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Title: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: PandoraWizard on February 01, 2018, 06:12:26 PM
It's only a matter of time until the next entry in the series is announced. My survey is, how would you like the next game to me?

MMORPG? (FF11, FF14)
Tranditional/Celtic/Fantasy? (FF1, FF3, FF4, FF9)
Based on reality? (FF8, FF15)
Purely Story-driven? (FF7, FF10, Etc)
Magnum Opus (FF6)
Job System Driven (FF5, FFX-2)
Futuristic or Steampunk (FF7, FF8, FF13, FF15)
Openworld (FF12, FF11, FF14, FF15)
Etc.

Oh, and which music composer should handle the next entry?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Kevadu on February 01, 2018, 07:46:33 PM
You don't even mention FF6, your entire post is invalid.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Aeolus on February 02, 2018, 12:04:18 AM
You don't even mention FF6, your entire post is invalid.

Or Job Fiestas like FFs V and X-2 (although Bravely Default does have it covered somewhat).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Rucks on February 02, 2018, 01:30:17 AM
But will it be released before 2025?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Arvis on February 02, 2018, 08:47:31 AM
He also didn't list XV under the Open World category.

Personally, I vote for Job Class based system for FFXVI.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Agent D. on February 02, 2018, 10:50:42 AM
You don't even mention FF6, your entire post is invalid.
BRING THE PITCHFORKS, I SMELL A LYNCHING!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Klutz64 on February 02, 2018, 02:22:11 PM
I vote no FFXVI any time soon. After the clusterf--- that was FNC (culminating in the biggest clusterf--- of the entire project, FFXV) I'm sure they are rethinking the future of the series. Not so much as in questioning whether there will be more FF's, moreso where the series should even go from here to get back on its feet.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Aeolus on February 02, 2018, 06:55:11 PM
I vote no FFXVI any time soon. After the clusterf--- that was FNC (culminating in the biggest clusterf--- of the entire project, FFXV) I'm sure they are rethinking the future of the series. Not so much as in questioning whether there will be more FF's, moreso where the series should even go from here to get back on its feet.

I reckon that we're through the worst of what led Squeenix to Fabulous No Crystal Pepsi. That said, there really isn't much to identify FF as a brand other than the name and Chocobos: Y/N?

Hell, I vote that FFXVI be the adventures of the Four Brand Mascots of Light (Moogle, Chocobo, Cid and Garland), and just be done with it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on February 02, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
It's only a matter of time until the next entry in the series is announced. My survey is, how would you like the next game to me?

MMORPG? (FF11, FF14)
Tranditional/Celtic/Fantasy? (FF1, FF3, FF4, FF9)
Based on reality? (FF8, FF15)
Purely Story-driven? (FF7, FF10, Etc)
Openworld (FF12, FF11, FF14)
Etc.
In regards to the next game in the franchise being an MMO, my answer to that is an emphatic, enthusiastic, energetic FUCK NO!  What I would want in the next Final Fantasy is a return to the fantasy setting (although with relatively realistic character designs, no SD characters)  and return of the navigable world map.  I am more than happy to do without the open world mechanic.  I do want a story with both a strong plot as well as well developed characters.

Beyond that, I'm relatively flexible.  The two big things for me are that the series return to a fantasy setting and that it remain exclusively single player.  The biggest thing, though is that it must absolutely not have any micro transactions.  If the trade off is a higher purchase price, I'm willing to deal with that.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Dincrest on February 02, 2018, 09:49:47 PM
My addition to this survey would be a question regarding who you'd want to compose the music for this new FF game.  I would love to see Tsuyoshi Sekito compose for a mainline FF game.  He's a criminally underrated and overlooked composer. 

EDIT: Considering the other points...

I'd like to see another single-player traditional (read: medieval type) fantasy installment with knights, castles, and flowing robes.  And like MonCapitan, I'd like to see realistically proportioned characters rather than chibis. 

I tend to prefer games that are more character/story driven (I'm not big into dungeon crawls) and don't have overly complicated or arbitrary-feeling gameplay elements (the License Board in FF12 felt totally tacked on.)

Speaking of characters, I'd prefer to see a character designer other than Tetsuya Nomura or Yoshitaka Amano.  No pretty boys with belt and zipper fetishes.  No characters who look like they're deathly ill from malnutrition, drug overdoses, or both.  Someone different to inject a fresh vibrancy into the art. 

I'd like to see a return of that happy medium between corridor linear and total open world- that traditional RPG type world with an overworld, towns, and dungeons. 

I'm a turn-based traditionalist and think that FFX had the absolute best battle system in the entire series and am surprised it wasn't used again. 

Another element I'm surprised hasn't really been used much was the ATEs from FF9.  Similar to Star Ocean's Private Actions, I loved how triggering those would show insight into what the others in the party were doing around town.  Because realistically, they would scatter and do stuff and not just follow the leader like sheep.  One of my favorite scenes in FF9 was when Zidane goes into an armor shop and comments "What a cheesy suit of armor.  Who would buy this crap?"  Then later on in an ATE, Steiner goes into that same shop and comments on what a fine suit of armor it is. 

My biggest problem with modern JRPGs is that the menu interfaces look stylish but are not ergonomically functional.  Menu navigation is more convoluted than need be and fonts are always minuscule.  Why is there never an option to increase the font sizes in menus and dialogue boxes?  Give me clean, simple menu layouts and large legible fonts. 

And to +1 MonCapitan again, no microtransactions.  I miss the good ol' days when I usually got the full game right out of the box. 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: PandoraWizard on February 03, 2018, 11:36:54 AM
I've updated my survey accordingly to your comments.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Rook on February 03, 2018, 04:52:36 PM
I'm fine with Nomura being the character designer if it means he's not the director or writing dialogue.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Dincrest on February 03, 2018, 05:11:59 PM
Still, all this is just fanciful thinking. 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Arvis on February 05, 2018, 11:04:51 AM
Let's face it: Akihiko Yoshida should be the designer on the next several FFs.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Dincrest on February 06, 2018, 04:32:54 PM
Yo, that would be sick-tight!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Marshmallow on February 06, 2018, 05:31:36 PM
I'm probably in the minority but I don't really like Yoshida's designs (similarly, I don't like Amano's designs) and really prefer the FF artwork done by Tetsuya Nomura.  My dream would be if Kimihiko Fujisaka (who did the designs for NieR, Drakengard and The Last Story) would do character designs.

I'm also probably in the minority because I really liked XV, but I'd be happy if we got another modern-era game, but one with a battle system more reminiscent of X, and characters with their own unique sets of abilities instead of something like the job system.

I hate multiplayer RPGs, so I really hope they're done with that for a while.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Klutz64 on February 06, 2018, 11:23:55 PM
Honestly, to agree with Aeolus, once you start bouncing around the art direction and music and everything else to whatever team you feel like, what's left to identify it as a Final Fantasy game other than a couple of references/staples?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Dincrest on February 07, 2018, 06:05:34 PM
It's the Locke's Sock paradox. 

Quote
Locke's Socks
John Locke proposed a scenario regarding a favorite sock that develops a hole. He questioned whether the sock would still be the same after a patch was applied to the hole. If yes, then, would it still be the same sock after a second patch was applied? Indeed, would it still be the same sock many years later, even after all of the material of the original sock has been replaced with patches?

And the same could be said about bands who have often replaced members to the point where there might only be one original member or no original members at all. 

And then there's the whole analogy of Saturday Night Live that replaces its cast every so often.  Every generation has its favorite SNL cast. 

We could also talk about other popular "things" that are deviating greatly from what they once were.  Many old school Star Wars fans are up in arms over The Last Jedi because it blatantly shouted "This ain't your daddy's Star Wars any more!"

EDIT: And my take on Locke's Sock is that while it isn't the same sock that it originally was (since none of the original material exists), it's still "my" sock.  I still have the memories of all the patches I put on it.  It will always be my favorite sock. 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Arvis on February 08, 2018, 09:44:55 AM
Ever17 explored that concept in interesting ways.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Dincrest on February 08, 2018, 01:24:03 PM
Ever17 explored that concept in interesting ways.

999 (9 Hours, 9 Persons, 9 Doors) also does.  In fact, someone in that game literally tells another character about the Locke's Sock phenomenon.  (And it's not lost on me that 999 and Ever17 share some staff.)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Lard on February 10, 2018, 10:42:57 AM
I'd like to see another single-player traditional (read: medieval type) fantasy installment with knights, castles, and flowing robes.  And like MonCapitan, I'd like to see realistically proportioned characters rather than chibis. 

I tend to prefer games that are more character/story driven (I'm not big into dungeon crawls) and don't have overly complicated or arbitrary-feeling gameplay elements (the License Board in FF12 felt totally tacked on.)

Speaking of characters, I'd prefer to see a character designer other than Tetsuya Nomura or Yoshitaka Amano.  No pretty boys with belt and zipper fetishes.  No characters who look like they're deathly ill from malnutrition, drug overdoses, or both.  Someone different to inject a fresh vibrancy into the art. 

I'd like to see a return of that happy medium between corridor linear and total open world- that traditional RPG type world with an overworld, towns, and dungeons. 

I'm a turn-based traditionalist and think that FFX had the absolute best battle system in the entire series and am surprised it wasn't used again. 

Another element I'm surprised hasn't really been used much was the ATEs from FF9.  Similar to Star Ocean's Private Actions, I loved how triggering those would show insight into what the others in the party were doing around town.  Because realistically, they would scatter and do stuff and not just follow the leader like sheep.  One of my favorite scenes in FF9 was when Zidane goes into an armor shop and comments "What a cheesy suit of armor.  Who would buy this crap?"  Then later on in an ATE, Steiner goes into that same shop and comments on what a fine suit of armor it is. 

My biggest problem with modern JRPGs is that the menu interfaces look stylish but are not ergonomically functional.  Menu navigation is more convoluted than need be and fonts are always minuscule.  Why is there never an option to increase the font sizes in menus and dialogue boxes?  Give me clean, simple menu layouts and large legible fonts. 

And to +1 MonCapitan again, no microtransactions.  I miss the good ol' days when I usually got the full game right out of the box.

You summed up everything I came here to write.

And I still maintain there hasn't been a good FF game since FF X.

FF 13 was the closest. It had a great battle system but the story was just kind of meh.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Dincrest on February 10, 2018, 11:51:16 AM
FF13 also had an incredible soundtrack; possibly one of the best in the series.  Between that and perhaps the best pieces in FFX's soundtrack, Masashi Hamauzu's contributions to FF music have been wonderful.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: mooserocka on April 25, 2018, 11:38:42 PM
i want it to ACTUALLY be a new finished game. 15 was unfinished and rushed , i also want it to be a stand alone game not like part 2-3 etc, Or a million downloads after .
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Arvis on April 26, 2018, 08:40:17 AM
i want it to ACTUALLY be a new finished game. 15 was unfinished and rushed , i also want it to be a stand alone game not like part 2-3 etc, Or a million downloads after .

Never going to happen.  Every mainline FF from now until forever will have DLC, sequels, supplemental games/chapters, etc etc.  It's the new normal, may as well accept it.  A lot of the time the supplemental content is fantastic, so it's not inherently bad.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on April 27, 2018, 08:26:45 PM
Not necessarily.  I just finished Ni No Kuni II and it feels like a complete game regardless of the fact that there's DLC coming.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Arvis on April 30, 2018, 09:59:37 AM
True, but he specifically said he didn't want XVI to have any sequels or follow-ups, which is definitely not going to happen. It could still feel complete on its own, but it will have supplemental material.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: The Legendary Zoltan on May 06, 2018, 02:00:50 AM
Magnum Opus (FF6)

How can Magnum Opus be a category and not automatically win? Hahaaaa!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: mooserocka on May 11, 2018, 08:46:49 PM
I feel it also needs more then 1 summon to be a final fantasy. was very funny how ff 15 only had ramuh that was it lol.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Agent D. on May 12, 2018, 05:56:05 PM
I feel it also needs more then 1 summon to be a final fantasy. was very funny how ff 15 only had ramuh that was it lol.
Um....you had shiva and titan as well. Supposedly leviathan too but I never got her to appear.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: mooserocka on May 30, 2018, 12:59:44 AM
There will not be another final fantasy. IF anything it will be ff 13 -4 lol, or ff 15-2 i highly doubt we will see ff 16 anytime before a persona 6
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Agent D. on May 30, 2018, 11:04:42 PM
There will not be another final fantasy. IF anything it will be ff 13 -4 lol, or ff 15-2 i highly doubt we will see ff 16 anytime before a persona 6
Well considering it took how many years for a sequel to persona 4....yeah it's a crapshoot either way.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: mooserocka on June 03, 2018, 11:31:50 PM
That was the kinda joke i meant : D. For some reason lately the super franchises i really care about always take so long to make a new game in the series. I dont even like kingdom hearts and people have been waiting forever for 3. Im really hoping for something at e3 though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Kevadu on June 04, 2018, 12:49:46 AM
Maybe that's not actually a coincidence and the reason you care about those games is because they put time and effort into each one instead of crapping out annual installments.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 16 (survey)
Post by: Arvis on June 04, 2018, 11:20:14 AM
crapping out annual installments.

Poor Atelier series.  I hardly knew ye.