ever play Tempest.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: DariaRPG on December 18, 2015, 03:19:23 PM

Yay: Phantasia, Vesperia, Eternia, Abyss
Meh: Destiny, Symphonia (I'm fully aware I may have just been in a bad mood for these)
Never played: The rest.


... I'm a bad Tales fan. But the games I loved, I REALLY loved. I just need to get around to playing more of them.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on December 21, 2015, 02:16:58 PM
http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/?fn_mode=comments&fn_id=1427
Tales of Berseria is coming overseas for, wait for it....PS4/PC only!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Alisha on December 22, 2015, 09:46:38 AM
appearently berseria takes place in the same world as zestiria but in the distant past.

http://www.siliconera.com/2015/12/22/tales-of-berseria-takes-place-in-the-past-world-of-tales-of-zestiria/
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on December 22, 2015, 11:21:11 AM
^ Well, that's kinda neat.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on December 22, 2015, 12:06:30 PM
So, does that mean this 'gomabayo disease' is like a variation of the effects of malevolence seen in Zestiria? That is interesting.

Some theories:
-The technological level in Berseria and Zesteria is very similar despite Zesty taking place over a thousand years in the future (I say thousand, because Ladylake was founded a thousand years prior to the game, IIRC, and the article says towns will be different, meaning Ladylake does not exist yet in Berseria). The reason for this is that the world went through several dark ages, like the Age of Chaos that Zestria takes place during. These not only stunted technological advances, but may have even set humanity back by hunderds of years.
-Humans can't use the power of nature for artes in Zestiria, only seraphim can. The Seirei are the (human) precursors of the seraphim.
-Velvet was infected with gomabayo, as were the people in the village she lived in. She lost control and killed many of the transformed villagers in self defence. Her sister was one of them. Velvet eventually regained control, because she is pure of heart (I managed not to barf while I wrote that). In fact, she shares many qualities with Shepards from the future. The pureness is what keeps the corruption at bay, allowing her to use her goma-powers in short bursts with limited consequences.
-Velvet's journey will eventually lead to the creation of seraphim and Shepards.

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on December 22, 2015, 12:15:23 PM
So, does that mean this 'gomabayo disease' is like a variation of the effects of malevolence seen in Zestiria? That is interesting.

Some theories:
-The technological level in Berseria and Zesteria is very similar despite Zesty taking place over a thousand years in the future (I say thousand, because Ladylake was founded a thousand years prior to the game, IIRC, and the article says towns will be different, meaning Ladylake does not exist yet in Berseria). The reason for this is that the world went through several dark ages, like the Age of Chaos that Zestria takes place during. These not only stunted technological advances, but may have even set humanity back by hunderds of years.
-Humans can't use the power of nature for artes in Zestiria, only seraphim can. The Seirei are the (human) precursors of the seraphim.
-Velvet was infected with gomabayo, as were the people in the village she lived in. She lost control and killed many of the transformed villagers in self defence. Her sister was one of them. Velvet eventually regained control, because she is pure of heart (I managed not to barf while I wrote that). In fact, she shares many qualities with Shepards from the future. The pureness is what keeps the corruption at bay, allowing her to use her goma-powers in short bursts with limited consequences.
-Velvet's journey will eventually lead to the creation of seraphim and Shepards.



Given the pretty predictable plots of these games, I wouldn't be surprised you're right on the money about a few of these points.  (Some fans already linked the connection since one white knight wears a similar outfit to a Zesty character; that and the anthropomorphic wolves).
Only one I'd dispute is the that Velvet is...pure of heart *gag* (haha); she's probably in a dark place and that stupid choir boy with halo hair will "fix her" or make her better or whatever. 
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on December 22, 2015, 12:33:47 PM
It seems more like Hope v2 doesn't have much of a personality, and Velvet will be the one teaching her about emotions. And while is in a dark place, remember that Zestiria had a genki assassin and the game happily bullshitted a reason for her to be pure-hearted. I bet Velvet is traveling the world the find forgiveness, but what she really needs to do is forgive herself, which she will be able to do thanks that angelic replacement goldfish (because I'm really sticking to the 'she accidently killed someone very important to her. Probably sister, because Frozen is a thing.')

Oh, and manages to make peace with herself just after beating the final boss. As a result, the gomabayo will leave her body and her arm will return to normal.

That arm is her albatross. That's why she's a pirate gal. Because The Rime of the Ancient Mariner is literally the only piece of English poetry the writer remembered from his high school days.

Edit: there's another reason to believe Velvet is a sweetheart at heart: her name is freakin' Velvet! This is a game from the company that thinks it's totally brilliant to name the woman who refills your HP Refill and her genius kid brother Genius. They didn't just pick the name because it sounds cool, but because it means something to the character in the most basic way. Velvet is a very soft and smooth fabric, meaning that Velvet is a big softy. Tsundere confirmed!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on December 22, 2015, 01:31:41 PM
Just scrolled past the last few posts with only a glance, so this may be irrelevant, but do keep in mind that Zesteria hasn't been out that long and not everyone has played it.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on December 22, 2015, 02:35:49 PM
Don't worry, I didn't talk about anything that went beyond the premise of Zestiria. Those posts might spoil Berseria, though XD
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on December 22, 2015, 08:18:06 PM
Welp! There it is. I for one, can't wait to play Tales of How Many References to the Previous Tales of Main Character Can We Shove Into This Title Because Nobody is Allowed on the Center Stage but Him.

And between our Heroine Female Lead(?) being slathered in Evil Juice and toting around a Mahou Shota Boy, in a distant prequel to the previous game with a 'can do no wrong' protagonist no matter the kind of shit he pulls (or doesn't even bother with), I can just guess how much of a clusterfuck this one's going to turn out (bonus points for Zesty's Equipment system, Artes selection, Dungeons and Camera being a massive clusterfuck, lackluster, dull as fuck and horrid respectfully).
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on December 22, 2015, 08:27:04 PM
Is there any joy in your life anymore, Aeolus?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on December 23, 2015, 02:56:35 AM
Complaining about Tales games is his joy in life.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on December 23, 2015, 05:03:08 AM
Is there any joy in your life anymore, Aeolus?

When my depression isn't acting up, I currently find myself having quite a bit of joy with an open-world game that will easily put the combined Tales of Ze Besty to shame.

Or in short....

Complaining about Tales games is his joy in life.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: danholo on December 28, 2015, 08:02:14 AM
So this game will use the same engine as Zestiria and will have a near identical battle system. It's based in the same world and reuse assets. Hmm... Tales of games are at a slump.

Zestiria was great fun and this will probably as well but Bandai could really use some time to polish these games to give them more detail. I felt Zestiria a bit short and rushed.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on February 11, 2016, 02:37:52 PM
http://gematsu.com/2016/02/tales-berseria-introduces-rokuro-eleanor

More patrons of Ms Velvet's Mild Ride.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on February 12, 2016, 12:47:09 PM
I'm really not feeling Berseria.
I might actually skip it.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on February 12, 2016, 01:15:11 PM
I'm really not feeling Berseria.
I might actually skip it.

I'm definitely really going to be feeling out import impressions.  As is, I "bought" Zesty day 1 because it was free and still haven't beat it.

Really wish this game was PS4 exclusive, Banco definitely demonstrates it wouldn't look bad (I know, different studios, but still)
(http://gematsu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Imas-PS4-Plat-Stars_01-26-16.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: missRPGirl on February 12, 2016, 03:44:51 PM
Anyone else feel like these Tales of games are coming out too soon? I'm buying all these Tales games before I can even finish them XD
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dincrest on February 12, 2016, 04:02:40 PM
How things have changed over the last 10-15 years.  I remember when Tales and Atelier games almost never made it across the pons, and now both series are ubiquitous.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on February 12, 2016, 06:36:36 PM
Anyone else feel like these Tales of games are coming out too soon? I'm buying all these Tales games before I can even finish them XD

This is basically business as usual (its more of less are getting left behind in Japan than anything). However, due to improving technology, increasing performance demands and general improvements made to the genre, its harder to justify cranking out such iterative titles on a yearly basis.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on February 21, 2016, 01:41:38 AM
I'm pretty excited about Berseria... I haven't played Zestiria yet but I've made some progress through Xillia 2 which is pretty fun, and nearly finished Xillia 1.

I can't really ever remember not enjoying Tales of-... was thinking about Eternia the other day.. .. =-) =-) Which by the way I totally didn't know was Eternia at the time and always thought of it was Destiny 2.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on February 21, 2016, 01:56:12 AM
Feel like Tales has nailed the art of intro/trailer things as well as anyone

Eternia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D2FE_U-XCo

Xillia 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xGPj4Cj66E

And of course Berseria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw0iCYEavcU

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on February 25, 2016, 02:07:36 AM
http://gematsu.com/2016/02/tales-berseria-details-rokurou-eleanor-arte-links-souls-more

New deets on some more characters. After Zesty, I feel that Eleanor is going to be the Flynn to Velvet's Yuri and not particularly playable. Also sounds like they might have found a means to addressing CC's standing around waiting for the bar to charge problem (whether it actually works or not is the question).
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on March 10, 2016, 02:36:28 PM
http://gematsu.com/2016/03/tales-berseria-introduces-magileux-bienphu

A Bogus Witch huh. "Hold on a sec! Let me look something up my skirt."

Also the requisite mascot character.... "Hold on! Let me look up her skirt." (https://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/d/0/cripes.001.gif)

(Note: the above are not actual translations of anything within that page.)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on March 10, 2016, 02:42:49 PM
Goddammit Daigo Okumura has an obsession with anxiety-causing bangs.

I mean, remember Chronos?  He basically had the fundamentals for a braid without a hairtie:
(http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/tox_chronos_01_thumb.jpg)

Whatever, cute enough, but that mascot....  We need another Repede.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on March 10, 2016, 02:58:31 PM
Oh my god! The pattern is multiplying! It's Checkers Mk. II, now with more fabric* but less bounce!

*I'm not entirely sure there is in fact more fabric. Or clothes for that matter. Are books a skirt?

Quote
Whatever, cute enough, but that mascot....  We need another Repede.

By now, I'm willing to settle for a Quickie.

... I think that came out wrong.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on March 10, 2016, 03:27:45 PM


Quote
Whatever, cute enough, but that mascot....  We need another Repede.

By now, I'm willing to settle for a Quickie.

... I think that came out wrong.

lol!!!  I'd love another Quickie too xD
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on March 10, 2016, 03:29:39 PM
Oh my god! The pattern is multiplying! It's Checkers Mk. II, now with more fabric* but less bounce!

*I'm not entirely sure there is in fact more fabric. Or clothes for that matter. Are books a skirt?

Quote
Whatever, cute enough, but that mascot....  We need another Repede.

By now, I'm willing to settle for a Quickie.

... I think that came out wrong.

Ehh. She comes off as more of a Patches than a Checkers mk2. Now watch her be superior to Checkers in every way short of Item Creation.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on March 10, 2016, 05:17:10 PM


Quote
Whatever, cute enough, but that mascot....  We need another Repede.

By now, I'm willing to settle for a Quickie.

... I think that came out wrong.

lol!!!  I'd love another Quickie too xD

Calm down, you two.

TBH, I'm surprised it's taken us til 2016 to see a book-skirt.  It's the next logical step from belt-dress.

I'm personally looking forward to picture frame hair ornaments.  Those are going to be some KAWAAAAIIIIII character designs with those....
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dincrest on March 10, 2016, 08:13:32 PM
Bookskirt reminded me of when I was talking about JNCO jeans with the oversized back pockets that you could fit an iPad in and Mesh put the idea in my head that iPants could become a thing. 

So Bookskirt made me chuckle about iPants. 

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on March 14, 2016, 12:57:16 AM
http://gematsu.com/2016/03/tales-berseria-third-trailer

A new trailer.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on April 07, 2016, 11:00:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JEPnhMz.jpg?1)

Ho Shit!  Them frosted yellow tips look familiar.  New[ish?] character: Eizen.
More importantly, voiced by legendary anime, game (and Tales veteran) voice actor: Toshiyuki Morikawa!
Voice of Dhaos, Yuan, and Sephiroth (amongst many, many more).


Also, games release date will be revealed April 13.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Andrew on April 07, 2016, 11:16:37 PM
He looks like a male version of Edna. And that is not a bad thing at all.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on April 07, 2016, 11:39:12 PM
He looks like a male version of Edna. And that is not a bad thing at all.

Basically my first thought as well .... <3
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on April 08, 2016, 01:59:25 AM
He looks like a male version of Edna. And that is not a bad thing at all.

Basically my first thought as well .... <3

Here's hoping he'll shout "What the heck!?!" or its closest Japanese equivalent at some point during the game (preferably when somebody starts casting Indignation).
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on April 08, 2016, 04:36:40 AM
Cool trailer.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Lian_Kazairl on April 08, 2016, 09:33:33 AM
I must admit, the party members they've revealed so far are making me a lot more interested in the game. Doesn't hurt that they're pretty much all better dressed than Velvet too. XD
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on April 09, 2016, 04:09:23 AM
Well I'm looking forward to it, one way or another. I think in general the Tales Games still manage to capture best what I like about a lot of older RPGs like, uh, well, Tales, but even something like Suikoden or Breath of Fire or countless others that sort of fell by the wayside and no longer are around essentially.

I think that's just interesting combat, interesting characters, interesting settings and worlds, like, the full experience.

Edit: Well, and Xeno and others I mean in general it's just one of the ones that's still around and kicking, sort of undiminished, which is nice!


Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on April 15, 2016, 07:55:38 PM
I agree and I think it's why I've liked the games for so long... but i have to admit their quality is really slipping, or the short turn-around before a new announcement is really starting to hurt these games.

http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/?fn_mode=comments&fn_id=1455
More screens and everyone's menu shot. 
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on April 16, 2016, 12:40:43 AM
I don't really understand why it feels like they are in this hurry to push out games, although I don't know if that's actually true.

Plus some of it was the consequence of porting and such like Tales of Graces coming to PS3 after being Japan only.

I kind of wish they'd do that with Vesperia though actually.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on April 16, 2016, 02:42:17 AM
I don't really understand why it feels like they are in this hurry to push out games, although I don't know if that's actually true.

Plus some of it was the consequence of porting and such like Tales of Graces coming to PS3 after being Japan only.

I kind of wish they'd do that with Vesperia though actually.

Because the Tales of Series is the JRPG equivalent to other yearly franchises like Madden, Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed. Feels like them too, when the largest changes between games are the names, the theme and some feature creep in the mechanics. Of course, due to rising costs and lengthening dev cycles, Bandai has been trying to find ways to save money and cut costs so that they can continue to release the series yearly and produce some kind of profit from the IP in a timely manner. But lately (and especially with Zestria), the feature creep has started to turn into feature bloat, while the clichs and traditions have choked up the writing to the point of inducing plot arthritis which in turn is making it harder to develop new games at the same speed and efficiency as before without either preforming a serious formula overhaul, or turning out something that feels like an even more hollow find/replace regurgitation than usual (which is what happened with Zesty, they tried to jazz it up but botched the overhaul because they ignored the plot arthritis in regards to Alisha and were really heavy handed on the skills and forging mechanics).

I suppose that a simpler way to look at it is with games like Tales of Links or Tales of the World subseries or Tales of VS. Also known as games that exist solely to further cash in on the existence of the Tales of Series and its characters. You also have Tales of Characters in games like Project X Zone, that one Wii Soul Calibur hack and slash game, anime and pachislots, and many more locations. And it stands to reason that having more games, means more characters, which means more reasons to produce yet another one of the above to include those new characters into. And if they produce more characters yearly, they can produce more spinoffs yearly, and more new anime yearly, and by doing this year after year, they can keep the same teams doing the same job without needing to take a break or find some other work to work on, and by keeping the same people working the same jobs, they can do so at the same level of pay and with the same resources and not have to spend money on restructuring or repurposing anything or anybody. And thus the circle of business continues.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on April 16, 2016, 04:17:40 AM
I still just feel like the Tales series just reminds me of what is fun about playing games, I feel like media a lot of the times now seems to need to fit some kind of crazy category like be super epic or this or that, but there aren't really so much fireworks it's just a fun adventure, making friends, whatever, it just makes me feel good and have fun.

Also while titles like Eternia certainly stood out, some of the recent entries like Xillia 2 have been as fun or possibly even more fun than other Tales games I can remember. I don't think I was ever as big a Symphonia fan as others for ex.

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on April 22, 2016, 11:56:57 PM
^ Definitely why I play I think.  It's cozy, like an old slipper.  That said, I still think Zesteria was an awful game to play.  I keep turning back to Graces though.

Anyways, early 2017[!] date (POLISH THAT SHIT UP, BANCO)
And a new producer is in, perfect if you think Baba was the reason for the recent slump[?] the series was in.
I just noticed the choir boy (I don't know his name and at this point I'm too lazy to look it up) has WHITE colouring at the end tips of his hair.... spoiler? I'm guessing it's a non-subtle seraphim thing or whatever i dunno.

http://blog.talesofgame.com/en/the-battle-system-gets-a-new-feature-in-tales-of-berseria-and-check-out-eizens-and-eleanors-battle-styles/
Cool screens and art and battle deets here.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on April 23, 2016, 01:05:05 AM

Anyways, early 2017[!] date (POLISH THAT SHIT UP, BANCO)
And a new producer is in, perfect if you think Baba was the reason for the recent slump[?] the series was in.
I just noticed the choir boy (I don't know his name and at this point I'm too lazy to look it up) has WHITE colouring at the end tips of his hair.... spoiler? I'm guessing it's a non-subtle seraphim thing or whatever i dunno.

http://blog.talesofgame.com/en/the-battle-system-gets-a-new-feature-in-tales-of-berseria-and-check-out-eizens-and-eleanors-battle-styles/
Cool screens and art and battle deets here.

Eleanor is looking pretty posh.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on April 23, 2016, 02:20:03 AM
^ Definitely why I play I think.  It's cozy, like an old slipper.  That said, I still think Zesteria was an awful game to play.  I keep turning back to Graces though.

Anyways, early 2017[!] date (POLISH THAT SHIT UP, BANCO)
And a new producer is in, perfect if you think Baba was the reason for the recent slump[?] the series was in.
I just noticed the choir boy (I don't know his name and at this point I'm too lazy to look it up) has WHITE colouring at the end tips of his hair.... spoiler? I'm guessing it's a non-subtle seraphim thing or whatever i dunno.

http://blog.talesofgame.com/en/the-battle-system-gets-a-new-feature-in-tales-of-berseria-and-check-out-eizens-and-eleanors-battle-styles/
Cool screens and art and battle deets here.

Eleanor is looking pretty posh.

I for one, can't wait for it to be revealed that she's in your party for all of one dungeon before she goes all Flynn on Velvet's Yuri.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on April 23, 2016, 08:23:57 AM

I for one, can't wait for it to be revealed that she's in your party for all of one dungeon before she goes all Flynn on Velvet's Yuri.

Double entendre?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on April 23, 2016, 09:55:37 AM

I for one, can't wait for it to be revealed that she's in your party for all of one dungeon before she goes all Flynn on Velvet's Yuri.

Double entendre?

I figured there was a dirty joke in there somewhere, but no. Not intentional.

Code: [Select]
Or was it....? //8-}
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on May 04, 2016, 10:33:15 PM
http://gematsu.com/2016/05/tales-of-berseria-details-world-savior-prison-island-pirate-ship-introduces-teresa-oscar

Pardon the double post, but we've finally gotten an explanation as to Velvet's choice of fashion.

Also antagonists and a pirate ship.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on May 05, 2016, 03:13:03 AM
Okay, prison, sure, but why not steal some actual clothes instead of accessoirising your current rags with more rags?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on May 05, 2016, 08:51:49 AM
I'm just going to have go all anti-mainstream opinion but I honestly think her outfit is super cute.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Lian_Kazairl on May 05, 2016, 10:50:45 AM
Okay, prison, sure, but why not steal some actual clothes instead of accessoirising your current rags with more rags?

Clearly, because bewbs. :P No seriously. If her outfit is supposed to be the tattered remains of her prison uniform, I too am finding it really difficult to understand why she wouldn't just grab some new duds, unless it was because the person who designed her wanted to show as much skin as possible. It creates one of those weak explanations along the same line as FFXV's bare-chested Gladiolus wearing "battle attire" that really is just a smokescreen for "we wanted to make them look sexy." 
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on May 05, 2016, 10:54:46 AM
Okay, prison, sure, but why not steal some actual clothes instead of accessoirising your current rags with more rags?

It looked more like she replaced her previous outfit with the first thing she found because anything would be an improvement over the remains of the thing you've been wearing when everything tanked and you were tossed into a hole 3 years ago. I'm just ensaddened by the fact that she settles on that even after jailbreaking because it looks like civvy apparel in this setting is actually not totally insane and/or lifeless (plus it seems that female PCs are doomed to rags and bookskirts).
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on May 06, 2016, 09:18:44 AM
...a smokescreen for "we wanted to make them look sexy." 

It would honestly be way less demeaning if they just confessed to that.

I'm just going to have go all anti-mainstream opinion but I honestly think her outfit is super cute.


I'd agree if she cut off the ragged bits.  She honestly looks like a hobo with fancy hair.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on May 06, 2016, 11:24:37 AM
Does anyone know the release date yet on this? I think we still only have the JP release.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: divingfalcons on May 06, 2016, 04:53:20 PM
 Early 2017 in the West. (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2016/4728.html) That's about it.

I'm glad we're not getting this game this year. Zestiria, upon reflection, was really disappointing even if it was fun. Annualization has killed the joy of this series for me a little. And I love pirates in RPGs, but I'm not totally sold on the whole game just yet. Aside from Velvet and Eizen, the cast seem a little meh, and nothing about the game stands out.

I think I'll still pick it up. Tales is my comfort food RPG series.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on May 06, 2016, 06:27:17 PM
Early 2017 in the West. (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2016/4728.html) That's about it.

I'm glad we're not getting this game this year. Zestiria, upon reflection, was really disappointing even if it was fun. Annualization has killed the joy of this series for me a little. And I love pirates in RPGs, but I'm not totally sold on the whole game just yet. Aside from Velvet and Eizen, the cast seem a little meh, and nothing about the game stands out.

I think I'll still pick it up. Tales is my comfort food RPG series.

Yeah, this is definitely a 'wait for impressions' case before considering buying.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on May 06, 2016, 08:16:31 PM
Early 2017 in the West. (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2016/4728.html) That's about it.

I'm glad we're not getting this game this year. Zestiria, upon reflection, was really disappointing even if it was fun. Annualization has killed the joy of this series for me a little. And I love pirates in RPGs, but I'm not totally sold on the whole game just yet. Aside from Velvet and Eizen, the cast seem a little meh, and nothing about the game stands out.

I think I'll still pick it up. Tales is my comfort food RPG series.

"Comfort food RPG" is totally spot on. x)
Xillia 1 and 2 were a little better when I replayed them, but it still had its issues.  Zesteria I just flat out couldn't finish; I got so annoyed with trying to make progress in that game with an equipment system from hell, the troll-toll (https://youtu.be/OR4zefzP7d0?t=103) to use quick travel, and a pretty mild plot even when it tried to be exciting.  I really wish Sorey and Mikleo were a canon couple; it probably would have been the most exciting thing to happen in the game.... ah well, literally the best thing I can think of from Zesty was getting Go Shiina back to compose a few tunes.

Velvet in Beseria looks like she's basically pulling a Tales version of Lightning.  Hopefully skits can lighten her up.  Given how transparent the demon/angel thing is between her and the main kid though, I haven't set the bar very high.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on May 06, 2016, 08:33:05 PM
Oh ok, I best be finding something else then rather than be waiting for that!

Yeah Tales Of is just one JRPGs that I think are really great even if most people haven't heard of em or whatever, like um... Radiata stories or something gosh I really liked that game but most people don't know about it em as much.

Edit: Well except here, =-)

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Rook on May 07, 2016, 05:33:38 AM
So Xillia 2 is worth playing? From the reviews I read it sounded like there isn't much of a story + mega-grinding so you can get enough money to advance to the next stage of the game.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on May 08, 2016, 07:32:45 PM
So Xillia 2 is worth playing? From the reviews I read it sounded like there isn't much of a story + mega-grinding so you can get enough money to advance to the next stage of the game.

Well I guess I can give my opinion, which is that Xillia 2 definitely has a lot going for it because even though you are focused on the kind of repayment plan thing, the story is unique because of all the choices you get to make during it which is pretty unusual for a Tales game.

I wouldn't say much more because I haven't actually beaten it myself, but everything I encountered has been pretty positive.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Andrew on May 08, 2016, 08:52:19 PM
Xillia was a waste of time, Xillia 2 was a bigger waste of time. Not worth it unless you loved the first one. If you did, you'll probably also enjoy the second. If not, you'll feel like you wasted your money. :P

The choices gimmick is pretty superficial for the most part and the story/characters are extremely bland, some of the worst in the series IMO. There's a couple of good plot twists, but that's about it. If you haven't played Zestiria, skip straight to that. A lot of people weren't too keen on it either, but I thought it was miles ahead of Xillia.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on May 08, 2016, 10:47:51 PM
Xillia was a waste of time, Xillia 2 was a bigger waste of time. Not worth it unless you loved the first one. If you did, you'll probably also enjoy the second. If not, you'll feel like you wasted your money. :P

The choices gimmick is pretty superficial for the most part and the story/characters are extremely bland, some of the worst in the series IMO. There's a couple of good plot twists, but that's about it. If you haven't played Zestiria, skip straight to that. A lot of people weren't too keen on it either, but I thought it was miles ahead of Xillia.

Well I happened to really like Xillia so maybe you can think of whether you like the first one as reason to play the second.

As for the choices I haven't played it a second time so I don't know what they affect or not, I kind of enjoy it regardless (though I'm pretty sure at least a few are actually impactful)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Lian_Kazairl on May 08, 2016, 11:16:53 PM
I don't know that I'd call either Xillia or Xillia 2 a waste of time. That honor really should go to Graces, because it takes pretty much the entire game for the characters to realize something the player figures out in the first 5-10 hours. That's not to say that Xillia/Xillia 2 are amazing games, though. Both have their fair share of problems, the most egregious of which IMHO are the huge, bland areas, and in Xillia 1's case, a plot that has ultimately been done before even within the Tales of series. I really found the characters to be endearing, though (Alvin and Leia are my precious babies); one of the best things about Xillia 2 was having the entire Xillia 1 cast back and seeing how they've grown and gel so well together. Xillia 2's plot is also surprisingly dark at times, on par with Abyss in terms of some of the messed up shit that happens.

Oh, and about the debt repayment mechanic, it's really only a problem if you want to get the joke ending associated with paying the whole thing off. You can easily make the payments required to advance the plot by simply saving the giganto monster fights (which reward you with a lot of gald) for when you need to make a payment.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Rook on May 08, 2016, 11:55:10 PM
I did like Zillia (say a 7.5/10) but I hadn't played a tales game since Symphonia and was in the mood for one. However usually when i complete a Tales game I'm burned out on the series for a while. So maybe I'll pick Zillia 2 up if Sony has a flash sale or just wait for Berseria. 
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on May 09, 2016, 03:29:43 PM
I own Xillia 2 and have yet to play it.  Xillia 1 was AWESOME though.  Sure the story was "meh" but I loved the characters and the combat.  The Colosseum was some of the most fun adrenaline-pumping gaming I've done in a good long while.

Won't be getting Berseria, though...
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on May 09, 2016, 09:59:38 PM
I own Xillia 2 and have yet to play it.  Xillia 1 was AWESOME though.  Sure the story was "meh" but I loved the characters and the combat.  The Colosseum was some of the most fun adrenaline-pumping gaming I've done in a good long while.

Won't be getting Berseria, though...

Any reason why? Seems a bit too early to call it out.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on May 10, 2016, 10:19:53 AM
Not a fan of the content.  Generally, if I see "demons" and the like, I'm out.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on May 10, 2016, 10:40:08 AM
I own Xillia 2 and have yet to play it.  Xillia 1 was AWESOME though.  Sure the story was "meh" but I loved the characters and the combat.  The Colosseum was some of the most fun adrenaline-pumping gaming I've done in a good long while.

Won't be getting Berseria, though...

You liked the Xillia 1 Colosseum where enemies kept tossing you out of the arena for an instant loss?
Personally, I'd go for Vesperia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qALhG3bFaVo&feature=youtu.be&t=22)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Rucks on May 10, 2016, 10:40:22 AM
Not a fan of the content.  Generally, if I see "demons" and the like, I'm out.

^ fits the profile.  and explains why you don't like SMT.

Do you also avoid castlevania?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on May 10, 2016, 10:44:26 AM
I own Xillia 2 and have yet to play it.  Xillia 1 was AWESOME though.  Sure the story was "meh" but I loved the characters and the combat.  The Colosseum was some of the most fun adrenaline-pumping gaming I've done in a good long while.

Won't be getting Berseria, though...

You liked the Xillia 1 Colosseum where enemies kept tossing you out of the arena for an instant loss?
Personally, I'd go for Vesperia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qALhG3bFaVo&feature=youtu.be&t=22)

Agreed, mostly because the Vesperia arena gave us Estelle's Magical Maiden costume
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on May 10, 2016, 10:54:58 AM
Agreed, mostly because the Vesperia arena gave us Estelle's Magical Maiden costume

Well, that and you get to see all your friends/foes again and then some of my favorite cameos.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on May 10, 2016, 01:23:55 PM
Not a fan of the content.  Generally, if I see "demons" and the like, I'm out.

^ fits the profile.  and explains why you don't like SMT.

Do you also avoid castlevania?

Sure do.  I miss out on some pretty great (in terms of gameplay) games, but ultimately I have so many great games to choose from I don't really get hung up on it.
I'll be honest, content-wise I've played (and enjoyed) some games that skirt really close to this line for me, but when it comes to creative works of art I try to focus more on the intent of the artist(s), as well as my principles, when it comes to deciding if I'm ok with the content or not.  In the case of Berseria, they're very clearly intending to utilize occult themes to drive the story, so it crosses that line.  Whereas something like Xillia can use the term "spirits" but the actual definition of what those are is very ambiguous and unrelated to anything overtly "occult", so I gave it a pass.

You liked the Xillia 1 Colosseum where enemies kept tossing you out of the arena for an instant loss?


Yeah, that certainly led to some frustration, but it also contributed to an exciting sense of danger and strategy in each battle.  Even if I was clearly better than the opponents, I still needed to be careful about my moves and positioning.  It was so gratifying to win the hardest fights with each character!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Rucks on May 10, 2016, 02:14:40 PM
^ your vetting process sounds exhausting
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on May 10, 2016, 02:35:56 PM
^ your vetting process sounds exhausting

LOL
It kinda just happens naturally, for me.  Despite it, I have a Play Queue with almost 150 games on it, so I'm not exactly hurting for options.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on May 10, 2016, 02:39:52 PM
^ your vetting process sounds exhausting

LOL
It kinda just happens naturally, for me.  Despite it, I have a Play Queue with almost 150 games on it, so I'm not exactly hurting for options.

You should play SMT: Nocturn Diablo 2 Persona 4 Street Fighter 4 Demon Master Chris Doom Ragnarok Online Deux Ex... Ah! There you go!
One of these isn't exactly like the others...
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on May 10, 2016, 02:51:55 PM
Hm, whenever the world's get crazy with the magic and non generic spirits though is usually a bonus from my end.

I mean Castlevania is one of my top series for sure.

Have to respect the man who not only knows his desires but also the ability to respect others and their interests though.

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on May 10, 2016, 03:23:14 PM
Street Fighter 4
One of these isn't exactly like the others...
Ha ha!  I'm like "What's occult about Street Fighter?" but I guess you're thinking of Akuma?

Deux Ex

Did I mention I don't really play any M-rated games or games with lots of guns/shooting, either? :P
Sometimes I'll make a rare exception, though (like in the case of something like Read Only Memories where I simply cannot for the life of me figure out why it's got an M rating).

Have to respect the man who not only knows his desires but also the ability to respect others and their interests though.

I'm used to being scoffed at for applying principles to entertainment, so thanks for that.  Not that said scoffing isn't totally understandable, especially with this hobby.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Rucks on May 10, 2016, 03:55:15 PM
^ I'm only impressed because you haven't mentioned religion (and aren;t trying to shove it in anyones face). 

Principles without a pulpit shouldn't bother anyone.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on May 10, 2016, 04:03:38 PM
Ha ha!  I'm like "What's occult about Street Fighter?" but I guess you're thinking of Akuma?

Yup

Deux Ex

Did I mention I don't really play any M-rated games or games with lots of guns/shooting, either? :P

Dang... errr... Grandia 2 Devil May Cry 2 Warcraft 2 System Shock 2 Quake 2 Overlord 2 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2 !

You don't have anything against Jedis, right?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on May 10, 2016, 04:24:31 PM
Ha ha!  I'm like "What's occult about Street Fighter?" but I guess you're thinking of Akuma?

Yup

Deux Ex

Did I mention I don't really play any M-rated games or games with lots of guns/shooting, either? :P

Dang... errr... Grandia 2 Devil May Cry 2 Warcraft 2 System Shock 2 Quake 2 Overlord 2 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2 !

You don't have anything against Jedis, right?

In the case of Akuma, sometimes I can simply ignore/overlook part of a game that plays with those themes if a) it's not central to the game, and b) I enjoyed the series in my childhood.  Some people might cry "double standard" at that second one, but the fact is that this is all subjective, and nostalgia makes me more subjective than I would otherwise be.  I try to be consistent, though.

But tell me: why is Grandia 2 crossed out?

Also, no, I have no problem with Jedi. :P

Principles without a pulpit shouldn't bother anyone.
Shouldn't, but sometimes just having different standards can make people uncomfortable enough to say something.  But really, just about everyone has lines they won't cross for the sake of entertainment.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on May 10, 2016, 04:36:49 PM
But tell me: why is Grandia 2 crossed out?

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/grandia/images/f/ff/Granas_vs_Valmar_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090626103904)

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/grandia/images/4/42/Melfice_express.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090622090202)

(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/grandia/images/9/9a/Valmar.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090622072325)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on May 10, 2016, 04:57:49 PM
But tell me: why is Grandia 2 crossed out?

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/grandia/images/f/ff/Granas_vs_Valmar_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090626103904)

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/grandia/images/4/42/Melfice_express.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090622090202)

(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/grandia/images/9/9a/Valmar.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090622072325)

Pizza murals, dudes with horn helmets, and a dragon?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on May 10, 2016, 05:08:14 PM
But tell me: why is Grandia 2 crossed out?

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/grandia/images/f/ff/Granas_vs_Valmar_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090626103904)

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/grandia/images/4/42/Melfice_express.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090622090202)

(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/grandia/images/9/9a/Valmar.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090622072325)

Pizza murals, dudes with horn helmets, and a dragon?

Grandia 2 is a thinly veiled tale of God and the Devil with one character becoming a demon by taking in evil.
Of course there are plot twists, but I'm not going to spoiler that here.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on May 11, 2016, 07:19:09 PM
As far as "skit programming" goes, Tales of Berseria's are looking pretty fancy
https://youtu.be/gqyXKztX3i4
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on May 11, 2016, 07:29:03 PM
As far as "skit programming" goes, Tales of Berseria's are looking pretty fancy
https://youtu.be/gqyXKztX3i4

OK, I had a pretty low opinion of the game, but this is putting me back into "I wanna buy it" territory.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on May 11, 2016, 10:36:37 PM
As far as "skit programming" goes, Tales of Berseria's are looking pretty fancy
https://youtu.be/gqyXKztX3i4

OK, I had a pretty low opinion of the game, but this is putting me back into "I wanna buy it" territory.

Just as long as there are more than 12 of them and aren't all hidden behind something arbitrary like sleeping at a specific inn right after something goes down (or however Zesty did it).
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Andrew on May 11, 2016, 11:26:28 PM
Vesperia, Symphonia and others were just as guilty of that. Though they did have more of them and you didn't have to get to a save point, at least.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on May 12, 2016, 12:24:33 PM
But tell me: why is Grandia 2 crossed out?

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/grandia/images/f/ff/Granas_vs_Valmar_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090626103904)

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/grandia/images/4/42/Melfice_express.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090622090202)

(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/grandia/images/9/9a/Valmar.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090622072325)

Pizza murals, dudes with horn helmets, and a dragon?

Grandia 2 is a thinly veiled tale of God and the Devil with one character becoming a demon by taking in evil.
Of course there are plot twists, but I'm not going to spoiler that here.

Crap, I just bought it on Steam sale like two weeks ago...
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on May 12, 2016, 01:23:14 PM
Crap, I just bought it on Steam sale like two weeks ago...

Meh, I'd say give it a try.
Maybe the veil is thick enough for you to be OK with it.

It's a great game.
Do it for Tio!

(http://www.phantomcastle.it/phantom/GrandiaKingdom_file/Grandia2/Artworks/Tio4.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on May 12, 2016, 02:24:34 PM
^ Is she some kind of cute robot?

We'll see about it.  I'll start it, either way, since I already own it, but I may drop it if it bugs me.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on May 12, 2016, 02:55:08 PM
^ Is she some kind of cute robot?

We'll see about it.  I'll start it, either way, since I already own it, but I may drop it if it bugs me.

Yes. Yes she is.

And Grandia games are meant to be played for their gameplay (since even at their best, their plots aren't that hot).
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on May 12, 2016, 02:57:05 PM
^ Is she some kind of cute robot?

We'll see about it.  I'll start it, either way, since I already own it, but I may drop it if it bugs me.

Yes. Yes she is.

And Grandia games are meant to be played for their gameplay (since even at their best, their plots aren't that hot).

Cute robots win the day for me, every time.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on May 16, 2016, 12:44:21 AM
I never played Grandia, missed out on it somehow.

I keep thinking one day... but I'd have no idea where to start.. plus I get this suspicion whatever it offered was covered by something else I played, I don't know, Granstream Saga? Breath of Fire 3? Somethin....

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on May 16, 2016, 02:08:35 AM
I never played Grandia, missed out on it somehow.

I keep thinking one day... but I'd have no idea where to start.. plus I get this suspicion whatever it offered was covered by something else I played, I don't know, Granstream Saga? Breath of Fire 3? Somethin....

Those games are absolutely nothing like a Grandia game (seriously, Granstream Saga!? that game was among the nadir of bad 2D to 3D conversions; and BoF3 is a pure turn based JRPG).

Grandia games are in short, an evolution on the Lunar games' characters and enemies moving around a battlefield style gameplay, with the main addition being an ATB like gauge that's shared by every character and enemy on the field. The key feature of this function is that characters/enemies placement and rate of travel along the timer bar is dependent largely on their speed and the charge time of their action or movement with no trace of a classic style 'turn based' separation of turns. Further distinguishing this feature is the fact that with good timing and the appropriately used move, a character/enemy can have their turn delayed or outright canceled.

Its a really unique system that's only been revisited beyond the Grandia series recently, as in Child of Light recently.

As for where to start, Grandias 1 and 2 are basically it. Grandia 3 has better gameplay, but the story's the worst, Parallel Trippers is a GameBoyColor game and not even available outside of Japan, and Xtreme is basically a dungeon crawler.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on May 16, 2016, 02:28:51 AM
I never played Grandia, missed out on it somehow.

I keep thinking one day... but I'd have no idea where to start.. plus I get this suspicion whatever it offered was covered by something else I played, I don't know, Granstream Saga? Breath of Fire 3? Somethin....

Those games are absolutely nothing like a Grandia game (seriously, Granstream Saga!? that game was among the nadir of bad 2D to 3D conversions; and BoF3 is a pure turn based JRPG).

Grandia games are in short, an evolution on the Lunar games' characters and enemies moving around a battlefield style gameplay, with the main addition being an ATB like gauge that's shared by every character and enemy on the field. The key feature of this function is that characters/enemies placement and rate of travel along the timer bar is dependent largely on their speed and the charge time of their action or movement with no trace of a classic style 'turn based' separation of turns. Further distinguishing this feature is the fact that with good timing and the appropriately used move, a character/enemy can have their turn delayed or outright canceled.

Its a really unique system that's only been revisited beyond the Grandia series recently, as in Child of Light recently.

As for where to start, Grandias 1 and 2 are basically it. Grandia 3 has better gameplay, but the story's the worst, Parallel Trippers is a GameBoyColor game and not even available outside of Japan, and Xtreme is basically a dungeon crawler.

Ok so Lunar then. =-)

Lunar was pretty turn based though... IMHO... like when you started talking about the move based elements I had honestly forgotten them entirely I think I may have ignored them the entire game.. maybe.. it's been awhile.

Not that I still won't try it.. but yeah... that's kind of my concern that something like Lunar has already kind of... well... another JRPG, a good one perhaps but still.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on May 16, 2016, 03:09:35 AM
I never played Grandia, missed out on it somehow.

I keep thinking one day... but I'd have no idea where to start.. plus I get this suspicion whatever it offered was covered by something else I played, I don't know, Granstream Saga? Breath of Fire 3? Somethin....

Those games are absolutely nothing like a Grandia game (seriously, Granstream Saga!? that game was among the nadir of bad 2D to 3D conversions; and BoF3 is a pure turn based JRPG).

Grandia games are in short, an evolution on the Lunar games' characters and enemies moving around a battlefield style gameplay, with the main addition being an ATB like gauge that's shared by every character and enemy on the field. The key feature of this function is that characters/enemies placement and rate of travel along the timer bar is dependent largely on their speed and the charge time of their action or movement with no trace of a classic style 'turn based' separation of turns. Further distinguishing this feature is the fact that with good timing and the appropriately used move, a character/enemy can have their turn delayed or outright canceled.

Its a really unique system that's only been revisited beyond the Grandia series recently, as in Child of Light recently.

As for where to start, Grandias 1 and 2 are basically it. Grandia 3 has better gameplay, but the story's the worst, Parallel Trippers is a GameBoyColor game and not even available outside of Japan, and Xtreme is basically a dungeon crawler.

Ok so Lunar then. =-)

Lunar was pretty turn based though... IMHO... like when you started talking about the move based elements I had honestly forgotten them entirely I think I may have ignored them the entire game.. maybe.. it's been awhile.

Not that I still won't try it.. but yeah... that's kind of my concern that something like Lunar has already kind of... well... another JRPG, a good one perhaps but still.

What I was trying to say is that there really wasn't anybody doing what Grandia did (to much befuddlement), until Child of Light came out about a year or two ago, and even then it really didn't quite accomplish the replication. Even Lunar is a different beast because it was its direct predecessor in terms of developers, not gameplay engine.

Or in short, you're safe. Just play one and enjoy.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on May 17, 2016, 09:52:25 PM
I never played Grandia, missed out on it somehow.

I keep thinking one day... but I'd have no idea where to start.. plus I get this suspicion whatever it offered was covered by something else I played, I don't know, Granstream Saga? Breath of Fire 3? Somethin....

Those games are absolutely nothing like a Grandia game (seriously, Granstream Saga!? that game was among the nadir of bad 2D to 3D conversions; and BoF3 is a pure turn based JRPG).

Grandia games are in short, an evolution on the Lunar games' characters and enemies moving around a battlefield style gameplay, with the main addition being an ATB like gauge that's shared by every character and enemy on the field. The key feature of this function is that characters/enemies placement and rate of travel along the timer bar is dependent largely on their speed and the charge time of their action or movement with no trace of a classic style 'turn based' separation of turns. Further distinguishing this feature is the fact that with good timing and the appropriately used move, a character/enemy can have their turn delayed or outright canceled.

Its a really unique system that's only been revisited beyond the Grandia series recently, as in Child of Light recently.

As for where to start, Grandias 1 and 2 are basically it. Grandia 3 has better gameplay, but the story's the worst, Parallel Trippers is a GameBoyColor game and not even available outside of Japan, and Xtreme is basically a dungeon crawler.

Ok so Lunar then. =-)

Lunar was pretty turn based though... IMHO... like when you started talking about the move based elements I had honestly forgotten them entirely I think I may have ignored them the entire game.. maybe.. it's been awhile.

Not that I still won't try it.. but yeah... that's kind of my concern that something like Lunar has already kind of... well... another JRPG, a good one perhaps but still.

What I was trying to say is that there really wasn't anybody doing what Grandia did (to much befuddlement), until Child of Light came out about a year or two ago, and even then it really didn't quite accomplish the replication. Even Lunar is a different beast because it was its direct predecessor in terms of developers, not gameplay engine.

Or in short, you're safe. Just play one and enjoy.

Well I was never against playing it for giggles even if it was overly similar, at any rate.

I saw Iwadare was doing the OST.. he's pretty choice.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on June 18, 2016, 04:21:05 AM
http://gematsu.com/2016/06/tales-berseria-introduces-shigure-melchior-first-dlc-costumes

And the DLC's already on its way. 3 bux for some goddamn clothes for Velvet. -_-
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on June 18, 2016, 02:03:32 PM
I once bought an actual set of real, wearable clothes for less than 3.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on June 18, 2016, 03:15:29 PM
I once bought an actual set of real, wearable clothes for less than 3.

lol!! xD

I can't say I have but I have expensive tastes (and yes I'm poorer for it).

http://gematsu.com/2016/06/tales-berseria-introduces-shigure-melchior-first-dlc-costumes

And the DLC's already on its way. 3 bux for some goddamn clothes for Velvet. -_-

Whatever, I'll dish the extra $3 because at least she doesn't wear hobo tatters.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on June 26, 2016, 05:29:18 PM
So I guess I might be getting this for PC, that'll be different I assume.

Also still enamored with the outfit mostly, I guess I just differ from a lot of gamers that said there are definitely cuter "Sexy outfits" the one that just popped up on RPGfan for this game being a pretty decent example.

I think her hair styling contributes more to the "wild effect" than the clothes personally.

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on July 11, 2016, 12:43:25 PM
I seriously just want this game to figure out who triangle pink hat girl is... wish it was coming out sooner.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: danholo on July 13, 2016, 08:20:07 AM
Based on the latest trailer, I have high hopes for this entry. Won't be importing this time around - no time or money. Will have a blast next summer with this one, though.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on July 21, 2016, 06:48:06 PM
http://gematsu.com/2016/07/tales-berseria-details-artorius-seres-code-red-daemon-hunting

More side-characters/sidequests.

Also, nice pallet swap/haircut Lailah (I bet you dyed your hair that color to enable you to move 3 times faster).

Also also, I think I know who gave Velvet Demon-Arm-pies.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on July 22, 2016, 02:33:00 AM
Looks like Berseria is sticking to traditions and we'll be able to save the world by punching a silver-haired pretty boy (okay, man) in the face.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on July 22, 2016, 10:38:52 PM
http://gematsu.com/2016/07/tales-berseria-details-artorius-seres-code-red-daemon-hunting

More side-characters/sidequests.

Also, nice pallet swap/haircut Lailah (I bet you dyed your hair that color to enable you to move 3 times faster).

Also also, I think I know who gave Velvet Demon-Arm-pies.
This is Velvet, correct:

(http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/Tales_of_Berseria/art-002.jpg)
Here's the thing, based on the screenshots of the game I have seen, it looks like she's a melee character.  All of her alternate costumes, additionally show even more skin than this get up.  What the fuck?  I like fan service as much as the next guy, but her outfit really annoys me.  She should be wearing something far more practical for combat.  If she was, the alternate costumes wouldn't bother me as much.

Seriously, she can be dressed sexy and practically at the same time if that's the developer's goal.  This costume isn't it.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on July 22, 2016, 11:24:16 PM
I'm still sticking by it... I think her stuff is pretty cute. I think the alt costumes are probably a bit better but it's just you know, cute.

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on July 23, 2016, 01:23:29 AM
http://gematsu.com/2016/07/tales-berseria-details-artorius-seres-code-red-daemon-hunting

More side-characters/sidequests.

Also, nice pallet swap/haircut Lailah (I bet you dyed your hair that color to enable you to move 3 times faster).

Also also, I think I know who gave Velvet Demon-Arm-pies.
This is Velvet, correct:

(http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/Tales_of_Berseria/art-002.jpg)
Here's the thing, based on the screenshots of the game I have seen, it looks like she's a melee character.  All of her alternate costumes, additionally show even more skin than this get up.  What the fuck?  I like fan service as much as the next guy, but her outfit really annoys me.  She should be wearing something far more practical for combat.  If she was, the alternate costumes wouldn't bother me as much.

Seriously, she can be dressed sexy and practically at the same time if that's the developer's goal.  This costume isn't it.

While not much of an excuse, it's surprising better than what she had before that...

(http://gematsu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/ToB_07-21-16_004.jpg)

Which in turn started out as this (hard to find a decent shot of this one)...

(http://gematsu.com/gallery/cache/tales-of-berseria/july-21-2016/Tales-of-Berseria_2016_07-21-16_002.jpg_600.jpg)

Not that she's the only offender of the sensibly dressed dress code...

(http://gematsu.com/gallery/cache/tales-of-berseria/march-17-2016/Tales-of-Berseria_2016_03-17-16_074.jpg_600.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on July 23, 2016, 04:42:21 PM
So strange... I had a dream last night where I was like "You know what... Zestiria must of been on the weakest Tales games ever"

Like I was afraid of admitting it to myself, but all the Berseria joy finally made me realize the obvious, and my subconscious gave way at a weak moment.

Sorry Zesty =-/
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Alisha on July 28, 2016, 08:06:17 PM
for me it's hard to get worse than vesperia, wich too me is the weakest tales game i've played. i fell asleep multiple times playing vesperia. also the recently shown dlc outfits for velvet are terrible. hopefully she gets some gender swap outfits like milla had.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on July 28, 2016, 09:06:08 PM
for me it's hard to get worse than vesperia, wich too me is the weakest tales game i've played. i fell asleep multiple times playing vesperia. also the recently shown dlc outfits for velvet are terrible. hopefully she gets some gender swap outfits like milla had.

Yeah, I have no idea how they did it, but they somehow managed to hit upon a vein of fashion worse than literal rags (like maybe if some of those outfits weren't a size or two too small, then they'd at least be boring yet functional).

One thing I'm definitely marveling at is that it looks like her base outfit kept the same goddamn stockings that she was wearing pre-timeskip. Of all the goddamn things to try to salvage from those scraps (and hell, she might have kept the underwear too). Like seriously, did she just come up with that top and jacket (and a couple of Nomura approved random belts) and called it a day?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on July 31, 2016, 07:55:25 AM
In spite of Velvet's horrible costume choices, I am still feeling a buzz about this game.  If this game is close to as good as it looks, I think I will be in for a treat.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on July 31, 2016, 10:45:42 PM
I can't believe how over the top and crazy silly this game is looking... sorry but I'm still pretty hyped, possibly based Tales game inc.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on August 03, 2016, 06:32:56 PM
Do you know what you guys are going to be playing this on? I think I would of gone with PS3 ordinarily but since it's not for that system...
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on August 10, 2016, 08:29:04 AM
http://gematsu.com/2016/08/tales-berseria-dlc-catalog-03-trailer-screenshots

The Tales of References DLC. Velvet's choice was about as surprising as a dry bologna sandwich, the others are a bit more so (also lol at shota's pick for underlining the relative lack of shotas in Tales of games).

Also something something, totally not Idolm@ster, something....
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on August 10, 2016, 10:11:12 AM
Velvet is slowly getting closer to wearing actual clothes. Good for her. And look, she even brushed her hair!

Eleanor is looking cute as Natalia, but that's the type of outfit nearly every female Tales of character can pull off, so no surprise there.

Poor Eizen, though, Hubert's outfit looks good on exactly no one, not even Hubert!

I'm not sure where they were going with Laphicet. I didn't even recognise that as Richard outfit at first.

...

Is it me or did they go with a thigh-high boots and stockings theme for this set? There's so much wrong with that...

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on August 10, 2016, 11:02:55 AM

I'm not sure where they were going with Laphicet. I didn't even recognise that as Richard outfit at first.


I initially thought it was a gender swapped Elise costume.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Spoony Mage on August 10, 2016, 07:58:37 PM
Was never a fan of Rutee's outfit...or her character for that matter.  I suppose it's better than wearing (virtually) nothing for Velvet.  Would have preferred Mary's outfit, though, if we're going to do a ToD dlc.  :P

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on August 10, 2016, 10:17:14 PM
Was never a fan of Rutee's outfit...or her character for that matter.  I suppose it's better than wearing (virtually) nothing for Velvet.  Would have preferred Mary's outfit, though, if we're going to do a ToD dlc.  :P



I like how when it was all sprites the only way to know what the character looked like was to check the manual and stuff like that.

Although I guess you kinda sorta knew... that like Phillia was more conservative than Rutee, but not, precisely how, perhaps.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on August 10, 2016, 10:21:51 PM
Nah, you could see just how ridiculous her outfit looked even as far back as the game itself thanks to the menus including portraits down to their waists. Nevermind the various games shes been/cameo'd in.


Was never a fan of Rutee's outfit...or her character for that matter.  I suppose it's better than wearing (virtually) nothing for Velvet.  Would have preferred Mary's outfit, though, if we're going to do a ToD dlc.  :P

And while I don't mind Rutee or her outfit that much (there's always worse, see also: Velvet or Milla), I will concur that Mary had the superior outfit (in that she had something resembling a functional outfit).
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on August 10, 2016, 10:37:27 PM
Nah, you could see just how ridiculous her outfit looked even as far back as the game itself thanks to the menus including portraits down to their waists. Nevermind the various games shes been/cameo'd in.


Was never a fan of Rutee's outfit...or her character for that matter.  I suppose it's better than wearing (virtually) nothing for Velvet.  Would have preferred Mary's outfit, though, if we're going to do a ToD dlc.  :P

And while I don't mind Rutee or her outfit that much (there's always worse, see also: Velvet or Milla), I will concur that Mary had the superior outfit (in that she had something resembling a functional outfit).

Oh yeah I guess I vaguely remember that.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on August 11, 2016, 03:09:41 AM
The thing that I've noticed about Velvet's alternate costumes is how they all show off her body.  Yes, we get it, she's cute.  That doesn't mean you have to constantly put her on display!  Seriously, how about giving her a practical costume perchance?  These alternate costumes are still way better than her canon outfit, though.  I fucking hate what she's wearing.  The outfit is so fucking awful, she'd be better off nude.

The other part that bothers me about the clothes she's given is that if the goal is for her to be sexy, they can do that without being so in your face with some if the costume choices.  I think with some imagination, you can pull off sexy and somewhat practical.  For instance, they can put her in clothing that hugs her form while also providing protection when going into combat.

One last note on her main costume.  They are little more than rags.  When looking at some of the screenshots, it seems that at some point she was a captive of someone and escaped.  If that is the case, wearing them for a while makes sense.  Unfortunately it looks like she'll be wearing them for the entire game, which is insane.  She should wear something more practical.  Also, for what it's worth; Rutee's outfit, while also impractical, is at least an improvement over Velvet's regular costume.  Much better.  Hell, so is the magical outfit they put on Velvet.  At least they aren't rags.

I want to repeatedly dope slap the character designer who came up with Velvet's costume.  As guilty as he or she is, though, it's whoever greenlighted the design that really sticks in my craw.  I want to give that person a large dose of instant sunshine.

Did I mention how much I utterly loathe Velvet's outfit?

I do like the idea of legacy outfits, though.  They're a nice homage to the classic Tales games of ages past.  Hopefully, Namco Bandai will offer a discounted bundle for the costumes when the game crosses over from the Pacific.  In any case, it's definitely a way for them to nickel and dime their customers for content that has no practical gameplay benefit.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on August 11, 2016, 03:45:24 AM
Quote
The thing that I've noticed about Velvet's alternate costumes is how they all show off her body.  Yes, we get it, she's cute.  That doesn't mean you have to constantly put her on display!  Seriously, how about giving her a practical costume perchance?

There's one cosplay costume I'd love to see her in, something that would be absolutely perfect, and that would be Emeraldas.

(http://astrophos.com/itunes/queen-emeraldas2.jpg)

Sure, it's never going to happen, but a girl can dream...
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on August 16, 2016, 02:41:48 AM
Hm, opening cinematic looks pretty good!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: JohnA on October 08, 2016, 01:55:57 PM
Western release dates have been revealed! January 24 for North America and January 27th for Europe. Along with a limited quantity collector's edition.

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2016/5408.html
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: divingfalcons on October 08, 2016, 03:28:10 PM
Three weeks before Persona 5.

Oh boy.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Der Jermeister on October 08, 2016, 04:12:18 PM
On my birthday (Jan. 24) no less.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: eightbitsamurai on October 08, 2016, 04:31:08 PM
I know Hathen mentioned it when this thread was first opened, but I still can't get over that fucking outfit.

If IF do buy it, I'll be swapping her out into a DLC outfit the minute I get access to the menus. And I almost always save outfits for my second playthrough of any particular RPG.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on October 08, 2016, 06:12:09 PM
Western release dates have been revealed! January 24 for North America and January 27th for Europe. Along with a limited quantity collector's edition.

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2016/5408.html

Annnddd its gone.

Not that it was worth it with that price tag...


I know Hathen mentioned it when this thread was first opened, but I still can't get over that fucking outfit.

If IF do buy it, I'll be swapping her out into a DLC outfit the minute I get access to the menus. And I almost always save outfits for my second playthrough of any particular RPG.

Better still, switch her to her starting villager outfit which is a hell of a lot better than most anything else available to her, DLC or not.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: JohnA on October 08, 2016, 08:34:35 PM
Online it is, but it is still available to pre-order in-person at Gamestop as of today.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: eightbitsamurai on October 08, 2016, 08:40:11 PM
Western release dates have been revealed! January 24 for North America and January 27th for Europe. Along with a limited quantity collector's edition.

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2016/5408.html

Annnddd its gone.

Not that it was worth it with that price tag...


I know Hathen mentioned it when this thread was first opened, but I still can't get over that fucking outfit.

If IF do buy it, I'll be swapping her out into a DLC outfit the minute I get access to the menus. And I almost always save outfits for my second playthrough of any particular RPG.

Better still, switch her to her starting villager outfit which is a hell of a lot better than most anything else available to her, DLC or not.

Didn't know that existed, but sick, now I don't even have to spend money!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Ranadiel on October 08, 2016, 10:56:49 PM
I feel like I should probably be upset over this limited edition selling out before I even heard about it (seriously 10k production size?), but I'm not feeling any anger over this. I guess I'm still feeling very meh after Vesperia? I seriously do not get why I dislike that game so much. >.> Oh well. Not sure if I am going to try and preorder in person or not. I am going to need to go to Gamestop to get a Volcanion sometime soon after all.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on October 09, 2016, 12:22:33 AM
I feel like I should probably be upset over this limited edition selling out before I even heard about it (seriously 10k production size?), but I'm not feeling any anger over this. I guess I'm still feeling very meh after Vesperia? I seriously do not get why I dislike that game so much. >.> Oh well. Not sure if I am going to try and preorder in person or not. I am going to need to go to Gamestop to get a Volcanion sometime soon after all.

I keep finding that so odd because I generally feel pretty 'meh' about Tales games as a whole and yet Vesperia is among my top ten favorite JRPGs.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Nel_Annette on October 09, 2016, 02:18:28 AM
A bit miffed that the damn thing sold out before I'd even heard they announced the release date. I got the special editions for Symphonia Chronicles and Zestiria, so I would have pre-ordered this one too. 10,000? Really? Didn't the other two have more?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Ranadiel on October 09, 2016, 06:48:24 AM
I feel like I should probably be upset over this limited edition selling out before I even heard about it (seriously 10k production size?), but I'm not feeling any anger over this. I guess I'm still feeling very meh after Vesperia? I seriously do not get why I dislike that game so much. >.> Oh well. Not sure if I am going to try and preorder in person or not. I am going to need to go to Gamestop to get a Volcanion sometime soon after all.

I keep finding that so odd because I generally feel pretty 'meh' about Tales games as a whole and yet Vesperia is among my top ten favorite JRPGs.
Wait did I say Vesperia? That is like the one Tales game I haven't played. I meant.. Xilia....wait no that is wrong again. Okay time to check the box because I have either blocked it from my memory or just forgotten. *checks* Zesteria! God damn that took longer than it should have. >.>
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on October 09, 2016, 08:12:29 AM
A bit miffed that the damn thing sold out before I'd even heard they announced the release date. I got the special editions for Symphonia Chronicles and Zestiria, so I would have pre-ordered this one too. 10,000? Really? Didn't the other two have more?
That's indeed a low production run for a high profile game.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Ranadiel on October 09, 2016, 10:13:51 AM
A bit miffed that the damn thing sold out before I'd even heard they announced the release date. I got the special editions for Symphonia Chronicles and Zestiria, so I would have pre-ordered this one too. 10,000? Really? Didn't the other two have more?
Just checked my edition numbers and Sumphonia collections had 18k and Zesteria has 20k. I do not immediately see numbers on the boxes for Xilia 1 or 2.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on October 09, 2016, 10:32:49 AM
A bit miffed that the damn thing sold out before I'd even heard they announced the release date. I got the special editions for Symphonia Chronicles and Zestiria, so I would have pre-ordered this one too. 10,000? Really? Didn't the other two have more?

Welcome to Bandai's business model of catering to otaku with money.

And again, the preorder bonuses suck harder than the other two. No statues of any characters this time (just two Nedos, one of those Atlus CDs with like 5 tracks on it, an early game strategy guide similar to the one that was packed in with Secret of Mana's Instruction Manual way back when, a super short 4koma manga, a couple of 8-bit keychains (when has Tales of ever been 8-bit?), a set of 'trading' cards, and a fancier case).

Not worth $100 bux, let alone $150.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on October 09, 2016, 10:50:11 AM
A bit miffed that the damn thing sold out before I'd even heard they announced the release date. I got the special editions for Symphonia Chronicles and Zestiria, so I would have pre-ordered this one too. 10,000? Really? Didn't the other two have more?

Welcome to Bandai's business model of catering to otaku with money.

And again, the preorder bonuses suck harder than the other two. No statues of any characters this time (just two Nedos, one of those Atlus CDs with like 5 tracks on it, an early game strategy guide similar to the one that was packed in with Secret of Mana's Instruction Manual way back when, a super short 4koma manga, a couple of 8-bit keychains (when has Tales of ever been 8-bit?), a set of 'trading' cards, and a fancier case).

Not worth $100 bux, let alone $150.

Amen. Xillia CE was $80 and came with a nice artbook and quality 1/8 figure.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Nel_Annette on October 09, 2016, 01:13:32 PM
Welcome to Bandai's business model of catering to otaku with money.

And again, the preorder bonuses suck harder than the other two. No statues of any characters this time (just two Nedos, one of those Atlus CDs with like 5 tracks on it, an early game strategy guide similar to the one that was packed in with Secret of Mana's Instruction Manual way back when, a super short 4koma manga, a couple of 8-bit keychains (when has Tales of ever been 8-bit?), a set of 'trading' cards, and a fancier case).

Not worth $100 bux, let alone $150.

Yeah, now that I've actually looked at the other stuff in the bundle, I don't feel as bad. That is way too much money for things that aren't anywhere near as interesting as the other CE's got.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on October 10, 2016, 02:29:41 PM
http://gematsu.com/2016/10/tales-berseria-collectors-edition-pre-order-bonuses-announced-europe

And now for the EUs (http://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/4/a/retrogames.001.gif)

Though IIRCXC, this only puts it up to around $120~130 American Funbux, which is still a better deal in spite of being short a couple of cheap feelies.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Nel_Annette on October 11, 2016, 07:25:58 PM
GameStop made the Collector's Edition available for preorder again, if anyone's interested.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Ranadiel on October 11, 2016, 09:02:38 PM
GameStop made the Collector's Edition available for preorder again, if anyone's interested.
Thanks for the heads up. After reviewing the contents again though I think I am going to pass. Probably should get to preordering the normal edition now though.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on October 12, 2016, 09:26:08 AM
My wife finally started a 2-player playthrough of Graces f with me.  The dream has come true!

Although she does that thing where she doesn't let the characters finish talking before skipping through the dialogue.  I growl at her every time, but she remains unfazed.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on October 12, 2016, 03:02:40 PM
Yeah still my #1 JRPG to look forward to be honest, I mean, maybe it's not FF9 or something but yeah more than SO more than just about everything, more than most anime..
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: thetrueelec on October 12, 2016, 05:23:26 PM
Letting everyone say the dialogue takes too long if you do it all the time, skipping it once you've read it i the only way to play.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on October 13, 2016, 10:22:07 AM
Letting everyone say the dialogue takes too long if you do it all the time, skipping it once you've read it i the only way to play.

HEATHEN!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on October 13, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
I mean, we're talking about the plot of Graces F.
Nothing of value there \_(ツ)_/
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Frostillicus on October 13, 2016, 10:43:56 AM
Letting everyone say the dialogue takes too long if you do it all the time, skipping it once you've read it i the only way to play.

Amen. I can read pretty fast, and waiting for people to speak the lines I've already read wastes time. I almost always check for a subtitle option when starting a game that has voice acting/cut scenes, so I can hopefully move it along.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on October 13, 2016, 10:47:49 AM
But they put so much effort into the voice acting.....   T____T
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: eightbitsamurai on October 13, 2016, 11:13:28 AM
Letting everyone say the dialogue takes too long if you do it all the time, skipping it once you've read it i the only way to play.

Amen. I can read pretty fast, and waiting for people to speak the lines I've already read wastes time. I almost always check for a subtitle option when starting a game that has voice acting/cut scenes, so I can hopefully move it along.

I've cut literal hours out of some of my game-time with RPGs just by skipping the dialogue, I'm sure. It was my biggest pet-peeve with Mass Effect 3, all the regular convos/cutscenes that got replaced with weird eavesdropping conversations that I had to sit through after have already read the dialogue 10 seconds before they finished speaking a sentence.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on October 13, 2016, 11:47:14 AM
But they put so much effort into the voice acting.....   T____T

If it's any consolation, Arvis, I'm with you on this one. Unless I've already seen the cutscene 'cause I'm stuck on a bit after it (or because the cutscene freezes in the same place three times in a row thank you very much trails of cold steel)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on October 13, 2016, 12:08:03 PM
But they put so much effort into the voice acting.....   T____T

If it's any consolation, Arvis, I'm with you on this one. Unless I've already seen the cutscene 'cause I'm stuck on a bit after it (or because the cutscene freezes in the same place three times in a row thank you very much trails of cold steel)

I feel consoled. :)

When I was a kid, I would "voice act" all the lines out loud myself.  It was awesome when the games started taking care of that for me.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on November 02, 2016, 03:16:46 AM
I caught a costumes DLC trailer, I gotta say I enjoy them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H797eQowMyY
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on December 06, 2016, 01:13:51 PM
A wild Berseria appears!

(http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/429660/header.jpg) (http://store.steampowered.com/app/429660/)

(http://i.imgur.com/KOpUs6W.png?1)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Agent D. on December 06, 2016, 01:25:29 PM
I caught a costumes DLC trailer, I gotta say I enjoy them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H797eQowMyY
French maid is love...french maid is life.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on December 14, 2016, 03:08:21 PM
In general I think the costumes have been pretty solid in this game.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on December 14, 2016, 06:11:01 PM
I'm trying to find some way to complain about the outfits but I'm coming up empty.

My wallet though.  Tales, you can't keep doing this...!!!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/DJDbsfaoB8ZNu/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Isjaki on December 14, 2016, 09:38:13 PM
I always end up buying a few costumes for Tales games because I'm a sucker. D:

I'm pretty excited for this game. Tales of Zestiria did not click at all for me. I liked the whole Sorey being Jesus thing, but the battle system didn't do it for me (The battle camera was atrocious). Berseria looks like a return to form.

Question: What is your favorite Tales battlin'?

Mine is probs Vesperia. I had a lot of fun pulling off the ridiculous combos with Yuri and Judith, along with floating in midair as Rita while casting dope spells.

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on December 14, 2016, 10:48:56 PM
Question: What is your favorite Tales battlin'?

Top 3:
#1 Graces F
#2 Xillia
#3 Vesperia
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on December 15, 2016, 12:16:57 AM
Different strokes and all, but I cannot fathom enjoying Xillia's battle system with the balance the way it was. (Lose a party member every thirty seconds, but it's okay because you have a nearly endless supply of life bottles)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on December 15, 2016, 10:21:41 AM
^ Not my experience with Xillia's battles at all.  And I also put Xillia's battles above Graces f and every other Tales (for now).
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Agent D. on December 15, 2016, 10:25:58 AM
Kinda with Arvis on this one, the only time I ever lost a party member every thirty seconds was during that "what if" ending scenario in Xillia 2, and that was entirely my own fault (heh heh).
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on December 15, 2016, 10:50:11 AM
Against bosses at high difficulty, they do die a lot.
That said, I always ran with Leia and Elize. No problem with double rezzers.

In fact, I find that it wasn't that bad in Xillia as opposed to Xilla 2.
Hell, the last boss in Xillia 2 does so much damage at high difficulty it's pretty crazy.
I remember his normal attacks doing 50k, meaning can't ever get hit or absolute death (although blocking meant surviving 1 hit with the -90% damage flash block)
His mystic art did something like 2 billion damage or whatever so timestop Ludger was the only way to not game over (that or not get hit at all so he can't start it... but A.I. kinda love getting hit)
Worst is... I did win on the first try. So it's not that ridiculous since you have the tools to win.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on December 15, 2016, 11:02:14 AM
I mean, I know I'm bad at Tales' battle system in general since I hate *HATE* playing any game defensively, so I have no qualms with my opinions on the subject being taken with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Isjaki on December 15, 2016, 05:45:22 PM
Xillia's battlin' is quite good. You did have to block, dodge, and counter more. The characters were pretty agile so it made playing defensively good fun. In Xillia 2 the combat was so fluid and felt really good. I just didn't like everything else as much as Xillia.

I need to go back to Graces f someday. The battles were really fun and I didn't even mind the FRIENDSHIP IS POWER story. 
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on December 15, 2016, 07:14:29 PM
Xillia and Symphonia, and er Destiny.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on December 16, 2016, 09:53:40 AM
My wife and I are currently in the midst of trying to max out Stamp Cards in Graces f, and have plans to unlock every title on every character.

But....... I'm in that dark place that gamers get to sometimes, where I'm doing something in a game and I can no longer ignore the niggling question in the back of my head: "....but why?"
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Frostillicus on December 16, 2016, 10:20:59 AM
But....... I'm in that dark place that gamers get to sometimes, where I'm doing something in a game and I can no longer ignore the niggling question in the back of my head: "....but why?"

There's no reason why, other than the satisfaction you'll derive from doing so. I personally gave up on completionism years ago. Now, I'm just happy to finish a game. These days, I find that if I keep spending time trying to max out everything (or whatever), I get burned out more easily than I did when I was younger. Then I regret all of that extra time spent on it, because in the end, there's really not much to show for it. That's just my perception, and my case, of course. Not trying to talk down about your preferences in how you play your games, good sir.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on December 16, 2016, 10:28:03 AM
^ No, I'm already there.  I spent a ton of time "perfecting" my characters in Fire Emblem Fates and then once I had them, I had nothing to do with them.  I think that might have been a turning point, for me.

I think what I'm getting from doing this in Graces, though, is that my wife seems to be enjoying it.  She so rarely finds a game that clicks with her, and now that she has this one, she doesn't want to end it.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Frostillicus on December 16, 2016, 10:50:41 AM
I think what I'm getting from doing this in Graces, though, is that my wife seems to be enjoying it.  She so rarely finds a game that clicks with her, and now that she has this one, she doesn't want to end it.

In my opinion, that's more than enough reason to keep on going, then. The ONLY video game my wife ever played and finished with me was Mario Bros Wii. You better believe we played that 'til I was damn sick of it.
What's cool is that my son is getting old enough now (almost 5 yo) to play certain games with me, and I believe that may rekindle my interesting in doing more than is necessary in games.
It really does help when you have a partner in crime.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on December 16, 2016, 03:10:49 PM
My wife and I are currently in the midst of trying to max out Stamp Cards in Graces f, and have plans to unlock every title on every character.

But....... I'm in that dark place that gamers get to sometimes, where I'm doing something in a game and I can no longer ignore the niggling question in the back of my head: "....but why?"

That was me this morning planning out the quickest way to get all 7 endings in Hyperdimension Neptunia Re:Birth 2
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on January 18, 2017, 09:28:59 AM
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2017-01-17/tales-of-berseria-yasuhiro-fukaya/.108179

Completely missed that Tales got a new producer (bye bye Baba).  Going by his favorite game, he's off to a good start
(also, yay, Berseria is coming out soon).

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Do you have a favorite character from the entire series?

Tales of the Abyss is the title that I'm most fond of, and the main character, Luke, is very different from most protagonists in his attitude and background, and the ending is a surprising one.

During the promotions in Japan, a lot of fans hated him. But when they finished playing the game, many users liked him, and he was one of their most favorite characters. And I think he's my favorite character as well!
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on January 18, 2017, 10:07:01 AM
I too like to torture and beat mascot characters.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on January 18, 2017, 05:36:59 PM
I too like to torture and beat mascot characters.

I really hated Mieu.  That thing was a migraine incarnate.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Akanbe- on January 18, 2017, 06:48:10 PM
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2017-01-17/tales-of-berseria-yasuhiro-fukaya/.108179

Completely missed that Tales got a new producer (bye bye Baba).  Going by his favorite game, he's off to a good start
(also, yay, Berseria is coming out soon).

Haven't played a Tales since Xillia 1.  For some reason, I'm really looking forward to this one.  I hope it doesn't let me down.  Japanese fans seemed to have a more favorable reaction to this one than previous games so I'm hoping I enjoy it.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: danholo on January 19, 2017, 07:43:42 AM
Meh, I hope this is good. I liked Zestiria but it felt a bit rushed: Copy-paste dungeons and a very short story; boring optional "dungeons" (those battle arena things). I really enjoyed Xillia/Xillia 2s battle system, though.

They should reboot the IP by remaking Phantasia and going back to the roots of the franchise.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: divingfalcons on January 19, 2017, 12:08:36 PM
I can't muster any enthusiasm for this game. I've bought every Tales title on day one but I'm skipping this one for a few months. Tales games used to be a treat, then they started getting annualized releases (or like 18 months give or take.) Zestiria and Hearts R were disappointing, and even Xillia 2, as fun as it was, wasn't necessary, so my expectations are pretty low. I hope I'm proven wrong about this one.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Frostillicus on January 19, 2017, 12:27:43 PM
Tales games used to be a treat, then they started getting annualized releases (or like 18 months give or take.) Zestiria and Hearts R were disappointing, and even Xillia 2, as fun as it was, wasn't necessary, s my expectations are pretty low. I hope I'm proven wrong about this one.

No kidding. The series has pretty much become Tales of Madden, or Tales of Duty, if you will.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on January 19, 2017, 01:58:08 PM
Meh, I hope this is good. I liked Zestiria but it felt a bit rushed: Copy-paste dungeons and a very short story; boring optional "dungeons" (those battle arena things). I really enjoyed Xillia/Xillia 2s battle system, though.

They should reboot the IP by remaking Phantasia and going back to the roots of the franchise.

Zesty had great dungeons when compared to Xillia, Xillia2 and Graces F.

Let that sink in.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Kevadu on January 19, 2017, 03:22:24 PM
Wait, I really liked Graces F's dungeons...
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Klutz64 on January 19, 2017, 03:24:14 PM
Honestly it's hard to call any RPG's dungeons "bad" when compared next to Xillia 1's dungeons
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Kevadu on January 19, 2017, 03:38:33 PM
For sure, Xillia 1's dungeons were awful.  Never played 2 so I can't comment on it.  But I really don't see why Graces F is on that list.  I thought Graces F had about the best dungeons in any Tales game I've played.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on January 19, 2017, 05:45:07 PM
For sure, Xillia 1's dungeons were awful.  Never played 2 so I can't comment on it.  But I really don't see why Graces F is on that list.  I thought Graces F had about the best dungeons in any Tales game I've played.

They just kept recycling the step on platform to go somewhere.
Each time you have to wait for said platform to get to xyz.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Rook on January 25, 2017, 01:26:35 AM
Well early reviews are positive. There is pretty much a consensus that the story is very good. A bit of mixed reaction of the combat (its tales, if you like tales combat you'll like this) and that the graphics are PS3ish (expected).

So looks good. Tales's stories have always been the weakest part IMO. So if its a good one I should like this a lot.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Towns Car Marty on January 25, 2017, 07:52:02 AM
well crap. i had zero interest in this but now i've just gone and bought it.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Seultoria on January 25, 2017, 08:13:23 AM
I bought it last night and I'm an hour and a half into it. I'm liking it so far and the battle system reminds me of Graces, which imo has the best battle system in the series. Can't wait to play more. Just hoping I finish before Persona 5 comes out.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on January 25, 2017, 09:17:46 AM
I wish the story weren't so yucky. :(
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: divingfalcons on January 25, 2017, 12:39:15 PM
I wish the story weren't so yucky. :(

Just not your cup of tea? Apparently it's one of the best in the series, but that's subjective.

Marty is on the ball. I'm literally on the border of buying this because of the better reception.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on January 25, 2017, 07:21:15 PM
Not many reactions yet... while I think this game still follows Zesteria's general "gameplay style" a lot, I do like this a lot more, it's basically a more 'loose version' of Zesty's style which I didn't like but htis one is okay! (I'm sorry if that makes no sense).

That said, the battles are a lot of fun and feel like an elegant mix of Graces attacks and Abyss' free run.  Immediately enjoying the much more brooding/no-nonsense heroine over the more adventurous teenagers of the last few titles.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Isjaki on January 25, 2017, 08:42:30 PM
Got this today and I am enjoying it so far. The combat feeeeeelllssss sooooo goooooodd.

Not having to look at the inside of walls during battle is a big plus for me.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MeshGearFox on January 26, 2017, 09:14:07 PM
http://store.steampowered.com/app/525430/?snr=1_4_4__tab-PopularNewReleases

... Why does Berseria have 20 dollar day-one cheat DLC.

"Oh man I just spent fifty dollars on this game, let's spend another 20 dollars so I don't have to play it!!!!!"
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Alisha on January 26, 2017, 11:41:39 PM
i too am enjoying the game.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on January 27, 2017, 05:31:05 AM
http://store.steampowered.com/app/525430/?snr=1_4_4__tab-PopularNewReleases

... Why does Berseria have 20 dollar day-one cheat DLC.

"Oh man I just spent fifty dollars on this game, let's spend another 20 dollars so I don't have to play it!!!!!"

One word. Bandai.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Towns Car Marty on January 27, 2017, 06:34:04 AM
They've actually been doing this since Vesperia.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Alisha on January 27, 2017, 01:15:51 PM
Its still early but so far i think this is the best tales game since graces. Not quite on abyss level but that could change later.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: divingfalcons on January 27, 2017, 04:57:28 PM
Sadly we didn't get an advanced review copy. But I caved and bought it. So I'll work as hard as I can to get a review out as soon as possible!

Everyone's early impressions have me pumped, though.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Isjaki on January 28, 2017, 10:01:24 PM
This game is Mcdonald's.....

[spoiler]I'M LOVIN' IT[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Towns Car Marty on January 29, 2017, 11:45:59 AM
Pretty refreshing to see such a bloody-minded and morally bankrupt Tales hero. This is a welcome change, and I hope the series will continue to mix things up in future.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: JohnA on January 29, 2017, 02:51:23 PM
So far I have to say Berseria is one of my favorite games in the series character and story wise. They've done a good job of switching up the usual tropes.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on January 30, 2017, 02:59:41 PM
I'm enjoying the game, but with slightly mixed feelings.

- Velvet is something else, but at times she feels too Lightning-like.

+ Laphicet is adorable! Partly because most of the adults are terrible role models. Makes for entertaining interactions.

- Bienfu needs to die in a fire. Can someone please kick this mascot? It's a shame, because the Tales series has had some genuinely cute/cool animal characters before, like Repede and Rollo. Actually, I want that talking granny cat malak to be the mascot! That'd be awesome!

+/- Battlesystem is super fast and that's great, but there doesn't seem to be much of a challenge. I assigned a chain to the X button that covers a good selection of elements and types, and spamming that makes Moderate a cakewalk. Maybe I should try higher difficulties, but I fear fights are just going to take longer and I'm not looking forward to that.

+ I like that other characters occasionally point out that Velvets outfit is bullshit.

-Dungeons feel a little more varied than, say, Xillia, but 18 hours in I haven't encountered anything that games beyond 'push button to shut off barrier'. Kind of disappointing.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Andrew on January 30, 2017, 04:48:47 PM
Is Berseria back to Xillia's boring box canyons?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Towns Car Marty on January 30, 2017, 05:13:35 PM
Nope! Very lovely outdoor areas. The dungeons are still bad, though.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Andrew on January 30, 2017, 05:20:17 PM
Oh good! That's excellent news. I'm not surprised about the dungeons though (and not just because I read Tomara's comment above!). Seriously, what's gone wrong with the dungeon design department? Tales dungeons used to be interesting.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: divingfalcons on January 30, 2017, 05:57:58 PM
I really like Velvet as a protagonist. She's a little like Yuri but less carefree, and far more serious, and she pretty much has very little regard for any moral code. I've heard she softens up a bit later on.

To be honest, I feel like dungeon design in JRPGs in general has gone pretty down hill in the last few years, but Tales is certainly the worst offender.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on January 31, 2017, 03:20:10 AM
Yeah, nowadays, the best place to find good dungeon designs are RPG Maker games you can buy for 8 cents...
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Isjaki on January 31, 2017, 05:36:52 PM
The dungeons are laughably bad. I just think of it as places with new enemies and maybe a few good pieces of equipment.

So, I hate Bienfu. At least he isn't Teepo who is absolutely the worst!

The extra skits you get if you download the free catalogues are pretty entertaining. They must be doing weekly dlc or something.

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on February 01, 2017, 10:09:57 AM
Graces didn't have a mascot.  Why do we need mascots now?  They're always horrible.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on February 01, 2017, 10:24:42 AM
Graces didn't have a mascot.  Why do we need mascots now?  They're always horrible.

Sophie was the mascot.
Best mascot ever.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Towns Car Marty on February 01, 2017, 11:14:11 AM
Hey Rollo ruled
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on February 01, 2017, 11:36:02 AM
Graces didn't have a mascot.  Why do we need mascots now?  They're always horrible.

Sophie was the mascot.
Best mascot ever.

LOL, yeah, if she's a mascot, then there's no debate who's best.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on February 01, 2017, 11:52:56 AM
Some more reactions:

+Rokuro jokingly scolding Laphicet after battle is the best.

+Velvet is starting to grow on me. It helps that this is a Tales game. Thanks to all the small interactions between the characters, you don't need a microwave to defrost the ice queen.

+ Fought my first two random super though enemies, yay :D



Graces didn't have a mascot.  Why do we need mascots now?  They're always horrible.

Sophie was the mascot.
Best mascot ever.

LOL, yeah, if she's a mascot, then there's no debate who's best.

Repede.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Agent D. on February 01, 2017, 12:02:16 PM
Everyone knows Arche will always be the greatest Tales mascot ever, and it definitely has to do with her being a tiger in the sack.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: danholo on February 02, 2017, 04:54:39 AM
Better than average Tales title so far. Fun characters and battle system. I like the pirate motif and the slow unfolding of the story. Seems like a mystery so far! I also like the small links to Zestiria.

Battles have been a bit easy 99% of the time but I've been killed a few times and that rarely happens to me and this is good.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on February 03, 2017, 06:09:13 PM
Yeah I'm really enjoying it too after a kind of rough first impression (the 'over-bearing big sister' was...eugh).

> Battle system isn't overly complicated and is lots of fun and it's a nice take on the "CC" idea that Graces had.

> Just generally, I'm so happy the battle system isn't as sluggish as Zesteria.

> I love monster hunts and I'm glad they brought back the Cat Expedition thing from Xillia 2...but now it makes more sense, is a lot less goofy, and features a few more gimmicks to make it interesting

> Character are interesting; the Tales series often doing young characters a lot of good (they're often not annoying/childish).
Eizen is a dream boat, Rokuro is a blast (and my favourite to play as in battle), and their growing friendship is really cool.  Tales games again are really good at handling their cast, but I do like when two characters share 'slightly better chemistry'.

> On that note, I love the "comic roll" style to skits this time.  Just about anything is more interesting than the "face in box" skits of the older games, and I really like how they divide up characters to create spaces between who's talking to who.

> The dungeons suck though.  :/  A whole lotta nothing going on in them

> Also the music.  Remember that song that plays in the first town?  ...Yeah, me neither.

I can't say I have many points.  The game does little to "advance" the series, but it's still a lot of fun and I'm really enjoying the time I put in with it.  It's completely better than Zestiria for sure.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: divingfalcons on February 03, 2017, 07:16:16 PM
Eizen is a dream boat,

You get it. You just get it.

I love how he's a very reserved ruins and knowledge geek.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on February 04, 2017, 03:02:59 AM
^And that adds some real weight when in Zesteria, you... ;_;  I mean, sure, I felt bad the first time around because of Edna, but if I ever replay that game, that battle is going to sting.

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> I love monster hunts and I'm glad they brought back the Cat Expedition thing from Xillia 2...but now it makes more sense, is a lot less goofy, and features a few more gimmicks to make it interesting

It involves much less cats, though. I'm not sure how to feel about that.

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> Also the music.  Remember that song that plays in the first town?  ...Yeah, me neither.

I mostly remember that one song that sounds like it came from Valkyrie Profile.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Isjaki on February 04, 2017, 11:30:15 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FSjPioGHYmQ (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FSjPioGHYmQ)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YqbAj4rYqOk (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YqbAj4rYqOk)

The battle and victory music you get with the swimsuit dlc costumes is fantastic! Too bad it is locked behind a $11.99 dlc pack. D:
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on February 07, 2017, 02:31:19 PM
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> I love monster hunts and I'm glad they brought back the Cat Expedition thing from Xillia 2...but now it makes more sense, is a lot less goofy, and features a few more gimmicks to make it interesting

It involves much less cats, though. I'm not sure how to feel about that.

I realized after typing it what I said sounded more harsh than it ever needed to; you're right there's not a darn thing wrong with exploring cats. xD
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on February 08, 2017, 03:23:29 AM
Finished! Okay, sure, I've got some post-game stuff left, but other than that, I'm done.

Let's rate the game based on what I predicted.


June 27, 2015:
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Hey, does anyone want to guess what 'the awful thing that happened is'? I kinda want to place my bet on 'sister died a tragic death' or maybe 'sister is in a coma'.

Almost. It was her brother (that looked like a girl) that kickstarted the thing, but she did lose her sister as well. [spoiler]Twice.[/spoiler] As for the coma, that [spoiler]also sort of happened.[/spoiler]

December 16, 2015: [spoiler]Oeh! Who wants to bet angel kid has a Meaningful Name(TM), like a funky spelling of faith or something? A new Hope![/spoiler]

It was meaningful, just not as terrible or obvious as Hope.

December 22, 2015
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-The technological level in Berseria and Zesteria is very similar despite Zesty taking place over a thousand years in the future (I say thousand, because Ladylake was founded a thousand years prior to the game, IIRC, and the article says towns will be different, meaning Ladylake does not exist yet in Berseria). The reason for this is that the world went through several dark ages, like the Age of Chaos that Zestria takes place during. These not only stunted technological advances, but may have even set humanity back by hunderds of years.

[spoiler]Perfect score for me![/spoiler]

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-Humans can't use the power of nature for artes in Zestiria, only seraphim can. The Seirei are the (human) precursors of the seraphim.

Almost. [spoiler]Same beings as in Zesteria, they just go by a different name.[/spoiler]

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-Velvet was infected with gomabayo, as were the people in the village she lived in. She lost control and killed many of the transformed villagers in self defence. Her sister was one of them. Velvet eventually regained control, because she is pure of heart (I managed not to barf while I wrote that). In fact, she shares many qualities with Shepards from the future. The pureness is what keeps the corruption at bay, allowing her to use her goma-powers in short bursts with limited consequences.

-Velvet's journey will eventually lead to the creation of seraphim and Shepards.

I really wasn't counting on Bandai Namco going as far with the revenge theme as they did. I have... mixed feelings about that. On hand it, it relieves Velvet of responsibility for her actions until she starts fucking things up herself. Plus, we already did the whole 'evil church run by mentor' thing in Abyss already. On the other, wow, I can't believe a Tales game went there. Good for them. Trying new things is important.

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It seems more like Hope v2 doesn't have much of a personality, and Velvet will be the one teaching him about emotions.

Yep. Well, and Rokuro and Eizen too, of course.

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there's another reason to believe Velvet is a sweetheart at heart: her name is freakin' Velvet! This is a game from the company that thinks it's totally brilliant to name the woman who refills your HP Refill and her genius kid brother Genius. They didn't just pick the name because it sounds cool, but because it means something to the character in the most basic way. Velvet is a very soft and smooth fabric, meaning that Velvet is a big softy. Tsundere confirmed!

Also yep.

Conclusion, while I was wrong about Velvet's motivations, I can appreciate what they went with instead. It's a nice (evil?) contrast to the sappiness that was Zesteria. I especially like how it fucked up some of the notions those characters were operating under.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Isjaki on February 08, 2017, 08:13:15 PM
I feel like I'm getting towards the end of the game. Shit is going down and I am really enjoying the story. Combat still feels really fun. I even bumped up the difficulty to Intense and rarely use Velvet anymore. I use the characters pretty evenly but I found that controlling Velvet makes the game pretty easy because she just rocks so hard in battle.

Laphicet is just the best though. As a character and in battle.

The dungeons are still bad but a little nicer to look as you get further in the game.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Tomara on February 09, 2017, 02:57:29 AM
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Laphicet is just the best though. As a character and in battle.

I was surprised how much I liked the little guy. Usually kid characters are just a little too... ugh. Laphicet on the other hand, sure he's adorable, but it's a more natural kind of adorable. Plus, he gets plenty of moments to shine. [spoiler]Like when he punches a god and tricks said god into attacking the dragon currently trying to murder the whole party.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on February 13, 2017, 03:41:07 PM
I saw this got a good review from RPGFan, seems like good signs on the whole, no one has hated this a la SO5.

Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Agent D. on February 15, 2017, 07:05:23 AM
If you don't give Laphicet the Aviator sunglasses, you're living your life wrong.

Just finished the second trip to Aball Villiage last night...my god, that was fucked up. Like really...really fucked up.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Isjaki on February 15, 2017, 09:06:43 PM
The ending of the game was really enjoyable. The final dungeon was the least bad dungeon in the game, but still nothing special. The final bosses were a nice challenge on hard difficulty. The ending was a bittersweet one that I am a fan of.

I really didn't like the bonus dungeon in this game. Objective timers are just bullshit. The little bit of additional story they give you is interesting, but I'm not sure going through that shitty dungeon is worth it.

Overall, I gotta say this is my new favourite Tales game.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Agent D. on February 16, 2017, 02:18:23 AM
Just finished the second earthpulse. What the literal fuck is wrong with this game fucking Velvet up. All she wants to do is murder a guy and EVERYTHING FUCKING POSSIBLE IS OUT TO WRECK THAT NOTION. Seriously, I loved how she looks but now she's just tops on my badass women list.

AND SHE'S HAWT!

Also I sincerely regret having Laphi wear the aviatir shades during that one scene at the end of the earthpulse. All the feels...ruined because he looked like a badass.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on February 21, 2017, 06:32:02 AM
http://gematsu.com/2017/02/square-enix-announces-new-rpg-project-prelude-rune-newly-established-studio-istolia

Proving you can't keep good seniority down.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Agent D. on February 21, 2017, 06:40:46 AM
Beat the game last night....that ending killed me.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on February 21, 2017, 09:17:36 AM
Beat the game last night....that ending killed me.

Post a spoileriffic reason why??
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Agent D. on February 21, 2017, 09:51:59 AM
Beat the game last night....that ending killed me.

Post a spoileriffic reason why??
I can't, I'm dead.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on February 21, 2017, 09:55:38 AM
That sucks. :(
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: divingfalcons on February 21, 2017, 05:23:46 PM
Depends if you want Zestiria spoilers as well. But I'm still recovering from the ending too.

Tales of games are usually terrible at final arcs, but Berseria's was pretty spot on.

If it's not clear from my review, I really loved this game. It's up there with Xillia, Abyss and Vesperia as one of my favourites.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Agent D. on February 21, 2017, 05:27:08 PM
Depends if you want Zestiria spoilers as well. But I'm still recovering from the ending too.

Tales of games are usually terrible at final arcs, but Berseria's was pretty spot on.

If it's not clear from my review, I really loved this game. It's up there with Xillia, Abyss and Vesperia as one of my favourites.
NO, THIS WAS HORRIBLE! BAD THINGS HAPPENED! D IS NOT HAPPY!

I mean urgh, I'm dead still.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Aeolus on February 21, 2017, 07:30:10 PM
Depends if you want Zestiria spoilers as well. But I'm still recovering from the ending too.

Tales of games are usually terrible at final arcs, but Berseria's was pretty spot on.

If it's not clear from my review, I really loved this game. It's up there with Xillia, Abyss and Vesperia as one of my favourites.
NO, THIS WAS HORRIBLE! BAD THINGS HAPPENED! D IS NOT HAPPY!

I mean urgh, I'm dead still.

[spoiler]They brought back the magic gun?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Arvis on February 22, 2017, 09:31:25 AM
ok, I don't want Zesty spoilers, so nevermind.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Isjaki on February 23, 2017, 07:19:55 PM
I thought the ending was tttthhhhhaaaaaaa sssshhhhiiiiitttttt.

The end game was my favourite part of Berseria.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: ironmage on March 04, 2017, 04:51:18 PM
I finished Berseria yesterday.  It's been a while since an ending punched me in the gut like that.  Even the artwork during the end credits...  I hope the next Tales game isn't quite that dark.  I don't think I could take two of those in a row.

I think that Berseria has the best written villain, not only in the Tales series, but possibly in any game I've played.  Spoiler: I'm not talking about the antagonist.

As someone who plays Tales games for the character writing, Berseria definitely delivered.  It's interesting to consider the sharpness of the contrasts in the main cast, particularly with respect to Velvet.  Magilou is apathetic; Velvet is driven.  Eleanor is highly moral, while Velvet is amoral.  Rokurou lives by a code; Velvet has none.

My complaints are fairly minor, but: 1. Sakuraba should probably retire; 2. I don't care for the quantity over quality loot system; 3. Not enough Magilou backstory.  I guess it would be nice if they put more budget into map/graphical design, but if it's a choice between that and the writing, I'll take the writing.

I don't know when the next Tales games comes out, but as long as they keep making them like this, I'll keep buying them at release.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: JohnA on April 03, 2017, 11:09:23 AM
Working on Berseria's platinum right now and I'm still having a great time with the game. Definitely my favorite in the whole Tales series with fun mini-games and battle system, well written story, great characters and side quests. Never a dull moment.

It's going to be a tough act for Bamco to follow.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: ScottC on April 28, 2017, 02:18:32 AM
I haven't played a Tales game since Vesperia even though I own Graces F I just gave up on the series after hearing some pretty poor stuff. So I picked this up after finishing Persona 5 and damn wow I was not expecting this good of a game. That ending though, ouch right in the feels, it was very bittersweet. Velvet may be my favorite main character for a JRPG in a long, long time, and the cast was fantastic

So after finishing it a few days ago, I decided to watch the new Tales of Zesteria X anime now knowing the two were set in the same world.  I didn't want to play the game since it came before Berseria and never directly reference it but this new anime connects the two and I can't recommend it enough if you loved Berseria. It relates back to Berseria and Velvet a number of times and has two episodes dedicated to the opening of Berseria(it was to promote the game I believe when it originally aired).  I am looking forward to the last episode tomorrow to get some closure for Berseria.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: sasori_scorpion on April 28, 2017, 09:39:15 AM
Hi there,

it's interessting to see these different optinions of the game.
i have to say that i was really disapointed by Berseria.
There were only some minor setpieces here and there, but nothing really outstanding.
I think the ending was just the best part of the story, everything else was just not that
interessting. I did enjoy Xillia 1 and loved Vesperia and Zestiria, but Berseria was lacking something I can't pinpoint excactly.
But on the other hand it's good to see there are enough people who liked the game, everybody got his own opinion in the end... ;)
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: eightbitsamurai on April 28, 2017, 05:07:04 PM
I haven't played a Tales game since Vesperia even though I own Graces F I just gave up on the series after hearing some pretty poor stuff. So I picked this up after finishing Persona 5 and damn wow I was not expecting this good of a game. That ending though, ouch right in the feels, it was very bittersweet. Velvet may be my favorite main character for a JRPG in a long, long time, and the cast was fantastic

So after finishing it a few days ago, I decided to watch the new Tales of Zesteria X anime now knowing the two were set in the same world.  I didn't want to play the game since it came before Berseria and never directly reference it but this new anime connects the two and I can't recommend it enough if you loved Berseria. It relates back to Berseria and Velvet a number of times and has two episodes dedicated to the opening of Berseria(it was to promote the game I believe when it originally aired).  I am looking forward to the last episode tomorrow to get some closure for Berseria.

Glad to hear the anime is good, I tend to avoid adaptations like that but I'll throw it into the rotation next to My Hero Academia, Attack on Titan, and Atom: The Beginning.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on May 05, 2017, 06:54:48 PM
I've been playing this and loving it, but I'm not sure I see what everyone else is with respect to it having an "amazing story".  Glad to hear the final arc is very good, because yeah, Tales games can't really have a claim to that otherwise.  Am I almost there (saw Laphicet get pissy at Velvet on the boat and he tried that silly mask on)???
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: ScottC on May 05, 2017, 07:42:43 PM
Nah you still got a while to go.  Game was kinda long, padded by boring dungeons.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on May 05, 2017, 08:12:22 PM
Nah you still got a while to go.  Game was kinda long, padded by boring dungeons.

Yeah I took a bit of a break with some swamp area shortly after that.... Why did they ever think these dungeons/overworld areas (they're basically just as interesting so I'm lumping them together) was ever EVER a good idea??  I don't understand how you fall so many steps back after what the series did when it was YOUNGER. : /
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on May 07, 2017, 10:36:59 AM
At least the extra dungeon was a breath of fresh air compared to the tediousness of the last couple of entries.
Actually did it all which I haven't done since Graces F.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: ScottC on May 07, 2017, 12:33:42 PM
At least the extra dungeon was a breath of fresh air compared to the tediousness of the last couple of entries.
Actually did it all which I haven't done since Graces F.

Yeah the EX dungeon was worth it for extra story reasons and the scene at the end.  It was also kinda challening but I think it had a lot to do with understanding how to heavily exploit weaknesses to make the time attack.  Or just get a bunch of kat souls and cake walk through it.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Electricb7 on May 07, 2017, 09:37:54 PM
Betsbuy had Berseria on sale for $24 so I picked it up
Thinking of putting down P5 for it. Finding the social link stuff to be a little too integrated. I just want to run through a story, and explore. Damn cat wont let me make lockpicks! There is nothing wrong with that sort of thing but its just not my thing.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Electricb7 on May 11, 2017, 11:04:17 PM
Wow the user interface in the menus is awful. Scrolling text for super short descriptions, yet the screen has a bunch of space and can clearly display more.
Thats just bad and weird.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: JohnA on May 27, 2017, 04:55:51 PM
Finally got the Platinum for this game last night after months of chipping away at it. Game was fun, but the trophy gets really grindy towards the end.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Agent D. on May 27, 2017, 04:58:45 PM
Wow the user interface in the menus is awful. Scrolling text for super short descriptions, yet the screen has a bunch of space and can clearly display more.
Thats just bad and weird.
ur awful...
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Dice on May 29, 2017, 06:25:50 PM
Wow the user interface in the menus is awful. Scrolling text for super short descriptions, yet the screen has a bunch of space and can clearly display more.
Thats just bad and weird.
ur awful...

He's right though.  I wonder if it's that bad in the JP version?  Because waiting for text to scroll more often than not mean I won't have the patience to sit through it.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Annubis on May 30, 2017, 10:33:39 AM
Wow the user interface in the menus is awful. Scrolling text for super short descriptions, yet the screen has a bunch of space and can clearly display more.
Thats just bad and weird.
ur awful...

He's right though.  I wonder if it's that bad in the JP version?  Because waiting for text to scroll more often than not mean I won't have the patience to sit through it.

I imagine it is or the scrolling function wouldn't be there at all. Since Japanese is usually shorter than English when written it must look even stupider in the original.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Electricb7 on May 30, 2017, 11:12:08 PM
Are all of the arts for my npc party members active in battle? Or do I have to manually set what moves they can use?
I see all of the checkboxes by their attacks and they all seem to be on, but when I hit L2 to look at the Set Artes page it shows only a few of their moves. Or is the Set Artes page just for when I want to take direct control of that character?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on September 08, 2017, 08:32:45 AM
So I just reached the point where Velvet returns to her home village for the first time.  Seriously fucked up what happened there.  The whole thing was a total mind fuck for Velvet.  I can't help but feel bad for what happened there.  On a side note, there is a Katz box by her house I didn't have enough Katz souls to open.  If I leave the region, will I be able to return to open it?
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Agent D. on September 08, 2017, 09:23:18 AM
So I just reached the point where Velvet returns to her home village for the first time.  Seriously fucked up what happened there.  The whole thing was a total mind fuck for Velvet.  I can't help but feel bad for what happened there.  On a side note, there is a Katz box by her house I didn't have enough Katz souls to open.  If I leave the region, will I be able to return to open it?
99% sure every katz box is always available to aquire throughout the game once you find it the first time. Her hometown remains accessible for the rest of the game minus obvious scenario locked segments. Pre final dungeon, EVERYWHERE is accessible.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on September 09, 2017, 07:35:53 AM
I've gotten further along into the game.  I'm putting my comments into spoilers since the game is still a relatively recent release, even though anyone reading this thread has probably beaten the game ages ago.

[spoiler]So I got to the point where Innominant was revived and its aftermath.  Assuming the memories the crew saw as they escaped the Earthpulse, I can't help but think Melchior is a complete and utter bastard.  It's clear that his goal from before the Opening occurred was to revive Innominant.  After Artorius lost his wife and child he used the man's grief to manipulate him into following his plan.  Up until those scenes, I had believed that Artorius sacrificed Celica and his unborn child in order to begin the awakening of Innominant.  Instead, Celica gave her life to save Arthur.  His past is almost as tragic as Velvet's.

The one thing that does kind of upset me is that it turns out Laphicet (Velvet's brother, not the party member) chose to be sacrificed.  In some ways I think his act was selfish and selfless.  Part of his motivation is almost certainly a desire to give his own death meaning.  Instead of dying of illness, he can die giving humanity the power it needs to fight back against the daemons.  On the other hand, his request to keep this information from Velvet destroyed her.  I think the reason he asked to keep her ignorant is because if she knew, she would've been able to talk him out of it.  I think that was selfish on his part as his death destroyed her.

The one thing I'm wondering about now is if Melchior played a role in the villagers of Aball selling out Artorious and his family to those brigands turned daemons.  A part of me suspects he definitely had a role as I find it extremely convenient that he would be on hand at Aball during the opening.  If this is the case, please don't confirm or deny as I don't want to be spoiled.

The final scene during the crew's escape from the earthpulse gave me a case of the feels, I'm embarrassed to admit.  I found myself moved by Phi's devotion to Velvet and the depths of Velvet's grief and despair.  The actress who played Velvet did a superb job during the whole sequence.  You can sense her coming apart at the seams emotionally and psychologically during their escape.  If the acting had been done with the same level as Namco's earlier localization efforts, the whole thing would've fallen flat.  Seriously, the actress who played Velvet is good.[/spoiler]

Needless to say, I can't wait to see what happens next.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on September 22, 2017, 12:47:09 PM
Nah you still got a while to go.  Game was kinda long, padded by boring dungeons.

Yeah I took a bit of a break with some swamp area shortly after that.... Why did they ever think these dungeons/overworld areas (they're basically just as interesting so I'm lumping them together) was ever EVER a good idea??  I don't understand how you fall so many steps back after what the series did when it was YOUNGER. : /

Wait so you liked super ginormous cross-grid sprints? I mean.. it was passable but seeing where I'm going and all that is a pretty nice development..
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: Artimicia on September 22, 2017, 12:48:49 PM
So I just reached the point where Velvet returns to her home village for the first time.  Seriously fucked up what happened there.  The whole thing was a total mind fuck for Velvet.  I can't help but feel bad for what happened there.  On a side note, there is a Katz box by her house I didn't have enough Katz souls to open.  If I leave the region, will I be able to return to open it?

I've noticed every JRPG has a kind of brutal beginning.. it's almost always lets escape this dungeon/war/explosion.. well basically they're always all screwed up in the beginning, but I think with 3D graphics in the modern era it makes it more real for people perhaps.

You need to play for like 14 hours before you get to relative safety honestly.
Title: Re: Tales of Berseria
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on September 25, 2017, 10:47:01 PM
This game gave me another case of the feels last night.  That's the second time this happened.  I think this has probably become my absolute favorite Tales RPG from a story based perspective.