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Title: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: The Legendary Zoltan on May 13, 2018, 07:56:53 AM
There is a new game coming out called Omega Labyrinth Z. Aside from the main character having BOOBS THAT GROW ALL THE WAY UP TO A Z-CUP(!), the really interesting thing about this game is that it's being developed by Matrix Software. This is a company who has made exactly 4 games (that matter). Alundra, Torneko: The Last Hope, Alundra 2, and Dual Hearts. That first game, Alundra, is one of the greatest games ever made. It's not an RPG, though. Perhaps the other three games are pretty good as well, but I can't expect any of them to hold a candle to Alundra. Their last game, Dual Hearts came out SIXTEEN years ago. I'm very excited that Matrix Software is coming back after all this time with a major console game. I hope it's fun.

Any of you guys hear about this game or play any of Matrix's old games?
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Aeolus on May 13, 2018, 09:55:12 AM
There is a new game coming out called Omega Labyrinth Z. Aside from the main character having BOOBS THAT GROW ALL THE WAY UP TO A Z-CUP(!), the really interesting thing about this game is that it's being developed by Matrix Software. This is a company who has made exactly 4 games (that matter). Alundra, Torneko: The Last Hope, Alundra 2, and Dual Hearts. That first game, Alundra, is one of the greatest games ever made. It's not an RPG, though. Perhaps the other three games are pretty good as well, but I can't expect any of them to hold a candle to Alundra. Their last game, Dual Hearts came out SIXTEEN years ago. I'm very excited that Matrix Software is coming back after all this time with a major console game. I hope it's fun.

Any of you guys hear about this game or play any of Matrix's old games?

I've played some of their more recent games like the DS port of Final Fantasy 3 (whom some will recognize as that version of an FF game that's better ignored over the original NES/Famicom version) as well as hearing about their work on FF4, as well noted DS game Avalon Code (a game who's gimmick is that you record people, things, tools, monsters, magic and ideas into this book and use them to fight your way across the game and ultimately to rebuild the world; but in practice, falls incredibly short of even achieving basic gameplay mechanics (like the book being treated like an inventory menu, except that its horribly unorganized, chock full of clutter and an unsorted mess that you have to dive into every time you need something from it), and the plot is absolutely nothing to write home about either; choosing to squander absolutely everything about the conceit of the game).

So I hate to tell you this, but this game is exactly as vapid shovelware trash appealing only to the lowest common denominator as the cover and basic concept implies.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Kevadu on May 13, 2018, 02:20:33 PM
Strange how people can still support a company because of something they made 20 years ago when odds are the individuals responsible for that 20 year old success have long since moved on.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Mickeymac92 on May 13, 2018, 04:18:19 PM
Wait what?

...oh, that game that was actually banned by the UK ratings board. Yeah, I think I'll go back to pretending this clearly desperate, pandering game doesn't exist.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Monsoon on May 13, 2018, 05:22:42 PM
This is either a remake or a sequel of a game from 3 years ago.  RPGFan covered it (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2015/3614.html). 

It's a little weird that PQube is publishing it, since they're based in the UK and this game is banned in that region. 
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Dincrest on May 14, 2018, 06:15:01 PM
Oh, another cheesecake fanservicey dungeon crawler?  I feel like those are becoming more and more ubiquitous these days, and none of them are really that good.  Matrix struck gold with Alundra, but everything else in their catalog has been meh at best.   And I'm seeing this new title as a washed-up one-hit-wonder grasping for straws.  I know Matrix also collaborated with other companies on several projects, like that DS RPG Nostalgia that they did with Red Company.  I was unimpressed: http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/nostalgia/index.html. 
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Towns Car Marty on May 15, 2018, 08:01:34 AM
Arent all jrpgs already about boobs
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Aeolus on May 15, 2018, 09:03:17 AM
Arent all jrpgs already about boobs

I feel like there exists at least some kind of Cho Aniki style JRPG out there.

If not, then what the fuck Japan!? You need to get on this already.

...or were you referring to JRPG Protagonists in general?
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Ramza on May 16, 2018, 05:12:03 AM
There was indeed a Cho Aniki JRPG, on WonderSwan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNkERzq36g0

I reviewed the soundtrack for it too. :)

http://www.rpgfan.com/soundtracks/choaniki/
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Maxximum on May 16, 2018, 12:16:53 PM
All this talk about Alundra and no one mentioned the stream? :(
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Nel_Annette on May 16, 2018, 07:08:57 PM
Arent all jrpgs already about boobs

At the very least, every Tales Of game is required to designate at least one member of the party as "the boobs", as I like to call them. Luckily, whoever that is usually has a completely different personality to the others in the series.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Aeolus on May 16, 2018, 09:00:37 PM
Arent all jrpgs already about boobs

At the very least, every Tales Of game is required to designate at least one member of the party as "the boobs", as I like to call them. Luckily, whoever that is usually has a completely different personality to the others in the series.

Although the same can not be said about the Final Fantasy series.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on May 20, 2018, 07:12:16 AM
Arent all jrpgs already about boobs

At the very least, every Tales Of game is required to designate at least one member of the party as "the boobs", as I like to call them. Luckily, whoever that is usually has a completely different personality to the others in the series.
Would that be Velvet in Tales of Berseria?  She was the bustiest of all the ladies in the game.

All this talk about Alundra and no one mentioned the stream? :(
As fond of my memories of that game, watching the stream has reminded me that the game has its technical issues as well.  The game, by today's standards isn't anywhere as playable as it was for its time.  One thing watching that stream does, though is make me miss Working Designs during their heyday.  Say what you will about Victor Ireland; but when it came to the games they localized, every effort was a labor of love.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Der Jermeister on May 21, 2018, 02:11:18 PM
Matrix Software has created games other than those listed, and their quality to me tends to be hit-or-miss, so I can't say I'm excited for their latest title. By the way, I don't think Working Designs' translations are all that great, to be honest. In the original Lunar games and their remakes, for instance, they say "Mel founded Meribia" instead of just "Mel governs Meribia" like he does in the original Japanese version of the titles, which contradicts the spinoff manga that says Meribia is over a century or so old. There's also dialogue like "The world will once again be mine on a delicious half-shell." Sorry, but if movies had dialogue like that, they'd get torn apart by critics. The Lunar 2 remake also had really shitty, unnatural battle dialogue. I also didn't care much for the fact that they left the Japanese voicework in the Arc the Lad games intact, which sounded more like gibberish than actual Japanese.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Aeolus on May 21, 2018, 03:17:44 PM
Matrix Software has created games other than those listed, and their quality to me tends to be hit-or-miss, so I can't say I'm excited for their latest title. By the way, I don't think Working Designs' translations are all that great, to be honest. In the original Lunar games and their remakes, for instance, they say "Mel founded Meribia" instead of just "Mel governs Meribia" like he does in the original Japanese version of the titles, which contradicts the spinoff manga that says Meribia is over a century or so old. There's also dialogue like "The world will once again be mine on a delicious half-shell." Sorry, but if movies had dialogue like that, they'd get torn apart by critics. The Lunar 2 remake also had really shitty, unnatural battle dialogue. I also didn't care much for the fact that they left the Japanese voicework in the Arc the Lad games intact, which sounded more like gibberish than actual Japanese.

WD also had the tendency to hack their games to make them generally less playable because nothing screams 'difficulty' than archaic horseshit like limited saves, inflated HP totals/stats, the removal of items (or in Lunar 1's case, the addition of a key item that both takes up one of your extremely limited inventory slots and is tossable for an easy dead man walking scenario).
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Der Jermeister on May 21, 2018, 06:28:11 PM
Yeah, ability to die and get a game over after final bosses = one of the worst ideas ever.

There was also an Obvious Beta part of Arc the Lad II where character sprites in a town are invisible after beating the nearby dungeon.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Dincrest on May 21, 2018, 06:38:57 PM
...so I guess it's safe to say that none of us will be buying Matrix's Lascivious Labyrinth: Big Boobies game then. 

As for Working Designs, my big issue with their text localizations were the pop culture references.  They always killed any immersion I had being in a fantasy world and would feel totally dated were I to replay it later on in life.  And I agree that some of their gameplay tweaks were terrible.  Silhouette Mirage would have been a totally fun game had they kept the original Japanese play mechanics and balance as is and not thrown a monkey wrench into its works for the US version, making it an absolute kick in the nuts to play. 
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Der Jermeister on May 21, 2018, 08:04:24 PM
Yeah, topical references definitely tend to date videogames, the same going for TV shows.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Nel_Annette on May 23, 2018, 03:17:51 AM
Would that be Velvet in Tales of Berseria?  She was the bustiest of all the ladies in the game.

Velvet, Milla, Sheena, Tear, Grune, Judith etc. There's usually always someone.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Aeolus on May 23, 2018, 04:15:53 AM
Would that be Velvet in Tales of Berseria?  She was the bustiest of all the ladies in the game.

Velvet, Milla, Sheena, Tear, Grune, Judith etc. There's usually always someone.

Mint, Mary, ...., Rutee, Sheena, Hilda, Grune (despite Chole being not-a-slouch in that department, probably the only game in the series with multiple Boobs), Tear, Judith, ...., Ange, Raine (because Sheena didn't come back), Judith, Innes, Pascal, Milla, Milla again, Lailah and Velvet.

I think that's all of them. Eternia and the first DS game are pretty bereft of cleavage, but the rest seem to stack up (though Symphonia 2 falls pretty flat as well).
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: mooserocka on May 30, 2018, 12:58:28 AM
I agree with what was said on the podcast. Sometimes its ok but most of the time its just too much. It is horribly out of place just for fanservice. I dont think it makes ANY game better at all.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: The Legendary Zoltan on June 03, 2018, 05:33:30 PM
I agree with what was said on the podcast. Sometimes its ok but most of the time its just too much. It is horribly out of place just for fanservice. I dont think it makes ANY game better at all.

I think it depends on how good the story is. Of course the best RPGs and have great stories AND great gameplay, but sometimes you find a game that has a really bad story with great combat that actually pushes you through to the end of the game. In that kind of game, I think the boobs are just a bonus so they do make the game better.

Or maybe I should say they WOULD make the game better. I've actually never played a game with an excessive amount of fan service like this one. I'm still gonna check out Omega Labyrinth Z because I haven't played any of Matrix Software's games after Alundra, so I haven't been let down by them yet. We'll see how this one is.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: mooserocka on June 03, 2018, 11:45:39 PM
I just think in anime also. I am not saying EVERY game or anime with fan service makes it crap. Once in a while you get some i just think it devalues it so much just to try and get an audience. I just think it so is not needed. If its for dlc, or just for fun like a hotspring scene bath scene thats ok. Just i dunno i just want a great story : D
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: bigdeath on June 09, 2018, 12:36:02 AM
Man, I wish I knew Japanese.

Err, I mean....bad Japan for releasing another degenerate game. *whistles.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Aeolus on June 09, 2018, 05:57:17 AM
You know, I don't mind seeing boobs or other trashy sex'd up stuff as long as the game itself is actually good (see also: Soul Calibur series). What I don't care for are games where the T&A is the only thing it offers (and/or is even disingenuous about that).
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Aeolus on June 25, 2018, 09:47:29 AM
And with all that being said, https://gematsu.com/2018/06/omega-labyrinth-z-western-release-cancelled

A sad day for The Legendary Zoltan. Lol.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Mickeymac92 on June 25, 2018, 12:55:00 PM
I'm not going to say it's a win, but it's certainly not a loss. I didn't see anything from a gameplay perspective that made it stand out, and there are already better ecchi games on the PS4 and certainly the PC. I'm sure people who were looking forward to it are going to be disappointed, and probably worried as to what kind of precedent this could set...but it could still work out in end. I mean, looking at Omega Labyrinth Z, it really doesn't look like it would've been cost effective for them to release it outside of Japan, and I certainly hope the lessons they learned will help them in the future.

Maybe next time they won't choose a game that isn't risque enough to be porn, but deals with subjects that rating boards really don't approve of? That's long and complicated enough that trying to change content that complies with their demands would require a ton of work, and probably just anger their niche fanbase anyways?

You know, silver lining and all that jazz....
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Dincrest on June 25, 2018, 02:06:12 PM
Censorship alarmists may try to cry foul and use the "slippery slope" argument, but I don't think there is anything to worry about.  Gratuitous sex and violence in video games will always be there.  Games like HuniePop and Grand Theft Auto certainly aren't hurting for sales.  I think the biggest squick issue with Omega Z is/was the "loli" factor.  Sexualizing children is criminally and morally wrong in pretty much every country of the world. No matter how much you retool the script to say the girls are 18+, anyone can plainly see that several Omega Z characters are hyper-sexualized schoolgirls under the age of consent.  Criminal Girls tried to script it so that all the girls were 18 or older, but one look at the game and you know several of them were kids.  I STILL wonder how in blue blazes both of those games got through the rating boards, because they were 50 million shades of wrong, nope, and WTFisthisIdon'teven...
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on June 25, 2018, 03:14:20 PM
I have no problem with Sony rejecting a game that has lolis.  Seriously don't have a problem with it.  Would I be outraged if the game was approved?  Probably not.  On the other hand, there is a certain creepy factor over adult gamers lusting after under aged female characters.  The only people who should be lusting after underaged teenage girls are underaged teenage boys and other underaged teenage girls.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Aeolus on June 25, 2018, 04:46:46 PM
Well if you want to see what the Australia ratings board had to say on the matter:

Quote
The game features a variety of female characters with their cleavages emphasised by their overtly provocative clothing, which often reveal the sides or underside of theiur breasts and obscured genital region. Multiple female characters are also depicted fully nude, with genitals obscured by objects and streams of light throughout the game. Although of indeterminate age, most of these characters are adult-like, with voluptuous bosoms and large cleavages that are flaunted with a variety of skimpy outfits.

One character, Urara Rurikawa, is clearly depicted as child-like in comparison with the other female characters. She is flat-chested, physically underdeveloped (particularly visible in her hip region) and is significantly shorter than otehr characters in the game. She also has a child-like voice, wears a school uniform-esque outfit and appears naive in her outlook on life.

At one point in the game, Urara Rurikawa and a friend are referred to as "the younger girls" by one of the game's main characters. In the Boards opinion, the character of Urara Rurikawa is a depiction of a person who is, or appears to be, a child under 18 years.

In some gameplay modes, including the "awakening" mode, the player is able to touch the breasts, buttocks, mouths and genital regions of each character, including Urara Rurikawa, while they are in sexualised poses, receiving positive verbal feedback for interactions which are implied to be pleasurable for the characters and negative verbal feedback, including lines of dialogue such as "I-It doesn't feel good..." and "Hyah? Don't touch there!," for interactions which are implied to be unpleasurable, implying a potential lack of consent.

The aim of these sections is, implicity, to sexually arouse these characters to the point that a "shame break" is activated, in which some of the characters clothing is removed - with genital regions obscured by light and various objects - and the background changes colour as they implicitly orgasm.

In one "awakening" mode scenario, thee player interacts with Urara Rurikawa, who is depicted lying down, clutching a teddy bear, with lines of dialogue such as "I'm turning sleepy...", "I'm so sleepy now..." and "I might wake up..." implying that she is drifting in and out of sleep.

The player interacts with this child-like character in the same manner as they interact with adult characters, clicking her breasts, buttocks, mouth and genital regions until the "shame break" mode is activated. During this section of the game, with mis-clicks, dialogue can be triggered, in which Urara Rurikawa says, "Stop tickling...", "Stop poking..." and "Th-that feels strange...", implying a lack of consent.

...

In the Board's opinion, the ability to interact with the character Urara Rurikawa in the manner described above constituted a simulation of sexual stimulation of a child.

Basically, its all because of her:

(https://i.imgur.com/j1Iuw5M.jpg)

They of course, neglect to mention the disability this character suffers from with her two left feet. :V
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Dincrest on June 25, 2018, 06:19:09 PM
https://youtu.be/Imyqnop6grY?t=70
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Aeolus on July 03, 2018, 07:03:18 PM
https://gematsu.com/2018/07/roguelike-rpg-yuuna-and-the-haunted-hot-springs-steam-dungeon-announced-for-ps4

Those of you who were disappointed at the previous boobie dungeon crawler not making it over, please do not despair, for Furyu has you uncovered with a game in the hot springs dungeon crawling sub-genre. :V
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Dincrest on July 03, 2018, 08:38:39 PM
Hot springs dungeon crawler subgenre is 100% a thing

http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/MeiQ_Labyrinth_of_Death/index.html

(And, yes, in that review I actually criticize Idea Factory for not "Idea Factory-ing" enough.)
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: The Legendary Zoltan on July 13, 2018, 09:08:11 AM
Yeah, Aeolus, it is indeed a sad day for The Legendary Zoltan. I can read Japanese just fine, so I could play it if I want, but I was hoping to play it in my native language anyway. I'll probably download the Japanese version at some point, but all this censorship of art from foreign countries is a massive bummer. I once heard a dude on YouTube say that Western gaming is dead because thanks to all the censorship and cries for forced diversity and all that, nobody is actually just making the game they want to make. And now I'm starting to agree. Thanks for trying to cheer me up with the hot springs RPG, though. ^_^
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: The Legendary Zoltan on July 13, 2018, 09:26:38 AM
I'm not going to say it's a win, but it's certainly not a loss. I didn't see anything from a gameplay perspective that made it stand out, and there are already better ecchi games on the PS4 and certainly the PC. I'm sure people who were looking forward to it are going to be disappointed, and probably worried as to what kind of precedent this could set...but it could still work out in end. I mean, looking at Omega Labyrinth Z, it really doesn't look like it would've been cost effective for them to release it outside of Japan, and I certainly hope the lessons they learned will help them in the future.

Maybe next time they won't choose a game that isn't risque enough to be porn, but deals with subjects that rating boards really don't approve of? That's long and complicated enough that trying to change content that complies with their demands would require a ton of work, and probably just anger their niche fanbase anyways?

You know, silver lining and all that jazz....
No man, it IS a loss. It doesn't matter if it is good or not in your personal opinion. I would assume it was expected to be cost effective by the localization company, otherwise they wouldn't have localized it. Now they've done all that work and then had to cancel the game 3 months before release. So there's another loss. I don't think creative people who have an idea for something they want to make should have to say to themselves, "This deals with subjects that rating boards don't approve of, so I guess I just can't make it." I'm really not seeing the silver lining here. Is it that next time they'll self censor themselves enough so that they can get their game, which is no longer a true reflection of the vision they had, to be released in the western market?

Anyway, having criticized your point of view, I would very much like to hear what the better ecchi PS4 games are.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Mickeymac92 on July 13, 2018, 12:03:35 PM
I don't think creative people who have an idea for something they want to make should have to say to themselves, "This deals with subjects that rating boards don't approve of, so I guess I just can't make it."

You're giving them too much credit here, and yes, they should. The ratings board is there for a reason: to keep the government from meddling. While it's not always fair, there's no question that people love to overreact, and if they let this stuff fly unchanged, they could've caused more headaches for everyone involved. This isn't the first time a game had to denied due to content, and while ratings boards can be a little too crusade-y, especially in different parts of the world, and their reasoning isn't always justified...in this case, I don't think anyone could've justified the sexualization of a child character in a commercial game like this. PQube wanted to keep it as close to the source material as possible, and if they really thought they could get away with leaving things unchanged regarding that character without causing a commotion, then they've officially learned their lesson and will hopefully choose their next game to localize more carefully. There's a case to be made for artistic vision, but at the end of the day, they're a company. Too many people's livelyhoods are involved to risk them over an exploitative bargain-bin RPG.

With that said, I looked around a little more for other ecchi games on the PS4, and I think a lot of what I was thinking of was for the PS3 and especially on the PC...Steam really doesn't give a fuck anymore, so if you want your titillation with the possibility of going all the way via uncensored patches distributed via the publishers' websites, you're honestly better off looking there. You get your cheesecake and eat it in all of its original glory, too.

On the PS4: I'm pretty sure the Neptunia games still count as an ecchi series? It's hard to tell, since they're actually decent RPGs now. Nothing mindblowing, and I still don't find a lot of its humor funny, but it's already a decent option that stands above most others I could find. Then there's Dead or Alive 5: Last Round - not purely ecchi by any means, but it knows how to do fanservice right on all fronts, while also being a genuinely fun and fairly well-balanced fighting game that's easy enough for casual players to get into. It's not Tekken or Virtua Fighter, but it still a stand-out fighting game series.

Getting into more blatant territory, I very much enjoyed watching streams of Akiba's Trip and Onechanbara, the latter I've almost rented several times in the past since it seemed like a cheese-y fun B-Movie-esque game, but I just have a hard-set rule regarding Zombie games - they don't go anywhere near my collection. I've already tossed what few exceptions were left in my library by now, actually. Otherwise, that seems very much the case, and it reminds me why ecchi RPGs doesn't stand out as much to me - a turn-your-brain-off silly, risque romp is best served in small doses, and shouldn't overstay their welcome...an RPG almost certainly will. That's also why I'm not gonna mention Senran Kangoku, since I was honestly bored to death by those repentive brawlers. That might by a problem more with the genre than anything, but I still have seen much better and more fun interpretations that what they've presented so far in the first two games...and it's only gotten weirder/sillier instead of mechanically more engaging from what I've seen...

Similarly, Gal Gun just seems like it'd be too repetitive to hold my interests, though more for the opposite reason than the others - there just doesn't look like there's enough content to justify a purchase, IMO. I has a fun concept, is very fun to watch, but unless it gets an arcade cabinet that I'd see at a rest stop near here, I doubt I'd ever play it, since it looks like it'd only hold my attention for a round or two before I've had my fill and moved on...that's, what, $2 at a modern arcade? $4? They got really expensive last I checked...
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Dincrest on July 13, 2018, 01:43:32 PM
When it comes to Hentai gaming, if Jast USA or MangaGamer doesn't have it, you don't want it.  Localized hentai games are more numerous than fleas on a shaggy sheepdog, so I'd venture that a healthy portion of what's available is degenerate crap.  Those sites can be like going down the proverbial rabbit hole, so caveat emptor.  If you end up seeing things you can't unsee, don't say I didn't warn you. 

My favorite H-game is Crescendo because it has gorgeous writing.  That game is one of my favorite VNs, period, and even the endings where characters don't end up naked are very nicely done and don't necessarily feel like "bad endings" at all.  Or for something different, I recently played a demo of this gritty film-noir style match-3 puzzler called Metropolis: Lux Obscura that had no shortage of R-rated content, yet was slick, stylish, and fun to play. 

And, as I said earlier, I'm still not buying the "censorship alarmist" argument. 

Censorship alarmists may try to cry foul and use the "slippery slope" argument, but I don't think there is anything to worry about.  Gratuitous sex and violence in video games will always be there.  Games like HuniePop and Grand Theft Auto certainly aren't hurting for sales.  I think the biggest squick issue with Omega Z is/was the "loli" factor.  Sexualizing children is criminally and morally wrong in pretty much every country of the world. No matter how much you retool the script to say the girls are 18+, anyone can plainly see that several Omega Z characters are hyper-sexualized schoolgirls under the age of consent.  Criminal Girls tried to script it so that all the girls were 18 or older, but one look at the game and you know several of them were kids.  I STILL wonder how in blue blazes both of those games got through the rating boards, because they were 50 million shades of wrong, nope, and WTFisthisIdon'teven...

Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on July 13, 2018, 08:42:26 PM
Yeah, Aeolus, it is indeed a sad day for The Legendary Zoltan. I can read Japanese just fine, so I could play it if I want, but I was hoping to play it in my native language anyway. I'll probably download the Japanese version at some point, but all this censorship of art from foreign countries is a massive bummer. I once heard a dude on YouTube say that Western gaming is dead because thanks to all the censorship and cries for forced diversity and all that, nobody is actually just making the game they want to make. And now I'm starting to agree. Thanks for trying to cheer me up with the hot springs RPG, though. ^_^
The game has an underage character getting molested.  Honestly, were it up to me, I would look up every single person involved in the localization  of this game and hand over their names to the authorities.  I would rather pedophile garbage remain in Japan.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Grainofariver on July 13, 2018, 10:20:27 PM
Why am I reminded of the guy who went to jail for teaching his dog the Hitler salute in terms of serious topics being brought up over the most silly things?

I hate censorship, but at the end of the day it feels like a pointless argument because the morality of the issue is irrelevant: it's just business. I'd argue that video game censorship never has anything to do with morals. In this case I'm convinced Sony doesn't care about the morality regarding the game's content, they just don't want the bad PR that might come with it.

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I feel I should expand a bit. I've argued frequently about why I hate censorship, but after so many years it feels like such a futile debate. Even if I managed to convince someone on the internet (HAH), it won't change the minds of the people making the decisions. It feels like we're just a bunch of people bickering in an arena while the publishing overlords watch. Our arguments mean nothing to them as long as the game sells. And hey, if they feel that leaving the next game unchanged won't affect sales, why not boast about how it's uncensored so that you look like the good guy?

I'm not going to pretend like it's just video games. As I get older I look around and see the same controversies played out over and over. It's so exhausting, and ultimately feels completely meaningless. I just try my best to support the people/businesses/products that I think are doing a good job, and try (try, try, try, and many times fail) to ignore the rest.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on July 14, 2018, 01:53:33 AM
You're entitled to that opinion, but this game has the player crossing the moral event horizon by molesting a clearly underage player.  As far as I'm concerned, Sony is totally justified in not approving the game over on this side of the pond.  If anything, I am annoyed this game was even made.  I have no problem with gaming addressing controversial content, but having the player engage in clearly unethical behavior is beyond the pale.

There's a part of me that's disgusted with the localization company to the point that I will never purchase any of the games they localize in protest over choosing to localize this trash.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Grainofariver on July 14, 2018, 02:40:25 AM
You're entitle to that opinion, but this game has the player crossing the moral event horizon by molesting a clearly underage player.  As far as I'm concerned, Sony is totally justified in not approving the game over on this side of the pond.  If anything, I am annoyed this game was even made.  I have no problem with gaming addressing controversial content, but having the player engage in clearly unethical behavior is beyond the pale.

There's a part of me that's disgusted with the localization company to the point that I will never purchase any of the games they localize in protest over choosing to localize this trash.
If you truly feel so strongly about it, then refusing to support the localisation company is absolutely the right thing to do. I simply think people are autonomous and should have the freedom to purchase what entertainment they want and ignore what they don't, without the moral guidance of a business whose only interest is their bottom line. Personally, I was never going to purchase this anyway. Ecchi/H games don't interest me, so it's not like I have a personal stake in the matter beyond the ideological issue of censorship.

As for that ideological issue, mind if I ask what, to you, the difference is between this and, say, Grand Theft Auto for making the player do immoral things? I don't mean to put you on the defensive, I'm just genuinely curious why one is considered 'crossing the moral horizon', but the other is not.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on July 14, 2018, 04:20:23 AM
I don't play Grand Theft Auto for the same reason I want nothing to do with this game.  I find the premise offensive and want nothing to do with the game.  Essentially, when it comes to gaming, I want to play the hero, not the villain.  Also, for me, as someone who has family who've been the victim of child molesters, I find the idea of a game that allows you to be one absolutely disgusting.  I simply can't accept the premise of this game for that reason.  The developers, if they wanted to release the game in the West should've eliminated the underage character from the game.

This is especially so when I think all rapists and child molesters should be executed*.  As far as I am concerned such crimes are on par with premeditated murder and should be punished as such.

As a very quick aside into politics, I support the death penalty on philosophical, but not practical grounds.  As far as I am concerned, if you commit premeditated rape, murder or sexually molest a child, you deserve death.  On the other hand, our justice system isn't perfect and under no circumstances should an innocent person be executed for a crime they didn't commit.  Unfortunately our justice system sometimes convicts the wrong people and so long as there is a non-zero chance of an innocent being executed, the most severe punishment our system can mete out should be life in prison without the possibility of parole or pardon.

Back to gaming.  As far as I'm concerned, h/ecchi games are kind of pointless.  Seriously, I don't see the point when there's pornography and erotica.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Grainofariver on July 14, 2018, 06:40:30 AM
I obviously don't feel as strongly about the topic, but thanks for sharing. I appreciate the consistency at least, as I've never grasped why mass-murder is acceptable in media, but sexuality is the barrier that should never be crossed. I tend to be an 'anything goes' guy, but I at least appreciate the opposite, 'I want none of it' camp.

The death penalty is an interesting topic. On a personal level, I wouldn't WANT to spend my entire life in prison: I'd rather just be killed and have done. As you said though, it is unavoidable to kill at least some innocent people in the process: justice is never perfect, after all. At the end of the day, it's a very complex issue, and I'm glad to not be the one making the final decision.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Dincrest on July 14, 2018, 07:26:49 AM
And I *still* think censorship alarmism is a bit of a straw man argument.  As I said earlier, gratuitous sex and violence in video games will always be there.  So we get gaming news every so often that a few naughty games were toned down or denied localization.  Big deal.  There is plenty of unadulterated stuff out there to scratch whatever bizarre fetish itch you may have.  Have you seen the sheer number of titles available on MangaGamer?  Let's just say that the "porno game" industry is NOT hurting at all. 

And, of course, there are those games released through more mainstream channels where we're left asking, "How on Earth did THAT make it past the Decency Police?"  I mentioned the Criminal Girls games earlier, where some of their attempts to tone down the squicky content actually backfired in my mind.  http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/Criminal_Girls_2_Party_Favors/index.html 

Then there's the argument that even the outcry of "OMG censorship!"= publicity and there is no such thing as bad publicity.  Cannibal Corpse is one of the finest death metal bands out there (I'm an enormous fan of their bassist), but their music has been banned in several countries because of their brutally violent lyrics and album art.  All that controversy did was make the band bigger. 
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Grainofariver on July 14, 2018, 05:10:20 PM
And I *still* think censorship alarmism is a bit of a straw man argument.  As I said earlier, gratuitous sex and violence in video games will always be there.  So we get gaming news every so often that a few naughty games were toned down or denied localization.  Big deal.  There is plenty of unadulterated stuff out there to scratch whatever bizarre fetish itch you may have.
Sorry, but I can't agree with this argument. To me it smacks of over-generalisation and can be too easily abused.

Why bother localising Zero/Ao no Kiseki? We already have plenty of JRPGS.
Why bother making that Anthem game? We already have plenty of shooters.
Remember PT? Don't worry about it friend: you know how many horror games there are?
(Heck, why even bother making any video games when there's so dang many that most people have a backlog of things that they will never get to?)

I think almost everything has something to offer. Even if it might not appeal to me, people who can get something out of it have that right as long as its not hurting anybody. I mean, I didn't care for Cannibal Corpse when I listened to metal, but wouldn't it frustrate you if their music WAS banned and my response was, "Eh, who cares: metal will always be there. Big deal. There's plenty of stuff to scratch that itch."? To put it another way, I live in Arizona, so we have a lot of Mexican restaurants. But each one is a little different: some have killer chimis, some have awesome tacos, others have some great enchiladas... Sure if one closes you can say, 'don't worry about it, there's plenty of Mexican restaurants' and not be wrong. That won't stop me from lamenting the loss of the unnamed hole-in-the-wall that had the best Carne Asada I've ever had.

The other problem I have with that argument is (and one I frequently see all the time in these debates): if it's not a big deal, why change it to begin with?
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Dincrest on July 15, 2018, 05:18:15 PM
But for every door that closes, a new one opens.  So the girl I was crushing on turned me down when I asked her out because she's into someone else.  Yeah, I'll be heartbroken for a little bit, but I'll buck up and find new love.  There's a good chance the new love I find will be way better than the one I was crushing on. 

If some game I really really want doesn't get localized (and it has happened, particularly during the 1990s and 2000s), I cryass about it for a day or two, then shrug it off, move on, and seek out other games to tickle my fancy.  I pick and choose my battles.  I could bitch about the game I didn't get or enjoy the games I CAN get, especially if the stuff available to me is likely better.  The fool concerns himself with the 99 who say no.  The wise man had a great time with the one who says yes.  I'm blessed that I can do that with reckless abandon nowadays because we're living in an era of feast rather than famine; wholly unlike the 16-bit era when we were lucky to get a scant handful of JRPGs a year from, like, 1 or 2 developers.  Competition among games in most any genre is pretty ferocious so they all have to do something to garner someone's attention.  The gaming scene being so resplendent that there are MANY offerings from all kinds of developers big and small to cater to my desires.  So I don't need to put all my hopes on one pony.

And I'm also of the mentality that if I want my fix and my usual place to get that fix is unavailable, I sure as hell will find a way to get a fix because there are always several ways to get a fix that be better than what was.  I still think that one fanservicey JRPG not getting localized isn't going to hurt fanservicey JRPGs as a whole.  There are/were/and will be plenty out there because there is a market for it.  Omega Z may have been halted by the Decency Police, but the Criminal Girls games snuck by them (and the Criminal Girls are arguably even MORE offensive.)  With so many games out there plying that particular cringe-fanservice trade (and doing cringe-fanservice much better than Omega Z), the decency police can't keep up.     

No one likes being told "you can't have it."  Mom says, "you can't have X."  So instead of me trying to get X (because that's what Mom's so hyperfocused on me not getting and she's resolute about me not having it), I'll look for something like X that Mom doesn't know about.  That way, I win and get my "not X but just as good if not better," and Mom thinks she won because I succumbed to her demand and did not get X.  I guess I'm just a subversive snake.  Hey, The Great Wall of China did not keep out the Mongolians. 

At this point, though, I feel like I'm saturating any semblance of a decent point with gobbledygook and am willing to just "agree to disagree" and call it a night. 
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: bigdeath on July 15, 2018, 06:15:35 PM
What? lol

I just prefer the game I want to be translated because its a product and I'm a customer. But often niche Japanese games are not marketed for overseas markets. Which sucks.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Dincrest on July 15, 2018, 06:23:15 PM
But part of my point is that though Omega Z wasn't localized, plenty of its competitors were and/or will be.  And those competitors likely do the do way better.  Also, niche Japanese games are getting localized more and more these days.  It's not like the 8, 16 or 32-bit era when games were declined or "whitewashed" if they were too Japanese. 

I remember when I was lucky to get a scant handful of Japanese VNs a year, and they were usually poorly translated by indie publishers.  Nowadays, more mainstream companies are localizing more Japanese VNs and doing so really well.  Aksys and Spike Chunsoft have totally upped their game there.  Heck, Idea Factory's made a cottage industry through their Otomate-labeled otome games where you play as a girl experiencing storylines with dudes.  Otome is pretty niche as far as VNs go, and that niche is now being catered to outside of Japan.  That's a win in my book. 

Also, there are plenty of non-Japanese developers creating "Japanese niche" style games.  It's that mentality of, "If I can't buy this thing I want, I'll make it!" 
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Grainofariver on July 15, 2018, 06:40:20 PM
But for every door that closes, a new one opens.  So the girl I was crushing on turned me down when I asked her out because she's into someone else.  Yeah, I'll be heartbroken for a little bit, but I'll buck up and find new love.  There's a good chance the new love I find will be way better than the one I was crushing on. 

If some game I really really want doesn't get localized (and it has happened, particularly during the 1990s and 2000s), I cryass about it for a day or two, then shrug it off, move on, and seek out other games to tickle my fancy.  I pick and choose my battles.  I could bitch about the game I didn't get or enjoy the games I CAN get, especially if the stuff available to me is likely better.  The fool concerns himself with the 99 who say no.  The wise man had a great time with the one who says yes.  I'm blessed that I can do that with reckless abandon nowadays because we're living in an era of feast rather than famine; wholly unlike the 16-bit era when we were lucky to get a scant handful of JRPGs a year from, like, 1 or 2 developers.  Competition among games in most any genre is pretty ferocious so they all have to do something to garner someone's attention.  The gaming scene being so resplendent that there are MANY offerings from all kinds of developers big and small to cater to my desires.  So I don't need to put all my hopes on one pony.

And I'm also of the mentality that if I want my fix and my usual place to get that fix is unavailable, I sure as hell will find a way to get a fix because there are always several ways to get a fix that be better than what was.  I still think that one fanservicey JRPG not getting localized isn't going to hurt fanservicey JRPGs as a whole.  There are/were/and will be plenty out there because there is a market for it.  Omega Z may have been halted by the Decency Police, but the Criminal Girls games snuck by them (and the Criminal Girls are arguably even MORE offensive.)  With so many games out there plying that particular cringe-fanservice trade (and doing cringe-fanservice much better than Omega Z), the decency police can't keep up.     

No one likes being told "you can't have it."  Mom says, "you can't have X."  So instead of me trying to get X (because that's what Mom's so hyperfocused on me not getting and she's resolute about me not having it), I'll look for something like X that Mom doesn't know about.  That way, I win and get my "not X but just as good if not better," and Mom thinks she won because I succumbed to her demand and did not get X.  I guess I'm just a subversive snake.  Hey, The Great Wall of China did not keep out the Mongolians. 

At this point, though, I feel like I'm saturating any semblance of a decent point with gobbledygook and am willing to just "agree to disagree" and call it a night.
I'd have no problem with 'agreeing to disagree' -- I never figured I'd change any minds anyway -- but you said "The fool concerns himself with the 99 who say no.  The wise man had a great time with the one who says yes.". The way you use it places your stance in the position of the wise-man and my stance in the position of the fool. Don't you think it's a bit unfair to make a claim like that, then attempt to close the discussion before any rebuttal can be offered?

If it weren't for people, as you say, 'bitching' about not getting certain games, how would publishers know what to release? It's not like you can vote with your wallet when the game isn't even available for purchase. Shining Resonance got a western release because people badgered SEGA for years. The Tales series was nearly dead in the west, but fans kept 'bitching' and eventually managed to revitalise the entire franchise. We only HAVE so many JRPGs today because people cared enough to prove there's a market. I can think of several more examples where fan demand lead to localisation (Xenoblade Chronicles, anyone?). If you want to just take what's given and ignore the rest, that's your prerogative, but personally I want to explore the entire field.

Also you frequently use phrases like 'decency police' and 'better', but art is a subjective field. Are you deriding the quality of the game, the content of the game, or simply that the game is irrelevant in a saturated market? These are all very different arguments.

If you chose not to respond, that's fine: we can agree to disagree. However I think, given your phrasing, I'm at least entitled to this brief counter.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Dincrest on July 15, 2018, 07:26:43 PM
But all the fan badgering doesn't do much good if we don't speak with our wallets at the end of the day.  Yeah, we could raise a big stink online about wanting certain kinds of games, but unless we buy them and show the companies there is money to be made then we won't see any more.  The gaming business is just that- a business. 

And I never said I'm happy in a box with only 3 channels to choose from.  I'm just saying that if the 3 channel box isn't giving me what I want, I'll look for my satisfaction somewhere else.  When I was a kid and they were showing reruns of cartoons we already saw, my friends and I would gather up our action figures and other toys and just let our imaginations run wild creating our own adventures, like some random object teleports Optimus Prime to Jabba the Hutt's palace in Tatooine and he fights the Star Wars Rancor.  (Hey, we were around 7 at the time!)

I'm also saying that the gaming biz is at a point where we're no longer in that 3 channel box.  The box has been blown to smithereens and we're now living free in a plentiful land of feast instead of a box of famine.  If one game doesn't make it, there are still dozens like it that will.  I don't have to put all my eggs in one basket.  This even goes for genres that are niche, because the industry knows that the niche markets are loyal buyers.  Plus, thanks to the evolution of the Internet, those niche markets are easier to get to and many smaller devs can bypass the middlemen and just sell direct to consumers.  That's wonderful, because then I can give more of my money to the creators.  I love that there are so many smaller developers out there creating neat stuff.  I've played and reviewed a ton of stuff that flies under the radar. 

With music, I think what mainstream radio and big record labels put out is drivel.  So, I would go to all kinds of local shows and trawl sites like Bandcamp to see what's out there.  I've discovered (and even befriended) some really killer bands by exploring the paths less traveled.  I also played in local bands and we created music we believed in; seeing our musical voice (including songs I had written) resonate with people was profound.  Competition was fierce, though.  We often competed with bands like ours to get gigs.  Sometimes we'd get them, sometimes we wouldn't, but we still kept making our music because we liked doing it.  And the gigs we did get, we played like our asses were on fire.  It's easy for someone to say all punk bands sound the same, but every punk fan has those that they resonate with more than others. 

I feel like there's a LOT being lost in translation in this conversation and everything's getting cloudy with tons of points and arguments that tangent off from the main point.  I kinda forgot what the main point was.  Are we talking about censorship?  Hentai games?  Creating games?  Niche game marketing?  The state of the industry? My overuse and/or inappropriate use of analogies and idioms to the point where they sometimes become malapropisms? 

I feel like I'm being made to sound like I'm anti-creativity or anti-competition or something.  I've said repeatedly that competition is healthy, because it makes developers strive to create quality products to gain market share.  I've also been saying that I value the mentality of "If I can't get what I want, I'll create it."  If the creator wants it, chances are someone else does too.  As a musician, I gladly encourage people to pick up a bass, form a band and write songs/create music.  I say do it, but do it with heart, passion, and sincerity.  I can't ignore the creator-driven trends that have shaped gaming.  Back in the day, companies were content to do bare-bones translations, but Working Designs carved out a niche for themselves by painstakingly crafting high quality localizations (including good voice acting) and players responded to WD's gambit by speaking with their wallets like crazy.  Lunar: SSSC for Playstation (an otherwise standard fare JRPG) made a huge enough splash with its Western release that other companies realized they had to step up their localization game to be relevant in the evolving JRPG consumer market (a very loyal consumer market of consistent buyers.)   And now even the worst localizations today are gold compared to what they were generations ago.  And even little indie games seek out legit voiceover talent rather than just having their drinking buddies read lines.  (I'm an aspiring voiceover artist myself, and the amount of unknown talent out there is staggering.)         


Buuuuuut...
I think my main point, relevant to the thread, is that I don't think Omega Z being denied by the censors (or whatever) is going to hurt the gaming industry or that style of gaming it represents.  Anime porn dungeon crawling JRPGs are a very marketable thing, sites like MangaGamer and JastUSA have several English-language offerings (unadulterated to boot), and they will continue to hawk more of those kinds of games in the future, because there is a lucrative market out there.  I foresee more doujin (fan-made) games being hawked in the future.   
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Grainofariver on July 15, 2018, 09:42:47 PM
I feel like I'm being made to sound like I'm anti-creativity or anti-competition or something.  I've said repeatedly that competition is healthy...
You said a lot of things, so please don't think I just TLDR'd straight to this: I read your whole post. I just want to hone in on this because I think it might be the source for a lot of confusion.

Maybe you have said that competition is healthy many times elsewhere, but being that I only occasionally pop-up on these boards, I haven't seen those discussions. All I really had to go off of is what you said in the earlier posts, none which brought up creativity, competition, or "If I can't get what I want, I'll create it" until the second-most recent post (which was made while I was typing). I just went off of what you said at the time, and if that wasn't reflective of or was only a part of how you actually felt... sorry, I just don't know you well enough to fill in the blanks.

I said earlier that I don't care about Omega Z on a personal level: only the broader issues of censorship. I believe you should vote with your wallet (which is why I think MonCapitan is right to stop supporting the publisher, even if I don't personally agree with the reasoning), but how can you do so when there's nothing to purchase? Personally I do just that: if a publisher does a good, I make an effort to buy their game (I bought Shining Resonance in-part to support the future release of Shining games in the west). If the game is censored, I buy it used or borrow it from a friend to deny the publisher a sale. That said, with the massive rise in digital distribution, I wonder how much longer that will be a viable solution. When there is no used copy and borrowing from a friend involves taking the whole console, it becomes pretty dang hard to legally play the game while still refusing the purchase.

But that's a conversation for another day, yeah?
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Dincrest on July 16, 2018, 07:26:43 AM
Back in bygone gaming eras, losing out on a particular game felt like a slap in the face, because how could I take my business elsewhere when elsewhere didn't exist?  The game industry, particularly the console industry, was more tightly controlled and smaller indie/art-house developers didn't have as many outlets (pretty much PC only.)  The idea of "how do you speak with your wallet if there's nothing to purchase" was absolutely true during earlier gaming generations, but nowadays it's a wide open market.  Or perhaps it's more difficult to speak with your wallet because there's too much out there available for purchase with more options emerging every day? 

I think this:
Why bother localising Zero/Ao no Kiseki? We already have plenty of JRPGS.
Why bother making that Anthem game? We already have plenty of shooters.
Remember PT? Don't worry about it friend: you know how many horror games there are?
(Heck, why even bother making any video games when there's so dang many that most people have a backlog of things that they will never get to?)
is a straw man argument.  Was there anything said about apathy towards localizing anything?  Nope.  No nihilism here.  Merely that just because one game didn't get localized doesn't mean ALL games in its cohort won't.  Several are already available and more are in the works, from companies of all shapes and sizes.  Just because one game got a hack job doesn't mean ALL games in its cohort will too.  There are plenty available now that are still in-tact and plenty more in-tact ones in the works from companies of all shapes and sizes. 

I still don't think Omega Z's denial by the censors amounts to much in the greater scheme of things, nowadays because the marketplace is so vast and wide open.  Tis nary a drop in the bucket.  Why cry over the cup of spilled skunky keg beer that is Omega Z when there is whiskey, vodka and other hard liquor flowing over yonder (in the form of dozens of unadulterated X-rated dungeon crawl JRPGs).  Or if spirits are too strong for you, there are/were/will be several beer, wine, etc. options in the cavalcade of titillating R-rated JRPGs (past, present, and future.)  Companies of all shapes and sizes proffer offerings aplenty to fill that empty cup.  Even if the more prominent companies don't have what you're hankering for, plenty of indie/art-house/doujin creators are/were/will be totally cooking up something to your liking.   

But, again, that's my mentality.  If A doesn't give me what I want the way I want it, then B, C, D, E, F, G, and H will be right there to proffer their competing wares that promise to give me what I want and/or more.  A doesn't get my business, F does (because F's offering is really good; the demo totally resonated with me so I bought it), I get my fix and live happily ever after.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Grainofariver on July 17, 2018, 05:40:39 AM
I think this:
Why bother localising Zero/Ao no Kiseki? We already have plenty of JRPGS.
Why bother making that Anthem game? We already have plenty of shooters.
Remember PT? Don't worry about it friend: you know how many horror games there are?
(Heck, why even bother making any video games when there's so dang many that most people have a backlog of things that they will never get to?)
is a straw man argument.  Was there anything said about apathy towards localizing anything?  Nope.  No nihilism here. 
As I said earlier, gratuitous sex and violence in video games will always be there.  So we get gaming news every so often that a few naughty games were toned down or denied localization.  Big deal.  There is plenty of unadulterated stuff out there to scratch whatever bizarre fetish itch you may have. 
Seems pretty apathetic to me friend.

In fact, looking at it now, I shouldn't have said, 'why bother localising/releasing', but 'who cares that X didn't get localised/released'.
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Dincrest on July 17, 2018, 06:37:50 AM
Were it an earlier gaming era, then I would shout righteous indignation at Obscure-Japanese-Game-V getting denied or butchered because it's setting a bad precedent and could bode poorly for the future of games like Game-V.  But we're beyond that now.  The market is wide open and still growing.  I feel that we don't have to worry about such things as much because for every Omega Z that gets shafted, dozens more just like it (or even more "extreme" for lack of a better word) still get in/get made, have gotten in/gotten made, and will get in/get made.  So the consumer is never without options because creators are freer to give us more options.   

What you perceive as "who cares apathy" I see more like this analogy: I'm crushing on a girl.  I go to the school dance.  I ask her to dance.  She turns me down.  I'm not feeling so great.  What do I do?  Do I sorrowfully obsess over her turning me down? Or do I go wash my face, dust myself off and ask another girl to dance?   I choose the latter.  Yeah, it hurts that I was turned down, but I'm not worried because there are plenty of pretty girls out there for me. 

"Who cares apathy" would be me not even going to the school dance and sitting on the couch watching reruns because I convinced myself that school dances were pointless and girls were waste of time. 

I think now it's just going into circular arguments.  I'm laughing at myself because I went off the rails in a thread about a silly JRPG themed around big boobs. 

Is it safe to say "we slugged it out, now let's hug it out"?
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Grainofariver on July 17, 2018, 07:02:12 AM
"Who cares apathy" would be me not even going to the school dance and sitting on the couch watching reruns because I convinced myself that school dances were pointless and girls were waste of time. 
But I absolutely convinced myself that school dances were pointless and girls (more like, relationships) were a waste of time. I spent my school dance hanging out with friends, playing video-games and having a blast. I've also never gone on a date in my life despite being 26. Myself and every one of my friends has divorced parents, and those members of my family who are still married are either miserable or have a relationship where one half utterly dominates the other. Not a single one of my friends has been able to hold a steady relationship, though attempts result in such madness that one attempted suicide (and was shortly after diagnosed as bipolar, so at least something good came out of it). They say you can't be happy with someone else until you're happy with yourself, but after years of depression I'm actually pretty gosh-darn happy with who and where I am, so why risk it?

Why you gotta keep bringing up these landmines, man?

(I'm kidding.)
(About being offended: everything else is true. I think relationships are fine, but I've seen it go horribly wrong too many times to even remotely touch it myself.)
(<3)
Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: Dincrest on July 17, 2018, 11:15:48 AM
I think I can explain everything in song:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sydKXNq6mWk

If that doesn't explain it all, I don't know what will.  (I'd say, "and don't say Clarissa" but I'm not sure if that reference is before your time.) 

Title: Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
Post by: The Legendary Zoltan on July 25, 2018, 03:08:32 AM
Your welcome for starting a conversation. ;)