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Title: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: John on December 10, 2010, 04:08:35 PM
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2010/770.html

DERP DERP EA.  They already pulled the entry, but the damage is done.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Starmongoose on December 10, 2010, 04:19:11 PM
Gamers don't miss a trick, do they?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: PaleRobbie on December 10, 2010, 04:43:25 PM
And now (most likely) with 100% more multiplayer (that no one asked for)!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lard on December 10, 2010, 04:57:49 PM
MP shoehorned in needlessly into a single player game? Who whoulda thunk it!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Dice on December 10, 2010, 05:10:35 PM
Doth anyone reccomendeth ME 1 &-eth 2?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on December 10, 2010, 07:48:50 PM
This humble horsemaster doth recommendeth them with all due fervor


Some of the best gaming I've ever done right there
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on December 10, 2010, 08:05:52 PM
Eh, if the multiplayer doesn't hold back the single player, I don't mind if it's put in. People keep whining about multiplayer as if it's some scourge on gaming and an affront to their senses, but it seems like a lot of whining over nothing, IMO.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Prime Mover on December 10, 2010, 08:06:32 PM
Doth anyone reccomendeth ME 1 &-eth 2?

2 is amazing. 1 is pretty good. One had extremely repeative level design which held it back from being an "A" game for me, but it's still definitely worth a playthrough, and pretty neccessary for playing 2, which is a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Dice on December 10, 2010, 08:16:45 PM
This humble horsemaster doth recommendeth them with all due fervor


Some of the best gaming I've ever done right there

I don't know why I chose to type it like that, but thanks for playing along (exams are ruining my mind).
And thanks for all the responses. =)  Hopefully I can find em...and the time. =/
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on December 10, 2010, 08:31:40 PM
FYI: It seems EA decided to start charging $59.99 on their PC games a few months ago. Medal of Honor debuted at that price, Dragon Age 2 is going for that price, and Crysis 2 has that as the list price on Amazon. Definitely not the start of a trend with ME3.

I actually think co-op might be nice for ME3, but I doubt there's really much point in putting in competitive multiplayer (though I guess that's going to be stuck in), and the co-op I'm thinking of is more of a Secret of Mana-type thing where others can take control of your team mates for awhile. Even then I wouldn't want it to be at the cost of the pause while playing with the radial for abilities in single player.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on December 10, 2010, 08:42:09 PM
Co Op Multiplayer doesn't have to go through the single player campaign. It can be done in a Splinter Cell: Conviction style that lets players go through stuff that's happening behind the scenes or something.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on December 11, 2010, 10:22:07 AM
Uncharted 2's co-op was also completely independent from the campaign, like extra missions, and they were great.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: PaleRobbie on December 11, 2010, 10:47:40 AM
The multiplayer could be great, in which case I will be the first one to extol the virtues of such a new feature.  At the same time, does anyone really see this becoming a huge multiplayer sensation along the lines of Call of Duty or Halo?  I don't want to see resources taken away from a single-player project in order to put something into the game that has a limited lifespan.  Does anyone play Bioshock 2 for the multiplayer?  Will people still be playing Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood three months from now?  I could be wrong, and Mass Effect 3 could end up featuring the best multiplayer this side of making love (the best multiplayer experience ever, IMO), but I doubt it.  As long as this development doesn't hurt the quality of the single-player campaign (which is impossible to judge because we will never play the "could-have-been" Mass Effect 3 with only single-player) then we have no reason to complain/worry. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on December 11, 2010, 11:16:29 AM
People need to stop making such a big deal out of the multiplayer options.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 11, 2010, 11:59:01 AM
The multiplayer for BioShock 2 was pretty fun for a while, but it's nothing to write home about.

But it's there, as an option. Is your decision how you make your moneys worth, after all, the main game is still the best aspect of BioShock 2.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: PaleRobbie on December 11, 2010, 12:50:36 PM
And that's where the question comes in; would you have rather had more single player content or the multiplayer component?  A more polished overall experience or the multiplayer?  There's no correct answer to this question.  It's all personal taste. 

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Is your decision how you make your moneys worth, after all...

I disagree with this.  Playing through the main game again does extend the life of the product, sure, but I would have rather had a longer or more involved single-player experience, and you could argue that creating the multiplayer component took away from this.  Does that mean that I'm not getting my money's worth if I don't play the multiplayer?  What about the SOCOM series.  Most of us just avoided the solo campaign and went straight for multiplayer.  Did we get our money's worth even though we missed out on some content created by the developers? 

I just disagree with the current notion running around the industry that every game needs multiplayer.  It only extends the life of games with an active community of players, and very few games are able to keep up the numbers to justify this feature being added to a game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Banestar on December 11, 2010, 12:59:51 PM
And that's where the question comes in; would you have rather had more single player content or the multiplayer component?  A more polished overall experience or the multiplayer?  There's no correct answer to this question.  It's all personal taste. 

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Is your decision how you make your moneys worth, after all...

I disagree with this.  Playing through the main game again does extend the life of the product, sure, but I would have rather had a longer or more involved single-player experience, and you could argue that creating the multiplayer component took away from this.  Does that mean that I'm not getting my money's worth if I don't play the multiplayer?  What about the SOCOM series.  Most of us just avoided the solo campaign and went straight for multiplayer.  Did we get our money's worth even though we missed out on some content created by the developers? 

I just disagree with the current notion running around the industry that every game needs multiplayer.  It only extends the life of games with an active community of players, and very few games are able to keep up the numbers to justify this feature being added to a game.

Quoted for awesomeness. I'm always devastated (ok, not devastated, but more like a little ticked off) when I can't get all the best gear in a game like War of the Lions because I'm a game-playing hermit and can't get the stupid PS3 ad-hoc stuff to work right.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on December 11, 2010, 03:24:44 PM
Man this game is gonna own so hard.

Own
So
Hard
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on December 11, 2010, 03:26:16 PM
And come on guys I doubt they will detract from the main game just because they are adding multiplayer. They specifically recruited for multiplayer development. After playing Mass Effect 2 I have total faith in them.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: hell_snake on December 11, 2010, 03:44:31 PM
And come on guys I doubt they will detract from the main game just because they are adding multiplayer. They specifically recruited for multiplayer development. After playing Mass Effect 2 I have total faith in them.
Uncharted 2 added multiplayer and was still a way better game than the original. Can't wait for that trailer!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on December 11, 2010, 05:52:09 PM
And come on guys I doubt they will detract from the main game just because they are adding multiplayer. They specifically recruited for multiplayer development. After playing Mass Effect 2 I have total faith in them.
Uncharted 2 added multiplayer and was still a way better game than the original. Can't wait for that trailer!

Seriously, everyone was saying stuff like this befoe the game's release and we all know how that turned out.
A multiplayer mode, if done right, can add dozens of hours of entertainment, that's more than any single player campaign can offer. People are still playing uncharted 2's multiplayer, 14 months after release.
Believe it or not, multiplayer sells games. Publishers know this, that's why they invest in it, even when it's franchises that never had it in the first place, it pays off when the game hits the stores. Gamers see it as added value. If it's successful, you sell a few extra maps or characters through dlc and even make an extra profit.
Do you seriously think that they would compromise the game's campaign in any way to add multiplayer? The expectations for this game are huge, if it fails to deliver no multiplayer will save them from the meltdown, no matter how good it is.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on December 11, 2010, 06:35:46 PM
you could argue that creating the multiplayer component took away from this

Actually, you can't.  It is a statement with no facts to reinforce it, and thus there is no argument to be had.  You can speculate and bitch accordingly, but it changes nothing since multiplayer is going to be in the final product, period dot.  You might want to save your energy for the game's release and then consider jumping to conclusions about multiplayer directly impacting the quality of the single-player experience if the game sucks ass (unlikely).

Gamers are a bunch of blubbering vaginas.  HOW DARE THEY DO THIS TO MY GAME
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Kevadu on December 11, 2010, 06:36:44 PM
I disagree with this.  Playing through the main game again does extend the life of the product, sure, but I would have rather had a longer or more involved single-player experience, and you could argue that creating the multiplayer component took away from this.

This is a false dichotomy.  What you seem to be missing is game development is not a zero-sum game.  A game's budget (and therefore resources) is based on what the publisher thinks it's going to sell.  If they add a feature (like multiplayer) that they believe will increase the number of copies sold then they can also increase the budget, hire more people to work on that feature, etc.  This doesn't have to happen at the expense of the single-player campaign at all.

Now, one might reasonably question whether multiplayer options are really going to sell more copies of Mass Effect 3, but at the very least EA seems to think so.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Kyle on December 11, 2010, 09:11:34 PM
Still no confirmation of multiplayer or not. Just a sweet trailer and Shepard being a badass.

My problem with multiplayer is that 1) it detracts from the single player game and/or 2) it affects how the game is designed, esp. for co-op. Look at something like Borderlands, where abilities are geared toward multiplayer. Skills and such can become fixated on co-op play. and 3) it perpetuates multi-player.

As more multi-player games are made and extensions put on regularly single-player games, it will only snowball and grow. Eventually single-player games could be extinct if developers determine that only multi-player sells. The emphasis is already turning toward that. There is no story in multi-player games. There is no artistic experience, and thus if multi-player wins out over single-player, video games will cease to be on the same level as books, film, and music. They'll be more like board games. Scrabble might be fun and unique, but it's not a powerful experience.

Regardless, people are assuming ME3 has multiplayer, but I honestly don't think it will now that I've seen the trailer. I think Bioware will end it with dignity. After that, they can fuck up however they want and I won't care. (Well, a little maybe).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on December 11, 2010, 09:15:42 PM
If you haven't seen the trailer yet:

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2010/775.html

I have almost a year to get through ME2. Excellent.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on December 11, 2010, 10:27:58 PM
My problem with multiplayer is that 1) it detracts from the single player game
Nope.  Several people already mentioned Uncharted 2 as a perfect example of how wrong your statement is before you even said it, but I guess that's inconvenient to your desire to spew FUD and so it's easier to just pretend that no one mentioned it.

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and/or 2) it affects how the game is designed, esp. for co-op. Look at something like Borderlands, where abilities are geared toward multiplayer. Skills and such can become fixated on co-op play. and
Maybe it's because Borderlands was by design, a First Person Shooter in the gameplay style of Diablo whose emphasis was multiplayer.  Not exactly a good example to use to make your case.

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3) it perpetuates multi-player.
What is this supposed to even mean.

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As more multi-player games are made and extensions put on regularly single-player games, it will only snowball and grow. Eventually single-player games could be extinct if developers determine that only multi-player sells. The emphasis is already turning toward that.
Ahahaha.  More FUD.  Rest assured, single player gaming experiences aren't going anywhere.  Having multi-player tacked on as an optional component hurts no one.  The ability for other friends to perhaps control squad-mates in combat for Mass Effect 3 if anything, would be a fantastic optional feature.

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There is no story in multi-player games. There is no artistic experience, and thus if multi-player wins out over single-player, video games will cease to be on the same level as books, film, and music.
Ahahaha.  Seriously, wow.  Story has been slowly but surely taking more of a role in MMORPGs, and ironically enough, the same company behind Mass Effect is developing The Old Republic, an MMORPG that will have such a heavy story focus that Bioware has numerous full time writers that have been penning material for over two years, all of which will be delivered through insane amounts of voice acting complete with cutscenes using the same presentation style and conversation trees that are present in Mass Effect, Dragon Age, and other Bioware products.

And as before, other players being able to control squad-mates in Mass Effect 3, or hell, Mass Effect 2 would be awesome.  Same exact cinematic story experience, except with friends.  Sounds like a winner to me.

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They'll be more like board games. Scrabble might be fun and unique, but it's not a powerful experience.
You have no idea what you are talking about.  Seriously, free your mind and open it up to possibilities.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 11, 2010, 10:31:09 PM
I just wonder if ME3 will be a proper mix of ME1 and 2 (i.e. good action yet plenty o good exploration and RPG elements)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on December 11, 2010, 11:07:48 PM
My boner is raging
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on December 11, 2010, 11:15:25 PM
I'm hoping that this announcement doesn't mess with possible DLC for ME2. Still a lot of mysteries that need to be solved.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on December 11, 2010, 11:50:45 PM
I'm hoping that this announcement doesn't mess with possible DLC for ME2. Still a lot of mysteries that need to be solved.

Whenever Bioware releases the final DLC I'm sure it'll be widely publicized, like Witch Hunt was. We can at least expect another DLC.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Kyle on December 12, 2010, 12:29:55 AM
My problem with multiplayer is that 1) it detracts from the single player game
Nope.  Several people already mentioned Uncharted 2 as a perfect example of how wrong your statement is before you even said it, but I guess that's inconvenient to your desire to spew FUD and so it's easier to just pretend that no one mentioned it.

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and/or 2) it affects how the game is designed, esp. for co-op. Look at something like Borderlands, where abilities are geared toward multiplayer. Skills and such can become fixated on co-op play. and
Maybe it's because Borderlands was by design, a First Person Shooter in the gameplay style of Diablo whose emphasis was multiplayer.  Not exactly a good example to use to make your case.

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3) it perpetuates multi-player.
What is this supposed to even mean.

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As more multi-player games are made and extensions put on regularly single-player games, it will only snowball and grow. Eventually single-player games could be extinct if developers determine that only multi-player sells. The emphasis is already turning toward that.
Ahahaha.  More FUD.  Rest assured, single player gaming experiences aren't going anywhere.  Having multi-player tacked on as an optional component hurts no one.  The ability for other friends to perhaps control squad-mates in combat for Mass Effect 3 if anything, would be a fantastic optional feature.

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There is no story in multi-player games. There is no artistic experience, and thus if multi-player wins out over single-player, video games will cease to be on the same level as books, film, and music.
Ahahaha.  Seriously, wow.  Story has been slowly but surely taking more of a role in MMORPGs, and ironically enough, the same company behind Mass Effect is developing The Old Republic, an MMORPG that will have such a heavy story focus that Bioware has numerous full time writers that have been penning material for over two years, all of which will be delivered through insane amounts of voice acting complete with cutscenes using the same presentation style and conversation trees that are present in Mass Effect, Dragon Age, and other Bioware products.

And as before, other players being able to control squad-mates in Mass Effect 3, or hell, Mass Effect 2 would be awesome.  Same exact cinematic story experience, except with friends.  Sounds like a winner to me.

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They'll be more like board games. Scrabble might be fun and unique, but it's not a powerful experience.
You have no idea what you are talking about.  Seriously, free your mind and open it up to possibilities.

You're right. You convinced me.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on December 12, 2010, 01:03:53 AM
I already outlined one possibility where adding multiplayer might adversely effect single player, removing the pause from using radial commands, and that's no guarantee anyway. That'd probably only happen if co-op was added and Bioware didn't feel like taking the effort to retain the pause for single player or at least make it an option. As for games where adding multiplayer actually did change and arguably harm single player... the only one I can think of as a definite example is RE5. It removed the inventory system RE4 had, introduced a companion whose mere presence pretty much assured the game lost most chances to be frightening, and while RE4 wasn't very open ended RE5 became more linear for the sake of level chunks more convenient for co-op play. Otherwise, maybe if I dug through developer interviews there'd be other examples, but most of the time if multiplayer's added either there's a strong opportunity for it or it's just a feature you can ignore with no consequence to the single player.

With all that said, promises by EA and SE to focus more on multiplayer and social gaming give me pause, but we'll see where that really goes.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: PaleRobbie on December 12, 2010, 01:33:59 PM
Alright, to get away from the multiplayer argument, the game's trailer looked cool, and I'm excited to see how Bioware finished off the series.  The third entry in a franchise has a lot to live up to.  Guess this means I'll have to play through 1 (ugh....) and 2 (yay!) again to prepare. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on December 12, 2010, 02:07:23 PM
Man, that trailer was closer to how I expected ME2 to end, given how they likened it to being the Empire Strikes Back of the series. ME2 was darker but didn't ever give the sense of 'we've lost this round'.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Esper_Crusader on December 13, 2010, 07:34:58 AM
I really can't see Bioware skimping on the single player in favor of multiplayer. I don't think they'd compromise the game that way. I have faith that it's going to be a great game. If they want to add multiplayer, I say fine. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Farron on December 13, 2010, 11:58:41 AM
Alright, to get away from the multiplayer argument, the game's trailer looked cool, and I'm excited to see how Bioware finished off the series.  The third entry in a franchise has a lot to live up to.  Guess this means I'll have to play through 1 (ugh....) and 2 (yay!) again to prepare. 

I was thinking the same thing. Then I thought, well instead of putting myself through some pain and go through ME1 again, I'll play it on the ps3 (the comics style), at least there will be no Mako on it.
I rarely buy the same game twice but considering the "Shadowbroker" DLC didn't work till the end on my PC (also in lot's of people pcs) and I don't wanna risk on my all time favorite games (ME2) to have the same fate as KOTOR which won't run on windows vista/seven making me unable to play it again. I had it for xbox 1 but sold the console but now I can't even play it on pc, so all I have left are memories.

I won't let this happen to ME2. So I'll get ME2 for ps3 and ME3 as well.

A little of topic but on Mass Effect still, of course:
I started a playthrough as a female Sheppard because I heard the female VA, Jennifer Hale, if I'm not mistaken, was "all that and even more". Even though she's good, I still think the male Sheppard is a lot more consistent and more tuned with the character, as I mean "the guy who saved the galaxy".
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on December 13, 2010, 07:13:38 PM
Female Shepard for paragon.  Male Shepard for renegade.  Do this for maximum enjoyment.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on December 13, 2010, 08:04:53 PM
People dogging on the Mako are fools. Yeah, aiming a cursor at a planet was much more entertaining. I'm sure if you looked at the time, driving to all the minerals or whatever in ME1 took about the same time as cursoring planets in ME2. At least in ME1 you know where everything was, in ME2 it was possible to miss shit.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on December 13, 2010, 09:25:16 PM
They fixed the cursor via a patch, and missing stuff's only an issue if you're either OCD or need JUST a bit more. And that's most likely only going to matter with eezo.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: D-Rider on December 14, 2010, 09:16:51 AM
Female Shepard for paragon.  Male Shepard for renegade.  Do this for maximum enjoyment.

Really?  I do the exact opposite; female Shepard is a total bitch. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: PaleRobbie on December 14, 2010, 09:22:15 AM
I don't think anyone is going to argue that the scanning mini-game in 2 was great.  Both that and the Mako sections are abysmal.  Trying to control that tank on the PC was like playing GTA4 in permanent drunk mode....

....while high on crystal meth.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on December 14, 2010, 11:28:35 AM
Kick ass about ME3. Sadly, these are the only games I get genuinely excited about anymore.
I still need to get some of the DLC for ME2.
They NEED to find a new way to do the whole mineral finding thing. Personally, I actually liked the stupid Mako more than the planet scanning of 2.
They need to just integrate it into the regular areas, and not have it be a separate thing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on December 14, 2010, 11:37:19 AM
A great fucking way to get minerals and shit is salvaging from a battle. Have a space battle, or maybe an assault mission and then you just recover items. The harder the mission, the better the payoff.

The problem is with space battles in the ME universe. If you read the codex crap from ME1 they say that it's basically huge capital ships in a battle of attrition. Fighters are basically suicide attacks because automatic targeting vaporizes them
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on December 14, 2010, 06:06:00 PM
Female Shepard for paragon.  Male Shepard for renegade.  Do this for maximum enjoyment.

Really?  I do the exact opposite; female Shepard is a total bitch. :P

Yeah same here.My FemShep tortures,murders and intimidates her way into the galaxy.If the Reapers think they are ruthless,FemShep will show off human cruelty at its finest
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lord Scottish on December 14, 2010, 06:32:27 PM
No Mass Effect fan am I, but I would like to point out that the Baldur's Gate games also featured multiplayer, with no adverse effect on the single player experience. So Bioware is absolutely capable of getting this right.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on December 14, 2010, 06:34:44 PM
No Mass Effect fan am I, but I would like to point out that the Baldur's Gate games also featured multiplayer, with no adverse effect on the single player experience. So Bioware is absolutely capable of getting this right.

Ahh, that's right. It'd require something REALLY stupid happening on some level to screw things up. Certainly I don't see them being like Capcom there!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Prime Mover on December 14, 2010, 06:39:20 PM
A great fucking way to get minerals and shit is salvaging from a battle. Have a space battle, or maybe an assault mission and then you just recover items. The harder the mission, the better the payoff.

The problem is with space battles in the ME universe. If you read the codex crap from ME1 they say that it's basically huge capital ships in a battle of attrition. Fighters are basically suicide attacks because automatic targeting vaporizes them

Then let's go pirate and have it be more of a scavanging operation. You find a derelict vessle, have to traverse it's creepy hallways, and pinpoint locations where minerals can be extracted. Some of them contain aliens, renegades, or volitile conditions.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Kyle on December 15, 2010, 09:37:25 AM
ME 3 is "a single player game" confirmed by a moderator on the forums!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on December 15, 2010, 09:55:57 AM
A great fucking way to get minerals and shit is salvaging from a battle. Have a space battle, or maybe an assault mission and then you just recover items. The harder the mission, the better the payoff.

The problem is with space battles in the ME universe. If you read the codex crap from ME1 they say that it's basically huge capital ships in a battle of attrition. Fighters are basically suicide attacks because automatic targeting vaporizes them

Then let's go pirate and have it be more of a scavanging operation. You find a derelict vessle, have to traverse it's creepy hallways, and pinpoint locations where minerals can be extracted. Some of them contain aliens, renegades, or volitile conditions.

That's a damn fine idea. Taking that a step further with a renegade twist...raiding and boarding ships that aren't abandoned!

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Farron on December 15, 2010, 03:33:18 PM
Female Shepard for paragon.  Male Shepard for renegade.  Do this for maximum enjoyment.

Really?  I do the exact opposite; female Shepard is a total bitch. :P

Yeah same here.My FemShep tortures,murders and intimidates her way into the galaxy.If the Reapers think they are ruthless,FemShep will show off human cruelty at its finest

I'm glad you say so because that's the route I was going to take with my FemSheppard.
Since my main male Sheppard is the good guy I'd like to see how is it to play on the other end. Maybe even
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spoiler: Taking the suggestion of the Illusive Man and taking the collectors's technology. I mean, he's Martin Sheen, and he was the president (west wing). I can't deny his wishes hehe.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on December 15, 2010, 04:07:04 PM
Well, I was going to make a female Shepard anyway. This thread jut fortified it. :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on December 15, 2010, 04:09:14 PM
When I started ME1 I didn't even think of making a ShepBro

Female all the way. My Shepard don't take no guff.

ME3... can't remember last time I looked forward to a game this much. Ocarina or Mario 64 probably.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on December 15, 2010, 06:50:17 PM
I played through Mass Effect 1 & 2 a lot of times. CUrrently I have five 'main' characters for transfer into ME3 - three male, two female. The female voice just seems so bored and subdued a lot of the time. Male Shepard is much better voiced.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on March 18, 2011, 11:25:57 AM
For ME3 I hope they take away the ship navigation on the galaxy map. Keep fuel expenditure, maybe, but the actual piloting around of the normandy felt ridiculous. In a game where you're trying to impress w/ the size of the galaxy which is filled with brilliant looking planets and nebulae having something so completely off scale is cheapening.

In the 1st one it could be made that it was simply a scaled map. in 2 since you actually flew around that doesn't work.

Also. Please let me see what Tali looks like :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on March 18, 2011, 12:22:15 PM
Also. Please let me see what Tali looks like :)

DON'T DO IT!!!
Don't destroy my fantasies =(

Imagine if she's like (ok... that's still adorable... so imagine a Predator)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/Nordon/LEFTisHOT.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: MindCandy on March 18, 2011, 12:37:48 PM
No Mass Effect fan am I, but I would like to point out that the Baldur's Gate games also featured multiplayer, with no adverse effect on the single player experience. So Bioware is absolutely capable of getting this right.

Ahh, that's right. It'd require something REALLY stupid happening on some level to screw things up. Certainly I don't see them being like Capcom there!
You are assuming Bioware will do the multiplayer. Remember, EA owns their ass. Stuff like this has been outsourced before.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on March 25, 2011, 04:01:24 AM
(http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/1/3/4/0/3/6/9/Mass_Effect_2_Die_Ankunft_3.jpg.jpg)

WE'RE BACK BITCHES
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Prime Mover on March 25, 2011, 04:42:14 AM
Yeah, I went the Tali route. First off, I thought she was the most interesting female character in the series, bar none, and the most likeable, especially since I tend to play paragon. All the other women seem hollier-than-thow in some way. And secondly, I have to admit, BioWare did a damn good job of making a suited, faceless character attractive.

Still, all the sex scenes were crap. Miranda's wasn't TERRIBLE, but it still felt wrong. All of them are too abrupt, with people GRABBING EACHOTHER REALLY FAST! I guess they're trying to show how non-committal the relationship is. Still, they feel off.

Taking the suggestion of the Illusive Man... I mean, he's Martin Sheen.[/color]

Too bad the illusive man's son is a crazy lunatic.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Alisha on March 25, 2011, 06:19:24 AM
can i just say the sex scenes in ME2 and DA2 for that matter are well embarassing to look at. when someone showed me the one with a female x the pirate lady on youtube  i seriously couldnt stop laughing it was so bad. maybe for male x female it wouldnt of been so bad but for female x female just....LOL! do some research fellas heh.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on March 25, 2011, 06:55:34 AM
I am so ready for this.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on March 25, 2011, 07:01:30 AM
can i just say the sex scenes in ME2 and DA2 for that matter are well embarassing to look at. when someone showed me the one with a female x the pirate lady on youtube  i seriously couldnt stop laughing it was so bad. maybe for male x female it wouldnt of been so bad but for female x female just....LOL! do some research fellas heh.
If you're talking about Jack then that video was modified. Femshep can't romance Jack. That video was made by people with too much time.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on March 25, 2011, 07:39:53 AM
?
Save game editor -> sex = male
Save game editor -> player model = female

Takes like 10 sec.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on March 25, 2011, 07:43:10 AM
?
Save game editor -> sex = male
Save game editor -> player model = female

Takes like 10 sec.
10 sec. is still too much time to spend on that really
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Alisha on March 25, 2011, 09:00:37 PM
:o if only there was something like that for persona 3 portable!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on March 26, 2011, 10:32:54 AM
Lots of new details:

http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-details-mass-effect-2-dlc (http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-details-mass-effect-2-dlc)

Shepard will go in solo.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on March 26, 2011, 11:03:54 PM
:o if only there was something like that for persona 3 portable!

If they make a p4p i want to be able to be with naoto with the female mc.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on March 29, 2011, 07:58:55 PM
Anyone here play Arrival yet? People are saying that it's the worst ME2 dlc and very disappointing overall. I'm still getting it but I was expecting some great things from this. I wanted ME2 to go out with a bang not to mention that this is supposed to set the stage for motherfucking ME3. Well, whatever, more ME is always a good thing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sorrows Saturn on March 29, 2011, 09:48:43 PM
Anyone here play Arrival yet? People are saying that it's the worst ME2 dlc and very disappointing overall. I'm still getting it but I was expecting some great things from this. I wanted ME2 to go out with a bang not to mention that this is supposed to set the stage for motherfucking ME3. Well, whatever, more ME is always a good thing.
I haven't played it yet, but from what I know it's a 1 hour mission which explains that the reapers are approaching. Doesn't really seem like it's worth the $7.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on March 30, 2011, 07:36:44 AM
Just finished it, took me about 80 minutes. Can't say I'm disappointed, I enjoyed it, if you like ME you should get it. It's not as good as the previous dlc's but it's good and really drives home the feeling that the reapers are just around the corner.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: supersonic on March 30, 2011, 10:22:33 AM
Wait, so an 80-minute DLC is $7? Wow.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on March 30, 2011, 07:40:20 PM
Didn't anyone here get this? I thought we had a ton of ME fans here?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Fei on March 30, 2011, 07:52:10 PM
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I haven't played it yet, but from what I know it's a 1 hour mission which explains that the reapers are approaching. Doesn't really seem like it's worth the $7.

My god, I know ME2 was about building a team to defend against the collectors and reapers, but shouldn't we be mocking the story for pretentiousness by now?  The reapers are coming.  They are motherfucking coming!  They are fricking fracking coming... for real!  Time is running out!  They are almost here.  There is not much time left!  I know they are out there, and they are coming here.

Maybe I'm remembering it wrong though. 

I liked it better when there was just the one reaper, and the beacon, and the intrigue and stuff.  Still a fan though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on March 30, 2011, 08:01:08 PM
Didn't anyone here get this? I thought we had a ton of ME fans here?

When a game is good but doesn't have any lasting appeal, this is what happens.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on March 30, 2011, 08:02:28 PM
Didn't anyone here get this? I thought we had a ton of ME fans here?

I'm so damn behind in the main game I haven't played ANY DLC yet, though the other 3 came with the PS3 version. I've actually not bought this yet but I have every intention to.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on March 30, 2011, 08:47:55 PM
My god, I know ME2 was about building a team to defend against the collectors and reapers, but shouldn't we be mocking the story for pretentiousness by now?  The reapers are coming.  They are motherfucking coming!  They are fricking fracking coming... for real!  Time is running out!  They are almost here.  There is not much time left!  I know they are out there, and they are coming here.

The series IS three (main) games long, so it's not like some long running TV series that only pulls them out for the finale episode(s), with seasons worth of nothing happening. Maybe you can still take issue if the reapers only appear for the final battle in ME3 though. Given this DLC though I imagine they'll be fairly prevalent from the beginning of 3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: DPB on March 30, 2011, 09:30:10 PM
Didn't anyone here get this? I thought we had a ton of ME fans here?

I'll buy it at some point, probably not long before ME3 is released to refresh my memory. It was a great game, but the only DLC that really seemed worth making a priority was LotSB. Going back to a game just to play 1 or 2 hour snippets doesn't really interest me that much, so I'll be going through this, Overlord and the Kasumi DLC when the time comes.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: (Tunnels) on March 30, 2011, 10:07:17 PM
Didn't anyone here get this? I thought we had a ton of ME fans here?

I'll buy it at some point, probably not long before ME3 is released to refresh my memory. It was a great game, but the only DLC that really seemed worth making a priority was LotSB. Going back to a game just to play 1 or 2 hour snippets doesn't really interest me that much, so I'll be going through this, Overlord and the Kasumi DLC when the time comes.

Same here. I really have yet to see a DLC that makes me think "Oh, gotta get that now!" Cause by the time the DLC does roll around, I've already beaten the game and moved on.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on March 31, 2011, 07:05:32 AM
One thing I forgot to mention about Arrival that surprised me was the fact that you don't get to make a choice at the end. It seemed like such an obvious thing to do.

It could´ve ended the way it did with
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shepard buying some time or you could've stopped the asteroid and the dlc would end with the reapers comming through the mass relay. This in turn would change the way ME3 starts.
But wait, that wouldn't work, it wouldn't make any sense within the context of ME2 considering that you can tackle the mission half way through the game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on March 31, 2011, 02:07:08 PM
I'm hoping for some sale on ME2 dlc when ME3 comes out. Then I'll play all the ones I missed.

And Annubis is wrong, this game probably has more re-playability than most RPGs out there. Thus giving it "lasting appeal"
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on March 31, 2011, 02:21:06 PM
By lasting appeal, I mean anything that keeps the game from falling into the abyss of time. This is by no means associated to the company and not always linked to re-playability. Let me use a small example to demonstrate this:

How much fanart of ME2 is there per week? 10?
How much fanart of FF7 is there per week? 1000+
How much fanart of Touhou is there per week? 10,000+

Who do you think will survive the passage of time? Oh wait, the competition is at least 10 years older and still more alive.

I also doubt the people that got the game at release are still playing. I played it twice and I don't think I'll want to give it another run for a long long time.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on March 31, 2011, 02:47:20 PM
I have no idea how much fanart there is for any of these games. I'm sure your numbers are correct though.


Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on April 07, 2011, 01:20:39 PM
(http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/electronic-arts/bioware/masseffect3/may2011cover1280.jpg)

My body isn't ready.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on April 07, 2011, 02:15:07 PM
Hey Shepard,turn around :P

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

THIS HURTS YOU

IF I MUST TEAR YOU APART SHEPARD,I WILL

LEAVE THE DEAD WHERE THEY FALL

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on April 07, 2011, 03:00:55 PM
You think the Reapers would have a more efficient way of exterminating a population than ground assaults.

Or they got tired of space based attacks, since they've been doing it forever i guess
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Dice on April 07, 2011, 03:06:11 PM
Hey Shepard,turn around :P

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

THIS HURTS YOU

IF I MUST TEAR YOU APART SHEPARD,I WILL

LEAVE THE DEAD WHERE THEY FALL



Max Shepard won't turn around, he's already looking to the ...future!!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on April 07, 2011, 03:08:51 PM
You think the Reapers would have a more efficient way of exterminating a population than ground assaults.

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They don't want to kill humanity, they want to assimilate them into a new Reaper.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on April 07, 2011, 05:44:49 PM
graphics arent kawaii

do not want
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on April 07, 2011, 06:06:38 PM
graphics arent kawaii

do not want

Mass Effect anime:

http://uk.bluray.ign.com/articles/116/1160409p1.html (http://uk.bluray.ign.com/articles/116/1160409p1.html)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Dice on April 07, 2011, 06:22:00 PM
graphics arent kawaii

do not want

Game Infnormer Japan is going broad
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/Valkyrie963/geimuinfoma.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on April 07, 2011, 06:45:06 PM
he looks more kakkoii

but not enough pastel colors

too western for my superior tastes

the background should be brighter

blue skies and then maybe some cherry blossoms instead of explosions

cherry blossoms are kawaii
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on April 07, 2011, 10:07:48 PM
By lasting appeal, I mean anything that keeps the game from falling into the abyss of time. This is by no means associated to the company and not always linked to re-playability. Let me use a small example to demonstrate this:

How much fanart of ME2 is there per week? 10?
How much fanart of FF7 is there per week? 1000+
How much fanart of Touhou is there per week? 10,000+

Who do you think will survive the passage of time? Oh wait, the competition is at least 10 years older and still more alive.

I also doubt the people that got the game at release are still playing. I played it twice and I don't think I'll want to give it another run for a long long time.

Words cannot describe how I feel about your stupidity.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on April 07, 2011, 10:40:55 PM
By lasting appeal, I mean anything that keeps the game from falling into the abyss of time. This is by no means associated to the company and not always linked to re-playability. Let me use a small example to demonstrate this:

How much fanart of ME2 is there per week? 10?
How much fanart of FF7 is there per week? 1000+
How much fanart of Touhou is there per week? 10,000+

Who do you think will survive the passage of time? Oh wait, the competition is at least 10 years older and still more alive.

I also doubt the people that got the game at release are still playing. I played it twice and I don't think I'll want to give it another run for a long long time.
You're comparing lasting appeal with how much fanart there is?

I'd call you retarded, but I think that'd be sullying the good name of retards everywhere.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on April 07, 2011, 10:49:09 PM
Since that post was brought back up: I think it says more about the nature of the properties than whether or not they have lasting value. I doubt there's much fanart for, say, Baldur's Gate or Planescape Torment at all, and they're still regarded as pinnacles of RPGs.

There's two problems with this angle anyway; it's going off of the assumption that not playing now = no lasting value, and that this is the reason there's little response to release of DLC. Quite a few people may not want to get most DLC, right away at least, or heard that this was a fairly limp release and decided to just ignore it. I'll wait on a sale; I really wish more DLC came out at $5 rather than the seeming Microsoft mandated minimum of $7.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on April 08, 2011, 12:02:46 AM
Ironically Mass Effect 2 does have a shitton of fanart.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on April 08, 2011, 12:31:38 AM
Ironically Mass Effect 2 does have a shitton of fanart.

This is another point: just HOW did he come to those conclusions? Is he tracking fanart as it pops up, does he see a certain type more, or is it pure bullshit? Not that I really doubt that there's more FFVII art and possibly Touhou art, but like I said that says more about the nature of the two properties than whether or not they're popular; do you see a lot of fanart for either Citizen Kane or Godfather?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on April 08, 2011, 12:39:50 AM
Ironically Mass Effect 2 does have a shitton of fanart.

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Meicyn/sa/259wig9.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on April 08, 2011, 12:48:12 AM
we even got the bad kind
(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/040/e/b/Garrus_Lovin_by_Makena.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Serene Prophet on April 08, 2011, 01:23:19 AM
What the hell are you talking about bad, that shit is hot!  Scuse me I gotta clean my pants.  What?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Dice on April 08, 2011, 01:28:55 AM
Love... transcends skin...scales.. whatever.... it's so lovely~!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on April 08, 2011, 01:36:31 AM
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that guy was ridiculous
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on April 08, 2011, 04:09:22 AM
I didn't even reply to that post because I honestly didn't know what to say.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on April 08, 2011, 04:21:19 AM
Someone posted the details revealed in game informer on gaf:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=426690 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=426690)

Lots of interesting nuggets. It has spoiler for the beginning of ME3 and also for Arrival.

 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on April 08, 2011, 04:41:47 AM
Mass Effect fanart? Yes please. (http://kotaku.com/#!5770896/dont-think-of-this-as-mass-effect-3-fan-art/gallery/1)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on April 08, 2011, 07:27:26 AM
Ashley is hotter:

(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee438/Battlepope190/1302234016819.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on April 08, 2011, 07:31:42 AM
I doubt there's much fanart for, say, Baldur's Gate or Planescape Torment at all, and they're still regarded as pinnacles of RPGs.

And also mostly forgotten. Lets face it, nobody plays those nowadays. I think they've been degraded to niche titles along the way.

I'm not saying fanart is the only factor for lasting appeal, but it's a descent example. Unless something keeps a game in people's mind, it'll be forgotten. Even if the game is great, people will just stop playing it because they've forgotten about it.
Super Maria Galaxy is a good game, yet no one plays it anymore. Did it get worst along time? Not really. It's just that people had time to forget about it and thus stopped playing it. (that and they made a sequel, so everyone plays the sequel instead)
There are tons of ways to keep things alive, like a powerful fanbase, DLC or expansions (or just look at WoW). Seeing how the last real thing that made people remember Mass Effect 2 was in September (Lair of the Shadow Broker), 8 months ago, the game kinda fell off the track a bit.
If I was watching a TV serie that released 1 episode every 6 months, I'd probably drop it and not care about the latest episode after a while. Especially if no one around me is even talking about that serie. Same reason why I'm not even sure I want to purchase the new DLC.
Looking at the latest Star Wars movies though, even if they were years apart (you literally could die before seeing the new trilogy), whenever one came out the whole fanbase rushed the movie theatres, word spread from there, and in the end tons of people saw it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on April 08, 2011, 09:19:52 AM
Ashley is hotter:

(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee438/Battlepope190/1302234016819.jpg)
I am so sorry I slept with Miranda.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on April 08, 2011, 04:23:02 PM
And also mostly forgotten. Lets face it, nobody plays those nowadays. I think they've been degraded to niche titles along the way.

You really don't have any idea what you're talking about. (http://www.gog.com/en/frontpage)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on April 08, 2011, 04:29:55 PM
Oh, Eusis, thanks for the refresher on what the Reapers do a few pages back.

It's been a while since I played and I blanked.



That guy's argument makes no sense, I wish he'd stop trolling this thread and go droll on his FF7 case
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on April 08, 2011, 04:48:46 PM
That guy's argument makes no sense, I wish he'd stop trolling this thread and go droll on his FF7 case

Ok, I see you guys disagree with my point of view, but I've been at the very least respectful and tried to explain myself without making harsh comments at the comeback (even if that seems to generate more hate against myself). At the very least I don't insult you. It would be good if you did the same.

Eusis - Maybe 'nobody' was a strong word, but wouldn't you agree that those two games are only played by an ever smaller group of people? Just the graphic distortion and stability issues of modern hardware make those games harsh to appreciate for anyone that did not play them when they were at their prime.

Guess I'll stay out of the "Mass Effect 3" thread. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: John on April 08, 2011, 04:58:50 PM
Annubis: that's true for ANY game, though.  Do you seriously think people are going back and playing Final Fantasy VII as brand new players today?  Of course not.  Just like the re-releases on GOG, the PSN releases of the FF titles were there to feed off of nostalgia.  Final Fantasy VII is a 3D title that lacks analog support.  That's fucking BRUTAL, just in the same way that running BG2 in 800x600 is brutal.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on April 08, 2011, 05:02:43 PM
...

I bought FFVII as a new player... Of course that was 4 years ago, but I've yet to play it far enough that I'd consider myself actually to have "played" it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on April 08, 2011, 05:03:54 PM
Even using the angle of newer FFVII-related releases can be turned around; Dragon Age did as well as it did partially because it was touted as the spiritual successor for Baldur's Gate for quite awhile. Also part of why people flipped out over DAII's direction, it wasn't really following the BG model as much at that point.

I'd also consider something like Guardian's Crusade and Eternal Eyes as games that REALLY are forgotten; I'd like to know how many remember those and didn't have to Google them! Hell, I forgot about Eternal Eyes until looking over the list of PS1 reviews here. The only RPG of Bioware's I think actually comes close to falling into this category would probably be Jade Empire, being relatively weak coming off of KotOR (I think only one IGN review was completely crazy about the game) and overshadowed a few years later by Mass Effect and Dragon Age. Well, and the Sonic RPG too, but that's just because it's Bioware's worst RPG.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on April 08, 2011, 05:07:19 PM
That guy's argument makes no sense, I wish he'd stop trolling this thread and go droll on his FF7 case

Ok, I see you guys disagree with my point of view, but I've been at the very least respectful and tried to explain myself without making harsh comments at the comeback (even if that seems to generate more hate against myself). At the very least I don't insult you. It would be good if you did the same.

Eusis - Maybe 'nobody' was a strong word, but wouldn't you agree that those two games are only played by an ever smaller group of people? Just the graphic distortion and stability issues of modern hardware make those games harsh to appreciate for anyone that did not play them when they were at their prime.

Guess I'll stay out of the "Mass Effect 3" thread. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Save the holier than thou routine. Coming into a thread and saying a game is irrelevant and not providing anything to the discussion of said game is the definition of troll. Especially when dealing with RPGs these are ALL games that are going to be played for a long time in some fashion or another, so they'll always be relevant to someone, somewhere. Who cares how much crappy fan art it gets?

If everyone around here went into a particular game's thread and declared it not worthy of the test of time in their opinion this place would be rather tiresome, but most people have some class
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on April 08, 2011, 05:30:28 PM
Sorry for actually posting again... but people replied.

Save the holier than thou routine.

No, else I'd probably get banned because of what I'd reply to you.

Lets go back in the context:
Someone way back a couple of pages said "Why hasn't anyone played the new DLC yet?"
To which I replied "ME2 doesn't have enough lasting appeal for people to swarm the latest DLC after this long"
Then it went into a shitstorm of me trying to explain why this game doesn't have the appeal needed to survive for a year and a half of sporadic DLC.

For other questions:
- Yes this happens to most every game, but then again, most games don't have DLC coming out years later. I guess the same thing happened with the last DLC of Mass Effect 1. I know I didn't purchase Pinnacle Station because by the time it came out, I didn't care much for Mass Effect 1 anymore since it had been at least a full year since I last played it.
- True, Baldur's Gate did help Dragon Age. I guess it is possible to re-ignite the appeal of a game. Although I'm not sure if that actually made people replay Baldur's Gate (as opposed to play DA:O)

REMOVED
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on April 08, 2011, 05:32:56 PM
ME2 was considered the best game of last year and its sequel is one of the most antecipated games of this generation, how the word "irrelevant" even appeared in this thread is beyond me.

Anyway, talking about things that matter, GI had some interesting bits of info.

"No multiplayer." If the game ends up disappointing people will have to find another scapegoat.

"The game will by default feature a "previously on Mass Effect" comic to make decisions with if starting from scratch." This is cool, a quick way to create new saves.

"Cerberus is out to kill Shepard" Looks like the IM lost his patience with Shepard, though this might not make sense depending on what you decided at the end of ME2.

"All classes can wield all weapons unhindered now, but will have limited slots to carry them." Fine by me.

"Skill trees will be larger, and powers will evolve several times instead of just once." Cool.

"Numerous endings, some good, some bad, and who you have in your squad and which allies you recruit can have a drastic effect on which are available." Like ME2, only this time we're talking about the conclusion of the entire saga, which makes it more relevant. I'm guessing the reapers can win if you mess up.



Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on April 08, 2011, 05:44:36 PM
- Yes this happens to most every game, but then again, most games don't have DLC coming out years later. I guess the same thing happened with the last DLC of Mass Effect 1. I know I didn't purchase Pinnacle Station because by the time it came out, I didn't care much for Mass Effect 1 anymore since it had been at least a full year since I last played it.

And like I said before the reception for the DLC was also somewhat underwhelming; this actually applies twofold for Pinnacle Station being that it is literally just a string of combat scenarios, which might fly for ME2 but not ME1's weak system.

Quote
Now, if that's enough, don't reply.

You don't get to tell people what they can/can't do. If you really want no replies then you'll have to actually stop replying so this trail ends here, at least it's turning back to ME and not remaining off topic.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on April 08, 2011, 06:14:50 PM
ME2 was considered the best game of last year and its sequel is one of the most antecipated games of this generation, how the word "irrelevant" even appeared in this thread is beyond me.

Anyway, talking about things that matter, GI had some interesting bits of info.

"No multiplayer." If the game ends up disappointing people will have to find another scapegoat.

"The game will by default feature a "previously on Mass Effect" comic to make decisions with if starting from scratch." This is cool, a quick way to create new saves.

"Cerberus is out to kill Shepard" Looks like the IM lost his patience with Shepard, though this might not make sense depending on what you decided at the end of ME2.

"All classes can wield all weapons unhindered now, but will have limited slots to carry them." Fine by me.

"Skill trees will be larger, and powers will evolve several times instead of just once." Cool.

"Numerous endings, some good, some bad, and who you have in your squad and which allies you recruit can have a drastic effect on which are available." Like ME2, only this time we're talking about the conclusion of the entire saga, which makes it more relevant. I'm guessing the reapers can win if you mess up.





Guy's didnt you know the anecdotal evidence of Annubis is the authority on gaming? I mean shit, if he never saw Mass Effect 2's abundant fan art, it obviously doesn't exist. Final Fantasy 7 has far more hentai therefor it is superior to Baldur's Gate 2.

http://apps.metacritic.com/games/platforms/psx/finalfantasy7
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/baldurs-gate-ii-shadows-of-amn

lol
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on April 08, 2011, 06:20:49 PM
ME2 was considered the best game of last year and its sequel is one of the most antecipated games of this generation, how the word "irrelevant" even appeared in this thread is beyond me.

Anyway, talking about things that matter, GI had some interesting bits of info.

"No multiplayer." If the game ends up disappointing people will have to find another scapegoat.

"The game will by default feature a "previously on Mass Effect" comic to make decisions with if starting from scratch." This is cool, a quick way to create new saves.

"Cerberus is out to kill Shepard" Looks like the IM lost his patience with Shepard, though this might not make sense depending on what you decided at the end of ME2.

"All classes can wield all weapons unhindered now, but will have limited slots to carry them." Fine by me.

"Skill trees will be larger, and powers will evolve several times instead of just once." Cool.

"Numerous endings, some good, some bad, and who you have in your squad and which allies you recruit can have a drastic effect on which are available." Like ME2, only this time we're talking about the conclusion of the entire saga, which makes it more relevant. I'm guessing the reapers can win if you mess up.





I wonder how they're going to do skills for people importing saves. Me1->Me2 was done in a certain way to make sense for a reset in skill levels, interesting to see how they'll handle that in 3.


Also, since you have a squad of people and if you did all the missions they should be loyal. Hopefully this lengthens the critical game path over ME2 where the big bulk of the game was party building.

I just hope the Hanar are featured. I love those things
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on April 09, 2011, 01:27:19 PM
Fan art FTW:

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/023/3/3/liara_by_behnkestudio-d37vm4e.jpg)

Fuck...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on April 11, 2011, 11:59:23 AM
ME2 was considered the best game of last year and its sequel is one of the most antecipated games of this generation, how the word "irrelevant" even appeared in this thread is beyond me.

Anyway, talking about things that matter, GI had some interesting bits of info.

"No multiplayer." If the game ends up disappointing people will have to find another scapegoat.

"The game will by default feature a "previously on Mass Effect" comic to make decisions with if starting from scratch." This is cool, a quick way to create new saves.

"Cerberus is out to kill Shepard" Looks like the IM lost his patience with Shepard, though this might not make sense depending on what you decided at the end of ME2.

"All classes can wield all weapons unhindered now, but will have limited slots to carry them." Fine by me.

"Skill trees will be larger, and powers will evolve several times instead of just once." Cool.

"Numerous endings, some good, some bad, and who you have in your squad and which allies you recruit can have a drastic effect on which are available." Like ME2, only this time we're talking about the conclusion of the entire saga, which makes it more relevant. I'm guessing the reapers can win if you mess up.





Damn, I can't wait to play this! Considering that my ME2 save file got corrupted, I'll have to use the comic for my decisions. Bummer.

That pic of Liara is awesome.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on April 11, 2011, 12:23:51 PM
You might want to try masseffectsaves (http://www.masseffect2saves.com/)
They might have one that is similar to what you did.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on April 20, 2011, 08:36:55 PM
Just saw the new screenshots. If Cerberus had those heavy armored soldiers, why didn't the IM send at least one to help? Instead we got Jacob. Or maybe they are part of another cell? Or those super soldiers form ME, now enhanced with reaper tech. Oh, the possibilities.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Der Jermeister on April 20, 2011, 09:09:27 PM
I recently finished the original Mass Effect, and I can safely say it's one of the best Western RPGs I've ever played, and I'm definitely looking forward to playing its sequel, and eventually the third game as long as the developers didn't fuck things up.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on April 20, 2011, 09:17:32 PM
I recently finished the original Mass Effect, and I can safely say it's one of the best Western RPGs I've ever played, and I'm definitely looking forward to playing its sequel, and eventually the third game as long as the developers didn't fuck things up.

Oh god the gameplay in ME2 is going to blow you away.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on April 20, 2011, 09:19:27 PM
I recently finished the original Mass Effect, and I can safely say it's one of the best Western RPGs I've ever played, and I'm definitely looking forward to playing its sequel, and eventually the third game as long as the developers didn't fuck things up.

I haven't played ME1 so I can't compare.

But ME2 is honestly the best thing I've played since... I don't even know when. I hope you play it ASAP.. or that you are already.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on April 20, 2011, 09:24:00 PM
This thread reminds me, I have to finish ME so I can play ME2. Damn you Xenosaga and your turn-based actions! Why would you DARE take me away from Mass Effect?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on April 20, 2011, 09:26:30 PM
....You left Mass Effect for Xenosaga?

I am saddened to hear this news.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on April 20, 2011, 09:29:14 PM
....You left Mass Effect for Xenosaga?

I am saddened to hear this news.

I didn't leave, I forgot. I have that tendency.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on April 20, 2011, 11:50:29 PM
....You left Mass Effect for Xenosaga?

I am saddened to hear this news.

I didn't leave, I forgot. I have that tendency.

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

YOU WILL NOW COMPLETE THE MASS EFFECT SERIES AND ITS DLC UP TO ME3
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on April 20, 2011, 11:50:51 PM
Which also makes me sad.

Of course, I have no room to talk - I forgot about Mass Effect 2 for 2.5 months.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on April 21, 2011, 01:48:44 AM
Man, I at least hope he's on Xenosaga III here. Playing II instead of either Mass Effect, that WOULD be a shame.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on April 21, 2011, 09:44:20 AM
When I played the first Mass Effect game for the first time, I took no notice of slowness or poor pacing. I was so immersed into the storyline and world that I took no note of how long it took to get off the Citadel. Mass Effect and Bioware games in general really pander to people who love to be engaged not only in fictional games, but fictional worlds entirely.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on April 21, 2011, 11:52:26 AM
The music on the Presidium is just fantastic


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG7NtjBSEEE


Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on April 21, 2011, 12:57:39 PM
When I played the first Mass Effect game for the first time, I took no notice of slowness or poor pacing. I was so immersed into the storyline and world that I took no note of how long it took to get off the Citadel. Mass Effect and Bioware games in general really pander to people who love to be engaged not only in fictional games, but fictional worlds entirely.

The first time I played Mass Effect I had a headache and ended up putting it aside. Only for a few weeks though, then I really got into it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on April 21, 2011, 02:50:28 PM
I loaned out my copy of ME1 to a friend who just got an xbox. He played Fallout 3 and said he'd play ME next. Well all he does now is play New Vegas.

Asshole. I want my copy back!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on April 21, 2011, 03:19:16 PM
Assume direct control. Go take it back.

I put down ME2 and ended up getting distracted by other games. I am glad that I didn't play it in the middle of studies/research/a pretty busy time in general.

Now comes the challenge of playing ME1, which is what I really really want to do before ME3. Without a PC or Xbox 360, this may prove a tad difficult.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on April 21, 2011, 03:59:25 PM
I haven't really read too much, but I'd just like to respond to Eusis and Sagacious-T's messages to me.

@Eusis: Episode 1, I haven't started Episode 2 yet. I might just watch an LP for it if the gameplay really is as bad as I hear.

@Sagacious-T: My XBox has been doing it's best to destroy the Mass Effect disc (and yes, I've tried to get ME and ME2 on PC, but Steam gave me a dud file so I had to get a refund (or rather, negate the charges)). And I don't have Live, so no DLC for me.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Fei on April 21, 2011, 10:43:57 PM
I don't have the rabies for Mass Effect 3.  Mass Effect 2 was too different of an experience from #1.  Gameplay improvements, yes, but I will play shooters if I want to play a shooter.  Klarth is now 100% focused on the mission?  What?

Still gonna buy it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on April 21, 2011, 10:57:56 PM
I don't have the rabies for Mass Effect 3.  Mass Effect 2 was too different of an experience from #1.  Gameplay improvements, yes, but I will play shooters if I want to play a shooter.  Klarth is now 100% focused on the mission?  What?

Still gonna buy it.

Meh, while ME2 went too far in streamlining I still find something like ME2's gameplay far more appealing than CoD or Gears of War, at least when the core shooting mechanics are solid.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Fei on April 21, 2011, 11:05:57 PM
Carth*

I actually agree, Eusis.  It just seems like the gun action is why ME2 is heralded.  The dialogue or writing was as good or better too, but the actual plot didn't addict me.  The beacon business in ME1, and the reaper (reapeR!) had me interested and addicted... ME2 was too much of "whenever I'm ready for more, the game is ready"

I'm submissive.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on April 21, 2011, 11:23:07 PM
Well, at least I'm assuming ME3 does more to move the main plot than ME2 did. By the way, what I said can apply to games like Bioshock, I think I just like it best when there's some degree of exploration and customization, even if it's not very heavy; certainly it made River City Ransom the one beat 'em up I REALLY liked and practically nothing else in the genre's appealed to me much.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 22, 2011, 07:52:39 AM
Holy. Crap. (http://patryk-garrett.deviantart.com/gallery/29347118#/d3dwo5y) :O

The gallery of this dude is amazing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on April 22, 2011, 08:03:56 AM
Holy. Crap. (http://patryk-garrett.deviantart.com/gallery/29347118#/d3dwo5y) :O

The gallery of this dude is amazing.

Wow...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on April 22, 2011, 12:15:38 PM
Holy. Crap. (http://patryk-garrett.deviantart.com/gallery/29347118#/d3dwo5y) :O

The gallery of this dude is amazing.

But Mass Effect isn't supposed to have any fan art! lol
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on April 22, 2011, 02:43:47 PM
Carth*

I actually agree, Eusis.  It just seems like the gun action is why ME2 is heralded.  The dialogue or writing was as good or better too, but the actual plot didn't addict me.  The beacon business in ME1, and the reaper (reapeR!) had me interested and addicted... ME2 was too much of "whenever I'm ready for more, the game is ready"

I'm submissive.

That's one of the things I'm not so fond of in ME2. Shepard was railroaded in the story. The IM was like "Sure Shepard, you always have an option" but you never did. You always had to go where you were told to. At least in ME the council could care less were you went and what you did.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: xellos2099 on April 22, 2011, 04:32:14 PM
I just beat mass effect 2 the other day, it is good but not great.  It seems like 80% of the game was all going getting party member and do their loyalty mission and 3 story mission and then final mission.   In comparison Mass Effect 1 feel it got a lot more time devoted to the main stories than mass effect 2 did. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Fei on April 22, 2011, 06:27:44 PM
I forgot the main reason I posted in here... I was trying to figure out why I am not a rabid fan, yet 100% sure to buy ME3.  Is it because the gameplay is what is so great about these games, and there is little else to chew on when you aren't playing?

When I tell my friends about Bioware games, I always say "you get to make some crazy choices" but I don't give examples.  Think of when people tell a dumb story but say "you had to have been there".  

Is it an age thing maybe?  Haha, the fan art that was just posted couldn't have come from young kids... I mean it could have, but for the sake of conversation, that had to have come from someone older.

Or maybe I already know exactly what I'm going to get out of the experience... I may just be rambling about expectation, I'll stop now.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on April 26, 2011, 07:00:00 AM
First in-game pics (guess what, it looks like Mass Effect):

http://www.eurogamer.net/gallery.php?game_id=12736&article_id=1353102#anchor (http://www.eurogamer.net/gallery.php?game_id=12736&article_id=1353102#anchor)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 and
Post by: Ashton on April 26, 2011, 07:08:07 AM
I forgot the main reason I posted in here... I was trying to figure out why I am not a rabid fan, yet 100% sure to buy ME3.  Is it because the gameplay is what is so great about these games, and there is little else to chew on when you aren't playing?
I suspect the reason is the same as all of us, because you've molded Shepard into your own character, with his/her own distinct personality and choices, and want to see how it all ends.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Itches on April 26, 2011, 08:46:21 AM
I read the article in the latest Game Informer and it's pretty good. It sounds like the gameplay is being streamlined a little bit more to have Gears or War style cover mechanics. The are bringing back more of the RPG elements in way of customization by having skills with more than just two final upgrade options per skill. You will also be able to customize your weapons by selecting different weapon parts.

One thing they said and I'm not sure how I feel about it, is that every class can use every weapon in the game, but you can only carry two weapons with you at a time unless you're a Soldier (then you can carry all of them). It might be alright but I can't realistically see anyone bring a Pistol with them unless they buff the Pistol.

What they said about the story is that there is a definite sense of helplessness to it at the beginning. In ME2 you had to recruit individual people to fight alongside you, but if ME3 you have to convince entire races. They said that some races can't afford to help you because they are already in a war and can't give in, unless you can do something to stop the war. ME3 is basically going to be where all your decisions from the first two games come into play.

I'll take another look at the article when I have it in front of me to see if I missed anything important.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on April 26, 2011, 10:34:55 AM
I don't know about anyone else but I used the pistol a TON in me1/2.

I wonder what happens if
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just about everyone died at the end of 2??

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on April 26, 2011, 10:42:41 AM
I think I've read somewhere that only successful last mission can be imported to ME3.
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How many people can you lose while still being successful?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on April 26, 2011, 10:45:29 AM
One thing they said and I'm not sure how I feel about it, is that every class can use every weapon in the game, but you can only carry two weapons with you at a time unless you're a Soldier (then you can carry all of them). It might be alright but I can't realistically see anyone bring a Pistol with them unless they buff the Pistol.
That really depends. If your class does not have the skills necessary to use certain weapons effectively (Sentinels, for example, can only use pistols and SMGs pre-upgrade), it makes more sense to bring in a pistol which you can use effectively than an assault rifle which you cannot. I mean, try using an assault rifle as a sentinel in ME1, it's impossible. Besides that, each class outside of Soldier has abilities that are weapons unto themselves (tech and biotics), which can be infinitely more effective than weapons - as an Adept you're pretty much never at a loss, offensive-wise, because even with no ammo left you can throw out shockwaves and singularities and wait out the cooldown timer. It pretty much depends on how they balance weapon usage among classes.

I assume that, like in ME2, there will be a mid-game upgrade that allows you to carry another weapon or upgrade one existing weapon type.

I think I've read somewhere that only successful last mission can be imported to ME3.
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How many people can you lose while still being successful?
Technically, 10. Maybe 11.

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You need the last two people to hoist you into the Normandy, and I've never had only one person in my party survive.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 and
Post by: Eusis on April 26, 2011, 01:25:14 PM
I forgot the main reason I posted in here... I was trying to figure out why I am not a rabid fan, yet 100% sure to buy ME3.  Is it because the gameplay is what is so great about these games, and there is little else to chew on when you aren't playing?
I suspect the reason is the same as all of us, because you've molded Shepard into your own character, with his/her own distinct personality and choices, and want to see how it all ends.

Yeah, many of us have already invested a lot into the game and now want to go through that last leg of the journey.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: John on April 26, 2011, 01:41:52 PM
One thing they said and I'm not sure how I feel about it, is that every class can use every weapon in the game, but you can only carry two weapons with you at a time unless you're a Soldier (then you can carry all of them). It might be alright but I can't realistically see anyone bring a Pistol with them unless they buff the Pistol.

A couple of the pistols in the second game were very powerful.  One or two shots to the head and the enemy was down, and it was more effective than me using a shotgun or sniper rifle at medium range.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on April 26, 2011, 02:02:16 PM
Yeah, I actually used pistols quite a bit, they were fine in most situations.

I only invested in ME2, but at the same time got really invested there; spent about 57 hours including all the DLC and loyalty missions. I can only imagine how much those who played both games, are looking forward to ME3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Itches on April 26, 2011, 08:32:53 PM
Don't get me wrong, I used the pistol a lot as well, but I feel that's more because I couldn't use other weapons effectively. If I could train in any weapons then odds are I wouldn't pick Pistol as one of my weapons, but that's just me. The impression I got from the article is that any class can use any weapon viably, although they never specifically said if there were class specific weapon skills you can train in like ME1 so that may still be around.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on May 04, 2011, 02:11:11 PM
according to Bioware on FB ME3 is now being released in 2012 :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on May 04, 2011, 03:11:47 PM
I think bioware just killed my 2011.Apart from the Dragon Age 2 disaster,this delay of Mass Effect 2 really killed it.

EA is about to find out what happens when you piss me off.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Starmongoose on May 04, 2011, 03:15:39 PM
A strongly worded youtube comment?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on May 04, 2011, 03:29:10 PM
I'm bummed... but I want them to get this shit right. As long as we're not talking last guardian or duke nukem delays I'm fine.

there's still so much in 2011 I'll be busy
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on May 04, 2011, 04:11:30 PM
I think bioware just killed my 2011.Apart from the Dragon Age 2 disaster,this delay of Mass Effect 2 really killed it.

EA is about to find out what happens when you piss me off.

Half of the reason everyone was disappointed with Dragon Age 2 was the fact it was rushed. Do you REALLY want that to happen with ME3 just to play it this year?

Totally expected this to happen by the way.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on May 04, 2011, 04:22:41 PM
There are too many great games this year anyway, 2012 needs some love. I don't think I have anything on my radar for the first trimester so I guess it's not bad.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on May 04, 2011, 04:27:23 PM
Hopefully they're tweaking the hell out of Mako physics
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on May 04, 2011, 04:46:51 PM
I'm bummed... but I want them to get this shit right. As long as we're not talking last guardian or duke nukem delays I'm fine.

there's still so much in 2011 I'll be busy
Exactly. I would have loved to have played it this year, but will happily wait a few extra months for an even better game. Plenty of other good games coming out to tide me over.
Now if Uncharted 3 gets delayed, too...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on May 04, 2011, 05:03:32 PM
I'll probably still be playing summer games by the time Uncharted 3 is released. I don't know how long Catherine and Deus EX are but Dark Souls and Infamous 2 will be huge, then there's Resistance 3 in September... Fucking insane. I want to be done with these by the time U3 arrives.
Having ME3 and U3 releasing so close to each other wasn't really ideal for me, this works out great.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Prime Mover on May 04, 2011, 05:26:22 PM
I dunno, 2011 is looking less and less awesome. Portal 2 and LA Noire are really the only ones I've been excited about. Is Zelda coming out this year?

2012 is going to be amazing. The Last Guardian, Bioshock Infinite, ME3, probably the beginning of the tripple-A 3DS titles, launch of the NGP. 2011 is going to be weak in comparison.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on May 04, 2011, 05:36:46 PM
As a fan of Blizzard games, I'm happy that they take the time they need to.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on May 04, 2011, 05:38:03 PM
I think bioware just killed my 2011.Apart from the Dragon Age 2 disaster,this delay of Mass Effect 2 really killed it.

EA is about to find out what happens when you piss me off.

Half of the reason everyone was disappointed with Dragon Age 2 was the fact it was rushed. Do you REALLY want that to happen with ME3 just to play it this year?
Definitely not. I'm actually pretty happy with the delay, it gives BioWare more time. And now I've got more time to find a way to play ME1... Then 2 again.

Among other games. Maybe.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on May 04, 2011, 05:38:45 PM
I think bioware just killed my 2011.Apart from the Dragon Age 2 disaster,this delay of Mass Effect 2 really killed it.

EA is about to find out what happens when you piss me off.

Half of the reason everyone was disappointed with Dragon Age 2 was the fact it was rushed. Do you REALLY want that to happen with ME3 just to play it this year?

Totally expected this to happen by the way.

No no no Dragon Age 2 had poor execution of most of its ideas from the start.Having the entire story based on just Kirkwall was pure laziness from bioware's part.Add in the silly Rivalry/Romance system,unusual art direction,repetitive combat system and no amount of "polish" could save that mess.My guess is that bioware spreads out too much of their talent working on DLC.

I know Mass Effect 3 will be good since bioware hasn't said anything about "starting from scratch" with Mass Effect 3.Dragon Age 1 was fine as it was,there was no need to scrap it and start over,but bioware was insistent on tossing everything they did right in 2.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on May 04, 2011, 06:27:36 PM
I bet Mass Effect 3 was pushed back to make room for Star Wars: The Old Republic.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on May 04, 2011, 06:42:26 PM
I bet Mass Effect 3 was pushed back to make room for Star Wars: The Old Republic.

Funny you should mention that,Parn.

http://www.1up.com/news/star-wars-the-old-republic-could-slip-212
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on May 04, 2011, 06:45:47 PM
Fuck my life.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Kevadu on May 04, 2011, 08:07:35 PM
No no no Dragon Age 2 had poor execution of most of its ideas from the start.Having the entire story based on just Kirkwall was pure laziness from bioware's part.

Come on, Dragon Age 2 definitely has its issues (like the constant reuse of the same maps and enemies spawning out of nowhere in a way that makes it impossible to have a coherent strategy), but this is probably my favorite aspect of the game.  Telling the tale of how a city changes over an extend period of time is something actually different and interesting.  DA:O, by comparison, was telling an incredibly generic man vs. obvious evil story.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on May 04, 2011, 08:49:04 PM
Kirkwall in its entirety is larger than all the towns in the first game. The problem with Dragon Age 2 was in its repetitive and reused dungeon layouts, which unwittingly caused the battle system to suffer; instead of the thought out enemy placement in the first game, the enemies appear out of nowhere and most battles become a free for all instead of having to use your abilities intelligently.

The story was great, especially during the final conflict, where they tease you with a third option then promptly take it away, but the non-ending and year long spaces between acts makes the story feel disjointed.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Farron on May 04, 2011, 08:54:46 PM
I was really not surprised by it being pushed at all. Not to mention the tons of big games already announced for the end of the year with yet more come, Eletronic Arts themselves have quite a bunch, including Battlefield 3 which they claim will bring down COD. While Mass Effect is great I'm not sure how it would do, at least on the first months if released so close to a lot of blockbusters.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on May 04, 2011, 10:18:44 PM
I dunno, 2011 is looking less and less awesome. Portal 2 and LA Noire are really the only ones I've been excited about. Is Zelda coming out this year?

2012 is going to be amazing. The Last Guardian, Bioshock Infinite, ME3, probably the beginning of the tripple-A 3DS titles, launch of the NGP. 2011 is going to be weak in comparison.

This is why I avoid saying things like "2011 will be the best year ever!" and point out you won't really know until the dust has settled, some of the most promising game coming out may get delayed, or turn out to be crap, or you realize the year really is emptier than it seemed. At the same time I can't write it off yet, there's already been some REALLY strong releases and who knows what E3 will bring? Oh, and I'm pretty sure that Zelda will be out this year or made into a launch Project Cafe game. I'm hoping it's the former just because the Wii needs its own distinctive Zelda rather than a leftover from the GC.

No no no Dragon Age 2 had poor execution of most of its ideas from the start.Having the entire story based on just Kirkwall was pure laziness from bioware's part.Add in the silly Rivalry/Romance system,unusual art direction,repetitive combat system and no amount of "polish" could save that mess.My guess is that bioware spreads out too much of their talent working on DLC.

I know Mass Effect 3 will be good since bioware hasn't said anything about "starting from scratch" with Mass Effect 3.Dragon Age 1 was fine as it was,there was no need to scrap it and start over,but bioware was insistent on tossing everything they did right in 2.

While the development of the game was definitely dubious some of those choices are clearly due to thinking ahead for a game they can reasonably make and finish by early 2011. If they had another year or even two I imagine it would've taken place across the Free Marches, less focus on waves and filler quests to bolster length, etc. And reusing the same environments is clearly symptomatic of being rushed and making due with what they had, they outright stated it was that or a very short game. Think they should've just gone with a very short, but tightly designed, game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on May 04, 2011, 11:08:07 PM
I was really not surprised by it being pushed at all. Not to mention the tons of big games already announced for the end of the year with yet more come, Eletronic Arts themselves have quite a bunch, including Battlefield 3 which they claim will bring down COD. While Mass Effect is great I'm not sure how it would do, at least on the first months if released so close to a lot of blockbusters.

Whenever a game is touted as a (insertbigserieshere)-killer, it always fails to be one. Battlefield is one of the closest COD competitors, but I think that with 3 they're trying TOO hard to... well, compete. Claims like this and statements like 'we want to show that we can do what they can' - I wish they would just focus on making a good game instead, and not on the competition so much.

Besides, Call of Duty will die on its own when Activision runs it into the ground.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Spoony Mage on May 05, 2011, 12:24:41 AM
according to Bioware on FB ME3 is now being released in 2012 :(
Yay!  More time to get through Mass Effect 1 & 2!  Plus, that's one less distraction to watching the girlfriend play Skyrim.  :P

I still don't get all the hate towards Dragon Age 2.  I love the hell out of it, repetitive dungeons and all.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on May 05, 2011, 01:23:14 AM
Oh fuck Krogan Husks!

http://kotaku.com/#!5798810/these-mass-effect-3-screenshots-arent-saving-the-human-race/gallery/3
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: DPB on May 05, 2011, 05:40:13 PM
I still don't get all the hate towards Dragon Age 2.  I love the hell out of it, repetitive dungeons and all.

The same for me too. I can see that it has its problems, but it's a game that's more than sum of its parts. The things that I like about it outweigh the bad parts so much that they end up seeming like minor issues.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on May 05, 2011, 06:45:47 PM
Dragon Age 2 sucked

anyways ME3 will own even though it's delayed to Q1 2012 :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on May 11, 2011, 08:59:58 PM
http://m.kotaku.com/5800972/five-new-mass-effect-3-details-you-might-want-to-hear

50 foot Cerberus mech? Future Vancouver? Sold.

My desire to see a future Sacramento is still unfulfilled though. :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on May 11, 2011, 09:05:49 PM
I've seen people complain about having even more of the game take place on Earth, but... well, as I see it a lot of the appeal with science fiction isn't just alien worlds, but also seeing how ours changes, and I assume we'll still see plenty of other worlds anyway.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on May 11, 2011, 09:56:30 PM
Seriously, a futuristic version of my city in one of my favourite game series? Sweeeeeeet.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on May 11, 2011, 11:54:36 PM
I'm digging on this
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on May 16, 2011, 03:20:45 AM
http://m.kotaku.com/5800972/five-new-mass-effect-3-details-you-might-want-to-hear

50 foot Cerberus mech? Future Vancouver? Sold.

My desire to see a future Sacramento is still unfulfilled though. :(


Rereading the link to the Bioware forum, I guess it's actually a 15 foot cerberus mech.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect/Mass-Effect-General-Discussion-NO-SPOILERS-ALLOWED/Xbox-World-Magazine-ME3-info-ULTRA-Spoilerific-7352856-1.html

The Reapers are going to blow up my city. Awesome.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on May 16, 2011, 05:39:52 AM
I wish they would, instead of having one large or one small squad, have a limited number of spaces and people join or don't join depending on your actions and decisions.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Prime Mover on May 17, 2011, 03:52:05 PM
My desire to see a future Sacramento is still unfulfilled though. :(

Here ya go:

(http://www.ericbarker.com/dropbox/futuresacramento.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on May 17, 2011, 05:37:54 PM
Dodge Mass Effect 3's myriad sidequests and you'll be punished with an unsatisfying endgame, developer BioWare has revealed.

Executive producer Casey Hudson told PC Gamer that players who take the time to explore the game will be rewarded with an "amazing" conclusion.

"If you do a little side quest, or you go off and do a major plot, these things contribute to the war effort," he explained.

"If you just rip straight down the critical path and try and finish the game as soon as you can, and do very little optional or side stuff, then you can finish the game. You can have some kind of ending and victory, but it'll be a lot more brutal and minimal relative to if you do a lot of stuff.

"If you really build a lot of stuff and bring people to your side and rally the entire galaxy around you, and you come into the end game with that, then you'll get an amazing, very definitive ending."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-17-skip-me3-sidequests-get-minimal-ending (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-17-skip-me3-sidequests-get-minimal-ending)


Cool.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Prime Mover on May 17, 2011, 06:01:10 PM
As long as it's not:

Collect every single hidden widget, or the ending will wish you'd never been born, SuikoV style... I'll be okay.

Basically ME2 did the same thing: Play the side quest or watch people DIE.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on May 18, 2011, 12:35:06 AM
My desire to see a future Sacramento is still unfulfilled though. :(

Here ya go:

(http://www.ericbarker.com/dropbox/futuresacramento.jpg)


fucking gold lol
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on June 13, 2011, 07:40:18 AM
I might get the collector's edition if the price is right. It has some nice items.

(http://www.rpgsite.net/images/art/275/me3_n7_contents.jpg)

I'm surprised that Miranda doesn't seem to have any relevant role in this game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on June 13, 2011, 08:43:16 AM
I never, ever buy collectors editions of ANYthing, but this....this is tempting. Too bad it's so damn far away. I can't believe they already have this figured out.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on June 13, 2011, 09:45:26 AM
Yay for metal cases.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on June 13, 2011, 10:14:49 AM
The case looks hot, throw in an art book, a comic book and the soundtrack (plus all the other stuff) and it becomes pretty hard to resist.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on June 13, 2011, 11:16:22 AM
even though she'll probably be on the back of the case, I'm glad FemShep is on there.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lard on June 13, 2011, 11:27:30 AM
When is the GOTY edtion of ME2 coming out? That's what I want to know.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Maxximum on June 13, 2011, 11:36:59 AM
I can't believe they already have this figured out.

Course they have it figured out. The game is probably done and now the brainiacs at EA are just trying to figure out how much stuff they can strip down for DLC without breaking the main quest too much... Id say they didn't learn anything from the DA2 fiasco, but I know that's not true. They learned that they can release a sub par rushed sequel with day 0 DLC and it will STILL sell like hot cookies.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on June 13, 2011, 11:54:47 AM
The collector's edition is $80 US. No way in hell am I passing that up.

http://www.rpgfan.com/previews/Mass_Effect_3/

Game looked great at E3. Sure, it looked like a bigger Mass Effect 2, but the graphics improved a bit and I like the idea of a heavy melee class, and the other stuff they changed. Gonna be really interesting to see how it handles old and new romances.

The end of the demo was incredibly depressing.

When is the GOTY edtion of ME2 coming out? That's what I want to know.

This is what I want to know too - for the 360 I plan to have by the end of the year (and for which I also want to buy ME1).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on June 15, 2011, 08:46:12 AM
Looks like MP is pretty much confirmed, ah well, whatever.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on June 15, 2011, 01:31:45 PM
Where?

I haven't seen anything of the sort mentioned other than BioWare saying that no, there won't be an MMO. I suppose MP was inevitable since it's getting into pretty much every game now, but you can always choose to stay away from it.

Re: Miranda
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Cerberus is against you, and I know people here love her but I'm hardcore hoping you get the choice to kill her. :-) I haven't seen Jacob either for that matter.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on June 15, 2011, 01:42:33 PM
They're rumors, but it was posted on Neogaf. Here it is. (http://tbreak.com/megamers/29135/news/e3-11-exclusive-first-mass-effect-3-multiplayer-details/)

I swear, if this is true AND was the reason for it being delayed then all the multiplayer bashing will be fully justified. Hell, if it's like that then I expect it to be one of the most pointless, phoned in multiplayer modes ever created.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on June 15, 2011, 01:45:54 PM
Where?

I haven't seen anything of the sort mentioned other than BioWare saying that no, there won't be an MMO. I suppose MP was inevitable since it's getting into pretty much every game now, but you can always choose to stay away from it.

Re: Miranda
Code: [Select]
Cerberus is against you, and I know people here love her but I'm hardcore hoping you get the choice to kill her. :-) I haven't seen Jacob either for that matter.

Code: [Select]
If you choose to destroy the base she tell the IM to fuck off and stays on your side. I'm carrying over my save from ME2 so they better not pretend it didn't happen.
As for the MP thing, there's this:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/306312/news/bioware-were-exploring-multiplayer-for-all-of-our-games/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/306312/news/bioware-were-exploring-multiplayer-for-all-of-our-games/)

Here's a transcript of the important part taken from that gaf post:

Ray Muzyka: "We're exploring multiplayer modalities for all of our games. We're interested in the idea, but, you know, we have nothing to announce on that front on the show today."
CVG: "But, is it something you can say is definitely not in Mass Effect 3?"
Ray Muzyka: "No, we have nothing to announce today at E3. We're announcing a lot of features here, there's a lot of cool stuff, and we're always looking forward to the future where we can talk about more things."

If it didn't have MP he would just say it, what would be the point of all the mistery? It probably just wasn't in a playable state so they decided not to show it at E3, they know that the first impression will be crucial.

Besides, info provided by so called "inside sources" is popping up all over the net, too much smoke to not be fire. Just the fact that they changed their stance from a "NO" to the statement above is enough.



Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on June 15, 2011, 01:49:11 PM
If they delayed ME3 for this... groan. I sure as hell hope not, I hope there's other reasons too. Like not rushing a game a la Dragon Age 2.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on June 15, 2011, 01:57:25 PM
If they delayed ME3 for this... groan. I sure as hell hope not, I hope there's other reasons too. Like not rushing a game a la Dragon Age 2.

I dunno, would they really "rush" it? Considering that their stance on MP changed from an absolute "no" to "stay tuned" my guess is that they decided to include it halfway through the development cycle. Maybe pressure from EA?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on June 15, 2011, 02:00:06 PM
Probably, because every fucking game needs multiplayer these days and execs love to throw on more bulletpoints!

I don't really mind if they don't lead to delays like this, it's smartly intertwined with the game, and/or there's just a lot of potential for interesting play, but it feels like it's an arbitrary decision rather than a smart call based on what the game is notably lacking or can at least benefit from significantly.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on June 15, 2011, 02:03:27 PM
Quote
It will also have the regular modes such as Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch and Capture the Flag.

Capture the Krogan
Instead of flags you'll be grabbing and fighting over Krogans, and every so often one of them will freak out, requiring you to administer a little reassuring slap on the butt to bring him back to his senses.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on June 15, 2011, 02:06:09 PM
I'm 99% sure it was EA. :( Either way, we won't know til BioWare actually says there's MP. As long as the main game is still awesome. That's all I want.

Not that I hate multiplayer, but damnit, that's why I play BF and CoD. Not Mass Effect.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on June 15, 2011, 02:07:12 PM
Quote
It will also have the regular modes such as Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch and Capture the Flag.

Capture the Krogan
Instead of flags you'll be grabbing and fighting over Krogans, and every so often one of them will freak out, requiring you to administer a little reassuring slap on the butt to bring him back to his senses.

I'd be willing to wait an extra year or that.

I don't know how ME2 played (I was only a few hours in before the XBox went haywire), but from what I've played of ME1 I think multiplayer could be great if they balanced everything out and found a way to make powers work without pausing the game (ME2 had better hotwiring, so it could be that, but I always preferred to pause the game for powers, so I never used it).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on June 17, 2011, 05:58:07 PM
"This is not the end of the Mass Effect franchise by any means," BioWare boss Ray Muzyka said.

"We have more things planned. We're laser-focused on making sure Mass Effect 3 is awesome and epic and intense on a galactic scale, and we want to provide a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy."
"But also it's a beginning on a brand new adventure," Muzyka continued. "The galaxy is at war. It's a beginning as well as a conclusion."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-17-me3-a-beginning-and-a-conclusion (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-17-me3-a-beginning-and-a-conclusion)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on June 17, 2011, 07:23:42 PM
It needs to be the end of Shepard's story though. There's plenty to do in the ME universe, but as long as this story arc ends as BioWare had planned back when they started Mass Effect.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on June 19, 2011, 12:30:01 PM
If ME3 has coop multiplayer like in Splinter Cell Conviction that expands on the backstory and background events happening while the story in the main game is taking place, I'd be all for it.

Competitive Multiplayer, though... I think EA has proven with Dead Space 2 it has no fucking clue how to do multiplayer in regards to certain games.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on July 04, 2011, 12:42:01 PM
Some new tidbits

http://kotaku.com/5817782/mass-effect-3s-makers-arent-ready-for-talis-closeup

Quote
We changed Tali—that was tough because people were very passionate about her. A lot of people want to have her face revealed and obviously people are going to be pissed off either way.

The perfect way to handle this would be to leave the choice to the player. I seriously don't want to see. The mystery has always been the best part of this issue. It's like the TV show Home Improvement. How many people were bummed when in the last episode they showed Wilson's face and he was just a plain Joe.

Quote
One detail is settled: Shepard will have the opportunity to punch a reporter, again.

Fyeah!


EDIT: read the first comment too, it is full of win.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on July 04, 2011, 01:05:51 PM
Having the option to see her as a result of pursuing a romance or some sort of quest would be the way to go.

Tali, in my mind, is probably HOT
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on July 04, 2011, 01:17:58 PM
Tali is so fucking hot.
I hope they don't ruin her. DEM HIPS.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on July 04, 2011, 02:07:30 PM
Quote
One detail is settled: Shepard will have the opportunity to punch a reporter, again.

Oh please let it be the same reporter. Otherwise it wouldn't be the same. I imagine it is.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on July 04, 2011, 02:21:23 PM
The debates about Tali's face will be endless once it is revealed.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on July 05, 2011, 06:02:44 AM
New interview:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/310171/interviews/mass-effect-3-bioware-on-art-sound-and-sharing-with-dice/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/310171/interviews/mass-effect-3-bioware-on-art-sound-and-sharing-with-dice/)

I really hope that they can keep those promisses regarding level design.


This new Vega character looks retarded:

http://www.abload.de/img/me3_ce_alt_costumes_198u4k.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/me3_ce_alt_costumes_198u4k.jpg)

I like Ashley's new look, I always thought her face looked weird. Liara's new outfit is nice, but I liked the one from ME2 better.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on July 05, 2011, 11:08:45 AM
God Ashley has become one fine Latina mami
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on July 05, 2011, 12:34:58 PM
God Ashley has become one fine Latina mami

A lot of people are saying that they are sexing her up for the fanservice but I don't agree. She isn't showing any skin and her suit is just as tight as the previous one, which also showed off all her curves.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on July 05, 2011, 03:26:26 PM
She just got her hair done. If anything the outfit is less skimpy.

Ashley has always been my favorite ME Romance.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on July 06, 2011, 08:08:46 PM
For a moment I thought the asari was Samara.

I like Ashley's new look, I always thought her face looked weird. Liara's new outfit is nice, but I liked the one from ME2 better.

The outfit is just an alternate one that comes with the Collector's Edition.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on July 06, 2011, 08:23:56 PM
You don't have to be more revealing to look hotter. :-P

Man, BioWare's Twitter has been asking/answering questions about Tali's face. There's no way they can talk up a storm and NOT reveal her.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on July 06, 2011, 08:42:03 PM
Or they could reveal some random quarian and let people imagine what Tali would look like. *insert Bioware troll face here*
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on July 28, 2011, 05:47:40 PM
Jennifer Hale speaks:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/07/27/commanding-shepard-jennifer-hale-speaks/ (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/07/27/commanding-shepard-jennifer-hale-speaks/)

She even says which FemShep is her favorite.

Did you guys vote? I'm not sure which one to pick. The blond is winning by a big margin, she looks hot but doesn't feel right for shepard to me.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on July 28, 2011, 07:23:23 PM
I saw the voting thing on facebook but they showed the blonde and it pissed me off, because I think she looks nothing like what I think she should look like.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on July 28, 2011, 07:48:33 PM
Blonde?! No way is she blonde. It just doesn't "feel" right.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Fei on July 31, 2011, 02:52:39 PM
Blonde sucks, hotness aside.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Maxximum on July 31, 2011, 03:46:39 PM
The smart thing to do would probably be to never actually reveal what Tali looks like.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on August 01, 2011, 12:09:20 PM
"We're making Mass effect 3 to be the best game we've ever made. That would make it one of the best games ever, and we're hoping to see sales that reflect that,"

"People tell us we're amazing storytellers and we hope we are."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2389195,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2389195,00.asp)

Interviews like this one give me a bad feeling, I hope they are aware of how much their reputation is riding on this game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Maxximum on August 01, 2011, 12:26:04 PM
That's probably just EA talking, bare in mind that these are the same people that bound every button in DA2 to "awesome". I wouldn't put any weight behind those statements. Lets just hope that Bioware still has enough authority over their own production to maintain the quality standard set by the other two games.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 06, 2011, 04:04:55 AM
(http://cache.gyazo.com/0398c2a88af749edd6fe28065f4d4755.png)

ME3 has multiplayer, fans cry. In other news, this is the saddest cover that I've seen for a gaming magazine...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on August 06, 2011, 08:34:47 AM
As I've said before, the multiplayer can be a good thing if they're allowing friends to control squad mates through the storyline.  If it's just tacked on PvP shit like Dead Space 2, then fuck off.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Prime Mover on August 06, 2011, 05:12:59 PM
Eh, well, Multiplayer didn't ruin Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood. I've never played the multi, but the campaign wont suffer. If they do something like that, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on August 06, 2011, 07:31:46 PM
Funny that Shepard and the dude from Hitman have the very same expression.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on August 06, 2011, 07:36:34 PM
Eh, well, Multiplayer didn't ruin Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood. I've never played the multi, but the campaign wont suffer. If they do something like that, I'll be happy.

Actually, Brotherhood has one of the more refreshing multiplayer modes I've played, having dabbled in it since FUCK touching the single player before beating AC2. I don't mind as much if they can come up with and use an interesting idea, trying to just stick in a straight up deathmatch in that would've been the dumbest thing.

Of course, I doubt that'll be the case here, since it's possibly what caused the delay given how they were saying "No multiplayer we swear!" prior. :/
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on August 06, 2011, 08:38:01 PM
On the other hand, Brotherhood's multiplayer is an entirely separate affair if you're just in it for the story mode, and the story mode - so far - hasn't suffered. If it's completely separate in ME3 as well, then we're free to ignore it. As much as I don't like that BioWare - and Casey Hudson himself - insisted that there would be no MP, and then obviously changed their minds/bent to pressure from EA, I hope that the MP is at least good and worth the delay.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on August 06, 2011, 08:39:37 PM
There's always the possibility of drawing away resources/staff too, but unless they confirm that in an interview (and that likely won't be until the game's been out a few months AT BEST) good luck confirming whether that's the case or not. Sounds like it wasn't for games like Bioshock 2 at the least.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on August 06, 2011, 08:41:26 PM
As far as I know Mass Effect and Dragon Age have entirely different teams. I don't know if some of the ME team had to help with The Old Republic at all, but it's possible/reasonable.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: DPB on August 06, 2011, 08:51:32 PM
As far as I know Mass Effect and Dragon Age have entirely different teams. I don't know if some of the ME team had to help with The Old Republic at all, but it's possible/reasonable.

Well, not quite. The leads (executive producer, lead designer, lead writer, lead artist etc) stick to their respective series but lots of the rest of the staff move between the games as they're needed. TOR is more separate though, since it's being made by another branch of Bioware in Austin.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on August 18, 2011, 07:22:40 AM
Fortunately there was another poll to vote on hair color so we ended up with what in my opinion was the best option, the blond character model with red hair:

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/298472_10150264015501645_85811091644_7774972_6815899_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on August 18, 2011, 10:23:54 AM
We better be able to keep our old character model for female Shepard. Changing it now would be like making Captain Picard look different
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: DPB on August 18, 2011, 11:04:08 AM
This is just what they're going to use in the marketing, you'll still be able to import your character.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on August 18, 2011, 11:41:12 AM
We better be able to keep our old character model for female Shepard. Changing it now would be like making Captain Picard look different

Of course you will.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Jedah on August 18, 2011, 11:10:27 PM
I just finished playing Mass Effect 1 for the first time.  It was pretty good.  I am now starting with Mass Effect 2 and man is it an improvement on the last game.  The controls, graphics, and game-play just seem so much better.  So far, I am impressed.

Mass Effect 3 is looking incredible.  I am really enjoying the series.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Prime Mover on August 19, 2011, 01:07:07 PM
I just finished playing Mass Effect 1 for the first time.  It was pretty good.  I am now starting with Mass Effect 2 and man is it an improvement on the last game.  The controls, graphics, and game-play just seem so much better.  So far, I am impressed.

Mass Effect 3 is looking incredible.  I am really enjoying the series.

Yeah, ME2 is so much more polished. The dungeon design is SO MUCH BETTER. ME1 had decent large dungeon design, but all the sidequests featured copy after copy of the same boring warehouse and tunnel. ME2 made everything count, and it just made the game feel so much more complete. Characters were so much better (especially the ones from ME1). And the gameplay was so much more fun.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on August 21, 2011, 06:53:32 AM
Ton of new info from Gamescom:

The CE Robot dog is possible to interact with aboard the Normandy, like having it follow you around, play fetch and it apparently has a story to it. No details on whether it's combat able or not though.

Character creator will get a lot more hair styles and facial features in ME3. So expect the hairstyles from the femShep competition to make it into the CC.

They are considering an Uber achievement for all three games. What that is exactly is they don't know, but they want to reward their long term fans.

All squad mates will get their story and closure for ME3 even if they might not be a permanent squad member.

We'll see more of the Yahg (The former Shadow Broker)

Not loyalty of people, but loyalty of races. Less focus on building loyalty with squad members and more on the various races. So expect previous loyalty and decisions to play a part in this.

XP system goes back to ME1. No details but they won't do the mission summary XP from ME2.

The fate of the squad mates will not always be up to the player and decisions that feels right can prove to be harmful.

The banter will be increased significantly since the squad member group is smaller this time.

The ending of ME3 will give closure to the trilogy so don't expect answers on post ME3 DLC until the game is out.

There will not be an SDK after Mass Effect 3.

Joker EDI romance is being "looked at".

Aside from the Krogan princess, we will apparently not see female counterparts of turians,
salarians and so on in ME3 either.

Mods for ME2 has to be remade for ME3.

Thane is still alive in ME3. (if he survived Collector Base)

Kelly Chambers will return.

Romance between Joker and Shepard is a case of "you have to play it to see it"

If Hammerhead or Mako returns it's closer to critical path missions. Don't expect
exploration using these vehicles.

The Normandy will be upgraded by the Systems Alliance, so resource gathering for the ship is not likely this time.

The geth quarian conflict will be concluded.

Existing music from ME1 and ME2 will make its way into ME3.

Side quests will pretty much always be in line with the critical path story.

Classes will get new powers with up to six different ways to customize each power

Squad mates appearances and armor will be possible to customize again.

Seems Cerberus will be a full blown antagonist and not possible to align with in ME3.

They have DECIDED about whether you'll get to see Tali's face or not.

There may be time sensitive story elements though it will be more focused ones like the Normandy crew.

ME3 will make you cry!

There will be a larger variety of environments compared to ME2.

Heavy melee will pretty much always kill a target, but defensive factors like armor, barriers and shields will affect the outcome. Also don't try to melee an Atlas mech.

There will be mini games though no announcements.

We may see Quarians without masks. Whether that would include Tali or not was left unsaid.

The choices you make in the trial at the beginning of ME3 will set the tone for the future in the game

James Vega's voice actor will be announced really soon and is apparently a closely guarded secret, since he's really awesome.

Indoctrination seem to play a role in ME3, possibly including party members.

Kal'Reegar will return in ME3.

They are discussing possibilities of missions that ties back to your background choice for Shepard.

You have a lot more romance options in ME3. Possibly not limited to party members.

You will be able to change class if you import your ME2 Shepard to ME3. Though you will have to start from Lvl 1 while kept class will get Import+ perks.

Legion will return with a larger role in ME3.

There may be a 'special' import for saves where Shepard died. The interest is clearly too big for them to simply ignore such a treat.

Miranda will be back and has unfinished business with Shepard.

Shepard's SPECTRE status will play part in ME3 and change things if you had the status reinstated in ME2.

Conrad Verner's back.

Normandy will be the SR-2 with an Alliance paint and some redesigned interiors. Joker will apparently be happy with it.

How many team mates you speak to at the same time aboard the Normandy depends on the context of the missions.

You'll have debriefings after each mission that are deeper than ME2, but you are still likely to only talk to the squad mates one on one outside of that.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=441813 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=441813)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on August 21, 2011, 11:19:56 AM
I hope the UBER achievement doesn't involve beating the first two games on insanity. I don't have time for that shit.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on August 21, 2011, 11:35:02 AM
ME3 already made me cry (demo).

A lot of this just sounds good to me.

Joker/EDI is hilarious.

I'm curious as to how much of Earth we'll really see..... Besides Vancouver.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on August 21, 2011, 01:05:35 PM
I heard for the ravaged Vancouver they just used pictures of the hockey riots
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on August 21, 2011, 01:15:26 PM
They might as well.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on August 21, 2011, 03:06:04 PM
So Cerberus will be an antagonist regardless of your final choice in ME2. They better come up with a convincing explanation for that one. Most of these bits of info sound pretty good though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on August 21, 2011, 06:34:57 PM
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My hunch is that Cerberus is indoctrinated.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on August 21, 2011, 07:27:26 PM
So Cerberus will be an antagonist regardless of your final choice in ME2. They better come up with a convincing explanation for that one. Most of these bits of info sound pretty good though.

Given what's revealed about the Illusive Man in the comics I could see a reason.

And apparently that bit about dead Shepard saves having an effect was bogus! Though they did say before the game came out that those saves couldn't be carried over anyway.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on August 28, 2011, 11:48:48 AM
Naomi Kyle (IGN) posted this piece of official ME3 art on her facebook:

(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/308320_239828356052260_197028263665603_579689_700947_n.jpg)

I'm happy with how femshep turned out, this pic looks great.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on August 28, 2011, 11:55:32 AM
Not surprised at the final vote for hair colour but I love it. Can't wait for the femshep trailer.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on August 29, 2011, 11:27:00 AM
What about those of us who no longer have a ME 2 save? Is there going to be some type of digital comic type thing like they did for ME2? I'm still pissed about losing it. I downloaded some DLC and everything locked up. After that it was all gone. ugh.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on August 29, 2011, 01:45:44 PM
What about those of us who no longer have a ME 2 save? Is there going to be some type of digital comic type thing like they did for ME2? I'm still pissed about losing it. I downloaded some DLC and everything locked up. After that it was all gone. ugh.



No comic in ME3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on August 29, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
Er, I don't they've actually confirmed a comic either way yet. They said they're going to do *something* for new players, but didn't say what it was at the time.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on August 29, 2011, 02:12:34 PM
People who have not played it: Tough shit. Go play them.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on August 29, 2011, 02:18:54 PM
People who have not played it: Tough shit. Go play them.
But I HAVE played them. I just lost my save because of some 360 fuck up. Now I don't get any benefits from playing the past 2 games. I sure as hell don't have the time to play 2 again. Oh well. Fresh start I guess.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on August 29, 2011, 02:43:30 PM
Er, I don't they've actually confirmed a comic either way yet. They said they're going to do *something* for new players, but didn't say what it was at the time.

http://www.thenpcs.com/developer-news/pax-mass-effect-3-not-getting-origins-coming-at-launch (http://www.thenpcs.com/developer-news/pax-mass-effect-3-not-getting-origins-coming-at-launch)

There's no reason to do it. It was just to allow PS3 owners to do the most important decisions in ME1 since they couldn't play the game. Now everyone is up to speed. There will be “Previously on Mass Effect” videos but that's not what Grim is asking for.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lard on October 10, 2011, 11:35:19 PM
http://kotaku.com/5848484/mass-effect-3s-co+op-multiplayer-fully-detailed-by-bioware (http://kotaku.com/5848484/mass-effect-3s-co+op-multiplayer-fully-detailed-by-bioware)

ADMIN EDIT: Didn't John tell you not to post entire articles?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on October 11, 2011, 05:30:53 AM
So there's no competitive MP? Only co-op missions? I don't see how anyone could have a problem with this. A few extra missions that you can play with your friends will only add value to the game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on October 11, 2011, 10:03:12 AM
Yeah, I have faith it'll be done well and not just maps from the single player where you can have a chum drop in. None of my shitty friends play mass effect though so I'll have to recruit some RPGfans
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: mikey_artifas on October 11, 2011, 12:40:55 PM
People who have not played it: Tough shit. Go play them.
But I HAVE played them. I just lost my save because of some 360 fuck up. Now I don't get any benefits from playing the past 2 games. I sure as hell don't have the time to play 2 again. Oh well. Fresh start I guess.


If ME2 is like ME1 then you don't need a save file. Your clear data is connected to your gamertag. I lost my saves for the first one and was still able to import them into the second game. :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on October 11, 2011, 01:46:55 PM
The co-op is totally optional and I think it'll be fun. I'm looking forward to see how it all works.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on October 11, 2011, 03:17:47 PM
Yeah, I have faith it'll be done well and not just maps from the single player where you can have a chum drop in. None of my shitty friends play mass effect though so I'll have to recruit some RPGfans

I'll probably be the only person here on PC so I probably wont be playing with anyone here.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on October 11, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
Yeah, I have faith it'll be done well and not just maps from the single player where you can have a chum drop in. None of my shitty friends play mass effect though so I'll have to recruit some RPGfans

PS3 or 360? I have ME1 and 2 on 360 so that's were I'll be playing 3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on October 11, 2011, 08:42:07 PM
So I'm reading this can affect the single player. Admittedly there are alternatives in single player, but it does make me worry how it'll be balanced there: will co-op just be the easy way out, or will it be a pain in the ass WITHOUT resorting to co-op? The latter WILL irritate me, plus this just sounds like some horde-type thing. But then they haven't revealed all the details yet, wasn't it stated there were some co-op scenarios planned?

I also kind of think it'd be best to experiment with this stuff in a whole new series, or at least after the concluding part of the trilogy. I think they're trying to go for what Demon's Souls did with its online in a vague way, but at this point it's somewhat offputting.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on October 12, 2011, 12:11:34 AM
Yeah, I have faith it'll be done well and not just maps from the single player where you can have a chum drop in. None of my shitty friends play mass effect though so I'll have to recruit some RPGfans

PS3 or 360? I have ME1 and 2 on 360 so that's were I'll be playing 3.

I'll jam ME3 with ya

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on October 12, 2011, 12:54:25 AM
Yeah, I have faith it'll be done well and not just maps from the single player where you can have a chum drop in. None of my shitty friends play mass effect though so I'll have to recruit some RPGfans

PS3 or 360? I have ME1 and 2 on 360 so that's were I'll be playing 3.

I'll jam ME3 with ya



Cool my XBL is Kays Addiction. I know some people from 1up who will be playing it on 360 as well.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on October 12, 2011, 03:02:08 PM
Other people?

*sputter*

I thought it'd be just you, me and a Asari?



Or a Krogan
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Der Jermeister on October 12, 2011, 03:18:39 PM
So I'm reading this can affect the single player. Admittedly there are alternatives in single player, but it does make me worry how it'll be balanced there: will co-op just be the easy way out, or will it be a pain in the ass WITHOUT resorting to co-op? The latter WILL irritate me, plus this just sounds like some horde-type thing. But then they haven't revealed all the details yet, wasn't it stated there were some co-op scenarios planned?

I also kind of think it'd best best to experiment with this stuff in a whole new series, or at least after the concluding part of the trilogy. I think they're trying to go for what Demon's Souls did with it's online in a vague way, but at this point it's somewhat offputting.

I'm somewhat concerned myself, since I have an older PS3, although I can't use its internet connectivity on account of my home having wireless internet, the older PS3 not using Wi-Fi (at least from what I've seen, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), and my need to have something like an Ethernet connection to use the older PS3's said internet capabilities.

And yeah, I agree that it's best to experiment with significant changes in new series rather than within a series. It infuriates me that Final Fantasy does something drastically different with each installment, and while I've liked some of the changes, I'd rather they just call the games something else instead of lumping them all within the same series and making them sequels in name only.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: mikey_artifas on October 12, 2011, 03:30:42 PM
BioWare Pulse Episode 46: Multiplayer Preview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZmNAZM4hyY
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on October 13, 2011, 06:19:28 PM
Other people?

*sputter*

I thought it'd be just you, me and a Asari?



Or a Krogan
Sounds ho- errrr, not so much.

Most likely I'll be playing on PS3. But when I get my 360 I'll be playing ME1 which will undoubtedly lead to playing a 360 copy of ME2. I might end up playing 3 on the 360.... Or both.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on October 13, 2011, 06:26:11 PM
You've been threatening a 360 purchase since I've started posting here.

I'll BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on October 13, 2011, 06:42:16 PM
:( 250 GB 360s are suddenly out of stock. Which leaves me with bundles, and they're kinda pricey. I don't really want a 4 GB one. Have to wait til I either earn enough cash to burn... Or see if I can get one for Christmas. Besides, Witcher 2 is coming.

The problem is I KEEP BUYING PS3 GAMES.

And $15 DLC for DXHR.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on October 13, 2011, 08:54:32 PM
There's this verizon commercial where these people skydive out of a jet. They look all futuristic and the music sounds like the beginning rhythm to the galaxy map from ME. For a second I thought I was watching an ME3 commercial and went nuts.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Maxximum on October 17, 2011, 05:32:28 PM
On a side note, why are people making such a big deal out of the multiplayer mode? As long as the main game remains the primary focus and doesn't take a hit as a result, I don't see this as a problem at all. If anything it will only extend the games lifespan.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lard on October 17, 2011, 05:37:10 PM
One of the quotes specifically says "ME 3 multi player directly affects the single player content" but doesn't detail how.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on October 17, 2011, 05:41:38 PM
No, it affects the outcome of the campaign. They're calling it a stage of 'galactic readiness' - ie. it's one of the ways that you can get the best/most complete ending of the game. But BioWare specifically states that it's only an alternative option - meaning you can still get the best ending by doing only single player.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Maxximum on October 17, 2011, 05:42:00 PM
Probably some unlockables, I'm guessing mostly cosmetic, possibly some gear upgrades. As long as it doesn't have any impact on the story, I'm fine with it.

EDIT:

No, it affects the outcome of the campaign. They're calling it a stage of 'galactic readiness' - ie. it's one of the ways that you can get the best/most complete ending of the game. But BioWare specifically states that it's only an alternative option - meaning you can still get the best ending by doing only single player.

OK, that a different story, but as long as its only an alternative, it might actually work out.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on October 17, 2011, 06:12:35 PM
Yeah, the best ending is still possible without touching MP.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on October 17, 2011, 11:32:24 PM
The question now is how well they balance it if you don't want to play online. Just because you don't NEED to do it doesn't mean the single player can't be negatively impacted anyway.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on October 18, 2011, 09:13:47 AM
Exactly. I'm going to be pissed if I get jipped out of something simply because I don't do online play. I really can't see them doing that, though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on October 18, 2011, 09:46:25 AM
Play online. Enjoy life.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on October 18, 2011, 11:28:54 AM
Play online. Enjoy life.
I have no interest in online gaming. I barely have time for the non-online kind! Plus, it would be a pain to be constantly switching the hub back and forth between the computer and the game systems. Finally, we just have a dsl connection. Fine for most things, but probably not good for gaming.
I only go on XBL or PSN on the rare occasion to DL a game or something. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on October 18, 2011, 07:20:04 PM
Play online. Enjoy life.

If you simply don't enjoy online that's kind of counter productive.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on October 18, 2011, 11:07:02 PM
Play online. Enjoy life.

If you simply don't enjoy online that's kind of counter productive.

Thanks
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: laserSquad on October 19, 2011, 07:37:15 AM
Finished ME2 not long ago. While overall it`s not a bad game, for me it was extremely disappointing after the first outing. Seems like both critics and fans loved it though and so there`s little hope of ME3 being any different.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on October 27, 2011, 02:11:36 PM
Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/mass-effect-3/news/6342313/mass-effect-goes-multiplayer?mode=previews&tag=topslot;img;1

I think I'm fine with this. Heck, I'm even tempted to try it out.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on October 27, 2011, 03:07:53 PM
I like the concept. I'm glad they're trying something new.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on October 27, 2011, 04:24:07 PM
Quote
you're not required to have three friends to play. In fact, we could have played with two, one, or even zero teammates if we were so inclined. The game wouldn't have granted us any AI teammates, but it would have adjusted the enemy difficulty accordingly.

At a certain point in your character's progression, you will have the option to export him or her into your single-player. There, you can use your character as a war asset on the Galaxy at War map. How exactly these characters will function in your campaign remains to be seen.

See? You can do the co-op missions without co-op!

So you import your character to the campaign. I'm guessing that the more you progress in co-op the more that character will raise your galaxy readiness when you import it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on October 27, 2011, 05:36:26 PM
As long as ME3 doesn't have an "awesome" button...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on November 04, 2011, 10:25:58 PM
So, anyone on the Xbox Dashboard preview had an opportunity to download an early beta version of a demo for Mass Effect 3.  It clearly wasn't intended to be played by anyone in the public as there are a lot of placeholder graphics with no textures, a lot of missing sound effects, and a bunch of other bugs.  The glitches were very amusing.  The beta was quickly taken down, but I can say with certainty that the game has more actiony gameplay than the previous two games.

What was really interesting though, was that you have three options at the start of a game.  You can choose between action mode which turns the game into Gears of War where it's strictly combat and the game automatically chooses dialogue for you, story mode where the combat is turned into super wuss mode where any moron can get through it, and RPG mode where you get both.  The squad level up stuff is also somewhere between the first two games, something of a nice compromise since many felt the RPG elements were dumbed down too much for Mass Effect 2.

I spoiled the intro of the game for myself, and I can say that I am thoroughly hyped.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on November 05, 2011, 02:10:43 AM
If Parn is excited, Yoda is excited.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on November 05, 2011, 06:20:47 AM
I know it's generally a good idea to give options, but I can't help but wonder if automating dialogue could go too far in trying to be accessible to everyone. Decision making is one of the main draws of the series, and it doesn't seem right to just let that be automated, like if a Mario game allowed platforming challenges to be automated/skipped (and not in a "this is how you can get it done" sense like the Super Guide) or Zelda had automated dungeon progression and/or item use. That, and it leaves me to wonder if they might even go the next step and outright downplay that part of their games in the future if a significant number of people decide to enable it. I understand wanting to draw in as many people as possible, the inverse of being TOO inclusive can be just as bad (see: a lot of the Moe-type crap some Japanese companies have been producing), but if you stretch too far you can end up with a product that pleases no one.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on November 05, 2011, 09:40:27 AM
I know it's generally a good idea to give options, but I can't help but wonder if automating dialogue could go too far in trying to be accessible to everyone. Decision making is one of the main draws of the series, and it doesn't seem right to just let that be automated, like if a Mario game allowed platforming challenges to be automated/skipped (and not in a "this is how you can get it done" sense like the Super Guide) or Zelda had automated dungeon progression and/or item use. That, and it leaves me to wonder if they might even go the next step and outright downplay that part of their games in the future if a significant number of people decide to enable it. I understand wanting to draw in as many people as possible, the inverse of being TOO inclusive can be just as bad (see: a lot of the Moe-type crap some Japanese companies have been producing), but if you stretch too far you can end up with a product that pleases no one.

I fail to see the problem.  If people want their shit automated, then so be it.  People are giving the slippery slope argument, but it's ridiculous.  A large number of people enjoy Bioware games as they are now, and they're not about to ditch them in pursuit of a larger group when they can add options that cater to multiple groups.  They're leaving everything intact for their current audience while creating options designed for alternative groups.  Makes perfect sense to me.  You press the analog stick downwards twice and push the A button to select RPG mode and your Mass Effect 3 game will be just as featured as the previous two.  Nothing is lost.

If Zelda games had the option to automate dungeon progression, so what?  Why do you, or anyone else care how someone else plays their game?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on November 05, 2011, 12:50:15 PM
^'Nuff said.

Beta leaked. Info, pics and videos here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451016 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451016)

How the hell does something like this even happen?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on November 05, 2011, 05:28:28 PM
If Zelda games had the option to automate dungeon progression, so what?  Why do you, or anyone else care how someone else plays their game?

Admittedly that (and Mario) are largely shot down anyway by Bayonetta and Vanquish having literally "mash A to win" modes so people can just watch the spectacle, and all of those are tests of skill unlike the dialogue choices, I was thinking along the lines of making a game's star attraction optional and it's hard to find another good example for ME's dialogue system. I suppose there's if LA Noire allowed the investigations to be automated, but given how much of a pain interrogations and interviewing can be I'm not sure I really can blame anyone for wanting that automated, and unlike ME there's only one correct path anyway, which is probably the one crucial difference between this and the rest for why automating can be questionable.

I have to admit it's half gut feeling I'm trying to rationalize, half paranoia over future direction, in the context of ME3 it's just a toggle and for all I know could still have a Paragaon/Renegade option and the game goes on auto pilot from there, but in the future I can see even less attention given to options to choose if there's literally only one set people are most likely to see due to such an option. The rest of the modes though aren't really an issue when I think about them, I guess it's just that I think Action might better if it was more about keeping the gameplay but killing the micromanagement, and if they let you toggle the individual options before the game itself then the action mode I'm thinking of CAN be made anyway.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on November 05, 2011, 07:18:35 PM
I don't like being hyped for any game because it always leaves room for disappointment, but... Wrex and Garrus. My ME1 dream team will be (possible) back. Customizable powers and weapons. No weapon restrictions for any class. I'll be in RPG heaven.

I don't mind the RPG/story/action options. Wanna have the full experience? Go RPG. Just want to try different scenarios, without being bothered by the shooter mechanics? Story mode. Want to chill shooting things? Action. This is great because sometimes I just want to try out a new class in ME2, check possible builds, but don't want to bothered with the dialog. I know we are talking about an RPG here, but if they can reach out for all gamers, be it the COD or the Baldur's Gate fan and satisfy both during the process, why not? I don't think it will end up like the clusterfuck that was Dragon Age 2. I think Bioware may have learnt something.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on November 05, 2011, 08:42:07 PM
I killed Wrex and then sold his balls for 10k each.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on November 06, 2011, 12:35:04 AM
THe good thing about these options it probably cuts down on time if you're doing replays purely to try out different story choices. I can dig that.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lard on November 06, 2011, 01:56:18 PM
On a side note, I've been holding out for a GOTY version of Mass Effect 2......but I guess we're not getting one?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Farron on November 06, 2011, 02:04:04 PM
Well, that's pretty much the PS3 version if you don't count the "Arrival" DLC, and a few extra weapons and costumes. Given how most people didn't like arrival and the costumes already in the game are better than the DLC ones, I find it hard to be.
Also, given the downloadable version of the game on PSN is about 12 and that's not counting the cerberus pack, it may be hard to fit everything in 2 DVDs to release it on the 360.

Maybe they could release a special box with ME1, 2 and 3 by the end of next year if ME3 gets the same critical praise ME2 got.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on November 06, 2011, 02:12:28 PM
Considering ME2 PS3 is $20 on PSN (and $20-25 at retail depending on where you go) and all the stuff Farron pointed out, that version is definitely worth it if you have the system. And Arrival is only $7 if you REALLY want to play everything ME2.

As for armor, the PS3 version did come with the Blood Dragon armor which I used for pretty much all of the game. My only gripe was there was too much Edmonton love (ie. it was supposed to be some kind of homage to the 'Edmonton Blood Dragons,' a fictional sports team.) ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: bigdeath on November 06, 2011, 05:17:54 PM
I believe that u can change the combat difficulty and the story mode before u start the game so the 3 default modes are just for convenience and u don't have to use any of them. Therefore, they are not a big deal.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on November 06, 2011, 09:47:12 PM
Apparently some folks data mined the demo and was able to get plot details and the like.  Not sure what the extent of it is, but I ran away from the NeoGAF thread and plan to never look at it again since I don't plan on ruining the game for myself.  Just a warning for folks who don't like spoilers.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on November 06, 2011, 11:28:05 PM
I believe that u can change the combat difficulty and the story mode before u start the game so the 3 default modes are just for convenience and u don't have to use any of them. Therefore, they are not a big deal.

No one's really taking issue with the modes on a whole, I was just dubious about the dialogue toggle, but it's good to point out it's able to be set to your liking pre-game.

Apparently some folks data mined the demo and was able to get plot details and the like.  Not sure what the extent of it is, but I ran away from the NeoGAF thread and plan to never look at it again since I don't plan on ruining the game for myself.  Just a warning for folks who don't like spoilers.

Ditto, this is something I want to go in without knowing too much.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on November 06, 2011, 11:31:59 PM
Apparently some folks data mined the demo and was able to get plot details and the like.  Not sure what the extent of it is, but I ran away from the NeoGAF thread and plan to never look at it again since I don't plan on ruining the game for myself.  Just a warning for folks who don't like spoilers.

God what people can do...


I was proud when I hooked up my printer to a wireless network.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on November 06, 2011, 11:43:16 PM
Yeah I'm not going further into that thread past the first post. But I admit I was worried a bit when I first heard about the modes, and seeing the 'screenshots' which show that they're not hard-set and you can still change them your own preferences within, eased my worries.

I just want lots of good Paragon/Renegade options. :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lard on November 07, 2011, 12:34:57 AM
Well, that's pretty much the PS3 version if you don't count the "Arrival" DLC, and a few extra weapons and costumes.

Yeah, but I want a 360 version to transfer my save data. :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on November 07, 2011, 03:33:17 AM
Sounds like the spoilers are VERY extensive too. Just peeking in the Neogaf thread by mistake had me see "LEGION ENDING SPOILERS" (didn't read the actual spoilers), so I'm going to assume that if it can be spoiled it is.

However apparently this list may not be up to date, so it should be interesting to check out after clearing the game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Cyril on November 07, 2011, 03:44:32 AM
I'm not too happy with a few of the spoilers myself.  It seems you have very little choice in a few of the matters, and isn't that a part of what ME is about?  Here's to hoping the datamining is both incomplete and outdated.

That's not saying I won't play and enjoy the game, that's just saying I'm a bit disappointed by the spoilers I see.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on November 07, 2011, 03:56:02 AM
I could bring up my fears about the dialogue toggle... BUT Bioware games always had a few spots where you really couldn't do anything about anyway, plus like said it's not complete, they could well have written two endings for some scenarios afterall, and even if not there are likely "completely out of your control" reasons for the most part, like the last DLC for ME2. Just have to wait and see really.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Sagacious-T on November 07, 2011, 09:14:46 AM
Fuck this im outta here see ya'll in this thread next year
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on November 07, 2011, 04:33:35 PM
Wow, bioware fucking nuked the gaf thread!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451257 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451257)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on November 07, 2011, 05:57:12 PM
Good, it needed to go.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on November 07, 2011, 06:26:22 PM
March seems so far away now.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 07, 2011, 06:35:50 PM
NeoGAF has ruined quite a few games for a lot of people in the past, is kinda weird to see that someone took this seriously for once.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on November 07, 2011, 07:15:31 PM
Oh developers are taking it seriously alright. I guess that place has become too big to ignore. Most of the stuff you read there is an embarrassement for humanity.

Edit: apparently the cease and desist came from MS since the leak was their fault. They should do all they can to eradicate the spoilers from the net, the game is still so far away, but the damage is done. I feel really sorry for developers in cases like this, they are working so hard on the game and then something like this happens. Now everyone is screaming pre-order cancelled and they didn't even have anything to do with this.

The worst thing is that some idiots are now posting the spoilers everywhere for revenge of being censored. I guess that was to be expected, now the pissed off gaffers are on a mission to do as much damage as possible. I need to constantly remind myself that most of these people are kids and teens or I'll just completely lose faith in humanity altogether.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on November 07, 2011, 07:59:21 PM
I'm not really seeing people talk about going on a crusade to spoil it all over the internet so much as either wanting to buy ME3 used or spoil THEMSELVES out of retaliation, and both of those are personal choices rather than aggravating others. Still, I have to wonder if this could've been handled by Bioware politely requesting to shut that talk down, though I guess with MS doing it that angle's irrelevant, and them doing it is probably related to the beta on a whole than just story spoilers.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on November 07, 2011, 08:16:56 PM
The GAFtards aren't canceling anything.  They're making the usual foaming of the mouth, vitriolic barking noises that have all the bite of the Modern Warfare 2 boycott.  It's impotent at best and not worth acknowledging.  They'll play the game at launch and proceed to proclaim how much better Mass Effect 1 was because it let you drive around empty copy-pasta'd planets in a shitty moon car that would flip over at the smallest rock and get Geth stuck to the front bumper like bugs.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on November 07, 2011, 08:20:24 PM
Yeah, while spoiling yourself can be done easily and quickly in the heat of the moment, by the time it comes out they'll have cooled down and/or gotten roped back onto the hype train when it comes to buying. A few will probably do it, but they're either the most principled ones or simply didn't have THAT much interest in the first place.

EDIT: Then again I guess if all you really wanted to do was see a story through to its end you'd be disinclined to actually buy it after voluntarily spoiling yourself on everything. There's a world of difference between HEARING about events and SEEING them though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on November 07, 2011, 08:50:39 PM
Good thing I only checked a few screenshots. Media blackout starting now.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on November 07, 2011, 09:31:26 PM
I was watching TV and the music at the beginning of this verizon commercial made me think I was watching a live spot for ME3.

http://vimeo.com/30493523

Of course I'm glad it's not a commercial... since it would hint at a multiplayer blitzball mode or something.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on November 07, 2011, 09:34:33 PM
I saw that a while ago and thought the same thing. Someone on my Twitter did too.

It's the way the music starts out sounding like that new world/nebula exploration music, and eerily so.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Akanbe- on November 07, 2011, 09:35:33 PM
I was watching TV and the music at the beginning of this verizon commercial made me think I was watching a live spot for ME3.

http://vimeo.com/30493523

Of course I'm glad it's not a commercial... since it would hint at a multiplayer blitzball mode or something.

Haha, i thought the same thing about the commercial.  I just heard the music first time and turned around expecting something Mass Effect-y.

Also looked through the "spoiler screenshots" (thanks big G).  I don't know, didn't see anything too spoilerish except maybe some menu portions and party members.  Also possible that I'm just not "getting" the spoilers..  The pastebin leak is certainly spoilerific though.  Probably won't be reading that.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on November 17, 2011, 02:19:54 PM
The art of Mass Effect:

http://biowarestore.com/mass-effect/mass-effect-media/art-of-the-mass-effect-universe (http://biowarestore.com/mass-effect/mass-effect-media/art-of-the-mass-effect-universe)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on November 17, 2011, 04:07:35 PM
ME3 better get a sweet special edition w/ an awesome metal case and Tali plushie
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Akanbe- on November 17, 2011, 05:01:44 PM
ME3 better get a sweet special edition w/ an awesome metal case and Tali plushie

It's EA/Bioware, of course they will have something.  They'll probably even have retailer specific bonuses for pre-ordering.  I'm pretty sure something was announced already, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on November 17, 2011, 05:24:53 PM
I'm pretty sure something was announced already, but I could be wrong.

Quite awhile ago actually. (http://www.amazon.com/Mass-Effect-3-Collectors-Xbox-360/dp/B0050SYZS0/)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 17, 2011, 05:35:05 PM
The art of Mass Effect:

http://biowarestore.com/mass-effect/mass-effect-media/art-of-the-mass-effect-universe (http://biowarestore.com/mass-effect/mass-effect-media/art-of-the-mass-effect-universe)

Only 1000? With how popular this series is and how much love artbooks gets from fans it seems a little strange to me that they aren't selling more of these.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on November 17, 2011, 05:48:49 PM
The art of Mass Effect:

http://biowarestore.com/mass-effect/mass-effect-media/art-of-the-mass-effect-universe (http://biowarestore.com/mass-effect/mass-effect-media/art-of-the-mass-effect-universe)

Only 1000? With how popular this series is and how much love artbooks gets from fans it seems a little strange to me that they aren't selling more of these.

That's only for the limited edition with the slipcover.

ME3 better get a sweet special edition w/ an awesome metal case and Tali plushie

Unboxing video:

http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/mass-effect-3-n7-collectors-edition/91368#media (http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/mass-effect-3-n7-collectors-edition/91368#media)

Metal case yes, plushie no.
I'm buying.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on November 17, 2011, 05:55:27 PM
I hope this one gets a good collector's edition.  Mass Effect 2's was inferior to the first game's collector's edition.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on November 17, 2011, 05:56:32 PM
The CE was announced at E3. I need to preorder that and the art book, pronto.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: CDFN on November 17, 2011, 05:57:25 PM
I hope this one gets a good collector's edition.  Mass Effect 2's was inferior to the first game's collector's edition.

The video I just posted shows it in great detail.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on November 17, 2011, 06:01:05 PM
Yeah, it doesn't play for me for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on November 17, 2011, 07:59:31 PM
Information from GameStop's product list:

Quote
    Mass Effect 3 Collector's Edition

       
    • Premium metal case featuring male and female Commander Shepard
    • 70-page hardbound art book
    • Limited edition Mass Effect comic by Dark Horse Comics
    • Fabric N7 patch.
    • Exclusive 4x6 lithographic print of the SR-2 Alliance Normandy
    • Additional in-game content including
    • N7 Arsenal Pack - Bring the firepower with the N7 Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, SMG, and Pistol.
    • Squad alternate appearance pack
    • Robotic Dog for on board the Normandy
    • Mass Effect 3 digital soundtrack.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Marshmallow on November 17, 2011, 11:30:35 PM
I wonder if they'll hold a DLC character over our heads to get us to buy the game new like what happened with ME2/DA:0/DA2. In some ways I actually liked it because most of the time I get this type of high-end RPG as soon as it's released, and I love having a lot of choice in who I put in my party. I'm thinking they probably won't end up doing this for 3 though because of how it's been mentioned that you only have a few squadmates that are around all the time. Still, I'd like a DLC character or two.

Edit: Collector's edition answered my question, heh.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on November 18, 2011, 08:22:02 AM
Definitely getting the collector's edition.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on November 18, 2011, 09:39:11 AM
Damn. I have never bought any type of collectors edition but this one may be too awesome to pass up.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on December 10, 2011, 09:08:37 PM
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/vga-2011-mass-effect/724831

Can't fucking wait.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on December 11, 2011, 12:39:12 AM
Thresher Maw, bitches. Now I'd like to see the FemShep trailer. According to BioWare she gets her own walking animation, so no more gorilla running!

...I said I wouldn't check any ME3 topics. I have no willpower.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on December 11, 2011, 01:07:38 AM
I loved watching that trailer. 'HOLY SHIT DID THAT JUST HAPPEN?! A THRESHER MAW?'

Also waiting on FemShep trailer. Jennifer Hale ftw.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on December 11, 2011, 01:32:32 AM
As much as I loved ME is it weird I only played through them once? I feel if I did play them again it'd ruind the unique little world I played in
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on December 11, 2011, 01:56:21 AM
Nah I only played through ME2 one time. But I'm going to do ME1&2 on 360.

I just need to decide on a type of character. The last one was a renegade FemShep that romanced Thane. Do I make a paragon maleShep or another femShep so I can romance Garrus?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on December 11, 2011, 02:03:36 AM
I too played a femshep that got nailed by a lizard.

Nice!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on December 11, 2011, 02:19:02 AM
But if she wasn't a renegade, IT'S NOT THE SAME.

And then I will end up with ME3 on both systems. Derp.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on December 11, 2011, 09:17:59 AM
Just awesome. I'm stunned. March seems so far away...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Hathen on December 11, 2011, 10:49:48 AM
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/vga-2011-mass-effect/724831

Can't fucking wait.

Haven't been keeping up on the details myself, so this is the first I'm seeing of the actual gameplay in any form. Movement looks a lot more fluid and "action-y".

Looks great to me. I am excited.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on December 12, 2011, 03:40:34 PM
To be honest I felt ME2's gameplay to be a bit slow at times. I like that it looks less so in ME3 so far.

Preordered the CE finally.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on December 12, 2011, 04:02:23 PM
God damn, what a cool trailer. I'm trying to keep myself blocked out from too much media, but I had to watch that. Freakin' awesome.
I should really just go ahead and pre-order this.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on December 12, 2011, 04:56:20 PM
I need to invest in a good set of headphones or something.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Akanbe- on December 12, 2011, 05:07:50 PM
I need to invest in a good set of headphones or something.

Invest in a surround sound system.

or Sennheiser headphones.  I love mine.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on December 12, 2011, 05:18:47 PM
surround sound is out of the option b/c I game at night and my xbox room (yeah that's right assholes I have a room for xbox. Not a room for a baby or a crib or grandma but a room for xbox. My life is sweet) is above my neighbor's bedroom. Plus I'm not into loud ass gaming. I figure a nice headset will give me the range I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on December 12, 2011, 09:13:24 PM
I have a damn fine surround system, but rarely get to use it. I was forced to buy a set of headphones awhile back by necessity when a kid magically appeared in my house. Nowadays, I actually prefer gaming with headphones on. You hear all the little details so much better, especially the voices. My set is OK, but I've been looking at getting some better ones. I want some surround sound headphones, but the reviews are all over the map on most sets available.
ME3 looks cool.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on December 15, 2011, 11:18:41 PM
I first heard this theme when I saw the demo at E3, but if you haven't yet put faith in Clint Mansell...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dXJRlWdjjRk#!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on December 19, 2011, 03:21:43 AM
I can't wait to hear the new galaxy map theme.


Man I've listened to those endlessly
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on December 19, 2011, 09:56:20 AM
Ya, know. Every other game just needs to get out of the fucking way. This is really the only game I want to be playing RIGHT NOW. All games until then are just filler.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on January 14, 2012, 01:18:11 PM
Mass Effect 3 will be Origin only on PC. (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8975536)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on January 14, 2012, 01:56:26 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_oUiBFwVvgWc/SMIDJ9x2D-I/AAAAAAAAAFk/XopTRET1nTI/s400/ScaredMonkey.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on January 14, 2012, 01:57:58 PM
Fuck Origin. I don't want it on my PC. Sandboxie to the rescue, I guess...

Why couldn't EA keep the ME2 disc check? It's simple and don't get in the way. I hate all these "oh you must validate with Steam/Origin/Ubisoft crap and keep 394 accounts around". If I bought a physical copy, I just want to put the disc in and play. Maybe I should finally get a PS360 and be done with all this nonsense.

Damn EA. They had to crap all over the only game I'm interested in.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Prime Mover on January 14, 2012, 03:59:23 PM
Oh shit... that's just wrong. My girlfriend is currently wrestling with an uncooperative origin for Sims3. We wasted a lot of time trying to make it work right, but it's just so broken. She's completely weary of downloadable games now, which for PC, I'm starting to agree with her. She's about to get Skyrim, and she refuses to go any other method than physical disc, which I can TOTALLY understand.

But is this for real? No physical printing of ME3? FUCK THAT!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: DPB on January 14, 2012, 04:10:06 PM

But is this for real? No physical printing of ME3? FUCK THAT!

No, it just means that you have to use a client to launch the game, and you can still install from a DVD. Skyrim (and lots of other PC games, like everything recent from Square Enix and Bethesda) does this too, but it uses Steam rather than Origin. A retail copy of Skyrim is no different to a digital one, you still have to authenticate via Steam.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on January 14, 2012, 04:52:42 PM
This is why I'm way more open to DD on PC. Half the time anymore the physical release is more of a "free backup" edition, and sometimes they come with crap DRM that won't be on the Steam version, though that's less frequent now for both good and bad reasons. Only physical PC game I got lately was the Witcher 2, I'll probably do the same for anything with great physical goods.

Anyways, Origin is disappointing but not unexpected. I wouldn't mind as much if it weren't for the forum ban nonsense, I wouldn't want to revoke someone's ability to play a game just for bad behavior here afterall.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on January 18, 2012, 12:26:23 PM
V-Day demo!

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2012/1053.html

Now I wish I bought Battlefield 3. Kinda.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on January 21, 2012, 03:59:41 PM
Not related to ME3, but have any of you seen the ME parodies Mess Perfect 1 (http://epantiras.deviantart.com/gallery/26672451) & Mess Perfect 2 (http://epantiras.deviantart.com/gallery/31228611)? Haha, good stuff!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on January 21, 2012, 04:21:01 PM
I have not. Favouriting on DA to read .. at some point!

Oh yeah forgot to link this. Freddie Prinze Jr. voices James Vega.

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2012/1067.html After watching the video I kind of can't wait to see female Shepard spar him. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Marshmallow on January 23, 2012, 06:43:42 PM
I would punch a reporter in the face to play this game immediately!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on January 27, 2012, 12:18:47 AM
SO. If any of you get THIS artbook:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595827684/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d0_g14_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=13QMNP46G4BR74EB4HWQ&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

Don't fucking look through the Mass Effect 3 section. Spoilers abound and they're on the interwebs too.

People are lame.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on January 27, 2012, 12:21:30 AM
I'm expecting someone to be an asshole here and blab away, so I have to spoil myself getting rid of their slip up. :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Dice on January 27, 2012, 01:46:23 AM
I know next to nada about Mass Effect other than the fact ME2 is in my drawer (backlog).

But Dicey got this for y'all... 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/Valkyrie963/me3.jpg)

And a happy [future] Valentines.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on January 27, 2012, 02:33:43 AM
Commander Shepard is going to be my [not-so-bloody] Valentine.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on January 28, 2012, 06:02:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW2-ydXB7PY&hd=1

Mass Effect 2 improved combat a lot over the original, but still felt a tad clunky compared to Gears.  With this video, you can see they ramped it up a shitload.  So hyped to play a Vanguard again.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on January 28, 2012, 06:05:59 PM
Vanguard is my favourite in ME2. But yeah, battles definitely still feel slow in that game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on January 31, 2012, 02:35:09 PM
Watching the voice cast trailer....auuuugghghhghghgh Jessica Chobot? Seriously gtfo. She better be the most minor character ever. And if she replaces cute and bubbly Kelly I'm going to shit bricks then throw them at the tv.

Boo on them for not show the woman that does Tali, for she is gorgeous.

(http://www.dizimizi.com/resimler/326000/ash-sroka-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on January 31, 2012, 02:41:16 PM
Chobot's news reporter girl, is she not on the job when you see her or what? Or does her station really let her whore around like this? http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2012/1101.html

On the other hand, she's a reporter. MAYBE WE CAN PUNCH HER.

Also I love Jennifer Hale. <3
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Prime Mover on January 31, 2012, 04:22:56 PM
Jessica Chobot is a ho. But as 50% of all Mass Effect reporter women turn out to be backstabbing bitches, I'll have fun ramming her in the rump with a big fat bat.

Wow, woman who plays Tali is gorgious. Tali herself is gorgious for not being able to see her face and having 3 fingers. Honestly, with the direction I took Shepard, Tali is by far the most compatable female. She's the most stable and reliable too. I really loved her story in ME2... best one of the cast, IMO. Glad they made her a possible love interest in ME2, she got the short end of the stick in ME1, I always thought Liara was incredibly overrated (ie: boring). I thought Miranda was a great character too, but I figured, Tali's always been there for Shepard, always had to put up with everyone's xenophobic crap, and never once complained, she deserved a bit of attention.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on January 31, 2012, 04:28:04 PM
I would fly away with Tali or her real life version into the unknown any damn day of the week.

As far as Chobot... there better be a hilarious renegade option.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on January 31, 2012, 04:31:40 PM
My Femshep couldn't romance Tali.

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/619/Untitled-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on January 31, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
Can someone explain the meme of the crazy stick figures with oddly detailed faces to me? That's new to me.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on January 31, 2012, 04:37:21 PM
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/forever-alone

(I am so glad this website exists. It makes these things so much easier.)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Prime Mover on January 31, 2012, 04:48:04 PM
Not sure if I want them to reveal Tali's face or not. I'm usually not a fan of purposefully hiding things from the audience that the main character has seen (Shepard has, if he chooses her as a romantic option). But it's also part of the mystery surrounding her. It seems a distinct possibility that they will reveal her image, or at least, reveal what other Quarians look like. If they do, I have a feeling they'll make them very human-like.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on January 31, 2012, 04:52:49 PM
I hope the option is there to see a reveal and nothing more.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on January 31, 2012, 04:53:51 PM
Not sure if I want them to reveal Tali's face or not. I'm usually not a fan of purposefully hiding things from the audience that the main character has seen (Shepard has, if he chooses her as a romantic option). But it's also part of the mystery surrounding her. It seems a distinct possibility that they will reveal her image, or at least, reveal what other Quarians look like. If they do, I have a feeling they'll make them very human-like.

I find the best thing they could do is actually leave it to the player's choice. Tali could literally ask you.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on January 31, 2012, 05:05:09 PM
A blue or green version of the voice actress would suit me fine.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VampiricDragon_ on February 01, 2012, 09:41:20 AM
can someone list the rpg features this game has?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: D-Rider on February 01, 2012, 10:18:44 AM
can someone list the rpg features this game has?

I'd like to know this as well.  Somebody please take the time to go through every snippet of news we've gotten about this game, pick out every single mention of a feature that might possibly fit under the umbrella of "rpg feature", select it, copy it, and paste it here because I am entirely too lazy to look all this shit up.  And give it to me in a bullet point format, because I'm not in the mood for paragraphs.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on February 01, 2012, 10:59:01 AM
can someone list the rpg features this game has?

With Kinect you can shout out all the crap you want to do, just like an actual pen and paper session. It's the most authentically RPG game on the market!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on February 01, 2012, 11:01:03 AM
can someone list the rpg features this game has?
1. You're a dumbass.
2. Ashton LEVELED UP! +1 defense against internet retards!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VampiricDragon_ on February 01, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
I am asking a serious question like the person under me. I havent kept up with mass effect 3 news at all.

ps. insulting isnt a legitimate retort, and it doesnt help anybody.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on February 01, 2012, 11:12:10 AM
Do your own damn research.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on February 01, 2012, 11:14:29 AM
ps. insulting isnt a legitimate retort, and it doesnt help anybody.

While it isn't the best habit in general, neither is policing (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=26.msg1232#msg1232). Especially to someone who IS staff.

And part of why no one cares to rattle off a list is because there's a lot more to games than arbitrary features.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VampiricDragon_ on February 01, 2012, 11:16:39 AM
games are a collection of features  lol
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 01, 2012, 11:24:43 AM
Wrong. Games like Mass Effect are more than the sum of their parts. If you don't follow the series then why bother? ME3 - the last 1/3 of a trilogy - is the worst place to start. There's plenty of news, pictures, videos and a preview around here. But I talk about a lot more than just 'RPG features.'
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: VampiricDragon_ on February 01, 2012, 11:26:23 AM

ive played 1 and 2 but havent kept up with 3
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: cj_iwakura on February 01, 2012, 12:01:36 PM
I wonder where he'll go to next.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: D-Rider on February 01, 2012, 02:13:45 PM
I am asking a serious question like the person under me

I had a feeling that was too subtle for an OCD hoarder. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 01, 2012, 03:24:54 PM
I am asking a serious question like the person under me

I had a feeling that was too subtle for an OCD hoarder. :P

You haven't been in the Xenoblade thread then. This same dude fell for a blatant April Fools Day joke. GameFAQs forums must have done a number on his brain. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Prime Mover on February 01, 2012, 05:42:38 PM
Banniminated

I wonder where he'll go to next.

I dunno, but I feel sorry for them.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on February 01, 2012, 05:58:01 PM
You know what I hate about ME? Just about everyone is sexy as fuck as long as they're under the age of 30ish.

I want a realistic approach.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on February 01, 2012, 06:06:45 PM
Miranda was actually too sexy for gunfights =/
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 01, 2012, 06:33:01 PM
You know what I hated about ME2? No one had armour except Shepard and Garrus' missile-ruined armour. Oh and Grunt. But everyone looks the same in battle and on the Normandy except Shepard. At least in ME1 that wasn't the case. Made me wonder how characters like Miranda, Jack and Thane get through gunfights.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on February 01, 2012, 08:03:22 PM
You know what I hated about ME2? No one had armour except Shepard and Garrus' missile-ruined armour. Oh and Grunt. But everyone looks the same in battle and on the Normandy except Shepard. At least in ME1 that wasn't the case. Made me wonder how characters like Miranda, Jack and Thane get through gunfights.

I used this texture mod while playing. Now Miranda having a gunfight while in complete vacuum made a lot more sense.

(http://social.bioware.com/uploads_project/project_gallery/3000/2405/1281/4412.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 01, 2012, 08:52:26 PM
Better than her default AND loyalty mission-unlocked outfit.

Someone had a mod to put Miranda's loyalty mission outfit on female Shepard. If I could manage to do that, I'd never stop playing ME2.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on February 03, 2012, 09:58:35 AM
Hmmm ?

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/mass-effect-3-saves.html
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 03, 2012, 12:31:44 PM
As long as its not some kind of direct sequel to ME3. Id rather it be something else in the ME universe that's dealing with consequences of one of Shepard's actions/decisions.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on February 06, 2012, 12:54:39 PM
As long as its not some kind of direct sequel to ME3. Id rather it be something else in the ME universe that's dealing with consequences of one of Shepard's actions/decisions.

I'd also love a new game style in this universe. Something that doesn't follow the same format. I'd LOVE a sort of story in the style of some of Isaac Asimov's robot series. A sort of space detective thing. The ME universe is ripe for that kind of adventure.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Agent D. on February 06, 2012, 02:27:00 PM
Demo comes out next week right? Man, I am seriously excited on the inside. I don't wanna ruin this game for myself though, so I'm being reserved about it.

Game of 2012, 2013, and maybe even 2014?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Prime Mover on February 06, 2012, 02:46:50 PM
Game of 2012, 2013, and maybe even 2014?

Naw, either Xenoblade or FFXIII-2

Yes, I'm serious.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on February 06, 2012, 03:20:37 PM
Game of 2012, 2013, and maybe even 2014?

Naw, either Xenoblade or FFXIII-2

Yes, I'm serious.

guffaw on ff13-2.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 06, 2012, 03:37:08 PM
To each their own, I guess but as much as I want Xenoblade, Mass Effect 1&2 already spoiled me for RPGs. I don't know that ME3 will be any different in that regard.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on February 06, 2012, 10:48:58 PM
There is no game I'm looking forward to as much as ME3. I actually kinda of feel bad for Xenoblade, because I'll be playing it right after ME3.
I'm not going anywhere near the demo. Total  media blackout. I don't want to know anything. I'll just be there with my $$$ on release day.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on February 06, 2012, 11:50:32 PM
I'm going to install and turn on the demo to get my Amalur swag.

Word!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 07, 2012, 12:40:19 AM
Oh I'm playing the ME3 demo. I've probably seen much of what's in it anyway. Kind of unavoidable for me.

I need to play that Amalur demo and unlock that ME3 shit.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Emonzaemon on February 07, 2012, 11:05:53 AM
Amular Demo(which keeps breaking), Mass Effect Demo, Get Xenoblade, Get Mass Effect 3, Get Tales of Graces f and play that local co-op.

My grades will suffer for this.

After thought: Wii game, 360 Game, PS3 Game....

As long as me and tali are alive, I don't care what happens in M3.  I didn't want to romance the female options in 1 anyway, so I can't wait to spread my quarian germs across the galaxy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on February 07, 2012, 07:51:45 PM
DLC already being sold (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/02/07/mass-effect-3-from-dust-dlc-purchased-at-gamestop-before-launc/)?

*facepalms*
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 07, 2012, 08:52:59 PM
What the fuck.

It's been pointed out, but GS employees can sell stuff that isn't even in their system yet. That's too suspicious.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: (Tunnels) on February 10, 2012, 12:18:13 PM
Along with the host of trailers featured in the recent news on the main website (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2012/1132.html), Bioware has finally unveiled the FemShep trailer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3pShKKOV_gA) I'm sad that there even has to be a "FemShep trailer" and that she was featured in more trailers, but at least she has one. It was pretty decent too, showing off not only FemShep being badass, but some ME2 characters as well.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 10, 2012, 12:30:00 PM
Hale is fucking badass. I'm not one of those who play females just because I am one, but after two runs with FemShep it's really hard to play as MShep. That trailer was worth the wait. :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: (Tunnels) on February 10, 2012, 12:58:44 PM
Hale is fucking badass. I'm not one of those who play females just because I am one, but after two runs with FemShep it's really hard to play as MShep. That trailer was worth the wait. :)

I agree, Hale's performance is just amazing; she hits all the right notes. Meer's performance isn't bad, but compared to Hale's it comes off a bit stiff at times, especially in the 1st game. In the 2nd, he has a better range.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on February 10, 2012, 03:39:40 PM
I'm starting over with ME3 so I'm very tempted to create a femshep character. My male shep was pretty darn boring anyway. It might feel weird, though, after playing through the first 2 games as male. I'd feel like I was abandoning my buddy or something. I'll think on it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on February 10, 2012, 03:51:47 PM
Hale is fucking badass. I'm not one of those who play females just because I am one, but after two runs with FemShep it's really hard to play as MShep. That trailer was worth the wait. :)

I agree, Hale's performance is just amazing; she hits all the right notes. Meer's performance isn't bad, but compared to Hale's it comes off a bit stiff at times, especially in the 1st game. In the 2nd, he has a better range.
Odd, I had the opposite reaction to Hale, she sounds a bit robotic in many of her lines, while Meer sounded more menacing and strong.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 10, 2012, 04:45:53 PM
I've listened to some MShep, and I find 'robotic' describes him for me quite a bit. They both have their weak points... and admittedly, I don't know what she sounds like as paragon FShep. I just know that I'm endlessly entertained by bitchy!Hale.

Oh yeah there were a couple of FShep screens too.

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2012/1135.html

Honestly I'd use that look for the most part if I didn't already have an ME2 Shepard to import. Maybe make the hair more red like my current Shep, and the lipstick less dark and gothy.

The freckles can stay.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on February 10, 2012, 07:18:57 PM
Nice trailer.

The hair texture looks way better than the melted plastic we got in 1 & 2! Now I just need to know if they fixed her walking animation...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: D-Rider on February 10, 2012, 07:26:50 PM
Odd, I had the opposite reaction to Hale, she sounds a bit robotic in many of her lines, while Meer sounded more menacing and strong.

I can kinda see where you're coming from...Paragon wise.  She does Renegade a lot better.  A lot.

Meer sounds like he should be selling beaver pelts or some shit.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Monsoon on February 10, 2012, 09:51:46 PM
I'm a big Jennifer Hale fan, mostly coming from Planescape: Torment and Grandia II.  I usually play male characters in these make-your-own-main games, but for Mass Effect 1 and 2 I'd say I've had more fun with FemShep. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on February 11, 2012, 12:37:17 AM
Honestly, the little bit I've heard of Hale has not impressed me. Kinda just sounds like she's reading lines. I was expecting better, but I'd have to hear a lot more to properly judge.
I've never had a problem with male sheps voice. I thought the guy did a pretty good job, actually.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Dice on February 11, 2012, 01:08:29 AM
The freckles can stay.

[Sort of] my thoughts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=n0r63YoINns#t=45s) on offishal Fem-Shep
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Agent D. on February 11, 2012, 03:07:36 AM
Been in love with jennifer hale since her naomi hunter days in metal gear solid. She has a penchant for strong female roles, though her portrayl of jean grey in the newer wolverine and the xmen cartoon was a bit lacking. I blame how the character was written, but jean grey is normally a beast, however in this cartoon she was so weak, even as phoenix. Didn't show hale's flare for being the tough chick on campus. I'd marry that woman's voice nonetheless. She so sexy sounding.

...easy on the eyes too.


OhmygodohmygodohmygodnextweekdemoformasseffectthreeSQUEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 11, 2012, 04:04:45 PM
Played the early access demo. Twice. Good stuff. Won't get into details (no multiplayer at this point) since it's out for everybody soon.

As for Shepard's voices, I actually did try male Shep in the demo too. Played with character creation for both genders a lot. Meer sounded better/more tolerable than I'd ever heard him, I imagine you'd have to hear more than just a few lines from FemShep too. And I remember people saying he had improved from ME1 to ME2.

(Then I played demo male Shep as a Sentinel and died in ten minutes.)

Then again, I agree with the others in that Hale is probably better off as a tough character than not. Some of my favourite not-necessarily-renegade moments from her come from when she's talking to Saren, Soverign and Harbinger (the latter in Arrival).

Here, have a tangentially-related fan trailer I found not too long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxhAHc7PF80
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on February 12, 2012, 10:07:54 AM
I'm feeling OST of the year with this game's soundtrack.  You can hear quite a bit of Mass Effect 1 in the song below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cdZqaf-e6Y
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on February 12, 2012, 10:50:47 AM
So there's also going to be a new iPad game for Mass Effect. Hope I can play it on my iPad 1.

Two more days to the demo!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on February 12, 2012, 06:35:03 PM
I'm feeling OST of the year with this game's soundtrack.  You can hear quite a bit of Mass Effect 1 in the song below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cdZqaf-e6Y

My taste is insane and FFXIII-2's OST is already looking to be my favorite of the year, but I'm REALLY glad that ME feel is still kept even with the switch in composers. It just wouldn't be the same without SOME 80s-like synth in there.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 12, 2012, 06:41:34 PM
Is it the game that comes out soon? I think/hope it's for iPhone too.

There's quite a few themes that have familiar melodies in them. I can't find them all on YT but you'll see what I mean when the demo's out, I guess. I'm really excited for the soundtrack. Even though Jack Wall is gone, Sam Hulick is still there.

Start menu music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-tCFQkYD4Y
Music from... a section in the first part of the demo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg1ElmVQ2pw
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: DPB on February 13, 2012, 12:15:55 PM
I'm going to buy some of the ME2 DLC in preparation for ME3, I've already played LotSB, but what about the rest, does it still make sense to play them with a post-game save? Arrival is obviously meant for that purpose, but I won't bother with Kasumi and Overlord if it feels tacked on, and I don't feel like making a new character right now.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on February 13, 2012, 12:51:41 PM
Overlord is interesting but not much of a contribution to the overall story. Kasumi's scenario gets you an extra character and submachine gun.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: (Tunnels) on February 13, 2012, 03:14:38 PM
I bought Kasumi for my second playthrough, and I actually really liked her. Her loyalty mission is pretty cool, and she's an awesome character. Her sneak attack skill is kinda broken, since it takes her out of the line of fire, which I abused many many times over.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 13, 2012, 03:19:59 PM
If you don't care that it doesn't tie into the main story, I rather enjoyed Overlord. It's both disturbing and sad. Kasumi I enjoy as a character, and her DLC/loyalty mission was a bit different.

I'd play all of the DLC, but I'm biased. ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Cyril on February 13, 2012, 04:44:04 PM
I received my "Art of the Mass Effect Universe" today - so if anyone is interested, it's out, and covers ME1, 2, and 3.  Some of the background art is just gorgeous.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 13, 2012, 05:38:39 PM
Just a warning (I posed a few pages back) - the ME3 section of the artbook contains SPOILERS.

It's actually not out in Canada until next week for some fucking reason. I'll be going on Amazon.ca for it ($26 and free shipping, woo), but the BioWare store has a limited edition.... it's $80. The regular edition (from BS) has a slipcover thing with the paragon and renegade symbols. It's nice.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on February 13, 2012, 05:45:34 PM
Liz is right, some MAJOR spoilers are in there. I just got the LE artbook today, and I flipped it open... right to a page with a HUGE spoiler. AVOID LOOKING AT IT if you don't want to be spoiled. I kind of hate myself now.

On the artbook itself: It is fucking glorious.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on February 13, 2012, 06:05:12 PM
Yeah, my copy is sitting on my dining room table, unopened.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on February 13, 2012, 06:05:36 PM
Is this the book, gang?

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Mass-Effect-Universe-Various/dp/1595827684/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329173839&sr=8-1
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Cyril on February 13, 2012, 06:11:08 PM
Is this the book, gang?

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Mass-Effect-Universe-Various/dp/1595827684/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329173839&sr=8-1

That's what I ordered, yes.  I got mine for $21. Yay for pre-order Price Guarantee.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on February 13, 2012, 06:13:25 PM
Yup.  If you're into art books, I also recommend the Guild Wars 2 art book.  Even if you're not into MMOs, the art in the game is nothing short of astounding.  It's easily the best stuff I've ever seen from any game released to date.  Serious.  You can buy it off the Penny Arcade store.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Cyril on February 14, 2012, 08:00:40 AM
Friendly reminder that the demo is out.  It's on 360 now, I think PS3 and PC will come a bit later today.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on February 14, 2012, 11:15:09 AM
God this is awesome....!!!!

My nips are hard as a Krogan's disposition.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on February 14, 2012, 11:18:12 AM
This demo is awesome. I cannot fucking wait until March 6.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 14, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
Isn't heavy melee great? :-)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: ValendianKnight on February 14, 2012, 03:25:20 PM
The demo is out? Cool. Any non-spoiler thoughts? I will be avoiding it, I want to know as little as possible.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: D-Rider on February 14, 2012, 03:54:16 PM
Isn't heavy melee great? :-)

Fuck yes.  I played as an adept and it was great; I can't even imagine how it is as a class that's MEANT to go toe-to-toe.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Agent D. on February 14, 2012, 06:03:15 PM
So want to play this demo, but I can't yet. Fucking job and such.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 14, 2012, 06:26:28 PM
The only thing that makes me sad is that vanguards don't use the Omniblade. But the biotic punch makes a lot more sense anyways. Either way I am totally okay with hearing an angry Jennifer Hale. ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Logick on February 15, 2012, 05:50:51 AM
Played the demo and I want more :(
Code: [Select]
Cerberus are bad guys again?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on February 15, 2012, 07:39:34 AM
Well, I tried the PC demo at a friend's house.

- Vanguards carrying only a shotgun will probably destroy the game on Insanity. Charge + Nova + Shotgun to the face + Melee = happy times.
- Engineers received a well deserved boost. Can't wait to import my Shotgun Engineer!
- Some of the textures are cringe worthy, but nothing Texmod or a hi-res pack won't solve.
- Why can't Bioware fix that damned hotkey bug? Seriously, what the hell. It should have been fixed in ME2.
- The game crashed twice with a "Origin is no longer running, Mass Effect 3 will now close". Niiice.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Cyril on February 15, 2012, 07:50:05 AM
Engineer was great in ME2.  Far and away my easiest run through Insanity was with Engineer.  Definitely a fun and underrated class, in my opinion.  The Drone is just exceptional; I plan on playing through ME3 with it.

My main complaints: The facial expressions seemed to have taken a hit.  They're a bit stiffer than they were before.  That and the odd writing in the introductory sequence made me cringe - not going to mention any spoilers, but that whole "meeting" was just bad.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on February 15, 2012, 08:08:36 AM
Engineer was great in ME2.  Far and away my easiest run through Insanity was with Engineer.  Definitely a fun and underrated class, in my opinion.  The Drone is just exceptional; I plan on playing through ME3 with it.

I agree! Now Engineers are even better. Seems the only class nerfed was Sentinel, but they were overpowered in ME2.


Edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMI3j8JYsi8

Silly, but I still had a good laugh.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on February 15, 2012, 10:02:31 AM
All the talk about classes is interesting. I never really payed much attention to it myself. I think in the first game I was the normal, everyday warrior type dude. In the second game I was a Vanguard, but don't know how it plays differently than others, as I haven't tried them. I'm more concerned about other things in the ME universe than player class. *Shrugs*

BTW, my wife preorderd it for me for V-Day! Bad ass, huh?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: D-Rider on February 15, 2012, 10:17:58 AM
That and the odd writing in the introductory sequence made me cringe - not going to mention any spoilers, but that whole "meeting" was just bad.

I really hope that whole introductory bit was just cobbled together for demo purposes, because it IS pretty weak.

So do we know if all classes are getting access to all weapons, or is that just for the demo?  Because if so, then soldier has pretty much gotten the shaft in this one.  Having access to all the weapons and using them as the situation warrants is what made the ME2 soldier, but now it looks like it's lost most of its unique utility.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Draak on February 15, 2012, 12:40:28 PM
So do we know if all classes are getting access to all weapons, or is that just for the demo?  Because if so, then soldier has pretty much gotten the shaft in this one.  Having access to all the weapons and using them as the situation warrants is what made the ME2 soldier, but now it looks like it's lost most of its unique utility.

Yes, all classes can carry all weapons. However, there is now a weight system: Each weapon has its own weight and if Shepard is carrying more than s/he is able to, the cooldown times will be longer. Soldiers have access to a larger weight capacity through upgrades.

According to the Mass Effect wiki (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Soldier#Weight_Capacity):

The Soldier has the highest potential weight capacity of any class in Mass Effect 3, with a weight capacity bonus of 20 at Level 1 of Combat Mastery, increasing to 50 at Level 2. A maximum capacity bonus of 100 is achievable by choosing the 'Weight Capacity' upgrade at Level 6 of Combat Mastery
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on February 15, 2012, 12:53:42 PM
Got my artbook already!

I fucking love the space scene art. I'm a particular fan of that type of art, very bright and sterile looking.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 15, 2012, 01:38:59 PM
Yes, the weight system is why power cooldowns take so long in the second part of the demo, you're stuck with the four guns as your loadout.

Grim: Your wife rocks. You should try out the powers and skills of each class too, those are the big differences. I like vanguard for the biotic attacks: shockwave, charge..... And now Nova. :D

Yoda: Space is awesome. ;) I WANT THAT DAMN ARTBOOK

So apparently a new trailer is supposed to air during the Walking Dead on Sunday. I've never watched WD before.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: GrimReality on February 15, 2012, 02:06:52 PM
Yes, the weight system is why power cooldowns take so long in the second part of the demo, you're stuck with the four guns as your loadout.

Grim: Your wife rocks. You should try out the powers and skills of each class too, those are the big differences. I like vanguard for the biotic attacks: shockwave, charge..... And now Nova. :D

Yoda: Space is awesome. ;) I WANT THAT DAMN ARTBOOK

So apparently a new trailer is supposed to air during the Walking Dead on Sunday. I've never watched WD before.

The Walking Dead rocks. This past Sunday ME3 sponsored something, but they didn't show any commercials.
I want that art book, too.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Esper_Crusader on February 15, 2012, 05:15:25 PM
Played the demo this afternoon and I love it. Can't wait to get the Collector's edition. Can you change equipment this time around. I didn't notice anything in the menu but I could have swore I picked up greaves at one point..
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on February 15, 2012, 05:19:20 PM
I think it's the same as in the last game, you can't change until you're in the Normandy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on February 16, 2012, 03:43:46 PM
Holy mother of all that is holy
DO NOT LEAVE YOUR BUNKER!

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2012/02/mass-effect-3-becomes-true-space-oddity-/1#.Tz1bf7Qs2Sp

(http://i.imgur.com/DbHgo.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 17, 2012, 03:22:54 AM
Multiplayer demo is open to everyone. I got my ass kicked. A lot. But it's a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lard on February 17, 2012, 12:44:46 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/it-will-cost-you-around-870-to-get-mass-effect-3-s-dlc-222045.phtml

Hmmm.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on February 17, 2012, 12:50:29 PM
Most of those things, like the Collector Assault Rifle, are obtainable in game, for no cost.

The other DLC will probably be made for sale later at lower prices (much like how the Incisor was originally a PC-only DLC, but made it over to the consoles, and how the PS3 had the Dr Pepper promo items up on day one).

Sensationalism at its finest.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on February 17, 2012, 08:03:18 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/it-will-cost-you-around-870-to-get-mass-effect-3-s-dlc-222045.phtml

Hmmm.

so like

when you played ff6

did you feel like you did not beat the game until you had every single weapon armor and accessory in your inventory

or did you just play through the game and enjoy it like a normal person

just wondering
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Annubis on February 17, 2012, 08:04:32 PM
The former...

;_;
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on February 17, 2012, 08:30:43 PM
so like

when you played ff6

did you feel like you did not beat the game until you had every single weapon armor and accessory in your inventory

or did you just play through the game and enjoy it like a normal person

just wondering

Did you just pick a classic game at random? Or did you deliberately choose the one where this is not possible?

But, yeah. Annoying practice (especially when they never sell it seperately), but I don't care enough. Bioware's made it an annoying habit anyway since Jade Empire anyway, only ME1 and Sonic were exempted, and at best I just get a few of the easier to get ones (and whatever's in the CE), so it's nothing I really sweat.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Agent D. on February 17, 2012, 08:34:25 PM
Playing mass effect 3, what a piece of shit.

...NOT
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Parn on February 17, 2012, 08:39:05 PM
Did you just pick a classic game at random? Or did you deliberately choose the one where this is not possible?

both
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Lard on February 17, 2012, 09:36:04 PM
But, yeah. Annoying practice (especially when they never sell it seperately), but I don't care enough. Bioware's made it an annoying habit anyway since Jade Empire anyway, only ME1 and Sonic were exempted, and at best I just get a few of the easier to get ones (and whatever's in the CE), so it's nothing I really sweat.

What did they do for Jade Empire?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on February 18, 2012, 02:02:03 AM
But, yeah. Annoying practice (especially when they never sell it seperately), but I don't care enough. Bioware's made it an annoying habit anyway since Jade Empire anyway, only ME1 and Sonic were exempted, and at best I just get a few of the easier to get ones (and whatever's in the CE), so it's nothing I really sweat.

What did they do for Jade Empire?

Pre-order exclusive LE that had an extra character and I think some weapons or at least a style. Similar for BG2, but that had no DRM that prevented sharing. Basically the idea of extra little bits of non-essential content for pre-ordering was not only something they've been toying with for a long time, they practically invented it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on February 18, 2012, 10:01:54 AM
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 20, 2012, 01:10:46 AM
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2012/1159.html

Multiplayer is still fun.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on February 20, 2012, 01:32:59 AM
None of my friends are into ME... which confounds me to the utmost.

So I'm counting on RPGFan for my multiplayer haps
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: (Tunnels) on February 20, 2012, 01:50:24 AM
The new trailer was pretty good, but my minor nitpick is that they decided to show Ashley of all people. Not that I don't like Ashley, but it should have been Liara, considering:

(Not sure if these even count as spoilers anymore, but spoilers for ME and ME2)

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All your other squadmates can potentially die, except Liara. I mean, she's technically the most permanent of all the Squadmates.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on February 20, 2012, 01:59:20 AM
What i don't like about ME3 and maybe it will be explained, is that all the reapers look alike. I thought they were supposed to represent the race that was assimilated / conquered?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: kyuusei on February 20, 2012, 02:20:48 AM
But *have* we seen all the Reapers? I know the Collectors aren't exactly Reapers, but they're
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Protheans. (hey, if we're going to spoiler-tag Liara, I'm spoiler-tagging ME2 haps.). Plus, there's that thing for a final boss at the end of ME2. That don't look like other Reapers.

Yeah, Ashley was an interesting choice. Maybe they just wanted a playable female in there? But if there's going to be an extended trailer, will we see other characters?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Yoda on February 20, 2012, 02:29:17 AM
I'm just saying from the trailers and new game footage all the reapers look the same.


*shruglife*
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Ashton on February 20, 2012, 02:39:35 AM
I was under the impression Reapers assume the general shape of the last race they turned into techno-orgnic slurry and fed into a Reaper, so all the Reapers look squid like, much like how all humans are humanoid despite having a wide range of heights, weights, races, etc.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Eusis on February 20, 2012, 03:26:18 AM
I was under the impression Reapers assume the general shape of the last race they turned into techno-orgnic slurry and fed into a Reaper, so all the Reapers look squid like, much like how all humans are humanoid despite having a wide range of heights, weights, races, etc.

If the Reapers are composed of multiple species that went through that process though then the squid thing may well be a shell they're placed into. Not unless humanity was the ONLY species they saw worthy of "uplifting".

Anyways, time for slight topic change.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: neogalahad on February 20, 2012, 10:45:40 AM
I was under the impression Reapers assume the general shape of the last race they turned into techno-orgnic slurry and fed into a Reaper, so all the Reapers look squid like, much like how all humans are humanoid despite having a wide range of heights, weights, races, etc.

If the Reapers are composed of multiple species that went through that process though then the squid thing may well be a shell they're placed into. Not unless humanity was the ONLY species they saw worthy of "uplifting".

Anyways, time for slight topic change.

I like the idea that the squid looking ship is the shell. Because the boss of ME2 was kinda small compared to the rest of them.
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If I remember correctly, EDI mentioned that there might have been problems when processing the prothean and thats why they made them into the collectors and not a reaper model
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Maxximum on February 21, 2012, 02:58:10 PM
The thing that impressed me with Mass Effect in general, was that they managed to do something no other game I can think of managed to do before. It put a personality in the empty puppet that is your in game avatar. Shepard actually feels like a legitimate character, despite his or her actions and appearance being completely determined by the player. I actually forgot that Shepard can look or act any other way. Now that's impressive.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on February 22, 2012, 04:16:03 AM
I actually forgot that Shepard can look or act any other way. Now that's impressive.
I totally know what you mean by this! It was actually really, really weird to see the default Shepard with that voice and not my Shepard's face instead. I was like, "Hey! That's not Gregory Shepard!" cause it ain't!
Also, to further the "I know what you mean" of all that, it was drastically different jumping into Dragon Age for that reason as well, because your hero, even though it's you, is more of a shell - you make all the same Shepard-ly choices, but there's not character really behind it unless you feel like voice-acting it all aloud, which I've been known to do but not when I'm playing a female dwarven rogue...

@Yoda and kyuusai - Multiplayer is pretty rad and awesome - my buddy and I have been rockin' the demo for all its worth. I'll happily jam with ya', Yoda!

Anyways, this game looks like it'll be a promising finale to the series, and I do really like what they're showing already for the multiplayer. It'll be a good time to run amuck with my Krogan with my friends.

Oh, amusing anecdote: I first jumped into the demo with my bud a few days ago, and he was like, "Go check the shop because you get a free kit with random stuff in it!" which I promptly did and one of my goodies was a level 3 Krogan Soldier. Rock on. My buddy, however, not so thrilled, since he'd been playing for a few days now, spent some money on the $5k pack and still hadn't managed to unlock a new race haha! Then yesterday, another of his friends joined us and in his recruit pack, what does he find? An Asari of somesort. You can only imagine my friend's good-natured frustration and cussing of our names. The End.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 22, 2012, 01:07:25 PM
Somehow they put some DLC on XBL two bloody weeks early.

If you don't want to get spoiled don't read the description. Although I think this spoiler is also in the artbook.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on February 22, 2012, 01:12:56 PM
I actually forgot that Shepard can look or act any other way. Now that's impressive.
I totally know what you mean by this! It was actually really, really weird to see the default Shepard with that voice and not my Shepard's face instead. I was like, "Hey! That's not Gregory Shepard!" cause it ain't!
Also, to further the "I know what you mean" of all that, it was drastically different jumping into Dragon Age for that reason as well, because your hero, even though it's you, is more of a shell - you make all the same Shepard-ly choices, but there's not character really behind it unless you feel like voice-acting it all aloud, which I've been known to do but not when I'm playing a female dwarven rogue...

@Yoda and kyuusai - Multiplayer is pretty rad and awesome - my buddy and I have been rockin' the demo for all its worth. I'll happily jam with ya', Yoda!

Anyways, this game looks like it'll be a promising finale to the series, and I do really like what they're showing already for the multiplayer. It'll be a good time to run amuck with my Krogan with my friends.

Oh, amusing anecdote: I first jumped into the demo with my bud a few days ago, and he was like, "Go check the shop because you get a free kit with random stuff in it!" which I promptly did and one of my goodies was a level 3 Krogan Soldier. Rock on. My buddy, however, not so thrilled, since he'd been playing for a few days now, spent some money on the $5k pack and still hadn't managed to unlock a new race haha! Then yesterday, another of his friends joined us and in his recruit pack, what does he find? An Asari of somesort. You can only imagine my friend's good-natured frustration and cussing of our names. The End.
Tell your friend to stop wasting money on the Recruit Pack and buy Veteran Packs.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on February 22, 2012, 01:13:16 PM
It's taking me every bit of strength to avoid looking at ME3's chapter in that artbook.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on February 22, 2012, 01:13:50 PM
Same here, that's why I haven't opened it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 22, 2012, 01:18:51 PM
I ordered the artbook. The plan was to send it to my parents so I couldn't look at it until I visited them. Ended up sending it to myself. I'm going to have to stay the hell away, at least from the ME3 chapter.

And - yeah really. Don't bother with recruit packs. It's easy to save your credits and get veteran ones. I've bought like 5-6 but only unlocked one other character. Damnit.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on February 22, 2012, 02:48:41 PM
Am I the only one thinking that what Bioware did to the DLC character is a complete dick move? When I first read about the leaked CE contents, I thought he would also be available to everyone who purchased the game new, no matter which edition. Seems I was completely wrong.

Now they want people to pay $10 for a character that was perfectly well integrated into the plot? I had the game spoiled a month ago and decided to check the leaked and script and, well, he was there like any other squadmate. Bioware just cut him off.

Not to mention the importance of such character being reduced to DLC. Holy shit.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Maxximum on February 22, 2012, 03:02:20 PM
Am I the only one thinking that what Bioware did to the DLC character is a complete dick move?

Don't you just love it when those zany guys EA acquire a new developer? They start to brainstorm and hilarity ensues! I really think they should take it a step further next time. Why remove just a character? Take out the entire middle of the game. Want to see the end of the game? But the DLC! Now that's good business!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on February 22, 2012, 03:07:10 PM
I know which squad member you're talking about, I think, but I haven't played the game yet, so I'll refrain from making any judgements until I do; if his is as integrated as it seems... wtf, EA.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Maxximum on February 22, 2012, 03:08:38 PM
I know which squad member you're talking about, I think, but I haven't played the game yet, so I'll refrain from making any judgements until I do; if his is as integrated as it seems... wtf, EA.

Its Shepard
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on February 22, 2012, 08:14:12 PM
I'm pissed at that, though I always intended to nab the CE anyway. The worst part of it is that it won't stop anyone from buying it as dlc. I look forward to this game, but dick move bioware. For shame.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on February 22, 2012, 08:19:12 PM
I know which squad member you're talking about, I think, but I haven't played the game yet, so I'll refrain from making any judgements until I do; if his is as integrated as it seems... wtf, EA.

Its Shepard

(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2523/emotlaughup0.gif)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 22, 2012, 08:33:36 PM
It's Shepard's paragon/renegade/opposite sex twin, which ever morality you didn't play.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on February 22, 2012, 11:33:59 PM
Tell your friend to stop wasting money on the Recruit Pack and buy Veteran Packs.

I think he's finally discovered that, but even still, he's only getting exp. boosts to the humans he's already got. I've only gotten two of those too from my own...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on February 22, 2012, 11:38:39 PM
New characters are Ultra Rare, so it's incredibly difficult to find one; I only unlocked the Salarian Infiltrator myself.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Serene Prophet on February 23, 2012, 12:17:10 AM
I for one am gonna take them at their statement that the content was made after the game was finished and shipped to certification.  If not..oh well, the only way they stop is if people stop buying the content.  Frankly ive become so tired with all this dlc bickering, so ive just decided to buy what I feel like, and if that makes me some corporate tool oh well.  I could tell them for shame, but if they are doing this, then they obviously no longer care, or EA has consumed their souls and they have no choice in the matter anyways.  Considering that the gaming community is one of the more.."vocal" out there, I doubt any more amount of ranting is gonna make them change their mind.  Then again I laugh because alot of these people will end up buying it anyways, swallowing their pride, after they swore they would never even buy another bioware game after DA2.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on February 23, 2012, 01:30:50 AM
alot of these people will end up buying it anyways, swallowing their pride, after they swore they would never even buy another bioware game after DA2.

Wait, they made Dragon Age 2!? Eff this...

*leaves, slams door behind him*











lawl.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on February 23, 2012, 02:18:47 AM
I'm genuinely pleased with the multiplayer. Before I tried it my opinion ran the gambit between "awww hell naw" to "if it's good I'll play it."

The first thing I really noticed is: it's no cakewalk. Enemies are very aggressive and come at you with pretty much equal health and equipment. The level up and upgrade mechanics are fun. The actual control is sweet, though it seems like the heavy melee misses when it shouldn't.

I like the "store" and the difficulty a lot. I played with one other player and getting anywhere felt like a achievement in itself. One tactic that I noticed that seems to work is to keep moving, that way you don't get swarmed.

The variety of enemies is great, from what I saw and I only made it to level 5 ;)

It'll be interesting to see exactly how this all affects the campaign.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 23, 2012, 02:21:07 AM
Perfecting the human vanguard. BE AFRAID.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Serene Prophet on February 23, 2012, 02:37:06 AM
Agreed Yoda, I was worried myself, but so far its been put to rest.  Not very good at it yet of course, but its been addicting.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on February 23, 2012, 04:32:27 AM
I'm genuinely pleased with the multiplayer. Before I tried it my opinion ran the gambit between "awww hell naw" to "if it's good I'll play it."

The first thing I really noticed is: it's no cakewalk. Enemies are very aggressive and come at you with pretty much equal health and equipment. The level up and upgrade mechanics are fun. The actual control is sweet, though it seems like the heavy melee misses when it shouldn't.

I like the "store" and the difficulty a lot. I played with one other player and getting anywhere felt like a achievement in itself. One tactic that I noticed that seems to work is to keep moving, that way you don't get swarmed.

The variety of enemies is great, from what I saw and I only made it to level 5 ;)

It'll be interesting to see exactly how this all affects the campaign.

I agree on most of these points, and its definitely best with folks ya' know. My buddy and I have managed to beat all 10 waves once on Bronze. Since then, it's been a crapshoot... We got to 9 again once, but failed at the final moment... Stupid Phantoms... hates the Phantoms...

I'm looking forward to the addition of more gameplay elements and goals in the full version - otherwise, it'll get pretty stale if they don't.

Also, I joined a random group online to take on the Silver level... Wave 2 = pwned every time...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on February 23, 2012, 12:16:52 PM
I love the come-down-to-the-wire epic feeling you get when you barely beat a wave. Especially if a partner has bit the dust and you're capping fools with a shotgun in the face.

If the story mode lives up to ME2 and has what the series is known for the combo of that and really tight online play could make this my most favoritest game ever .
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 23, 2012, 12:24:27 PM
Especially if said partner bit the dust because biotic Charge landed her right smack in the middle of enemies. D:

Seriously though, I can't wait for more maps in the full version. The Cerberus ones get tiresome after a while, need a fresh new challenge.

One thing I noticed last night while looking at rankings is that the top ranked people are level 120. How is that possible?! These fools must have been playing since the Battlefield 3-unlocked portion of the multiplayer began. Crazy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on February 23, 2012, 03:27:08 PM
Especially if said partner bit the dust because biotic Charge landed her right smack in the middle of enemies. D:

Seriously though, I can't wait for more maps in the full version. The Cerberus ones get tiresome after a while, need a fresh new challenge.

One thing I noticed last night while looking at rankings is that the top ranked people are level 120. How is that possible?! These fools must have been playing since the Battlefield 3-unlocked portion of the multiplayer began. Crazy.

My buddy remarked on that too when I first joined up. It's madness/no life much? Or they're all pro and finish all 10 waves EVERY TIME.

But yeah, totally know that down-to-the-wire vibe you're talking about, Yoda. Pinned to that fighter plane at White Base, both weapons out of ammo, an Atlas slowly creeping around after you whilst you keep ducking behind the thankfully indestructible cover...! You feel badass when you pull outta' that!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 24, 2012, 01:48:42 PM
Things I realized months after preordering the PS3 collectors edition AND after the 360 CE is long sold out: so far I don't know anyone who's actually getting the PS3 version. Are any of you? I could play multiplayer with randoms but that's not nearly as fun.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on February 24, 2012, 02:23:06 PM
I am getting all three.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Cyril on February 24, 2012, 02:33:06 PM
Things I realized months after preordering the PS3 collectors edition AND after the 360 CE is long sold out: so far I don't know anyone who's actually getting the PS3 version. Are any of you? I could play multiplayer with randoms but that's not nearly as fun.

The only reason I'm getting the 360 version is because I have ME1 data I'd like to transfer.  The PS3 comic doesn't have all of the lesser decisions - but honestly at this point I'm not sure they even matter.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on February 24, 2012, 03:51:51 PM
360 here and I'd love to get a 4 player game going. I think I'm pretty much done w/ the demo version. I've seen enough to know I'll love it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 24, 2012, 04:01:38 PM
I didn't have a 360 when I preordered, but now I have saves on both systems. As far as the minor decisions go it'd be nice to see references and whatnot. Both of my Sheps are similar but I prefer more of the decisions made by 360!Shep.

Now watch me be a sucker and get the 360 version too haha.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on February 24, 2012, 04:10:30 PM
Parn got me into part 1 on 360 way back when. Been there since, and honestly, it's the only thing keeping my 360 from console retirement.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on February 24, 2012, 04:59:45 PM
360 here and I'd love to get a 4 player game going. I think I'm pretty much done w/ the demo version. I've seen enough to know I'll love it.

I'm in!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Dice on February 24, 2012, 05:01:05 PM
360 here and I'd love to get a 4 player game going. I think I'm pretty much done w/ the demo version. I've seen enough to know I'll love it.

I'm in!

:(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: GrimReality on February 24, 2012, 09:38:23 PM
360 ME2 file was corrupted, so I planned on getting the PS3 version and start fresh. Then my wife goes and preorders the 360 version for me, so I guess I'll be playing that version. I simply prefer gaming on the PS3 nowadays. It's quieter. It's all on one disk. I have plenty of hard drive space(120 vs 20 on the 360). Nan told me that she didn't know which version to get, so she looked in my game cabinet, saw the previous 2 were 360, and went that route. I told her that was just fine. Didn't have the heart to say otherwise.
I may actually want to play some multi now that I'll be on a better connection. Not until after I play through the main game, though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on February 25, 2012, 02:59:31 AM
360 here and I'd love to get a 4 player game going. I think I'm pretty much done w/ the demo version. I've seen enough to know I'll love it.

I'm in!

:(

Two slick guys playing ME3 and you're not coming?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 25, 2012, 03:15:14 AM
The sadface confuses me...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on February 25, 2012, 04:26:31 AM
Things I realized months after preordering the PS3 collectors edition AND after the 360 CE is long sold out: so far I don't know anyone who's actually getting the PS3 version. Are any of you? I could play multiplayer with randoms but that's not nearly as fun.

Maybe if they have some crazy sale with ME2 and 3 for $20 together on PSN, especially given ME2 was the start of EA going "NO MORE MANUALS!". My view is that I started on 360, and I'll end it on 360 before tackling other versions like the PC games.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: (Tunnels) on February 26, 2012, 01:15:12 AM
360 here and I'd love to get a 4 player game going. I think I'm pretty much done w/ the demo version. I've seen enough to know I'll love it.

If I ever get Gold I'm totes in. Honestly, I only played a little but ME3 multiplayer makes it pretty tempting.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 26, 2012, 02:16:20 AM
Fuck it, I'm absolutely going to cave once I have the money and get a 360 copy too.

It's not like I haven't given BioWare enough freaking money already, what's another $60 unless I can hold out for a sale or find the 360 CE?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on February 26, 2012, 04:26:40 AM
Fuck it, I'm absolutely going to cave once I have the money and get a 360 copy too.

It's not like I haven't given BioWare enough freaking money already, what's another $60 unless I can hold out for a sale or find the 360 CE?

Hahaha Peer pressure for the win!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on February 26, 2012, 04:41:56 AM
I'm up for multiplayer on any system.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: D-Rider on February 26, 2012, 10:36:51 AM
Fuck it, I'm absolutely going to cave once I have the money and get a 360 copy too.

It's not like I haven't given BioWare enough freaking money already, what's another $60 unless I can hold out for a sale or find the 360 CE?

This may very well be the least surprising announcement in all of recorded history. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on February 26, 2012, 10:47:51 AM
So holy shit I must've been drunk or just plain STUPID when I pre-ordered ME3. I bought Amalur for the 360 the same time and for some REASON I got ME3:CE for PSFUCKING3. I feel so fucking stupid right now. Why the fuck .....

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 26, 2012, 12:02:06 PM
Welcome to my boat Yoda.

Hey, maybe I won't be alone on PS3 multiplayer after all.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on February 26, 2012, 12:14:13 PM
I'm probably going to cancel it and bend over and take the pipe up the *** on ebay for a copy on 360. Even though that's a lot of money it's cheaper than buying the ps3 collectors and a regular 360 copy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Dice on February 26, 2012, 12:58:17 PM
I'm probably going to cancel it and bend over and take the pipe up the *** on ebay for a copy on 360. Even though that's a lot of money it's cheaper than buying the ps3 collectors and a regular 360 copy.

PSHAT3R for X3shitty.

I actually took up ME2 for a bit the other day, and I really liked it...
I wish I had the time.  This summer, I intend to be a TV vegetable for gaming and hobbies...and work.  Everyone else can shove it and just join me in my gaming room.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 26, 2012, 01:32:34 PM
I'm probably going to cancel it and bend over and take the pipe up the *** on ebay for a copy on 360. Even though that's a lot of money it's cheaper than buying the ps3 collectors and a regular 360 copy.
DAMNIT YODA DON'T LEAVE ME ALONE IN PS3 LAND.

I'd probably do the same if I didn't mind having ME3 on two systems. I mean I have ME2 on two, so hey, why the fuck not?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on February 26, 2012, 04:32:55 PM
The deed is done!


Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: GrimReality on February 26, 2012, 06:41:11 PM
It seems so odd to me to hinge ones gaming decisions on the multiplayer possibilities. MP isn't even a blip on the radar when it comes to ME. To me they are single player games. I imagine the multiplayer is fun, but considering how much I suck at games in general, it would be a waste of time for me to even try it. Let alone the fact that by the time I get through a game, I am more than ready to move on to a new one.
I also don't get why someone would buy the same game for both consoles. That's just weird. I wish i had that kind of expendable cash.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 26, 2012, 07:22:03 PM
I'd rather be using my 360 save. I prefer my decisions on there. Actually having people to multiplayer with is a bonus. I'd switch if I didn't have a CE reserve and they weren't sold out, to boot.

Owning ME3 on two systems doesn't bother me because again, I did this with ME2. It's not a normal occurrence with me - hell, it never happens outside of ME. I know people getting it on all three.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on February 26, 2012, 07:23:15 PM
The multiplayer is a ton of fun and for people w/ two consoles who's going to be doing what on each system is a good enough factor to determine which copy you get. After all is said and done I bet I put almost as many hours into the multi on ME3 as I do the campaign. Of course this depends on how long the campaign is.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Annubis on February 27, 2012, 11:24:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0Rl16elKo

ME2 had some slick sexy running... why change it to baboon stomping?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on February 28, 2012, 04:31:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0Rl16elKo

ME2 had some slick sexy running... why change it to baboon stomping?

Thank you J. Jonah Jameson. You made me lawl. That running looked silly. I'm glad I'm a boy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Dice on February 28, 2012, 10:57:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0Rl16elKo

ME2 had some slick sexy running... why change it to baboon stomping?

It's like the running drill where the tires are on the ground and you gotta jump from tire hole to tire hole.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: (Tunnels) on February 28, 2012, 12:50:27 PM
I know I'm late to the party on this one, but I played LotSB last night, and to echo the thoughts of Kirk Hamilton in his article about ME3 (http://kotaku.com/5873558/5-reasons-im-totally-not-nervous-about-mass-effect-3), if all of ME3 is like this DLC, I will love every bit of it. The writing and interactions between Shepard and Liara were great, the action parts were well done, and it delivered TWO memorable boss fights. I loved all the in-jokes too, and they really captured the sense of that special relationship between two really good friends/comrades.

The part that really got me was the personal continuity. During the first boss fight:

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I chose the Paragon dialog option, and Shepard brought up his actions regarding the Rachni and how he saved the council (in my game), and used it to intimidate Tela Vasir. I really dig these throwbacks to these previous decisions, since they were kinda sorta super important, so why not bring them up more.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 28, 2012, 01:49:21 PM
Ha. I love the Renegade text (Intimidate) that my FemShep used on that boss, even if it's mean.
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It's not continuity like the Paragon text, but renegade Shepard just calls Tela Vasir a coward, telling her that asari should really just stick to dancing. 'Play to their strengths.' She then threatens to kill the hostage and then show her how a [i]real[/i] Spectre gets things done. (Last time I didn't have enough Intimidate so I wounded the hostage.)That fight is most badass if you're also a Vanguard. Zooming around the map in a cat-and-mouse game of 'who can biotic charge who harder' is so much fun. The second boss fight, the one at the end of LotSB is probably my favourite in all of ME2.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: GrimReality on February 28, 2012, 04:16:32 PM
Thanks a lot guys. Just when I was getting over my ME2 file being corrupted and not being able to play LoTSB, now I read this stuff. Thanks SO much.
*runs away sobbing*
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Hidoshi on February 28, 2012, 09:50:56 PM
Marathoning ME1 and 2 just so I have fresh games to import into each other with the release of ME3. I actually want to replay all as MaleShep at some point, but I do love my FemShep so far. Finished ME1, and almost done ME2 (I think).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on February 28, 2012, 10:13:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0Rl16elKo

ME2 had some slick sexy running... why change it to baboon stomping?

It's like the running drill where the tires are on the ground and you gotta jump from tire hole to tire hole.

I was thinking she had a loaded space diaper.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on February 29, 2012, 12:36:43 AM
That fight is most badass if you're also a Vanguard. Zooming around the map in a cat-and-mouse game of 'who can biotic charge who harder' is so much fun. The second boss fight, the one at the end of LotSB is probably my favourite in all of ME2.

I loved Vanguarding it up in ME2. But man... getting yourself separated from the group could really do you in some times. I kinda' wanna' play LotSB now! Everyone's had pretty positive reviews about it, but I just didn't take the time or spend the space bucks to dive into it!

Also, to recap, who should I be adding to XBL for ME3 multiplayer goodness?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on February 29, 2012, 12:47:42 AM
LotSB was really good. It's cheap now, or it was a week ago when I got it.


I'm Syz 9000 on xbla

That's a space and those are zeros
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 29, 2012, 01:14:26 AM
LotSB was awesome. Get it!

And Vanguard... I try to charge if there aren't TOO many enemies. At least in ME3 we'll have heavy melee AND Nova. Oh god yes team Vanguard.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on February 29, 2012, 02:13:41 AM
Oh god yes team Vanguard.

!!! Do you think we could biotic charge juggle!?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on February 29, 2012, 02:56:17 AM
YES.

Maas Effect on XBLA because fuck being Forever Alone on PSN. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 01, 2012, 01:19:12 PM
Don't know how many of you are getting it digitally, but here you go.

(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m07ifoEJit1qbmew7o1_r2_500.gif)

Also, I feel sorry for people in the UK whose preorders all got screwed up yesterday.

Also also. I refused to triple post but I really love this launch trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8UJ2fyEW5w&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on March 02, 2012, 03:24:17 PM
... I just got epiced...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Fyle on March 03, 2012, 10:00:06 PM
I'm playing ME2 for the first time. It's the first Bioware game I played since
Knights of the old republic on the original XBOX.

It actually feels very similar to kotor.

I'm a bit lost in the story, I'm just flying around the galaxy ( world map ) rescuing Shepards target recruits and
burning fuel. I have stayed away from Bioware games for years so, I'm gonna give it a fair chance before I jump into what I don't like.

If anyone could fill in some backstory in a nice summed up way, that would be cool. If its too complicated, ah, that's cool too. ヾ(@⌒ー⌒@)ノ

I've heard reviewers complain the sound "cuts out."
Seems to me this happens only when I am near death. Seems like a deliberate effect.
Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 04, 2012, 03:04:45 AM
Did you get the Genesis interactive comic that lets you make the ME1 decisions? It sums up ME1 but apparently skips a planet.

The cutting off tends to happen to the voiced dialogue at times, which likes to randomly cut out before the character has finished their sentence. The lack of sound you hear when you're dying is actually deliberate.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Fyle on March 04, 2012, 10:00:35 AM
Did you get the Genesis interactive comic that lets you make the ME1 decisions? It sums up ME1 but apparently skips a planet.


Nope. Never heard of it. ヾ(@⌒ー⌒@)ノ

Just kinda half ass playing through these games. Just wanna fill in the story as quickly and easily as possible. While of course, a good story is welcome, it's not exactly why I play RPGs. This one is story heavy so, just don't wanna be too much in the dark is all.

Collectors wanna destroy the human racd and now Im working with a company I fought against in the past. That's as complex as I can make it for now ..
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on March 04, 2012, 10:06:19 AM
Mass Effect 1 establishes the basic plot, and you miss out on a lot by not playing it.  Mass Effect 2 doesn't really move the plot forward at all, but instead chooses to flesh out the Mass Effect universe so that you have context when a bunch of crap happens in Mass Effect 3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Fyle on March 04, 2012, 11:18:32 AM
Mass Effect 1 establishes the basic plot, and you miss out on a lot by not playing it.  Mass Effect 2 doesn't really move the plot forward at all, but instead chooses to flesh out the Mass Effect universe so that you have context when a bunch of crap happens in Mass Effect 3.

Thanks.

I do
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Fyle on March 04, 2012, 11:27:00 AM
Mass Effect 1 establishes the basic plot, and you miss out on a lot by not playing it.  Mass Effect 2 doesn't really move the plot forward at all, but instead chooses to flesh out the Mass Effect universe so that you have context when a bunch of crap happens in Mass Effect 3.

Thanks. Good to know.

I only have a PS 3 so no real way to actually play ME1 myself. I guess I can fill in the story somehow. I'm still on the fence weather I like Bioware games. Giving this a chance. So far, I like it, but, it's not exactly my type of RPG.

There are some pretty refreshing things about this play style and attention to character Bioware puts in, but ultimAtely, I don't feel as much freedom and control in the way I like. I guess these threads aren't here to judge games, but, this is  a well recieved franchise, figured I'd pitch that in.

I'm gonna give the Dragon Age series a chance too. I'm liking this game, but, it just feels like there is a level of depth missing too it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on March 04, 2012, 12:02:56 PM
Dragon Age has an unremarkable world and a fairly generic plot... but it has fantastic characters.  You'll either love Dragon Age: Origins, or you'll be bored to tears.  There doesn't seem to be any middle ground.  I enjoyed it enough to play through it twice.

Dragon Age 2 is... a rushed product, and it shows.  Was very disappointed with it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Matrix on March 04, 2012, 12:05:45 PM
I dont know why but I skipped out on the mass effect series......... I know it gets alot of press these days.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 04, 2012, 01:17:25 PM
Top 5 Reasons Mass Effect 3 Kicks Ass! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sa6ipD5gpA)
Top 5 Reasons Mass Effect 3 Sucks! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8uyNV5vK_I)

I'm not into Mass Effect but is always nice to see these kinds of videos from time to time just to know why so many is so excited.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Matrix on March 04, 2012, 01:25:56 PM
those are funny links
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on March 04, 2012, 01:31:07 PM
i agree lol
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on March 04, 2012, 01:31:30 PM
wat does every1 else think about those linx
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Matrix on March 04, 2012, 01:35:00 PM
honestly I could see mass effect ( if handled by japan) turn into 1 awesome srpg
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 04, 2012, 01:44:31 PM
^Just one?

wat does every1 else think about those linx

It doesn't matter really. I'm pretty sure ME3 will sell a lot of copies anyways. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Matrix on March 04, 2012, 02:10:56 PM
different meaning of the word one.


One as in


this is one fine women

Not

there is one fine women
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 04, 2012, 02:53:19 PM
I call gamestop yesterday to check on preorder availability in my area for the CE, which I had checked two days ago and was told yeah sure we got plenty of em available no problem. Turns out they sold out a week and a half ago. I tell the manager what the other person told me and he says she was recently let go for being a useless fuck in less vulgar terms. This further my anger about gamestop being the bane of video games. The guy tried to offer me a preorder on the regular copy to which I said yeah no thanks. I am so tired of this CE bullshit, having to pay an extra 20 bucks just to get access to some other crap that should be in the game. The CE titles are supposed to have collectables, hence collector's edition. Artbook, soundtrack, replicas of in game items. Everyone rushed for this for the dlc being distributed with it, hell I haven't even heard of what is in the CE besides access to in game bullshit. Bioware and gamestop can both go fuck themselves with this trick.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 04, 2012, 08:55:40 PM
Man, if Amazon screwed that up for me I'd probably grab ME3 sooner than later more to avoid being spoiled than anything else. I have each of the CEs, so it'd be lame to miss out on the last one due to failing to meet demand, similarly to the Dark Souls fiasco (only for a few more to pop up, of course), and unlike Dark Souls it doesn't sound like it's so limp they may as well have not bothered.

As for Dragon Age: I enjoyed the first, but petered out for some reason, maybe I ended up playing Demon's Souls more instead or something. Have yet to really get into the second because I'd still like to finish DA1 first.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Fyle on March 05, 2012, 04:11:24 AM
As for Dragon Age: I enjoyed the first, but petered out for some reason, maybe I ended up playing Demon's Souls more instead or something. Have yet to really get into the second because I'd still like to finish DA1 first.

I got Demons souls to help me wait for Amulur and so far I've put twice as many hours into Demon Souls.
I got Dark Souls to hold me off when I was waiting for Skyrim and Dark Souls ended up being almost as good imo.

Something about those games make them so solid.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: (Tunnels) on March 05, 2012, 03:37:58 PM
FemShep version of Take Back Earth Trailer. (http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/03/05/mass-effect-3-femshep-trailer/)

Pretty much the same up till the end where its FemShep instead of MaleShep. Nice to see her get the CGI treatment though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 05, 2012, 03:39:57 PM
Now they just need to make the FemShep Launch Trailer.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 05, 2012, 03:44:09 PM
FemShep looked pretty awesome in that trailer, I agree. I want an HD version, haha.

You guys following the Alliance News Network stuff? https://twitter.com/AllianceNewsNet Updates from the POV of Emily Wong, pretty neat marketing IMO.
Now they just need to make the FemShep Launch Trailer.

That would make my week. I mean, if ME3 wasn't doing that already.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: (Tunnels) on March 05, 2012, 06:34:47 PM
You guys following the Alliance News Network stuff? https://twitter.com/AllianceNewsNet Updates from the POV of Emily Wong, pretty neat marketing IMO.

These ARG posts are working on me. I keep seeing new tweets from "Emily Wong" and I keep thinking, "Shit, I need to start up my Xbox and get down there and help!"
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: GrimReality on March 05, 2012, 09:43:53 PM
You guys following the Alliance News Network stuff? https://twitter.com/AllianceNewsNet Updates from the POV of Emily Wong, pretty neat marketing IMO.

These ARG posts are working on me. I keep seeing new tweets from "Emily Wong" and I keep thinking, "Shit, I need to start up my Xbox and get down there and help!"

This is great, but I'd like to be able to go back and start from the beginning. Is there a way to do that without scrolling forever?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: John on March 06, 2012, 09:29:30 AM
My embargo is up.

But all of the things I want to talk about no one has gotten to yet.  This still makes me sad.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Matrix on March 06, 2012, 09:33:09 AM
My embargo is up.

But all of the things I want to talk about no one has gotten to yet.  This still makes me sad.

Its funny I read the review and then I saw the score and based on every thing in the review,  I pegged it for an 8.5. That never works for me.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: John on March 06, 2012, 09:42:32 AM
My embargo is up.

But all of the things I want to talk about no one has gotten to yet.  This still makes me sad.

Its funny I read the review and then I saw the score and based on every thing in the review,  I pegged it for an 8.5. That never works for me.

I think I try to focus on what's done new or differently in sequels - Mass Effect 3 has an incredibly solid core that's been built up over the past two games.  It's just got its niggles here and there.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Matrix on March 06, 2012, 09:47:39 AM
I wouldnt know. I was just refering to the point that I never get the score right when I read the review first and then imagine what the score could be based on the review

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: GrimReality on March 06, 2012, 09:52:26 AM
I don't like that multiplayer affects your "readiness" to defend the galaxy. So I can never get above 50% without playing MP? Not cool. They should keep the two completely separate. I know you said that it's enough to beat the game, but it still feels like you haven't really done everything. Obviously, I have yet to play, so maybe it won't matter to me when I get there, but it just sounds wrong to me.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: John on March 06, 2012, 09:59:59 AM
I don't like that multiplayer affects your "readiness" to defend the galaxy. So I can never get above 50% without playing MP? Not cool. They should keep the two completely separate. I know you said that it's enough to beat the game, but it still feels like you haven't really done everything. Obviously, I have yet to play, so maybe it won't matter to me when I get there, but it just sounds wrong to me.

It's difficult to explain elegantly without going into great detail.  There are three numbers related to your galactic readiness: your total military might, your multiplier, and your effective military might.  There's then a big green bar that shows your effective might compared to the minimum and maximum.  Every time you collect a doodad or complete a mission, your total military might goes up.  It's then multiplied by the multiplier and put to your effective total might.  So you can do one of two things: collect more doodads to increase your total might or you can play multiplayer missions to up your multiplier.  Both of these things are going to increase your effective military might, just in different ways.  BioWare has done a fantastic job making it so either can be an effective way to up that green bar, which is the only thing you NEED to do.  It's just whether you do it by increasing your total might or by increasing your multiplier.  If you play multiplayer, you don't have to scan as many planets.  If you don't want to scan a lot of planets, shoot some doods online.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: ZeronHitaro on March 06, 2012, 10:12:47 AM
For once I'm kinda glad that GT reviews are rather spoiler-ish. I was considering picking up this series on Steam someday until I heard the following.

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Unlike the other games, ME3 pretty much doesn't allow you to effect the ending. No matter your
choices in the 3 total games it all ends the same. Pity; the thought of different endings based on three games
worth of choices was actually enough to make me consider playing it despite heavy FPS elements. Ah well.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: John on March 06, 2012, 12:13:26 PM
Alright, I can't hold myself.  I want to talk about some of the great moments and hear about the choices others made.

BEWARE: THE BELOW SPOILER BLOCK CONTAINS HUGE MASSIVE SPOILERS ABOUT PARTS LATE IN THE GAME.  Read at your own risk.

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So, first off, the Geth vs the Quarians.  I was amazed at how these scenarios played out.  Legion died in my ME2 playthrough, and he's replaced in ME3 with a VI of himself in a similar body.  It was really creepy, and then the choice at the end was heartwrenching.  Having to choose between a fully sentient geth that would give you a much better chance against the reapers versus the less powerful but more human-like Quarians?  I ended up choosing the Quarians, and one of the lines after I killed the Legion-VI was great. Legion-VI said that he should have known better than to trust organics, and after his death, Tali said, "The real Legion would have understood."  I wonder how similarly that scenario plays out if Legion had lived.  It gives me a reason to play through all of the games again.

I was similarly pleased with the Udina situation, though I honestly wish that it wasn't due to indoctrination.  I would have loved to seen Udina simply try to attempt a coup because he was power hungry, not because he was working for the Reapers.  Still, I shot his ass without a second thought.

I was also disappointed by the fact that you are told by the Elcor ambassador that his people are walking tanks with heavy weapons, and then the "mission" is to scan the planet.  I want Elcor tanks damnit!

The ending.. well, I know no one is there yet, but I really want to see what people think about it.  My emotions on it are mixed.  Really mixed.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 06, 2012, 12:24:50 PM
I'm avoiding reviews, both video and text, but can someone tell me if they kept the same planet scanning system from ME2?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: John on March 06, 2012, 12:26:52 PM
I'm avoiding reviews, both video and text, but can someone tell me if they kept the same planet scanning system from ME2?

Kind of.  They stripped out the mineral system completely.  What you have instead is you can send out a ping while you're flying around in the Normandy - if you catch a planet or piece of space debris that has something on it, it pops up red.  You then go scan the planet (with a line that says where the thing is).  This is how you increase a lot of your military readiness if you're not playing multiplayer.  Ping too much, though, and you'll have reapers chasing you and you'll have to leave the system and go elsewhere.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 06, 2012, 12:27:47 PM
Cool. Thanks!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Dice on March 06, 2012, 12:30:42 PM
Alright, I can't hold myself.  I want to talk about some of the great moments and hear about the choices others made.

BEWARE: THE BELOW SPOILER BLOCK CONTAINS HUGE MASSIVE SPOILERS ABOUT PARTS LATE IN THE GAME.  Read at your own risk.

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So, first off, the Geth vs the Quarians.  I was amazed at how these scenarios played out.  Legion died in my ME2 playthrough, and he's replaced in ME3 with a VI of himself in a similar body.  It was really creepy, and then the choice at the end was heartwrenching.  Having to choose between a fully sentient geth that would give you a much better chance against the reapers versus the less powerful but more human-like Quarians?  I ended up choosing the Quarians, and one of the lines after I killed the Legion-VI was great. Legion-VI said that he should have known better than to trust organics, and after his death, Tali said, "The real Legion would have understood."  I wonder how similarly that scenario plays out if Legion had lived.  It gives me a reason to play through all of the games again.

I was similarly pleased with the Udina situation, though I honestly wish that it wasn't due to indoctrination.  I would have loved to seen Udina simply try to attempt a coup because he was power hungry, not because he was working for the Reapers.  Still, I shot his ass without a second thought.

I was also disappointed by the fact that you are told by the Elcor ambassador that his people are walking tanks with heavy weapons, and then the "mission" is to scan the planet.  I want Elcor tanks damnit!

The ending.. well, I know no one is there yet, but I really want to see what people think about it.  My emotions on it are mixed.  Really mixed.

From what I know about the games, having not played one through completely...
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I thought a lot of people "guessed" that ending anyhow.  Especially given the "Shepard" context and name-pun.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 06, 2012, 02:24:46 PM
I'm not far in. The PS3 framerate is a bit of an issue, and the controls nearly killed it for me. I almost missed a renegade interrupt OH NOES - but seriously, after playing ME1 and 2 plus the demo a whole ton on 360, I was having a hell of a time getting used to the shoulder buttons being swapped until I found out I can swap them back to what I was used to on the 360. Durrr.

Also my imported Shepard turned out a lot better than the Shepards I created from scratch in the demo. I am happy. Also that I started out at level 29.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 06, 2012, 03:04:08 PM
I noticed Kyuusie playing on ps3 and became anxious about my ebay copy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 07, 2012, 02:57:08 AM
I approve of EDI's newer sense of humor. The recycle oxygen joke(and shepard's face afterwards) were pretty funny.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on March 07, 2012, 06:13:30 AM
I noticed Kyuusie playing on ps3 and became anxious about my ebay copy.

Thieved? heh.

I'm going to pick my copy up this weekend, most likely. Just want to get a little more out of Amalur: Reckoning (which is flippin' awesome) before sinking in time online with you folks!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Akanbe- on March 07, 2012, 07:41:35 PM
John or anyone,

Does Tali show her face?

How does the LE/CE character come into play in the story, if at all?

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I noticed Kyuusie playing on ps3 and became anxious about my ebay copy.

Why ebay?  Did you shell out extra $$ to get the LE/CE when it was sold out in stores?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Cyril on March 07, 2012, 10:22:55 PM
Does Tali show her face?

Looks like you missed the huge shitstorm about this last night.
With as few spoilers as possible:
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Yes, she shows her face in a picture, though not directly in-model.  However, one 4channer discovered that the picture
they used was actually a very slightly photoshopped version of a stock photo of a human woman.  And I mean -very- slightly
modified, simply editing out two fingers, adding lens flare, and changing the color.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 07, 2012, 10:28:08 PM
I just wanted to say....

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GRUNT FUCKING RULES.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: John on March 07, 2012, 11:13:59 PM
John or anyone,

Does Tali show her face?

How does the LE/CE character come into play in the story, if at all?

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I noticed Kyuusie playing on ps3 and became anxious about my ebay copy.

Why ebay?  Did you shell out extra $$ to get the LE/CE when it was sold out in stores?

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Tali's Face: http://youtu.be/BMuWVtsxiH4

As for the DLC character: No.  He's really not necessary or related at all.  Kind of a rip off.  My review for the DLC will be up sometime soon.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Annubis on March 07, 2012, 11:42:52 PM
Does Tali show her face?

Looks like you missed the huge shitstorm about this last night.
With as few spoilers as possible:
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Yes, she shows her face in a picture, though not directly in-model.  However, one 4channer discovered that the picture
they used was actually a very slightly photoshopped version of a stock photo of a human woman.  And I mean -very- slightly
modified, simply editing out two fingers, adding lens flare, and changing the color.

Really? Wow... that is seriously all kinds of lame.

EDIT: from about 8 months ago
http://kotaku.com/5817782/mass-effect-3s-makers-arent-ready-for-talis-closeup

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we've had a lot of debate over Tali's face, but that's the one we kind of dread a lot. We're always "well, let's talk about something else for a while!" That's something we're going to have to decide.

I guess they only got around to it 5 minutes before release.
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Post by: Ashton on March 08, 2012, 01:23:27 AM
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Post by: Murdoc on March 08, 2012, 01:56:12 AM
So i've gone back about 7 pages in the discussion, and I'm wondering why no one is talking about the broken character import in Mass Effect 3? A game that's central theme is the continuation of a character throughout the series doesn't recognize a character used throughout the series? I was seriously pissed off when my custom shep's face couldn't be imported. How did that get past testing? They're working on a patch im sure, but this is just unacceptable. Not to mention the launch DLC and the online pass (lame). Why should I have to pay an extra $10 for DLC that obviously could have easily been implemented into the game from the start. Mass Effect 2 had far too much (unworthy) DLC and it seems like 3 will be no different, but I could deal with that, I love Mass Effect. It just pisses me off that I just spent $65 dollars on a broken and IMO an incomplete game. It feels like Bioware (EA) made more of an effort to bring in new players (money) into ME3 than satisfy the ones playing from the start.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 08, 2012, 06:44:29 AM
^I stop reading when you said ME2's dlc was unworthy.



My $ebay$ copy is on it's way! Currently "in transit" in ROMULUS, Michigan.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on March 08, 2012, 08:47:13 AM
Arrival is a pretty shitty DLC.  Overlord is mediocre at best.  Lair of the Shadow Broker was pimp though.  Best DLC I've ever paid for.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 08, 2012, 09:24:31 AM
Arrival is a pretty shitty DLC.  Overlord is mediocre at best.  Lair of the Shadow Broker was pimp though.  Best DLC I've ever paid for.

It's part of why I wonder if it's best just to not take DLC too seriously, at least for what we usually get and its price. It seems like it takes something big and expensive to get anything that feels really satisfying, and the only time I saw that attempted was with GTA3's stuff. Admittedly ME2's a bit unique in that all of this DLC had an actual effect on 3, even if it was just cameos popping up. I'll look up to see how things diverge without DLC present after I beat it.

EDIT: Actually, the price points for DLC don't help. I think some of this would be great at $5, but it seems like Microsoft decided at some point $7 was the bare minimum this kind of stuff could be charged for, and companies aren't going to charge for less on PC/PS3 if they can help it. Feels somewhat warped when something that's equivalent to a 25th or 50th of a full game costs a whole sixth or, uhh, 7/60ths.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 08, 2012, 11:58:27 AM
So I'm in union square in nyc right now for a meeting, ran over to a lamestop just to satisfy my curiosity and asked if they had the ce of mass effect 3. Assholes have a ps3 version sitting right there. Meanwhile, every failstop I called had none and wouldn't rake any more preorders.

Fuck shitatop.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: John on March 08, 2012, 12:08:54 PM
So i've gone back about 7 pages in the discussion, and I'm wondering why no one is talking about the broken character import in Mass Effect 3? A game that's central theme is the continuation of a character throughout the series doesn't recognize a character used throughout the series? I was seriously pissed off when my custom shep's face couldn't be imported. How did that get past testing? They're working on a patch im sure, but this is just unacceptable. Not to mention the launch DLC and the online pass (lame). Why should I have to pay an extra $10 for DLC that obviously could have easily been implemented into the game from the start. Mass Effect 2 had far too much (unworthy) DLC and it seems like 3 will be no different, but I could deal with that, I love Mass Effect. It just pisses me off that I just spent $65 dollars on a broken and IMO an incomplete game. It feels like Bioware (EA) made more of an effort to bring in new players (money) into ME3 than satisfy the ones playing from the start.

It happened to me in my review playthrough, but it didn't seem like a big issue.  I just went back into ME2 and grabbed the code for my Shepard's face.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 08, 2012, 03:05:12 PM
The From Ashes DLC is .. not worth ten bucks. I'm glad it came as a part of the CE.

Also
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killing Udina is the best Renegade interrupt I could have asked for.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 08, 2012, 09:36:46 PM
From Ashes is worth it just to bring along SEKRIT CHARACTER to hear their commentary on a lot of things. Also, damn, you should've noted the spoiler was unrelated to From Ashes there.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: D-Rider on March 09, 2012, 01:01:35 AM
Yeah, this game just got...dark.  Renegade Shep finally went over the line from Dirty Harry to full-blown psychosis. :P  Starting to think at least one of the suicide squad survivors would have been better off biting the dust in ME2.

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Poor Samara.  Shoots herself in the head to keep from killing her daughter, then that renegade interrupt has you plant a bullet in her anyway.  I felt bad about that one.
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Post by: Ashton on March 09, 2012, 03:15:33 AM
I think the psychosis was confirmed after

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my renegade action at the end of Tuchunka.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Hathen on March 09, 2012, 10:02:21 AM
Does Tali show her face?

Looks like you missed the huge shitstorm about this last night.
With as few spoilers as possible:
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Yes, she shows her face in a picture, though not directly in-model.  However, one 4channer discovered that the picture
they used was actually a very slightly photoshopped version of a stock photo of a human woman.  And I mean -very- slightly
modified, simply editing out two fingers, adding lens flare, and changing the color.

Really? Wow... that is seriously all kinds of lame.

EDIT: from about 8 months ago
http://kotaku.com/5817782/mass-effect-3s-makers-arent-ready-for-talis-closeup

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we've had a lot of debate over Tali's face, but that's the one we kind of dread a lot. We're always "well, let's talk about something else for a while!" That's something we're going to have to decide.

I guess they only got around to it 5 minutes before release.

Said picture's been circulating around questionable sources (mostly 4chan's /v/ board, which has a huge vendetta against Bioware ever since DA2, not that I'm blaming them). I'd wait before confirming the veracity of something like that.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 09, 2012, 11:24:12 AM
Wait, renegade Shep finally goes crazy? Sweet. I finally got around to the Quarians... I've been taking forever with this game. People keep taking about it in terms of Act I and Act II but I have no idea where I'm at.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Cyril on March 09, 2012, 12:21:24 PM
Said picture's been circulating around questionable sources (mostly 4chan's /v/ board, which has a huge vendetta against Bioware ever since DA2, not that I'm blaming them). I'd wait before confirming the veracity of something like that.

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Have you actually seen it? Movies have been posted on Youtube by multiple sources, it's not just a rumor.
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/photo/hammasa-royalty-free-image/123488108
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYOeaV0Daic

You can see how lazily photoshopped it is when you pause it; one of her fingers is just literally painted over.
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Post by: John on March 09, 2012, 12:28:03 PM
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I really, really like the idea of the way that it's done. Show the character in artwork and keep some of the mystique.  The execution was just shoddy, though.  Honestly, why not just use original artwork?
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Post by: Cyril on March 09, 2012, 12:31:54 PM
Agreed.

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I'm impressed that they found a way to do it elegantly, not just "here Shepard, look at my face,"
But there were plenty of great Tali designs in the artbook.  Ones that were still human "enough," but also exotic
to make her look more alien than a simple photoshop.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 09, 2012, 12:57:16 PM
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I saw the ending. What the fuck? It manages to both leave things open to interpretation while leaving nothing open. The final epilogue was even worse. Cryptic endings can be good if done well, but the execution for this was ut blah...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 09, 2012, 10:24:00 PM
So I reunited with one of the ME2 suicide team members in the Citadel hospital in the second half...
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... and Jacob wants to name his kid after Shepard, as "Shepard". But if you follow this more logically, he'd use my Shepard's first name, which is... Jacob. If he followed that for a son it seems kind of like, I dunno, he has self esteem issues if he's going to name his son Jacob NOT after himself but after a guy he worked with for a few weeks or months, however long ME2 took.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 10, 2012, 02:33:24 PM
Maybe Shep was just that inspiring. :P

I ran into someone else at the hospital.
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Thane died after the Cerberus attack. Which was totally expected, even before he got stabbed in the fight. Okay fine. Problem being his death being treated really minorly, even if you got in a relationship with him in ME2. Sure, you and his son gave him a sort of proper goodbye, but that's it. No one talks about it or him ever again. Even Jacob was more acknowledged (by Garrus and such).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 10, 2012, 02:40:05 PM
Got to play for about an hour or so yesterday... AMAZING soundtrack.

I can tell this game is going to be very satisfying.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: D-Rider on March 11, 2012, 01:31:37 AM
Stayed up late to play through to the end, saw the end, wish I had just gone to bed.  What a clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 11, 2012, 01:56:12 AM
Fuck Kai Leng.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 11, 2012, 04:49:17 AM
Stayed up late to play through to the end, saw the end, wish I had just gone to bed.  What a clusterfuck.
Yeah, I was a wee bit underwhelmed by the ending myself, though getting to it was quite awesome. Aside from terrible graphical bugs, the bullshit with tali's face, and irritating disc switching during the early game, I was very pleased with the game. After I finished and continued, I was disgruntled to see that I completed all my side stories, so I restarted. 4 days well spent.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 11, 2012, 04:54:46 AM
Regarding the ending:

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Apparently the original ending was supposed to be different:

The Reapers' goal was to find a way to stop the spread of Dark Energy which would eventually consume everything. That's why there was so much foreshadowing about Dark Energy on Haestom in ME2.

The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of it's genetic diversity and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread.

The original final choice was going to be "Kill the Reapers and put your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the spread with what little time is left" or "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means."

Regardless, the current ending has a lot of philosophical implications, but aren't explored thoroughly enough to be viable.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 11, 2012, 05:55:34 AM
Beat it. Thought the ending was dumb and made even MGS4's look good in comparison, and there were multiple ways (like above) that would've made it better. In fact, for those curious here's the link for it. (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3449196&pagenumber=142&perpage=40#post400947624)

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not showing the future consequences of your choices. This is something Alpha Protocol got right, and even if they
had to go with a REALLY stupid "push a button to win instantly" ending to do it, it feels like it goes against what this series
IS to not do something on that front. Or leave it possible to be done at all for that matter.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 11, 2012, 12:10:08 PM
Thought the ending was dumb and made even MGS4's look good in comparison

MGS4 has more problems that just the ending though. It has so much fanservice for instance that it got in the way to tell a decent story, but in reality after Metal Gear Solid on the PSone there wasn't any story left to tell... MGS2 more than a sequel it was a game about media manipulation among other topics and MGS3 was kinda like a celebration of the early days of the franchise.

MGS4 is just a thing that should have never happened really, because is a product that was created in the end for the fans and fans hated the shit of it (and they still do).

Sorry for going off-topic by way.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on March 11, 2012, 12:42:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8

Bioware has just lost a game company's most prized asset... a trusting relationship with their customers.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 11, 2012, 03:45:35 PM
I approach that news with cautiousness, it might very well be a hoax perpetuated by some disgruntled gamer to discredit BioWare. The possibility of it being true exists, though. I just want to see it with my own two eyes or confirm it myself before passing judgement.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on March 11, 2012, 03:56:44 PM
Anyone who has finished the game should read the leaked script. That character was there all along, with full dialogues. That's why so many people were pissed off with Bioware's shenanigans.

Edit:

I'm not sure if it just allows to select the character for battle of if it also unlocks the dialogues. I'm certain the quest is in the DLC, though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on March 11, 2012, 04:03:02 PM
The unfortunate part is that it is true.  The directions on how to do it yourself is right there in the video info.

I don't care enough that I'm going to outright stop playing their games, but it is really disappointing that they would lie about something really stupid.  People have become irrationally hateful of the company, but this is an example where Bioware is not helping their case at all, and that people are totally justified in being upset, especially since Bioware outright lied about it.  The character's voice data is even in the demo version of the game.

They would have been better off just being bluntly honest and saying they wanted more money, and so they cut out a character on purpose to make an extra $10 per willing customer.  They'd have angry customers, but at least their integrity would be intact.  Now they have angry customers, and a lack of trust.

EA is intent on making Bioware a huge brand, and this is a quick way to do the opposite.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 11, 2012, 04:08:08 PM
Hrm, I just downloaded coaslesce and tried it myself, it seems to be accurate.

Unfortunately, this only foments their money-grubbing picture to the gaming community, regardless of its veracity. Kind of annoying how they give BioWare haters something to latch onto like this.

To be perfectly honest, though, they did the same thing with ME2 and Kasumi. It's just that people jumped onto the BioWare hatewagon after DA2, which I find to be fucking ricockulous.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on March 11, 2012, 05:45:10 PM
To be perfectly honest, though, they did the same thing with ME2 and Kasumi. It's just that people jumped onto the BioWare hatewagon after DA2, which I find to be fucking ricockulous.

Ah, but the difference here is that they blatantly lied to their customers.  Before, they were honest money grubbers.  Now, they have become lying money grubbers.

There's a lot of irrational hatred of Bioware, but this is straight up a legitimate complaint.  Bioware was courteous enough to at least make Zaeed free day one DLC for gamers who bought the game new rather than used.  Charging for the day one DLC on this game honestly and truthfully is fucked up and has done nothing but garner ill press for themselves.  Was the $10 day one DLC worth the extra negative attention and potential harm to the brand?  Their future sales figures will be the judge.

Enjoying my game, nonetheless.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Cyril on March 11, 2012, 05:50:57 PM
Ah, but the difference here is that they blatantly lied to their customers.  Before, they were honest money grubbers.  Now, they have become lying money grubbers.

There's a lot of irrational hatred of Bioware, but this is straight up a legitimate complaint.  Bioware was courteous enough to at least make Zaeed free day one DLC for gamers who bought the game new rather than used.  Charging for the day one DLC on this game honestly and truthfully is fucked up and has done nothing but garner ill press for themselves.  Was the $10 day one DLC worth the extra negative attention and potential harm to the brand?  Their future sales figures will be the judge.

Agreed, criticizing their practices doesn't make you a Bioware hater, it makes you a legitimately and rightfully disgruntled consumer.  It, along with how they've chosen to deal with PR more recently, has soured my opinion of them considerably.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 11, 2012, 06:07:31 PM
I agree to an extent, but the way this was overblown (as it is with all gamer entitlement issues) fuels my distaste for gamers in general.

along with how they've chosen to deal with PR more recently
To what are you referring?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 11, 2012, 06:14:05 PM
I started a new game+ last night going full on renegade. So far, the choices haven't been very....impactful. However, I've just started paleven's (turian planet) moon, so maybe I get some real choices to play with. Therr's always tuchanka to really show how a badass answer could wreck a good thing heh heh.

As far as the prothean scandal goes, sounds like a new war may be starting. I don't approve of this action at all, especially since I'm outright condemning capcom for similar shit, but the lying about it is what sucks. Parn said it well, being money hungry corporate scum is sucky, but acceptable (more or less), but lying about it trying to stay on our good side...fuck you. You're a game development COMPANY, not a charity. It's acceptable to want money for services provided. We as people can appreciate that fact, as we all work to make money. I don't lie to people and tell them I won't charge them for hanging their t.v. then charge them double to hook it up to their home theater system. It's bad business. I hope bioware and EA see this and at least apologize about it, perhaps even make up for it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Cyril on March 11, 2012, 06:21:57 PM
I agree to an extent, but the way this was overblown (as it is with all gamer entitlement issues) fuels my distaste for gamers in general.

along with how they've chosen to deal with PR more recently
To what are you referring?

It has nothing to do with gamer entitlement issues - they cut content from the game, lied about it, and then put a price tag on it.  How is that being "entitled?"  That's EA or Bioware, whoever made the decision, being money hungry at the expense of their customers.  People complained about Kasumi too, it's simply been amplified more recently.

The newest of the PR disasters was about fan feedback.  You'd think that Bioware would encourage fan feedback, instead, the woman (who also isn't a producer) said flat out they don't want it, because fans are not producers.  Therefore, they have no say in how the game should be made.  This makes no sense; are fans not the ones who buy the games?  If, say, the majority of fans dislike a certain decision (Mako being an example), wouldn't it be beneficial to make changes to it?  Feedback should be accepted, both positive and negative.  Even constructive, negative feedback is being shut down.
Why disregard player opinion entirely?  Or, if you do - for the love of God, don't say it to their faces.

While it's true that the words of one woman do not represent the thoughts of the company, they need to reign in comments like this.  It alienates their base.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 11, 2012, 06:42:03 PM
It has nothing to do with gamer entitlement issues - they cut content from the game, lied about it, and then put a price tag on it.  How is that being "entitled?"  That's EA or Bioware, whoever made the decision, being money hungry at the expense of their customers.  People complained about Kasumi too, it's simply been amplified more recently.

Most of the people raging now are people who thought DA2 was a pile of shit. I agree that BioWare deserves some heat for this, but most of the hate they got was largely from gamers who think everything should be free, not from people like you or me who have more moderate stances on such content.

The newest of the PR disasters was about fan feedback.  You'd think that Bioware would encourage fan feedback, instead, the woman (who also isn't a producer) said flat out they don't want it, because fans are not producers.  Therefore, they have no say in how the game should be made.  This makes no sense; are fans not the ones who buy the games?  If, say, the majority of fans dislike a certain decision (Mako being an example), wouldn't it be beneficial to make changes to it?  Feedback should be accepted, both positive and negative.  Even constructive, negative feedback is being shut down.
Why disregard player opinion entirely?  Or, if you do - for the love of God, don't say it to their faces.

While it's true that the words of one woman do not represent the thoughts of the company, they need to reign in comments like this.  It alienates their base.
http://kotaku.com/5892199/stop-thinking-youre-a-producer-former-mass-effect-designer-tells-gamers

Former. FORMER BioWare designer. She doesn't currently work for BioWare and even then saying BioWare should 'reign in' their employees is a ridiculous request and borders on the same self-centered assumptions the fanbase made during the Hepler incident.

Even disregarding that most gamers are retarded and just want a game that panders to their own tastes rather than a game that plays well. If history has shown is anything it's that by and large the internet is a bunch of idiots who have no place saying how a game should be designed or balanced.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 11, 2012, 06:49:42 PM
As far as the prothean scandal goes, sounds like a new war may be starting. I don't approve of this action at all, especially since I'm outright condemning capcom for similar shit, but the lying about it is what sucks. Parn said it well, being money hungry corporate scum is sucky, but acceptable (more or less), but lying about it trying to stay on our good side...fuck you. You're a game development COMPANY, not a charity. It's acceptable to want money for services provided. We as people can appreciate that fact, as we all work to make money. I don't lie to people and tell them I won't charge them for hanging their t.v. then charge them double to hook it up to their home theater system. It's bad business. I hope bioware and EA see this and at least apologize about it, perhaps even make up for it.

I actually wonder if it was intended to be the packed in DLC, but then they developed the co-op mode and that was all they could bundle with the game itself unless it were an LE. Fucking online passes, even if this guess isn't true there's still the fact their implementation has been kind of shoddy overall. Although, there is the angle that what they still needed to develop was the mission to recruit him, and that COULD have been made afterwards... but it's such a crappy mission that its a moot point anyway, nothing on the Zaeed or Kasumi missions.

Anyways, this fiasco combined with how the game ended has put me off to Bioware games being a blind day one purchase. Goint to definitely be waiting and seeing how games are received first, maybe with price cuts beforehand.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 11, 2012, 07:42:38 PM
Anybody besides me find Yeoman Chambers? Bunch of my buddies seemed to miss her completely, which is odd.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 11, 2012, 07:50:25 PM
I found her, but
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Cyril on March 11, 2012, 07:52:25 PM
http://kotaku.com/5892199/stop-thinking-youre-a-producer-former-mass-effect-designer-tells-gamers

Former. FORMER BioWare designer. She doesn't currently work for BioWare and even then saying BioWare should 'reign in' their employees is a ridiculous request and borders on the same self-centered assumptions the fanbase made during the Hepler incident.

Even disregarding that most gamers are retarded and just want a game that panders to their own tastes rather than a game that plays well. If history has shown is anything it's that by and large the internet is a bunch of idiots who have no place saying how a game should be designed or balanced.

The Hepler bit was out of control and, I'll agree, was mostly entirely unwarranted.  People take quotes from out out of context and, certainly, her writing doesn't seem any better or worse than the other writers in DA; I've not played TOR so I can't comment on that.  I feel the main difference here is that she wasn't insulting fans or saying their opinions aren't taken into consideration.

Whether or not the woman is a current Bioware employee isn't really the point; it's more what her words represent that have caused such dissatisfaction.

And in contrast to your last point, I offer you Bethesda.  Bethesda fans can make some absolutely brilliant mods out that that improve the game in almost every way.  Oblivion is a given, but Morrowind even has that entire Tamriel Rebuilt, which adds (and is still adding) more landmass than was on Vvardenfell in the first place.  Certainly, there are many people who make demands not knowing what they're talking about, but there are also those who can, and do make changes for the better.  I'm extremely excited to see what Skyrim modders add within the next few years.

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I finished the Tuchanka and second Citadel Missions.  I was looking through the artbook (Art of the Mass Effect Universe)
again now that I've experienced ME3, and I was reading about their redesign of the planet.  For me, Bioware got their
point through, I quote:
"We wanted to evoke a feeling that the Krogan were worth saving, and that they once created things of beauty."
That ruined city section really did its job.  That and Eve being a great character have really made me more empathetic to the
Krogan, who I have to admit I previously disliked.

The designs of Sur'Kesh were very pretty, too bad you're basically in hallways the entire time.

And yes, Thane was pretty much dismissed. I feel like it was a waste. He did save the Salarian councilor though, so it
wasn't like he was worthless.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 11, 2012, 07:59:33 PM
Whether or not the woman is a current Bioware employee isn't really the point; it's more what her words represent that have caused such dissatisfaction.

This is ridiculous. If I quit writing for RPGFan then go on record talking shit about gamers, should that negatively impact the site (or any site) I used to work at? No. That's fucking ridiculous.

And in contrast to your last point, I offer you Bethesda.  Bethesda fans can make some absolutely brilliant mods out that that improve the game in almost every way.  Oblivion is a given, but Morrowind even has that entire Tamriel Rebuilt, which adds (and is still adding) more landmass than was on Vvardenfell in the first place.  Certainly, there are many people who make demands not knowing what they're talking about, but there are also those who can, and do make changes for the better.  I'm extremely excited to see what Skyrim modders add within the next few years.
I agree that some gamers can definitely show that they know what they're talking about, but let's be realistic here: they are in the minority. These people whining about BioWare are nowhere near as smart or devoted as the mod-creators, they just want free stuff and a game that pleases them in every way. I can certainly appreciate the value of the modding scene but I don't think any of the people complaining know anything about game design as intimately as mod-creators do, and would rather spout off half-assed misinformation to try and make themselves seem justified in doing idiotic things.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Lard on March 12, 2012, 02:03:09 AM
I actually wonder if it was intended to be the packed in DLC, but then they developed the co-op mode and that was all they could bundle with the game itself unless it were an LE. Fucking online passes, even if this guess isn't true there's still the fact their implementation has been kind of shoddy overall.

http://i.imgur.com/rvWhi.png
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 12, 2012, 06:20:54 AM
I actually wonder if it was intended to be the packed in DLC, but then they developed the co-op mode and that was all they could bundle with the game itself unless it were an LE. Fucking online passes, even if this guess isn't true there's still the fact their implementation has been kind of shoddy overall.

http://i.imgur.com/rvWhi.png
My god what a perfect analogy to the dlc debate.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Fyle on March 12, 2012, 07:03:01 AM
I gave the Mass Effect Series a good shot, I'm 12 hours into ME2 but, I don't have much desire to keep playing even. I bought it to catch up for ME3 because I never played an ME game but, the things I didn't like were exactly how I thought they would be and ended up not really liking them.

The whole game feels like I'm playing thru a choose your own adventure book and then you do a shooter level. I understand things can turn out different and all but, it's just a mix of predetermined cut scenes. I like the unique adventures to come from the AI and actual interaction with the game world itself. Characters stand in the same spot and that just erks me, it's very unnatural and very pre-set feeling.

Not to say the ME series aren't good games per se, but based on ME2, they lack the actual RPG elements I enjoy most. Various loot, a complex leveling system, exploration ( while ME has exploration, the actual areas are fairly linear ) and a few other minor gripes for example there aren't that many NPCs you can actually talk to.

If I don't have the desire to even finish ME2, I'm thinking I should skip ME3 and go straight for Dragon Age Origins? I want to give Bioware a fair shot but, so far I'd rather just play Amalur or even finish Demon Souls instead of ME2. That can't be a good sign. ( ̄^ ̄)ゞ
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 12, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
My god what a perfect analogy to the dlc debate.
It's about as perfect as Republican rhetoric, honestly. I'm not a fan of simplifying issues. Don't encourage him.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 12, 2012, 01:26:27 PM
My god what a perfect analogy to the dlc debate.
It's about as perfect as Republican rhetoric, honestly. I'm not a fan of simplifying issues. Don't encourage him.
But dude, it's accurate. It fits all the complaints made here, content that's already there, but since you don't NEED it for the baseline story, it is being sold as extra. If that's not a remarkable comparison, I don't know what is. Maybe, and it's not to insult you or anyone else, it really is that plain and simple. People aren't exactly very deep as a species.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 12, 2012, 01:35:48 PM
I agree completely with Parn regarding the extra character. The character's data was on the disc, but apparently the mission and other assets were on the DLC. BioWare shouldn't have lied about this. My statements afterwards regarded the gaming populace at large.

I was just telling you not to encourage Lard, he's made one or two posts this entire topic only to further whine like he normally does about a game he's never going to play while implying insults towards other people.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Cyril on March 12, 2012, 01:41:29 PM
This is ridiculous. If I quit writing for RPGFan then go on record talking shit about gamers, should that negatively impact the site (or any site) I used to work at? No. That's fucking ridiculous.

Whether we like it or not, the reality is: past work experience does define you to some extent.  You see it in politics all the time. In this case, she was speaking out in defense for Bioware, so it makes some sense that hostility be directed towards the company for it.

Actually, though, the point of that was more showing the logic some people use, not that I necessarily follow that train of thought. I dislike the woman's comments because I thought she was rude and condescending. I dislike Bioware PR for some of the absolute dick things they do on BSN, which is, as I said, shutting down even objective negative criticism or discussions.  The mods over there throw around the terms "trolling" and "spam" far too often.

Either way, I somehow doubt we'll ever agree with each other on the matter, so I'll say we should agree to disagree.  I feel like we're simply shitting up the thread at this point.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 12, 2012, 01:45:18 PM
If I don't have the desire to even finish ME2, I'm thinking I should skip ME3 and go straight for Dragon Age Origins? I want to give Bioware a fair shot but, so far I'd rather just play Amalur or even finish Demon Souls instead of ME2. That can't be a good sign. ( ̄^ ̄)ゞ

I fully support the idea of going back to play a ton of Demon's Souls or even Amalur but I say go ahead and try DA: Origins for a while. Haven't played it, but it seems like the best RPG that Bioware has done this generation for the little complaining that I've saw in comparison to DAII or the ME series in the last 3 or so years.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Lard on March 12, 2012, 01:49:42 PM
My god what a perfect analogy to the dlc debate.
It's about as perfect as Republican rhetoric, honestly. I'm not a fan of simplifying issues. Don't encourage him.

I only posted it because I thought it was funny.
I'm not going to open the whole debate again.
You don't have to be a complete sourpuss 100% of the time you know.
And I will play ME3 at some point, when they release an eventual GOTY edition. So :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 12, 2012, 01:55:14 PM
My bad, then. It's a bit hard to tell sometimes. Apologies.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Lard on March 12, 2012, 02:06:06 PM
My bad, then. It's a bit hard to tell sometimes. Apologies.

No sweat. To be fair, I haven't gotten to ME2 yet either, but I at least own that one.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 12, 2012, 06:44:15 PM
This game is crazy addicting. It's great to see a series where each title is a genuine improvement over the previous installment. The facial animations are a bit stiff but what they do w/ the environments is incredible. I love the framing of the conversations too.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 12, 2012, 06:49:13 PM
Character interaction is the best it has been in the series.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: DPB on March 12, 2012, 08:03:19 PM
I haven't been playing very long, but so far the only thing I don't like is my imported character looks somewhat off, since they tweaked the character creator again. It imported okay (since I re-did the face when I imported from ME1 into ME2) but it doesn't look quite right, like the real Shepard has been secretly replaced with a lookalike.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 12, 2012, 08:07:18 PM
My bad, then. It's a bit hard to tell sometimes. Apologies.
This is the internet, no apologies, you can't be wrong and if you are, delete topic and ban user.

Also, Lard is funny, I approve of his shenanigans.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 12, 2012, 08:08:57 PM
I haven't been playing very long, but so far the only thing I don't like is my imported character looks somewhat off, since they tweaked the character creator again. It imported okay (since I re-did the face when I imported from ME1 into ME2) but it doesn't look quite right, like the real Shepard has been secretly replaced with a lookalike.
You can tweak imported faces. You probably can't get the exact face you had in ME2, but I changed mine a bit and she turned out better than her ME2 self. :P

Going to try to beat ME3 tonight. This whole game has been a fucking tearjerker. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 12, 2012, 08:15:39 PM
I haven't been playing very long, but so far the only thing I don't like is my imported character looks somewhat off, since they tweaked the character creator again. It imported okay (since I re-did the face when I imported from ME1 into ME2) but it doesn't look quite right, like the real Shepard has been secretly replaced with a lookalike.
You can tweak imported faces. You probably can't get the exact face you had in ME2, but I changed mine a bit and she turned out better than her ME2 self. :P

Going to try to beat ME3 tonight. This whole game has been a fucking tearjerker. :P
If you've been borderline til the return to the sol system, you'll definitely shed a few for what's coming up. I got cloudy eyed at the last few segments before the finale, and I didn't even cry at my mother's funeral.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 12, 2012, 08:41:22 PM
I loved the way my femshep looked in the creator screen. I imported one and then tweaked a bit. She sort of looks like a hot goth version of Joan Jett. But I noticed her mouth looks gimpy in the dialog sections with really stiff upper lip action and from angles her mouth is all:
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111225220356/batman/images/c/cb/Joker_(1989)_3.jpg)

I vowed to start over but I kept playing and now I'm used to it and don't want to lose 4 hours
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 12, 2012, 08:44:33 PM
A lot of moments made me tear up, both before and during Sol. Heavy spoilers up til almost-end:
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Before - Mordin, Legion and Thane's deaths. Not to mention leaving Vancouver as the boy dies, but I've cried at that like six times. Plus Thessia - sure it wasn't a character death but I feel like I let down the asari race. My Shepard argued with Joker after that. :(

At London - Saying goodbye to squadmates. The Garrus one is especially tough when you take the paragon interrupt, and I don't even have the guy romanced. I expect no less for the finale once I get past these banshees and whatever else.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 12, 2012, 08:48:18 PM
A lot of moments made me tear up, both before and during Sol. Heavy spoilers up til almost-end:
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Before - Mordin, Legion and Thane's deaths. Not to mention leaving Vancouver as the boy dies, but I've cried at that like six times. Plus Thessia - sure it wasn't a character death but I feel like I let down the asari race. My Shepard argued with Joker after that. :(

At London - Saying goodbye to squadmates. The Garrus one is especially tough when you take the paragon interrupt, and I don't even have the guy romanced. I expect no less for the finale once I get past these banshees and whatever else.
That made me choke up, it was powerful. I admit outright that Bioware nailed the emotion factor. I felt for a lot of the characters, especially tali and liara. Their story segments are compelling.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Morwan on March 12, 2012, 10:00:12 PM
Finished the game yesterday, here are my thoughts:

It started off pretty weak. It was like playing an incredibly ambitious fan-made DLC for Mass Effect 2, with amazing gameplay but no real narrative. It was only until halfway through did the game start coming together.

Ashley and James both struck me as very boring. Neither of them added any interesting commentary during missions, and given later developments, you'd think they'd know a little more about galactic civilizations. The DLC character provided much more interesting commentary and played a stronger role in the storyline, which I thought was a huge 'fuck-you' to the fanbase.

And the endings, god damn, the endings. If you thought DXHR's endings were bad, you're in for a sweet surprise.

Nerd rage inc:
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The catalyst turns out to be the Reaper Overmind, which takes the form of that obnoxious little kid from the dream sequences. You get to choose the color of the deus ex machina (red, green or blue), resulting in the destruction of the mass relays.  Let's ignore that this means the destruction of galactic civilization and leaves the entire fleet stuck in the Sol system with a ruined Earth. Depending on the color, the reapers fly away or die and your crewmates are mysteriously teleported onto the normandy, which then crashes onto a jungle planet.

Also his voice actor is fucking terrible. Dungeon Siege III did the mysterious child thing much better and less creepy. Or perhaps instead of it being the child, having it be the crew member who died on Virmire in ME1.

The major difference between the three endings is the color of the explosion, and who comes out on the shuttle at the end. There's no reflection on the events of the game, or discussion of what happens after your choice.Your choices and actions throughout the series/game aren't incorporated into the ending like in any good Bioware game. Instead, you get to choose from three different flavors of shit sandwich.

What SHOULD'VE happened was a conversational battle with paragon/renegade tests, much like the Illusive Man conversation before. Maybe you could persuade the catalyst life is different, or that the reapers are [b]just as bad[/b] as whatever synthetic war would've occurred.

Okay, now for the good:

Gameplay was incredibly fun. I played an infiltrator and AI hacking turned out to be incredibly useful due to the amount of turrets and mechs in the game.

EDI provided great commentary and insight throughout the game, and was surprisingly useful.

There were a few awesome moments:
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Thane coming out of nowhere to save the councilor, and then paying back Kai Leng with the renegade interrupt.

"Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong."

Finding out the true history behind the Geth/Quarian conflict. Legion going out like a rockstar, and forcing the Quarians to retreat.

The entire end sequence for Earth: fighting your way to the destroyer, holding down the tanks, and then facing down Harbinger.

I'd give it a 4/5 if you've played the previous games. If you haven't played any of the previous ones, I'd skip over it. You miss out on 75% of the awesome and get 100% of the confusion/disappointment.

Ok, here's a post that explains why all the endings are horrendously bad:
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Digiwizzard from SomethingAwful.com Posted:
Imagine if Humanity found a single large oceanic planet and then dedicated all of it's resources to orbiting that planet.

Every 5000 years humanity deploys a fleet of fishing boats to the oceans to kill all fish that had mass above a certain threshold, as these fish had a chance of evolving into land based animals, who would eventually become the dominant life form on the planet. They also use taxidermy to preserve the largest and most impressive species as elegant mounts for their fishing boats.

After many hundreds of thousands of years, fish eventually evolve in such a way that they develop wings and jump onto the deck of the largest fishing boat. They are then greeted by the President of All Humans, who explains that no matter what they do, the cycle will continue and the one day the fishes distant descendants would walk on land and turn into bipedal humanoids. But this way of regulating the cycle is now untenable, and they offer the fish 3 choices.

A) Destroy all the fishing boats.
B) Control all of humanity.
C) Turn all planetary life amphibious.

Also, all of these methods will destroy all of the artificial reefs and hatcheries on the planet, killing millions.

There is never explanation as to why humanity loves marine life so fucking badly.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: John on March 12, 2012, 10:10:29 PM
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So I want to hear from people regarding the Geth/Quarian thing.  My Legion died at the end of ME2, so I got a VI construct of legion inhabiting a body.  My choice for the Geth/Quarians was to essentially destroy one or the other.  Is it the same should Legion have lived?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 12, 2012, 10:15:00 PM
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If Legion lives, you can either destroy the geth or force the quarians and geth to cooperate. I went for that option - basically, quarians and geth co-exist and rebuild Rannoch together.

And then Legion dies after using 'I' for the first time - Tali comments that yes, they have a soul (or something like that).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Cyril on March 12, 2012, 10:17:15 PM
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I just did that part now.  You basically have to knock some sense into the Quarians with Paragon or Renegade choices.
 Legion dies to make the Geth "sentient," but they are at peace with the Quarians and the Quarians return to their homeworld.
Truly, it's the best possible ending unless you feel sentient Geth (like Legion) are dangerous.

Honestly, though, the Admirals really made themselves look like idiots.  I wouldn't trust them to lead.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 12, 2012, 11:25:14 PM
I... think I need time to process that ending because what.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Morwan on March 12, 2012, 11:54:32 PM
I... think I need time to process that ending because what.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 13, 2012, 02:12:58 AM
I love Jack in ME3.

So I'm playing female and told Liara to take a hike at the beginning. I fancy that exotic officer that tells me when I have email.

Everytime I talk to her I get the gasface. Sup w/ that? The first convo I had w/ her had the option to talk about all sorts of stuff. I asked her about a few things and yadda yadda I had to stop playing so I said goodbye. Now I can't go back to explore the threads left unchecked.

:(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 13, 2012, 02:41:05 AM
I love Jack in ME3.

'Bite me, Garrus. Better yet, bite Shepard. She probably likes it that way.'
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 13, 2012, 02:57:04 AM
Yeah, ending was major WTF.

I have no problems with it conceptually, but the execution is pretty terrible.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 13, 2012, 02:58:06 AM
The idea behind it made some sense, but the execution was a mess, and really quite incoherent.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 13, 2012, 03:04:05 AM
does anyone think that little credit symbol looks like admiral ackbar?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Morwan on March 13, 2012, 03:05:46 AM
It's completely lacking in denouement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_structure#D.C3.A9nouement.2C_resolution.2C_or_catastrophe). There's no better way to describe it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 13, 2012, 03:12:18 AM
THe entire problem is that there's no closure. THe endings would be okay if they had even just a DA-esque "oh yeah this is what happens to everyone else" text epilogue, but no.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have ending DLC. Hell, I'd welcome it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 13, 2012, 04:05:26 AM
They keep saying they have things planned for Mass Effect 3... in a way, the endings felt rushed because so little makes sense.

Here's hoping the framerate on 360 isn't as terrible as it is on PS3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Cyril on March 13, 2012, 04:17:12 AM
The PS3 version is supposedly running at a consistent. . .20FPS.  That's an insult to PS3 owners.
http://www.destructoid.com/mass-effect-3-pathetically-sickeningly-inferior-on-ps3-223444.phtml

The main problem with the 360 version is the load times that freeze you in place every so often and frequent disk changing during the first half of the game.  Make sure you install it for best results.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 13, 2012, 04:23:51 AM
Oh I don't doubt it. I just finished the game on PS3. Framerate aside, there's also lots of weird animation shit going on, clipping, oh yeah, and a couple of those freezing bugs too. One on the Citadel that supposedly got fixed in the last patch. And loading times. Always loading times.

But anyway. I always install shit because I've got a ridiculous 360 hard drive. I can take the disc swapping. I hope.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 13, 2012, 04:29:53 AM
Is the FPS really a huge issue, though? My brother watched me play the PC version at a consistent ~40 FPS then complains about his 30 FPS 360 version, but I see very little difference outside of my PC version being... you know... higher res.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 13, 2012, 04:39:24 AM
In some missions it's especially bad. It can get distracting and sometimes hard to fight. I don't know if the 360 version runs like the 360 demo did, but that was mostly okay.

Although this quote is wrong.
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No one who played ME2 on PS3 is shocked by this. The game is still an incomplete, broken mess.
ME2 PS3 had its technical problems, but not like ME3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Cyril on March 13, 2012, 04:53:42 AM
Is the FPS really a huge issue, though? My brother watched me play the PC version at a consistent ~40 FPS then complains about his 30 FPS 360 version, but I see very little difference outside of my PC version being... you know... higher res.

FPS is really something you train yourself on and are attuned to through experience.  Some people weren't noticing the huge drops in FPS in the PS3 version of Skyrim, yet I felt them consistently (my FPS eventually started dropping so low that I took one step every ~10 seconds, but that's another story. . .).  I find  playing PC games more often at higher FPS made drops more noticeable in general.  Before I got into PC gaming I barely felt the change.  Now it's obvious as day. For example, I didn't notice the non-major FPS drops in SotC my first time playing it.

Now?
Completely different story.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: (Tunnels) on March 13, 2012, 10:40:11 AM
I haven't played much, but I am really liking it so far. Just got Garrus. I miss the middle dialogue option though; it seems in most convos you can take either the kind option, or the blunt option. I kinda miss just having a neutral option when I don't wanna go one way or another.

All this talk about the ending though is a bit discouraging. D: I suppose I should just enjoy it now before I reach the end.

In terms of technical problems, I'm on the 360 and I haven't had any FPS issues yet. There's was one weird clipping issue near the beginning, but I haven't seen it since then. The biggest bug I encountered (outside of the face import issue) was that in some convos where Shep and the other person are stationary, but they move their heads to look at something (like Liara's drone), sometimes their heads get stuck in that position. This ends when you leave the convo, but it was kinda noticeable.

But anyway. I always install shit because I've got a ridiculous 360 hard drive. I can take the disc swapping. I hope.

Just keep the disc you're not using near you; if your case is anything like mine, the discs are a pain to get out of there, so I just set the disc aside near the 360. I've only done one side-quest so far, but I seriously had to switch to disc 2 for just that side-quest; when I did a main quest after it, I had to switch back.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: dyeager on March 13, 2012, 11:03:49 AM
Short op-ed on Forbes about ME3 and "gamer entitlement". Spoiler free: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/13/mass-effect-3-and-the-pernicious-myth-of-gamer-entitlement/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/13/mass-effect-3-and-the-pernicious-myth-of-gamer-entitlement/)

I haven't finished the game yet but I can't help but chuckle at the notion of alternate ending DLC. You sometimes get alternate endings on DVDs or Blu Rays I guess so why not - people may complain about it, but they're clearly willing to pay for it and in the end money talks.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 13, 2012, 11:14:39 AM
I haven't noticed any framerate issues on the 360 version.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: GrimReality on March 13, 2012, 11:30:41 AM
I'm just baffled at how quickly so many people played through this(and so many other games). Don't people work/go to school/have a life to live? I imagine once I get into it this game will probably take me at least a month to play through. I've seen hour estimates all over the map. Anyone want to share how many hours it took to play through? I recall the first one taking about 36, and the second being in the 50s somewhere. Where does ME3 fall?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 13, 2012, 11:36:10 AM
I know people have beaten it in as little as 25, it took me 40. I put most hours in on days off. 50 sounds like a lot to me, but I did miss some sidequests.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 13, 2012, 12:41:00 PM
Over 65 hours, having completed every available side mission I had. I admit, I left it on a few times while I attended to other tasks, but the 60 hour benchmark seems about right.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on March 13, 2012, 12:47:33 PM
It'll be sad funny if the following does happen:

Internet demands a new DLC ending/epilogue/whatever > Bioware actually releases one > Internet bitches about how it should have been in the game.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: (Tunnels) on March 13, 2012, 01:06:24 PM
I know people have beaten it in as little as 25, it took me 40. I put most hours in on days off. 50 sounds like a lot to me, but I did miss some sidequests.

Yeah, I think most people cleared the past weekend to play it. That's what I'm doing with this upcoming weekend, since its the start of my spring break, and I only work part-time.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 13, 2012, 01:08:46 PM
It'll be sad funny if the following does happen:

Internet demands a new DLC ending/epilogue/whatever > Bioware actually releases one > Internet bitches about how it should have been in the game.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

That does make me sad... especially since well up to the release of ME3 they've been saying this game will provide a conclusive end to Shepard's story but this won't be the last story in the ME-verse.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Hidoshi on March 13, 2012, 01:11:35 PM
Played about 25 hours so far, and while I'm not near done yet, my general feelings amount to this:

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1. Far too many fetch quests. While both M1 and 2 had their share of these, it feels like the ratio of fetch-to-main quests is much, much higher, and also harder to complete (or simply harder to find). I realize Bioware was going for a less direct approach to make the quests seem more like overheard needs (to what effect, I'm unsure), but having characters you could actually target to socialize with was far more useful.

2. The modelling, both for many main characters and for most supporting roles, sucks. ME1 and 2 made pretty much everyone look unique if they weren't NPCs. But with ME3 you have characters like Traynor who seems so... generic, and then far too many NPCs like Brynn who look really close to FemShep combinations. Especially bad have been characters returning like Kelly and Jacob, who looks absolutely awful next to their ME2 counterparts. Jacob actually looks old and feeble, while Kelly looks like she got punched in the face.

3. Technical problems galore. I've had Shep's arms glitch out while she's using her headset to communicate in some scenes, and Mordin's "tower scene" had his head glitch out. Really ruined the effect in both cases. During Jacob's sidequest, Tali's model didn't load, etc etc etc.

4. Related to point 1, the non-targeted interactions really ruin some moments. I feel like Bioware was being especially lazy here, because a lot of small quests in 1 and 2 offered some emotional drama even from really minor characters. Now? It's all just dialogue and flapping mouths. So when you relay news that so-and-so's partner died on some planet somewhere, sure you hear a choked up voice, but you don't *see* anything. It really kills the mood. By far the worst offender is finding Liara's father and getting them to talk.

5. It IS still a good game. But it's the weakest in the trilogy. I'm enjoying the main plot, but there aren't any storytelling improvements over ME2. It feels like they downgraded from ME2 in many ways. ME1 had better storytelling and characterization, while ME2 had better modelling and gameplay. While ME3 has some great moments (meeting Jack again, the Krogan genophage sidestory conclusion, Thane's conclusion), it's also lacking in so many other ways.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: GrimReality on March 13, 2012, 03:24:16 PM
I know people have beaten it in as little as 25, it took me 40. I put most hours in on days off. 50 sounds like a lot to me, but I did miss some sidequests.

Yeah, I think most people cleared the past weekend to play it. That's what I'm doing with this upcoming weekend, since its the start of my spring break, and I only work part-time.
Man, I wish I was able to "clear a weekend" just to play a game. You mean people actually do this? Even if I had the time, I still couldn't play for more than AT MOST 3 hours or so. I would just feel so guilty about it. I suppose that's what comes with a house, a wife, a kid, etc. etc. Guilt about not doing something "productive". Plus, there's no way I can hide indoors with this nice weather.
Forgive me the usual rant about crazy gamers and play times. I know it doesn't come just from a place of confusion, but also a smidge of jealousy. Just a smidge, though.
I'll be quiet about this now. Hopefully, I'll be hopping on the ME3 train this weekend. Stupid Zelda won't end.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 13, 2012, 03:26:10 PM
Grim, that's why I don't plan on settling down for another 10 or so years, I still got lots of stuff to do for myself.

Though, I'm sure there are many who are jealous that you have such an excellent home life. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: dyeager on March 13, 2012, 03:41:03 PM
I know people have beaten it in as little as 25, it took me 40. I put most hours in on days off. 50 sounds like a lot to me, but I did miss some sidequests.

Yeah, I think most people cleared the past weekend to play it. That's what I'm doing with this upcoming weekend, since its the start of my spring break, and I only work part-time.
Man, I wish I was able to "clear a weekend" just to play a game. You mean people actually do this? Even if I had the time, I still couldn't play for more than AT MOST 3 hours or so. I would just feel so guilty about it. I suppose that's what comes with a house, a wife, a kid, etc. etc. Guilt about not doing something "productive". Plus, there's no way I can hide indoors with this nice weather.
Forgive me the usual rant about crazy gamers and play times. I know it doesn't come just from a place of confusion, but also a smidge of jealousy. Just a smidge, though.
I'll be quiet about this now. Hopefully, I'll be hopping on the ME3 train this weekend. Stupid Zelda won't end.

I've got a house, wife, your standard 40 hour a week job, etc. I imagine the kid makes a huge difference though. My wife and I don't have kids and don't plan to.

Actually last weekend was the first one in about a month and a half where we had no weekend plans, so I was able to wrap up a first playthrough of Amalur and get started on Mass Effect 3. I probably won't be able to even touch it again now though until next week - dodgeball playoffs start tonight, going to a wedding in Miami this weekend, etc. Next weekend we'll be in NYC for a weekend trip to the opera and also hopefully visiting my sister. But I still hope to find time to play some games in there after work and, dare I say, get some work in for the website, AND take care of other obligations - but it can admittedly be tough to fit all that stuff in.

But it seems very disingenuous to me to make this argument. Those things - the house, the kid, the wife, the "etc" - those are all choices that were consciously made. Some folks consciously choose to clear time for games and have made sure they have the freedom and ability to do that. You and I might have a little less free time than some on the boards and we made choices that put us in that position.

It's rare that my wife and I have a whole weekend where we don't have any obligations and I'm sure you sympathize with that, but when we do I sometimes like to spend mine playing a video game. Spending the occasional Saturday or Sunday enjoying a nice long video game session in between obligations is a good way to unwind.

And if you were going to clear a video game weekend before the nice weather began in earnest, this last weekend was definitely the one to do it. Things are really getting nice now and baseball season is right around the corner! :-)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: dyeager on March 13, 2012, 03:46:11 PM
Grim, that's why I don't plan on settling down for another 10 or so years, I still got lots of stuff to do for myself.

Though, I'm sure there are many who are jealous that you have such an excellent home life. :P

I would suggest that you should NEVER stop having things you need to and want to do for yourself, ESPECIALLY when/if you are in a relationship. :-)

EDIT: Waiting for forum mod to bop me good for getting off track here... I was just excited to see actual words instead of big black boxes full of spoiler stuff. ;-)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 13, 2012, 03:48:50 PM

I'll be quiet about this now.

I hope so. This isn't the first time you've lorded over people here proclaiming how nice it must be to have such free time, yourself being such a responsible and caring adult.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: dyeager on March 13, 2012, 03:50:45 PM

I'll be quiet about this now.

I hope so. This isn't the first time you've lorded over people here proclaiming how nice it must be to have such free time, yourself being such a responsible and caring adult.

I didn't mean it that way - I was simply suggesting that having free time AND being a responsible adult don't have to be mutually exclusive things.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: GrimReality on March 13, 2012, 04:05:56 PM

I'll be quiet about this now.

I hope so. This isn't the first time you've lorded over people here proclaiming how nice it must be to have such free time, yourself being such a responsible and caring adult.
I'm not "lording over" anybody. I am honestly baffled by the practice of playing a 40+ hour game to completion so quickly. I freely admit that it also comes from a place of jealousy. You're right, though. I suppose the underlying feeling is that I am better than you because I am being productive while you lazy losers are playing games for 12 hours on end. Is that what you want me to say? You got me!
Dyeager:
Truth be told, most of my weekends are free. We are quite the introverted family. We don't really do much of anything. My wife works crazy hours and is an exercise nut who runs a lot, so I am "stuck" being the one to take care of our son most of the time. I love him to death, but it can get overwhelming. Any free time I DO get I tend to spend outdoors in my garden. After 2 hours out there I feel good and productive. My games sadly don't have the same effect.

I'm really sorry for causing this tangent! I knew better, but did it anyway. I get myself in trouble a lot that way.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: dyeager on March 13, 2012, 04:12:10 PM

I'll be quiet about this now.

I hope so. This isn't the first time you've lorded over people here proclaiming how nice it must be to have such free time, yourself being such a responsible and caring adult.
I'm not "lording over" anybody. I am honestly baffled by the practice of playing a 40+ hour game to completion so quickly. I freely admit that it also comes from a place of jealousy. You're right, though. I suppose the underlying feeling is that I am better than you because I am being productive while you lazy losers are playing games for 12 hours on end. Is that what you want me to say? You got me!
Dyeager:
Truth be told, most of my weekends are free. We are quite the introverted family. We don't really do much of anything. My wife works crazy hours and is an exercise nut who runs a lot, so I am "stuck" being the one to take care of our son most of the time. I love him to death, but it can get overwhelming. Any free time I DO get I tend to spend outdoors in my garden. After 2 hours out there I feel good and productive. My games sadly don't have the same effect.

I'm really sorry for causing this tangent! I knew better, but did it anyway. I get myself in trouble a lot that way.



No worries from my end Grim - I certainly didn't help the tangent by adding my own two cents!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 13, 2012, 05:01:56 PM
Fuck all of this family life interfering with me time, I'd give my left thumb for a comfortable home, wife , and 2 kids instead of the shitfest of a life I fell into. Semi crippled father, 2 useless sisters who left home to beg for money from bank of daddy, and me stuck having to care for the old man and work for him (semi crippled, he thinks just fine still, I do the physical work). Thr only upsside to my life is I can play video games.

That being said, games like mass effect make life enjoyable for me, even the drama side.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on March 13, 2012, 08:22:07 PM
I love the game. Finished it yesterday. Everything about it, except

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everything about the last 5 minutes. dat plot-holes.
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Post by: Cyril on March 13, 2012, 08:32:07 PM
So yeah, the ending.

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It would have been much, much better had they cut it off shortly after Anderson died and showed Shepard
looking down over Earth with him. That had the perfect mood set, a nice mixture of bittersweet with some hope.
It felt "finale-like." Maybe they could have shown the Crucible at work if they really wanted to push it.

But as is? I think "lack of denouement" is the perfect description of what happened.   I could probably rant on it
for a while, but I'll stick with that.  On an amusing note, that "child" in the post-credits scene was a shrunken adult. I was laughing hard.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/resizedadult.jpg/

Also, methinks Liara's pregnant.  That "special gift" mind meld she gives you in London - whether or not you romanced her,
male or female - definitely makes me think she's going to have Shepard's babies.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: D-Rider on March 13, 2012, 09:02:37 PM
After talking about it with Liz today, I've decided that the only way I can enjoy that ending is

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I'm not saying that's what happened or anything, but a boy can dream. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 13, 2012, 10:12:09 PM
I basically consider everything that happens once you reach the sol system the ending. If you think like that, it's actually a fairly good ending. Course...i'm grasping for straws here, but yeah, that last segment was awesome. Fuck you haters (the actual ending sucked I know).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 13, 2012, 10:23:14 PM
The final reveal was fine, the execution was just a bit iffy.
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Post by: Taelus on March 13, 2012, 10:51:47 PM
Exactly what Ashton said.
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 14, 2012, 12:32:11 PM
Cyril:
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I would really hate it if Liara had Shepard's kids regardless given that my Sheps romanced Garrus and Thane. I mean, Liara got really pushed on us as it were.
Oh right, I originally came to this thread to say I now have the 360 version, in case anyone want to do multiplayer.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 14, 2012, 02:20:26 PM
Cyril:
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I would really hate it if Liara had Shepard's kids regardless given that my Sheps romanced Garrus and Thane. I mean, Liara got really pushed on us as it were.
Oh right, I originally came to this thread to say I now have the 360 version, in case anyone want to do multiplayer.
DESPERATELY, the group I had been playing with kind of pissed me off something fierce (well, one person in said group), so yes, I would love to roll in some multiplayer with you ladies and gentlemen.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 14, 2012, 03:58:47 PM
Oh yeah, that's why I hate playing randoms precisely.

GT: Maas Effect. I'll likely be a really low-levelled Vanguard by the time you guys meet up with me (haven't started MP on the 360 yet). I'll try not to be one of those retarded Vanguards you always hear about. :-)
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Post by: Cyril on March 14, 2012, 04:02:17 PM
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I would really hate it if Liara had Shepard's kids regardless given that my Sheps romanced Garrus and Thane. I mean, Liara got really pushed on us as it were.

Yeah, I romanced Garrus as well, I don't want it.

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But you have to admit, "special gift" and "different type of mind meld" really make it seem like that's what she was hinting at.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 14, 2012, 04:09:31 PM
Who's up for multi on the 360 this weekend?
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Post by: kyuusei on March 14, 2012, 05:35:18 PM
Sure, why not? Might as well.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 14, 2012, 05:38:26 PM
Who's up for multi on the 360 this weekend?
Agent Dv1 is up for some mp, you all should add him by friday.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 14, 2012, 05:54:41 PM
http://live.xbox.com/en-US/Profile?gamertag=AgentDv1

That's you, right?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 14, 2012, 06:10:37 PM
You know my top hat is dead sexy.

I always mix up my gamertag and psn with my old pso section id name, always throws me off. AgentDv1, no spaces. My bad everyone.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on March 14, 2012, 09:22:25 PM
Absolutely brilliant article that everyone should read.  If you have not beaten Mass Effect 3 and do not want spoilers, do not click the link.

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 14, 2012, 10:13:46 PM
Who's up for multi on the 360 this weekend?

Friday and Sunday I'll be on at various points.

Syz 9000

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: mjrpgfan on March 15, 2012, 12:31:27 AM
I've finished my review of ME3 (http://www.tbstactics.com/2012/03/mass-effect-3-pc-review.html). Note: spoilers in review. I thought it improved on ME2 in a number of ways, such as the combat and main story, but retained several problems as well as introducing new ones.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 15, 2012, 12:34:36 AM
I'm slowly trucking away. This game is just what I wanted it to be. The only beef I have is how slowly squad members are introduced. Over 10 hours in and no sign of Tali :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Hidoshi on March 15, 2012, 01:31:46 AM
The final reveal was fine, the execution was just a bit iffy.

I object to the final reveal, as well as everything else about the ending.

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Mass relays cause stars to go supernova, as I recall. Even if they didn't, an explosion large enough to be seen on a galactic scale would certainly wipe out all life in the nearby systems. As far as I know, all systems inhabited by sentient races are, in fact, next to a mass relay. Whoops!

Secondly, the planet they land on: What guarantees are we given for Turians or Quarians to survive? Tali would have to live in her suit for the rest of her life – cut off from most of the technology which even makes her suit viable, and Turians can't even eat much of the same food as humans. Garrus would be shit outta luck, as would most Turians marooned on or near Earth. What about the Volus, or the Krogan? The Volus also have a containment issue. And the Krogan breed so quickly they'd probably eat up resources incredibly fast.

So basically all the ending shows is that despite ALL you have accomplished, all the hard work you put in, the galaxy is either:

a. Starving/fighting over supplies/generally fucked

b. Facing a giant diaspora of people who may or may not be able to survive in their new environments

c. Dead. Dead dead dead dead DEAD. Mass relay explosions killed everyone.

So yeah, the ending basically mugs the player for everything they've done.

I would wholly accept a DLC ending from BioWare, if only to wash out the disgusting taste of this one from my mouth.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on March 15, 2012, 01:45:16 AM
Amen.

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Mostly. I could deal with the reveal if anything made any fucking sense, but it's still unsatisfying no matter how you slice it. And Bioware's whole 'LOL WE LIKE IT BEING VAGUE LOOK AT ALL THE DISCUSSION' irritates me. It's not vague, it was written without a thought of 'this makes no sense and doesn't fit with the internal logic of this series.' People aren't speculating what happened-- anyone with a basic sense of cause and effect can figure out that there are basically one or two POSSIBLE conclusions from what we've been shown, and both of them blow. IMO. IMHO. IMHFO.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 15, 2012, 01:50:50 AM
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Mass relays didn't go supernova. Crucible focused the energies to perform the required tasks rather than just blow up. The energy surge just destroyed them.

Regarding the whole stranded issue: in two of the endings the Citadel is undamaged, and truth be told they have FTL technology (which goes at 12 light years per day), which means that SOME of them can at least get home. THe only one where the Citadel and the Mass Relays are destroyed is the Destroy ending, which makes it blatantly clear. In the other two there's no obvious "everything blew up" scene. In Control, it's obvious the Citadel is still standing.

Also, the whole REASON the Mass Relays needed to be destroyed is because with them the galaxy races are still slaves to the Reapers. In the first game the Reapers said the mass relays force civilization down the path they desire. The entire point is that civilization can now find new, other ways to progress instead of following in the Reaper's footsteps - they can still do so if desired, but the point is that their fate is for them to grasp now.

The whole message is that civilization trusted Shepard to do what was right, and now Shepard is trusting them to do the same.

All in all, it's conceptually sound; if it weren't for the terrible execution it'd just be people whining that the ending didn't fit into what they wanted.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Hidoshi on March 15, 2012, 02:06:51 AM
Wait wait...

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So you're telling me that an explosion VISIBLE ON A GALACTIC SCALE was [i]just[/i] a power surge? Come on dude. That's reaching. Far. In an even poorer show of logic, one of said explosions damages the Normandy in all three endings, so it's clear there's destructive force involved.

Even if they have FTL, there's still massive distances to traverse. The distance between Thessia and Earth alone is estimably 45-50 years at ME's idea of FTL. Turians are slightly closer at 25-30. But that's still a significant chunk of time. The Salarians particularly would have issues considering how SHORT their lifespans are.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 15, 2012, 02:13:25 AM
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That uh... wasn't an explosion. Those are the same waves of energy that controlled/destroyed/combined the Reapers. Unless you did really poorly (in which case Earth is incinerated) the energy wave was just that - an energy wave that placed the Reapers under Shepard's control, destroyed them, or combined all life. Like I said, without the Crucible to properly focus the energy (which happens if you have low war assets - the Crucible is supposedly damaged by the Reapers as a result) the energies would sterilize the galaxy.

I'm not entirely sure about the mass relay thing but even then it's not hard to presume them rebuilding the mass relays or gaining better travel technology from reverse engineering the Reapers and whatnot.
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Post by: Taelus on March 15, 2012, 02:22:20 AM
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I think he's referring to the fact that in all three endings, that energy burst is random in what it destroys and doesn't destroy. Sometimes it blows up Earth. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it wrecks the Reapers but not Earth, but DOES wreck the Normandy. No matter what the energy does/doesn't affect, it always destroys the Normandy, for some reason. It's just a lack of consistency in all parts of the ending that frustrates.

And I'm not so sure about rebuilding the relays-- they're based on Reaper tech, and even if they weren't, you need to be at both ends of the path. But I suppose it's feasible, given unlimited time and resources (which I guess they'd have, at least time)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 15, 2012, 02:24:14 AM
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You also shouldn't forget that they still have QECs, so rebuilding on both sides is definitely a possibility.

Again, conceptually the ending is sound. The execution is just WTF.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 15, 2012, 02:28:48 AM
http://www.gameblurb.net/news/gamers-raise-32000-to-change-the-ending-to-mass-effect-3/

I'm half tempted to donate. I mean, it is a good cause, and maybe it will finally show developers that we as the gamers actually do hold a few cards.
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Post by: Ashton on March 15, 2012, 02:34:01 AM
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Oh, one last thing about the FTL thing: the diameter of the milky way is 120,000 light years. THis means that it would take 27 years to fly from end to end with Mass Effect technology, so...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Hidoshi on March 15, 2012, 02:35:05 AM
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What you're saying doesn't agree with physics, however. We clearly see that the energy wave emitted by the Mass Relays being destroyed is, in fact, damaging. It's easy enough to infer from the fact that the Normandy gets damaged.

The entire execution is inconsistent, which presents us with several different problems. But we know that the energy wave is not harmless. Let's assume that, like in [i]actual[/i] physics, mass and energy are relatively proportional. If something can be seen on the galactic scale, it must have a tremendous amount of mass existing as energy. That kind of energy wave, clearly explosive (as opposed to implosive) in quality, would necessarily displace any other mass in its path. So one of three things is happening:

a) We are seeing a molecular movement, which would necessarily mean that all objects near a Mass Relay would be subject to concussive forces, which at that scale would sunder anything unable to sustain the impact. I somehow doubt even the Krogan, nay, the mother of all thresher maws would be up to the task.

b) We are seeing convection, which would cook pretty much everything in the path of the energy wave, provided it could even survive the temperature. Let's assume the average living creature does not have the physical density of the Normandy and it becomes immediately apparent at just how much barbecue is going on.

c) We are seeing a carrier signal effect, which would explain why in some cases it only shuts down synthetics, while it does other things in other cases. However, that doesn't explain the damage to the Normandy. It isn't as if the Normandy is magically closer or farther away from the event horizon.

We're dealing with something clearly destructive, being witnessed on a galactic scale, and even if they didn't cause a nearby supernova, their own impact would be incredibly destructive to all living things nearby.

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Direct distance isn't the issue. It's avoiding all the shit in your path. Basic problem of FTL: Can't go in a straight line. You'll get slagged by tons of debris, could wind up going through a planet, etc. It's even explained in ME's own context as to why the relays are so useful (among other reasons), because of how difficult navigation is due to FTL-related problems.
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Post by: Ashton on March 15, 2012, 02:42:36 AM
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Cosmic energies have more than just those attributes though, some are harmless or have no effect on organic physiology but can fry electronics, while others just blow stuff up. I assume the type of energy wave caused is tuned by the Crucible itself which can cause the network to do one of multiple things.

Like I said, conceptually sound but the execution was shitty as hell. I'm more disappointed that BioWare tore attention away from the philosophical and artistic implications of the final reveal and choice by including a crappily-executed ending than I am with the ending itself. It's not the ending I would've written, but it IS very thought provoking if you get past the stupid color explosions bullshit.

Also on the FTL thing: this is true, but like I said, there's no telling that they can't rebuild stuff on both ends fast enough to get some people out of the Sol system. There are multiple ways for the fleets to not have to stay in the Sol system.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Serene Prophet on March 15, 2012, 04:02:59 AM
So gamers are ok with donating money to get an ending they feel they deserve but didn't get...but DLC is wrong, no matter what, and is the end of the gaming industry, cause we have to pay more on top of our 60 dollar game and that makes bioware and EA money grubbing devils who no longer care...im so confused..

Still it would be nice to have a more concrete and understandable ending. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 15, 2012, 04:39:55 AM
So gamers are ok with donating money to get an ending they feel they deserve but didn't get...but DLC is wrong, no matter what, and is the end of the gaming industry, cause we have to pay more on top of our 60 dollar game and that makes bioware and EA money grubbing devils who no longer care...im so confused..

Because clearly everyone shares the same exact stance! Though they could also "fix" the ending with a coda game, in theory.

Ash and Mark: in regards to what you two were saying, I wonder
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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 15, 2012, 10:40:48 AM
I think donating money as a show of discontent (?) is vastly different and a better use of said money then paying a game developer and publisher more money for content that could have been put in the actual game before release. I don't like how companies seem to use it as an excuse to leave content out and sell it later. Chrono trigger didn't have parts left out, ffvii didn't leave out a any of its sidequests, Tales of symphonia didn't cut content out(well at least in the u.s.). All these games had long stories too, easily trumping mass effect 3's main story in terms of length. Yes, quality vs quantity, mass effect wins (at least til the ending heh heh), but I didn't see a petition for a re-written ending for Chrono Trigger, did any anyone else?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 15, 2012, 12:24:02 PM
To be fair to the Mass Effect era, Chrono Trigger and FFVII also didn't have the luxury or option of DLC and/or patches. Hell, they didn't even have append discs back then. To demand better endings wouldn't have crossed people's minds, whereas the use and abuse of the convenience of DLC and patches is.... well, getting out of hand.

I get the disappointment, I really do. Everyone knows how invested I got in Mass Effect, and those endings suck. But if they give in to the fans, that sets a really terrible precedent. If they had ending DLC planned before this though, they better be prepared for a huge blow to their integrity. If in the unlikely event the DLC exists and is free, that'll soften the blow... A bit.

And of course if they do nothing, people will bitch more. So... BioWare's sorta screwed in any event.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on March 15, 2012, 12:36:09 PM
I think donating money as a show of discontent (?) is vastly different and a better use of said money then paying a game developer and publisher more money for content that could have been put in the actual game before release. I don't like how companies seem to use it as an excuse to leave content out and sell it later. Chrono trigger didn't have parts left out, ffvii didn't leave out a any of its sidequests, Tales of symphonia didn't cut content out(well at least in the u.s.). All these games had long stories too, easily trumping mass effect 3's main story in terms of length. Yes, quality vs quantity, mass effect wins (at least til the ending heh heh), but I didn't see a petition for a re-written ending for Chrono Trigger, did any anyone else?

CT has 10+ different endings, and some even have minor variations.

A game from '95.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 15, 2012, 01:10:08 PM
My point rxactly draak. A 17 year old game had more story content and didn't need all the fancy dlc. Granted...it wasn't an option but still. It's like companies just decided that because the option is viable, they have to use it now, and since it takes more time to make content after the game is done they should get more money.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: dyeager on March 15, 2012, 01:13:26 PM
Well... they are in it to make money, and DLC is a proven winner for bottom lines. As much complaining folks do about it, it gets purchased in huge quantities.

Not saying I disagree with you in any way, just that DLC is not going away anytime soon. The audience has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it will pay for it - unless that changed in a huge way, I expect the trend will be far MORE DLC, not less.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 15, 2012, 01:25:55 PM
Now we know how multiplayer was introduced to ME3. (http://kotaku.com/5893424/there-was-going-to-be-a-mass-effect-first-person-shooter/gallery/1)

Don't have a problem with that really, in a sense it's just bundling a separate game for free with one I would've gotten anyway. Don't like how they DID add an additional ending scene for those who played co-op extensively though, but the scene's minor and it's more a problem out of principle (don't say we can get everything single player only to hide it requires NG+ to do so... And that it goes beyond how much you could fill up the bar that IMPLIES you're good to go for seeing everything.)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Hidoshi on March 15, 2012, 09:00:32 PM
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Cosmic energies have more than just those attributes though, some are harmless or have no effect on organic physiology but can fry electronics, while others just blow stuff up. I assume the type of energy wave caused is tuned by the Crucible itself which can cause the network to do one of multiple things.

Like I said, conceptually sound but the execution was shitty as hell. I'm more disappointed that BioWare tore attention away from the philosophical and artistic implications of the final reveal and choice by including a crappily-executed ending than I am with the ending itself. It's not the ending I would've written, but it IS very thought provoking if you get past the stupid color explosions bullshit.

Also on the FTL thing: this is true, but like I said, there's no telling that they can't rebuild stuff on both ends fast enough to get some people out of the Sol system. There are multiple ways for the fleets to not have to stay in the Sol system.


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Its established however that no ship has the fuel capacity to go beyond two systems. As well, Helium-5 is rare enough that less than 30% of the galaxy could be traversed by all the races combined given the fuel supply. The estimate by ME standards is that it would take several thousand years to construct enough fuel yards and refine enough helium-5 (if at all possible) to cover the galaxy. It would reduce Salarian society to rubble just by the loss of infrastructure, and the Quarians would be wholly unable to sustain their diaspora, considering how many we're probably on pilgrimage during those events.

In short: ME violates it's own rules with its ending if we want it to make sense.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 16, 2012, 05:27:21 AM
(http://penny-arcade.smugmug.com/photos/i-dfFJj7N/0/L/i-dfFJj7N-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on March 16, 2012, 06:45:06 AM
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Cosmic energies have more than just those attributes though, some are harmless or have no effect on organic physiology but can fry electronics, while others just blow stuff up. I assume the type of energy wave caused is tuned by the Crucible itself which can cause the network to do one of multiple things.

Like I said, conceptually sound but the execution was shitty as hell. I'm more disappointed that BioWare tore attention away from the philosophical and artistic implications of the final reveal and choice by including a crappily-executed ending than I am with the ending itself. It's not the ending I would've written, but it IS very thought provoking if you get past the stupid color explosions bullshit.

Also on the FTL thing: this is true, but like I said, there's no telling that they can't rebuild stuff on both ends fast enough to get some people out of the Sol system. There are multiple ways for the fleets to not have to stay in the Sol system.


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Its established however that no ship has the fuel capacity to go beyond two systems. As well, Helium-5 is rare enough that less than 30% of the galaxy could be traversed by all the races combined given the fuel supply. The estimate by ME standards is that it would take several thousand years to construct enough fuel yards and refine enough helium-5 (if at all possible) to cover the galaxy. It would reduce Salarian society to rubble just by the loss of infrastructure, and the Quarians would be wholly unable to sustain their diaspora, considering how many we're probably on pilgrimage during those events.

In short: ME violates it's own rules with its ending if we want it to make sense.

I agree.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: PotRoast on March 16, 2012, 08:10:00 AM
So having not played ME2 or ME3 (didn't like the first, so I don't plan on it), what's the deal with trolling some ME fans by comparing it to Gurren Lagann? (the rest of seem to think this is awesome or do not care)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 16, 2012, 08:36:46 AM
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the motivation of the Reapers makes them like a retarded version of the Anti-Spirals. Anti-Spirals sought to eliminate and/or oppress spiral lifeforms so they don't grow to the point of invoking the spiral nemesis and imploding the universe. The Reapers keep wiping out organic races and turning at least some of them into Reapers... to prevent them from creating an advanced synthetic race that would eliminate all organic life period. It'd make more sense if it WERE closer to the Anti-Spirals, that they keep wiping out advanced races so as to keep them from completely dominating the galaxy, draining resources, and prohibiting other races from ever rising. You actually see some examples where they could already be cemented as a valid reason, the Krogan reproduce/mature quickly, live extraordinarily long lives, and are absurdly resilient so they seriously could've dominated the galaxy had it not been for the genophage, and you also had the Protheans who we discover subjected and enslaved other races all the time, allowing no one else to reach their heights unless they successfully rebelled and overthrew them.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 16, 2012, 02:48:43 PM
Considering the alternative, there are worse things to be compared to than Gurren Lagann. Like Evangelion. At least Gurren Lagann is badass, Evangelion is an insult.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 16, 2012, 03:23:00 PM
So hey, when would be a good time for us all to get on for multiplayer? I'm about to take care of some errands, but after that I believe I'm free, though I'm waiting for a few buds to reply to a movie invite. Saturday is open for me too, so I'll be bouncing around between mass effect and killing jihl nabaat in ffxiii-2 for the day.

Eagerly awaiting putting down some enemy forces with my level 19 soldier.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: John on March 16, 2012, 03:28:53 PM
This weekend is good.  Everyone play silver or higher vs Reapers.  CHANCE FOR AWESOME STUFF.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 16, 2012, 03:31:02 PM
I'm down for this weekend myself. My Krogan demands blood.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 16, 2012, 03:43:54 PM
Glad I chose laundry and grocery shopping today then.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 16, 2012, 04:59:22 PM
This weekend works for me! Sorry I didn't get back to anyone last night, I was in a full lobby with friends all night. Got my human vanguard to level 14 though and galactic readiness to 84%, successful night. Still haven't unlocked any other races.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 16, 2012, 05:04:40 PM
See, I'm half (HALF) tempted to nab some xbl points for the from ashes dlc and the blow the rest on spectre packs to up my multiplayer stuff. I only played mp for like a day and a half, and haven't really gotten much done for it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 16, 2012, 08:43:07 PM
I love the fact that the experience you get for a kill or assist is relative to how much damage you do on a guy.

I've got a beefy engineer. Bought a spectre pack but didn't get anything useful really.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 16, 2012, 08:56:38 PM
Goddamnit every time I make plans to do something, which btw is fucking never, I get forced to cancel em. Looks like I'm working tomorrow now, not sure for how long, and it's in the city...during the second biggest parade of the year in manhattan. I should be around in the evening, but daytime hours are shot.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 17, 2012, 12:26:02 AM
Man I was literally surprised at the gravity of a certain situation I had to decide upon. I love this game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 17, 2012, 12:49:11 AM
to those playing as female... anyone notice that some of the battle "grunts" sound like a guy? Shit like when your PC hops over stuff or slides into cover.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on March 17, 2012, 03:50:32 AM
I love the fact that the experience you get for a kill or assist is relative to how much damage you do on a guy.

I've got a beefy engineer. Bought a spectre pack but didn't get anything useful really.

We were totally discussing this when we played earlier. Yeah, it's a great balancing act by BioWare. They've definitely done a solid job of crafting the multiplayer in this game. It doesn't feel cheesy, gimicky or tacked on in any way, like it has for some games in the past. It's fun, it's challenging, and it can be rewarding if you don't get curbstomped in the first wave haha.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: ValendianKnight on March 17, 2012, 04:15:25 AM
I'm sorry, but I need to vent and BSN has become way too exagerated one way or another. But I don't think I've ever felt this way about a piece of entertainment. This game's ending is not fair, to anyone. I have been with the series since the start, own every collector's edition and DLC out, but I can't look at ME3 the way I did all the way up until the last 15 minutes. How can such a brilliant game get such a bizzare and careless ending? It's like it was written by some else entirely. I can't bring myself to even put the game in anymore. This come right on the heels of finishing a full on Xenosaga Ep1-3 run(first time, never finished ep2 and 3 back in the day), and for all the ups and downs that series had,  it ended in fantastically, and it didn't throw all logic out the window.

Oh well, here's hoping the "alternate/ theory for the ending turns out to be canon, and we get DLC.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 17, 2012, 04:25:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JouFJ.png)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 17, 2012, 04:52:50 PM
to those playing as female... anyone notice that some of the battle "grunts" sound like a guy? Shit like when your PC hops over stuff or slides into cover.

I don't even remember, but usually because everyone is mic'ed up and maybe it gets drowned out. Fun fact: I like hearing JHale yell when I use nova/heavy melee. ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 17, 2012, 04:56:02 PM
K, done working, getting a cab home now, so if anyone's up for some reaper beatings, gimme an hout and a half, cuz I SOOOOOO want to thrash some marauders.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 17, 2012, 04:58:34 PM
Let's thrash some brutes too. FOR SCIENCE. And gifts.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 17, 2012, 05:09:37 PM
I'll be on probably 9-10 tonight central time I'll be on all night most likely
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 17, 2012, 05:29:57 PM
Yoda, what's your gamertag? I'll add you when I get home. Literally in a cab on my way now (love mah celly phone), and as a bonus I nabbed some xbl points. Might buy a spectre pack and or two, heh heh.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 17, 2012, 05:40:42 PM
Syz 9000
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 17, 2012, 07:36:08 PM
Saw the ending.

Lame but I don't care. (・へ・) yep
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 17, 2012, 11:58:37 PM
Alright, been waiting for a while to run some mass multiplayer with you peeps, only kyuusei is on and when I last checked she was doing single player. What's up, we gonna smash some skulls or no?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: ZeronHitaro on March 18, 2012, 03:25:10 PM
Fan files FTC suit against Bioware over the 'bad ending'. (http://www.screwattack.com/news/unsatisfied-fan-files-ftc-complaint-against-mass-effect-3)

L.o.flipping.l.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 18, 2012, 03:27:59 PM
Came down with a headache last night. Figured Citadel sidequests would be less intense.

Ugh don't get me started on FTC guy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 18, 2012, 03:33:02 PM
The ending's terrible, but crap like that only confirms that at least SOME fans are acting like entitled brats.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: ZeronHitaro on March 18, 2012, 03:38:41 PM
In all fairness he 'almost' does have a leg to stand on. Bioware did promise a product that would generate endings based upon your actions in the past two games. If all the material I've read over the past few days is all truthful and accurate then they pretty much lied through their teeth; thus pretty much conned people into buying a product different than the one advertised.

The only thing knocking the wind out of this guy's sails is the fact Bioware's admitting there is a problem and are taking proactive steps to fix it. This isn't some con group trying to sweep their dirt under the rug; as such this whole thing seems needlessly extreme. XP
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 18, 2012, 03:42:00 PM
While ME3 barely tried at all there ARE real limits on what you could pull there for video games, especially when they try to be this cinematic. I think the concept of a trilogy with several decisions that effect each installment would've worked better in a lower budget series though, something like Baldur's Gate if they were much quicker to complete or something.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 18, 2012, 04:08:04 PM
To think that the ending of Star Ocean 3 is better.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 18, 2012, 04:16:00 PM
No it wasn't.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 18, 2012, 04:23:31 PM
Only in comparison.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 18, 2012, 04:29:22 PM
To think that the ending of Star Ocean 3 is better.

Thanks for reminding me of what endings were worse than ME3's.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 18, 2012, 04:34:54 PM
It is comforting to know that there are worse endings than ME3's... ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 18, 2012, 05:16:07 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/ajkxo6.gif) heh
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 19, 2012, 03:54:32 AM
So seeing that this weekend was a bit of a crapout, when would you fine people lole to try and organize an rpgfan mass destruction of mass effect again? I generally am free most evenings and weekends, as private residences don't allow contractors in past 5pm on weekdays and ever on weekends. I really took a liking to vanguard over the weekend, and am really intereated in getting some more playtime in with less randoms who can't figure out how to get behind cover and away from banshees.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 19, 2012, 06:43:03 AM
Agent D i tried joining a game w/ yall but you were in a full party.


I tried a silver level match w/ my level 18 engineer. I've been carrying only a pistol for the bronze levels to boost up power time. Silver was a rude awakening... made it to level 9 and then we all died. I need to get better weapons and upgrades.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 19, 2012, 12:43:33 PM
Agent D i tried joining a game w/ yall but you were in a full party.


I tried a silver level match w/ my level 18 engineer. I've been carrying only a pistol for the bronze levels to boost up power time. Silver was a rude awakening... made it to level 9 and then we all died. I need to get better weapons and upgrades.
Well, I'm down to rock today, not much going on til tomorrow. If you're interested, I'll hop on in a bit, just toss me an invite.

Oh, and the only time I was in a full party was ironically when I had to go afk, lol.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 20, 2012, 01:41:54 PM
Perigrin's fellowship and I rocked some shit up last night. I think it's time we attempt some silver matches
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 20, 2012, 01:56:54 PM
Damnit yoda, what time do you generally get on? I was on til like 11pm est last night, and my friend list was 3 people, and 2 were away.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 20, 2012, 01:59:22 PM
I got on around 1030 my time (1130 yours) and was recruited by Peri almost instantly. What can I say? I'm high in demand.


Maybe I should charge for my services. (http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6198/ythinkingzw2bc5.gif)

My engineer is level 20 and ready for silver level geth matches.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 20, 2012, 02:10:54 PM
You guys suck for having a full party last night. ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: (Tunnels) on March 20, 2012, 04:35:04 PM
Y'all on Xbox need an extra pair of hands?

Currently working on a drell adept. Not very good at the moment, but I'm practicing! :D

GT: Scareknee
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 20, 2012, 04:37:42 PM
Which reminds me - I unlocked a quarian infiltrator who needs to go through the motions. Feel free to add me! Maas Effect, since I don't know how many pages back I last posted my GT. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on March 20, 2012, 05:32:17 PM
Which reminds me - I unlocked a quarian infiltrator who needs to go through the motions. Feel free to add me! Maas Effect, since I don't know how many pages back I last posted my GT. :P

I gots one of those! They're so bad. (I mean 'so bad' in the way that the power glove is so bad. A cookie to whomever gets that ^_^)

But seriously, my infiltrator's good times. I do miss my cryoblast, though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 20, 2012, 08:28:55 PM
Haha, when it's me playing, the infiltrator's gonna be terrible. It'll be hard not to go GUNS BLAZING - or in my case, biotics flaring. ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 20, 2012, 10:32:48 PM
Just nabbed my commendation pack, Valiant obtained. It's comical because my victory back had a widow. Thanks bioware!

Also of note, they patched the only assault rifle worth using, the falcon. It fires slower, has a lower max capacity ammo, and STILL does the same damage and has the horrible hit detection  (like firing straight past your target, wasting an even more precious round). Human soldier=worst class in multiplayer. I also tried my hand at a salarian infiltrator, which ended quite poorly. Never died so many times in a match. It was quite saddening, especially since I just promoted my awesome vanguard super soldier. Sad times...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on March 21, 2012, 04:11:30 AM
Haha, when it's me playing, the infiltrator's gonna be terrible. It'll be hard not to go GUNS BLAZING - or in my case, biotics flaring. ;)

Evidence of this has been seen. We lost a Liz many a time haha. Also had a few Agent D drops too ^_~ hahaha
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 21, 2012, 08:58:44 AM
Never promoting vanguard again. Also worth mentioning I'M NEVER PROMOTING VANGUARD AGAIN!!!!!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 21, 2012, 09:34:08 AM
We need better team cohesion on those silver levels.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 21, 2012, 10:17:04 AM
We need Agent D. to not promote his vanguard ever again!


Agreed.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 21, 2012, 11:28:23 AM
I blame Yoda being drunk.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 21, 2012, 11:32:54 AM
I was hammered and awesome.

I blame Canada
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 21, 2012, 12:17:05 PM
I blame perigryn's suit. It was so sleek and attractive, totally threw our collective focus off.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 21, 2012, 12:34:45 PM
I got distracted by it. It was blinding. ;)

Oh and D and I not hearing each other at all was a bit of an issue. The fuck's up with that?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 21, 2012, 12:48:54 PM
what's up with that galaxy at war map? last night when i signed off it was at 100% now it's at 98

HUH?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 21, 2012, 12:52:55 PM
Goes down by 2-3% per day. I got some achievo last night for hitting 100% but I think I'm at 98 or 99 now.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 21, 2012, 12:55:53 PM
I just had a brainstorm!

Bad box art human vanguard! I will make this happen!


...just wish I wasn't stuck in harlem for the rest of the day :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 21, 2012, 01:34:39 PM
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Indoctrination Theory -- http://youtu.be/ythY_GkEBck
ADMIN EDIT: Let's play it safe when it's ending related stuff.

Edit: Ah, sorry.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on March 22, 2012, 03:02:47 AM
Goes down by 2-3% per day. I got some achievo last night for hitting 100% but I think I'm at 98 or 99 now.

Yeah, I've seen evidence of this.

And hell yes my suit is sexy! My Krogan booty all sleek and stuff...

Oh wait... you're referring to my Quarian... heh... yeah... my bad...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: dyeager on March 22, 2012, 11:03:06 AM
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Indoctrination Theory -- http://youtu.be/ythY_GkEBck
ADMIN EDIT: Let's play it safe when it's ending related stuff.

Edit: Ah, sorry.

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I just finished the game last night and this is what I assumed the ending actually was! I'm kind
of surprised it seems to be regarded as a fringe theory, I haven't figured out an alternative that
makes the ending make sense. But my initial impression was exactly this (I didn't notice ALL of
the details this guy did) while I was playing it and my mind was sort of blown. I couldn't believe
people were crushing the ending like they were - I'm obviously way behind everybody in terms
of finishing the game but the "worst ending ever" chatter was impossible to ignore.

But - obviously if you don't think this is what is actually happening I can totally see why it
would enrage people.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Logick on March 22, 2012, 02:13:14 PM
Beat it, loved the game, thought the ending was crap.  Betting they're going to "Monetize" the real ending.

On a side note this monetization BS is getting out of control.  Thank god I went indie.  My teams future game will have DLC in the sense of "expansion packs".
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 22, 2012, 06:44:44 PM
http://www.lazygamer.net/xbox-360/sorry-that-people-are-idiots-bioware/

After reading this, I realized that EVERY PERSON EVER must be an idiot, because having an opinion is fine, unless it's a negative opinion, then it's wrong. Also, voicing a positive opinion is also wrong, because if you give your opinion, everyone has to disagree, making it a negative opinion. Hence why people don't praise the game, they only shit on it.


WHY ARE PEOPLE STUPID OMG MY BRAIN OWWWWWWW!!!!
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Post by: Eusis on March 22, 2012, 07:06:11 PM
That might be a good argument if ME3's ending was more logical or hated ONLY because
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it wasn't a happy ending... though arguably even that, to an extent, is justified to be angry about given they advertised "RAISE GALACTIC READINESS TO GET THE BEST ENDING". But no, it's mostly thought provoking in that it causes people to brainstorm and look for clues why it's an indoctrination delusion if not outright dream, and whether the damn Mass Relays exploding should've wiped out star systems or not (given I'm pretty sure they actively spent up all their energy for those waves they released, I'm thinking there would be no super nova explosions)
Admittedly I don't think it's a good idea to release DLC to change the ending, maybe just flesh it out better and iron out some issues, but given Arthur Conan Doyle went and resurrected Sherlock Holmes due to fan backlash I don't think this is really going to harm video games as art.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 22, 2012, 07:14:09 PM
Wow that (Lazygamer) is a fucking awful, lazy, misinformed and poorly structured minirant. I have NO idea how they went from ME3's endings to copypasta FPS map packs, but okay. Sure, it sucks that people are getting THIS riled up about the endings, but... they're entitled to their opinions, good or bad, no?

It's also really irritating how everyone is taking Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement the other day (http://blog.bioware.com/2012/03/21/4108/) and going OMG THEY'RE CHANGING THE ENDING. Except... he never said that. He said they'd address and answer things, which could be just a clarification and not 'NEW ENDING.' Personally, I'd rather they just 'clarify' things than do a whole new other ending. If the ending we got really is a result of the popular theory going around, then maybe they have to spell it out for well, everyone else.

One thing I want to know is
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whether my squadmates in London really died. Then again, if Shepard lives after the Destroy ending, maybe they can too.
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Post by: Eusis on March 22, 2012, 07:28:47 PM
There's more specific points to get angry about anyway, rather than getting indignant that people are angry over the ending how about the people who filed with the BBB/FTC about it, or are trying to get refunds from Amazon BECAUSE of the ending, or at least those who are seriously campaigning to get it changed rather than just going "wow that was terrible" or "I wouldn't mind buying DLC if it contained a new ending"? There's a lot of points and stances I can see taking issue with,
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the fact some seriously want a happier ending first and foremost bugs me, or at least a MUCH happier ending rather than a softer bittersweet ending, but when you lump everyone together you're insulting everyone who'd otherwise be closer to agreeing with you.
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Post by: Logick on March 22, 2012, 09:23:30 PM
as for me:
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I don't care if the ending is happy or sad, I just wanted it to make sense. thought provoking yeah, but this current ending is neither happy, sad, or thought provoking, it was more "WTF?"
I think the whole FTC thing was BS, asking for a refund is humorous.  Adding a DLC which will explain it more, or fix it I don't mind.
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Post by: kyuusei on March 22, 2012, 09:48:03 PM
Exactly.
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I EXPECTED a sad ending, for Shepard to sacrifice him/herself. If my only problem with the ending was that it wasn't happy, I could have lived with that.

But people deride Deus Ex: Human Revolution's endings. Hell, my favourite ending in that game is when Adam [i]dies[/i]. Even though you push a button for your ending of choice - they were still thought provoking without needing to show you cemented conclusions. They didn't have to. In Mass Effect 3, you just don't know what the fuck is going on once you reach the beam. Shit doesn't add up, and indoctrination would explain it all very neatly. I would be totally content with some DLC, but damn, please make it a better DLC than charging $10 for From Ashes.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 23, 2012, 02:17:33 PM
DOUBLE POAST.

+25% EXP in multiplayer all weekend. All platforms. BW suggest we might need it for next weekend's challenge (which better not be Gold/Banshees, or I will run off screaming).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 23, 2012, 03:06:37 PM
I'd rather 25% more credits, exp is accrued fast enough, and the n7 ranking isn't worth promoting my beloved characters for anymore.

Rolled with perigryn and his buddy last night for a while. Almost three manned a silver map, which was impressive (9th round ko). I have a newfound love of infiltrator now, and engineer is pretty fun too. I guess my preferences are evolving.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 24, 2012, 06:51:14 AM
Snagged a black widow playing online, making the javelin the only sniper rifle I lack. I played around with a few new classes in multiplayer, and took a liking to turian sentinel. Overload abuse coupled with a low weight weapon makes for relatively easy fights. Add some tech armor and you can take a beating pretty easily.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 24, 2012, 06:53:22 AM
I can't stand the Turians lack of mobility
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 24, 2012, 07:03:37 AM
I can't stand the Turians lack of mobility
That's pretty much the only kick in the ass.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 25, 2012, 06:16:24 PM
Finally got a turian sentinel!

Also been replaying the campaign on 360 with my OTHER Renegade FemShep. That is, the one with a fetish for horrible spiky monsters. Just finished Tuchanka.
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Last time I cured the genophage. This time I decided to sabotage it to mix things up a little.

And I had to shoot Mordin using a renegade interrupt. That was the hardest interrupt I've ever had to do. I cried for five minutes afterwards. I felt horrible. D:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 25, 2012, 06:36:57 PM
i haven't done multi in forever. i'll probably be on later. i want to get in some campaign time now


Is there a point of no return mission? If so can someone do their best to let me know what it is spoiler free?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Lard on March 25, 2012, 06:47:37 PM
So do people here think the ending is as bad as everyone says?

From what I've generally heard, the problems are it seems rushed and is full of plot holes.

(I'm just generally curious)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 25, 2012, 06:50:27 PM
I don't find it too offensive, my biggest problem with it is that it took away all the attention the meaning and subtext the final reveal gave because of its brevity and nonsensical execution.

That being said, I don't like it or think it's good, but I can see why it would ruin the series for some people; so yes, objectively, it's pretty damn bad, and this is coming from someone who's the biggest Mass Effect fan you'll find.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 25, 2012, 06:52:51 PM
Yoda - When your next priority mission is to go to a certain base, there's no turning back and your 'military effectiveness' and readiness all that crap is locked in.

Lard - that pretty well sums it up, actually. It's just a huge turn from the rest of the series and a letdown. Personally I don't want them to totally remake the ending. I'd rather see them provide some clarification as to what the fuck I saw in the last 10 mins.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 25, 2012, 07:15:22 PM
As much as I could I played the game w/ Garus and Tali, through all the mass effects that's probably over 130 hours of game time. I'm going to miss them.

I just did the Garus buddy mission when you cruise up to bridge on the presidium
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 25, 2012, 07:18:55 PM
Hahaha did you take the last shot or miss? It's funnier if you miss it on purpose. Garrus cracks me up.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 25, 2012, 07:23:31 PM
I took the shot. I'm paragon but I don't back down baby


Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 25, 2012, 07:26:11 PM
I missed that shot. I don't think it'd logically be on purpose though, Garrus is the sniper, the one who spent days doing so under siege, and I'm the guy who flies into an enemy and fires a shotgun in their face. Who do you think is more likely the REAL better shot?
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Post by: Yoda on March 25, 2012, 07:28:07 PM
Jane Shepard is an accomplished shot. I also figured taking the shot would open up for more showmanship and stuff.
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Post by: Agent D. on March 25, 2012, 07:30:44 PM
Anxiously awaiting that statue of garrus being made on the presidium.

Quick edit: I'm watching t.v. right now, but I wanna play some multiplayer if anyone's interested. First reply here for multiplayer, and'I'll sprint to my xblox.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 25, 2012, 07:37:13 PM
Jane Shepard is an accomplished shot. I also figured taking the shot would open up for more showmanship and stuff.

Yeah, I can see it being a closer competition if Shepard is also a sniper or otherwise that good with a gun. Mine are vanguards and are more about the biotics, so Garrus would win that little competition easily. My current Shep wouldn't mind a tiebreaker will miss on purpose since the last one took the shot. =P

Anyway. Won't be home for a while and should probably focus on single player.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 25, 2012, 07:48:16 PM
"It's a good thing you're so good at shooting bottles, Vakarian. I hope you'll be around when the bottles revolt."

I laughed so hard I peed a little at that line.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 25, 2012, 08:23:02 PM
Jane Shepard is an accomplished shot. I also figured taking the shot would open up for more showmanship and stuff.

Yeah, I can see it being a closer competition if Shepard is also a sniper or otherwise that good with a gun. Mine are vanguards and are more about the biotics, so Garrus would win that little competition easily. My current Shep wouldn't mind a tiebreaker will miss on purpose since the last one took the shot. =P

Anyway. Won't be home for a while and should probably focus on single player.
usuk, i haet joo, ur a nub, fail, etc...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Aurian on March 26, 2012, 12:00:36 AM
Is no one else a sniper? I love being a sniper/biotic combo and pick off the distant enemies while Garrus and James/Javik do the dirty work up close (for some reason Garrus never uses his sniper rifle).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 26, 2012, 12:08:55 AM
Is no one else a sniper? I love being a sniper/biotic combo and pick off the distant enemies while Garrus and James/Javik do the dirty work up close (for some reason Garrus never uses his sniper rifle).
You know you can manually select his weapon right? Also, sniping in mass effect is a bit of a chore, it's not often your enemies are far away enough to warrant use of a sniper rifle, and the weight of the good ones can hamper your power use a great deal. If you want a good rifle for sniping and close range, try the saber assault rifle. It's viciously strong and accurate, for an assault rifle, and give it a scope to make it a ranged nightmare for opposition.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on March 26, 2012, 03:41:06 AM
Is no one else a sniper? I love being a sniper/biotic combo and pick off the distant enemies while Garrus and James/Javik do the dirty work up close (for some reason Garrus never uses his sniper rifle).

Vanguard sniper, right here. I pick at them from a distance then switch to a shotty or pistol when I need to close.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 26, 2012, 11:53:46 AM
Is no one else a sniper? I love being a sniper/biotic combo and pick off the distant enemies while Garrus and James/Javik do the dirty work up close (for some reason Garrus never uses his sniper rifle).
You know you can manually select his weapon right? Also, sniping in mass effect is a bit of a chore, it's not often your enemies are far away enough to warrant use of a sniper rifle, and the weight of the good ones can hamper your power use a great deal. If you want a good rifle for sniping and close range, try the saber assault rifle. It's viciously strong and accurate, for an assault rifle, and give it a scope to make it a ranged nightmare for opposition.
Sniping is easy and awesome in ME

anyone ever have problems w/ some of the side quests either not popping up on the map or not being counted as completed after they were?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 26, 2012, 01:06:20 PM
Yeah the journal isn't as useful this time around. It doesn't tell you when you've completed something. All I do is scan the hell out of all the star systems until the Reapers literally chase me away, and go to the Citadel, checking my map in each area to see if I picked up anything for anyone. Gotten a lot of war assets and credits these last few days.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 26, 2012, 01:16:13 PM
I 100%ed all the systems that can be 100%ed... I guess all that's left is the final push. I'll bring the readiness back up to 100% tonight before that. I guess I might as well spend all my cash, upgrade all the weapons, get the spectre guns, etc. Get the goldfish too. Is there a space hamster?!

I got that bittersweet feeling... Like when you were set to graduate HS and you knew you'd never see most of those people again.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: DPB on March 26, 2012, 08:07:14 PM
Is there a space hamster?!

Check where Jack used to hang around in ME2, you might have to wait a few seconds too.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Aurian on March 26, 2012, 08:55:28 PM
Is no one else a sniper? I love being a sniper/biotic combo and pick off the distant enemies while Garrus and James/Javik do the dirty work up close (for some reason Garrus never uses his sniper rifle).
You know you can manually select his weapon right? Also, sniping in mass effect is a bit of a chore, it's not often your enemies are far away enough to warrant use of a sniper rifle, and the weight of the good ones can hamper your power use a great deal. If you want a good rifle for sniping and close range, try the saber assault rifle. It's viciously strong and accurate, for an assault rifle, and give it a scope to make it a ranged nightmare for opposition.

And here I figured he just liked his particle beam. :(  I like the power of the sniper rifle, and with Garrus and James raising hell, I usually have time to aim and blow off someone's head in 1-2 shots. Level 5 Valiant wasn't too heavy, had great damage and 3 shots at a time. I might give Saber rifle a go when/if I replay the game. I didn't like the low accuracy of most rifles (and a lot of them were massively heavy).

I hardly ever close though - pretty much did sniper rifle the whole game. If something gets close, I throw a Warp or Singularity at it and run screaming until Garrus takes it out for me :p
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 26, 2012, 09:19:20 PM
You, sir, need to experience vanguard.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 26, 2012, 11:29:16 PM
Is there a space hamster?!

Check where Jack used to hang around in ME2, you might have to wait a few seconds too.

Thanks!

I miss that little guy
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 27, 2012, 03:39:52 AM
I loved the ending and personally I don't understand the damn fuss. I personally like what they did instead of want everyone seems to want. It's artistic, it's pure sci-fi, and it's a great conclusion to what the story is mainly about: evolutionary cycles.

It's not totally unique and fits in with some other similar stories
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battlestar galactica, star control 2, babylon 5, isaac asimov's foundation

But I'm glad the choices made in all the games weren't paraded out endlessly like  "NICE JOB SHEPAD," said the Rachni queen

My grippes were what I finished the game late... i wish there was some way to review the choices at the end before making them.

I chose:
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the middle option, combining organics and synths and blowing up the relays.

I'm curious as all hell to see what the next game in the series is...because while I haven't seen all the endings I imagine they repercussions are really different.


I'm not one for replaying stuff but I see you can restart the end mission. I'd do that but I don't want to overwrite the path I took.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 27, 2012, 04:16:30 AM
Instead of putting a huge spoiler box in my post, I'll just link what I thought about the ending: http://www.leyviur.net/?p=244
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 27, 2012, 08:43:53 AM
Have any of you all looked into the "indoctrination theory" circulating around? The video is pretty revealing, kinda makes you wonder if bioware really was thinking ahead? I don't wanna link to it because it is MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR ALL THREE GAMES if you haven't played them, but it shouldn't be so hard to find it via a quick google search. I know a lot of you are bitter with bioware, but the theory really does throw a wrench in the works.
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Post by: Yoda on March 27, 2012, 11:23:59 AM
Instead of putting a huge spoiler box in my post, I'll just link what I thought about the ending: http://www.leyviur.net/?p=244

Nicely put!

edit: since it might be years before I play this again, if at all, I looked up Tali's face reveal. I thought that was tasteful and well done. Also, I'D HIT IT
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Aurian on March 27, 2012, 08:37:09 PM
You, sir, need to experience vanguard.

And end up a little red puddle on the floor? >_<
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on March 27, 2012, 08:43:20 PM
You, sir, need to experience vanguard.

And end up a little red puddle on the floor? >_<
Actually Vanguard has the highest survivability in this game, since you have abilities that restore your barrier to max after every charge and you can shave that ability down to 1 or 2 seconds.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 28, 2012, 12:17:00 AM
one thing about the ending(s)
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So... all the mass relays have been destroyed. That leaves two interesting thoughts. One is that everyone that came to fight at earth is trapped there. Also, according to Arrival that one mass replay they destroyed creamed a whole solar system. So by all accounts every system that had a relay in it should be gone, including earth.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Dice on March 28, 2012, 12:20:06 AM
one thing about the ending(s)
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So... all the mass relays have been destroyed. That leaves two interesting thoughts. One is that everyone that came to fight at earth is trapped there. Also, according to Arrival that one mass replay they destroyed creamed a whole solar system. So by all accounts every system that had a relay in it should be gone, including earth.

Hmmm, interesting.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 28, 2012, 12:26:24 AM
one thing about the ending(s)
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So... all the mass relays have been destroyed. That leaves two interesting thoughts. One is that everyone that came to fight at earth is trapped there. Also, according to Arrival that one mass replay they destroyed creamed a whole solar system. So by all accounts every system that had a relay in it should be gone, including earth.

Hmmm, interesting.

http://youtu.be/CJLKtXxnGr4
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 28, 2012, 12:49:34 AM
You, sir, need to experience vanguard.

And end up a little red puddle on the floor? >_<
Actually Vanguard has the highest survivability in this game, since you have abilities that restore your barrier to max after every charge and you can shave that ability down to 1 or 2 seconds.
Salarian engineer has pretty good survivability too, with decoy being astoundingly useful and energy drain working like vanguard's biotic charge without the nasty side effect of putting you in front of an angry atlas. Granted I'm referring to multiplayer now, but the abilities are both available in single player as bonus powers. If you want some crazy indestructible shepard, vanguard and energy drain as a bonus power.
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Post by: Ashton on March 28, 2012, 02:40:51 AM
one thing about the ending(s)
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So... all the mass relays have been destroyed. That leaves two interesting thoughts. One is that everyone that came to fight at earth is trapped there. Also, according to Arrival that one mass replay they destroyed creamed a whole solar system. So by all accounts every system that had a relay in it should be gone, including earth.
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That's where the Crucible came into play. It focused the energies of the Mass Relays into doing whatever it is Shepard chose instead of just turning potential into kinetic energy and frying the galaxy. The worst endings have the Crucible misfiring and actually causing this scenario.
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Post by: kyuusei on March 28, 2012, 01:37:54 PM
New N7 challenge this weekend:

http://blog.bioware.com/2012/03/28/operation-raptor/

tl;dr: Promote two characters this weekend to get stuff. Hope you didn't promote anyone recently!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 28, 2012, 04:23:10 PM
I want to get more guns and stuff!

Who wants to help Ole Yodes to shoot baddies to earn credits? Get me better guns so I can do some silver and then golds
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Dice on March 28, 2012, 04:25:01 PM
I want to get more guns and stuff!

Who wants to help Ole Yodes to shoot baddies to earn credits? Get me better guns so I can do some silver and then golds

Right here, buddy, right here.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 28, 2012, 05:04:56 PM
Yoda: I might be able to tonight and/or the weekend, but not tomorrow.

Shotgun I love the most so far: The Graal Spike Thrower. It is AWESOME.

And I have a turian sentinel! I don't suck as him, unlike my poor, hapless quarian infiltrator.

Single player haps: The Garrus romance is also awesome. But. I wish I Paramoured him sooner because the whole fucking crew was hitting on me before I locked into that romance. Kaidan having feelings for Shepard was hellllla awkward.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Perigryn on March 28, 2012, 05:49:50 PM
I want to get more guns and stuff!

Who wants to help Ole Yodes to shoot baddies to earn credits? Get me better guns so I can do some silver and then golds

I should be kicking around after rehearsal tonight to join the ruckus!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 28, 2012, 06:58:04 PM
Tonight is no good! Tomorrow, Frinight, sat, sun, etc.

I caught Garus and Tali making out something fierce by the gun battery
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on March 28, 2012, 07:25:19 PM
Garrus and Tali making out was hilarious. I have to admit. Although. How the fuck do you make out with that damn helmet/mask thing on?! At least drunk!Tali explained herself. EMERGENCY INDUCTION PORT.

Peri - even if Yoda's being lame, I'll be around later. ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 28, 2012, 07:52:20 PM
I'll be on tonight as well, though before 3am is preferred. Been up since 4, long series of meetings across manhattan.

6 classes, all level 20, turian sentinel is the shit.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 29, 2012, 03:29:18 PM
So I guess the image for Tali's face is just a sloppy shop job of a stock photo.
Spoiler link
http://www.gamebandits.com/news/mass-effect-3-spoiler-stock-photo-used-for-tali-de-masking-36529/


Now I agree that the look of the woman sort of fits what I'd imagined her to be on a level, but man is that an ugly job they did on that photo. They just warped the eyes a bit, deleted a finger, and added some node looking things on her neck. Now I didn't expect everyone to agree w/ how she looks or how they revealed her face, and I love the way they did it, but when there's more convincing fan art out there that took it more seriously... that's a bummer.

In fact I'm more bummed out by this than anything to do w/ the ending.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on March 29, 2012, 03:54:04 PM
In fact I'm more bummed out by this than anything to do w/ the ending.

It's stuff like this that'll get to me longer. It's seriously one of the most half assed ways to deal with revealing something like this, only way this could've been worse (albeit more hilarious) if they revealed the mask under her mask REALLY IS HER FACE.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 29, 2012, 06:57:08 PM
I think the fact that it's only a photo and not an in game representation of her and of all quarians is what really chaffs mine and most other fans' asses. Seeing a photo like that only shows that there is something that we all wanted to see, but bioware, or maybe EA, didn't care to actually put that into the game. It ends being that the entire race will always be a masked group of unknowns, with one photo of a hot chick to "reassure" us. It's like if darth vader never took his helmet off in the star wars flicks, or if you never find out who the psycho was in scream and its' sequels. Add onto that the fact that there will be no more direct mass effect sequel, maybe some spin off or dlc stuff, and the fanbase has little chance of our undying urge to see the quarians unmasked happen.

Of course, when I say quarians, I mean a full shot of tali' zorah unmaksked.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 29, 2012, 07:22:48 PM
The Darth Vader argument really doesn't help, IMHO, since that movie was god awful and having Darth look like uncle fester was a big error. Sure his body was dependent on life support...still looked stupid.


I'll defend the manner in which they revealed Tali since i think it was a touching and emotional method. They could've just showed her whole head on her planet but this way seems to be a bit more artistic. In my personal life I value little tokens like pictures and what have you. Plus I like the idea of looking at that pic one last time before I face reaper Armageddon.

If they could've pulled off a more direct way like you wanted I'd be happy too, but as it stands I like what came of it. I'm just not happy they basically did a 10 min shop job on one of my trusted traveling companions whom with I spend well over 100 hours with in 3 different games.


Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 30, 2012, 03:07:14 AM
Ran some gold multiplayer runs tonight with a group of pals. We took the bitch route though, cerberus on firebase white. I didn't think I would have that much fun honestly, considering wave 11 was basically phantoms, atlas mechs, and combat engineers, but me on my turian sentinel and my friends on asari and drell adepts. Can you say biotic explosions?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on March 30, 2012, 07:10:34 AM
have you beat any gold levels yet?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on March 30, 2012, 11:57:57 AM
have you beat any gold levels yet?
Yeah, we beat both runs last night, second one with a full extraction to boot. The first one...lol, I got downed with one second left on the extraction timer.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 02, 2012, 01:59:20 AM
So i promoted all sixe classes on friday, and played just enough to get sentinel back to 20. Haven't played really since outside of 2 hours today. Pretty sure we cleared the 150k promotions required for victory packs, so hooray for that.

Wonder what next weekend will be? I personally am hoping for a double credits weekend.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: DPB on April 03, 2012, 09:39:58 PM
Is anyone else really terrible at the multiplayer? I tried it for the first time (on PC, so I won't be able to join you Xbox folks) tonight, and I seem to be totally out of my depth, I get the occasional kill but everyone else seems to buzz around at super-speed and kill almost everything before I can even take aim. It's surprisingly fun though, I've survived a few maps and the random players are generally quick to revive me when I inevitably get taken down, and they tend to stick together.

I don't suppose it helps that this is the first time I've played online multiplayer since Half Life briefly in 1999, and I'm not exactly great at the single player either.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on April 03, 2012, 11:07:08 PM
COnsidering you JUST started, you're gonna feel like a chump until you upgrade some abilities with your levels.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 04, 2012, 01:02:10 AM
No equipment, no levels, and no experience dealing with the significantly higher powered mp enemies will make you feel sort of outclassed. I recommend leveling up a heavier power using class like sentinel or engineer, something not so weapon dependant. Get a few levels, and you should have no problens dropping bronze mobs with ease. Once you upgrade a few weapons, you can play with different classes where your lack of skill can be compensated with a good weapon. Great guns to play with are the carnifex (arguably the best gun for power heavy classes), the widow and black widow, the geth shotgun, and if you ever obtain it the saber. When it comes to multiplayer, powers become very mandatory, so try to always keep your weight low for the recharge boost.

Alot of people argue what is a better way to spend credits. I personally say avoid veteran packs, spectre packs are far more efficient ways to burn credits, especially since you will generally get at least one uncommon (silver) item and a guaranteed rare (gold) item as well, not to mention 5 of a random consumable item like rockets or medi gels, and generally one level three bonus mission item like ammo or rail amps. If you feel like you're missing out on items, I'd tell you to burn out some credits on recruit packs. You'd be surprised how effective a max level predator or mantis can be at times.

Also, tomorrow you get a victory pack for our success over the weekend promotional event, so you may score something nice there.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Hidoshi on April 04, 2012, 01:15:30 AM
In fact I'm more bummed out by this than anything to do w/ the ending.

It's stuff like this that'll get to me longer. It's seriously one of the most half assed ways to deal with revealing something like this, only way this could've been worse (albeit more hilarious) if they revealed the mask under her mask REALLY IS HER FACE.

In general, ME3 was a huge downgrade from ME2. I played both beside each other and I'm watching the wife replay all three now. Just in general, ME3's storytelling is worse, its graphics are actually overall worse except the environments (holy shit did character models get a downgrade besides Shep), animations are worse, questing is worse, etc etc etc. There are basically only three major improvements in ME3: Upgrading weapons using the bench, the non-stereotype gay option, and the melee controls. Pretty much everything else is worse.

Heck, even the planetary exploration is worse. They kept the WORST aspect: Fuel consumption, and stripped the rest of it bare. There isn't even an option to actually combat Reapers or use evasive maneuvers beyond "GTFO system". No meaningful ship upgrades, a huge reduction in cast to the bare essentials, VERY poor conversation pieces (no cut-to-dialogue-and-expression, just dialogue and flapping mouths makes for VERY awkward quest results), and a general visual downgrade...? Easily the weakest of the trilogy.

The ending, even if it is justified, is hardly the weakest note. It's definitely the one that leaves you with the biggest hole in your stomach because it lacks true, meaningful closure, but it's not the worst thing the game does. Now don't get me wrong, the game is still good, it's just not as good as its companions, and that really stings considering it had the most to build on. Phoned-in crap like Tali's face is just icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 04, 2012, 01:25:36 AM
Anybody read about Jessica Chobot and her comments on twitter? She talks some shit about entitled gamers (wtf is with this word entitled all of a sudden?), and gets a shitstorm of backlash about it, and then apologizes. What a lame bitch. She should have stayed out of the game to begin with, considering she's just eye candy (not even attractive eye candy). What did she think people were gonna think of her in the game when her entire point was to have a quicky with shepard? Then she wants to bitch about how gamers have opinions about games, and then all of a sudden we're entitled? She really needs to get the fuck out of video games. She's as useful as a fox news report.

I really fucking hate Chobot.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on April 04, 2012, 01:36:40 AM
In general, ME3 was a huge downgrade from ME2. I played both beside each other and I'm watching the wife replay all three now. Just in general, ME3's storytelling is worse, its graphics are actually overall worse except the environments (holy shit did character models get a downgrade besides Shep), animations are worse, questing is worse, etc etc etc. There are basically only three major improvements in ME3: Upgrading weapons using the bench, the non-stereotype gay option, and the melee controls. Pretty much everything else is worse.

I'd probably need to replay the games, but I think if it's worse it's not by as much as some series dips. It's still a pretty good game, and isn't completely jarring in contrast to ME2, but I do miss some of the stuff other games had and it just doesn't feel like there's as much to do as either ME1 or 2, especially bad in contrast with ME2 which was basically less filler, more good stuff.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on April 04, 2012, 01:54:46 AM
Don't see how it's worse. There are things it could do better but it's probably the most solid in the series.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 04, 2012, 02:02:27 AM
Don't see how it's worse. There are things it could do better but it's probably the most solid in the series.
It's rare that I'd disagree with you, but I'd give 2 that title.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on April 04, 2012, 02:26:35 AM
1 was the best at world building and exploration.

2 was the most well paced.

3 was the most solid and well-rounded.

Well, that's how my judgments of quality goes with the series anyway.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 04, 2012, 02:43:19 AM
Couple of questions since I want to try this for myself one day:

1. How awesome of a computer do you need to play all 3 games? I don't care about graphic optimization or anything like that. If it's PS2 era quality I'm golden. XD (I don't have the cash to shell out for a 360, or the room space, otherwise I'd just go that route.)

2. If I buy Mass Effect 1/2 on Steam and 3 wherever the heck they're selling it for PC these days; will my saves from Steam carry over to ME 3 despite it not being Steam platform software?

Oh, and as a side note of amusement; I got curious and Amazon'd ME3. 154 One Star reviews, 50 Two Star Reviews; all crying 'ruined forever' (http://www.amazon.com/Mass-Effect-3-Pc/product-reviews/B004FYKWZU/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Hidoshi on April 04, 2012, 02:57:11 AM
1 was the best at world building and exploration.

2 was the most well paced.

3 was the most solid and well-rounded.

Well, that's how my judgments of quality goes with the series anyway.

You sir, are an incredibly poor judge of quality as far as Mass Effect is concerned then. I did read your review, and I haven't seen someone work a dick that hard since Gauge got into porn.

But then, you also ignore arguments that actually poke giant holes in your logic. Hi there FTL theory.

(I am fully aware of how antagonistic this is. I was incredibly ticked off how fanboy you got in your review.)

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Kstar on April 04, 2012, 03:08:07 AM
1 was the best at world building and exploration.

2 was the most well paced.

3 was the most solid and well-rounded.

Well, that's how my judgments of quality goes with the series anyway.

You sir, are an incredibly poor judge of quality as far as Mass Effect is concerned then. I did read your review, and I haven't seen someone work a dick that hard since Gauge got into porn.

But then, you also ignore arguments that actually poke giant holes in your logic. Hi there FTL theory.

(I am fully aware of how antagonistic this is. I was incredibly ticked off how fanboy you got in your review.)



Stop fighting, you're both pretty.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on April 04, 2012, 03:18:10 AM
I haven't seen a hissy fit this epic since Eusis banned Tony.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 04, 2012, 03:33:12 AM
I haven't seen a hissy fit this epic since Eusis banned Tony.
Aahhhh, that was hilarious. He had such a shit fit, good ole DiosGX, lol.

I can't say ME3 is bad, I love it honestly, but I also loved the Super Mario Brothers movie, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, Chowder, Xenosaga, Earthbound, and a number of other movies and games and tv shows that some dislike greatly. My opinion isn't going to change cuz of someone's well worded review, though it may open my eyes to aspects I may have overlooked originally. Hidoshi's 2 cents regarding the game honestly is pretty accurate, even if it sounds like  he wrote it after bioware stabbed his penis with a rusty pair of kabob skewers. Alot of the game left a salty taste in my mouth too, like the terrible TERRIBLE character animations and facial expressions, or lack thereof. I'm no writer here so I'm not going into this further, but you both have a pretty good grasp on what mass effect 3 is, even if each of your appreciation levels
differ greatly.

Anyways, premium spectre packs now up on multiplayer. 2 rares minimum, better chance for N7 super rare, 99000 credits. The victory pack sucked this time, just an equipment pack with an extra ammo. Commendation pack upgraded my valiant, hooray.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on April 04, 2012, 03:33:56 AM
You sir, are an incredibly poor judge of quality as far as Mass Effect is concerned then. I did read your review, and I haven't seen someone work a dick that hard since Gauge got into porn.

But then, you also ignore arguments that actually poke giant holes in your logic. Hi there FTL theory.

(I am fully aware of how antagonistic this is. I was incredibly ticked off how fanboy you got in your review.)
Enough of the unnecessary petty crap.

Zeron - I don't know how good of a PC you need, but you'd need to get ME3 on Origin. Your save should still carry over.

D - Oh I read Chobot's entries. You know the second was only damage control. Note she's far from beaten the game. And if she REALLY wants to talk entitled...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on April 04, 2012, 03:38:29 AM
I don't like Chobot very much, but a lot of gamers today are entitled as hell. It's a buzzword nowadays, but my editorial has already described my beliefs on this quite accurately.

And yes, STeam saves do indeed carry over, as long as they are in the appropriate folder.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 04, 2012, 03:47:44 AM
Jessica Chobot reminds me of Olivia Munn, fucking retarded and only there because boys have penises, except Olivia Munn is hot, and Jessica Chobot looks like an old lady had her body's skin pulled super tight to make it look like she has a nice figure, and uses the excess skin to stuff behind her pants and give her an ass. Seriously, I don't understand why the industry uses women like that, it's fucking obvious she isn't a real video game fan.

We need more people like you, Kyuusei, or Dice, or ....heaven help me Morgan Webb. You ladies LIKE video games. Girls like you should be promoting xbox videos or ign articles. I mean you don't see me advocating pro sports, and I bet money no sportscaster or sports news anchor is not interested in sports. I find it offensive that we get someone like her to even talk to us about video games.

AND HOW THE FUCK COULD SHE DEFEND THE GODDAMN ENDING WHEN SHE HADN'T EVEN SEEN IT WHAT THE FUCK YOU DUMB (glances at word of the week) "BALLOON"?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on April 04, 2012, 03:52:21 AM
I think it's a travesty she's in ME3, but the fact that a shitstorm occurred after she defended the ending (regardless of if she saw it or not) is telling of your average gamer's maturity.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on April 04, 2012, 03:53:41 AM
I agree that some fans feel 'entitled' but man I am getting sick of that word. The original entry just rubbed me the wrong way though.

I don't find her *ugly* in real life, but her character model, wtf was that. I know, you don't have to let her on the Normandy.. and I don't. Even my Paragons won't.

Also, she loves games. Isn't that why she licks PSPs?!

And - it should be noted that she hadn't even beaten the game. If I recall she was nowhere close. It seems silly to me to complain about people being unhappy with the ending when she hasn't seen it herself. Just saying.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on April 04, 2012, 03:56:54 AM
Eh... I mean, you don't have to see the ending to know that some of the reactions are pretty overblown (like taking stuff to the FTC/BBB). Entitled is thrown around too much, but in this case it's apt. Disappointment, I feel, is fine. Some of these people are... well, being really sociopathic about it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on April 04, 2012, 04:00:32 AM
Yeah, her character model is completely awful, but she didn't really seem to look bad in more recent stuff I saw of her. And using entitled so much reminds me of a Kids in the Hall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpxjOn-Tonc) skit.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 04, 2012, 04:07:56 AM
Hell I thought Allers was pretty decent looking compared to Chobot, which is funny because I fi.d miranda terrible looking whilst Yvonne Strahovski is what I dream alll women look like in heaven. Idk if she is an actual game fan, but her lame scripted videos on xbox seem so...forced. She reminds me of Kristen Holt from G4TV. You always had that feeling that she truly hated being nerd bait and hated video games even more, so much feigned enthusiasm. I dunno maybe I'm reading into it too much, but there are many better options than Jessica Chobot oit there in my opinion.

As for this abuse of the word "entitled", it's driving me nuts. 21 fucking years playing video games, and at least 7 of them actively on the internet and following gaming news and such, never did this word appear. All of a sudden, people take a stand about something in a video game and this word appears like a fucking plague. Last time I really looked into it, customer satisfaction was something companies strived for. If you look around a wee bit, customers are far from satisfied, maybe it's not COMPLETELY their fault, hmm? Spoiled, maybe, retarded, sure, but entitled is not a word I'd use to describe gamers

So what'd you guys get in your commendation packs? Also, I hate typing on my phone sometimes...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on April 04, 2012, 04:44:24 AM
Miranda's genetics also mean she's perfectly symmetrical, which comes off as unnatural and creepy. As it should.

Aside from her general daftness (and creepiness - she's going to romance herself? I think we call that narcissism), what bothers me the most is she's a game journo. Who previewed ME3 a week or two for G4 before it was announced she's in the game. Conflict of interest much? On top of that, she couldn't act. At least Felicia Day is an actor and her character was ...I presume more useful (see DA2, assassin DLC).

I didn't play this weekend, so, nothing. Ha. Instead I was wasting time on single player and watching my internet crap out. I'm at the end for the second time.
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Halfway through London and saying goodbyes. This part is painful, especially with your LI. JHale sounded like she was going to cry when talking to romanced!Garrus. D: ARE THEY ALL LIKE THIS?! And now I don't even know if I want to finish the game after that.

/weepy female :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 04, 2012, 12:53:04 PM
So has any word been given regarding some final fantasy crossover stuff to mass effect? Hell, what about different scenarios in multiplayer? I like the mp and all, but you can only fight reapers on firebase dagger so many times before it gets old.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on April 04, 2012, 01:14:54 PM
The MP is fun but I don't think they thought it'd be something w/ the staying power of Reach or something. I probably put a good 15 hours or so into it and had a ton of fun. I'd like to beat all the gold levels but I doubt I'll put in the hours to get creds to get better gear, etc.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 04, 2012, 01:59:01 PM
The MP is fun but I don't think they thought it'd be something w/ the staying power of Reach or something. I probably put a good 15 hours or so into it and had a ton of fun. I'd like to beat all the gold levels but I doubt I'll put in the hours to get creds to get better gear, etc.


Better gear isn't that serious, just helps when you're in a bad situation or a heavy weapon user. If you really want to beat gold, pick an enemy you are comfortable fighting, like geth, then pick classes that have an edge against them, like quarian infiltrator and salarian engineer. Sabotage and decoy are awesome against geth. Weaponry will barely be an issue.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: DPB on April 04, 2012, 02:37:13 PM
I've played a few hours of MP now, and it could really do with a few more maps, preferably at least 2 per sector instead of just one. I'd also like to be able to set which objectives you get when creating a game, I prefer it when you have things to do other than just fighting 10 consecutive waves. And in an ideal world I'd like a no-Banshee mode, I really hate those things.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 04, 2012, 04:08:34 PM
Banshees suck and all, but they are manageable so long as you have control of the area around them. Otherwise, marauders pincer you and fuck up your cover, leaving you open and probably finger fucked. Personally, I'd like to see the geth reworked. Hunters break all logic, hit em with sabotage and they shrug it off, shoot em in the head and the cloak stays on, aim overload right at them and it veers off to a closer target. Plus primes love throwing that turret behind you before you know about it and it rapes you dead. Personally, I'd like more enemies but lighter defense on their end. It's ridiculous that weapons do so little damage even on headshots. Gimme double the enemies on gold but give them silver health, makes for more hectic battles if you ask me. 1 super annoying enemy who can hurt you is less threatening than 2 weaker enemies who can hurt you twice as much.

I remember one of my gold runs was cerberus, and on wave 11, all I saw was a stream of 6 phantoms running up the walkway to the landing pad on firebase white. MAN that was not cool.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on April 04, 2012, 08:32:40 PM
I love the balancing. IMHO it's great except for the ravagers and the banshees. Ravagers guns create a new anus and the Banshee barrier takes a bit too long to take down.


That last battle w/ the banshees in the main game was terrifying.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on April 04, 2012, 08:35:16 PM
I definitely agree with your assessment of the general strengths of each game, Ash. I think they're all fantastic, and I thought the combat in 3 was far and away the best in the series. I may not have scored the game as high as you did (probably mid-90's, if I had reviewed it), and I don't agree with your interpretation of the ending, but I definitely think your review text was true to how I felt about the game.

And I also agree that the word entitled is being thrown around too much. It's being used to label people who are being completely mature and reasonable in their critique of the ending. There are certainly some people who are showing what tools they can be, but I think there are plenty of measured voices on both sides that are equally entitled to have their opinions.

What legitimately disappoints me is that nowhere on the internet can you bring this game up-- to talk about absolutely any aspect of it-- without some dickbag commenting with 'OMG THIS GAME IS SUCH SHIT FUCK BIOWARE THEY ARE THE REINCARNATION OF NAZIS, HOLY SHIT THE ENDING WAS SO BAD OH MY GOD' and it devolving into an idiotic shitstorm. I've seen it happen on tons of articles (many of which don't even have anything to do with the ending), and it's sad. Sometimes I just want to discuss this game without talking about the ending or "how evil EA has made Bioware." Damn stupid internets.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on April 04, 2012, 09:06:24 PM
The problem is that the vocal few have tainted the image of those who are reasonable. Much like how the few crackpots in the Occupy Wall Street movement destroyed their credibility or Republican GOP nominees make their party out to be a bunch of sociopaths, those representing (or thought to represent) people who dislike the ending act like petulant children and damage the overall message with their blather.

And yeah, Stephen, I agree. I've had more than a few cases where I'm talking to someone about ME3 and what parts we liked and some moron comes and runs his mouth like a douche. This has happened countless times on the internet and ONCE IN REAL LIFE. Holy shit, people are insane.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 04, 2012, 09:06:53 PM
I love the balancing. IMHO it's great except for the ravagers and the banshees. Ravagers guns create a new anus and the Banshee barrier takes a bit too long to take down.


That last battle w/ the banshees in the main game was terrifying.
Oh I have absolutely no problem with the main game, everything flows fine. It's when I have to dump an entire revenant clip into an assault trooper on silver that I get annoyed. Otherwise, carry on. Wait, scratch that, fix the damn falcon's bullet firing.

Anyone rocking tonight by any chance? I got work early tomorrow, but I'll be on for a small while in a few minutes for mp
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on April 05, 2012, 12:45:57 PM
Mass Effect 3 - Extended Cut (aka Free Epilogue DLC)

http://blog.bioware.com/2012/04/05/mass-effect-3-extended-cut/
http://investor.ea.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=662095

Quote
> What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?
For fans who want more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of Commander Shepard’s journey.

> Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

> What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.

> When will the Extended Cut DLC be available?
Currently the Extended Cut DLC is planned for this summer, no specific date has been announced at this point.

> Why are you releasing the Extended Cut DLC?
Though we remain committed and are proud of the artistic choices we made in the main game, we are aware that there are some fans who would like more closure to Mass Effect 3. The goal of the DLC is not to provide a new ending to the game, rather to offer fans additional context and answers to the end of Commander Shepard’s story.


So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding.

***

I like this little bit here: * OFFER EXPIRES APRIL 12, 2014.

So two years later, whoever decides to play the whole series for the first time will have to pay for an epilogue? Yeah...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on April 05, 2012, 01:50:43 PM
I'm glad they're not only NOT changing the ending despite how much I don't like it, but actually clarifying things which is all I wanted. And, it's free.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on April 05, 2012, 06:34:59 PM
Anyone follow bioware on facebook? Every time they post something a million nerdholes cry out in rage.

Sometimes I think that the internet should be taken away from people
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on April 05, 2012, 08:15:33 PM
Yeah, it's getting worse than the Namco Facebook page, and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on April 06, 2012, 04:21:44 PM
New free stuff for MP next week.

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2012/1331.html

Krogan vanguard. I need this.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Cyril on April 06, 2012, 04:25:23 PM
Yeah, it's getting worse than the Namco Facebook page, and that's saying something.

Do they whine about Tales localizations?  Because that's what happens in every Namco article on other sites.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on April 06, 2012, 04:31:52 PM
^ Do they ever. Tales games that are localized, Tales games that they want localized...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on April 06, 2012, 05:00:11 PM
Well, now it's .hack idiots doing the spamming. Tales fans have backed off for now due to Abyss and Graces f being released.

Did anyone else notice that the armor for the characters were all red, green, and blue? BioWare be trollin'...

But anyway, KROGAN VANGUARD, THE COMBINATION OF MY TWO LOVES: BIOTIC CHARGE AND KROGANS.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on April 06, 2012, 07:18:56 PM
Ash: Yes to all of the above.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 08, 2012, 05:34:32 PM
ME3: Extended Cut DLC Preview & Discussion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai_9LTcwYic)

Watching this makes me almost glad that I didn't get into Mass Effect.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on April 08, 2012, 06:24:24 PM
This guy whines way too much. Seriously "ARGHRGHHG FREE STUFF THEY SUCK AIURHAI(#*"
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Farron on April 08, 2012, 08:11:42 PM
I just beat Mass Effect 3.
Since it took me a lot longer than most people I tried to stay away from as much as possible so I wouldn't have anything ruined.

So, about the ending:
Quote

I understand some people (or should I say a lot) are angry with the ending, mainly for a lack of resolution.

As for me, I honestly liked it. Sure, with the Mass Relays destroyed the civilizations won't probably see each other for a long time but I think the ending was about rebuilding what the reapers destroyed, so no better way than starting from scratch.

For the game itself, not better than ME2 but still really good. I won't go far right now as I digest the ending I may write a review for it, if anything to at least put my thought in order.

Anyway, did people here hate the ending as much as "the internet" or is it just over reacting?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on April 08, 2012, 08:33:40 PM
Most people here dislike the ending, can admit it has some good points, but ultimately think it's executed poorly and are disappointed in it, while looking forward to the extended version. At the risk of looking shameless and self-promoting, I already put my thoughts into word (http://www.leyviur.net/?p=244) earlier in the thread. The tl;dr version is that it was conceptually sound but executed incredibly badly, also people need to stop having sperg shit fits over video games.

Honestly, like Stephen said earlier, you can't go anywhere or talk about Mass Effect 3 without having some idiot jumping in to talk about the ending and invoking Godwin's Law, because they jump at every opportunity to broadcast their prepubescent wrath.

A: "So what did you think about the whole Krogan storyline?"
B: "I thought it was really well executed and showed a facet to Krogan civilization we never saw bef--"
C: "THE ENDING FUCKING SUCKS AND BIOWARE IS A BUNCH OF NAZIS. ALSO YOU GUYS ARE RETARDS FOR LIKING MASS EFFECT 3"
A: "Ooookay. We'll be leaving now."

Paraphrased from a real life encounter at GameStop.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 08, 2012, 09:51:22 PM
It's sad that idiots base their entire experience of the game on the ending. I have gotten nearly 2 weeks of full multiplayer enjoyment out of it, making it well worth the purchase. The storyline was still very well written, and very emotionally moving (at least on the paragon side). I won't lie, I choked a bit on the final garrus conversation, shit hit you hard. So the last 15 minutes were weak, it's not the worst thing ever. The game still retains an enjoyment factor well beyond the 15 shitfest at the end.

On a more upbeat note, anyone else hoping for boss fight multiplayer dlc? Like maybe a super atlas that's like 40 feet tall, with super shields and armor? I'm hoping for something like that, cuz man, the simple waves are getting boring.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on April 08, 2012, 11:03:54 PM
Most people here dislike the ending, can admit it has some good points, but ultimately think it's executed poorly and are disappointed in it, while looking forward to the extended version.

This applies to me, as well as being glad they're not outright changing the ending. And definitely NOT letting it ruin the whole game or series for me.

Also... someone here's been romancing Garrus. Besides me that is. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on April 08, 2012, 11:15:47 PM
It DOES kill my desire to replay, but that's really only half the equation, the other half is how relatively little REALLY changes. Still, I'd like to see some of the replacement characters, sounds like Mordin's has some fantastic moments of his own. Though, it also doesn't help I really haven't been big into replaying anyway.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: (Tunnels) on April 08, 2012, 11:20:12 PM
I just finished the game myself and actually thought the ending was okay. Didn't love it, didn't hate it. But I'm with the last few posters; even if I thought the ending was worthless, it does not demean the hours of emotional high-points and involving story that came before. I played ME3 for the characters more so than any other aspect, and I feel very satisfied with how the characters were treated in the game. Sure, I'd like some sort of denouement and/or epilogue, but honest to god I was moved more in ME3 than in any other game I played, even in the ending. Persona 3 was the last game I beat where I wasn't ready to say good-bye to the characters, but ME3 has provoked a stronger response out of me than P3 did. I know, I'm a total fanboy about ME, but I loved this game and the series as a whole and I'm wondering when it'll be before I play a game where I give as much of a shit about the characters as I did in ME3. :/
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Cyril on April 09, 2012, 12:10:23 AM
It DOES kill my desire to replay, but that's really only half the equation, the other half is how relatively little REALLY changes. Still, I'd like to see some of the replacement characters, sounds like Mordin's has some fantastic moments of his own.

I agree with this.  I was actually thinking about replaying the whole series before ME3 came out so I can see what my decisions did and, honestly, now that I've finished it. . .well, let's just say my ME1 box is sitting over there, disk inside.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Aurian on April 09, 2012, 11:01:58 AM

Also... someone here's been romancing Garrus. Besides me that is. :P

Who WOULDN"T want to romance Garrus? <3
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on April 09, 2012, 11:15:15 AM
ME3: Extended Cut DLC Preview & Discussion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai_9LTcwYic)

Watching this makes me almost glad that I didn't get into Mass Effect.

Your loss. Missing out on 100s of hours of great gameplay.

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17j2lh9k2hppijpg/original.jpg)

I'm going to get +1 this outfit
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Farron on April 09, 2012, 04:54:01 PM
Most people here dislike the ending, can admit it has some good points, but ultimately think it's executed poorly and are disappointed in it, while looking forward to the extended version. At the risk of looking shameless and self-promoting, I already put my thoughts into word (http://www.leyviur.net/?p=244) earlier in the thread. The tl;dr version is that it was conceptually sound but executed incredibly badly, also people need to stop having sperg shit fits over video games.

Honestly, like Stephen said earlier, you can't go anywhere or talk about Mass Effect 3 without having some idiot jumping in to talk about the ending and invoking Godwin's Law, because they jump at every opportunity to broadcast their prepubescent wrath.

I liked "your thoughts" quite a lot.

I'm not that kind of person that when I reach the ending of a game, movie, books or whatever other story telling method, and if I don't like it I rage and say everything is crap. Quite the opposite, I see all the good things (especially if it was good) and I take the best out of it.
On the other side I don't consider myself critical enough to analyze something like an ending out of the blue (about just as the credits roll). I do need sometime to think it through but I will probably make my opinion at the time and then expand on it.

What I do take in to account is sometimes the great stuff people come up to explain some areas of a story or in this case the ending. The Indocrination theory for me makes a nice, okay ending with plot holes which I can overlook into as amazing and brilliant ending. The thing is I don't think many people (especially younger gamers) are as lenient as me to see a "weird" ending and be okay with it.

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Let's say the Indocrination theory is right. Sheppard imagines all the ending in his head, the reapers are winning and he is almost dead.
The thing that could have happened is perhaps mores clue to understand what truly happened. At least that if Bioware doesn't want to give the ending on a platter to everyone.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on April 09, 2012, 05:53:30 PM
ME3: Extended Cut DLC Preview & Discussion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai_9LTcwYic)

Watching this makes me almost glad that I didn't get into Mass Effect.

What a cry-ass.  I'll take a clarification of Mass Effect 3's shitty Fable 2 ending over listening to this big-mouthed pleather-jacket wearing toolbag that spikes his hair like a freshman in high school any day of the week.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 09, 2012, 07:10:50 PM
ME3: Extended Cut DLC Preview & Discussion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai_9LTcwYic)

Watching this makes me almost glad that I didn't get into Mass Effect.

What a cry-ass.  I'll take a clarification of Mass Effect 3's shitty Fable 2 ending over listening to this big-mouthed pleather-jacket wearing toolbag that spikes his hair like a freshman in high school any day of the week.
Yeah! Doesn't he know pleather is so not fashionable!?

New classes tomorrow wahoo. Looking forward to krogan vanRAPEYOURASSHOLEguard.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 09, 2012, 07:55:44 PM
Your loss. Missing out on 100s of hours of great gameplay.

Hey. I said almost, and besides is not for the ending that I still haven't got into the games yet.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 09, 2012, 11:18:40 PM
Your loss. Missing out on 100s of hours of great gameplay.

Hey. I said almost, and besides is not for the ending that I still haven't got into the games yet.
You haven't played the mass effect games, yet you played ffxiii-2?

Go play mass effect!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 10, 2012, 01:14:27 AM
I should have played Mass Effect 2 last year but I got into Demon's Souls and Deus Ex: Human Revolution months before Dark Souls came out, and I put easily more than 200+ hours on each game and probably more than 80+ on DX:HR with the DLC. And I'm not mentioning the other few games I played too. :p

In short, too many games got in the way of remind me about ME. Though I'm probably going to play ME2 and 3 on my PS3 soon since there's not many games I care about this year overall but I dunno when.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on April 10, 2012, 06:57:08 PM
SO the Resurgence Pack went up.

DO NOT buy it, as they're charging for it and are trying to fix the issue so that it's free.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 10, 2012, 08:44:09 PM
Krogan Battlemaster get!

Slowest fucking turd in the galaxy, but it's hard to kill him. Harder than a sentinel by far if you specialize in defensive builds. Also, he's bugged sort of, when you blow up your barrier, if you're in cover, your body spins irregularly, like it's not attached.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on April 11, 2012, 01:20:15 PM
Got a geth engineer on my first try. I died a lot as him, but it's a lot of fun. He's got this power - an alternate HUD that let's you see enemies in red even through walls and obstructions, and the heavy melee is awesome. Kind of like asari vanguard, just, you know, not biotics.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: DPB on April 11, 2012, 02:14:48 PM
After spending about 5 or 6 spectre packs I finally unlocked the harpoon gun (and still none of the new characters!) and then failed miserably. It's probably great in the hands of a skilled sniper, but it takes a long time to charge and the projectile is really slow - most of the time the enemy either moves out of the way of my shot or someone else takes them out before me.

I got the Striker too, which is more like my kind of weapon - an automatic grenade launcher, with very little accuracy required.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 11, 2012, 04:27:53 PM
After spending about 5 or 6 spectre packs I finally unlocked the harpoon gun (and still none of the new characters!) and then failed miserably. It's probably great in the hands of a skilled sniper, but it takes a long time to charge and the projectile is really slow - most of the time the enemy either moves out of the way of my shot or someone else takes them out before me.

I got the Striker too, which is more like my kind of weapon - an automatic grenade launcher, with very little accuracy required.
Yeah, the striker is pretty cool....til you realize that the damage output is garbage on gold. I'm pretty much at the point that no assault rifle is worth using on gold anymore, short of a falcon for a purely defensive standpoint, and even then, it still sucks. Personally, I use the talon, the widow and valiant, the geth plasma shotgun, and my newly aquired carnifex.

Carnifex is fuckwin, if you haven't used it yet, you aren't playing correctly.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on April 11, 2012, 04:31:50 PM
Caniflex is the ONLY good thing I've gotten in an probably a dozen specter and specter + packs. Everytime I save up and get a pack it seems like I get the shaft.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: John on April 11, 2012, 04:33:28 PM
Carnifex is fuckwin, if you haven't used it yet, you aren't playing correctly.

Sorry, no.  I have a N7 Paladin.

The Carnifex is crap compared to it.

Who cares if it only has 21 bullets?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: DPB on April 11, 2012, 04:43:48 PM
I've bought plenty of spectre packs and I still haven't unlocked a decent pistol. Most of my best weapons are shotguns, which I never use since I'm bad at close combat.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on April 11, 2012, 05:34:38 PM
I have six shotguns. Apparently ME3 has caught on that I love shotguns. (The spike thrower is fucking AWESOME.) The rest of my MP weapon inventory is kinda crap though. I did unlock the harpoon alongside the geth though, and it's great. Gotta agree though, I kinda suck at sniper rifles and it would be even better with someone who can actually use them well. Lulz.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 11, 2012, 05:47:06 PM
Carnifex is fuckwin, if you haven't used it yet, you aren't playing correctly.

Sorry, no.  I have a N7 Paladin.

The Carnifex is crap compared to it.

Who cares if it only has 21 bullets?
That's not fair, paladin is super carnifex.

@people who dislike sniper rifles. This game isn't terribly sniper friendly. Most maps are too small, lots of cover, and very few enemies that stand still. It's doable, but any real sniper friendly game (halo anyone?) will tell you that mass effect is no such thing. You gotta be aggressive and abusive, otherwise you just get smacked by an asshole with an assault rifle. Btw, enemy assault rifles hurt....why do our rifles suck.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: ZeronHitaro on April 12, 2012, 08:04:28 AM
Remember that complaint a fan filed to the BBB?

They took it seriously; and agree with it. (http://kotaku.com/5900991/the-better-business-bureau-says-yes-mass-effect-3-was-falsely-advertised) (Note: But as of yet aren't really doing anything than wagging their finger. )
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 12, 2012, 09:30:13 AM
Remember that complaint a fan filed to the BBB?

They took it seriously; and agree with it. (http://kotaku.com/5900991/the-better-business-bureau-says-yes-mass-effect-3-was-falsely-advertised) (Note: But as of yet aren't really doing anything than wagging their finger. )
So basically, it's okay to falsely advertise as long as other people still like it?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Farron on April 12, 2012, 11:00:43 PM
So after a few days I finally put my thoughts about the game into words on my review that happened to more just as much an opinion about the ending. (http://mayonakareviews.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/mass-effect-3-review-and-endgame-thoughts-with-spoilers/)

Even if something has an ending that might be somewhat disappointing I still it hardly make a really good thing into a bad one automatically. So it is clear I liked the game but of course it is never that simple.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on April 13, 2012, 03:26:53 PM
Got a krogan battlemaster vanguard. Lessons learned: Never use actual money/XBLA points on packs. I only bought one, but man, it really wasn't worth it. Not even on a premium spectre pack. The second one I bought was with ingame credits and voila, krogan. (Same with my geth.) Which brings me to my second lesson: Never try to learn a new character on Silver. WHOOPS.

He's still badass regardless.

Say, 360 users. Noticing lag issues? I did. Also Vanguard + Firebase-whatever-the-Tuchanka-map-is-called still causes me to glitch out hardcore.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 13, 2012, 06:35:18 PM
Got a krogan battlemaster vanguard. Lessons learned: Never use actual money/XBLA points on packs. I only bought one, but man, it really wasn't worth it. Not even on a premium spectre pack. The second one I bought was with ingame credits and voila, krogan. (Same with my geth.) Which brings me to my second lesson: Never try to learn a new character on Silver. WHOOPS.

He's still badass regardless.

Say, 360 users. Noticing lag issues? I did. Also Vanguard + Firebase-whatever-the-Tuchanka-map-is-called still causes me to glitch out hardcore.
If it's while playing vanguard, you probably charged while getting killed or hopiing over cover. I get it alot. Also, if you want an indestructible menace, level up your battlemaster for pure damage taking. He gets 1600 health and shields, 30% damage reduction while raged, and if you bring barrier up defensively, another 30% on top of that. Add to that full shileds from biotic charge, and you have serious difficulty dying. Just uh...don't get silly at brutes, banshees, atlases (atli?), and phantoms. They still kill you in one shot.

If any of you still haven't attempted a gold run, I can make a suggestion for a RELATIVELY easy run. Have at least one salarian engineer and preferably one quarian infiltrator. Pick firebase white and geth. The other 2 classes can be essentially anything, but don't pick something lame and new as you still need to kill stuff, plus the always infuriating objective rounds. The plan is to staybasically at the opposite end of the map from where you start at the landing pad. There are two counters you can stand behind for cover, do so, especially with the salarian engineer behind the counter closer to the landing pad side entrance. Just have your engineer keep decoy up in the small pathway between the counter and the single counter directly ahead before the stairs. The decoy will literally keep every geth minus a few strays and the occasional flank from a single unit in check. Abuse them, and if you brought a quarian infiltrator, use them to sabotage the primes and pyros. Pyros are the preffered sabotage targets as they will actually kill useful stuff, primes tend to summon a combat drone and then just kill it. Retarded mechanics, hooray. Doing this usually makes for very easy gold runs and an easy 74k credits a run, as long as you can beat the objective missions (good luck on hack uploads). Geth are very susceptible to decoy, so abuse it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on April 16, 2012, 02:34:25 PM
I love the groovy tunes that play in the Captains Cabin.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 18, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
So it seems like multiplayer has quickly begun to die down now. Shame too, I really was having fun.

I sort of hope they make a semi-spinoff of mass effect that's coop missions online, similar to what we have now, but more in depth missions, like splitting up to take down a target reaper, or finding a cerberus weapons cache and destroying it, maybe some scouting missions where we would observe a group of geth in action creating a weapon and being given an option to destroy it, steal it, or simply rig it to explode and backfire on them. I love the simple "destroy enemies" shit we have right now, but it could be so much more. I eagerly await new content for the game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on April 18, 2012, 09:47:45 PM
D, I'd wager the next game in the MEverse will be something like that.

Though I want my futuristic galaxy-hopping detective game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 19, 2012, 09:27:56 AM
D, I'd wager the next game in the MEverse will be something like that.

Though I want my futuristic galaxy-hopping detective game.
Where in space is Carmen Sandiego?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on April 24, 2012, 04:38:43 AM
I finally completed the game and saw the ending. I've played many, many games and have never witnessed something so messed up. Incoming wall of text. SPOILERS.

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I don't know what they wanted to do with the ending. Was it meant to be deep, poetical? We don't have enough context to make a sensible choice. It's like shooting in the dark. Casper explains nothing. What is he, anyway? God? Because he sure sounds like it.

About the choices, they were all crap.

Syntehsis - How can people be changed in a atomic level and in such a huge scale? Space magic much? According to the leaked script, this was probably the "Be one with the Reapers".
Control - So Shepard will control the Reapers, right? But Casper says she will die. So how does it work? She'll be stuck there and be the next Casper?
Destroy - Alright, I made the geth and quarian play nice, EDI is a example of synthetic living in harmony with organics. Why do I have to destroy them? Why couldn't Shepard argue with Casper?

I ended up going with Destroy, as much as I hate it. It's the less illogical one. At least Casper went down too.

The Normandy flying elsewhere in the middle of the fight, the jungle planet, Garrus being onboard when he was with me on Earth and the stargazer were a total WTF. "Tell me more about THE SHEPARD" Yeah, right. Tell me more about this ending because I can't make sense out of it.

To top it all, in my game Shepard did a gasp. I guess this was the "bonus" people were mentioning. Now could someone explain how Shepard could still be alive? She was hit by a laser, shot, the tube blew up on her face, the Citadel exploded and crashed on Earth. Who can take so much punishment? Not to mention that since I took Destroy, she should have dropped dead instantaneously.

The game would heavily benefit from a well done epilogue because, as it is, there is no closure. We know there is one in the works, but if it will explain things and conclude the trilogy or fuck it even more is yet to be seen.

tl;dr The Extended Cut has a lot of explaining to do. Speculations, speculations everywhere.

Now, as Shepard likes to say, "I should go".
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 24, 2012, 09:37:53 AM
Welcome to THE EXACT SAME THING everyone else said a month ago. Talk about being late to the party.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on April 24, 2012, 10:01:11 AM
Ha, I know! Unfortunately I had to import the CE and it took forever to arrive.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: John on April 24, 2012, 10:06:09 AM
Welcome to THE EXACT SAME THING everyone else said a month ago. Talk about being late to the party.

Talk about being a giant asshole.  Guess what, dude, people play games at different rates than you.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 24, 2012, 06:07:39 PM
Ah cmon, I meant it more sarcastically than anything. Besides, I'm pretty sure someone actually used the same wording he did regarding the ending. It's just....so exact. You can't honestly tell me you didn't think the same thing when you read his opinion.

...Actually, didn't you say something like this regarding the ending too, John?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on April 24, 2012, 07:21:56 PM
Ah cmon, I meant it more sarcastically than anything. Besides, I'm pretty sure someone actually used the same wording he did regarding the ending. It's just....so exact. You can't honestly tell me you didn't think the same thing when you read his opinion.

...Actually, didn't you say something like this regarding the ending too, John?

John's not talking about the guy's reaction to the ending, he's saying don't hassle the guy because he's late to the party. That's not cool. Not everyone can get on this stuff right away. And I actually DIDN'T think the same thing. I thought "Oh good, another person who agrees with me. Awesome!"
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 24, 2012, 09:39:23 PM
*grumblegrumble*people got no sense of humor*grumble*

Sorry draak, was only busting chops. Can we be fwends again?

:)
(it's sarcasm only in a humorous manner, I sincerley wasn't aiming to piss anyone off, it was all meant in good fun, which draak actually seemed to accept based on his reply)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on April 24, 2012, 10:09:55 PM
You do realise that sarcasm translates pretty poorly in text, right? Just checking. ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 24, 2012, 10:26:17 PM
You do realise that sarcasm translates pretty poorly in text, right? Just checking. ;)
Everyone's a critic.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on April 24, 2012, 10:30:50 PM
Chill out, guys.

@ Back on topic

MP is surprisingly fun, even with random disconnects. I lucked out and got an Asari Adept in a veteran pack, so I've been basically setting up biotic detonations everywhere. Got a Batarian in our group and the heavy melee reminds me so much of a falcon punch.

Now to get that Salarian Engineer...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 24, 2012, 10:41:11 PM
Chill out, guys.

@ Back on topic

MP is surprisingly fun, even with random disconnects. I lucked out and got an Asari Adept in a veteran pack, so I've been basically setting up biotic detonations everywhere. Got a Batarian in our group and the heavy melee reminds me so much of a falcon punch.

Now to get that Salarian Engineer...
What do you spend credits on? Generally, your best bet is to nab spectre packs and pray for a good buy. Also, salarian engineer is the best meatshield ever. Decoy fucking owns.

Geth Infiltrator is pretty crack, just know that small stages are your enemy. You wanna be shooting before anything is close enough to hit you. Otherwise, hunter mode will get you killed.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: DPB on April 25, 2012, 07:37:22 AM
Geth Infiltrator is pretty crack, just know that small stages are your enemy. You wanna be shooting before anything is close enough to hit you. Otherwise, hunter mode will get you killed.

The shield reduction from hunter mode is actually not too bad, since apparently it only affects your base shields - the increases you get from putting points into advanced hardware aren't reduced by it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 25, 2012, 10:07:59 AM
Geth Infiltrator is pretty crack, just know that small stages are your enemy. You wanna be shooting before anything is close enough to hit you. Otherwise, hunter mode will get you killed.

The shield reduction from hunter mode is actually not too bad, since apparently it only affects your base shields - the increases you get from putting points into advanced hardware aren't reduced by it.
Yes, but my point still stands. If you're close to enemies, that small shiled reductiom could mean the difference between making it to cover or convulsing on the floor waiting for a res. Course, hunter mode could save you from turning a corner into a shitfest of enemies. It haa its ups and downs.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on April 25, 2012, 01:40:44 PM
This weekend:

http://blog.bioware.com/2012/04/25/operation-exorcist/

1) Kill lots of Phantoms,
2) Extract on Gold.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: DPB on April 25, 2012, 06:38:57 PM
I haven't even touched gold yet, though silver isn't that hard as long I stick to my trusty Geth Infiltrator. I remember thinking even bronze was tough a few weeks ago, and now it feels incredibly easy. How much of a leap up is gold from silver?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 25, 2012, 06:44:52 PM
Super enemies start on wave 3, they take more damage, deal more damage, are more aggressive, and in larger numbers. Expect no less than 6 Phantoms on an extraction round of gold cerberus, nevermind the atluses (atli?). Geth are really fun, they throw hunters at you all day long, which are arguably more annoying than anything else outside of primes, and even then, primes are fewer in number.

For anyone that hasn't done gold yet, decoy got nerfed a bit, so have fun now.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: DPB on April 28, 2012, 09:28:29 PM
Made a couple of attempts on gold. The first ended disastrously, with the whole team executed by phantoms on wave 6 in Firebase Dagger, so I decided to do it the easy way (White/Geth/Gold). It was surprisingly simple - even with no communication everyone knew what they were doing, and aside from the objectives we just hid in the corner of the room at the bottom of the map spamming powers while the Salarian put decoy up.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Prime Mover on April 30, 2012, 04:28:39 PM
Finally beat ME3 yesterday (late to the party, I know... playing FFXII-2). Enjoyed the game, don't understand all the hate against the ending (c'mon, I can name countless games with far worse endings!). I'm not bothered by the Tali reveal, and she's still the greatest character in the series, IMO. Overall, not as amazing as ME2, but probably not for the same reasons people are saying.

My biggest gripe with the game is the move back to centralization. I loved ME2s decentralized feel, you have a number of different "home bases", that you get to play around in. Omega was especially cool, but the Asari merchant planet was breathtaking, and there were a few other smaller ones too. The citidel got old, I wanted more varried community locales. On the same note, I wish they had changed things up a little more from ME2. For instance, I liked the concept behind the Mako driving sections in ME1, but agree that they were poorly executed. I was hoping they'd have something a little similar in ME3, but maybe with the Kodiak's... instead of just the boring planet scans. Too many of the side missions were just planet scans, instead of raiding bases or rescuing people, it made the game feel rushed out the door.

That said, I enjoyed the experience. Not GOTY material like ME2, but great none-the-less. And *GASP* I'm okay with the ending as is, I know I'm in the extreme minority, but I actually think it fits with a lot of the themes of the series. Well, at least it was a hell of a lot better than the ending of Fallout 3, but I know that's not saying much.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on April 30, 2012, 04:52:41 PM
Where have I read this before....?

Jk, prime (I learnt my lesson, obvious sarcasm is now obvious).


In other news, did not participate in this weekend's event yet. Gonna try to get a run done now, but meh, don't have much urge to play anymore.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on April 30, 2012, 05:21:17 PM
I wonder how the ending DLC will...play

Will there be any gameplay or is it just movie?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on May 01, 2012, 11:12:19 PM
I'm okay with the ending as is, I know I'm in the extreme minority, but I actually think it fits with a lot of the themes of the series. Well, at least it was a hell of a lot better than the ending of Fallout 3, but I know that's not saying much.
I agree.

I mean, a lot of people want explanations for EVERYTHING, but honestly, is it so important that we know the origins of the Reapers? Will that make them more terrifying or better villains?

If Ridley Scott had described in detail the origins of the aliens from the Alien series? I mean, we know it's fearsome and powerful, that's what makes it horrifying, but does knowing its entire backstory add or detract from the overall experience? Would a movie like The Thing be better if we were shown which of the two characters that survived was the actual Thing and learned how it replicated and how the contagion was spread? Some things are better kept as a mystery, which is a literary technique that seems to be lost on many people nowadays. No imagination whatsoever.

Also, it really weirds me out when people try to use Mass Effect 3's ending on other movies/games/books to outline how 'ridiculous' it is. I can do the same thing for anything. Watch this shit:

- Shepard tries to drive the Citadel into the sun. The Illusive man chops off Shepard's arm and then takes control himself but ends up piloting it into the sun anyway by accident. Everyone escapes, the Reapers blow up, and everyone gets medals.

- Shepard crawls through the Citadel's vents and to freedom, runs away, and lives a life of peace on a fringe planet making boats and running a hotel.

- The Catalyst tells Shepard to travel to the core of the Catalyst. There, he finds the Statue of Liberty, falls to his knees, and damns us all to hell.

- Shepard is too late and the Reapers destroy everything. The Catalyst talks to Shepard. Shepard says "Catalyst, this may be the start of a beautiful friendship." Fade to black.

I can see people having problems with the ending, but GOddamn are some of the complaints stupid.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on May 02, 2012, 12:27:23 AM
Ashton, what's that last example you used?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on May 02, 2012, 12:56:59 AM
Dude, that was the easiest one: Casablanca. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on May 02, 2012, 01:35:28 AM
Well, I don't think you need to know EVERYTHING, and what was revealed in the game or would've been revealed in the scrapped plans was enough, but the Reapers are kind of set up in a way you WANT to know more, or so I thought. Why would machines keep wiping out life on a reliable 50,000 year schedule? What is their purpose that leaves them so confident we can't comprehend? And why is it they need to assimilate other races? I think they were made personable just enough that some answers ARE expected, if they were more terrifying and alien as the xenomorphs or, hell, the space monsters in Gunbuster I think you could get away with no explanation, but here you needed at least as much as the games provided.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on May 02, 2012, 01:52:21 AM
I didn't want everything explained and absolute, complete closure necessarily, but more than what we got would have been nice. I'm still hoping the ending DLC will explain something, anything... but who the hell knows.

Really, I liked the hints at dark energy that were made back in ME2. I thought that would play more of a role (aside from, well, biotics!), and I think they'd meant to go with that but scrapped that for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on May 02, 2012, 07:14:40 AM
For a series that always tried to explain everything, the way it ended is unexpected. It's specially the space magic bit that makes little sense in a universe considered to be "hard sci-fi". It felt out of place.


MP news: Finally got the Salarian Engineer. So good.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on May 11, 2012, 12:57:48 AM
Mp stuff for the weekend, kill 3 million banshees (it was inevitable).

New mp classes soon too. Vorcha imminent.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on May 11, 2012, 02:26:19 AM
And another 'extract on gold' challenge, too.

I want to play as a vorcha and hiss at everyone. But I want a flamethrower damnit.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on May 28, 2012, 02:16:34 PM
Patch this week

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/12276459

And some more MP DLC coming this week too (my vorcha dreams are answered):

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2012/1501.html

Oooh, they're fixing that vanguard glitch that keeps fucking me over. Finally.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on May 28, 2012, 10:27:49 PM
Haven't played in like three weeks. My regular guys stopped playing, so I did as well. Maybe I'll hop on for some rebellion items, but idk. Anyone down for some missions during the weekend coming up?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on May 28, 2012, 10:51:47 PM
Probably not til I get back from LA/E3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on May 29, 2012, 02:23:13 AM
Probably not til I get back from LA/E3.
/jealous
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Aurian on May 30, 2012, 09:20:51 PM
Already did a replay of Mass Effect 1 and 2 and am holding off on my replay of 3 until the story DLC is done. *twiddles thumbs*
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on May 30, 2012, 10:38:09 PM
So I fiddled with rebellion stuff. No luck on packs, but the thessia map and the new objective missions were fairly decent. It also seems like my battlemaster takes way more punishment now, I was pleased by that. However, it also seems that more idiots are playing now, cuz the three gold runs I attempted were plagued with idiots. I carried teams to round 3 and fi.ally rage quit when people were still running around and not working together.

I swear stupidity is evolving.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on June 22, 2012, 01:36:12 PM
Extended ending is out next Tuesday.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on June 22, 2012, 02:59:52 PM
Extended ending is out next Tuesday.
OH BOY!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on June 22, 2012, 04:26:14 PM
Is there any info on how it works? Do you just download and watch?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on June 22, 2012, 04:31:12 PM
You have to start playing from the Cerberus Base mission.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on June 22, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
Sounds to me like scenes have been added though the final missions. at 1.9 gb, its gotta be some pretty substantial stuff. Crossing my fingers that they 'clarify' the ending to mean INDOCTRINATION.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on June 23, 2012, 03:51:27 AM
Sounds to me like scenes have been added though the final missions. at 1.9 gb, its gotta be some pretty substantial stuff. Crossing my fingers that they 'clarify' the ending to mean INDOCTRINATION.

Yup, it is the biggest single player DLC released so far. Shadow Broker was around 1.6gb and had an awful lot of content.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on June 23, 2012, 04:27:31 AM
(http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/electronic-arts/bioware/ME3poster1.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on June 23, 2012, 04:38:40 AM
You know, a Galaga-esque minigame featuring the Normandy against hordes of Reapers wouldn't be so bad.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on June 24, 2012, 12:16:54 AM
Sounds to me like scenes have been added though the final missions. at 1.9 gb, its gotta be some pretty substantial stuff. Crossing my fingers that they 'clarify' the ending to mean INDOCTRINATION.

I think they've said it won't use IT explicitly, but we can still interpret it into the new ending. Or something like that.

But wow, bigger than LotSB? Sweet.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on June 24, 2012, 12:23:13 AM
I think they've said it won't use IT explicitly, but we can still interpret it into the new ending. Or something like that.

It really isn't one of those things that should be confirmed or made canon, it's fun to make crazy theories but I imagine if that were actually made true it'd feel like the stupidest copout ever.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on June 24, 2012, 12:30:52 AM
Yeah, that's why I'm glad they're not going to outright use it - even though I like the IT myself.

I have a feeling we'll see all the races we recruited, actually seen in the final battle above Earth, stuff like that. It'd be nice to see the progress on Rannoch too (if you made the right choice).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 24, 2012, 02:22:06 AM
So um, this "extended cut" is practically what one would call a patch for the ending? If so that's... really weird. (・_・ヾ

I mean it make sense after all the drama with the ending, but still.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: ZeronHitaro on June 24, 2012, 05:03:57 AM
I'm actually going to be keeping a close eye on this as it releases. Not for the 'potential trainwreck' that some other will; but because I actually want it to legitimately appease the fans. After reading everything about the ending I have no desire to invest in a 3-game series that ends poorly and contradictorily. If they manage to churn out something that pacifies the more well thought out criticisms of the ending that'll be enough for me to plunge.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on June 24, 2012, 10:18:25 AM
To be frank, there's honestly nothing Bioware can really do to appease the largest critics, most of them on NeoGAF.  The hatred for Bioware is at absurd levels to the point where you have individuals demanding that employees at the company lose their jobs and how they're the shittiest writers in the universe.  These are people that will proclaim how terrible all Bioware products are while they breathlessly champion a piece of shit like Alpha Protocol.

I highly recommend you ignore it all and just play the games yourself.  I didn't like the current ending and I'm skeptical of the Indoctrination Theory, but arriving at a disappointing destination does not make the journey worthless.  10 minutes of confusion at the end does not make the previous 100+ hours a waste of time.  I had a blast playing through the trilogy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 24, 2012, 01:02:46 PM
To be frank, there's honestly nothing Bioware can really do to appease the largest critics, most of them on NeoGAF.

But, they hate on everything all the time. ( ̄~ ̄;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on June 24, 2012, 01:15:42 PM
The forum is negative in general, but Bioware threads receive a special kind of hatred that is borderline disturbing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on June 24, 2012, 02:48:25 PM
These are people that will proclaim how terrible all Bioware products are while they breathlessly champion a piece of shit like Alpha Protocol.

Well, it certainly handles choice better, but it helps when you restrain yourself to a single game that can be completed in something like 30 hours, and in any case I enjoyed actually PLAYING each Mass Effect way more.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on June 24, 2012, 11:36:19 PM
I highly recommend you ignore it all and just play the games yourself.  I didn't like the current ending and I'm skeptical of the Indoctrination Theory, but arriving at a disappointing destination does not make the journey worthless.  10 minutes of confusion at the end does not make the previous 100+ hours a waste of time.  I had a blast playing through the trilogy.

All of this, pretty much. I can't fathom the ending, as crappy and disappointing as it was, ruining the whole series for me.

I thought SomethingAwful would have or was supposed to have its own special hate for BioWare but their ME3 thread is actually super tame.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on June 24, 2012, 11:56:23 PM
The thing that makes more sense for 'ruining' is ruining replay value. One of the most potentially exciting things was playing the series from start to end and seeing just how differently things could go. As is, just on that basis it doesn't seem like there's really enough variation to justify how much time that'd take, versus any other (mostly) stand alone choice driven RPG. Mind, the DLC COULD change that, but it can only do it by so much: you're still going to have the feeling of being largely cheated when things happen like
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another Rachni queen being pulled out of nowhere so one mission can still happen, and remain largely the same. Not that there ISN'T an effect, you can't exactly get this new queen to join you, and when you're doing a full paragon/'perfect' run and see stuff like this without knowing the alternative it's VERY satisfying.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on June 25, 2012, 12:15:39 AM
Hmmm.
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But I killed the Rachni in my second ME run, and the (clone?) queen still begged me to let her join. In typical renegade fashion I turned her down but... What happens if I say yes?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on June 25, 2012, 12:30:50 AM
Hmmm.
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But I killed the Rachni in my second ME run, and the (clone?) queen still begged me to let her join. In typical renegade fashion I turned her down but... What happens if I say yes?
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She's indoctrinated and has to be put down, at a significant loss to the Alliance.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on June 25, 2012, 12:37:28 AM
Again... my general feelings about the ending were positive and I was satisfied. Not sure if I'm going to play the ending again to see what they did. I wish they just let the fans whine and left it alone.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on June 25, 2012, 12:49:37 AM
I'll wait to see how it comes out. From what little I've heard it IS possible that I'll be fully in the "just leave it alone" camp. They did what they did, and attempts to fix that can come off worse than if it were just that way in the first place.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Carter83 on June 25, 2012, 07:40:35 AM
...but arriving at a disappointing destination does not make the journey worthless.  10 minutes of confusion at the end does not make the previous 100+ hours a waste of time.
Exactly, I've never understood why an ending, good or bad, should destroy the previous fun. It makes as much sense as claiming that "Life sucks, because I'll die eventually.", for example.
 Anyway, I'm curious what will BW come with in the EC, 1.9GB seems to be a lot of content.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 25, 2012, 01:08:55 PM
^Ha.

That is the most extreme example I've ever seen someone say.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on June 25, 2012, 01:14:00 PM
I thought they were just expanding upon the given endings. 2 gigs of content is a fucking expansion side story.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on June 25, 2012, 05:29:12 PM
Or a lot of pre-rendered footage.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on June 25, 2012, 05:41:41 PM
Or a lot of pre-rendered footage.
Parn do you just enjoy shitting on my hopes and dreams?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: DPB on June 25, 2012, 05:48:13 PM
Even if it's just pre-rendered that's still a hell of a lot of videos - the movies folder in the PC version is 3.19 gb for the entire game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on June 25, 2012, 06:26:08 PM
Or a lot of pre-rendered footage.
Parn do you just enjoy shitting on my hopes and dreams?

The expanded ending is actually just like a Metal Gear's, a half hour plus of incoherent rambling over a pre-recorded video that includes a lot of live action footage.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on June 25, 2012, 09:01:36 PM
Alright Parn#2, I get it. Nanomachines, etc
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on June 26, 2012, 11:13:31 AM
Anyone play through it yet? I'm still downloading it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on June 26, 2012, 01:21:03 PM
I've got an hour bus ride home before I even get to start downloading it. Then I have to redo like 90% of the game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on June 26, 2012, 01:53:56 PM
I love the extended endings. They fix all of the problems with the original ending, allow the player to question the Catalyst, add scenes to explain stuff like Joker being in FTL travel when the beam hits, and add a new ending.

Anyone who is still complaining about the endings after his is just a whiner now, no joke.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on June 26, 2012, 02:03:53 PM
I've got an hour bus ride home before I even get to start downloading it. Then I have to redo like 90% of the game.

You don't have a save at/before Cerberus base?

I love the extended endings. They fix all of the problems with the original ending, allow the player to question the Catalyst, add scenes to explain stuff like Joker being in FTL travel when the beam hits, and add a new ending.

Anyone who is still complaining about the endings after his is just a whiner now, no joke.

Yet people are still complaining. I haven't gotten to London yet, but I'm interested in the new ending. Or all of them, really.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on June 26, 2012, 02:10:45 PM
I've got an hour bus ride home before I even get to start downloading it. Then I have to redo like 90% of the game.

You don't have a save at/before Cerberus base?

I love the extended endings. They fix all of the problems with the original ending, allow the player to question the Catalyst, add scenes to explain stuff like Joker being in FTL travel when the beam hits, and add a new ending.

Anyone who is still complaining about the endings after his is just a whiner now, no joke.

Yet people are still complaining. I haven't gotten to London yet, but I'm interested in the new ending. Or all of them, really.
I think my last save was a new game as a femshep, but my main save was a restart and I just got to Eve.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on June 26, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
Most of the nonsense was fixed. It's closure, at least.

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LOL @ shooting Casper. I really liked the new ending, since it's the one that resonates the best with Commander "I won't let fear compromise who I am" Shepard.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: dyeager on June 26, 2012, 05:04:18 PM
I love the extended endings. They fix all of the problems with the original ending, allow the player to question the Catalyst, add scenes to explain stuff like Joker being in FTL travel when the beam hits, and add a new ending.

Anyone who is still complaining about the endings after his is just a whiner now, no joke.

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Eh, before I even saw "Indoctrination Theory" I thought what was happening right after
you get hit by the Reaper beam was a dream sequence because the pile of coincidences
and absurdity was too ridiculous and lazy to be real. Apparently I gave them too much credit?

Put me in the "just a whiner" pile.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on June 26, 2012, 06:19:17 PM
Watched the "green" ending on Youtube... I'd save calling people "whiners" for anyone dumb enough to stay FURIOUS about the ending and/or demand another one (probably implanting the indoctrination theory). It's an improvement, but to me now it's just limp rather than a profoundly awful ending. Also:
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seeing everyone with glowing green eyes would make me want to choose differently from synthesis.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on June 26, 2012, 08:48:52 PM
Refusal ending is the best ending.  By far.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on June 26, 2012, 09:15:57 PM
Refusal ending is the best ending.  By far.

Yeah, I actually liked how that one worked out. And unlike the indoctrination theory it's the kind of fan conclusion that'd actually WORK to implant.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on June 26, 2012, 09:45:24 PM
Not sure if I want to just watch them on youtube or play through my last save again... I'll probably play. Put on the turtlebeaches and crank it. Loved the music when you're making your choice.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on June 26, 2012, 09:54:45 PM
In regards to the refusal ending (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12763667#12764049) (look for a post made by Jessica Merizan)

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the next cycle does use the Crucible. Thought they would find another way... Maybe they added a new option? Still liked this ending though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on June 26, 2012, 10:01:47 PM
In regards to the refusal ending (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12763667#12764049) (look for a post made by Jessica Merizan)

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the next cycle does use the Crucible. Thought they would find another way... Maybe they added a new option? Still liked this ending though.

Hmm.
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I imagine that given the stuff Liara was saying the final version of that was made (or at least last updated) after the Earth assault, and if they managed
 to pull Shepard off they'd have an idea of how it was supposed to work, add that information in, then they'd probably have either juryrigged
a new choice there (refining the synthetic targeting to just Reapers?) or just voted on which one to use and run with that.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on June 26, 2012, 10:12:42 PM
I youtubed the new ending, cuz I can't be bothered to play through all of it again.

It's amazing how the best ending shows just how STUPID pride can be. I fucking loved it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on June 27, 2012, 12:46:11 AM
I love the extended endings. They fix all of the problems with the original ending, allow the player to question the Catalyst, add scenes to explain stuff like Joker being in FTL travel when the beam hits, and add a new ending.

Anyone who is still complaining about the endings after his is just a whiner now, no joke.

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Eh, before I even saw "Indoctrination Theory" I thought what was happening right after
you get hit by the Reaper beam was a dream sequence because the pile of coincidences
and absurdity was too ridiculous and lazy to be real. Apparently I gave them too much credit?

Put me in the "just a whiner" pile.
I think having legitimate problems and not making a big deal out of them is different from complaining, just for the record. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: John on June 27, 2012, 09:44:35 AM
I liked all the changes and clarifications before the ending - the additional sequences were great and the ability to talk to the Catalyst gave some good information.

I did feel like the epilogues kind of hit people over the head with the things that could have still been left vague.  Though I really liked the vagueness of the DX:HR endings, and these seemed more straightforward.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Pmayo on June 27, 2012, 09:50:53 AM
So I beat 2 awhile ago, but along with a few over saves I lost mine. Should I trudge through 2 again to play 3, or is 3 still good enough to play without importing your save?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: dyeager on June 27, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
I love the extended endings. They fix all of the problems with the original ending, allow the player to question the Catalyst, add scenes to explain stuff like Joker being in FTL travel when the beam hits, and add a new ending.

Anyone who is still complaining about the endings after his is just a whiner now, no joke.

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Eh, before I even saw "Indoctrination Theory" I thought what was happening right after
you get hit by the Reaper beam was a dream sequence because the pile of coincidences
and absurdity was too ridiculous and lazy to be real. Apparently I gave them too much credit?

Put me in the "just a whiner" pile.
I think having legitimate problems and not making a big deal out of them is different from complaining, just for the record. :P

Ha, yes, fair enough. Put me in the "this plot gets really silly really fast at the end" pile then.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on June 27, 2012, 12:49:35 PM
I love the extended endings. They fix all of the problems with the original ending, allow the player to question the Catalyst, add scenes to explain stuff like Joker being in FTL travel when the beam hits, and add a new ending.

Anyone who is still complaining about the endings after his is just a whiner now, no joke.

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Eh, before I even saw "Indoctrination Theory" I thought what was happening right after
you get hit by the Reaper beam was a dream sequence because the pile of coincidences
and absurdity was too ridiculous and lazy to be real. Apparently I gave them too much credit?

Put me in the "just a whiner" pile.
I think having legitimate problems and not making a big deal out of them is different from complaining, just for the record. :P

Ha, yes, fair enough. Put me in the "this plot gets really silly really fast at the end" pile then.

Same, Dave.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on June 27, 2012, 02:01:49 PM
The biggest thing the extended ending does for me is prove everything I said before right. The relays didn't explode, they were just disabled and could be rebuilt. Shepard in the control ending orders Reapers to help rebuild and he protects the galaxy as the new Reaper overlord. Joker was ordered into FTL the whole time.

After being accosted by keyboard thugs everywhere: VINDICATION!

:P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 27, 2012, 10:33:44 PM
Yes, there will be more Mass Effect 3 DLC (http://www.giantbomb.com/news/yes-there-will-be-more-mass-effect-3-dlc/4242/)

"An inquisitive user on the BioWare message boards looked into the data featured within the Extended Cut, and found evidence of a new mission related to Leviathan, which appears to be a dormant, rogue Reaper mentioned in both Mass Effect and Mass Effect 3.

Hmm."
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Farron on June 28, 2012, 10:59:22 AM
I watched the endings on youtube and after some thoughts on how they resolve I think they are much better than the pallete swap we had seen the first time. I'm just a little disappointed because the indocrination theory seemed like a much better ending in my opinion.

At least now we have some closure to how things end, like what happened to the genophage, the quarians and the geth, etc.

Among of the one I've seen, as I believe there's still one ending where you shoot the "little boy", I liked the "green ending" better. A little too far fetched but given how things turn out, it seems you can really stop the "reapers cicle" without actually destroying them and the geth.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on June 29, 2012, 01:17:29 AM
I think using the indoctrination theory when it wasn't BioWare's original intention would have been a copout and a slightly lazy one at that. But the way the screen blurs seems to allude to an attempt at indoctrinating Shepard while s/he argues with TIM in the citadel.

I do like seeing things cleared up though. Why my crew wasn't at the beam, other sorts of closure etc. There was an extra sort of goodbye between Garrus/romanced Shep. Between that and the destroy ending I sort of bawww'd. Um. Again.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: GrimReality on June 29, 2012, 03:44:27 PM
I just beat the regular game last night. I had no idea there was more than one ending possibility until reading this thread. Seemed to me that there was only one choice available.
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After talking to ghost boy you go up the walkway and shoot the box. I don't recall any color choices, like so many here have mentioned. Obviously I missed something. Still, I had no real problem with it all. *shrugs*
I'll DL the Extended Ending tomorrow. I don't really want to play through the last few areas again, but it was pretty damn fun, so I can deal.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on June 29, 2012, 03:57:40 PM
you could either walk straight and jump into the thing. walk right and shoot the thing. or walk left and tinker with the thing

I broke down and am watching the extended endings now.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on June 29, 2012, 04:11:03 PM
Yeah, in Yoda terms, you can also say fuck you to the thing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: GrimReality on June 29, 2012, 04:43:22 PM
But how do you know which ending you get based on your choice? I went right and shot the box. What ending did I technically get?
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I just saw everything get wiped out, with a shot of the busted Normandy and the door starting to open. I figured everybody died except for a chosen(not really) few meant to start it all over again.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on June 29, 2012, 04:57:06 PM
But how do you know which ending you get based on your choice? I went right and shot the box. What ending did I technically get?
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I just saw everything get wiped out, with a shot of the busted Normandy and the door starting to open. I figured everybody died except for a chosen(not really) few meant to start it all over again.

You picked:
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The destroy option since you ended all synthetic life. I went middle in my main playthrough and that's where everything is united. And after watching the extended cut endings I'm really happy with that. If you went left you decided to control synthetics

Grimm I recommend watching the new endings. They're very good.

One thing though, Each choice presents a totally different result to life in the galaxy. How the hell they can make a sequel out of that is going to be a real challenge.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: GrimReality on June 29, 2012, 05:02:32 PM
I thought it was more than just new endings. Don't they start you back a few areas? Aren't there new interactions/scenes throughout? Wouldn't you have to play through that part again to the full effect? I would think so. Watching videos on youtube just isn't the same.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: DPB on June 29, 2012, 05:37:03 PM
The new scenes start when you're
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running towards the beam to the Citadel.
As far I can tell everything before that is unchanged, even though you have to begin all the way back at the
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Cerberus Base.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on June 30, 2012, 04:09:21 AM
But how do you know which ending you get based on your choice? I went right and shot the box. What ending did I technically get?
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I just saw everything get wiped out, with a shot of the busted Normandy and the door starting to open. I figured everybody died except for a chosen(not really) few meant to start it all over again.
Your EMS was really low.

The Crucible misfired and sterilized the galaxy. Maybe not the whole thing, but enough that whoever's left over is screwed six ways from Sunday.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: ZeronHitaro on July 03, 2012, 09:51:38 AM
Late to the party as ever I picked up the original Mass Effect on Steam yesterday. Having a blast but I'm hating the difficulty curve and the shooter mechanics. XP Bad enough the plot line enemies could 3-4 shot me but now I'm having to deal with pirates who can do the same in 2-3 and waltz right past the wall I'm taking cover behind while being able to take shotgun blows at point blank range. This ain't right. ~.~
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: dyeager on July 03, 2012, 10:28:04 AM
The original ME I thought had the tightest actual plotline compared to ME2/3, but yeah the mechanics are very different. Basically every time you shoot at something, dice roll in the background to see if you hit, whereas 2 and 3 have more classic FPS mechanics.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on July 03, 2012, 12:20:51 PM
I agree with Dave - plotline in ME1 was my favourite.

As for the shooting mechanics, yeah, it felt awkward especially since I played ME1 AFTER 2 (and a lot of cover based shooters). It got better halfway through ME1 after I upgraded/customized my weapons a bit.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on July 03, 2012, 12:50:04 PM
ME1 has the best overall plot, but the character interactions just kept getting better. Saren was an incredibly engaging villain who managed to also be sympathetic.

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Kai Leng was a horribly written and stupidly cliched attempt at creating Mass Effect 3's Saren. He did nothing, and frequently failed at it. And his hatred for Shepard? The only explanation they could give is 'the writers needed him to hate Shepard, so uh, he does because of fuck you that's why. I really thought he was the worst part of the plot, original ending aside. Even that error-ridden book couldn't make him a less awful character.

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on July 03, 2012, 01:34:29 PM
Oh God Kai Leng. Fuck Kai Leng. He was pointless.

And if you ever hear 'he's better in the books!" ... no he isn't. Well, maybe marginally, but he was never a great character and nowhere near Saren.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on July 03, 2012, 02:11:59 PM
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Yeah, he wasn't better in the books. He's flat and uninteresting there, too. His entire function was to serve as a Saren-surrogate, and that was a well-intentioned but misguided goal.

Fact is, TIM and the Reapers were plenty villain enough. They were trying to create a 'personal' conflict like Shep had with Saren, but it fell flat. Saren was an awesome villain because he was sympathetic and also awesomely villainous-- and if you read the books, you realized that he was xenophobic and racist with regards to humanity but not EVIL, and his indoctrination just exacerbated that existing issue. Plus, his voice actor was off the fucking hook.

Kai Leng just consistently did stupid shit for no reason, and could barely beat a critically ill drell (admittedly, that drell was THANEOMGBADASS), but still. Seriously?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on July 03, 2012, 02:25:22 PM
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I don't know if kai leng was supposed to be a Saren surrogate. The Illusive Man fit that role much better.

Saren and TIM both:

Believed they were in control when someone else was controlling them.

Underwent reaper tech infusion of their own will.

Wanted Shepard to come over to their side: Saren, "Don't you see, my way is the only way any of us will survive." TIM, "I wish you could see it like I do, Shepard. It's so ... perfect."

Both can be convinced by Shepard's powerful will that what they're doing is wrong and misguided, proving that they were not evil, simply lost their way somewhere in the execution of their good intentions.

Kai Leng was not a leader. He was a follower. He was supposed to represent the triumph of Shepard and Anderson's bond against the loyalty to a misguided cause. The problem is he was introduced in the fucking books and didn't get any characterization.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: GrimReality on July 03, 2012, 02:35:36 PM
Kai Leng felt to me like a goofy jrpg villain knock-off.
I actually didn't like Saren very much, eithe.r I found him to be a boring villain. At least until the end when we find out he wasn't the true villain after all. Then I kind of just felt bad for him.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Aurian on July 03, 2012, 08:35:48 PM
Is there any point in my getting 4000+ military readiness for the new endings or do all I get is one little image at the end again?

I am pretty much trying to do everything but it is almost effing impossible to get 4000 if you don't play online since your score is cut to 50%.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on July 03, 2012, 09:07:45 PM
Is there any point in my getting 4000+ military readiness for the new endings or do all I get is one little image at the end again?

I am pretty much trying to do everything but it is almost effing impossible to get 4000 if you don't play online since your score is cut to 50%.

According to the ME wikia (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_3:_Extended_Cut) (contains spoilers), the EMS needed for the "special" ending in the Extended Cut was lowered to 3100 EMS. So if you've played a more or less Paragon Shepard, you'll easily pass it. Remember that the values are cut in half, so if you have 7000, it'll be in fact 3500.

***

About Cereal Killer Kai Leng:

He is the only villain who sends you hate mail. I mean, really?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on July 03, 2012, 10:51:37 PM
About Cereal Killer Kai Leng:

He is the only villain who sends you hate mail. I mean, really?

Also the only one petty enough to steal your cereal, obviously.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Aurian on July 07, 2012, 09:47:04 AM
Oh cool, that's nice. I thought it was strange that it was nigh impossible to get 4000 without multiplayer. I have 3700 or so. :)

Ha ha, I thought it was strange to see Kai Leng trolling you. Before he was more professional and then he's doing that to make it personal? Why?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Bleaker on July 10, 2012, 11:30:27 AM
So I let a friend borrow ME1 awhile back, he liked it generally and a few days ago he borrowed ME2 from me... He then told me that he did not plan on ever playing ME3, that he doesn't take the game very seriously, and he did not import his character into ME2 because he didn't care whether his choices mattered or not.

Yeah, he is never getting an RPG from me again. Also I still have not played the Extended Cut because my internet blows and I'm not able to download it. Oh well, I've watched them, and wasn't in love with them. Didn't not like them either. I guess I'm just indifferent.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on July 10, 2012, 02:40:37 PM
So your friend likes Call of Shitty I see?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Der Jermeister on July 10, 2012, 03:07:51 PM
Beat this recently, and I don't really understand people's complaints about the ending.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on July 10, 2012, 06:17:18 PM
Current DLC rumours include Earth multiplayer (Vancouver/London/Rio maps plus a bunch of human classes) and Leviathan single player DLC involving a rogue Reaper. I'd be okay with this.

Still want Aria/Omega DLC though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Bleaker on July 12, 2012, 01:51:21 PM
So your friend likes Call of Shitty I see?

Me and him play it occasionally, we both agree that the latest ones have sucked, but I think that Call of Duty is fun to play occasionally. He just finished ME2, talked with him while he did the suicide mission. I accidentally gave him some bad advice that got Mordin and Jack killed. He also got very afraid that Miranda and Garrus died at the end. I should probably tell him that a bunch of the ME2 crew are only in ME3 for a few minutes. I think he'd get more than a little angry.

I think his attitude towards the series has changed drastically. He liked ME2 a lot more than ME1. Which I think is crazy, because Mass Effect 1 is one of the best western RPGS on this generation. As matter of fact the entire series, even with its bad moments, was the best WRPG series this generation.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on July 12, 2012, 08:26:33 PM
Beat this recently, and I don't really understand people's complaints about the ending.

http://doycetesterman.com/index.php/2012/03/mass-effect-tolkein-and-your-bullshit-artistic-process/

Enjoy the article.  It encapsulates why I hate the endings better than I could verbalize it.  It's pretty bad when a glorified game over screen (the new refuse ending) is a significantly more satisfying ending than even the extended versions of the existing endings.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: ZeronHitaro on July 12, 2012, 08:41:36 PM
Beat this recently, and I don't really understand people's complaints about the ending.

http://doycetesterman.com/index.php/2012/03/mass-effect-tolkein-and-your-bullshit-artistic-process/

Enjoy the article.  It encapsulates why I hate the endings better than I could verbalize it.  It's pretty bad when a glorified game over screen (the new refuse ending) is a significantly more satisfying ending than even the extended versions of the existing endings.

"Also, no matter what, no matter how much ass you kick, you’re dead? Yeah. No thanks, man."

*minor nitpick*

This part of the arguement against the ending kinda makes me want to call "BS" on the fans personally.

Keep in mind I've only played the first game, but everything pretty much outright says the Reapers as a force are unbeatable. Hell the fight with Sovereign should've drilled that in completely. One lone Reaper ship come to call and pretty much every high caliber ship available had to be called in with most of them getting reduced to scrap iron. You pretty much have to find some other way than 'We're going to defeat them.' to deal with this threat. People, far more advanced than any of you smucks, have been trying the headbutting solution for multiple millennia and failing every, single, time. 'History repeats' parable anyone?

Maybe I need to play 2 & 3 to understand exactly where all the 'But we can do it this time' hope comes from; but personally I see this as RPG fans being more than a bit spoiled by JRPGs the last decade.

An evil 'unstoppable' force coming against you? We'll kill it with love, friendship and spikey hair!
A world-eating behemoth about to end your entire planet? No problem; we've got a magical barrier maiden for that!
God himself saying 'Thou needest to shut up and die now'. Pft, nothing my 14ft long sword can't cleave in two!

JRPGs, by and large, have no such thing as an 'unbeatable' villain; even if said villain could snuff out the sun itself with just a thought (and yet is somehow vulnerable to some lanky 16 year old tossing a physics defying frisbee of minor doom). Personally I think the fact that, no matter what you do, victory by force in impossible; is a much needed breath of freaking fresh air.

To put it in old PnP terms; if the PC is stupid enough to think they can marshal an army against a Half-Golem, Vampiric, Celestian, Half-Dragon, Epic Tarrasque...what do you think is going to happen? XP
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on July 12, 2012, 10:21:18 PM
That article confuses me.

First, it goes on about the lack of impact the decisions have on the final endings. Disregarding themes and overarching plots (which can be debated for a long time with no concrete outcome), I can accept this argument as a point against the endings - fair enough.

But then the author goes on to state that a binary decision of the "original, true ending," (which is unconfirmed by the way, they left a lot of hooks for various different scenarios to play out) where the entire series' decisions and results boil down to "Betray organics and become Reapers" or "Screw Reapers and hope to find a solution to the Dark Matter crap eventually" is SUPERIOR? So a TWO CHOICE binary ending that is basically black and white dichotomy is BETTER than the three choice grey morality endings? Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the storyline being "Something we use in everyday life is somehow detrimental to our society and maybe we shouldn't use it anymore" theme is - wait for it - a central theme in Tales games. What the flying fuck?

I call bullshit. Now, the Dark Energy ending does seem fascinating in its own right, but people are focusing on the wrong thing here. I already said so before, but transplanting Mass Effect's endings into other works is a retarded way to show the point of one's argument. If we REALLY wanted to make an argument that they should've gone with Dark Energy, then maybe we should state how the Quarians made a big ass deal about Haestrom going Red Giant too soon, to no apparent conclusion, thus providing insufficient closure for a major plot point from the previous game, while the Organics vs Synthetics storyline had been already resolved by the time the final battle rolled around.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on July 12, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
I think the game is now 4 months old and this arguement has kind of staled a bit now. Bioware trolled us, good job guys. Your endings are terrible, except the only good one because it's the most "human" ending ever, and it still ends poorly (albeit entertainingly) for it. When your next big RPG saga hits and 1/3 of the player base you had prior doesn't show up, you'll know why. When you spout shit about choosing your path and we disbelieve you, it'll be understood why. When you name the game after a concept found in the game, we'll know it will eventually have nothing to do with the final focus of the story.


Don't bite the hands that feed you.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Annubis on July 12, 2012, 11:04:19 PM
When your next big RPG saga hits and 1/3 of the player base you had prior doesn't show up, you'll know why.

Considering their next title might be Dragon Age 3... erg...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on July 12, 2012, 11:08:07 PM
When your next big RPG saga hits and 1/3 of the player base you had prior doesn't show up, you'll know why.

Considering their next title might be Dragon Age 3... erg...
Furthering my point, how many people shat on dragon age 2, which was a step backward in nearly everyway (except for me, I didn't like 1 in the first place).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: GrimReality on July 13, 2012, 09:36:27 AM
Personally, I will happily buy their next game if it's well reviewed and something I'm interested in. Regardless of the ending controversy, the game itself was fantastic. To focus on a 15 minute ending over a 40 hour game just seems so petty to me. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on July 13, 2012, 06:28:00 PM
So a TWO CHOICE binary ending that is basically black and white dichotomy is BETTER than the three choice grey morality endings?

Absolutely.  You can offer a person three different methods to make a bowl of oatmeal, but in the end, you're still getting a bowl of oatmeal.

Your claim that the two choice binary ending possibilities are black and white is pretty far off, I'd say.  It's not simply a question of good choice versus bad choice.  For the record, you're not betraying organics with one of the choices.  You're betraying your own kind... humans.  The choice to aid the reapers by sacrificing humanity and building a human reaper which you know for a fact will resolve the dark energy problem is a very hard choice to make.  You will save the galaxy, but at the cost of betraying the very people you swore to protect.  Could you really make that choice if you were in that position?  Choice aside, this even ties in to the entirety of Mass Effect 2, where the whole game revolved around the Collectors gathering humans to create a human reaper... the final boss of that game.  It would have served as one of those "oh, so that's what the reapers were trying to accomplish with that giant monstrosity" moments.  The other choice is to say fuck off to the reapers and pursue your own path, with no way to know if the galaxy can find a solution to the dark energy problem... and likely won't.  But the galaxy would at a minimum enjoy several more centuries of time before it all fell apart and you wouldn't be sacrificing your own kind.  Could you really make that choice if you were in that position?

Now, the above may be only two choices, but they carry significantly more weight than the three options you're given in the retail release, and it ties in Mass Effect 2 quite nicely.  I'm sorry, but there's just no comparison.  The retail release's three choices are fucking weak sauce.  I think Fable 2 had a more significant choice thrust upon the player at the end.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: ZeronHitaro on July 15, 2012, 02:45:42 AM
Since I've seen copies on ME2 with all the DLC included floating around I have a few questions:

-Are the 'prior events' from ME1 in ME2-PS3 version completely set in one stone path or are they randomized every time you start a new game? (As the PS3 has no ME 1 to download a prior save from.)

-If it's one single pre-game path; what things do they elect to count as canon? (Council living/dying, chosen romantic partner, ect.)

-Will I really be missing out on a large part of the 'make your own story' by playing a version that doesn't have ME1 backwards compatibility?

Just wondering because ME3's price is tanking; so it might be smarter/quicker for my situation to just buy the PS3 versions rather than waiting for a new computer than can handle ME2-3 and buying it off Origin.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on July 15, 2012, 07:26:46 AM
Now, the above may be only two choices, but they carry significantly more weight than the three options you're given in the retail release, and it ties in Mass Effect 2 quite nicely.  I'm sorry, but there's just no comparison.  The retail release's three choices are fucking weak sauce.  I think Fable 2 had a more significant choice thrust upon the player at the end.
You have a point about the choices not being black and white, and to be honest, I think the Dark Energy ending is pretty fascinating myself - but then, if we're to assert that it was the originally intended ending all along, then it brings with it its own, completely new set of problems. First and foremost being, if the Reapers discovered that Mass Effect technology was causing Dark Energy to rampage out of control, why would they continue to allow galactic civilization to utilize it for MILLIONS OF YEARS before putting their final plan to contain the phenomenon into motion? Why not destroy all the Mass Relays and ensure that any spacefaring race does not utilize Mass Effect technology upon threat of extermination while trying to find a solution to the problem? Even hand waving that part, how exactly would they combat Dark Energy, an ostensibly natural phenomenon? I mean, it's like asking scientists now to find a way to control earthquakes and tornadoes. I get the feeling that fans are just enamored with 'what could have been' and thus elevate the Dark Energy ending into some sort of perfect ending when it has just as many problems - if not more - than the endings we got.

Since I've seen copies on ME2 with all the DLC included floating around I have a few questions:

-Are the 'prior events' from ME1 in ME2-PS3 version completely set in one stone path or are they randomized every time you start a new game? (As the PS3 has no ME 1 to download a prior save from.)

-If it's one single pre-game path; what things do they elect to count as canon? (Council living/dying, chosen romantic partner, ect.)

-Will I really be missing out on a large part of the 'make your own story' by playing a version that doesn't have ME1 backwards compatibility?

Just wondering because ME3's price is tanking; so it might be smarter/quicker for my situation to just buy the PS3 versions rather than waiting for a new computer than can handle ME2-3 and buying it off Origin.
Mass Effect 2 on PS3 comes with Genesis, a comic styled 'last time on...' type thing that lets you make choices for six of the major decisions from the previous Mass Effect. These include (SPOILERS, obviously): Whether you kill the Rachni off, which romance partner you select, who you leave on Virmire, whether or not you save the Council, whether you were able to talk down Wrex on Virmire, and who Shepard chooses to be the human Councillor.

Some choices affect side quest availability and dialogue during ME2 and 3. If you want to see everything you'll want to start with ME1. If you're okay with missing some side quests and extra stuff, then skipping ME1 isn't a catastrophic loss.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Bleaker on July 15, 2012, 10:33:58 AM
If you think about it, the fight between humans and machine is MUCH more significant then the Dark Energy stuff. Dark Energy was only mentioned in passing a few times with the Rannoch quest being the biggest thing mentioning it. That's not defending the endings though, they STILL suck. I feel bad for the people holding on to the Indoctrination Theory like my brother. It seems the Extended Cut was made to explicitly disprove it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Parn on July 15, 2012, 12:54:52 PM
First and foremost being, if the Reapers discovered that Mass Effect technology was causing Dark Energy to rampage out of control, why would they continue to allow galactic civilization to utilize it for MILLIONS OF YEARS before putting their final plan to contain the phenomenon into motion? Why not destroy all the Mass Relays and ensure that any spacefaring race does not utilize Mass Effect technology upon threat of extermination while trying to find a solution to the problem? Even hand waving that part, how exactly would they combat Dark Energy, an ostensibly natural phenomenon? I mean, it's like asking scientists now to find a way to control earthquakes and tornadoes. I get the feeling that fans are just enamored with 'what could have been' and thus elevate the Dark Energy ending into some sort of perfect ending when it has just as many problems - if not more - than the endings we got.

Well firstly, it isn't the technology that is causing the expansion of dark energy, just that it relies on dark energy to work.  The expansion is happening regardless.

Secondly, I don't see how controlling natural phenomenon is outside the realm of possibility.  Sure, asking scientists now to control earthquakes and tornadoes is beyond our capabilities (which is why one of those two choices mentioned earlier likely means the doom of the universe and arguably a worse choice than betraying your own kind), but we don't know what the future holds.  Electricity is a naturally occurring phenomena that we have learned to control, manipulate, and regulate that allows us to enjoy the comforts we have today.  We have lightning rods, surge protectors, grounding, and all sorts of other measures to mitigate the damage that lightning strikes can cause.  Mere centuries ago, none of this would have been deemed even remotely possible.  Fire is a naturally occurring phenomenon, yet society has developed tools to combat it as well as harness it for our own uses.  We use it to cook our food while we simultaneously put it out with large quantities of monoammonium phosphate or water when our homes are threatened to be burned down.

If they had gone the dark energy route, there still would have been problems and unanswered questions, sure.  But I sincerely believe that there would have been a lot less controversy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on July 17, 2012, 04:39:44 PM
That link is  very interesting. I'm much more on the side of the supposed "original" ending. It's a difficult choice, but it's way more pertinent to the story than what we got. The EC at least gave it some closure, but the core irrelevancy of the 'ultimate choice' to the plot of the series as a whole still smarts. Whatevs, though. Sad that after such a fantastic series I'm basically just apathetic to it as a whole. Not at all what I'd hoped would come of it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on August 03, 2012, 12:43:02 AM
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/03/leviathan-add-on-will-change-mass-effect-3s-ending?utm_campaign=ign+main+twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

"Rift in your ending"

I swear to god, Bioware, if "rift" in your ending means "1000 more points to your war assets meter" I'm going to fucking brain someone.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: ZeronHitaro on August 03, 2012, 04:27:08 AM
Hmm; this might be the time to pick up 2 and 3 then. I delayed past my initial questioning because I noticed the DLC on ME2 had an expiration date for claiming. XP Thanks EA; nice to know that even if I bought it new the DLC would've been invalid. And they put this kind of important notation in tiny print on the backside.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on August 03, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
So Leviathin is story only, no multiplayer additions? That's sort of...crap.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: John on August 03, 2012, 02:58:42 PM
So Leviathin is story only, no multiplayer additions? That's sort of...crap.

Um, it seems like they've been making their regular MP updates free so as not to fragment the community.  Doesn't make sense for them to make a MP update paid if this is the case.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Agent D. on August 03, 2012, 03:28:05 PM
Well, I should elaborate a bit. I say it's crap because, like it's mentioned in the article, we all know the story already. Even people who haven't played the game, unless they have seriously been ducking all, and I do mean ALL mass effect 3 info still have a general idea of how the game ends. Leviathin is simply adding more meat to the bologne sandwich, it doesn't make it any less of a bologne sandwich. Now if this expansion can actually change the ending in full, yeah, this is a huge deal and I will be buying it ASAP. But given Bioware's desire to firmly state that
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You are dead, deal with itI don't see it happening. The multiplayer aspect at least keeps the game running for the vast majority. Many people won't bother playing through the entire game again just to play through an event where we can go underwater, and still watch the multicolor ending scheme that won't change at all. Call me pessimistic, but I just don't consider this a smart move on bioware's end.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: ZeronHitaro on August 03, 2012, 04:17:45 PM
Actually I have a hunch how this might go. Two really.

Hunch #1:
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Here; you have a weapon that can kill Reapers. Go do the 'refuse' option. Here's your Star Wars Death-Star-Blows-Up
ending, now shut up about it.

Hunch #2:
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Here; you have a weapon that can kill Reapers. Go do the 'refuse' option. Hey look; you almost won!
I bet you if you buy a few more future DLC story quests with more legendary weapons
you might actually win someday.

Either way...I dread those options. As I said before, I actually like the idea that you can't always kill space Cthulhu.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on August 03, 2012, 08:35:20 PM
Actually I have a hunch how this might go. Two really.

Hunch #1:
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Here; you have a weapon that can kill Reapers. Go do the 'refuse' option. Here's your Star Wars Death-Star-Blows-Up
ending, now shut up about it.

Hunch #2:
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Here; you have a weapon that can kill Reapers. Go do the 'refuse' option. Hey look; you almost won!
I bet you if you buy a few more future DLC story quests with more legendary weapons
you might actually win someday.

Either way...I dread those options. As I said before, I actually like the idea that you can't always kill space Cthulhu.

I agree completely, I was suspecting something like one of these two scenarios. I'd ACTUALLY be okay with that. It allows them to maintain their original narrative vision (whatever the fuck that was) while still appeasing EVERYONE.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on August 29, 2012, 02:15:56 PM
So what do you think of Leviathan? I admit I was in part afraid it wouldnt be worth the ten bucks, but I really enjoyed it. It took me 3+ hours to complete, was very interesting and you get a lot more on the Reapers than Starbrat could hope to tell you.

My one regret was not taking the husk head from the lab. :P Ship models can't compare to a screaming head.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on August 31, 2012, 12:43:58 AM
I had two thoughts about the plot threads it introduced.

1) Entirely made to attempt to justify their ending.

2) Fucking ridiculous.

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So the Leviathans noticed that all the species they enthralled were creating AIs that rebelled... so to counteract this... they created an AI. Which rebelled. Face fucking palm.
That said, I guess the gameplay was still solid. But my god, they need to just fucking stop.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on August 31, 2012, 10:58:44 AM
Yeah, the thing I hated was that it was as cyclical as the Starbrat's explanations. Knowing how the Reapers originated was kinda neat though. Even if it's like hey, this sounds familiar...

But still. Husk head.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on August 31, 2012, 04:45:23 PM
At least they can still get the gameplay right.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on August 31, 2012, 04:49:54 PM
Yeah, if gameplay/performance had stayed the same as ME1 the series would be a genuine laughing stock rather than a generally great series that kind of went off the rails at the very end narrative-wise.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on August 31, 2012, 10:09:55 PM
Hey, the gameplay only sucked in 1 until you got Spectre weapons. ;)

I feel like ME3's gameplay has spoiled me though and it'll be hard to go back to 1and 2. Hell, even the MP makes me go 'damn, I wish Shepard could use Lash.'
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on August 31, 2012, 11:18:14 PM
I did still enjoy ME1's gameplay. It was more RPG-like, and a bit more explore-y.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ashton on September 01, 2012, 02:39:34 AM
Mass Effect 1 did do the best in exploration. So many different planets to explore and catalog, I didn't even mind that most dungeons were basically carbon copies.

I wasn't the biggest fan of the gameplay for one reason: it was not well-differentiated. In 2 and 3, the different classes played VERY differently, whereas in 1, a Vanguard was basically a gimped soldier with some Adept moves and stuff instead of being a Charging, Shockwaving, Novaing beast, an Infiltrator was a shitty Engineer with some Soldier abilities instead of being a cloaked assassin, a Sentinel was basically a shitty everything instead of an invincible wall, and so on. They REALLY polished up the gameplay in 2 and 3 which is a large part of why I enjoy the gameplay in them so much.

I had two thoughts about the plot threads it introduced.

1) Entirely made to attempt to justify their ending.

2) Fucking ridiculous.

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So the Leviathans noticed that all the species they enthralled were creating AIs that rebelled... so to counteract this... they created an AI. Which rebelled. Face fucking palm.
To be fair, the AI they created was supposed to be a peaceful one that fostered understanding but ended up fucking them over - in the end it did end up fulfilling its purpose. Honestly, I still don't think they need to 'justify' anything - they already have the extended ending for that. I found the reveals fine. I mean, nothing we didn't know already, but hey, interesting exposition, nonetheless. I mean, I prefer this to Omega DLC, and I REALLY WANT Omega DLC.

I just wish we got to see the Leviathan of Dis. :|
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on September 01, 2012, 02:50:05 AM
Hey, the gameplay only sucked in 1 until you got Spectre weapons. ;)

I feel like ME3's gameplay has spoiled me though and it'll be hard to go back to 1and 2. Hell, even the MP makes me go 'damn, I wish Shepard could use Lash.'

That's true, it was admittedly hyperbolic what I said. But if you had that gunplay through the whole series while the story quality started slipping more as it went on, especially at the end, then what the hell?
I did still enjoy ME1's gameplay. It was more RPG-like, and a bit more explore-y.

Oh yeah, that's definitely true. I really should've also added if the mission/world design was just as linear as ME2/3, because better gunplay versus better exploration is an argument that can be valid in either direction.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on September 01, 2012, 12:33:45 PM
I did still enjoy ME1's gameplay. It was more RPG-like, and a bit more explore-y.

Yeah, whoops, I should have stated that I meant combat. :) I loved ME1's exploration, customization of armour and weapons, that kind of thing. The inventory system was kinda hellish and ME3 got that right at least. If I had to pick the best RPG in the series it would be ME1. ME2 had the best characters and ME3 gameplay. I could single out all the little things that I feel like each game did best but that would be thesis length. :)

As far as classes go, Ash points out exactly why ME2 and 3 did them better. My Vanguard Shep in 1 was pretty much a soldier with occasional biotic moves, and ME3 really just made 2's version of the classes better/more differentiated.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Vaporeon on September 23, 2012, 01:45:31 AM
So glad I waited to play this. I just got the EC Destroy ending and I'm pretty damn satisfied. Still bullshit. that Leviathan and0 EC weren't in there from the start.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on October 04, 2012, 10:09:52 PM
I'm excited about fighting Collectors in multiplayer.

That is all.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on October 12, 2012, 02:30:48 PM
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2012/2020.html

$15 is pricey for Mass Effect DLC but I DON'T CARE.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Ranadiel on October 13, 2012, 08:29:35 AM
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2012/2020.html

$15 is pricey for Mass Effect DLC but I DON'T CARE.

Whee! 15 dollars to fight over the slums of the galaxy! I bet this will have a tremendous impact on the war effort! You might even get 100 EMS!.....Yeah I'm personally not interested.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on October 15, 2012, 01:22:39 AM
Kyuusie's new significant other:
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/10/14/adopt-a-reaper-for-350.aspx
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on October 15, 2012, 01:50:37 AM
That's a lot of money for a chunk of Reaper-shaped plastic. Especially for one that was ONLY IN ONE GAME. (the Leviathan thing does not count.)

Omega is a shithole. Buit I kinda loved it, not going to lie.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Alisha on October 15, 2012, 03:18:37 AM
does this have a release date besides just november yet? tried the demo of 3 and really liked the vanguard class but hair options leave something to be desired so i might just use default redhead look instead of trying to make her look like me.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: kyuusei on October 15, 2012, 03:21:28 AM
What, Omega DLC? Yeah, the 27th.

People aren't fond of reading links apparently.

if you mean the trilogy that's November 6th. (PS3 has no date yet though)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Alisha on October 15, 2012, 03:24:40 AM
yeah sorry i meant the trilogy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Lard on October 15, 2012, 10:15:13 PM
Yeah, if gameplay/performance had stayed the same as ME1 the series would be a genuine laughing stock rather than a generally great series that kind of went off the rails at the very end narrative-wise.

I don't agree with this at all, at least regarding the gameplay.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yoda on October 25, 2012, 11:58:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-wimgL0A5o&feature=share&list=UU1J59SL-jEmLF_4_px0WTzw
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on October 26, 2012, 02:38:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-wimgL0A5o&feature=share&list=UU1J59SL-jEmLF_4_px0WTzw

Lifetime ban for what you just put me through.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Draak on November 09, 2012, 08:07:02 PM
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MEHEM - the Mass Effect Happy Ending mod

What does it do?
- It removes the catalyst scene. No ifs, not buts. It's gone for good. (So is your choice, you will now destroy the reapers no matter what)
- It introduces a whole new scene showing how Joker disobeys orders and keeps the Normandy in the fight long enough for Shepard to be rescued (with the help of a certain Alliance captain :))
- The Normandy no longer crash-lands on the Weirdo Planet
- The implication that the Geth and EDI are destroyed is removed together with the catalyst. While EDI and the Geth will not necessarily show in the epilogue, you can add an optional add-in to make the Geth and Quarians appear at peace in the epilogue slides
- You will see your Shepard reunited with his crew (and even some interaction unique to your LI if the LI is part of the Normandy crew). While they don't exactly have a party, now it is a real bitter-sweet ending with the emphasis on "sweet" rather than on "bitter"
- The musical score is changed quite extensively, including the credits song

Project page: http://social.bioware.com/project/8587/
YT videos: Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KU7XJdaz08I) / Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhjNPWrApnI&amp;fmt=22)

It's still very rough around the edges, but it's damn cool. Gotta love the modding community. I might actually start another playthrough.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Taelus on November 09, 2012, 08:23:28 PM
Wow. You've given me hope. A new lease on Mass Effect. Now I can replay the series and sidestep Bioware's shit storytelling choices.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 09, 2012, 10:14:12 PM
So basically this mod cuts most of the "artistic integrity" of BioWare in order to make (some?) fans happy.

...I don't know if this is impressive or sad. Either way, I personally never expected that someone would take the time to do this.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect ME1&2 spoilers)
Post by: Eusis on November 09, 2012, 11:04:37 PM
Man, I may not have liked the ending but "let's just make it a mostly happy one with Shepard surviving!" is not the way. Not unless it were handled like Shepard's reaction to the endings video anyway. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzYLTbQQEZQ)

... Also may need to warn of ME3 spoilers in the title at this point. That became such a big deal that you'll probably get spoiled on the ending everywhere now.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Ashton on November 10, 2012, 02:07:33 AM
I don't understand the obsession people have with having a happy ending where everyone's alive and fist bumps each other. It was a war. There are costs. Having a "yay we're all victorious and let's have a party" ending is idiotic. I can understand where people are coming from on the whole Catalyst thing, but complaints about Shepard's death are retarded to me.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Taelus on November 10, 2012, 02:50:57 AM
I don't necessary care for a "happier" ending, but the fact that this isn't the whole "lol Catalyst and other dumb shit" ending is what interests me. For all I care, the game could end right
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when Anderson and Shepard are dying and it would still be better. Their ending is bad, inconsistent writing, and the EC only makes it worse-- because they take their bad writing and add insultingly huge amounts of 'detail' to it. I return to my favorite example,
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your nice, tender, minute-plus scene with your LI while Harbinger is in the background blasting people to death. People who aren't you or the Normandy, which, you'd think, would register higher on the HOLY FUCKING SHIT KILL IT scale
But yeah, I don't think the ending needed to be happier. That wasn't the issue, at least not for me. The sacrifice and all that was kind of poignant.


EDIT: Also, no, it's not idiotic. It's just what some people wanted to see. There WERE casualties. That wasn't my particular problem with the ending, but it's not even close to idiotic to have expected something more in line with the rest of the series' tone. Knowing that this mod exists and that I won't have to truck through Bioware's pile of dog shit at the top of an otherwise glorious mountain of awesome has reinvigorated my desire to play the game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: (Tunnels) on November 12, 2012, 11:31:36 AM
Next Mass Effect Game in Development (http://blog.bioware.com/2012/11/12/an-update-from-bioware-montreal/)

RPGFan Story about it (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2012/2106.html)

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Most recently, we built a large piece of DLC that will be released on November 27 and that you know under the name of Omega. With each new portion of work, we took on deeper and broader responsibilities, but we always worked in conjunction with Casey, the Mass Effect leads, and the developers in Edmonton.

That evolution now takes its next step, with the news that the next Mass Effect game is already in development, driven by the team here in Montreal. This is the goal we have been working toward for years now, and every member of our team is proud, excited, and humbled to take on the responsibility for the next game.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Alisha on November 12, 2012, 07:25:34 PM
you probally shoulda put that bit about sheperd dying in spoiler tags but oh well im not the type to complain about spoilers. and knows that knowledge could actually enhance my enjoyment of the 3 games when i pick up the trilogy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on November 13, 2012, 08:42:47 PM
So apparently some PC copies of Black Ops 2 actually contained Mass Effect 2 on disc 2 instead.

The jokes write themselves.

..and BioWare's offering (some of) these people who had this problem, copies of the ME trilogy for free.

http://blog.bioware.com/2012/11/13/were-answering-the-call/
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 19, 2012, 04:26:49 AM
"The Wii U version of Mass Effect 3 will not receive upcoming add-on Omega, publisher EA has announced.

While the Wii U version includes some DLC content on its disc, major episodes such as the previously-launched Leviathan and the upcoming Omega have been left separate. Many assumed these would be available via the Wii U eShop. This now appears not to be the case."


Source: Eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-11-19-mass-effect-3-omega-dlc-will-not-be-available-for-wii-u) (via: Twitter)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on November 19, 2012, 12:47:06 PM
Not surprised. They're including all the free MP content, I believe, just not the paid SP stuff. So, I doubt they'll get From Ashes either.

Speaking of Wii U, this is the Genesis comic that ME3U comes with. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhO_AV_ph18&feature=player_embedded The first part is the same that PS3 players got, and the second part (that covers ME2) starts at about 18:18. Interesting choices they have you make here...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on November 26, 2012, 03:16:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEJ48aU--sg&feature=g-all-u

Hahahaha you can have a 'moment' with Aria it seems (it's just a trailer so you don't see,.... well, anything)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 02, 2012, 07:00:52 PM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2pphoo7.png)

Tali'zorah by trpbootan

"Finished Mass Effect 3, loved 90% of the game. 5% I disliked was the ending and the other 5% is the reason for this painting.... I wanted to see a full rendered 3d face for Tail since 07 and all we got was a stock photo, bleh. I want to rant about stuff but no, the continuation of the series is much more important than an ending or a face...

This is my take on her face, I have my wild imagination to paint her face and add stuff to it. The skin looks dry and crusted because she sounds amphibious to me and I would guess removing that mask would cause her skin to get dry because of the lack of moisture from when her mask is on. I think Bioware made her eyes greyed as well because if the quarrians are in fact amphibious there would be a film over their eyes to protect it under water, dunno... imagination at work, lol"


Source: deviantART (http://trpbootan.deviantart.com/art/Tali-zorah-290279668)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Annubis on December 02, 2012, 11:11:17 PM
Fans do what Bioware don't.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on December 04, 2012, 01:32:32 AM
Please tell me someone besides me played Omega. I know it's $15 but I can't be the only one.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Agent D. on December 04, 2012, 03:10:33 AM
Please tell me someone besides me played Omega. I know it's $15 but I can't be the only one.
No ma'am. Sorry, but the dlc for ME3 can go to hell. I'm still infuriated about how they can release story content THAT WON'T CHANGE THE FUCKING STORY!!! Seriously, it's beyond me. Multiplayer dlc, I'm down. Extra events post story, sounds good. But anything that happens during the several days of time where shepard does his (or her) thing is a waste. Sorry if it makes me a hater... I already gave them like 30 bucks in ms points for spectre packs.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Ranadiel on December 04, 2012, 07:31:19 AM
Please tell me someone besides me played Omega. I know it's $15 but I can't be the only one.
Eh, Omega is the least interesting DLC idea so far for ME3. I wouldn't have been tempted to get it even if I hadn't uninstalled ME3 around the time of the extended cut release. Only thing I'm curious about regarding it is whether you can kill Aria. That is a presumably Renagade option that my otherwise pure Paragon would take if given.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Taelus on December 04, 2012, 01:06:30 PM
Please tell me someone besides me played Omega. I know it's $15 but I can't be the only one.
Eh, Omega is the least interesting DLC idea so far for ME3. I wouldn't have been tempted to get it even if I hadn't uninstalled ME3 around the time of the extended cut release. Only thing I'm curious about regarding it is whether you can kill Aria. That is a presumably Renagade option that my otherwise pure Paragon would take if given.

I doubt it. Bioware is in love with the character and seems to think their audience is, too. (And I'm sure some do.)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 05, 2012, 10:48:06 PM
"BioWare "all hands on deck" for new Mass Effect 3 DLC (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-12-05-bioware-all-hands-on-deck-for-new-mass-effect-3-dlc). Eight writers on board, main ME3 composer and Seth Green to return." -- Source: Eurogamer
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Carter83 on December 07, 2012, 02:40:33 AM
Please tell me someone besides me played Omega. I know it's $15 but I can't be the only one.
I played it, too, and I liked it. There were some parts with really good atmosphere, such as the mines, and overall it was interesting to see more of Omega. Plus, I really like Aria.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on December 07, 2012, 02:54:44 AM
For me it's at the point where I don't expect to see the ending changed by any of the DLC. It's more that even though I know what happens/can happen in the end, I don't want to see the end of Shepard's time yet, even if it means going back and playing DLC that takes place before the Cerberus base.

tl;dr I want to spend more time with my FemShep even though she's a horrible human being.

On Omega.. yeah I wrote the review already but I loved it for what it was. The price tag is a bit of a pill to swallow, but I take solace in the fact that I don't use MSP for premium spectre packs ;) I'm not Aria's *biggest* fan, but she's an interesting character (and no you can't kill her - I wonder how many players would pay $15 to do that though), and I really loved Omega in ME2 for all its hellholishness. I just wish the creepy part with the adjutants in the dark room had been, uh, creepier. Also I really need to up my SP difficulty after all my MP time....

On the new DLC, I'm really curious. It sounds way more significant than the first three (Kaidan's VA is in it too, and I'm sure many are, they just didn't tweet about it), and with that many writers... hmmm. I'm also feeling like it's going to be the last one for ME3 SP, and then that's it for Shepard.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 12, 2012, 02:07:44 PM
ADMIN WARNING: INTERVIEW IS NOT LEGITIMATE

GamerSyndrome talks with BioWare about the Mass Effect series (http://gamersyndrome.com/2012/video-games/gamersyndrome-talks-with-bioware-about-the-mass-effect-series/)

GamerSyndrome: Since Shepard's story is over, is there anything you wish was different or wanted to add into the original Trilogy? Whether it was multiplayer in Mass Effect 2 or missions or ideas that didn't make it into the final products.

BioWare: We are proud of what has been released and the fan base reaction to the games. In any game from any video game company, there's always things that you look back and say, could we have changed this? Could we have added that? One of the mission ideas that got scrapped was actually going onto Palaven, the turian home world, and being able to see what their world was like. We also scrapped the original ending for Mass Effect 3. We were gonna have it as a "boss battle", where Commander Shepard would go up and fight The Illusive Man who has been transformed by The Reapers. We scrapped that idea because way too many [games] have that as their ending, some final boss fight. Ultimately, we are proud of the finished products in the Mass Effect series and stand by them.

GS: That actually sounded like it could have been cool to fight The Illusive Man like that.

BioWare: Yeah, it might have been but we wanted an ending that didn't copy what other games have done before. So a boss battle wasn’t really where we wanted it to go.

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2qwodj9.png)

GS: Now that another Mass Effect game has been announced, why was it decided to not only change studios (Edmonton to Montreal) but also to change game engines? Will we still experience the same style, choices, and action we’ve come to know in Mass Effect games? Does changing engines delay the games release date?

BioWare: While I can't comment on why it changed studios, fans can expect a similar style of choices and action that they've come to know in Mass Effect. Casey Hudson is very much involved in the new Mass Effect game, as well as many from Edmonton. BioWare Montreal is a great studio and they did fantastic with the multiplayer for Mass Effect 3, so fans should know the series is in good hands. The game isn't far along in development so I can't comment on specifics because they isn't any yet, Frostbite 2 is a really good game engine that we are also using on Dragon Age 3. As far as release date, there's nothing to be announced yet. You'll hear more about the new Mass Effect game [next year] in 2013.

GS: If you were to give a rough idea on a release window, what would you say?

BioWare: Late 2014 to Mid 2015. I honestly can't tell you an exact because full development on the game started a month or two ago.

ADMIN WARNING: INTERVIEW IS NOT LEGITIMATE
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on December 13, 2012, 11:26:20 PM
lol, the interview was wiped because it's not an 'official BioWare statement.'

I'm kinda glad TIM wasn't a boss fight, it just would seem odd to fight him physically. I also thought that's why we were stuck with Kai Leng, as lame as he was.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Taelus on December 13, 2012, 11:29:19 PM
In other words, it is counter to their belligerent "artistic integrity" stance of refusing to admit any sort of missteps in the finale's design process.

Still, that's a shame. It was an interesting interview.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Eusis on December 14, 2012, 12:08:31 AM
Threw warnings on about the interview not being legitimate. I actually think it may be better to delete it, but I imagine it's of interest to see a piece of complete bullshit. Aside from the bit from the artbook (Actually, should that be posted anyway? Guess it could count as fair use?)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 14, 2012, 12:35:29 AM
Aside from the bit from the artbook (Actually, should that be posted anyway? Guess it could count as fair use?)

I put that only as reference.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on December 14, 2012, 12:42:37 AM
Nothing wrong with posting a single page out of the artbook, and it was relevant (reaper!TIM).

I still wish there had been more of Harbinger and his creepy quotes in ME3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Alisha on December 14, 2012, 04:51:36 AM
i just got got ME trilogy. how the hell do you melee in ME1? im a vanguard so thats kinda important. when i press circle it just puts my weapon away.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Cyril on December 14, 2012, 07:25:03 AM
You don't, at least not as easily as ME3.

If I remember correctly, the enemy needs to be right on top of you, then hit whatever is your gun trigger.  It's a bit primitive and limited.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Annubis on December 14, 2012, 07:53:33 AM
In ME1, you want to play the caster one (Adept?).
It is so incredibly broken it's amazing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Agent D. on December 14, 2012, 11:42:47 AM
In ME1, you want to play the caster one (Adept?).
It is so incredibly broken it's amazing.
In the higher difficulties, this is accurate because powers did more damage then ammunition. However, soldier class generally tore through easy and normal, and even hard with no trouble. Just need to stay on top of your weaponry.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on December 14, 2012, 12:56:19 PM
Vanguard is really not that great unless you want a soldier with some biotics. It gets better with ME2 and especially 3. I'll second soldier though, lots of useful powers. I abused Marksman a LOT (I think vanguard has marksman too).

You also can't melee until ME2, sadly.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Taelus on December 14, 2012, 01:20:42 PM
I enjoyed Vanguard in ME1. Get overload (or whatever it's called)  and an awesome shotgun, then laugh as you one shot everything.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Parn on December 14, 2012, 01:26:55 PM
Max out lift.  Put maximum +force mods into your shotgun.  Go directly under an enemy that you've just used lift on.  Point skyward.  Fire your shotgun.

Lulz ensue.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on December 14, 2012, 02:17:25 PM
I enjoyed Vanguard in ME1. Get overload (or whatever it's called)  and an awesome shotgun, then laugh as you one shot everything.

This. Well, I also modded my shotguns to take down geth easily while I modded heavy pistols to deal with organics. I really didn't use the ME1 Vanguard's biotic powers much though.

Fast forward to ME3, where my vanguard Shep barely uses bullets, ever.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Draak on December 14, 2012, 04:20:52 PM
Max out lift.  Put maximum +force mods into your shotgun.  Go directly under an enemy that you've just used lift on.  Point skyward.  Fire your shotgun.

Lulz ensue.

So true. There's Lift + Throw too.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Alisha on December 15, 2012, 05:57:41 PM
im starting to think ME1 is just a horrible game and i should consider skipping to ME 2. im on the planet where you have to find the matriarch's daughter and theres a scripted battle where i've died about 10 times. once the battle starts i cant even retreat and regroup because some red laser hits me and 1 shots me.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Agent D. on December 17, 2012, 07:28:20 PM
Honestly, you should battle througb, even if its boring as fuck. I suggest using the power wheel more, as it does stop everything around you and let you aim and I.D. targets that you can hit with squad powers. If it really doean't help enough, you can change the difficulty down to easy for the fight...

The point is you need to experience the first game to develop your own shepard. It will be worth it in the end, Alisha.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on December 17, 2012, 07:57:26 PM
Anyone else still playing MP? I solo'ed a Bronze match with an N7 Slayer. It was kind of hard though. lol
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: D-Rider on December 17, 2012, 08:30:42 PM
im starting to think ME1 is just a horrible game and i should consider skipping to ME 2. im on the planet where you have to find the matriarch's daughter and theres a scripted battle where i've died about 10 times. once the battle starts i cant even retreat and regroup because some red laser hits me and 1 shots me.

No lie, that part is the only big hurdle in the game.  I die there at least once every time I play through the game.  If you can beat that, you can beat anything and everything else that the game throws at you, so keep trying.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Eusis on December 17, 2012, 11:07:16 PM
It doesn't help that a game ending glitch can frequently happen there. May make funny screens though.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Alisha on December 18, 2012, 05:57:18 PM
cleared the 1st game. now i dont know how to convert my save lol. maybe a patch js required but my internet has been down since saturday. *shakez fist at cox*
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Agent D. on December 19, 2012, 07:21:38 PM
cleared the 1st game. now i dont know how to convert my save lol. maybe a patch js required but my internet has been down since saturday. *shakez fist at cox*
Just start the second game, it'll ask if you have save data from ME1 and then look for it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Alisha on December 19, 2012, 11:21:46 PM
i did and it didnt ask ps3 version requires a patch.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Alisha on January 04, 2013, 12:51:41 AM
i didnt think i'd care but having my fem shep engage lesbian relations with traynor was strangely satisfying. on another note my fem shep face was butchered from ME 2->3. ashley let herself go and im back to super butch ME 1 look. also...bioware refuses to make a pure melee class yet makes me fight cerberus ninja's? wat?

for comparison.
(http://i.imgur.com/llvLy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Jn9LL.jpg)

since im late to the party when's the best time to do the various dlc missions?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Alisha on January 06, 2013, 10:43:23 PM
finished ME 3 last night. so it took me from dec 14 - jan 6 to complete all 3 games. it was a fun ride and i still need to do leviathan and omega. i didnt think the ending was that bad however i came pretty close to crying when traynor was putting sheppard's name on the memorial. so obviously i chose destroy. i heard you can have sheppard live but id have to do multiplayer to raise readyness. my war assests were at 5098 with 50% readyness. i do wish the game had a better epilougue though. i wanna know what became of the characters? also i dont understand why the pulse wrecked the normandy but not the alliance ships. did the pulse destroy the geth?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on January 06, 2013, 10:47:10 PM
The pulse wrecked the Normandy because it went through a mass relay just before all the relays exploded. The other ships didn't - they stayed around Earth to fight.

If you picked Destroy the pulse should have destroyed the geth and EDI.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Ranadiel on January 07, 2013, 07:45:15 AM
The pulse wrecked the Normandy because it went through a mass relay just before all the relays exploded. The other ships didn't - they stayed around Earth to fight.

If you picked Destroy the pulse should have destroyed the geth and EDI.

I believe that's only in the original ending. In the modified ending, everyone ran away and I believe the Normandy is the last to retreat. Whether the others got damaged is never really addressed.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 07, 2013, 03:33:29 PM
Quick question for DLC on the PS3 Trilogy-

When I want to buy add ons for ME 2 and 3 do I just go to their individual sections on the PSN (for the original games), is there going to be a specific section for the Trilogy instead (since GotY-style editions sometimes create their own DLC pools from the original), or is there a 'DLC' option from the game's main menu itself?

Just curious since I'm thinking of picking it up this afternoon.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on January 07, 2013, 03:37:45 PM
ME2 in the PS3 version of the trilogy is the same as the standalone version that came out two years ago. That is, it comes with all the DLC EXCEPT Arrival. That should be the only DLC you need to purchase. (Three of them are on-disc, and the Cerberus Network comes in the form of a code packaged in.)

ME3's trilogy version doesn't come with any DLC whatsoever, so you can just buy whatever DLC you're interested in. I wasn't a fan of From Ashes from a $10-pricetag standpoint. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Alisha on January 07, 2013, 04:16:12 PM
ME 2 also doesnt come with the weapon and costume packs.
played leviathan and MP last night good times. i want to play omega but $15...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on January 07, 2013, 04:24:37 PM
Yeah, I always forget about weapon and costume packs. Because I never buy them - but yeah, they're not included. Usually they're only a couple bucks per pack anyway.

Omega is cool, but only worth the price of entry if you're really interested in seeing Aria and Omega again. (I really should have played it on a higher difficulty myself.)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Alisha on January 07, 2013, 08:41:55 PM
in me2 i bougut the geth shotgun pack for my vanguard. i also bought a shotgun pack in me3 but ended up using that really powerful handgun instead due to the weight system.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on January 07, 2013, 10:38:45 PM
Vanguards needs little more than pistols and their fists anyway in ME3.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Alisha on January 07, 2013, 11:34:49 PM
i never could decide on a decent bonus power for vanguard.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on January 08, 2013, 12:28:24 PM
Honestly there's not a ton of options that suit her. Reave is a good biotic power if you have access to it, or if you ever end up doing the Omega DLC, Flare is a great one to have. (A bit of a long cool down but worth it)

Edit: By the way, Alisha, I really like how your Shepard turned out.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on February 21, 2013, 03:43:23 PM
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2013/1112.html

http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/Mass_Effect_3/index2.html

I would have liked new maps too, but female turians? Geth Juggernaut? I'LL TAKE IT.

Citadel is totally fanservice but I don't care I want it. I'm excited it's all so *soon*.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: (Tunnels) on February 21, 2013, 11:54:52 PM
I'm excited for Citadel. Now that this will be the final DLC, I might have to get all the single player stuff and replay with one of my alt-Sheps. Maybe finally do a gay Shep and romance Cortez. Decisions, decisions.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on February 25, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
Oh shit there's a playable Collector kit in the new MP DLC.

(http://i.imgur.com/aYeJbc4.jpg)

I can't wait to play Collectors with him.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Agent D. on February 25, 2013, 09:46:54 PM
Assuming direct control.....this next update!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on March 04, 2013, 02:54:37 PM
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2013/1147.html

Hard to think this is it for Shepard-era Mass Effect.

It's been more or less suggested to me to play Citadel after everything in the game's been done except Cronos Station. Lots to do in this DLC, apparently.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Alisha on March 04, 2013, 03:33:11 PM
hmn im sorta looking forward to this. havent played ME3 since i beat the leviathan dlc

edit:just watched the trailer. i always feel a disconnect seeing male shep
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Annubis on March 04, 2013, 03:50:05 PM
I'm just wondering how this works out for people who shot Wrex =/
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on March 04, 2013, 04:35:24 PM
Or watched Ashley shoot him in my case. :(

Yeah. I'm really annoyed with myself for not having a Wrex-alive save for this.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: (Tunnels) on March 04, 2013, 05:10:39 PM
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2013/1147.html

Hard to think this is it for Shepard-era Mass Effect.

It's been more or less suggested to me to play Citadel after everything in the game's been done except Cronos Station. Lots to do in this DLC, apparently.

That trailer almost made me tear up. Stupid ME and stupid feelings!

OMG They made a Blasto comic.  (https://digital.darkhorse.com/profile/2613.mass-effect-blasto-eternity-is-forever/)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on March 06, 2013, 03:37:59 PM
Well. Citadel gave me a lot of feelings.

Protip: Do everything possible pre-Cronos Station before you start this DLC, ESPECIALLY locking in your love interest. There is lots to do. Fanservicey, but fun, and all rightly so given this is it for Shepard content. Really great love letter to fans.

AND SO MANY MULTIPLAYER REFERENCES I LOVE IT
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: GrimReality on March 06, 2013, 03:49:33 PM
I rarely bother with DLC, but I'm tempted to pick this up.
What is Cronos Station? Another DLC? What do you mean by everything possible? In the normal game, or including extra stuff? So should I not bother with this if I've never played through any DLC content?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on March 06, 2013, 04:17:24 PM
Cronos Station is in the main game where you take it to the Cerberus Base. Last thing before final final mission.

Other DLC doesn't impact this one AFAIK. I just mean the other stuff in ME3 proper like all the other priority missions (Tuchanka, Rannoch etc) and side missions where you meet old squad mates (Grissom Academy for Jack, Sanctuary for Miranda etc).

In other news this weekend's multiplayer operation should be fun. Insanity version calls for Platinum extractions against each of the enemy factions - including Collectors.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: (Tunnels) on March 07, 2013, 01:00:32 AM
Sooo, I totes prepped myself for a full-fledged ME saga play through. I picked up all the ME3 DLC (except for the weapon packs), and I'll get the last DLC I missed for 2 (Overlord), and play through the whole saga. I have a Shep back in 1 who I never finished, so I'm gonna finish 1 up with him, go through 2 with all the DLC, and do 3, with all the new content. I haven't played 3 since beating it (and that was before the Extended Cut, so I haven't even seen that), so there should be quite a bit of new stuff to look forward to for my 2nd time around.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Taelus on March 07, 2013, 02:55:39 AM
So, how'd people feel about the new DLC?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: GrimReality on March 07, 2013, 09:56:30 AM
Sooo, I totes prepped myself for a full-fledged ME saga play through. I picked up all the ME3 DLC (except for the weapon packs), and I'll get the last DLC I missed for 2 (Overlord), and play through the whole saga. I have a Shep back in 1 who I never finished, so I'm gonna finish 1 up with him, go through 2 with all the DLC, and do 3, with all the new content. I haven't played 3 since beating it (and that was before the Extended Cut, so I haven't even seen that), so there should be quite a bit of new stuff to look forward to for my 2nd time around.
I actually am thinking about getting the PS3 Trilogy and doing the same thing. My 360 tried really hard to ruin my experience by corrupting save files left and right. I had to fly through 3, missing a bunch of side missions, because of it. I'd be happy never to use my 360 again.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: Agent D. on March 07, 2013, 11:59:35 AM
Been playing the new MP stuff, and I am in love with the Geth Juggernaut. I walk around and eat hits all day, cuz I have 4600 shields and a melee hit that absorbs damage into shield restoration. Between that, my turret on heal mode, and Siege pulse with 40% damage reduction when fully charged, I can solo multiple mobs on gold with little effort. I love it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on March 07, 2013, 12:19:10 PM
Juggernaut is good stuff. I don't have one but having one or two in my party means Platinum is less scary. They grab the big, sync-killing enemies, I wipe out the little guys.

Krogan warlord though.. Ehh... too melee dependent and can get grabbed a LOT.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kofvscapcom on May 28, 2013, 09:57:12 PM
anyone here play the multiplayer on ps3? Gotten most of the new characters but haven't gathered my courage or a party to play on gold or platinum yet.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kyuusei on May 28, 2013, 10:05:34 PM
I have a very, very limited manifest on PS3 because I've put about 99% of my multiplayer time into the 360 version and I have practically everything EXCEPT FOR A GOD DAMN CERBERUS HARRIER

You could probably still pull off Gold and/or Platinum with the right characters, but it'd be a lot harder with random players. And I haven't done so on PS3 as I don't have the characters I love, except the asari valkyrie.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 (expect spoilers for the entire series)
Post by: kofvscapcom on May 28, 2013, 10:14:36 PM
well I got the geth juggernaut already and I hear he's super broken, so I'll probably give him a shot.

Ok so I leveled my Juggernaut and it's pretty rare to even die on gold now, I can tank a banshee and 2 brutes at the same time. Side note, can't be instakilled, aaawwww yyyyeeeeaaa.