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Title: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Dice on December 20, 2016, 12:30:05 AM
So Trails of Cold Steel III was just revealed and will be appearing — drumroll — on Playstation 4 only!  :S

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0GEShaVIAE1FCm.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0GELEWUoAAE3nv.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0GELEVVQAAMShs.jpg)

Falcom will not be winning the "most improved award" for their graphics like Gust did for their work in the Atelier series, but the PS4 update creates a nice look for the basic but very clean and pretty 3D models.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of
Post by: Isjaki on December 20, 2016, 12:38:30 AM
These screens look slick as hell. I'm a little bummed about PS4 only due to I&II working so well as Vita games (minus some frame rate issues), but it means they have more to work with and fewer limitations.

That battle UI looks DOPE AFFFFF
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Rucks on December 20, 2016, 01:36:25 AM
Every time sony refuses to release a game for Vita, I die a little inside.  There is no rhyme or reason to their release patterns either.  "Here's attack on titan for some reason, but not the direct sequel to 2 successful Vita games".

Whatever, just kill it already so it can take its proper and deserved place as the handheld dreamcast in 5 - 10 years.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Kevadu on December 20, 2016, 01:39:23 AM
Sony?  What makes you think they're the ones making these decisions?

Anyway, looks slick.  I kind of wish the first 2 were on PS4 too though...
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Rucks on December 20, 2016, 01:43:50 AM
Sony?  What makes you think they're the ones making these decisions?

Anyway, looks slick.  I kind of wish the first 2 were on PS4 too though...
^ right? I guess we can all forget about carrying over saved game data from the previous titles

and I don't blame sony, it just fit the tone of my rant better to shout at the monolith keeping the Vita on life support rather than individual devs who don;t want to release a title for a failing system.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on December 20, 2016, 06:34:10 AM
^ right? I guess we can all forget about carrying over saved game data from the previous titles
Why? You can transfer saves between PS3 and Vita right now for Cold Steel 1->2, and I know that there is cross saves for PS3->PS4 for some Warriors games. So it is entirely possible that they could do something similar and have Cold Steel 3 grab your cloud save from Cold Steel 2.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Towns Car Marty on December 20, 2016, 07:39:26 AM
Dice got dat finger on the pulse as always. Nice find!
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Starmongoose on December 20, 2016, 07:40:49 AM
Ouh, me likey.

Looks so good!
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Towns Car Marty on December 20, 2016, 07:43:19 AM
maybe there's no data transfer function built into the plot? looks like it's set several years later.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on December 20, 2016, 10:28:08 AM
It looks..... so..... beautiful......      o______o
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Marshmallow on December 20, 2016, 05:05:31 PM
Super hype! Sucks that I won't be able to complete the trilogy on Vita, but I'll be playing the hell out of this regardless.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 20, 2016, 08:30:44 PM
*Sigh* Damnit. And I'm a stickler for having a whole trilogy on the same format. I haven't been this irked since Metroid Prime 3: Corruption was announced for the Wii.

Hopefully this one will work itself out in a similar fashion. Should I make it through the first two games before then, however, I'll still get #3. It doesn't irk me that much. It does, however, guarantee that I won't be pre-ordering.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on December 20, 2016, 09:06:37 PM
maybe there's no data transfer function built into the plot? looks like it's set several years later.
Well they could probably get around a lot of details related to importing, but if they don't have an import they will have to do the Tales of Symphonia fake import for which ending you got since Rean is in a relationship (of sorts) in at least some of his endings. And that is kind of an important detail. Also probably an important detail as to whether you finished the Dark History NG+ quest because that should...have some sort of impact on things (for reasons I can not go into without spoilers).

Again, since they have a cloud save, transferring should be doable. Just make sure you keep a save in the post-game dungeon uploaded for importing.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Rucks on December 21, 2016, 04:55:58 AM
^ So basically they are forcing you to buy playstation plus to import your save data
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Towns Car Marty on December 21, 2016, 05:42:18 AM
they're not doing anything yet?

plus you could probably achieve the same result with a usb stick
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Aeolus on December 28, 2016, 11:31:03 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/12/28/legend-heroes-trails-sky-3rd-translation-complete/

Praise Adidos! The TitS are back in town.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Dice on December 28, 2016, 11:52:18 PM
Lucky!!

I beat TitS SC tonight. x)
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Agent D. on December 29, 2016, 02:34:58 PM
Lucky!!

I beat TitS SC tonight. x)
Goddamnit my game queue is about to hit serious levels this year. Still need to play tits 2 and cold steel 2, ARRRRGGGHHHHJ
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on December 29, 2016, 05:17:11 PM
^ At least we're together in that boat, D.

Although I haven't even played Cold Steel 1 yet. 


(please don't kick me out of the boat, the water is so very cold)
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Agent D. on December 29, 2016, 05:51:22 PM
^ At least we're together in that boat, D.

Although I haven't even played Cold Steel 1 yet. 


(please don't kick me out of the boat, the water is so very cold)
Cold Steel is very basic rpg fare, but it does it well. You'd enjoy it I think. Now sit back down before you flip the damn boat!
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on December 30, 2016, 09:39:04 AM
Oh, you don't need to sell me on Cold Steel.  It's one of my most anticipated RPGs.  But... I have rules, and I can't just start/stop games willy-nilly according to my whims, you see.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Isjaki on December 30, 2016, 01:32:53 PM
Oh, you don't need to sell me on Cold Steel.  It's one of my most anticipated RPGs.  But... I have rules, and I can't just start/stop games willy-nilly according to my whims, you see.

I wish I was like this! I'm in the middle of about 10 games currently. TitS SC is one of the games I'm in the middle of. D:

Cold Steel is wonderful and Cold Steel II is my game of the year with nothing really coming close.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 30, 2016, 09:43:32 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/12/28/legend-heroes-trails-sky-3rd-translation-complete/

Praise Adidos! The TitS are back in town.

...Wait, when did they even announce that this was happening? At all? I thought they specifically said that pigs would fly before they translated the third game in the series? Should I cancel my next flight to the mid-west in case it goes over a pig farm?
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Kevadu on December 31, 2016, 01:04:05 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/12/28/legend-heroes-trails-sky-3rd-translation-complete/

Praise Adidos! The TitS are back in town.

...Wait, when did they even announce that this was happening? At all? I thought they specifically said that pigs would fly before they translated the third game in the series? Should I cancel my next flight to the mid-west in case it goes over a pig farm?

They mentioned a while back that they were going to try and do it.  I can't remember it actually being totally confirmed that it was happening, though.  But I guess it is.

Obviously it's PC-only, though.  Not even Xseed is going to try and release a PSP game this late...
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Isjaki on December 31, 2016, 01:34:44 AM
They actually did confirm it early this year!

http://gematsu.com/2016/03/legend-heroes-trails-sky-3rd-coming-west-pc-2017 (http://gematsu.com/2016/03/legend-heroes-trails-sky-3rd-coming-west-pc-2017)
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on January 09, 2017, 03:04:45 PM
So what do I need to know about the costume DLC before I dive into Cold Steel?
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on January 09, 2017, 05:23:34 PM
So what do I need to know about the costume DLC before I dive into Cold Steel?
I feel like that is a weird question, but here is everything I can think of. The costumes DLCs for both games are not obtainable in either game. They provide no stat bonuses and just cosmetic. In game the only costumes you really acquire are the winter and summer uniforms unless you do a NG+ (and due to how CS structures its NG+ you probably wouldn't want to grab the NG+ costumes until a second or third NG+) with two minor exceptions that I can think of. Something to note is that if you buy any costumes for CS1, you can use them in CS2 as well (with one exception that I cannot explain because...reasons, and don't ask about those reasons). However a lot of people tend to prefer the CS2 DLC costumes for most chars, so that is something to consider as well.

Oh and there are some minor spoilers in terms of who has costumes. So if you look at the full costume list for CS1 you will get some minor spoilers regarding who joins your party. And just don't look at the full costume list of CS2 until you beat CS1. I can't explain why, just trust me. >.>
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on January 09, 2017, 06:02:40 PM
Thanks, Rana-chan.  Is that what we're calling you now?

Anyways, I'm asking because I don't want to spend $14 on the whole Costume DLC Pack if they're, like... I don't know, not usable for a long time, or look like garbage, or turn the female characters into strippers or anything like that.

The fact that they're usable in CSII is good.  So I'm assuming, then, that the CSII costumes are.... probably not usable in CSI, then?  Dubious, but it is xSeed.  They might could pull off something like that.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on January 09, 2017, 06:52:28 PM
Thanks, Rana-chan.  Is that what we're calling you now?

Anyways, I'm asking because I don't want to spend $14 on the whole Costume DLC Pack if they're, like... I don't know, not usable for a long time, or look like garbage, or turn the female characters into strippers or anything like that.

The fact that they're usable in CSII is good.  So I'm assuming, then, that the CSII costumes are.... probably not usable in CSI, then?  Dubious, but it is xSeed.  They might could pull off something like that.
If you are going to shorten my name, I'd go with Ran-chan.

For usability, they are usable as soon as you recruit the character. Actually I guess "technically" that isn't 100% true. When you get the DLC, what you are given is an item in the key items section of your items. When you use that item it gives you the corresponding costume (done this way for NG+ purposes I think). So then you can equip the costume you get from using the key item as soon as you get the character in your party (and they will keep the costume even when they leave your party for a period of time, which can result in humorous results for one or two chars).

None of the costumes turn the females into strippers. As for garbage...depends on your tastes? I think I kept all of my characters but 2 in their DLC outfits throughout all my runs of CS1. Then in CS2, I think I still kept a few of them in their CS1 DLC outfits (although a majority changed to their CS2 DLC outfits as I recall). However I know there are some people who do not like the CS1 DLC outfits at all.

CS2 DLC is not usable in CS1. Which is a shame because if I were ever insane enough to play through both games AGAIN (that would be playthrough 4?), I would probably love to use some of the CS2 DLC costumes in CS1.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on January 10, 2017, 01:58:50 PM
So, I can switch costumes back and forth as often as I like?

Also, how many costumes are in the game?  Just default and paid DLC?
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Starmongoose on January 10, 2017, 03:16:50 PM
I never knew people cared so much about costumes.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on January 10, 2017, 03:51:51 PM
LOL, it's just me.  I love them.  Why else would I pay $14 extra for them (besides to support xSeed and the JRPG genre)?
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Frostillicus on January 10, 2017, 04:18:22 PM
DLC costumes (especially non-functional ones) are a straight rip off. It's amazing what people would rather have than money. =D
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on January 10, 2017, 04:36:01 PM
I'd rather have those costumes than a dinner-for-one at Applebee's.  I enjoy RPGs with costumes more than RPGs without them.

Not a lot more, of course.  But a little.  Plus, I like supporting the publishers of good games.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Frostillicus on January 10, 2017, 05:54:28 PM
I'd rather have those costumes than a dinner-for-one at Applebee's.

Hey, that's actually how I justify unnecessary purchases, too. Comparing it to spending similar money on something you're going to poop or pee out hours later. ;)
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on January 10, 2017, 08:40:22 PM
So, I can switch costumes back and forth as often as I like?

Also, how many costumes are in the game?  Just default and paid DLC?
Depends on the character? Every character has a winter uniform (their default) and a summer outfit (basically lose the jacket and maybe a few tweaks). Two characters have...one other costume. These are all the costumes you get in your first playthrough without DLC.

In NG+, you get 5 points for every time you beat the game which can be used to buy various options for your NG+. Among these options are several which give you costumes. You probably wouldn't normally choose them on your first NG+ because you need 5 points to get all the mechanical carry over options. As I recall the three costume options are swimsuit, school festival, and various others (grab bag for a bunch of minor costumes from cutscenes like a couple of chars get PJs, one girl gets her lacrosse uniform, and a couple other random things)
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Nel_Annette on January 10, 2017, 09:00:53 PM
I love playing dress-up with my little waifus and heroes, but not enough to pay actual money. Tales of Graces PS3 already burned me on that. Not happening again. XD
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Klutz64 on January 10, 2017, 11:56:23 PM
Pretty sure I've mentioned this before, but I can't talk about "wasting" money on cosmetics, having bought the $50 costume season pass alongside the $50 song season pass when Project Diva 2nd came out over here. Totally worth it, too, in my opinion.

There is a limit, though. For instance, at this point anyone who has bought all the DLC costumes for Dead or Alive 5 (or all 7 season passes) needs to put someone else in charge of their money.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Akanbe- on January 15, 2017, 10:27:32 PM
Would be more interested in this if we would see this anytime soon :-/ .  If we saw this before late 2018, I would be shocked.  Would be nice if we got the crossbell arc in the meantime so we don't forget everything that's going on in Zemuria.

New battle UI and screens look slick though.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: danholo on January 17, 2017, 04:57:50 AM
WHY DIDN'T I SEE THIS?!?! Game screens look awesome. I hope Rean and Co. are in the game in at least some capacity. Is that Rean in the trench coat? Must be:

(http://gematsu.com/gallery/albums/the-legend-of-heroes-trails-of-cold-steel-iii/december-20-2016/The-Legend-of-Heroes-Trails-of-Cold-Steel-III_2016_12-20-16_007.jpg)

 ToCS2 kind of ends on a cliff hanger (i.e., there's a lot introduced that doesn't get explored more) although that part of the story is pretty much finished. Trails in the Sky the 3rd supposedly takes a different take on the story, so this might take the same route with the story?

I love Trails of Cold Steel because it's like any manga/anime whose world just expands and the core story gets more depth with every installment. I wouldn't mind if ToCS3 was not the last one. They could also do more mash ups with the other series Sky and Azure/Zero.

edit: It seems that this is the case!!!

Quote
Where does the story of Trails of Cold Steel III start from?

“It starts a year and a half after the end of Trails of Cold Steel II. The members of Class VII, including the protagonist Rean, have graduated from the military academy and are each walking their own path. While the situation where Rean is being used by Osborne in Trails of Cold Steel II continues, he takes a new step at the beginning of Trails of Cold Steel III.

“This time, we’ll depict the western side of the empire, and you can also go to Byronia Island where there is a giant god statue similar to the one in Nord.

“The Trails in the Sky characters from Liberl Kingdom will appear again and join the party, and you’ll link up with a certain person from Trails in the Zero. The mystery of Rean’s birth will also be revealed in this game.”


Read more at http://gematsu.com/2016/12/legend-heroes-trails-cold-steel-iii-set-year-half-trails-cold-steel-ii#x3i4HjpKCJYPLIIe.99



I never knew people cared so much about costumes.

I don't get it either but for each their own.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Isjaki on January 17, 2017, 03:10:59 PM
I bought the Mega DLC bundle for Cold Steel II because I want to give XSEED and Falcom all of my money apparently. D:
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: danholo on January 19, 2017, 07:44:35 AM
Does Falcom get any of the revenue from that? I guess XSeed gets a distribution cut and Falcom get's the rest? I would like pure Falcom but gotta be thankful.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Aeolus on March 07, 2017, 09:28:58 PM
(spoilers) -- http://gematsu.com/2017/03/legend-heroes-trails-cold-steel-iii-introduces-prologue-first-characters -- (/spoilers)

Cum an' git yer deets raight heahr!
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on March 08, 2017, 12:08:21 PM
As someone who has never played CS and is just now getting to the climax of Trails SC, should I click that link, [member=1214]Aeolus[/member] ?
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Isjaki on March 08, 2017, 02:30:51 PM
As someone who has never played CS and is just now getting to the climax of Trails SC, should I click that link, [member=1214]Aeolus[/member] ?

DO NOT CLICK THE LINK
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on March 08, 2017, 03:34:57 PM
Thank you for the emphatic response
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on March 08, 2017, 05:12:34 PM
(spoilers) -- http://gematsu.com/2017/03/legend-heroes-trails-cold-steel-iii-introduces-prologue-first-characters -- (/spoilers)

Cum an' git yer deets raight heahr!
....huh serious shit happens off screen. Going to be interesting to see this.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Aeolus on April 07, 2017, 02:11:05 PM
http://gematsu.com/2017/04/legend-heroes-trails-sky-3rd-launches-may-3-west

Definite Release Date Get.

Get more Olivier, Joshua and Zin.


And while I'm at it, have some PC Cold Steel. http://gematsu.com/2017/04/legend-heroes-trails-cold-steel-coming-pc-summer
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on April 07, 2017, 02:25:05 PM
Sooooooo excited for Trails 3rd!

Thinking I'll get to it after Cold Steel I and II, though.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Aurian on April 08, 2017, 10:42:34 AM
PC only? *sob*
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Jake322 on May 03, 2017, 11:05:47 AM
Anybody else excited for Trails in the Sky 3rd today? I am still playing the second chapter, but as soon as I beat this game I will be going to 3rd. I am still buying it today to support the series. I remember back then looking at first chapter japanese screenshots thinking if this game would ever come in English. Now we are getting third chapter today. It's just really cool.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on May 03, 2017, 05:18:27 PM
I forget that the 3rd was coming out until a couple of days ago. Moment I remembered it was coming it, it got put into the next slot on my backlog (after I finish my second playthrough of Persona 5 in a couple of days). I'm looking forward to it because I hear there are a lot of juicy lore bits, but I don't know if I'm "excited" about it. Just the whole Sky trilogy has been dragged out so much at this point. I barely remember playing 1 anymore.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Towns Car Marty on May 04, 2017, 02:56:34 AM
Snagged it, loved the prologue, then it crashed before i could save. hoping this is an isolated incident.

Edit: OMG thank you xseed for autosaves.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Dice on May 05, 2017, 08:13:42 PM
I forget that the 3rd was coming out until a couple of days ago.

I don't think promoting is something XSEED is very good at....  Or given their tight ship, maybe they don't really allocate that much time to it.

Argh, I think I'll wait for reactions on this one...  I'm a little burnt out after 2nd, even as good as it was.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Towns Car Marty on May 06, 2017, 01:15:31 PM
um yeah maybe wait. not thrilled so far
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Dice on May 06, 2017, 01:19:53 PM
Argh....  Maybe give it a chapter or two??  I think FC and SC were pretty similar that they were really, really slow burns.  Hell, Cold Steel is doing that to me right now.  These games know climax's but hoo boy, you gotta sit through a shit load of exposition. 
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Mickeymac92 on May 06, 2017, 04:29:03 PM
I always liked the gradual intros some RPGs have, at least the pretty ones with good music in the backround. There's just something I find really charming about exploring a quaint town/village/city, conversing with all the locals, and learning about the world at my own (usually slow) pace. Maybe it's because it usually winds up being the 'calm before the storm' when the plot ramps up?

...or maybe it's because I've yet to have even a remotely as positive an experience exploring a real life town or city, thus further cementing the game as an escape from reality? Who knows!
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Towns Car Marty on May 06, 2017, 05:40:15 PM
That ain't what happens here. Gonna stick with it though.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Isjaki on May 06, 2017, 09:04:34 PM
Argh....  Maybe give it a chapter or two??  I think FC and SC were pretty similar that they were really, really slow burns.  Hell, Cold Steel is doing that to me right now.  These games know climax's but hoo boy, you gotta sit through a shit load of exposition.

They improved on this with Cold Steel II. That game is just pretty fucking excellent. Easily my favorite Trails game I've played. Still working my way through SC, but I don't think it will overtake CSII.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on May 07, 2017, 06:28:47 PM
So I just finished chapter 1 in Sky the Third, and so far it is about what I expected...but I've also done some reading on the game beforehand. So for anyone (aka Dice) who is considering getting the game, it probably is important for you to be aware of what the game is like beforehand. The Third really is just a collection of gaiden stories. As a result it is structured very differently from every other game. You are going through a single dungeon and will occasionally run into gaiden stories about a specific character as you advance through. The primary story really is a gaiden about Kevin that is used as a framing device to see what the characters from Sky have been up to since the end of Second Chapter.

It is a chance to have some more fun with characters from the Sky duology as opposed to a full game like every other game in the series. I've been having fun with it so far...but the story structure is kind of janky.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Kevadu on May 07, 2017, 09:49:10 PM
I also finished the first chapter...but I didn't do any reading on the game beforehand and really didn't know what to expect.  So it was a bit of a shock.

I can't say that I'm crazy about the way the game is set up.  Part of the problem is that the main dungeon where you spend 90% of your time is so bland.  You would think for a game that's completely built around one big dungeon they would have at least put some effort into making it an interesting dungeon.  But so far it's been basically a straight-line path (with occasional detours for treasure chests) with scenery so repetitive you can get completely turned around and not even realize it for quite a while.  And the battles aren't exactly thrilling either.  I'm getting quite sick of fighting random skeleton troops already...

From what little I've seen of them so far, the actual side story things are fun.  Nothing ground breaking but after spending so much time with these characters in the first two games it's nice to see what they've been up to.  It's almost interesting enough for me to slog through the boring main dungeon to get to this stuff...but it doesn't change the fact that most of the game just feels like work.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on May 07, 2017, 09:55:52 PM
I can't say that I'm crazy about the way the game is set up.  Part of the problem is that the main dungeon where you spend 90% of your time is so bland.  You would think for a game that's completely built around one big dungeon they would have at least put some effort into making it an interesting dungeon.  But so far it's been basically a straight-line path (with occasional detours for treasure chests) with scenery so repetitive you can get completely turned around and not even realize it for quite a while.  And the battles aren't exactly thrilling either.  I'm getting quite sick of fighting random skeleton troops already...
Well for better or for worse the second plane of the dungeon is reused assets (that are not physically linear) instead of a linear path. I hit chapter 3, but I haven't actually checked the third plane out yet. I'm expecting more reused assets though.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Aeolus on May 08, 2017, 12:17:12 AM
Its unfortunately the point where the devs realized that they largely backloaded the actual haps of the gameplay in a game that's no longer one single game and needed something meatier for the front half.

Really, TitS could be considered a VN running in a JRPG engine, except for the whole fact that there's 10000% more effort put into the game portion than your average VN, and the world building in TitS alone is miles ahead of even the main Ar Tonelico series.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on May 08, 2017, 09:39:36 PM
I beat chapter 3. Hurray! The plane was not reused assets like I expected, but it also was not particularly interesting either. I feel it is important for me to say "Screw the boss of the silver path," though because fuck that boss fight. And I suddenly remember hearing that this is the hardest Trails game. Oh joy if that bullshit was not the end of it. -_-

In terms of good stuff, I checked out the door that requires 100 battles today and it had some very interesting lore. I knew a lot of it already through various sources, but I really liked the way that some of it was presented. Checked out some of the other doors, but I don't recall anything particularly noteworthy in the others I checked out today other than being reminded that I ship Mueller with Julia.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on May 09, 2017, 12:08:45 PM
So, does it matter when, chronologically, I play Trails 3rd?  Can I go ahead and start Cold Steel before playing 3rd?
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: kkhohoho on May 09, 2017, 05:41:15 PM
So, does it matter when, chronologically, I play Trails 3rd?  Can I go ahead and start Cold Steel before playing 3rd?

Probably. That's what I did. But at the same time, I only did so because I didn't have The Third. So now that you actually have The Third, you might as well play that before starting Cold Steel. Your choice though.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on May 09, 2017, 06:23:58 PM
So, does it matter when, chronologically, I play Trails 3rd?  Can I go ahead and start Cold Steel before playing 3rd?
Off the top of my head, I can only think of one minorish event from Cold Steel that is a direct reference to events (that I am aware of) from the 3rd. I don't think you'll be spoiling yourself of anything major from the 3rd by playing Cold Steel. There is one major story beat from the 3rd that is spoiled in a blink and you miss it line in Cold Steel 2, so I would recommend beating the 3rd before that,

There are several reasons to play the 3rd before Cold Steel though. For example, the 3rd basically has the same battle system as the other Sky games while Cold Steel introduces some new elements. So it might be easier to play the 3rd before you get used to the changes from Cold Steel. Also the 3rd provides some context for some elements that are used in the Cold Steel games such as the North Ambrian Disaster (although that is more of a Cold Steel 2 thing). Nothing absolutely necessary that I have found so far, but it is something to keep in mind.

Edit: Oh right Lechter is introduced in one of the side stories in the 3rd. That would probably impact how you take some minor scenes in Cold Steel if you know something about him beforehand. Probably not important, now if we were talking about Zero/Azure that would be significantly more important.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on May 10, 2017, 10:05:41 AM
Alrighty.  That is all very helpful!  But now I have to buy yet another game before I can start Cold Steel..... T____T
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on May 11, 2017, 09:18:14 PM
Whelp I just finished getting the band back together, so started doing doors that I hadn't done yet...and fuck the fishing minigame. Whether you win or lose with your score is 100% RNG. Prize is apparently not that great so I will be leaving this door incomplete after learing chapter 1. I'd probably slog through it for completion's sake if it wasn't for the fact that the number of rounds for the minigame increases each chapter. Chapter 1 is 5 rounds, chapter 2 is 10 rounds, and I do not want to find out whether chapter 3 is 15 or 20 rounds. >.>

Overall story has been decent so far. Meanwhile, the lore bits have been fascinating. Some of the gaiden stories they decided to tell are interesting choices though.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Isjaki on May 11, 2017, 10:38:00 PM
I personally wished I had played FC-3RD before playing CS I&II. While I enjoyed FC and am currently enjoying SC, I find myself wishing these games had the improvements that CS had. Mostly in the combat and the orbment systems.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on May 14, 2017, 05:22:00 PM
Alright, so I have now beaten the Third. I found it to be an enjoyable ride, but it is probably the weakest Trails game to be released in English. Considering that Crossbell has a fairly good reputation, it is probably the weakest Trails game to date (although I kinda knew that going in).

It does some good world building establishing things for later games (although I knew some of it already from the Cold Steel games). Personally I'd say the game was worth it for me simply for the lore (some of which I expect to eventually have to review as future games come out as I might not recognize all the significance in some of it atm). Really would love to discuss the lore revelations from it, but I'm guessing no one else has finished all the doors yet. Speaking of which, I HIGHLY recommend that you finish all the doors. The door that unlocks after you unlock every other door (Star Door 14?) has a fairly important bridge scene from the Sky series to the Crossbell/Erebonian series.

I do have to say that they made some weird choices in regards to some of the doors. Like Moon Door 5. I have no idea on why they did that story. And I was kind of surprised that there was no scenes related to:
[spoiler]Lucciola's backstory.[/spoiler]

The central plot was serviceable as a framing device. I imagine people will be divided on how good it is. I personally did not feel a strong connection with Kevin, so that part of the story kind of fell flat for me. I enjoyed spending time with most of the rest of the cast though.

Don't have a lot to say on the gameplay as I kind of possibly cheated my way through. >.> Although the game really seems to love using petrification and instant KOs, so be prepared for a lot of that BS.

In summary, enjoyable game (especially for lore nuts), but also the weakest of the series.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: ScottC on May 16, 2017, 04:44:37 AM
So I started Trails in the Sky like 2 weeks ago.  I now finished all three games back to back.  I really loved these games and the world its set it.  Lookin forward to Cold Steel now.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on May 16, 2017, 06:47:47 AM
So I started Trails in the Sky like 2 weeks ago.  I now finished all three games back to back.  I really loved these games and the world its set it.  Lookin forward to Cold Steel now.
That's kind of impressive as I think it took me two weeks just for the Third and that is the short game.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Mickeymac92 on May 16, 2017, 10:56:37 AM
So I started Trails in the Sky like 2 weeks ago.  I now finished all three games back to back.  I really loved these games and the world its set it.  Lookin forward to Cold Steel now.
That's kind of impressive as I think it took me two weeks just for the Third and that is the short game.

Yeah, seriously man, did you even sleep?
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: ScottC on May 16, 2017, 01:12:48 PM
Eh I had nothing else to play and trying to get through backlog games before Stormblood next month.

So I went through my in game time stamps for each game to see how long each took.  The first two are 100% full BP runs and the third is 100% all doors and all bosses.

Trails 1 - 39 hours
Trails 2 -  57.5 hour
Trails 3 -  41.5 hours

That's how long it should take anyone going for full runs of the games to complete them, assuming you read pretty fast.  That's really not as super long as I think a lot of people make them out to be.  In fact, if you skipped a lot of the optional stuff, played on normal or easy difficulty, and played only for main story they would be significantly shorter. 
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on May 16, 2017, 02:21:59 PM
Uh... did you just ignore the sidequests, mostly, [member=5262]ScottC[/member] ?
I put like 110 hours into SC.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: ScottC on May 16, 2017, 02:51:53 PM
Nope those were 100% runs I did everything in all 3 games.  I had full BP in both 1 and 2 with all the books and optional scenes and did all doors and bosses in 3.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on May 16, 2017, 02:56:41 PM
Good heavens.  Did you follow a walkthrough?  Or do I seriously read that slowly?
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: ScottC on May 16, 2017, 03:11:37 PM
Here is a screenshot at the end of each game.  I only looked up what was missable/hidden everything else I did by myself.  3 is super straightforward though u can't miss anything.

Trails 1
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=927117935

Trails 2
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=927118815

Trails 3
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=927120164

And for the record I beat every fight as well in all 3 games including the two against you know who in FC and SC.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: kkhohoho on May 16, 2017, 03:31:08 PM

That's how long it should take anyone going for full runs of the games to complete them, assuming you read pretty fast.

Yeah, no offense, but don't go assuming things. I read pretty fast, and it still took me over 60 hours to beat Trails 1 and over 120 to beat Trails 2, and I didn't putz around or anything either.  Though I guess my 'pretty fast' is your 'slow as molasses', from the look of things.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on May 16, 2017, 03:34:16 PM

That's how long it should take anyone going for full runs of the games to complete them, assuming you read pretty fast.

Yeah, no offense, but don't go assuming things. I read pretty fast, and it still took me over 60 hours to beat Trails 1 and over 120 to beat Trails 2, and I didn't putz around or anything either.  Though I guess my 'pretty fast' is your 'slow as molasses', from the look of things.

Ok, whew, it's not just me...  -_-
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Frostillicus on May 16, 2017, 03:37:32 PM

That's how long it should take anyone going for full runs of the games to complete them, assuming you read pretty fast.

Yeah, no offense, but don't go assuming things. I read pretty fast, and it still took me over 60 hours to beat Trails 1 and over 120 to beat Trails 2, and I didn't putz around or anything either.  Though I guess my 'pretty fast' is your 'slow as molasses', from the look of things.

Ok, whew, it's not just me...  -_-

Don't hate. Scott's just a standard settin' mutha. We should all aspire.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: ScottC on May 16, 2017, 03:43:22 PM

That's how long it should take anyone going for full runs of the games to complete them, assuming you read pretty fast.

Yeah, no offense, but don't go assuming things. I read pretty fast, and it still took me over 60 hours to beat Trails 1 and over 120 to beat Trails 2, and I didn't putz around or anything either.  Though I guess my 'pretty fast' is your 'slow as molasses', from the look of things.

None taken.  I guess I just do things fast.  I just felt like the games weren't as long as everyone said they were.  I was warned like by everyone that they were super long.  In fact the SC time would have been faster if I didn't backtrack a ton in the final dungeon to match characters to bosses for dialogue reasons or try to get the Anton Steam achievement which is a huge waste of time but worth it casue its fun to wtch him get rejected over and over again.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Klutz64 on May 16, 2017, 04:14:04 PM
I'm still stuck on the fact that even WITH those times you'd have to have an average of 10 hours free time per day to play which makes me incredibly jealous.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on May 16, 2017, 04:15:42 PM
I'm still stuck on the fact that even WITH those times you'd have to have an average of 10 hours free time per day to play which makes me incredibly jealous.

I'll second your jealousy.  The mind reels.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: ScottC on May 16, 2017, 04:19:35 PM
Don't be, I quit my very well paying job in April due to issues with my terrible boss and working 6 days and over 50 hours a week .  I am just doing part-time work right now.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Mickeymac92 on May 16, 2017, 05:50:46 PM
To be fair, ScottC is an RPG review editor. I'm still amazed anybody could play/read that fast, but it's not like he hasn't had plenty of practice. =P
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Ranadiel on May 16, 2017, 06:15:44 PM
Eh I had nothing else to play and trying to get through backlog games before Stormblood next month.

So I went through my in game time stamps for each game to see how long each took.  The first two are 100% full BP runs and the third is 100% all doors and all bosses.

Trails 1 - 39 hours
Trails 2 -  57.5 hour
Trails 3 -  41.5 hours

That's how long it should take anyone going for full runs of the games to complete them, assuming you read pretty fast.  That's really not as super long as I think a lot of people make them out to be.  In fact, if you skipped a lot of the optional stuff, played on normal or easy difficulty, and played only for main story they would be significantly shorter.
I don't have quick access to my time for FC, but those don't look that far off from my Steam times which are:
SC- 66 hours
Third- 41

I can't remember if I made it a point to talk to every NPC in SC though.

Still leaves the question of how you did that many hours in one week...

Don't be, I quit my very well paying job in April due to issues with my terrible boss and working 6 days and over 50 hours a week .  I am just doing part-time work right now.
Okay your story checks out.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on March 01, 2018, 02:39:04 PM
So am I right in thinking that the "lines" in the ARCUS battle orbments in Cold Steel are completely pointless?
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Kevadu on March 01, 2018, 03:04:27 PM
So am I right in thinking that the "lines" in the ARCUS battle orbments in Cold Steel are completely pointless?

As far as I have been able to tell...yes.

Seriously if they have any effect I still haven't figure it out 2 games in.  Kind of disappointing to be honest.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Lian_Kazairl on March 01, 2018, 03:21:12 PM
So am I right in thinking that the "lines" in the ARCUS battle orbments in Cold Steel are completely pointless?

As far as I have been able to tell...yes.

Seriously if they have any effect I still haven't figure it out 2 games in.  Kind of disappointing to be honest.

No, they have a purpose. It's just not the same as in the Trails in the Sky trilogy.

Basically, lines determine max EP and how many different status effect quartz you can equip. Multiple lines means you can have have multiple status quartz. On the flip side, EP bonuses get higher the further into a line you go, so characters like Emma who have only one line will have higher max EP than those who have three.

[note: edited to give correct info]
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on March 01, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
Thanks, [member=5236]Lian_Kazairl[/member] , that was what I had noticed, but wasn't sure if there was more to it that I wasn't seeing.

So I could have multiple Attack 2 on Laura?  Or Blind, Poison, and Petrify on Fie, for example?
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Lian_Kazairl on March 01, 2018, 04:34:18 PM
Whoops. Actually I got that wrong. It's not stat quartz but status quartz that are limited to one per line. So your example with Fie you could do, but the example with Laura you couldn't as you're still limited to only one of a particular level of stat quartz, regardless of lines (you could, however, load her with Attack 1, 2, and 3, on either one line or multiple lines.) Sorry about that confusion, I'll edit my post above.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Starmongoose on March 01, 2018, 06:00:49 PM
Yeah, it's multiple status quartz like Lian said. I think someone has 4 lines, I can't remember who it was, but they can put a status inducing quartz on each line and have their attacks/crafts usually guarantee some sort of ailment, especially if you've got the Juggler quartz on.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Rook on March 01, 2018, 08:13:12 PM
Thanks, [member=5236]Lian_Kazairl[/member] , that was what I had noticed, but wasn't sure if there was more to it that I wasn't seeing.

So I could have multiple Attack 2 on Laura?  Or Blind, Poison, and Petrify on Fie, for example?

Fie is good with with the status effect orbs but later in the game for difficult bosses they often dont work. You can actually make Fie an evasion tank and get her evasion up to 90-105%.

I loaded up Laura with attack orbs, gave her Rean's master quartz and often saved her until late to put the finishing blows on some of the difficult bosses.

Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Lian_Kazairl on March 01, 2018, 10:14:30 PM
Yeah, evasion tank Fie is often the way to go for difficult bosses, particularly the Cryptids in CSII.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on March 02, 2018, 08:57:34 AM
Is Evasion Tank Fie the new Earth Wall Spam?
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Nel_Annette on March 04, 2018, 01:01:53 AM
During autumn last year I finally played through the Sky trilogy after only playing the first game on PSP in 2011. Was well worth the hype.

Spent December and January on Cold Steel 1. Made it about five hours into CS2 before I just... stopped. I think I might have burned myself out, but I also didn't find it as... charming(?) as the original trilogy, to be honest. I'll still make a point to go back to it by the end of the month though. I'm hoping it was just burn-out.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on March 06, 2018, 09:36:16 AM
Although I am utterly adoring every second of Cold Steel, I can already say I agree that it's "less charming" than the Sky trilogy.  Cold Steel enhances the scale of things, being rendered in full 3d polygons, but since they didn't put any extra effort into animation, the lack of expressiveness stands out.  While that can be filled in by our imaginations easily with sprites, it's harder to do with the 3d models of the CS characters.

That said, I still think it's an absurdly charming game, with the changing seasons of Trista being a steady source of joy for me as I progress through the game.

Speaking of which, Trista is a weird place.  It's got the academy, a huge church, MANY shops, a train station.... and like, two residences.  Doesn't really seem like a viable town.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Grainofariver on March 07, 2018, 03:24:41 AM
Re-playing through Cold Steel again on PC, it strikes me as so strange the amount of... for lack of a better way of putting it, "anime", this arc has. Sometimes they subvert tropes in interesting ways (I like what they did with the school clubs/activities transferring into the second game), but others they just play dead straight. Sometimes I feel the plot has some really interesting things to say, but sometimes they're shamelessly playing off of low hanging fruit. I'm trying to avoid going into specifics because it seems some people haven't finished, but suffice to say that, while I adore both games, I do wish the writing was a bit more consistent. I wonder how much of it is trying to make Cold Steel more appealing to a newer audience, and how much is just their style.

Speaking of appealing to a newer audience, I think the best thing Cold Steel does is get into the meat of the game much, much quicker than Sky. It's no exaggeration when I say that every single person I know who plays RPGs has given Trails in the Sky a shot, and not a single one has managed to make it past the prologue. I bought it when it first launched on Steam, and while the first few hours were a bit of a drag, everything past them was excellent. I eagerly awaited SC and bought it right away, but thought I'd play through FC once more for a refresher... and 3 years later I still haven't been able to make it past the prologue. SC sits untouched in my library because even knowing the quality that awaits beyond FC's first 3-5 hours, I just have not been able to do it.

Yet despite having played both Cold Steels PS3, I'm beginning Chapter 5 on my PC run. I even managed to convince one (and only one) person to give Cold Steel a try, and lo', they really enjoy it. So no matter what one might say about the quality of Cold Steel relative to the other games, give it huge props for that. I continue to buy each release to support the future of the series, and I'm really hoping that I'll be able to ride the momentum of Cold Steel and finally be able to shove past the first few hours of Sky.

Also, while I really, REALLY want the Crossbell games before Cold Steel 3, I also really, REALLY want to see Rean as an adult...
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on March 07, 2018, 09:33:00 AM
I'm trying to avoid going into specifics because it seems some people haven't finished, but suffice to say that, while I adore both games, I do wish the writing was a bit more consistent. I wonder how much of it is trying to make Cold Steel more appealing to a newer audience, and how much is just their style.


Since Falcom went with a much bigger budget for these games than they had with Sky or their Ys games, they absolutely made the writing more broad in an attempt to give a cheap sales bump.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Nel_Annette on March 07, 2018, 03:19:07 PM
I think it's just a combination of a few things. You're right, the game feels a lot more "anime" and "typical" rpg than the original trilogy.

-Rean isn't interesting to me. Estelle was a really fun protagonist, and I don't know if he gets better down the road but he's as generic a protagonist as it gets to me. Estelle felt like just a regular person (ignoring the whole daughter of a war hero thing) who got caught up fighting a conspiracy with a lot of interesting people. Rean's got that cliche "chosen one" thing going on and every girl wants him. He's just... *there* to me.

-The lore is there, but Erebonia is so different from Liberl that it almost feels like a different series to me. For all that talk about Liberl's technology giving it an edge over the big nations in the original game, it doesn't seem like it. Erebonia's got cars and their own tech lab city. It feels like these guys should be able to crush Liberl technologically at any time. It feels like it should be taking place farther along than just two years.

-I'm no prude, but it's a bit tonally jarring to suddenly have a bunch of cliche anime sex jokes like Rean falling face first into Alisa's breasts or Fie constantly commenting on the size of Emma's. I think the furthest the original trilogy ever went with that was Agate reminding Estelle not to bend over anymore because she had switched from shorts to a skirt, and *that* bit was actually funny.

-Admittedly, the graphics are a bit of a problem. I do think the original games' look was charming. It hasn't translated well to 3D. Feels like an old PS2 Tales game. At least give me the 2D illustrations of characters' heads when they're talking. Those were so much more expressive!

-I remember they kept touting that we didn't need to play the Crossbell games to understand this one. That's mostly true, but they reference "something's happening in Crossbell!" so much that it certainly feels like I'm missing out.

-I don't want to spoil anything, but the lore's getting a bit convoluted for my tastes. The first trilogy kept it relatively simple.

-Music hasn't been anywhere near as memorable. Just a personal thing.

-The class theme of the first game was really cool, but the structure of the chapters got really repetitive.

I still want to reiterate that I enjoyed the first game. Coming right off that original trilogy, though, it's kind of lacking. And like I said, I hope it's partly burnout from playing so much. From what I hear though, ToCS3 and 4 are just as much sequels to Crossbell as they are to Cold Steel, so I hope we get those eventually. And I do hope the story gets more interesting, because I don't know if I can sit through *four* sixty-hour games of this.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Grainofariver on March 07, 2018, 03:45:21 PM
Rean is a mixed bag for me. I like that he's a protagonist who actually acts like a leader. In most JRPGs the protagonist is the group leader because people look at him, recognise that he is the protagonist, and humbly bow before his glory. Rean at least starts taking charge, tries to problem solve, and generally maintains order within the group. His social standing also puts him in a good spot to mediate for everyone. His rise to the central figure of Class VII feels, to me, earned. On the other hand... (CS1 spoilers)

[spoiler]He's a super saiyan with a giant robot who constantly has girls (including his own adopted sister) fawning over him, but he's too dense to notice.[/spoiler]

I don't dislike Rean at all. Despite all the shonen-boy traits, they do enough with him to make him feel like his own character. Yet I feel I would like him better if they did a little more with (or used a few less of) the generic anime tropes.

Also, call me a hipster, but I actually find the 3D style they went with charming. When I turned the voices off because I didn't enjoy the dub, I discovered that it makes little beep sounds as text scrolls, akin to Dragon Quest. That feature, coupled with the visuals, made me feel very much like I was playing a PS2 game, but rather than find it dated, I found it extremely charming. Even now that I could theoretically grab the Japanese voices, just hearing voiced lines is so wrong to me. Sure the animations are rough (Cold Steel 2 touched them up a bit), but all-in-all I feel the PS2-era visuals have as much a charm to them as the older ones, albeit in a different way.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Nel_Annette on March 07, 2018, 03:53:29 PM
You're right, in all fairness to the character, he does at least take charge and act as a mediator for his friends. He earns that. He's just a bit bland personality-wise, despite that role.

And the stuff you spoilered, that *does* grate me.

[spoiler]I've had enough with "chosen one" plots, and that he not only has the whole super saiyan thing but also a giant stupid robot is just tiring. I feel Renne is the farthest we should have gone with the mecha side of the story, and by the end of CS1 there are sleek miniature Gundams all over the streets.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Grainofariver on March 07, 2018, 04:08:34 PM
[spoiler]I've had enough with "chosen one" plots, and that he not only has the whole super saiyan thing but also a giant stupid robot is just tiring. I feel Renne is the farthest we should have gone with the mecha side of the story, and by the end of CS1 there are sleek miniature Gundams all over the streets.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]As someone with 0 interest in Mecha, I agree.[/spoiler]

Oh my god, I just saw this in game, took a picture of it, and had to share it. Looks like posting images is out of the question, but I don't see anything about links in the rules, so:
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/933807031684356270/F98810FE21FBCBA3D5CC5305D06CC09174892E01/

I laugh more and more every time I look at it.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Rook on March 19, 2018, 08:39:46 PM
Rean is a mixed bag for me. I like that he's a protagonist who actually acts like a leader. In most JRPGs the protagonist is the group leader because people look at him, recognise that he is the protagonist, and humbly bow before his glory. Rean at least starts taking charge, tries to problem solve, and generally maintains order within the group. His social standing also puts him in a good spot to mediate for everyone. His rise to the central figure of Class VII feels, to me, earned. On the other hand... (CS1 spoilers)

[spoiler]He's a super saiyan with a giant robot who constantly has girls (including his own adopted sister) fawning over him, but he's too dense to notice.[/spoiler]

I don't dislike Rean at all. Despite all the shonen-boy traits, they do enough with him to make him feel like his own character. Yet I feel I would like him better if they did a little more with (or used a few less of) the generic anime tropes.

Also, call me a hipster, but I actually find the 3D style they went with charming. When I turned the voices off because I didn't enjoy the dub, I discovered that it makes little beep sounds as text scrolls, akin to Dragon Quest. That feature, coupled with the visuals, made me feel very much like I was playing a PS2 game, but rather than find it dated, I found it extremely charming. Even now that I could theoretically grab the Japanese voices, just hearing voiced lines is so wrong to me. Sure the animations are rough (Cold Steel 2 touched them up a bit), but all-in-all I feel the PS2-era visuals have as much a charm to them as the older ones, albeit in a different way.

I loved the dub and this its a lot better than the Japanese voices. It also helped that the VAs had an excellent translation to work with.

Other than the dungeons the graphics and art are excellent.

I imagine its hard to do a 3rd person protag, have some sembelance of player choice and they pulled it off w/ Rean. Maybe he doesn't have much any depth as a character but he's likable, mostly free of angst and/or raeg and comes off as a capable leader and a kid who realistically discovers what he really wants to be in life in his teen years. 

[spoiler]And OK its a bit harem-y but the game wants you to choose a gf. so yea you are probably going to have to write the story so that every girl has some feeling for him to make any kind of relationship believable (or do the harvest moon thing, where the girl only likes you if you buy them things) Also at the very least the game doesn't let you stick Rean's tougue down Fie or Millium's throat. [/spoiler]

 His bland "leader" speeches before bosses are kind of a self-aware in game joke and it works IMO. If he ever said anything of substance in them I think I might be disapointed.
[spoiler]
I'm not too keen on bringing gundams into CS's story but they are freaking long games and the Evagelions do vary the gameplay a bit and they are woven into the overall story good enough [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Electricb7 on June 27, 2018, 01:00:59 PM
is 'The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky' any good?

Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Aeolus on June 27, 2018, 01:54:41 PM
is 'The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky' any good?

Depends on how much text you want to read.

The gameplay is there. Serviceable, but not terribly thrilling.

TitS 1 (i.e. FC) is also mostly world building, with the final 20% actually having something resembling a plot, but it also establishes the stakes for TitS 2 (i.e. SC). TitS 3 (i.e. The 3rd) is basically the bridge that connects Sky with the later Trails in the/of Games and is consequently more sidestory focused.

But yeah, if you ever wanted to see a JRPG that actually explores and fleshes out its setting (beyond shoving in a datalog like a bunch of lazy fucks *cough*FFXIII-1*cough*), the Trails series are the only game in town.


TL;DR: Your Mileage May Vary.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Kevadu on June 27, 2018, 02:05:13 PM
is 'The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky' any good?

I have a much shorter response than Aeolus: Yes.  It is bloody fantastic.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Limlight on June 27, 2018, 02:39:27 PM
echoing, the first is....just slow there's no way around it but it's all world/character building. The rest of the series really picks up (but there's still a lot of text).
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Aeolus on October 01, 2018, 11:02:25 AM
https://gematsu.com/2018/10/the-legend-of-heroes-trails-of-cold-steel-i-and-ii-for-ps4-coming-west-in-early-2019

Woot! There it is!
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Nel_Annette on October 01, 2018, 03:16:00 PM
So... should I just stop my Cold Steel II playthrough or is there cross-save? XD

I want these, but at the same time, it's too soon for me to go all the way through CS1 again. Just did that last winter.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Limlight on October 01, 2018, 05:54:36 PM
day 1 buys for me, i love this series. Now it's set up for 3 and 4 to come to ps4/pc. God I can't wait. (my ps3 is in a box :(  )
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Mickeymac92 on October 01, 2018, 09:36:19 PM
Argue! Now I feel like a punk carting the Vita LEs during two moves...made packing such a hassle...though, I'm not sure if these versions have anything other than a higher res going for them, unlike the PC versions of Trails in the Sky. I'll have to look into it, before I spend $100...I do like Steelbooks, though, and Falcom usually has good music...
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Nel_Annette on January 17, 2019, 10:23:17 AM
Welp... NIS just put out a trailer for Trails of Cold Steel 3 on their Facebook page. XSeed didn't get it. Poop.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Aeolus on January 17, 2019, 10:40:47 AM
Welp... NIS just put out a trailer for Trails of Cold Steel 3 on their Facebook page. XSeed didn't get it. Poop.

To use my Discord response:

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/854/vader_NOOOO.jpg)
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Mickeymac92 on January 17, 2019, 02:33:59 PM
*Sigh* I know the trailer was probably rushed out for the announcement, but watching it compared to similar trailers for Cold Steel 1 & 2 really ticks my excitement down a notch. And I honestly can't tell if NISA is simply outbidding XSEED, or if XSEED no longer wishes to take on what they've admitted were extremely big projects. I'll probably still enjoy it, but I'm not expecting the level of polish the series has had up to this point, in terms of both localization and stability, if Ys VIII and Tokyo Xanadu are anything to go by.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Akanbe- on January 17, 2019, 07:02:55 PM
Crap.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Nel_Annette on January 17, 2019, 08:24:14 PM
And now instead of a $40-60 special edition, you get the typical NIS $100 special edition with a partial soundtrack and a bunch of plastic crap. Not that XSeed didn't do that, but it was at least cheaper.

I read that they got a few of the localizers from XSeed working on this? Is that true?
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: kkhohoho on January 17, 2019, 10:28:11 PM
And now instead of a $40-60 special edition, you get the typical NIS $100 special edition with a partial soundtrack and a bunch of plastic crap. Not that XSeed didn't do that, but it was at least cheaper.

I read that they got a few of the localizers from XSeed working on this? Is that true?

We'll know tomorrow. They're going to have a big conference on all the titles they're working on including CSIII. And they'll be introducing the localization staff personally.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Aeolus on January 17, 2019, 10:55:53 PM
I read that they got a few of the localizers from XSeed working on this? Is that true?

Perhaps, at least until they stop paying them, shove them in a box deep in the bowels of NISA headquarters, and feed them only one slice of moldy beweeviled bread, and some dirty water that was probably used to swab the deck and rung out of the mop, once every two days one 'all-beef' hotdog + a dab of the cheapest ketchup, mustard and relish known to man, and a single snack sized bag of chips (bottled water must be purchased from the company's vending machine for a buck fifty and no other source of on-site portable liquids), until they die, escape or the game leaves development hell and ships (plus the time needed for consumers to find all the bugs, to report them to NISA, for NISA project mangers to throw said report away, for their mangers to tell their 'staff' to simply 'fix it', and to release whatever patch comes from all of that which will only work on the PS4 version; the PC version will simply remain a Gordian Knot of programming, bugs, untranslated gobbledygook, 'Big Holes', and broken events until the end of time).
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Mickeymac92 on January 18, 2019, 01:31:17 AM
^They aren't making a PC port this time, going by the announcement. At least, I hope they don't bother with a PC port, they really haven't done a good job with them so far, last I checked.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: kkhohoho on January 18, 2019, 05:17:28 PM
So turns out the localization producer for Cold Steel III is Brittany Avery who has worked on the franchise ever since Trails in the Sky FC. They've also got Ryan Thomson and Kris Knigge, both of whom worked on Cold Steel I and II. Apparently the stream that revealed all this went from dismay and despair to cheers and ecasty in an instant. Hopefully that's a good sign.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Nel_Annette on January 18, 2019, 08:23:34 PM
I do remember her leaving XSeed some months back. Reassuring to know that she's part of this.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Rook on January 25, 2019, 10:40:06 AM
NIS supposedly has the contact to publish Falcom games here in the west so yea it was always going to be them. My theory (guess) to have what went on was CS3 was supposedly going to be released this spring (I mean why wouldn't it, its been out in Jpn for almost 18 months now). Then Ys8's turd translation dropped, Falcom was none too happy, saw the ongoing translation they were doing for CS3 and forced NIS to get their act together and start from scratch. And w/o a game to release in spring 2019 they announced a CS1-2 re-release.

Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Mickeymac92 on January 25, 2019, 04:27:22 PM
[member=5421]Rook[/member] sounds legit. Though, I always intended to get the console versions of Cold Steel 1 & 2. Now I don't have to get the last-gen versions, at least, and (hopefully) a decent translation of Cold Steel 3 on the same console.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on January 26, 2019, 05:46:30 AM
Personally, I think it's likely that NIS America has been working on this for awhile now.  Also, there may indeed be a point to the speculation that the game was going to come out this spring considering the disaster that was Ys VIII.  Also, considering how dense the narrative of the Trails games are, diverting resources to fix the Ys VIII localization probably delayed both this game's release and announcement.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: kkhohoho on March 11, 2019, 08:22:20 AM
New info about the Trails series among other things. The gist is that they've decided to divy up the main Trails team into two, having one team work on the next big project while another makes something smaller to tide the fans over. Might be another Crossbell/Erebonia dealie with one set of games taking place in a smaller country and another in a much larger one while taking place at the same time. Still don't know much more than that.

https://gematsu.com/2019/03/falcom-president-trails-team-divided-into-two-more-ps4-ports-being-considered-ys-ix-uses-motion-capture-and-more (https://gematsu.com/2019/03/falcom-president-trails-team-divided-into-two-more-ps4-ports-being-considered-ys-ix-uses-motion-capture-and-more)
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Arvis on March 11, 2019, 11:44:45 AM
Would be nice if they could "tide the fans over" with Crossbell in English, perhaps?
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: Aeolus on March 11, 2019, 12:29:30 PM
Would be nice if they could "tide the fans over" with Crossbell in English, perhaps?

Let's wait on CS3 before we start making wishes on monkey paws.
Title: Re: Trails/Kiseki Thread! Trails of Whateva
Post by: MoonlightRPG on April 16, 2019, 01:09:56 PM
I am so happy CS III is coming out since TC post :D. Played the first Cold Steel and I loved it ( gotta replay 1 and 2 to refresh myself before 3 comes out). *Phew Alisha is on fire* ;).