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Title: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Lard on August 21, 2018, 11:49:25 PM
I checked the front page first :P

https://gematsu.com/2018/08/langrisser-i-ii-full-remakes-announced-for-ps4-switch

Kadokawa games making them

The games are being fully remade, from graphics to systems, and optimized to be easier to play for newcomers. Character designs are completely new, the scenario is fully voiced, and the UI is being optimized. Battles also have cut-ins, and new elements not included in the original games will be added.

Full reveal on the 29th
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Aeolus on August 22, 2018, 01:04:49 AM
Looks like I don't have to worry about trying to hunt down Warsong anymore (assuming they bother to localize these; the other question being 'will they also include Der Langrisser?').

But wait! Does this mean that SRPGs are finally making a comeback!?
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Hathen on August 22, 2018, 01:22:28 AM
Funny this announcement comes as I'm replaying the series. Sound cool, but I don't get what needs to be "casualized" here. If there's one thing the Langrisser series always lacked it was difficulty. You could only really force it on yourself by specifically not doing what the game tells you to (ie attack enemies when you're supposed to be escaping). Even then, it's not like FE where mistakes lose you a unit permanently (well, unless you game over I guess).

Also while the Ar Tonelico guy's art is pretty good too, I still think throwing out Urushihara's art is blasphemy. It was bad enough they didn't get the guy for Reincarnation: Reincarnation, but I don't get why you'd want to replace the guy's old art, it still looks great today. I demand that they reproduce the "shiny skin-tight swimsuits with pauldrons" look.

Also "fully voiced" is nice, but the Dramatic Edition is nearly fully voiced already so I assume they mean they'll re-record all of it since the sound quality on those versions is...about as good as they could've been on SS/PSX.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Aeolus on August 22, 2018, 01:36:30 AM
Honestly, I'd rather have Ar Tonelico's artist over Tensei x Tensei's hack.

Seriously, remember this (NWS): https://gematsu.com/2015/02/langrisser-series-regular-jessica-appear-3ds-revival

I'd rather not have pedobait foisted upon us again.


As for the difficulty issues. There were a couple of maps in certain games where you had to do some pretty unintuitive things to access certain stages (no idea if they'll be able to keep the Cho Aniki stage) or clear certain objectives. Maybe that and making it easier to manage your rank and file/equipment are the casualizations they mentioned (that or Kadokawa feels the need to really softball it for non-SRPG players; which wouldn't surprise me after God Wars/Natural Doctrine).
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Arvis on August 22, 2018, 10:05:28 AM
I'm at the point where I am just assuming that this will be paperthin, pandering garbage.  Prove me wrong, please, Kadokawa.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Aeolus on August 22, 2018, 11:59:02 AM
I'm at the point where I am just assuming that this will be paperthin, pandering garbage.  Prove me wrong, please, Kadokawa.

If you're looking for paperthin, pandering garbage, then might I direct your attention over here: http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=15103.0

So long as this even tries to stay with the original versions and not even up like buggy shovelware (ala Secret of Mana PS4), then it'll be as solid as an early 90s SRPG title.


Edit: Have a look. https://gematsu.com/2018/08/first-look-at-langrisser-i-ii-remakes

The important thing here is that the designs aren't awful...

...I miss Urushihara's designs already.

Links for contrast:
http://archive.rpgamer.com/games/lang/lang2/art/lang21.jpg
http://archive.rpgamer.com/games/lang/lang2/art/lang27.jpg
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Hathen on August 23, 2018, 03:04:30 AM
Pretty much as I expected, the art is just fine and it's a decent recreation of the original designs, but I still don't get really why they would replace Urushihara's art like that. Compared to something like, say, Lufia's original art (http://forfeit.electromaz.com/lufia2/art/maxim2.jpg), Urushihara's fits modern animu tastes just fine so I don't even understand it from that perspective.

It doesn't even look like the goal was to sever the obvious ties to cheesecake associated with the man because they still kept the midriff-tastic designs on Chris and Liara.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Aeolus on August 23, 2018, 03:20:05 AM
Its probably some combination of the first two Langrisser's protagonists looking near identical in their OG art (namely because L2's protags kinda suffer from being generation xerox'd), and that short sleeves/covered shoulders are out while bare shoulders/detached sleeves are in.

I guess the other possible reason is maybe pursuing a (proper) sixth game using the same artist if this one does well.


And on the subject, hell Lufia 2's OG art wasn't that bad either (kinda generic in overall design but had some great action poses), if anything, Curse of the Sinistrals' character design wasn't any less generic (they just traded down from mid 90s generic to early 10s generic).
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: RPG-Man on August 29, 2018, 05:36:30 AM
Well now you can get Satoshi Urushiharaís artwork by getting a DLC for the game to replace the new art, I don't know how to feel about making us pay for the old art, but at least we do have an option to get it back.
http://www.siliconera.com/2018/08/29/satoshi-urushiharas-artwork-is-still-alive-in-langrisser-i-ii-remake-along-with-some-new-work/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2018/08/29/satoshi-urushiharas-artwork-is-still-alive-in-langrisser-i-ii-remake-along-with-some-new-work/)
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Aeolus on August 29, 2018, 09:43:46 AM
I think the more important news item is that they're offering differing routes for Langrisser 1 (with the implication that L2 also has them, with indeed confirms that they're most likely using Der Langrisser over vanilla L2).

Also, the simple fact that I don't immediately hate Jessica's redesign instantly puts this above Resurrection Reincarnation.

But yes, I'm grateful as all hell that they're giving us a choice in the matter. Better still, is that they actually got Urushihara back to do an extra character (even if Betty's design looks kinda phoned in).
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Mickeymac92 on August 29, 2018, 12:06:56 PM
I'm also glad I get the choice, at least. As for Betty, I wonder if the design started with Ryo Nagi first? Either way, just comparing the two reminds me less why I prefered Satoshi's art, and more of why I found Nagi's art so bland: more and more over the years, Nagi has had a tendancy to draw characters like they're maniquinns, having very little expression or movement, seemingly in order to make designing their costumes easier, or at least to emphasis other parts of his illustrations. Satoshi's illustration of the same bland character design still looks more interesting not only for his less generic art style, but also because he tries to make the character do something and have her at a different angle - you know, spice it up a little?
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Lard on September 03, 2018, 12:48:01 AM
As an aside, was the Langrisser on 3DS  any good? I've seen it for sale a few times and thought about picking it up.

If I haven't played any others in the series, will I be totally lost?
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Aeolus on September 03, 2018, 07:32:44 AM
Its bad. Stay away.

The TL;DR is that RE:IT took the series' core gameplay mechanic and straight up gutted it without offering anything to even try to fill the void.

The fact that the game looked like some collage kid's Unity project or that the character designer has a thing for lolis didn't help matters either.

As for the plot, I'd be hard pressed to find a more generic/rehashed plot in this failed timeline hellscape that is the Recycled Age of Television.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Hathen on September 03, 2018, 04:32:02 PM
I know battle animations typically get turned off a few hours into play, but I still can't get over the fact they went with the bobbleheads-sorta-briskly-walking-next-to-each-other-before-exploding look that probably took a lot more time for that intern to make, but looks infinitely worse than even Langrisser 1.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Jimmy on September 04, 2018, 05:11:53 PM
I've never played a Langrisser game, but I'd like to! So hopefully we'll get these. Though from what I've seen of the old art, I have to agree with Hathen about the art. I really like the 80s/90s fantasy anime designs, and they don't really look dated at all. Ah well.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Aeolus on November 02, 2018, 02:00:44 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2018/11/01/langrisser-i-iis-original-characters-by-satoshi-urushihara-compared-to-modern-new-looks/

Bumping this for a more in-depth side by side comparison of the principle cast.

Poor Leon got the worst of the redesigns (he now looks like a kid borrowing his dad's armor), lmao at Urushihara's version of Betty and her armor piercing anatomy (and how its a far cry better than Nagi's verion), and thankfully Nagi looks to have more or less glossed over the bulk of the older male cast (Volkoff seems to have gotten the worst of it there) and Hein.

Otherwise its still the 90% pauldron size reduction, on top of reduced armor/clothing, and rearranged male BMI/female measurements.


Hopefully, Sony's recent policy enforcement policy doesn't kibosh our chances of seeing this outside of Japan.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Mickeymac92 on November 02, 2018, 03:53:14 AM
What a coincidence, my copy of Der Langrisser just arrived...I'm still not fond of the new designs (I'm not a fan of Nagi's character art in general. I like his mechanical designs in games like Ar Tonelico, though), but I still might get the Switch version if it ever comes out in North America, and doesn't screw up the mechanics. I like this series a lot, it just hasn't been treated well lately...
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on November 02, 2018, 08:18:26 PM
I am amused and amazed that every single female character who has been redesigned has less clothing.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Hathen on November 03, 2018, 12:29:15 PM
I'd actually say the cheesecake level was about the same, except when you get to Lushiris which is fucking hilarious given her role.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Aeolus on November 04, 2018, 06:58:06 AM
I'd actually say the cheesecake level was about the same, except when you get to Lushiris which is fucking hilarious given her role.

I'd say that Jessica is showing off a whole lot more as well (though not as much as in her Tensei Tensei appearance), which is also utterly hilarious given her own role (pun intended).

Although I will argue that Imelda definitely has more added to her (probably to help hold up all that silicone Nagi injected into her character design).
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: daved on November 07, 2018, 03:10:51 PM
I'm a Growlanser fan but have never played Warsong / Langrisser.  Too bad it seems like everyone says the 3DS installment is no good.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Arvis on November 14, 2018, 11:20:27 AM
It looks like Betty and Cherie's designs actually got better, which is amazing.  But as expected, the rest of the female cast just got worse.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Hathen on February 26, 2019, 05:15:25 AM
20 minutes of gameplay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW7p6qRKBm4).

So...I gotta say my first impressions are kinda mixed already. The graphics are clean and colorful at least, but the sprite art is pretty bad. The battle scenes are lacking their usual impact because once again for some reason they decided they didn't want the sprites bumping up against each other. What's with all the recent Langrisser games not understanding this? At least it doesn't look as laughable as Double Reincarnation though. Map animations are equally unimpressive and are way too slow which can probably get pretty grating after a while.

More important is the gameplay though- for some reason they decided to take away the simple straightforward "everyone has 10 HP" system that's basically signature for the series. Making the numbers bigger just makes things more annoying to assess at a glance. To be fair the mobile game does this too, but I don't get why they wouldn't stick to it. The maps are largely the same but seem to be slightly edited in some cases- for example, Chapter 4 of Langrisser II is shown at the end, and the map seems narrower and the enemies are clumped together a bit more. An attempt to make the map smaller I guess? Probably won't change all that much here, but it does make me wonder how they might have changed some other maps so it has that going for it.

I'll probably still check it out when its released, but when its all said and done I wouldn't be surprised if I still preferred playing the PS/Saturn remakes of the games instead of this. There's something wrong when the gachashit version of the franchise being made by a company not even in the same country somehow seems to nail it much better than an official remake. Hopefully if someone brights it over here they won't get the same people translating it as the mobage though, the English script there is a disaster.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Arvis on February 26, 2019, 03:25:53 PM
^ The sprite art DOES look very "mobile", unfortunately.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Aeolus on February 27, 2019, 04:50:18 AM
More important is the gameplay though- for some reason they decided to take away the simple straightforward "everyone has 10 HP" system that's basically signature for the series. Making the numbers bigger just makes things more annoying to assess at a glance. To be fair the mobile game does this too, but I don't get why they wouldn't stick to it.

Why would they do this? This is almost Shadow Dragon levels of remaking too much while missing the point. At least they're willing to edit some of the maps to maybe not be as clunky as they could've been in the original, so they have that over FE's remakes (aside from Shadow Dragon's original remake on the SFC). But the question remains of whether they should be altering the games to that degree or if they even know how.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Hathen on April 17, 2019, 12:04:18 AM
So the game's coming out in about 2 days on the JP side, and some random info I've found:

*Class trees and class advancement apparently aren't automatically something you get at level 10, but rather you gain Class Points through battle that you spend to change and advance classes with.

*There's a skill system in the game, examples include pretty simple effects like DEF+5, DEF+10 and Troop DEF Modifier +5%. It's pretty simple, with only 2 slots per character.

*There's a scenario map in-game, though this was a feature in the previous remakes already IIRC

*Story forks are present for Langrisser I, a first for the franchise, and its possible this is where Betty fits into the story

That last point alone is something that might get me to shell out for this version. Just need to pray for that localization now.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on April 19, 2019, 07:45:11 PM
There's also a pretty neat trophy list for the PS 4 version.  Still not enough of an incentive to buy it, though.  I plan to wait until reviews are in.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Mickeymac92 on July 03, 2019, 11:55:48 AM
For what it's worth, Langrisser 1 & 2 is releasing in the West early next year via NIS America (https://gematsu.com/2019/07/langrisser-i-ii-coming-west-for-ps4-switch-and-pc-in-early-2020). While they didn't state explicitly that it will come with the classic graphics mode DLC, the trailer and marketing do feature both of them prominently. Personally, I'd only get it if it does have the classic graphics version, yet at the same time...I already own both games on their original platforms, so I'm not sure what this remake would add? We'll see, I guess...
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Aeolus on July 03, 2019, 12:03:04 PM
My biggest concern is if they do this like they did with Ys VIII, or worse, Ar Tonelico 2.

Having the Cold Steel peeps giving Cold Steel some TLC doesn't necessarily mean they've got them giving it to Langrisser as well.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Mickeymac92 on July 03, 2019, 12:25:02 PM
My biggest concern is if they do this like they did with Ys VIII, or worse, Ar Tonelico 2.

Having the Cold Steel peeps giving Cold Steel some TLC doesn't necessarily mean they've got them giving it to Langrisser as well.

Yeah, I know what you mean. NISA doesn't exactly have a good track record in general when it comes to localizating anything other than Disgaea...
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on July 07, 2019, 09:54:10 AM
I disagree as I think they did a good job with the Danganronpa games.  I might pick this up as I think the Limited Edition version of the game looks appealing with all the soundtrack CD's.  Having never played the originals, this would be a new experience for me, which is a plus.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Jimmy on July 24, 2019, 03:35:03 AM
Coming into this conversation a little late, but I'm super excited for the NA release. I've been playing the Langrisser mobile game daily since a few days after launch, and I enjoyed the "demakes" of Langrisser 1 and 2 you can play through it, so I'm really excited for the full games. Does anyone know if the feature to switch to the original character art will be included in the NA release? I frankly don't care for the artwork by the Ar Tonelico character designer and much prefer the character designs in the mobile game.

Also, soundtrack CDs would be a great addition. Some of the music on the mobile game is garbage, but a lot of the music is quite good. I've watched some of the gameplay footage for Langrisser 1 and 2 and recognize a lot of the music, so I guess that means the mobile game's good music is from the originals.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Hathen on August 06, 2019, 03:43:07 AM
Currently there's been no news of whether the original Urushihara art will be available in our version of the game. However, I did notice that the preorder collector's edition has a soundtrack that has the Urushihara art on it, so I have to imagine they got the rights for it or something?

As I understand it the Japanese version only had the original art in their collector's edition (a very odd way to go about it IMO), but how/if we'll get it is still up in the air.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Jimmy on August 21, 2019, 02:06:33 PM
Well, hopefully we'll get some good news about the original art. I'll get it regardless, but I'll be pretty bummed if we can't get the original artwork. I hope this collection does well. I'd love to get a full re-release of the other Langrisser games as well. I've been making my way through the Langrisser III de-make on Langrisser mobile and it seems really excellent.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on September 09, 2019, 08:41:59 PM
A part of me really wants to get this game.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Jimmy on September 27, 2019, 06:24:02 PM
In somewhat related news, the Langrisser mobile game just started a crossover with the Sakura Wars series. Only three SW characters available at this point and they've yet to add any kind of story content, but that's probably because the Overlord path from Langrisser II is still ongoing. I enjoyed the previous crossover with Trails in the Sky though I do hope any battles they include in the story content for the Sakura Wars crossover contain fewer annoying gimmicks than the battles during the Trails in the Sky crossover did. Those later battles got super annoying and I stopped playing them.

Also, I'm sure people have noted this before, but how exactly is Sakura from Sakura Wars not considered copyright infringement of Kaoru from RuroKen? Not that I want to throw the author of RuroKen a bone or anything, but seriously how?
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Hathen on September 27, 2019, 08:35:33 PM
For the mobile game there's info on what's coming about 6 months ahead because the Global release basically just plays catchup to the original Chinese server with a couple QoL features being introduced earlier (leading to things like the shoddy translation having copy-pasta'd patch notes even when it makes no sense, like the latest one claiming that the Eternal Temple would gain Secret Realm Blessing when that's been in the Global version, along with sweeps, for like 2 months now). The Sakura Wars crossover is only going to have the 3 characters (Sakura/Sumire/Iris), and the story event is coming right after the Overlord event ends. It's already known that in a few months we're getting a different crossover:

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Yu Yu Hakusho
Which really hammers home the image that the Langrisser Mobile devs really enjoy their 90s games/anime, hah.

While the challenge maps (basically all the ones that give the controller currency) are almost always insanely difficult, at least they learned to make it so that the main story of the event uses preset units, so that means they're solvable for everyone without being locked out because you didn't grind up a specific character or whatever. The current Overlord event in particular has by far the hardest challenge maps yet. It's a mixed blessing- it's nice to have super hard endgame content for longer-term players, but I don't think it's healthy for the game to gate limited currency like the controllers behind it. They should just give cosmetic rewards or something so you can show off how you beat the hardest content in the game.

As for Sakura vs Kaoru, I'm really not seeing the lawsuit level of similarity. I can see arguing they're the same sort of character archetype, but ultimately they both just seem like they're drawn from the typical Japanese Yamato Nadeshiko ideal.

Also oh yeah I guess this thread is about that Switch remake. FTR I've preordered the special edition myself, so if any of you are on the fence and totally value my awesome opinion I'll be sure to give some impressions of it when I get my hands on it.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Jimmy on September 28, 2019, 08:42:40 PM
I heard about the upcoming crossover and saw some video of it. Looks fun, but the crossovers are merely cash grabs by offering limited time summons. I enjoy them, but aside from $50 I spent over the summer to support the devs, I'm not spending money to try to snag the summons.

You're definitely right about the main, limited-time stories using preset characters. It was so frustrating during some of the earlier story events that I could only get so far without paying boat-loads of money. I've finally reached a point where I can complete some of the level 60 challenge maps, but it has taken a long time to get here. The level 65 stuff is still out of my reach. My top five heroes just hit the 23,000 power level mark. Also, I'm just really glad we got some Secret Realm sweeps. It's cut the time I've had the game on in half though to be fair I mostly just use auto-battle for that stuff.

As for Langrisser 1 and 2. I'm super-tempted to get the special edition version, my wife and I are stuck in a small, one-bedroom apartment until I finish the PhD and space is a premium. So I'm going to have to keep my game purchases largely digital for the foreseeable future. Still really looking forward to the collection, especially happy to get a chance to see all the paths and endings of Langrisser 2. I'm still struggling with the new character designs though.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: MonCapitan2002 on November 04, 2019, 02:10:35 PM
Is this out yet?
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Hathen on November 05, 2019, 02:50:35 AM
Early 2020.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Jimmy on November 07, 2019, 01:51:02 AM
I looked today too because a friend somehow mixed these up with Trails in Cold Steel 3. Hopefully we'll get a firm date soon. I decided today that I'm done with Langrisser mobile, but I would still jump at the chance to play the full versions of Langrisser 1 and 2. I'm a bit disappointed since I've stopped playing the Langrisser 3 demake in the mobile game approximately halfway through, but I don't want to spend the money or go to the effort of grinding to make more progress. Maybe if the Langrisser 1 and 2 remake does well they'll do a Langrisser 3 remake, but I obviously won't hold my breath. So far though I'd say it is the best in the series.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Hathen on November 22, 2019, 06:41:49 AM
March 10th in the US, 13th in Europe (https://gematsu.com/2019/11/langrisser-i-ii-launches-march-10-2020-in-north-america-march-13-in-europe). Odd timing for it given that that's right at the heels of FF7R which will probably take most people's attention. Whatever the case it's nice to get a solid release date now.

Also, based on this trailer (https://youtu.be/nH-IAay9b2o) it appears the classic art will be available for anyone who gets the game and not just a limited edition thing, a big plus.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Jimmy on November 22, 2019, 11:21:02 AM
Oh man, that's a huge relief. I don't think I'll go for the special edition release then (the soundtrack CD does still make it tempting though). I would have totally spent the money if that was the only way to get the original artwork. I think the new designs are nice, but they just don't cut it for me after playing Langrisser M.

And I can handle that release date, I guess. I'm going to be busy studying for my comps, so I probably won't get to either FF7R or this until April.
Title: Re: Langrisser 1 and 2 remakes for PS4 and Switch
Post by: Mickeymac92 on November 25, 2019, 02:35:41 PM
Thank freaking God! I think I know what I'll get for my birthday, then...