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Title: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ULTROS! on July 28, 2010, 04:19:48 AM
From GAF/Jump:

Tales of Graces PS3 - Winter 2010
New Tales game for PS3 - no date
Radiant Mythology 3 for PSP - 2011
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on July 28, 2010, 04:29:48 AM
Niiiccceee!

It's been rumoured Graces was coming to PS3 for a while now, but I'm glad it's confirmed. It's probably unlikely it'll get a worldwide release, but here's hoping! If not, I suppose I'll import. I do prefer playing games in my native language though. Not a surprise a new ones announced for PS3 either.

They need to stop with radiant mythology though. I can't speak for the second one (as I haven't played it), but the first was garbage. Mindless fetch quests through the same dungeons over and over again. Plus a lame story. Even if it was intended as a fan crossover game, it did it badly.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on July 28, 2010, 09:24:27 AM
I'm certain that Graces will do just as well on the PS3 as Symphonia did on the PS2.

Especially out in the US market.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Farron on July 28, 2010, 10:04:27 AM
Very nice! I at least hope that this time Bandai Namco publishes them here. I'd like to know what they're scared of, I mean Atlus publishes a lot of games and much sell less than any Tales.
Let's hope Graces looks at least as good as Vesperia since it's a port of a Wii game.
Now I wonder if they're going to re-do evrything, from characters models, towns, spells effects, etc wouldn't it be easier to make a new game ? Well, at least they already have voice acting, soundtrack and plot (and as a bonus for me, the theme song is performed by BoA).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kstar on July 28, 2010, 11:23:48 AM
Great news!  I've been playing Arc Rise Fantasia which totally reminds me of a Tales game in some regards and I keep realizing how much I want to be playing a new Tales game.  The Tales series is definitely a guilty pleasure of mine.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Larahl on July 28, 2010, 11:36:20 AM
Is the new Tales game for the PS3 is being developed by Team Symphonia or Team Destiny?
And I feel bad for not having any current-gen home console. I really wish to get both PS3 and X360. So. Much. Games. I. Want.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Blace on July 28, 2010, 02:07:29 PM
Hopefully Graces makes its way over here. Looked interesting.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Logick on July 28, 2010, 02:34:44 PM
Tales of not likely coming out here. :P
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on July 28, 2010, 03:18:27 PM
Is the new Tales game for the PS3 is being developed by Team Symphonia or Team Destiny?
And I feel bad for not having any current-gen home console. I really wish to get both PS3 and X360. So. Much. Games. I. Want.

Sorry to hear that dude.Just stay patient.Those price drops keep rolling in.You'll have a PS3 or 360 soon,don't worry.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 28, 2010, 03:55:56 PM
I'm still here waiting for the 2nd remake of Phantasia for the PSP (http://topndx.namco-ch.net/)... yeah, what the hell happened with that Bamco?

Other than that, waiting for more info for the new Tales games (that maybe we will never see).

I'm certain that Graces will do just as well on the PS3 as Symphonia did on the PS2.

Especially out in the US market.

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kstar on July 28, 2010, 03:59:07 PM
I'm not sure we'll see them, but I'm hoping we'll get at least one that makes it over here - maybe Graces PS3.  Otherwise, I'm really considering importing.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 28, 2010, 07:29:03 PM
Namco Bandai has a might large wound to mend with it's fans - I hope they bring some of this stuff Stateside.

EDIT:
I like how ToG's Sophie got rid of her Grey 80's Jumpsuit.  

That, and [Title 4] Tales looks infinitely more interesting than Wii>PS3 ToG (rhymes!!!)
... How will a port like that even look??  (Other than pixelated...)  I guess this is their contigency plan to make up for recall?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Citan on July 29, 2010, 08:29:56 AM
Thank Goodness the PS3 is region-free...>_>
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on July 29, 2010, 09:17:42 AM
Is the new Tales game for the PS3 is being developed by Team Symphonia or Team Destiny?
And I feel bad for not having any current-gen home console. I really wish to get both PS3 and X360. So. Much. Games. I. Want.
Destiny did the last one, so I'm assuming that the new one will be done by Team Symphonia.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 29, 2010, 11:28:39 AM
Is the new Tales game for the PS3 is being developed by Team Symphonia or Team Destiny?
And I feel bad for not having any current-gen home console. I really wish to get both PS3 and X360. So. Much. Games. I. Want.
Destiny did the last one, so I'm assuming that the new one will be done by Team Symphonia.

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on July 29, 2010, 08:21:30 PM
Is the new Tales game for the PS3 is being developed by Team Symphonia or Team Destiny?
And I feel bad for not having any current-gen home console. I really wish to get both PS3 and X360. So. Much. Games. I. Want.
Destiny did the last one, so I'm assuming that the new one will be done by Team Symphonia.

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Team Symphonia > Team Destiny
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Jonathan Ingram on July 29, 2010, 09:11:28 PM
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Team Symphonia > Team Destiny

Team Destiny is responsible for the best games in the series: Tales of Destiny II(PS2), Tales of Rebirth and Tales of Destiny Remake. Team Symphonia only made the crappy 3D Tales games. So, it`s actually Team Destiny > Team Symphonia.....  IMHO.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on July 29, 2010, 09:23:03 PM
They also made the worst. I feel Symphonia has, overall, a much higher standard.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 30, 2010, 01:16:09 AM
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Team Symphonia > Team Destiny

Team Destiny is responsible for the best games in the series: Tales of Destiny II(PS2), Tales of Rebirth and Tales of Destiny Remake. Team Symphonia only made the crappy 3D Tales games. So, it`s actually Team Destiny > Team Symphonia.....  IMHO.

Rebirth was just flat out...weird, to me.  Destiny II felt too much like a sequel, and looking at Reala all the time is worse than playing Silent Hill.  Destiny Remake...okay, you got me there.  But speaking Symphonia sports a generally fleshed-out cast, and Abyss a deep one - I can't really say I prefer team Destiny.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Raze on July 30, 2010, 02:33:30 AM
Which one is responsible for legendia? I said so before, but that almost killed the series for me. I'm sure a lot of people passed on abyss as a direct result of it. I almost did, only reluctantly buying it months after release because I had people here to tell me it didn't suck.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on July 30, 2010, 02:40:19 AM
Which one is responsible for legendia? I said so before, but that almost killed the series for me. I'm sure a lot of people passed on abyss as a direct result of it. I almost did, only reluctantly buying it months after release because I had people here to tell me it didn't suck.

Neither, it was a new team that I think was composed of Soul Calibur staff.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cosign on July 30, 2010, 06:06:41 AM
There is a high chance that Tales of Grace on the PS3 won't get a localization.

The other original Tales on PS3 will probably get an Xbox port and reach a sizeable audience in the West.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 30, 2010, 10:50:44 AM
There is a high chance that Tales of Grace on the PS3 won't get a localization.

Why's that?
I don't doubt it, instinctually, but you say it so a-matter-of-fact-ish. =(

EDIT:  Actually, let me correct that.  I *don't* know instinctually...it's a self defense mechanism that is triggering because I don't want to be disappointed.  So I deny the possibility of a stateside release so I look like "=D" all the time.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on July 30, 2010, 11:26:59 AM
Destiny team games traditionally get the shaft. Before it's been because their games have always been 2D, but with Tales games doing so crappily in the US I'd be surprised if any got localized anymore.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 30, 2010, 12:25:58 PM
Destiny team games traditionally get the shaft. Before it's been because their games have always been 2D, but with Tales games doing so crappily in the US I'd be surprised if any got localized anymore.

I never understood that... especially with the way NISA games sell (waaaaay worse).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on July 30, 2010, 12:51:59 PM
Namco Bandai has different standards than an outfit like NISA.  NISA knows their games and niche and aren't going to sell that many copies so they keep their costs in line with those expectations.  It's possible for them to eek out a small profit that way and stay in business but they're never going to be rich.

Namco Bandai is a much, much larger company and for them Tales is one of their key franchises...at least in Japan.  Because the games do well in Japan they have, perhaps, unrealistic expectations of how they 'should' sell in the US.  Since those expectations generally aren't met they don't consider it worth the effort.  True they could try do things the way NISA does, keeping costs to a minimum, but for a large company the potential profit from doing that isn't worth the opportunity cost.  They'd rather have their people working on things that will get them more money.

At the same time they are very controlling of the franchise because it is big (at least in Japan...) and they don't want to just hand the localization effort over to a third party for a quick buck.  I honestly can't say that there isn't some logic behind all of this but the end result--not having the games localized at all--sucks for us.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: OkamiGeisha on July 30, 2010, 01:27:32 PM
I've only got a Wii for now but want to get a PS3 based on the JRPGs that are out now and forthcoming.   I've never played a Tales game before but sounds like something I'd like!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Roger S. Huxley on July 31, 2010, 01:14:55 AM
http://www.talesunion.com/news/namco-were-working-on-us-tales-releases--1082.html

More potential good news for fans.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on July 31, 2010, 02:35:59 AM
Good stuff.

I hope they just keep brining out the new stuff over here first before doing translations for older titles.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 31, 2010, 12:40:47 PM
http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/81164/were-working-on-us-tales-releases-says-namco/

URL says it all... yippee!?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Farron on July 31, 2010, 09:37:19 PM
I was gonna post the same thing! lol
Anyway, I'm glad they are 'working on it" but given the time that has already passed, I think they should "work on in a lot faster". Oh, I think I know why they're taking so long, they're waiting for another RPGs to come and release it at the same time so no one buys their games, maybe they're waiting for Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy IXV, Dragon Age 2 or Fallout New Vegas, you know, some small title like these crappy games no one cares about. [/sarcasm]

Seriously now, when we have news of the new Tales for the PS3, if nor Vesperia nor Graces comes, people won't even care anymore, I know I won't. With Tales games from now on I'll have the same politics I have with Gran Turismo: I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ULTROS! on August 02, 2010, 12:06:02 AM
There's a Tales Conference coming in an hour.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Tailzo on August 02, 2010, 03:00:55 AM
Namco Bandai Confirms New Tales Games
PS3 and PSP titles confirmed at Tales series press conference. Tales of Unitia name denied.
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/08/02/tales_games_confirmed/
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Just in case you don't trust Jump leaks, Famitsu.com has confirmed all those Tales game that leaked out of Jump last week. Tales of Graces F for PlayStation 3, Tales of the World Radiant Mythology 3 for PlayStation Portable, and a brand new Tales game or PS3 are all officially official now.

The confirmation comes in Famitsu.com's flash report from a Tales series press conference that was held earlier today.

Briefly describing the three games, the site said the following:

•Tales of Graces F
Wii's Tales of Graces, powered up for PlayStation 3. The new version includes an after-story that wasn't in the original Wii version. A release is set for Winter 2010.

•Tales of the World Radiant Mythology 3
Set for PlayStation Portable, this will include over 80 characters from past Tales games, with Graces' Aspel appearing for the first time. A release is set for 2011.

•"Next Tales of"
This is what Famitsu uses to refer to the new PS3 title. A number of concept images were shared at the press conference. These left the site's reporters with the impression that the new game will have a darker feel than past Tales games. Namco Bandai did not share release info.
The site promises additional details to follow.

Separate from the Famitsu story, Inside Games was Tweeting from the event. The site reported that Namco Bandai denied that the name of the new PS3 game is "Tales of Unitia," a name that has been rumored for some time now. Additionally, Namco Bandai confirmed a budget version of Tales of the World Radiant Mythology 2 for September 29 release.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ULTROS! on August 02, 2010, 10:18:53 AM
Teaser site for the next Tales Of: http://www.bandainamcogames.co.jp/cs/list/nto/
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 02, 2010, 11:37:45 AM
Teaser site for the next Tales Of: http://www.bandainamcogames.co.jp/cs/list/nto/

134 DAYS?!?!??!
*die*

The concept art excites me.
NamcoBandai, may you burn in hell if none of ANYTHING are localized... except the Radiant Mythology... who cares (IMO).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ULTROS! on August 02, 2010, 11:55:35 AM
New info will come around December 15, around Jump Festa 2011 I guess.

December 15 also marks the 15th anniversary of the Tales series (Tales of Phantasia was released December 15 1995).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Wilsongt on August 02, 2010, 12:01:14 PM
I would have liked to play tales of Graces. It look good.

But, Tales of Never Coming to the US indeed.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on August 02, 2010, 08:19:03 PM
A part of me wouldn't be too broken up if Tales games never made it to the U.S. ever again. Tales fans are douchebags. Take this letter, which makes outrageous claims and got Troy Baker in trouble with Namco Bandai if reports are to be believed:

"I've sent this e-mail to the Namco Bandai customer service:
Dear Namco Bandai staff members,

It has come to an attention that several gaming forum sites have been wondering if Namco Bandai's hiding their secrets of releasing this game into United States. Clearly, there were several voice actors that did Tales of Vesperia (XBox 360) admitted that they were sent back to the studios to work on the Playstation 3 version to act for the new voice lines and new script parts.

Voice actors such as Troy Baker (Voice for Yuri Lowell) has been leaking information to fans and anime convention center press conference last couple of weeks that he was sent back to Namco Bandai for the new voice acts regarding Tales of Vesperia, as well as I've reached Sam Riegel (Voice for Flynn Scifo) and Michelle Ruff (Rita Mordio) through email, and they did confirm that they were sent back for the Vesperia PS3 voice casts, which they were unsure if the game was coming out anytime soon.

I would like to know why you guys haven't yet planned of announcing this game yet so far. And please don't recommend me of new Dragonball and Naruto games or even Tekken 6. Because I already got Tekken 6 and I am more interested of looking for Tales of Vesperia for Playstation 3.

I mean, seriously. The game's got higher marketing of being sold more than 360 one, and generally it got the highest rating from Japanese version.

If the voice actors are leaking the news for this "Secret" project, why not just announce it to the press?"
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ShadowLaguna on August 03, 2010, 03:48:34 AM
134 days.... Gotta love teasers.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on August 04, 2010, 06:10:22 PM
No worries about the 130+ days.I'm sure Famitsu or Shonen will leak it by then :D
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on August 04, 2010, 07:34:52 PM
Tales fans are douchebags.

I resent that. :)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on August 04, 2010, 09:13:59 PM
Tales fans are douchebags.

I resent that. :)

You're probably also not harassing Namco of America staff over Facebook and making an ass of yourself.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on August 04, 2010, 09:29:56 PM
Yes, that is true. :D

I don't even have Facebook.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ULTROS! on August 05, 2010, 12:07:08 AM
I like the Tales series but these Tales fans on Facebook are crazy. They're posting who to contact at Namco and Namco's contact details at almost every post.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on August 05, 2010, 12:26:16 AM
I imagine they'd be more inclined to bring them over if their fans didn't act insane.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 05, 2010, 12:29:07 AM
I imagine they'd be more inclined to bring them over if their fans didn't act insane.

How ironic.  There's no translation of that constant squabbling to equate into a few "$$" 's?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Starmongoose on August 05, 2010, 12:30:33 AM
Is there a certain element of Tales games that attract crazies? Or are crazies the kind of animal where it only takes one to find a suitable nesting ground, and other crazies follow the lead crazy?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 05, 2010, 12:41:07 AM
Is there a certain element of Tales games that attract crazies? Or are crazies the kind of animal where it only takes one to find a suitable nesting ground, and other crazies follow the lead crazy?

I've always wondered myself why even I like the series.  I just think it's a clever mix of fun elements, guilty pleasures, and a not-half bad gameplay.

Fun Elements

Guilty Pleasures

Gameplay
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Starmongoose on August 05, 2010, 12:46:20 AM
Is there a certain element of Tales games that attract crazies? Or are crazies the kind of animal where it only takes one to find a suitable nesting ground, and other crazies follow the lead crazy?


Fun Elements
  • costumes

Guilty Pleasures
  • boob jokes

Thanks, I understand now.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 05, 2010, 12:56:30 AM
Fun Elements
  • costumes

Thanks, I understand now.

C'mon now... didn't people get pissy-er with every new update of this for the PS3 Vesperia?  Aren't we all KIIINDA suckered in by a few bonuses?  Lord knows half of the JRPG outfits are borderline retarded, and a change is nice.

People like Tales for similar reasons to NieR - it's imperfect yet charming enough to make up for the losses.  What it does right it does well.  And there are certainly a lot worse game choices, but Tales remain pretty consistent in providing a jolly good time.  Some more (some less) than others.  I hate when games stick you to a path and a final boss.  I personally add a star when developers go beyond and program post-game (or extra challenge) content.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Starmongoose on August 05, 2010, 01:01:21 AM
I was only teasing, Dice. :)

I still like Ar Tonelico 2 despite its rather strange obsession for phallic jokes and girly parts. I would be sorely lacking for RPG's if I didn't turn off my brain for a few moments to enjoy a sex joke.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on August 05, 2010, 01:05:49 AM
The more hilarious part is when you say Tales is one giant anime cliche and fans are all "NO IT ISN'T HARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH"
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on August 05, 2010, 02:32:10 AM
NO IT ISN'T HARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH.

I jest. Except for Tales of Hearts, that is.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on August 09, 2010, 05:12:49 AM
http://kotaku.com/5602140/first-look-at-art-for-new-tales-game

Here, have some art.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 09, 2010, 07:05:17 PM
Some Tales Forum goers are actually pretty pissy about the new direction to a darker Tales installment.  I can't believe.  Maybe there is no satisfying.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on August 09, 2010, 07:06:36 PM
Looks good to me.

But then, I'm not really a 'Tales Fan'.

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on August 09, 2010, 07:44:17 PM
Some Tales Forum goers are actually pretty pissy about the new direction to a darker Tales installment.  I can't believe.  Maybe there is no satisfying.
QED Tales fans are douches.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 09, 2010, 07:50:26 PM
Some Tales Forum goers are actually pretty pissy about the new direction to a darker Tales installment.  I can't believe.  Maybe there is no satisfying.
QED Tales fans are douches.

Thats a fact.
I can see why they're upset of course.  Rarely is one of the best-known [RPG] franchises neglected so often.  I hate how people are still off on WE'LL NEVER PLAY ONE AGAIN NEVER EVER NEVER NEVER.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Sagacious-T on August 09, 2010, 07:55:12 PM
Tales RPGs are like the Chili's of video games. Not the best food ever, but pretty delicious and filling, and it has something for everyone.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: CDFN on September 02, 2010, 08:59:30 AM
A demo is coming your way sooner than you think:

PlayStation 3 owners will get a shot at Tales of Graces a bit earlier than expected. Namco Bandai is readying a demo version of the Tales of Graces F for distribution through PlayStation Network towards the end of this month. The game is not due for release until some time this Winter.

This week's Jump has first mention of the demo. Unfortunately, the magazine does not say what type of content we can expect.

Tales of Graces F is an updated version of Wii's Tales of Graces. In addition to full HD visuals, the game adds new "hi-ougi" special attacks, a new post game scenario of substantial length, and new character costumes to go with the scenario.

Outside of the demo news, Jump also has first details on a pre-order bonus. Buyers will get a "Dramatic DVD." This comes with a password for obtaining custom themes and downloadable costumes.

In terms of game content, Jump provides a look at a new costume and new attacks for Richard. Prior to this, Namco Bandai had only shown the new clothing for heroine Sophie.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on September 02, 2010, 08:27:17 PM
Some Tales Forum goers are actually pretty pissy about the new direction to a darker Tales installment.  I can't believe.  Maybe there is no satisfying.
QED Tales fans are douches.

Thats a fact.
I can see why they're upset of course.  Rarely is one of the best-known [RPG] franchises neglected so often.  I hate how people are still off on WE'LL NEVER PLAY ONE AGAIN NEVER EVER NEVER NEVER.

"Fuck I'll never play that shit when it's released"
...
*beep boop beep beep boop boop boop beep*
"Hello Gamestop?  Can you prereserve the New Tales game yet?"

Srsly. 

Anyway, a dark sounding Tales sounds interesting.  But like Ash mentioned, "dark" and "anime cliches" rarely go well together.  I'm hopeful since I do love the gameplay, but we'll see.

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Tales RPGs are like the Chili's of video games. Not the best food ever, but pretty delicious and filling, and it has something for everyone.

Pretty much sums it up.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on September 02, 2010, 09:51:14 PM
"Fuck I'll never play that shit when it's released"
...
*It comes out, everyone praises it, then they give in and buy it.*

I'm pretty sure that better reflects reality. I mostly disregarded Vesperia in favor of Infinite Undiscovery until I saw how they were reviewed and received. Then renting Infinite Undiscovery made me REALLY play Vesperia (though it's still unfinished).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: hell_snake on November 22, 2010, 05:07:34 PM
Apparently the game has a name now: Tales of Xillia

Courtesy of Tales Union (http://www.talesunion.com/news/tales-of-xillia-is-next-ps3-tales-of--1407.html):-

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Last month, we uncovered new trademarks for possible names for the next Tales of title. It seems Namco Bandai has put up the sub-domain for the official website up early, and it looks like we can infer what the final name is: Tales of Xillia.

The game will utilize the contrast between light and shadow, which will lead to the game having a different art style direction than Vesperia's anime-style graphics or Graces's watercolor-style graphics (it could be more of a hand-painted or oil painting-like feel if the concept artwork is any indication). Baba stated that when he saw some of the concept artwork images running on actual hardware he was very impressed.

Right now, the sub-domain has a website The Idolmaster as placeholder, likely until they actually get ready to reveal the game next month.

It's currently unknown what else Tales of Xillia will entail besides knowing the name, as well as any chances of a Western release.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on November 22, 2010, 05:32:49 PM
Now lets hope it actually gets a western release this time...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on November 22, 2010, 06:54:28 PM
i think heads might roll if graces does not make it over here. nammco is like horrible incosistent when it comes to lcalizing tales games.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on November 23, 2010, 01:16:28 AM
I hate how this series is sacked.  It's simple fun.  I know some people hate it, but it could be much worse.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on November 23, 2010, 10:11:58 AM
i think heads might roll if graces does not make it over here. nammco is like horrible incosistent when it comes to lcalizing tales games.
What do you expect? A considerable portion of their fans are fucking ingrates and douchebags. Can you blame them?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on November 23, 2010, 10:45:22 AM
i think heads might roll if graces does not make it over here. nammco is like horrible incosistent when it comes to lcalizing tales games.
What do you expect? A considerable portion of their fans are fucking ingrates and douchebags. Can you blame them?

Touche.
Namco's Facebook updates are especially frightening - http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/namco/posts/177457612270204  hope this works (or just look up Namco Games' "comments" to every post they make).

To their defense, fans have been ballbagged often - only half of the titles have made it over here (think of fan reactions if they didn't announce an FF game)... and no, I'm not talking those shitty spinoffs.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 07, 2010, 10:54:00 AM
Referring to the new Tales of Grace F video in the news (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ZV7N_DARk)
I want to buy this game now, the cuteness at the end with the girl disguised as Hatsune Miku convinced me =P
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 07, 2010, 11:32:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cELslNQ9WJo&feature=feedlik

EPIC attack.  Who uses their back?  Really??
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 07, 2010, 11:40:23 AM
I wanna cry, knowing this game won't make it over. The battle system looks like it's so much fun.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on December 07, 2010, 11:48:33 AM
Does anyone know how much voice acting there is in Graces F?  Since my kanji skills suck that significantly affects importability for me.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 07, 2010, 11:55:59 AM
Does anyone know how much voice acting there is in Graces F?  Since my kanji skills suck that significantly affects importability for me.

That's why I'm not touching it.  A shame since the "Lets Play" vids look great.  I got Vesperia PS3, but I atleast played the X360 and knew what to do (furthermore, skills were easy to read; things read like "ma-ji-ku~a-pu" [magic up], so at least you don't have to learn it the hard way).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on December 07, 2010, 12:15:33 PM
I made it through Vesperia PS3 (without ever having played the 360 version) pretty well, but other than conversations with random townspeople every line of dialogue is voiced in that game.  It really helped.

Actually, I'm kind of in the mood for tackling another RPG in Japanese.  It's good practice.  But it's important to pick the right one.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 07, 2010, 01:01:06 PM
The battle system looks WICKED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmb66rAeB0k

*drools*
They need to bring this over...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 07, 2010, 01:13:18 PM
The battle system looks WICKED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmb66rAeB0k

*drools*
They need to bring this over...

Namco says no money.  At least we get Naruto games... .... .... .... ... =(
Frankly, I'd take unvoiced skits if it means paying the talent less for better profit margin. NISA seems to do ok not caring if they english dub the game or not (but I guess its a matter of professionalism to do so)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 07, 2010, 01:18:25 PM
Namco says no money.

Great... now I get to play this is 10 years after fans make a translation patch.

EDIT: along with the Tales of Vesperia PS3 fan translation patch.
Seriously, I know the PSP is cheap to develop, but can we get some jRPGs on the consoles too over here.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on December 07, 2010, 01:47:39 PM
Great... now I get to play this is 10 years after fans make a translation patch.

There actually is a fan translation patch in the works already.  I doubt it will be 10 years.  However, it sounds like if you've upgraded beyond firmware 3.41 then you're SOL right now.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 07, 2010, 01:53:05 PM
Great... now I get to play this is 10 years after fans make a translation patch.

There actually is a fan translation patch in the works already.  I doubt it will be 10 years.  However, it sounds like if you've upgraded beyond firmware 3.41 then you're SOL right now.

I'd be too scared to trust a jailbreak of the PS3; Sony seems to be on that faster than you can say "I wanna live in a yeller submarine".
Granted, it's sad when fans are taking to translation so passionately because the NA/EU is so shafted at receiving this well-known JRPG series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEB98GnFKs8
I mean, fuck me, that's almost professinal.  ANd they're doing it for free.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 07, 2010, 03:42:49 PM
Wow, that looks great! I'm amazed that they already decompiled and indexed the game o_O!

Don't get me wrong, I don't support modding consoles because most people use it to play copied games. I support any fan translation project. It's  just too bad that the ways needed to play these are usually either illegal or in a grey area at best =/
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on December 07, 2010, 05:22:18 PM
Honestly, I wouldn't be too surprised if they did localize the PS3 version and just skipped the Wii version due to bugginess and backlash from when upgraded ports are released in Japan but not here. This port only came a year after with added content, so they must've had this planned half a year ago or even when the Wii version launched. Not that I'm really expecting to hear anything for the PS3 version either, and my hopes for localization announcements are pinned elsewhere anyway.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 08, 2010, 05:48:23 AM
My main barrier to importing is the cost. Japanese games are nearly double the price (and even moreso because of the strong Yen.)

If the new PS3 exclusive (exclusive for now) doesn't make it over, I'm gonna have to choke a bitch. I think it's fairly certain Graces F won't be seeing. Better improve my Japanese and save up the pennies, because it looks like it's the only way I'm playing this one.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 08, 2010, 06:25:29 AM
Buy from PlayAsia. The cost of the game is only around $5 more than a normal full priced US retail game.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ShadowLaguna on December 08, 2010, 07:07:12 AM
Buy from PlayAsia. The cost of the game is only around $5 more than a normal full priced US retail game.

I'm pretty sure it's not. $94.90.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 08, 2010, 07:52:23 AM
Asian version, dude.

http://www.play-asia.com/Tales_of_Graces_F/paOS-13-71-bp-49-en-70-3zvn.html
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 08, 2010, 08:10:04 AM
Asian version, dude.

http://www.play-asia.com/Tales_of_Graces_F/paOS-13-71-bp-49-en-70-3zvn.html

If I knew where you lived, I'd probably go and kiss your feet. Seriously.

I'll buy it Friday. And now, I gotta increase my Japanese comprehension. Badly.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 08, 2010, 08:29:59 AM
I tried Japanese gaming a couple of times, but I always hit a wall when it gets to kanjis -_-
That and it's been so long my kata/hira are probably crap now.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 08, 2010, 01:12:38 PM
Unless you're lazy/short on time, hiragana only takes a few days, if that, to learn. Katakana is also a bitch to me, but for the most part, I have them down. For a lot of kanji, I know what they mean (Japanese meaning), but I can't read them in Japanese.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on December 08, 2010, 02:45:57 PM
Maybe you already know this but one thing I find really helpful when playing a game in Japanese is to keep a notebook in which I write down every word I have to look up.  This may sound slow and tedius at first, but I think it helps a lot in the long run.  Basically it serves two purposes:
1) The notebook works as a sort of memory supplement.  I find if I don't keep a notebook I will look something up, remember in the short term, but then quickly forget it and have to look it up again the next time I see it.  Since there is a lot of specialized vocabulary you see in a fantasy RPG setting it's pretty normal to encounter a word you've never seen before but then you will continue to see over and over in that game.
2) Forcing yourself to stop and write down a word helps you actually remember it yourself, too.  You inherently have to study it more closely (and in the case of kanji learn something about the strokes, etc) then if you just quickly look it up as a one-time thing.  And furthermore you can study the notebook and review between gameplay sessions (yes, I have actually done this).

Jeez, with all this talk about trying it in Japanese I think I'm going to end up picking this up too.  Not before the end of the year, though.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yoda on December 08, 2010, 02:48:56 PM
How many of you are fluent in Japanese? How many of you know enough to play imported games?


Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 08, 2010, 03:41:14 PM
I know some Korean, and Korean and Japanese are really similar to each other. I'm not fluent, I won't lie. If I had the game in my hands today, I wouldn't be able to play it. But I won't have time to play it probably for two months (already playing three other games), so I should be good by then.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on December 08, 2010, 04:41:48 PM
How many of you are fluent in Japanese? How many of you know enough to play imported games?

Definitely not fluent.  Enough to play imported games?  Sure, I've done it.  I wouldn't want to do it all the time, though.  I always play with a kanji dictionary in my lap and if you spend too much time looking up stuff, well the game isn't fun anymore.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Prime Mover on December 08, 2010, 05:33:07 PM
I know some Korean, and Korean and Japanese are really similar to each other. I'm not fluent, I won't lie. If I had the game in my hands today, I wouldn't be able to play it. But I won't have time to play it probably for two months (already playing three other games), so I should be good by then.

Korean and Japanese are nothing like each other. They're both language isolates with no common ancestory. And as for their orthographies, they couldn't be farther from each other. Japanese uses a combination of Chinese and a syllabic alphabet (two actually), while Korean uses a very strict phonetic alphabet not unlike Latin (though much more precise). I'm sure that both have loan words from each other, in fact, Japanese invented Katakana partially due to Korean loaning, but that's like saying that English is related to Arabic because we have loan words like "assassin".

No, I don't actually know either language at all, but my girlfriend is a linguist currently studdying Japanese, and has studied quite a bit about Korean orthography. Not that I consider myself an expert, but I know enough to know that the two languages are nothing alike.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 08, 2010, 06:23:25 PM
I know some Korean, and Korean and Japanese are really similar to each other. I'm not fluent, I won't lie. If I had the game in my hands today, I wouldn't be able to play it. But I won't have time to play it probably for two months (already playing three other games), so I should be good by then.

Korean and Japanese are nothing like each other. They're both language isolates with no common ancestory. And as for their orthographies, they couldn't be farther from each other. Japanese uses a combination of Chinese and a syllabic alphabet (two actually), while Korean uses a very strict phonetic alphabet not unlike Latin (though much more precise). I'm sure that both have loan words from each other, in fact, Japanese invented Katakana partially due to Korean loaning, but that's like saying that English is related to Arabic because we have loan words like "assassin".

No, I don't actually know either language at all, but my girlfriend is a linguist currently studdying Japanese, and has studied quite a bit about Korean orthography. Not that I consider myself an expert, but I know enough to know that the two languages are nothing alike.

If you know nothing about them, then why are you telling me I'm wrong.

1) Korean and Japanese both have 50-70% of their words from Chinese
2) Korean used to use Chinese characters. They were even in use heavily until the 1970s/1980s. Hangul was created in the 1400s but wasn't used by the literate elite, they continued to use Chinese characters.
3) They have the same grammar: Subject-Object-Verb

From Wikipedia: The possibility of a genetic relationship to the Goguryeo (Koguryŏ) language has the most currency; a relationship to Korean is widely considered

Goguryeo was one of the Korean nations before it unified.

Both Korean and Japanese are officially labeled as isolates because their native words (Japanese and Korean words) aren't alike for the most apart.

Some more explanations here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_Japanese#Korean_hypothesis)

An example from Tae Kim's blog (http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2006/08/12/which-is-harder-japanese-or-korean/) to further illustrate my point:

So far, it seems like Japanese and Korean are totally different. So what the heck was I talking about when I mentioned that they were similar? Well, why don’t we take a look at how to say, “I went to school at 7:00.”

    Japanese: 私は7時に学校に行った。
    Korean: 나는 7시에 학교에 갔어.

Can’t see the similarity? Ok, why don’t we add spaces to the Japanese, replace the Korean with hanja, and use the same style for the characters.

    私は 7時に 學校に 行った。
    나는 7時에 學校에 갔어.

As you can see, the sentence structure is exactly the same. Indeed, Korean and Japanese grammar has the same general ideas including particles and the main verb always being at the end of the sentence. However, that’s like saying French and English grammar are the same. Once you get into the details, you’ll find all sorts of stuff that are completely different. Let’s take a look at a few examples.

Note that the Kanji was changed to match Korean's Hanja. Korean uses the traditional characters. They never simplified their characters. Japanese did.

Korean has two sets of particles for every one Japanese has. Mainly because pronunciation is different, obviously.

Again, taken from Tae Kim's blog.

The 「が」 particle in Japanese is either “가” or “이” depending on what it is attached to. The 「は」 particle is “은” or “는”, 「を」 is either “을” or “를”, and 「で」 is “로” or “으로”.

Since Korean can end words in consonants unlike Japanese, Korean has "two" topic, subject, and object particles. It's to make talking easier.

The main difference between the two languages that I've encountered so far is that Korean has a future, present, and past tense while Japanese only has past and non-past.

Next time, don't tell me I'm wrong when you don't know what you're talking about and have no proof aside from secondhand hearsay.

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 08, 2010, 06:48:06 PM
I really hate it when people who have no idea how Asian languages work tell people who actually know Asian languages that they're doing it wrong.

Morons.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Prime Mover on December 08, 2010, 07:22:05 PM
As for dalucifer's post. My appologies for underestimating your knowledge on the subject. The languages may, in fact, have more relationship than I was allowing. However, in their modern incarnations, especially in their orthographies, it would make translation incredibly difficult for practical application. You, yourself, had to translate the Korean into hanja to expose their similarities in grammatical structure alone. We're talking about comprehension of many hours of text, here.

But my original statement wasn't incorrect, the two languages ARE isolates, even if they both borrow heavily from Chinese. Each borrowing 50%-70% from Chinese may sound like quite a bit, but that's not even the same 50-70%, so when you break it down their overlap is probably closer to 30%, even before taking into consideration the transformations from the original Chinese (Kanji isn't exactly like Chinese). Then there's the matter that modern Korean orthography doesn't use any Chinese, regardless of what they might have done 30 years ago.

And I thought we were discussing practical application. Now, I am having to guess at you're level of comprehension of a language, which I'm assuming is fairly good, though, as you said, not fluent. I don't mean to cut you down, but this all seems very unrealistic in the time-frame you have allotted, be the languages theoretically related or not. Hats off to you if think you can pull it off.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 08, 2010, 07:31:59 PM
The structure of the two is the same. They share a lot of Chinese vocabulary that is the same. The pronunciation is a little different, but it's not huge differences. Translation is fairly easy between the two languages. The biggest problem, like with English, is translating the future tense over to Japanese. I know that they aren't 100% alike. Korean generally has 1 reading per character. The Japanese had to fuck with it and have multiple readings per character.

But generally, knowing Korean has cut down a lot of time I would have needed to study Japanese. Most of my studying in Japanese has been the kanji. In Korean, they are used. Mainly to distinguish words that sound exactly the same and in upper-level readings.

Two months isn't enough to be fluent in any language. But I already know some Japanese. In two months, learning a lot of vocabulary would make ToGF a lot easier to navigate and understand the story. I'm not expecting to understand everything. I like Tales of games for the battle system. Getting the gist of everything is what matters to me. If I get lost, there'll be translation guides, and I already know there's a walkthrough for the Wii version.

---

On a lighter note, I just bought it. They have to restock the game, and that should be done on the tenth. So, I'm guessing I should get the game within two weeks or so.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 08, 2010, 07:32:22 PM
How many of you are fluent in Japanese? How many of you know enough to play imported games?

Definitely not fluent.  Enough to play imported games?  Sure, I've done it.  I wouldn't want to do it all the time, though.  I always play with a kanji dictionary in my lap and if you spend too much time looking up stuff, well the game isn't fun anymore.

I used to be as good as a elementary school Japanese kid...
I haven't (self) practiced in so long I remember next to nothing.
I wouldn't ever play an important game for the same reason. I have a couple of dictionaries and if I have to use them every single line of dialogue, it would just make the game un-fun. Which would be horrible since the games I'd want to import are games I know I would really love.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 08, 2010, 07:36:22 PM
How many of you are fluent in Japanese? How many of you know enough to play imported games?

Definitely not fluent.  Enough to play imported games?  Sure, I've done it.  I wouldn't want to do it all the time, though.  I always play with a kanji dictionary in my lap and if you spend too much time looking up stuff, well the game isn't fun anymore.

I used to be as good as a elementary school Japanese kid...
I haven't (self) practiced in so long I remember next to nothing.
I wouldn't ever play an important game for the same reason. I have a couple of dictionaries and if I have to use them every single line of dialogue, it would just make the game un-fun. Which would be horrible since the games I'd want to import are games I know I would really love.

Are you a person who has to understand everything? For me, I'm just happy I understand part of something. I watch Korean and Japanese dramas understanding 20-50% of it, and mainly the hot girls are the only thing keeping my attention.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 08, 2010, 07:40:37 PM
Oh yeah, I'd translate everything and keep notes in a binder next to me.
I would come to hate the game soooooooooooo bad.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Prime Mover on December 08, 2010, 07:44:47 PM
Are you a person who has to understand everything? For me, I'm just happy I understand part of something. I watch Korean and Japanese dramas understanding 20-50% of it, and mainly the hot girls are the only thing keeping my attention.

Woah... I guess this is one of our main differences. When I talk about comprehension, I guess I figured actually following the dialog fairly concisely. I play games very largely for dialog (especially), especially Tales games, which (though sometimes cheesy) tend to have very entertaining character interaction. I mean, learning enough of a language to be able to navigate menus for a beat-em-up is one thing, but following an epic RPG? Sorry, it's hard for me to grasp the concept. Tales' battle system is okay, I guess... but I'm not that crazy enough about it to play a game for it alone. If I was in to that, i would just play hack n' slash games, not RPGs.

I guess I really don't like battles very much, which is why I could never bring myself to learn a language for the soul sake of playing RPGs. it would take me years of study to begin to enjoy them.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Prime Mover on December 08, 2010, 07:46:06 PM
Oh yeah, I'd translate everything and keep notes in a binder next to me.
I would come to hate the game soooooooooooo bad.

Lol... reminds me of Xenosaga's plot archive. Even WITH that thing, I STILL took notes on it, and I STILL got way confused!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 08, 2010, 07:51:32 PM
Yeah, I agree the Tales have great character interaction and above-average stories. But I doubt we'll get this game in the U.S. And I'll probably end up playing this game more than once. I played Symphonia 90% of the way through on my first try, got stuck and couldn't leave the place, so I had to restart. After that, I beat the game three games. It wasn't for gameplay alone. If I had hated the story and characters so much, I would never never beaten it once. I never played Abyss a second time. I just have too big of a backlog. Legendia, once is enough. It's an above average game, but the end, while the story was nice, the battles were a pain in the ass with the huge difficulty spike. Vesperia, got rid of my 360 after I beat it. The other game I wanted really badly, SO4, was disappointing to me, so I had no reason to own the 360 anymore (and both games I got the 360 for ended up on the PS3 anyway.)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Prime Mover on December 08, 2010, 08:20:04 PM
I hear ya. And Vesparia was a big letdown. Even if I HAD a PS3, and even if Vesparia PS3 came overseas, I probably wouldn't get it. My biggest problems with that game aren't going to be fixed by what I've heard othey did with it (adding a character and more content). The game had enough characters and enough content to kill a horse. What sucked was the fact that all the cutscenes consisted of the characters blabbing about some cool thing happening off screen. It was like listening to a fraternaity jock describe, in great detail, a hot chick that he'd just boned.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 08, 2010, 08:25:45 PM
My main beef with Vesperia is the additions to the battle system. They didn't do any more damage than a regular arte would and you had to go through so much to be able to use them. Some of the bosses were fucking cheap, but I got over it. It was fun, but it was definitely the shortest Tales game for me (41 hours and I suck at video games.)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 08, 2010, 08:33:16 PM
Vesperia is still the latest jRPG I liked... I haven't found anything made after that I wholefully enjoyed (yeah I have SO4 picking up dust somewhere)
If they bring PS3 Vesperia, I'd buy it and sell my 360.
That's the main reason I'm hyped about AT3.  Finally a jRPG I can enjoy on my big TV.

(for the record, I don't have a PSP and don't want one. I'm not a handheld kind of guy)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 08, 2010, 08:52:45 PM
Vesperia is still the latest jRPG I liked... I haven't found anything made after that I wholefully enjoyed (yeah I have SO4 picking up dust somewhere)
If they bring PS3 Vesperia, I'd buy it and sell my 360.
That's the main reason I'm hyped about AT3.  Finally a jRPG I can enjoy on my big TV.

(for the record, I don't have a PSP and don't want one. I'm not a handheld kind of guy)

I'm sad the amount of hate SO4 gets.  THe battle system was near perfect and way better rounded than most JRPGs I played - more intuitive if anything.  The trophies made for some intricate challenge.  Sure,the story sucked donkey dick, but I'd kill for a battle system anywhere near as good and that, and that would feel so good to control.  I'm playing Golden Sun DD now..and I love it, but the battles are just me hitting 'A' most of the time... SO4 had me looking at several different factors every 10 seconds to find an advantage and avoid an attack.

And yeah, ToV had it's issues, but given the drought, it was still a fun game worth investing in.  THe story lacked (why is the final boss who it is again? lolz!), but made interesting characters and an interesting political plot at times.  Yuri was a goddamn vigilante and didn't win thanks to his "powers of friendship".  I liked the fluid and quick battles systems, the extra challenge (be it difficulty settings or the actually boss challenge) were welcomes along with the super-bosses and arena.  As said above, the "extra" attacks, F strikes and even the Mystic Artes were pretty useless and pretty much equivelant to some serious ass-kicking with normal combos.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 08, 2010, 08:56:17 PM
Sorry but SO4 has the most retarded characters I've ever seen.
I felt I was the captain of the USS Little Yellow Bus.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Prime Mover on December 08, 2010, 09:00:29 PM
My main beef with Vesperia is the additions to the battle system. They didn't do any more damage than a regular arte would and you had to go through so much to be able to use them. Some of the bosses were fucking cheap, but I got over it. It was fun, but it was definitely the shortest Tales game for me (41 hours and I suck at video games.)

Bingo. I'd take Abyss's battle system over Vesparia any day. The FOFs were treated as a nice semi-random bonus, the additions to Vesparia were supposed to be seriously used, yet there were so many random factors that went into using them that it was impossible to use them consistantly. On the flipside, however, bosses were passing them out like candy. I got pretty close to the end, but the difficulty level and frusteration was getting so intense that I just couldn't take it any more.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 08, 2010, 09:04:56 PM
How were there random factors to Vesperia's abilities?

If anything the FOFs were the ones that were useless considering the FOE fields disappeared quickly and you couldn't pull them off reliabiy.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 08, 2010, 09:05:11 PM
Sorry but SO4 has the most retarded characters I've ever seen.
I felt I was the captain of the USS Little Yellow Bus.

Goddamit!  I keep telling you all, fuck the story, go kill things!!!  It's awesomer!!!

Haha

TotA wasn't without its problems.  For one, the awesome FREE RUN was waaaay too fucken agile.  Season yourself enough with the game, you can solo many bosses by running circles around them (and many have against Nephilim!).  ToV made it a bit slower.  The field of fonons were a bitch to activate sometimes, and sometimes out of the way (not to mention, few skills actually took advatange of them) - but I digress, they were cool.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Prime Mover on December 08, 2010, 09:11:41 PM
TotA wasn't without its problems.  For one, the awesome FREE RUN was waaaay too fucken agile.  Season yourself enough with the game, you can solo many bosses by running circles around them (and many have against Nephilim!).  ToV made it a bit slower.  The field of fonons were a bitch to activate sometimes, and sometimes out of the way (not to mention, few skills actually took advatange of them) - but I digress, they were cool.

FOFs were BS, agreed. But they were completely ignorable, which made them a harmless enough addition. Vesparia's additions were vital to playing the game, yet half the time, they didn't even work!

Abyss rools
Vesparia drools
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 08, 2010, 09:12:16 PM
You still haven't said how they 'didn't work.' It seems you just have a poor understanding of the ability system and didn't actually put any thought into it before quitting.

You ignore simple holes in your argument and often argue in bad faith because of your ignorance. It's honestly getting kind of tiring.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 08, 2010, 09:19:43 PM
Honestly, I never got past the 6 hours mark in SO4. That little midget girl you get on early in the game was so fucking annoying. Even with the great battle system, I had to stop. I wanted to kill her every time she was on screen.

I never used the extra systems/features in TotA nor Tales of Vesperia. For me, the effort to get them to work outweighed their effectiveness. If they were, say, half the strength of a Hi-Ougi/Mystic Arte, I would use them, but I saw them as something I didn't need to rely on.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 08, 2010, 09:23:13 PM
I still don't get which abilities you're referring to. Are you talking about Burst Artes? Combined Artes? Arcane Artes? What?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 08, 2010, 09:30:09 PM
I still don't get which abilities you're referring to. Are you talking about Burst Artes? Combined Artes? Arcane Artes? What?

Who the fuck knows hahaha
I got sooo confused after tutorials and I just wanted to win. :P
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 08, 2010, 09:48:19 PM
Oh, sorry. It's been two years since I last touched it, so I forgot what the names were. Burst Artes and Fatal Strikes. Whenever I used them on bosses, they hardly did anymore damage to the bosses than normal artes, and I thought using the Overlimit gauge for Burst Artes was useless. As for fatal strikes, in regular battles, I only got them when the enemy hardly had any HP left, and for boss battles, it didn't do much more than a regular arte. So, in my view, because Burst Artes had more requirements to use and didn't do much more damage, I thought they sucked. Fatal Strikes, it's basically a free hit on a boss. I just didn't like those two additions.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 08, 2010, 09:49:48 PM
The evironmental hazards alone in Vesperia ruined it for me, so I didn't even have time to learn the intricacies before I quit. I think it might be the only Tales of Game I'll ever really dislike. I hope this new one doesn't bring the hazards back.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 08, 2010, 09:52:39 PM
Oh, sorry. It's been two years since I last touched it, so I forgot what the names were. Burst Artes and Fatal Strikes. Whenever I used them on bosses, they hardly did anymore damage to the bosses than normal artes, and I thought using the Overlimit gauge for Burst Artes was useless. As for fatal strikes, in regular battles, I only got them when the enemy hardly had any HP left, and for boss battles, it didn't do much more than a regular arte. So, in my view, because Burst Artes had more requirements to use and didn't do much more damage, I thought they sucked. Fatal Strikes, it's basically a free hit on a boss. I just didn't like those two additions.
Burst Artes and Fatal Strikes were somewhat superfluous, yes, but they weren't 'vital to playing the game,' as Prime Mover claims. You could get through without using them once. The core gameplay was still better than Abyss'.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on December 08, 2010, 10:22:06 PM
I'm pretty sure I made it through all of Vesperia without using Burst Artes.  I never really figured out how to use them (I was playing in Japanese, after all).  Fatal Strikes I used quite often.  They were essentially free hits if you were quick about it. Never felt essential, though.


The evironmental hazards alone in Vesperia ruined it for me, so I didn't even have time to learn the intricacies before I quit.

I have no idea what you're talking about...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 08, 2010, 10:29:44 PM
I'm pretty sure I made it through all of Vesperia without using Burst Artes.  I never really figured out how to use them (I was playing in Japanese, after all).  Fatal Strikes I used quite often.  They were essentially free hits if you were quick about it. Never felt essential, though.


The evironmental hazards alone in Vesperia ruined it for me, so I didn't even have time to learn the intricacies before I quit.

I have no idea what you're talking about...


I remember.  Yeah, burst artes felt barely any different to a good combo and I found them pointless unless (I think) you had to for a mystic arte.

The other one, fatal, was ok.  Sometimes it wouldn't be pulled off, and getting 1000 for Judith was a pain in the ass.

Mmmm, shining dragon swarm... Yuri is my hero.  And so is Rita.  Bitch was broken'!  I got through the extra dungeon on the highest difficullty by spamming tidal wave.

Btw, yay, new Tales announcement in a few days. =)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on December 08, 2010, 10:51:22 PM
Btw, yay, new Tales announcement in a few days. =)

Probably just more info on Xillia I imagine =\
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 08, 2010, 10:52:48 PM
Btw, yay, new Tales announcement in a few days. =)

Probably just more info on Xillia I imagine =\

I hope so - the concept art looks alright. =)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Danku on December 08, 2010, 11:12:10 PM
I really hate it when people who have no idea how Asian languages work tell people who actually know Asian languages that they're doing it wrong.

Morons.
I don't know how Asian languages work, but I like where you're going with this!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 09, 2010, 11:20:05 AM
The evironmental hazards alone in Vesperia ruined it for me, so I didn't even have time to learn the intricacies before I quit.

I have no idea what you're talking about...


*Encounter by a plant thing where now you get attacked at random by a plant when you're fighting other monsters.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 09, 2010, 11:26:45 AM
The evironmental hazards alone in Vesperia ruined it for me, so I didn't even have time to learn the intricacies before I quit.

I have no idea what you're talking about...


*Encounter by a plant thing where now you get attacked at random by a plant when you're fighting other monsters.

?????????????????????
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 09, 2010, 11:37:52 AM
The evironmental hazards alone in Vesperia ruined it for me, so I didn't even have time to learn the intricacies before I quit.

I have no idea what you're talking about...


*Encounter by a plant thing where now you get attacked at random by a plant when you're fighting other monsters.

?????????????????????

I dunno what to call it. I only played the demo and I recall getting attacked by some plant thing which drove me up the wall. Maybe it was only in the demo or on that one stage, who knows. I just know I lost all interest after that. Maybe I'll check out the demo again and see what it's called.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 09, 2010, 11:46:45 AM
The evironmental hazards alone in Vesperia ruined it for me, so I didn't even have time to learn the intricacies before I quit.

I have no idea what you're talking about...


*Encounter by a plant thing where now you get attacked at random by a plant when you're fighting other monsters.

?????????????????????

I dunno what to call it. I only played the demo and I recall getting attacked by some plant thing which drove me up the wall. Maybe it was only in the demo or on that one stage, who knows. I just know I lost all interest after that. Maybe I'll check out the demo again and see what it's called.

Yeah...the demo boss. I honestly have more trouble/deaths with him than most bosses in the game for some reason (excluding hard modes and boss missons).  DIfficult fucker, I hate him everytime.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 09, 2010, 12:04:45 PM
The evironmental hazards alone in Vesperia ruined it for me, so I didn't even have time to learn the intricacies before I quit.

I have no idea what you're talking about...


*Encounter by a plant thing where now you get attacked at random by a plant when you're fighting other monsters.

?????????????????????

I dunno what to call it. I only played the demo and I recall getting attacked by some plant thing which drove me up the wall. Maybe it was only in the demo or on that one stage, who knows. I just know I lost all interest after that. Maybe I'll check out the demo again and see what it's called.

Yeah...the demo boss. I honestly have more trouble/deaths with him than most bosses in the game for some reason (excluding hard modes and boss missons).  DIfficult fucker, I hate him everytime.

Yeah, and those BillyJeats don't help. Well, they do, but it's rare and hard to do. With that said, playing the demo again helped. I didn't get as frustrated with it this time around, so I might get the real deal somewhere down the line.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 09, 2010, 03:46:26 PM
I understand what he's talking about.

At the beginning, the beast boss that you need to stun hitting the flowers (or letting him charge in them)

That boss doesn't represent the game. He is the only boss with such gimmick and is pretty much the hardest boss in the game.
Now you made me remember the nightmare that fight was.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on December 09, 2010, 04:06:57 PM
OK, I know what you're talking about now.  Yeah, that's not exactly typical of the game and I don't think I would call it an 'environmental hazard'.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 09, 2010, 04:08:21 PM
I understand what he's talking about.

At the beginning, the beast boss that you need to stun hitting the flowers (or letting him charge in them)

That boss doesn't represent the game. He is the only boss with such gimmick and is pretty much the hardest boss in the game.
Now you made me remember the nightmare that fight was.

I will actually go so far to say that he IS the hardest main-game boss for sure.  Resources are pretty limited by the point of the game and he tags with his two pups.  I think I died like 3 times before I beat him and got the mission, something not even the final boss managed to do to me.  Interesting turn of events, especially within the first 5 game hours
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 09, 2010, 05:59:23 PM
OK, I know what you're talking about now.  Yeah, that's not exactly typical of the game and I don't think I would call it an 'environmental hazard'.


Well, I remembered it as a random encounter because it was so random.=P And to be fair, the last time played the demo was 2 years ago, and my memory is pretty poor. Still, sorry I made such a fuss over it.^_^;
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on December 09, 2010, 06:19:01 PM
I have a good feeling that the beast boss sold a lot of paid Level Up DLC.  All my real life friends who have played the game had trouble with the boss as well (myself included).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: supersonic on December 09, 2010, 06:46:20 PM
That was boss was pretty annoying, but Vesperia in general had pretty tough boss fights in the first part of the game. It got progressively easier later on.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 09, 2010, 06:56:25 PM
It's also got the most intense village song (where nothing is actually "wrong" inside of it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEMdI43krYw
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Prime Mover on December 09, 2010, 07:20:14 PM
It's also got the most intense village song (where nothing is actually "wrong" inside of it)

Yeah, that was pretty snazzy. Anyone else generally think that town music usually sucks? I sure do.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 09, 2010, 07:38:58 PM
Argh. Play-Asia was supposed to have more of ToGF in stock on the tenth, and now that's pushed back to the 29th (Asian version.) Kinda disappointed. >.> Oh well, more time for me to finish up the other games I'm playing before I start this.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 09, 2010, 07:52:51 PM
It's also got the most intense village song (where nothing is actually "wrong" inside of it)

Yeah, that was pretty snazzy. Anyone else generally think that town music usually sucks? I sure do.

Depends on the game.  And my mood, usually game music is nice since its lyric-less and easy listening.  When I'm doing an assignment late at night...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T910U8a1JEA

But, yeah, I can do without...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epU6norvU50
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 09, 2010, 07:55:46 PM
What about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAH9kP9X70

It's somewhat of a town at the top.

EDIT: man, almost forgot a real classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2evIg-aYw8
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 09, 2010, 08:28:06 PM
But, yeah, I can do without...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epU6norvU50

I actually like that tune a lot, personally. I can't think of any other good ones, though.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 09, 2010, 08:32:37 PM
What about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAH9kP9X70

It's somewhat of a town at the top.

EDIT: man, almost forgot a real classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2evIg-aYw8

They''re good, but both make me want to weep haha
I think they get their environment perfectly though and are amazing tunes nonetheless.. =)
.... I never thought Gagazet/Rono's as a village though.  And it takes me back to the Kimhari solo fight...God he's useless[er than others],
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Prime Mover on December 09, 2010, 09:22:09 PM
Yeah, those are event towns, as Dice was mentioning above. Any time there's a town on fire, or you're at a point in the game where everyone in the world knows that the world is going to end, then the town themes change from pastoral country tunes to epic tension or sorrow. By that point they're not so much underscoring the town itself, but the emotion evoked from that point in the plot, so calling them "town themes" isn't really fair.

I understand that town themes are supposed to be indicitive of simple, rural folk culture. But most of the time they're either A) Lazy English country music (as in the case with the early FF games), or new age native american / african drum tunes. Part of the problem is that most video game cultures are based on earth cultures, and typically the same ones come up again and again:

Native American for earthy spiritual folk. African for crazy tribal people. Indian/Middle Eastern for shrewd trade cultures. European for lazy, simple farmer folk. And of course, the obligatory pan-Asian village with Shinto shrines and the Taj Mahal.

Final Fantasy X went heavy on the Pacific Islander and Native American, which was a bit of a change, but an incredibly predictable one. I think a good composer could come up with interesting music which doesn’t immediately recall Earth-bound cultural exploits. I’m not suggesting that it’s even POSSIBLE to creating music without cultural influence. But just don’t make it so central and obvious.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 09, 2010, 11:46:38 PM
Argh. Play-Asia was supposed to have more of ToGF in stock on the tenth, and now that's pushed back to the 29th (Asian version.) Kinda disappointed. >.> Oh well, more time for me to finish up the other games I'm playing before I start this.
Asian versions are hard to come by because the first print wasn't enough to satisfy demand; it has to provide enough copies for people in Hong Kong, Taiwan, mainland China, possibly also South Korea and other countries in Asia that aren't keen on buying the overpriced JP ONRY version.

I haven't been able to come across a copy that wasn't really expensive, myself. The demand is crazy.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 10, 2010, 12:10:03 AM
I haven't been able to come across a copy that wasn't really expensive, myself. The demand is crazy.

I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai...I hate you Namdai!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 10, 2010, 05:39:18 AM
I ordered on Wednesday in case this would happen (hoping to beat the people that would have waited until the 10th to order the game.) On my shipping status, it does say it's going to ship on or before the 16th, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: hell_snake on December 13, 2010, 05:37:04 PM
So... 2 days left (http://www.bandainamcogames.co.jp/cs/list/nto/). Anyone here still excited?

Gotta be the longest countdown (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/08/02/next_tales_countdown/) in the history of video games. I have a feeling this one'll get localized.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 13, 2010, 05:58:01 PM
I'll be excited once there's something to be excited over. Seeing as Team Destiny did Graces, I'm assuming this is Team Symphonia's game. Vesperia was good, but based on videos I've seen, TD makes better battle systems.

--

Edit 12/14: 6 and a half hours to go. Well, I'll be taking a test then, so yeah. Hopefully there's a trailer or some info or something.

Leyviur: I believe you 100% now about Tales fans being douches.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: hell_snake on December 14, 2010, 02:10:59 PM
6 ½ hours? More like 18 ½ hours from now. Or am I missing something here?

Edit: Actually the clock is broken.

Site will update in about 11 ½ hours.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 14, 2010, 02:15:51 PM
Click the link again. It's due to be revealed at 5 pm EST on 12/14/7 AM JST on 12/15.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: hell_snake on December 14, 2010, 02:29:20 PM
Click the link again. It's due to be revealed at 5 pm EST on 12/14/7 AM JST on 12/15.
hahaha

The stupid clock is counting down to 5 pm depending on each individual's PC clock. It should be 5 pm Japan time, which is about 11 hours from now I think.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 14, 2010, 03:02:35 PM
Ah, if it's 5 pm Japan, yeah, then it's 12 hours from now. Like I'll be up at 3 am lol.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on December 14, 2010, 03:12:50 PM
I try to ignore these clocks because they never show anything more than the game name and maybe a setting/location image, but damn if this one isn't getting me hyped (even if I know I'll be disappointed by the lack of information).  It's probably because I just played Vesperia, which was very good.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 14, 2010, 04:32:04 PM
Cyril brings up a good point.  I'm praying with all this damn waiting we get at least a trailer (TRAILER, NOT BLOODY TEASER by this point, 100+ days for this would blow).

Furthermore, I hope Namdai announces a NA version as quick as they did Vesperia's....

I'm excited.  You should feel my nipples (sorry gross, I just watched the movie BASEketball, the announced made me laugh).  But I am psyched.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 14, 2010, 05:01:10 PM
So it got to Zero and then reset another 24 hours. Got all excited for nothing.=(

Click the link again. It's due to be revealed at 5 pm EST on 12/14/7 AM JST on 12/15.
hahaha

The stupid clock is counting down to 5 pm depending on each individual's PC clock. It should be 5 pm Japan time, which is about 11 hours from now I think.

Ah, that explains it. Man, that's....odd. I guess I'll wait until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 14, 2010, 10:09:58 PM
And we have a leak...
(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7903/talesofxillia.jpg)

TALES OF XILLIA!

Art done by both Fujishima and Inomata (hopefully Fuji can calm Ino's crazy colours, and Ino help Fuji with less geometric designs [?]).  Nevertheless, getting both artists is a neat way to take on a "15th anniversary" title.
Theme song: looks like Ayumi Hamasaki.
Set to release 2011.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 14, 2010, 10:26:44 PM
(That is Hamasaki.)

Awesome. Import day one for me. Hopefully a trailer gets released. Come on Namco Bandai...don't hold back.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 14, 2010, 10:30:09 PM
(That is Hamasaki.)

It was the eyes, wasn't  it?  HUUUGE. haha

Yeah, Banco-lethargic-mutha-fuckas better get off their asses finally.  We've been denied too many of this relatively mainstream RPG series.... =(
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 14, 2010, 10:35:21 PM
I still want Grace F more than that one =(
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 14, 2010, 10:37:16 PM
I still want Grace F more than that one =(

I'm willing to let it go if we get this.  Plus they say it's really easy (sans the final boss in f, and that's a major turn off for me), and the latter part of the game looked reallly weird.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 14, 2010, 10:37:46 PM
I listen to a lot of Jpop, so I knew it was her instantly (don't listen to her a lot though. I'm more of an Amuro Namie fan. Anyway...)

I like how they got both illustrators for this. Maybe both Team Symphonia and Team Destiny are working on the development (Symphonia for the story, Destiny for the battle system? :P) Getting too ahead of myself.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on December 14, 2010, 10:55:21 PM
I'm not the biggest fan of Inomata, so I'm glad Fuji is working on the art as well.  The designs seem rather uninspiried so far, but I don't play Tales of for their originality anyway.

I can't wait for more information to come out.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: macirex on December 14, 2010, 11:35:38 PM
I´m guessing it will never reach the states...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on December 15, 2010, 12:54:24 AM
At some point some Tales game has to reach the states, unless they've just given up on localizing the series entirely (and if that was the case I really wish they would just let a third party do it...).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Saviour on December 15, 2010, 01:47:54 AM
I refuse to get hyped for another Tales game. It's only followed by months of anticipation, denial then flat out disappointment.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: hell_snake on December 15, 2010, 03:03:54 AM
The official website opened: http://tox.namco-ch.net/

Let's see what we have here...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on December 15, 2010, 03:45:06 AM
Was that trailer super-choppy for anyone else?  Didn't seem to be a CPU-usage issue, either.  More like there wasn't enough bandwidth but they weren't buffering it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on December 15, 2010, 04:04:54 AM
The sound was choppy randomly for about 5-8 seconds total, but the movie was fine.

The trailer looks like, well, Tales.  The dark city was my favorite.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: hell_snake on December 15, 2010, 04:10:10 AM
Trailer [720p]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YJafikwTJU&hd=1

Game has two main characters:

(http://imgur.com/G6YM0.jpg)

Shuto Matis (voiced by Tsubasa Yonaga and designed by Fujishima)

(http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/9578/miras.jpg)

Mira Maxwell (voiced by Miyuki Sawashiro and designed by Inomata)

Music is done by Motoi Sakuraba as usual.

Info courtesy of Andriasang (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/12/15/xillia_first_look/).

Btw, nice hadouken:

(http://imgur.com/MKllA.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: macirex on December 15, 2010, 07:17:53 AM
The main characters seems awfully similar to those of Final Fantasy XIII Versus... and although I really want to like this game I don´t want to be disappointed if it does not come. I hate you for that Bamco
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Danku on December 15, 2010, 08:02:03 AM
Nice, we get to play a16 year old medical student and a 17 year old magician girl. I can't wait for the thrilling adventure this game is going to bring!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alan_01987 on December 15, 2010, 08:15:52 AM
The battle seems slow remind me of ToV's slow input/animation :<
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2010, 09:17:27 AM
I'll probably cry a bit if this doesn't come here - it would signify Damnco's clear and blatant abandonment of the series...  At least they have budget for pacman and the (unfortunate case of) Enslaved: OttW...and Naruto... fuckme.  Is their budget really that bad even despite the demand???
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 15, 2010, 10:13:26 AM
Was that trailer super-choppy for anyone else?  Didn't seem to be a CPU-usage issue, either.  More like there wasn't enough bandwidth but they weren't buffering it.

It was ultra bad for me, a few Frames per seconds, actually. Luckily that Youtube Trailer worked out fine.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: beach1 on December 15, 2010, 11:51:30 AM
I hope this comes out in the US as I am a big Hamasaki fan. :D
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on December 15, 2010, 12:02:13 PM
You might be able get the song on iTunes when it comes into existence. Her other stuff is on US iTunes, and game companies are starting to sell theme songs there slowly but surely. Who knows with Namdai though.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2010, 12:11:14 PM
Do we all really think it isn't coming...??? ;__;
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: beach1 on December 15, 2010, 12:13:47 PM
You might be able get the song on iTunes when it comes into existence. Her other stuff is on US iTunes, and game companies are starting to sell theme songs there slowly but surely. Who knows with Namdai though.

Yeah, plus I could just get the single/album when it comes out. I just think it would be cool to own a game that I want that has one of her songs as it's theme song. I loved hearing Depend On You for Thousand Arm's opening and seeing her pic and quotes in the instruction booklet. :)

Do we all really think it isn't coming...??? ;__;

Well, the way Bamco is, I guess no one is really sure what they'll do with this release. :(
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on December 15, 2010, 12:17:52 PM
You might be able get the song on iTunes when it comes into existence. Her other stuff is on US iTunes, and game companies are starting to sell theme songs there slowly but surely. Who knows with Namdai though.

Yeah, plus I could just get the single/album when it comes out. I just think it would be cool to own a game that I want that has one of her songs as it's theme song. I loved hearing Depend On You for Thousand Arm's opening and seeing her pic and quotes in the instruction booklet. :)

Haha - yeah I was just going to mention Thousand Arms. :) No doubt there'll be a single and it'll end up on her next album.

I used to listen to her..so long ago...

Do we all really think it isn't coming...??? ;__;
Namdai doesn't have such a hot Tales record as of late (as far as bringing stuff over).

I thought Graces F would have been a good one to bring here. Maybe they're holding out to give us Xillia instead...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: beach1 on December 15, 2010, 12:24:44 PM

Haha - yeah I was just going to mention Thousand Arms. :) No doubt there'll be a single and it'll end up on her next album.

I used to listen to her..so long ago...


Long ago? Why not anymore?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 15, 2010, 12:29:24 PM
Maybe her newer material isn't good? I don't listen to BoA's Japanese music as much anymore either.

--

Based on what I've read, it looks like Team Symphonia is doing the battle system and Team Destiny doing the story and stuff.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on December 15, 2010, 02:51:23 PM
I listened to her more in the middle of the decade. My Story, Secret and such when she had the occasional heavy track. I dunno, I've tried with her recent stuff but I get bored.

Had to admit she had epic PVs over the years. I can't imagine the $$$ sunk into some of them.

I never actually listened to BoA save a couple songs. I heard her English song last year, it was catchy? But I think it flopped anyway.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 15, 2010, 03:07:21 PM
I like BoA's Korean songs the most. The song she did for Tales of Graces last year was good, but her songs in the early 2000s was when she was in her prime.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2010, 03:11:25 PM
I like BoA's Korean songs the most. The song she did for Tales of Graces last year was good, but her songs in the early 2000s was when she was in her prime.

I loved Valenti a while back.  Her English is getting worse though, she tends to repeat lines.  A shame she didn't do better here, I think NA has more love (I don't mean this in a bad way, just observation) for black rappers than asian pop stars.  I can't even think of any Asian chart toppers here... =/
Utada, who's fluent and accent-less can barely catch a break (however, I'm not too crazy about the tunes released here compared to her jp ones).

I liked Ayumi Hamasaki - I should scout newer stuff, because she reall isn't that bad
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: CDFN on December 15, 2010, 03:14:41 PM
I downloaded the tales of graces f demo from the japanese psn and didn't like it, character design is atrocious imo and I didn't like the overall look of the game, xillia looks very interesting though, I hope they bring it to the west.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2010, 03:18:23 PM
I downloaded the tales of graces f demo from the japanese psn and didn't like it, character design is atrocious imo and I didn't like the overall look of the game, xillia looks very interesting though, I hope they bring it to the west.

I *HATE* Inomata.  From her flowery designs (for men and women) to really bizarre to just plain bad choices of colour.  I fucken hate Farah's design (green and orange farming attire...seexy...), Sophie's grey jumpsuit, and Reala looks like she just came to life from a fucken glass doll museum ...and died soon after.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yoda on December 15, 2010, 03:22:00 PM
I think NA has more love (I don't mean this in a bad way, just observation) for black rappers than asian pop stars.  I can't even think of any Asian chart toppers here... =/


LOL
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7476/helloexactlyle3rk8.gif)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 15, 2010, 03:30:01 PM
Like a G6 ring any bells? But yeah, Far East Movement makes the same exact music as everyone else. I bet most people don't even know they're Asian.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on December 15, 2010, 03:41:14 PM
^ Exactly.

Utada, while fantastic in her Japanese releases, released extremely mediocre material here that would never stand out on our airwaves. She views Japanese and American audiences differently, and yeah while they do generally have different tastes (she even said Japanese care more for good lyrics), her stuff here is still a letdown even with big name producers.

Hmmmm... I think Valenti was a song I had. And Rock With You. To be honest I never heard BoA's Korean stuff but I have heard she puts more effort there. I remember now that her JP stuff was too sugary for me (and so was some Ayu.... Also why I never got into Morning Musume.)

Fun fact: I used to confuse her with Boa, the British one who did the awesome Serial Experiments Lain theme.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2010, 03:48:11 PM
Like a G6 ring any bells? But yeah, Far East Movement makes the same exact music as everyone else. I bet most people don't even know they're Asian.

Name more for a cookie. =/

I'd love to hear her [BoA's] Kpop, I loved what I've heard in the genre (yes, even Gee, I was real late on the bandwagon though).

And I love Utada, a shame she has like 2 good tracks per english album though.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 15, 2010, 03:59:38 PM
I can PM both of you some of BoA's Kpop. I don't wanna flood this topic with Kpop, since Jpop is at least somewhat on topic here.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: beach1 on December 15, 2010, 04:40:53 PM
Like a G6 ring any bells? But yeah, Far East Movement makes the same exact music as everyone else. I bet most people don't even know they're Asian.

Name more for a cookie. =/


Bruno Mars too. :) Plus, maybe Charice and Nicole from the Pussycat Dolls?

I listened to her more in the middle of the decade. My Story, Secret and such when she had the occasional heavy track. I dunno, I've tried with her recent stuff but I get bored.

Have you listened to her earlier albums like Loveppears, Duty, and I Am? Those are her best albums imo. Plus her many remix albums like Ayutrance, Ayumixes, Acoustic Orchestra, etc. I'm soooo excited that she's coming out with a new Ayutrance next year!

I never got too much into most of BoA's stuff, but I've been liking some of her recent Japanese songs like Eien, Possibility, and her new one that's coming out soon.



Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: insertnamehere on December 15, 2010, 07:54:00 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2010/10/12/tales-of-xillia-or-tales-of-faithus-which-one-is-the-name-of-the-next-tales-game/
Xillia, Faithus, Xestia.
those names sound stupid
similar to "legendia"
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 15, 2010, 09:44:46 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2010/10/12/tales-of-xillia-or-tales-of-faithus-which-one-is-the-name-of-the-next-tales-game/
Xillia, Faithus, Xestia.
those names sound stupid
similar to "legendia"

Kind of an old article, but yea, they like their "-ia"'s. Remember Symphonia, Vesperia, and Phantasia?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 15, 2010, 10:38:42 PM
Don't go forgetting Eternia
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2010, 10:59:29 PM
Don't go forgetting Eternia

♥Hearts♥
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on December 15, 2010, 11:07:31 PM
Though they did totally surprise us with 'AbyssEa.'
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2010, 11:11:08 PM
Though they did totally surprise us with 'AbyssEa.'

And the word "the" in it.  Wowie!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 15, 2010, 11:12:19 PM
I *HATE* Inomata.  From her flowery designs (for men and women) to really bizarre to just plain bad choices of colour.  I fucken hate Farah's design (green and orange farming attire...seexy...), Sophie's grey jumpsuit, and Reala looks like she just came to life from a fucken glass doll museum ...and died soon after.
I don't like Inomata's designs much, but Farah was pretty damn hot under that country girl dress.

Sophie is just fucking absurd though.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on December 15, 2010, 11:35:41 PM
Whenever I see Sophie's design, I'm reminded of Fee from Atelier Iris 2.  Purple pigtails with bangs, white/grey clothes, the like.  I've actually seen better fanart of Sophie than official art.  That might just be my bias against Inomata speaking, though.

I like Fee's design a lot better. Pic related below, linked because it's rather large and I don't want to spam up the thread.
http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-06/art/ai2-fee.jpg

In all honestly I'm not too fond of the female heroine(?)'s design in this new game, but I know nothing about her so I'm giving her a pass for now.  I didn't like Judith's design either, but she ended up my favorite character.

Edit: I'd actually like to see some character designs by Inomata that people really liked.  Maybe it will change my opinion.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on December 16, 2010, 12:07:25 AM
Though they did totally surprise us with 'AbyssEa.'

And the word "the" in it.  Wowie!

SNEAKY BUGGERS.

Oh wait no, it was just Abyss. I was in FFXI expansion mode. Ack.

....so, no -ia or -ea at ALL. That Namdai, so tricky.

EDIT: And I don't care for Graces' designs at all either. Boring and slightly generic, if you ask me. The game itself looks decent otherwise, again I think ToGF could have done decently here,
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 16, 2010, 12:54:45 AM
The Sophie x Fee - I like Fee, she at least looked Graceful.  Something looked wrong with Sophies outfit.  I blame the grey, the white variations of her outfit are wonderful(er).

Judtih - the think that gets me about her here is she doesn't look like a 19 year old.  Her boobs are at least a 23-25 year old.  Most 19 year olds I know are young and ditzy.  She is more of a lady.  Then again, with most Tales heroes and otherwise...I usually slap on a few years to their age... 16 years old aren't that smart or responsible...or even look like half of them do in Japan-land.

Good Inomata Designs - the're few and far between.  I liked Tales of Innocence... they were probably the most tame bunch and looked appropraite to whatever.
But then you get...
http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/talesofrebirth/art-021.jpg (ew neck, let alone face)
http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/tod2/art-002.jpg (anemic, annorexic)
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/10459/718685-farah_large.jpg (green and orange c-c-c-combo)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 16, 2010, 01:15:03 AM
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090202140409/aselia/images/d/d8/Veigue6.jpg)
This is my favorite Inomata design. Too bad his personality, in true main character fashion, is a whiny douche.
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091002004357/aselia/images/thumb/f/ff/Eugene.jpg/215px-Eugene.jpg)
My party has PANTHER. A panther named EUGENE. Suck it.
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091002003531/aselia/images/thumb/a/a4/Tytree.jpg/200px-Tytree.jpg)
This guy's some hot blooded dude. Everytime he does a hi ougi he has to scream "HYUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH." What an asshole.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 16, 2010, 01:18:08 AM
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090202140409/aselia/images/d/d8/Veigue6.jpg)
This is my favorite Inomata design. Too bad the personality, in true main character fashion, is a whiny douche.

KUREEEAAA!!!!!

I'm not fond of Inomata's actual "style" either.  I liked Veigue's design, but I wonder how it'd look under someone else's style.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 16, 2010, 12:43:48 PM
I've always preferred Fujishima's designs.

Anyway, looks like there's a shitload of negative sentiment about Xillia not coming over.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 16, 2010, 12:57:11 PM
I've always preferred Fujishima's designs.

Anyway, looks like there's a shitload of negative sentiment about Xillia not coming over.

On day 2 of being revealed..... it's stupid and ridiculous.  I personally have faith since we haven't had a title in a white, and I think marketing a 15th Annyversary title would work for marketing.
But hey we'll see.  Worst case scenario, I'll watch a Let's Play or learn Japanese in a few months.... .... .....maybe not.

WHat's even SCARIER is the death threats, the "fuck you"s, and the begging for all three PS3 titles on Namco Bandai's Facebook page....

Guy Cecil "Namco, I would really like to play Tales of Graces F, Vesperia PS3, RM3, and Xillia in English. Localize them!" (yes, Guy Cecil is his FB name)

Katie Brandley "When Tales of the Abyss gets released on the 3DS, I hope it gets localized here. D: That would be the ONLY reason I'd buy that thing."

Kelston K. Jacobs "Good morning Namco! I see good things happening for Tales fans. Could it be that you're listening to us?? Well we'll never know for sure until you give an official announcement. So in the meantime I'll just be here saying: localize Tales of Vesperia PS3, Graces F, and Xillia pls?"

And unfortunately, I can't find any of the "FUCK YOU NAMCO" posts,.... I can guess why.

That place is literally LITTERED with all this shit.
And a lot of hopefuls actually THINK they'd localize ToV for PS3 and ToG ..... ToV was done over a year ago, the X360 2 years ago.  Get over it! haha

Some people are all excited with job posts too, they're looking for a localization manager at Banco.  
I'm actually confident if one of these titles will be released, someone is seriously going to jizz like a firehose in their pants.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 17, 2010, 06:10:04 AM
Song is relevant. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY)

Anyway, just checked Play Asia and they just shipped my copy of Graces F. ^^ I was thinking I would have to wait until January, but this is way better.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 17, 2010, 08:31:39 AM
Would they seriously not make money by bringing those here?
I know people keep saying Tales sales are abysmal, but given the jRPG state of the PS3... what else is there to play on it. It's like a black hole of cellshaded lighthearted jRPG. (minus the atelier serie)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 17, 2010, 09:31:54 AM
Would they seriously not make money by bringing those here?
I know people keep saying Tales sales are abysmal, but given the jRPG state of the PS3... what else is there to play on it. It's like a black hole of cellshaded lighthearted jRPG. (minus the atelier serie)

I personally think the demand would be greater given the current next-gen jRPG situation.... it's a bloody drought.

And I'm happy for you dalucifer0, and sad for your pants.  Get them washed.  Tell us your progress/how it is and all that. =(
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 17, 2010, 11:05:57 AM
I'm going to have to learn a lot of vocabulary quickly before I play it. It'll probably take two weeks for the game to get here, so that should give me plenty of time to be able to roughly understand what's going on.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 17, 2010, 11:18:27 AM
I just got it on Monday myself. It's pretty fun, but nothing really mind blowing. Some characters are real assholes, and I can't bring myself to like the whole anime jokes anymore - some people are really into that shit, and I don't get how they can even watch it without getting embarrassed. It's like, a step above toilet humor and penis jokes.

Anyway, Sony never pays for exclusives; it's why Symphonia and Vesperia PS2/3 never came here, Nintendo/MS shelled out, Sony did not. Eternal Sonata was just a fluke in that regard.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 17, 2010, 11:28:57 AM
I still laugh at toilet humor and penis jokes but got tired of anime jokes a couple of years ago. (I watch a lot of American Dad, if that explain anything.)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 22, 2010, 01:00:20 AM
I just went to the Namco forums out of curiosity.

(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1267/92007190.jpg)

So ONE of the topics about Grace has 900+ pages with 14,000+ replies and nearly ONE MILLION views. Yeah, I'm sure Namco's right, nobody would buy that shit *sarcasm*
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: hell_snake on December 22, 2010, 01:54:52 AM
ONE MILLION VIEWS!!

That's kinda extreme.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 22, 2010, 02:11:15 AM
I just went to the Namco forums out of curiosity.

(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1267/92007190.jpg)

So ONE of the topics about Grace has 900+ pages with 14,000+ replies and nearly ONE MILLION views. Yeah, I'm sure Namco's right, nobody would buy that shit *sarcasm*
To be fair, that's somewhat misleading since a good deal of those hits are from people jamming refresh over and over, and many of the replies are from the same people.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: insertnamehere on December 22, 2010, 04:53:15 AM
maybe old new or not, idk
http://www.advancedanime.com/forum.php?t=39234
NBGI needs to watch saturday morning cartoons and learn not to be pretentious in terms trying to please westerners, and just be Japanese.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 22, 2010, 05:14:27 AM
Quote
News via - Sankaku Complex

Hm... anyway, at this point if anyone want to keep playing "Tales of" games they just have to import the bastard. I can see the Tales of Xillia being localized though, it has the potential for getting some decent sales but who knows really.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 22, 2010, 07:06:35 AM
It's the same ten people flaming each other on the Tales forums. Go to Gamefaqs and pick any Tales board and it's the same ten people telling you to shut up about importing because bitching and boycotting is more effective.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 30, 2010, 01:58:28 PM
My copy of Graces F (finally) got here. I'll probably play a couple hours to see how it is (my Japanese sucks at the moment.)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 19, 2011, 03:04:10 AM
http://gallery.abyssalchronicles.com/displayimage.php?album=504&pos=16

New party member Leia revealed.  She has shorter, and less hair than the follicular-ly blessed Milla.
She looks nice though!  I like the yellows and warmer shades.

I want this game too... it looks pretty.  And I wanna Tales-style kill things amidst retarded skits. =(
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 19, 2011, 03:23:34 AM
http://gallery.abyssalchronicles.com/displayimage.php?album=504&pos=16

New party member Leia revealed.  She has shorter, and less hair than the follicular-ly blessed Milla.

She kinda looks like Rorona from Atelier.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ULTROS! on February 19, 2011, 03:30:49 AM
She looks like a pseudo-loli.

Though I kinda like her design.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on February 19, 2011, 03:35:18 AM
She looks like a pseudo-loli.

Jailbait you mean?

:p
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on February 19, 2011, 04:43:27 AM
Andriasang (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/02/19/tales_of_xillia_leia/) has in-game screenshots, which honestly I think look a lot better than her 2D design.

Milla still looks like a streetwalker, though.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 07, 2011, 01:00:57 AM
For Europeans who missed the initial release, it's apparently on the Xbox marketplace... odd announcement.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: CDFN on May 28, 2011, 08:03:44 AM
Japan is getting a very nice Tales of Xillia PS3:

(http://www.4gamer.net/games/117/G011720/20110528003/TN/002.jpg)

(http://www.abload.de/img/004ju5s.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on May 28, 2011, 09:04:36 AM
Dear God, that looks awesome.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bytor on May 28, 2011, 09:47:45 AM
yeah, that is a helluva lot better looking than my black one!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ShadowLaguna on May 28, 2011, 09:57:45 AM
Holy crap! Best PS3 I've ever seen!? I think so! Simply beautiful!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Chronix112 on May 28, 2011, 10:45:04 AM
That is really nice looking.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on May 28, 2011, 11:21:48 AM
That is pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on May 28, 2011, 01:33:39 PM
Holy crap! Best PS3 I've ever seen!? I think so! Simply beautiful!

I'm generally not a big fan of the looks of these kinds of things in general, but that one looks great.

I think I may import Xillia.  If nothing changes below, it's going to come out in Japan before Graces F comes to the US, so might as well.  Will give me a chance to brush up my vocabulary.

Also, i think it received an official Japanese release date of September 8th - "本日(5月28日)開催された「テイルズ オブ フェスティバル 2011」において,シリーズ15周年を記念したPS3向け最新作「テイルズ オブ エクシリア」の発売日が,2011年9月8日に決定したと発表された。価格は8379円(税込)となる"
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on May 28, 2011, 01:51:15 PM
It did.

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2011/1640.html
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 28, 2011, 02:13:06 PM
Amazing PS3.  Nice decal, and I totally wish we got that kinda stuff... =( 
C'est la vie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlz5S4H19ww&feature=feedu
Video featuring ...a snippit of gameplay and, fortunately, battle.  Cute "cosplay" choice for Milla.  I'm surprised they went with such a direction to reveal previous cameo costumes and songs instead of what will be original though.  Looks good though.  Tales games have a good formula working for them as RPGs.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on May 28, 2011, 02:26:00 PM
That's the same video as in the story, Dice.

The costumes are alright. I prefer their regular ones.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: insertnamehere on May 28, 2011, 02:50:08 PM
Holy fucking fuck fuck, we need this game.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 28, 2011, 02:56:23 PM
That's the same video as in the story, Dice.

The costumes are alright. I prefer their regular ones.

Haha sorry.  I saw that after.  I usually do check the front page, but sometimes when I'm excited and find something, I kinda skip it. x)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on May 28, 2011, 04:39:13 PM
*is furiously fapping*

I'll probably like Grace's battle system better, but this game looks awesome. I'll be importing.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on May 28, 2011, 04:49:14 PM
*is furiously fapping*

Don't react... Don't react... It's what he wants.

ANYWAYS I'm sad that this and Tales of Graces F are PS3 exclusives. I don't have one. They look really awesome. Like, beyond awesome. If I do get a PS3, that skin would look... very good on it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 28, 2011, 05:16:25 PM
*is furiously fapping*

Don't react... Don't react... It's what he wants.

ANYWAYS I'm sad that this and Tales of Graces F are PS3 exclusives. I don't have one. They look really awesome. Like, beyond awesome. If I do get a PS3, that skin would look... very good on it.

Between when we can possibly see these games in the Americas from now, I think that leaves you plenty of time to save money for a PS3 and then some, no? =/
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on May 28, 2011, 06:02:22 PM
*is furiously fapping*

Don't react... Don't react... It's what he wants.

ANYWAYS I'm sad that this and Tales of Graces F are PS3 exclusives. I don't have one. They look really awesome. Like, beyond awesome. If I do get a PS3, that skin would look... very good on it.

Between when we can possibly see these games in the Americas from now, I think that leaves you plenty of time to save money for a PS3 and then some, no? =/

That money's going to a new PC. I could always just wait until the PS4 comes out, buy a PS3 for real cheap, then get the games that I've missed out on. Then I can actually play Tales of Playstation(s) games and be able to hold conversations in these threads! OH JOYOUS DAY
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ShadowLaguna on May 29, 2011, 01:22:03 AM
*is furiously fapping*

Don't react... Don't react... It's what he wants.

ANYWAYS I'm sad that this and Tales of Graces F are PS3 exclusives. I don't have one. They look really awesome. Like, beyond awesome. If I do get a PS3, that skin would look... very good on it.

Import this limited PS3 then, so we can all be jelly.

That money's going to a new PC. I could always just wait until the PS4 comes out, buy a PS3 for real cheap, then get the games that I've missed out on. Then I can actually play Tales of Playstation(s) games and be able to hold conversations in these threads! OH JOYOUS DAY

Oh, never mind. :C
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on May 29, 2011, 01:23:36 AM
It's extremely saddening, I know. I don't mind waiting until mid-next-generation to get a PS3 though. So long as it's cheap like the PS2 is now.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: hell_snake on May 29, 2011, 03:05:32 AM
It's extremely saddening, I know. I don't mind waiting until mid-next-generation to get a PS3 though. So long as it's cheap like the PS2 is now.

Why not save up and buy a PS4? It'll most likely be backwards compatible.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on May 29, 2011, 03:06:37 AM
It's extremely saddening, I know. I don't mind waiting until mid-next-generation to get a PS3 though. So long as it's cheap like the PS2 is now.

Why not save up and buy a PS4? It'll most likely be backwards compatible.

That's not too bad of an idea. We'll see what the next generation holds in store for me.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: CDFN on May 29, 2011, 05:05:50 AM
It's extremely saddening, I know. I don't mind waiting until mid-next-generation to get a PS3 though. So long as it's cheap like the PS2 is now.

It'll most likely be backwards compatible.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: insertnamehere on May 29, 2011, 07:36:50 AM
It's extremely saddening, I know. I don't mind waiting until mid-next-generation to get a PS3 though. So long as it's cheap like the PS2 is now.

It'll most likely be backwards compatible.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions...

Not most likely but a big big maybe.
I'm waiting on Nintendo to announce backwards compatibility on that new console instead of getting a wii.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on May 29, 2011, 12:45:14 PM
*is furiously fapping*

I'll probably like Grace's battle system better, but this game looks awesome. I'll be importing.

When I saw the price, I kind of changed my mind on that idea.  Are all Japanese tales games that expensive at release?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on May 29, 2011, 01:56:44 PM
When I saw the price, I kind of changed my mind on that idea.  Are all Japanese tales games that expensive at release?

Yes.  Actually, you can remove the 'tales' part of that question...I've paid around $90 for a regular edition PSP game before.

Part of it is that the exchange rate isn't very favorable right now, but beyond that games are just more expensive in Japan.  Games in the US are cheaper than just about anywhere else, really.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: CDFN on May 29, 2011, 02:09:09 PM
When I saw the price, I kind of changed my mind on that idea.  Are all Japanese tales games that expensive at release?

Yes.  Actually, you can remove the 'tales' part of that question...I've paid around $90 for a regular edition PSP game before.

Part of it is that the exchange rate isn't very favorable right now, but beyond that games are just more expensive in Japan.  Games in the US are cheaper than just about anywhere else, really.

They're cheaper in the UK.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on May 29, 2011, 11:08:50 PM
That's why you have to buy the Asian version (if one is available.) But yeah, for a long time, the conversion has been 80 yen/$1, so importing is expensive with a weak dollar.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on May 30, 2011, 01:00:17 AM
Two new trailers up on andriasang (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/30/tales_trailer/).  Looks nice.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 30, 2011, 02:09:17 AM
Two new trailers up on andriasang (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/30/tales_trailer/).  Looks nice.

And yet I can still hear people say "where Vesperia PS3?".  But by golly, I'm impressed.  Looks pretty and the battle system looks as sweet as Tales' usually deliver.  I'm really on the fence with the anime cut-ins though... they kinda look crappy (Milla especailly) and the song does nothing for me.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on May 30, 2011, 02:49:23 AM
Dice, you should know by now that Tales fans are pretty much never happy. :-P

I'm not even a Tales fan and I like how Xillia looks.... I'm still hoping Graces F and Abyss do well so this comes over.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: hell_snake on May 30, 2011, 07:01:41 AM
Two new trailers up on andriasang (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/30/tales_trailer/).  Looks nice.

Game looks great, except for 2 things... Milla's hair, and to a less irritating degree, her outfit. And she doesn't look 20 at all.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on May 30, 2011, 07:27:17 AM
This shit looks amazing. Millia's hair is awful, but I'll be able to put up with it.

Man...three more months. The wait is gonna kill me.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on May 30, 2011, 05:01:25 PM
This shit looks amazing. Millia's hair is awful, but I'll be able to put up with it.

Chances are there's an in-game costume or DLC costume that will change it so there's always that.

That's why you have to buy the Asian version (if one is available.) But yeah, for a long time, the conversion has been 80 yen/$1, so importing is expensive with a weak dollar.

...and that's definitely what I'm going to do, too.  I don't import that often so I completely forgot about the asian versions.  I can deal with $65+whatever the huge shipping charges are.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on May 30, 2011, 05:10:38 PM
I only paid like $66 for Tales of Graces F. Just choose the cheapest shipping option and it's not much. You have to wait 1-3 weeks (I usually get games 2 weeks after i order), but it's better than paying another $20 for next day delivery from Hong Kong.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 30, 2011, 09:42:57 PM
Who is composing the music for Tales of Xillia?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on May 30, 2011, 11:16:27 PM
Motoi Sakuraba.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: lavarock on May 30, 2011, 11:28:42 PM
Excited about this after seeing the trailers.  The gameplay looks reaaaaly sweet, also seems like they are putting an emphasis on air combos which I like.  The environment in town is nice, but out on a dungeon it doesn't stand out that much.   The game somehow looks a bit like FFXII (although prettier to be sure) when they are moving the characters around in areas of the game.

Tales fans should really buy ToGF for this to be localized.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on June 03, 2011, 06:27:31 PM
When I saw the price, I kind of changed my mind on that idea.  Are all Japanese tales games that expensive at release?

Yes.  Actually, you can remove the 'tales' part of that question...I've paid around $90 for a regular edition PSP game before.

Part of it is that the exchange rate isn't very favorable right now, but beyond that games are just more expensive in Japan.  Games in the US are cheaper than just about anywhere else, really.

They're cheaper in the UK.

I saw this article (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/117/1172454p1.html) on IGN and it seemed relevant to the discussion.  Sucks to be Australia...

Of course, that comparison had a strong western game bias.  Game prices in Japan are less standardized than they are here and they seem to charge more for their own games.  At least for well-known titles, anyway.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on June 03, 2011, 07:49:50 PM
I like how it's all USA (not surprising) save for Canada on Portal 2. Which is probably when our dollar was the highest ever ($1.06 US or something).

Japanese prices are generally pretty high. Even PSP games are $70-75 US for regular editions. And they don't have to be Japanese made-games either - those are expensive too, but I've seen Black Ops go for almost $100 there. From what I've seen, everything in Japan (at least of what we cover) is pretty well up there, even less 'big' titles.

That's why I don't bitch about our $60 games. Except for when Amazon.ca asks $70 CAD for Mass Effect 2 PS3. Not even GameStop here had the balls to do that. :P
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: insertnamehere on June 03, 2011, 11:49:33 PM
I saw this article (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/117/1172454p1.html) on IGN and it seemed relevant to the discussion.

I thought it was a little amusing that Australia is "always" most expensive, even though technically not for those last two and probably not just those.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on August 30, 2011, 09:58:32 PM
39/40 from Famitsu (for what it's worth...their scores seem pretty wonky sometimes).  Damn this game looks sweet.  I'm really starting to think about importing, because even if we do get it with Graces f not hitting until 2012 who knows when we'll actually see this.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on August 30, 2011, 10:30:40 PM
39/40 from Famitsu (for what it's worth...their scores seem pretty wonky sometimes).  Damn this game looks sweet.  I'm really starting to think about importing, because even if we do get it with Graces f not hitting until 2012 who knows when we'll actually see this.


They said it is also the most pre ordered Tales game ever (in Japan).  Pretty happy with the scores too.  I think between the scores and the preorders, it's a pretty sure thing that we'll get Xillia eventually.

Keyword, eventually.  Like you said, Graces F isn't hitting till early Spring 2012.  Where does that put Xillia?  I would be stunned if it got released before September 2012.

Hence, I preordered it long ago.  Can't wait.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: CDFN on August 31, 2011, 05:51:39 AM
I wish I knew japanese, would import in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 31, 2011, 10:37:31 PM
With any luck it will get a US release (15th anni title would be smart... and I think the Tales Fantards will ensure they cause hell for Banco).  I pre-ordered it.  I couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on August 31, 2011, 10:52:06 PM
Don't get me wrong, I think an eventual US release is likely.  Just not timely.

On the other hand it's not like I have a shortage of games to play while I wait...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 31, 2011, 11:03:25 PM
Don't get me wrong, I think an eventual US release is likely.  Just not timely.

On the other hand it's not like I have a shortage of games to play while I wait...


This autumn is going to make me broke as a joke.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yoda on August 31, 2011, 11:10:58 PM
So which tails game are we getting for sure and when?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on August 31, 2011, 11:50:09 PM
Tales of Graces F, sometime in early 2012, and Tales of the Abyss 3DS, later this year.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on September 01, 2011, 12:29:19 AM
I was gonna import Xillia but I have to spend so much on school this semester. :( Oh well, it won't be here in the US until 2013 at the earliest so I still have plenty of time to buy it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: CDFN on September 10, 2011, 08:41:55 PM
Game sold 274k on the first day, not too shabby.
The game shipped 500k on the first day and another 100k on the second, they'll probably sell most of it by the end of the week. I'm curious to see how it affected PS3 sales.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on September 12, 2011, 12:49:19 PM
I have a copy of this game in my hands right now.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on September 12, 2011, 02:15:26 PM
Game sold 274k on the first day, not too shabby.
The game shipped 500k on the first day and another 100k on the second, they'll probably sell most of it by the end of the week. I'm curious to see how it affected PS3 sales.

Yeah, seeing those numbers, I kinda understood why Bamco says US sales are crap. I don't think we'll ever equal those numbers.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on September 12, 2011, 03:49:50 PM
I have a copy of this game in my hands right now.

I got it Friday, it's a fun game.  I'm enjoying it a lot.  The loading times, so far, have been really fast thanks to the disk install.  I'm diggin the battle system more than Graces F so far.  There is MP again and spells can be charged to do more damage for a longer cast time.  Haven't played around with Jude's healing spell, but it's different than previous games.  It's either self only or it's an aura-range based.  Perhaps I will look to see what it says when I turn it on next =P

I'm diggin' the free dynamic PS3 theme.  I wish the icons stood out more, but a small nitpick.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: CDFN on September 14, 2011, 11:22:41 AM
It sold 525k in the first week... How do you say holy shit in japanese?

Edit: in case anyone was wondering, the game pushed PS3 sales to 64.786 up from 33.831 on the previous week.

So all in all this was a pretty big deal, they are probably wishing they had released a new Tales on the PS3 sooner.

This graph is pretty awesome and really shows that the PS3 should've been their priority for this franchise:

(http://www.gamescharts.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/graph36gaf.png)

- Highest first week for a Tales game ever.
- ToV and ToG sold more on PS3 than on the 360 and wii despite the delay.
- ToX first week sales are almost as high as total sales for the previous games on both systems.

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Champlooz on October 13, 2011, 04:45:58 PM
Sorry if this has been discussed already, didnt want to read through all the pages: Will Graces F and/or Xillia come to the US/EU? If so, when?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on October 13, 2011, 07:50:13 PM
Graces F was announced a long time ago for next year. NA/EU. Xillia, nothing yet.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Prime Mover on October 13, 2011, 08:49:12 PM
Why is Symphonia suspiciously missing from the graph, wasn't it the best selling Tales game of all time?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Der Jermeister on October 14, 2011, 10:06:55 AM
Graces F was announced a long time ago for next year. NA/EU. Xillia, nothing yet.

Namco-Bandai, or Bandai-Namco or whatever the hell they're called in Europe actually showed off the game at an anime convention there I think, so I think there is a slim chance we could see that one, even if it's just in Europe (and the PS3 isn't region-coded, so...).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on October 14, 2011, 11:38:56 AM
Xillia will be released here.  I have no basis for this statement other than the fact that Xillia is both the highest rated and fastest selling Tales game ever.  It's not some obscure entry in the franchise.  Unless Namco Bandai wants to abandon the series in the west entirely they're going to localize Xillia.

That said, Graces f still isn't even out yet so they're not going to want to start hyping Xillia already.  I seriously doubt there will be any kind of official announcement until after Graces f is released.

But I will bet $100 that there will be a Xillia localization announcement before the end of 2012.  I'm dead serious about that if anyone wants to take me up on it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on October 14, 2011, 11:42:58 AM
Xillia will be released here.  I have no basis for this statement other than the fact that Xillia is both the highest rated and fastest selling Tales game ever.  It's not some obscure entry in the franchise.  Unless Namco Bandai wants to abandon the series in the west entirely they're going to localize Xillia.

That said, Graces f still isn't even out yet so they're not going to want to start hyping Xillia already.  I seriously doubt there will be any kind of official announcement until after Graces f is released.

But I will bet $100 that there will be a Xillia localization announcement before the end of 2012.  I'm dead serious about that if anyone wants to take me up on it.

Youre beautiful Kevadu.  I hate the fuckers  who are like "WE'LL NEVER GET IT HERE...LULZ"
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on October 14, 2011, 11:48:06 AM
Even though it sold really well over Japan, Bandai Namco is so surely still thinking we Americans aren't hardcore enough to buy lots of copies.

That or the game is way too Japanese for our limit to stand Japanese games they believe we have.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Der Jermeister on October 14, 2011, 12:30:06 PM
It'd really help Tales in the West if Namco-Bandai actually advertised them instead of being quiet about their releases. I don't think there's ever been an American TV spot for a Tales game, unless I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on October 14, 2011, 01:11:11 PM
I can't remember the last "anime game" that got an Ad in NA.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on October 14, 2011, 03:27:10 PM
FilthieRich, Banco PR guy, just posted a special prize to his Facebook and Twitter people.  The details aren't important, but the prizes are:

- ToV signed copy
- Some ToX keychain (they're showing Rowen).

It'd be *kinda* cruel to make a prize of a game that wouldn't be released.  So yay?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on October 14, 2011, 03:57:18 PM
FilthieRich, Banco PR guy, just posted a special prize to his Facebook and Twitter people.  The details aren't important, but the prizes are:

- ToV signed copy
- Some ToX keychain (they're showing Rowen).

It'd be *kinda* cruel to make a prize of a game that wouldn't be released.  So yay?
The first thing that came into my mind after seeing those prizes was "troll maneuver".
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on October 14, 2011, 03:59:16 PM
FilthieRich, Banco PR guy, just posted a special prize to his Facebook and Twitter people.  The details aren't important, but the prizes are:

- ToV signed copy
- Some ToX keychain (they're showing Rowen).

It'd be *kinda* cruel to make a prize of a game that wouldn't be released.  So yay?
The first thing that came into my mind after seeing those prizes was "troll maneuver".

Potentially.  I'd like to think better of it though.  That'd be a dick move otherwise haha
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Der Jermeister on October 14, 2011, 04:46:48 PM
I can't remember the last "anime game" that got an Ad in NA.

Well, the Dragon Quest games are sort of anime-influenced, and IX got some TV ads, with Seth Green, no less.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on October 14, 2011, 05:14:43 PM
Xillia will be released here.  I have no basis for this statement other than the fact that Xillia is both the highest rated and fastest selling Tales game ever.  It's not some obscure entry in the franchise.  Unless Namco Bandai wants to abandon the series in the west entirely they're going to localize Xillia.

That said, Graces f still isn't even out yet so they're not going to want to start hyping Xillia already.  I seriously doubt there will be any kind of official announcement until after Graces f is released.

But I will bet $100 that there will be a Xillia localization announcement before the end of 2012.  I'm dead serious about that if anyone wants to take me up on it.

100% agree with everything you said.  That's the reason I imported Xillia.  I am positive we won't see Xillia till, Nov/Dec 2012 at the earliest.  I hope they don't trample on Graces F's release either.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on October 14, 2011, 05:17:31 PM
- Some ToX keychain (they're showing Rowen).

It'd be *kinda* cruel to make a prize of a game that wouldn't be released.  So yay?

Not to say it wouldn't be cruel, but they DID release the keychains with the Japanese and Asian release (I got a Millia one with my copy).  It could just be leftovers. Cruel, cruel leftovers.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bytor on October 25, 2011, 09:46:09 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/10/25/namco-bandai-wants-to-bring-tales-titles-beyond-graces-and-abyss-to-the-states/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/10/25/namco-bandai-wants-to-bring-tales-titles-beyond-graces-and-abyss-to-the-states/)


So...this could be good news...right?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on October 25, 2011, 10:20:39 PM
Honestly, I DO wonder if the approach with Xillia of merging the teams was done with the intent of making fewer, but more solidly built games so they can localize a higher percentage. I'll be VERY surprised if that doesn't come here, it'd probably require both Abyss 3D and Grace F tanking catastrophically.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on October 25, 2011, 11:08:23 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/10/25/namco-bandai-wants-to-bring-tales-titles-beyond-graces-and-abyss-to-the-states/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/10/25/namco-bandai-wants-to-bring-tales-titles-beyond-graces-and-abyss-to-the-states/)


So...this could be good news...right?
Yes, but I think it's still good for them to try to do the unthinkable: do an effort to somehow localize all the games they skipped on us.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on October 26, 2011, 12:55:09 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/10/25/namco-bandai-wants-to-bring-tales-titles-beyond-graces-and-abyss-to-the-states/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/10/25/namco-bandai-wants-to-bring-tales-titles-beyond-graces-and-abyss-to-the-states/)


So...this could be good news...right?
Yes, but I think it's still good for them to try to do the unthinkable: do an effort to somehow localize all the games they skipped on us.

The only one of those I think we *really* missed out on (y'know, like shed a tear for) is the Tales of Destiny remake.  Rebirth got mixed responses, no one really liked ToD2 (with Stahn's son) outside of it being in the realm of "Tales of", the spin-offs are spin-offs, Innocence wasn't too hot either (I'm actually happy it's getting the "R" remake; there is still a lot of potential for them to screw up the Vita one too, actually).  Hearts was cool, leaving the story aside.... like most Tales games.... and that god-awful real-people version being paired with an anime artist who is too flamboyant for it.

Yes this is good news because Tales fans are freaking stupid sometimes; maybe they'll finally shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on October 26, 2011, 02:19:29 AM
Rebirth seemed to be really well liked for its battle system, but it sounds like Graces trounces that. Still would've been nice for the prior Team Destiny games just for the great PS2 2D, plus gameplay's the biggest reason to play the series anyway.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kurai on October 26, 2011, 01:05:07 PM
Graces F probably have the better battle system of the series, as for the story, if you played FFXIII and liked it, its not worse. i would still put it above a lot of Jrpgs this gen.

Xillia will be released here, but i think that only after the high probably "full/director's cut/special/whatever" version  ^^
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on October 27, 2011, 01:20:26 PM
Just got my copy of Xillia in the mail.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on October 27, 2011, 01:59:08 PM
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on October 27, 2011, 06:14:23 PM
Enjoy.

He will.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on October 28, 2011, 12:32:41 AM
Enjoy.

He will.
Oh, and by the way, I think they removed stun-locking enemies with multiple hits, and that going into Over Limit is as silent as ever, meaning it doesn't make a sound.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on October 28, 2011, 12:54:27 AM
Yes this is good news because Tales fans are freaking stupid sometimes; maybe they'll finally shut the fuck up.

I don't know, I'm finding them literally impossible at times. Like when Abyss got a Feb. date for us, a friend of mine was screaming her head off because it's not coming in November like it is for Europe.

I told her to be happy it and Graces F are coming at all... I'd hate to see what they can nitpick about a Xillia localization. Ugh.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on October 28, 2011, 01:16:04 AM
That's why I'm glad I can understand Japanese to some extent. I don't have to worry about games not coming over anymore. Or if they have a release date, not having to wait 6-12 months for the English release.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on October 28, 2011, 05:10:20 PM
Enjoy.

He will.
Oh, and by the way, I think they removed stun-locking enemies with multiple hits, and that going into Over Limit is as silent as ever, meaning it doesn't make a sound.

In Xillia?  20+ hours in and the game is still easy as pie on regular difficulty.  Not sure if that will matter at the end of the game or on higher difficulties.  As of now, not real necessary.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on October 28, 2011, 07:28:27 PM
Yes this is good news because Tales fans are freaking stupid sometimes; maybe they'll finally shut the fuck up.

I don't know, I'm finding them literally impossible at times. Like when Abyss got a Feb. date for us, a friend of mine was screaming her head off because it's not coming in November like it is for Europe.

I told her to be happy it and Graces F are coming at all... I'd hate to see what they can nitpick about a Xillia localization. Ugh.

I dunno, I'd have to have seen/heard that in it's appropriate context but there is the angle that the 3DS still needs more worthwhile games, and either way 3 extra months is a bit long for something that's fully translated already and even ready to release (though it was worse waiting 9 months on DQIV despite being translated in advance of its Japanese release.) Still, it's not like Abyss is actually a whole new game, and there's stiff competition from every angle, including the 3DS that will really start coming into its own then.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on October 29, 2011, 05:28:21 PM
Namco admitted that they chose Feb. to avoid the huge November/holiday release clusterfuck in North America. (Uncharted 3, Skyrim, MW3... etc etc.) Which... I can't blame them at all. Consumers only have so much money, including in January when everyone's broke because of Christmas. People love to argue that NB here doesn't care about the Tales series. If that were true, they'd let it come out during that clusterfuck where the sales would be pretty shitty. I think February gives it a better chance to actually do well. They need all the numbers they can get to make it worthwhile for Xillia to come...

(Besides, if you're like me and end up getting GS gift cards for Christmas, you can throw that money onto a pre-order anyway.)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on October 29, 2011, 07:30:33 PM
People love to argue that NB here doesn't care about the Tales series.

They also ignore that not everyone at a company will think the same anyway. It wouldn't surprise me if some people at NB REALLY wanted to give Dark Souls a more premium treatment, but the bean counters could've well forced them to cut back on the bonuses until it was almost entirely digital with a poorly constructed artbook and an admittedly decent metal tin all that was left.

But yeah, the blitz is kind of a problem. I DO think it's kind of frustrating because unlike, say, when Tales of the Abyss came out though there really isn't THAT MUCH in the way of JRPGs but Zelda and Mario are probably still formidable enough in type of game and platform respectively. That, and anyone's interests who go even slightly beyond JRPGs are buried under a clusterfuck, even disregarding MW3 and BF3; they might even be the lowest concerns given they're probably refreshing breaks from a JRPG and vice versa.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on October 30, 2011, 07:07:06 PM
I've been using Mila as my go-to fighter, because she's great and I thought Jude was some aura healer.  I tried him out today and damn, he's got some pretty good moves.  I might have to use him more often.

Also some weird accessories in this game - 

(http://i.imgur.com/eeWWJ.jpg)

Picture turned out okay.  Droid camera sucks.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on November 07, 2011, 02:25:11 PM
Namco admitted that they chose Feb. to avoid the huge November/holiday release clusterfuck in North America. (Uncharted 3, Skyrim, MW3... etc etc.) Which... I can't blame them at all. Consumers only have so much money, including in January when everyone's broke because of Christmas. People love to argue that NB here doesn't care about the Tales series. If that were true, they'd let it come out during that clusterfuck where the sales would be pretty shitty. I think February gives it a better chance to actually do well. They need all the numbers they can get to make it worthwhile for Xillia to come...

(Besides, if you're like me and end up getting GS gift cards for Christmas, you can throw that money onto a pre-order anyway.)
Now they only have to worry about competing against MGS 3DS since it's being released the same month too.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on November 21, 2011, 09:48:24 AM
http://kotaku.com/5861361/was-this-inevitable-the-tales-studio-is-dead
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on November 21, 2011, 10:02:45 AM
http://kotaku.com/5861361/was-this-inevitable-the-tales-studio-is-dead

A bit over-dramatic.  The company absorbed the studio, likely to help with debt/losses.  I don't think they're bailing on the series, the headline is as bad as a tabloid's.  I don't think they are or can stop producing a game that gets as many sales as it does.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Farron on November 21, 2011, 10:34:07 AM
I just read this and was about to put the link here.
Even if the franchise isn't dead I think it will probably be almost as bad.

But let's face it, they release a bunch of games on platforms most of their fans are not inclined to buy, they don't manage to get namco to localize the games the fans want and instead localize symphonia 2 which a lot of people didn't like nor wanted.

Not only that but they for whatever reason went on a trend of releasing too many games of the franchise every year. The ones on DS, on PSP, a bunch of meaningless spin offs.

I honestly hope that with this we don't stop seeing their games, but that they become less frequent but with more quality.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on November 21, 2011, 11:19:24 AM
I personally don't get what happens to these game companies were they think a spin-off is a creatively charged and good idea.  Oh wait, it isn't creatively charged.  It's money...

The company *HAS* made some bad decisions.  If sales mean anything, it's that people prefer the mothership titles over the fucking spin-off (RM3?) that has a closet get all randy when the girl "changes class" inside him.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on November 21, 2011, 11:57:28 AM
Saw this news posted at a few different sites.  Pretty much all of them had a this-probably-doesn't-actually-change-anything attitude.  But Kotaku acts like the sky is falling...figures.

It's also funny how the article talks about the studio's poor performance in 2010 while completely ignoring 2011.  Xillia is the best-selling Tales game ever...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on November 21, 2011, 12:00:04 PM
Symphonia 2 could've been better if they...

- Kept the original VAs intact (luckily they kept Colette, Presea, and Kratos, but still).
- Removed the unnecessarily low level cap for the main eight characters.
- Destroyed the annoying monster training system.
- Made it a bit longer.

The only good thing the game has is the voiced skits.

- And yet they neglected adding a skit viewer for us Americans.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Logick on November 21, 2011, 03:06:54 PM
Here's my take, Namdai has a HUGE building in japan, a few floors are practically empty no thanks to massive layoffs.  Lots of room in one office, several satellite offices(like Tales), put two and two together.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on November 21, 2011, 03:21:21 PM
Here's my take, Namdai has a HUGE building in japan, a few floors are practically empty no thanks to massive layoffs.  Lots of room in one office, several satellite offices(like Tales), put two and two together.
If it somehow affects America and Europe, I'm all ears. If not, I don't care if Japan gets a new game and we're forced to skip it one more time.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ShadowLaguna on November 21, 2011, 05:03:44 PM
Symphonia 2 could've been better if they...

- Kept the original VAs intact (luckily they kept Colette, Presea, and Kratos, but still).
- Removed the unnecessarily low level cap for the main eight characters.
- Destroyed the annoying monster training system.
- Made it a bit longer.

The only good thing the game has is the voiced skits.

- And yet they neglected adding a skit viewer for us Americans.

-Added a proper world map, rather than a stupid point and click one.
-Made it so you could use the Gamecube/Classic controller.
-Removed Emil from the game.
-Actually, scratch that, Symphonia 2 could've been better if it wasn't ever made.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Tomara on November 22, 2011, 07:14:44 AM
http://kotaku.com/5861361/was-this-inevitable-the-tales-studio-is-dead

A bit over-dramatic.  The company absorbed the studio, likely to help with debt/losses.  I don't think they're bailing on the series, the headline is as bad as a tabloid's.  I don't think they are or can stop producing a game that gets as many sales as it does.

Yeah, I really don't get what the fuss is all about. I'd be worried if they reported they let most of the Tales Studio employees go, but since that isn't the case, why worry?

I really doubt it will change much. And if it does, it will probably involve having the former Tales Studio work on different types of projects. Which is a good thing. At the very least they won't be desperately shitting Tales titles all over the releaselists. Seriously, what was up with that? 'Tales isn't doing as well as it did back when we only made one game every 1-2 years!' 'Oh no, let's make more Tales to remedy this problem!'
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on November 22, 2011, 07:24:49 AM
I expect before being absorbed they were shifting from a "release as many of these as possible!" strategy to a game every year or two years, which actually probably INCREASES chances of reliably getting the games localized versus the last few years, especially during the latter part of the last generation.

And while it wouldn't be completely uncalled for to lament a studio OFFICIALLY ceasing to exist... "Wolfteam" died with Tales of Phantasia itself, and it's not like they were particularly well known for their prior games anyway, and I don't think many of them even came here. I'd save the mourning for several years down the road if it really turns out the Tales series dies or the staff ends up laid off/refocused on other games.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on November 22, 2011, 12:01:39 PM
I expect before being absorbed they were shifting from a "release as many of these as possible!" strategy to a game every year or two years, which actually probably INCREASES chances of reliably getting the games localized versus the last few years, especially during the latter part of the last generation.

And while it wouldn't be completely uncalled for to lament a studio OFFICIALLY ceasing to exist... "Wolfteam" died with Tales of Phantasia itself, and it's not like they were particularly well known for their prior games anyway, and I don't think many of them even came here. I'd save the mourning for several years down the road if it really turns out the Tales series dies or the staff ends up laid off/refocused on other games.

Plus fewer releases will hopefully mean better quality of those releases since they're not spamming to stay afloat.

Also Wolfteam became Tri-Ace and went from making second rate platformers for Nihon Telenet to second rate JRPGs for Squeenix and Konami.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on November 22, 2011, 12:37:21 PM
Also Wolfteam became Tri-Ace and went from making second rate platformers for Nihon Telenet to second rate JRPGs for Squeenix and Konami.

Second rate?!  I will bitch-argue anyone who says Tri-Ace does a bad job... especially to Squeenix titles as of late.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Tomara on November 22, 2011, 01:45:46 PM
Want to hear something funny? One of the Netherlands biggest gamingsites reported that Tales of the Abyss may not be released due to it still being in development. Which is, of course, complete bullshit. Still, their readers are shitting their pants because they seriously think they're going to miss out on Tales of the Abyss again. It's going to be even funnier when other sites are going to start using gamer.nl article as a source instead of something like Andriasang. I wonder how far this will spread...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 01, 2011, 05:10:04 PM
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/616012-tales-of-xillia/61182448

Oh no.... Fuck you, Namco Bandai, if the

Tales of Xillia released IS indeed a beta version... AGAIN. 

ToXf -- will we see one? x(


Following links around led me to this: http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/5069891.html
If anyone knows Japanese, *allegedly* it states we very well might see a Director's Cut of ToX. 
This is pretty stupid, though.  These re-releases are a cheap way to earn a few extra pennies.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on December 01, 2011, 05:14:56 PM
Probably just means US would get the re-release... hopefully.

Xillia itself has kept me plenty busy so I can't complain.  There are always things that end up on the chopping block anyway.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on December 01, 2011, 05:40:55 PM
On one hand every game has stuff that gets cut from it.  That's completely normal and doesn't generally mean that there is a re-release in the future.  On the other hand, this is Namco Bandai we're talking about.  They have a bit of a history.  But on the gripping hand there is no platform change here to justify a re-release.  I mean, you can joke about doing a reverse Vesperia and making it for the 360, but the fact is that the 360 is pretty dead in Japan so that doesn't make business sense.  Maybe Wii U?  That would be kind of crazy...

Following links around led me to this: http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/5069891.html
If anyone knows Japanese, *allegedly* it states we very well might see a Director's Cut of ToX. 
This is pretty stupid, though.  These re-releases are a cheap way to earn a few extra pennies.

It seems pretty vague.  He's talking about stuff a hypothetical re-release might have, but isn't saying that they're actually working on it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 01, 2011, 06:47:39 PM
On one hand every game has stuff that gets cut from it.  That's completely normal and doesn't generally mean that there is a re-release in the future.  On the other hand, this is Namco Bandai we're talking about.  They have a bit of a history.  But on the gripping hand there is no platform change here to justify a re-release.  I mean, you can joke about doing a reverse Vesperia and making it for the 360, but the fact is that the 360 is pretty dead in Japan so that doesn't make business sense.  Maybe Wii U?  That would be kind of crazy...

Following links around led me to this: http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/5069891.html
If anyone knows Japanese, *allegedly* it states we very well might see a Director's Cut of ToX. 
This is pretty stupid, though.  These re-releases are a cheap way to earn a few extra pennies.

It seems pretty vague.  He's talking about stuff a hypothetical re-release might have, but isn't saying that they're actually working on it.

It's just, given the history, I wouldn't be surprised.  Worst of all was the "unused data" found on the disc.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 01, 2011, 07:27:24 PM
Let's look at the last few console releases.

Tales of Symphonia: Has enhanced port.
Tales of Destiny: Has Director's Cut.
Tales of Vesperia: Has enhanced port.
Tales of Graces: Has enhanced port.
Tales of Xillia: Obviously rushed with dropped storylines and obvious room for other things like secondary hi ougis and severely lacking extra dungeon.

I'd bet a lot money on Xillia getting a DC. They'd better make it DLC. They could hand wave it for Vesperia and Graces because they were ports, and Symphonia and Destiny because they come from last gen which had no real internet-capable consoles other than the Xbox.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: CDFN on December 01, 2011, 07:32:29 PM
Probably dlc and eventually a "complete" edition.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on December 01, 2011, 07:35:00 PM
As an aside, I hate how Vesperia 360 is referred to as a "beta version". From my understanding it's really not that different from, say, Resident Evil 4 getting more stuff for the PS2 port or Symphony of the Night to the Saturn, and in both cases the graphics are inferior (though I believe RE4 on PS2 did the best it could while SotN on the Saturn didn't) and the new content is frivolous crap you're not really missing out on; SotN didn't even KEEP that content for future ports, and if it did it was seriously reworked. Even if the extra content was planned in the first place, well, usually there's a reason that stuff gets cut. It either wasn't up to snuff, or when the release date pressure was on it was deemed not really worth keeping over other stuff, and thus cut/abandoned.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 01, 2011, 07:42:27 PM
The problem here being that Xillia was obviously rushed out. The story felt incomplete; hell, the GAME felt incomplete.

I didn't feel this way for Graces (the future arc was superfluous, really) or Vesperia (the new stuff was boring, despite what PS3 fanboys insist) - both had fully fleshed out storylines that took care of most, if not all, their loose ends. The rest was just icing. With Xillia, I was really surprised when it ended because a lot of important plot points ended up being dropped or resolved in the fucking SKITS of all places.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 01, 2011, 07:45:50 PM
As an aside, I hate how Vesperia 360 is referred to as a "beta version". From my understanding it's really not that different from, say, Resident Evil 4 getting more stuff for the PS2 port or Symphony of the Night to the Saturn, and in both cases the graphics are inferior (though I believe RE4 on PS2 did the best it could while SotN on the Saturn didn't) and the new content is frivolous crap you're not really missing out on; SotN didn't even KEEP that content for future ports, and if it did it was seriously reworked. Even if the extra content was planned in the first place, well, usually there's a reason that stuff gets cut. It either wasn't up to snuff, or when the release date pressure was on it was deemed not really worth keeping over other stuff, and thus cut/abandoned.

I always liked it as a phrase used by people who are pissed off for spending money for a game that'd have more content in the future.

I'm *kinda* feeling this with Xillia because all of the "signs" were there, to a point it almost feels purposeful. And THAT is what's annoying by this point.  Hence the term "beta".  So when you buy "the beta", sure it's complete... but some of the stuff missing is Tales staples:
No hot spring scene (A staple in the series)
No cameo battle (again)
No extra hi-ougis (again, again)
No bonus dungeon (again 3x)
No bonus costumes (what's worst than this is that, besides 2 post-game ones, ALL costumes are DLC ONLY D: )

I'm guessing Graces felt more complete because, well (at the time), Wii was the only console NB had in mind (a PS3 ver came at a petition/poll of some sort, IIRC). 
Vesperia PS3, as Leyv said, had pretty weak bonuses.  But given the extremely positive response and sales to it, this may have just etched into the grander scheme of how NB can make easy money.  Either way, what a lot of fans *hated* was how Patty was actually in the 360's coding, and how some scenes left a ambiguous spot for the extra characters.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on December 01, 2011, 07:59:26 PM
Ahhh, yeah, it makes sense then for Xillia to come off more as a beta. Geez, that sounds pretty lame. :/
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on December 02, 2011, 12:33:11 AM
Namco Bandai is pretty much following the Capcom Sequel Stagnation principle. There's a SUPER ALPHA version for the first game.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 02, 2011, 12:42:34 AM
Namco Bandai is pretty much following the Capcom Sequel Stagnation principle. There's a SUPER ALPHA version for the first game.

Yeaaah... note to self about CAPCOM: Don't buy their stuff Day 1 Year 1. :S
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mym on December 02, 2011, 06:03:54 PM
I'm quite surprised to see people being so dismissive of Vesperia PS3. I actually thought it was a pretty big enhancement, myself. Two extra fully playable characters, full voices for the entire script, extra costumes, extra skills, extra scenes, extra skits, extra music, extra bosses, extra areas... Short of actually revamping significant chunks of the game, I don't really see what other bonuses they could have added.

Of course it's kind of overdramatic to suggest that the 360 version is crippled and worthless thanks to the additions that the PS3 has, but they're not exactly insignificant either, and I think it's a real stretch to compare Vesperia PS3 to SotN Saturn or ToS PS2. SotN's extra areas were practically unfinished, and ToS was such a technical mess compared to its Gamecube counterpart that whatever small additions it brought to the table did little to change the fact that it was pretty objectively the inferior version of the game. Vesperia, on the other hand, adds some fairly substantial extra content at the cost of very little noticeable technical performance. Enough to justify calling the 360 version a beta? Not really. But certainly enough that, were both games available and comprehensible to someone who owned both consoles, I'd see little reason to recommend the 360 one.

Anyway, I'm kind of relieved now that I didn't buy Xillia last month after all. Though it's sort of sad that it's getting to the point with some companies where you stand to lose rather than gain by being an early adopter of a game. Especially in the age of DLC and patches, when there's rarely a need to do a full re-release. Fingers crossed that they opt for DLC for the sake of those who bought it on release.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 02, 2011, 06:19:34 PM
I think the ToV PS3 version, at the very least, was over-hyped then.  For the amount of whining and Namco-hate spread by US audiences, the additions weren't ground-breaking.  One of the extra dungeons was flat out stupid and inserted at a point of the game where all you had to do before was walk to the end of town (the new PS3 dungeon made you walk through an almost lightless sewer).  Patty was "ok"; a lot of the dialogue changes were simply her dialogue fixed into the already normal-360 string of dialogue.  Her character was not very impressive, if somewhat irritating as well.  Flynn played like an old-school Tales character, but was certainly a more welcome and more plausible than Patty.

The musical additions... well most sucked ass and weren't very interesting nor pleasantly melodic.

More skits?  Maybe it's a Japanese thing, but after one run through a Tales game, that's all I needed of 'em.  Some moved too slowly, and I skipped a bunch too.

The new costumes were kinda cool... except most of Yuri's sucked (having me stick with his normal one) and they couldn't have tried LESS for Repede's. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on December 02, 2011, 06:28:06 PM
But certainly enough that, were both games available and comprehensible to someone who owned both consoles, I'd see little reason to recommend the 360 one.

IF you know Japanese. That's the thing really, because Vesperia PS3 was Japan-exclusive it had this elusiveness that had people build it up, especially among those who only had a PS3. As a result you have some people calling Vesperia 360 "a beta" and completely dismissing it, when at best it's probably more like Resident Evil 4 there where you had a surprisingly small performance hit and extra content worth playing through if it's there, but not to the point where the GC version could be dismissed (though with the Wii version you basically get everything but HD graphics anyway.)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mym on December 02, 2011, 06:54:18 PM
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not arguing that it's over-hyped. I roll my eyes every time I see somebody throwing the "beta" argument around, being that the 360 version is still a complete, polished, wholly enjoyable game. Still, I do think it's more than a little unreasonable to compare it to really bad examples like SotN and ToS, where some half-assed extra content was hastily pasted in to cover up a sloppy port job. Vesperia is very competently ported, and if I didn't know better I would have thought it was developed for the PS3. And the extras... Well, maybe not all of them are essential. But there are lots of them, all are welcome, and a number of them (full voices, fully playable Flynn complete with new skits and story material, a number of the battle tweaks) are fairly substantial additions that do enhance the game a fair bit. Resident Evil 4 is perhaps a better example, though even then I'd argue that the technical differences between the two Vesperias are far less significant than between the two Resis.

Also, I wasn't a fan of Patty either. :'D But characters like that rarely appeal to me anyway. Besides, a big draw of the series is its battle system, and I don't think an extra playable character with a complete and unique skill set is anything to sneer at, irrespective of whether or not she's the most likeable member of the cast.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 06, 2012, 01:25:14 PM
Sorry to revive the Tales topic but I need some advice....

I'm in a Tales sort of mood, with Graces on the horrizon and want to pick up Eternia/ Tales 2....... My question is should I go for the PSP Euro import of Eternia or the original Tales 2 for the ps1.... Is there any difference? Should I simply opt for whichever I can procure for a better price? I couldn't find any info online really about comparisons between the two.... only that the PSP version had some bugs fixed and whatnot....
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 06, 2012, 01:30:00 PM
Not a single difference.  I have both, if anything, it's nice to have it all on one UMD.

This Tales game has to be one of my favorites for leaving that warm and cozy feeling that PSX rpgs leave.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on February 06, 2012, 05:29:34 PM
I couldn't find any info online really about comparisons between the two.... only that the PSP version had some bugs fixed and whatnot....

Didn't it introduce new bugs of its own (aka the Volt bug)?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 06, 2012, 05:33:33 PM
I couldn't find any info online really about comparisons between the two.... only that the PSP version had some bugs fixed and whatnot....

Didn't it introduce new bugs of its own (aka the Volt bug)?

Aaah yes.  True.  The game does get occasionally glitchy, but I'd say the Volt Bug is certainly the biggest and only big need for worry.  If you do opt for PSP, I have a glitch-free version to get you passed that part (we'd swap around save files).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 07, 2012, 04:46:08 PM
Thanks guys, version 2.5 with no glitches for the PSP has been orderred! Gee golly am I excited.... I have played this game since its release! Its one of those experiences I know I enjoyed but has been completely wiped from my memory...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 07, 2012, 04:50:47 PM
Thanks guys, version 2.5 with no glitches for the PSP has been orderred! Gee golly am I excited.... I have played this game since its release! Its one of those experiences I know I enjoyed but has been completely wiped from my memory...

What I love about the PSP version is it's "save anywhere" function... making save points kinda funny to see.

Also, after you beat Sylph, keep an eye out, they forgot to translate his name from Japanese.  I giggled. x)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on February 07, 2012, 04:59:44 PM
Tales of Eternia had their weird 'load point' system in the PS1 version too. Save anywhere, but when you load, you start from the last load point you touched.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: John on February 07, 2012, 05:01:47 PM
Tales of Eternia had their weird 'load point' system in the PS1 version too. Save anywhere, but when you load, you start from the last load point you touched.

I absolutely love that system for handheld RPGs.  It's not even as convenient as "Save anywhere", but it kept me on track in Eternia PSP.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 07, 2012, 05:03:29 PM
Tales of Eternia had their weird 'load point' system in the PS1 version too. Save anywhere, but when you load, you start from the last load point you touched.

Given the amount I just let it sleep, I never noticed that it loads you back to them.  Fancy that I guess.  Odd too, I geuss haha
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: insertnamehere on February 08, 2012, 09:44:58 AM
Main theme song of the Tales forums. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67BGOkgoIC0)
Or for this (http://tales.namco.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=91146) thread, anyway.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on February 23, 2012, 07:59:33 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/02/22/tales-of-hearts-trademark-filed-by-namco-bandai-in-the-us/

So, unh....here's a thing.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: neogalahad on February 23, 2012, 10:54:31 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/02/22/tales-of-hearts-trademark-filed-by-namco-bandai-in-the-us/

So, unh....here's a thing.

Nice find!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 10, 2012, 10:20:41 AM
Next Tales of.

(http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/cc347/ZappaSlayer/969f74c5.jpg)

Hmm... dat "x"....

(http://www.gamepur.com/files/images/2011/tales_of_xillia.jpg)

Either way, if it is a Xillia2 or Xillia DIrector's Cut or just a "new Tales of" font.... looks pretty hi-tech.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on May 10, 2012, 12:29:38 PM
It would figure that as I start my first playthrough of Tales of the Abyss, new tales stuff is discovered.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on May 10, 2012, 04:29:11 PM
It would figure that as I start my first playthrough of Tales of the Abyss, new tales stuff is discovered.

You could playthrough and beat every Tales game in existence three times before that game/directors cut makes it here.  Not coming anytime soon.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Logick on May 10, 2012, 06:28:58 PM
could it be NBGA is going to wait for a Xilia DC and release that in the west.  But.... that would make sense.  I wonder how long it will take for it to come out, and if anyone I know will still be there(down to three people I can comfortably ask for free/cheap games),  I still won't buy anything they make.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 11, 2012, 12:19:26 AM
A lot of comments flying around the forum of boycotting publisher's title...  What's gwanin' here? D:
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Logick on May 11, 2012, 11:35:04 AM
A lot of comments flying around the forum of boycotting publisher's title...  What's gwanin' here? D:

I don't know about the others, but for me, they owe me a promotion.  Until I get it, I ain't paying full price ever. (yes I know I'm no longer there, they still owe me one :P )
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mym on May 11, 2012, 04:46:49 PM
Thanks for the heads up! I was actually thinking about buying Xillia the other day, so I'm glad I put it off if this is indeed a Director's Cut.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 16, 2012, 01:09:14 AM
Famitsu interview with Hideo Baba [Tales producer]:

Quote
The new game’s catch copy is: “Are you prepared to destroy the world for a girl?” This is related to the game’s story and battle system.
It is a mothership title (this was already known).
Until know, the series has beeen known for its “high fantasy,” with swords and magic, however, this time it aims to explore the world view through human civilization. It’s “modern and inorganic.”
“It’s a new world, you’ll compete in this story.”
“Of course, we kept in mind the sense of a Tales game, but the next stage that we are taking Tales to was a challenge.”
“Besides this title there are others under development. We’ll debut new content to everyone on June 2nd, look out for it.”

The first point is especially curious.  Sounds like you might be a sort of anti-hero for that one.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on May 16, 2012, 01:16:23 AM
The girl harbors evil that will destroy the world.

By the end of the game the heroes will find a way to destroy the evil and save the world without sacrificing the girl.

Fist bumps all around, and more pornographic images of Tales characters will be uploaded on the internet.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 16, 2012, 01:16:53 AM
Besides that I couldn't help but wonder how hot she'll be to justify it.

I wonder how to keep plots fresh nowadays.  Seems like a lot of the good ideas have been used in destroying the world in creative ways.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 16, 2012, 01:23:18 AM
The girl harbors evil that will destroy the world.

By the end of the game the heroes will find a way to destroy the evil and save the world without sacrificing the girl.

Fist bumps all around, and more pornographic images of Tales characters will be uploaded on the internet.

And there was much rejoicing! ;D
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 16, 2012, 01:25:38 AM
PS: Ashton, don't change the avvy.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on May 16, 2012, 08:08:26 AM
Besides that I couldn't help but wonder how hot she'll be to justify it.

I wonder how to keep plots fresh nowadays.  Seems like a lot of the good ideas have been used in destroying the world in creative ways.

She'll only look as hot as any other anime girl next door/childhood friend who obsessively holds you to idiotic childhood promises of marriage. That or she's the princess as I can't imagine either the busty one or the loli having any other features other than being the busty one and the loli respectfully.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on May 16, 2012, 10:48:39 PM
PS: Ashton, don't change the avvy.
So you go for the megalomanical Bond-villain act, eh?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on May 17, 2012, 07:52:37 AM
PS: Ashton, don't change the avvy.
So you go for the megalomanical Bond-villain act, eh?

It helps that it's one of the best episodes in the series.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 22, 2012, 01:24:25 PM
Site update.

http://youtu.be/UQ_wnEl3EGU
Fancy pants "commercial" aired at the Tales festival.
EDIT: NOT for the new game, just past titles...

http://gallery.abyssalchronicles.com/displayimage.php?album=556&pos=1
Very pretty concept art that even WRPG-gamer Yoda might like (see how well the final product matches...)

http://next.tales-ch.jp/
And the Official Website for it... Dat "X" gets brighter... Either it is indeed a Xillia 2, or they're trying to be misleading.  Either way, a new quote pops up everyday [in Japanese].
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on June 02, 2012, 06:56:30 AM
Xillia 2 was announced today, as well as characters: main character Ludgar, his cat Lulu, and a little girl who's said to be the key to the story, Elle. Never head of THAT setup before! Hur hur.

There are also choices that determine story events and such, but JRPGs have never taken this in any meaningful direction, so we'll see.

I'm saying right now if they pull the same DLC costume stunt like the original Xillia I will review this game crappily just out of spite.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on June 02, 2012, 06:58:18 AM
I'm not quite sure what to think.  Here's a link, by the way.

http://andriasang.com/con1ac/tales_of_xillia_2/
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on June 02, 2012, 08:24:40 AM
I'm not quite sure what to think.  Here's a link, by the way.

http://andriasang.com/con1ac/tales_of_xillia_2/

QTEs confirmed!

I'll probably be safe in ignoring this.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on June 02, 2012, 09:19:29 AM
Has anyone gone on GameFAQs to see if the Tales fans are whining about ToX hasn't even been announced for localization in the US/Canada?

I still need to play the first game, but I've never really been a fan of sequels in the Tales series.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: macirex on June 02, 2012, 09:56:59 AM
Dunno why... but it does not catch my attention...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 02, 2012, 10:34:16 AM
If sequels means...
ToP ----> ToS = Awesome


If sequels means...
ToS ----> ToS2 = Avoid

Anyways, I hope you're not risking the world for the loli... I'd take off five stars from the game just for that. 
Also... https://twitter.com/TalesofU/status/208894137372647424 [Europe link].
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on June 02, 2012, 12:10:57 PM
This isn't the game that has a futuristic look, right?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on June 02, 2012, 12:17:28 PM
This isn't the game that has a futuristic look, right?
No, this its direct sequel that takes place one year later. So technically, it has an even more futuristic-y look.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on June 02, 2012, 12:56:19 PM
I'm not quite sure what to think.  Here's a link, by the way.

http://andriasang.com/con1ac/tales_of_xillia_2/

QTEs confirmed!

How on earth did you conclude that?  There's not a hint of an inkling of QTEs in combat.  It does say you can make decisions during story sequences by pressing L1 or R1, but there's nothing about it requiring fast timing.  Even if there is some kind of time limit you're still talking about pressing one of two buttons a single time, not a long sequence using a variety of inputs (which is what a QTE is to me...).  That's more like making a decision in a VN under time pressure (which plenty of VNs have).  Anyway, this is all speculation.  They haven't said that there's a time limit at all, nor do we know how common these decision points are.  But regardless it doesn't sound anything like QTEs to me...

Some people seem eager to completely dismiss this game for some reason...

Edit: OK, I found a full trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R35xRU2zU2A) that shows off one of these decision points.  There is a timer but it's exactly as I said, a timed choice not a QTE.  You have a full twelve seconds to decide to press one of two buttons (and I seriously doubt that pressing something besides L1 or R1 does anything).  If that's a QTE then I'm a sheep farmer.

By the way, the trailer is interesting for other reasons.  Check it out.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on June 02, 2012, 01:53:01 PM
Yeah, I don't get the hate for this so far. It looks cool for a trailer. I'd prefer to understand why anyone cares about this at all seeing as the first one is still jp onry. What makes anyone think we'll see an english version of the original, much less this sequel?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 02, 2012, 02:16:17 PM
Yeah, I don't get the hate for this so far. It looks cool for a trailer. I'd prefer to understand why anyone cares about this at all seeing as the first one is still jp onry. What makes anyone think we'll see an english version of the original, much less this sequel?

Also... https://twitter.com/TalesofU/status/208894137372647424 [Europe link].

Xillia had quite a few faults, I think people are worried about the same thing + a bad case of sequelitis.
I *guess* I'm happy the other Tales artist is back.  I like this new hero...definitely better than the tube top Emil wore.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on June 02, 2012, 03:18:10 PM
I'm not quite sure what to think.  Here's a link, by the way.

http://andriasang.com/con1ac/tales_of_xillia_2/

QTEs confirmed!

How on earth did you conclude that?  There's not a hint of an inkling of QTEs in combat.  It does say you can make decisions during story sequences by pressing L1 or R1, but there's nothing about it requiring fast timing.  Even if there is some kind of time limit you're still talking about pressing one of two buttons a single time, not a long sequence using a variety of inputs (which is what a QTE is to me...).  That's more like making a decision in a VN under time pressure (which plenty of VNs have).  Anyway, this is all speculation.  They haven't said that there's a time limit at all, nor do we know how common these decision points are.  But regardless it doesn't sound anything like QTEs to me...

Some people seem eager to completely dismiss this game for some reason...

Edit: OK, I found a full trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R35xRU2zU2A) that shows off one of these decision points.  There is a timer but it's exactly as I said, a timed choice not a QTE.  You have a full twelve seconds to decide to press one of two buttons (and I seriously doubt that pressing something besides L1 or R1 does anything).  If that's a QTE then I'm a sheep farmer.

By the way, the trailer is interesting for other reasons.  Check it out.

Yeah, that's the difference between screen shots and an actual trailer. You get to see how fast the timers tick down.

Also I'm only eager to dismiss the game based upon the fact that a) it's a Tales of game and b) it's a (possibly?) direct sequel to another Tales of game like ToS2 was. Also a distantly related c) is that based upon the pictures thus far it's a game about some generic salary man boy hovering over some generic loli-pop while a cyborg ninja shoots in their general direction and a bunch of adults stand around looking both menacing and incompetent at the same time.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on June 02, 2012, 03:40:53 PM
Can't say I'm interested in it either. The game looks so incredibly bland =/
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on June 02, 2012, 03:50:38 PM
Yeah, I don't get the hate for this so far. It looks cool for a trailer. I'd prefer to understand why anyone cares about this at all seeing as the first one is still jp onry. What makes anyone think we'll see an english version of the original, much less this sequel?

It's because of what Dice said on the previous page. We have no idea what to expect out of the sequel. I've only put in a few hours into the first game myself, so I don't really have any major opinions on the game. I'm just hoping it's not another ToS2.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on June 02, 2012, 04:15:04 PM
I'm just hoping it's not another ToS2.

When you do it this fast I have to assume they partially planned for this.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on June 02, 2012, 04:22:30 PM
I'm just hoping it's not another ToS2.

ToS2 was a spin-off title done 5 years later by a different team.  It's not even considered a mothership Tales game.  I just don't see the comparison.  Tales of Destiny 2 (the real one, not the renamed Eternia...) seems like a more relevant comparison, and that's one of the more highly-regarded Tales games.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 02, 2012, 09:54:00 PM
Hey wait a minute. This is the same game that had the catchphrase; "Are you prepared to destroy the world for a girl?"
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on June 02, 2012, 10:21:18 PM
Hey wait a minute. This is the same game that had the catchphrase; "Are you prepared to destroy the world for a girl?"
That was for the original Tales of Xillia if I remember right.

Also, tales of destiny 2, though never released outside if japan, was a pretty cool game story wise. If xillia 2 does what destiny 2 did, I will approve...unless it stays in japan in which I say fuck you jp onry bullshit.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 03, 2012, 01:33:36 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4zpv3bAV71qgtmjro1_500.png)

It would be mean to be going around Tweeting this on a weekend for it just to be a big, fat, lie.  I'm sure they are thinking about it.  WHy are we still on this "it stays in Japan ALL THA TIME" train still.  We got Graces didn't we?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on June 03, 2012, 02:57:59 AM
WHy are we still on this "it stays in Japan ALL THA TIME" train still.  We got Graces didn't we?

Pessimism over the state of the industry combined with a track record with gaping holes. Though given the output seems to have been dialed back some I'd be more optimistic about reliably seeing these come over, and Xillia 2 would imply skipping Xillia also skips Xillia 2, and thus going years without new ones.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on June 03, 2012, 03:17:43 AM
I'm a bit rusty on the story, but near the end of Xillia's story had two worlds, and one of them barely even got explored. Maybe Xillia 2 is about this world.

I imagine Xillia 2 also has all the stuff they didn't get to include in Xillia.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 03, 2012, 10:11:12 AM
WHy are we still on this "it stays in Japan ALL THA TIME" train still.  We got Graces didn't we?

Pessimism over the state of the industry combined with a track record with gaping holes. Though given the output seems to have been dialed back some I'd be more optimistic about reliably seeing these come over, and Xillia 2 would imply skipping Xillia also skips Xillia 2, and thus going years without new ones.

The only really major titles we missed were the handhelds and, the sort of odd-ball of the bunch, Rebirth and ToD2 [J].  But of all these, I think the only one worth really weeping about was missing the PS2 ToD remake and MAAAYBE Hearts.  I'd raise an eyebrow if anyone here was so keen on wanting the sort of half-assed spin-offs.

Anyways, I feel like the posts from the UK Tales Teams are being ignored, but I certainly would rather hear "stay tuned" than "no plans".
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Farron on June 03, 2012, 10:55:25 AM
It would be nice if we could get Xilia before the end of the year, even better if before that time of the year that all you see selling are the same franchises of sports games, FPS and some annualized series.
Even Nisa and Gust are making an effort to shorten the gap between the releases I truly can't see how it hurts Namco so much to release some games before the South Pole starts melting.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on June 03, 2012, 10:55:41 AM
You forgot about the PS3 version of Vesperia, which had way more content than the 360 version. Didn't even get a dlc option for it on 360. It's stuff like this that makes me ride the jp onry train.

I hope I am just being a pessimistic fuckhole, but whamco blandai has shit in my cereal before, so I keep a realistic feet firmly on the ground approach to this.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on June 03, 2012, 11:04:19 AM
Actually, you need to blame Microsoft on that one. They paid big money to have the exclusivity.
Then again, who knows, maybe without MS paying for the localization it would have never come outside of Japan.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 03, 2012, 11:18:18 AM
You forgot about the PS3 version of Vesperia, which had way more content than the 360 version. Didn't even get a dlc option for it on 360. It's stuff like this that makes me ride the jp onry train.

I hope I am just being a pessimistic fuckhole, but whamco blandai has shit in my cereal before, so I keep a realistic feet firmly on the ground approach to this.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, very little was missed with Vesperia PS3.  Most importantly, it doesn't save the train wreck of a story it was.  I'm only sad we lost out on a non-copy/paste bonus dungeon.  The other dungeon that was added, meant to be hit thanks to storyline, was an annoying dark/light mechanic sewer dungeon in Dahngrest.  In the PS3 version, you had to cross it, it took about 20 minutes.  In the 360 version, you just had to walk to the other side of town....

If anything, I'd yell at Namdai for keeping files on the 360 that have coding for Patty and English voice clips for Rita's Indignation (fishy fishy).

I'm surprised MS still cares about exclusivity by this point anyways.  The game is OOP, not like they're really making money off it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on June 03, 2012, 01:08:17 PM
It may be that it's simply too late to bother with at this point, late PS3 ports generally do pretty terribly. In some ways it'd probably do better than ME2's admittedly, new content for PS3 people would care about versus just getting the DLC for free and some comic thing meant to make up for not getting the first game, in which case 360 owners got the better deal anyway (and ultimately COULD buy that comic for cheap.) Besides, it's more important we get the game in a decent state in the first place, and it sounds like the 360 version does have a performance edge over PS3. This isn't like, say, having a bunch of Tales of Phantasia ports, and we only get the worst one of them.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 04, 2012, 10:46:16 AM
https://www.facebook.com/tales/posts/449805515048995
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 03, 2012, 04:09:27 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Thtnc.jpg)

Heavy speculation that Tales of Xillia will be announced at the gaming expo going on in Europe -- this is a shot from Hideo baba (the big producer-sama behind the series) having "Milla arrive in Europe"... I just wonder, are they gonna "Xenoblade it" and localize it there too??
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on July 03, 2012, 06:49:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Thtnc.jpg)

Heavy speculation that Tales of Xillia will be announced at the gaming expo going on in Europe -- this is a shot from Hideo baba (the big producer-sama behind the series) having "Milla arrive in Europe"... I just wonder, are they gonna "Xenoblade it" and localize it there too??

That's an Embraer 175... so from a Brazilian company.
Tales of Xillia confirmed for South America!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 03, 2012, 09:13:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Thtnc.jpg)

Heavy speculation that Tales of Xillia will be announced at the gaming expo going on in Europe -- this is a shot from Hideo baba (the big producer-sama behind the series) having "Milla arrive in Europe"... I just wonder, are they gonna "Xenoblade it" and localize it there too??

That's an Embraer 175... so from a Brazilian company.
Tales of Xillia confirmed for South America!

It also says "Alitalia"...so Italy.

Mind you I'm impressed you know the craft of all things.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Der Jermeister on July 03, 2012, 10:02:01 PM
Even if Xillia is Europe-only at least the PS3 isn't region-coded for PS3 games. I do hope they don't pull a Tales of Destiny and deny us part two of the story in Englsih.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on July 03, 2012, 10:10:30 PM
No way it comes to Europe and not North America.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on July 03, 2012, 10:30:25 PM
Even if Xillia is Europe-only at least the PS3 isn't region-coded for PS3 games. I do hope they don't pull a Tales of Destiny and deny us part two of the story in Englsih.
Tales of Destiny 2 had a shitty story anyway.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Der Jermeister on July 03, 2012, 10:37:56 PM
Even if Xillia is Europe-only at least the PS3 isn't region-coded for PS3 games. I do hope they don't pull a Tales of Destiny and deny us part two of the story in Englsih.
Tales of Destiny 2 had a shitty story anyway.

A bad story does not necessarily a bad game make.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on July 03, 2012, 10:38:35 PM
Even if Xillia is Europe-only at least the PS3 isn't region-coded for PS3 games. I do hope they don't pull a Tales of Destiny and deny us part two of the story in Englsih.
Tales of Destiny 2 had a shitty story anyway.

A bad story does not necessarily a bad game make.
It wasn't terribly great in the gameplay department either, IMO.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 03, 2012, 10:52:55 PM
Even if Xillia is Europe-only at least the PS3 isn't region-coded for PS3 games. I do hope they don't pull a Tales of Destiny and deny us part two of the story in Englsih.
Tales of Destiny 2 had a shitty story anyway.

A bad story does not necessarily a bad game make.
It wasn't terribly great in the gameplay department either, IMO.

The bigger offense here being that we missed on the Destiny remake than the sequel.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 04, 2012, 01:29:25 AM
I was one of those that was kinda interested in playing that remake when it was announced, then I lost interest. I also remember that the special edition that Japan got for that game was pretty awesome too.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on July 04, 2012, 06:47:39 AM
if europe gets xillia before the states i want to know why... heck i still want to know why nintendo did it. i can only venture a theory. i have a lot of rpg playing friends that have been playing handhelds and never made the jump to 360/wii/ps3 but what would stop european rpg fans from doing that too?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on July 07, 2012, 03:01:40 AM
Xillia will be released here.  I have no basis for this statement other than the fact that Xillia is both the highest rated and fastest selling Tales game ever.  It's not some obscure entry in the franchise.  Unless Namco Bandai wants to abandon the series in the west entirely they're going to localize Xillia.

That said, Graces f still isn't even out yet so they're not going to want to start hyping Xillia already.  I seriously doubt there will be any kind of official announcement until after Graces f is released.

But I will bet $100 that there will be a Xillia localization announcement before the end of 2012.  I'm dead serious about that if anyone wants to take me up on it.

I wish somebody took me up on that bet...I could have used $100.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Logick on July 07, 2012, 03:06:24 AM
Looks like Namdai has accepted it's fate as a niche developer(until they try to get into western game development again and inflate their egos.  Hey, they only had six failed attempts since the early 90's). 
I just finished Tales of the Abyss on the 3DS, not a bad game, my only real complaint was the over abundance of skits, and the inability to skip them(Vesperia seemed to have a lot less).  Haven't played Graces, is it that bad?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on July 07, 2012, 12:19:06 PM
Everything is skippable, but the skits are actually funny for the most part in graces f. The actual story is a bit....lame, even by Tales standards. Gameplay is solid, easy to grasp, though if you played all the other Tales games, the change to an overhead camera and the battle controls do throw you off for a bit. Still, out of all the tales titles I've played, this is probably my favorite in terms of characters and character relations. Maybe not vesperia, but it definitely beats symphonia and is slightly better than the abyss in my opinion.

Eagerly awaiting Xillia now, though hopefully the reason it's going to take at least another 6 months is because they're going to toss some extra content in...cuz as of now, it sounds a lot less impressive in scope then graces f, which had a shitton of content.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on July 07, 2012, 01:02:31 PM
though if you played all the other Tales games, the change to an overhead camera and the battle controls do throw you off for a bit.

Eagerly awaiting Xillia now, though hopefully the reason it's going to take at least another 6 months is because they're going to toss some extra content in...cuz as of now, it sounds a lot less impressive in scope then graces f, which had a shitton of content.

The camera is pretty adjustable iirc.  There are a couple of settings for the camera in the option menu with a zoom in/out button.  I think it accommodates most people.

As for content, remember Graces F is essentially a directors cut from the Wii version.  Considering ToX2 is in development, I wouldn't expect any extra content.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on July 07, 2012, 08:57:23 PM
I'm not saying that the camera isn't accomodating, just new and strange at first. Once you adjust to it, which will probably be before you finish the kids arc, it feels much better. Still hate holding up to move towards enemies though...

As far as xillia 2 is concerned, it's in development, therefore not even a concern of anyones in the west yet. Xillia is done and has been out for like a year and change...yet we won't get it here for at LEAST six months yet, being that it's only scheduled for 2013, no other release data. I really don't think 6 months is needed to translate the game and and record voice acting...especially if namco is trying to make money on it. Odds are they are going to re-release it worldwide with extra content similarly to Graces F. Maybe not the entire extra storyline, but I'd bet on some new moves and skits, maybe a bonus dungeon, and some extra skits here and there, similarly to vesperia on ps3. I could be wrong, but kevadu bet on xillia being translated, I'm betting it gets some extra meat. Course, I don't have 100 bucks to bet though...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on July 07, 2012, 09:44:25 PM
Xillia is done and has been out for like a year and change...

It's been out for less than a year.  Came out in September last year.

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I really don't think 6 months is needed to translate the game and and record voice acting...

Actually, 6 months would be a very reasonable timeframe for that.  In fact I would say it's on the short side.  There's a lot of text in these games.  Though I don't know where you get the 6 months number from.  I doubt this will be an early 2013 release (they probably don't want to conflict with Ni no Kuni anyway).

The real question is why didn't they start sooner.  But this is Namco we're talking about so it's not like I'm surprised.

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Odds are they are going to re-release it worldwide with extra content similarly to Graces F.

I just don't see that.  The team has already moved on to the next project.  And if they were going to do extra content then they would do it for Japan first (it's their main market, after all), and it wouldn't make much sense to release it after Xillia 2.  There isn't a lot of time until Xillia 2 launches and they haven't announced anything...there is DLC for Xillia, though.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 07, 2012, 11:21:19 PM
Xillia got announced and there's still people asking for Vesperia PS3. ( ̄~ ̄;)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on July 07, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
well they suck. vesperia is the most boring tales game ive ever played.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on July 07, 2012, 11:44:52 PM
Xillia got announced and there's still people asking for Vesperia PS3. ( ̄~ ̄;)

At this point it's degraded to a running gag. If you want it THAT MUCH get a damn 360 already and buy it, it's even available digitally so it's not like finding a copy is a problem now. It's in a far better position than many other JRPGs that never came here, including other Tales games.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on July 07, 2012, 11:55:20 PM
This is fantastic news. I'm almost tempted to get a PS3 at this point. It's hard to believe that the last Tales game I played was almost 4 years ago already. XD
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on July 08, 2012, 12:18:57 AM
Xillia got announced and there's still people asking for Vesperia PS3. ( ̄~ ̄;)

At this point it's degraded to a running gag. If you want it THAT MUCH get a damn 360 already and buy it, it's even available digitally so it's not like finding a copy is a problem now. It's in a far better position than many other JRPGs that never came here, including other Tales games.

You can't really blame people for wanting the shinier version of a game though.
Although, I agree that anyone who still thinks Vesperia is coming here is pretty delusional.
Maybe if they ever do a DC of it on the PS4... but even then I wouldn't be so sure.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on July 08, 2012, 12:23:09 AM
You can't really blame people for wanting the shinier version of a game though.

I believe it's supposed to run worse actually. It's the version with MORE STUFF though, so that angle still works.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on July 08, 2012, 02:57:39 AM
Pretty much. I don't even want to play my copy of Vesperia anymore. Knowing how much is missing would just make it feel incomplete. But, I still know the basic story, and what's done is done, so I'd rather focus on the new stuff. I'm at least happy we got the "definitive" version of Graces.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Pmayo on July 08, 2012, 06:23:16 PM
Out of these 3 which one would you recommend playing first? Abyss, graces F, or vesperia.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on July 08, 2012, 07:00:44 PM
Out of these 3 which one would you recommend playing first? Abyss, graces F, or vesperia.
If you intend to play all three, I'd play them in order of release, since abyss has less features and may feel stiff after graces f or vesperia.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on July 09, 2012, 04:10:52 PM
Out of these 3 which one would you recommend playing first? Abyss, graces F, or vesperia.

Definitely Abyss.  Just be prepared for a fairly long journey. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 09, 2012, 11:13:07 PM
Out of these 3 which one would you recommend playing first? Abyss, graces F, or vesperia.

Definitely Abyss.  Just be prepared for a fairly long journey. 

Fourth-ded.  Unfortunately, Abyss hasn't aged the best gameplay wise, but I still say it's years ahead of the others in terms of story.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Logick on July 10, 2012, 04:52:55 AM
Still haven't played Graces, but I really enjoyed Abyss(aside from the overabundance of skits) alot, and Vesperia.  Leaning more towards Abyss since its story was pretty damn amazing.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Pmayo on July 10, 2012, 09:36:20 AM
Out of these 3 which one would you recommend playing first? Abyss, graces F, or vesperia.

Definitely Abyss.  Just be prepared for a fairly long journey. 

Fourth-ded.  Unfortunately, Abyss hasn't aged the best gameplay wise, but I still say it's years ahead of the others in terms of story.


ok thanks. A good story is a big plus in my book.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Jetto on July 17, 2012, 12:37:41 AM
I still need to open graces but felt Abyss had the best story out of all them. And It was longer than I expected, did no sidequests and took me 60hours!!


Solid game, Story gets better and better in Abyss.


Vesperia might be a slight edge over abyss gameplay wise, but the story is pretty good. the 3rd part is the weakest, its still solid, just felt like 5 hours of going around chasing the end game boss knowing quite well who the end boss is.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bytor on July 17, 2012, 03:50:03 PM
Out of these 3 which one would you recommend playing first? Abyss, graces F, or vesperia.

Definitely Abyss.  Just be prepared for a fairly long journey. 

Fourth-ded.  Unfortunately, Abyss hasn't aged the best gameplay wise, but I still say it's years ahead of the others in terms of story.

Fifthed. I feel Abyss has some of the best characters of any game period.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 17, 2012, 03:51:31 PM
Out of these 3 which one would you recommend playing first? Abyss, graces F, or vesperia.

Definitely Abyss.  Just be prepared for a fairly long journey. 

Fourth-ded.  Unfortunately, Abyss hasn't aged the best gameplay wise, but I still say it's years ahead of the others in terms of story.

Fifthed. I feel Abyss has some of the best characters of any game period.

Ion, appearance and relative wussy-ness aside, has to be one of the greatest NPC characters seen in a while.

Oh. For people who like figures and such, the Tales Nendo's are being shown off.
http://gscmikatan.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/nendoroid-petite-tales-series/
Kinda want? Petites are kinda oblong for my liking.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Prime Mover on July 19, 2012, 01:32:38 PM
Abyss. Though, unlike the others, I think the gameplay is solid. I actually consider the gameplay in Vesparia to be a HUGE step down, I felt like it was trying too hard. Haven't played Graces though (I will soon, because I'm getting a PS3). However, Abyss looks terrible, I'll warn ya. It's practically PS1 level graphics. After Symphonia, it's kinda sad. Vesparia's pretty, has a few really good characters, but is kinda vacant.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on July 19, 2012, 01:51:13 PM
Easy there prime, abyss doesn't look that terrible. It's competent PS2 level graphics for a mid life PS2 rpg. Having played it only a couple months ago, it was no eyesore or anything, just looks like an older game. Doesn't detract from the game's feel.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on July 19, 2012, 02:38:26 PM
Tales of Legendia is the one that looks like a PS1 game, and even it doesn't look that bad. It just looks really budget. The only real way in which Abyss is a step back is that it doesn't have cel shading. That's it. Graces looks kind of blah for a PS3 game, especially considering Eternal Sonata, but it's a remake of a Wii game, so I'll give it some slack.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 19, 2012, 03:43:46 PM
Tales of Legendia is the one that looks like a PS1 game, and even it doesn't look that bad. It just looks really budget. The only real way in which Abyss is a step back is that it doesn't have cel shading. That's it. Graces looks kind of blah for a PS3 game, especially considering Eternal Sonata, but it's a remake of a Wii game, so I'll give it some slack.

Say what?!  Did you see the scenery in that game?  I thought it looked better than 90% of games
(http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/685/685562/tales-of-legendia-20060207011004791-000.jpg)
Only problem is it's the only of the prev. gen titles that didn't "zoom in" or show any dynamic shots during story events.

Abyss looked awful.  But it got the body proportions most accurate.  I thought Symphonia looked way better if not for the fact the character models all looked like Fisher Price toys.
(http://www.fisher-price.com/img/product_shots/M1121_b_1.jpg)

Problem with the series, and this wasn't fixed till Graces' motion-capture, was the stoic animation. That's one reason Abyss looked awful, the cutscenes were very wooden and quick.

I always found Tales series did backgrounds to a stellar degree though, that's why I've always loved their graphics anyways.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: cj_iwakura on July 19, 2012, 04:18:13 PM
I recently started Abyss, and I think it looks great, especially the expressions, but I still think some PS1 games look great, so...

Love the story too. Wish I could play Vesperia, because Yuri sounds awesome.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on July 19, 2012, 04:31:13 PM
Tales of Legendia is the one that looks like a PS1 game, and even it doesn't look that bad. It just looks really budget. The only real way in which Abyss is a step back is that it doesn't have cel shading. That's it. Graces looks kind of blah for a PS3 game, especially considering Eternal Sonata, but it's a remake of a Wii game, so I'll give it some slack.

Say what?!  Did you see the scenery in that game?  I thought it looked better than 90% of games


Oh, I meant the character models. I will agree that the backgrounds are amazing. Tales of Legendia is kind of the weird one out though. You can tell that was mostly made by a different team than most of the others. I liked it, but it had a really different feel from the rest of the series.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on July 20, 2012, 12:06:03 AM
yuri is not awesome. i mean seriously before i quit out of boredom he annointed carol leader of the team...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on July 20, 2012, 01:47:03 AM
yuri is not awesome. i mean seriously before i quit out of boredom he annointed carol leader of the team...
I've been wondering this for a while, but that cemented it. I'm pretty sure you just hate everything.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on July 20, 2012, 02:16:44 AM
I always found Tales series did backgrounds to a stellar degree though, that's why I've always loved their graphics anyways.

I agree. I mean, the cities and most dungeons are usually very pretty. I'm currently playing Vesperia, and I'm especially fond of Halure, and the snow towns in Symphonia and Abyss are places I would probably actually like to live in if I could.

EDIT: I take that back. I would so live in the part of Aspio where you rest, the area with all the books. I would sleep in the alcoves and read books all kinds of books about nonsense science.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Prime Mover on July 24, 2012, 01:50:36 PM
Love the story too. Wish I could play Vesperia, because Yuri sounds awesome.

Yuri is awesome, so is Judith, and Yuri's friend/rival (forgot-his-name). Unfortunately, the rest of the team is a wash of obnoxious tweens who seem to have to prove their tweeniehood every 30 seconds by saying something really immature. The female "lead" is a complete waste of a human being, and even as cool as Yuri is, as someone pointed out, his appeal is cut short by the fact that he is not only willing to hang with all of these idiots, but let them actually make important decisions! Add to that Vesparia's bizarrely random battle system, and you have a pretty flawed game.

Abyss is ugly as sin, but a wonderful experience that no one here will regret.

Currently playing Graces (on me new PS3). It's kiddy, but at least it aims to be kiddy, unlike Vesparia that acts like it's going to be mature, only to become "Tales of Babysitting"
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on July 24, 2012, 02:21:22 PM
yuri is not awesome. i mean seriously before i quit out of boredom he annointed carol leader of the team...
I've been wondering this for a while, but that cemented it. I'm pretty sure you just hate everything.

It's a man teaching a boy how to become a man... clearly what Alisha likes.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on July 24, 2012, 02:52:10 PM
Yuri is awesome, so is Judith, and Yuri's friend/rival (forgot-his-name). Unfortunately, the rest of the team is a wash of obnoxious tweens who seem to have to prove their tweeniehood every 30 seconds by saying something really immature. The female "lead" is a complete waste of a human being

Disclaimer:  I only played Vesperia in Japanese so there might be some differences in the writing and there are certainly differences in the voice acting, but seriously, what is with all the Estelle hate?  I actually rather liked her characters.  She's a honest, compassionate, selfless, strong-willed person who's perhaps a little naive but not the extent where she seems dumb or anything (and it's completely understandable considering her upbringing).  I can't think of anything about her character that would justify such vitriolic hatred and yet I see comments like this on the internet all the time.

Really, the only people in Vesperia's cast I truly disliked were Karol and Patty.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on July 24, 2012, 06:45:56 PM
Love the story too. Wish I could play Vesperia, because Yuri sounds awesome.
Add to that Vesparia's bizarrely random battle system

"random"?  How so?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on July 24, 2012, 06:57:32 PM
Love the story too. Wish I could play Vesperia, because Yuri sounds awesome.

Yuri is awesome, so is Judith, and Yuri's friend/rival (forgot-his-name). Unfortunately, the rest of the team is a wash of obnoxious tweens who seem to have to prove their tweeniehood every 30 seconds by saying something really immature. The female "lead" is a complete waste of a human being, and even as cool as Yuri is, as someone pointed out, his appeal is cut short by the fact that he is not only willing to hang with all of these idiots, but let them actually make important decisions! Add to that Vesparia's bizarrely random battle system, and you have a pretty flawed game.

Abyss is ugly as sin, but a wonderful experience that no one here will regret.

Currently playing Graces (on me new PS3). It's kiddy, but at least it aims to be kiddy, unlike Vesparia that acts like it's going to be mature, only to become "Tales of Babysitting"
Are you saying Raven is a tween? He's one of my favorite Tales characters. SEXUALITYYYY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAeHb7-QZLg&feature=BFa&list=PLAF1580E9E3F4D127)...

My girlfriend at the time watched me play Vesperia and consistently told me that Raven reminded her of me.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 24, 2012, 07:59:54 PM
Love the story too. Wish I could play Vesperia, because Yuri sounds awesome.
Add to that Vesparia's bizarrely random battle system

"random"?  How so?

I gotta echo that.  It's strange and sort of stiff to start, but I thought the flow was good and again used a range of characters each with strengths and weaknesses.

I'm a big Estelle fan myself, so I gotta question the hate on that.  I thought she was sweet, but not cavity-causing-anime-sweet. I liked how she was book smart, a kind of cute take on the tomboy princess trope.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on July 24, 2012, 08:10:50 PM
Love the story too. Wish I could play Vesperia, because Yuri sounds awesome.

Yuri is awesome, so is Judith, and Yuri's friend/rival (forgot-his-name). Unfortunately, the rest of the team is a wash of obnoxious tweens who seem to have to prove their tweeniehood every 30 seconds by saying something really immature. The female "lead" is a complete waste of a human being, and even as cool as Yuri is, as someone pointed out, his appeal is cut short by the fact that he is not only willing to hang with all of these idiots, but let them actually make important decisions! Add to that Vesparia's bizarrely random battle system, and you have a pretty flawed game.

Abyss is ugly as sin, but a wonderful experience that no one here will regret.

Currently playing Graces (on me new PS3). It's kiddy, but at least it aims to be kiddy, unlike Vesparia that acts like it's going to be mature, only to become "Tales of Babysitting"
Are you saying Raven is a tween? He's one of my favorite Tales characters. SEXUALITYYYY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAeHb7-QZLg&feature=BFa&list=PLAF1580E9E3F4D127)...

My girlfriend at the time watched me play Vesperia and consistently told me that Raven reminded her of me.

I don't remember that Victory quote, but chances are I got it once or twice and just forgot about it.

As for Estelle, I actually really liked her as a character. It's just her AI that sucked. In fact...I can't think of any character in ToV I really disliked. Maybe Karol, but he reminds me a bit of my little brother, so I find it hard to dislike him, even when he's being a pain. Other than that, they were all great. Yuri's one of my favorite characters of all time, in fact.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 24, 2012, 10:15:26 PM
I didn't like Karol's outfit... but by god I thought he was so cute.  He was a tank in battle, but I liked that scared-y-cat side of him, and his out-burst love confession to Nan later on.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on July 24, 2012, 10:32:14 PM
I'm actually about to beat Vesperia (can go to final dungeon anytime now) and I have to say, I love this cast. There's just something about this disparate group of personalities that gels well for me. Really, I like every single one of them, but this is not strange, since I haven't met a Tales party character I haven't liked. There are some I'm neutral about (Colette) but none that I didn't like. Raven is totes my fav character, though I do not like playing as him.

Abyss is still going to be the best Tales game for me (of the 3 I played), but this one is very close in quality. That being said:

Abyss's magic > Vesperia's magic. I just loved that magic in Abyss came essentially from music, while Vesperia's feels like it's being made up as it goes along.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on July 24, 2012, 10:50:00 PM
Nobody's mentioned the dog.  The dog rocked.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on July 24, 2012, 10:56:10 PM
The only Vesperia character I hate is Rita. She's that stupid ass violent girl archetype that Japanophile nerds always get off on, for some reason. She is needlessly violent for no readily apparent reason and makes googly faces at inanimate objects. Creepy.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on July 25, 2012, 04:10:05 AM
Rita was awesome because of one thing.

Blahblahblahtidalwave.

Also, Repede was so badass, he deserved his own game. He was the best fucking character ever.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on July 25, 2012, 01:44:51 PM
i wanted to like rita but she defrosted at an alarming rate. estelle's biggest problem is that she had a tough act to follow in in tear and natallia. and shes a member of what i consider to be the worst female cast of any tales game ive played.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on March 09, 2013, 03:09:45 PM
Can we rename this topic to Pales of Xillia yet??

http://youtu.be/JauPflRo8pE
English footage....fi-na-lee.
Jude sounds more manly!
...and so does Milla. :P
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on March 09, 2013, 04:06:18 PM
Seriously, Milla's voice....holy crap she sounds like a dude. But she sounds so hot still.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on March 09, 2013, 04:23:31 PM
Wow!  I was expecting deep, but that's deeper than expected.  I like it, it's nice to see deeper female voices in Japanese games.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on March 09, 2013, 04:24:18 PM
Seriously, Milla's voice....holy crap she sounds like a dude. But she sounds so hot still.

It's the attire and ridiculous sum of hair.  Plus that voice and sword will probably taunt and beat you into a sexy submission that takes this thread to places ...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on March 09, 2013, 04:25:34 PM
Seriously, Milla's voice....holy crap she sounds like a dude.

Holy shit yeah... totally some balls under that miniskirt.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 09, 2013, 04:35:38 PM
Seriously, Milla's voice....holy crap she sounds like a dude.

Holy shit yeah... totally some balls under that miniskirt.

Futanari?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on March 09, 2013, 05:05:03 PM
Now hold on, that skirt is REAAAAAALLLY short, and I don't think she's gonna be able to pack any extra baggage there.

Seriously, I'd let Milla beat the hell out of me. She's purdy, hee hee.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on March 10, 2013, 05:00:03 AM
Seriously, Milla's voice....holy crap she sounds like a dude.

Holy shit yeah... totally some balls under that miniskirt.

Futanari?

Probably the only logical explanation as to why a female finally got a legit leading role in a non-Tales of the World title.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on March 10, 2013, 11:54:17 AM
I'm astonished. I can't believe they gave her such an emotionless voice, unless there's a good reason for that.

Presea pulled that off very nicely. I'll have to wait and see how Millia develops.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on March 10, 2013, 12:01:51 PM
^ Now now, wait and judge for an actual cutscene or a skit.  Battles really don't say much about anything, 90% of that vid was grunts.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on March 10, 2013, 03:11:54 PM
Besides, Milla's backstory is she's really the great maxwell spirit. She's lived in semi isolation all her life, and only came out to deal with matter involving the lesser spirits. She's supposed to evolve as the game progresses.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on March 10, 2013, 04:19:49 PM
I'm liking the voices so far, and OMG that handshake dance Leia and Alvin did was adorbs.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on March 10, 2013, 07:03:39 PM
I'm liking the voices so far, and OMG that handshake dance Leia and Alvin did was adorbs.
That looked so pimp right there.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on March 10, 2013, 09:16:21 PM
(http://www.abload.de/img/aonp7v.gif)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bytor on March 10, 2013, 09:49:14 PM
AWESOME!!!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on March 10, 2013, 10:41:22 PM
I just wanted Pascal to jump in front of the camera and pose when that was happening....
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Embryon on March 11, 2013, 02:19:31 AM
Besides, Milla's backstory is she's really the great maxwell spirit. She's lived in semi isolation all her life, and only came out to deal with matter involving the lesser spirits. She's supposed to evolve as the game progresses.

Isn't that... kind of a spoiler...?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on March 11, 2013, 02:25:48 AM
Besides, Milla's backstory is she's really the great maxwell spirit. She's lived in semi isolation all her life, and only came out to deal with matter involving the lesser spirits. She's supposed to evolve as the game progresses.

Isn't that... kind of a spoiler...?
Oh yes...

Give me a shotgun.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on March 11, 2013, 03:10:28 AM
It's not really a spoiler, it's pretty common knowledge that her name is Milla Maxwell. Her character entry in the manual even says she's the great spirit. Now if I told you that....wait, that'd be a spoiler, hee hee hee.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on March 12, 2013, 06:39:58 AM
this video has been removed by the user. wat?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on March 19, 2013, 01:25:04 PM
Milla's Battle video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=562cFe6rsc8
Good battle voice, her sentences are kinda stoic though...

Jude's Battle Video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Tjy-1DQA2g
Works, better than the JPN voice for sure
Any reason for changing his name to "Jyde" for the German release? FB NB is saying it was for obvious reasons
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on March 19, 2013, 01:57:32 PM
Milla's voice should have been done by Ali Hillis, aka Lightning. Pretty sure Milla and Lightning may as well have been the same character, lol.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on March 19, 2013, 02:11:41 PM
Milla's voice should have been done by Ali Hillis, aka Lightning. Pretty sure Milla and Lightning may as well have been the same character, lol.

Milla's a lot more lively -- she's anime that way. >___>
Ali Hillis would be just too type-casted on that, so I wouldn't want it, even if it did suit.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on March 19, 2013, 02:13:08 PM
Any reason for changing his name to "Jyde" for the German release? FB NB is saying it was for obvious reasons

Jude 
Ju•de, m, ENGLISH: Jew
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on March 19, 2013, 02:49:30 PM
Any reason for changing his name to "Jyde" for the German release? FB NB is saying it was for obvious reasons

Jude 
Ju•de, m, ENGLISH: Jew

Yeah, I should have known.  Funny enough, "Jyde" sounds like "Jew" in my other-than-English language now.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on March 21, 2013, 06:59:15 PM
Graces f is going digital

Xillia [re]confirmed for Summer.

Apparently more surprises for a Tales-filled year, but I'm not the speculating type.
Thanks Hideo Baba! (https://twitter.com/tales_ch/status/314759664157999104).  I love that strange looking man all of a sudden.
(I'd die happy if they said Vesperia PS3 and Destiny PS2...!!!)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on March 21, 2013, 07:42:43 PM
I love how every time Namco says 'surprise' everyone goes VESPERIA PS3!!!111!

I know, I want it too deep down ;_;
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on March 21, 2013, 08:00:36 PM
I played Vesperia PS3, you're really not missing that much.

I wonder how many of the people whining about it would actually buy it if it came out today...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on March 21, 2013, 08:18:21 PM
I played Vesperia PS3, you're really not missing that much.

I wonder how many of the people whining about it would actually buy it if it came out today...

I agree, the improvements on the PS3 are minimal.  Buut a few things to remember:
(1a) Not everyone has an XBox
(1b) Some have dead Xbox's now that won't play Vesperia360 anymore

(2) We've been pretty teased and strung along like a crush that won't stop flirting with you but doesn't want anything to do with you (like FilthieRich using the VespPS3 logo to his Graces teaser image; apparently additional voicework was on the 360 game and Troy Baker saying it was good to go; and that recent Playstation poll putting VesPS3 in its "RPG" category as an example for "what genres we want to see")

(3) It really hurts because it was almost *disturbingly* obvious that something was missing (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/Valkyrie963/Screenshot2012-04-04at102848PM.png) in Vesp360 (see bright red arrows)

(4) The Vita "efforts" for the DS "remakes" have been really bad.  At their best, they provide good nostalgia in a slightly updated form; and their worst, they look, play, and feel like they've been outsourced titles (which they are).  I think Innocence-R may actually hurt the brand on Western shores, while Hearts-R made a few questionable decisions about what was changed up.


Word around the campfire is thinking the "secret announcement" is about Xillia 2; which might make sense as far as getting voice actors back to reprise their roles (just get it all done while doing voices for Xill1), but may be too soon.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on March 23, 2013, 12:46:03 AM
Actually I've been playing Hearts R. Innocence R was dialed in at best but Hearts R is actually pretty decent! Hell, they actually spent some time on the game!

Don't get me wrong. It's no Xillia, or Vesperia. But damn if it isn't worth the money I paid for it, unlike Innocence R.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on March 23, 2013, 12:58:57 AM
It's one of those things where if I had to choose between having the mediocre remake or not at all, I'd go for the remake. But Hearts is the one I really want to try.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 05, 2013, 03:42:30 PM
http://kotaku.com/tales-rpgs-are-like-gumdrops-says-the-guy-who-makes-th-470869380

August 6th, apparently.

Which is sucky.  Why developers don't try to consciously release titles at the begining of summer (y'know, when their demographic is done with school) than the tail end or later is beyond me.

Also, while I'm not sure about the process of translating games -- this kinda sucks too because the voicework was completed way back in November.

Anyways, I like he gum drop analogy.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on April 05, 2013, 05:52:21 PM
Actually I think releasing in August is brilliant. Their one success other than Symphonia was released late summer. It's because people are having a summer drought and really want a new game to play and releasing it in August is like giving a guy a bottle of water after three days in the desert.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on April 05, 2013, 06:11:58 PM
So what was the secret announcement in the end?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 06, 2013, 10:26:55 AM
^I think it was the voice actor reveal, the Milla figure (Ichibichan's, not ALter), and that they're keeping "Progress" in... yeah.

For a "Tales-filled year", we're not getting the Vita titles (personally, I thought it was a smart move), but I just wonder what we're gonna see...  Xillia 2? 

I'd like more PSN support, I guess.

Or Vesperia 2 announcement :D (given the abrupt, one-minute ending of the first title, if they're "cool" with making sequels, and I guess it would be "cheap" too if they reuse some resources).

Ho-hum.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on April 06, 2013, 02:24:15 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they were localizing Xillia 2 in parallel with Xillia (after all, many of the voice actors are the same) so "Tales-filled year" could imply a Xillia 2 release later this year...one can always hope, anyway.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 06, 2013, 02:26:29 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they were localizing Xillia 2 in parallel with Xillia (after all, many of the voice actors are the same) so "Tales-filled year" could imply a Xillia 2 release later this year...one can always hope, anyway.

I think it makes the most sense too.  I'd go so far as to think they may have Xill2 voice acting done while they could get a hold of the vice actors or schedule them again or something *shrug*
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 06, 2013, 03:13:45 PM
Supposedly now, Xillia is gonna see an early august release. I hope its not bullshut, cuz that would be awesometastic.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on April 07, 2013, 03:05:58 AM
my local gamestop has it listed for july
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on April 07, 2013, 07:21:49 PM
my local gamestop has it listed for july

I triple checked and every gamestop still has it listed for july with not so much as a whisper of a delay abound... I'm hoping for july personally to put some distance between this and some of the stuff I'm looking forward to in the fall.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on April 07, 2013, 07:30:40 PM
Namco Bandai said August 6th themselves at a media event last week.  Maybe Gamestop should talk to them...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 07, 2013, 09:33:02 PM
Kevaude heard (read) the same thing I did, so I'm inclined to go with that. Even so, August 6th is a FUCKTON faster than I expected.

Gamestop's generally retarded btw, as shown by my horrible experience with MGR Revengeance. I still am bittered by this.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on April 07, 2013, 10:21:17 PM
August 6th is fast?  That's nearly two years since it came out in Japan...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 07, 2013, 10:24:03 PM
August 6th is fast?  That's nearly two years since it came out in Japan...

And voice recording was done since November, meaning them voices we hear are almost a year old.

Furthermore, unless the Gamestop emp did something personally awful, keep in mind it's our head office that's made up of monkeys that are picking and eating the bugs and other crumbs off each other's backs.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 07, 2013, 11:20:13 PM
Tales of Vesperia PS3....

August 6th is a fuckton sooner than I expected to see Xillia, as I never expected to see it period.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on April 07, 2013, 11:28:37 PM
Oh come on, we got Vesperia and we all know why we didn't get the PS3 version (Microsoft paid for it).  It was announced that Xillia was coming last year, so why are you acting surprised now?  Especially after we got Graces f, which frankly was less expected.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 07, 2013, 11:52:28 PM
Oh come on, we got Vesperia and we all know why we didn't get the PS3 version (Microsoft paid for it).  It was announced that Xillia was coming last year, so why are you acting surprised now?  Especially after we got Graces f, which frankly was less expected.
Dude, when it comes to Tales, anything we get is like a kiss from a pretty girl (boy if you swing that way). I'm always happy if I get it, I don't care when I get it as long as I get it, and if I don't get it, I just keep on trucking at this point, cuz dem ladies is flaky
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on April 08, 2013, 12:22:12 AM
Could be that they're waiting for the summer because that's generally a slower release time, and the drought would give the game a better chance of scoring some extra impulse sales.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: GuardianBoi on April 08, 2013, 01:32:13 AM

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Dude, when it comes to Tales, anything we get is like a kiss from a pretty girl (boy if you swing that way). I'm always happy if I get it, I don't care when I get it as long as I get it, and if I don't get it, I just keep on trucking at this point, cuz dem ladies is flaky
[/quote]

..."cuz dem ladies is flaky". words to live by, my friend. words to live by. :)

And I'm kind of in the middle. I'm happy to know exactly when it's coming(hopefully), but I'm sad that I still have to wait a few months. I'm ready for this game and I've been ready since I finished Graces F over a year ago!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 08, 2013, 01:46:26 AM
To be honest, I was preparing for a rerun of Vesperia or maybe Symphonia again finally. Knowing this is gonna be here in 4 months makes it easy to skip that for now.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: GuardianBoi on April 08, 2013, 02:16:56 PM
To be honest, I was preparing for a rerun of Vesperia or maybe Symphonia again finally. Knowing this is gonna be here in 4 months makes it easy to skip that for now.

I know I'm planning on replaying Graces...maybe. I'll have a few games to keep my busy in the mean time. I still gotta finish Ni No Kuni. Project X Zone isn't too far off either. Plus my back log of games that I'm yet to pick up again. Haha!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 08, 2013, 07:08:45 PM
I may be able to pull off a solid Symphonia run if I can get my hands on my Wii again. My sister's a bit of a grubby whore about it, always saying it's hers even though I paid for half of it, and bought EVERYTHING she has for it. I did graces F well enough that I don't need to go back anytime soon.

Personally, I think I oughta re-do my Abyss run, got to the last third of the game and just got sidetracked in life. Sucks, was enjoying it immensely.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: GuardianBoi on April 09, 2013, 12:19:51 AM
I may be able to pull off a solid Symphonia run if I can get my hands on my Wii again. My sister's a bit of a grubby whore about it, always saying it's hers even though I paid for half of it, and bought EVERYTHING she has for it. I did graces F well enough that I don't need to go back anytime soon.

Personally, I think I oughta re-do my Abyss run, got to the last third of the game and just got sidetracked in life. Sucks, was enjoying it immensely.

yes! Do that!! Abyss is fantastic!!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on April 09, 2013, 02:10:33 PM
I may be able to pull off a solid Symphonia run if I can get my hands on my Wii again. My sister's a bit of a grubby whore about it, always saying it's hers even though I paid for half of it, and bought EVERYTHING she has for it. I did graces F well enough that I don't need to go back anytime soon.

Personally, I think I oughta re-do my Abyss run, got to the last third of the game and just got sidetracked in life. Sucks, was enjoying it immensely.

Same thing happened to me with abyss!

I also never played vesperia because of it x-box exclusiveness. I got an x-box not too long ago with soul purpose of playing the title actually-LoL

 I really wanted to get to vesperia soon. It was my next intended venture so to speak. But I fear if I do a tales run now I may burn myself out a bit for xilia later this year. But seeing as how now its august as opposed to july maybe I'll reconsider...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on April 10, 2013, 01:54:09 AM
I wanted to play Graces and Xillia, but I'm probably going to buy a Wii U over a PS3 at this point considering it's at the end of its run and there's not much else for the system I want. You think I'll be able to download/stream them on the PS4 when that comes out? I already know buying the actual discs would be useless because of the "no backwards compatibiliy" thing, but I'm not really sure how the other two are going to work.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on April 10, 2013, 02:07:30 AM
You think I'll be able to download/stream them on the PS4 when that comes out?

Downloading changes nothing.  The lack of backwards compatibility has everything to do with the processor and nothing to do with the discs.

Supposedly Sony is working on some sort of streaming thing, but I wouldn't count on it.  I'm not sold on game-streaming tech in generally, it doesn't sound like it will be there at launch, and even when it does arrive who knows what the library of supported titles will be like.

If you want to play these games then get a PS3 when the price drops (there has to be a price drop soon, they didn't even drop it when they introduced the super slim model and now the PS4 is imminent).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on April 10, 2013, 10:42:46 AM
Well that stinks. :/ Looks like I'm just missing out on these ones then.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on April 10, 2013, 03:08:36 PM
Well that stinks. :/ Looks like I'm just missing out on these ones then.

Now, now, I would become a negative-nel over it (see what I did there... your name is nel...LoL) if I were you.

I personally think Kevadu is right about a ps3 price drop. Actually I think he is right in a huge way. If you look at the prices of ps3 games pre-owned now (not too expensive) and take into account how long the ps3 has been in production you can see that in the not so distant future, these systems and games are going to be hella-accessible pretty cheap. In other words, whereas in the past it took many years for games and systems to devalue and get mega price-cuts, I really don't think your going to be waiting that long to see the same relative drop in this gens hardware and software.

In fact I'll be so bold as to predict that shortly after the release of the PS4, if you watch ebay instead of retailers, you can get at least some model of the ps3 and a copy of graces F for under a 100 bucks. And  if that is not the case, I at least garuntee you'll be able to get the system for that.

I may sound nuts but I really believe with how long this gen has been around in high production there is gonna be more hardware floating around that people are trying to pawn off, come this time next year, than you can shake a stick at.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 10, 2013, 03:47:07 PM
Personally, I think investing in a Wii U right now is silly, you'd be better off buying the PS3, especially if it's for filling RPG needs. Wii U has nothing interesting out right now, and isn't getting much for a while. Xenoblade 2....maybe but that's a bajillion years away yet.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on April 10, 2013, 07:16:54 PM
Well then... I will think about it. *strokes beard thoughtfully*

Though I still want a Wii U. The Lego game actually looks pretty awesome, from what I've watched on YouTube.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 11, 2013, 01:28:57 PM
CE for NA and Europe for $99 (and whatever EU equivalent of $99 is).

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/11/tales-of-xillia-collectors-edition-includes-milla-figurine-and-art-book/

Comes with what looks like the Ichibichan figure (http://myfigurecollection.net/item/110622), artbook, music, and special box (lawls).  I want.  I think.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on April 11, 2013, 02:07:52 PM
CE for NA and Europe for $99 (and whatever EU equivalent of $99 is).

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/11/tales-of-xillia-collectors-edition-includes-milla-figurine-and-art-book/

Comes with what looks like the Ichibichan figure (http://myfigurecollection.net/item/110622), artbook, music, and special box (lawls).  I want.  I think.

Special Edition for only...$100 bux!!!!! :stonk:

I can't afford that even if I wanted it. Not like the preorders haven't already been cleaned out in a 50 mile radius from where I live already (if there was ever going to be one retailed within this timezone to begin with).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on April 11, 2013, 02:08:41 PM
I hope they handle it better than with Ni No Kuni.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on April 11, 2013, 02:12:26 PM
Not crazy about the figure, honestly.  I would rather have a cheaper special edition with just the soundtrack and art book...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 11, 2013, 02:22:11 PM
Not crazy about the figure, honestly.  I would rather have a cheaper special edition with just the soundtrack and art book...

The Ichibichan Yuri (http://myfigurecollection.net/item/110624) figure is pretty badass, and I admire that the figure takes on Inomata's artwork, but yeah, I'm not too crazy about it either.  I want to get it because, really, how often do CE's of a Tales game really roll around??  The artbook might be nice.... but that's just me. :P
(NISA is crazy about them, the catch being I don't want most of their releases...c'est la vie)

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on April 11, 2013, 02:28:01 PM
My body is ready.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 11, 2013, 02:32:59 PM
EDIT~~!!!

Reading that there MIGHT be a Day 1 collector's that's without the figure.  So kevadu gets his wish!
http://gallery.abyssalchronicles.com/displayimage.php?album=496&pos=207
Giant image, sorry.  Seems like the artbook is half the size.

EDIT: DLC as well.  I'm guessing the Stahn/Cless outfits for Jude and Milla
(http://www.talesofgame.com/images/ce-mockup_uk.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 11, 2013, 02:37:56 PM
I wonder if they'll have any extra costume DLC besides the ones released in asialand.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on April 11, 2013, 02:39:12 PM
Probably not, but I don't look forward to paying another $4 just for a swimsuit for one character.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 11, 2013, 02:41:47 PM
Probably not, but I don't look forward to paying another $4 just for a swimsuit for one character.

Honestly though, her beach outfit -- hell, any outfit --- is more appealing than her standard hooker attire.

I'm guessing we're going to be nixed from the anime-related DLC (hopefully we get the Madoka ones?  Those were kinda cool and it's relevant here...two years after the Japanese release...) but get the rest of the beach, maid, cameo clothes.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on April 11, 2013, 02:43:32 PM
You mean Millas? Her beach outfit was even more stripperific, though.

Also, I would imagine licensing fees provide significant hurdles for anime-based costumes.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 11, 2013, 02:51:06 PM
It's idiotic to think that paying the fee for use overseas wouldn't carry over here. But hey, asshole business is assholish.

Whatever happened to the idea of free endorsements? I mean, if I saw a pepsi bottle in Tales of Vesperia, wouldn't it be a solid means of bringing pepsi more business? How come Namco has to pay a comapny to basically spread the word about their characters, creations, etc? I'd be stoked if they came forward and asked to use my likeness in Xillia for even a dumbass character, and I know if Jude had a Robin costume in game, it'd make some more DC fans out of people.

Speaking of DC....Wonder Woman costume for Milla.....oooohhhh
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 11, 2013, 02:52:35 PM
You mean Millas? Her beach outfit was even more stripperific, though.

Also, I would imagine licensing fees provide significant hurdles for anime-based costumes.

Yeah.  Damn shame, because seeing Mami strut around in 3D would be awesome. D:

Also, I think what I'm trying to say is that the beach one at least tones it down and makes her wear something less tacky, because it's just simple.

AGENT: I love your Wonderwoman Idea. o_o !!!  Or in a Rogue outfit.  Holy shit why aren't Marvel/DC joining this!?  Haha
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on April 11, 2013, 03:03:33 PM
That LE looks mighty fine to me! They got my hundred bucks :)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on April 11, 2013, 09:31:24 PM
I'm curious about what's happened at Namco Bandai. With a couple fumbles, they've suddenly really gotten into the niche RPG scene in North America. Tales of Graces f, Tales of Xillia and Ni No Kuni, I can see them expecting a profit, but Project X Zone? Are they trying to muscle in on the Atlus/Xseed/Aksys/NISA market?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on April 11, 2013, 10:20:54 PM
I'm with you Dice; I really don't like Milla's outfit. I do, however, [gay]love her hair design[/gay]. I dunno, it's just so big, and thick and full, I can't help but love it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 11, 2013, 10:26:31 PM
I'm with you Dice; I really don't like Milla's outfit. I do, however, [gay]love her hair design[/gay]. I dunno, it's just so big, and thick and full, I can't help but love it.

I love it because I wonder how it all fits on that scalp without one hair splitting into two hairs but of the same thickness.  Then I get confused and assume her hair just divided by zero or something.

I get frustrated with her hair when I think about washing it....
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: lavarock on April 11, 2013, 10:37:18 PM
First collector Edition I will buy
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 12, 2013, 04:44:07 AM
First collector Edition I will buy
Why did you color Terra black for an avatar? I sad face at this....Terra is so awesome

I don't know if I'll be buying this collectors edition, as the metal gear 150 dollar box of omgwtf still pisses me off. Shame, cuz that Milla figure would go great with my Batman figure from DCU Online.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on April 12, 2013, 06:34:22 AM
ive seen video of milllia in some kind of suit *drools*
i do hope that wasnt an anime costume.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 12, 2013, 01:29:47 PM
First collector Edition I will buy
Why did you color Terra black for an avatar? I sad face at this....Terra is so awesome

Mourning the General. :(

(http://zharth.tenjou.net/ffvi/chars/leo.gif)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Spoony Mage on April 12, 2013, 02:11:17 PM
(http://www.abload.de/img/aonp7v.gif)
That is probably the coolest victory dance I have ever seen in a JRPG...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Arhkaos on April 12, 2013, 03:33:35 PM
The CE is up on gamestop.com! Just pre-ordered it, it will fit nicely next to the Ni No Kuni's Wizard's Edition^^
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on April 12, 2013, 04:20:07 PM
First collector Edition I will buy
Why did you color Terra black for an avatar? I sad face at this....Terra is so awesome

Mourning the General. :(

(http://zharth.tenjou.net/ffvi/chars/leo.gif)

I figured it was to reflect Terra's Dissida personality.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: lavarock on April 12, 2013, 08:38:01 PM
First collector Edition I will buy
Why did you color Terra black for an avatar? I sad face at this....Terra is so awesome

I don't know if I'll be buying this collectors edition, as the metal gear 150 dollar box of omgwtf still pisses me off. Shame, cuz that Milla figure would go great with my Batman figure from DCU Online.

I don't know.. goes well with the background?

Anyway $100 for a limited CE seems to be very reasonable, and I probably will reconsider this decision if it's charged at $150.  The figurine looks great and sealed the deal.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: GuardianBoi on April 12, 2013, 10:03:34 PM
The CE is up on gamestop.com! Just pre-ordered it, it will fit nicely next to the Ni No Kuni's Wizard's Edition^^

Meeeeee tooooooooo! I couldn't throw my money at them fast enough.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on April 13, 2013, 02:47:19 AM
Woo-hoo my pre-order is in! If I have a good week business wise I am totally grabbing a second one of these to keep sealed. Bamco is really knocking it out of the park with their LE's (ni no's was awesome, exclusiveness and availability aside).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 14, 2013, 12:56:20 AM
I'm real blue Canada is everything BUT mentioned for the CE.  That's like....almost RACISTSheesh (or Nation-ist? Countrist??)  I'm hoping we hear something by Monday.  If not, get ready for me to bug fellow Fanners to be paid for their American-priveldge. D:
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on April 14, 2013, 01:58:34 AM
Kinda torn about the CE. Not that it isn't fantastic, because it certainly is, but I have enough crap just lying around that I don't know if a Milla statue would get any use at all. To be perfectly honest, the only collector's bonus item that I've gotten any real mileage out of is that mousepad from Agarest War 1, and I use it proudly to this day.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on April 14, 2013, 03:55:27 PM
I'm real blue Canada is everything BUT mentioned for the CE.  That's like....almost RACISTSheesh (or Nation-ist? Countrist??)  I'm hoping we hear something by Monday.  If not, get ready for me to bug fellow Fanners to be paid for their American-priveldge. D:

Maybe even Commune-ist. :v

Or perhaps this is the price for having retailers breaking street dates like it ain't no thang.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on April 14, 2013, 04:46:58 PM
Kinda torn about the CE. Not that it isn't fantastic, because it certainly is, but I have enough crap just lying around that I don't know if a Milla statue would get any use at all. To be perfectly honest, the only collector's bonus item that I've gotten any real mileage out of is that mousepad from Agarest War 1, and I use it proudly to this day.

I still use my agarest mousepad too!!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 14, 2013, 10:40:12 PM
I'm real blue Canada is everything BUT mentioned for the CE.  That's like....almost RACISTSheesh (or Nation-ist? Countrist??)  I'm hoping we hear something by Monday.  If not, get ready for me to bug fellow Fanners to be paid for their American-priveldge. D:

Maybe even Commune-ist. :v

Or perhaps this is the price for having retailers breaking street dates like it ain't no thang.

...shit.... karma biting my butt. 


EDIT: Shit.  Xillia has me worried in that I really don't think a battle system is going to make me as happy as the pinacle that Graces reached.  Made worse by the glaring flaws in Xillia's battle system from the get-go.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on April 15, 2013, 01:00:08 PM

EDIT: Shit.  Xillia has me worried in that I really don't think a battle system is going to make me as happy as the pinacle that Graces reached.  Made worse by the glaring flaws in Xillia's battle system from the get-go.

That is my biggest concern as well. I LOVED the graces F battle system. Going back to something more abyss-ish will really feel like de-evolvotion  to a certain extent.

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on April 15, 2013, 02:39:14 PM
I didn't really like Graces' battle system, simply because the game's difficulty forced you to be good at it. I've never been all that good at Tales' battle system, but at least with games like Abyss and Vesperia, the game let you experience just about everything the games had to offer without being a master of the battle system.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on April 15, 2013, 05:13:50 PM

EDIT: Shit.  Xillia has me worried in that I really don't think a battle system is going to make me as happy as the pinacle that Graces reached.  Made worse by the glaring flaws in Xillia's battle system from the get-go.

That is my biggest concern as well. I LOVED the graces F battle system. Going back to something more abyss-ish will really feel like de-evolvotion  to a certain extent.



While I agree that Graces has an amazingly deep battle system (that I'm still getting the hang of), I won't hate a return to a Vesperia/Abyss style battle system. I loved fighting in Vesperia, so even if it is a step down, I'm sure it will still be fun.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on April 15, 2013, 05:23:12 PM
kinda funny since i felt graces battle system was dumbed down for wii mote play you have less freedom to make your own como like you could in abyss.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on April 16, 2013, 10:48:19 AM
Kinda torn about the CE. Not that it isn't fantastic, because it certainly is, but I have enough crap just lying around that I don't know if a Milla statue would get any use at all. To be perfectly honest, the only collector's bonus item that I've gotten any real mileage out of is that mousepad from Agarest War 1, and I use it proudly to this day.

Are you in Europe? If so, you could always get the Day One Edition. (http://images.vg247.com/current//2013/04/2127_ToX_D1_mock_up_final.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on April 16, 2013, 02:04:48 PM
I don't know what came over me last night when I went to pick up Soul Hackers at the midnight release for Injustice but I simply could not help myself... I pre-purchased another Xilia LE... they told me I could buy a third if I wanted... I can see this becoming a problem if I let it...

In other news I am happy to hear that the Tales series will never become Skyrim.-Lol
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/15/tales-of-producer-talks-about-jrpg-changes-over-15-years-of-tales/

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on April 17, 2013, 12:57:46 AM
Kinda torn about the CE. Not that it isn't fantastic, because it certainly is, but I have enough crap just lying around that I don't know if a Milla statue would get any use at all. To be perfectly honest, the only collector's bonus item that I've gotten any real mileage out of is that mousepad from Agarest War 1, and I use it proudly to this day.

Are you in Europe? If so, you could always get the Day One Edition. (http://images.vg247.com/current//2013/04/2127_ToX_D1_mock_up_final.jpg)

I am not, but that is a sweet deal. Still, artbooks and soundtracks come to my place to die, unfortunately. I usually give the book a look through once or twice, but they never really sweeten the pot. And soundtracks might get a listen, but usually if there's a song from the game I wanna hear I go to YouTube. I know, I'm horrible :/.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: lavarock on April 17, 2013, 09:17:58 PM
I personally think Graces F's battle system is the best in the series.  They have really pretty much perfected it.  I don't see a tales game with much more improvement in the system itself... I really hope they keep most elements of it.

The things I really liked about graces f' system comparing to Vesperia, Abyss, Symphonia, and so on:

1) Give you rewards for actually turning up the difficultly
2) Allow you to unlock all difficulties in one playthrough, which means you can experience almost everything in one play-though
3) Godly number of mystic artes
4) Combo activated MA, which rewards high # of hits
5) Switch characters on the fly without cycling, this is important and open up a lot of single player combo opportunities.  I believe this is the first in the series to do so
6) Multiple way to learn/earn artes
7) If you are good at the battle system, you can master the titles really quickly, very few/almost no grindings needed.
8) Varieties of optional bosses

I can go on and on..

Personally think Graces F is the pinnacle of JRPG battle system/mechanics design.  This is it, there will be no better ones.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on April 18, 2013, 01:12:54 AM
thats like saying p4a is the pinnacle of fighting games because it has auto combos. cause what it actually is.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on April 18, 2013, 07:45:17 AM
1) Give you rewards for actually turning up the difficultly

This.
Most Tales do it too, but I feel this one gives you enough to make you want to do it while the other games usually just feel cheap at the risk VS reward.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 18, 2013, 11:22:00 AM
1) Give you rewards for actually turning up the difficultly

This.
Most Tales do it too, but I feel this one gives you enough to make you want to do it while the other games usually just feel cheap at the risk VS reward.

I agree, I think the battle system is near-perfect (certainly makes up for any of the others games flaws - though I do like the overall themes of it).  Abyss' idea of "difficulty" was one of the worst though (high damage, high HP...  AI).
Hope we see this style of combat again next Tales.  I'm cool with TP and all, but I loved the flexibility of Graces' system.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 18, 2013, 11:35:19 AM
I still prefer vesperia's battle system as it's more reminiscent of a fighting thanks to the 2D plane for fighting. The overhead 3D in Graces F made it feel less like a fighting game and more like a basic action game with combos. It's not to say it's bad, but I enjoy the fighting game style over the action game style, especially being a fan of games like Marvel vs Capcom, Tekken, and soul caliber. My fighting game appreciation hasn't died over the years, I just don't play them nearly as much as rpgs.

Oh yeah, I hated graces F's CC shit for limiting attacks, and the constant upgrading weapons to give you CC to get around that limitation. Even after getting around it, it was always at the back of my head to conserve CC for big attacks, which resulted in either me comboing for a straight 45 seconds or running around for 2 minutes waiting for an opening. It's a pet peeve at best, but it had to be said.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on April 18, 2013, 11:37:25 AM
Graces was the only game aside from the original Destiny that we got from Team Destiny. They made a lot less games than Team Symphonia IIRC.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on April 18, 2013, 11:47:45 AM
Oh yeah, I hated graces F's CC shit for limiting attacks, and the constant upgrading weapons to give you CC to get around that limitation. Even after getting around it, it was always at the back of my head to conserve CC for big attacks, which resulted in either me comboing for a straight 45 seconds or running around for 2 minutes waiting for an opening. It's a pet peeve at best, but it had to be said.

Sounds like you were playing it wrong.  Running around for 2 minutes?  CC recovers incredibly fast if you just sit still for a second...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 18, 2013, 11:54:01 AM
Oh yeah, I hated graces F's CC shit for limiting attacks, and the constant upgrading weapons to give you CC to get around that limitation. Even after getting around it, it was always at the back of my head to conserve CC for big attacks, which resulted in either me comboing for a straight 45 seconds or running around for 2 minutes waiting for an opening. It's a pet peeve at best, but it had to be said.

Sounds like you were playing it wrong.  Running around for 2 minutes?  CC recovers incredibly fast if you just sit still for a second...
I know, it was in regards to the fact that my assault opening had ended and I would work around for a new opening, like when an enemy whiffed a huve attack or started casting a spell. CC recharged rapidly while standing still, just couldn't stand still very often on higher difficulties, and trying to keep that no damage bonus on meant being careful.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 18, 2013, 12:03:03 PM
Oh yeah, I hated graces F's CC shit for limiting attacks, and the constant upgrading weapons to give you CC to get around that limitation. Even after getting around it, it was always at the back of my head to conserve CC for big attacks, which resulted in either me comboing for a straight 45 seconds or running around for 2 minutes waiting for an opening. It's a pet peeve at best, but it had to be said.

Sounds like you were playing it wrong.  Running around for 2 minutes?  CC recovers incredibly fast if you just sit still for a second...
I know, it was in regards to the fact that my assault opening had ended and I would work around for a new opening, like when an enemy whiffed a huve attack or started casting a spell. CC recharged rapidly while standing still, just couldn't stand still very often on higher difficulties, and trying to keep that no damage bonus on meant being careful.

Strafing takes 1CC (I *never* used Free Run in this), and if you evaded it restored cc so you could counter.  Successful hits to enemy weak spots could recharge CC as much as the whole thing (within your min-max of course).

I thought it was refreshing to get a battle system not based on MP for fucking once.  Previous Tales games are hardly so lenient in their skill usage and linking them isn't as much fun.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 18, 2013, 12:10:19 PM
I could argue further, but simply put I don't like getting hit, so being a weenie and running away while.CC recharged and enemies got distracted by Sophie was easier.

My big thing about Vesperia's battle system was Judith. Air combos are fun.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on April 18, 2013, 12:29:10 PM
Successful hits to enemy weak spots could recharge CC as much as the whole thing (within your min-max of course).

When I played last weekend, I realized how crazy this is. Late game, when you have a lot of CC, a FULL recovery is CRAZY. I was fighting an enemy at one point controlling Asbel and I went from 19 CC to 1 CC but my last hit gave me back a full 19 CC... crazy ass combo (then link that thing with a 75 hit free Mystic Art *drool*).

My big thing about Vesperia's battle system was Judith. Air combos are fun.

I actually played Vesperia with a friend. I was playing Yuri and my friend was Judith. He swears that it was awesome (I never really tried myself, it was his character).
One major thing Graces F did though is that playing a caster is fun. I played a bit of Rita and Estelle in Vesperia and it's just mind numbingly boring... and that's coming from the guy who prefers to play Rena over Claude in SO2.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 18, 2013, 01:17:02 PM
Successful hits to enemy weak spots could recharge CC as much as the whole thing (within your min-max of course).

When I played last weekend, I realized how crazy this is. Late game, when you have a lot of CC, a FULL recovery is CRAZY. I was fighting an enemy at one point controlling Asbel and I went from 19 CC to 1 CC but my last hit gave me back a full 19 CC... crazy ass combo (then link that thing with a 75 hit free Mystic Art *drool*).

Yeah, the game really makes it easier for you to combo later.  It's also refreshing to play a game where ATK and DEF aren't necessarily the bigger priorities over Accuracy and Evasion.  ....the criticals are brutal against enemies...and the party. ;(  (hard modes become really brutal for 1HKOs).

My big thing about Vesperia's battle system was Judith. Air combos are fun.

I actually played Vesperia with a friend. I was playing Yuri and my friend was Judith. He swears that it was awesome (I never really tried myself, it was his character).
One major thing Graces F did though is that playing a caster is fun. I played a bit of Rita and Estelle in Vesperia and it's just mind numbingly boring... and that's coming from the guy who prefers to play Rena over Claude in SO2.
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Yeah, I couldn't handle Judith either, then again, I usually have a tough go of someone *not* the main character (major exceptions being Guy from TotA and Chloe from Legendia for obvious reasons).  I do feel pretty comfy with a bunch of characters in Graces -- Hubert is a fucking king on the battle field, especially when linking A-to-B artes since he can pull off a spell with next to no wait time.  Rita was boring, I hated the fucking GRADE trick and I hate that she's the strongest mage due to some convenient loophole.

Speaking of TotA and good combat mechs... I wish FoF's would come back or some form of it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on April 18, 2013, 02:06:44 PM
I liked Judith quite a bit.  Once I got her in my party, I rarely used Yuri after that.  She was really fun to use and had an interesting moveset.  Also, I'll agree that using a variety of the cast for Graces F was fun.  Controlling different party members was fun because they were all fairly good in their own way.

I still prefer vesperia's battle system as it's more reminiscent of a fighting thanks to the 2D plane for fighting. The overhead 3D in Graces F made it feel less like a fighting game and more like a basic action game with combos.

I don't really get this point since the options let you toggle the camera between different types of field of vision quite a bit.  Between that and the zoom function, you could make the camera similar to games like Verspeia and Abyss.  Did you try playing around with the options?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 18, 2013, 03:32:53 PM
The camera options didn't change the control options though.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on April 18, 2013, 03:45:23 PM
Hubert is a fucking king on the battle field

Hubert burns through CC so quickly but he's incredibly strong. I need at one point to craft CC increasing gear for him and see how that goes.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 18, 2013, 03:51:59 PM
Hubert is a fucking king on the battle field

Hubert burns through CC so quickly but he's incredibly strong. I need at one point to craft CC increasing gear for him and see how that goes.

I find Hubert all about his B-artes.  His A's are....pretty much the same.  But Absolute Zero, Radial Arc, his Fire Bullet and Rolling Thunderbolt are absolutely badass. 

Malik is interesting as well.  For what looks like a heavy hitter we get an awesome mage with decent AI.

I think of all the cast, Pascal is unfortunately the odd woman out (or at least, high risk but with high reward...*shrug*). 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 18, 2013, 05:02:20 PM
The problem.with Graces is the entire team is astounding in player hands, but Asbel is probably the weakest out of player hands. From what I remember, Pascal was a powerhouse when player controlled, as was Malik, but Hubert and Cheria were top tier when used by players...odd considering Cheria is a healer.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 18, 2013, 05:04:09 PM
Team of Cheria's (4x) is the tits.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Monsoon on April 18, 2013, 05:19:32 PM
I've been playing Vesperia for the first time the past few weeks.  I was originally planning on playing it with a group, but we could never get the group together so I decided **** it.  I'll probably do the same for Graces F and Xillia over the next year or two.  Vesperia's fun.  The relationship between Yuri and Flynn *kind of* reminds me of Ramza and Delita, and the basic nuts and bolts of the combat and customization are very nice indeed.  The story hurtles along at a wacky pace, but so far I'm enjoying it.  Was surprised by two of the twists, not surprised by the other twenty-seven. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on April 18, 2013, 05:26:50 PM
Team of Cheria's (4x) is the tits.

Quad Malik with his tornado spell pretty much prevents any boss from moving.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 18, 2013, 05:33:24 PM
Team of Cheria's (4x) is the tits.

Quad Malik with his tornado spell pretty much prevents any boss from moving.

I'll keep that in mind with trophies.  Which tornado spell?  It took me forever to realize his arrows were his Accel till I used him (and man they're juicy for combos).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on April 18, 2013, 05:38:37 PM
I feel stupid now.  I didn't even know you could double up (let alone quadruple up...) characters...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: lavarock on April 18, 2013, 08:30:26 PM
thats like saying p4a is the pinnacle of fighting games because it has auto combos. cause what it actually is.

Not sure I get what you're saying, I wouldn't say that togf's system boils down to AAAA auto-combos.... It doesn't have the depth and difficulties of a fighting game like p4A, but you can easily spend hundres of hours to master the system.  l would rank the battle system as one of the deepest out there in jrpg in the current gen.

I thought it was refreshing to get a battle system not based on MP for fucking once.  Previous Tales games are hardly so lenient in their skill usage and linking them isn't as much fun.

Yeah, very much agreed.  It's nice to see the CC system making a come back since ToD.  It's not really restricting once you get used the upgrade system and starting having insane number of CCs... In the end game I never really run out it

Now thinking about it, Tales of Destiny on the PS2 is one of the best tales game I played and really digged the battle system.  Since togf is made by some of the same people... that's maybe why I liked the system so much xD

The problem.with Graces is the entire team is astounding in player hands, but Asbel is probably the weakest out of player hands. From what I remember, Pascal was a powerhouse when player controlled, as was Malik, but Hubert and Cheria were top tier when used by players...odd considering Cheria is a healer.

I don't' see this as a downside...  The system really encourage you to try all the chars with the fast switch system.  In Vesperia I really played only Yuri, and although I tried to main Judith but I just can't get hang of the air combos.  Rita and Estelle are boring to use...
In graces everyone was fun to play and powerful, and the cast is relatively small so it's easy to know how to play everyone.   This is a plus to me.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 18, 2013, 08:48:03 PM
thats like saying p4a is the pinnacle of fighting games because it has auto combos. cause what it actually is.

Not sure I get what you're saying, I wouldn't say that togf's system boils down to AAAA auto-combos.... It doesn't have the depth and difficulties of a fighting game like p4A, but you can easily spend hundres of hours to master the system.  l would rank the battle system as one of the deepest out there in jrpg in the current gen.

I thought it was refreshing to get a battle system not based on MP for fucking once.  Previous Tales games are hardly so lenient in their skill usage and linking them isn't as much fun.

Yeah, very much agreed.  It's nice to see the CC system making a come back since ToD.  It's not really restricting once you get used the upgrade system and starting having insane number of CCs... In the end game I never really run out it

Now thinking about it, Tales of Destiny on the PS2 is one of the best tales game I played and really digged the battle system.  Since togf is made by some of the same people... that's maybe why I liked the system so much xD

The problem.with Graces is the entire team is astounding in player hands, but Asbel is probably the weakest out of player hands. From what I remember, Pascal was a powerhouse when player controlled, as was Malik, but Hubert and Cheria were top tier when used by players...odd considering Cheria is a healer.

I don't' see this as a downside...  The system really encourage you to try all the chars with the fast switch system.  In Vesperia I really played only Yuri, and although I tried to main Judith but I just can't get hang of the air combos.  Rita and Estelle are boring to use...
In graces everyone was fun to play and powerful, and the cast is relatively small so it's easy to know how to play everyone.   This is a plus to me.

DEAR RPGFAN.  MAKE A BEST BATTLESYSTEMS FEATURE~!!!! (plz put Graces on that list -- it d'serves it)

And YES!  I think that's what one of the most important parts and and the point was made earlier that in Graces even the Mages are fun and easy to use (and it's titles, not a precious accessory slot, that can give you the "fast cast" ability on the fly).  I'd KILL someone to get ToD PS2 on the Playstation Network -- I've always heard how "amazing" it is, and I get jealous (ToD PSX being my first proper Tales game).

After hearing how killer Judith can be, I do wanna give her a shot.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on April 18, 2013, 08:53:18 PM
I think it's "Culling Flare" (think).
- Enable only that spell on X4 Malik
- Equip a B-Arts +XX% critical chance (super stagger time)

That's how I got the Evil difficulty clear on the last bosses.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 18, 2013, 09:00:04 PM
I think it's "Culling Flare" (think).
- Enable only that spell on X4 Malik
- Equip a B-Arts +XX% critical chance (super stagger time)

That's how I got the Evil difficulty clear on the last bosses.

Thanks Annubi.  I'll have to give that a shot~! x)
Meanwhile, I shamelessly use the piggyback method to score mad chedda on Rockgagong.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: lavarock on April 18, 2013, 10:28:58 PM
DEAR RPGFAN.  MAKE A BEST BATTLESYSTEMS FEATURE~!!!! (plz put Graces on that list -- it d'serves it)

And YES!  I think that's what one of the most important parts and and the point was made earlier that in Graces even the Mages are fun and easy to use (and it's titles, not a precious accessory slot, that can give you the "fast cast" ability on the fly).  I'd KILL someone to get ToD PS2 on the Playstation Network -- I've always heard how "amazing" it is, and I get jealous (ToD PSX being my first proper Tales game).

After hearing how killer Judith can be, I do wanna give her a shot.

Sounds like a great feature, RPGFAN DO IT!! XD

On this topic, I would nominate for the best battle system mechanics in RPGs
      * Tales of Grace F
      * Resonance of Fate (quirkiness and uniqueness, never played a game quite like that...)
      * Dark souls/Demons souls (if these are considered then these two games should obviously be up there for many reasons)
 
BTW, ToD remake on the ps2 is a great game.  It's very sad that a English version was never made. So glad that we are all getting localized tales games nowadays but anyways no point beating on this dead horse.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on April 19, 2013, 01:22:40 AM
thats like saying p4a is the pinnacle of fighting games because it has auto combos. cause what it actually is.

Not sure I get what you're saying, I wouldn't say that togf's system boils down to AAAA auto-combos.... It doesn't have the depth and difficulties of a fighting game like p4A, but you can easily spend hundres of hours to master the system.  l would rank the battle system as one of the deepest out there in jrpg in the current gen.

I thought it was refreshing to get a battle system not based on MP for fucking once.  Previous Tales games are hardly so lenient in their skill usage and linking them isn't as much fun.

Yeah, very much agreed.  It's nice to see the CC system making a come back since ToD.  It's not really restricting once you get used the upgrade system and starting having insane number of CCs... In the end game I never really run out it

Now thinking about it, Tales of Destiny on the PS2 is one of the best tales game I played and really digged the battle system.  Since togf is made by some of the same people... that's maybe why I liked the system so much xD

The problem.with Graces is the entire team is astounding in player hands, but Asbel is probably the weakest out of player hands. From what I remember, Pascal was a powerhouse when player controlled, as was Malik, but Hubert and Cheria were top tier when used by players...odd considering Cheria is a healer.

I don't' see this as a downside...  The system really encourage you to try all the chars with the fast switch system.  In Vesperia I really played only Yuri, and although I tried to main Judith but I just can't get hang of the air combos.  Rita and Estelle are boring to use...
In graces everyone was fun to play and powerful, and the cast is relatively small so it's easy to know how to play everyone.   This is a plus to me.

i dont think you get it. the battle system feels dumbed down for kids or something. in abyss you can do a combo of normal hits and change directional inputs at any time during that normal combo then link up to 3 special moves of your choice as longh as they connect of course. in graces many special moves are tied to auto combos. and by the time you get deep enough into that auto combo to do the special move your CC is probally depleted after it so you cant link specials to it. and in the case of a character like sophie many of her standalone specials are healing spells.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 19, 2013, 01:48:39 AM
^ While I don't argue that everyone has their views on the battle system, some love it, some rather stick with good ol' combo-n'-TP. 

Graces only LOOKS like an "auto-combo" system because the moves are all fancy and flashy and tend to hit quite a few times to build up that combo meter.  But looks are deceiving.

Every single arte (A & B) has 2-3 attributions (Asbel's Plasma Shock has [I think] the vs. Paralysis, vs. Slash, and vs. Beast attributes -- meaning it's good to use against an enemy who is weak to those, and some enemies can be weak against as many as six things).  Enemies attack fast, come if big groups, and tend to hit really hard, so you want to make use of the weaknesses.  Problem is, not many enemies would always "fit" straight chains (previous Tales games have you hold the Left Stick Up to attack aerial enemies or Down to get the crawling enemies).  So you have to link A artes to cater to specific weaknesses (the enemy has a Reptile element it's weak to in one of your A-artes, a Burn elements from another, but sometimes the directions change, so you have to link an "up-arte" with a "left-arte" and finally finish it with another "left-arte").  You can then link the basic attack A-artes with the more "flashy/magical" B-artes (which is ideal for a character like Hubert who, if you don't chain, have to wait to charge his spells, but when they're chained, they happen almost automatically).  It's not an auto-combo, it just looks fancy; YOU have to construct a combo that will deal the most damage.
(READ AGENT'S PARAGRAPH -- IT's BETTER)

Also, the CC meter becomes very, very lenient later on.  Not only when you get titles/weapons that increase your CC, but when you hit criticals (some skills let you recover as much as the whole goddamn bar so you're free to keep on chaining attacks) and get better at evading.  You will still run out, but it becomes easily replenished later to compensate for more chaotic fights and equipment that boosts the CC recovery time.

Also, combos for enemies are easy to break out of unless you've focused on accuracy, and enemies will critical the hell out of you unless you up your evasion (traits often deemed..."less important" previously).  Most Tales games are somewhat easy (as in some tough battles, generally easy main battles, and a few "wtf-hard" bonus battles); but the added kicker for this one was you'd get less SP for titles if you were over-levelled (which becomes especially problematic later on; title mastering is much better than level gaining).

If it is dumbed down, then my ass is getting handed to me quite a lot in the bonus dungeon because I suck ass at dodging, and I'm hardly gaining SP and Experience by this point.  It looks fancy, but I've had way more close calls in this title than any other Tales game.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 19, 2013, 02:02:03 AM
Graces F doesn't have a dumbed down battle system, it's far more detailed in regards to specializing attack strategies. They simplified controls, but gave it a more tactical feel, requiring you to check your opponent for weaknesses and capitalizing on them, instead of an overwhelming offensive in most other Tales games. I'm not saying I disliked any of the battle systems, Tales has always delivered fun through combat. I am saying that the 2D plane of combat is my preferred medium, which is what Alisha seems to be saying.

Tales rarely doesn't deliver the best combat system in a JRPG, and even their worst game still trumps most any other JRPG combat system.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 19, 2013, 02:11:49 AM
Ignore my first paragraph, Agent summed it better.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on April 19, 2013, 04:13:36 PM
i dont think you get it. the battle system feels dumbed down for kids or something. in abyss you can do a combo of normal hits and change directional inputs at any time during that normal combo then link up to 3 special moves of your choice as longh as they connect of course. in graces many special moves are tied to auto combos. and by the time you get deep enough into that auto combo to do the special move your CC is probally depleted after it so you cant link specials to it. and in the case of a character like sophie many of her standalone specials are healing spells.

LOL.  I don't know how you could call Graces F's system dumbed down when all you're arguing is mindlessly mashing 5B 2B 2B 5A 6A 6A in Abyss somehow takes some kind of skill that Graces F's system lacks.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 19, 2013, 04:35:53 PM
HEY this isn't fighter's generation, keep your arcade terminology outta here! Nyucknyuck.

But yeah, you've got a good point otherwise Akanbe. That's why I prefer Abyss and Vesperia and even symphonia. Makes it feel more arcade like, where again, graces feels more tactical. In a nutshell, vesperia and its ilk reward abusive combos, whereas graces rewards strategy, blocking, evasive actions, and so on.

Heh, I remember in tales of destiny that one ring that allowed you to use motions for artes instead of just button+direction. Now that was an awesome idea. Wonder if it'll ever happen again?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 21, 2013, 01:34:30 AM
https://twitter.com/TalesofU/status/324154629271220226

http://i.imgur.com/mKP5EHu.png

That's....strange. o_<
Someone fucked the pooch?

Baba admitting outright that nothing is happening with Vita's Innocence and Hearts is one thing, but he's been tight-lipped with regards to VesPS3.  Obviously nothing is outright being said here, but I *am* the type to read into a company tweeting "winks".
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on April 21, 2013, 04:34:39 AM
Tales fans will never be pleased.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on April 21, 2013, 10:15:06 AM
Tales fans will never be pleased.

Perhaps all future CE releases should come with an effigy of Namco Bandai to burn. I believe it would appeal to some of the "fans."
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 21, 2013, 11:20:59 AM
Quite frankly, I couldn't give a damn about Hearts and Innocence.  It's on an over-priced system and the games look like hell for a Vita title.  The fact Baba said he wasn't interested based on the Vita's less than stellar sales makes sense to me.  If anything, I'd give up a whole boob to see Tales of Destiny for the PS2 released on PSN.  Cuz hot damn.

The effigy is still a funny idea though.
And otherwise, I'm still a Tales enthusiast and the series makes me really happy as a (somewhat) reliably released JRPG that's usually/always "pretty good" or better. 

I mean:
'Shadow Hearts - Dead.
Wild Arms - Dead.
Breath of Fire - Dead.
Grandia - Dead.
Mana - Probably dead.
Arc the Lad - Dead after End of Darkness (though EoD wasn't great at all)
Might and Magic - Dead
Ultima - Dead
Onimusha - Likely dead."
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on April 21, 2013, 12:33:42 PM
Quite frankly, I couldn't give a damn about Hearts and Innocence.  It's on an over-priced system and the games look like hell for a Vita title.  The fact Baba said he wasn't interested based on the Vita's less than stellar sales makes sense to me.  If anything, I'd give up a whole boob to see Tales of Destiny for the PS2 released on PSN.  Cuz hot damn.

The effigy is still a funny idea though.
And otherwise, I'm still a Tales enthusiast and the series makes me really happy as a (somewhat) reliably released JRPG that's usually/always "pretty good" or better. 

I mean:
'Shadow Hearts - Dead.
Wild Arms - Dead.
Breath of Fire - Dead.
Grandia - Dead.
Mana - Probably dead.
Arc the Lad - Dead after End of Darkness (though EoD wasn't great at all)
Might and Magic - Dead
Ultima - Dead
Onimusha - Likely dead."


I completely agree with you Dice. I too would love to see the ToD remake; that would be totes baller. I like to think of myself as a Tales of fan as well, since the games scratch a very specific itch that no other game can. I was just more or less poking fun at the attitudes of some of the other fans. I certainly am proud to be a Tales of fan. :)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on April 21, 2013, 02:05:16 PM
im not saying i dont like the battle system but calling it the best tales battle system would offend me as much as someone saying smash bros is the best fighting game.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: lavarock on April 21, 2013, 03:25:22 PM
Baba admitting outright that nothing is happening with Vita's Innocence and Hearts is one thing, but he's been tight-lipped with regards to VesPS3.  Obviously nothing is outright being said here, but I *am* the type to read into a company tweeting "winks".

OMG, are they still fondling with this idea?? Why do they love to play with my emotions?

At this point, instead of vesperia ps3, I would prefer to move on and focusing on getting Xillia 1 and 2 quickly in the U.S.  Seriously, is there any point to release this now?

im not saying i dont like the battle system but calling it the best tales battle system would offend me as much as someone saying smash bros is the best fighting game.

To me, it's the most fun system I played in the series, and I've played most tales titles.  Maybe it's really pointless to argue what is the best seeing they all have upsides and flaws.  To me the graces one felt most satisfying and had least amount of flaws.  

BTW some people do consider smash as a great fighting game (and guess what it's in EVO this year).  I don't think it's the best fighting game but it apparently is good enough to have people donate enough money to see a >10 years old game to be in the main EVO event.

'Shadow Hearts - Dead.
Wild Arms - Dead.
Breath of Fire - Dead.
Grandia - Dead.
Mana - Probably dead.
Arc the Lad - Dead after End of Darkness (though EoD wasn't great at all)
Might and Magic - Dead
Ultima - Dead
Onimusha - Likely dead."

And Suikoden is mostly dead.  And Valkyrie Profile series, and star ocean series (will they make a new one?) /sadface

In the upside, we have the new IPs like Souls games, and Ni no kuni.  And some old ones are going strong like tales and Atelier.  So it's not all bad really.  
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on April 21, 2013, 04:12:24 PM
im not saying i dont like the battle system but calling it the best tales battle system would offend me as much as someone saying smash bros is the best fighting game.

It's the best Tales battle system.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on April 21, 2013, 04:27:58 PM
now your just trolling
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on April 21, 2013, 04:42:52 PM
Is the Xillia CE GameStop-only in North America?  All I'm seeing is "participating retailers," which doesn't tell me much, and the promo image only shows a URL for the PAL version.

I'd prefer not to buy from GameStop if possible.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on April 21, 2013, 05:00:06 PM
now your just trolling

No, I was just stating my opinion.  You are free to state yours, of course, but you seem intent on not respecting any other points of view.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 21, 2013, 11:13:08 PM
Is the Xillia CE GameStop-only in North America?  All I'm seeing is "participating retailers," which doesn't tell me much, and the promo image only shows a URL for the PAL version.

I'd prefer not to buy from GameStop if possible.

You're about a week late.  EBgames.ca had it, but for like a few days. =/
Indie stores a go-go...or Gamestop + $20 shipping like a muthafucker. 

DESPPAAAIIR
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwgrgqtbUX1qc6b9bo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on April 22, 2013, 04:15:39 AM
Might and Magic - Dead
Ultima - Dead

Whoa whoa whoa. Back that up sister. You greatly (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/portalarium/shroud-of-the-avatar-forsaken-virtues-0) exaggerate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWvpD-w0BCY) the reports of their deaths.


im not saying i dont like the battle system but calling it the best tales battle system would offend me as much as someone saying smash bros is the best fighting game.

It's the best Tales battle system.

Also; ^this.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on April 22, 2013, 02:59:38 PM
Quite frankly, I couldn't give a damn about Hearts and Innocence.  It's on an over-priced system and the games look like hell for a Vita title.  The fact Baba said he wasn't interested based on the Vita's less than stellar sales makes sense to me.  If anything, I'd give up a whole boob to see Tales of Destiny for the PS2 released on PSN.  Cuz hot damn.

Agree.  Hell, I'd pay full price for a legitimate translated copy.  I like Tales of Destiny so I was always sad we never got the sequel.

Also heard we missed out on Tales of Rebirth and that it was pretty good as well.  I remember someone on rpgfan saying otherwise that it was mediocre, but don't remember why or who.  I'd still like to play it though.

Might and Magic - Dead
Ultima - Dead

Whoa whoa whoa. Back that up sister. You greatly (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/portalarium/shroud-of-the-avatar-forsaken-virtues-0) exaggerate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWvpD-w0BCY) the reports of their deaths.


It's the best Tales battle system.
Also; ^this.

Thirded.  One of the only Tales that, like others have said earlier, that playing any character is not only a viable option but a fun one as well.  Truthfully Vesperia could have been as well but I pretty much stuck to Yuri or Judith.  Tried old-man-bow-user and didn't find it very fun and he seemed weaker.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ranadiel on April 23, 2013, 06:40:21 AM
Is the Xillia CE GameStop-only in North America?  All I'm seeing is "participating retailers," which doesn't tell me much, and the promo image only shows a URL for the PAL version.

I'd prefer not to buy from GameStop if possible.

Might not be an issue any more since it seems that the Collector's Edition is no longer available even from Gamestop.....unfortunatly I found this out when I was planning on preordering it. >.>
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on April 23, 2013, 06:58:26 AM
CE's on Amazon now. (http://www.amazon.com/Tales-Xillia-Collectors-Edition-Playstation-3/dp/B00CEJ28JQ/)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on April 23, 2013, 09:37:14 AM
Is the Xillia CE GameStop-only in North America?  All I'm seeing is "participating retailers," which doesn't tell me much, and the promo image only shows a URL for the PAL version.

I'd prefer not to buy from GameStop if possible.

Might not be an issue any more since it seems that the Collector's Edition is no longer available even from Gamestop.....unfortunatly I found this out when I was planning on preordering it. >.>

I seriously hope that's only because they reached their limit already (which in itself would be surprising). I would really hate to find out I put down $50 on nothing.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on April 23, 2013, 01:56:36 PM
now your just trolling

No, I was just stating my opinion.  You are free to state yours, of course, but you seem intent on not respecting any other points of view.

wait so just because i disagree with someones opinion and debate it im disrespecting it? graces is fun but the battle system is very limiting since you cant perform certain moves seperate from a combo.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on April 23, 2013, 01:59:01 PM
Calling someone a troll is insulting them Alisha, not debating.

(http://static.tumblr.com/tsnibuz/r0Plpoywd/78533.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 23, 2013, 04:42:25 PM
There's also the fact that you said you'd be offended by people claiming it the best akin to calling brawl.the best fighting game, offering no sort of respect towards anyone elses opinion. I am in the same boat as you, graces battle system isn't my favorite, however I can understand how other people like it more....I think?

Also, she didn't call anyone a troll, just accused him of the act of trolling. Honestly, based on the reply, can you say otherwise, even if she TOTALLY asked for.it?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 23, 2013, 06:53:39 PM
There's also the fact that you said you'd be offended by people claiming it the best akin to calling brawl.the best fighting game, offering no sort of respect towards anyone elses opinion. I am in the same boat as you, graces battle system isn't my favorite, however I can understand how other people like it more....I think?

Also, she didn't call anyone a troll, just accused him of the act of trolling. Honestly, based on the reply, can you say otherwise, even if she TOTALLY asked for.it?

I don't see how accusing the "act of" and calling someone a troll is...really that different.  Unless we're talking the ones under the bridge?!?!

Ah well... I will be sad that Xillia will go back to making magic users less fun to play as (I gotta vote Hubert as one of the best balances of attack/magic in recent videogame memory).

Anyways, apparently the earlier Twitter message was nothing and Vesperia PS3 was shot down...over Facebook. x_X
Blegh.  Got a nasty taste in my mouth after the whole ordeal and reading it all.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on April 24, 2013, 12:33:29 AM
One dick move doesn't make you a dick forever. I mean, let's use the tales discussion for reference. Namco Bandai dicked us by not bringing over Tales of Vesperia to Ps3, but does this mean they are dicks? No, they just pulled a dick move. Now, Kevadu GENERALLY is a pretty cool guy, but let's face it, out of the infinite realm of ways he could have replied to Alisha's statement, he chose to say it the way he did, even quoting her previous comment to rub salt in the open wound. Now call me crazy, and Kevadu is no troll, but that was definitely a trollish reply, no matter how truthful it may be. It was intended to sting and cause someone discomfort. Semantics aside, you both got your thoughts pretty well stated, so lets get back to the reason we're all here...to talk about how AWESOME Milla'a voice actress is!

She is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on April 24, 2013, 12:45:42 AM
I dunno, I still find her voice to be too low.
I'm not even sure if I want this game as a whole actually =/
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 24, 2013, 12:56:22 AM
I dunno, I still find her voice to be too low.
I'm not even sure if I want this game as a whole actually =/

I get blue thinking about the more favorable responses to the sequel than Xill1.... can't wait for another two years? :S

The FB Tales page still insists on a "Tales-filled year"; they got a lot to own up to if the Vita titles and VesPS3 are dropped.

I wanna see a proper cutscene with her voice, not just battle stuff.  Tales games usually pick better-than-decent talents though, so we'll see.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on April 24, 2013, 01:39:33 AM
One dick move doesn't make you a dick forever. I mean, let's use the tales discussion for reference. Namco Bandai dicked us by not bringing over Tales of Vesperia to Ps3, but does this mean they are dicks? No, they just pulled a dick move. Now, Kevadu GENERALLY is a pretty cool guy, but let's face it, out of the infinite realm of ways he could have replied to Alisha's statement, he chose to say it the way he did, even quoting her previous comment to rub salt in the open wound. Now call me crazy, and Kevadu is no troll, but that was definitely a trollish reply, no matter how truthful it may be. It was intended to sting and cause someone discomfort. Semantics aside, you both got your thoughts pretty well stated, so lets get back to the reason we're all here...to talk about how AWESOME Milla'a voice actress is!

I responded that way because I was offended by Alisha acting like there can be no debate on this subject (when there clearly is...).  But seriously, let's drop it.

The FB Tales page still insists on a "Tales-filled year"; they got a lot to own up to if the Vita titles and VesPS3 are dropped.

I still say Xillia 2 is coming later this year.  It's not weird to think they would have done the localization for it at the same time, especially since so many of the characters are the same and would have the same voice actors.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 24, 2013, 01:56:48 AM

The FB Tales page still insists on a "Tales-filled year"; they got a lot to own up to if the Vita titles and VesPS3 are dropped.

I still say Xillia 2 is coming later this year.  It's not weird to think they would have done the localization for it at the same time, especially since so many of the characters are the same and would have the same voice actors.

Yeah, I was thinking the same; saves up on booking the entire cast again, right?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ranadiel on April 24, 2013, 06:51:17 AM
CE's on Amazon now. (http://www.amazon.com/Tales-Xillia-Collectors-Edition-Playstation-3/dp/B00CEJ28JQ/)
Yay, preordered from a good retailer!

I seriously hope that's only because they reached their limit already (which in itself would be surprising). I would really hate to find out I put down $50 on nothing.
Yeah I'm sure it is because they reached their limit or something along those lines. I highly doubt they were completely cut off and no one has said anything about it. PR nightmare if that was the case.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on April 24, 2013, 08:38:30 AM
I have doubts Xillia 2 will come here. Namco Bandai are just dicks like that. It'll probably be 2014 or 15 before they're done dicking around with ToX2. By then, they'll say something such as "Yeah, everyone moved to the PS4. Fuck you guys, you know, like we usually do."

That's why I import all of my Tales games, just to make sure I actually get to play them.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on April 24, 2013, 09:34:01 AM
I dunno, I still find her voice to be too low.
I'm not even sure if I want this game as a whole actually =/

I personally find it a refreshing change from other JRPG's that ask their female dubbers to speak in the highest octave possible.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on April 24, 2013, 01:13:10 PM
I like Milla's English voice. Very husky and authoritative.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on April 24, 2013, 07:15:13 PM
I like Milla's English voice. Very husky and authoritative.

Agreed. Especially in light of what Klutz64 said above.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 24, 2013, 07:24:07 PM
I like Milla's English voice. Very husky and authoritative.

Agreed. Especially in light of what Klutz64 said above.

Oh man.... Atelier games...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: lavarock on April 24, 2013, 10:13:46 PM
I still say Xillia 2 is coming later this year.  It's not weird to think they would have done the localization for it at the same time, especially since so many of the characters are the same and would have the same voice actors.

Impossible... This is Bamco we're talking about...

I hope I eat my words though!

On a side note, I knew the CE were going to sold out fast
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 25, 2013, 12:45:00 AM
http://myfigurecollection.net/item/110594
Sweet Jesus I'm in love.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on April 28, 2013, 12:17:52 AM
So I'm now $25 bux poorer and one preorder richer.

After carefully weighing my options, I've decided to pick this up in spite of not being a Tales of Fan since the most modern Tales of game I have hands on experience with is Symphonia which came out nearly a decade ago (though the most recent Tales of release I've played was that shitty GBA port of Phantasia).

Either way its a great excuse to dive back in and see how the gameplay has evolved in the last decade, and the game having an actual female lead for once is just icing on the CE's figurine (admittedly, the real reason why I am getting this; and yet, somehow, I have a feeling that this will end in disappointment and tedium, but then again, what JRPG doesn't?).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 28, 2013, 01:02:10 AM
So I'm now $25 bux poorer and one preorder richer.

After carefully weighing my options, I've decided to pick this up in spite of not being a Tales of Fan since the most modern Tales of game I have hands on experience with is Symphonia which came out nearly a decade ago (though the most recent Tales of release I've played was that shitty GBA port of Phantasia).

Either way its a great excuse to dive back in and see how the gameplay has evolved in the last decade, and the game having an actual female lead for once is just icing on the CE's figurine (admittedly, the real reason why I am getting this; and yet, somehow, I have a feeling that this will end in disappointment and tedium, but then again, what JRPG doesn't?).

Story-wise, I hear it's actually quite decent (aside from a slightly rushed third act...but it has nothing on the weirdness that was Vesperia's third act).  But I humbly ask you to look through the last few pages for our Tales of Graces talk -- if you want JRPG with *awesome* battle system then look no further.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on April 28, 2013, 01:33:17 PM
I have a feeling that this will end in disappointment and tedium, but then again, what JRPG doesn't?).

I personally am a tales fan because some tales entries have proven an exception to that rule for me. Graces F being one of them.... truth be told, twas a barrel o' monkeys for me right to end. I clocked triple digit play-time and not once thought much about anything else on my shelf I wanted to get to. When I finished the game I went right into post game content without even considering a break.

Part of the tales magic to me is the uncanny ability ( without an uber-compelling narrative or cast IMO) to "stay well" if you will. As in, the titles rarely get stale to me mid way through. Even despite the numerous hours I clock, I still percieve them as short (oddly enough).

In contrast however, I must agree with your statement. Even some of my favorite games inherently contain segments or stretches that are a test of will and patience.

And don't feel bad Aeolus.... they got me for 2 of the CE's just based on that figure! LoL
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: GuardianBoi on April 28, 2013, 06:18:15 PM
Now that there is a for sure release date for Xillia, my mind has fallen into Tales Of mode. I have other games I can very well play and enjoy, but I only want to play Tales games until August 6th in preparation for Tales of Xillia. This happened last year with Graces F! I played and beat all of the Tales Of games I never got around to before. Vesperia, Abyss and Eternia. This time around I don't have as many that I haven't beaten, so I'm going SUPER old school and fired up Tales of Destiny. I never beat it before, and even though I would pay almost any amount of money to be able to play one of the PS2 remakes in english, I'm having a good time with it.

Maybe I'll jump into Legendia after this again......maybe. I really did NOT enjoy that game. Haha!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on April 28, 2013, 10:40:01 PM
i tried to go back and play vesperia but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B1Xv41qZ3k
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on April 28, 2013, 11:15:42 PM
Now that there is a for sure release date for Xillia, my mind has fallen into Tales Of mode. I have other games I can very well play and enjoy, but I only want to play Tales games until August 6th in preparation for Tales of Xillia. This happened last year with Graces F! I played and beat all of the Tales Of games I never got around to before. Vesperia, Abyss and Eternia. This time around I don't have as many that I haven't beaten, so I'm going SUPER old school and fired up Tales of Destiny. I never beat it before, and even though I would pay almost any amount of money to be able to play one of the PS2 remakes in english, I'm having a good time with it.

Maybe I'll jump into Legendia after this again......maybe. I really did NOT enjoy that game. Haha!

I give you credit, I usually get psyched like that myself (more post-release than pre-release: after I play one Tales game I get in the mood to play the rest)....but I never complete it.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on April 28, 2013, 11:29:29 PM
I tried playing the GCN version of Symphonia, but alas I just couldn't get into it. I started with Vesperia, then Abyss, then Graces, so the battles in Symphonia (once you have a full party) just come across as way too much going on in too small a space.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on May 01, 2013, 05:58:34 AM
kinda sad how much better mila looks in this :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DinzcZVR2nU
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 12, 2013, 06:08:49 PM
http://www.koi-nya.net/2013/05/12/hideo-baba-deja-caer-una-posible-remasterizacion-para-ps3-de-ambos-tales-of-symphonia-tales-of-symphonia-perfect-edition/

The article makes it sounds quite a "matter-a-fact", but Symphonia HD may be a thing now, and certainly makes the promise of a "Tales-filled year" sound more promising.

The timing is right (10 years, IIRC), OVA is done, and it's the most popular title worldwide.

....hopefully it's not just an "HD Edition" but an Enhanced Edition....the game is a classic, but certainly dated.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on May 12, 2013, 08:08:09 PM
If this is a thing and comes to the US... I would definitively get it =)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on May 12, 2013, 08:14:43 PM
I think Nintendo owns the rights to ToS' English localization. I could be wrong, but I'm almost positive that's why we didn't get the PS2 version to begin with. I want to believe, but I wouldn't hold my breath on this coming stateside.

Also, when are they going to add online play to the Tales series? All my Tales buddies live in different states.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 12, 2013, 08:25:24 PM
I think Nintendo owns the rights to ToS' English localization. I could be wrong, but I'm almost positive that's why we didn't get the PS2 version to begin with. I want to believe, but I wouldn't hold my breath on this coming stateside.

Also, when are they going to add online play to the Tales series? All my Tales buddies live in different states.

IIRC, like many "Tales rumors", the bit about the Nintendo localization isn't 100% true and it was outsourced to a third party with Nintendo still as main distributor....orsomethinglikethat, I dunno (it was Hometek doing the work, or something).

I don't think Baba would have told some Spanish press about it unless there was a good chance of it coming Stateside, and like I said before, it is the most popular Tales title worldwide.  It would also tie in with the continuously reported "Tales-filled year" as well as the fact Vesperia PS3 was turned down, Tales PSN titles doesn't sound "like them" to announce, and Xill2 is...kind of a no-brainer.  Word of a new Tales title has been floating around the last few weeks too.

I know it's still rumor (oh my me, look at me gab on <3)...but I don't know... it seems to "fit" don't it?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on May 12, 2013, 08:44:16 PM
Less rumors, more Tales of Xillia.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 12, 2013, 08:51:57 PM
Less rumors, more Tales of Xillia.

Well IIRC that link also assured Xill2 was on its way.  So yaay (we gotta deal with crappier Xill1 then 2).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on May 13, 2013, 03:26:18 PM
Also, when are they going to add online play to the Tales series? All my Tales buddies live in different states.

I'm not sure what they could add that would be a worthwhile addition.  Multi-player boss rush?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on May 13, 2013, 03:38:46 PM
Also, when are they going to add online play to the Tales series? All my Tales buddies live in different states.

I'm not sure what they could add that would be a worthwhile addition.  Multi-player boss rush?

I assume he meant doing standard Tales multiplayer, just online.  Which frankly sounds like a good idea to me.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on May 13, 2013, 03:51:44 PM
You are correct. Standard Tales, only online. It would be glorious .
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on May 13, 2013, 03:59:46 PM
You are correct. Standard Tales, only online. It would be glorious .
I assume he meant doing standard Tales multiplayer, just online.  Which frankly sounds like a good idea to me.

Unless the game was completely built around the idea of multi-player, I don't see it working well.  Even between Tales Fans, everyone likes to do things differently.  Some like to explore towns and dungeons some go straight to the objective.  Some like to talk to townspeople and read the text some mash skip.  I can't imagine people would want to sit and watch until you get to a dungeon where you can hop in on a fight once and awhile.

I understand where you guys are coming from, I just don't see it unless major changes were made.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on May 13, 2013, 04:01:42 PM
Online multiplayer controlled combat could be kinda cool. Although now instead of complaining about bad AI, we'd be complaining about those damn noobs you got paired with =P
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on May 13, 2013, 04:12:10 PM
It'd be awesome if you could take your personal characters with you into another players game.  Like using my own Asbel in someone else's game.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on May 13, 2013, 04:19:42 PM
I don't see it as something you would want to do random match-ups with.  But being able to play a game online with a friend that way could be pretty fun.

And how hard would it be to add, really?  You wouldn't have to change the game design at all, just add some netcode.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on May 13, 2013, 04:56:40 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't wan the design changed. I'd also never ever play with anyone but friends, since they're the only people I'm ever interested in gaming with. Randoms hold no appeal for me in anything.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: GuardianBoi on May 14, 2013, 04:39:44 PM
As long as I get dibs on the cute girl with pigtails character...because there is ALWAYS one. :)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on May 14, 2013, 05:36:11 PM
As long as I get dibs on the cute girl with pigtails character...because there is ALWAYS one. :)

Not ALWAYS. Phantasia for instance didn't have anybody sporting pigtales (both Arche or Suzuka sported ponytales).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: GuardianBoi on May 14, 2013, 05:57:13 PM
As long as I get dibs on the cute girl with pigtails character...because there is ALWAYS one. :)

Not ALWAYS. Phantasia for instance didn't have anybody sporting pigtales (both Arche or Suzuka sported ponytales).


damn! you got me! okay fine....the small girl! :)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 24, 2013, 09:10:25 AM
Hideo Baba clarifies Tales of Symphonia HD rumors (http://gematsu.com/2013/05/hideo-baba-clarifies-tales-of-symphonia-hd-rumors) -- Source: Gematsu
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Arklight on May 26, 2013, 01:53:40 PM
I have a feeling that if it were certainly untrue, Baba might have just outright denied it. Considering the slightly cryptic answer we got, however, I think there might JUST be some truth to this yet.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on May 27, 2013, 12:32:10 AM
i think an online mode similar to trials of graces could work in a console version of a radiant mythology style game.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 28, 2013, 06:45:56 PM
Hideo Baba clarifies Tales of Symphonia HD rumors (http://gematsu.com/2013/05/hideo-baba-clarifies-tales-of-symphonia-hd-rumors) -- Source: Gematsu

We have a live press conference coming up from the TalesFes (I doubt they'd bother unless there was something "somewhat super" to announce).  It's still somewhat reasonable to GUESS that it MAY BE Symphonia HD.  Someone compiled the evidence a bit better:

Quote
...we haven't seen any trademarks crop up, so that means we're probably getting a game related to a game we already have (like last year, there were not trademarks and we got a Tales of Xillia 2).

This is Symphonia's 10 year anniversary in Japan, the series' 15 year anniversary in North America (where Symphonia is the most successful title), the OVA just recently ended, and to top it all off, they've revealed Lloyd and Emil are going to be on the cover of an upcoming Tales magazine. It fits.

Tempest R is another good guess, but Namco seems to like to release a "big" game every fall, and Tempest R wouldn't fit that profile, especially if it is on Vita. Furthermore, I have a feeling they let Seventh Chord develop that just like they did the other two R titles.

I'm predicting a remake of a game, probably Symponia, though if they screwed our expectations and went for Eternia...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on May 30, 2013, 03:42:11 PM
So now there is an LE in addition to the CE apparently....

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/05/30/tales-of-xillia-limited-edition-announced-for-u-s/

If I am reading this right, I am seriously disgusted with this announcement. This means that if I wanted the costumes say, I have to buy a LE in addition to already shelling out 100 for the CE.

I'm a huge fan of special editions in general but seriously... if you have a fan forking over 100 bucks shouldn't they get the same crap they could have for 60 and then some?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 30, 2013, 03:56:11 PM
So now there is an LE in addition to the CE apparently....

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/05/30/tales-of-xillia-limited-edition-announced-for-u-s/

If I am reading this right, I am seriously disgusted with this announcement. This means that if I wanted the costumes say, I have to buy a LE in addition to already shelling out 100 for the CE.

I'm a huge fan of special editions in general but seriously... if you have a fan forking over 100 bucks shouldn't they get the same crap they could have for 60 and then some?

That image of the DLC wasn't always there though, I can't see them selling an LE without the DLC codes as well.
I'd chill and wait on it.

Oh, Misono (the singer for the Symphonia Openings) is attending the Tales Festival with an announcement..... *shrug* I'm not saying a ToS HD is on the horizon, but damn the evidence is compelling.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on May 30, 2013, 03:57:44 PM
Are those preorders only through the namco store, or all retailers? If so, gonna preorder it next week.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on May 30, 2013, 04:19:41 PM

That image of the DLC wasn't always there though, I can't see them selling an LE without the DLC codes as well.
I'd chill and wait on it.

Oh, Misono (the singer for the Symphonia Openings) is attending the Tales Festival with an announcement..... *shrug* I'm not saying a ToS HD is on the horizon, but damn the evidence is compelling.

According to the update on that article, it would seem otherwise. I agree with Chroma, that is utter BS. It even sounds like the Music CD is better in the LE, opting to call it a "Music CD" instead of a "Music Selection CD"
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on May 30, 2013, 04:28:39 PM
Well I had no interest in the figure so I'm pretty happy at least ;)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 30, 2013, 05:38:40 PM
Well I had no interest in the figure so I'm pretty happy at least ;)

I *kinda* want the figure, but they jsut collect dust in the long haul.  I just want the 100 page artbook.... but given the price difference, I may have to reevaluate given my broke ass (and a bunch of sh** coming out in that time frame).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on May 30, 2013, 05:56:10 PM
Boy, they sure want our money. That's pretty scuzzy there Namdai (but not unexpected).

Thankfully, I give zero fucks about the DLC (Awakening got me to buy theirs so it has to be at least that good if not better for me to sink $ on). I'll bet the difference in Music CDs will be all of one song. And besides, the art book sounds better than the character profile book and that's probably what counts the most.
Title: what the helll namco?
Post by: Alisha on May 30, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
.....
Quote
Update: We’ve gotten clarification regarding the contents of the collector’s and limited edition of the game. From a Namco Bandai e-mail sent to Siliconera:

 

“The costumes, character profile booklet and music cd are exclusive to the Limited Edition, while the Milla Maxwell figure, art book and music selection CD are exclusive to the Collector’s Edition.”


Read more at http://www.siliconera.com/2013/05/30/tales-of-xillia-limited-edition-announced-for-u-s/#vk1Khwosl5Me3ORI.99

all that limited edition stuff should be in the CE too.....
at the very least give the CE the costumes
Title: Re: what the helll namco?
Post by: Dice on May 30, 2013, 08:42:37 PM
Yeah, there's just something really...."incorrect"-feeling about that line of thinking for an additional $40 premium LE.  I really don't think it's THAT hard to print more codes, soo....


also, this should maybe just be with the Tales topic?
But I do like opportunities to yell at companies in seperate threads
Title: Re: what the helll namco?
Post by: Kevadu on May 30, 2013, 08:50:12 PM
I think people should calm down for a second.  The art book in the CE is almost certainly better than the "character profile book" in the LE so that's not much of a loss.  The CDs are the real mystery, though I seriously doubt either one is the full soundtrack.  It's just a question of which tracks they selected for each (and how much overlap there is).

Not including the DLC costumes in the CE is kind of weird, but do people really care about DLC costumes that much?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on May 30, 2013, 09:04:50 PM
i do. millla looks fabulous in male costumes
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on May 30, 2013, 09:06:11 PM
Not worth its own topic, merged. And I'd wait on more details and some confirmation, so long as the music CD in the CE is the same or contains all of the LE's and more, and likewise for the book while also throwing in the DLC I wouldn't be too fussed. The book probably IS a combination of the LE's and new content anyway.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on May 30, 2013, 09:57:44 PM
I would say that the LE is more for people who missed out on preordering for the CE and giving them something to compensate at least than to bleed Tales of Fans dry (but then again, this is Namdai we're talking about so there's always the chance for scuzziness).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on May 30, 2013, 10:05:21 PM
For me the question is: buy or not buy...
Nothing to do with special editions.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 30, 2013, 10:06:24 PM
I'm less upset about this but find it weird as hell anyways.
But for the most part the $100 LE has some really nice stuff anyways.

......I wonder if Gamefaq's forums have blown their shit up?

ANNU: Unanimous opinion doesn't like Xill all that much.  It's good, not great.  But Xill2 ups the ante and is much better despite recycling and ass-on-head-retarded debt system.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 30, 2013, 11:08:52 PM
I didn't notice before but Xillia comes out the same day as Dragon's Crown in NA.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: GuardianBoi on May 30, 2013, 11:23:14 PM
I'm a little nervous. Since they upgraded the pre-orders for the regular editions of Tales of Xillia to the Limited Editions....I'm worried that it's content(the DLC costumes, the characters profile book) won't the same as the LOTS of extra stuff that comes with the Collectors Edition....which I am getting. :(


If I have to get both, I swear to god....
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 30, 2013, 11:59:53 PM
The big 100-Buck edition is the better deal. 

The figure itself is probably worth $30.  The DLC MAY be missed, but you get way more and way bigger prizes from the LE (like the 100 page artbook in the LE as opposed to the 50-odd page one in the CE).  Quite frankly, I like the other costume DLCs a bit more, but YMMV.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on May 31, 2013, 12:16:19 AM
Well, the DLC's in the European CE as I understand, and it really is ODD to not put it in the US CE, so I kind of expect them to announce that eventually.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on May 31, 2013, 03:01:17 AM
https://twitter.com/TalesofU/status/340347976243367936

EU Tales Union Tweeting about the Live Feed from the Japanese TalesFes?? 

HMMMM. :V
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on May 31, 2013, 03:51:59 AM
You have to sign up for their Tales Channel+ thing (http://tales-ch.jp) to actually be able to view it.  It's free, but probably a bit of a pain if you don't understand Japanese.

I signed up just to see if I could (I can), but his thing is started at 3:15am my time so I doubt I'm going to watch it...though I might actually be up at 3:15am, I keep weird hours...

Edit: No, wait, it's 2:15.  Stupid timezones.  I'll totally still be up at 2:15...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on May 31, 2013, 04:57:35 AM
i dont even care about the artbook really i just look through it once then it collects dust in my closet.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on May 31, 2013, 04:52:08 PM
ANNU: Unanimous opinion doesn't like Xill all that much.  It's good, not great.  But Xill2 ups the ante and is much better despite recycling and ass-on-head-retarded debt system.

Ashton gave it the editor's seal of choice and called it one of the best current gen JRPGs.  Can't be too bad.  I only played the import for about 12 hours so I can't comment that much.



i dont even care about the artbook really i just look through it once then it collects dust in my closet.

Ditto.  I honestly don't mind the milking if it means more Tales games coming over seas.  I'll probably just buy the regular edition and be done with it.  I already supported them enough with the import purchase =P
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on June 01, 2013, 05:02:36 AM
Anyone else trying to view the event (http://tales-ch.jp/special_index.php?ms_id=100)?  Still 15 minutes to go but the site is open now.  However, I'm just getting a blank box...thought that was kind of weird.  Usually they would have something up ahead of time...

Edit: And now the server is totally overloaded...I don't think this is going to work...

I give up...this thing just doesn't work.  Even when I manage to get the page to load (it takes a lot of tries...) it doesn't display anything.  My browser and stuff meets all their requirements, I don't know what's going on...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on June 01, 2013, 06:35:55 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/01/tales-of-symphonia-unisonant-pack-announced-for-playstation-3/

there may be some hope for tjose of us that preordered the CE
http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/31/4382354/tales-of-xillia-limited-edition-a-features-booklet-two-dlc-costumes
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on June 01, 2013, 12:10:40 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/01/tales-of-symphonia-chronicles-hd-remasters-coming-to-the-west-in-2014/

And a US release. HRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNGHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on June 01, 2013, 01:06:50 PM
Yay!
Never played Symphonia. I'll be more than happy to buy it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 01, 2013, 01:12:36 PM
The fact that it's not a COMPLETE REMAKE make me no less ecstatic to have a chance to play one of my favorite RPGs from the post-N64/PSX era.

I can't wait.  :)

NOW. Big question is what/if any gameplay changes, and if we're getting voices skits or newly voiced scenes (to explain that several month delay)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on June 01, 2013, 01:26:23 PM
Yeah. I'm assuming it'll at least have the additional content from the PS2 version. I don't recall if the skits were voiced in the Japanese version originally, but it sure would be awesome if they were able to get the band back together to do voicing for the skits this time. Still, <3.

...i want online play for Tales.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 01, 2013, 02:23:31 PM
The big concern now is if we get Scott Menville Lloyrd or Brian Beacock Lloyd (basically ToS vs. DotNW cast).  I'd be lying if I said I *reaaaallly* hope for Menville.

I'm so damn excited.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on June 01, 2013, 02:38:17 PM
i hope they remove the restrctions on the ToS chars in dawn of the new world.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 01, 2013, 02:44:05 PM
i hope they remove the restrctions on the ToS chars in dawn of the new world.

Word on the street says they did.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 01, 2013, 02:54:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uIawNinP-Q4
Trailer.... *love* hearing the fans cheering
...did they re-draw the opening?  Starry Heavens sounds remixed a bit.

http://gallery.abyssalchronicles.com/displayimage.php?pos=-16711
Cover art...looks exclusively Fujishima (good to some extent, I *hated* that they never changed the artwork for ToS2 of the original cast to compensate with the new artist)

http://gallery.abyssalchronicles.com/displayimage.php?pos=-16700
Honestly love the Lloyd-Guy outfit
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on June 01, 2013, 03:52:23 PM
Wait really, they supposedly de-limited the ToS cast in 2?

And I'd be surprised if they got Menville... but would certainly like them to.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 01, 2013, 04:26:44 PM
Wait really, they supposedly de-limited the ToS cast in 2?

And I'd be surprised if they got Menville... but would certainly like them to.

Yeah, I'd be pleasantly surprised...but he really added that je ne sais quoi.

Hopefully we get voiced skits then.  ToS skits were really golden
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on June 01, 2013, 06:13:21 PM
Wait really, they supposedly de-limited the ToS cast in 2?

And I'd be surprised if they got Menville... but would certainly like them to.

Yeah, I'd be pleasantly surprised...but he really added that je ne sais quoi.

Hopefully we get voiced skits then.  ToS skits were really golden

Scott Menville is Lloyd for me, so I really hope he comes back. And yeah, voiced skits would be baller. That'd be worth the purchase alone for me.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on June 01, 2013, 08:54:23 PM
Wait really, they supposedly de-limited the ToS cast in 2?

I never played the 2nd one.  What do you mean by this?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on June 01, 2013, 09:16:23 PM
Wait really, they supposedly de-limited the ToS cast in 2?

I never played the 2nd one.  What do you mean by this?
It seems in symphonia 2, the extra member (generally the original cast) only get to a certain level or so.ething and they become useless end of the game. Not 100% sure as I didn't play it because I read 2 sucked.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on June 01, 2013, 09:20:01 PM
Really? If that's how it worked, that is such a kick in the nads.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on June 01, 2013, 09:45:31 PM
They weren't useless, they're plenty good, but they're locked at certain levels based on where you are in hte story, and they're capped at 50. Also in higher difficulties they aren't as viable. My brother and I still beat the game using all humans, but your options definitely are more limited than with the stupid monsters.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 02, 2013, 01:04:12 AM
They weren't useless, they're plenty good, but they're locked at certain levels based on where you are in hte story, and they're capped at 50. Also in higher difficulties they aren't as viable. My brother and I still beat the game using all humans, but your options definitely are more limited than with the stupid monsters.

Apparently there's a lot of depth to the monster system: An adjunct that felt both frivolous and in a game too easy to really pay much attention to.
(And really weird "good ending" requirements summed up in two easy steps)

*sigh*  I'll play it again, but I'm definitely in it for ToS1, which rocked my high school-era summer.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on June 02, 2013, 01:10:28 AM
Yeah-- that's what I meant to say. The monsters have more utility, but I'm a pretty strong opponent of monster systems in JRPGs. It just seemed like a cheap cop-out to not have to write as many characters, which are like, the best part of a Tales game for me.

I'd love to see what else they're doing to tweak the game. CURIOSITY
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: MereMare on June 02, 2013, 01:49:40 AM

http://gallery.abyssalchronicles.com/displayimage.php?pos=-16700
Honestly love the Lloyd-Guy outfit

Genis von Fabre isn't that bad looking either.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: GuardianBoi on June 02, 2013, 02:29:16 AM
I'm excited to see this redone. It wasn't my favorite Tales by any means, but I did play the hell out of both of those games. So I am invested.

1. voiced skits would be phenomenal.

2. taking away those level caps for returning characters in the sequel would also be very lovely. Because as good as my monsters were, I would always want to use the real people.

3. I'm really hoping we get all the Collector's Edition goodies. I want those figurines!!


I'm happy with this announcement, but I was kind of hoping for a new installment announcement. THAT would have made my day. :)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on June 02, 2013, 02:31:48 AM

http://gallery.abyssalchronicles.com/displayimage.php?pos=-16700
Honestly love the Lloyd-Guy outfit

Genis von Fabre isn't that bad looking either.
He's got absolutely NO excuse to be wearing that outfit. Hell, an Anise outfit fits him better.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on June 02, 2013, 04:24:02 AM
Yeah-- that's what I meant to say. The monsters have more utility, but I'm a pretty strong opponent of monster systems in JRPGs. It just seemed like a cheap cop-out to not have to write as many characters, which are like, the best part of a Tales game for me.

I'd love to see what else they're doing to tweak the game. CURIOSITY

On the other hand, Dragon Quest V.

Sure it was only really about the main character, but unlike other JRPGs, it really was all about the main character and his lifelong quest.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on June 02, 2013, 10:27:08 PM
im hoping they make a change to the ToS battle system. either add an option to have free run or some other way to get around enemies.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 03, 2013, 08:58:51 AM
^ Judging from early vids, doesn't look like it, but who knows fo sho.

On another note, allegedly NB said it would be too expensive to redo the dubbing for the whole game --- say in the case of someone like Scott Menville and his voice.  So yay?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on June 03, 2013, 06:20:15 PM
I decided to impulsively order Tales of Vesperia, haven't played a Tales game since Symphonia, and Vesperia is 40 bucks everywhere I look so when I saw it at a discount I had to grab it. How is the game?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on June 03, 2013, 06:45:37 PM
In a word? Amazeballs.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 03, 2013, 08:14:09 PM
I decided to impulsively order Tales of Vesperia, haven't played a Tales game since Symphonia, and Vesperia is 40 bucks everywhere I look so when I saw it at a discount I had to grab it. How is the game?

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on June 03, 2013, 09:32:10 PM
HEY! i have a strong sense of justice.....
maybe thats why i dont care for Yuri.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on June 03, 2013, 09:57:46 PM
It depends if you consider Batman justice or not.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on June 03, 2013, 11:10:39 PM
Tales of Vesperia has Judith. This makes it my favorite entry in the series thus far.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 03, 2013, 11:19:58 PM
Tales of Vesperia has Judith. This makes it my favorite entry in the series thus far.

If I could cosplay I'd love to have done her.  I feel I could pull it off, but also because it wouldn't be terribly difficult.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on June 04, 2013, 12:47:53 AM
i wasnt a fan of judith. she's to.... aloof? sheena on the other hand :D
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 04, 2013, 01:09:30 AM
i wasnt a fan of judith. she's to.... aloof? sheena on the other hand :D

I kinda liked Judith for that.  Too often they play the sexy-trope as a sort-of femme fatale.  Judith was more semi-aware of this; she is somewhat coy, but more concerned with other things or just oblivious to them otherwise....or just flat out didn't care.  She was different anyways (getting a hand of her aerial artes was awesome though).

I do agree though, Sheena was definitely a better balance though.  She was sexy, but extraordinarily modest and down to earth.
...but in battle....=/
It's like nailing jell-o to the wall, it's a mess and it just doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: MereMare on June 04, 2013, 01:15:38 AM
My guess is that Presea would be wearing Anise's outfit instead.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on June 04, 2013, 09:02:52 AM
Good deal then! I played the demo, but man...they didn't explain anything to you in that demo. I ran out of MP or whatever its called spamming dragon's swarm before I realized B could attack also. I won't start on this right away though, gonna finish up Digital Devil Saga then hop into it.

Edit: I lied. I'm around six hours in. Really enjoying it, except for insane difficulty spike at that boss from the demo. I said screw it and put it on easy to just kick his ass. Also I did it for the second fight with Zagi. How are you supposed to kill him otherwise?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on June 06, 2013, 08:32:21 PM
Good deal then! I played the demo, but man...they didn't explain anything to you in that demo. I ran out of MP or whatever its called spamming dragon's swarm before I realized B could attack also. I won't start on this right away though, gonna finish up Digital Devil Saga then hop into it.

Edit: I lied. I'm around six hours in. Really enjoying it, except for insane difficulty spike at that boss from the demo. I said screw it and put it on easy to just kick his ass. Also I did it for the second fight with Zagi. How are you supposed to kill him otherwise?

Yeah, demo boss for some reason is one of the harder bosses in the game (excluding any optional bosses).  I don't recall having to do anything special for zagi.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 06, 2013, 08:51:49 PM
Good deal then! I played the demo, but man...they didn't explain anything to you in that demo. I ran out of MP or whatever its called spamming dragon's swarm before I realized B could attack also. I won't start on this right away though, gonna finish up Digital Devil Saga then hop into it.

Edit: I lied. I'm around six hours in. Really enjoying it, except for insane difficulty spike at that boss from the demo. I said screw it and put it on easy to just kick his ass. Also I did it for the second fight with Zagi. How are you supposed to kill him otherwise?

Yeah, demo boss for some reason is one of the harder bosses in the game (excluding any optional bosses).  I don't recall having to do anything special for zagi.

I actually find that guy one of the hardest standard Tales bosses amongst all the games since it's reeeaally hard to grind for that fight (that hill is the best place for EXP but sucks even for that time), s/he comes with two wolf pups, and the Secret Objective is pretty hard to pull off.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on June 06, 2013, 10:16:04 PM
This game is difficult. Barboss is a bitch. Seriously. Four damn tries. The only reason I lost is because of the damn cap on life bottles.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on June 06, 2013, 10:18:42 PM
The thing with Zagi is to free run away from him and then attack after he missed you. If you get caught up in his combo, he does hurt a lot.

EDIT: well that or play wimpy and only attack with ranged attack like the good ole wind slash or whatnot.

the Secret Objective is pretty hard to pull off.

Not as bad as "shoot the heart"...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 06, 2013, 10:44:11 PM
the Secret Objective is pretty hard to pull off.

Not as bad as "shoot the heart"...

I winged that one... I was attacked and voila.
I had more of a dick time with the "Launch Zagi" one.

OH IF YOU ARE HERE, GO LOOK AT MY HELPER MONKEY TOPIC.  I THINK Y'ALL CAN HELP A SISTA OUT.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on June 06, 2013, 11:32:12 PM
Beat Barbos, and beat Part 1. Only took me twelve hours. Is the length of this game greatly exaggerated or do I still have 60 hours left?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 06, 2013, 11:34:20 PM
Beat Barbos, and beat Part 1. Only took me twelve hours. Is the length of this game greatly exaggerated or do I still have 60 hours left?

It's a 3 part game.
See how many sidequests you do, then you may/should hit that 60 hour mark.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on June 06, 2013, 11:36:59 PM
I haven't found a single sidequest. I usually talk to everyone too. I best look up a sidequest guide.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on June 06, 2013, 11:56:39 PM
Good deal then! I played the demo, but man...they didn't explain anything to you in that demo. I ran out of MP or whatever its called spamming dragon's swarm before I realized B could attack also. I won't start on this right away though, gonna finish up Digital Devil Saga then hop into it.

Edit: I lied. I'm around six hours in. Really enjoying it, except for insane difficulty spike at that boss from the demo. I said screw it and put it on easy to just kick his ass. Also I did it for the second fight with Zagi. How are you supposed to kill him otherwise?

Yeah, demo boss for some reason is one of the harder bosses in the game (excluding any optional bosses).  I don't recall having to do anything special for zagi.

I actually find that guy one of the hardest standard Tales bosses amongst all the games since it's reeeaally hard to grind for that fight (that hill is the best place for EXP but sucks even for that time), s/he comes with two wolf pups, and the Secret Objective is pretty hard to pull off.
You kill the wolf pups first. They actually do A LOT of damage over time. Do that and the fight goes MUCH smoother. Most people make the mistake of trying to down the big bad boss first, which ends with them getting picked off by the smaller enemies. Vesperia is one game where you actually require some tactics in order to effectively fight the bosses.

I haven't found a single sidequest. I usually talk to everyone too. I best look up a sidequest guide.
http://ameblo.jp/koulinovesperia/entry-10347292825.html
http://ameblo.jp/koulinovesperia/entry-10343547508.html
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on June 07, 2013, 12:07:59 AM
Your awesome! Thanks!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on June 07, 2013, 12:08:50 AM
I'm currently playing the PS3 version, so I'm in the same boat.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on June 07, 2013, 12:47:31 AM


Not as bad as "shoot the heart"...

It is because of that damn secret mission that I will never, ever attempt to 100% that game a second time.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on June 07, 2013, 01:18:41 AM
I like the idea of secret missions but I do no have the attention span to try to get them. It was a miracle a finished Vesperia at all.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on June 08, 2013, 03:00:23 AM
OK, we can stop panicking (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/07/tales-of-xillia-limed-edition-and-collectors-edition-both-include-dlc-costume-pack/).  Both the CE and LE have the DLC costumes and the music CD is the same.  The only differences with the CE are the figure and art book.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ranadiel on June 08, 2013, 08:16:00 AM
OK, we can stop panicking (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/07/tales-of-xillia-limed-edition-and-collectors-edition-both-include-dlc-costume-pack/).  Both the CE and LE have the DLC costumes and the music CD is the same.  The only differences with the CE are the figure and art book.

That is good to know, but I will continue my panicking!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on June 08, 2013, 09:49:48 AM
OK, we can stop panicking (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/07/tales-of-xillia-limed-edition-and-collectors-edition-both-include-dlc-costume-pack/).  Both the CE and LE have the DLC costumes and the music CD is the same.  The only differences with the CE are the figure and art book.

As I funk'd. The LE version is for those who missed out on the CE.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on June 08, 2013, 12:29:12 PM
OK, we can stop panicking (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/07/tales-of-xillia-limed-edition-and-collectors-edition-both-include-dlc-costume-pack/).  Both the CE and LE have the DLC costumes and the music CD is the same.  The only differences with the CE are the figure and art book.

Oh thank Go- waiiit...so I'm paying an extra $40 for an art book and a figma I'll never look at? Crimany...I wonder if I can change my pre-order...I do want that artbook, though...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 08, 2013, 12:40:25 PM
OK, we can stop panicking (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/07/tales-of-xillia-limed-edition-and-collectors-edition-both-include-dlc-costume-pack/).  Both the CE and LE have the DLC costumes and the music CD is the same.  The only differences with the CE are the figure and art book.

Oh thank Go- waiiit...so I'm paying an extra $40 for an art book and a figma I'll never look at? Crimany...I wonder if I can change my pre-order...I do want that artbook, though...

It's not a figma, I think it's the Banpresto one (http://myfigurecollection.net/item/110622) (sorry, had to correct, Figma's are more like anime action figures, this is just a statue).

Also, if you're like me, a collector of loverly artbooks, the CE has a 100 page artbook, the Day 1 edition is a 50 page "character profile" book.

If you're not gonna look at the figure, I can see why you'd bump the order down.  I'm still debating it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on June 08, 2013, 12:41:45 PM
Even with just the artbook, that's only 40 cents a page
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on June 08, 2013, 12:49:37 PM
OK, we can stop panicking (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/07/tales-of-xillia-limed-edition-and-collectors-edition-both-include-dlc-costume-pack/).  Both the CE and LE have the DLC costumes and the music CD is the same.  The only differences with the CE are the figure and art book.

Oh thank Go- waiiit...so I'm paying an extra $40 for an art book and a figma I'll never look at? Crimany...I wonder if I can change my pre-order...I do want that artbook, though...

It's not a figma, I think it's the Banpresto one (http://myfigurecollection.net/item/110622) (sorry, had to correct, Figma's are more like anime action figures, this is just a statue).

Also, if you're like me, a collector of loverly artbooks, the CE has a 100 page artbook, the Day 1 edition is a 50 page "character profile" book.

If you're not gonna look at the figure, I can see why you'd bump the order down.  I'm still debating it.

You're most likely right about the figure. I don't know if that makes it better or worse in my eyes. :/  And if the artbook is that big, I think it might be worth sticking with the CE, but I only consider it a $25 bonus, while the extra $15 is just free money for Namdai. They're lucky I like them...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on June 08, 2013, 03:16:10 PM
DAT TRAILER IS PRETTY SWEET
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on June 09, 2013, 08:41:12 PM
DAT TRAILER IS PRETTY SWEET

Yeah, that was a well done trailer, kudos to Bamco. The English voices sound really good too. I'm as hyped as I can be now, and it's still two months away. At least I have Graces f to tide me over, which is great in its own right.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: GuardianBoi on June 10, 2013, 02:56:47 AM
DAT TRAILER IS PRETTY SWEET

I pretty much had chills through out most of the trailer. I hope this gets MORE people excited about this game. When I was in Gamestop the other day, they also have a whole commercial thing about it. That also made me extremely happy. Now, it would be amazing if they could somehow get a commercial going on network TV. I remember seeing Xenosaga commercials back in the day, so it can be done! :)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on June 10, 2013, 06:50:23 AM
tried to finish graces and now something feels off from the last time i played it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ultra7k on June 13, 2013, 12:32:46 PM
Was on hiatus from Graces for the last month due to a busy schedule, but am back at it. The thing with this game, more than any other in recent memory for me is that it just seems to fly by as I play it.

I have every intention of beating this game by the next week, and while the whole super friends shtick gets kinda old, I've put that in the back of my mind because I think the characters (like most tales games) are pretty well developed.

I am stoked for Xillia.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on June 13, 2013, 10:43:35 PM
Man Tractor Beam in Vesperia is a life saver. I was having trouble with that bat boss in the caves, so I switched to Rita based on guide advice, and got him. After two tries. Couldn't get all of them caught in the blast radius the first time.

So, since I really like this game, I will eventually get Tales of Xillia. Any chance of that being a game released on PS4 when the streaming is available? PS4 has a lack of RPGS I've noticed.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on June 13, 2013, 11:22:00 PM
So, since I really like this game, I will eventually get Tales of Xillia. Any chance of that being a game released on PS4 when the streaming is available? PS4 has a lack of RPGS I've noticed.

Right now my attitude towards the whole streaming-PS3-games thing is that I'll believe it when I see it.  And I sure as hell wouldn't count on it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ultra7k on June 14, 2013, 01:37:19 PM
I sort of get the feeling that it will be like Xbox when they initially announced backwards compatibility, then just stopped doing it after a while.

Worst case scenario, you switch the HDMI/component cables and the power cables and away you go to play on the PS3.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on June 14, 2013, 02:22:04 PM
Ah then I'm set. Just need one of them ps3 things.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on June 17, 2013, 01:58:42 PM
Well, I just managed to get a pre-order for the Xillia Collectors Edition in. Turns out that Futureshop (Canadian equivalent to Best Buy, even though we actually have Best Buy) tends to keep bundles and special editions for longer than anywhere else.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on June 17, 2013, 04:31:53 PM
i would wait till tgs before we say it has a lack of rpg's
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on June 17, 2013, 05:13:17 PM
For launch on PS4? Yeah there is a lack. Even when TGS hits and they announce new rpgs, it will still take awhile beyond the launch window for them to be localized.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on June 17, 2013, 05:32:28 PM
For launch on PS4? Yeah there is a lack. Even when TGS hits and they announce new rpgs, it will still take awhile beyond the launch window for them to be localized.

Are you seriously surprised that there aren't many launch RPGs?  Unless someone is paying them to do it, I couldn't see why a company would deliberately kick itself in the balls by selling to a greatly reduced playerbase.  RPGs aren't exactly system sellers.

Plus look at all the shit that came out when the last gen first came out.  They mostly all sucked.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on June 17, 2013, 05:44:40 PM
Not surprised, just annoyed. I knew there wouldn't be any, I'm just trying to find games to keep me occupied. I'm halfway through Vesperia now, then I need to find another one.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on June 18, 2013, 08:39:29 PM
There are tons you can probably find now on current systems.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on June 18, 2013, 09:27:44 PM
Just not the Xbox. Okay, the Xbox has like 5, but the Wii has several good ones and the PS3 has a ton.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on June 19, 2013, 02:23:26 AM
According to GameFAQs/Gamespot these are the RPGs/SRPGs for the 360 released thus far (not counting XBLIG/XBLA/crap stuck in Japan).

Alpha Protocol
Arcania: Gothic 4
Blue Dragon*
Dark Souls

Divinity 2: Ego Draconis/The Dragon Knight Saga
Dragon Age 2
Dragon Age: Origins/Awakening
Dragon's Dogma/Dark Arisen
Dungeon Siege 3
Elder Scrolls 4*
Elder Scrolls 5
Enchanted Arms*
Eternal Sonata*

Fable 2
Fable 3
Fable Kinect
Fallout 3
Fallout: New Vegas
Final Fantasy 11*
Final Fantasy 13
Final Fantasy 13-2

Game of Thrones
Infinite Undiscovery
Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom
Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning
The Last Remnant
The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth 2
The Lord of the Rings: War in the North
Lost Odyssey
Magna Carta 2

Marvel: Ultimate Alliance*
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2
Mass Effect*
Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 3
Nier
Operation Darkness
Phantasy Star Universe*
Record of Agarest War
Record of Agarest War Zero
Resonance of Fate

Rise of the Argonauts
Risen
Risen 2: Dark Waters
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
Sid Meier's: Civilization Revolution
Spectral Force 3
Star Ocean 4
Tales of Vesperia

Two Worlds*
Two Worlds 2
Venetica
The Witcher 2
XCOM: Enemy Unknown
Zoids: Assault

For comparison sake here's the Wii's RPG/SRPG list (not counting GamecubeBC/Virtual Console/WiiWare):

Alien Syndrome*
Arc Rise Fantasia
Baroque

Battleship
Dokapon Kingdom
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn*

Final Fantasy Chronicles: Echos in Time
Final Fantasy Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo's Dungeon
Fragile Dreams: Farewell Ruins of the Moon
The Last Story

Marvel: Ultimate Alliance*
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2
Monster Hunter Tri
Monster Lab
Muramasa: The Demon Blade
Opoona
Pandora's Tower

Phantom Brave: We Meet Again
Pokemon Battle Revolution*
Rune Factory Frontier

Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny
Sakura Wars: So Long, My Love

Shiren the Wanderer
Spectrobes: Origins
Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga
Xenoblade Chronicles


And the PS3's list (not counting PS2BC/PSOne Classics/PSN):

3D Dot Game Heroes
Alpha Protocol
Ar Tonelico Qoga: Knell of Ar Ciel
Arcania: The Complete Tale
Atelier Ayesha: The Alchemist of Dusk
Atelier Meruru: The Apprentice of Arland
Atelier Rorona: The Alchemist of Arland
Atelier Totori: The Adventurer of Arland
Cross Edge

Dark Souls

DC Universe Online
Demon's Souls
Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice
Disgaea 4: A Promise Unforgotten
Disgaea D2: A Brighter Darkness

Dragon Age 2
Dragon Age: Origins/Awakening
Dragon's Dogma/Dark Arisen
Dungeon Siege 3
Elder Scrolls 4*
Elder Scrolls 5
Enchanted Arms*
Eternal Sonata

Fallout 3
Fallout: New Vegas
Final Fantasy 13
Final Fantasy 13-2

Game of Thrones
The Guided Fate Paradox
Hyperdimensional Neptuina
Hyperdimensional Neptuina mk2
Hyperdimensional Neptuina Victory

Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning
Last Rebellion
The Lord of the Rings: The War in the North
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance*
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2
Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 3
Mugen Souls
Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
Nier
Record of Agarest War
Record of Agarest War 2
Record of Agarest War Zero
Resonance of Fate

Rise of the Argonauts
Risen 2: Dark Waters
Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution
Sorcery
Star Ocean 4
Tales of Graces f
Tales of Xillia
Time and Eternity
Trinity Universe
Trinity: Souls of Zill O'll

Two Worlds 2
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom*
Valkyria Chronicles

Venetica
White Knight Chronicles
White Knight Chronicles 2

XCOM: Enemy Unknown

The stuff that's underlined is what came from Japan.
The stuff that's in bold is what's apparently exclusive for that system.
The stuff with the '*' next to them came out within the first two years (roughly) of the console's life.

The tl;dr is that the 360 has almost twice as many RPG related titles compared to the Wii but less than the PS3 and most of its library consists of multiplatform titles (Vesperia counts as its PS3 version is stranded in Japan; Nier doesn't since the PS3 also got Gestalt in the west in lieu of Replicant). More importantly though is that very few titles on any system came out within the first two years of that console's life (multiplatform or otherwise), and generally speaking suck more often than not.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Jotacon on June 19, 2013, 02:29:28 AM
Looking at the Kingdom Hearts Rookie thread I was kind of inspired and figured I'd ask you fine folks. I have limited experience with the Tales series, but it has always been something I think I would like. I have no problem with anime, I like the idea of skits and I like character driven stories. Also RPGs. I've played Tales of Phantasia and thought it was deadly boring and played the beginning of Tales of the Abyss twice and I liked it, but I didn't get far enough to get any more than just a feeling of 'pretty good'.
BUT! I like giving things more chances and the trailer for Xillia looks really cool. I just don't know where to start. I feel the combat could get boring in these games and I hear many people comment that certain games have good combat and others have crappier combat. Basically, I want to know where to start.
Should I wait for Xillia? I'm willing to try even for full price, even if I can't play it right now. If it is supposed to be good, I don't want to be bored of the games when it comes out. Or should I get Graces F or Vesperia? I hear Graces has good combat, but Vesperia has better characters. I can get either of those on the cheap or borrow them. Fans help me...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on June 19, 2013, 03:55:07 AM
You have the basic idea. Graces F has a really fun battle system but its story is ass and its characters are ridiculous archetypes. Vesperia's battle system is less visceral and more combo based, and the characters are much better (except for Rita, who I hate with a passion).

Honestly though, if you want to get Xillia I would wait because Tales games have a habit of burning you out if you play too much.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on June 19, 2013, 05:08:16 AM
Am I the only one who actually liked the Graces characters?  Well, with the notable exception of Pascal who I hate with a passion, much like how Ashtrot feels about Rita ;)  But seriously, though, I just found them more relatable than most Tales games (or most JRPGs for that matter).  Asbel is pretty far from the cool and confident type of protagonist and I understand how that can be annoying for people, but a lot of the problems he deals with (at least in the first half of the game, before super magical evil, etc.) are pretty down-to-earth.  Family problems (he actually has a real family, crazy I know!), trying to find he place in the world, etc.  Sure nothing about him is really super original (but it's a Tales game, come on) but I still don't think that he's archetypical simple because he felt more like a real person than a generic JRPG hero.  The conflict with his brother Hubert was actually believable.  I also really enjoyed Malik, who starts out seeming like a straight-laced military type but then as you play you find out he actually has an awesome sense of humor (I loved pretty much all Malik-Sophie interactions) and a pretty interesting backstory.  He's probably one of my favorite characters in any Tales game.

I'll admit that the female characters aren't as strong.  Pascal is an annoying pile of deus ex machina and Cheria is way too pure and innocent to be believable.  Sophie is extremely naive, of course, but at least she has a good reason for it so I can give her a pass.  And she probably gets the most character development of the bunch.  Still, I didn't hate Cheria and overall I think the cast had more solid characters than bad ones.

And of course the Graces f battle system is sweet.  I never got bored with it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ranadiel on June 19, 2013, 07:11:02 AM
Am I the only one who actually liked the Graces characters?  Well, with the notable exception of Pascal who I hate with a passion, much like how Ashtrot feels about Rita ;)  But seriously, though, I just found them more relatable than most Tales games (or most JRPGs for that matter).  Asbel is pretty far from the cool and confident type of protagonist and I understand how that can be annoying for people, but a lot of the problems he deals with (at least in the first half of the game, before super magical evil, etc.) are pretty down-to-earth.  Family problems (he actually has a real family, crazy I know!), trying to find he place in the world, etc.  Sure nothing about him is really super original (but it's a Tales game, come on) but I still don't think that he's archetypical simple because he felt more like a real person than a generic JRPG hero.  The conflict with his brother Hubert was actually believable.  I also really enjoyed Malik, who starts out seeming like a straight-laced military type but then as you play you find out he actually has an awesome sense of humor (I loved pretty much all Malik-Sophie interactions) and a pretty interesting backstory.  He's probably one of my favorite characters in any Tales game.

I'll admit that the female characters aren't as strong.  Pascal is an annoying pile of deus ex machina and Cheria is way too pure and innocent to be believable.  Sophie is extremely naive, of course, but at least she has a good reason for it so I can give her a pass.  And she probably gets the most character development of the bunch.  Still, I didn't hate Cheria and overall I think the cast had more solid characters than bad ones.

And of course the Graces f battle system is sweet.  I never got bored with it.

I don't know about "only", but I certainly do not care for the characters at all. Okay, actually I do like Pascal and Marik (and I suppose Hubert is mildly tolerable).....actually maybe I don't dislike the characters. Maybe my hatred for Cheria, Asbel, and their horrible forced romance just blinds me to the other characters when I think back to the game. I found Asbel constantly changing his "role in the world" to be infuriating.

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Really when he decided to stop being a knight in order to take over for his father to just be mind boggling. He was good as a knight. He was completely unprepared for leading a region. Really his father screwed up the line of succession as Hubert clearly was the one better suited for taking his place. And I'm just going to drop this because I have limited time and I'd like to get into a Cheria rant before I run out of time.

So yeah....Cheria, horrible character. She's a person who is trapped in the past and refuses to move past when she what? 8? (I suppose Asbel has this issue as well) She just is stuck in the exact same place, and she never grows. I know that her aid work is suppose to be her growth or w/e, but she just is yearning for the past and I don't recall her ever getting past that.....in fact the world just decides to grant her wish because why the hell not. Her love for Asbel? Totally just a childhood crush that really only exists because it seems like it was "expected" or something. Her and Asbel have no chemistry and could probably barely stand being in the same room as each other if it wasn't for their "pure and perfect love". Frankly I see their marriage ending up being very passive aggressive, where both of them hate each other without realizing it and staying together just because they have convinced themselves that they are in love. And goddamn it, this relationship gets way too much attention. Arggh!!!!

So yeah, love Pascal and Marik. I don't care if Pascal is deus ex machine like. She is hilarious and entertaining in the inter party conversations. And Marik is just awesome. Unfortunatly those two are not enough to over power my hatred for Asbel and Cheria. >.>
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on June 19, 2013, 09:47:18 AM
Whats wrong with you fools? Rita FTW. Mainly because she has been known to hurt Karol. I've only played Vesperia, and have nothing to compare it too, but the game is very good so far. There are a few difficulty spikes though. So if you try the demo for that one, just know that the game is better than that.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on June 19, 2013, 10:51:42 AM
I don't know where the characters comment is coming from for Graces F. I don't find them NEARLY as archetypal as the cast from almost every other Tales game I've played (particularly Abyss) I also kind of like Pascal, mostly because she's the only character without a stick up her ass.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on June 19, 2013, 04:34:35 PM
Whats wrong with you fools? Rita FTW. Mainly because she has been known to hurt Karol.
That is exactly what's wrong with her. The violent girl archetype pisses me off. Violence for the sake of violence is really fucking annoying to me. You COULD make a case for Revan's abuse (because he's kind of a perv, and even then it's not so acceptable), but Karol? The only thing he's guilty of is being a bit over-enthusiastic. That really doesn't merit a karate chop to the face. With Yuri, the setup for his violence is understood, dealt with maturely (though dropped halfway through), and had an impact on his relationship with everyone else. With Rita? "Oh, she gets a free pass because it's KAROL." Seriously, wat.

As for the Graces characters, I dunno, Asbel's whole "I'm leaving for ten years and never coming back" thing annoyed me. I know he wanted to be a man but it reeked of immaturity, and his solutions for every problem in the game was really immature, shonen-esque stuff. Cheria was annoying purely because of her waifu-ness, Sophie's boring, Hubert's a douche, and Pascal's the generic Genki Girl. I felt the most connection with Malik and his consistent trolling (he reminds me of Calvin's dad from Calvin & Hobbes).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on June 19, 2013, 05:08:11 PM
Violence for the sake of comedy in a video game to lighten the mood of said video game is perfectly fine. Every game has serious moments, but unless the game is really, really, really dark and serious, I'd like to have some comedy in there. Rita's violence is funny to me, and I'm sure to some other people too. Its a light hearted moment in a video game, that you shouldn't take so damn seriously, unless it is totally offensive, which I don't see here.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Der Jermeister on June 19, 2013, 05:26:06 PM
I tend to play the Tales games more for their gameplay than their story, and I personally felt Abyss had the best of the series from what I've experienced.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on June 19, 2013, 05:31:18 PM
I understand that, and over the top slapstick makes me laugh sometimes, but Rita's violence was less over the top slapstick and more reminiscent of abuse, which is why I don't find it funny at all.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 19, 2013, 05:45:33 PM
I tend to play the Tales games more for their gameplay than their story, and I personally felt Abyss had the best of the series from what I've experienced.

100%. :)

Whats wrong with you fools? Rita FTW. Mainly because she has been known to hurt Karol.
That is exactly what's wrong with her. The violent girl archetype pisses me off. Violence for the sake of violence is really fucking annoying to me. You COULD make a case for Revan's abuse (because he's kind of a perv, and even then it's not so acceptable), but Karol? The only thing he's guilty of is being a bit over-enthusiastic. That really doesn't merit a karate chop to the face. With Yuri, the setup for his violence is understood, dealt with maturely (though dropped halfway through), and had an impact on his relationship with everyone else. With Rita? "Oh, she gets a free pass because it's KAROL." Seriously, wat.

As for the Graces characters, I dunno, Asbel's whole "I'm leaving for ten years and never coming back" thing annoyed me. I know he wanted to be a man but it reeked of immaturity, and his solutions for every problem in the game was really immature, shonen-esque stuff. Cheria was annoying purely because of her waifu-ness, Sophie's boring, Hubert's a douche, and Pascal's the generic Genki Girl. I felt the most connection with Malik and his consistent trolling (he reminds me of Calvin's dad from Calvin & Hobbes).

I hate those too.  But I will say Rita was more than that, I didn't like her FOR the abuse, but I admire her smarts. 
But on the other hand, I hated how difficult she was to get alone with.  She'd annoy me if she was real.

Asbel did grow through a lot of hell, and when he DID decide to leave, he was a young kid.  I did admire him trying to change around a tragic point in his life.  From there out though, I do admire that he wasn't really the....um, coolest protagonist the series has seen, I foudn him good-hearted but terribly simple-minded (now whether that's endearing or stupid is up to you... in the end, the most I liked from him was solely within the realm of skits and win quotes).

Cheria was awful.  She's the best friend I'd want just from sheer girly-ness, but she's useless to the plot otherwise.  Asbel!  Asssbell!!  All of her stupid ribbon accessories deal with dating a guy or getting noticed.

Sophie I do actually find endearing.

Malik was great.

And Hubert...despite having probably the biggest issues to deal with in his childhood is a lot like Rita: Incredibly frustrating to get along with.  I like his win quotes, but that stick is so far up his butt he's constantly sour from it.

Pascal was great, she helps divert the mediocrity from the rest of the crew who can be kind of dull.

Ironically, despite how dull the cast was this time around, the victory quites were probably the best from the series.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on June 19, 2013, 06:55:38 PM
Ash let me borrow Tales of Hearts R. It is awesome. Xillia cannot get here soon enough.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on June 19, 2013, 07:21:27 PM
I like Asbel because of how he keeps striving against the world.
Sophie is awesome because she progresses the most out of everyone (she's an emotionless machine at the beginning... big difference at the end)
Malik is ok, he's the sort of guy you'd want to hang out with.

Everyone else I didn't care about. Just kept Cheria because you need some healing.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on June 19, 2013, 07:56:31 PM
I love the Graces f cast. I dunno, I find them just as charming as the characters from the previous Tales games I've played. That being said, it did take me a bit longer to warm up to them, but now I do enjoy adventuring with them.

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on June 20, 2013, 05:19:38 AM
pascal is the greatest character ever.
i had no problem with rita's violence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IToR1Hbg7gw
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on June 20, 2013, 05:57:26 AM
pascal is the greatest character ever.
i had no problem with rita's violence.

I honestly don't think I've disagreed with a Tales character opinion more in my life.

I agree with Tunnels, though.  I don't necessarily dislike the Graces characters (except Asbel during the main game, but he gets better during f arc), but I don't love them, either.  Pascal really rubbed me the wrong way too, but her English voice actress did a beautiful job and deserves a ton of credit.  

I found them much more likeable than just about every character in Abyss.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 20, 2013, 12:47:53 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=65080111&postcount=1036
bunch of screens n things

Meh
It'd be great if they added some bloom-effects and made the faces look a little less jpeg'd (even if you didn't the Wind Waker's new HD style, at least they made some efforts to change the game's appearance).  But with whatever tweaks and the fact it's a dual pack probably being released for less than the usual $60 pricetag, I'll be happy.  I miss the hell out of Symphonia.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on June 20, 2013, 04:55:00 PM
Yeah, I'm not digging the look at all.  I guess it's just a visually cleaned up, widescreen port of ToS plus ToS2?  I was hoping for a little more than that I suppose.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 20, 2013, 04:59:52 PM
Yeah, I'm not digging the look at all.  I guess it's just a visually cleaned up, widescreen port of ToS plus ToS2?  I was hoping for a little more than that I suppose.

PS2 content?  =/

Oh and word on the grapevine says we're getting Dual-Audio (possibly addressing the Q of whether skits will be technically "Voiced"...but that remains to be seen if ENG VAs are coming back).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on June 20, 2013, 05:03:10 PM
I didn't know there was additional PS2 content.  I guess now that you mention it, I do remember it being ported to the PS2 somewhere (Japan or Europe) back in the day, but I didn't know they added anything.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 20, 2013, 05:10:53 PM
I didn't know there was additional PS2 content.  I guess now that you mention it, I do remember it being ported to the PS2 somewhere (Japan or Europe) back in the day, but I didn't know they added anything.

Remember that giant but irrelevant casino in Altamira (Regal's home)?  Well now you can play in it!

Otherwise:

Major
The game's theme song has been changed from Starry Heavens to Soshite Boku ni Dekiru Koto. It sounds quite similar to the original and was performed by the same band, Day After Tomorrow.

The Tales of Symphonia logo is magenta-colored instead of blue.

New anime sequences play inside of the Triet Ruins when Colette first receives her wings, and when the group first steals Rheairds from the Sylvarant Base.

The end credits now feature a montage of portraits off to the left side.

Each playable character, as well as some enemies, has a Mystic Arte (秘奥義?”Hi Ougi”). This must be done under special conditions and inflicts massive damage to the enemy. In the GameCube version, only Lloyd, Colette, and Genis have one.

Graphical

Each character receives an extra costume, which depend on whom Lloyd chooses in Flanoir.

The Synopsis option in the menu now displays newer entries at the top.

The skit portraits shake and move around more to better display the characters' emotions.

When a character is about to enter Over Limit, their portrait will start to glow. In the GameCube version, the characters flash red.

When the Unison Attack gauge fills up, it glows.

Most of the angels' wings are now of a deeper color.

The GameCube-object in the Sylvarant Base has been removed and replaced by the Sony logo.

The Sword Dancer now appears on the field as a regular white skull.

When Sheena summons a spirit, a cut-in of her face appears on the screen.

There are more post-battle animations.

The dark rooms in the Tower of Lightning have gone from slightly visible to pitch-black.

Events

There are now a set of several books about Mithos the Hero. They can be read for deeper insight into the character and the Kharlan War itself.

There are two new events that will let you get more insight into the ancient hero, Mithos. The first can be watched by talking to Mithos while he is living in Altessa's House, and the second can be watched by speaking with Yuan after the events in Welgaia.

After completely restoring Luin, a chat with Pietro can trigger a scene where both him and the village residents thank the party by allowing one of them to become honorary mayor. Whoever takes this role is the player’s choice and whoever out of the party chosen will get a point in affection.

The sealed spirits of young Kratos, Yuan, and Mithos can be challenged in the Underworld instead of the Living Armor of the GameCube edition.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on June 20, 2013, 05:46:46 PM
Me likey the changes. It's not quite as big an overhaul as hoped, but hey, I'll take it.

Also if they ever do a Vita port I will give them more luvs than one every thought possible.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on June 20, 2013, 06:13:16 PM
Every future Playstation RPG should be required to be Cross-platform with the Vita and have save transfer. I would have beaten Ni no Kuni ages ago is it was on the Vita.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Jotacon on June 26, 2013, 01:05:08 AM
Thanks to everybody who suggested stuff. I figure it would be best if I just try out the new game and engage in a new conversation instead of getting tangled up in an old one. Unless, I like Xillia and go back and play the others. Now, all I have to do is wait.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 26, 2013, 02:37:19 AM
Thanks to everybody who suggested stuff. I figure it would be best if I just try out the new game and engage in a new conversation instead of getting tangled up in an old one. Unless, I like Xillia and go back and play the others. Now, all I have to do is wait.

Xillia is pretty good, but if you can and you haven't, check out Graces for a beautiful JRPG battle system (and if you read the Game Journal, it really is a game that keeps on giving -- it should be pretty cheap these days too).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Jotacon on June 26, 2013, 02:50:16 AM
 I found it for $15 and I might be able to borrow it off a friend, I just don't want to get burned out on the series especially if Graces is so long. Then again, I''m not playing any RPGs (at all, it's very upsetting) right now, so maybe I will.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Der Jermeister on June 26, 2013, 05:28:44 PM
My biggest problem with Graces was annoying dungeon design at times and lack of in-game maps for dungeons. Even The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past had those, so for modern titles to lack that feature in my mind is inexcusable.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on June 26, 2013, 08:03:30 PM
Vesperia doesn't have dungeon maps either. Either that or I'm just not finding them. Only one has had a map so far. Speaking of that dungeon. The twist was awesome.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ultra7k on June 26, 2013, 08:29:02 PM
For the most part everything is fairly straight forward in Graces, and in my opinion in this case a dungeon map would just be hand holding. Unless it really becomes necessary in the Future arc....As I played it, the main storyline clocked in at about 62 hours for me, and supposedly the epilogue is another 10-15. I don't consider myself a completionist, and there are more than a few side quests that I just didn't do, but at no point in the game did I want it to be over. To me, it felt appropriate in length.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: MereMare on June 29, 2013, 02:46:36 AM
Is Graces f the only Tales game where everything is learned via titles? I know none of the older Tales games doesn't have this.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on June 29, 2013, 02:50:33 AM
Is Graces f the only Tales game where everything is learned via titles? I know none of the older Tales games doesn't have this.

Titles before had "perks" (most too minor for big game-changers), but little else. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 03, 2013, 03:34:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/SIHsw3H.jpg)

source (https://twitter.com/tales_ch/status/352221113574637568)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on July 03, 2013, 03:37:05 PM
Oh my!

But, er, what timezone's 4th/6th?

That is, will those of us in North America be getting information tomorrow?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on July 03, 2013, 03:53:14 PM
Oh my!

But, er, what timezone's 4th/6th?

That is, will those of us in North America be getting information tomorrow?

Probably.

Now whether the news is about the latest overpriced DLC sold piecemeal or not is the question.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on July 03, 2013, 04:18:53 PM
True, it could just be an announcement of $5 DLC costumes coming to the western release of ToX.

I'm trying not to be so pessimistic, though.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 03, 2013, 04:30:19 PM
Likely information on:

- ToX2
- ToS 1 and 2 "HD" dual-audio
- ToV PS3 (haaha)
- PSN classics

And probably one or either of the first two, especially if this is a NA/EU event as opposed to a Japanese one.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on July 03, 2013, 04:56:39 PM
It's Anime Expo in Los Angeles, so it's a North American event.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on July 04, 2013, 03:00:43 AM
Wait, they're doing it at Anime Expo?  I'm actually at AX right now and I didn't know that...I'll have to check the schedule.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ranadiel on July 04, 2013, 07:29:50 AM
Likely information on:

- ToX2
- ToS 1 and 2 "HD" dual-audio
- ToV PS3 (haaha)
- PSN classics

And probably one or either of the first two, especially if this is a NA/EU event as opposed to a Japanese one.

Don't laugh at my dreams of playing Tales of Vesparia in English on the PS3 without having to wait for the fan translation patch that is taking forever! It will be announced! I believe it will happen. :( :p
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 04, 2013, 07:59:33 AM
^Fans are still waiting for Vesperia? Like, for real?

Edit: Tales of Symphonia Chronicles will have Dual Audio (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/07/tales-of-symphonia-chronicles-will-have.html) -- All Games Beta
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on July 04, 2013, 08:26:58 AM
^Fans are still waiting for Vesperia? Like, for real?

The only thing that was left in Pandora's box was Hope after all.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on July 04, 2013, 09:27:07 AM
^Fans are still waiting for Vesperia? Like, for real?

Tales of fans man. They're almost as crazy as FF fans.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 04, 2013, 10:55:06 AM
^Fans are still waiting for Vesperia? Like, for real?

Tales of fans man. They're almost as crazy as FF fans.

Naw, it's because it "seems" like it world be an easy sell and fans were teased about it a number of times for nothing to happen.  The issue is more bitter feelings because it was "solved" in an ugly manner.

^Fans are still waiting for Vesperia? Like, for real?

Edit: Tales of Symphonia Chronicles will have Dual Audio (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/07/tales-of-symphonia-chronicles-will-have.html) -- All Games Beta

Surpri---!!!  ....Nope, not really.  Maybe it's just the attachment and nostalgic love I had for ToS, but I preferred the English cast anyways.  But yay, weeabos should be thrilled.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on July 05, 2013, 01:20:53 AM
The only problem I see with this is if future titles don't have dual audio fans will be like 'WHY NOT THEY DID IT BEFORE"
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on July 05, 2013, 02:40:26 AM
Fuck symphonia, I want Vesperia 1.1 for ps3. I'd take a Xillia delay if they announced Vesperia PS3 englisb.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ranadiel on July 05, 2013, 08:10:12 AM
^Fans are still waiting for Vesperia? Like, for real?

Edit: Tales of Symphonia Chronicles will have Dual Audio (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/07/tales-of-symphonia-chronicles-will-have.html) -- All Games Beta

I personally am not......okay yes I am. I'm just not waiting on an official release, that was just me joking. I've got a Japanese copy and a CFW PS3 and I am just waiting on the fan translation patch.....which is taking freaking forever. >.>
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on July 05, 2013, 10:11:03 AM
At this point you might as well just learn Japanese.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 05, 2013, 11:42:46 AM
At this point you might as well just learn Japanese.

Fan translations are a cruel thing almost.  God bless 'em for doing the hard work they do for free, but man, the amount of time they take (since it's done in free time and as unpaid work) makes me sadly finicky about it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on July 05, 2013, 12:22:23 PM
They're also not usually all that good for how much time is put into them. Mind you it's not as bad as a machine translation or something, but it seems like most amateur translators have a great grasp of Japanese > English translation, but not so much a grasp on English grammar.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 05, 2013, 01:33:31 PM
They're also not usually all that good for how much time is put into them. Mind you it's not as bad as a machine translation or something, but it seems like most amateur translators have a great grasp of Japanese > English translation, but not so much a grasp on English grammar.

No matter; Dejap's Tales of Phantasia translation is *totally* the superior fan translation even compared to the official one. x)

(http://stevethefish.net/superfamicom/phantasia/phantasia04.png)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on July 05, 2013, 01:51:05 PM
They're also not usually all that good for how much time is put into them. Mind you it's not as bad as a machine translation or something, but it seems like most amateur translators have a great grasp of Japanese > English translation, but not so much a grasp on English grammar.

No matter; Dejap's Tales of Phantasia translation is *totally* the superior fan translation even compared to the official one. x)

(http://stevethefish.net/superfamicom/phantasia/phantasia04.png)

fo sure
Some people argue that they took too many liberties with the script, but sometimes, between a terrible well translated joke or a new joke with liberties that's actually funny... you're better with the later.

-----

Heck, I'm actually going to go deeper in my argument here.
Having done translation once, I can fully understand what went through their minds.

Take this example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14011431@N04/2705889296/in/set-72157603569309062
The original text was about 2 JAPANESE books with different styles that are in JAPANESE only and the only reason JAPANESE people read these books is that most school make students read them.

I could have translated this faithfully... but that would just be a big wtfnofunny.
So I took liberties. I considered that I am reaching to an English speaking audience around the world who's only common point is that they played Persona 3. From there, I valued that the most common trait would be to play jRPGs. Among jRPGs, most people know at least a bit about FFVIII and FFX. So, instead of Japanese books, it's now about FFVIII and FFX.

The raw essence of the joke is about the same, but now people can actually A) understand it B) think it's slightly funny.

On the other hand... this one I'm ashamed of: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14011431@N04/1480093758/in/set-72157603569309062

That one is just impossible to localize well and it just sucks... I ended up putting an explanation page after explaining who that guy is and that he does flower arrangement. Not funny at all.

-----

And then there's this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14011431@N04/2584684870/in/set-72157603569309062
That's another one that was untranslatable and I just went f-it... I'm making a Tsukihime joke here because it just fits so well.
It has nothing at all to do with the initial joke, but this one at least can potentially be pretty funny.

So, ahoy to Arche and nuptial tiger-like behaviours.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on July 05, 2013, 02:45:41 PM
Yeah, Phantasia is kind of bland. The problem I have with that line though is that it's Claus, who's 29, talking about a 17 year old. Adds some creepy, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 05, 2013, 07:03:47 PM
They're also not usually all that good for how much time is put into them. Mind you it's not as bad as a machine translation or something, but it seems like most amateur translators have a great grasp of Japanese > English translation, but not so much a grasp on English grammar.

No matter; Dejap's Tales of Phantasia translation is *totally* the superior fan translation even compared to the official one. x)

(http://stevethefish.net/superfamicom/phantasia/phantasia04.png)

fo sure
Some people argue that they took too many liberties with the script, but sometimes, between a terrible well translated joke or a new joke with liberties that's actually funny... you're better with the later.

-----

Heck, I'm actually going to go deeper in my argument here.
Having done translation once, I can fully understand what went through their minds.

Take this example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14011431@N04/2705889296/in/set-72157603569309062
The original text was about 2 JAPANESE books with different styles that are in JAPANESE only and the only reason JAPANESE people read these books is that most school make students read them.

I could have translated this faithfully... but that would just be a big wtfnofunny.
So I took liberties. I considered that I am reaching to an English speaking audience around the world who's only common point is that they played Persona 3. From there, I valued that the most common trait would be to play jRPGs. Among jRPGs, most people know at least a bit about FFVIII and FFX. So, instead of Japanese books, it's now about FFVIII and FFX.

The raw essence of the joke is about the same, but now people can actually A) understand it B) think it's slightly funny.

On the other hand... this one I'm ashamed of: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14011431@N04/1480093758/in/set-72157603569309062

That one is just impossible to localize well and it just sucks... I ended up putting an explanation page after explaining who that guy is and that he does flower arrangement. Not funny at all.

-----

And then there's this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14011431@N04/2584684870/in/set-72157603569309062
That's another one that was untranslatable and I just went f-it... I'm making a Tsukihime joke here because it just fits so well.
It has nothing at all to do with the initial joke, but this one at least can potentially be pretty funny.

So, ahoy to Arche and nuptial tiger-like behaviours.[/size]

I like this post and all therein.  I prefer and admire when dubbers/translators cater to the audience they're referring to, even if (unfortnately or not) it's authentic to the original.  So kudos there (what else have you translated???).

Also, speak of the devil sorta, rumor of a re-dub and re-translation for Symphonia are buzzing the net.  It's [allegedly] still in the talks, but I guess it would make sense given the amount of extra content, the ownership of the original translation, and the sticky issue between ToS1 and ToS2's voice cast.

...of course, Tales fans have again shit their pants over the matter (in shock or just generally being aghast to the idea).

EDIT, 'NOTHER RUMOR: Xill likely for Day 1 digital
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ranadiel on July 06, 2013, 08:03:00 AM
They're also not usually all that good for how much time is put into them. Mind you it's not as bad as a machine translation or something, but it seems like most amateur translators have a great grasp of Japanese > English translation, but not so much a grasp on English grammar.
Well the thing about the Tales of Vesperia fan translation is.....apparently the 360 English files are on the disk, so they just have to translate the new content (or at least I recall hearing that a year or two ago). Further they are apparently checking over their translations like three times.....hence why it is taking forever as the initial translation has been done for like a year or two now. Honestly at this point I would be perfectly fine if they didn't do so much check over because I just want to play the game at this point. x_x
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 06, 2013, 11:19:28 AM
(http://abload.de/img/tox2_____fjszg.jpg)
...Aaaaand there it is.

EDIT: Please don't do that.

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 06, 2013, 01:14:45 PM
(http://img.goodsmile.info/cgm/ecommerce/goodsmile/images/large/8348f2c0b72d187a2303279889c16682.jpg)

The cuteness is too much.... these must be on my shelf....maybe two sets, one for shelf at home and one for the tattoo room-LoL
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 06, 2013, 01:37:23 PM
^ There's also the "secret" Leon figure.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Embryon on July 06, 2013, 01:53:41 PM
Wow. I can't believe I just read that spoiler. I misinterpreted it as you making some kind of joke based on my headline.

Even under a spoiler tag, why would you post that? :(
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Starmongoose on July 06, 2013, 01:59:04 PM
Huh, what could be so bad a spoiler tag couldn't be enough? Were you posting porn again, Dice?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Embryon on July 06, 2013, 02:02:32 PM
It was an ending spoiler for ToX2. The first game isn't even out here and it was labeled as "RPGFan spoilerz for newz," so I thought it was a joke. I'm at fault for reading it, but I wanted to spare others from accidentally looking at it too.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on July 06, 2013, 02:06:25 PM
Actually, I read it too and ended up getting spoiled. At the very least, I think a more clear "yo dawg ToX2 spoilers!" would have been good. When it just said "RPGFan News Spoilers" I was like "oh hey, I read RPGFan News!"
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 06, 2013, 02:10:21 PM
Heh, I did like the edit, but I'm really, really sorry, I had no intention to be misleading, I'm really embarrassed right now.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Embryon on July 06, 2013, 02:12:30 PM
Hey, if it was an innocent mistake, then no harm done. Well, I mean... I'm kinda bummed, but I certainly can't hold it against you. Haha. :)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Starmongoose on July 06, 2013, 02:18:22 PM
Man, how good would it be if that Men in Black thingy existed and we could wipe our memories of stuff like this.

Well, best I can do is this frying pan. C'mere, it'll only hurt for a minute.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 06, 2013, 02:19:57 PM
Again, sorry... I've been "around" information for the game for too much and too long (hell, Xill1 is two years old already).  If anything though, I'm really happy about this news, especially after the 4 year Tales drought we went through that finally ended a year ago with Graces.  But also, while Xill1 was decent enough, it was far from my favorite from what I played, but the second game is (unanimously, form what I've heard on most fronts) a far superior title -- which makes me happy because I get giddy anytime I hear a sequel outrank its predecessor.

Man, how good would it be if that Men in Black thingy existed and we could wipe our memories of stuff like this.

Well, best I can do is this frying pan. C'mere, it'll only hurt for a minute.

I think about that all the time.
But I also think it exists in some form: After studying for a test, I feel like I remember nothing the next day.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on July 06, 2013, 02:21:24 PM
This is why I reveal those spoiler boxes one word at a time. Got to "At the end" and immediately stopped.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Starmongoose on July 06, 2013, 02:23:52 PM
This is why I reveal those spoiler boxes one word at a time. Got to "At the end" and immediately stopped.

Oh, that's a good idea. I feel dumb not doing that now.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 06, 2013, 02:26:18 PM
This is why I reveal those spoiler boxes one word at a time. Got to "At the end" and immediately stopped.

I actually do that do.  Mainly because I unfortunately have a curious instinct that JUST HAS TO LOOK BEHIND THE BLACK CURTAIN OF SPOILS.  If I see endgame stuff, I resist.  Ash kinda spoiled Last of Us a bit with his anatomy lesson, or at least enough to clue in, but for the most part, I'm clean of it (till a fucking co-worker spilt the beans, on purpose, the f*ck).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on July 06, 2013, 02:47:10 PM
It's okay, I don't think anyone meant to be like 'NYAHAHA SPOILED YA NOW SUCK IT.' Honest boo-boo :)

Plus I think we're letting this take us away from the fact that THREE TALES GAMES WILL BE OUT IN TWO YEARS
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 06, 2013, 02:56:48 PM
It's okay, I don't think anyone meant to be like 'NYAHAHA SPOILED YA NOW SUCK IT.' Honest boo-boo :)

Plus I think we're letting this take us away from the fact that THREE TALES GAMES WILL BE OUT IN TWO YEARS

Thanks Tae, and thanks Embryon.  I honestly never meant to ruin anything.  If we do the RPGfan Social one day, you can headlock me and gimme the people's elbow.

And yeah, they really are fulfilling their Tales-filled year(s) promise.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on July 06, 2013, 03:49:49 PM
Now that I know we have dual-audio in Symphonia, I'm REALLY interested to see if they're bringing anyone back in to record the English skits-- just to have parity with the J-version. OR, if they're saying "we  couldn't get Menville back, but we gave you Japanese as a bone!"

Either way, I'm stoked. So many Tales games that I want to buy and wish I had more time to play hahaha.

In other news, Hearts R on Vita is awesome.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Fadedsun on July 06, 2013, 04:05:51 PM
Are these games even good anymore? I feel like there's a million of them and they all look the same. I stopped playing Tales after Eternia on PS1.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 06, 2013, 04:11:06 PM
Are these games even good anymore? I feel like there's a million of them and they all look the same. I stopped playing Tales after Eternia on PS1.

Yeah.

First off they're one of the few big JRPG series that survived post-PS2 (Breath of Fire, gone, Mana series, gone, SaGa, gone, Suikoden, almost gone, Wild Arms, bye-bye, etc.).

Tales of the Abyss has one of the best videogame storylines I've seen (it's "very complete" at the very least; someone back this up they want), and certainly one of the best in the series (I speak for myself, but I'm sure many agree it's at least a highlight of the series).

Tales of Graces sports on the most fun battle systems in real-time RPGs.  Unfortuantely lacks that awesome storyline that's anything more than predictable.  You'll put a LOT of time into this one for everything, literally, everything else in it though.

Vesperia provides a great atmosphere, better-than-average combat, and a big beautiful world with lotsa sidequests (especially if you enjoyed Eternia; but unlike Eternia, Vesperia has an awesome cast of characters).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on July 06, 2013, 04:44:04 PM
The Tales series evolves organically as it goes on while using different plots and worlds that differ in fundamental ways. For example, while Eternia and Symphonia both have a dual-world thing, they approach it from completely different angles. Pretty much all the games have something in their gameplay to set them apart, and the characters are great. Eternia was where the series really started going.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on July 06, 2013, 05:39:53 PM
Wooo! Glad to hear this! My PS3 will be getting some real Tales love in the next couple years.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Fadedsun on July 06, 2013, 05:47:38 PM
Hmm, maybe I'll check out Abyss. That's the one they ported over to the 3DS, right? Has anyone played that version? Is it worth getting?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on July 06, 2013, 06:36:13 PM
If you can get past the absurdly abstract concept that is Fonons then yeah, Abyss' storyline is one of the absolute best. It's just a shame that it didn't have all that great a cast of characters. Some of my favorite alternate costumes, though :p
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 06, 2013, 06:42:46 PM
Abyss' storyline is one of the absolute best. It's just a shame that it didn't have all that great a cast of characters.

While that's subjective and all that I have to disagree.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on July 06, 2013, 07:50:06 PM
Abyss' storyline is one of the absolute best. It's just a shame that it didn't have all that great a cast of characters.

While that's subjective and all that I have to disagree.

Agreed. Thought Abyss' characters were the best in the series.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 07, 2013, 12:31:28 AM
Abyss' storyline is one of the absolute best. It's just a shame that it didn't have all that great a cast of characters.

While that's subjective and all that I have to disagree.

Agreed. Thought Abyss' characters were the best in the series.

I'm at a tie between Abyss' and Vesperia's cast for "best".  Abyss had damn good storylines behind each of them, but I find team Vesperia jived a bit better without the use of "back stories" to beef up their characterization (at least, other than Raven and Yuri to some extent, there wasn't any major "dark past" characters had, whereas most of Abyss' had some to MANY skeletons in the closet).

If you can get past the absurdly abstract concept that is Fonons then yeah, Abyss' storyline is one of the absolute best. It's just a shame that it didn't have all that great a cast of characters. Some of my favorite alternate costumes, though :p

I thought fonons were a cute way of subbing in for about half a dozen pseudo-realistic scientific concepts (and magic) without further driving the amount of technobabble already in the game.  I did like the politics though, issues with free-will and destiny, and ideas about the meaning of life (especially with Luke's complicated scenario), and all were crammed in quite successfully into one, very complete (i.e., it doesn't need a sequel) plot.

Butt fuck. Graces battle system was awesome.  I've said it before, but any game that makes mages 'fun' to play as deserves an award.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on July 07, 2013, 01:19:16 AM
I thought Fonon's were one of the coolest magic systems in Tales history, to be honest. I liked it a lot better than Aer/Blastia in Vesperia and Cryas in Graces.

Also, Tales of the Abyss is my favorite because of one very key scene:

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Luke's issues with killing an enemy soldier. How many JRPGs throw human enemies at you and no one ever says anything about the wholesale slaughter your ragtag group of anime teenagers just performed? I cannot think of many other JRPGs that out right say that when you fight human enemies you are in fact killing them, and goes so far as to address the issue. I understand that this is largely done in part to demonstrate the depth of Luke's sheltered upbringing, but so much of JRPGs normal battles seem to exist on an abstract level that they sometimes feel disconnected from the rest of the game. I guess what I'm saying is that TotA took a look at something tons of RPGs do and most players take in stride.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on July 07, 2013, 01:57:04 AM
2014 better mean like january......
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on July 07, 2013, 02:15:40 AM
Hmm, maybe I'll check out Abyss. That's the one they ported over to the 3DS, right? Has anyone played that version? Is it worth getting?
Shameless self plug time (http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/Tales_of_the_Abyss_3DS/)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 07, 2013, 03:00:27 AM
Hmm, maybe I'll check out Abyss. That's the one they ported over to the 3DS, right? Has anyone played that version? Is it worth getting?
Shameless self plug time (http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/Tales_of_the_Abyss_3DS/)

And on that: I feel like a lot of Abyss' battle system is a wasted opportunity. 

FOF was best with Jade in the party, but only with a high level spell (I still find the trade-off between how much damage they can deal vs. time spent casting a dubious matter for mages).  Made worse that only certain skills worked for them which would limit the artes you have equipped to a set that catered to FOF's.

Free run makes a lot of even the hardest bosses a mere exercise in running circles around them.

The 'Chambers' (forgot their formal name) are way too few and take way too long to build up and experiment with.

And unless you're planning on carrying over capacity core's or using 2x EXP in New Game+ then building AD skills just sucks butt.

I'd kill to see a proper remake of Abyss, graphically I think it would be stunning, but also to give a battle system that had tons of good ideas a new opportunity to shine.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on July 07, 2013, 09:09:53 AM
@Alisha: At the rate I play JRPGs, I'll probably still be working on Xillia 1 in January.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bleaker on July 07, 2013, 11:00:45 AM
I'm afraid I'm going to have to skip on them for the next year or so. My gaming budget is tight. When I run out of things to play though, Tales of Xillia shall be mine! Now I should probably finish that other Tales game I have...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 08, 2013, 07:20:31 AM
JP to NA/EU name changes already floating:

Ludger Will Kresnik = is now Ludger Kresnik
Elle Mel Mata = is now Elle Marta
Lulu = is now Rollo

While I hate that cat based on the fact it's just a fat mascot (and literally people clamoured to that thing from day 1 because "lol fat cat"), I can only wonder the translating ethics[?] on going from a cat named 'Lulu' to 'Rollo' (I'm guessing it's a pun thing)....and eliminating middle names... and giving Elle a last name that's already the name of another character in the series (ToS2).  I'm not really a stickler for name changes either way beyond mere curiosity.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Zendervai on July 08, 2013, 12:36:27 PM
What is the point of dropping middle names? I mean, those are both actual names (although Mel is short for Melanie) so, why?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 08, 2013, 02:03:30 PM
What is the point of dropping middle names? I mean, those are both actual names (although Mel is short for Melanie) so, why?

I've been told Lulu>Rollo IS a pun thing (how you say "roll" in japanese or something to that effect sounds like "lu lu").
But yeah, the middle name bit is pointless, and the Mata>Marta is just odd.

I also wanna take this moment to add, and after a careful look, Ludger is a damn dapper looking sunavabitch.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on July 08, 2013, 04:47:52 PM
I thought Fonon's were one of the coolest magic systems in Tales history, to be honest. I liked it a lot better than Aer/Blastia in Vesperia and Cryas in Graces.

Also, Tales of the Abyss is my favorite because of one very key scene:

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Luke's issues with killing an enemy soldier. How many JRPGs throw human enemies at you and no one ever says anything about the wholesale slaughter your ragtag group of anime teenagers just performed? I cannot think of many other JRPGs that out right say that when you fight human enemies you are in fact killing them, and goes so far as to address the issue. I understand that this is largely done in part to demonstrate the depth of Luke's sheltered upbringing, but so much of JRPGs normal battles seem to exist on an abstract level that they sometimes feel disconnected from the rest of the game. I guess what I'm saying is that TotA took a look at something tons of RPGs do and most players take in stride.

I think some of it stems from that sometimes when a person's healthbar is completely depleted they are dead, and other times they are just unconscious/knocked out.  Inconsistencies like that are a pet peeve of mine.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on July 08, 2013, 04:51:47 PM
Kinda like in metal gear games when you do.a solid sneak, no kills all tranqs run and still watch as bosses die, or you get called a murderer but haven't killed anyone...

I always assume that enemies were just KO'd in battles, unless they were monsters or animals since you would usually get parts off said enemies. Not like after killing a group of humanoid enemies you'd get bones, marrow, eyeballs, etc...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on July 13, 2013, 08:57:42 AM
So I have to share that I loved the events in Tales of Graces F at the bottom of Lambda's Cocoon. The game really managed to pull one over on me.

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I was all like, "OH. WOW. EMERAUDE IS THE REAL VILLAIN!? I *never* saw that one co-- Oh. Okay... Well then."
I don't know if they were intentionally making fun of J-RPG convention, but I certainly chuckled.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 13, 2013, 11:13:25 AM
So I have to share that I loved the events in Tales of Graces F at the bottom of Lambda's Cocoon. The game really managed to pull one over on me.

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I was all like, "OH. WOW. EMERAUDE IS THE REAL VILLAIN!? I *never* saw that one co-- Oh. Okay... Well then."
I don't know if they were intentionally making fun of J-RPG convention, but I certainly chuckled.

I thought the way you see her in a flashback of her later a bit more surprising....because yeah, I don't think anybody was fooled by her darkside. 

Allegedly, Tales of Xillia was leaked today for like an hour and with an extra $30 price tag.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on July 13, 2013, 02:54:17 PM
Actually. . .

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That flashback with her later firmly sets Emeraude into the position of "true antagonist" of the game.
I was actually surprised that a Tales of game did something like this, but the whole thing was very impressively done. Definite kudos
need to be given for it as a literary device.

I know such comparisons are a no-no most of the time, but really, it's much like Hojo's influence in Final Fantasy VII.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 17, 2013, 11:01:19 AM
Actually. . .

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That flashback with her later firmly sets Emeraude into the position of "true antagonist" of the game.
I was actually surprised that a Tales of game did something like this, but the whole thing was very impressively done. Definite kudos
need to be given for it as a literary device.

I know such comparisons are a no-no most of the time, but really, it's much like Hojo's influence in Final Fantasy VII.

No I agree, I definitely like the idea of her being the main antagonist than Lambda, they played it off really well (say, compared to the way Tales of Vesperia handled Duke.....).

Anyways, more Symphonia costumes:  Colette is Rita and (you guessed it) Sheena is Judith.
https://twitter.com/flamfas/status/357487879095742464
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on July 18, 2013, 12:59:56 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/17/namco-bandai-file-trademarks-for-tales-of-zestoria-and-more/

I'd be down for Tales of Zestoria.

Mmm. Zesty!

Although, Tales of Catastora sounds catastrophic.

*dramatic camera pan* Tales just got creales!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on July 18, 2013, 01:38:21 AM
They're all awful, but I have less issues with saying "Tales of Castration"
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on July 18, 2013, 01:41:28 AM
They're all awful, but I have less issues with saying "Tales of Castration"

"Tales of Castration" Now on your Lastation.

I've been following that Neptunia MK2 LP a little too closely lately. Fucking month and a half long paywall.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: lavarock on July 30, 2013, 09:20:12 PM
As the release gets close, I really hope that Gamestop don't screw up this time...  Should have gone with Amazon anyway.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on July 30, 2013, 10:03:55 PM
As the release gets close, I really hope that Gamestop don't screw up this time...  Should have gone with Amazon anyway.

I'd actually appreciate an extra day or two to be able to scratch up enough scratch to cover the $80+ I'm going to have to pay for this game. All these recent games coming out recently like SMTIV and PXZ have already cleaned me out and I can barely make the threshold in time at the rate I'm earning money.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Alisha on July 31, 2013, 12:31:42 AM
i paid mine off earlier this month so i just gotta pick mine up.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: lavarock on July 31, 2013, 12:41:29 AM
I'd actually appreciate an extra day or two to be able to scratch up enough scratch to cover the $80+ I'm going to have to pay for this game. All these recent games coming out recently like SMTIV and PXZ have already cleaned me out and I can barely make the threshold in time at the rate I'm earning money.

You should really get the LE edition as it's first run only... Free goodies with the standard $60 price-tag and the price of this game probably won't go down very fast.  You might have to shell out more money for the DLCs but tales DLCs have been pretty optional, although I admit I am guilty of buying way too many costumes... Damnit Namco
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ultra7k on July 31, 2013, 12:58:47 PM
I can't believe it's already August...that means Xillia next week!

Just need to find the time to beat X-Com...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on July 31, 2013, 02:05:10 PM
I can't believe it's already August...that means Xillia next week!

Good news then, it's still only July (unless you're in Asia)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on August 03, 2013, 05:10:19 AM
Yay! I've been out of town on vacation for a few weeks and by the time I get home on the 8th this will be WAITING FOR ME.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: GuardianBoi on August 05, 2013, 05:24:27 PM
So yeah, Tales of Xillia will be in my hands tomorrow morning. I've already taken the time off work, the apartment is all clean and all my shopping is done. I'm ready to put about 15 hours into this game in the next day and half! Haha! :)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Marshmallow on August 05, 2013, 05:30:23 PM
I forgot this was shipping this week, then I got all excited again when I remembered!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 05, 2013, 05:33:41 PM
So yeah, Tales of Xillia will be in my hands tomorrow morning. I've already taken the time off work, the apartment is all clean and all my shopping is done. I'm ready to put about 15 hours into this game in the next day and half! Haha! :)

That was totally my plan too!... Then Dragons Crown HAD to come out the same day and screw with me.

It is going to require a wee bit of restraint on my part to not crack open Tales tomorrow but I know if I do I won't even think about Dragons Crown til long past all the RPGFan multi-player shenanigans have long since past.

But something tells me by the end of this week I'll be knee deep in Tales. I owe it to myself having paid off two CE's like back in june...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ultra7k on August 05, 2013, 07:39:23 PM
Got a phone call this morning telling me it'll be in first thing in the morning.

Too bad I have to work tomorrow! Now I just have to find the time to get some serious Tales time in.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on August 05, 2013, 11:51:15 PM
Just read IGN's review...*shudder*.

You know, it used to be that whatever else you might say about IGN's opinions they were at least competent writers.  But I guess you can't even say that anymore.  Colin Moriarty's review reads like something a grade schooler with a thesaurus would write, desperately sticking in fancy words and phrases trying to sound smart without really grasping the nuisances of their usage.  And occasionally just getting things dead wrong.  It's embarrassing to see writing this bad on a professional website.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Jotacon on August 06, 2013, 12:02:46 AM
desperately sticking in fancy words and phrases trying to sound smart without really grasping the nuisances of their usage.
I agree it really is a nuisance to use language, particularly fancy words. I read the review and it is very IGN.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: PrismFlux on August 06, 2013, 12:03:18 AM
I've never been a fan of the more well-known websites because in my opinion they are just too corporatist. Seems like they water things down and don't put any heart into anything anymore. That's why I love RPGFan. Our reviewers are all true gamers that still love RPGs and gaming in general.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 06, 2013, 12:08:31 AM
I've never been a fan of the more well-known websites because in my opinion they are just too corporatist. Seems like they water things down and don't put any heart into anything anymore. That's why I love RPGFan. Our reviewers are all true gamers that still love RPGs and gaming in general.

Yeah, I can agree with this. :)
I love reading the reviews here.

Oh!  With the exception of the, now "corporate-y" RPGfan Veteran, Kim Wallace.  I love that she covers RPGs for Game Informer; a damn fine fit, I say!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on August 06, 2013, 12:10:22 AM
Edit: Never mind, I feel like I'm being an ass.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Jotacon on August 06, 2013, 12:29:53 AM
I've never been a fan of the more well-known websites because in my opinion they are just too corporatist. Seems like they water things down and don't put any heart into anything anymore. That's why I love RPGFan. Our reviewers are all true gamers that still love RPGs and gaming in general.
I don't like dividing game reviewers into true and not-true gamers. I'm pretty sure everyone who spends the time to write a review likes video games. It's not like it's hard to find critics who like certain kinds of game either, Kat Bailey is a very good writer and she loves RPGs. Now go ahead and take the piss out of those large websites they certainly deserve it they have problems and some sites have a clear homogeneous feel. However, I will ask you to remember that Jeff Gerstmann wrote for Gamespot(most boring reviews on the planet) before creating Giantbomb(very personal reviews), if there is a problem it is most likely with how things are run - not the writers themselves.

I do agree with the love of RPGFan, I think the writing team is really strong and diverse. I've trusted reviews from here for a while now.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on August 06, 2013, 12:39:33 AM
desperately sticking in fancy words and phrases trying to sound smart without really grasping the nuisances of their usage.
I agree it really is a nuisance to use language, particularly fancy words. I read the review and it is very IGN.

Touche.

Obviously I meant 'nuances' and in my defense I don't have any editors to read over my forum posts before showing them to the world, nor do I get paid for this shit ;)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Akanbe- on August 06, 2013, 12:41:17 AM
Isn't an 8.0 on IGN like a 9.8 from an actual RPG fan review?  I just read their end of review summary since I got the chance to play around 15-20 hours of the import and the summary part sounded fine at least to me for an IGN review.  I do disagree about the graphics though.  I think the graphics are pretty damn great if you like the art style.  They don't feel outdated to me.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on August 06, 2013, 12:46:38 AM
To add more to the discussion, I don't necessarily feel that it's large-website homogenization that's the problem here.  In recent years IGN has really been pushing video/audio content over written content.  Written reviews have also gotten noticeably shorter, no doubt because they ran some numbers and figured most people don't actually read them beyond a certain length so why bother.  But I think the biggest problem is that they really want to be an internet TV channel or something, with video news, video reviews, video editorials, etc.  There is much less emphasis on the written word these days.  Personally I hate video content because I can't just skim it and pick out the parts I care about, but I guess I'm in the minority.

P.S.: I don't give a shit about their score.  That was never my complaint.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 06, 2013, 12:48:47 AM
Isn't an 8.0 on IGN like a 9.8 from an actual RPG fan review?  I just read their end of review summary since I got the chance to play around 15-20 hours of the import and the summary part sounded fine at least to me for an IGN review.  I do disagree about the graphics though.  I think the graphics are pretty damn great if you like the art style.  They don't feel outdated to me.

Why doesn't Ashton's review show up on metacritic?

Eh...  The graphics are good but still have their shortcomings.  For one, everyone's outfit has some pretty easy-to-spot pixelation (and the game has no problem with showing character close ups).  There is also some sloppy issues with character hair going in and out of character models (rather than grazing the surface).  The emotional range or the characters is pretty stiff as well.  I find, and always have, Tales games really excel in their ability to produce lovely environments rather than exquisite character models.  This may be a nuance, but I'm also gonna throw a big "NO" to Milla -- the chick is waaay too emaciated that she stands out in a really creepy way amongst her more fully-dressed team members.

Also, after having come off playing Eternal Sonata, as far as JRPGs go, their graphics were almost *flawless* in this regard.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on August 06, 2013, 05:17:16 AM
To add more to the discussion, I don't necessarily feel that it's large-website homogenization that's the problem here.  In recent years IGN has really been pushing video/audio content over written content.  Written reviews have also gotten noticeably shorter, no doubt because they ran some numbers and figured most people don't actually read them beyond a certain length so why bother.  But I think the biggest problem is that they really want to be an internet TV channel or something, with video news, video reviews, video editorials, etc.  There is much less emphasis on the written word these days.  Personally I hate video content because I can't just skim it and pick out the parts I care about, but I guess I'm in the minority.

P.S.: I don't give a shit about their score.  That was never my complaint.

You forgot the e-Sports. They really want competitive videogame playing to become ubiquitous enough to garner a spot on basic cable (as well as making themselves the forefront of that movement).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ultra7k on August 06, 2013, 02:47:12 PM
Is there a consensus on how much game there actually is with this? I didn't keep up with any of the media releases unfortunately.

I imagine with having to choose between two characters as your main, you'll likely miss out on some plot points?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on August 06, 2013, 03:08:32 PM
So is Milla supposed to have a lisp, or is that just bad audio recording? Kind of hard to tell.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 06, 2013, 03:29:01 PM
So is Milla supposed to have a lisp, or is that just bad audio recording? Kind of hard to tell.

The former, the latter, and possibly just a spice of 'bad acting' on top.

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on August 06, 2013, 04:44:08 PM
Picked up Xillia this morning. But I won't be able to play it or Graces f until I buy a PS3 next month. Haven't touched the series since Vesperia in 2008 and I'm itching to hope back in.

Also, quick question about Symphonia's HD release coming out next year: are they revamping the battle system to include the whole "3D plain" thing that Abyss introduced. Because that was my favorite addition to the battle system.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on August 06, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
Tales of Get!

Now I just need a PS3 and I'll be kosher.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on August 06, 2013, 09:00:53 PM
My copy is sitting, still wrapped, in my bed, waiting patiently for Dragon's Crown to finish fucking my disc tray.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on August 06, 2013, 09:15:00 PM
That's precisely why I canceled my PS3 DC order and went with Vita.  That way I can play Xillia while my Vita charges, haha.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on August 06, 2013, 10:08:31 PM
That's precisely why I canceled my PS3 DC order and went with Vita.  That way I can play Xillia while my Vita charges, haha.

Hey, somebody to play DC with me on the Vita!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on August 06, 2013, 11:06:01 PM
Oh man, I'm pretty horrible at the moment.  For your own sake, you don't want to play with me yet.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ultra7k on August 07, 2013, 01:37:42 PM
Is it just me, or does combat feel...far less fluid than Graces?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 07, 2013, 01:48:53 PM
Is it just me, or does combat feel...far less fluid than Graces?

I found both Vesperia and Xillia have a clunky start -- but the more abilities you acquire make battle systems more fluid and easy.

...of course, I also think Graces is the cat's ass as far as battle systems go and will probably be just a bit sad in the next battle system doesn't have 'CC'.

I think Xill2 brings back side-stepping?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on August 07, 2013, 01:55:37 PM
I generally prefer Team Symphonia games in battle system but yeah, it's pretty difficulty for any Tales system to be more fluid than Graces. It was just wonderful.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 07, 2013, 02:13:13 PM
I generally prefer Team Symphonia games in battle system but yeah, it's pretty difficulty for any Tales system to be more fluid than Graces. It was just wonderful.

Can't say we've had much exposure to Team Destiny goods.  Rebirth seems to get quite a lot of love (from what I've heard it sounds strange but interesting).

A lot of importers say Destiny R is the best thing since sliced bread though.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Taelus on August 07, 2013, 11:27:26 PM
I've beaten the Destiny remake. It's awesome.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on August 08, 2013, 02:47:49 AM
http://gematsu.com/2013/08/tales-of-zestiria-tales-of-zestias-trademarked

I suppose that the next Tales of game wont be fully named till they're Zest fully named.


Edit: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/12/tales-of-link-tales-of-ansis-tales-of-jin-yeah-more-tales-trademarks/

Meanwhile, even more names get trademarked. Although in this case I suspect that these might be more useful in regards to a crossover than a full fledged Tales of game (especially that first one).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on August 15, 2013, 12:23:21 AM
http://gematsu.com/2013/08/tales-of-zestiria-tales-of-zestias-trademarked

I suppose that the next Tales of game wont be fully named till they're Zest fully named.


Edit: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/12/tales-of-link-tales-of-ansis-tales-of-jin-yeah-more-tales-trademarks/

Meanwhile, even more names get trademarked. Although in this case I suspect that these might be more useful in regards to a crossover than a full fledged Tales of game (especially that first one).

I really can't wait to play Tales of Zesty Ass.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on August 15, 2013, 08:36:18 PM
I accidentally read one as Tales of Castrata. XD

You know, down the line I would not mind a canon crossover game. Not necessarily two separate casts meeting each other but like, say, Derris Kharlan suddenly flying past the Abyss world or Vesperia's world or something.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 21, 2013, 12:09:38 PM
OMG.  TALES SYMPHONIA COSTUMES....

(http://www.famitsu.com/images/000/038/657/l_5214647b5bb7b.jpg)

(http://www.famitsu.com/images/000/038/657/l_5214647b7903c.jpg)



!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://www.famitsu.com/images/000/038/657/l_5214647a14328.jpg)

Also, according to Shiloh Strong's twitter page (Zelos' VA), we miiiight be seeing the old cast back
https://twitter.com/ShilohStrong
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on August 21, 2013, 11:38:54 PM
What, as in revoicing Dawn of The New World? That would be awesome. Though I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.

Not to put down the cast they had, I thought they did a good job ( and it's not like it was their fault), but Lloyd just wasn't Lloyd for me without Scott Menville's voice.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on August 22, 2013, 12:46:04 AM
Man, seeing Symphonia pictures again reminds me of the difference between Atelier Rorona and every other full 3D Atelier game. Even weirder when juxtaposed with costumes from newer games.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on August 22, 2013, 01:53:47 AM
Man, seeing Symphonia pictures again reminds me of the difference between Atelier Rorona and every other full 3D Atelier game. Even weirder when juxtaposed with costumes from newer games.

Yeah, I felt weird seeing what were 'HD' outfits being "demade".
....Sheena's Judith outfit (http://operationrainfall.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/tales-of-symphonia-chronicles-sheena-judith-character-model.jpg) sort of loses its effect when it's showing chubby SD-sprite-esque legs.

I'm kinda sad there's just no polish on the graphics...AT ALL.  But at least we're getting more perks in this game than Wind Waker HD.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on August 22, 2013, 06:08:58 PM
http://gematsu.com/2013/08/namco-bandai-trademarks-three-more-tales-names

And the name train continues.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on August 22, 2013, 06:10:44 PM
Sheena's Judith outfit (http://operationrainfall.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/tales-of-symphonia-chronicles-sheena-judith-character-model.jpg)

This needs to be killed with fire soooooo bad.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on August 22, 2013, 06:49:26 PM
As much as I applaud them for trying to use more actual words, Tales of Favorite sounds soooooo Engrish.

Honestly, they had that bit about how Tales of Graces was almost named Tales of Floria or some such and all I could think of was 'why not Tales of Flowers? That would be a perfect name for that game."
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on August 22, 2013, 07:08:11 PM
That Ludger outfit on Kratos fits remarkably well.  Do want.

And at least the name Tales of Graces kinda ended up fitting, what with it being tales about certain graces.

But yeah, Tales of Favorite, even with a s where it might make some modicum of sense, is pretty bad.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on August 22, 2013, 07:18:46 PM
Tales of Favorites is either a browser game or something about facial hair.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on August 22, 2013, 11:15:17 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't say that Tales of Favorite is my favorite Tales of working title.


Edit: http://gematsu.com/2013/08/tales-of-link-announced-for-smartphones

Welp. We got something out of Link.


Double Edit: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/09/04/tales-of-zestiria-is-most-likely-the-name-of-the-next-tales-game/

I think I'm going to go ahead and believe in the sign of ToZ.


Triple Edit: http://gematsu.com/2013/09/tales-of-bibliotheca-tales-of-phantasia-announced-for-ios

Have a Tales of Summary and a Tales of Phantasia 'now with DLC' iOS edition too.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on September 20, 2013, 08:54:46 PM
Tales of Zestiria trademarks seen for EU and NA.

I wonder if they're going for a somewhat "simultaneous" (i.e.; <1 year) release at this rate.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on September 20, 2013, 08:58:38 PM
So what? Is this a cross-universe game featuring all the Wonder Chefs in their alternate food dimension?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on September 21, 2013, 01:13:16 PM
...I dunno...I'm kinda excited.

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on September 21, 2013, 04:27:07 PM
I'm as excited as I can be for a new Tales game I know nothing about, I just think they could be a lot better about naming these things.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on September 21, 2013, 04:49:07 PM
I'm as excited as I can be for a new Tales game I know nothing about, I just think they could be a lot better about naming these things.

I'm partially convinced we didn't get Tales of Hearts on count of purely unmarketable name. :P
It sounds like a soap opera name. x)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on October 14, 2013, 12:29:50 PM
http://youtu.be/K0NU9Vqk_3M

English trailer for Xill2 and fancy pocket watch and necessary "Epic Latin Choir" music to make things super exciting.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Raziel on October 14, 2013, 01:31:50 PM
I feel bad for Sakuraba that he has to score these games.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on October 14, 2013, 02:38:09 PM
http://gematsu.com/2013/10/tales-of-symphonia-chronicles-collectors-edition-announced

Symphonia Chronicles CE announced. Don't know if it'll make it to PALand but for $100 (+tax) big ones you'll get a game, an expensive coaster, five figurines, a soundtrack CD, a fix-fic manga, and a nice box.

Unfortunately, the Xillia CE was only just ever so barely worth it to begin with for me, there's no way in hell am I getting this. Symphonia was a good game and all, but a) I already have a copy on the GCN, b) none of the feelies are that worth it (well okay, the soundtrack might be, but Symphonia's character designs were more miss than hit to me, and FtNW's designs can go die in a fire for all I care), and c) I can't imagine them fixing From the New World to the point of becoming worth playing.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on October 14, 2013, 02:42:04 PM

Pretty cool to see an HD collection/remake get such a fancy collectors edition if you ask me. The claims of only 15000 units will being available makes this a "pick up a second and keep it in the shrinkwrap" level CE if you ask me!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on October 14, 2013, 02:45:11 PM
http://gematsu.com/2013/10/tales-of-symphonia-chronicles-collectors-edition-announced

Symphonia Chronicles CE announced. Don't know if it'll make it to PALand but for $100 (+tax) big ones you'll get a game, an expensive coaster, five figurines, a soundtrack CD, a fix-fic manga, and a nice box.

Unfortunately, the Xillia CE was only just ever so barely worth it to begin with for me, there's no way in hell am I getting this. Symphonia was a good game and all, but a) I already have a copy on the GCN, b) none of the feelies are that worth it (well okay, the soundtrack might be, but Symphonia's character designs were more miss than hit to me, and FtNW's designs can go die in a fire for all I care), and c) I can't imagine them fixing From the New World to the point of becoming worth playing.

Fancy box just takes up too much space (and while UFOTable are a great animation studio, their "style" is kinda superficial to me).
Figures?  Cute, but after a month: Duct-collectors
OST: If they redid the soundtrack then maybe

I guess I'm curious about the novel, but nothing more than that.  Yeah, I'm probably sitting out of this CE.

This is made worse if the game by itself is going for that "HD Price Tag" of $40-50.  I really, reallly don't wanna pay an extra $50+ for some assorted goodies.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on October 14, 2013, 04:55:16 PM
http://gematsu.com/2013/10/tales-of-symphonia-chronicles-collectors-edition-announced

Symphonia Chronicles CE announced. Don't know if it'll make it to PALand but for $100 (+tax) big ones you'll get a game, an expensive coaster, five figurines, a soundtrack CD, a fix-fic manga, and a nice box.

Unfortunately, the Xillia CE was only just ever so barely worth it to begin with for me, there's no way in hell am I getting this. Symphonia was a good game and all, but a) I already have a copy on the GCN, b) none of the feelies are that worth it (well okay, the soundtrack might be, but Symphonia's character designs were more miss than hit to me, and FtNW's designs can go die in a fire for all I care), and c) I can't imagine them fixing From the New World to the point of becoming worth playing.

Fancy box just takes up too much space (and while UFOTable are a great animation studio, their "style" is kinda superficial to me).
Figures?  Cute, but after a month: Duct-collectors
OST: If they redid the soundtrack then maybe

I guess I'm curious about the novel, but nothing more than that.  Yeah, I'm probably sitting out of this CE.

This is made worse if the game by itself is going for that "HD Price Tag" of $40-50.  I really, reallly don't wanna pay an extra $50+ for some assorted goodies.

You guys sure know how to make a Klyde feel like a real sucker for opening my wallet for all these trinkets...

@Dice- I know they only collect dust! BUT NOTHING WEARS DUST BETTER, or looks more adorable in spite of being adorned in it... THEN A COLLECTORS EDITION FIGURINE DAMMIT!!!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on October 14, 2013, 05:05:12 PM
Great, now I really want Xillia 2. I still need to get Xillia, apparently it's on sale this week in the True North.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on October 14, 2013, 06:39:13 PM
@Dice- I know they only collect dust! BUT NOTHING WEARS DUST BETTER, or looks more adorable in spite of being adorned in it... THEN A COLLECTORS EDITION FIGURINE DAMMIT!!!

I don't know about that.  I actually have a fair number of figures but they're things I bought separately.  LE pack-in figures tend to be cheap and low quality.  Mainly because high-quality figures are pretty expensive and would dominate the price of the total package...

These are "Chibi Kyun Chara" figures, basically Banpresto's answer to Nendoroid petites.  Which themselves are already pretty cheap.  So there's a respectable name behind these at least but they're not exactly high end figures...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on October 14, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
I thought the Milla figure that was in Xillia's SE was of quite good quality.  Definitely better than I was expecting, certainly.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on October 14, 2013, 09:20:47 PM
I thought the Milla figure that was in Xillia's SE was of quite good quality.  Definitely better than I was expecting, certainly.

But that Alter one......SO PRETTY (ironically, I find it looks a lot less like how Inomata drew her though, the CE figure looks much more like her art).  YMMV then.  I think it's nice enough, but $60 for CE goods this time around just ain't working for me right now (since I'm jobless n' all)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on October 15, 2013, 03:21:24 PM
Well this collectors is selling fast...

Already sold out on Bandai Namco store.

If anyone aside from me wants to be a sucker and pick this up, Amazon and Gamestop still have/had it available as of an hour ago.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on October 15, 2013, 11:54:44 PM
http://gematsu.com/2013/10/tales-of-link-bibliotheca-debut-trailers

For completionist's sake here's a pair of trailers for Tales of titles.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ranadiel on October 16, 2013, 06:46:05 AM
Well this collectors is selling fast...

Already sold out on Bandai Namco store.

If anyone aside from me wants to be a sucker and pick this up, Amazon and Gamestop still have/had it available as of an hour ago.
Geez, that is an insane sell out speed. Just put in my preorder on Amazon (which doesn't come up with the listing if you just put in Tales of Symphonia, have to include the whole title).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on October 18, 2013, 10:02:28 PM
I just want to thank you guys for mentioning that it was still available for pre-order on GameStop's site. I freaked out today when I saw it was sold out on the other sites.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on November 26, 2013, 10:25:08 PM
http://gematsu.com/2013/11/next-tales-of-teaser-site-launched

Looks like the next Tales of PlayStations(s) will soon be revealed.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on November 26, 2013, 10:26:59 PM
DAMN YOU MAN.... way to stay on top of things!   :)

I'm excite! :D

EDIT:  Unless it's Xillia 3: Milla Returns....Then I quit the series.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on November 27, 2013, 02:25:33 AM
I'm betting we'll finally be seeing Tales of Zesty. Do not afraid the future! Believe in the sign of Z!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on November 27, 2013, 09:40:37 AM
Tales of Zesty is such a sexy and unorthodox name.  Want.  Also, the word "Vesperia" has been popping up a lot since the site opened -- but I'm gonna try to not read into it.

http://tales-ch.jp/css/top.css
("tov20")

Oh, in other news, and to those who like throwing money at costumes: Xillia's Santa DLC is up. :S
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on November 27, 2013, 10:06:00 AM
Tales of Zesty is such a sexy and unorthodox name.
http://tales-ch.jp/css/top.css
("tov20")

Well, I think it's clear that:

(http://i.imgur.com/o2bSPG5.jpg)

(a man can dream ;_;)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on November 27, 2013, 10:12:40 AM
Tales of Zesty is such a sexy and unorthodox name.
http://tales-ch.jp/css/top.css
("tov20")

Well, I think it's clear that:

(http://i.imgur.com/o2bSPG5.jpg)

(a man can dream ;_;)

Given how abrupt and cheated I feel about the ToV ending, plus the world without super-magical Blastia and a B-Plot that had monsters as a major issue (a plot point that was pretty much...dropped) I think it could work to have a sequel.  Plus, since companies are being lazy/cheap/resourceful (pick whatever you want to call it), they'd have the resources so they wouldn't have to make a game from the ground-up again.

But i dunno... I kinda like "fresh" and new titles than sequels.

EDIT: GODDAMN IT I SAID I WASN"T GONNA SPECULATE
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on November 27, 2013, 03:19:05 PM
Yuri is zestfully clean.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on November 27, 2013, 07:53:46 PM
So I've been playing Graces f on and off for about a week and a half now. To whoever tried to warn me about the battle system, you were right. I hate this.

I do like what they did with the titles and how easy it is to spot a sidequest now though. Those were welcome improvements.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on November 27, 2013, 07:59:44 PM
So I've been playing Graces f on and off for about a week and a half now. To whoever tried to warn me about the battle system, you were right. I hate this.

I do like what they did with the titles and how easy it is to spot a sidequest now though. Those were welcome improvements.

It seems like a crossroad sort of deal.  You either love it and think it's the best battle system in the series, or despise it and hope to never see it again.

I personally find it refreshing to not be attached to TP and let an action number (ie; CC) do all the work.  The start of Graces is pretty slow, and it's best to learn titles that give you more skills -- it'll open up the playing field (but of course, if you tell me you're at the end of the game, then disregard everything and I'm sorry, but at least you tried it out!)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on November 27, 2013, 08:25:26 PM
I'd be a bit more forgiving of the CC if it didn't apply to the 3D-plain running (holding down R2 or whatever) as well. Most battles are just me trying to dodge and quickstep, which is a finnicky function at best. Vastly prefer TP.

But as I said, what they did with the titles and how the skills from them work is awesome, and I love the "sidequest RIGHT HERE come and get it!" icons. The game's still overall fun, I just don't really find the battle system anywhere near as enjoyable. Oh, and I really love how there's no world map and everything's pretty much set apart by roads and paths.

Stopped playing at the Rockgagong in the desert last week. Thanksgiving week at work has left me very little gaming time. lol But I take a lot more time to get through RPGs nowadays anyway. Hell, I love Xenoblade Chronicles, but I started that in freaking May and still only play it like, once every two weeks.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on November 27, 2013, 08:35:33 PM
You should never use that running function unless your cornered and your only way out is a diagonal.  And yeah it can be hard to master sidestep, but once you get better at it you can literally just attack forever (unlike TP where once you're out, you're out).

This is also a rare instance in video gaming history where your EVA and ACC stat are probably more valuable than the ATK stat is.  And like I said, focus on expanding your skills so you have a bunch more options (if you're willing to pursue it).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on November 27, 2013, 09:16:08 PM
A successful sidestep/backstep gives you back more than it costs.
Even better, a successful sidestep/backstep comes with invincibility frames.

Here's the perfect example of what you want to do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vOZVskIWLo

TECHNICAL SPOILER!!!
It's a short snip against the last boss, but you won't know who it is by just watching and it shouldn't ruin anything.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on November 27, 2013, 11:26:52 PM
A successful sidestep/backstep gives you back more than it costs.
Even better, a successful sidestep/backstep comes with invincibility frames.

Here's the perfect example of what you want to do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vOZVskIWLo

TECHNICAL SPOILER!!!
It's a short snip against the last boss, but you won't know who it is by just watching and it shouldn't ruin anything.

Man, you came in with a better written post than me.  I gotta learn how to be a more eloquent writer, or take my time.  8,000 posts, and they all read like GARBAGE!

Anyways!  Tales teaser page was updated with (wait for it!) Tales of Eternia and Tales of Destiny 2.  Sooo this means it should open in one week (Dec 4th I think).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on November 27, 2013, 11:52:47 PM
That was eloquent? I fail to see how.

Did Hideo Baba renew the YEAR OF TALES for 2014 or something?
That's a lot of potential 'tales of' incoming.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on November 28, 2013, 12:00:39 AM
That was eloquent? I fail to see how.

Did Hideo Baba renew the YEAR OF TALES for 2014 or something?
That's a lot of potential 'tales of' incoming.

Baba:  GOOD-O NEWZU!  We are REMAKING ARR 'TEIRUZU OBU' TITLEZ!  O tanoshimi ni!!!

Then I die a little because Abyss HD/remake would fill my gaming quota for a year.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on November 28, 2013, 12:05:03 AM
That was eloquent? I fail to see how.

Did Hideo Baba renew the YEAR OF TALES for 2014 or something?
That's a lot of potential 'tales of' incoming.

Baba:  GOOD-O NEWZU!  We are REMAKING ARR 'TEIRUZU OBU' TITLEZ!  O tanoshimi ni!!!

Then I die a little because Abyss HD/remake would fill my gaming quota for a year.

B-but, they've already ported it to the 3DS. What more can they do?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on November 28, 2013, 12:28:30 AM
No more Abyss, please.

Please.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: insertnamehere on November 28, 2013, 12:37:19 AM
Quote
TP

lol toilet paper
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on November 28, 2013, 12:48:04 AM
Quote
TP

lol toilet paper

(http://i.imgur.com/ea3GILm.gif)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 03, 2013, 10:11:57 PM
8 Days!

http://next.tales-ch.jp/

Oh for f*cks sake....So the 12th.  And it's going to be for a 20th Anni title.... which would be 2015....PS4?  Ah well.  See y'all in a week.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 03, 2013, 10:57:43 PM
Nope, they've already said the next Tales is still PS3.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Eusis on December 04, 2013, 12:02:23 AM
Should've expected that with a JRPG developer!

Wait, Namco got Tales of Vesperia on 360 while Atlus was still fooling around with PS2. Well, I guess that series is in more of a MegaTen-esque state than somewhere a rung under FF/DQ.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 04, 2013, 12:55:57 AM
Well, given that the PS4 isn't even out in Japan... it's a valid decision.
It's not like Tales games are pushing the graphical limit anyway.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 04, 2013, 12:58:09 AM
Well, given that the PS4 isn't even out in Japan... it's a valid decision.
It's not like Tales games are pushing the graphical limit anyway.

...

(Kinda why I hope they stick to cel-shading)

EDIT:  I think it still may be Vesperia related.  Between the book, the "tov" in the web code, that back in 2009 (yeah, I know, don't say it) Namdai said they'd be interested in a Vesp sequel, and it'd save money in the resource department.

But maybe it's a Phantasia-to-Symphonia kind of sequel


EDIT II:  http://gallery.abyssalchronicles.com/displayimage.php?pos=-18106
Translation of the now open book by the fan community.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 07, 2013, 06:40:11 PM
http://next.tales-ch.jp/
Now we got words and pictures.
That's it from me till actual leak/reveal.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on December 07, 2013, 07:24:49 PM
My translation:

In a far off age of myths, if the world was covered in darkness light would be restored from somewhere.

Even as ages passed, every time the world was thrown into chaos there was a legend that as handed down which offered people hope for salvation.

It is said that each time priests would appeared and dispel the darkness.

But the priests disappeared when peace arrived......where did they go......nobody knew the answer to that question.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 07, 2013, 07:39:14 PM
My translation:

In a far off age of myths, if the world was covered in darkness light would be restored from somewhere.

Even as ages passed, every time the world was thrown into chaos there was a legend that as handed down which offered people hope for salvation.

It is said that each time priests would appeared and dispel the darkness.

But the priests disappeared when peace arrived......where did they go......nobody knew the answer to that question.

It sounds like the catholic retelling of Zelda.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on December 07, 2013, 07:55:47 PM
I should note that I wasn't totally sure how to translate 導師.  My Japanese-English dictionary just lists it as "officiating monk" but that sounded kind of funny to me so I looked it up in an actual Japanese-Japanese dictionary.  The word comes from Buddhism but I don't think it's use is necessarily specific to Buddhism.  Basically it's just somebody who presides over religious ceremonies, funerals, etc.

Knowing absolutely nothing about the religion of this universe, but given that Tales settings don't usually have a lot of eastern religious influences I was just, whatever, priest sounds fine.  But that was me.

And this is why translating even simple things can sometimes be a pain in the ass...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 07, 2013, 07:57:01 PM
Not at all, I was impressed that you did it so quickly.  And thanks, I'm sure you know I'm a big sucker for the Tales series.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on December 07, 2013, 07:59:19 PM
My translation:

In a far off age of myths, if the world was covered in darkness light would be restored from somewhere.

Even as ages passed, every time the world was thrown into chaos there was a legend that as handed down which offered people hope for salvation.

It is said that each time priests would appeared and dispel the darkness.

But the priests disappeared when peace arrived......where did they go......nobody knew the answer to that question.

It sounds like the catholic retelling of Zelda.

So The Legend of Vicar then?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on December 07, 2013, 10:08:06 PM
My translation:

In a far off age of myths, if the world was covered in darkness light would be restored from somewhere.

Even as ages passed, every time the world was thrown into chaos there was a legend that as handed down which offered people hope for salvation.

It is said that each time priests would appeared and dispel the darkness.

But the priests disappeared when peace arrived......where did they go......nobody knew the answer to that question.

It sounds like the catholic retelling of Zelda.

As I was reading Kevadu's translation, all I heard in my head was the opening theme to Wind Waker.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on December 12, 2013, 05:46:49 AM
I'm stealing Dice's thunder here, but Zestiria was announced.

Currently taking bets on how many Zesty puns are going to go around the Internet this week.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/12/tales-zestiria-announced-playstation-3/

The link has some pictures of the characters.  The male character seems to be Slay and the female Alicia.

Belated Edit:  Information on the story:
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/12/tales-zestirias-story-dragons-battle-system-built-fan-feedback/
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on December 12, 2013, 06:11:58 AM
All of this was so expected at this point I have a hard time being excited for it.  Though I'm not entirely sure what they could have said that would have excited me...maybe they could have shown some actual gameplay.

Though having four character designers working on the game is certainly a first.  They seem to want this one to be a big one.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on December 12, 2013, 06:19:26 AM
Honestly, the two designs shown so far don't really appeal to me, but I'll withhold judgement until I see more. I did feel that Xillia ended up clashing and it only had 2 designers.  Xillia 2 seemed to mesh a bit better.

It seems to be playing a bit with its own tropes though.  If that female is the main heroine, she seems to be a good deal more physical-based, because of the spear and armor, than the male, who appears like more of a researcher?

I'm a bit curious about the dragon in the logo, too.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 12, 2013, 09:04:39 AM
Thanks Cyril -- I was too tired to NOT snooze in

http://youtu.be/mizMba7FAvE

Seems to star Jude and Leia 2.0 (the Dragoneers), slapped together with Skyward Sword's Link while the lady-lead maybe got hit by a Valkyrie Profile bug.. 
Names: Slay (groan) and Alicia.
(http://www.inside-games.jp/imgs/zoom/443496.jpg)
(http://www.inside-games.jp/imgs/zoom/443497.jpg)
(http://www.abload.de/img/animation4y6j3l.gif)

Apparently like Graces battle system (yay!)
(http://www.abload.de/img/animation3ssf0n.gif)
(http://www.inside-games.jp/imgs/zoom/443500.jpg)
(http://www.inside-games.jp/imgs/zoom/443501.jpg)
World map looks like a significant improvement over Xillia...so far.

And I agree, we've (sort-of) counted down twice so I'm not really EXPLODIN' EXCITEMENT at the moment.  But pretty happy nonetheless. :)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on December 12, 2013, 09:58:44 AM
It seems to be playing a bit with its own tropes though.  If that female is the main heroine, she seems to be a good deal more physical-based, because of the spear and armor, than the male, who appears like more of a researcher?

I'm a bit curious about the dragon in the logo, too.

Tell that to Legendia.

Also the dragon seems to be a plot point of some kind so I doubt they'll go into it's beef.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on December 12, 2013, 10:35:25 AM
Those big fields better not have palette swaps between other settlements.

Slay totally looks like Jude's cousin or something. It's the Guy/Flynn syndrome again.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on December 12, 2013, 10:56:13 AM
The pose they have Alicia in kind of makes her look a little like FFXIII-2's Sera, which I actually liked design-wise, so there's that. Also those .gifs put in perspective just how bad the environment textures are in Xillia.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 12, 2013, 10:58:12 AM
I don't know how the Tales team CONSCIOUSLY approved such a bland overworld especially considering the other two PS3 games (Graces was semi-bland, but still more varied and had "discoveries" to divert your interests; and Vesperia's world map was just BOOOM -- COLOURS)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 12, 2013, 11:14:23 AM
https://twitter.com/TalesofU/status/411163566402981888

"Worldwide release" confirmed, the question is how soon (or later) are we seeing it after Japan gets it.  The average release for a Tales outside of Japan has otherwise been about a year after its original release (Graces being the outlier for various reasons).
But, Namdai seems to have a renewed interest in the series overseas, so cross your fingers we see it sooner than usual.....cuz that'd be fantastic.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ULTROS! on December 12, 2013, 11:38:13 AM
Imagine if it comes out next year in English.

3 Tales games in a year.

That's like the biggest wtfflyingpigs moment ever.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Rockko on December 12, 2013, 01:36:32 PM
Hmm, based on that description, this could shape up to be a Tales game that I may actually like...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Tomara on December 12, 2013, 02:10:10 PM

Slay totally looks like Jude's cousin or something. It's the Guy/Flynn syndrome again.

That, and his outfit looks like he broke into several Tales characters houses (including Flynn's), rummaged through their closets and put every article of clothing he managed to get away with on at the same time.

Anyway, dragons are nice. I hope we get to ride one and not just during a cutscene that ends in a boss fight...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 12, 2013, 02:20:01 PM
Character designs are derivative, name is ridiculous, overworld looks bland, music will undoubtedly be shitty Sakuraba...

So, all in all, can't wait!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 12, 2013, 02:22:41 PM
music will undoubtedly be shitty Sakuraba...


I think it's because I love that "sound" of his I love all his work even despite the same-ness. :D

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on December 12, 2013, 02:26:29 PM
I'm also a fan of Sakuraba, but then you can never make music too bombastic for my taste.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 12, 2013, 02:39:25 PM
Also, I personally find that -- as a whole -- his Tales music is....just a lower quality then other amazing OSTs like the Valkyrie Profile series, Star Ocean, Trusty Bell, and Baiten Kaitos series where he's REAALLY shined.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on December 12, 2013, 05:45:28 PM
I feel like, although it is one of my favorite franchises, I will NEVER catch up on all the tales I wish to experience.

I have yet to touch Phantasia, Eternia or Vesperia (even though I have them all on the shelf)

With Symphonia Chronicles, Xilia 2 and now this new one I imagine I play Tales games exclusively for a heck of a long time if I were so enclined.

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on December 12, 2013, 08:22:24 PM
So glad I decided to keep the ps3. Next year seems very tales friendly.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Seultoria on December 13, 2013, 08:11:01 AM
I'm sure the West will see the new game in 2015. Namco Bandai will probably think along the lines of "Well, we gave these fucks Xillia 2 and Symphonia HD this year [2014], so I hope they stop whining for a little bit."
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: TurnBasedDude on December 13, 2013, 10:59:12 AM
I'm sure the West will see the new game in 2015. Namco Bandai will probably think along the lines of "Well, we gave these fucks Xillia 2 and Symphonia HD this year [2014], so I hope they stop whining for a little bit."

The hardcore fans never will.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Tomara on December 13, 2013, 11:06:29 AM
As long as they're working on closing the gap, I'm fine with getting Zestiria in 2015. Also, it'd be nice if they'd stop pretending we're living in some kind of time vortex or something. Tales of turned 15 this year? Yeah, sure...

(Well, I guess it'd work in the US if you start counting from the release of Tales of Destiny. But not for Europe. Our first Tales game was Tales of Symphonia in 2004.)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 13, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
Wait...I thought the 15th birthday of Tales was 3 years ago. =| Maybe by the time we get it, it'll be on the 20th anniversary...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Tomara on December 13, 2013, 12:00:03 PM
In Japan, yes. I didn't think they'd try to celebrate it again this year in the rest of the world, but I guess they did. I can't count the number of times I had to correct workers on my hands anymore... Tales of is 18! Don't believe Namco Bandai's lies D:
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 13, 2013, 12:09:30 PM
Besides Final Fantasy and showing FF15.... a full console's lifespan ahead of time, I'd actually be surprised if they're showing Zestiria off this early.  That's usually not the case, is it?

Either way, 2014 and 15 sound like they'll be busy years gaming-wise.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on December 13, 2013, 07:53:48 PM
Get Tales of Graces f (PS3 - $19.99) and/or Tales of the Abyss (3DS - $14.99) half-off before Dec. 15. (http://"http://store.namcobandaigames.com/store/namcous/list/categoryID.67518600?resid=UpAPrQoydBAAAHum59UAAABF&rests=1386982262968")
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2013, 07:46:23 PM
Rumour (apparently confirmed by Baba) says Tatsuro Udo is working on the game.

Meaning?

He's the battle designer for the Team Destiny games...or to NA/EU people: The guy who did Graces.

(http://puu.sh/5NjQx.gif)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: unsmashable_pumpkin on December 16, 2013, 11:40:05 AM
So I put Tales of Xillia on my wish-list for christmas, but judging by the reactions in Dice's GOTY thread a lot of you seem pretty disappointed with it.
Do you still think it would work as a good starting point for the series? At least as a litmus test?

The only other game in the series I have played is Tales of Eternia, which was ok, but I found the combat to be a bit too button-mashy and simplistic. I wanted to check out one of the 3D versions, but I was having issues deciding on which one. After checking out about 5-10 minutes of Graces f on youtube, I don't think I could put up with that kind of story/writing for an entire game, but Xillia seemed tolerable.
I don't have a 3DS or 360, so at the moment Vesperia and Abyss are out. I suppose I could wait for the Symphonia HD rerelease if that is a better starting point.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 16, 2013, 12:18:43 PM
So I put Tales of Xillia on my wish-list for christmas, but judging by the reactions in Dice's GOTY thread a lot of you seem pretty disappointed with it.
Do you still think it would work as a good starting point for the series? At least as a litmus test?

The only other game in the series I have played is Tales of Eternia, which was ok, but I found the combat to be a bit too button-mashy and simplistic. I wanted to check out one of the 3D versions, but I was having issues deciding on which one. After checking out about 5-10 minutes of Graces f on youtube, I don't think I could put up with that kind of story/writing for an entire game, but Xillia seemed tolerable.
I don't have a 3DS or 360, so at the moment Vesperia and Abyss are out. I suppose I could wait for the Symphonia HD rerelease if that is a better starting point.

Tales games are funny, they each seem to have a thing they're "good" at.  That's sort-of why Xillia sticks out badly... because nothing is particularly impressive.

Combat was done better Graces, characters were done better in Vesperia, plot was done better in Abyss, music was done better Legendia, and dungeons were done better in Symphonia.  Xillia is by no means BAD, it's just lackluster and sometimes incredibly lazy in other parts.  I still put in 80 hours with Xillia, but it never really "hooked" me like you really want a good RPG to do.

I don't know how to go on, so I'll do this:
PRO
+ It is a good battle system, not Graces good, but entertaining.
+ Simple and effective weakness system that makes linking characters a lot of fun and making each character useful in unique ways
+ Lovely towns
+ Two POV characters (YMMV in how varied their point of view is though)
+ Tons of sidequests and surprisingly interesting B-plots (ie; sidequest plots)
+ Finally the Tales world takes on Asian motifs and design
+ Pretty cool villains
+ Rowen, Leia, Alvin

CONS
- One of the worst RPG world map/field ever.  Most of the locations are boxed-in fields where the most intuitive thing you do is climb a vine.  The Xill world is a succesion of box-canyons with a new coat of paint... Winter!  Fall!  Nighttime!
- I know I said the villains were cool, but their motives are foolish, two of the sort-of supernatural bad guys you meet later are especially dumb
- Shop system is a hit or miss
- Dungeons are fucking awful.  Symphonia had wonderful puzzles in each dungeon.  This game has, literally, nothing.  The most intuitive thing you do is hit a switch or jump off ledges.  They basically feel like an extension of the world map.
- Sphere Grid Lilium Orb isn't very inspiring
- Occasional frame rate issues in battle...
- Jude is a lame MC.

If you really want a good battle system, many Tales fans love the hell out of Graces and it can become easy to look past the bland and "fluffy" plot and characters in exchange for a really fresh and in-depth battle system.  Graces simply gives you a TON to do even if the story isn't impressive.  You will probably get a bit more plot out of Xillia, but you'll have to deal with a lot of other cons.  So the question is: Are you gameplay-oriented or story-oriented?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 16, 2013, 12:44:11 PM
starting point for the series?

If possible, I'd recommend playing them in order:
- Tales of Phantasia (SNES w/ DEJAP's patch for the real experience or PSX w/ phantasian's patch - Don't touch the GBA version)
- Tales of Destiny (PSX)
- Tales of Eternia (PSX or PSP)
- Tales of Symphonia (wait for the HD coming soon on PS3)
- Tales of the Abyss (PS2 or 3DS)
- Tales of Vesperia (... sadly, xbox360 only)
- Tales of Graces F (PS3)
- Tales of Xillia (PS3)

Depending on what consoles you have, you may have to skip some of them.

- Jude is a lame MC.

I'd say ONE of the MC is lame. People tend to hate Jude and love Milla or the other way around.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: kyuusei on December 16, 2013, 01:41:35 PM
I guess I should be glad I only spent $20. Haven't started STILL because I got and started Ys. Whooooops.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: unsmashable_pumpkin on December 16, 2013, 01:53:51 PM
Thanks for the tips :D


If possible, I'd recommend playing them in order:
- Tales of Phantasia (SNES w/ DEJAP's patch for the real experience or PSX w/ phantasian's patch - Don't touch the GBA version)
- Tales of Destiny (PSX)
- Tales of Eternia (PSX or PSP)
- Tales of Symphonia (wait for the HD coming soon on PS3)
- Tales of the Abyss (PS2 or 3DS)
- Tales of Vesperia (... sadly, xbox360 only)
- Tales of Graces F (PS3)
- Tales of Xillia (PS3)


Unfortunately, I live in Europe-land without a region-free device to play psx-games so for phantasia it would be gba or bust. :/
My completionist tendencies makes a sequential playthrough seem like it would be the best idea, but it might be a bit hard to pull off from a practical point of view.
I do plan on picking up a 3DS, in part to play Abyss, but for some reason I hate a lot of the two-tone 3DS XL colours
I keep getting indecisive between which I prefer of the bigger screen of the XL, and the better price + nice colour selections of the original model. I know that the games are more important, but the prettiness of my white Vita has made me realise how nice non-black consoles can be.


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Tales games are funny, they each seem to have a thing they're "good" at.  That's sort-of why Xillia sticks out badly... because nothing is particularly impressive.

Combat was done better Graces, characters were done better in Vesperia, plot was done better in Abyss, music was done better Legendia, and dungeons were done better in Symphonia.  Xillia is by no means BAD, it's just lackluster and sometimes incredibly lazy in other parts.  I still put in 80 hours with Xillia, but it never really "hooked" me like you really want a good RPG to do.

I don't know how to go on, so I'll do this:
PRO
+ It is a good battle system, not Graces good, but entertaining.
+ Simple and effective weakness system that makes linking characters a lot of fun and making each character useful in unique ways
+ Lovely towns
+ Two POV characters (YMMV in how varied their point of view is though)
+ Tons of sidequests and surprisingly interesting B-plots (ie; sidequest plots)
+ Finally the Tales world takes on Asian motifs and design
+ Pretty cool villains
+ Rowen, Leia, Alvin

CONS
- One of the worst RPG world map/field ever.  Most of the locations are boxed-in fields where the most intuitive thing you do is climb a vine.  The Xill world is a succesion of box-canyons with a new coat of paint... Winter!  Fall!  Nighttime!
- I know I said the villains were cool, but their motives are foolish, two of the sort-of supernatural bad guys you meet later are especially dumb
- Shop system is a hit or miss
- Dungeons are fucking awful.  Symphonia had wonderful puzzles in each dungeon.  This game has, literally, nothing.  The most intuitive thing you do is hit a switch or jump off ledges.  They basically feel like an extension of the world map.
- Sphere Grid Lilium Orb isn't very inspiring
- Occasional frame rate issues in battle...
- Jude is a lame MC.

If you really want a good battle system, many Tales fans love the hell out of Graces and it can become easy to look past the bland and "fluffy" plot and characters in exchange for a really fresh and in-depth battle system.  Graces simply gives you a TON to do even if the story isn't impressive.  You will probably get a bit more plot out of Xillia, but you'll have to deal with a lot of other cons.  So the question is: Are you gameplay-oriented or story-oriented?

Hm. I think I would classify myself as being story-oriented, but then again, it feels a bit wrong suggesting I would be playing a tales game for the story. I guess it's more accurate to say that I tend to enjoy a lot of the more ancilliary things in RPGs over straight-up combat (which usually becomes repetitive by the end of the game, even if it starts out good), so exploration, side-quests, crafting and well thought out (non-)combat game-mechanics. I particularly enjoy puzzle elements, so maybe Symphonia would be the best bet.
Either way, I think I'll give Xillia a shot if I do end up getting it. Even if it isn't the best in the series, that might make it more enjoyable playing it before other (better) installments.

Another thing: I know that some of these games have local co-op, any of you tried that out, and know how well it works?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Tomara on December 16, 2013, 03:18:22 PM
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Another thing: I know that some of these games have local co-op, any of you tried that out, and know how well it works?

Pretty well, actually. It's just the battles that are co-op, but if your player 2 has a similar way of playing RPGs it should be fine. I played through Symphonia (first playthrough) and Vesperia (third playthrough) as player 2. The guy I played Vesperia with and I want to do a co-op Xillia playthrough next. Should be fun.

Oh, but switch controllers once in a while or atleast let player 2 pick a character first, especially if you're playing a Tales game with dungeons that don't require much thinking.

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Either way, I think I'll give Xillia a shot if I do end up getting it. Even if it isn't the best in the series, that might make it more enjoyable playing it before other (better) installments.

Despite its flaws it's still a very fun game and I definitely got my money's worth. Put in 80 hours or so. Even went as far as getting the platinum trophy, which is something I normally never aim for. (Granted, it was fairly easy to get, but stilll...)

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I do plan on picking up a 3DS, in part to play Abyss, but for some reason I hate a lot of the two-tone 3DS XL colours
I keep getting indecisive between which I prefer of the bigger screen of the XL, and the better price + nice colour selections of the original model. I know that the games are more important, but the prettiness of my white Vita has made me realise how nice non-black consoles can be.

I've had my regular 3DS since launch (the greenish blue one) and the screens are comfortable enough. It's smaller size also makes it easy to carry it around with me, which is great because I adore the whole streetpass thing. I have tried the XL, but since I'm used to the smaller greens the big ones just make games look kinda... blurry.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on December 16, 2013, 03:43:56 PM
Since we're on the subject of Xillia, one thing I did like about it was that they tried to go for some...innovative environments that weren't quite standard in a fantasy game.  It's going to be hard to top Fennmont for me, since that hits all of my weaknesses in "preferred cityscapes" but I do hope Zestiria keeps up the trend of more interestingly designed cities rather than try something like Graces where all of the cities are extremely traditional and not particularly notable.

Oh, and please, please, please return the puzzles to dungeons.  I'm a huge sucker for dungeons with puzzles, which is probably why I enjoy Wild ARMs so much.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on December 16, 2013, 06:16:29 PM


Oh, and please, please, please return the puzzles to dungeons.  I'm a huge sucker for dungeons with puzzles, which is probably why I enjoy Wild ARMs so much.

THIS!!! a thousand times, THIS
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 16, 2013, 07:23:16 PM


Oh, and please, please, please return the puzzles to dungeons.  I'm a huge sucker for dungeons with puzzles, which is probably why I enjoy Wild ARMs so much.

THIS!!! a thousand times, THIS

Vesperia was still pretty dry, but I was happy they kept the sorcer's ring for a few parts of the game.  But yeah, I loved Symphonia for some "mind-tickling" dungeons.  Xillia was absolutely dreadful in that respect; like I said earlier, there is no real disernable difference between the world map and a dungeon map -- they play the exact same.  So yeah, I'd love to see some form of puzzles come back to the series. 

Unsmash:  Story-wise, I think Abyss is the best.  It starts very political (I like that, I know others don't) but gets into more grand themes that stretch beyond simple "save the world" stuff.  Gameplay-wise it's a mixed bag, but I think even the creators knew they were going in for plot or something, the emphasis is obviously there. 

In the end it doesn't matter, since -- at the moment -- there isn't a particularly "new" Tales game out, they're all really cheap and I think you'll be getting the bang for your buck regardless.  Besides the infamous "Tales of Tempest", there really isn't a "terrible" Tales game and I admire the series' consistency and longevity.

- Jude is a lame MC.

I'd say ONE of the MC is lame. People tend to hate Jude and love Milla or the other way around.

I kinda found them both one-tracked.  Milla talks about her mission in at LEAST 30% of her skits, and (as Ashton so fondly points out) "Jude follows his penis like a divining rod".  They get nicely fleshed out later on beyond that at least.  But as far as Tales characters go, they're not my favorite.

I was more a fan of Leia and Rowen.  And Alvin to some extent when he wasn't pulling some of his mid-game stunts.

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The fact he betrays the party about 5 different times feels more like a running gag than an effective plot point...  I like how him being from Elympios plays out though, and the bit with his mother is quite touching; but the shit with his uncle being a "big bad" (for about 10 minutes) was a peculiar choice.
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If I typed stupid, I'm sick and dizzy and can't think straight.  Sorry if the post is bad/confusing.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ashton on December 16, 2013, 07:27:12 PM
I'd be down for puzzles in dungeons as long as it's not like in Innocence R where you can get random encounters in the middle of a puzzle. That's just annoying.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on December 16, 2013, 07:40:52 PM
With all this talk of past Tales games I just want to express my sadness that, thanks to the Era of DLC, a Tales game will probably never again be as chock full of awesome costumes as Vesperia was. I should play through that game again so I can kick more ass with Magical Girl Estelle.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on December 16, 2013, 08:40:58 PM
I'd be down for puzzles in dungeons as long as it's not like in Innocence R where you can get random encounters in the middle of a puzzle. That's just annoying.

You just hit the nail on the head sir.

I can think of very few gameplay mechanics that agitate me more than random encounters while solving puzzles.

Can you imagine if you had random encounters during the final light puzzle in Graces F (sand country underground ruin dungeon place). The exact location name escapes me but I KNOW you guys remember what I'm talking about.... if there were random encounters during that, I would have been stuck for days....
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bytor on December 16, 2013, 09:41:50 PM
LOL< I wouldn't have been stuck at all....I would have quit
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 16, 2013, 09:47:02 PM
LOL< I wouldn't have been stuck at all....I would have quit

ditto.

The first ones aren't too bad, but imagine the last one with encounters...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on December 17, 2013, 11:10:20 AM
http://gematsu.com/2013/12/jump-reveals-first-tales-zestiria-character-details

Some character details. Pretty much confirms that the male is the game's main character. Also, how does a Princess Knight even work? Is she her own knight in shining armor, or is she the princess of one country and the knight of a princess of a second country?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Tomara on December 17, 2013, 11:25:15 AM
Princess knight? Maybe that's her masculine look and she's failing miserably?

The sane thing would be her having half a dozen older siblings, making her more expendable than the avarage prince(ss), giving her the freedom to do heroic shit. ... But I guess she's once again an only child with no interest in the throne, or something.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on December 17, 2013, 01:12:53 PM
Princess knight? Maybe that's her masculine look and she's failing miserably?

The sane thing would be her having half a dozen older siblings, making her more expendable than the avarage prince(ss), giving her the freedom to do heroic shit. ... But I guess she's once again an only child with no interest in the throne, or something.

Now while the former would make the most sense, its far more likely to either be the latter or the case where she did have an older brother who disappeared on an expedition and to solve the mystery of his disappearance she must confront the evil empire's masked Black Knight who's fighting style is suspiciously identical to that of her missing brother's but she won't notice this until the end (or at least won't reveal that she noticed it until the end).

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that it isn't a Tales Of plot point unless its a done to death cliché.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 17, 2013, 01:21:13 PM
Sorry, anime art rant:

I fucking hate the main female for her stupid hair loopy going getting through the middle of her face.  They couldn't settle on bangs or long side swept hair or even put off the loopy to the edge of her hairline...NOooOooOoo they put it in the middle with the rest of her short bangs! I still and will acknowledge that Japanese designers quite often out-do their Western counter-parts with wildly different and creative designs.... for better or worse.

She looks like a cute little fucken flower otherwise.  A more rockin' Estelle, I guess.

Slay, clearly named because his parents are metal-heads, looks derivative or Ludger, Ky Kiske and a "Manise" (a male Anise from Tales of the Abyss).

I hope we get an old guy, or really shake things up with a woman older than 30 joining the party (which otherwise seems like taboo to involve). 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Agent D. on December 17, 2013, 01:46:07 PM
I'm more concerned with the fact that a knight is walking around in armor with 0 head protection. Course, that could explain the hair being that way?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on December 17, 2013, 02:09:52 PM
I hope we get an old guy, or really shake things up with a woman older than 30 joining the party (which otherwise seems like taboo to involve). 

It's hard enough to get males over 30 in these games (and those that do are always considered to be old geezers; middle-age in a JRPG runs from 20 to 26) let alone females. And again, Tales of Game. It took them nearly a decade just to have a game not star a plucky if somewhat daft sword fighting kid from down town The Sticks (I refer to Legendia where the kid in question fights with his feests! instead). After that, the only exceptions were Vesperia (due to the main character not being a kid) and Xillia (where there were two main characters! And the male one fights with his feests!! HOLY SHEET!!!).

Then again, they could easily have a female over 30 joining the party. Just look at Fire Emblem: Awakening's Nowi. She's not only over 30, she's over a thousand (and looks and acts like she's 12, and you can have somebody both marry and have a child with her, including your own in-game expy no less). :v
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on December 17, 2013, 02:15:04 PM
If we do get a woman over 30, we already know she's just going to be an under-dressed walking bust-line with generalized contempt for anything and everyone, particularly when her age or aforementioned embellished endowments enter the conversation.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 17, 2013, 02:18:53 PM
If we do get a woman over 30, we already know she's just going to be an under-dressed walking bust-line with generalized contempt for anything and everyone, particularly when her age or aforementioned embellished endowments enter the conversation.

Which it always does.

Shame, maybe one day we'll get the skit to counter the girls talking about their boobs where the guys compare their dicks. :P
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 17, 2013, 02:31:59 PM
Or maybe we could grow up and stop comparing sexual or maternal apparatus in order to put down others for the sake of cheap and uninspired humor.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 17, 2013, 02:33:53 PM
Or maybe we could grow up and stop comparing sexual or maternal apparatus in order to put down others for the sake of cheap and uninspired humor.

In a JRPG?  Are you insane?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on December 17, 2013, 03:05:57 PM
Or maybe we could grow up and stop comparing sexual or maternal apparatus in order to put down others for the sake of cheap and uninspired humor.

In a JRPG?  Are you insane?

(https://farhanafadzil.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/martin-luther.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 17, 2013, 03:24:47 PM
you and me both, brutha.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Tomara on December 17, 2013, 03:27:48 PM
If we do get a woman over 30, we already know she's just going to be an under-dressed walking bust-line with generalized contempt for anything and everyone, particularly when her age or aforementioned embellished endowments enter the conversation.

Hey, it has been done right! Well, almost anyway. Labyrinthia Wordsworth from Wild Arms XF is in fact, I kid you not, 34. And she'd not dressed liked a hooker who crashed into a rainbow. She's dressed very conservatively. Not very convenient on the battlefield, now that I think about it. On the other hand, this complete package of smart, strength and beauty has no need for walking. She warps. Also, her pet dog is
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Still sensitive about her age though.

In any case... Tales, your move!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on December 17, 2013, 04:19:10 PM
The Princess Knight thing reminds me of some wierd mixture of Estelle and Meruru.  I'm hoping it makes more sense in the final product (haha, right).

Mixed thoughts on the main character.  I hate his official art. Loathe it. It feels very punchable.  On the other hand, the first impression description makes him seem like a bit of an intellectual, which makes it forgivable.  He does sound a bit like Jude in that he's a too-nice of guy into research.

tl;dr
I suppose we'll have to wait and see. We all know what we're getting into when we play Tales of.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on December 18, 2013, 05:46:20 AM
Or maybe we could grow up and stop comparing sexual or maternal apparatus in order to put down others for the sake of cheap and uninspired humor.

I agree. Lets stop with that, and compare culinary aptitude in order to put down others for the sake of cheap and uninspired humor instead.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 18, 2013, 10:59:11 AM
Or maybe we could grow up and stop comparing sexual or maternal apparatus in order to put down others for the sake of cheap and uninspired humor.

I agree. Lets stop with that, and compare culinary aptitude in order to put down others for the sake of cheap and uninspired humor instead.

I'm down with that.
My sponge cakes bring all the boys to the yard~
Damn right, they're better than yours~
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 21, 2013, 02:08:11 AM
PREEETY Cool news:

Sakuraba is doing the OST.....
ALLEGEDLY: So is Go Shiina (who did Legendia's music)!

http://youtu.be/mnjMvL72WO4
Trailer in HQ from the reveal
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on December 21, 2013, 02:11:20 AM
ALLEGEDLY: So is Go Shiina

That would be godly.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on December 25, 2013, 10:34:43 AM
Princess knight? Maybe that's her masculine look and she's failing miserably?

The sane thing would be her having half a dozen older siblings, making her more expendable than the avarage prince(ss), giving her the freedom to do heroic shit. ... But I guess she's once again an only child with no interest in the throne, or something.

Now while the former would make the most sense, its far more likely to either be the latter or the case where she did have an older brother who disappeared on an expedition and to solve the mystery of his disappearance she must confront the evil empire's masked Black Knight who's fighting style is suspiciously identical to that of her missing brother's but she won't notice this until the end (or at least won't reveal that she noticed it until the end).

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that it isn't a Tales Of plot point unless its a done to death cliché.

http://gematsu.com/2013/12/tales-zestiria-detailed-famitsu

If this is correct, then man, how wrong I was.

At least, if again, this is anything to go by, the main character will likely be an idiot hero for at least part of the game, so they're not bucking tradition entirely here.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on December 25, 2013, 02:32:29 PM
The main MC sounds about as interesting as a bag of potatoes so far...  Like a Jude Mk. II.  I'm hoping he'll be fleshed out, but he sounds like another ambitious, oblivious do-gooder that we've seen from not only the series but from countless JRPGs (I have SOME hope in that Tales games are usually good at playing up stereotypes in an entertaining way).

Allegedly (from Abyssal Chronicles), the game will have a bit of a religious focus:
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The World of Tales of Zestiria
The main setting, as we mentioned before, is in the Continent of Greenwood, where the Kingdom of Highland and the Empire of Lowlance are fighting for rule and supremacy. In this setting, there are actually multiple religious beliefs, but all those beliefs surprisingly have one thing in common: their belief in those that are called the 天族 (tenzoku, The Divine People). The reason that the existence of The Divine is common in all those beliefs, despite no one having actually seen them for themselves, is because from time to time, there are people who appear that can communicate with The Divine. These people, who are able to borrow the powers of The Divine, are called 導師 (doushi, literally Priests, Monks, Sages, Gurus, etc.). They are even considered saviors given the power of God to some.

A long time passed, and deep within a forest called The Forest of The Divine lies something that resembles a utopia where humans and The Divine can live together. There, other humans cannot enter, and the "impurity" that has been spreading throughout the world does not affect that place.

The story starts there with Thray/Slay, who has been brought up isolated from the world outside, and carries a pure and clean heart.

Official (hi-res) art from the artists responsible for the designs and UFOTable is up now too
http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/?fn_mode=comments&fn_id=1192
More deets and scans inside
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Tomara on December 25, 2013, 04:42:10 PM


The sane thing would be her having half a dozen older siblings, making her more expendable than the avarage prince(ss), giving her the freedom to do heroic shit. ... But I guess she's once again an only child with no interest in the throne, or something.

Now while the former would make the most sense, its far more likely to either be the latter or the case where she did have an older brother who disappeared on an expedition and to solve the mystery of his disappearance she must confront the evil empire's masked Black Knight who's fighting style is suspiciously identical to that of her missing brother's but she won't notice this until the end (or at least won't reveal that she noticed it until the end).

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that it isn't a Tales Of plot point unless its a done to death cliché.
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http://gematsu.com/2013/12/tales-zestiria-detailed-famitsu

If this is correct, then man, how wrong I was.

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Well, look at that...

"The government is separated from the hand of royalty and nobles, and a bureaucratic organization is being molded."

"A princess at the lowest rung of the heirs to the throne of Highland"

Tales has discovered logic! :D

I never liked the 'Yeah, let's have several world leaders risk their lives for a better future!' thing. As if those people don't have anything better to do. Hero standards are pretty low (a child with a stuffed animal qualifies!), why not send someone more expendable to go final boss killing? You need those leaders around alive and well in case you need a plan B! >_<

(Which is why I prefer the Xbox 360 version of Tales of Vesperia. Flynn has no business in the party. Yuri handling things behind the scenes while Flynn did all the proper leader stuff (which he was very good at!) made much more sense.)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on December 25, 2013, 08:35:51 PM
Edit: I'm an idiot.  Never mind.

Edit edit: Thanks for the clearer link, Dice.  I hadn't seen that top image.  The MC looks a little less obnoxious outside the official art, but he still sounds pretty plain.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on January 04, 2014, 06:11:43 PM
I just realized while posting in another thread and starting Vesperia this weekend something very unique about the Tales franchise for me.

They are truly a complete breather for me in terms of RPGs. My mind can be engrossed in them like other RPGs but they totally relax me in the same care-free manner of indulging anime or some other genre of gaming.

Typical RPG's tax my brain in a strategic sense and can really proof cognitively difficult to handle if over-done. I'm not saying Tales is void of strategic elements, but they are the only series I can think of that don't burn me out in that sense at all.

I know vesperia is a 360 title and thus not a thread appropriate title so forgive me.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ranadiel on January 05, 2014, 09:24:13 AM
I know vesperia is a 360 title and thus not a thread appropriate title so forgive me.
Tales of Vesperia is a PS3 title also! I have a copy of it in my living room!......now if only the translation patch would hurry the freak up. Oh well at least skits, story, and NPC dialogue have been verified. Just 2% for Misc., 8% for Menu, and unknown percent for the Bar of Magic till I can finally enjoy it in all its glory!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on January 05, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
I know vesperia is a 360 title and thus not a thread appropriate title so forgive me.
Tales of Vesperia is a PS3 title also! I have a copy of it in my living room!......now if only the translation patch would hurry the freak up. Oh well at least skits, story, and NPC dialogue have been verified. Just 2% for Misc., 8% for Menu, and unknown percent for the Bar of Magic till I can finally enjoy it in all its glory!

The prerequisites to make the PS3 patch work are reaaallly gonna hamper how many can play it though...  I wonder if they can figure out another way to get others to play?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: unsmashable_pumpkin on January 13, 2014, 11:33:59 AM
Heads up for people who may be interested:

As of tomorrow Tales of Xillia will be 10 bucks on the US PSN for ps+ users, and 19 for non-plus users. There is also a (much less enticing) sale on the EU one, where both Xillia and Graces f are discounted.

10 bucks is a small enough sum that I've decided to take the plunge.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on January 13, 2014, 02:56:07 PM
I'm in the very definitely final dungeon of Tales Of Graces F a few months after starting the game. I'd say overall, good game. A nice plot, fun cast (I actually liked all the party members this time). I also liked how the title/skill system works in this too. I think that, barring Lineage And Legacies, this may be the second shortest Tales game I've ever played, behind Symphonia's sequel. I think by the time I reached the Ghardia Shaft, I was about 30 hours in. As for what I didn't like, well, the game felt extremely linear most of the time, barring you from certain areas and kind of forcing you along to the next plot point. And the actual battle system. That CC meter is kryptonite. A single attack? Costs CC. Sidestepping and dodging? Costs CC. Running freely? That thing you could do since Abyss? Costs CC. And then you run out and all you can do is guard or walk feebly until it refills enough to do anything substantial. Blargh. Give me back my MP meter any day.

And you know what really, really irks me? I decided that for my NG+ run, I'd do it in different costumes. But all the good costumes are DLC and they're... $3.99 each? What are you smoking, Namco? I'd pay $3.99 for all the costumes together, at the very least, but for each one? Screw yourselves. (And yes, I know I'm late to the party complaining about this. :p)

Welp, time to finish up the final stuff, and finally move on to Xillia.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on January 13, 2014, 04:53:40 PM
Sidestepping and dodging? Costs CC.

You're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on January 13, 2014, 05:12:06 PM
Sidestepping and dodging? Costs CC.

You're doing it wrong.

Dodging at the right time can RESTORE CC.  You never have to use free-run to play properly (I think I used it twice to get out of a "diagonal issue" when some enemies were surrounding me).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ihc8xT0dYgQ#t=70 [EDIT: Annubis' vid is better]
This video catches that perfectly.  When he dodges a few hits from Sophie he gains +5CC and +6CC (or some numbers) just against the one hit.  If you keep dodging attacks, you'll rarely run out of CC.  Certain gems of course make the effects even better.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on January 13, 2014, 05:16:43 PM
Sidestepping and dodging? Costs CC.

You're doing it wrong.

Yay! A reason to post my favorite ToGF vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vOZVskIWLo
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on January 13, 2014, 06:50:59 PM
And I don't care. It's still stupid. #3#
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on January 13, 2014, 07:11:43 PM
I've noticed Tales players are EXTREMELY polarized about the ToGF battle system. Frankly, I love it. Give me a resource I only have to manage per battle as opposed to per dungeon any day.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on January 13, 2014, 07:20:59 PM
I agree Klutz. I feel ToG has the best battle system in the series.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on January 13, 2014, 07:27:16 PM
Agreed as well.  I highly prefer Graces F's battle system.  I think one of its main problems is that it has a huge, huge learning curve.  I don't think I learned to play with it "properly" until well into my Hard Mode run.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on January 13, 2014, 10:58:40 PM
Definitely.  If Zesty doesn't try something new or stick with CC, I can't say I'm looking forward to more "TP" combos.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on January 14, 2014, 12:16:58 AM
Definitely.  If Zesty doesn't try something new or stick with CC, I can't say I'm looking forward to more "TP" combos.

In Zestiria, you will have Zesty Points (ZP). Zesty Points are regained whenever the character looks refreshing. Stopping and doing nothing will be the base method of recovering ZP but there are more complex ways of regaining ZP even faster. Gauging the field will be important to be able to find a quiet little corner to pin down a lawn chair + umbrella, lay down and slowly savour a pina colada.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Farron on January 15, 2014, 08:24:11 AM
Graces seems to have the most loved battle system, or at least one of the most but I totally agree with Nel, give me my MP back.
I didn't have much trouble using it but I never figured out a way to make it good.
About the rest of the game I personally didn't like it much. I thought the story was uninteresting, just like the characters and especially the main vilan. The final dungeon was a little too confusing for my taste but maybe it was because by the end of the game I wanted it to end so my patience was at its end.

Now I got Xillia. I hope I enjoy it like I did with Vesperia.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on January 15, 2014, 01:16:58 PM
I played about an hour of Xillia a few nights ago. The town you start in looks gorgeous, and that you can actually change the camera angle as you walk around it is pretty cool. The only thing that kind of made me raise an eye is the character models. They don't quite look like the way they're drawn in the official art (they don't look as... anime? I dunno.) and every time Jude talks, he looks like a soulless mannequin with the way his mouth moves. And yeah, I picked Jude. Milla's severe love of the letter S in the intro cutscene was enough to drive me away. XD

So, back to Graces for the moment. I'm going to enjoy my 10x experience, darn it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on January 15, 2014, 01:48:47 PM
I played about an hour of Xillia a few nights ago. The town you start in looks gorgeous, and that you can actually change the camera angle as you walk around it is pretty cool. The only thing that kind of made me raise an eye is the character models. They don't quite look like the way they're drawn in the official art (they don't look as... anime? I dunno.) and every time Jude talks, he looks like a soulless mannequin with the way his mouth moves. And yeah, I picked Jude. Milla's severe love of the letter S in the intro cutscene was enough to drive me away. XD

So, back to Graces for the moment. I'm going to enjoy my 10x experience, darn it.

I think it's 60/40.  The actress might have a slight lisp, but I think the de-essing for Xillia wasn't very well done.  A lot of character "s's" are kinda "loud".

Jude's side is probably the better side as well.
The one major part you miss on Milla's side is interesting....but incredibly boring, and it looks like instagram.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on January 15, 2014, 01:54:18 PM
I'm no expert on audio recording, but I did sleep at a Holyday Inn Express last night...
Sounds to me like a not so good mic without a cover on it (or screen)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: PrismFlux on January 15, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
I'm no expert on audio recording, but I did sleep at a Holyday Inn Express last night...
Sounds to me like a not so good mic without a cover on it (or screen)

The recording equipment was fine really. It's like Dice said though.  They literally have a process called de-essing. They dropped the ball for Milla. Listen to other recordings that Minae Noji has done and you'll see that she does not have a lisp. It would probably be easiest to look on YouTube for clips of her acting in the show General Hospital.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on January 15, 2014, 11:38:04 PM
So I don't know if this is a glitch, but it's starting to piss me off. I'm doing my second run of Graces, and everyone's titles keep changing. I've tried to change Asbel's five times now, but every so often it'll just change back to Nimble Fang Adept. It's enraging me. Richard's just changed back to his first title for no reason too. Am I missing something here?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on January 16, 2014, 10:25:42 AM
I completely forget how it works now, but I know there's a feature on the titles screen that lets you toggle some kind of auto-update to Titles in order to avoid losing experience.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on January 16, 2014, 01:08:32 PM
Thanks. I'll have to mess around to look for it, I guess.

EDIT: Yep, that was definitely the problem. Odd though, I don't recall ever using or even knowing about that option the first playthrough, and it seemed to be manual by default then. Wonder why it switched now.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on January 21, 2014, 12:08:31 AM
Finally beat Xillia. I will express my thoughts with major spoilers below:

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BOOOOORRRRRIIIINNNNGGGGG.
Okay, I lied, NOW I will express my thoughts with major spoilers (not kidding this time, there will be major spoilers):

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Seriously, the whole thing was incredibly dull. Sure, it's solid overall for gameplay, but the whole game I felt like: "Who cares?" Oh, Alvin betrayed us again? Whatever. Alvin shot Leia? Oh well. Rowen watched Nachtigal die? Boo hoo. Muzet went all crazy? Meh. Jude and Milla had to part at the end? Good riddance.

I was cheering for Gaius the whole time. He was a cool dude. Also: dull ending.

The combat system was good, but I kept thinking "Not as good as Graces" the whole time, so that brought it down for me. The overworld was lifeless, bland and repetitive. I liked that some costume-things were included as NOT paid DLC. I liked the shop upgrade system, but I didn't like that every shop sold the same thing--even [SPOILER]
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on a different world!
While all that sounds very negative, like I said, it was a solid game--just very by-the-numbers and disastrous for characters and plot. I did finish it though, so I guess that says something.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on January 21, 2014, 12:36:00 AM
I liked Gaius a lot as well.  

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Maybe it's just because I'm getting older and, as I age, I'm becoming more pragmatic, but nothing he did was
particularly villainous or evil to me.  He barely even counted as an antagonist in my book.

Though in truth I do believe that was the point, since the game states outright that Jude quite idolized him and might have ended up following Gaius if he hadn't met and wasn't crushing over Milla.
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Also, he was originally designed as a playable character, so he clearly wasn't meant to be the final villain.  But given the
rush job that is the last 1/4 of the game, this should be pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on January 21, 2014, 12:42:16 AM
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Awwwwww he was originally playable?
I feel so jipped now. :( This is Chalcedony and Flynn (360 version) all over again...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on January 21, 2014, 12:43:30 AM
I honestly wish there was Gaius DLC chapter like they did for Luc in Suiko4.

1000% agree Flaming.. the game was boring.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Kevadu on January 21, 2014, 01:37:45 AM
I got so bored I never even finished it...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: rancidweasel on January 21, 2014, 02:14:10 PM
43 hours in and im not bored yet.  ive kiiiiinda been obsessing over the titles lately so a lot of those hours have been used through title grinding....which has lead to me being overpowered when it comes to the boss fights. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ultra7k on January 24, 2014, 03:29:32 PM
I sort of feel the same. While I guess I enjoyed it, I felt it was missing that x-factor that Graces F had.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on January 24, 2014, 03:47:11 PM
43 hours in and im not bored yet.  ive kiiiiinda been obsessing over the titles lately so a lot of those hours have been used through title grinding....which has lead to me being overpowered when it comes to the boss fights. 

Go for the one-minute challenges!

Kurt can suck ass with respect to that.
Suck ass, Kurt!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on January 24, 2014, 06:01:14 PM
43 hours in and im not bored yet.  ive kiiiiinda been obsessing over the titles lately so a lot of those hours have been used through title grinding....which has lead to me being overpowered when it comes to the boss fights. 

I'm only pushing 30 hours or so in Vesperia but have encountered the same problem. Grinding for materials for synthesis has left me a wee bit too strong. The difficulty balance is the only problem I've found thus far. On "normal" fights are way too easy for me at this point, but "hard" mode doesn't so much make the battles difficult as it just makes them lengthy and (after quite a few in a row) annoying to a point.

I hope the difficulty ramps up a bit (I just polished off the events at the colliseum with Belius after the desert, really cool part BTW!!).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Blace on January 28, 2014, 09:01:15 AM
I had the same problem in Xilia. I was grinding with food enhancements in one spot because the money and EXP was so ridiculous I just couldn't help it and I gained like 15 levels in a little more than an hour or so and from then on the game was ridiculously easy.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on January 30, 2014, 10:10:42 PM
Zestiria World Info:

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Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dincrest on February 02, 2014, 10:01:33 AM
I was thinking of starting a thread to muse on the Tales series, but this one works wonderfully for that.  I haven't played as many as others here (I've played Phantasia in multiple formats, Destiny, Symphonia, and Radiant Mythology) but I do enjoy the series. 

I think my favorite is still Destiny.  Sure its plot isn't as epic in scope as Phantasia's, but I like how it sidesteps a few cliches while still being a classic RPG plot.  I like that Destiny didn't start out in the hero's hometown.  Heck, I don't remember even visiting the hero's hometown till almost halfway through the game and *gasp* it never got razed!  I also liked that the hero's main love interest
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was NOT the main heroine.  Stahn was never really interested in Rutee romantically throughout the game.  The girl he was interested in was that townie girl he had a long date scene with who later on turned out to be a villain.  Rutee and Mary were funny during that scene.  Yeah, the two eventually couple off and have a kid for the sequel, but it would have been an interesting sidestep had they not coupled off.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 02, 2014, 11:05:58 AM
I was thinking of starting a thread to muse on the Tales series, but this one works wonderfully for that.  I haven't played as many as others here (I've played Phantasia in multiple formats, Destiny, Symphonia, and Radiant Mythology) but I do enjoy the series. 

I think my favorite is still Destiny.  Sure its plot isn't as epic in scope as Phantasia's, but I like how it sidesteps a few cliches while still being a classic RPG plot.  I like that Destiny didn't start out in the hero's hometown.  Heck, I don't remember even visiting the hero's hometown till almost halfway through the game and *gasp* it never got razed!  I also liked that the hero's main love interest
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was NOT the main heroine.  Stahn was never really interested in Rutee romantically throughout the game.  The girl he was interested in was that townie girl he had a long date scene with who later on turned out to be a villain.  Rutee and Mary were funny during that scene.  Yeah, the two eventually couple off and have a kid for the sequel, but it would have been an interesting sidestep had they not coupled off.

I wish to hell that they'd do a SURPRISE RELEASE of Destiny R on PSN.  Hoooolllyyyy craaap that'd have been amazing.
I like the Destiny a lot as well, but the random encounters (and random encounters during puzzles) really bothered me but the rest was good.  I think it was that sort-of perfect PSX-era RPG that didn't take too many steps away from being a more "Classic RPG" but also felt like a fresh ground because it was capable of that much more (PSX felt sort of "magical" for RPGs in this regard).

Speaking of PSX-Magical-Era-ness: ToE feels like the least talked about title though, but I have huuuge soft spot for this title.  For one, I love the amount of side quests and the gorgeous hand-drawn backgrounds.  I actually miss the hell out of hand-drawn/pre-rendered backgrounds and I love when titles still do them.

I'm pretty psyched to replay Symphonia.  It's dated by now, but I do have a lot of good memories with it.  Also, me being a goof here: But I remember walking my dog just before I bought it, and the PS3 release is in celebration to its 10th Anniversary.  I also loved how Colette is a dog-lover.  So happy Birthday, to my girl and happy Birthday ToS!!

My favorites otherwise drift to Abyss for its plot and Graces for its battle system. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Blace on February 02, 2014, 11:22:38 AM
I've played Symphonia, Xillia, Vesperia, Abyss, and Radiant Mythology. Symphonia was my first and still my favorite. Like Dice said, lots of fond memories of that game. Can't wait to play it again in HD later on this month. Other than Radiant Mythology, which is clearly the worst of the ones I've played, my least favorite main series title I've played was Abyss. I'm in the minority, but I didn't enjoy the plot at all and the atrocious loading times and framerate really got to me when I played it. I actually waited months before going back to it and finishing it. Not sure if the 3DS version fixed all that.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 02, 2014, 11:33:54 AM
I've played Symphonia, Xillia, Vesperia, Abyss, and Radiant Mythology. Symphonia was my first and still my favorite. Like Dice said, lots of fond memories of that game. Can't wait to play it again in HD later on this month. Other than Radiant Mythology, which is clearly the worst of the ones I've played, my least favorite main series title I've played was Abyss. I'm in the minority, but I didn't enjoy the plot at all and the atrocious loading times and framerate really got to me when I played it. I actually waited months before going back to it and finishing it. Not sure if the 3DS version fixed all that.

Yes it did
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Blace on February 02, 2014, 12:03:03 PM
I've played Symphonia, Xillia, Vesperia, Abyss, and Radiant Mythology. Symphonia was my first and still my favorite. Like Dice said, lots of fond memories of that game. Can't wait to play it again in HD later on this month. Other than Radiant Mythology, which is clearly the worst of the ones I've played, my least favorite main series title I've played was Abyss. I'm in the minority, but I didn't enjoy the plot at all and the atrocious loading times and framerate really got to me when I played it. I actually waited months before going back to it and finishing it. Not sure if the 3DS version fixed all that.

Yes it did

May have to grab that at some point then.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 02, 2014, 12:28:34 PM
I've played Symphonia, Xillia, Vesperia, Abyss, and Radiant Mythology. Symphonia was my first and still my favorite. Like Dice said, lots of fond memories of that game. Can't wait to play it again in HD later on this month. Other than Radiant Mythology, which is clearly the worst of the ones I've played, my least favorite main series title I've played was Abyss. I'm in the minority, but I didn't enjoy the plot at all and the atrocious loading times and framerate really got to me when I played it. I actually waited months before going back to it and finishing it. Not sure if the 3DS version fixed all that.

Yes it did

May have to grab that at some point then.

One thing I like is that I *finally* explored all of Daath (the giant church-city).  Before the loading times paired against corridor after CORRIDOR AFTER CORRIDOR made it a nightmare to walk through.

The game could totally use an HD update.  Even for a PS2 era game, the game's graphics were crap.

And as much as I love Symphonia, I always tune out of the plot the moment gothic angel things show up.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on February 02, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
I honestly never really noticed the loading times the first time I played TotA, but when I tried to replay it a couple years later I absolutely could not stand them. I really need to pick that up for 3DS.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on February 02, 2014, 02:25:25 PM
I like the Destiny a lot as well, but the random encounters (and random encounters during puzzles) really bothered me but the rest was good.  I think it was that sort-of perfect PSX-era RPG that didn't take too many steps away from being a more "Classic RPG" but also felt like a fresh ground because it was capable of that much more (PSX felt sort of "magical" for RPGs in this regard).

Really? Even the awful dungeon design? Because I remember ToD having dungeons that never end (or if one does end, its so another can begin right on top of it).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dincrest on February 02, 2014, 02:41:26 PM
Destiny definitely had some long dungeons.  But between that and the encounter rate, Stahn became so powerful that you could just bulldoze your way through everything.  Not so in Phantasia where you actually had to strategize. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on February 02, 2014, 03:09:27 PM
Destiny definitely had some long dungeons.  But between that and the encounter rate, Stahn became so powerful that you could just bulldoze your way through everything.  Not so in Phantasia where you actually had to strategize. 

The extra dungeon in Phantasia especially. You even had to be careful with your items if you planned on making the whole descent in one shot.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 02, 2014, 04:59:21 PM
I like the Destiny a lot as well, but the random encounters (and random encounters during puzzles) really bothered me but the rest was good.  I think it was that sort-of perfect PSX-era RPG that didn't take too many steps away from being a more "Classic RPG" but also felt like a fresh ground because it was capable of that much more (PSX felt sort of "magical" for RPGs in this regard).

Really? Even the awful dungeon design? Because I remember ToD having dungeons that never end (or if one does end, its so another can begin right on top of it).

I remember they were long, but it might have been due to the random battle rate not helping things (and early Tales sucked for who was attacking -- usually it's just Stahn doing all the work).

It's been about 10 years since I played it last though.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Ranadiel on February 03, 2014, 06:48:09 AM
Let me see here, which Tales of games have I played? Phantasia, Destiny, Eternia, Symphonia, Legendia, Abyss, Graces, and Xillia.  Overall favorite has to be....Symphonia I guess? It is the one that I played the hell out of (although I never did manage to get all titles). Overall I just enjoyed it the most. I also highly rate Phantasia, Eternia, Abyss, and Xillia. I am meh on Graces (worst main character and love interest in the series!). I generally dislike Destiny, although I might like it more now.....it just wasn't what I was looking for when I played it. I absolutely abhor Legendia.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on February 03, 2014, 08:04:03 AM
Since people are weighing in with their opinions on different titles they'd played, I thought I would too.

Phantasia - Fun to play, and a real classic JRPG (for all the right reasons). Playing it through again at the moment, and it's still good.

Eternia - I remember adoring it when I first played it, but I honestly don't remember it that well.

Symphonia - The first one I played and *probably* still my favourite. Genus and Raine were annoying, but I loved the story and the rest of the party was really solid. Watching Colette fall apart as the game progressed was really riveting. Also, I hadn't remembered that Martel and Yggdrasil are really important in Phantasia too!

Abyss - Boring. I honestly don't understand what the fuss was with this one. I never warmed to anyone. I found the gameplay slow and the story unbelievably confusing until about halfway through, and by that point I pretty much didn't give a damn any more. I swear, if anyone tries to talk about Yulia or Fonic Hymns again without explaining what the damn things are (not to mention all the other useless terminology), I will throw my console out the window.

Vesperia - One of my favourites. Good characters and story and just fun to play. Yuri and Flynn were an awesome pair.

Hearts - My favourite 2D Tales with a fantastic battle system. It just sort of fit the DS perfectly and I really enjoyed it, even though Kohak's journey was quite similar to Colette's.

Graces - My favourite of recent years. Battle system blew me away. While I do understand people's complaints about the story, I still enjoyed it. And while the cast weren't particularly impressive, I liked the relationship between Asbel and Hubert. Sophie was kinda cool, and I like Cheria when she was a kid (not so much as an "adult").

Xillia - Incredibly dull. Hated all the characters. I'm struggling to think of a redeeming feature... Oh, Milla was kind of okay, I guess. What irked me the most was Alvin. Not so much in the way the game wanted me to hate him, but the way the other characters dealt with him was so unrealistic. Too many second chances; they should have stabbed him and been done with it. We had a discussion a few pages early about how Gaius is cool, but did anyone else wish Ivar would have been playable? Dude was hilarious and had more personality and motivation than the main characters put together.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dincrest on February 03, 2014, 08:10:47 AM
It really is too bad that the official English localizations we got of Phantasia were both bad.  The GBA version was listless and the iOS version was FUBAR. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Monsoon on February 03, 2014, 08:22:19 AM
I've played Phantasia (S.Fam, GBA, PS1), Destiny (PS1), Eternia (PS1, PSP), Symphonia (GC), Legendia (PS2), Abyss (PS2), Vesperia (360), Innocence (DS), Graces (PS3), and Xillia (PS3).  My least favorite by FAR is Destiny on the PS1.  That game is like a slower, jankier Phantasia with too many characters, most of them uninteresting or rote.  Garr was my favorite, but I usually like the "sarcastic older guy" characters anyway.  My favorite is a tough choice between Phantasia (my first, and a classic RPG in every sense) and Vesperia (excellent main character, pretty solid combat and quests).  I didn't dislike Xillia as much as other people seemed to, but it's probably because I enjoyed the combat and customization so much. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Blace on February 03, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
Abyss - Boring. I honestly don't understand what the fuss was with this one. I never warmed to anyone. I found the gameplay slow and the story unbelievably confusing until about halfway through, and by that point I pretty much didn't give a damn any more. I swear, if anyone tries to talk about Yulia or Fonic Hymns again without explaining what the damn things are (not to mention all the other useless terminology), I will throw my console out the window.
I have struggled my whole life to find someone with the exact same opinion of Abyss as me, but I found someone finally! Every time someone lists it as their favorite Tales and a genuinely superb game I am just baffled. Everything you touched on was exactly what I thought. Not to mention the technical issues.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 03, 2014, 12:46:00 PM
I'm not going to try to convince Anti-Abyss-ers that it's good, but I would like to voice perspective.  It's long, I'm sorry, but I hope I can create a good argument, and I'll section it if you're only interested in ONE segment..

So here's my post:

And warning:
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Main Claim (tl;dr): I think Tales of the Abyss as a treat especially up against what are usually "typical" Tales and typical JRPG plots.

Luke/Asch Dynamic
First off, although nothing new to the series itself, the characters are entertaining.  I'd say some others in the series are certainly more interesting, but for the most part they offer compelling "dark pasts" on par with other traumatized Tales/RPG characters (even if some of the general "stories" were seen before).  And y'know how everyone loves a traumatic past!!  
Their quirks work well against each other for get the cheap-haha's from skits.  Anyways... First major point:

Luke goes through a dramatic change.  Born essentially as an "adult baby" he experiences the world for the first time and a lot of the complications therein.  He's new to war, new to consequence, and has to learn it fast (his efforts to ignore simply made him more antagonistic).  To counter him is his original, Asch, who is probably one of the more tragic heroes you'd see in a game.  For all intents and purposes, you'd think this should be HIS story; he's the original Luke -- but instead he moonlights as the "behind the scenes" hero taking little credit for his work and working largely alone.  What's worse is the fights between Luke and Asch creating existential issues for both of them.  Asch lost his family, home, and fiancee in order to save the world; whereas Luke was locked up resisting and justifying much of what the world threw at him, not even on virtue of birth, but the circumstances of it.  In the end, Asch is killed by a clone during a heroic sacrifice as Luke finds a will to live on.  This becomes a bit more interesting when you see how Sync deals so poorly with the revelation, especially compared to Ion and especially compared to Luke/Asch.

Luke starts as a complete asshole.  He pays the price and turns it around in what feels like a realistic way (he also doesn't *completely* lose his more snarky side, but it gets reduced by about 90%).  He pays the piper especially for destroying a city despite all other characters warning him (I feel like there's an Aesop Fable in there I'm forgetting)

To me, that's pretty deep; something I feel even FF7's big Zack/Cloud spoiler didn't even pull off as well (however, I thought Kuja really worked as a villain fighting and "coming to terms" with his "humanity"...well, by trying to destroy everything instead).  Our main hero wasn't JUST saving the world, but figuring out who he is and his place within a world that, literally, marks him as a bit of a "mistake".  Too many JRPGs love throwing that "good guy" who just kinda gets swept up into things, or one who plays so hard into the plot that the game becomes HIS show as the party supplements some dialogue then gets sort of lost so the hero can dominate the rest of the plot (Abyss does make a good effort to involve its smaller cast much more deeply right till the end).  But let's go on.

Politics!
Another thing I love about Abyss are the politics early on.  A first playthrough makes this confusing and really exhausting to listen to, but a second playthrough (if you muster it), where you know what these places are helps to change the perspective a lot.  
I also love the "mid-game" scenario.  What's the war about??  TERRITORY!  The Akzeriuth situation was a great demonstration of this.  When the two major political powers were on the verge of war, a PEACE mission between representatives of both sides (i.e.; your "rainbow" of VIPs; the main party) are sent to a town that once belonged to one side, but now is under control of the other.  A perfect place to demonstrate "truce".  But Luke's actions had that plan almost literally "fall through" and the hazy conclusions and complete destruction of the town had of course sparked a war (Parallel: like when Poland was invaded as the "spark" for WWII; they're not necessarily the same situation, but enough to send the nations to arms).
Quick Futurama shoutout: War were declared.

Anyways, again, I feel like few JRPGs are really willing to devote themselves war, especially in such an honest and realistic way.  Suikoden does, but...the series is kinda MIA right now (*sadface).  Too many often games love taking place post-war (and we get some hogwash about it within the game to explain why half the planet is now orphaned).  What I love is that Abyss' plot happen "in medias res"; a lot of the gears are already spinning than simply starting-up.  
Or, on the other hand, too many go the route of "there was a long and ancient war" which leads to some pretty pictures.  We get that here too, but it's not particularly vital to the end-game scenario other than "shit happened".

Religion
Another great thing about Abyss is how it handles Religion.  You see those who are too dependent on it (ie; the population at large who overuse the prophecy readings) those who try to fight its clutches (main villain: Van, who wishes to destroy the whole system), and those who cling so hard to it they go to war for it (the Pope dude).  
Also in this messy trifecta is Ion, who, despite his frail and child-like appearance, was a great character.  He is the leader of his Order, takes the cards fate gives him like a man, and also tries his best AND dies trying.  Ion's religion preaches about fulfilling the prophecy so that they can live a long and prosperous life (the prophecy at the beginning of the game details this: First there will be war, then unprecedented peace -- but you MUST go to war).  Despite the prophecy, despite his religion's teachings, Ion is still on a mission to PREVENT war and trying to change old and conservative religious perspective and practice. (Here's a bad modern example: Parts of the Christian Bible are anti-homosexual, but the new Pope in Rome, Pope Francis, is happy to have *anyone* who wishes to pray to god, even gays, as invited into the church despite teachings otherwise that may condemn it).  In the end, Ion's sacrifices help to turn the tide on the world's understanding of the "religious prophecy" in hopes of building a new life for its people, shacked otherwise by said prophecy.  

I liked this "middle way" or the use of the Order of Lorelai as its own political faction since a lot of JRPGs just love turning the "holy religion" into the "big bad" at some point (Breath of Fire II, III, FFX, Lunar, Grandia II, Tales of Symphonia, etc.).  Van's extreme zeal in destroying the Order of Lorelai works as the game's primary problem, even despite the "Abyss-part" in Tales of the Abyss (I'll get into that later)

Fonons
While I agree the games gets extrememely turgid with respect to "fonons-this" and "fonons-that", the Tales series as a whole is pretty guilty of this (Mana, Cryas, Aer, Spyrix, Craymels, etc).  What's worse is I hate how it's this "magic fuel" that will do everything from flushing toilets to causing world destruction.  I kind of LIKE fonons because they try so hard to be scientific (they're basically "atoms on drugs"), and I like that the Tales series enjoys playing with ideas where too little is dangerous, but too much is deadly.  But your milage may very there.  Ah well, at least FoF's were fun (although underplayed).  I do also like the idea of a more ambiguous "seventh element" of sound that tries to fill in the gaps of the somewhat redundant and arbitrary earth, water, wind, fire, holy and darkness that is played too much in a lot of games let alone Tales games... worked for Chrono Cross too.
This is definitely an issue though, I won't deny that.  I do think that it's otherwise good they TRY at an explanation than just say "let's use magic to fix it all! *finger snap*"

Characters
Anyways, while I won't try to go at length about why the characters are good, or even if they are or aren't.  I will say I like the variety.  Indeed, you get a representative from most major socio-political corners of the planet.  I like that Luke had a very justifiable identity crises, I like that Tear had to face-off against her brother (the part of her as a soldier for the order is kind of bland, but gives her that "quirk" that JRPGs desperately love), I like that Guy has a pretty important turnabout and acts as a surviving member to a previous national disaster (Hod's destruction) and how he acts against the governments who had a hand in it, I like Jade because of a LOT of reasons (comedic relief and intellectual powerhouse never looked so good), I liked Anise for being a kid (I'm a minority here, but her rescuing her parents felt like a legit problem for a kid), and Natalia was a lovely and noble princess (she did have some of those "annoying princess tendencies" to talk her head off and get offended, but for the most part she is a woman of her people and didn't need some sort of "cathartic character-defining moment" to realize it).

The villains are also interesting enough.  The best?  Hardly.  But they worked, and I preferred them to fighting monsterous abominations, or as some shit JRPGs: Enemies without any real motivation or are summed up to "destroy/rule" the world.  Van wanted to recreate a world free of religious consequence, free of disaster being spelled out but people blindly or complacently follow it because "it means peace down the line" and where people stopped living for the future.  Lagretta is a bit of a write-off, but hey, women fighting for their lover...eugh, sure.  Her dynamic with Tear works as a teacher-student relationship, but also how Van's "crush" took the front door and Tear (a blood-relative) went out the back door.  Sync was interesting for reasons I specified earlier, his irrational yet purposed behaviour was like looking into an alternate reality for Ion if things didn't go as planned.  Largo had his one moment and Dist "worked" as that JRPG pariah-boss/comedic relief.

World
What's left to say?  Oh yeah... the environment stuff, the ABYSS stuff.  I don't ave much to add, personally speaking I thought it served four (actually somewhat) small functions.  
(1) It looked cool.
(2) The idea of a damaged and poisonous world works at a psychological level.
(3) Helps give that minor "environmental message" that was literally solved when the world "worked together" (daww PLZ RECYCLE)
(4) Helps provide for a lot of the game's dungeons; or you get a Suikoden II-issue where there's like 6 major bosses, most away from the "political environment" the game takes so long to nurture.

I definitely think that it still amounts to creative a very FULL and unique world environment between the major players, the world religion, and the major political entities (and their contrast against the main villains).  It's also better than typical world building scenarios that often just stick to "well there's a king, he's ok....!! And a great evil force!!!...And people can use magic!!!".  A *lot* of games do at least one of those tropes.  Abyss does to, but tries to substantiate it (the Kings are warring political bodies who fight over land; the magical force used is Fonon-Science in the wrong hands; and people use magic because they've developed how to use that "magical-fonon-science").

I'm not trying to try to change minds, but offer perspective in, what I think, is a fair way (I admit faults and personal opinions too!).  I wouldn't ask someone to play an RPG again (especially 50+ hour ones), but I DO believe the game benefits from a second play rather than necessitates it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: rancidweasel on February 03, 2014, 01:01:31 PM
43 hours in and im not bored yet.  ive kiiiiinda been obsessing over the titles lately so a lot of those hours have been used through title grinding....which has lead to me being overpowered when it comes to the boss fights. 

Go for the one-minute challenges!

Kurt can suck ass with respect to that.
Suck ass, Kurt!

What are the one minute challenges?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: rancidweasel on February 03, 2014, 01:08:32 PM
43 hours in and im not bored yet.  ive kiiiiinda been obsessing over the titles lately so a lot of those hours have been used through title grinding....which has lead to me being overpowered when it comes to the boss fights. 

I'm only pushing 30 hours or so in Vesperia but have encountered the same problem. Grinding for materials for synthesis has left me a wee bit too strong. The difficulty balance is the only problem I've found thus far. On "normal" fights are way too easy for me at this point, but "hard" mode doesn't so much make the battles difficult as it just makes them lengthy and (after quite a few in a row) annoying to a point.

I hope the difficulty ramps up a bit (I just polished off the events at the colliseum with Belius after the desert, really cool part BTW!!).

I didn't play much of vesperia. Not that I didn't like it...it's just that I was half playing other games when I started it and so it took 2nd fiddle for a while, and then I just kinda forgot about it.  Xillia may actually be the 1st tales game I end up finishing. 60hours in now ☺️
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Blace on February 03, 2014, 01:16:54 PM
A second playthrough of Abyss would probably help alot, but I can't muster the enthusiasm to do it and it would also have to be the 3DS version because I couldn't stand the technical issues. Maybe one day when I find it cheap on sale (if it ever happens).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on February 03, 2014, 10:37:43 PM
Dice that's a great write-up of Abyss and you really touch upon a lot of its strengths, many of which I did not even think about. I especially like the points you made about religion in the world of Abyss.

I'd also like to add that "Meaning of Birth" is one of the best battle tunes I've ever had the pleasure of hearing.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on February 03, 2014, 10:49:27 PM
I totally hear where you're coming from Dice, and I think you're absolutely right. Just, for me, I couldn't get past the problems I have with it to enjoy all the things you mentioned.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 03, 2014, 11:02:11 PM
I totally hear where you're coming from Dice, and I think you're absolutely right. Just, for me, I couldn't get past the problems I have with it to enjoy all the things you mentioned.

Oh I barely play the game for the battle system anymore (usually I skip all except bosses).  Usually I just NG+ it and enjoy the sights and sounds and such.

Either way I'm kinda grateful that people read it (or parts of it).  :D
And believe me, I know the game has issues.  But story-wise it was a rare shiny example of what works in *my* eyes...and Uni life has me arguing about it.

43 hours in and im not bored yet.  ive kiiiiinda been obsessing over the titles lately so a lot of those hours have been used through title grinding....which has lead to me being overpowered when it comes to the boss fights. 

Go for the one-minute challenges!

Kurt can suck ass with respect to that.
Suck ass, Kurt!

What are the one minute challenges?

You get trophies for killing bosses in 1 minute, so since you're super-powered I thought you'd be interested in giver that a go!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on February 03, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
I like the first half of Abyss quite a bit.
It was the second half that not only didn't click with me, but I found I couldn't tolerate any of the characters.

I'm a bit ashamed because some of my best friends love it, and I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on February 04, 2014, 07:28:24 AM
So,I'm playing Phantasia, and an interesting thing I had never noticed/thought about (I'm sure others have): Maxwell, Lord of Spirits is mentioned in a book in Claus' house.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 04, 2014, 11:43:34 AM
So,I'm playing Phantasia, and an interesting thing I had never noticed/thought about (I'm sure others have): Maxwell, Lord of Spirits is mentioned in a book in Claus' house.

(Psst "Tethe'Alla" is in another book too)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dincrest on February 04, 2014, 03:48:41 PM
Oh yeah, I thought it was commonly accepted that Symphonia takes place prior to Phantasia and that
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the tree Lloyd plants at the end becomes the magic tree in the forest outside Toltus in Phantasia.
And in Tales of Destiny, Stahn finds a children's book in someone's house called Tales of Phantasia.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on February 04, 2014, 04:00:17 PM
Speaking of Symphonia, it's the only English Tales I haven't played.

Yay or nay on the HD remake up to now?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 04, 2014, 04:34:41 PM
Speaking of Symphonia, it's the only English Tales I haven't played.

Yay or nay on the HD remake up to now?

Is it an HD remake?  It looks like it was cleaned up a bit and that's about it...y'know, got rid of that awful blurry cel shading:
(http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/561316_20040706_screen011.jpg)
Well, whatever, it looks like this:
(http://operationrainfall.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/tales-of-symphonia-chronicles-sheena-judith-victory.jpg)

Anyways, ToS is still great, and a good starting point for the more "modern" Tales. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on February 04, 2014, 04:45:06 PM
Yeah, it looks fucking bad like ass... but should I still go for it?
I mean, it's the only one I'm missing...

Then again, it's 40$
That's actually a descent price.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 04, 2014, 04:54:17 PM
Yeah, it looks fucking bad like ass... but should I still go for it?
I mean, it's the only one I'm missing...

Then again, it's 40$
That's actually a descent price.

Do you like RPGs?  Do you like nostalgia?  Do you like good/amusing characters?  Do you remember the days games had puzzles in their dungeons?

LOOK NO FURTHER, FOR FORTY DOLLARS YOU GET ONE GOOD GAME IN THE HD COLLECTION
(ie; not ToS2....)

I recommend it, it's a lot of fun, and a lot of people's first RPG and old-time favorite.  It has a lot of "classic" elements too; those humble beginnings to grander adventures.  It's a perfect blend of old school and modern RPG.  Maybe check out Lets Plays though too!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on February 04, 2014, 05:08:47 PM
I'd pay $40 to not have ToS2 forced upon me. (I'm not getting the HD collection :P)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dincrest on February 04, 2014, 07:11:43 PM
I haven't played ToS 2 but I do wonder what's worse: that or Phantasia iOS. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 04, 2014, 07:33:19 PM
I haven't played ToS 2 but I do wonder what's worse: that or Phantasia iOS. 

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c27/Trippyy/Vesti/waitasecond.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Tomara on February 05, 2014, 03:03:07 AM
I haven't played ToS 2 but I do wonder what's worse: that or Phantasia iOS. 

Hey, ToS2 is a kinda fun game in the way Final Fantasy XIII-2 is a kinda fun game. Sure, the story is stupid, you're stuck with monsters and the game doesn't really need to excist in the first place, but I won't deny it entertained me. Just don't expect too much. Better yet, don't expect anything. Lose all hope. That should work.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 05, 2014, 10:58:03 AM
I haven't played ToS 2 but I do wonder what's worse: that or Phantasia iOS. 

Hey, ToS2 is a kinda fun game in the way Final Fantasy XIII-2 is a kinda fun game. Sure, the story is stupid, you're stuck with monsters and the game doesn't really need to excist in the first place, but I won't deny it entertained me. Just don't expect too much. Better yet, don't expect anything. Lose all hope. That should work.

I enjoyed it.  It was one of those Sundays where I was bored as hell...so yeah.

Also, the game has one of the strangest requirements for the perfect ending...
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I think you just dodge lightning....and you can't leave the fire dungeon once you started it... A perfect future rests on these tasks!!!!!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klutz64 on February 05, 2014, 12:00:52 PM
Posted my thoughts in here about ToS, but it seems to have disappeared. Basically I just said that after starting with the 3D battlefields, I couldn't get into the 2D ones because everything seemed so cluttered, I couldn't tell what was going on. After my first battle in Symphonia with a full party, I just gave up.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 05, 2014, 04:42:01 PM
Creeping this thread and playing Vesperia made me re-think my Tales plans... I was going for the obligatory HD collection (collectors edition) at the end of the month although Symphonia was/is admittingly the least desirable for me to play. Not because it is a bad game. Quite the contrary, I loved what I remember of it. I did however play through it whilst knee deep in addiction many years ago, and did so co-op with an ex girlfriend. The whole experience is not one I care to remember....

.... And then the other day you fine folk started talking about Tales of Destiny, and Eternia.

Well last night I got the courage to cancel my HD collection pre-order (really didn't have the disposable funds anyhow) and am going to go for Tales of Destiny or Eternia instead (a little ways down the road).... Going from Vesperia (currently playing what I presume to be close to the end) right into Symphonia in two weeks seemed like A LOT of Tales to digest anyhow.

I have been meaning to get to Destiny and Eternia for years actually, but kept putting em off in the interest of new releases (a habbit I REALLY want to break). And thanks to things like Dice talking about the "magic" of the ps1 era RPG's I finally got pushed over the edge on the whole matter.

Thank you Dice (and community) for saving me 100 dollars whilst reminding me of something I REALLY want and don't just feel obligated to experience.

All that aside, upon thinking about it more and realizing Xillia 2 and eventually the new Tales game are also in the foreseeable future I think i need to include time in my gaming life for other games.... I swear, if I wanted and let myself I could strictly play just "Tales of" something until 2015.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 05, 2014, 04:49:44 PM
Thanks Klyde.  I kinda wanna make a classic RPG revival/nostalgia thread right now... they had that ...jeux ne sais quoi

Eternia is my "unsuspected favorite".  The world is especially beautiful, the 2D background art makes every place look cozy and wonderful.  The battle system can be fun (magic is particularly well done, I'm sad they never did a Craymel Cage again) and there is a ton of sidequests!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on February 05, 2014, 05:04:58 PM
The biggest problem with Destiny is that we never got the Director Cut version...
That version looks soooooooooooooooooooooo good.
I should just import it because it looks that freaking good.

Here

When I think of good remakes, I think of Tales of Destiny.

PSX:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuO2pgW1250&feature=player_detailpage#t=224

PS2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxcmQJeLgco

jeux ne sais quoi

Either spelling error or really clever pun.
I'm sure it's the later.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Monsoon on February 05, 2014, 06:51:20 PM
I deeply deeply wish we had gotten one of those ToD remakes.  The original Destiny is the worst Tales Of game by a long shot, and the remakes probably fix 90% of my issues with the clunky combat and lame character customization. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Reta on February 05, 2014, 10:39:53 PM
Alright, so I have both Rebirth and Innocence R backlogged... What are your thoughts on each? Which should I play first? Which has more difficult Japanese?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 05, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Alright, so I have both Rebirth and Innocence R backlogged... What are your thoughts on each? Which should I play first? Which has more difficult Japanese?

Rebirth is....like the blacksheep of the series, but a good blacksheep!   I've only seen portions from LP's, but I do like the combat and the characters.

Innocence R is kinda "iffy" with me.  I kinda prefer what the DS did for the time than what the Vita has for ITS time (the "new battle system" in InnoR is kinda derivative too).  Still worth a go, the only objectively BAD Tales game is Tempest
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on February 06, 2014, 01:16:52 PM
You know, it's weird, but I got ToS2's perfect ending by complete accident. I thought the game ended on a really nice note, and then I went online and read that there were bad endings, I was genuinely shocked. And then I read what the requirements were, and thought it was stupid. Even if I got the best result, I could have easily messed those parts of the game up without even thinking about it.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Serene Prophet on February 06, 2014, 05:56:23 PM
Man, after reading the past few pages on peoples opinions on the various games in the series they have played...I have realized I must just have really low standards..or don't really analyze the games I am playing when I do play them.  Its usually either I like it, or I don't I never really put thought into it beyond that :P.  And so far every Tales game i've played (starting with Destiny which im sure wouldnt hold up if I played it again, but which I loved back when I first played it, which was a little after FF8 came out.) I have really enjoyed.  I will say Vesperia for me was the best, I enjoyed the characters and world the most.  The other games I maybe had a few nitpicks over, but yeah lol.  I will probably be getting the HD collection simply because Ive never played either game, and ToS is considered a favorite among a few good friends of mine.  Plus I kinda wanna see what is so terrible about 2.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Andrew on February 06, 2014, 06:12:32 PM
Nothing wrong with enjoying them all, Serene! :) As for ToS2, you'll probably see it's problems within moments of playing! ...But, maybe you'll enjoy it anyway! ;)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 06, 2014, 06:55:42 PM
Man, after reading the past few pages on peoples opinions on the various games in the series they have played...I have realized I must just have really low standards..or don't really analyze the games I am playing when I do play them.  Its usually either I like it, or I don't I never really put thought into it beyond that :P.  And so far every Tales game i've played (starting with Destiny which im sure wouldnt hold up if I played it again, but which I loved back when I first played it, which was a little after FF8 came out.) I have really enjoyed.  I will say Vesperia for me was the best, I enjoyed the characters and world the most.  The other games I maybe had a few nitpicks over, but yeah lol.  I will probably be getting the HD collection simply because Ive never played either game, and ToS is considered a favorite among a few good friends of mine.  Plus I kinda wanna see what is so terrible about 2.

If you've got low standards then so do I. I've enjoyed each Tales game I've played as well. While I admit some really shine in various respects, more so than others.

Vesperia is what I am currently playing. About 45 hours into it. I won't make any bold statements yet (until I finish it) but this may be shaping up to be not only my favorite tales but one of top games for the generation IMO.

While I still have a bit of catching up to do with the last generation (still present gen in my world, and will be for at least another year or 2), my enjoyment with Vesperia has been comparable to that of Xenoblade and Ni No Kuni. And that my friends, is BIG TIME FUN! LoL

The joy of Vesperia has pretty much boiled down to the cast and environments for me. Both of which are a few notches above the "Tales of" bar so to speak. Subjectively speaking, I feel like this game is tailored to my own particular tastes to an almost eerie degree.

Additionally, the plot and writing are just freakin' stellar. The story is not predictable by any means, but every twist and turn I have encountered thus far has yet to leave me scratching my head or feeling like anything has become incoherent. I can't speak much more about that until I get to and through the final act.

My only complaint is that I feel the world could have been bigger. Not that it is small... but few more continents and with some other kingdoms/tribes/peoples would have been nice.

EDIT!! I forgot to comment on this...

Thanks Klyde.  I kinda wanna make a classic RPG revival/nostalgia thread right now... they had that ...jeux ne sais quoi

Eternia is my "unsuspected favorite".  The world is especially beautiful, the 2D background art makes every place look cozy and wonderful.  The battle system can be fun (magic is particularly well done, I'm sad they never did a Craymel Cage again) and there is a ton of sidequests!

I second the motion to create that thread... In some ways, nostalgia aside I miss older gen RPG's A LOT. I used to once believe it was purely nostalgia but after playing lots of oldies over the last few years with zero nostalgic value, I've come to realize they were just a wee bit of a different breed altogether. While that "other breed" may be outdated and poorly aged I appreciate them for what they are in a unique way.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: FallenGrace on February 08, 2014, 05:37:50 AM
I've only played a few, many didn't get EU releases or came to consoles I didn't own (Vesperia, 3DS release of Abyss) but I really loved Xillia, Eternia, Symphonia. The only I didn't was Graces, great battle system, stupid whiny cast though....ugh.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 09, 2014, 06:33:03 PM
Ok, so I spoke too soon on the Vesperia plot. I did end up getting a wee bit confused after my session with it last night... No major confusion, but if anyone could offer some plot clarification on a minor point I would appreciate it :)

Here is what I missed/didn't quite understand

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I just rescued Estelle from Alexei at Zaphias (the capital) and she was being controlled via the use of the Apatheia and Alexei's formula/code. That much I gathered... I also understood Alexei's method of control involved the use of the barrier blastia... what I did not understand was what the problem was after Estelle is rescued... she is "stable" (so says Rita) but only so within the  city and with Dein Neimos' Aer control??? And then this whole issue is resolved by somehow sustaining Estelle's stability or well being via the use of her life force and power as the Child of the full moon... due to... Rita's handy-work???? Lastly as a result, the barrier of the city is restored because it is now no longer functioning to sustain Estelle/control over her.... Did I follow that right? I know its a minor plot point really but it bugs me that I didn't grasp it entirely due to the windy blastia jargon coupled with the fact that it was 6am and I was falling asleep-LoL
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 09, 2014, 08:25:06 PM
Ok, so I spoke too soon on the Vesperia plot. I did end up getting a wee bit confused after my session with it last night... No major confusion, but if anyone could offer some plot clarification on a minor point I would appreciate it :)

Here is what I missed/didn't quite understand

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I just rescued Estelle from Alexei at Zaphias (the capital) and she was being controlled via the use of the Apatheia and Alexei's formula/code. That much I gathered... I also understood Alexei's method of control involved the use of the barrier blastia... what I did not understand was what the problem was after Estelle is rescued... she is "stable" (so says Rita) but only so within the  city and with Dein Neimos' Aer control??? And then this whole issue is resolved by somehow sustaining Estelle's stability or well being via the use of her life force and power as the Child of the full moon... due to... Rita's handy-work???? Lastly as a result, the barrier of the city is restored because it is now no longer functioning to sustain Estelle/control over her.... Did I follow that right? I know its a minor plot point really but it bugs me that I didn't grasp it entirely due to the windy blastia jargon coupled with the fact that it was 6am and I was falling asleep-LoL


I don't think Einstein or the original writers for the plot could tell you really what's going on for certain.  I kinda just tuned that bit up to "Tales Mumbo-Jumbo"* and let the plot move on (and it does for an even more bizarre third act).

* Honestly, the plot has done this a few times.  Tales of Symphonia's talk about how to deal with mana influx becomes terribly confusing and turgid; and a lot of Abyss plot within the "Abyss" itself about particle flow is just...whatever... a means to an end, is probably the best way to describe it.  Whatever you got for from the conversation is enough and not necessary to the overall enjoyment.  Vesperia is better seen as a story about its character's growth than a story about saving the world and how it was done.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 09, 2014, 10:33:30 PM
(and it does for an even more bizarre third act).



Come on!! I REALLY believed Yuri when he said this was the FINAL battle!! What a spoiler.... LoL

J/k (the internet makes it so hard to be sarcastic)

Glad to know I didn't really "miss" anything so much as it was poorly explained. I felt like an idiot last night trying to follow what was going on there.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bytor on February 12, 2014, 09:25:41 AM
And speaking on Vesperia, just got my ass kicked on the final battle, well, not really kicked, it was close but I lost. I have to be honest I freaking despise huge final battles, drives me crazy to have played for 70-80 hours and have the game boil down to a battle against something with a gazillion hit points who has an instant death attack which I cannot hope to block and can only pray to survive with 2 hit points....dunno, maybe it's just me but I hate this kind of shit.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on February 12, 2014, 09:40:50 AM
And speaking on Vesperia, just got my ass kicked on the final battle, well, not really kicked, it was close but I lost. I have to be honest I freaking despise huge final battles, drives me crazy to have played for 70-80 hours and have the game boil down to a battle against something with a gazillion hit points who has an instant death attack which I cannot hope to block and can only pray to survive with 2 hit points....dunno, maybe it's just me but I hate this kind of shit.

Didn't you hear about Eternal Support?
Late game Estelle makes it impossible to lose.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Blace on February 12, 2014, 11:01:08 AM
And speaking on Vesperia, just got my ass kicked on the final battle, well, not really kicked, it was close but I lost. I have to be honest I freaking despise huge final battles, drives me crazy to have played for 70-80 hours and have the game boil down to a battle against something with a gazillion hit points who has an instant death attack which I cannot hope to block and can only pray to survive with 2 hit points....dunno, maybe it's just me but I hate this kind of shit.

I totally agree with you... FF VIII is the worst offender of this I have experienced. I only beat that game because Phoenix randomly revived my entire party when I got wiped out. NONE of my friends have beat that game because they can't beat the final boss.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 12, 2014, 05:06:00 PM
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-02-12/ryota-ohsaka-voices-mikurio-in-tales-of-zestiria-ps3-game
NEW CHALLENGER.


Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Aeolus on February 12, 2014, 09:06:02 PM
How the hell is that even supposed to work?

"Great, our main character is doing one man skits again. If you and your *ahem* friend need some time to each other, we'll happily bench your ass. Wait. Did that monster suddenly expire on its own? WTF!?"

Chances are the rest of the party will gain the ability to see these mythical creatures within the first five minutes of the guy(?) joining (that or the guy(so androgynous) in question will lose either his bizbo powers or the source of said bizbo powers five minutes before he(seriously, dude looks like a lady) joins).
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on February 12, 2014, 09:08:28 PM
Yeah, they'll get to see him soon enough...

BUT

I would go and buy 20 hats, and tip every single one of them to the developers if it lasts until late game.

EDIT: fuuuuuuuu... now I want to replay Tales of Eternia and listen to Meredy speak gibberish for half the game.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 12, 2014, 09:30:38 PM
EDIT: fuuuuuuuu... now I want to replay Tales of Eternia and listen to Meredy speak gibberish for half the game.

She really owns that gibberish.  I actually liked hers better than Wingull's Asian-whatever-inspired gibberish.  He was so serious sounding about it too...

I love Eternia.  If there was a game that simultaneously deserved and will never get "remake lovin' " it's ToE.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on February 13, 2014, 01:54:20 PM
EDIT: fuuuuuuuu... now I want to replay Tales of Eternia and listen to Meredy speak gibberish for half the game.

She really owns that gibberish.  I actually liked hers better than Wingull's Asian-whatever-inspired gibberish.  He was so serious sounding about it too...

I love Eternia.  If there was a game that simultaneously deserved and will never get "remake lovin' " it's ToE.

Voon dinentia. Ties tess tien, dio moo kwatinwanga. Lightning Nova!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on February 17, 2014, 03:40:51 AM
Not a Playstation game, but considering we're using this as our general Tales of thread. . .

http://gematsu.com/2014/02/tales-asteria-announced-ios-android
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dincrest on February 17, 2014, 07:38:42 AM
Hopefully Bandai-Namco learns from the debacle that is Tales of Phantasia iOS and actually makes Asteria oh, I dunno, playable?  Because ToP proved to me that Tales and tablets do NOT mix.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on February 17, 2014, 08:31:56 AM
Yeah, I can't see playing a Tales game on a tablet. Maybe it's just because I've been conditioned with buttons/keys for years and years, but I just don't do the full touch screen well enough for something like Tales of.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: (Tunnels) on February 17, 2014, 09:10:17 PM
Not a Playstation game, but considering we're using this as our general Tales of thread. . .

http://gematsu.com/2014/02/tales-asteria-announced-ios-android

Dat Asteria
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: FallenGrace on February 19, 2014, 08:02:55 AM
Not a Playstation game, but considering we're using this as our general Tales of thread. . .

http://gematsu.com/2014/02/tales-asteria-announced-ios-android
Ugh! While there is obviously a market for this stuff I can't stand phone and tablet games. Still with TOS collection, Xillia 2 and Zestria coming I can't complain too much XD
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Maxximum on February 19, 2014, 11:23:33 AM
I really need to give the tales games a go. Its sad that there was a time where I could be fussy, spoiled and picky about what I play and now I'm pretty much left to scavenge for anything that at least resembles the games I liked.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 21, 2014, 10:36:56 PM
You're welcome!
(http://i.imgur.com/7FtEGNf.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Elegance on February 21, 2014, 11:07:42 PM
I really need to give the tales games a go. Its sad that there was a time where I could be fussy, spoiled and picky about what I play and now I'm pretty much left to scavenge for anything that at least resembles the games I liked.
But then you realize there is so little time and so many games.  I've forced myself to be more picky so that I can eventually replay some favorites.

That said, yes, Tales is worth checking out.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 22, 2014, 06:21:01 PM
I totally forgot how progressive Symphonia was.  Not only with it's very clear anti-racist messages, but also because Colette has two fathers.  HEYO.....  I'm being a jackass.

I love the cameo costumes (except Raines).  Mostly I'm just happy to get them out of the pretty constricting outfits they usually do wear.  ...Actually, thinking about it, as far as JRPGs go a lot of the characters are really well covered-up --- even their sex-pot character Sheena who's really only got the top half of her melons exposed.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 22, 2014, 07:21:24 PM
Finally finished Vesperia.

That was a supremely satisfying experience for me. My only problem is that there is no Tales of Vesperia Part 2. I didn't want it to end.

Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dincrest on February 22, 2014, 08:58:10 PM
I love the cameo costumes (except Raines).  Mostly I'm just happy to get them out of the pretty constricting outfits they usually do wear.  ...Actually, thinking about it, as far as JRPGs go a lot of the characters are really well covered-up --- even their sex-pot character Sheena who's really only got the top half of her melons exposed.

The unicorn scene with Sheena is one of my favorites in the game.  Thing with Sheena is that
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even though she looks sexy, she's actually the demure one.  She's obviously still a virgin since she can hang with the unicorn and gets ruffled that people think she's slutty because she's stacked.  And in Mizuho, their attitudes about relationships and all is REALLY strict and Sheena respected it.  On the other hand, seemingly demure Raine said she couldn't hang with the unicorn because "she's an adult."  That's such a sanitized way of saying she's not a virgin.  So who the hell has that half-elven tramp been banging?    
In other words, Symphonia flipped the script there and did another subtle take on the theme of not judging based on appearances.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on February 22, 2014, 09:14:58 PM
Forgive the off-topic, but FFVII did it too,
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with Tifa and Aeris.   Their personalities also fit into the other's trope, too.  Tifa's pretty demure, even if she's a bit on the
messed up side, while Aeris is blunt and playful.

I like it when games play with tropes in subtle ways like that. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 22, 2014, 10:19:42 PM
Finally finished Vesperia.

That was a supremely satisfying experience for me. My only problem is that there is no Tales of Vesperia Part 2. I didn't want it to end.



Given the abrupt ending and the loss of a major technology by the end of game, I think a second title could actually work better than it did with Destiny and Symphonia getting sequels (their endings felt pretty "complete" by the first title anyways).  Also I feel like the plot of a world "overrun" with monsters becomes even more frightening since the technology that protected the cities is gone....  Dang.  There's sequel potential there for sure. 

Maybe we'll need the 10 year anni for Vesperia then...?  Oh man...PS4 HD UPDATES!?!?  Sorry, my thoughts jumped ship.

I love the cameo costumes (except Raines).  Mostly I'm just happy to get them out of the pretty constricting outfits they usually do wear.  ...Actually, thinking about it, as far as JRPGs go a lot of the characters are really well covered-up --- even their sex-pot character Sheena who's really only got the top half of her melons exposed.

The unicorn scene with Sheena is one of my favorites in the game.  Thing with Sheena is that
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even though she looks sexy, she's actually the demure one.  She's obviously still a virgin since she can hang with the unicorn and gets ruffled that people think she's slutty because she's stacked.  And in Mizuho, their attitudes about relationships and shit is REALLY strict and Sheena respected it.On the other hand, Raine said she couldn't hang with the unicorn because "she's an adult."  Okay, so who the hell has that half-elven tramp been banging?   
In other words, Symphonia flipped the script there and did another subtle take on the theme of not judging based on appearances.
Forgive the off-topic, but FFVII did it too,
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with Tifa and Aeris.   Their personalities also fit into the other's trope, too.  Tifa's pretty demure, even if she's a bit on the
messed up side, while Aeris is blunt and playful.

I like it when games play with tropes in subtle ways like that. 

I never put it as "demure" before, but I never really put two-and-two together to come to that revelation (of course, the game DID come out when I was 13/14 and still dumb about life and "love").  I especially liked the perspective about Tifa and Aeris (literally, their bodies throw us off).  I kinda liked that Tifa was more shy but honest about her feelings; Aeris was more a playful flirt about it (to the point that it was kinda silly actually: TEE-HEE I'LL PAY YOU BACK WITH A D-A-T-E! <3 shit).

And yeah, I always liked the bit with the unicorn.  The fact it meets "pure ladies" is a clever way to get some nutty party hijinks out of a legitimate scenario. 
I kinda wanna talk about this more in another context...The Sheena x Zelos dynamic in skits a lot of fun because he's crazy about her (and her body), but Sheena's surprisingly humble, shy, and reserved to reciprocate it at all.  I was actually thinking about this with respect to Bravely Defaults "skits" (or Party Chat): Since Tiz and Agnes are just....kinda boring (they're very "mission-minded" and tend to state the obvious or give the more humble response), Tales games tend to infuse even their lead or serious characters with some quirk that makes many of the skits extremely enjoyable. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Bytor on February 22, 2014, 10:20:58 PM
Finally finished Vesperia.

That was a supremely satisfying experience for me. My only problem is that there is no Tales of Vesperia Part 2. I didn't want it to end.




I felt that way about Abyss, I simply did not wanna leave those characters! I loved Vesperai but I was ready for another adventure at the end. Jade needs his own game!!!!
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Elegance on February 22, 2014, 10:27:54 PM
Jade needs his own game!!!!
I'm down with this.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 22, 2014, 10:43:41 PM
Finally finished Vesperia.

That was a supremely satisfying experience for me. My only problem is that there is no Tales of Vesperia Part 2. I didn't want it to end.




I felt that way about Abyss, I simply did not wanna leave those characters! I loved Vesperai but I was ready for another adventure at the end. Jade needs his own game!!!!

I kinda like how, despite basically being responsible for all of the events in the game, he wasn't the lead.

Also, I'm kinda sad Yuri was retired from the "Best Tales Hero" poll....
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ultra7k on February 25, 2014, 05:39:13 PM
SO I guess Tales of Symphonia came out today. I happened to notice while browsing the PSN store that there are three separate entries?

1. Tales of Symphonia Chronicles
2. Tales of Symphonia
3. Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World

By my guess Chronicles is the two games combined. My question is, how much value is there in playing the after years chapter. Is it akin to playing Graces f, or more like...FFIV After Years? In essence, is the game/story worth playing, or in my case, having never played Symphonia (aside from the 1st hour on GC) should I just stick with the original?

Man, so many games to play in the upcoming months....it's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Elegance on February 25, 2014, 05:41:39 PM
SO I guess Tales of Symphonia came out today. I happened to notice while browsing the PSN store that there are three separate entries?

1. Tales of Symphonia Chronicles
2. Tales of Symphonia
3. Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World

By my guess Chronicles is the two games combined. My question is, how much value is there in playing the after years chapter. Is it akin to playing Graces f, or more like...FFIV After Years? In essence, is the game/story worth playing, or in my case, having never played Symphonia (aside from the 1st hour on GC) should I just stick with the original?

Man, so many games to play in the upcoming months....it's ridiculous.
The sequel is a full game, just not a very good one.  Personally I liked the new characters and story, but not how they treated the original's.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: ultra7k on February 25, 2014, 06:12:10 PM
Perhaps I will just buy and play the symphonia by itself then, considering how much acclaimed it is.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 25, 2014, 07:03:50 PM


Man, so many games to play in the upcoming months....it's ridiculous.

THIS!!!

Picking and choosing due to the fact that one just can't play everything has been difficult for me.

All the new releases coupled with the stuff on my shelf that has been burning a hole in my soul has made for some tough choices. I finally realized if I were to try and keep up with all the new releases I would NEVER get to some of the gems from recent years I missed.

As such I elected to play Vesperia, which was entirely new to me, and skip out on Symphonia. I just finished Vesperia and was still considering running out and compulsively buying Symphonia today but with Xilia 2 also coming out later this year I'm just saying NO!! LoL

I love Tales. Truly I do. But too much of a good thing is.... well... bad for me.

Symphonia is actually the easiest "Tales" for me to turn a blind eye to. I played it during a bad period in my life that I don't care to remember, so despite it being a great game I just can't enjoy it like I could something new or from a different point in my life < < < Is that WiErD?? Maybe I'm overtly sensitive... I'm dodging FF X for the same reason. I played both back to back during the same time in my life.

EDIT: When I ask if my inclination to avoid these 2 titles is strange and I say it is due to having played them during a bad period in my life, mind you, by bad I truly mean an absolutely utterly horrific leg of my existence I have all but erased from my concious recollection... just to clarify...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Cyril on February 26, 2014, 12:36:42 PM
This Symphonia Collector's Edition is gorgeous.

I'm very impressed with the novel that came with it.  I was expecting 20-30 pages, not 130!  Also, and this excites me greatly, it has a nice, thick instruction booklet, of the likes I haven't see in years.

On the other hand, the artbook is miniscule.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Nel_Annette on February 26, 2014, 12:44:35 PM
I just got the CE in the mail. This thing is fan-freaking-tastic! I didn't expect so much swag. I thought it was just going to be an artbook, soundtrack, and figures. But the steelbook, the little novel, and the soundtrack being four discs. Incredible.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on February 26, 2014, 02:29:06 PM
I need to find a job so I can get ToS:C
The more everyone talks about it, the more I'm interested in the game.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 26, 2014, 03:06:46 PM
I need to find a job so I can get ToS:C
The more everyone talks about it, the more I'm interested in the game.

I am starting to feel like my post yesterday was stupid... I'm becoming more and more tempted to grab this myself. Ugh... temptation... torn.... dag nabbit.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Monsoon on February 26, 2014, 05:37:40 PM
I liked ToS well enough, but when am I going to want to replay it, when my backlog is already ABSURD and there are new games I want coming out every month?  I'm guessing either never or not for a few more years.  I can wait awhile to pick this up.  It will still be around. 
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Elegance on February 26, 2014, 05:41:42 PM
I liked ToS well enough, but when am I going to want to replay it, when my backlog is already ABSURD and there are new games I want coming out every month?  I'm guessing either never or not for a few more years.  I can wait awhile to pick this up.  It will still be around. 
I'm in the same situation.  I don't care about HD and have more than enough to keep me busy.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 26, 2014, 05:47:29 PM
I liked ToS well enough, but when am I going to want to replay it, when my backlog is already ABSURD and there are new games I want coming out every month?  I'm guessing either never or not for a few more years.  I can wait awhile to pick this up.  It will still be around. 
I'm in the same situation.  I don't care about HD and have more than enough to keep me busy.

It's...like "HD lite".  The graphics are less blurry at least!

I think that ToS on its own for $20 on PSN is a pretty good deal for that nostalgia trip.  I think the game holds up pretty well even when you factor that nostalgia factor.

Bah.  I really don't have the heart to switch to the Japanese voices, but they liven skits up nicely.

Oh, if anyone wants:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130730215841/http://tales.namco.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=87660
The relationship guide archived from the Tales forums
Gamefaqs also has a pretty decent sub-event guide too.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Klyde Chroma on February 26, 2014, 06:11:57 PM
Dice, give it to me straight here.... I need your honest answer, being the tales girl.

While I'm sort of considering going backsies on my "waiting on symphonia" stance, I still know there are way too many tales games i want to get to.

I'm sort of just falling prey to the new release excitement, and as I expressed weeks ago here I really want to get to Eternia, Destiny and Phantasia.

So my question to you specifically, although I would love anyone elses input as well, is which out of those 4 (Eternia, Destiny, Phantasia and Symphonia HD) would you suggest looking into first. I really love old hand drawn art and spritework which is part of the reason I was/am leaning toward Eternia, Destiny or Phantasia but am also feeling REALLY compelled at the moment to just say screw it and check out Symphonia.

I know you (Dice) have mentioned Eternia as your unsuspected favorite and that really sways me. But I am curious how you feel it holds up to or trumps the others.

EDIT: I must say part of the Symphonia appeal to me is superficial. I didn't know you get costumes for having Xilia and Graces save data. I love costumes... this may be a decieving my senses a bit and luring me into the wrong choice...
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Elegance on February 26, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
Bah.  I really don't have the heart to switch to the Japanese voices, but they liven skits up nicely.
Are the skits not voiced in English?
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Annubis on February 26, 2014, 06:15:43 PM
Bah.  I really don't have the heart to switch to the Japanese voices, but they liven skits up nicely.
Are the skits not voiced in English?

Nope, JP only.
Title: Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed
Post by: Dice on February 26, 2014, 06:44:39 PM
Dice, give it to me straight here.... I need your honest answer, being the tales girl.

While I'm sort of considering going backsies on my "waiting on symphonia" stance, I still know there are way too many tales games i want to get to.

I'm sort of just falling prey to the new release excitement, and as I expressed weeks ago here I really want to get to Eternia, Destiny and Phantasia.

So my question to you specifically, although I would love anyone elses input as well, is which out of those 4 (Eternia, Destiny, Phantasia and Symphonia HD) would you suggest looking into first. I really love old hand drawn art and spritework which is part of the reason I was/am leaning toward Eternia, Destiny or Phantasia but am also feeling REALLY compelled at the moment to just say screw it and check out Symphonia.

I know you (Dice) have mentioned Eternia as your unsuspected favorite and that really sways me. But I am curious how you feel it holds up to or trumps the others.

EDIT: I must say part of the Symphonia appeal to me is superficial. I didn't know you get costumes for having Xilia and Graces save data. I love costumes... this may be a decieving my senses a bit and luring me into the wrong choice...

Phantasia is cute, sweet, and like the "classic film" of JRPGs.  The music and graphics [were] ahead of its time, and it was probably the first game to include a pop opening ...on the SNES (check it out, it's darling (http://youtu.be/W3SA9LuqQgA)).  Problem is, the US releases have been poorly handled.  There IS a free download available for the iOS, but it's a bit of a mixed bag with reported crashes, a leader board for some reason, and an always-online requirement (you get what you pay for?).  I'd recommend either find "other means" of playing it on computer (and with a 'speed up' button that takes away how boring the combat kind of is).  Alternatively there is an OVA if you just want to watch that (it's ok), or the PSX version (translated) which is pretty decent.  I recommend it in that you know what you're expecting.  It was made for the SNES and it's probably the vibe you'll get.  It's good, but I honestly think if time is of the essence there are better options worth your while.  

Destiny I can't really vouch for because I actually haven't beaten it (*GASP* -- I know, right?).  It was my first Tales title anyways (I rented and rented, but couldn't beat it on time).  It's pretty good and has everything you'd have loved in PSX-era JRPGs that weren't part of that high-caliber that SquareSoft was pumping out.  ToD and ToP(PSX) are very similar to each other.  The characters and dialogue are wonderful (Stahn is one of my favorite Tales heroes for being amusing as hell), but the battles are really sluggish and the random encounter rate is stupidly high (worst of all the game has you do puzzles while fighting battles; it's like punishing you for screwing up a puzzle because you gotta back track).  I kinda recommend it, problem is that the vaaaastly superior Tales of Destiny R exists with a battle system that introduced the famous "CC" counter that Graces used (and some actually prefer ToD's version to ToG).  A group is translating the PS2 Destiny, but they also work at a snails pace and of course it's not easy setting up translated PS2 games.

Eternia is a personal favourite of the "older games" and probably my favorite of the early lot.  It's on