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Title: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: John on March 22, 2011, 07:58:34 PM
So, review is up, the game is out and on PSN.  Anyone have a chance to snag it?
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on March 22, 2011, 08:05:00 PM
I haven't even played the original...

Was the first good? And will it spoil FF stories for me (much)?
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: John on March 22, 2011, 08:06:56 PM
I haven't even played the original...

Was the first good? And will it spoil FF stories for me (much)?

Well, at this point, there's little reason to get the first - once you complete the second game, you actually get the content from the first game as well.

The stories are unrelated, but the game pretty much features 1 or 2 of the main characters from a FF title and the big baddy.  No real spoilers that I can recall.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on March 22, 2011, 08:13:04 PM
I haven't even played the original...

Was the first good? And will it spoil FF stories for me (much)?

Well, at this point, there's little reason to get the first - once you complete the second game, you actually get the content from the first game as well.

The stories are unrelated, but the game pretty much features 1 or 2 of the main characters from a FF title and the big baddy.  No real spoilers that I can recall.

I'll have to put this into my "maybe I should try this some time" backlog for when I steal my friend's PSP (come release date of PS2 that is).
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on March 22, 2011, 08:35:03 PM
I haven't even played the original...

Was the first good? And will it spoil FF stories for me (much)?
It spoils them a little. 4's is spoiled the worst from what i remember, but really the story isn't worth your time you can just skip the cutscenes if you want to.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Alisha on March 22, 2011, 08:59:48 PM
enlighten me...is this an rpg a fighting game or a little of both?
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 22, 2011, 09:03:20 PM
from Square Enix N.A. (http://release.square-enix.com/na/2011/03/22_03.html)

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DLC Schedule

3/22   Aerith (Assist Character)
Free with purchase of DISSIDIA duodecim prologus FINAL FANTASY®

3/22   Lightning: Aya Brea (Costume)
Voucher: Pack-in with The 3rd Birthday®

3/22   Cloud: KINGDOM HEARTS Gear (Costume)
Voucher: Preorder with GameStop

3/22   Tifa: Enforcer (Costume)
Voucher: Preorder with Amazon

3/29   Warrior of Light: Nameless Warrior (Costume)
Free at the PlayStation®Store

There are also alt. costumes for the characters of Final Fantasy IV and IX, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: John on March 22, 2011, 09:08:09 PM
enlighten me...is this an rpg a fighting game or a little of both?

It's a fighting game at its core, but every system is driven by RPG statistics, customization, etc.  Even when some people talk about the quest modes in like Soul Calibur IV as being RPG-like, it's not even close to what Dissidia does.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Alisha on March 22, 2011, 09:34:40 PM
ah thanks for that info!
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on March 22, 2011, 09:38:06 PM
My sister got it and I got to play it as well.The RPG mode and Action Mode are separate so you can play either way you want.

I use Lightning mostly so its really fun using her fast attacks and sword sweeps.

Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Cyril on March 22, 2011, 09:52:07 PM
Just got it, along with some free Tifa costume DLC.  Starting now.  I mained Firion with a side of Kuja/Sephiroth/Emperor last game, so I'm going to do my absolute best to not touch them in this one.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Kevadu on March 23, 2011, 02:28:19 AM
I have to say, I really didn't like the first game.  It's like they took a fighting game concept but removed the element of skill that makes fighting games compelling and replaced it with grinding.  But unlike an RPG there was no story to move things forward.  OK, there was a 'story' of sorts, but it was completely terrible and almost totally unrelated to the actual fighting.  On top of that the game couldn't even do grinding right.  You got huge XP bonuses for doing things like finishing matches quickly or without taking any damage, which meant that it was actually faster to grind against easy enemies than challenging ones.  And if you're a collector then there were various items and things scattered in every stage that are really only accessible if you're completely over-leveled for that stage.  So in the end you were encouraged to do the same fights over and over again even when you were massively over-leveled and the enemies you were fighting didn't present even the slightest threat.

It is certainly possible to waste a lot of time in these games if you're the obsessive collecting type.  But when you look back that's exactly what it feels like: a waste.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on March 23, 2011, 04:13:29 AM
I have to say, I really didn't like the first game.  It's like they took a fighting game concept but removed the element of skill that makes fighting games compelling and replaced it with grinding.  But unlike an RPG there was no story to move things forward.  OK, there was a 'story' of sorts, but it was completely terrible and almost totally unrelated to the actual fighting.  On top of that the game couldn't even do grinding right.  You got huge XP bonuses for doing things like finishing matches quickly or without taking any damage, which meant that it was actually faster to grind against easy enemies than challenging ones.  And if you're a collector then there were various items and things scattered in every stage that are really only accessible if you're completely over-leveled for that stage.  So in the end you were encouraged to do the same fights over and over again even when you were massively over-leveled and the enemies you were fighting didn't present even the slightest threat.

It is certainly possible to waste a lot of time in these games if you're the obsessive collecting type.  But when you look back that's exactly what it feels like: a waste.
Well if you don't like grinding there's always the arcade mode. Though it wont give you much of anything for playing it.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Cyril on March 23, 2011, 06:04:27 AM
Posting my impressions, as someone who spent 100+ hours on the first. Obviously this is meant for people who enjoyed the first game.

First and foremost, while the story is quite pretentious it's also much improved.  You can see the Chaos stories now and they're quite interesting.  Kefka, however, completely steals the show.  The voice actor, the voice director, and the localization team did an amazingly brilliant job with him.  He's perfect. Far and away the best character and much, much improved from the original.  This coming from someone who finds him to be a rather overrated villain in general.  

Second, as I noticed mentioned in the review, there's a time in Laguna's story where you come out of the "dungeon" and hear an Eyes on Me Piano arrangement.  I know a lot of you don't like FFVIII, but this is really a moment that took my breath away.  The song is simple, fitting, memorable, and nostalgic at the same time.  Laguna is the true tragic character in VIII, despite acting like a fool.

Anyway, on to gameplay.
I'm horrible at playing Lightning.  She has some interesting moves, like a tracking Water Ball like the Emperor's orbs that are excellent for distraction.  She seems to play like a modified Squall mixed with Cecil.  That is, she's focused on quick, short range attacks mixed with magic, but she can switch "styles" like Cecil can. I can see her being a beast in the hands of a skilled player.

Despite me not liking his character, I love how Vaan plays.  This probably stems from me maining Firion for 100 hours, but Vaan just feels right  I can see myself spending a lot of time with him in the future. Vaan plays a lot like Firion from the original (since Firion has been modified and is actually one of the stronger characters now), but with the addition of Terra-like Magic. He has his own version of Flood and Tornado, for example, as well as a nice Quake ability. He also has a crossbow attack that acts like Laguna's machine gun that is rather all-purpose.
On the negative side, he doesn't have many HP attacks besides spells, though they are tracking attacks.  He also has some issues with ranged attackers - another trait he and Firion share.

Laguna is fun to play as, but I'm not very good with him.  I like his machine gun Brave Attack and his HP attacks are both varied and useful.  Some are hard to use though, like his sniper rifle, but are also very powerful.

Terra and Kuja feel different.  They don't play exactly the same.  Kuja feels a like he was hit with the nerf bat (again), and Terra has lost some range on her abilities.  I'm not high enough in level with them to comment on higher level play, but that's what it feels like at low levels.

Kefka received a buff and fighting him on any difficulty above easy shows this.  For example, his Brave attacks have quite high priority now.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: RpgN on March 24, 2011, 07:17:48 PM
Dissidia is a lot of fun. I went back to it after playing Prologus in preparation for Duodicem. It's nice that is has so much depth and options, but it's understandable that it can be very overwhelming at the beginning. Also it's awesome seeing FF characters from all the games together and having some moments of nostalgia from the past. Like how Firion holds his sword on the original game's artwork, you can see that expression and stance before he fought the Emperor on Dissidia. I'm having a blast with it. Can't wait to get into the sequel and play with the new characters :D
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Agent D. on March 24, 2011, 08:12:14 PM
I hated the first dissidia, felt too much like a shitty dragonball tenkaichi, and the designs for the characters were HORRIBLE (WTF BARTZ!!!). If this plays the same, idc how much of tifa's huge boobs they put in it, no thanks.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Fadedsun on March 24, 2011, 08:14:25 PM
I hated the first dissidia, felt too much like a shitty dragonball tenkaichi, and the designs for the characters were HORRIBLE (WTF BARTZ!!!). If this plays the same, idc how much of tifa's huge boobs they put in it, no thanks.

I owned Dissidia for a bit before I traded it in toward the purchase of my 3DS. It got very boring after a while. I can't imagine this version changing my mind. If this was a 2D, or even a 2.5D fighting game, then I think it would be much better.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Dice on March 24, 2011, 11:30:24 PM
I hated the first dissidia, felt too much like a shitty dragonball tenkaichi, and the designs for the characters were HORRIBLE (WTF BARTZ!!!). If this plays the same, idc how much of tifa's huge boobs they put in it, no thanks.

Haha Bartz's non-sprite clothes made him look like a male ballerina in... like....well, a male lead for Swan Lake.  His Zebra outfit didn't make things better.

Mind you, I think a lot of the 2nd alternative outfits are absolutely awesome.

And fuck y'all; Terra's hair is FUCKING GREEN.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Cyril on March 25, 2011, 12:28:49 AM
I owned Dissidia for a bit before I traded it in toward the purchase of my 3DS. It got very boring after a while. I can't imagine this version changing my mind. If this was a 2D, or even a 2.5D fighting game, then I think it would be much better.

Funny, I think I would absolutely hate the game if it were 2D and I don't see how it would improve the game.   The 3D and air combat really lets it "feel" like a fight between FF characters.  If anything, SE got the "feel" right.

Also, some more comments now that I'm on Chapter 8.

- The game actually requires you to learn the characters this time around.  In the original you could learn one character and button mash the rest of the characters.  But in this one, you have to spend the time using all of the new characters.  I like that.  It doesn't feel like they're just tossed in the game.

- The story is actually more interesting this time.  Less corny and tacky.  There are still  palm-to-forehead moments, but overall I find I'm actually interested in the story this time compared to being completely apathetic in Dissidia 1. Also
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There's this one scene where you play as Sephiroth threatening Tifa.  I really liked that.
Most of the "villain" scenes have you playing as Terra and other "reformed" villains, like Kuja.
Yes, Kuja is as a "reformed" villain in this game.  But Sephiroth is being truly villainous in the scene and I
appreciated the "I'm being evil" moment.

- Yuna is fun to play as.  Her learning curve seemed a bit easy, like Terra's from 1.  That means she's probably harder to play as later.

- Tifa has the potential to be an absolute beast in the hands of a player skilled with her feints.  I can see her dominating.  But in the hands of the AI, she's horrible and all of her potential is wasted.   She's not really my type of character, as I prefer more of a mid range, but I can see how and why someone would like to use her.  Also, her post battle quote "You needed more training.  Just kidding!" is obnoxious.

I haven't unlocked the last hidden characters yet, but I don't think any of them are my "style" so to speak. But hey, I might be surprised.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on March 25, 2011, 01:24:55 AM
Gabranth better still play the same (and still be in the game for that matter) or I'm gonna be fucking pissed
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Cyril on March 25, 2011, 01:57:36 AM
I'm not a big Gabranth player so I can't tell you how much he's been changed, but I can tell you he is in the game and he does still rely on EX Mode.
All of the characters have had some tweaks though, and feel slightly different from their counterparts in the original. You might want to expect some differences in range, priority, or speed.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on March 25, 2011, 02:05:17 AM
I'm not a big Gabranth player so I can't tell you how much he's been changed, but I can tell you he is in the game and he does still rely on EX Mode.
All of the characters have had some tweaks though, and feel slightly different from their counterparts in the original. You might want to expect some differences in range, priority, or speed.
As long as he's still around and relies on EX mode is all i care about.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Gen Eric Gui on March 25, 2011, 02:59:27 PM
I hated the first dissidia, felt too much like a shitty dragonball tenkaichi, and the designs for the characters were HORRIBLE (WTF BARTZ!!!). If this plays the same, idc how much of tifa's huge boobs they put in it, no thanks.

As a fan of Amano's original artwork for the FF series, I have to say that Bartz's costume was amazing.  He's actually one of my favorite designs from the original game.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 26, 2011, 06:36:05 AM
Esper Battle -arrange- from FFXII (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss0K0-d5ENs&hd=1)
Canto Mortis ~An Undocumented Battle~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYJCN9zEfs&hd=1)
Cantata Mortis & God in Fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmo584truz8&hd=1)

So good.
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Andrew on March 27, 2011, 06:56:55 PM
My question is which Dissidia is worth having? I currently own the first, but I'm not really a big enough fan to justify buying and holding onto both. If I buy the second I'll probably sell off the first. So is the second one better enough to warrant buying it and selling the first off? Or is the first one similar enough I might as well just pass on the second?
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Cyril on March 27, 2011, 07:33:22 PM
The second game has the entire main storyline and SI of the original Dissidia built into it.  The only thing you'll be missing is some of Dissidia 1's item-gathering modes, which were effectively unending streams of battles.  To replace these they've added a "Labyrinth" mode which is actually quite fun.  

While Dissidia 012 does add quite a few new features, balancing, and whatnot, it really still is basically "more, enhanced, of the same." The addition of parties requires you to learn how to play more than one character, for example. The original Dissidia storyline maps have the explorable overworld now.

Not to mention that you can transfer your data from Dissidia 1 to Dissidia 012.  This doesn't transfer everything, mind you. Equipment and accessories do not transfer, but things that you bought in the catalog such as alternate stages/outfits, and playable characters, will all be unlocked at the start if they were unlocked with your Dissidia 1 data. You can also choose to transfer levels and Mastered skills.

The only reason (and, depending on who you are, it could be a huge reason) you'd want to keep the original Dissidia once you own Dissidia 012 is if you main Terra.  Terra plays completely differently and has overall taken a large nerf in Dissidia 012.  
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Andrew on March 27, 2011, 07:36:12 PM
The only reason (and, depending on who you are, it could be a huge reason) you'd want to keep the original Dissidia once you own Dissidia 012 is if you main Terra.  Terra plays completely differently and has overall taken a large nerf in Dissidia 012.  

>.> Great. I played Terra... -_-

Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: Yggdrasil on March 30, 2011, 01:05:15 PM
Info about the new DLC for Dissidia 012:

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- Zidane and Kuja's costumes are 300yen each, coming out next week.

- FFIX BGM Set (3 tracks) is also 300yen, out next week.

- The FFIV BGM Set released today contains: "Golbez, Clad in Darkness", "Within the Giant", and "The Final Battle".

- The FFIX BGM Set will contain: "Sword of Fury", "Festival of the Hunt", and "Rose of May".

There are screens for the new costumes. Both costumes were designed by Minaba, the art director of FFIX (click here to see images (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26680870&postcount=228)).

300 yen was the same price of the demo in Japan, so with that in mind, this DLC should cost $2.99 each. Also, augmented reality (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/03/30/hold-lightning-or-cloud-the-final-fantasy-characters-in-the-palm-of-your-hand/).

http://dlgames.square-enix.com/dissidia_012ar/en/
Title: Re: Dissidia 012[duodecim] Final Fantasy
Post by: RpgN on April 03, 2011, 05:51:34 AM
Yeah, too expensive for one costume and a set of old songs.