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Title: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on April 11, 2016, 08:49:10 AM
Ok fellow RPGFanners and hardcore RPGers of WRPG and JRPG and well every RPG stripes, the question in the topic...

But yes I have seen games for both that I want, but possessing neither system (and simply relying on the 3DS in recent times) I was thinking why not send it to the general group of people out there?

I think for most people it would be unquestionably the PS4 but frankly there's at least a few games I really would like to play for Vita such as

1. Oreshika
2. Ys: Memories of Celceta
3. Valhalla Knights 3
4. Soul Sacrifice
5. Gravity Rush

So.. .quite a few! I could list some of the PS4 ones but it's fair to say there a few there as well.

But yes forget my stance on everything, anyone want to share what they think??
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Klutz64 on April 11, 2016, 09:04:11 AM
I'd recommend the Vita only because you've expressed liking a lot of PS1 classic JRPGs, which you can get on the Vita but (inexplicably) not on the PS4. Also, JRPG releases on PS4 are still a slow trickle while there's a plethora of choices on the Vita, not to mention most of them seem to come out on the PS4 and Vita or just the Vita.

Anyway, those are my thoughts but I'm sure others have their own.

Oh, and FYI Gravity Rush is now available on both systems.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Rucks on April 11, 2016, 09:35:44 AM
Salvum est Vita!

You know what? I'm just going to go ahead and make that my new sig so I don't have to keep repeating it around here...
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Towns Car Marty on April 11, 2016, 09:51:53 AM
both, eventually! maybe start with Vita if you're looking to save some dough. I love my Vita and get a lot of play out of it, certainly more than my PS4 at present.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Agent D. on April 11, 2016, 09:56:02 AM
I'd tell you the ps4 since the support for the vita is diminishing rapidly. Plus, it's only a matter of time before Sony implements vita and psp titles for play on the ps4 using psnow, their streaming service. Granted, the amount of rpgs available on vita are quite larger in number, the system is all but dead, and I don't think spending money on it this late in the game would benefit you. I mean hell, most of the vita rpgs are available on the ps3 already, along with all the other ps3 rpgs and ps1 rpgs you may or may not have, so I'd say the vita is just a purchase for someone with disposable income...

Granted, that's just my opinion, and I say it while having my own vita and ps4, as well as a 1st gen ps3, so I have access to anything on a sony platform.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Tomara on April 11, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Used Vitas are very affordable right now (try to get one with a large memory card!), and it'll let you play PSone and PSP games from the PSN Store. Even if support is fading*, there's more than enough games to play on it.

*Unless you're mostly playing games from companies like NISA and Bandai Namco, that keep spamming new Vita releases. I'm still getting more Vita games than I can reasonably cover!
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: EmeraldSword on April 11, 2016, 11:32:22 AM
I wish the PSN store had Vandal Hearts 1. I've beaten the game so many times on the original PlayStation and it still didn't get old. Sadly, only the brief prequel "Flames of Judgement" is available to download. I've got PS4 and Vita, but I'll be honest, I play my Wii U and 3DS more. Good luck with your decision Artimicia, hopefully, the RPGfan gang have made it easier for you. ^_^
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Annubis on April 11, 2016, 11:35:17 AM
PS4.5
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Aeolus on April 11, 2016, 12:25:37 PM
A smart phone or other mobile capable device.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Agent D. on April 11, 2016, 12:50:34 PM
A smart phone or other mobile capable device.
Why in god's name would you desire to play a full length rpg on your phone? For every cool thing a phone can do, trying to play a video game that requires more than a yes or no input from the user is murder on touch devices. I play like 3 games on my phone right now, and the only reason I do those is because they require little more than confirmation of what I'm about to do. Hell even playing a 3ds or vita is murder on hands after a while because of the lack of ergonomic function.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Aeolus on April 11, 2016, 12:57:33 PM
A smart phone or other mobile capable device.
Why in god's name would you desire to play a full length rpg on your phone? For every cool thing a phone can do, trying to play a video game that requires more than a yes or no input from the user is murder on touch devices. I play like 3 games on my phone right now, and the only reason I do those is because they require little more than confirmation of what I'm about to do. Hell even playing a 3ds or vita is murder on hands after a while because of the lack of ergonomic function.

Because that's the only platform that Squeenix decided to localize Romancing SaGa 2 (http://gematsu.com/2016/04/romancing-saga-2-coming-west-smartphones) on, and if that's the price for getting things like this, then fuck it. I'm in.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Rucks on April 11, 2016, 01:24:09 PM
^ you're just being complicit to the beast. 

even if Do Don Pachi or Panzer Dragoon Saga or Burning Rangers came out on smart phone/mobile device in the West I'd rather totally miss out than help contribute to the death of gaming as we know it.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Aeolus on April 11, 2016, 01:38:10 PM
^ you're just being complicit to the beast. 

even if Do Don Pachi or Panzer Dragoon Saga or Burning Rangers came out on smart phone/mobile device in the West I'd rather totally miss out than help contribute to the death of gaming as we know it.

14 years is a long goddamn time to wait (or 23 years, since you're probably going to bring up the fact that Panzer Dragoon Saga came and went one cold April night 18 years ago, but I'll be honest and say that my interest in the SaGa series started in 2000 with SF2, so 16 years).

Besides, if I give here, then it gives me the chance of one day playing an officially localized version of Bahamut Lagoon, and is that not worth caving for?
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on April 12, 2016, 08:42:38 AM
Hm thanks for the responses people I think the backwards compatibility with Vita is possibly pushing me in that direction. I've always made a great deal of use of backwards compatibility on any system, it's one of the reasons I keep trying to keep my big PS3 together with pasting parts together and such.

If having that massive cell processor push out Saga Frontier grade graphics isn't a joy in this world I don't know what is.

The lack of forward support going forward is why I lean towards PS4, but it's also a reason maybe I could still feel like I could get it maybe at some later date and not be really missing out (since it'll be around still)

Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Klutz64 on April 12, 2016, 09:30:04 AM
Plus, as Annubis hinted at, it might be better at this point to hold off on getting a PS4 until we know more about these upgraded PS4 rumors.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Rucks on April 12, 2016, 09:43:44 AM
Plus, as Annubis hinted at, it might be better at this point to hold off on getting a PS4 until we know more about these upgraded PS4 rumors.

Or just ignore it because buying a new console AND a new tv that has enough display power to make any sort of difference is a much tougher ask than just buying a used Vita for 150 bucks.

Unless you have a 4k tv already, which would of course moot this argument.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: ScottC on April 12, 2016, 10:11:05 AM
PS4 and a PSTV!

A PSTV is pretty much a Vita console(its the size of a credit card and hooks up to your TV) that plays 90% of all the Vita games(physical and digital) and its only like 40-50 bucks.  You can play pretty much everything on it including all the PS1 and PSP games on the PSN with a few exceptions, but none of them have been any RPGs as far as I know.  If you want a Vita and don't care about portability and just plan to play at home anyway PSTV is the way to go.  Playing alot of Vita games in 720P at home is a godsend btw.  The only downside is that you need to buy a VIta memory card cause the systems internal harddrive is garbage at 1gb but you probably going to have to buy one for a normal Vita anyway.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on April 12, 2016, 03:04:38 PM
Well honestly the OLED thing sounds pretty cool to me, I'd kind of want a proper Vita to Vita.

I also don't really have a fancy pants TV or plan on really getting one... not really 100% sure whether that matters.

The biggest rift is really I just can't figure out which one has more of the games I want to play.. like I mean PS4 will have like Valkyria: AZ, although.. I don't know am I satisfied already having played VC and such?

Plus, there's stuff like Gravity Rush which was on Vita and then hopped over to PS4. Moreover I was never really big on the Souls series or Shadow of the Colossus (so TLG and Bloodborne respectively).

Honestly as mentioned before the biggest thing that annoys me is lack of backwards compatibility... whereas Vita lets you play PSP games and such still.

I think the notion that many series from the PS3 will be migrating to PS4 (Tales and such) might be reason enough to push into that direction...

then there's the 4.5 thing which is like blergh, I think whatever that is though it's not going to mess with the current PS4 people too badly. 


Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: EmeraldSword on April 12, 2016, 03:11:07 PM
Honestly as mentioned before the biggest thing that annoys me is lack of backwards compatibility...

I empathize with you. I was steamed when I found out Trails in the Sky: Cold Steel wasn't coming to the PS4. I bought Cold Steel on Vita. Honestly, not at all that bad, just a bit slower load times at times.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Rucks on April 12, 2016, 03:21:30 PM
Well honestly the OLED thing sounds pretty cool to me, I'd kind of want a proper Vita to Vita. - only the original version Vita has an OLED.

Moreover I was never really big on the Souls series or Shadow of the Colossus (so TLG and Bloodborne respectively).



(https://media.giphy.com/media/iUJrcUATzeELu/giphy.gif)

I thought you were cool Arty.  I really thought you were cool...

SotC is a brilliant transcendent work of gaming art...  WHY DO YOU HURT ME SO BAD!

I may have just whited out there for a second.


Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on April 12, 2016, 04:12:16 PM
Well honestly the OLED thing sounds pretty cool to me, I'd kind of want a proper Vita to Vita. - only the original version Vita has an OLED.

Moreover I was never really big on the Souls series or Shadow of the Colossus (so TLG and Bloodborne respectively).





I thought you were cool Arty.  I really thought you were cool...

SotC is a brilliant transcendent work of gaming art...  WHY DO YOU HURT ME SO BAD!

I may have just whited out there for a second.




Oh no Glass no LETS STILL BE FRIENDS! Honestly though I remember people talking about SOTC a bunch at the time and that's great and all that, and I still totally acknowledge it! It just wasn't my super cup of tea...

Hm hm Kitten?

(https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/16/1345113241935/A-very-cute-kitten-008.jpg)

Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Towns Car Marty on April 12, 2016, 04:26:22 PM
I think maybe don't buy a home console until this 4.5 malarkey is sorted out.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on April 13, 2016, 01:41:55 PM
The thing with PS4.5 is they can't really gib all the existing PS4 owners or current PS4 games in production, naturally.

The added features aren't particularly interesting, slightly faster, fancy VR, whatever, don't care.

The only issue is whether the new PS4.5 exclusive games willl roll around inevitably, MGS6, something.

My sense is though like what games would those even be exactly? If anything, they'd come much later, possibly primarily remasters. Even the New Nintendo 3DS primarily just had remasters, I don't think there were any NN3DS exclusives, I can't think of many or any of those games in general, for the natural reason they would be breaking boundaries in an awkward way.

Kind of leaning towards PS4 basically, in the present.

Actually I think Aeolus's point about the phone is really also close to that, so many mobile releases now essentially.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Aeolus on April 13, 2016, 02:37:28 PM
The thing with PS4.5 is they can't really gib all the existing PS4 owners or current PS4 games in production, naturally.

At the rate that Backwards Compatibility has been falling off and the ever shortening of a piece of software's lifecycle (i.e. any game that ran on WEP encoded Wi-Fi, DSiWare, servers for online heavy games like Halos 2 & 3, degradation of disk reading consoles like the PSX, the PS2, the Gamecube and so on, the conversion from CRT TVs to All Digital TVs, among other things), they might actually go through with it.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on April 13, 2016, 08:39:33 PM
The thing with PS4.5 is they can't really gib all the existing PS4 owners or current PS4 games in production, naturally.

At the rate that Backwards Compatibility has been falling off and the ever shortening of a piece of software's lifecycle (i.e. any game that ran on WEP encoded Wi-Fi, DSiWare, servers for online heavy games like Halos 2 & 3, degradation of disk reading consoles like the PSX, the PS2, the Gamecube and so on, the conversion from CRT TVs to All Digital TVs, among other things), they might actually go through with it.

Too many current owners of the PS4 it seems to me... alienating 500,000 people is one thing, but 50 million? (Projecting total sales by the time 4.5 even releases)

That's my sticking point. I think the crunch in media with tons of demand will begin to ease, in response to the simple fact that despite a plethora of media options, a lot of it hasn't really shifted what people consume (HBO series like GoT, etc), a lot of it is simply due to seismic changes in the relative valuation of things like games/comics/movies, etc. Consequently Sony will calm down and potentially just release an upgrade more in the N64 line of popping in a thing or substituting a that, less in the vein of New 3DS new system etc.



Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: missRPGirl on April 15, 2016, 02:24:23 PM
I don't know if anyone mentioned it on here yet, but I heard they are not going to make any more PSVITA tvs. So if I were you I would get the vita tv over the regular vita. Holding a Vita is uncomfortable to me, so I like the vita tv because I can use a controller.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Annubis on April 15, 2016, 02:35:53 PM
The thing with PS4.5 is they can't really gib all the existing PS4 owners or current PS4 games in production, naturally.

At the rate that Backwards Compatibility has been falling off and the ever shortening of a piece of software's lifecycle (i.e. any game that ran on WEP encoded Wi-Fi, DSiWare, servers for online heavy games like Halos 2 & 3, degradation of disk reading consoles like the PSX, the PS2, the Gamecube and so on, the conversion from CRT TVs to All Digital TVs, among other things), they might actually go through with it.

Too many current owners of the PS4 it seems to me... alienating 500,000 people is one thing, but 50 million? (Projecting total sales by the time 4.5 even releases)

That's my sticking point. I think the crunch in media with tons of demand will begin to ease, in response to the simple fact that despite a plethora of media options, a lot of it hasn't really shifted what people consume (HBO series like GoT, etc), a lot of it is simply due to seismic changes in the relative valuation of things like games/comics/movies, etc. Consequently Sony will calm down and potentially just release an upgrade more in the N64 line of popping in a thing or substituting a that, less in the vein of New 3DS new system etc.

We're talking about the world of today where millions of people have to buy a new iPhone to have the latest firmware because otherwise they can't run apps developed for said firmware =/
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on April 15, 2016, 03:07:06 PM
The thing with PS4.5 is they can't really gib all the existing PS4 owners or current PS4 games in production, naturally.

At the rate that Backwards Compatibility has been falling off and the ever shortening of a piece of software's lifecycle (i.e. any game that ran on WEP encoded Wi-Fi, DSiWare, servers for online heavy games like Halos 2 & 3, degradation of disk reading consoles like the PSX, the PS2, the Gamecube and so on, the conversion from CRT TVs to All Digital TVs, among other things), they might actually go through with it.

Too many current owners of the PS4 it seems to me... alienating 500,000 people is one thing, but 50 million? (Projecting total sales by the time 4.5 even releases)

That's my sticking point. I think the crunch in media with tons of demand will begin to ease, in response to the simple fact that despite a plethora of media options, a lot of it hasn't really shifted what people consume (HBO series like GoT, etc), a lot of it is simply due to seismic changes in the relative valuation of things like games/comics/movies, etc. Consequently Sony will calm down and potentially just release an upgrade more in the N64 line of popping in a thing or substituting a that, less in the vein of New 3DS new system etc.

We're talking about the world of today where millions of people have to buy a new iPhone to have the latest firmware because otherwise they can't run apps developed for said firmware =/

Eventually I think  people  will eventually remember the only thing you can really do with a phone is call people... don't know when that might be though.

Their popularity as very micro computers is of course a separate thing, but I don't know I think computers have limitations too in many ways...
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Jimmy on April 15, 2016, 03:32:40 PM
Besides, if I give here, then it gives me the chance of one day playing an officially localized version of Bahamut Lagoon, and is that not worth caving for?

Wait. What? Is this happening? If so, I need it. Now.

Anyway, I just bought a PS4 today myself thanks to a bonus I got at work (yay!!!). I'd love to have classic PS1 games portable. That is definitely enticing. However, I just don't see there being enough support any longer for it to continue being relevant as a system. I never even hear about new games for it any longer, and even when I did it was seldom.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: EmeraldSword on April 15, 2016, 06:46:47 PM
Anyway, I just bought a PS4 today myself thanks to a bonus I got at work (yay!!!).

Cool. Did you get any games with it too (or still planning on future title purchases)?

I have FFX-I and FFX-II HD remaster for the PS4. I'm a little over half way, but paused it to devote time to Xenoblade Chronicles X. I also have FF Type-0, yet only played 30 minutes of it. It was intense, I remember button mashing, chaotic epic music blaring amid gun fire and searching forever for a place to save amid convos/cut scenes, etc as well. XD

For Vita, I have a Trails... Cold Steel that I eventually will get around to as well.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Klutz64 on April 15, 2016, 07:37:10 PM
Besides, if I give here, then it gives me the chance of one day playing an officially localized version of Bahamut Lagoon, and is that not worth caving for?

Wait. What? Is this happening? If so, I need it. Now.

Anyway, I just bought a PS4 today myself thanks to a bonus I got at work (yay!!!). I'd love to have classic PS1 games portable. That is definitely enticing. However, I just don't see there being enough support any longer for it to continue being relevant as a system. I never even hear about new games for it any longer, and even when I did it was seldom.

There are more new games per month on the Vita than on the PS3. I know that doesn't say a *whole* lot, but it does mean the Vita isn't exactly dead yet.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on April 16, 2016, 12:34:49 AM
Yeah I think eventually I may still want a Vita, I just think suddenly the PS4 felt more appealing for some reason.

Maybe I still do want to play FFXV after all *sigh,* I see this tiny bit of remnant of Versus and some other FF in there I guess.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on April 22, 2016, 02:05:34 AM
Well while the Vita had the early lead I'm honestly leaning towards PS4/Mobile phone which is rather unexpected.

Simple facts being, PS4 has games I'm pretty sure I want to play and are exclusive, ditto for iOS.

So does Vita, but perhaps not as many.

Backwards compatibility situation I'm kind of just thinking used PSPs or new model PS2s/PS3s and other things can take care of a lot, it's kind of annoying but whelps.

Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: missRPGirl on April 22, 2016, 08:00:44 AM
Well while the Vita had the early lead I'm honestly leaning towards PS4/Mobile phone which is rather unexpected.

Simple facts being, PS4 has games I'm pretty sure I want to play and are exclusive, ditto for iOS.

So does Vita, but perhaps not as many.

Backwards compatibility situation I'm kind of just thinking used PSPs or new model PS2s/PS3s and other things can take care of a lot, it's kind of annoying but whelps.



This is why I can't give up any of my gaming systems. I still have a PS2, and PS3 the 60 gig version, so it plays PS1-PS3. I still own a GameBoy color, Nintendo DS Lite, 3DS, PS4 (really its my bf's but I buy more games than he does for it), a VITA TV. I probably will buy the PS4 Neo. Also I have a Retron 5 to play my really old games.

I feel like I need to go to one of those AA meetings and admit I have a problem lol.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on April 22, 2016, 08:03:57 AM
Well while the Vita had the early lead I'm honestly leaning towards PS4/Mobile phone which is rather unexpected.

Simple facts being, PS4 has games I'm pretty sure I want to play and are exclusive, ditto for iOS.

So does Vita, but perhaps not as many.

Backwards compatibility situation I'm kind of just thinking used PSPs or new model PS2s/PS3s and other things can take care of a lot, it's kind of annoying but whelps.



This is why I can't give up any of my gaming systems. I still have a PS2, and PS3 the 60 gig version, so it plays PS1-PS3. I still own a GameBoy color, Nintendo DS Lite, 3DS, PS4 (really its my bf's but I buy more games than he does for it), a VITA TV. I probably will buy the PS4 Neo. Also I have a Retron 5 to play my really old games.

I feel like I need to go to one of those AA meetings and admit I have a problem lol.

Nope not your problem just how it is, still have an up and running GBA etc and all that, I even played by SNES like 3-4 years ago that was... something.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Aeolus on April 22, 2016, 02:16:55 PM
Well while the Vita had the early lead I'm honestly leaning towards PS4/Mobile phone which is rather unexpected.

Simple facts being, PS4 has games I'm pretty sure I want to play and are exclusive, ditto for iOS.

So does Vita, but perhaps not as many.

Backwards compatibility situation I'm kind of just thinking used PSPs or new model PS2s/PS3s and other things can take care of a lot, it's kind of annoying but whelps.



This is why I can't give up any of my gaming systems. I still have a PS2, and PS3 the 60 gig version, so it plays PS1-PS3. I still own a GameBoy color, Nintendo DS Lite, 3DS, PS4 (really its my bf's but I buy more games than he does for it), a VITA TV. I probably will buy the PS4 Neo. Also I have a Retron 5 to play my really old games.

I feel like I need to go to one of those AA meetings and admit I have a problem lol.

Nope not your problem just how it is, still have an up and running GBA etc and all that, I even played by SNES like 3-4 years ago that was... something.

You two missed my posts in the Game Journal thread about my recent playthrough of Super Mario World. That was on original hardware and not even the oldest thing I own (that would be a Colecovision, and I used to have a striped down version of a Mangavox Odyssey^2, that may yet still be around somewhere).
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on April 22, 2016, 08:18:47 PM
Well while the Vita had the early lead I'm honestly leaning towards PS4/Mobile phone which is rather unexpected.

Simple facts being, PS4 has games I'm pretty sure I want to play and are exclusive, ditto for iOS.

So does Vita, but perhaps not as many.

Backwards compatibility situation I'm kind of just thinking used PSPs or new model PS2s/PS3s and other things can take care of a lot, it's kind of annoying but whelps.



This is why I can't give up any of my gaming systems. I still have a PS2, and PS3 the 60 gig version, so it plays PS1-PS3. I still own a GameBoy color, Nintendo DS Lite, 3DS, PS4 (really its my bf's but I buy more games than he does for it), a VITA TV. I probably will buy the PS4 Neo. Also I have a Retron 5 to play my really old games.

I feel like I need to go to one of those AA meetings and admit I have a problem lol.

Nope not your problem just how it is, still have an up and running GBA etc and all that, I even played by SNES like 3-4 years ago that was... something.

You two missed my posts in the Game Journal thread about my recent playthrough of Super Mario World. That was on original hardware and not even the oldest thing I own (that would be a Colecovision, and I used to have a striped down version of a Mangavox Odyssey^2, that may yet still be around somewhere).

Oh we must certainly did miss it Master Aeolus, for we could never compare!

Although in my defense I did play a Coleco-Vision at Anime Expo last year, that was fun, um, I think, to be honest, I don't know what was happening the whole time.

Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Aeolus on April 22, 2016, 09:25:59 PM
Well while the Vita had the early lead I'm honestly leaning towards PS4/Mobile phone which is rather unexpected.

Simple facts being, PS4 has games I'm pretty sure I want to play and are exclusive, ditto for iOS.

So does Vita, but perhaps not as many.

Backwards compatibility situation I'm kind of just thinking used PSPs or new model PS2s/PS3s and other things can take care of a lot, it's kind of annoying but whelps.



This is why I can't give up any of my gaming systems. I still have a PS2, and PS3 the 60 gig version, so it plays PS1-PS3. I still own a GameBoy color, Nintendo DS Lite, 3DS, PS4 (really its my bf's but I buy more games than he does for it), a VITA TV. I probably will buy the PS4 Neo. Also I have a Retron 5 to play my really old games.

I feel like I need to go to one of those AA meetings and admit I have a problem lol.

Nope not your problem just how it is, still have an up and running GBA etc and all that, I even played by SNES like 3-4 years ago that was... something.

You two missed my posts in the Game Journal thread about my recent playthrough of Super Mario World. That was on original hardware and not even the oldest thing I own (that would be a Colecovision, and I used to have a striped down version of a Mangavox Odyssey^2, that may yet still be around somewhere).

Oh we must certainly did miss it Master Aeolus, for we could never compare!

Although in my defense I did play a Coleco-Vision at Anime Expo last year, that was fun, um, I think, to be honest, I don't know what was happening the whole time.



Man. You guys are taking all the fun out collecting vintage videogame consoles. I mean, what's the point if you can't brag about it? :(
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on April 22, 2016, 09:31:13 PM
Well while the Vita had the early lead I'm honestly leaning towards PS4/Mobile phone which is rather unexpected.

Simple facts being, PS4 has games I'm pretty sure I want to play and are exclusive, ditto for iOS.

So does Vita, but perhaps not as many.

Backwards compatibility situation I'm kind of just thinking used PSPs or new model PS2s/PS3s and other things can take care of a lot, it's kind of annoying but whelps.



This is why I can't give up any of my gaming systems. I still have a PS2, and PS3 the 60 gig version, so it plays PS1-PS3. I still own a GameBoy color, Nintendo DS Lite, 3DS, PS4 (really its my bf's but I buy more games than he does for it), a VITA TV. I probably will buy the PS4 Neo. Also I have a Retron 5 to play my really old games.

I feel like I need to go to one of those AA meetings and admit I have a problem lol.

Nope not your problem just how it is, still have an up and running GBA etc and all that, I even played by SNES like 3-4 years ago that was... something.

You two missed my posts in the Game Journal thread about my recent playthrough of Super Mario World. That was on original hardware and not even the oldest thing I own (that would be a Colecovision, and I used to have a striped down version of a Mangavox Odyssey^2, that may yet still be around somewhere).

Oh we must certainly did miss it Master Aeolus, for we could never compare!

Although in my defense I did play a Coleco-Vision at Anime Expo last year, that was fun, um, I think, to be honest, I don't know what was happening the whole time.



Man. You guys are taking all the fun out collecting vintage videogame consoles. I mean, what's the point if you can't brag about it? :(

Haha I was mostly being sarcastic, that's cute you have a Coleco I knew someone that knew someone that had one from somewhere and claimed it was almost impossible to play, like, it just wasn't even clear how it was a game.



Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Ramza on April 22, 2016, 10:49:10 PM
I am thoroughly disappointed in Sony and third parties for not better supporting the Vita, because it is hands-down the most impressive handheld system I have EVER gotten my hands on. Between the visual novel library (in Japan, as well as the few in the US), the awesome games that make good use of both touch screens (Tearaway, Sound Shapes, Gravity Rush), the solid RPGs of traditional and Action variety (P4 Golden, Ys Celceta), and a battery life that ... somehow ... seems to outlet my 3DS ... this thing was built for gaming perfection.

And yet, it seems Sony is practically abandoning it, at least in the US. I am livid (and simultaneously pleased) about Square Enix's decisions ... I'm happy about the opportunities to play Adventures of Mana and Romancing SaGa 2, but I'd MUCH RATHER play them on my PSVita than on a f*cking smartphone, limited to touch screen controls only. YUCK.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on April 23, 2016, 01:03:44 AM
I am thoroughly disappointed in Sony and third parties for not better supporting the Vita, because it is hands-down the most impressive handheld system I have EVER gotten my hands on. Between the visual novel library (in Japan, as well as the few in the US), the awesome games that make good use of both touch screens (Tearaway, Sound Shapes, Gravity Rush), the solid RPGs of traditional and Action variety (P4 Golden, Ys Celceta), and a battery life that ... somehow ... seems to outlet my 3DS ... this thing was built for gaming perfection.

And yet, it seems Sony is practically abandoning it, at least in the US. I am livid (and simultaneously pleased) about Square Enix's decisions ... I'm happy about the opportunities to play Adventures of Mana and Romancing SaGa 2, but I'd MUCH RATHER play them on my PSVita than on a f*cking smartphone, limited to touch screen controls only. YUCK.

Yeah it's really weird with the Vita, everything about it is good on paper. I get some Dreamcast vibes from it sometimes.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on May 11, 2016, 08:27:03 AM
Ok new wrinkle what do you guys think about the fact that so many popular games are migrating to the PC. Is the PC the new destination for Playstation games?

Dark Souls, Tales series, Ys, it seems like many developers are plenty happy to put those games on PC.

Nintendo of course, is, well, Nintendo, but have any of you considered just keeping around a PC for Playstation games? What are the Playstation exclusive series that you can't live without and still need a system for?

Interested in any and all opinions. =-)
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Klutz64 on May 11, 2016, 08:34:01 AM
Really depends on what kinds of games you're looking for and, if those games are technically demanding, how much time and money you're willing to putting in to keeping a PC up to date to run everything.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on May 11, 2016, 08:40:10 AM
Really depends on what kinds of games you're looking for and, if those games are technically demanding, how much time and money you're willing to putting in to keeping a PC up to date to run everything.

Well I have some in mind, but if people told me their favorite series than they might of been ones I had forgotten or can look at or whatever and can go, oh yeah, that's worth keeping a PS around.

Like, something like Witch and the Hundred Knight. I like that game but isn't the PS4 thing just a remaster anyway? I feel like I've kind of gotten the experience with a PS3... anyway everyone has their favorite series or whatever that they simply need something for so I'm curious what those are. For me it kind of is like Tales Of, maybe the Souls series, but I am not aware of every game out there may be missing stuff.

Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Tomara on May 11, 2016, 09:18:05 AM
Publishers of Japanese games are more often than not still testing the waters. The quality of ports generally ranges from 'yeah, this sort of works...' to '[endless angry Total Biscuit rant]' (and perhaps some metabombing). I bet it will be a while before you get the same experience on both PC and PS system.

Personally, I'm pretty content with a combination of consoles and the delightful insult to PC gaming that is my laptop (it has an Intel Graphics HD 3000!). I can play simple indie games and most new adventure games, and that's all I need. I might take PC gaming a little more seriously next time I need to upgrade, but for now, I'm good.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Rucks on May 11, 2016, 09:20:59 AM
All of this is irrelevant, buy a Vita
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Klutz64 on May 11, 2016, 09:40:51 AM
Last year I'd have said the same thing, but at this point the Vita is Dungeon Crawlers, VNs, and Neptunia games.

Nothing is wrong with any of those things, I love me some dungeon crawlers, but it hardly makes the Vita as attractive as it once was.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on May 11, 2016, 05:28:57 PM
All of this is irrelevant, buy a Vita

What's the franchise/game that you can't live without that's on or going to be on Vita?

Publishers of Japanese games are more often than not still testing the waters. The quality of ports generally ranges from 'yeah, this sort of works...' to '[endless angry Total Biscuit rant]' (and perhaps some metabombing). I bet it will be a while before you get the same experience on both PC and PS system.

Personally, I'm pretty content with a combination of consoles and the delightful insult to PC gaming that is my laptop (it has an Intel Graphics HD 3000!). I can play simple indie games and most new adventure games, and that's all I need. I might take PC gaming a little more seriously next time I need to upgrade, but for now, I'm good.

I heard laptops aren't that great for gaming though...
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Aeolus on May 11, 2016, 05:50:24 PM
All of this is irrelevant, buy a Vita

What's the franchise/game that you can't live without that's on or going to be on Vita?

Not Romancing SaGa 2....
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: ScottC on May 11, 2016, 06:02:51 PM
PC gaming is always the way to go.  You may wait a bit for some ports of certain games but normally they are better, are patched, or modded by people in the community.  I can't stress how much I kinda regret buying a PS4 last year when the only game I really played on it was Bloodborne.  I know it's getting some awesome exclusives this year but I also feel like most will see some sort of PC release eventually.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Tomara on May 12, 2016, 02:20:56 AM
All of this is irrelevant, buy a Vita

What's the franchise/game that you can't live without that's on or going to be on Vita?

Publishers of Japanese games are more often than not still testing the waters. The quality of ports generally ranges from 'yeah, this sort of works...' to '[endless angry Total Biscuit rant]' (and perhaps some metabombing). I bet it will be a while before you get the same experience on both PC and PS system.

Personally, I'm pretty content with a combination of consoles and the delightful insult to PC gaming that is my laptop (it has an Intel Graphics HD 3000!). I can play simple indie games and most new adventure games, and that's all I need. I might take PC gaming a little more seriously next time I need to upgrade, but for now, I'm good.

I heard laptops aren't that great for gaming though...

Depends on what you plan on doing with them. I need a laptop anyway, so I got one that covered my (laughable) gaming needs. However, if you don't need something portable, a desktop is a better choice. It's more cost efficient (especially if you build it yourself) and much easier to upgrade.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on May 12, 2016, 02:40:16 AM
I guess it just seems like the the Playstation and PC demographics are basically converging. A good PC is more affordable than ever, whereas the PS consoles are frequently really just like computers, more or less.

I also perhaps can't get over how disappointing the PS3 was relative to the PS2. The PS2 was really kind of an amazing system, whereas the PS3 has also been good but oftentimes kind of a disappointment. I think the handheld situation has been slightly better with Sony opting to innovate more.

Edit: Blergh, I think I just went in a full circle and ended up back on the Vita lol.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Agent D. on May 12, 2016, 06:46:48 AM
Let's be fair, the ps2 generation was a bit biased. Nintendo had its audience locked in already, and sega was flopping around miserably with the dreamcast after saturn killed them the previous gen, and then there was xbox which was unknown at the time and a late release. Of course the ps2 gen was astounding, it ran all but uncontested as the game king.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Rucks on May 12, 2016, 07:46:54 AM
^this. 

since it was the best selling console of all time, EVERY other console ever would be disappointing when compared to the ps2. 
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on May 12, 2016, 02:44:26 PM
Sure but they still had to make a killer system, which I think they basically did... it's lasted longer than my PS3 despite being 5 years younger or whatever which is pretty freaking impressive if you ask me.

Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Tomara on May 12, 2016, 03:00:10 PM
The technicaly differences between the three main consoles of that generation actually weren't that big. If anything, Sony's trump card was the PS2's ability to play DVDs back when DVD players were stupidly expensive. Sure, they were also boasting about the Emtion Engine, but that thing was a pain in the ass for developers. It took them years how to figure out how to put the PS2 hardware to good use and a lot of early titles look like shit. The PS2s real power was in its software library, which was made possible by connections build in the 32/64-bit era.

Some of the PS2's success isn't even a result of things Sony did. Both Nintendo and Microsoft made several slip-ups. Nintendo was still struggling with the N64 3rd party developer exodus, and maybe those mini-discs weren't the best choice. Meanwhile, Microsoft was mostly experimenting with a variety of things, like a controller that was too big for human hands.

What also may have been a factor, is that the PS2 was relatively easier to mod to play pirated games.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on May 12, 2016, 03:30:38 PM
The technicaly differences between the three main consoles of that generation actually weren't that big. If anything, Sony's trump card was the PS2's ability to play DVDs back when DVD players were stupidly expensive. Sure, they were also boasting about the Emtion Engine, but that thing was a pain in the ass for developers. It took them years how to figure out how to put the PS2 hardware to good use and a lot of early titles look like shit. The PS2s real power was in its software library, which was made possible by connections build in the 32/64-bit era.

Some of the PS2's success isn't even a result of things Sony did. Both Nintendo and Microsoft made several slip-ups. Nintendo was still struggling with the N64 3rd party developer exodus, and maybe those mini-discs weren't the best choice. Meanwhile, Microsoft was mostly experimenting with a variety of things, like a controller that was too big for human hands.

What also may have been a factor, is that the PS2 was relatively easier to mod to play pirated games.

Well, I realize the story with the PS has typically been 3rd party > 1st party and Nintendo 3rd party goes downhill and such. Or I should say, those are definitely factors.

But I don't know I guess I just like the hardware of the PS2 better than a lot of later systems or earlier systems and such and so forth. I don't really justify on a lot but my PS3 most definitely did break despite being a much younger system whereas my PS2 basically never has...

I kind of like the interface (or absence thereof) and factors like that as well. Plus games like Odin Sphere or FFX12 which pushed the system hard looked pretty amazing (even though they did have slow down at times).

The PS3 on the other hand has always felt pretty bloated, I'm not even sure in retrospect how much better looking the likes of MGS4 were compared to MGS3 and such, in retrospect.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Agent D. on May 12, 2016, 03:46:13 PM
Get a first gen ps3. Full ps2 backwards compatibility, full psn functionality, all ps3 titles function fine on it. Best of the ps2 and ps3 together.

Also, fuck the vita. The system is quickly losing any and all steam it once (if ever) had and is getting less and less worhtwhile releases developed for it. Almost all the cool indie stuff is being released on the ps4 as well, and the good stuff to come is getting ps4 releases as well.
(Disclaimer: my opinion)
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on May 12, 2016, 03:48:10 PM
Get a first gen ps3. Full ps2 backwards compatibility, full psn functionality, all ps3 titles function fine on it. Best of the ps2 and ps3 together.

Also, fuck the vita. The system is quickly losing any and all steam it once (if ever) had and is getting less and less worhtwhile releases developed for it. Almost all the cool indie stuff is being released on the ps4 as well, and the good stuff to come is getting ps4 releases as well.
(Disclaimer: my opinion)

Yeah that's what I had though, full backwards compatibility, etc, that's the one that's been shaky mechanically. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to hold together but I'm just like ergh.

But anyway, anyway indie stuff in my experience or whatever is probably on PC as well.. I don't know, I just kind of see this collapsing into some generic "computer console" (which is like PS4/XB1/PC/iOS/Android/Ouya (ha!)/Mac/Laptop) outside of Nintendo.

Sony and others are still trying to leverage individual systems using "exclusives" but for most people that's like one game or two games at best, and not only that they aren't like super original IPs or something they are just like you know "another Yakuza" or "the next Souls game" or the likes.

But yeah if you want to share the PS4 things you are looking forward to that are PS4 exclusive...
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Aeolus on May 12, 2016, 04:08:56 PM
The technicaly differences between the three main consoles of that generation actually weren't that big. If anything, Sony's trump card was the PS2's ability to play DVDs back when DVD players were stupidly expensive. Sure, they were also boasting about the Emtion Engine, but that thing was a pain in the ass for developers. It took them years how to figure out how to put the PS2 hardware to good use and a lot of early titles look like shit. The PS2s real power was in its software library, which was made possible by connections build in the 32/64-bit era.

Some of the PS2's success isn't even a result of things Sony did. Both Nintendo and Microsoft made several slip-ups. Nintendo was still struggling with the N64 3rd party developer exodus, and maybe those mini-discs weren't the best choice. Meanwhile, Microsoft was mostly experimenting with a variety of things, like a controller that was too big for human hands.

What also may have been a factor, is that the PS2 was relatively easier to mod to play pirated games.

The Mini-Disks and the Controller were what largely torpedoed the Gamecube since a number of developers of that era just wanted to settle on the cheapest solution. And the few efforts that actually made it on the Cube either also ended up on the PS2, were refugees of the Dreamcast or were these off-brand experiments like Crystal Chronicles, Phantasy Star Online 3 or Starfox Adventures.

XBox's biggest problem was always the fact that it was a western console first and foremost. Microsoft gave no fucks about Japanese developers or the market until the start of the 360 era, which by then, had already cultivated a reputation for being a western only console brand. It really didn't help that it was basically a mini-PC and didn't have many notable IPs for it outside of stuff like Halo, Call of Duty or SOCOM which were largely FPS based games which in turn didn't sit very well with the Japanese market due to inducing motion sickness. Not that Microsoft cared about that since they basically had an entire demographic to their own in the 20-something Brogamerfewls (which is currently biting them in the ass with the XBone since most of that demographic is aging out into finally having responsibilities and real-life guns, and PCs and Smartphones are taking up the next generation of 20-something Brogamerfewls).
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Kevadu on May 12, 2016, 11:52:17 PM
Get a first gen ps3. Full ps2 backwards compatibility, full psn functionality, all ps3 titles function fine on it. Best of the ps2 and ps3 together.

Good luck finding one that still works...
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on May 13, 2016, 12:56:27 AM
Now I'm leaning towards Vita, PC, or status quo (which is PC/3DS, etc)
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Ranadiel on May 13, 2016, 06:26:16 AM
Get a first gen ps3. Full ps2 backwards compatibility, full psn functionality, all ps3 titles function fine on it. Best of the ps2 and ps3 together.

Good luck finding one that still works...
I'm sure it isn't hard to find one that works, but you are just playing Russian Roulette every time you start up the system at this point. I'm on my third original PS3. First one died after five+ years, sent it in to Sony, got a refurbished unit, and then the refurbished one died in under a year. Repeated, and I kind of avoid using the second refurbished because I know it will probably die within a few months if I ever try and use it.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on May 19, 2016, 02:51:31 AM
Ok so does anyone want to volunteer what they think is a good price for a "like new" original model Vita?
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Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Aeolus on May 28, 2016, 05:08:40 AM
http://gematsu.com/2016/05/square-enix-working-romancing-saga-2-ps-vita-english-release

I'm suddenly beginning to reconsider my stance on the value of mobile devices again....

And don't worry, a couple of months is nothing compared to the 15+ years I've been waiting for the chance to play this in all of its comprehensible glory. And assuming this doesn't pull a Megaman Anniversary Collection GB and vanish into the same aether that swallowed Leisure Suit Larry 4 and the aforementioned, this pretty much cinches the value of purchasing a Vita.

Now only if it were Vita TV compatible.... ;p
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Klutz64 on May 28, 2016, 08:31:21 AM
Most new releases are, and I don't see any particular reason why they would go out of their way to make it incompatible.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Agent D. on May 28, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
Ok so does anyone want to volunteer what they think is a good price for a "like new" original model Vita?
'

Under 100 dollars. I'd say 80-90 is reasonable if it's from a store, 70 or less if it's from a less reputable source. Like new means nothing if you have a factory defect that makes it last a year or less, and if you're gonna spend almost the same amount on a like new unit, may as well spend more and buy a new unit. Honestly, new vitas aren't too pricy anyway, i'd spend a little more and buy it new.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on May 28, 2016, 01:52:30 PM
^ Wow really? I honestly didn't even know they went that low. I was looking at maybe 130ish and thinking that's pretty good. I'll check into the other options but I think convenience may play a factor (being able to get it from local gamestop).

Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on May 28, 2016, 01:53:53 PM
http://gematsu.com/2016/05/square-enix-working-romancing-saga-2-ps-vita-english-release

I'm suddenly beginning to reconsider my stance on the value of mobile devices again....

And don't worry, a couple of months is nothing compared to the 15+ years I've been waiting for the chance to play this in all of its comprehensible glory. And assuming this doesn't pull a Megaman Anniversary Collection GB and vanish into the same aether that swallowed Leisure Suit Larry 4 and the aforementioned, this pretty much cinches the value of purchasing a Vita.

Now only if it were Vita TV compatible.... ;p

I just decided I have to have the next Miku Dance game basically and that's been overwriting all other considerations in recent times, and a PS4 would be more expensive for the same thing so..... yeah it's all about the dance games.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Klutz64 on May 28, 2016, 02:00:17 PM
^ IMO this is an okay thing to base a console purchase on.

(I mean, I bought that ridiculous $100 season pass for Project Diva 2nd, so...)
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Aeolus on May 28, 2016, 04:08:28 PM
Most new releases are, and I don't see any particular reason why they would go out of their way to make it incompatible.

I'm referring to the fact that the VitaTV was discontinued. Though I suspect that its still good since the game came out in JP-land around the time of the announcement, but you never know.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on June 01, 2016, 12:12:55 AM
Ok yeah I'm definitely out on the PS4, there are a few games I want to play for it but not enough to justify getting it, the Vita is cheaper and only has a few games I really want to play (and some of those were ones for PS4)

Yeah I think the whole major console system thing has me toast, I'm actually almost completely good with just a 3DS to be honest.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on June 21, 2016, 02:21:41 AM
So PS4 Neo is a thing, yeah I'm definitely glad I didn't get a PS4 now.

http://www.ign.com/videos/2016/06/21/ps4-neo-releasing-2016-according-to-new-source-ign-daily-fix
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on August 09, 2016, 04:54:35 PM
Well now I want a PS4 too because I have committment issues because I just really want FFXV BLERGH game companies why do you tease us and torture us so!

Maybe if I can get a good price...
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Agent D. on August 09, 2016, 05:03:55 PM
Well now I want a PS4 too because I have committment issues because I just really want FFXV BLERGH game companies why do you tease us and torture us so!

Maybe if I can get a good price...
I'd be a terrible person if I didn't say my ps4 has served me well for the last 3 years almost. There are worse things to get than this for sure, and granted the neo is on the horizon, I think NOT getting a neo immediately is going to be ok. Hell even catching a decent trade back deal right around the launch will help dull the pain a bit.

Plus, you know...deus ex.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on August 26, 2016, 04:07:10 AM
Nights of Azure sequel now on both... that was one of....

*Godzilla Rage*

*Sigh*

You know... I guess really the answer in this long tortured process, has simply been "both." And there just wasn't any way around that, I guess.

That said.... I don't know... I'm kind of thinking the Vita has a brighter future, perhaps.

Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Aeolus on August 26, 2016, 12:07:12 PM
Nights of Azure sequel now on both... that was one of....

*Godzilla Rage*

*Sigh*

You know... I guess really the answer in this long tortured process, has simply been "both." And there just wasn't any way around that, I guess.

That said.... I don't know... I'm kind of thinking the Vita has a brighter future, perhaps.

PS4. Vita's already long in the tooth and Sony's never held more than a passing interest in the handheld market to begin with, plus while PS4 games can be scaled down to Vita tech levels, Vita cannot possibly scale up to PS4 tech levels.

Also, none of those character designs look that good (blonde's okay and brunette's ehh, but red's not even wearing a quarter of a costume and if they're doing transformations again, its only gonna get worse).
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on August 26, 2016, 12:08:34 PM
Nights of Azure sequel now on both... that was one of....

*Godzilla Rage*

*Sigh*

You know... I guess really the answer in this long tortured process, has simply been "both." And there just wasn't any way around that, I guess.

That said.... I don't know... I'm kind of thinking the Vita has a brighter future, perhaps.

PS4. Vita's already long in the tooth and Sony's never held more than a passing interest in the handheld market to begin with, plus while PS4 games can be scaled down to Vita tech levels, Vita cannot possibly scale up to PS4 tech levels.

Also, none of those character designs look that good (blonde's okay and brunette's ehh, but red's not even wearing a quarter of a costume and if they're doing transformations again, its only gonna get worse).

OLED
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Rucks on August 26, 2016, 12:27:33 PM
Nights of Azure sequel now on both... that was one of....

*Godzilla Rage*

*Sigh*

You know... I guess really the answer in this long tortured process, has simply been "both." And there just wasn't any way around that, I guess.

That said.... I don't know... I'm kind of thinking the Vita has a brighter future, perhaps.

PS4. Vita's already long in the tooth and Sony's never held more than a passing interest in the handheld market to begin with, plus while PS4 games can be scaled down to Vita tech levels, Vita cannot possibly scale up to PS4 tech levels.

Also, none of those character designs look that good (blonde's okay and brunette's ehh, but red's not even wearing a quarter of a costume and if they're doing transformations again, its only gonna get worse).

OLED

Only if you're lucky enough to chance upon a first generation model
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Aeolus on August 26, 2016, 01:01:29 PM
Nights of Azure sequel now on both... that was one of....

*Godzilla Rage*

*Sigh*

You know... I guess really the answer in this long tortured process, has simply been "both." And there just wasn't any way around that, I guess.

That said.... I don't know... I'm kind of thinking the Vita has a brighter future, perhaps.

PS4. Vita's already long in the tooth and Sony's never held more than a passing interest in the handheld market to begin with, plus while PS4 games can be scaled down to Vita tech levels, Vita cannot possibly scale up to PS4 tech levels.

Also, none of those character designs look that good (blonde's okay and brunette's ehh, but red's not even wearing a quarter of a costume and if they're doing transformations again, its only gonna get worse).

OLED

Only if you're lucky enough to chance upon a first generation model

I was speaking from a development standpoint. Any multiplatform title will need to be adapted to accommodate the hardware/OS quirks of that platform, and the specs of any version of the Vita are easily and noticeably lower than any version of the PS4.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on August 26, 2016, 02:54:37 PM
Nights of Azure sequel now on both... that was one of....

*Godzilla Rage*

*Sigh*

You know... I guess really the answer in this long tortured process, has simply been "both." And there just wasn't any way around that, I guess.

That said.... I don't know... I'm kind of thinking the Vita has a brighter future, perhaps.

PS4. Vita's already long in the tooth and Sony's never held more than a passing interest in the handheld market to begin with, plus while PS4 games can be scaled down to Vita tech levels, Vita cannot possibly scale up to PS4 tech levels.

Also, none of those character designs look that good (blonde's okay and brunette's ehh, but red's not even wearing a quarter of a costume and if they're doing transformations again, its only gonna get worse).

OLED

Only if you're lucky enough to chance upon a first generation model

I was speaking from a development standpoint. Any multiplatform title will need to be adapted to accommodate the hardware/OS quirks of that platform, and the specs of any version of the Vita are easily and noticeably lower than any version of the PS4.

From my understand, it's not much harder to develop for than say the 3DS or most systems... if it were the Saturn or something... sure it's extra time and energy but it sounds like they managed to make a unique system that isn't so unique it becomes impenetrable.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on August 28, 2016, 03:21:36 AM
Ok this is my technical understanding...

The PS4 is basically like a harder top speed but isn't integrated as tightly as the Vita, the PS4 is basically just reflecting, a big collapse of Sony in  a large strain of the PC-ification of the gaming industry. It's essentially just a PC, and so it doesn't do what consoles have done more effectively than the PC which is to have integrated components.

The Vita does have this, in addition, it has the OLED screen and other novelties that make it technologically superior IMO, not in all respects, a clock speed is a clock speed, ram is ram, and all that, but it seems to be the way it was built it was like a panzer tank but with guns pointing every direction, and not necessarily fewer weapons all pointing in the right direction.

As far as I can tell, load times, basics of functions, on and off, all those elements are faster on the Vita, furthermore, games that take full advantage of the OLED screen look pretty amazing.

On the PS4 side, yes, there are a handful of interesting PS4 exclusives, but I think those cater primarily to established demographics and such. Maybe FFXV is the first FF for someone, but it certainly isn't my first FF, and consequently I would just be there to enjoy something I already kind of know and like, not necessarily to go deeper into it.

Moreover, at this point, almost every other major console exclusive is being ported to the PC, including as I mentioned in the other thread, Nier 2, etc.

So in short, The PS4 and Xbone are simply, machine wise, and also with respect to the games, have become part of the larger PC umbrella, there isn't much to be gained from owning one aside from, as I said, support for particular franchises (which is fine and dandy).

Moreover, those franchises tend to be more established, and while of course can be quite fun, I don't think for instance, something like FFXV is quite as unique or interesting an RPG series as perhaps a Ragnarock Odyssey (not really a Monster Hunter fan, myself)

But the Vita, I think alludes to the point when gaming is about making unique technological progress and stuff, so consequently, I'd say it's in much better shape.

Anyway, I don't think any hardcore Sony or RPG fan can go wrong, it's basically like Genesis 2.0, or Dreamcast 3.0, it's the good system that really is good that never catches on with the greater group because raisins.

Now, as to getting one now, it's a bit tricker, as you say, the support has dropped off, but I've heard that's because they feel 3rd parties are adequately supporting the system.

I think the reason for the Vita's struggles is, quite simply, the 3DS. That is to say, most people have just adopted the 3DS over the Vita, so it's not really, mobile, or whatever that's causing the problems, it's just that the 3DS has been a super impressive system. '

Final edit: I think ultimately the true answer is simply... 3ds... lol
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on August 29, 2016, 02:15:04 AM
WAIT SAGA SCARLET GRACE IS FOR THE VITA ZOMG SAGA SERIES OMGOMGOMGOG!

Wow...

If people actually knew what the Saga series was that's a killer app right there.

Edit: Ok, so Saga series... been released on phones...

Right.. I see what happened here.

While regular old Hollywood executives etc, whatever, blah blah, they largely kind of absorbed the console gaming industry, the stuff on the fringe was ultimately co-opted by the phone companies.

The iPhone etc, ultimately was just a copy and through the iOS systems having quality games released they ensured that they were taking the place of all that.

So yeah, the mobile phones basically are kind of collpasing that whole market, that's really it, it's all about the mobile phones.

Not because of mobile games mind you, it's primarily the quality games that are driving all this, perhaps by a SQenix or whatever, it's just they opted to occur on these systems.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Artimicia on July 28, 2017, 03:13:50 AM
Oh yeah and um I got a PS4...
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: TheCaterStreetHangman on March 25, 2018, 10:58:34 PM
I don't have a PS4, but I have a Vita... speaking of the Vita, I should really get around to booting up that Front Mission 3 I have sitting in there...
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Arvis on March 26, 2018, 02:34:45 PM
Front Mission 3

One of the greats.  An oddly satisfying SRPG.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on March 26, 2018, 06:20:39 PM
I don't have a Vita, but the next best thing.  A Playstation TV.  I played the shit out of Ys: Memories of Celceta on the thing to the point of nabbing the platinum trophy.  Now while I did use a guide to help me, I still felt a strong sense of accomplishment when I earned it.  Beating the game on Nightmare Mode wasn't as harrowing an ordeal as I thought it would be.  Either being max level with end game equipment makes that much of a difference, or I don't suck as much as I thought I did.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: mooserocka on April 25, 2018, 11:41:23 PM
they are not making games for vita anymore really. In the us anyway.
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Ramza on April 26, 2018, 12:14:08 AM
they are not making games for vita anymore really. In the us anyway.

It remains a great outlet for Visual Novels. :)
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: mooserocka on June 03, 2018, 11:47:48 PM
people picked vita? its like dead
Title: Re: PS4 or Vita?
Post by: Rvenes on June 21, 2018, 06:32:21 PM
my choice is ps4! and I think it's the best. but to be honest, I haven't tried vita :D