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Title: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Aeolus on October 29, 2010, 06:13:51 AM
Gentlemen...Behold! (http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q4-2010/102810a.html)

Atlus. The ball's in your court. (And while you're at it, how about that Growlanser remake?)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: xXMelancholiaXx on October 29, 2010, 06:20:59 AM
It's already being discussed in the Megami Tensei thread (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=5539.1200). 
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: hell_snake on October 29, 2010, 07:04:37 AM
I think it deserves a thread of its own.

What we have so far:-

It's in-line image time.

(http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/images/00035155/s112_mV6R66m7N9EvP3InH1FBBky5jeb2hnv5.jpg)
(http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/images/00035155/s113_qo6R4kv9SKWFyE2UMv1kwTCRM8xZT9DP.jpg)

(http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/images/00035155/s204_WDf6gDF6DDlm3TxNAg9U7XCs4PH1zYPq.jpg)
Quote
The enemy's down, let's finish this!

(http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/images/00035155/s205_OuaVtjP99evPpJ7g96ZqU6btXIUHwqfW.jpg)


Quote
And new character art.

(http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/images/00035155/s116_TEVO3EYuSqAf8yNn3E7JMqyivKLd31Lb.jpg)(http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/images/00035155/s117_WLJXb4pY9f446ken2TtaXljp9J9JgCgn.jpg)(http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/images/00035155/s118_FsSSMplPna4QKnFmv2zGlVUi8o21tjAL.jpg)

(http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/images/00035155/s119_yCiPQ1xvbww5v33R9O73i98PJh5RxO63.jpg)(http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/images/00035155/s1110_XOp5oiO3EVqFypL64745VRxF97bDKXWe.jpg)(http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/images/00035155/s1111_GBYT75k3RUNKrygpwmP9nxP99Fqb3Xpa.jpg)

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New Opening:-

PSP ペルソナ2 罪 OPムービー (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gplbskiqs5s)

*sigh* This shit is all over the place. But is not bad... I guess.

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Info:-

Regarding Innocent Sin

http://blog.livedoor.jp/od3/archives/51774996.html

- Coming this Winter
- Supports Media Install
- Soundtrack CD pre-order bonus

- It's a "remake" like Persona 1 with balance and control improvements while based on the original game
- The gameplay systems will be based on Eternal Punishment's refinements instead of just the original Innocent Sin
- Soejima will be doing brand new full body illustrations for the characters, while the art staff will implement new portraits and cut-ins based on his supervision

- When you move around you'll see status details and a minimap now, and there will be various UI improvements, etc
- In battles you'll see the affinity of your demons, as well as character turn orders

- Battle balance and time constrained events will be retuned to make it more user friendly
- Difficulty can be changed on the fly in the menu
- Voices will all be remastered, but not re-recorded

- Brand new opening anime FMV by Satelight
- The original opening FMV is also included
- Arranged and Original BGM can be selected in the config menu

And some additional screens:-

(http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/images/00035155/s214_SbpqI5fn1W3n8m8yaZlkWI2E55Q7p6vy.jpg)
(http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/images/00035155/s215_OHHfG2C536bhtFg2GowL1x7h5MnE6rPQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: xXMelancholiaXx on October 29, 2010, 07:56:28 AM
I think it deserves a thread of its own.
If you guys are going to keep making a new thread everytime something note worthy comes out then there is no reason to have a Megami Tensei thread. In fact I think the moderators should sticky the Megami Tensei thread to cut down on potential thread redundancy. But that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: hell_snake on October 29, 2010, 08:37:00 AM
If you guys are going to keep making a new thread everytime something note worthy comes out then there is no reason to have a Megami Tensei thread. In fact I think the moderators should sticky the Megami Tensei thread to cut down on potential thread redundancy. But that's just my opinion.

It is a new game, therefore it deserves an official thread. It's easier to find information specifically for this game here than to dig through unrelated discussions in the Megami Tensei thread.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Darilon on October 29, 2010, 08:44:00 AM
I think it deserves a thread of its own.
If you guys are going to keep making a new thread everytime something note worthy comes out then there is no reason to have a Megami Tensei thread. In fact I think the moderators should sticky the Megami Tensei thread to cut down on potential thread redundancy. But that's just my opinion.

I always saw the Megami Tensai thread as a place to ask random questions such as is Kanji actually gay or as a help thread outside of the helper monkey part of the forum.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: xXMelancholiaXx on October 29, 2010, 08:45:27 AM
If you guys are going to keep making a new thread everytime something note worthy comes out then there is no reason to have a Megami Tensei thread. In fact I think the moderators should sticky the Megami Tensei thread to cut down on potential thread redundancy. But that's just my opinion.

It is a new game, therefore it deserves an official thread. It's easier to find information specifically for this game here than to dig through unrelated discussions in the Megami Tensei thread.
Well I'm not going to make a fuss about it. You guys can do whatever you want. I just think making new Megami Tensei related threads is unnecessary.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dice on October 29, 2010, 09:32:04 AM
The new opening is certainly the most visually tame.  I don't know if thats good.
Gameplay reivision will be a nice added touch.
Is this game going to compilate the two (Innocent and [argh, brain fart] the other one) Personas??

I personally hated the character designs for Persona 2.  Maya's heart boobs are tacky, the blue boy is a cybergoth megaman, and the main guy stepped out of a time machine from the 1970's.

I am reaalllyy looking forward to playing nonetheless.  Atlus is pretty good at bringing the SMT games out of Japanland.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 29, 2010, 10:37:41 AM
this game going to compilate the two (Innocent and [argh, brain fart] the other one) Personas??

Nope. Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment are going to be sold separately. They wanted to put the two games in one UMD or something... but, they couldn't do it.

Still, is better for Atlus to make more money this way anyway.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on October 29, 2010, 10:46:39 AM
I don't mind buying the game separately.

They are totally different games. It's not like it's Persona Heartgold and Persona Soulsilver here.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on October 29, 2010, 11:42:31 AM
this game going to compilate the two (Innocent and [argh, brain fart] the other one) Personas??

Nope. Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment are going to be sold separately. They wanted to put the two games in one UMD or something... but, they couldn't do it.

Still, is better for Atlus to make more money this way anyway.

It should be noted that an EP remake isn't even official yet, partly because of the UMD thing. Meguro wants to do it though. I bet Atlus wants to see that IS sells before they decide EP is worth it.

Or they're teasing the hell out of us.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Farron on October 29, 2010, 11:48:25 AM
If you guys are going to keep making a new thread everytime something note worthy comes out then there is no reason to have a Megami Tensei thread. In fact I think the moderators should sticky the Megami Tensei thread to cut down on potential thread redundancy. But that's just my opinion.

It is a new game, therefore it deserves an official thread. It's easier to find information specifically for this game here than to dig through unrelated discussions in the Megami Tensei thread.
Well I'm not going to make a fuss about it. You guys can do whatever you want. I just think making new Megami Tensei related threads is unnecessary.

I'm with you. We seem to be crating too many threads these days. It's like "Yoichi Wada sneezed" and we create a new thread.
Example, The new Phoenix Wright vs Professor Layton, instead of creating a new thread for it, we could've just renamed the one about "Capcom and Level 5 cooperation".

Anyway, I liked the opening. I think it's great to see they redone the artwork, because the one in P1 did feel a little dated. If it releases in PSN I think I might try the Jap version, especially to see if I can keep up with it but it depends on how much voice acting there is.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Fadedsun on October 29, 2010, 12:25:34 PM


I personally hated the character designs for Persona 2.  Maya's heart boobs are tacky, the blue boy is a cybergoth megaman, and the main guy stepped out of a time machine from the 1970's.



Your face is tacky!

The characters from P2 are some of my favorite character designs in a video game.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5874/740499-190px_katsuyap2_large.jpg

Katsuya is all kinds of awesome.


Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dice on October 29, 2010, 12:36:13 PM
Katsuya is all kinds of awesome.

MMm-mmm, those chops do all sorts of things to me...not.
Some of his styles I do like, especially monster/persona design I find especially intuitive.  The characters never really struck a chord though.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on October 29, 2010, 12:44:47 PM
The designs have been hit and miss with me. I like Maya, but I agree on the heart boobs being tacky.

I do like Katsuya's design though. But yeah, the demons are my favorites. :P
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 29, 2010, 12:56:09 PM
The designs have been hit and miss with me. I like Maya, but I agree on the heart boobs being tacky.

Tacky? I don't know, I always thought that it was a "cute" thing about the design.

Mara is kinda tacky, no doubt about it.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Fadedsun on October 29, 2010, 12:59:04 PM
Katsuya is all kinds of awesome.

MMm-mmm, those chops do all sorts of things to me...not.
Some of his styles I do like, especially monster/persona design I find especially intuitive.  The characters never really struck a chord though.

That's cool. Not everyone is going to like Kaneko's characters. I guess I'm not really looking at the hair. The suit and the shades are super cool though.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: hell_snake on October 29, 2010, 01:20:38 PM
Speculation time!

In this part of the intro:-
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5787/capturekff.png)

We can see both Hariti and Narcissus:-
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2356/haritistats.jpg)
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3569/narcissusstat.jpg)

And we all know that neither one of them is in P2. It's highly unlikely, but I hope they add some of the newer Personas that appeared in later installments.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on October 29, 2010, 01:37:21 PM
The designs have been hit and miss with me. I like Maya, but I agree on the heart boobs being tacky.

Tacky? I don't know, I always thought that it was a "cute" thing about the design.

Mara is kinda tacky, no doubt about it.
Well maybe it was meant to be cute but I was never fond of it. That's just me though.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: John on October 29, 2010, 01:53:56 PM
The designs have been hit and miss with me. I like Maya, but I agree on the heart boobs being tacky.

Tacky? I don't know, I always thought that it was a "cute" thing about the design.

Mara is kinda tacky, no doubt about it.
Well maybe it was meant to be cute but I was never fond of it. That's just me though.

The only thing that belongs on boobs in the SMT games are mouths:

(http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/dds/art-010.jpg)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on October 29, 2010, 01:59:57 PM
Greatest new I have heard all week.Now then,its time for Atlus to just spill the beans and deliver a next gen Persona game
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on October 29, 2010, 02:09:32 PM
John - agreed. Best forum avatar I've ever used. :-P

Greatest new I have heard all week.Now then,its time for Atlus to just spill the beans and deliver a next gen Persona game

Not gonna happen until Catherine is finished.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on October 29, 2010, 02:31:52 PM
I'm not too crazy about his character designs either. I also agree with the hearts on the boobs, they're lame.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Gen Eric Gui on October 29, 2010, 02:38:12 PM
Anyone questioning Kaneko's designs just needs to look at Nocturne.  Glowing Tats for the win.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Fadedsun on October 29, 2010, 03:30:47 PM
I'm not too crazy about his character designs either. I also agree with the hearts on the boobs, they're lame.

Would you say that if a hot girl was all over you and she was wearing that? Or you would you politely decline and say "I'm sorry, the hearts on your outfit are too lame for me."
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dice on October 29, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
I'm not too crazy about his character designs either. I also agree with the hearts on the boobs, they're lame.

Would you say that if a hot girl was all over you and she was wearing that? Or you would you politely decline and say "I'm sorry, the hearts on your outfit are too lame for me."

Kinda besides the point.  I think most sensible girls just don't wear hearts on their boobs (sans Lady Gaga).
Guys are so easy though.  If a good enough looking girls yelled "IMA VIRGIN AND I WANT SOME" then she'd be raped faster than she'd be asked.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yoda on October 29, 2010, 03:40:59 PM
Lady Gaga, sensible?
http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/600/gyi0062075566.jpg


And not all men behave like that.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Fadedsun on October 29, 2010, 03:48:43 PM
Lady Gaga, sensible?
http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/600/gyi0062075566.jpg


And not all men behave like that.

Yeah, I don't act like that at all. But that's for another thread.

I think Maya's outfit is cute, not tacky. Leopard print is tacky.

Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yoda on October 29, 2010, 03:53:18 PM
If there's one thing I'd rape it's a fucking gyro. I'm starving.

:(

I like the character designs in general but the heart boobs are a little weird.

Hopefully this remake doesn't skimp out on some of the in game animations like P3P did (allegedly)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on October 29, 2010, 04:10:33 PM
I took the Lady Gaga reference as an example of not-sensible. Meat dress (real or not), anyone?

One character design I DO like = my avatar. Ulala if you never played Eternal Punishment.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on October 29, 2010, 04:31:27 PM

One character design I DO like = my avatar. Ulala if you never played Eternal Punishment.

Don't underestimate me you *beep* bastard!
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on October 29, 2010, 06:34:51 PM
I'm not too crazy about his character designs either. I also agree with the hearts on the boobs, they're lame.

Would you say that if a hot girl was all over you and she was wearing that? Or you would you politely decline and say "I'm sorry, the hearts on your outfit are too lame for me."

What does that have to do with anything.

Anyway, I did like the characters in nocturne a lot, wasn't thinking about those.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dincrest on October 29, 2010, 07:22:23 PM
My favorite Urara quote is "The goodness of a woman isn't in her bra." 

The pectoral hearts on Maya's outfit are a fashion risk, but I've seen worse fashion risks in RPG characters.  I'd rather have her wear that than any given Tetsuya Nomura outfit. 
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Hobbun on October 29, 2010, 07:30:31 PM
Awesome, bringing over the P2 we have never seen. EP 'should' be a guarantee follow up. At least I hope so, will not purchase this one unless I can get both, I want the full story.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on October 29, 2010, 07:31:52 PM
Awesome, bringing over the P2 we have never seen. EP 'should' be a guarantee follow up. At least I hope so, will not purchase this one unless I can get both, I want the full story.

But you CAN get the full story, we did get Eternal Punishment.

I don't understand what you are saying.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Hobbun on October 29, 2010, 07:34:44 PM
Awesome, bringing over the P2 we have never seen. EP 'should' be a guarantee follow up. At least I hope so, will not purchase this one unless I can get both, I want the full story.

But you CAN get the full story, we did get Eternal Punishment.

I don't understand what you are saying.

 I don't have EP, and am not going to get it at the prices listed online for it. Besides, would be nice to see EP get the remake treatment as well.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dincrest on October 29, 2010, 07:37:10 PM
And some stuff from your final IS save carries over into EP.  Of course, that was dummied out of the original US version since we didn't get EP.  And EP would need a retweaked localization since the original script made allowances for the goofball changes in Revelations: Persona.  For example, EP made references to Lunarvale (Mikage City in P1) and used hybrid names for carryover characters (i.e. Nate Nanjo, Mary Sonomura, Guido Kandori- an extra allowance was made for his name originally being Guido Sardenia).  
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on October 29, 2010, 07:38:50 PM
Fair enough.I got my copy so cheap, but that was a PAL version, about 30 Euro's


No idea how much it's going for in US
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Hobbun on October 29, 2010, 07:45:23 PM
And some stuff from your final IS save carries over into EP.  Of course, that was dummied out of the original US version since we didn't get EP.  And EP would need a retweaked localization since the original script made allowances for the goofball changes in Revelations: Persona.  For example, EP made references to Lunarvale (Mikage City in P1) and used hybrid names for carryover characters (i.e. Nate Nanjo, Mary Sonomura, Guido Kandori- an extra allowance was made for his name originally being Guido Sardenia).  

If they do EP for the PSP (prays), hope they really do the carrying your save over from IS.

To Starmongoose, it is going for $80+ on ebay.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: D-Rider on October 29, 2010, 08:07:16 PM
Man, I've got to get a fucking PSP.  There's been way too much interesting shit coming out on it lately.

And yes, Maya does indeed look like an idiot with those hearts.  It's a good thing she's largely mute in EP, because anyone who would wear something like that would probably annoy the shit out of me with their words too. :P
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on October 29, 2010, 08:09:33 PM
She's very vocal in IS :P


STAY POSITIVE
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dincrest on October 29, 2010, 08:46:48 PM
That's why I had trouble accepting her as a mute protagonist in EP.  She's very talkative in IS being a reporter and a very sociable, outgoing type of woman.  Tatsuya made sense as a silent protagonist since he's a very private person. 

I <3 Maya, though.  When I played EP I was working in publishing at the time and could relate to her professionally.  Plus, she and I shared a lot of personality traits.  If that didn't beat all, she looked like an amalgamation of women I'd known over the years. 

Let's Positive Thinking!
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Lard on October 29, 2010, 09:25:42 PM
Do you have hearts on your boobs?
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: cj_iwakura on October 30, 2010, 11:17:08 AM
References to Revelations aside, EP still had a great localization.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Eusis on October 30, 2010, 11:19:16 AM
References to Revelations aside, EP still had a great localization.

And just why were those bad? They were trying to maintain continuity, even if a dumb localization makes things a little strange. Thankfully not an issue this time, but they did the best they could.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dincrest on October 30, 2010, 03:17:31 PM
Oh believe me, I was thoroughly impressed by EP's localization.  The way they were able to so smoothly make allowances for the previous game's localization foibles while maintaining the distinctive Japanese nature of the game was the point where they took that first step into greatness as a localization company.  Anyone here at RPGFan would answer Atlus when asked who does the best localizations.  

All I'm saying is that with P1 for PSP with the localization nature intended, a re-release of EP would need to reflect that.  That's common sense to me.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on October 30, 2010, 03:31:52 PM
^ Exactly. A remake of EP (localized version) would have to reflect the P1 remake AND Innocent Sin's remake. Meh.. I have faith in Atlus. :)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on October 30, 2010, 03:35:24 PM
They wont disappoint us.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 01, 2010, 11:35:24 AM
They wont disappoint us.

Of course not!

Wanna know why? Because Atlus is putting more money into the Persona 2 remake. (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/11/02/persona_2_remake_funds/)

http://p2is.atlusnet.jp/

The music of the official website is really nice.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on November 01, 2010, 12:04:09 PM
ATLUS FTW!
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: (Tunnels) on November 01, 2010, 03:26:03 PM
This instantly shot up to the top of my most anticipated list. This is just the kinda game I've been wanting to play. Now I really can't wait for next year.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: hell_snake on November 01, 2010, 04:48:02 PM
http://p2is.atlusnet.jp/

The music of the official website is really nice.

Great sound quality too.

Here's a download link for the official site music (direct-feed MP3): http://www.mediafire.com/?m2xuxxu8hlp6mt1
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Aeolus on November 02, 2010, 05:50:22 AM
ATLUS FTW!

ATLUS! WHERE'S MY GROWLANSER DAMMIT!?!

Or at least one of the OGSaga games.

Seriously, have they localized anything worth a damn at all in the last few years?

Man, fuck Atlus.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Fadedsun on November 02, 2010, 07:16:20 AM
ATLUS FTW!

ATLUS! WHERE'S MY GROWLANSER DAMMIT!?!

Or at least one of the OGSaga games.

Seriously, have they localized anything worth a damn at all in the last few years?

Man, fuck Atlus.

Maybe not to you, but to other people I'm sure they have.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on November 02, 2010, 11:53:24 AM

ATLUS! WHERE'S MY GROWLANSER DAMMIT!?!

Or at least one of the OGSaga games.

Seriously, have they localized anything worth a damn at all in the last few years?

Man, fuck Atlus.
I lol'ed.

Oh wait, you were serious?
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 02, 2010, 01:17:56 PM
ATLUS FTW!

ATLUS! WHERE'S MY GROWLANSER DAMMIT!?!

Or at least one of the OGSaga games.

Seriously, have they localized anything worth a damn at all in the last few years?

Man, fuck Atlus.

Here's your answer. (http://blog.hardcoregaming101.net/2010/10/neglected-eastern-gems-games-denied-for.html)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Fadedsun on November 02, 2010, 01:42:46 PM
Why was everyone going crazy over this Growlanser PSP game? Is it really that good? I could care less about it, honestly. Seeing some of the games on that list are disappointing. I really wanted 7th Dragon to make it over, but I think that had something to do with Sega. The Wizardy DS game would have been nice too.

Why does it mention Catherine at the end of the article? It hasn't even been released in Japan yet.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on November 02, 2010, 01:54:16 PM
Well they did mention that Catherine was still up in the air, but I agree - it's not out in Japan and not even worth mentioning quite yet.

I actually thought there were supposed to be better Tales games than those ones mentioned that never came over. Mind you, there's like a million of them altogether, so he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. :P

As for Growlanser PSP, it was a remake of the supposed 'best' Growlanser.. that might have something to do with it. Unless it was a shitty remake or something. But I guess it was more about the sales than how shitty or not that game was. And Atlus USA only has so many resources at a time. (ie. they were doing Persona, Strange Journey, all that other stuff that they knew would actually sell. :P)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Mickeymac92 on November 02, 2010, 02:28:32 PM
Why was everyone going crazy over this Growlanser PSP game? Is it really that good? I could care less about it, honestly. Seeing some of the games on that list are disappointing. I really wanted 7th Dragon to make it over, but I think that had something to do with Sega. The Wizardy DS game would have been nice too.

Why does it mention Catherine at the end of the article? It hasn't even been released in Japan yet.

I would've bought 7th Dragon, Wizardry, and Growlanser PSP in a heartbeat, not to mention the Tales games and OG Saga EXCEED, which I'm already saving up to import. I liked Growlanser 5 a lot, and if that's the worst, and Growlanser 1 is the best, then it must be pretty damn good!
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yoda on November 02, 2010, 03:02:43 PM
I didn't know there was a new Wizardry. Just looked it up on youtube and it looks rad.

Tis a shame
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: cj_iwakura on November 02, 2010, 11:16:24 PM
Because I love me some Growlanser, and 1 is the best game in the series, reportedly.


Also, Growlanser PSP isn't a remake, it's an updated port with a new character and some other stuff.
(See signature)

Still want very badly. Growlanser 2 is one of my favorite games.


IMO, Atlus USA are reallllly slacking. Name a game that they've localized in the past couple years worth playing that wasn't in house.  

Excluding Demon's Souls, of course.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Eusis on November 03, 2010, 01:37:27 AM
IMO, Atlus USA are reallllly slacking. Name a game that they've localized in the past couple years worth playing that wasn't in house.  

Excluding Demon's Souls, of course.

Just about any Sting game. Then again, they've gotten awfully close.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: cj_iwakura on November 03, 2010, 01:45:19 AM
Yeah, I practically think of Sting as an Atlus second party at this point. Given quality, though.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Mickeymac92 on November 03, 2010, 01:57:57 AM
Yeah, I practically think of Sting as an Atlus second party at this point. Given quality, though.

Me too. But it doesn't bother me. I'm just glad it means a high likeliness that we'll get some good games, since Sting has never disappointed me. Actually, Atlus rarely disappoints me either, and I'm always interested in any game they publish.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: hell_snake on November 03, 2010, 08:05:55 AM
The music in the official website is a remastered version of Philemon's Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0cF57Hdv8U).

Definitely switching to the arranged soundtrack.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Lord Scottish on November 03, 2010, 09:00:56 PM
Out of all the companies in the world, people are hating on ATLUS!?

They gave us Shiren 3 fer crying out loud!
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Fadedsun on November 03, 2010, 09:02:56 PM
Out of all the companies in the world, people are hating on ATLUS!?

They gave us Shiren 3 fer crying out loud!

There aren't many people that will enjoy the Shiren games, unfortunately.

Speaking of Shiren, there a couple of Shiren DS games that are coming out or have come out that Atlus should localize.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: John on November 03, 2010, 09:53:15 PM
IMO, Atlus USA are reallllly slacking. Name a game that they've localized in the past couple years worth playing that wasn't in house.  

Excluding Demon's Souls, of course.

3D Dot Game Heroes?
Trackmania DS?
Xeno Clash?
Hexyz Force?
Super Robot Taisen?
Crimson Gem Saga?

Totally Slacking!
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Mickeymac92 on November 03, 2010, 09:55:46 PM
Out of all the companies in the world, people are hating on ATLUS!?

They gave us Shiren 3 fer crying out loud!

There aren't many people that will enjoy the Shiren games, unfortunately.

Speaking of Shiren, there a couple of Shiren DS games that are coming out or have come out that Atlus should localize.

Isn't the point of Atlus that they publish niche games that few people are gonna like outside of its target audience?

Anyways, Atlus has put out plenty of games I like this gen, including Shiren The Wanderer, and I hope they continue to impress with the remake of Innocent Sin. Speaking of which, thank you hell_snake for pointing out the music on the official website. I may not be as quick to change to the original soundtrack as I thought I might.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dincrest on November 03, 2010, 09:59:10 PM
John- don't forget Kenka Bancho: Badass Rumble

Atlus rules. 
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: jello44 on November 03, 2010, 11:49:56 PM
Man, I've got to get a fucking PSP.  There's been way too much interesting shit coming out on it lately.

And yes, Maya does indeed look like an idiot with those hearts.  It's a good thing she's largely mute in EP, because anyone who would wear something like that would probably annoy the shit out of me with their words too. :P

What DOESN'T annoy the shit out of you?

:D
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: cj_iwakura on November 03, 2010, 11:53:55 PM
IMO, Atlus USA are reallllly slacking. Name a game that they've localized in the past couple years worth playing that wasn't in house.  

Excluding Demon's Souls, of course.

3D Dot Game Heroes?
Trackmania DS?
Xeno Clash?
Hexyz Force?
Super Robot Taisen?
Crimson Gem Saga?

Totally Slacking!

Hexyz is Sting. :P

And I want the sequel to SRT OG Saga Endless Frontier, dang it!


Okay, let me elaborate. As of RECENT. I'm worried about the absolute lack of announcements as of late.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Mickeymac92 on November 04, 2010, 12:14:49 AM
IMO, Atlus USA are reallllly slacking. Name a game that they've localized in the past couple years worth playing that wasn't in house.  

Excluding Demon's Souls, of course.

3D Dot Game Heroes?
Trackmania DS?
Xeno Clash?
Hexyz Force?
Super Robot Taisen?
Crimson Gem Saga?

Totally Slacking!

Hexyz is Sting. :P

And I want the sequel to SRT OG Saga Endless Frontier, dang it!


Okay, let me elaborate. As of RECENT. I'm worried about the absolute lack of announcements as of late.

Hexyz Force was localized by Atlus. As for announcements, well...there's Knights in the Nightmare, Trine 2 (I hear the first Trine was pretty good, it's not my kinda game, though), and Rock of the Ages. Otherwise I find it would be unwise for them to release anything until the Spring when there are fewer block-busters that would surely overshadow them.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on November 04, 2010, 12:36:21 AM
....it's a Sting game, localized by Atlus. :P

It's likely they're working on unannounced stuff, too, you know. Either already localizing, or working on a deal to localize this game or that game.

...........So long as one of them is IS, I'm good.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: cj_iwakura on November 04, 2010, 10:03:38 AM
Once KitN comes out, they have absolutely zero games on the way that aren't downloadable.

And no I'm not counting this Tomy stuff.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: John on November 04, 2010, 10:08:42 AM
Okay, let me elaborate. As of RECENT. I'm worried about the absolute lack of announcements as of late.

There's not a problem here, that's how Atlus seems to work.  It seems like between, oh, November and March, I don't talk to their PR staff at all.  Then the spring rolls around and they start announcing things.  Last Year, Demon's Souls came out in October and their next RPG - Shiren - didn't hit until February.  There tend to be 3-4 month gaps in their release schedule, just due to the fact that they are a localization company.  I have no doubt that sometime over the next two months, they're going to announce a DS or PSP RPG.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Aeolus on November 04, 2010, 04:46:58 PM
Okay, let me elaborate. As of RECENT. I'm worried about the absolute lack of announcements as of late.

There's not a problem here, that's how Atlus seems to work.  It seems like between, oh, November and March, I don't talk to their PR staff at all.  Then the spring rolls around and they start announcing things.  Last Year, Demon's Souls came out in October and their next RPG - Shiren - didn't hit until February.  There tend to be 3-4 month gaps in their release schedule, just due to the fact that they are a localization company.  I have no doubt that sometime over the next two months, they're going to announce a DS or PSP RPG.

Well speak of the devil summoner. (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/04/atlus-usa-announce-the-cursed-crusade/)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Mickeymac92 on November 04, 2010, 05:09:42 PM
Okay, let me elaborate. As of RECENT. I'm worried about the absolute lack of announcements as of late.

There's not a problem here, that's how Atlus seems to work.  It seems like between, oh, November and March, I don't talk to their PR staff at all.  Then the spring rolls around and they start announcing things.  Last Year, Demon's Souls came out in October and their next RPG - Shiren - didn't hit until February.  There tend to be 3-4 month gaps in their release schedule, just due to the fact that they are a localization company.  I have no doubt that sometime over the next two months, they're going to announce a DS or PSP RPG.

Well speak of the devil summoner. (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/04/atlus-usa-announce-the-cursed-crusade/)

It it looks very interesting, too. For a second there I thought you were talking about a localization of Devil Summoner for the PSP, though.:P I really hope we get that someday. I already have Soul Hackers, so then I'd only need the Raidoh games.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: xXMelancholiaXx on November 04, 2010, 05:27:33 PM
Okay, let me elaborate. As of RECENT. I'm worried about the absolute lack of announcements as of late.

There's not a problem here, that's how Atlus seems to work.  It seems like between, oh, November and March, I don't talk to their PR staff at all.  Then the spring rolls around and they start announcing things.  Last Year, Demon's Souls came out in October and their next RPG - Shiren - didn't hit until February.  There tend to be 3-4 month gaps in their release schedule, just due to the fact that they are a localization company.  I have no doubt that sometime over the next two months, they're going to announce a DS or PSP RPG.

Well speak of the devil summoner. (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/04/atlus-usa-announce-the-cursed-crusade/)

It it looks very interesting, too. For a second there I thought you were talking about a localization of Devil Summoner for the PSP, though.:P I really hope we get that someday. I already have Soul Hackers, so then I'd only need the Raidoh games.
You might be better off purchasing Devil Summoner for the Sega Saturn as well if you have Soul Hackers. I hear they had some technical issues which prevented them for localizing it. I don't know if it's completely true or not but that's the reason I remember hearing.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Mickeymac92 on November 04, 2010, 05:31:52 PM
Okay, let me elaborate. As of RECENT. I'm worried about the absolute lack of announcements as of late.

There's not a problem here, that's how Atlus seems to work.  It seems like between, oh, November and March, I don't talk to their PR staff at all.  Then the spring rolls around and they start announcing things.  Last Year, Demon's Souls came out in October and their next RPG - Shiren - didn't hit until February.  There tend to be 3-4 month gaps in their release schedule, just due to the fact that they are a localization company.  I have no doubt that sometime over the next two months, they're going to announce a DS or PSP RPG.

Well speak of the devil summoner. (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/04/atlus-usa-announce-the-cursed-crusade/)

It it looks very interesting, too. For a second there I thought you were talking about a localization of Devil Summoner for the PSP, though.:P I really hope we get that someday. I already have Soul Hackers, so then I'd only need the Raidoh games.
You might be better off purchasing Devil Summoner for the Sega Saturn as well if you have Soul Hackers. I hear they had some technical issues which prevented them for localizing it. I don't know if it's completely true or not but that's the reason I remember hearing.

Heheh, I probably will. I got Soul Hackers for a total of $12, and that doesn't even have a remake. I'd imagine the original would be even cheaper.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Fadedsun on November 04, 2010, 09:33:08 PM
Okay, let me elaborate. As of RECENT. I'm worried about the absolute lack of announcements as of late.

There's not a problem here, that's how Atlus seems to work.  It seems like between, oh, November and March, I don't talk to their PR staff at all.  Then the spring rolls around and they start announcing things.  Last Year, Demon's Souls came out in October and their next RPG - Shiren - didn't hit until February.  There tend to be 3-4 month gaps in their release schedule, just due to the fact that they are a localization company.  I have no doubt that sometime over the next two months, they're going to announce a DS or PSP RPG.

Well speak of the devil summoner. (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/04/atlus-usa-announce-the-cursed-crusade/)

It it looks very interesting, too. For a second there I thought you were talking about a localization of Devil Summoner for the PSP, though.:P I really hope we get that someday. I already have Soul Hackers, so then I'd only need the Raidoh games.
You might be better off purchasing Devil Summoner for the Sega Saturn as well if you have Soul Hackers. I hear they had some technical issues which prevented them for localizing it. I don't know if it's completely true or not but that's the reason I remember hearing.

Heheh, I probably will. I got Soul Hackers for a total of $12, and that doesn't even have a remake. I'd imagine the original would be even cheaper.

The saturn version? I know they made a PSX version as well. You know, I've never played a Sega Saturn before. I want to ebay one just to play some titles I never got to.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dincrest on November 04, 2010, 09:36:43 PM
The original Devil Summoner was on Saturn.  Devil Summoner 2: Soul Hackers was originally for Saturn but was remade for Playstation (kinda like what happened with Grandia.) 
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: xXMelancholiaXx on November 04, 2010, 09:40:53 PM
The original Devil Summoner was on Saturn.  Devil Summoner 2: Soul Hackers was originally for Saturn but was remade for Playstation (kinda like what happened with Grandia.)  
Not to mention the Playstation version of Grandia was technically inferior to the original Saturn version or so I've heard. As far as the Sega Saturn goes it's probably one of my favorite retro gaming consoles. Not only is it import friendly, but there are so many classic JRPGs on it.  
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: cj_iwakura on November 05, 2010, 12:14:03 AM
It was very inferior. Lots of graphical conversion errors. A lot of Saturn classics got converted to the PS1 for the US market because the console sold like crap in the states.

Shame, because I love my Saturn to this dya.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: xXMelancholiaXx on November 05, 2010, 12:27:49 AM
It was very inferior. Lots of graphical conversion errors. A lot of Saturn classics got converted to the PS1 for the US market because the console sold like crap in the states.

Shame, because I love my Saturn to this day.
It's a shame too. Some of the best JRPGs were released for it. Unfortunately you have to import if you want to get the most out of it.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: hell_snake on November 06, 2010, 03:44:33 PM
Andriasang:-

Quote
Meguro also discussed his work on the PSP version of Persona 2 Innocent Sin, which he's directing. His focus on the music production side of things is on Catherine. Atsushi Kitajoh, who previously worked on games like Hospital, is handling sound effect work on Catherine, but is also in charge of the remixed background music in the Innocent Sin remake.

A sample of his previous work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9x3wpGo6ts
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on November 06, 2010, 03:58:20 PM
Andriasang:-

Quote
Meguro also discussed his work on the PSP version of Persona 2 Innocent Sin, which he's directing. His focus on the music production side of things is on Catherine. Atsushi Kitajoh, who previously worked on games like Hospital, is handling sound effect work on Catherine, but is also in charge of the remixed background music in the Innocent Sin remake.

Works for me, the IS soundtrack didn't need changing up anyways except the rearranged stuff.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Alisha on November 10, 2010, 12:28:17 PM
i thought lisa silverman would be cool since Chie is one of my favorite persona chars...but then she started saying aiya all the time....
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: badsanta on November 10, 2010, 03:29:57 PM
i thought lisa silverman would be cool since Chie is one of my favorite persona chars...but then she started saying aiya all the time....

And...that detracts so much from her character because....
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: xXMelancholiaXx on November 10, 2010, 03:38:21 PM
When it comes to battle quotes it's all about Maya's "The whoop ass completed!!!" and Tatsuya's "I need you now..." I always loved those lines. Tatsuya almost sounds like he's whispering to himself in a cryptic fashion.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on November 12, 2010, 08:27:43 AM
Some info:

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/11/12/persona_2_changes/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/11/12/persona_2_changes/)

and a ton of screens:

http://www.andriasang.com/e/galleries/2010/11/12/persona_2_screens/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/galleries/2010/11/12/persona_2_screens/)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: badsanta on November 12, 2010, 08:35:10 AM
Some info:

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/11/12/persona_2_changes/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/11/12/persona_2_changes/)

and a ton of screens:

[url]http://www.andriasang.com/e/galleries/2010/11/12/persona_2_screens/]http://www.andriasang.com/e/galleries/2010/11/12/persona_2_screens/][url]http://www.andriasang.com/e/galleries/2010/11/12/persona_2_screens/ (http://[url=http://www.andriasang.com/e/galleries/2010/11/12/persona_2_screens/)[/url]

The latter link doesn't work for me.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on November 12, 2010, 10:00:38 AM
Fixed. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on November 12, 2010, 01:38:18 PM
Our gallery for the original game for comparison's sake:

http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/persona2/index2.html

I really like how it looks now. I'm excited for Atlus USA to announce this. *coughhintcough*

:)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yoda on November 12, 2010, 02:23:32 PM
all hail the PSP
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Vanguard on November 12, 2010, 05:06:59 PM
I would really love to play this, but I'm not ready to cash in on a PSP.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Eusis on November 12, 2010, 07:08:54 PM
Given the price drops in Europe and the fact there's a Monster Hunter PSP with a new, likely superior analog nub waiting IS best right now.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: ALUCARDfromHELLSING on December 20, 2010, 04:16:00 PM
So original soundtrack will be completely replaced with Shoji's new soundtrack? I adore all his works, but I want original soundtrack in this Persona.
Screens look amazing, thanks.

I bough psp 3k (new GoW bundle) like 3 weeks ago for $190 on eBay. PSPs in locals stores here are overpriced + I didn't want just black psp again (I sold 1k 2-3 years ago).
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on December 20, 2010, 04:20:43 PM
You can choose between the old soundtrack or the new tracks when you play.

The new tracks aren't 100% new either, they're just rearranged/updated versions of the existing stuff.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: ALUCARDfromHELLSING on December 20, 2010, 05:10:03 PM
You can choose between the old soundtrack or the new tracks when you play.

The new tracks aren't 100% new either, they're just rearranged/updated versions of the existing stuff.
Wow That's Great, thnx for the info! Can I do the same in P1 for PSP? Even though I'm getting it next year, I'm still curious.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dincrest on December 20, 2010, 05:11:14 PM
Nope, P1 for PSP only has the one "modern" soundtrack. 
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on December 20, 2010, 05:13:28 PM
Nope, P1 for PSP only has the one "modern" soundtrack. 

And it's great.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: ALUCARDfromHELLSING on December 20, 2010, 05:27:46 PM
Nope, P1 for PSP only has the one "modern" soundtrack. 
Thanks, that's fine with me since I never played original game and never heard original soundtrack. I heard "modern" boss theme, sounds cool.

It's cool that there's such option in P2IS, 'cause I love original soundtrack.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: hell_snake on January 07, 2011, 11:00:35 AM
Delayed to April 14 (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/07/persona_2_delay/).
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Raziel on January 08, 2011, 06:44:17 AM
It's worth mentioning that most of the new updated soundtrack is arranged by Atsushi Kitajoh, as Shoji Meguro is focusing on Catherine.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 08, 2011, 10:47:48 AM
Nope, P1 for PSP only has the one "modern" soundtrack.

And it's great.

To each his own. But I think it sucks in comparison to the original score. Yeah it has some enjoyable tracks here and there, but sooner or later every track becomes annoying. Not to mention that the original soundtrack was more in the tone with the game than the one from the PSP.

I mean, watch the intro of the original game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ujVZj1eiM) and then watch the new one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sR-LFfZAU)... what the hell right? The new one is your generic anime opening thing and it has nothing of the impact of the original opening, the same goes for the soundtracks of both games.

It's worth mentioning that most of the new updated soundtrack is arranged by Atsushi Kitajoh, as Shoji Meguro is focusing on Catherine.

For anyone who doesn't know any previous work of this man, I'll leave this link (http://vgmdb.net/artist/4796) from VGMdb.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Lard on February 17, 2011, 12:20:50 PM
New Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UmUSBjp19E
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on February 17, 2011, 03:47:53 PM
New Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UmUSBjp19E

SE-XY

Although that chained up girl part took the cake.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: ALUCARDfromHELLSING on February 17, 2011, 04:43:54 PM
New trailer is HOT + Lotus Juice is there! AWSM! I already love rearranged soundtrack.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: hell_snake on February 17, 2011, 08:40:25 PM
Can't freaking wait for this game. Who knows, they might add a hidden trailer for Persona 5, a la The Sly Collection.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Der Jermeister on February 17, 2011, 09:20:57 PM
I'm a bit wary of this since I didn't really enjoy Eternal Punishment (had to use a guide to negotiate with enemies for cards and to unveil combo spells).
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Fadedsun on February 18, 2011, 07:41:30 AM
I'm a bit wary of this since I didn't really enjoy Eternal Punishment (had to use a guide to negotiate with enemies for cards and to unveil combo spells).

They're very similar in terms of gameplay. I know they've added a color coded chart to gauge demon emotion so it's easier to negotiate with them now.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on February 18, 2011, 08:17:50 AM
Looks like there will be some cool new sidequests:

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/02/18/persona_2_theater_mode/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/02/18/persona_2_theater_mode/)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Aeolus on February 21, 2011, 03:15:50 PM
And at least three new modes aside from Theater Mode.

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/02/21/it-appears-persona-2-innocent-sin-has-even-more-new-features-than-expected/
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: ALUCARDfromHELLSING on February 26, 2011, 01:17:11 PM
Atlus must announce US version now.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on March 23, 2011, 03:27:57 PM
It even has a friggin' quest creator!

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/03/23/persona_2_quests/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/03/23/persona_2_quests/)

Update:

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/03/24/persona_2_update/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/03/24/persona_2_update/)

    * Your quest creations can be set in Karukozaka High School or St. Hermelin High School.
    * The mode offers a number of background settings within the schools.
    * You can position up to 10 NCPs on each map, setting their precise position and an action that they initiate.
    * You can freely set the items that you receive during events and as rewards for winning battle
    * For events, you can set the location, characters and dialogue. Dialogue can be freely created. You can also use generic characters or characters from the main game.

As mentioned earlier, the magazine does not say if the game will allow you to exchange these quests with other players. Of course, this would make some sense given how powerful the edit tools appear to be.





Holy crap!
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on March 23, 2011, 03:36:56 PM
Wow, that is pretty cool.

I really HOPE that you can exchange quests between other players - as the creator you would already know how to do it.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Alisha on March 23, 2011, 07:19:35 PM
have they changed the method for choosing attacks at all? i hated the queing of attacks and hoping they execute in the right order.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on March 23, 2011, 07:58:28 PM
You could change the order of the attacks yourself - no hoping necessary.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Vaporeon on March 25, 2011, 04:53:14 PM
I'm a bit disappointed they aren't enhancing the graphics at all. I've always really dug the character design and art style overall of Persona 2, but IMO the graphics don't do it justice. The character sprites and pixelated 3D environments just look bland. Oh well, that's my only complaint. Still looking forward to playing this.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 19, 2011, 02:34:14 AM
Guys, it seems that I found my new avatar:

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2afbr5d.png)

Dat Hitler.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: badsanta on April 19, 2011, 08:50:21 AM
Guys, it seems that I found my new avatar:

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2afbr5d.png)

Dat Hitler.

Well now,  I certainly don't remember that from the game...
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on April 19, 2011, 08:51:13 AM
Guys, it seems that I found my new avatar:

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2afbr5d.png)

Dat Hitler.

Get the fuck away, he's mine, bitch.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: cj_iwakura on April 19, 2011, 10:30:58 AM
Guys, it seems that I found my new avatar:

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2afbr5d.png)

Dat Hitler.

Well now,  I certainly don't remember that from the game...


That's not the only change. He's now called 'Fuhrer', and the Last Battalion have iron crosses instead of swastikas on their banners.

Can't say I expected this from Atlus. I smell Index interference.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on April 19, 2011, 10:53:00 AM
*rolls eyes* Stupid changes don't make the least bit of difference. It's still Hitler and they are still Nazi's.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Aeolus on April 20, 2011, 02:14:44 AM
Guys, it seems that I found my new avatar:

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2afbr5d.png)

Dat Hitler.

Well now,  I certainly don't remember that from the game...


That's not the only change. He's now called 'Fuhrer', and the Last Battalion have iron crosses instead of swastikas on their banners.

Can't say I expected this from Atlus. I smell Index interference.

At least we're still getting a shot at this....Right Atlus?
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Cyril on April 20, 2011, 02:19:56 AM
I doubt they would have made those changes if it was not coming west.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 21, 2011, 04:40:34 PM
Abandoned Factory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zymfnoq9tN4)
Battle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_eWqS32_PM)
When the Enemy Is Defeated (Unused Song) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f15ov0_0FbY)
Knights of the Holy Spear (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPLRaKLmF9I)

This is definitely 10 times better than the musical arrangement of the original Persona for the PSP.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on April 21, 2011, 04:44:24 PM
I want this game so badly... It looks so much better than any of the other SMTs I've seen before (not including Nocturne or DDS). Has anyone imported it yet?
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on April 21, 2011, 04:52:31 PM
Abandoned Factory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zymfnoq9tN4)
Battle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_eWqS32_PM)
When the Enemy Is Defeated (Unused Song) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f15ov0_0FbY)
Knights of the Holy Spear (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPLRaKLmF9I)

This is definitely 10 times better than the musical arrangement of the original Persona for the PSP.

Fantastic stuff.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Cyril on April 21, 2011, 05:44:23 PM
That battle theme is obnoxious. 

I liked the factory theme, though.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 21, 2011, 05:55:53 PM
That battle theme is obnoxious.

Obnoxious? Yeah right, because after more than 20 battles of hearing this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfltiuas1iw) is so much better. Granted, is not a bad arrangement at all. But it can become really annoying after a while.

Most of the music in Persona PSP works better in your music player than in the actual game IMO.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on April 21, 2011, 05:59:48 PM
That battle theme is obnoxious.

Obnoxious? Yeah right, because after more than 20 battles of hearing this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfltiuas1iw) is so much better. Granted, is not a bad arrangement at all. But it can become really annoying after a while.

Most of the music in Persona PSP works better in your music player than in the actual game IMO.

/was preparing for Mass Destrution

/hears this

What? Oh. Persona music.

This is the only thing really making me concerned about P2IS. Persona's bad music that is.

So, no one's imported it?
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Cyril on April 21, 2011, 06:08:07 PM
That battle theme is obnoxious.

Obnoxious? Yeah right, because after more than 20 battles of hearing this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfltiuas1iw) is so much better. Granted, is not a bad arrangement at all. But it can become really annoying after a while.

Most of the music in Persona PSP works better in your music player than in the actual game IMO.

I agree, Persona PSP didn't have the best music and it certainly is better out of game, but I find that battle theme less annoying than the new IS theme.  I'd compare it to annoying me on the first listen to it annoying me on the 20th.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 21, 2011, 06:39:49 PM
I see.

I still think that so far, the new arrangements of the IS remake are pretty damn good. And now that the game has the option to change the soundtrack I've been wondering why Atlus didn't put that feature on the remake of Persona?

Falcom did that before with their Ys games for PSP, there was no excuse for Atlus to take that for their remake. But anyway, the damage is done and we are stuck with a great remake that has an annoying soundtrack.

Goddammit. :(
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on April 21, 2011, 06:53:08 PM
I see.

I still think that so far, the new arrangements of the IS remake are pretty damn good. And now that the game has the option to change the soundtrack I've been wondering why Atlus didn't put that feature on the remake of Persona?

Falcom did that before with their Ys games for PSP, there was no excuse for Atlus to take that for their remake. But anyway, the damage is done and we are stuck with a great remake that has an annoying soundtrack.

Goddammit. :(

I'm so glad I can play portable games without sound and not notice that there is silence. Hell, sometimes I put headphones on a silent game just so people think that I don't hear everything they say (I do).

Anyways, back to the point. Since it was the 5th best selling game last week with 60,000 sales, what do you think chances of it coming to America/ Europe/ whatever else exists outside of there are?
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 22, 2011, 04:41:44 PM
Anyways, back to the point. Since it was the 5th best selling game last week with 60,000 sales, what do you think chances of it coming to America/ Europe/ whatever else exists outside of there are?

Atlus Japan censored Hitler with the new "Deal with it" version of him. That's pretty much a confirmation (I'm guessing).

Also, has anyone in the story of mankind getting offended because Hitler is in a video game? I ask because last time I checked nobody cared if you were offended (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg).
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on April 22, 2011, 04:59:45 PM
Anyways, back to the point. Since it was the 5th best selling game last week with 60,000 sales, what do you think chances of it coming to America/ Europe/ whatever else exists outside of there are?

Atlus Japan censored Hitler with the new "Deal with it" version of him. That's pretty much a confirmation (I'm guessing).

Also, has anyone in the story of mankind getting offended because Hitler is in a video game? I ask because last time I checked nobody cared if you were offended (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg).

I would think that Hitler would be a selling point of the game.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: cj_iwakura on April 24, 2011, 11:49:54 AM
That battle theme is obnoxious.

Obnoxious? Yeah right, because after more than 20 battles of hearing this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfltiuas1iw) is so much better. Granted, is not a bad arrangement at all. But it can become really annoying after a while.

Most of the music in Persona PSP works better in your music player than in the actual game IMO.

/was preparing for Mass Destrution

/hears this

What? Oh. Persona music.

This is the only thing really making me concerned about P2IS. Persona's bad music that is.

So, no one's imported it?

Some people at GAF imported it. Not glowing, but not bad. It has some graphic errors(such as not being properly recoded for widescreen), and the remixed OST is sketchy, but the original's there too, so...

Some people complained that there's no longer a mood indicator for the demon contacts on the demon, or icons showing that they're Contracted to you. All you have is the graph in the upper right.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: hell_snake on May 19, 2011, 06:07:23 PM
Got an e-mail containing this:

(http://i.imgur.com/bJPGo.jpg)

First thing that came to mind was P2: IS, so I checked Wikipedia:

(http://i.imgur.com/n0SOP.jpg)

I guess that's close enough. Proper announcement eminent?
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on May 19, 2011, 06:16:12 PM
 Atlus is slapping my balls here.They need to make an announcement and stop messing with us all.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on May 19, 2011, 06:27:03 PM
I love the bit in the e-mail about post-apocalyptic games.

I don't get the hate on Atlus dropping hints pre-announcements. I think it's fun.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on May 19, 2011, 06:28:59 PM
I agree. A hint is better than nothing at all.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Seultoria on May 19, 2011, 06:42:27 PM
Atlus saved me some money, because I was thinking of importing IS.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Mickeymac92 on May 19, 2011, 08:48:40 PM
I kinda have to agree with Cyril, the battle music is obnoxious, though I think it's something I could get used to. It'll definitely take a while, though.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: fates on May 19, 2011, 09:59:45 PM
I kinda figured they were bringing this here. The whole Hitler shades thing kinda gave a hint...

Question is will EP follow up.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Alisha on May 19, 2011, 10:08:56 PM
why are we calling this a remake? looks like a port to me.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Aeolus on May 19, 2011, 10:48:56 PM
This is all very well and good but WHERE THE HELL ARE THE GROWLANSERS DAMMIT!?!
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yggdrasil on May 19, 2011, 11:18:55 PM
This is all very well and good but WHERE THE HELL ARE THE GROWLANSERS DAMMIT!?!

In Japan... in Japanese.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: fates on May 19, 2011, 11:41:17 PM
why are we calling this a remake? looks like a port to me.

Has a couple new features in it. Some quest maker theater thingy.

And Hitler has shades.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on May 19, 2011, 11:44:18 PM
why are we calling this a remake? looks like a port to me.

Has a couple new features in it. Some quest maker theater thingy.

And Hitler has shades.

It has tons and tons of new sidequests as well as some new Personae.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on May 19, 2011, 11:52:43 PM
Because a lot of it DID get reworked. Not just the menus but a lot of the actual visuals too, and a whole bunch of extras that people already mentioned.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on May 19, 2011, 11:53:17 PM
Because a lot of it DID get reworked. Not just the menus but a lot of the actual visuals too, and a whole bunch of extras that people already mentioned.

And a whole new soundtrack.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Bytor on May 20, 2011, 12:07:39 AM
I just wanna know when, where and how much I gotta pay.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Alisha on May 20, 2011, 12:15:14 AM
well the visuals look the same to me and i couldnt stand combat in the original. i think i stopped playing sometime after the boss in the clock tower.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on May 20, 2011, 12:21:16 AM
Only a little of it looks the same to me. Battles are more like EP now. Don't like how it looks, don't buy it.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Alisha on May 20, 2011, 12:25:00 AM
well i hated the que'ed attacks in the psx personas.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on May 20, 2011, 12:25:54 AM
Then don't buy the PSP remake. No one's forcing you.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Alisha on May 20, 2011, 12:53:12 AM
_
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Fadedsun on May 20, 2011, 08:28:09 AM
You seem to be talking about EP, this is Innocent Sin, which is a game the US never got. Yeah, if you don't like it, don't buy it. No reason to come in here to complain about it.

There's enough new material in this version of the game to justify calling it a remake,I think. I'm super excited that I get to finally play this. Hopefully it comes out over the Summer.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on May 24, 2011, 05:55:14 AM
Any Atlus Faithful checked their inbox? ;)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: insertnamehere on May 24, 2011, 05:59:31 AM
yerp
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/05/24/persona-2-will-commit-an-innocent-sin-this-fall/
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: hell_snake on May 24, 2011, 08:03:27 AM
Hell yeah!!
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Bytor on May 24, 2011, 09:01:36 AM
My day just got a lot better!!!!! Nothing like getting great news in the old inbox first thing upon awakening! Here's the new opening trailer Atlus attached to e-mail.


New Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D07mro7NOkA)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on May 24, 2011, 09:12:51 AM
My day just got a lot better!!!!! Nothing like getting great news in the old inbox first thing upon awakening!

You have no idea how amazing this is for me. Now all I need is for P2EP to be announced for PSP as well as P4 and my day will be complete.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Lard on May 24, 2011, 09:59:35 AM
I'm thinking we might get P2 EP if sales are good for Innocent Sin. I don't think we're getting P4.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: hell_snake on May 24, 2011, 10:22:21 AM
I'm thinking we might get P2 EP if sales are good for Innocent Sin. I don't think we're getting P4.

They're saving P4 for the NGP.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: badsanta on May 24, 2011, 10:33:27 AM
I'm thinking we might get P2 EP if sales are good for Innocent Sin.

You know, if Atlus USA wanted to, they could rerelease P2:EP on the PSN, as it was actually localized. No idea if they will, (they probably won't,) but they could; if they released it soon enough after the IS remake, that would be quite nice. (But again, probably won't happen.)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Fadedsun on May 24, 2011, 11:17:37 AM
It was already known at this point, but it's nice to get the confirmation now. I know what I'm going to be playing this Fall! I hope there's a nice bonus for pre-orders.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: kyuusei on May 24, 2011, 01:19:47 PM
Indeed it is.

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2011/1621.html

You know, I'm sure we'll get Eternal Punishment in due time. Til then, I'll just play my PSone copy.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on May 24, 2011, 03:22:31 PM
I'm thinking we might get P2 EP if sales are good for Innocent Sin. I don't think we're getting P4.

They're saving P4 for the NGP.

First day NGP purchase if P4 arrives on it with enhanced graphics.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Akanbe- on May 24, 2011, 07:22:18 PM
Loved the gameplay, atmosphere, music, etc.  Played it half way through once before until I got stuck, but certainly willingly to support Atlus with an official copy and try the game again.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Lard on May 25, 2011, 01:12:32 PM

You know, if Atlus USA wanted to, they could rerelease P2:EP on the PSN, as it was actually localized. No idea if they will, (they probably won't,) but they could; if they released it soon enough after the IS remake, that would be quite nice. (But again, probably won't happen.)

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they did this for the release.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 28, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
http://www.atlus.com/persona2/

Pre-order bonus (http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=29654282&postcount=1)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Bytor on July 28, 2011, 01:54:38 PM
Manager at my local Gamestop and I were just talking about this yesterday, but he said no pre-order bonus had been announced yet although the pre-order info was in their system...guess I gotta go back to store and drop some money for it today. I will have this the day it comes out!
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on July 28, 2011, 03:58:21 PM
I'm thinking we might get P2 EP if sales are good for Innocent Sin. I don't think we're getting P4.

They're saving P4 for the NGP.

First day NGP purchase if P4 arrives on it with enhanced graphics.

P3&4 look very nice in HD, would be cool if they saved P4 for the Vita and released it a higher reolution.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Iron Maw on July 28, 2011, 08:41:38 PM
http://www.atlus.com/persona2/

Pre-order bonus (http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=29654282&postcount=1)

Translation looks good overall, though stuff is kinda eh. Can't pick up in September as this more my alley than Catherine.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yoda on July 28, 2011, 08:44:21 PM
I'm on board.

Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dincrest on July 29, 2011, 03:46:35 AM
EP was localized, but it was localized in a way to make sense with the botched up translation of Revelations: Persona.  P1 PSP was the true localization, so in a sense, the series is getting a much needed reboot.  Plus, the carryover data transfer from IS was dummied out in the US EP release.  So EP would need to be remade too with a refreshed localization and carryover data capabilities. 
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on July 29, 2011, 03:49:00 AM
EP was localized, but it was localized in a way to make sense with the botched up translation of Revelations: Persona.  P1 PSP was the true localization, so in a sense, the series is getting a much needed reboot.  Plus, the carryover data transfer from IS was dummied out in the US EP release.  So EP would need to be remade too with a refreshed localization and carryover data capabilities. 

I'll be on board if they do that. From the review of your's on Innocent Sin, it sounds like playing both really makes a great storytelling experience. But first I need to beat Persona...
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Aeolus on July 31, 2011, 11:08:48 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/07/31/persona-2-innocent-sin-receives-a-colourful-esrb-summary/

Welp. The ESRB found nothing out of the usual.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on July 31, 2011, 11:10:47 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/07/31/persona-2-innocent-sin-receives-a-colourful-esrb-summary/

Welp. The ESRB found nothing out of the usual.

There's a spoiler in there. Just so you guys know. It got rated Teen, same as EP.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Lard on July 31, 2011, 11:54:11 PM
Slightly amazed at that.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dincrest on August 01, 2011, 12:06:43 AM
Yeah, that is a pretty big spoiler.  When I played the game in Japanese, that scene made my jaw drop.  I love how they used that example and not that the first boss of the game is your high school principal. 
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: xXMelancholiaXx on August 01, 2011, 12:37:41 AM
That's funny why did they changed Eikichi's nickname from Michelle to Michel...
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dincrest on August 01, 2011, 05:40:29 AM
Because it *is* Michel.  It's French for Michael pronounced Me-shell.  Eikichi always called himself Michel. 
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: cj_iwakura on August 01, 2011, 10:13:25 AM
Very glad they went with Michel. I thought the fan translation's 'Michelle' was silly.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Dincrest on August 01, 2011, 10:26:56 AM
When I read it in Japanese, I always read it as Michel.  Oracle of Maiya/Yoridori's fan translation was Michel too and that was the first (and best) IS script I read. 

Whoever made it Michelle is a moron.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Bytor on August 01, 2011, 11:57:55 AM
Just put the $$ down on my pre-order copy. Let the countdown begin!
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 01, 2011, 12:39:46 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/07/31/persona-2-innocent-sin-receives-a-colourful-esrb-summary/

Welp. The ESRB found nothing out of the usual.

There's a spoiler in there. Just so you guys know. It got rated Teen, same as EP.

Welp, I've read quite a few spoilers of Innocent Sin in the last few years. The tracklist of the soundtrack has one that I wish I didn't read though...
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: xXMelancholiaXx on August 02, 2011, 03:50:42 AM
When I read it in Japanese, I always read it as Michel.  Oracle of Maiya/Yoridori's fan translation was Michel too and that was the first (and best) IS script I read. 

Whoever made it Michelle is a moron.
I don't know about all that but in the version I played he was called Michelle. I was just curious.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on September 02, 2011, 06:41:22 PM
New trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7XPD-5rRqs&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7XPD-5rRqs&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yoda on September 02, 2011, 06:44:23 PM
I pre-ordered this.

Looks very slick and fun.

I just hope the encounter rate is humane
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on September 02, 2011, 07:16:04 PM

I just hope the encounter rate is humane

It's demonic!
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yoda on September 02, 2011, 07:23:03 PM

I just hope the encounter rate is humane

It's demonic!

There's a demo out for this?
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Akanbe- on September 02, 2011, 07:23:14 PM
I pre-ordered this.

Looks very slick and fun.

I just hope the encounter rate is humane

It's worse than Digital Devil Saga.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on September 02, 2011, 07:27:43 PM

I just hope the encounter rate is humane

It's demonic!

There's a demo out for this?

I don't get it.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yoda on September 02, 2011, 07:29:18 PM

I just hope the encounter rate is humane

It's demonic!

There's a demo out for this?

I don't get it.

My demon/demo typo in that other thread.


Carrying on.

I'll man up and endure this encounter rate no matter what !
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Akanbe- on September 02, 2011, 07:29:58 PM

I just hope the encounter rate is humane

It's demonic!

There's a demo out for this?

I don't get it.

My demon/demo typo in that other thread.


Carrying on.

I'll man up and endure this encounter rate no matter what !

Then you have to do it for Digital Devil Saga too!
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: CDFN on September 03, 2011, 06:50:49 PM

I just hope the encounter rate is humane

It's demonic!

There's a demo out for this?

I don't get it.

My demon/demo typo in that other thread.


Carrying on.

I'll man up and endure this encounter rate no matter what !

It was a joke... Why do you think I used the word demonic? Please tell me you were drunk.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Iron Maw on September 03, 2011, 09:56:44 PM
I pre-ordered this.

Looks very slick and fun.

I just hope the encounter rate is humane

It's worse than Digital Devil Saga.

Ugh, I'm not so sure if want this now. I have a very low tolerance random encounters nowadays especially high ones.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Eusis on September 03, 2011, 10:47:32 PM
The MegaTen games ARE generally good about allowing you to control the encounter rate. Nevertheless, the post-PS2 MegaTens >>> Pre-PS2 MegaTens on average, and it's showing with how critics thus far are receiving the game.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Lard on September 04, 2011, 12:27:24 AM
The MegaTen games ARE generally good about allowing you to control the encounter rate. Nevertheless, the post-PS2 MegaTens >>> Pre-PS2 MegaTens on average, and it's showing with how critics thus far are receiving the game.

You mean in terms of reception or encounter rate?

It's mind-boggling that P2 Eternal Punishment could get 8s and 9s when it came out for PS1, and this is getting 5s and 6s, and while it's not the same game, it's nearly identical in style. Even Nocturne got great reviews when it came out....and suddenly people are complaining about the encounter rate for this? I guess people really want their hand held nowadays.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Eusis on September 04, 2011, 02:04:31 AM
You mean in terms of reception or encounter rate?

Reception. Honestly, the games were a bit of a pain to get into and not even in a way that really made them deep or anything, just a bit grindy (making a new Persona with one skill sucks, especially if you go into a dungeon and discover you're in over your head yet can't back out), the newer titles polish the gameplay while not doing some Fable-esque dumbing down as they still have a bite to them. Nocturne was way, WAY better than anything the PS1 saw.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Lard on September 04, 2011, 02:13:36 AM
I liked Eternal Punishment. :/
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Eusis on September 04, 2011, 02:15:37 AM
I liked the story and whatnot, I just hated how personas were handled. I was younger though, and maybe I'll have a smoother time with Innocent Sin.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on September 04, 2011, 09:16:41 AM
I loved Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment and I don't feel the same way at all. X.X I think those games are great, and yeah the encounter rate is high, but nothing else really bothered me in them.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Jonathan Ingram on September 04, 2011, 10:43:17 AM
I liked P2:IS, P2:EP and Soul Hackers more than any of the PS2 Megatens. Not that the latter are bad games in any way, mind you. But they do feel dumbed down in comparison, Personas especially.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Iron Maw on September 04, 2011, 01:07:15 PM
The MegaTen games ARE generally good about allowing you to control the encounter rate. Nevertheless, the post-PS2 MegaTens >>> Pre-PS2 MegaTens on average, and it's showing with how critics thus far are receiving the game.

You mean in terms of reception or encounter rate?

It's mind-boggling that P2 Eternal Punishment could get 8s and 9s when it came out for PS1, and this is getting 5s and 6s, and while it's not the same game, it's nearly identical in style. Even Nocturne got great reviews when it came out....and suddenly people are complaining about the encounter rate for this? I guess people really want their hand held nowadays.

To be fair RPGs and game industry in general has changed since then. People now are much less likely excuse pitfalls and clunky gameplay of yesteryear like that, especially when a Remake should smooth this stuff out. One of the reasons P3 and 4 were so well receive is because a lot of these issues were streamlined or fixed.

Anyway, if there's way to lower encounters to more manageable levels, it won't much of a problem then.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Lard on September 04, 2011, 11:26:31 PM
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To be fair RPGs and game industry in general has changed since then. People now are much less likely excuse pitfalls and clunky gameplay of yesteryear like that, especially when a Remake should smooth this stuff out. One of the reasons P3 and 4 were so well receive is because a lot of these issues were streamlined or fixed.

Anyway, if there's way to lower encounters to more manageable levels, it won't much of a problem then.


Gamespot gave it a 50% rating. To me, a 50% rating is a game that is sloppily put together, has alot of glitches, maybe has second rate voice actors, probably a movie tie in game. Generally stuff done to generate a quick buck. Yes game reviews are subjective, blablabla, but Innocent Sin did not warrant a 50% rating simply because the reviewer didn't like the encounter rate.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Eusis on September 04, 2011, 11:33:36 PM
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To be fair RPGs and game industry in general has changed since then. People now are much less likely excuse pitfalls and clunky gameplay of yesteryear like that, especially when a Remake should smooth this stuff out. One of the reasons P3 and 4 were so well receive is because a lot of these issues were streamlined or fixed.

Anyway, if there's way to lower encounters to more manageable levels, it won't much of a problem then.


Gamespot gave it a 50% rating. To me, a 50% rating is a game that is sloppily put together, has alot of glitches, maybe has second rate voice actors, probably a movie tie in game. Generally stuff done to generate a quick buck. Yes game reviews are subjective, blablabla, but Innocent Sin did not warrant a 50% rating simply because the reviewer didn't like the encounter rate.

While I shouldn't egg on the score pedantry, GameSpot DOES have a page describing their scores (http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html?tag=scoresummary%253Breview-guidelines). I haven't read the review fully, but those cons DO go beyond "high encounter rate", though a lot of that is down to personal taste too.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: MeshGearFox on September 05, 2011, 12:12:47 AM
I didn't really like either of the Persona 2 games that much, but... 50%? Seriously?

(I did like Persona 1 tho lolololol don't ask me to explain thangs brozzer)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: evilkaz on September 05, 2011, 12:16:10 AM
eh i dont care what any reviewer thinks that isn't a hardcore RPG fan. If you love RPG's then review RPG's if you love shooters then review shooters. If you dont have a deep appreciation for the genre then i dont trust your review. I know P2 will have its flaws, after all it's a port of a PS1 game. I'm still getting it though.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Eusis on September 05, 2011, 12:23:43 AM
eh i dont care what any reviewer thinks that isn't a hardcore RPG fan. If you love RPG's then review RPG's if you love shooters then review shooters. If you dont have a deep appreciation for the genre then i dont trust your review. I know P2 will have its flaws, after all it's a port of a PS1 game. I'm still getting it though.

Ugh, that line. Look, it's valuable to get a wide range opinions, not just from an increasingly insular group. Maybe you'll want your RPG lover to review a shooter because it's more inclined to people predisposed to RPGs, like Bioshock, or it's waffling the line like Deus Ex. Or maybe it's just a really great, accessible game to anyone. Similarly this review has the merit of telling people that can't stomach older games and/or is more of a modern Persona fan that this game isn't for them. 5.0 is pretty harsh, but people who haven't played EP before may well find themselves agreeing with that score in the end, or at least go for one SLIGHTLY higher.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: MeshGearFox on September 05, 2011, 12:39:42 AM
Oh man I hope PopMatters reviews IS. Their reviews of Atlus games are generally idiotic. Like, complaining about a lack of tutorials for Knights in the Nightmare (It had like, 50, right?) or trying to turn the demon conversations from Devil Summoner 2 into some metaphor for... idk some fruity bullshit.

Also here is their Portal 2 review summary:

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While GLaDOS may have taken on the role of the passive-aggressive mother especially during the closing moments of Portal, the nature of the antagonism present in feminine interpersonal conflict is heightened here in some more traditionally cruel ways.

Also their oath of felgana review has the phrase "Sexual Politics" in it. It's fucking Ys. You're thinking about it too hard.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: evilkaz on September 05, 2011, 01:11:08 AM
eh i dont care what any reviewer thinks that isn't a hardcore RPG fan. If you love RPG's then review RPG's if you love shooters then review shooters. If you dont have a deep appreciation for the genre then i dont trust your review. I know P2 will have its flaws, after all it's a port of a PS1 game. I'm still getting it though.
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Ugh, that line. Look, it's valuable to get a wide range opinions, not just from an increasingly insular group. Maybe you'll want your RPG lover to review a shooter because it's more inclined to people predisposed to RPGs, like Bioshock, or it's waffling the line like Deus Ex. Or maybe it's just a really great, accessible game to anyone. Similarly this review has the merit of telling people that can't stomach older games and/or is more of a modern Persona fan that this game isn't for them. 5.0 is pretty harsh, but people who haven't played EP before may well find themselves agreeing with that score in the end, or at least go for one SLIGHTLY higher.

...wow, I wasn't expecting that intelligent of a response you sir have earned some respect points. I will admit that i was a little wrong in my opinion that RPG games should be reviewed by RPG lovers. I was so mad at the review because the original PS1 game(or at least one of they're editors) gave it a 9.2 but the "port" to the PSP lost points for dated mechanics and dated visual design. It's a P-O-R-T, all the added was some upgraded character portraits, some new missions and better sound. Did chrono trigger loose points for outdated graphics? Or FFT war of the lions loose some for dated mechanics?
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Yoda on September 05, 2011, 01:18:00 AM
Well it's not going to going to get the same score because games are rated relative to what makes games "fun" in this era. Like it or lump it, repetitive battles and random encounters don't add up. Certain things don't age well, etc.

As for CT and FT:WotL: Those are bad examples.

Chrono is beloved partly because of it's charming style and spritework.

And Tactics is a prime example of an excellent turn based srpg

It's just the reviewers POV that P2 is just dated, so what?
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Eusis on September 05, 2011, 02:02:28 AM
...wow, I wasn't expecting that intelligent of a response you sir have earned some respect points. I will admit that i was a little wrong in my opinion that RPG games should be reviewed by RPG lovers. I was so mad at the review because the original PS1 game(or at least one of they're editors) gave it a 9.2 but the "port" to the PSP lost points for dated mechanics and dated visual design. It's a P-O-R-T, all the added was some upgraded character portraits, some new missions and better sound. Did chrono trigger loose points for outdated graphics? Or FFT war of the lions loose some for dated mechanics?

Damn, I forgot about that import review. Well, I'll blame the complete change of staff for that, I imagine it'd be docked down to 8 or 7 if the same crew were around and the same person (was this a Greg Kasavin review? Alex Navarro?) reviewed the PSP version.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: MeshGearFox on September 05, 2011, 02:22:54 AM
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I'll blame the complete change of staff for that

Man, RPGFan and their wacky mass 'staff changes' and by staff changes I totally mean 'firings' and by 'firings' i mean 'firing squads.'

I hear that Dincrest goes to bed on top of a massive pile of skulls every night.

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Okay, so the RPGfan staffers keep murdering GameStop staffers and not eachother, whatever. The important thing is that we get their oil.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Eusis on September 05, 2011, 02:25:48 AM
No no, I meant GameSpot. See, they have a review (http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/persona2innocentsin/review.html?tag=summary%3Bread-review)... though I thought it was from someone whose name I recognized, not this Peter Bartholow.

Edit: Guess he became a Game Designer (http://www.giantbomb.com/peter-bartholow/72-89539/). Also had a tepid reception to Legend of Dragoon for anyone that cared. (http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/legendofdragoon/review.html)
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Akanbe- on September 05, 2011, 11:26:30 AM
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I'll blame the complete change of staff for that

Okay, so the RPGfan staffers keep murdering GameStop staffers and not eachother, whatever. The important thing is that we get their oil.

Pretty much why Dice keeps a low profile these days.  She's on to their scheme.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Zendervai on September 05, 2011, 11:58:17 AM
Well, at least Gamespot is consistent. The Persona 1 remake got the exact same score. Odd though, since there were improvements to the gameplay mechanics for Persona 2.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: MeshGearFox on September 05, 2011, 04:32:17 PM
My favorite gameplay improvement in P2 was physical attacks being totally useless, that was great.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on September 05, 2011, 04:36:37 PM
Well, thats true of them all after 1, really.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 05, 2011, 04:57:04 PM
Well, thats true of them all after 1, really.

I actually used the rush command a lot in P3/4
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on September 05, 2011, 04:58:52 PM
I've had so many bad experiences with the rush command I hardly ever used it. x.x Especially when I hit it by accident.
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 05, 2011, 05:00:24 PM
How do you hit it by accident?
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Starmongoose on September 05, 2011, 05:02:03 PM
Well, it's just the triangle button. My thumb soemtimes misses the mark :P
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 05, 2011, 05:17:30 PM
My fingers always hit their "marks" :P
Title: Re: Persona 2 IS Remake
Post by: MeshGearFox on September 05, 2011, 07:33:21 PM
Well, thats true of them all after 1, really.

Actually attacking does non-trivial damage in 3 though.

It's really annoying in EP because John Lennon puts all of his skill point in Str.

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I mean Young John Lennon aka Katsuya, not Baofu who is more like Abbey Road era John Lennon.