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Title: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Danku on November 30, 2010, 08:39:15 PM
I'm tempted, but not sure. Are some of you planning on playing it? Anyone participate in the Beta? What are your thoughts of the current and future state of the game?
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Logick on November 30, 2010, 09:19:12 PM
Bought the expansion from blizz, downloaded it, and waiting for the 7th here.

And yes I was in the beta.  Guild achievements rock, all the starting quests have been revamped to be way more fun although worgen starting > goblin starting > DK starting >>>> BC races starting >>>>>>>> the rest.   Dungeons have gone back to be CC- centric.  Raids are now shorter (instead of one ten boss raid per tier they're aiming for 2 five boss raids) and no difference between 10 and 25 man.  Guild achievements make it worth it to do these as a guild as opposed to pugging it.  Questing is the same 80-85 takes just as long as 70-80.  And lots more "dramatic" (ala wrath gate) story telling.  

I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Akanbe- on November 30, 2010, 10:03:15 PM
The future is looking quite bright as long as you aren't an "omg the casualz has my lewtz!" type of player.

Like Logic said:

-Revamped Azeroth.  New quests.  New areas.  New feel.  Flying in Azeroth is allowed.
-Revamped leveling system making abilities level up as you level up.  No longer have bloated talent trees.  Have access to more important moves early on (Mutilate, Mortal Strike, Mind Flay, etc).
-Dungeons less face-roll.  Actually will have to use CC
-Classes should emphasize good/bad players more than before.  We'll see if that works out like they say it will.
-No more neutral cities.  Finally - even though I loved Shattrath.

A lot of this is in place now since the patch before the expansion hit.  I'm sure I'm missing things.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Danku on November 30, 2010, 11:19:04 PM
I'm still on the fence about returning. If I do, I'd probably just start a new character so I don't get burned out by old content. The changes sound interesting though, I was never a hardcore player, so I welcome the revamped quests and getting rid of spell ranks and weapon levels and what not.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Akanbe- on December 01, 2010, 01:23:47 PM
I love how Garrosh is right by the auction house in Orgrimmar.  Finally the alliance don't have a goddamn backdoor to every horde leader there is.  And holy crap the new Orgrimmar is amazing.  Stormwind looks much nicer as well.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Daggerstrike on December 01, 2010, 10:31:48 PM
I will play as soon as it hits. Already have it downloaded, just waiting. I have recently convinced my gf to give the game a shot, so hopefully it sticks.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Eusis on December 01, 2010, 11:48:45 PM
Thanks to Amazon's deal that effectively makes the game free (sold for $4.99 with $5 credit, technically a net profit of a penny) I'm giving it a spin again. I'll probably cancel after the first month, I was mostly interested in seeing how they changed the one area of the game I was familiar with, the human starting area.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: D-Rider on December 02, 2010, 02:49:18 PM
If I play again (and that is a HUGE if), I'm gonna play Alliance.  5+ years of the Horde has left me wanting a new experience.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Danku on December 02, 2010, 03:30:31 PM
If I play again, I'm going to make a warlock. I've always liked the lore behind Warlocks in general, but I always found myself healing in WoW so I never made one.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Logick on December 02, 2010, 03:50:17 PM
Well if anyone wants to join us(alliance side), PM me and you can join our guild.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Akanbe- on December 02, 2010, 06:07:50 PM
Thanks to Amazon's deal that effectively makes the game free (sold for $4.99 with $5 credit, technically a net profit of a penny) I'm giving it a spin again. I'll probably cancel after the first month, I was mostly interested in seeing how they changed the one area of the game I was familiar with, the human starting area.

It's different.  Northshire Abbey has changed a bit.  Elwynn Forest hasn't changed much physically.  Both have a lot of new quests.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Annubis on December 02, 2010, 07:07:42 PM
I'll be there.
Lothar horde.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Dade on December 02, 2010, 08:25:08 PM
Fuck yeah I'm playing it. I was talking to some guys in a random 5 man heroic last night about their experience in the Beta and they said they cannot wait. A lot of their excitement was over the game requiring neurons to play now. Dont get me wrong, it's pretty easy to go from "six to midnight" while AOE Tanking like 30 mobs, but it's getting old. I want more danger, more "OH SHIT" moments.

From a tank standpoint, I'm most excited that DPS is going to have to learn to play and manage themselves; if they're fuckwads on autopilot and they rip aggro or dont pay attention they're going to have to deal with the consequences.

From the Lore and World standpoint, I'm stoked to play a Worgen and I'm already in love with how the world looks. I was pretty impressed with the most recent patch that actually shattered the world mainly with of course the aesthetics, but also the reevaluation of level requirements on Zones. Leveling 4 toons to 80 and 5 past 70, I'm kinda tired of the Plaguelands at 50+. Now? Well, Dan...this map may make you feel better about different perspective or content: http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/november/levelflow.jpg

At any rate, yeah cant wait for the 7th.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Danku on December 02, 2010, 09:27:11 PM
So what is exactly active right now? I was thinking of playing again, but do I need cataclysm to play the new world stuff and quests and blah blah.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: D-Rider on December 02, 2010, 10:19:49 PM
The leveling has always been my favorite part of WoW, anyway.  Anything that shakes that shit up even a little will be a plus in my book...and that's definitely more than a little shake.

God damn it, I'm gonna have to buy this, aren't I? :P

Totally rolling Alliance though, nothing's gonna shake me from that, all my level 80 hordelings be damned.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Danku on December 03, 2010, 04:22:04 AM
Anyone willing to use a Scroll of Resurrection on me? I feel like trying out WoW again, but I rather be safe than sorry and see how I feel when I'm on it. I probably will pay for a month and you get a free month in the process though. Worst case scenario, you don't get a free month and you lose nothing =D.

If anyone is interested, let me know. I don't have any plans for the weekend, so I want to try and play a bit and gauge how I feel.
Thank you!
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Annubis on December 03, 2010, 07:52:33 AM
I can do that if you want one.
I'll need your email associated with your old account and your name.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Andrew on December 03, 2010, 07:59:32 AM
I can do that too. :)
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Annubis on December 03, 2010, 08:24:10 AM
*Incoming pack of seagulls addicted to WoW*
=P

EDIT: if you don't get this, go rent "Finding Nemo" RIGHT AWAY!
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Dade on December 03, 2010, 01:39:18 PM
The leveling has always been my favorite part of WoW, anyway.  Anything that shakes that shit up even a little will be a plus in my book...and that's definitely more than a little shake.

God damn it, I'm gonna have to buy this, aren't I? :P

Totally rolling Alliance though, nothing's gonna shake me from that, all my level 80 hordelings be damned.

Goddamn right you're going to buy this, but seriously, level some alliance, but fucking level your 80s! Come ON....You wanna come with me under the sea and kill some Nagas with a drive by? You wanna come save some big ass tree on a big fucking mountain?

Also, ret is kinda weird but RAD now.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Danku on December 03, 2010, 09:30:18 PM
Thanks guys! I'll be starting my Warlock when I get home tonight.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: D-Rider on December 03, 2010, 10:29:50 PM
Also, ret is kinda weird but RAD now.

No shit, when I read this, I went straight to Wowhead to see how paladins had changed since I last played.  I don't even recognize my favorite class anymore. :P
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Akanbe- on December 03, 2010, 10:53:28 PM
Also, ret is kinda weird but RAD now.

No shit, when I read this, I went straight to Wowhead to see how paladins had changed since I last played.  I don't even recognize my favorite class anymore. :P

The nicest thing I've heard about Paladins is that it's much easier to distinguish a good paladin from a bad paladin while playing.  They definitely got a big overhaul.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Andrew on December 03, 2010, 11:46:39 PM
Maybe. But they still bubble and run. :P
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Danku on December 06, 2010, 06:27:07 AM
I am disappointed in WoW. I truly want to like the game every time I play, but it seems like the developers honestly don't give a crap about the player base. I'm no elitist and don't really know much about the game mechanics to complain about that aspect of the game. What I want to complain about is the lack of customization and content in the game.

This game has been out what, 6 years? Why has there been no sort of visual improvement to the original races yet? Why is there still no form of housing in the game? Why can't you name warlock pets? Why can't you change the color or at least choose the model of pets? Why are most mounts and armors simple re-colorings of old armors and mounts? Why is there such limited music in the game? No dyes? No new hairstyles? There are a million other things I can complain about..but I can't remember them all right now!

I know a lot of these things may not seem important, but this isn't a Free to play game, or a Pay to play with 300k subscribers. This is WoW, a game that easily makes over what, 1 billion dollars a year? I've had fun times with WoW and I only regret some of it, but I really don't see where my 200$-300$ dollars went. (Faction changes were like 90$ of this lol)

The way I see it, I'm just going to try my luck in the plethora of Free to Play MMO rpgs. I heard Runes of Magic is pretty solid, if not a little cash shop dependent.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Andrew on December 06, 2010, 08:08:45 AM
Just thought I'd break some of this down to show the other perspective...

Why has there been no sort of visual improvement to the original races yet?

This one, I don't know. I'd assume it's a low priority thing. I know some of the developers have expressed interest in doing it in the future.

Why is there still no form of housing in the game?

Too impractical. Where would you git everyone's house? Or even just houses for guilds?

Why can't you name warlock pets?


This is intentional. The concept is you are just summoning and forming a contract with an already living, intelligent being. It has it's own name.

Why can't you change the color or at least choose the model of pets?

You can tame the colour you want. There are generally 2-3 per pet available.

Why are most mounts and armors simple re-colorings of old armors and mounts?

This is a fair complaint. But has gotten a LOT better with Cata and the most recent patch.

Why is there such limited music in the game?


Can't comment. I turn my down to hear in voice chat or play my own music. But I hear this is also better with Cata.

No dyes? No new hairstyles?

There are new hairstyles. But they can only be accessed from the barbershop. There is no real need for dyes. There are enough available colours.

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But I do understand where you're coming from.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Danku on December 06, 2010, 09:04:29 AM
For having 2 80's I'm still kind of noobish, didn't even know there was a barber shop. After just browsing F2P games and their forums, none of them actually stand out in any way. It's annoying that WoW is the most stable and popular game in the market when it lacks so many features that other games do well. It does have it's moments, but I just wish after so many years and 3 expansions, they would get around to adding more features that spruce things up a bit. It's all just becoming so dull.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Hathen on December 06, 2010, 09:34:26 AM
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Too impractical. Where would you git everyone's house? Or even just houses for guilds?

It's pretty funny that UO is still more advanced than the majority of other MMOs out there in certain aspects, like this one. I think with graphics taking more center stage than ever it's getting really impractical to actually have a physical house for everyone. I really want another MMO to try the UO model again though, but I know it probably won't happen.

But as far as WoW goes, I guess they could have an instanced house for each person like in games as FFXI. The big problem I have with it though, is that if you do that, it becomes unused because it's a huge hassle to get anyone to come to your house (There could be mechanics from needing to party with them to needing to specifically send invites to them, etc), which defeats the whole point.

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Why is there such limited music in the game?

IIRC, WoW actually has a pretty large soundtrack. To be honest though, I've never really noticed many of the songs while playing myself. A lot of times the music is overtaken by the sounds of combat, because the music is more about the ambiance. The only song that really sticks out to me is the Lament of the Highborne variations.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Daggerstrike on December 06, 2010, 09:41:11 AM
The leveling has always been my favorite part of WoW, anyway.  Anything that shakes that shit up even a little will be a plus in my book...and that's definitely more than a little shake.

God damn it, I'm gonna have to buy this, aren't I? :P

Totally rolling Alliance though, nothing's gonna shake me from that, all my level 80 hordelings be damned.

Let me know where you are leveling Alliance and I will join you, I am interested in giving them a shot again.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: D-Rider on December 06, 2010, 10:05:04 AM
The leveling has always been my favorite part of WoW, anyway.  Anything that shakes that shit up even a little will be a plus in my book...and that's definitely more than a little shake.

God damn it, I'm gonna have to buy this, aren't I? :P

Totally rolling Alliance though, nothing's gonna shake me from that, all my level 80 hordelings be damned.

Let me know where you are leveling Alliance and I will join you, I am interested in giving them a shot again.

I'll find us a good home. :P
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Raze on December 06, 2010, 11:07:51 AM
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No dyes? No new hairstyles?

Putting aside that there are new hairstyles the thing with wow, that I think is one of it's more noteworthy flaws since it hurts immersion, is that it's designed to be played with the camera far out. I normally play a feral druid. One day I decided that I'd mix things up and raid as balance. About a hour into the raid 'Oh hey, Khatar's playing a Boomkin'. If people aren't noticing that I suddenly was a 9 foot tall laser chicken they aren't going to notice that you dyed your armor blue. That makes it a hard sell to put dev time into dyes or any other little thing that customizes characters.

Plus it'd make it a lot harder to embarrass paladins if they can dye their pink power ranger armor.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Hathen on December 06, 2010, 11:39:01 AM
I always thought it was just me that never really "noticed" the armor in WoW. I only remember what a couple of the tier sets look like, and I think that's only because I've looked at some of them in pictures outside the game before.

One thing that's always bothered me is that a lot of chest pieces, for instance, look completely "flat"...there's textures on them but you can easily see that they're textures instead of it feeling like they're wearing something that's three-dimensional. Have they fixed that a bit with Cataclysm?
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Danku on December 06, 2010, 05:54:08 PM
I'm more a customization type of guy when it comes to my games. You would think a MMO would want you to customize your character and make him unique in some way.

I really don't know how big the soundtrack is in WoW. Like Hathen, you don't really notice any music because it's mostly just ambiance. The music is great though, it sets the mood for the region.

I might just need a MMO with more customization is all. But I don't know of any that are as stable or polished as WoW. =(
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Akanbe- on December 06, 2010, 06:12:20 PM
I am disappointed in WoW. I truly want to like the game every time I play, but it seems like the developers honestly don't give a crap about the player base. I'm no elitist and don't really know much about the game mechanics to complain about that aspect of the game. What I want to complain about is the lack of customization and content in the game.

This game has been out what, 6 years? Why has there been no sort of visual improvement to the original races yet? Why is there still no form of housing in the game? Why can't you name warlock pets? Why can't you change the color or at least choose the model of pets? Why are most mounts and armors simple re-colorings of old armors and mounts? Why is there such limited music in the game? No dyes? No new hairstyles? There are a million other things I can complain about..but I can't remember them all right now!

-No big improvements to original races because they want it to run on all sorts of PCs.  This is a common complaint.  At least the water/sun effects are much nicer =\
-No guild housing because they put time into main cities (which look much better imo) and want people to spend their time in the cities.  There may be other reasons, but that's the main one.
-You can't name Warlock pets because they aren't pets.  They are demons you summon from the other world.  They already have names.
-Model of pets?  Warlocks have lots of different options for pets.. 5-7 iirc.
-Armors are recolored of older models because developers are lazy/don't care.  Common complaint and I agree with you.  As far as mounts go, the mounts ARE more unique if you see the endgame mounts.  Check out the PVP Gladiator mounts and the Dungeonmaster drakes.  Some are overlap, but still pretty nice.
-Music isn't that limited.  Most zones have their own music.  Most people couldn't care less because they play with sound down/mp3s playing so it's not something you see devs talk about much.
-Dyes would be nice but hairstyles don't matter much. Most of the time, you can't see the hair anyone if someone has a helmet on.  Not really a deal breaker.  Dyes won't happen anytime in the near future because different dungeon sets are separated by different color.  Regular = X color.  Heroic = Y color.  It's extremely lazy imo.

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Putting aside that there are new hairstyles the thing with wow, that I think is one of it's more noteworthy flaws since it hurts immersion, is that it's designed to be played with the camera far out.

Missed this.  Yeah, that's a big part of it too.  Most people who do dungeons set their draw-distance to max through console settings so they can zoom out really far.  You can barely tell what kind of armor you're wearing at that point let alone color/hair.  Still see where you're coming from since you aren't zoomed out all the time you play.

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One thing that's always bothered me is that a lot of chest pieces, for instance, look completely "flat"...there's textures on them but you can easily see that they're textures instead of it feeling like they're wearing something that's three-dimensional. Have they fixed that a bit with Cataclysm?

Nope. Probably won't until they touch the player models unfortunately.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Daggerstrike on December 07, 2010, 09:43:55 PM
Worgen are awesome
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Akanbe- on December 08, 2010, 09:50:52 PM
Pretty surprised how fast it is to level.  I thought they said 80-85 would take longer than 70-80, but it doesn't seem that way.

I also love how they took away the power of AOE heals.  Healing is more like it used to be again.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Annubis on December 08, 2010, 11:16:03 PM
Tanking is harsh too.
Some of the pulls are deadly unless I use 2-3 cooldowns.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Danku on December 09, 2010, 11:56:07 AM
I must admit, I'm really enjoying doing some of the remade quests in Azeroth. Granted, I never really did many quests because I used RAF for all my characters+ instance runs, so I can't really compare.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Ragnarok-Sabin on December 09, 2010, 12:28:57 PM
The new leveling zones are amazing. It's easy to level 80-85 in 12-24 hours, and if you choose to you won't get bored questing at all; they did a great job spicing their quests up. Dungeons are also a massive improvement: regular 81+ dungeons are as difficult/more difficult than Wrath heroics were, while the Cataclysm Heroics are much more along the lines of BC. Some of the bosses will punish you and test each aspect of your group. If it's your group's first time there, expect to wipe a number of times. Some of the harder fights I've run into took an hour plus to kill, though a lot of it was figuring out strategies, which wont be needed a second time. Still, mistakes are punished harshly and the fights are tightly tuned to your healers mana (they're finishing fights OOM, or below 3%) so everyone has to be on the ball.

Over all I'm extremely impressed by the expansion. New content feels a little "small" but I know most of that is that I haven't begun raiding or PvPing yet, nor have I taken the time to properly explore the old world. I start raiding next week and will report back on raid content then.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: D-Rider on December 10, 2010, 01:18:18 PM
Man, my fucking paladin feels so weak.  I don't know if it's the new mechanics or if they got the nerf bat while I wasn't playing or what, but I had to bubble the very first time I pulled more than one enemy. :P  Divine Storm in particular feels like it's lost a lot of its heft.

I like the worgen starting area.  The worgen themselves...not so much. :P

Goblins are totally my favorite race in the game now.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Danku on December 11, 2010, 08:51:13 PM
Man, my fucking paladin feels so weak.  I don't know if it's the new mechanics or if they got the nerf bat while I wasn't playing or what, but I had to bubble the very first time I pulled more than one enemy. :P  Divine Storm in particular feels like it's lost a lot of its heft.

I like the worgen starting area.  The worgen themselves...not so much. :P

Goblins are totally my favorite race in the game now.
Lol man.. why are goblins your favorite race? My little brother is also fixated on making a goblin if he ever plays again. I personally think gnomes are my favorite race, even though I never made one. They are like midgets, but cute and funny. Now that they can become priests, I might actually transfer my BOA stuff and make one. My only real pet peeve is that you get all this crazy awesome looking gear, but you're like 2feet tall so you can barely see it!
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Ragnarok-Sabin on December 12, 2010, 07:54:58 AM
Man, my fucking paladin feels so weak.  I don't know if it's the new mechanics or if they got the nerf bat while I wasn't playing or what, but I had to bubble the very first time I pulled more than one enemy. :P  Divine Storm in particular feels like it's lost a lot of its heft.

Divine Storm is now akin to a rogue's Fan of Knives--it's meant solely as an AoE. The target cap has been lifted for that reason. It shares a cooldown with Crusader Strike but isn't a guaranteed Holy Power generator, so it's kind of a trade off... You mostly just feel weak because mobs are buffed and your crit/hit/haste/etc are dropping as you level. Just remember to keep up Inquisiton, and Templar's Verdict/Exorcism hits like a truck.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: ShadowLaguna on December 12, 2010, 06:28:03 PM
Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?

No.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Daggerstrike on December 13, 2010, 09:36:42 AM
Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?

No.

Thank you for the inspiring and well thought out response. Jackass.


So what I found with my paladin is that the gear that I had was not sufficient to even do the first couple of quests in Cata. The problem is that I had just gotten to 80 and hadn't done much with her. It took me a long time to do the first kill quests in Hyjal, until I went back and made some new gear, then she started doing ok damage.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Ragnarok-Sabin on December 13, 2010, 11:30:32 AM
So I had my first raid night last night. Only one kill, and it certainly wasn't Wrath-easy. Where the much less-skilled guild (rank 5000-ish) I was in this time last year was able to kill three bosses on the first night of Icecrown Citadel, my current world top 200 guild took an hour and a half to snag our first kill. We also wiped for another hour and a half on the second boss. To be fair, some of the difficulty is not having timers and no released, solid strategies yet, as well as some undergeared healers, but so far the fights are way more fun than they've been since Ulduar. Love it.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: D-Rider on December 13, 2010, 12:47:20 PM
Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?

No.

Thank you for the inspiring and well thought out response. Jackass.


So what I found with my paladin is that the gear that I had was not sufficient to even do the first couple of quests in Cata. The problem is that I had just gotten to 80 and hadn't done much with her. It took me a long time to do the first kill quests in Hyjal, until I went back and made some new gear, then she started doing ok damage.

Yeah, that's probably true to an extent, but my mage had roughly equivalent gear and two shotted the first mob I came across.  Ret's just in a sorry state at the moment:  I'm thinking real seriously about getting a good sword and board and doing this shit prot-style. :P
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: ShadowLaguna on December 13, 2010, 05:22:58 PM
Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?

No.

Thank you for the inspiring and well thought out response. Jackass.


You're welcome. :3
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Akanbe- on December 13, 2010, 05:35:37 PM
So I had my first raid night last night. Only one kill, and it certainly wasn't Wrath-easy. Where the much less-skilled guild (rank 5000-ish) I was in this time last year was able to kill three bosses on the first night of Icecrown Citadel, my current world top 200 guild took an hour and a half to snag our first kill. We also wiped for another hour and a half on the second boss. To be fair, some of the difficulty is not having timers and no released, solid strategies yet, as well as some undergeared healers, but so far the fights are way more fun than they've been since Ulduar. Love it.

I can't speak for your raid, but the biggest obstacle I'm seeing, in general, is DPS mindset of, "lol i'm standing in fire.  it's okay to stand here for a few seconds though because healers will heal me."  With mana gen regen the way it is now, this thinking is toxic and will undoubtedly lead to oom healers (again, just sayin' in general since I'm nearly 85).  Instances themselves almost require a guild run because of DPS still standing in fire/not avoiding cleaves and tanks' old mindset of "healer has 50% mana, i'm pulling nao".

I'm betting that heroics are going to be a total pain in the ass if you pug it.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Ragnarok-Sabin on December 14, 2010, 01:15:15 AM
So I had my first raid night last night. Only one kill, and it certainly wasn't Wrath-easy. Where the much less-skilled guild (rank 5000-ish) I was in this time last year was able to kill three bosses on the first night of Icecrown Citadel, my current world top 200 guild took an hour and a half to snag our first kill. We also wiped for another hour and a half on the second boss. To be fair, some of the difficulty is not having timers and no released, solid strategies yet, as well as some undergeared healers, but so far the fights are way more fun than they've been since Ulduar. Love it.

I can't speak for your raid, but the biggest obstacle I'm seeing, in general, is DPS mindset of, "lol i'm standing in fire.  it's okay to stand here for a few seconds though because healers will heal me."  With mana gen regen the way it is now, this thinking is toxic and will undoubtedly lead to oom healers (again, just sayin' in general since I'm nearly 85).  Instances themselves almost require a guild run because of DPS still standing in fire/not avoiding cleaves and tanks' old mindset of "healer has 50% mana, i'm pulling nao".

I'm betting that heroics are going to be a total pain in the ass if you pug it.

As a tank, I'm not pugging at all. I don't trust pug healers, I don't expect pug DPS to be capable of proper CC and kill order, and its generally not worth the hassle when a guild group now one-shots everything in heroics with little difficulty (providing they're awake). As for raids, mechanics so far are a little more interesting. The first boss we engaged (not counting the Brutallus-esque VoA flavour boss) was a typical council boss, with a bit of a twist. Only two were active at a time, and the dangerous part of the fight was the synergy of their abilities: one would chain lighting while the other dropped a buff for the raid to stack in, for example. If people weren't on their game and paying attention, a wipe was assured.

The second fight was pretty standard AoE-damage and adds, but again with a twist. Anyone hit by adds was infected, and the add disappeared. Ten seconds later, a full health add spawned where ever the raid member had moved to. Meanwhile the boss did heavy AoE damage, stressing our healers mana and putting the responsibility on the DPS (especially the melee, who weren't killing adds) to get the boss into phase two for a short mana break before phase one repeated. With the dearth of raid boss guides (Tankspot has since put out a guide for this boss, ironically enough from the other top guild on my server), trying to find a strategy to deal with everything was taxing--all we really found out is that tanking them may not be the best plan.
Title: Re: Anyone plan on playing Cataclysm World of Warcraft?
Post by: Themadcow on April 04, 2011, 07:00:50 AM
Damn you WoW. Curse (lols) you Blizzard.

For the first time in 2 years I escaped the Mrs for a week and set out a long list of RPG's I wanted to complete during my week of freedom. Then Blizz offered me 7 days free game-time and for the first time since Nov 2008 I went back to Azeroth.

Predictably, the most I saw of the games on my list was about 4hrs total. Nothing else compares :(