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Title: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ULTROS! on June 02, 2011, 12:06:38 PM
E3 Hype!

(http://h3.abload.de/img/noelserahhdme.jpg)
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FINAL FANTASY XIII-2
Developer: Square Enix Co., Ltd.
Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.
Platform: Xbox 360®, PlayStation®3 system
Genre: RPG
ESRB: RP (Rating Pending)
Ship Date: This Winter (NA)

Story Overview:
Set a few years after Lightning and the others saved Cocoon, some survivors have decided to start over by rebuilding on Gran Pulse. Lightning, however, is nowhere to be found and thought dead by many, but Serah believes otherwise. When her town is suddenly overrun by monsters, a mysterious man named Noel appears to save her. Together, the two set off to find Lightning...

FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 is the follow-up to the 2010 hit title, FINAL FANTASY XIII, and the latest installment in the world-renowned FINAL FANTASY series, which has shipped over 97 million units worldwide. FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 features an all-star production staff including producer Yoshinori Kitase, director Motomu Toriyama, character designer Tetsuya Nomura and art director Isamu Kamikokuryo.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on June 02, 2011, 12:13:26 PM
Looks like they're using the same battle system.

Pass.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Seultoria on June 02, 2011, 12:36:22 PM
Is XIII's battle system that bad? I only played an hour of it, so I don't really know.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Annubis on June 02, 2011, 12:37:34 PM
I believe the one and only question every wants an answer to is:
- Will there be towns (that can be visited) ?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on June 02, 2011, 12:52:00 PM
Ahahahaha!!! So now Serah-chan gets to be more than pedo-bait. Too bad, there probably isn't a staff variant more ridiculous than Vannile's Phishing Rods (or a summon more ridiculous than Vannile's Orgasm-bot).

So it looks like another round of following a bunch of half parties nobody gives a shit about doing whatever it is that they're vaguely alluding to as their goal for the time being through super-disjointed magical setpieces-of-whatever land.

Maybe this time they won't make the game into one overly-long continuous corrido-AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Yeah, like THAT'S not going to happen.

Also, what the fuck is NotFang holding in the first picture?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 02, 2011, 12:56:57 PM
Looks like it's the same battle system which is fine by me, let's hope that this time they give us access to everything right from the start, they should just create a separate tutorial for people who haven't played FFXIII.
Serah is playable and that new character isn't the same we saw in the teaser so that's 2 new male characters confirmed.
I'm one of the few people who enjoyed 13 so I'm looking forward to this, though Versus will probably be by far the better game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on June 02, 2011, 01:02:50 PM
I honestly thought FFXIII's battle system was pretty bad.  Which is funny because that was supposed to be the game's best feature.  It had some interesting ideas, but there were a couple of fundamental flaws:

1.  After completely eliminating MP they needed some way to differentiate between physical and magic attacks.  What they came up with was having them affect the break gauge differently (physical attacks raise it very little but slow the rate it falls while magic attacks raise it a lot but it will fall quickly).  This may sound like added depth, but it's not really.  All it means is that you never want to rely on just one or the other but rather always use a combination.  More importantly, to make the whole break system actually relevant they had to give all the enemies stupidly large amounts of HP.  Otherwise you would just kill them before even getting a break.  This means all battles, even regular encounters, tend to drag on and on and on...

2.  While the idea of changing the behavior of your party members according to different roles is interesting, there just aren't enough options for any real stategic variations.  Once you figure out the winning approach for one battle you will quickly realize that it's the exact same winning approach for every battle.  There is really only one strategy in this game.  And you will use it over and over and over since, as mentioned in point 1, battles tend to get dragged out...

So yeah, lengthy battles that all play out exactly the same.  I'm not sure how that's anyone's idea of fun.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on June 02, 2011, 01:07:45 PM
Kevadu echoes my thoughts on the battle system.


I'm not gonna say I won't be getting it. I probably will, just that it won't necessarily be anywhere near the release date.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 02, 2011, 01:08:52 PM
The Battle system was mediocre to decent depending on what area of the game you were at. It got way too slow paced and nonstrategic near the end.

The game's real flaw was the storyline (pure shit) and progression structure (thunderous diarrhea). Now Raituning can come back with her kawaii wings in an even shittier game!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: OkamiGeisha on June 02, 2011, 01:18:15 PM
Serah is playable and that new character isn't the same we saw in the teaser so that's 2 new male characters confirmed.


Now, I'm wondering if Serah did or didn't marry Snow?  I'm interested for sure but hope for a world map and towns.  And the falCie stuff needs to make more sense.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on June 02, 2011, 01:24:02 PM
The Battle system was mediocre to decent depending on what area of the game you were at. It got way too slow paced and nonstrategic near the end.

The game's real flaw was the storyline (pure shit) and progression structure (thunderous diarrhea). Now Raituning can come back with her kawaii wings in an even shittier game!

Sure, I never claimed the battle system was the worst part of that trainwreck of a game.  I just find it funny how people praise the battle system when it has some serious problems...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: msg on June 02, 2011, 01:28:37 PM
I'll probably buy it because its final fantasy, but I wish i'd learn my damn lesson.
Same battle system is the worst news I could have heard, I'll pick it up 2nd hand so its cheap and squeenix dont get any of my money.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on June 02, 2011, 01:49:21 PM
looks like Yuna had sex reassignment surgery.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on June 02, 2011, 02:06:23 PM
I was hoping XIII-2 was an apology for releasing a game that played itself. Sadly, it doesn't look like they changed  much, if anything at all.
I know I shouldn't judge something based on a few screen shots, but I just cant help it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on June 02, 2011, 02:27:16 PM
Kevadu echoes my thoughts on the battle system.


I'm not gonna say I won't be getting it. I probably will, just that it won't necessarily be anywhere near the release date.

This for sure.  I can't afford it, and while I make exceptions, I don't want to afford it right away at the very least.  If the reviews are good, great... but if this is more of the same, than wtf is Squeenix thinking?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on June 02, 2011, 02:30:12 PM
Kevadu echoes my thoughts on the battle system.


I'm not gonna say I won't be getting it. I probably will, just that it won't necessarily be anywhere near the release date.

This for sure.  I can't afford it, and while I make exceptions, I don't want to afford it right away at the very least.  If the reviews are good, great... but if this is more of the same, than wtf is Squeenix thinking?

We will see after E3 I guess, but yeah, if it is more of the same it won't even be a blip on my radar.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 02, 2011, 02:42:13 PM
One thing is certain though, it's hard to take jrpgs seriously after playing the witcher. Maybe I'm just not part of the target audience anymore or maybe japanese developers just don't know any better, but playing games that treat you like an adult sure is refreshing. I doubt we'll ever see that kind of maturity in jrpgs. It's just a completely different world, I'm all for variety and I want japanese games to maintain the features that make them unique but they sure could learn a thing or two from western games.
But yeah, XIII clicked with me so I hope the sequel will be able to grab my attention.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 02, 2011, 02:54:41 PM
One interesting thing that nobody mentioned is the fact that the very first screens to be revealed are already in english. World wide simultaneous release?
The fact that the new character's outfit is similar to Fang's probably isn't a coincidence, though I'm not sure how that would tie in with the story.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on June 02, 2011, 03:23:46 PM
most people probally dont care about this but i wonder if they will give some clarity on the relationship between vanille and fang.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Bytor on June 02, 2011, 03:39:21 PM
I don't really mind if they use the same battle system but I'd like to see it tweaked a bit. I actually wish it would be slowed down just a bit so I could see more of what was happening as opposed to numbers flying all over the screen. I like watching the game I'm playing , not staring at my HP numbers go up and down and my attack numbers flashing seemingly non-stop across the screen.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: hell_snake on June 02, 2011, 03:51:49 PM
The fact that the new character's outfit is similar to Fang's probably isn't a coincidence, though I'm not sure how that would tie in with the story.

Fang's brother confirmed.

The only thing that can get me excited for this game is the addition of towns and proper side-quests. I can overlook a mediocre story if the game has decent distractions.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 02, 2011, 04:03:04 PM
Hm, these pics are probably from the very beginning. That's probably the town the survivors from cocoon built on pulse. For some reason monsters are attacking it, the new guy shows up and gives Serah a sword and the first battle in the game begins.
The game will probably alternate between the different parties like the prequel did.
I'm pretty sure that all playable characters besides Light and Serah will be new. I'm also very confident that unlike X-2 they wont be recycling areas from the previous game, it's unlikely that they will return to cocoon so pulse will be the only previously seen area and it will definitely have changed a lot during the years that passed since the first game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: insertnamehere on June 02, 2011, 04:05:45 PM
I went into 13 forgetting that it was an FF game and that it took 4 years(?) to develop, so I may be too lenient.
I thought was too easy, but I only played like an hour or 2 of it.
I almost always got 5 stars on each battle, so it always went by quickly.
Story was fairly good from all that I got out of it, but I felt like Lightning had no room to develop and would get stale quickly.
I hated that money appears to be only in chests and come from selling items from battle that only come come up occasionally.
I also hate that games display just current HP (and MP) instead of current and max HP/MP, especially with HD ones that plenty of room to display both.
Camera control is shitty.
iirc, gameinformer mentioned that its story made no sense but at least it had "one of the best battle systems" of all time or something like that.
I thought Nier had a funner battle system than FF13.
If someone calls something "one of the best" in anything like that, what line do we draw for best?
Top 10, top 20, top 50, or maybe just all battle systems ever made?
FF13 has one of the best battle systems ever.
AND THAT FUCKING DATALOG THING.
It explained about purging, Cocoon being assholes, and Pulse being uninhabitable and terrifying about 5 times each in an hour, once for each story entry.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on June 02, 2011, 04:09:29 PM
Hm, these pics are probably from the very beginning. That's probably the town the survivors from cocoon built on pulse. For some reason monsters are attacking it, the new guy shows up and gives Serah a sword and the first battle in the game begins.


Isn't that how FFX started?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 02, 2011, 04:21:07 PM
Hm, these pics are probably from the very beginning. That's probably the town the survivors from cocoon built on pulse. For some reason monsters are attacking it, the new guy shows up and gives Serah a sword and the first battle in the game begins.


Isn't that how FFX started?

Now that you mention it, yeah.
I doubt that the battle system will be completely identical, I'd like to think that at least some of the feedback was incorporated in to every aspect of the game, battle system included.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on June 02, 2011, 04:38:35 PM
I had no problem with the FFXIII battle system. At least it was something different, and I could do with one more. I'll agree with most people that the thing that trashed FFXIII was how random and bizarre the story was. They got so far off the deep end with their weird fantasy elements, that it was impossible to relate to. And since all of the characters' struggles were DIRECTLY related to unfathomable fantasy weirdness, it was difficult to sympathize with them.

I love Fantasy and Sci-Fi... a lot in fact. But it has to be done right. It has to be applicable, and used to explore applicable concepts, at least at some level. If the human relationships are too divorced from our own experiences, than it's very hard to relate to them, and suddenly the emotional core of the story becomes meaningless and impossible to sympathize with. In ANY story (sci-fi or not), if I can extract some basic human framework, removed from the specifics of setting or plot, then the writers have succeeded.

Contrast FFXIII with Nier. If you really dive into the world of Nier's backstory, it's pretty out-there, just as random, illogical, and nonsensical as FFXIIIs. But all that random mumbo-jumbo is pretty irrelevant to the individual character struggles and relationships within the confines of the game. So you can still sympathize with the characters, even though their situation is so incredibly goofy. The basic conflicts are fairly universal, even if the underlying reasoning isn't. That's how Nier works. If Nier had brought up all it's weirdness right upfront, made up dozens of mumbo-jumbo keywords and descriptions, and shoved it down your throat at every given opportunity, it would have been SHIT.

And that's where FFXIII went wrong. The writers reveled in overly-complex, overly random, hard-to-conceive bullshit, and had to bring it up every chance they could get. I don't believe that FFXIIIs back story is any worse or weirder than Nier's, but the fact they had to call your attention to it every 3 seconds was detrimental.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on June 02, 2011, 04:44:48 PM
I don't recall having trouble understanding the plot or sympathizing with the characters. I actually felt that the gameplay in FFXIII was pretty flawed and I'm hoping in the sequel it will be better. Really, I'm just looking forward to a new adventure with the same characters again. I'll adjust to the rest of the game as I go.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 02, 2011, 04:53:03 PM
I agree with Prime, the fundamentals of the story werent as bad as people say, it was just poorly presented. Maybe the fact that I read episode 0 before playing the game helped but I didn't really find it that hard to follow. The concept was strong but poorly executed and the cast was at least more likeable than in VIII and X.
But like I said in the game's thread, I'm done talking about it.
I'm interested in seeing SE's ability to take the feedback and incorporate it into the game. This will be their second shot at it and this time they don't have the excuse that feedback from western focus groups came too late.


Show us what you got SE because we already told you what we want.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on June 02, 2011, 07:51:53 PM
I loved the battle system in XIII. Fast paced, always having to change your optima. I even liked most of the cast, maybe not Snow but still more than I liked in most other FF games, especially compared to VI which is easily one of the best games yet 90% of the cast is garbage.

I'm surely looking forward to it!

ON a side note, you guys think SE forgot about VersusXIII or they just think our memory is that bad ?
I mean, after the XIV fiasco, I'm pretty sure they're taking their time with Versus but they surely need some money.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: hell_snake on June 03, 2011, 12:22:22 PM
Teaser Trailer time!

http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6315324/

Battle system seems to be the exact same.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 03, 2011, 12:29:45 PM
The nora retards are back, oh boy...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ULTROS! on June 03, 2011, 12:37:46 PM
Towns?!?!

(http://i.imgur.com/g3ytt.png)

Moogle! and a sexually ambiguous character:

(http://i54.tinypic.com/358q7ew.jpg)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 03, 2011, 12:45:35 PM
That first pic might as well be the beach scene from the first game or even anything from chapters 7 and 12, I don't see any indication of a fully explorabe town in that pic.

As for the second pic, I think I see boobs.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: hell_snake on June 03, 2011, 01:40:27 PM
Since we're analyzing...

(http://i.imgur.com/cxBeb.jpg)

Moogles accompany you through some places apparently.

(http://i.imgur.com/ycEwQ.jpg)

A puzzle area called Unstable Rift? You have the ability to retry by pressing square.

(http://i.imgur.com/D1n9K.jpg)

Pulseworker fighting along side Serah and dudeFang. This could indicate some sort of recruiting sub-mechanic or mini-game.

(http://i.imgur.com/GMN4h.jpg)
Cinematic Action, also known as QTEs.

(http://i.imgur.com/li1Z3.jpg)

The buildings in the background look like present day, real world ones. Those vines growing on the walls and ceiling and the overall look of the city could mean it is another abandoned one with old architecture, similar to Oerba.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 03, 2011, 01:49:05 PM
The ability to recruit monsters would be nice.

I just noticed the name of the paradigm in the third pic, it's called cerberus, that's new. I guess new paradigms could also mean new classes.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Serene Prophet on June 03, 2011, 03:13:58 PM
Well..it looks pretty?  Haha.  I really just didn't dig FFXIII, as much as I would have liked to.  Plus, apparently im a horrible player cause I reached the one part where you could actually explore a bit and I just got raped by everything I encountered and just rage quitted.  Still, I will at least give this a rent via gamefly..kind how I do most of my gaming these days since the money is tight.  One can only hope they listened to feedback somewhere, cause then it at least shows they don't completely have their heads up their asses.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 03, 2011, 03:23:36 PM
That moogle is ugly as fuck. ;_;

And the story seems that is the same from FFX-2, I really can't see anything good from this.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on June 03, 2011, 04:07:37 PM
heh i never actually played FFXIII(i could probally pick it up for like $15 these days) but i liked the character lightning in Dissidia D12. so whats so bad about the battle system? if its essentially like ff12's i dont have a problem with that.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on June 03, 2011, 04:14:54 PM
heh i never actually played FFXIII(i could probally pick it up for like $15 these days) but i liked the character lightning in Dissidia D12. so whats so bad about the battle system? if its essentially like ff12's i dont have a problem with that.

Imagine your average ATB, but there's 2-6 times more of them, and you can only control one character and the only real option you can use is Auto-Battle (if you want to be quick and successful). I personally liked it, but it's been months since I was at the 20-hour mark playing it and... I really feel no reason to continue right now.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 03, 2011, 04:37:38 PM
The focus of the battle system is managing character classes in real time during battle.

Instead of casting cure you switch to a paradigm that has a healer and that character will do the healing. If you need haste you switch to a team that has a synergist, etc, etc.
Basically you choose the roles and let the characters do their jobs. You control one of the characters manually (think Persona 3) but since the pace of the battles is so fast you can choose auto-battle. This simplifies things because you can use several comands per turn (untill you fill all the segments of that blue bar) and selecting several attacks manually every few seconds can be too much. Some times you'll need to do things manually of course, comands like death, libra, summons and many others are never used by the AI.

It's kinda like the gambits in FFXII but without all the micro-management. In XII if you wanted to create a healer you had to create all the appropriate gambits (cast cure on a character with less than 50% hp, use phoenix down on dead character, etc). Here the AI does all the things you expect it to do within each role.

Then there's the fact that each type of attack will consume a different number of bar segments and stagger. If you manage to fill an enemy's stagger bar by chaining lots of attacks appropriately you'll have the enemy at your mercy. Some monsters are virtually invulnerable untill you stagger them, others will probably die before you even stagger them.
Not only can you stagger bosses but unlike most FF games status ailments also work on them.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ramza on June 03, 2011, 05:27:54 PM
The end of the teaser trailer, did I see the hand of titan coming down towards you?

The ONLY thing I want out of XIII-2 is the ability to roam all of pulse and fight extraordinarily large Pulse Fal'Cie. That's IT. If they give me that, I'm in. $60 and all.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on June 03, 2011, 05:43:07 PM
sounds sorta similar to lighting in D12 if playing rpg mode.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 03, 2011, 06:40:30 PM
The end of the teaser trailer, did I see the hand of titan coming down towards you?

The ONLY thing I want out of XIII-2 is the ability to roam all of pulse and fight extraordinarily large Pulse Fal'Cie. That's IT. If they give me that, I'm in. $60 and all.

Fighting the titan would be cool.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on June 03, 2011, 07:13:33 PM
Trailer was a gigantic yawn.  I expect FFXIII-2 to go something like this:

DADS ARE TOUGH
I WONT BE BOUND BY DESTINY
I WILL BE THE HERO MY DESTINY MAKES ME
STOP IT YOU CANT DO THAT
WE ARE THE HEROES

*combat*

36
39
*paradigm shift*
43
44
*paradigm shift*
52
54
*paradigm shift*
68
75
*paradigm shift*
91
104
*paradigm shift*
124
145
*paradigm shift*
162
171

BREAK

51278491
50352804
58798471
61753218
62897414
64871429
65080949
67807097
68897914
70412707
71094870
73210098
76089723
85417012

*king behemoth dies*

WE DID IT
YEAH NO PROBLEM
GO TEAM

*credits*


GOTY2011
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Bytor on June 03, 2011, 10:37:11 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, now that's a review!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on June 04, 2011, 02:49:44 PM
sounds sorta similar to lighting in D12 if playing rpg mode.

Not exactly.You would enjoy FFXIII past the 20 hour mark when the combat system develops some options.In the start its very boring and can drag on.The graphics and the music are the best parts of the game in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 04, 2011, 04:14:19 PM
sounds sorta similar to lighting in D12 if playing rpg mode.

Not exactly.You would enjoy FFXIII past the 20 hour mark when the combat system develops some options.In the start its very boring and can drag on.The graphics and the music are the best parts of the game in my opinion.

I trust that they wont make the same mistake this time, people are familiar with it now anyway and they can always have a separate tutorial
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lucca on June 05, 2011, 12:33:46 AM
Parn's assessment of FFXIII made me gigglesnort in laughter. So true. All of it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on June 05, 2011, 12:42:29 AM
The story will still suck.

*Something nonsensical happens*

*DATALOG UPDATED*

"Why is this guy betraying me?"

*DATALOG UPDATED*

"What the-- who the fuck is this last boss? Why am I doing this? WHAT OF DONUTS?!?!?!"

*DATALOG UPDATED*

Fuck FFXIII and its datalog.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on June 05, 2011, 02:32:50 AM
I hope they try to address some of the complaints and issues the game had, namely being a bit more open for exploration and not taking forever to really get going. If they fail to do that then fuck this direction SE's taking.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on June 05, 2011, 02:38:59 AM
I just hope they don't make it into another tech demo.


BTW, Parn: You forgot: MY GOD WE'RE JUST CHIAPETS
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Darklight on June 06, 2011, 12:11:56 AM
If it's good, I'll buy it and play it through, without ever completing ff13,, i mean ever
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on June 06, 2011, 10:28:34 PM
The official trailer got me even more excited for this. I wonder if we'll at least run into some of the old cast besides. Not that it matter because we have Lightning.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 06, 2011, 11:32:57 PM
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QTEs

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on June 07, 2011, 12:09:24 AM
Trailer was pretty good... but I can see the story being stupid though.  I kinda hate having Serrah take the lead, she looks...so weird.  Seems the game forgot about her "better half", Snow, so far haha

Graphics look great (sans Serrah), and I'd like to see more of the old cast too.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: MeshGearFox on June 07, 2011, 12:51:10 AM
It's Square. Are you SERIOUSLY expecting them to put out a good story when they're pretty much proven that they're consistently bad at that? And I don't mean recently I mean since like forever?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on June 07, 2011, 02:23:36 AM
It's Square. Are you SERIOUSLY expecting them to put out a good story when they're pretty much proven that they're consistently bad at that? And I don't mean recently I mean since like forever?

Credit where it's due... I think FF6 was okay.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 07, 2011, 08:14:54 AM
People with hopes for a good story are delusional, it's that simple.
This trailer confirms the ability to recruit monsters, apparently there's only Serah and Noel so your third party member will be a monster. Gotta catch'em all!!!
Otherwise it looks like more of the same so people who didn't like XIII should just stay away.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 07, 2011, 10:50:04 AM
Off-screen gameplay:

http://kotaku.com/5809306/watch-as-real-humans-play-final-fantasy-xiii+2/ (http://kotaku.com/5809306/watch-as-real-humans-play-final-fantasy-xiii+2/)

Looks like the cerberus paradigm brings the recruited monster into the fight.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aurian on June 07, 2011, 11:03:03 AM
Well, I played FF13 through to the end and just felt unhappy with the game overall due to the sheer amount of fighting (no breaks to explore or go to towns or even do a sidequest for much of the game) and not enjoying the fighting much either. I felt like I was just wanting strings of numbers all the time and bars as opposed to being able to enjoy the fighting. Heck, they could have had a black screen behind the number/bars for all I saw of the battle graphics. So if its more of the same? Meh.

I miss the older FFs.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Logick on June 07, 2011, 03:05:45 PM
13 was the first FF I didn't finish.  I decided watching vids on youtube of the story would be better, too bad it still made no sense.  Looks like I'll not buying this one for sure.

BTW paradigm shift was BS, they should have just cut the crap and made combat all auto, and let you focus on the shifts, it would still be BS, but more tolerable.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Madoka on June 07, 2011, 04:59:36 PM
As one of the two people on this board who thought FFXIII was ok, I'm fine with more of the same. Except I'm curious as to the "Lightning is dead!" comment at the end of the trailer.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 07, 2011, 05:06:50 PM
As one of the two people on this board who thought FFXIII was ok, I'm fine with more of the same. Except I'm curious as to the "Lightning is dead!" comment at the end of the trailer.

She was transported to a different universe or time, not sure, but they think she's dead. She probably switched places with Noel in the process.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 07, 2011, 05:50:20 PM
Serah and Noel return to cocoon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu_EmiZfLHM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu_EmiZfLHM)

and fight the titan from the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvVrziduYdo&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvVrziduYdo&NR=1)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on June 07, 2011, 07:38:46 PM
I like how in the fight with Titan, the whole party dies in one hit.  What a fantastic way to demo your game!

I also love how the dialogue is incredibly bad.  "Do I get overtime pay for this?"  Hahaha, oh Yuna Noel, you are such a wacky teenager!  Just what will she he say next?

Fuck this game.  Square doesn't have a clue.  I'm out.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on June 07, 2011, 10:21:08 PM
Monster party members, nearly identical battle system, datalog system still in place, ehh.. This is probably going to have the same pitfalls as 13, but I wouldn't be completely surprised if they make it less linear.

Kinda wish they had pushed FFversus13 instead.  The gameplay and huge world at least sound interesting (in theory).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on June 07, 2011, 10:50:29 PM
Removing the datalog would just be dumb. They need to write as if it doesn't exist, then use that for people who want either a bit more info or to refresh themselves on something they forgot.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on June 07, 2011, 10:53:27 PM
I just came to a realization.  Remember when Square said that they had cut enough content from FFXIII's development to make a whole other game?

$59.99 for leftovers, bitches!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on June 07, 2011, 10:56:48 PM
Did I hear about alternate dimensions and crap? That'd explain how they're using places that were probably designed for Cocoon and couldn't work on Pulse!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on June 07, 2011, 11:10:23 PM
Trailer was pretty good... but I can see the story being stupid though.  I kinda hate having Serrah take the lead, she looks...so weird.  Seems the game forgot about her "better half", Snow, so far haha

Graphics look great (sans Serrah), and I'd like to see more of the old cast too.

But i thought Serah was hot, and i dig her new outfit -_-
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Logick on June 08, 2011, 03:33:16 AM
I just came to a realization.  Remember when Square said that they had cut enough content from FFXIII's development to make a whole other game?

$59.99 for leftovers, bitches!

I figured that out ages ago :P
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on June 08, 2011, 03:48:48 AM
Trailer was pretty good... but I can see the story being stupid though.  I kinda hate having Serrah take the lead, she looks...so weird.  Seems the game forgot about her "better half", Snow, so far haha

Graphics look great (sans Serrah), and I'd like to see more of the old cast too.

But i thought Serah was hot, and i dig her new outfit -_-

I'd like her more... if she looked more real.  Her design creeps me out.  Her hair, while I dig the side ponytail, is accompanied by some sort of under-mullet, and the accursed Japanese-long-bangs that seems to only hit the centre of the face.

...hm.  A sequel with monster raising.  Hey y'all, remember Tales of Symphonia 2 and how much it rocked?  Neither do I.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on June 08, 2011, 03:57:55 AM
But i thought Serah was hot, and i dig her new outfit -_-

Do you like Bible Black?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on June 08, 2011, 04:05:13 AM
Hey y'all, remember Tales of Symphonia 2 and how much it rocked?  Neither do I.

Afterthought RPGs rarely are, it's why I only have hopes for FFXIII-2 if they addressed gameplay concerns; the story was doomed from the start. Not that you inherently can't have these kinds of sequels, but they have to be less blatant "quick cash-in" like, say, an anime movie based on a series (or continuing it) usually is, and most of these sequels SE has been doing for FF games fall right into the same area.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on June 08, 2011, 05:03:04 AM
I keep watching this trainwreck and laughing my ass off.

Remember the last JRPG that stuffed monster hunting into a poorly made game? It was called Tales of Symphonia 2.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on June 08, 2011, 08:11:19 AM
Um guys, you know that FFX-2 Int had system which you could use Monsters right?

I like how in the fight with Titan, the whole party dies in one hit.  What a fantastic way to demo your game!

I also love how the dialogue is incredibly bad.  "Do I get overtime pay for this?"  Hahaha, oh Yuna Noel, you are such a wacky teenager!  Just what will she he say next?

Fuck this game.  Square doesn't have a clue.  I'm out.

I have a lot of issues FFXIII. but this a bit much.

First that isn't Titan, it's a new monster called Atlas and all shares with Titan is that he's big though not nearly so. Second you have choice on how to fight him much like FFXII's Garuda. You will probably be a beat him directly on New Game Plus" anyway. Third Noel likely isn't a teenager as the Japanese official site lists his age as "seinen" which can be anywhere from 20-50. Lastly while FFXIII like most FFs have awkward dialogue don't see what's bad about that line. For all we know Noel probably works for the Sanctum.

I'm not saying that FFXIII-2 will be the greatest game ever, but a lot comments folks who have played demo as well as videos in generally seems to show that SE has listened to criticisms about the game and is addressing them.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on June 08, 2011, 10:32:34 AM
I keep watching this trainwreck and laughing my ass off.

Remember the last JRPG that stuffed monster hunting into a poorly made game? It was called Tales of Symphonia 2.

I feel so ignored... or did you get the idea from me?? : /  haha
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on June 08, 2011, 10:59:56 AM
Something interesting that was posted on SE Members blog:

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I’ve had the chance to sit down and play some FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 recently and I wanted to let you know what I thought of it. Before we jump straight into the Hands-On report, however, here are a few key points I suspect you’ll all be interested in knowing.

While still a deeply story-driven game, FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 has a higher emphasis on giving the player choices to make throughout the game. More branching paths, more hidden secrets, more exploration.
Level design sees you returning to unlocked environments to access hidden areas as the game progresses.
A self-contained story set after the events of FINAL FANTASY XIII. XIII-2’s story will be darker and more mysterious.
All-new playable characters (Serah and Noel), plus the return of fan favourites from FINAL FANTASY XIII.
The return of the much loved Moogle. A treasure hunter at heart, he will seek out hidden chests.
Recruit monsters who will aid you in battle, each with unique abilities.


For those of you who wanted more from FINAL FANTASY XIII, the sequel is the game for you. As a FINAL FANTASY fan I had some specific things in mind that I wanted to see from XIII-2 and the more I see of the game, the more excited I get about it..

As you can see from the list above, XIII-2 has seen improvements and expansions in many areas (and these are just features we’re allowed to talk about right now). The designers of the game have made giving more choice to the player a key focus of theirs. Even in the small demo being shown off at E3, the level design features plenty of forks in the road, leading to hidden chests and lurking monsters, as well as wide open areas.

The developers also want players to have more control over their character and a larger variety of experiences in the game, which explains the inclusion of a jump button (the first in the numbered FINAL FANTASY series’ long history), which can be used to find hidden chests. Abilities will be gained throughout the game which will further allow exploration, making you return to areas you’ve visited before to see if your new skills can give you access to hidden areas and items.

Environments are filled with people, many of whom can be engaged in dialogue. A little speech bubble floating above their head will let you know if they have anything interesting to say. All of this dialogue is fully voiced.

Your objectives won’t always be straight forward. Sometimes you will be given a choice of which direction to go to reach your goal or of which order to perform certain tasks in. The E3 demonstration includes the choice to fight a large golem (we’re talking massive - like 20 storeys) or to investigate a mysterious device which has appeared out of nowhere. Investigating the device will lower the golem’s defences, making him much easier to kill, but if you fancy the challenge you can go straight into battle.

Some battles may include interactive “cinematic action” sequences, which require you to press specific buttons at specific moments. On succesful button inputs, rewards are given, depending on the situation. For example, hitting buttons correctly in the first golem battle in the E3 demo results in your party members receiving temporary stat buffs, making the rest of the battle that little bit easier.

We’re not talking too much about the game’s story right now, but we have said that the game takes place a few years after the events of FINAL FANTASY XIII. Lightning has disappeared, presumed dead, and her sister Serah is trying to find out where she’s gone, with the help of the mysterious Noel. You will not need to have played or completed FINAL FANTASY XIII to understand the story of XIII-2. It will help to know some of the backstory, but it has been designed to be accessible to newcomers.

For those who are fans of the franchise, you may be surprised and delighted to learn that Moogles are making a return. One such creature befriends Serah and has vowed to follow her on her quest to find Lightning. He has a few tricks up his sleeves, such as being able to reveal secret chests and other secret abilities which we will be revealing in time.

Another new addition is the recruitment of monsters. They will join your party and each species of creature will have a unique ability. You will be able to switch them in and out on the fly by changing the party’s Paradigm. Yep, the Paradigm Shift system makes a return, with some improvements and refinements. We’re not going into much detail on all the enhancements yet, but we thought you’d like to know that they exist.

So hopefully this whets your appetite a bit and demonstrates just some of the enhancements and improvements FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 will feature. I’m personally very excited about this game and we’ve got much more to tell you about it in the coming months, so keep an eye out here on the Square Enix Members Blog.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: OkamiGeisha on June 08, 2011, 01:12:49 PM
Sounds promising so far.  Thanks for sharing Iron Maw.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 08, 2011, 01:26:07 PM
People who had access to parts featuring Lightning confirmed that she's almost as powerful as at the end of FFXIII right from the start. I like this because when rpg protagonists misteriously return to level 1 in the sequels although they had world destroying strenght just the day before it's stupid. Yakuza 4 did the same with Kiryu.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on June 08, 2011, 01:29:02 PM
There's a video on gametrailers where they're playing the stage demo and it gives a better feel of the game.  (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-final-fantasy/715341)

It shows some of the improvements of the graphics department, how the battle system is (the same) and at a certain moment the person playing pulls out a map and it's huge and filled with ways to go.

I'm pretty excited, I just hope square doesn't decide to make this game a maze as a response for those that don't want a linear progression.

Edit:  There's also 4 developers walkthrough videos that shows a lot more on the game and the guy explain some of what is new (http://www.gametrailers.com/game/final-fantasy-xiii-2/14354)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 08, 2011, 02:35:58 PM
There's a video on gametrailers where they're playing the stage demo and it gives a better feel of the game.  (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-final-fantasy/715341)

It shows some of the improvements of the graphics department, how the battle system is (the same) and at a certain moment the person playing pulls out a map and it's huge and filled with ways to go.

I'm pretty excited, I just hope square doesn't decide to make this game a maze as a response for those that don't want a linear progression.

Edit:  There's also 4 developers walkthrough videos that shows a lot more on the game and the guy explain some of what is new (http://www.gametrailers.com/game/final-fantasy-xiii-2/14354)

Those developer walkthroughs were insightful, thanks for posting.

The monsters you recruit also level up. Each monster has its specific role.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on June 08, 2011, 03:16:18 PM
I keep watching this trainwreck and laughing my ass off.

Remember the last JRPG that stuffed monster hunting into a poorly made game? It was called Tales of Symphonia 2.

I feel so ignored... or did you get the idea from me?? : /  haha

Who said that? :[
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on June 08, 2011, 03:26:34 PM
Trailer was pretty good... but I can see the story being stupid though.  I kinda hate having Serrah take the lead, she looks...so weird.  Seems the game forgot about her "better half", Snow, so far haha

Graphics look great (sans Serrah), and I'd like to see more of the old cast too.

But i thought Serah was hot, and i dig her new outfit -_-

I'd like her more... if she looked more real.  Her design creeps me out.  Her hair, while I dig the side ponytail, is accompanied by some sort of under-mullet, and the accursed Japanese-long-bangs that seems to only hit the centre of the face.

...hm.  A sequel with monster raising.  Hey y'all, remember Tales of Symphonia 2 and how much it rocked?  Neither do I.

So my taste in women is creepy, thanks Q:P

But i thought Serah was hot, and i dig her new outfit -_-

Do you like Bible Black?

No comment
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Annubis on June 08, 2011, 03:30:36 PM
Isn't there a logical flaw in making a sequel that fixes the vast amounts of problem the original had in the sense that you should probably play the original to play the sequel?
Ok, I know most games with sequels already do this, but usually I can get further than 5 hours into those as opposed to FFXIII.
Even if FFXIII-2 ends up being a good game, I'll probably pass it up because I don't really want to play the original.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on June 08, 2011, 03:36:02 PM
I hope they let you have full party control from the begining, if there is Serah's my leader when I start and never leaving I don't care if she is "creepy."
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on June 08, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
I keep watching this trainwreck and laughing my ass off.

Remember the last JRPG that stuffed monster hunting into a poorly made game? It was called Tales of Symphonia 2.

I feel so ignored... or did you get the idea from me?? : /  haha
I just haven't been reading all the posts in this thread.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 08, 2011, 05:40:37 PM
I like how in the fight with Titan, the whole party dies in one hit.  What a fantastic way to demo your game!

I also love how the dialogue is incredibly bad.  "Do I get overtime pay for this?"  Hahaha, oh Yuna Noel, you are such a wacky teenager!  Just what will she he say next?

Fuck this game.  Square doesn't have a clue.  I'm out.

If you watch the developer walkthrough you'll realize that you're not supposed to go into that fight at that point. You can choose to but the game advices you to take a different action that will weaken the monster.

I know you're going to say "I don't care either way, fuck it all" but to be fair it's worth pointing out.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 08, 2011, 05:58:42 PM
Kitase interview:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-08-final-fantasy-xiii-2-preview (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-08-final-fantasy-xiii-2-preview)

Lightning vs bahamut video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82UWu0anRjA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82UWu0anRjA)

Toriyama said in a famitsu interview that the game has multiple endings!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 08, 2011, 08:47:59 PM
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Some battles may include interactive “cinematic action” sequences, which require you to press specific buttons at specific moments. On succesful button inputs, rewards are given, depending on the situation. For example, hitting buttons correctly in the first golem battle in the E3 demo results in your party members receiving temporary stat buffs, making the rest of the battle that little bit easier.


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Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on June 08, 2011, 11:12:42 PM
First that isn't Titan, it's a new monster called Atlas and all shares with Titan is that he's big though not nearly so. Second you have choice on how to fight him much like FFXII's Garuda. You will probably be a beat him directly on New Game Plus" anyway. Third Noel likely isn't a teenager as the Japanese official site lists his age as "seinen" which can be anywhere from 20-50. Lastly while FFXIII like most FFs have awkward dialogue don't see what's bad about that line. For all we know Noel probably works for the Sanctum.

I'm not saying that FFXIII-2 will be the greatest game ever, but a lot comments folks who have played demo as well as videos in generally seems to show that SE has listened to criticisms about the game and is addressing them.

fyi i dont care how old male yuna with hammer pants really is

ps telling me ff games have awkward dialogue as a preemptive excuse for this game doesnt help
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: insertnamehere on June 09, 2011, 02:41:00 AM
People who had access to parts featuring Lightning confirmed that she's almost as powerful as at the end of FFXIII right from the start. I like this because when rpg protagonists misteriously return to level 1 in the sequels although they had world destroying strenght just the day before it's stupid. Yakuza 4 did the same with Kiryu.

It seems weird to me it does that now even though it takes place years after FF13.
I guess it is possible she kept grinding just not to lose any levels.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 09, 2011, 05:39:13 AM
People who had access to parts featuring Lightning confirmed that she's almost as powerful as at the end of FFXIII right from the start. I like this because when rpg protagonists misteriously return to level 1 in the sequels although they had world destroying strenght just the day before it's stupid. Yakuza 4 did the same with Kiryu.

It seems weird to me it does that now even though it takes place years after FF13.
I guess it is possible she kept grinding just not to lose any levels.

So you lose levels with time? Is that it? How many per year?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: hell_snake on June 09, 2011, 08:21:51 AM
Great interview from GAF: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28462309&postcount=830

Bits I liked:

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Toriyama: Like Kitase said earlier, we did take it seriously that there was a huge criticism over no towns—we know people didn’t like it and so we took that and have towns in the new one. And you can explore the town and you can talk to all the people, and that will lead to other situations. Shops, as well now in XIII-2 you can find certain characters you can talk to and they can sell things to you and you can make purchases. I think if we created towns in the same way as we did for Final Fantasy VII-IX, it would be quite boring, and so it is very difficult. So with that we put an AI in every single person living in the town so they can do their own things. They may sit down and chat, or they may talk to their family members, or somebody they want to talk to, so they do their own actions. In that sense, it’s a quite different type of town you would find in a Final Fantasy [game].

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Kitase: When it comes to music, in XIII Masashi Hamauzu did the music and he was quite popular which had an orchestral feel to it and that will actually be maintained as well, but with new elements.
What do you think of the music in XIII-2?
RPGSite: Unexpected. It reminded me of Persona… which that stuff can be brilliant depending on the situation.
Kitase: Obviously we want to make adjustments, because, like you say, if we stick the same kind of music all the way through, it might sound a bit out of place, or be a bit strange. We made it so every thing has an appropriate tune.

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Toriyama: We mentioned the multi endings earlier, so it’s in relation to that so we can’t tell you very much about it. For people who have already cleared the game once, from the second playthrough on there are replay values attached to it. It’s a lot like New Game+, it’s the same system, so there are items and features than can entice you to keep playing. As far as side missions, there are more side missions a bit like in Red Dead Redemption. So it’s not just the hunts, it’s the other types of missions as well. One of the criticisms we received about Final Fantasy XIII was there was not enough mini games, and people want to see more of them, so that’s some of the things we added as well.

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RPGSite: You talked a little about Red Dead Redemption. Can you explain how that influenced you?
Toriyama: Among the millions of games that came out last year, Red Dead Redemption was adored by a lot of Japanese developers, including ourselves. Our game is not as open-field as that game, obviously. We did take some inspirations, however. For example, missions can happen anywhere rather than having to go to a certain shrine, or base or something, and that’s from them. In this game you see lots and lots of chocobos and you can ride them. The kind of feeling you get as you ride the chocobo, it’s a bit like the way you ride a horse. It’s a really refreshing feel good experience, and that’s one thing we learned from the game.

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Kitase: Firstly, how to collect monsters. At first you have to defeat the monster, and when you meet certain conditions, at some certain rate obviously, it will enter you party and start working for you. You can mix them like if you play a card game and make a deck—it’s a bit like that. When it comes to the Cinematic Actions, there are two types: first is the one you saw in the demo against Atlas. When you take on a really big boss, when a certain level of damage has been inflicted on the boss, then it happens. Another thing with the Cinematic Action is, with some of the monsters you can collect, capture and make work for you, some of them can trigger those Actions.

Sounds good so far.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 09, 2011, 08:44:16 AM
Better take it with a grain of salt, Kitase and Toriyama have a history of empty promises.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on June 09, 2011, 09:35:49 AM
Great interview from GAF: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28462309&postcount=830

Yep, that was pretty nice, I had no idea they were fans of RDR and it's even better that they taking some inspiration with sidequests from it. The Monster System as well as NPCs having some form A.I. sound solid.

The only question I have left is whether they overhaul FFXIII shitty Weapon System or not.  Guess we will find out at TGS.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on June 09, 2011, 05:14:21 PM
i'm still concerned lightning is one of my favorite characters....monsters usually means a lack of pc's.....
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on June 09, 2011, 06:23:40 PM
Well Lightning looked to be a pc in the trailer, I just don't know how much. My guess would be there's 4 playable characters. Serah, Noel, that one girl with the tie who i don't know her name is and Lightning. You have 2 humans and one monster in your party, so 4 would fit the common trend that FF12 and 13 have followed 2x the amount you can have in your party at one time.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 09, 2011, 06:29:22 PM
Come on people, Light is playable, are you serious? I just posted a video where she's fighting a bahamut. I'm sure there'll be at least one more character, I doubt she'll be alone or just with monsters. Maybe the guy form the first teaser.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Annubis on June 09, 2011, 06:57:46 PM
There is another guy for sure. Square games usually lets you have an all male / female party. Meaning at the very least 1 more male.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ramza on June 09, 2011, 07:07:45 PM
Come on people, Light is playable, are you serious? I just posted a video where she's fighting a bahamut. I'm sure there'll be at least one more character, I doubt she'll be alone or just with monsters. Maybe the guy form the first teaser.

I think I pretty clearly heard a character in a trailer say to Serah that "Lightning is dead!" Of course she's not really dead, but I highly suspect you'll spend much of the game without her. Think FFII Lionheart, FFIV Kain, etc.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on June 09, 2011, 11:11:28 PM
Come on people, Light is playable, are you serious? I just posted a video where she's fighting a bahamut. I'm sure there'll be at least one more character, I doubt she'll be alone or just with monsters. Maybe the guy form the first teaser.

care to share said video in this thread?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: hell_snake on June 10, 2011, 05:22:47 AM
Come on people, Light is playable, are you serious? I just posted a video where she's fighting a bahamut. I'm sure there'll be at least one more character, I doubt she'll be alone or just with monsters. Maybe the guy form the first teaser.

care to share said video in this thread?

???

Lightning vs bahamut video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82UWu0anRjA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82UWu0anRjA)

Anyways, here's a demo vid with clear audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGkPFiTSvl0

Game has good variety in its music. A nice hip-hop beat on the field that shifts into high gear when enemies appear (Dat rap!), Rock music for battles and an Ambient theme for that Temporal Rift puzzle area...

Square Enix might succeed in righting their wrongs with this one.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 10, 2011, 05:32:20 AM
They think she's dead but she's just somewhere else, Serah knows this and that's why she's looking for her. She will have a big part of the game dedicated to her, don't worry about that.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on June 10, 2011, 05:36:37 AM
ok that looks cool. i hope that demo makes its way to psn
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ULTROS! on June 10, 2011, 12:56:39 PM
Live Trigger + Atlas Gameplay, kupo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGkPFiTSvl0&feature=channel_video_title
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on June 10, 2011, 03:17:42 PM
out of curiousity is this the first game to have a voiced mog with coherent speech? and no yuna in a moogle costume doesnt count.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 10, 2011, 04:30:51 PM
out of curiousity is this the first game to have a voiced mog with coherent speech? and no yuna in a moogle costume doesnt count.

I think so, yeah.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ULTROS! on June 11, 2011, 12:53:48 AM
out of curiousity is this the first game to have a voiced mog with coherent speech? and no yuna in a moogle costume doesnt count.

I think Chocobo Dungeon Wii had a talking moogle.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 13, 2011, 07:13:51 AM
If you're interested in the game I advice you to read this:

http://ps3.rpgsite.net/articles/286-e3-2011-final-fantasy-xiii2-impressions (http://ps3.rpgsite.net/articles/286-e3-2011-final-fantasy-xiii2-impressions)

Extremely detailed impressions of the E3 demo. It also looks like the technical differences that existed between the PS3 and the 360 versions are still there and even though they'll be using less CGI cutscenes this time (which are still 1080p on the PS3 and highly compresed on the 360) the 360 version might ship on 4 disks... Considering that XIII was on 3 disks and that since its release MS increased the amount of space available to developers on the disks I'm going to assume that the game is pretty damn big.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 13, 2011, 02:28:49 PM

I also love how the dialogue is incredibly bad.  "Do I get overtime pay for this?"  Hahaha, oh Yuna Noel, you are such a wacky teenager!  Just what will she he say next?

Fuck this game.  Square doesn't have a clue.  I'm out.

I just watched the video of the demo again and that line is from the soldier NPC, not from Noel.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on June 13, 2011, 06:13:54 PM
ok
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on June 13, 2011, 07:52:37 PM
parn you are a master troll please teach me your ways!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 14, 2011, 08:58:28 AM
Toriyama says that the weather will influence battles. Hm, it probably works like in chapter 6 of XIII where the monsters that appeared on the field changed with the weather, though in this case I don't think there will be a mechanism to control it so maybe the weather changes in real time.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: hell_snake on June 14, 2011, 02:20:04 PM
Toriyama says that the weather will influence battles. Hm, it probably works like in chapter 6 of XIII where the monsters that appeared on the field changed with the weather, though in this case I don't think there will be a mechanism to control it so maybe the weather changes in real time.

Yeah. Noticed this in the demo:

(http://i.imgur.com/vzTyE.jpg)

Hopefully these added gameplay elements turn out to be fun, especially the monster capturing part of the game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Annubis on June 14, 2011, 02:38:34 PM
Probably something like in The Witcher 2. Lightning spells deal more damage when it's raining / fire less.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on June 14, 2011, 05:27:01 PM
They already did that kind of thing in Final Fantasy XI.  The weather affected everything from monster appearances to success rates of crafting items.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Annubis on June 14, 2011, 05:33:52 PM
[...] success rates of crafting items.

Ok, that is seriously weird o_O

«Dude! Craft my sword.»
«Nah, it's cloudy, you want to wait until it's sunny with only one white cloud in the sky for max success rate.»
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on June 14, 2011, 05:57:23 PM
Basically, you'd use elemental crystals to craft items.  For example, fire crystals generate heat, and trying to forge a sword or cook food in rainy weather would result in a higher chance of failure.  If you performed the same action during a heat wave in a jungle or desert area, you'd gain a bonus to your success/crit chance.

It was actually a pretty interesting and thoroughly thought out system.  For as unfriendly an experience as the game was to the casual player, Final Fantasy XI is by far the deepest game in the franchise in terms of world design, gameplay, narrative, and so forth.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 15, 2011, 12:22:30 AM
Apparently at E3 there were some developer documents. Here's an image that outlines the new Dynamic Multiple-Paths that are designed to increase replayability and add variety to XIII-2.

http://i.imgur.com/nCqkp.jpg

Personally I tihnk it looks like a huge step up from Final Fantasy XIII and has gotten me quite excited for thhe game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Uru on June 15, 2011, 12:37:40 AM
Apparently at E3 there were some developer documents. Here's an image that outlines the new Dynamic Multiple-Paths that are designed to increase replayability and add variety to XIII-2.

http://i.imgur.com/nCqkp.jpg

Personally I tihnk it looks like a huge step up from Final Fantasy XIII and has gotten me quite excited for thhe game.

That....was funny. I want to give 13 another shot, but I just didnt enjoy the first one. I also dont like the design of Noel, seems like a rush job from Nomura. I do hope its super good...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on June 15, 2011, 12:50:00 AM
This is definitely a game I'd wait until I heard positive impressions first. I won't deny it, I'd probably line up for FFXV unless SE was completely retarded and made it into an MMO too, but the sequels-to-sequels are another matter entirely.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on June 15, 2011, 05:25:07 AM
Probably something like in The Witcher 2. Lightning spells deal more damage when it's raining / fire less.

That's all very well when in a Lightning or Snow storm but what about the other guys? Fang storms aren't exactly a common occurrence ya' know.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: hell_snake on June 15, 2011, 09:17:34 AM
That....was funny. I want to give 13 another shot, but I just didnt enjoy the first one. I also dont like the design of Noel, seems like a rush job from Nomura. I do hope its super good...

haha if you think Noel is a rushed job, then BEHOLD!

(http://i54.tinypic.com/358q7ew.jpg)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 15, 2011, 09:54:31 AM
Yeah, the design of that new character is far worse than any of the protagonists of XIII, I hope she isn't a relevant character.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on June 15, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Apparently at E3 there were some developer documents. Here's an image that outlines the new Dynamic Multiple-Paths that are designed to increase replayability and add variety to XIII-2.

http://i.imgur.com/nCqkp.jpg

Personally I tihnk it looks like a huge step up from Final Fantasy XIII and has gotten me quite excited for thhe game.

At least the demo showed they are trying to address the issue.  Whether they follow through with it or not for the rest of the game, that remains to be seen but personally I thought the linear dungeons was a small problem compared to the other major problems the game had. Shit, even ME 2 had incredibly linear dungeons and no one seemed to bitch about that.  You land on massive planets and explore nothing but a single path that only branches for a second to find a room with money/upgrades/resources.  No one cared because the rest of the game was incredibly open-ended, but the dungeons?  9 times out of 10 they were just as linear as FFXIII's.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on June 15, 2011, 05:18:07 PM
Both ME2 and FFXIII did do the same thing, trying to streamline the game to focus on their best (or perceived best) qualities and weed out the weaker parts, even though the weaker parts could've been improved upon. Big difference is that ME1's weaker parts didn't really work as they were while FF's not only did but were essential for giving more variety and keeping the games from being just a string of battles loosely tied together.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on June 15, 2011, 06:58:44 PM
Another big difference is whether the dungeons FELT linear or open ended. MOST Final Fantasy dungeons, and RPG dungeons as a whole, are fairly linear, and that's okay. Part of making a good game is to be able to steer the player in some manner of direction, while at the same time making it FEEL open ended and enjoyable. Being able to steer them means being able to plan out cohesive story arcs and important events along the way at good intervals. But players shouldn't KNOW that they're being lead around, because then they feel stifled. FF6-9 did a great job of this. You got lots of dungeons with winding paths and small branches in order to make it feel like it wasn't a boardwalk layed out for the hero (which totally breaks the fourth wall), but in reality, the progression through the dungeon had to be done in a specific order, and there were some clear points of arrival and departure that gave the player distinct short-term goals. That's good design, IMO. With 10, you start to see long stretches of straight paths from A to B with only slight jogs along the way. FF12 did it's best to rectify this, but went to the opposite extreme by making huge empy spaces that were devoid of interesting obsticals and clear dilleniations. So FF13 went back to the FF10 method, but squeezed it even further. What they really should be looking back to are Lunatic Pandora, Ispen's Castle, Temple of the Ancients, and the Caves of Narshe. Since FF9, Square's graphical prowess has improved, their dialog may have improved, but their sense of good dungeon design has fallen greatly, they need to look back to their pre-rendered days for inspiration. And I don't think it has anything to do with the 2D > 3D switch, because there are plenty of 3D games that have had GREAT dungeon design in 3D: Ocarina of Time, Skies of Arcadia, Dragon Quest VIII, the list goes on.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 16, 2011, 06:35:55 AM
Mass Effect 2 broke up the action and linear traveling with interesting story sequences and plot development.

Honestly, FF13 did this too for the first 20 hours, but the gameplay barely starts until after those 20 hours, and then the game becomes far more grindy. I wouldn't have minded the game as much if it kept integrating plot regularly in the second half of the game.

We go from a sci-fi esque run from the police drama to an empty boring world grindathon :(
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Warshade on June 21, 2011, 05:17:03 PM
Mass Effect 2 broke up the action and linear traveling with interesting story sequences and plot development.

Honestly, FF13 did this too for the first 20 hours, but the gameplay barely starts until after those 20 hours, and then the game becomes far more grindy. I wouldn't have minded the game as much if it kept integrating plot regularly in the second half of the game.

We go from a sci-fi esque run from the police drama to an empty boring world grindathon :(

I felt exactly the same as you about the game. Sadly most people who played the game felt the opposite and though the second half where you just grind for hours and do grind quest was where the game got good. I think they did the whole first half the game one way then said crap we forgot to let them explore so they just give you this open world to explore all of a sudden. It did not work for me but that too felt like a break up from the story that started out strong and could have been epic but then just kinda fell short. Either way I liked 13 for what it was and I hope that 13-2 is a better mix of the two though I am already kinda iffy with the whole where the heck is snow and who the heck is that guy thing? Who knows the story could be great. I think the music has taken a downward turn since uematsu is no longer involved. I really did not like the Pop song theme they did and from what I have heard about this new one its not looking like that is an aspect they are addressing. Keep the soundtrack instrumental imo.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 22, 2011, 05:35:41 AM
New interview with a few new details:

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/22/ffxiii_2_kamikokuryo_interview/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/22/ffxiii_2_kamikokuryo_interview/)

   
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on June 23, 2011, 08:54:12 AM
I was completely uninterested in this game until I head the words "random battles" from a GT E3 vid. Now I'm skeptically cautious. Here's hoping they at least do the job class system (after all that's basically what the Paradigms are) properly this time instead of a lazy tack on.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 23, 2011, 07:44:24 PM
New art:

(http://www.abload.de/img/01lu11.jpg)

New monster:

(http://www.abload.de/img/027uxs.jpg)

I think Serah's outfit is better than in XIII. Light looked better in her previous outfit though.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Zendervai on June 23, 2011, 09:09:10 PM
That monster looks a lot like Anima from X.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on June 24, 2011, 02:40:18 AM
Serah's face still pisses me off, I don't think it could exist, it looks too...odd..  Her outfit design, while kinda cool, feels kinda like a mish-mash of whatever they could throw on her.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 24, 2011, 04:53:06 AM
You keep bringing up her face, what is it that bothers you so much?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: hell_snake on June 24, 2011, 11:01:58 AM
New monster:
(http://www.abload.de/img/027uxs.jpg)

Can you, like, capture/recruit this thing?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on June 24, 2011, 11:46:00 AM
They can tease all they want, I won't be convinced this is any good until the game is out and I try it myself. Its sad that what was once a "day one must buy" franchise has now been demoted to my "used copy bargain bin" list.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 25, 2011, 09:03:12 AM
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/117/1178988p1.html (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/117/1178988p1.html)

"The schedule was more or less set from the start, and it was a tight one," Kamikokuryo says with a dry smile. "There was almost no pre-production; I didn't even have time to draw settings for the staff, so I used other things like photographs to explain my ideas. In some ways, this actually worked better than drawings. It gave me an opportunity to rethink the way art direction works."

"In this sequel we're really delving into some of the things we wanted to explain before - it's a big challenge."

Kamikokuryo explains that one of his regrets from Final Fantasy XIII was the way some places felt like little more than areas to rush through. "I wanted to explore that reality, the lives of the people living there. The charm of RPGs is the feeling of being able to touch another world. I wanted to push that, to make it feel like you really can touch this world."

"This is a world made by the gods called fal'Cie, and her armor is designed to reflect that."






Honestly, I hope the game ends up focusing more on Lightning, not only is she a more interesting character than her sister but the situation she's in seems to be a lot more interesting, not to mention that it dwelves into the mythology that was only briefly mentioned in the previous game. This is in line with the second paragraph I quoted above.

He also said:

"Noel won't be the only new main character to appear"

I would really like to see the dynamic between Light and a character like Balthier.

I'm also curious to see how the staff is dealing with the pressure of such a tight schedule, lately they got used to taking forever to create a game, let's hope that a more intense development will have a positive effect on the final product.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on June 26, 2011, 02:12:07 AM
I'm less focused on the face and more on the designs. They couldn't make Lightning into a likable character in XIII so they whored her out.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on June 26, 2011, 07:19:29 AM
seriously man...lightning is one of my favorite characters...
please explain yourself or im gonna overthink it and assume the worst.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on June 26, 2011, 08:10:57 AM
You keep bringing up her face, what is it that bothers you so much?

http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv205/SasuSaku_03/SerahFarron-1.jpg

Does any human being on the face of the earth look like that?  Even remotely?  Her eyes are the shape of jellybeans and her hair looks like a wig.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on June 26, 2011, 08:13:37 AM
seriously man...lightning is one of my favorite characters...
please explain yourself or im gonna overthink it and assume the worst.
She looks like a Soul Calibur reject now. She wasn't likable at all before but now it's just a desperate grab for fan attention.

Does any human being on the face of the earth look like that?  Even remotely?  Her eyes are the shape of jellybeans and her hair looks like a wig.
Welcome to Final Fantasy.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on June 26, 2011, 09:02:45 AM
Does any human being on the face of the earth look like that?  Even remotely?  Her eyes are the shape of jellybeans and her hair looks like a wig.
Welcome to Final Fantasy.

More like, welcome to 99% of Anime/Manga.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on June 26, 2011, 09:43:46 AM
To be fair, they've never been attempting to really achieve realism.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 26, 2011, 03:03:28 PM

Does any human being on the face of the earth look like that?  Even remotely?  Her eyes are the shape of jellybeans and her hair looks like a wig.
Welcome to Final Fantasy jrpgs.

I mean, come on... You're seriously questioning a japanese character design because it isn't realistic?!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on June 26, 2011, 04:04:07 PM
There's being unrealistic, then there's just looking stupid. I do think FFXIII's design for Lightning was much better than what I've seen of XIII-2's.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on June 26, 2011, 06:03:50 PM
Agreed, and I liked Lightning. She was a breath of fresh air.

Vanille, I wanted to strangle.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on June 26, 2011, 06:55:40 PM
There's being unrealistic, then there's just looking stupid.

Again, both apply to the majority of characters, FFXIII is far from being one of the worst offenders. Looking at current gen jrpgs, when things filled with abominations like SO4 and AT3 exist, singling out a character from XIII is just weird to me. It's obvioulsy a matter of taste but in my opinion you would have to go through dozens of other characters before even thinking about anyone from FFXIII. At least we all agree that Light looked better in her old outfit.

Again, I liked her. After the way she behaved with Snow in the first chapters, the way she approached him to break the ice (no pun intended) and apologize went down well with me, that couple of conversations she had with him (end of chapter 7 and start of chapter 11) showed a different side of her personality that the circumstances ultimately forced her to reveal. Though many people say that she suddenly became soft, she never lost her determination and she is the one who leads the party to their ultimate objective. Her behaviour towards the others in the party changed but the rest didn't.

I already went over this in the game's thread and was trying to talk about the sequel without getting into this again but whatever, just skip the part where you tell me this is bullshit and I'm retarded so we don't have to repeat the whole process again.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Legaia on June 27, 2011, 12:08:17 AM
I finally played through all of FFXIII and it's tied for my least favorite Final Fantasy (along with the abysmal Final Fantasy VIII). The battle system was so uninvolved it put me to sleep. From what I've seen with Final Fantasy XIII-2 (such an offputting title, XIII-2 doesn't even make sense just like X-2) it's just more of the same. Though there are some aspects that look a little more interesting like being able to use enemies in battle, I just don't think it'll change my opinion. Square should just come to terms with the fact that FFXIII was a total failure and just move on to a completely different story and hopefully get it right with that one.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on June 27, 2011, 12:41:01 PM
Does anyone miss the simple but Iconic designs of the older final fantasies?

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Annubis on June 27, 2011, 12:54:11 PM
I do.
Also, when they modernize the old characters, they make them look ridiculous. Have you seen the 3D Kefka and Butz? What the crap.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on June 27, 2011, 04:05:39 PM
what do you consider old? the first FF that i felt had cool looking characters was FF8 or FFT. but if you are not just talking about looks the earliest FF i played was FFV at that was fairly light hearted at times same goes for FF9.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on July 02, 2011, 01:24:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ez3K0GgqE&feature=player_embedded

For anyone who worried about a lack of Lightning.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 02, 2011, 06:06:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ez3K0GgqE&feature=player_embedded

For anyone who worried about a lack of Lightning.

I don't see your point, we saw that at E3 and it has been posted in this thread more than once.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on July 02, 2011, 12:57:45 PM
Except they only showed what, 30 seconds of that at E3 (and the linked videos)? That's the entire battle which I never saw during the show. Or even after.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 02, 2011, 02:00:44 PM
Except they only showed what, 30 seconds of that at E3 (and the linked videos)? That's the entire battle which I never saw during the show. Or even after.

That's not what I mean, how is it related to people being worried about a lack of Lightning considering we already knew about that part of the game?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on July 02, 2011, 04:32:46 PM
The fact that she's playable, for one. I didn't see her being player-controlled in the E3 trailer since her part was really short. Then again, there might have been footage behind closed doors like this one was.

(I never actually doubted that she was playable, but after E3 a lot of people complained that she didn't seem like a big part or really visible in the media.)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 02, 2011, 05:44:27 PM
The fact that she's playable, for one. I didn't see her being player-controlled in the E3 trailer since her part was really short. Then again, there might have been footage behind closed doors like this one was.

(I never actually doubted that she was playable, but after E3 a lot of people complained that she didn't seem like a big part or really visible in the media.)

The whole fight was shown at E3 just like in that vid. It had already been posted twice in this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82UWu0anRjA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82UWu0anRjA)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on July 02, 2011, 06:15:33 PM
Again, it was likely behind closed doors because I was at E3 and didn't see it. Nor was I even reading this thread. Either way the one I found was longer.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kstar on July 02, 2011, 06:31:13 PM
This was featured in the demo that I saw behind closed doors.  Readers have been complaining about Lightning not being a focus of the game - worried there's more Serah than Noel than anything.  Liz was just sharing some footage, what's the harm?  This is a long thread, it's hard to keep track of every single video that has been posted in it.

I think it's too early for anyone to speculate how much of the focus will be on Lightning, a lot of people jumped the gun when they saw E3 footage and immediately deemed her a side character (I'm not accusing anyone here, I'm saying what I've seen around the internet).  We don't know that.  Personally, from what I saw at E3, I was getting the vibe that they were going to go back and forth between Lightning's struggles to Serah and Noel trying to find her.  Maybe people wanted to be in control of Lightning the whole time and that's where the disappointment stems.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 02, 2011, 06:38:31 PM
I'm just saying that we knew she was playable since E3. That demo was behind closed doors but it leaked on the same day.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on July 04, 2011, 01:22:29 PM
I like the cinematic horse riding while fighting thing going on. It kind of makes me wonder why more JRPGs can't be just badass cinematic fights in general.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on July 04, 2011, 01:35:30 PM
I'm just saying that we knew she was playable since E3. That demo was behind closed doors but it leaked on the same day.

And I'm just saying that not everyone seemed to know that even after E3. (per Kim's post)

I like the cinematic horse riding while fighting thing going on. It kind of makes me wonder why more JRPGs can't be just badass cinematic fights in general.

Because people hate QTEs.

Seriously though - the Lightning/Bahamut fight is the most impressive thing I've seen out of this game so far. I actually didn't know what to think of the E3 demo (Noel/Serah's parts) because I haven't exactly beaten the first game. Now I kind of want to...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on July 04, 2011, 02:07:11 PM
"Playable" is such a loose term as far as FFXIII is concerned.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 07, 2011, 08:53:59 AM
You can control the camera during event scenes:

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/29/ffxiii_2_event_scenes/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/29/ffxiii_2_event_scenes/)

Looks like you have control over the camera during real time cutscenes. Get ready to see the net flooded with panty shots.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on July 07, 2011, 03:53:35 PM
"Playable" is such a loose term as far as FFXIII is concerned.

you say that as if its something new with final fantasy games.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on July 11, 2011, 02:03:51 PM
Latest screens

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2011/1846.html
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 11, 2011, 03:21:48 PM
Bah, i actually thought they wre going to show us something new. Hey look! Screenshots from the demo you saw a month ago!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on July 11, 2011, 07:48:59 PM
Latest screens

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2011/1846.html


who's the other returning character
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on July 11, 2011, 09:23:16 PM
Lebreau.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 12, 2011, 05:47:11 PM
Japan expo trailer:

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/07/01/final-fantasy-xiii-2-footage-straight-from-japan-expo/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/07/01/final-fantasy-xiii-2-footage-straight-from-japan-expo/)

Unfortunately it's just a different montage of all the videos they showed previously.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on July 12, 2011, 08:23:19 PM
Japan expo trailer:

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/07/01/final-fantasy-xiii-2-footage-straight-from-japan-expo/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/07/01/final-fantasy-xiii-2-footage-straight-from-japan-expo/)

Unfortunately it's just a different montage of all the videos they showed previously.

It's Versus all over again. Expect to see the same footage for the next 3 years with maybe 3 seconds of new footage added on a yearly basis.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 13, 2011, 05:33:19 AM
Japan expo trailer:

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/07/01/final-fantasy-xiii-2-footage-straight-from-japan-expo/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/07/01/final-fantasy-xiii-2-footage-straight-from-japan-expo/)

Unfortunately it's just a different montage of all the videos they showed previously.

It's Versus all over again. Expect to see the same footage for the next 3 years with maybe 3 seconds of new footage added on a yearly basis.

Not possible since it will be released by the end of this year. Unless you're saying it will  be delayed which wouldn't really surprise anyone.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on July 13, 2011, 05:45:00 AM
Japan expo trailer:

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/07/01/final-fantasy-xiii-2-footage-straight-from-japan-expo/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/07/01/final-fantasy-xiii-2-footage-straight-from-japan-expo/)

Unfortunately it's just a different montage of all the videos they showed previously.

That's why I didn't bother posting the first one.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on July 15, 2011, 01:06:04 PM
Surprised no one shared yesterday's screens!

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2011/1860.html
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ULTROS! on July 18, 2011, 11:49:42 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/SquareEnixEmily/statuses/92978861385584641

Quote
FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 is slated for a January 2012 release for North America. Be excited!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 18, 2011, 12:21:32 PM
Damn, that's a lot sooner than I expected.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on July 18, 2011, 12:23:48 PM
They did say early 2012, so I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: John on July 18, 2011, 12:26:57 PM
Obligatory "There is a website attached to these forums" post:

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2011/1875.html
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ULTROS! on July 18, 2011, 12:35:30 PM
Obligatory "There is a website attached to these forums" post:

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2011/1875.html

I always forget that this forum isn't NeoGAF-style (forum over main site)!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 18, 2011, 12:37:45 PM
I was expecting a 3 month gap like with XIII (December-March). Let's hope that every SE game from now on will be localized this fast.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on July 18, 2011, 02:41:45 PM
Is this going to be multi plat, or just PS3?

I hope I can play it, because its looking pretty good.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 18, 2011, 02:52:50 PM
Is this going to be multi plat, or just PS3?

I hope I can play it, because its looking pretty good.

Multi plat. You're probably thinking of Versus which is PS3 only.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on July 18, 2011, 03:31:58 PM
Multi plat. You're probably thinking of Versus which is PS3 only.

Or so they say... ;)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 18, 2011, 03:38:15 PM
Multi plat. You're probably thinking of Versus which is PS3 only.

Or so they say... ;)

I don't see the point of keeping the 360 version a secret but who knows?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on July 18, 2011, 04:41:16 PM
Multi plat. You're probably thinking of Versus which is PS3 only.

Or so they say... ;)

If it's a more open game it really might be unfeasible (or at least really annoying) to put it on the 360. Depends I guess if the data for the WORLD is able to fit on a single DVD with plenty of room to spare and they can just divide based on story events.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: John on July 18, 2011, 05:52:17 PM
Merged the two FFXIII-2 topics.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on July 19, 2011, 02:24:37 AM
I recently replayed FFXIII. The story's still shit, the dialogue is jejune, and the characters act like low functioning autistics, but the gameplay at least is now much more tolerable. The main bosses and enemies in the game just require constant staggering and attacking over and over with a few debuffs in between. The marks really made me use the full spectrum of the role system (I ended up turtling the last mark to death to get a five star ranking) and the optional enemies (like Long Gui and Shaolong Gui) are exercises in your knowledge and efficiency in using the paradigm system. There were a lot of missed opportunities. I really wanted to fight Titan, but never got to. It's like a tease or something. Here's this giant ass monster, and you don't get to fight it.

That being said, FFXIII-2 still looks atrocious to me. Noel's design is absurd, and I really want to know how they explain away Serah fighting and Snow not caring. What, is it like:

"Alright wifey, you can go out looking for your missing sister. I'll kick back with a beer, some chips, and fist bump my buddies."
"Why did I marry you again?"
"I looked like Cookie Monster in the ending sequence of the original game. OM NOM NOM!"

Ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 19, 2011, 02:32:30 AM
"Alright wifey, you can go out looking for your missing sister. I'll kick back with a beer, some chips, and fist bump my buddies."
"Why did I marry you again?"
"I looked like Cookie Monster in the ending sequence of the original game. OM NOM NOM!"

This is flawless. *claps*
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 19, 2011, 05:28:11 AM
I recently replayed FFXIII. The story's still shit, the dialogue is jejune, and the characters act like low functioning autistics, but the gameplay at least is now much more tolerable. The main bosses and enemies in the game just require constant staggering and attacking over and over with a few debuffs in between. The marks really made me use the full spectrum of the role system (I ended up turtling the last mark to death to get a five star ranking) and the optional enemies (like Long Gui and Shaolong Gui) are exercises in your knowledge and efficiency in using the paradigm system. There were a lot of missed opportunities. I really wanted to fight Titan, but never got to. It's like a tease or something. Here's this giant ass monster, and you don't get to fight it.

That being said, FFXIII-2 still looks atrocious to me. Noel's design is absurd, and I really want to know how they explain away Serah fighting and Snow not caring. What, is it like:

"Alright wifey, you can go out looking for your missing sister. I'll kick back with a beer, some chips, and fist bump my buddies."
"Why did I marry you again?"
"I looked like Cookie Monster in the ending sequence of the original game. OM NOM NOM!"

Ridiculous.


Maybe Snow... DIED between the 2 games!!!

OH NOES!!!!!

I mean, we haven't seen him in all this XIII-2 footage yet or is my memory playing tricks on me?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on July 19, 2011, 11:23:36 AM
I recently replayed FFXIII. The story's still shit, the dialogue is jejune, and the characters act like low functioning autistics, but the gameplay at least is now much more tolerable. The main bosses and enemies in the game just require constant staggering and attacking over and over with a few debuffs in between. The marks really made me use the full spectrum of the role system (I ended up turtling the last mark to death to get a five star ranking) and the optional enemies (like Long Gui and Shaolong Gui) are exercises in your knowledge and efficiency in using the paradigm system. There were a lot of missed opportunities. I really wanted to fight Titan, but never got to. It's like a tease or something. Here's this giant ass monster, and you don't get to fight it.

That being said, FFXIII-2 still looks atrocious to me. Noel's design is absurd, and I really want to know how they explain away Serah fighting and Snow not caring. What, is it like:

"Alright wifey, you can go out looking for your missing sister. I'll kick back with a beer, some chips, and fist bump my buddies."
"Why did I marry you again?"
"I looked like Cookie Monster in the ending sequence of the original game. OM NOM NOM!"

Ridiculous.

I'm curious why you felt the story was so shitty? I read your review and honestly I feel like this is one of the strongest stories to come out of the Final Fantasy series. I wholeheartedly like the characters and they feel quite real and honest to me. Sure, they are all very naive, but they are all also really young and carry a level of naivete I would expect of people that age growing up in that kind of environment. I'm not yet finished with the game, so maybe it drops the ball later on, but it seems like they did a really fine job with the most part and I've liked the trajectory the  game has taken.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 19, 2011, 12:43:57 PM
I recently replayed FFXIII. The story's still shit, the dialogue is jejune, and the characters act like low functioning autistics, but the gameplay at least is now much more tolerable. The main bosses and enemies in the game just require constant staggering and attacking over and over with a few debuffs in between. The marks really made me use the full spectrum of the role system (I ended up turtling the last mark to death to get a five star ranking) and the optional enemies (like Long Gui and Shaolong Gui) are exercises in your knowledge and efficiency in using the paradigm system. There were a lot of missed opportunities. I really wanted to fight Titan, but never got to. It's like a tease or something. Here's this giant ass monster, and you don't get to fight it.

That being said, FFXIII-2 still looks atrocious to me. Noel's design is absurd, and I really want to know how they explain away Serah fighting and Snow not caring. What, is it like:

"Alright wifey, you can go out looking for your missing sister. I'll kick back with a beer, some chips, and fist bump my buddies."
"Why did I marry you again?"
"I looked like Cookie Monster in the ending sequence of the original game. OM NOM NOM!"

Ridiculous.

I'm curious why you felt the story was so shitty? I read your review and honestly I feel like this is one of the strongest stories to come out of the Final Fantasy series. I wholeheartedly like the characters and they feel quite real and honest to me. Sure, they are all very naive, but they are all also really young and carry a level of naivete I would expect of people that age growing up in that kind of environment. I'm not yet finished with the game, so maybe it drops the ball later on, but it seems like they did a really fine job with the most part and I've liked the trajectory the  game has taken.


I'm actually more curious to know why he replayed the game considering he hated the hell out of it, especially considering the time it takes to complete.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on July 19, 2011, 12:49:03 PM
In the review he actually said he enjoyed it. He gave it an 81%. He didn't like the story though. I guess I'm just asking more in depth as far as why he felt that way about the story. I mean his opinion is his opinion, but I really do feel it's one of the stronger stories in the Final Fantasy series.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Zendervai on July 19, 2011, 12:59:12 PM
I have a friend who didn't like XIII's story, but when I finally got the reason out of her, it turns out that she just didn't like it being character driven almost to an extreme. And the database system was just annoying, but I agree on that point.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on July 19, 2011, 01:36:41 PM
I thought the overarching story got kinda weak, especially in the last quarter. But I thought the characters and writing were very good. I'm a little turned off by dismal tales of divine Armageddon, they're kind of a dime a dozen these days and they're all overly complex and strange. But this one was one of the better ones in that sense. I just thought the last quarter felt really disjointed. I thought they could have had more character interaction, too, because the things they had were top notch.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on July 19, 2011, 01:38:52 PM
My fear is that it will fall apart in the end, but yes, that is one of the things I have really liked about the game so far, that it is so character driven. I wish more games would do that honestly.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 19, 2011, 02:25:29 PM
I agree with you but we've been through this, the negativity surrounding this game is just overwhelming.

Anyway, the other characters must've een relegated to a very secondary role, not even a glimpse of them yet.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on July 19, 2011, 03:21:19 PM
I have a friend who didn't like XIII's story, but when I finally got the reason out of her, it turns out that she just didn't like it being character driven almost to an extreme. And the database system was just annoying, but I agree on that point.

I like character driven stories...when they have good characters.  The actual characters in XIII were atrocious.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on July 19, 2011, 09:56:41 PM
On why I hate the story/characters/dialogue:

The story is a mess. It begins fairly well, with an oppressive country floating in the sky that has similarities to North Korea (Pulse is evil! Kill everyone who touches anything from Pulse!), but after a while it devolves into absurd revelations and bizarre non-sequiturs. Some of the unimportant events were also idiotic: "Let's sneak by the monsters!" *Awkward tiptoeing* "OH SHIT THEY WOKE UP!" The final confrontation in particular ended up making no sense whatsoever. The bad guy wants you to kill Orphan but you refuse to but do it anyway because you're making the impossible possible. Then you turn to crystal but are revived miraculously. WTF? It's not like in Final Fantasy VII, where the ending leaves a lot of things open, but actually makes some sense. FFXIII relied entirely on improbable twists to carry the story.

The characters were horrible. I could stand Sazh, because he actually had some good motivations. Snow was tolerable because in a sea of people being darkgrim and really hard, he was actually positive and fairly nice. Vanille's bubbly and fun. Everyone else irritated me. The first half of the game consisted of Lighting telling people to fuck off for no real reason and then beating the crap out of them (let's face it, if Lightning and Snow's genders were switched, the Lightning beating on Snow scene wouldn't have made people go "awesome!"), Hope's an irritating brat for 3/4 of the game, and Fang is just there as a device to move on the story. The personal revelations are insipid as well. "I was fighting because I was too scared to face my fate" and "I didn't tell anyone I set everything in motion because then nobody would like me" are really bad twists. The character crisis moments made some sense at first, but then near the end of the game they start coming out of nowhere: "FANG DON"T SAY THAT YOU'RE WRONG ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH -" *Eidolon battle* As idiotic as the main cast is, the supporting characters were even worse. They made made two or three appearances before getting killed off, and some of them don't even get a death scene (Rygdea, in particular, was ludicriously handled - he didn't even get a death scene). Jihl Nabaat is played up as this ruthless ice queen who you'd have to fight eventually, but she spends her time acting like a moron, then getting killed before doing anything resembling significant. Don't get me started on Cid, either.

Finally, the dialogue. The dialogue was just horrible. Hope mumbling "Operation NORA" every few seconds to himself is well-documented, but then you have stuff like Jihl Nabaat, who was ostensibly a competent and strong military leader who ends up getting played for laughs when you enter the Palamecia and she starts throwing out random colors because she FORGOT THE COLOR CODING OF CRISIS EVENTS. It took all the gravitas out of what was supposed to be a dramatic and tense prison break scene. And the scene where Lightning is telling Hope that he needs hope because that's his name? As Parn succinctly put it: "That's like naming a character Anger and then having other characters telling him that his name is Anger so he should give in to his rage and go on a killing spree." I'll let you decide what's wrong with Snow's HEROES DON'T NEED PLANS speeches. And considering Snow's one of my more favored characters in the game, it's really exasperating that his dialogue is so terrible.

I like character driven stories. Suikoden 5 was fairly character driven. So was Mass Effect 2. So was Persona 3 and 4. I liked all of those on different levels. FF13 was basically just a mess.

Also, those asking why I replayed it: take a look at my trophy list and you'll get the idea.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on July 20, 2011, 04:56:52 AM
Quote
(let's face it, if Lightning and Snow's genders were switched, the Lightning beating on Snow scene wouldn't have made people go "awesome!")
 
???
so most people are douchebags for thinking so?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on July 20, 2011, 05:10:34 AM
That's what I was getting at, yes. That scene had no rhyme or reason.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alisha on July 20, 2011, 05:33:32 AM
ok thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 20, 2011, 07:27:40 AM
On why I hate the story/characters/dialogue:

The story is a mess. It begins fairly well, with an oppressive country floating in the sky that has similarities to North Korea (Pulse is evil! Kill everyone who touches anything from Pulse!), but after a while it devolves into absurd revelations and bizarre non-sequiturs. Some of the unimportant events were also idiotic: "Let's sneak by the monsters!" *Awkward tiptoeing* "OH SHIT THEY WOKE UP!" The final confrontation in particular ended up making no sense whatsoever. The bad guy wants you to kill Orphan but you refuse to but do it anyway because you're making the impossible possible. Then you turn to crystal but are revived miraculously. WTF? It's not like in Final Fantasy VII, where the ending leaves a lot of things open, but actually makes some sense. FFXIII relied entirely on improbable twists to carry the story.




Well, you're not using spoiler tags so I wont either.

OK, let's do this again:

Killing Orphan was a leap of faith, if they hadn't killed him he would've just created another bunch of l´cie and repeated the whole thing so they decided to end it right there and figure it out as they went. It could've ended up killing everyone in Cocoon (which would've happened anyway eventually) but they managed to use ragnarok to save it.
They turned into crystal because they completed their focus (you can even hear Sahz say "I guess that counts as a demolition") but since the fal'cie was destroyed their brands disappeared and the focus was lifted, freeing them from the crystal stasys.

I don't see what's so mindbending about this.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 20, 2011, 08:00:13 AM
Oh and is it so hard to believe that Vanille didn't have the guts to confess that this whole mess was her fault?

"Hey sahz, you know how your kid has a curse that will either turn him into a monster or a statue? Well, that's kinda my fault. Oh and the same goes for your sister Lightning. And you're whole town being purged? Yup, you guessed it. Now let's see what's at the end of this corridor."
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on July 20, 2011, 09:41:51 AM
The main problem with the final event was that it came out of nowhere and honestly made no sort of sense.

First of all, there was no foreshadowing or lead up. Every Final Fantasy before this had at least some sort of build up to the final conclusion that in retrospect made the story make a lot more sense (even when it was kind of weird like FFX's 'you're a dream guy from a dream world' stuff). This made the story even worse, especially because this 'leap of faith' was poorly done; there was nothing beforehand that made it viable at all. Then, Vanille and Fang turned into Ragnarok together. How? Fang turned into Ragnarok, then turned back into Fang, then they merged into a giant NEW Ragnarok that created a giant crystal pillar to hold up Cocoon. What the fuck?

Vanille's is only one personal revelation (which I still thought was poorly done), and the others make even less sense. It's really a clusterfuck of horrible writing and bad dialogue.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 20, 2011, 10:05:49 AM
The main problem with the final event was that it came out of nowhere and honestly made no sort of sense.

First of all, there was no foreshadowing or lead up. Every Final Fantasy before this had at least some sort of build up to the final conclusion that in retrospect made the story make a lot more sense (even when it was kind of weird like FFX's 'you're a dream guy from a dream world' stuff). This made the story even worse, especially because this 'leap of faith' was poorly done; there was nothing beforehand that made it viable at all. Then, Vanille and Fang turned into Ragnarok together. How? Fang turned into Ragnarok, then turned back into Fang, then they merged into a giant NEW Ragnarok that created a giant crystal pillar to hold up Cocoon. What the fuck?

Vanille's is only one personal revelation (which I still thought was poorly done), and the others make even less sense. It's really a clusterfuck of horrible writing and bad dialogue.

The game never says that only one person can become ragnarok, looking at the ragnarok that resulted from fang and vanille it actually seems that the more people merge to become ragnarok the more powerful it is.
I thought that their plan to save cocoon was actually quite ingenious, knowing that they would turn into crystal any second, they used ragnarok to create a pilar of lava and when it turned into crystal along with them it stopped cocoon from falling.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on July 20, 2011, 12:10:18 PM
I don't know much about the ending of FFXIII, but as for other Final Fantasies and "coming out of nowhere" it bears mentioning FFIX which had, IMO, the worst final boss ever. That doesn't excuse FFXIII, but I will reserve my judgment for when I see it. I understand a lot of your gripes with FFXIII but I don't think I can really align with them too much and feel like the characters really work well and I actually have liked "most" of the dialog.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 20, 2011, 12:19:43 PM
Yeah, FF9 is my favorite FF but they just pull the final boss out of their asses.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on July 20, 2011, 03:24:51 PM
Just like Lavos in trigger, but that didn't make it any less fun. Actually, come to think of it, I never did beat FFIX. Is the last disc really as bad as people say? Id appreciate as few spoilers as possible though, since I do actually intend to beat it some day.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on July 20, 2011, 04:10:04 PM
Of course it doesn't make it less fun, but it's really insane in FFIX how completely out of nowhere the final boss appears. It kind of killed the ending for me because those last fights were pretty damn difficult for me. I think it took me like 4 or 5 tries to get through the fights and then it becomes...that. It's still worth going through.

And if I remember correctly there is a lot of info given on who Lavos is and how it got there. It's just with Chrono Trigger you do have to put a bit more work in in uncovering the story.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: daschrier on July 20, 2011, 04:13:35 PM
The end of 99% of all JRPGs make no sense and are all overly complex. Nothing new with this game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 20, 2011, 04:39:48 PM
It's different, in FF9 it literally comes out of nowhere, there's no way in hell you can see it coming and it doesn't make any sense at all, it's completely alien to the plot, it's a true WTF moment.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on July 20, 2011, 04:41:42 PM
Completely stupid things shouldn't be excused just because others have done completely stupid things. Admittedly taste CAN be a factor, though it's hard to see anyone really liking this except because they're nostalgic FOR this kind of stupidity.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on July 20, 2011, 04:53:15 PM
I said there isn't any excuse for it, it was more to counter the point that all Final Fantasies had foreshadowing of events in the end...but FF9 has absolutely NO hint that that thing was coming.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on July 20, 2011, 05:20:50 PM
Didn't VIII pull a similar twist near the end? It was foreshadowed, but I'd say it still falls into the "out of it's ass" category.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on July 20, 2011, 05:26:09 PM
I think many Final Fantasies had pretty bad endings. VII's was pretty good, and X's as well, but the rest (that I've played) were kind of weak. I'm not there in XIII so I have a feeling it could disappoint as well, but I've enjoyed what I've played thus far and I know I will definitely be picking up XIII-2 when it comes out.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 20, 2011, 05:26:49 PM
Didn't VIII pull a similar twist near the end? It was foreshadowed, but I'd say it still falls into the "out of it's ass" category.

I'm not sure what you're reffering to, ultimacia had several forms but I don't remember any twist.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on July 20, 2011, 05:29:21 PM
I'm reffering to Ultimacia in general.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on July 20, 2011, 05:34:10 PM
Really, Ultimecia? Her presence is "there" through most of the game, and when they reveal her it isn't so out of left field. It's definitely nothing like IX.

Anyway, I think this has really strayed quite a bit. I was just interested in getting a more detailed view on why Leyvuir saw the story and characters in FFXIII as bad. It also baffled me drawing the comparison to XII's story (which, IMO, is among the worst) but to each his own of course.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on July 20, 2011, 05:41:23 PM
To me, FFXIII's story was bad because it used a bunch of confusing made up faux French terminology, that initially made no sense, to mask its shortcomings. When it all finally came together it turned out to be something simplistic and uninspired. The characters range from generic to annoying. You know something went wrong when the comedy relief comes across as the least annoying and most sensible of the bunch. I base this on roughly 15 hours of play. Maybe it gets better later on, but I stopped playing and haven't picked it up again for quite some time now.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 20, 2011, 05:50:39 PM
I think that reading episode 0 before playing the game made a huge difference for me. I knew all about fal'cie and l'cie, I had a lot of background for all the characters and I knew exactly what was going on at the start of the game.

That reminds me, they haven't explained how Serah can use magic without being a l'cie.

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on July 20, 2011, 05:53:32 PM
What? Plotholes? Look, Lightning has shiny armour, look at the armour, its shiny! Problem solved!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on July 20, 2011, 08:10:08 PM
I read episode 0 before playing XIII and I still hated it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Zendervai on July 20, 2011, 09:45:04 PM
A big part of the problem was the overreliance on the database. When Xenosaga did it, it covered things that would be a waste of time to explain in game, like the technology and random little details. A big chunk of the main plot of FFXIII is in the database, including some of the character motivations.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed XIII, but a unique world always draws me in.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on July 21, 2011, 03:10:21 PM
It's different, in FF9 it literally comes out of nowhere, there's no way in hell you can see it coming and it doesn't make any sense at all, it's completely alien to the plot, it's a true WTF moment.

Actually Necron's plot justification is that its the embodiment of the void which came knocking on the world's door when Kuja goes apeshit after getting his shit kicked in by Zidane and crew and nukes everything with Ultima, including the big, center of the universe crystal sitting in the middle of the room.

Basically, Necron's a throwback to FFIII's Cloud of Darkness, except, it was even less foreshadowed. Mainly because Kuja didn't know what would specifically happen when he :commissar:-ed it. Still out of loving nowhere but at least it makes narrative sense (talking like Yoda though is less so).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 21, 2011, 03:24:28 PM
Yeah but he only explains it when he appears, which doesn't change the fact that he appears out of nowhere. At that point he could say that he dropped out of Steiner's ass, it makes no difference. Fortunately there's nothing like that in any of the other FFs I played. Usually you spend a significant amount of time building up motivation to fight the final boss. What makes the fight with Sephirot so intense is the fact that it's the culmination of everything that happened previously. You have a story with that guy, you have a score to settle, he inspires fear because the game showed you how powerful he is on previous occasions, it's the climax of a huge build up.
This guy drops in and says "hi, nice to know you, I'm the final boss".
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 21, 2011, 03:29:25 PM
Wait. The fight with Sephiroth was suppose to be intense? I though it was ridiculous with the Super Nova and all weird shit that happens.

...what? I'm serious.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on July 21, 2011, 03:37:27 PM
I did some major grinding before I beat FFVII so my battle against Sephiroth lasted about one round. Having double summon on "Knights of the round" and three mimic materias meant that Sephiroth had just enough time to cast "shell" on himself. Hardly epic, but fairly satisfying.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on July 21, 2011, 04:11:38 PM
Yeah but he only explains it when he appears, which doesn't change the fact that he appears out of nowhere. At that point he could say that he dropped out of Steiner's ass, it makes no difference. Fortunately there's nothing like that in any of the other FFs I played. Usually you spend a significant amount of time building up motivation to fight the final boss. What makes the fight with Sephirot so intense is the fact that it's the culmination of everything that happened previously. You have a story with that guy, you have a score to settle, he inspires fear because the game showed you how powerful he is on previous occasions, it's the climax of a huge build up.
This guy drops in and says "hi, nice to know you, I'm the final boss".

Then why don't you try to explain what happens when you plug up a white hole?

Hell, Sephiroth wasn't even really the main antagonist. A significant portion of the game has you chasing around Jenova who kept assuming control of and mutating those infused with her cells, first into Sephiroth (mostly because he was the most able of those infused with her cells) which then morphed again into monstrosities like those seen in the Niblhiem reactor and the Jenova boss fights. And the whole plan was to reenact an extraplanetary impact similar to the one Jenova performed when she landed on the planet but on a much larger scale. The fights against Bizzaro and Safer Sephiroths are basically Sephiroth under Jenova's control in a last ditch effort of escaping death after her original body is destroyed. Only the fight between Cloud and Sephiroth in the very end is against the actual Sephiroth.

The tl;dr is that writing in a Final Fantasy game typically makes no goddamn sense.

Also, I bet you had quite the motivation going against Zeromus, didn't you. Or did you not play FFIV, in which case SPOILERS.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 21, 2011, 04:19:30 PM
I think I made my point, if you think sephiroth is a poor example replace it with whatever villain you like. Jesus Christ.

And no, I haven't played FF4 yet, thanks.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on July 21, 2011, 08:36:45 PM
CDFN, you're absolutely right. Necron is the most "out of nowhere" final boss I've ever encountered. The justification for it is lousy and the setup is lousy. I understand why they did it, they had two reasons actually:

1) To (partially) redeem Kuja, and sorta make him look week.

2) As a throwback to the early final fantasies, of which the final villain was always some spirit being that came out of nowhere.

But even in the early Final Fantasies, the spiritual beings weren't THAT out-of-the blue. Zeromus was basically Zemus's soul. It's not that different from the battle in which the final human villain turns into some kind of ghastly demon creature. You already had come to know Zemus, so the transformation into Zeromus was basically just the typical boss-battle transformation. Had Necron had simply been the embodiment of Kuja's evil soul, it would have been comparable to FFIV.

Modern RPG final bosses usually come in at least 2-3 forms. Square was trying to create a second form for the final boss sequence, since Kuja was only one battle. But they could have done it any number of ways. Throwback to FF6 with some God-like beings/artifacts defending Kuja, or have Kuja's trance go completely nuts, and have him turn into a big ol' demon (stupid, cliche, but would have been easier to stomach than Necron), or just have Kuja throw out some baddies for you to defeat first, FF8 style.

But then there's the problem of wanting to redeem Kuja. Well, it sorta works, for what it's worth. They were going for partial redemtion, and they got it... kuja does save your ass, but it's so late that it doesn't really redeem him much. I think that was what they wanted, and they got it. But they could have used an already developed antagonist to do it. Fuck, have the spirit of Garland come up and spite you... still bad, but better than Necron. And it wouldn't really have redeamed Kuja since we know Kuja hates Garland anyway. I don't know. But they're entire approach was bad. They just took a wrong turn with that one.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 22, 2011, 02:26:16 PM
I need an explanation for this (http://i.imgur.com/cG3vu.jpg).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Annubis on July 22, 2011, 02:45:29 PM
Zodiac sign?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on July 22, 2011, 02:56:26 PM
I need an explanation for this (http://i.imgur.com/cG3vu.jpg).

Not sure if you are serious or not. You collect coins with the signs of the Zodiac on it for a weird bird-lady. That chest had the Cancer coin.


I did do a double take the first time I opened that chest though.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 22, 2011, 05:26:23 PM
Ah, I see.

I was just asking because I haven't played Final Fantasy IX in a long time (like, 7 years I believe) and I didn't remember that part.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on July 22, 2011, 05:44:54 PM
Dam you all, I may have to dig up my copy of FFIX and actually play through it. I HAD OTHER PLANS!...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 25, 2011, 06:48:53 AM
Final Fantasy XIII-2 to Feature Costume and Monster DLC (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=1120)

Also kinda related to XIII-2, the Easy Mode patch for Final Fantasy XIII is now available (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=1116).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 25, 2011, 07:44:40 AM
Hm, I wonder why they removed the poll. Maybe it's already over? The art litographs and novel were winning by an overwhelming margin. The novel will be available on their site so people will still be able to get up to speed even if the book isn't included, though I think it should be in every copy of the game, just like episode 0 should've shipped with XIII.
DLC for monsters and costumes... I wonder how much they will charge for those and if we'll actually get new quests through dlc in the future.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 25, 2011, 10:46:57 AM
The novel will be available on their site so people will still be able to get up to speed even if the book isn't included, though I think it should be in every copy of the game, just like episode 0 should've shipped with XIII.

I wonder why they never translated the novel for the official websites of America and Europe of XIII, the Japanese site has the novel online and is the damn prologue of the game!

It really helps reading that before getting to understand the Fal'Cie nonsense and what not. But this thing with the novels bothers me a little, because it says a lot when your game has an story in where you have to read everything in order to understand what's happening, even the cutscenes.

If Metal Gear didn't do it before, why Final Fantasy has to start with this now?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on July 25, 2011, 11:00:01 AM
I'd rather this than what MGS4 did. That was absolutely HORRENDOUS storytelling. Hey, everyone gather around for a second while one guy just talks for 15 minutes and tells us EVERYTHING. Fantastic. You don't HAVE to read all that stuff in FFXIII to understand what's going on, it only better helps that understanding. I haven't read that prologue and I have absolutely no problem understanding what's going on. I didn't stop and read the datalog at every single step of the way, only when I felt like it, and most of the stuff in the datalog is hinted at enough in the story to get it. FFXIII isn't the best presentation, but it's better than some. People need to understand that not everything in a story has to be spelled out in order to understand it. So they didn't lay out what a fal'cie or l'cie is from the beginning, it in no way hinders anyone's understanding of what's going on, and in fact would have been so so annoying had they stopped and had silly conversations spelling it out to each other for the viewers sake because it would have made no sense.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 25, 2011, 11:21:17 AM
I'd rather this than what MGS4 did. That was absolutely HORRENDOUS storytelling. Hey, everyone gather around for a second while one guy just talks for 15 minutes and tells us EVERYTHING. Fantastic. You don't HAVE to read all that stuff in FFXIII to understand what's going on, it only better helps that understanding. I haven't read that prologue and I have absolutely no problem understanding what's going on. I didn't stop and read the datalog at every single step of the way, only when I felt like it, and most of the stuff in the datalog is hinted at enough in the story to get it. FFXIII isn't the best presentation, but it's better than some. People need to understand that not everything in a story has to be spelled out in order to understand it. So they didn't lay out what a fal'cie or l'cie is from the beginning, it in no way hinders anyone's understanding of what's going on, and in fact would have been so so annoying had they stopped and had silly conversations spelling it out to each other for the viewers sake because it would have made no sense.

I agree, besides, it's only confusing initially, the game explains things eventually. At least XIII has all the info inside the game. Nier's in-game story is only a small fraction of the whole and to get the whole thing you need to watch the secret ending of a PS2 game nobody played and read a novel that only exists officialy in japanese.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: GrimReality on July 25, 2011, 02:04:05 PM

Also kinda related to XIII-2, the Easy Mode patch for Final Fantasy XIII is now available (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=1116).

I wish they would release that in North America. Then I might stop hesitating and actually play the damn game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on July 26, 2011, 12:26:24 AM
Final Fantasy XIII-2 to Feature Costume and Monster DLC (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=1120)

Also kinda related to XIII-2, the Easy Mode patch for Final Fantasy XIII is now available (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=1116).

Oh look, they're already working out what they can use to nipple and boob consumers with, and that's for a product that feels more like an expansion than a full game.

FFXIII-2, $70 for an incomplete expansion to a tech demo. Yeah, I'm not buying.

Also why in god's name does FFXIII need an easy mode? Too hard to bother switching between two different paradigms? Can't make your own paradigms? Too lazy to press auto attack?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on July 26, 2011, 12:43:12 AM
Maybe you should actually check out what Easy Mode does. It seems like so many people say the same thing without having an idea of what it actually does. It just makes it easier to stagger some enemies as well as increasing the drop rate of items. The game has a pretty crappy drop rate so them addressing that is pretty nice.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on July 26, 2011, 02:48:37 AM
Aeolus, I've been pretty vocal about my own dislike of FFXIII but I still don't have the slightest idea what you're ranting about.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on July 26, 2011, 05:04:20 AM
FFXIII-2, $70 for an incomplete expansion to a tech demo. Yeah, I'm not buying.

Wait... huh??

I agree, besides, it's only confusing initially, the game explains things eventually. At least XIII has all the info inside the game. Nier's in-game story is only a small fraction of the whole and to get the whole thing you need to watch the secret ending of a PS2 game nobody played and read a novel that only exists officialy in japanese.

As much as I don't HATE FFXIII, I thought that some of that was pretty bad storytelling. Sure, it's not "sit around in an armchair and talk with you for 30 minutes" bad, but it's pretty sad when you have to compare it to that just to look on the bright side. I still don't understand why they formatted it that way. I'm all for having extra tidbits of info and a journal (yeah!), but when it's impossible to make sense of the story without it, and even THEN it's kinda hazy, probably the writers should have rethought what they were doing.

And, to be honest, as much as I loved Nier, I'm not sure that reading the backstory helped to further my amazement of the game. If anything, the backstory seemed so weird and out there compared to the relatively simple game, that it just seemed pretentious.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 26, 2011, 05:35:48 AM


I agree, besides, it's only confusing initially, the game explains things eventually. At least XIII has all the info inside the game. Nier's in-game story is only a small fraction of the whole and to get the whole thing you need to watch the secret ending of a PS2 game nobody played and read a novel that only exists officialy in japanese.

As much as I don't HATE FFXIII, I thought that some of that was pretty bad storytelling. Sure, it's not "sit around in an armchair and talk with you for 30 minutes" bad, but it's pretty sad when you have to compare it to that just to look on the bright side. I still don't understand why they formatted it that way. I'm all for having extra tidbits of info and a journal (yeah!), but when it's impossible to make sense of the story without it, and even THEN it's kinda hazy, probably the writers should have rethought what they were doing.

And, to be honest, as much as I loved Nier, I'm not sure that reading the backstory helped to further my amazement of the game. If anything, the backstory seemed so weird and out there compared to the relatively simple game, that it just seemed pretentious.

Oh I agree on both, but objectively that's how it is. Of course Nier has a better story and also presents it a lot better but if you're interested in everything that happened before (it's a time line that spawns thousands of years) you will have to do that research. I agree that the backstory is a bit pretentious and not essential to enjoy the game but the backstories of the individual characters and the small stories that happen during and after the game and you don't get to see deserve to be read by anyone who has bought the game. They are truly fantastic.

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on July 26, 2011, 04:36:04 PM
Maybe you should actually check out what Easy Mode does. It seems like so many people say the same thing without having an idea of what it actually does. It just makes it easier to stagger some enemies as well as increasing the drop rate of items. The game has a pretty crappy drop rate so them addressing that is pretty nice.

I know what it doesn't, and that's come out here, like every other redux'd version of every other FF game after FFX did. So this is all a moot point. (You might want to get on that petition thing now while the chance of having the most popular petition is still available.)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on July 26, 2011, 07:17:58 PM
This is just a patch, not a full release. It may come here, who knows. It doesn't affect me much since I'm not interested in achievements or end game stuff. This is really to make it a little easier for people out to get all the weapons and shit like that because the drop rate on too many items is ridiculously low.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on July 27, 2011, 09:04:24 AM
Q&A: The real story behind Final Fantasy XIII-2 (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35385/QA_The_Real_Story_Behind_Final_Fantasy_XIII2.php)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on July 27, 2011, 04:06:53 PM
That was an interesting read. I just hope that they're not going from one extreme to the other with the player-driven/story-driven thing. I liked how story-driven it was. I understand how it could put a lot of people off, but I do hope that they maintain at least a somewhat guided narrative.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on July 27, 2011, 04:50:45 PM
That was an interesting read. I just hope that they're not going from one extreme to the other with the player-driven/story-driven thing. I liked how story-driven it was. I understand how it could put a lot of people off, but I do hope that they maintain at least a somewhat guided narrative.

Oh they will, this is FF after all.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on July 27, 2011, 05:01:23 PM
Actually, Toriyama stated that it won't be like FFX-2 where they changed everything, so it's likely isn't going to be extreme. It like FFXIII-2 will be FFX only more open-ended.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on August 07, 2011, 06:12:19 PM
SE wants you to know that Serah's pendant has a new chain.

(http://www.andriasang.com/blog/2011/08/05/ffxiii_2_pendant/2132457275.jpg)

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on August 07, 2011, 06:23:57 PM
Phew. Glad they told me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 09, 2011, 05:08:42 PM
Final Fantasy Versus XIII won't be at TGS + Other S-E TGS line-up news (http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=29947292&postcount=1)

I don't even know if I should be annoyed or indifferent about this anymore. Versus XIII was announced in 2006, I was in Highschool when they announced this thing.

This game is going to suffer the "Osborne effect" just like Duke Nukem Forever.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on August 09, 2011, 05:22:44 PM
Just pretend it doesn't exist, it's a waste of time thinking about it.

Besides, I don't think it's because they don't have anything to show, they just don't want to take the spotlight away from XIII-2 which will be very close to release by the time TGS rolls around. It makes sense to focus on XIII-2 considering it's the last big event before it hits stores, they will have plently of time to build hype for Versus, it will probably be their main game on all shows in 2012.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on August 09, 2011, 06:58:45 PM
Final Fantasy Versus XIII won't be at TGS + Other S-E TGS line-up news (http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=29947292&postcount=1)

I don't even know if I should be annoyed or indifferent about this anymore. Versus XIII was announced in 2006, I was in Highschool when they announced this thing.

Come on, did anyone actually expect it at TGS?  It's pretty clear now that these games weren't even really in development when they were announced.  At least Type-0 is coming soon.

Quote
This game is going to suffer the "Osborne effect" just like Duke Nukem Forever.

I don't think that term means what you think it means...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on August 09, 2011, 07:04:21 PM
Quote
This game is going to suffer the "Osborne effect" just like Duke Nukem Forever.

I don't think that term means what you think it means...

Finish the post man. Tell me, what does it mean?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on August 11, 2011, 08:34:41 AM
New screens:

https://member.eu.square-enix.com/en/blogs/new-final-fantasy-xiii-2-screenshots-celebrate-our-moogle-friend (https://member.eu.square-enix.com/en/blogs/new-final-fantasy-xiii-2-screenshots-celebrate-our-moogle-friend)

Looks like you can throw the moogle to open treasure chests that are out of your reach.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on August 11, 2011, 09:51:05 AM
IGN has a new interview with Toriyama:

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/118/1187373p1.html (http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/118/1187373p1.html)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on August 11, 2011, 11:00:12 AM
Random Battles
Quick-Time Events
Rap Music
Final Fantasy XIII-2
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on August 22, 2011, 06:32:59 PM
Trailer narrated by by Producer Kitase Yoshinori and Director Toriyama Motomu and new pics:

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/118/1189602p1.html (http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/118/1189602p1.html)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: OkamiGeisha on August 22, 2011, 08:15:58 PM
The game has a pretty crappy drop rate so them addressing that is pretty nice.

Agreed.  I'd use easy mode if they made it available.  It's not so much a matter of the game being too hard as it is too time consuming.  Since people who grew up with the series still want to play it, making it more convenient to people with less spare time would be great. 

I can't keep track of time while playing any FF game or any RPG for that matter, but I know some of the boss batters were really long and took forever to stagger even when you had a good strategy.   
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on August 25, 2011, 02:36:32 PM
New trailer:

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2011/08/25/final-fantasy-xiii-2-quest-for-lightning-trailer?objectid=97872 (http://uk.ign.com/videos/2011/08/25/final-fantasy-xiii-2-quest-for-lightning-trailer?objectid=97872)

Lots of new footage and one of XIII's characters returns.

So Snow is just a friend now? Are you telling me that after all that shit they broke up?! LMAO!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on August 26, 2011, 03:06:07 AM
I guess Serah-chan has either gotten wet for her Nisan or for He-Fang.

Either way, Snow deserved to get friendzoned.

Also why should he be complaining? He's got a motorcycle made out of Lesbian Transformer Twins. Even Vanille's Autobot Vibrator doesn't compare.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on August 26, 2011, 09:35:15 AM
IGN has a new trailer (http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/08/25/final-fantasy-xiii-2-quest-for-lightning-trailer)

I am one of the people that fully enjoyed XIII, from start to finish but I'm not sure I'm hyped for XIII-2. I mean, I played the Japanese version and even with my average japanese I was able to understand most of the plot, read the items and abilities with a certain ease but later down the road SquareEnix does what a lot of fans asked from the start, a version with the japanese audio and everything else in english, the asian version.

I think I'm going to wait for that version. The sad thing is that I'll probably have to wait a year for it but at least I'll get what I really want with no regrets.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on August 26, 2011, 10:34:20 AM
IGN has a new trailer (http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/08/25/final-fantasy-xiii-2-quest-for-lightning-trailer)

I am one of the people that fully enjoyed XIII, from start to finish but I'm not sure I'm hyped for XIII-2. I mean, I played the Japanese version and even with my average japanese I was able to understand most of the plot, read the items and abilities with a certain ease but later down the road SquareEnix does what a lot of fans asked from the start, a version with the japanese audio and everything else in english, the asian version.

I think I'm going to wait for that version. The sad thing is that I'll probably have to wait a year for it but at least I'll get what I really want with no regrets.

I posted that trailer 2 posts above your post...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on August 26, 2011, 11:34:37 PM
Oops. My bad.
Well, at least it's a nice trailer. I just wished some of these new trailer showed more some of the new features SE says the game has, like collecting monsters the battles with QTE, etc.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on August 27, 2011, 12:40:34 AM
Played a pretty meaty demo of this at PAX today.  It was...I don't know.  More FFXIII, I guess.  One thing they certainly did change was having more interesting locations than just straight tunnels, as well as towns and the like.  But otherwise it feels a lot like FFXIII, and I had more complaints about that game than just the super linearity (though it is nice to see that addressed...).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on August 27, 2011, 06:20:48 AM
Oops. My bad.
Well, at least it's a nice trailer. I just wished some of these new trailer showed more some of the new features SE says the game has, like collecting monsters the battles with QTE, etc.

The trailers show a ton of QTE's dude.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Serene Prophet on August 28, 2011, 06:06:03 PM
As much as I recall about XIII and the things I didnt care for, that newest vid was kinda cool.  I will at least be giving it a shot, see how this one feels.  If anything at least SE can make stuff look pretty cool (femme guy characters aside)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on August 28, 2011, 07:27:29 PM
All my excitement for this game kind of dissipated once I finished XIII. I really did enjoy XIII, but I guess it just fell apart a bit too much at the end and left me very underwhelmed. I'll still get XII-2 when it comes out as I really love the battle system, but that excitement is definitely gone.

Also, I'm interested by the "good friend" comment as well by Serah, and read it more as something happening to Snow. It'll be interesting to see what.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: lavarock on August 28, 2011, 08:48:59 PM
Snow is dead?  Maybe now I have an incentive to buy this game;)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on August 29, 2011, 05:11:53 AM
IMO, FFXIIIs main problems are it's super-linearity, lack of towns (NPCs), and bad storytelling. I loved the battle system, characters, VA, and especially music. FFXIII-2 seems to set out to right all that I disliked with FFXIII, and keep the good things. I'm game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on August 29, 2011, 08:16:58 AM
Snow is dead?  Maybe now I have an incentive to buy this game;)

Makes two of us!

I really enjoyed XIII but I don't know why I'm not even a little exited to play this. That is why I'll probably wait for the jap version to became cheaper or an asian version (translated ). The game I'm really hoping to get my hands on is Type-0.

Maybe I just need a bit more time to feel the urge to go back to pulse.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 02, 2011, 01:19:44 PM
New info provided by Jump:

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Noel is from the future. He's the last surviving human from his time.
Lightning continues fighting as a knight protecting a shrine of the goddess Etro in Valhalla now.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 02, 2011, 01:24:53 PM
New info provided by Jump:

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Noel is from the future. He's the last surviving human from his time.
Lightning continues fighting as a knight protecting a shrine of the goddess Etro in Valhalla now.

Yep, this game is dumb. This reminds me that I still have to sell my copy of XIII... I should buy a pizza with the money I can get.

;9
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on September 02, 2011, 02:24:07 PM
I hope to see an actual third playable character for the third slot. Somehow, I think the whole "tame monsters to fight with you" mechanic reminds me of how awful and stupid Tales of Symphonia 2 was with it.

And do not even think about a useless level limit cap.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 03, 2011, 04:49:53 AM
New info provided by Jump:

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Noel is from the future. He's the last surviving human from his time.
Lightning continues fighting as a knight protecting a shrine of the goddess Etro in Valhalla now.

And here I thought she was going all Valkyrie Profile on us with just the armor. :/
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on September 03, 2011, 05:17:53 AM
Don't get the hate for Snow. He was one of the best things about the game. His corny speeches fit better than the "I'M A REAL PERSON WITH REAL FEELINGS" bullshit from the rest of the cast, save maybe Sazh.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on September 03, 2011, 05:36:46 PM
The "WE'RE THE HEROES" line ad infinitum, hanging out with a group of 80s hair band rejects, plus riding on a lesbian motorcycle with weak rock music made him completely unlikeable to me.  Square pulled out the same 90s ideas that Sega continues to use to make Sonic seem cool in a different decade.  It has the opposite of the intended effect.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 03, 2011, 09:54:35 PM
New info provided by Jump:

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Noel is from the future. He's the last surviving human from his time.
Lightning continues fighting as a knight protecting a shrine of the goddess Etro in Valhalla now.

Yep, this game is dumb. This reminds me that I still have to sell my copy of XIII... I should buy a pizza with the money I can get.

;9

So not a fan of Radiant Historia or, Chrono Trigger? Because this pretty much the same basic premise. Don't see anything wrong with it.

Also this more like background info rather than spoiler since SE revealed it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 03, 2011, 10:00:25 PM
So not a fan of Radiant Historia or, Chrono Trigger? Because this pretty much the same basic premise. Don't see anything wrong with it.

Also this more like background info rather than spoiler since SE revealed it.

Neither of those were sequels to generally reviled games, and you DID see posthumous backlash like this to Chrono Cross anyway.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 03, 2011, 10:39:47 PM
Well if that's the case then it probably doesn't what kind of plot FFXIII-2 had anyway, it would be heavily (and probably unfairly) criticized till it came out. I'm not big a fan of FFXIII either (more neutral), but in the end this different game much like FFX and FFX-2.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 03, 2011, 10:44:59 PM
I'm being cautiously optimistic myself. And a LOT of this has to do with how SE's been over the last several years, at this point it looks entirely possible that their Eidos content will be the great stuff while the rest is either trash, non-existant, or Dragon Quest.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on September 03, 2011, 10:53:06 PM
Have you played the Type-0 demo, Eusis?  It's fantastic.  I wouldn't completely write off S-E yet...but then, it would be nice to hear them announce some plans to actually release that game outside of Japan...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 03, 2011, 10:59:00 PM
I'm being cautiously optimistic myself. And a LOT of this has to do with how SE's been over the last several years, at this point it looks entirely possible that their Eidos content will be the great stuff while the rest is either trash, non-existant, or Dragon Quest.

I dunno, while their console offerings haven't been great (Front Mission Evolved and Mind Jack) but their hand-held games are some of the best on DS and PSP. Even T3B despite it's terrible plot had great gameplay which makes it miles better than PE2.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 03, 2011, 11:16:33 PM
Have you played the Type-0 demo, Eusis?  It's fantastic.  I wouldn't completely write off S-E yet...but then, it would be nice to hear them announce some plans to actually release that game outside of Japan...

Nope, but it IS one of the Japanese SE games I'm most interested in.

I dunno, while their console offerings haven't been great (Front Mission Evolved and Mind Jack) but their hand-held games are some of the best on DS and PSP. Even T3B despite it's terrible plot had great gameplay which makes it miles better than PE2.

This is a mostly valid point. Mostly, because it seems as if their portable output is spontaneously evaporating, and for better or worse they've skimped on localizing quite a few of them over the last few years (though it was probably only the Nanashi no Game and SaGa series that were a shame to miss.) That, and while Tactics Ogre was a sublime remake it sounds as if most of the staff may've just vacated and headed to Level 5, so unless SE's kind enough to outsource a new Ivalice/Ogre game to them then that point is immediately killed.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: lavarock on September 04, 2011, 12:16:43 AM
Makes two of us!

I really enjoyed XIII but I don't know why I'm not even a little exited to play this. That is why I'll probably wait for the jap version to became cheaper or an asian version (translated ). The game I'm really hoping to get my hands on is Type-0.

Maybe I just need a bit more time to feel the urge to go back to pulse.

I will be sold if FFXIII-2 is entirely on Pulse... But SE is good at dashing my dreams.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: lavarock on September 04, 2011, 12:21:08 AM
Neither of those were sequels to generally reviled games, and you DID see posthumous backlash like this to Chrono Cross anyway.

With recent spoiler, looks like the plot of this game is gonna go down the drain.  Plus the monster collection mechanics aka toS2. 

However, I will still buy the game though, looks like miles better than 13 itself.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on September 04, 2011, 12:22:41 AM
The "WE'RE THE HEROES" line ad infinitum, hanging out with a group of 80s hair band rejects, plus riding on a lesbian motorcycle with weak rock music made him completely unlikeable to me.  Square pulled out the same 90s ideas that Sega continues to use to make Sonic seem cool in a different decade.  It has the opposite of the intended effect.
All good points, but the whole story is a crock of shit anyway, so he fits right in with his b movie antics. The others on the other hand stink ofnthat "It's the PSX era and everyone has to be a gritty and dark asshole now. Except the black guy, cause he's just comic relief." I'm surprised they didn't go with the 'minority dies first' movie trope.

Also, having snow and serah break up completely invalidates the point of the first game. It's absurd, and my opinion of this sequel has dropped even more now, if that's even possible.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 04, 2011, 12:28:24 AM
Neither of those were sequels to generally reviled games, and you DID see posthumous backlash like this to Chrono Cross anyway.

With recent spoiler, looks like the plot of this game is gonna go down the drain.  Plus the monster collection mechanics aka toS2. 

However, I will still buy the game though, looks like miles better than 13 itself.

Personally, I'm also more interested in the gameplay (as you seem to be implying) than the story. I don't think I've really seen FF as games to play mainly for story after VI itself, and even that was more "IV WAS AN AWESOME GAME AND ALL THOSE OTHER SQUARESOFT GAMES WERE AWESOME AND THIS IS GOING TO BE AWESOME TOO." Too bad maturity's only half the reason I don't think like that anymore, but that's beside the point. Anyways, if the gameplay turns out great I'm definitely onboard, as long as the execution is TOLERABLE (and it probably will be, or at least not as grating as SO4) then I'll give the game a fair chance.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 04, 2011, 06:11:13 AM
I still have high hopes for Versus, I'm optimistic after playing the Type 0 demo and I hope they're taking a good look at xenoblade since they seem to be going for a similar approach with the game's design.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 04, 2011, 06:14:12 AM


I will be sold if FFXIII-2 is entirely on Pulse...

We already know that this isn't the case. The whole playable demo they've shown takes place on cocoon and Light is in an entirely different universe.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 04, 2011, 12:53:59 PM
Neither of those were sequels to generally reviled games, and you DID see posthumous backlash like this to Chrono Cross anyway.

With recent spoiler, looks like the plot of this game is gonna go down the drain.  Plus the monster collection mechanics aka toS2. 

However, I will still buy the game though, looks like miles better than 13 itself.

When gamers heard that you would only be using 3 party members in FFX-2 for the whole game there was quite a bit of an uproar. It turn-out well end with it having the best battle system and gameplay in the series since FFV.

The very same could happen with FFXIII-2 since it has the elements, it just needs to be less linear. SE isn't Namco either and is known for having their crazy game mechanics work, so I think we should havee some faith there.



I will be sold if FFXIII-2 is entirely on Pulse...

We already know that this isn't the case. The whole playable demo they've shown takes place on cocoon and Light is in an entirely different universe.

Actually, it does take place on Pulse the area in the E3 demo was just one of ruins of Cocoon.  The E3 also had Noel making use of Time Gates to travel to sections the of area the party couldn't reach.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: lavarock on September 04, 2011, 01:11:49 PM
Personally, I'm also more interested in the gameplay (as you seem to be implying) than the story. I don't think I've really seen FF as games to play mainly for story after VI itself, and even that was more "IV WAS AN AWESOME GAME AND ALL THOSE OTHER SQUARESOFT GAMES WERE AWESOME AND THIS IS GOING TO BE AWESOME TOO." Too bad maturity's only half the reason I don't think like that anymore, but that's beside the point. Anyways, if the gameplay turns out great I'm definitely onboard, as long as the execution is TOLERABLE (and it probably will be, or at least not as grating as SO4) then I'll give the game a fair chance.

Yeah, that was what I was implying.  We all know the story is gonna SUCK, no matter what amount of turn-around they can manage with XIII's train-wreck plot.  I hope I am wrong, but I dont' really have much hope for the story to turn out OK based on the current spoilers. 

On the other hand, they can still redeem themselves with expansive environment, big cities and good combat.  The trailer makes the game look promising in those aspects.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: lavarock on September 04, 2011, 01:18:23 PM


I will be sold if FFXIII-2 is entirely on Pulse...

We already know that this isn't the case. The whole playable demo they've shown takes place on cocoon and Light is in an entirely different universe.

OK, I was just hoping. There is still hope that some of the game is on Pulse.

The idea of cocoon never makes much sense to me.  How can you have large cities and lakes and such on a small "asteroid"?  How did the tidal force of the planet not tear it apart?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: lavarock on September 04, 2011, 01:23:54 PM
When gamers heard that you would only be using 3 party members in FFX-2 for the whole game there was quite a bit of an uproar. It turn-out well end with it having the best battle system and gameplay in the series since FFV.

The very same could happen with FFXIII-2 since it has the elements, it just needs to be less linear. SE isn't Namco either and is known for having their crazy game mechanics work, so I think we should havee some faith there.
FFX-2 is not bad, the gameplay is fun but not sure about best since FFV part.  Anyway if this turn out like FFX-2 then day-1 and no complaints.

Actually, it does take place on Pulse the area in the E3 demo was just one of ruins of Cocoon.  The E3 also had Noel making use of Time Gates to travel to sections the of area the party couldn't reach.

This sounds good
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 04, 2011, 01:26:51 PM



Actually, it does take place on Pulse the area in the E3 demo was just one of ruins of Cocoon.  The E3 also had Noel making use of Time Gates to travel to sections the of area the party couldn't reach.

He said ENTIRELY on Pulse.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 04, 2011, 01:41:04 PM
Personally, I'm also more interested in the gameplay (as you seem to be implying) than the story. I don't think I've really seen FF as games to play mainly for story after VI itself, and even that was more "IV WAS AN AWESOME GAME AND ALL THOSE OTHER SQUARESOFT GAMES WERE AWESOME AND THIS IS GOING TO BE AWESOME TOO." Too bad maturity's only half the reason I don't think like that anymore, but that's beside the point. Anyways, if the gameplay turns out great I'm definitely onboard, as long as the execution is TOLERABLE (and it probably will be, or at least not as grating as SO4) then I'll give the game a fair chance.

Yeah, that was what I was implying.  We all know the story is gonna SUCK, no matter what amount of turn-around they can manage with XIII's train-wreck plot.  I hope I am wrong, but I dont' really have much hope for the story to turn out OK based on the current spoilers. 

On the other hand, they can still redeem themselves with expansive environment, big cities and good combat.  The trailer makes the game look promising in those aspects.

The stuff in Jump isn't a spoiler, it's the basic plot of the game. Everything written there was all implied by past trailers and the E3 demo that the party would be moving through time. FFXIII's plot itself is mostly done and FFXIII-2 is more it's only thing like FFX-2.

How well FFXIII-2 plot turns out will definitely depend on it's execution, but look at it this way: since the Dev team is introducing the concept of time-travel right in first few hours of the game like in CT and not some dumb mild-way plot twist for shock value, the theme will probably be used in a meaningful fashion.




He said ENTIRELY on Pulse.

But do ruins really count? =P
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 04, 2011, 02:56:15 PM




He said ENTIRELY on Pulse.

But do ruins really count? =P

Wut?! OK nevermind.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: OkamiGeisha on September 04, 2011, 03:24:26 PM
Somehow, I think the whole "tame monsters to fight with you" mechanic reminds me of how awful and stupid Tales of Symphonia 2 was with it.


I loved it in Final Fantasy Tactics and Rune Factory Frontier, so I'm all for taming monsters.  Actually, in FFT - WOTL, Chocobos were a huge help in some boss battles. I took them into practically all boss battles.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 04, 2011, 05:19:49 PM
So I was thinking about the story and... (spoilers)


Noel comes from a future where he's the only human left. Since there aren't any humans on Pulse we can assume that the society he lived in was the result of the Cocoon survivors colonizing Pulse. When I saw his design I actually assumed he came from the past, Oerba to be more specific, because his clothes are similar to Fang's.
So that's the second time all the humans living on Pulse are wiped out.


Lightning's story is a bit more complex, here's a transcription of the Fabula Nova Crystallis Mythology video for context:

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The universe of Fabula Nova Crystallis is divided in two — the visible world, and the invisible world; the world of the living, and the world of the dead. In the beginning a single god, called Buniberzei, defeated his mother, the goddess Muin, to take control of the world for himself, and the defeated Muin disappeared into the invisible world.
Becoming the sole ruler of the world did not satisfy Buniberzei, who was certain all of the world was destined to die due to a curse laid on it by his mother. In order to stop this, Buniberzei knew he had to destroy her. But because Muin had gone to the invisible world, she could no longer be reached. In order to find the door to the invisible world, Buniberzei created the first three fal'Cie, and the very first of all the fal'Cie was the fal'Cie Pulse. The duty

Buniberzei laid on him was to open the world and search for the door to Muin.
Next, he created the fal'Cie Etro, but unknowingly created her exactly in the image of Muin. Buniberzei thus feared Etro and gave her no power of her own. Instead, he created the fal'Cie Lindzei, and laid on him the duty to protect Buniberzei from all who might seek to destroy him. Buniberzei also gave Lindzei one special duty: to wake him once the time would come. Buniberzei then turned to crystal falling into an endless sleep.

Pulse wished to expand the world and created many fal'Cie and l'Cie. Lindzei wished to protect the world, so he also created many fal'Cie and l'Cie. Etro alone was powerless and could create nothing of her own. Etro thus tore at her body, letting her blood flow to the earth and disappeared from the visible world. From her blood sprung humankind, creatures born only to die.

That the visible world would one day be destroyed was no curse, only fate, and if the balance between the visible and the invisible worlds were destroyed, the universe itself would collapse. The goddess Muin could do nothing to stop this fate and she was being swallowed into the chaos of the invisible world, but just before her last moment, Etro came to her side.

Muin told Etro she must protect the balance of the world, before slipping into the chaos forever. But Etro didn't know the meaning behind Muin's words. She was lonely, but felt affection toward humans who live only to die. As they died, Etro smiled, and gave them chaos, and the humans named the chaos "heart," holding it inside them. Their hearts would become their power, but the humans did not yet know this.

Humans would come to call Pulse the all powerful ruler. Lindzei they named their protector. And Etro... Etro they named "death." And because humans held chaos so close to them, the world once again was in balance.

And Buniberzei continues sleeping. Until the end of forever.


In XIII-2 Light was summoned to the other world to protect Etro. I don't know what she's protecting her from but something obviously goes wrong and that is why Noel comes back. On second thought, it might be the guy with the purple her from the reveal trailer. They show him fighting with Lightning so he's probably the threat.
The monsters that are attacking the village at the begining of the last trailer are coming through some kind of portal so I'm guessing they're also coming from the future.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 04, 2011, 05:57:12 PM
In XIII-2 Light was summoned to the other world to protect Etro. I don't know what she's protecting her from but something obviously goes wrong and that is why Noel comes back. On second thought, it might be the guy with the purple her from the reveal trailer. They show him fighting with Lightning so he's probably the threat.
The monsters that are attacking the village at the begining of the last trailer are coming through some kind of portal so I'm guessing they're also coming from the future.

I actually think they are coming from the Valhalla (the world Lightning is in) to Pulse in the past where Serah and co are and eventually destroy mankind at some point. This would link both Lighning, Serah and Noel situation together rather nicely.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 04, 2011, 06:35:42 PM
That works too.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 05, 2011, 01:36:38 AM
New info provided by Jump:

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Noel is from the future. He's the last surviving human from his time.
Lightning continues fighting as a knight protecting a shrine of the goddess Etro in Valhalla now.

Yep, this game is dumb. This reminds me that I still have to sell my copy of XIII... I should buy a pizza with the money I can get.

;9

So not a fan of Radiant Historia or, Chrono Trigger? Because this pretty much the same basic premise. Don't see anything wrong with it.

Also this more like background info rather than spoiler since SE revealed it.

Or Dragon Ball Z for that matter. Or T2: Judgment Day. Or Time Cop. Or a bunch of other plots that involve someone coming from the future to prevent some horrible thing from happening.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 05, 2011, 02:06:59 AM
Or Dragon Ball Z for that matter. Or T2: Judgment Day. Or Time Cop. Or a bunch of other plots that involve someone coming from the future to prevent some horrible thing from happening.

You know, listing that many examples can arguably prove WHY people are justified in not wanting to see it pulled off here.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 06, 2011, 08:16:51 AM
Ali Hillis says they're done with voice recording. Damn, that was sooner than I expected. If a few years ago someone told me that a FF game would have the english voices recorded 3 months before it's even released in Japan I would've laughed, hard.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on September 06, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
Somehow, I think the whole "tame monsters to fight with you" mechanic reminds me of how awful and stupid Tales of Symphonia 2 was with it.


I loved it in Final Fantasy Tactics and Rune Factory Frontier, so I'm all for taming monsters.  Actually, in FFT - WOTL, Chocobos were a huge help in some boss battles. I took them into practically all boss battles.
Those are exceptions because I believe taming monsters was optional there. ToS2 practically forces you to use them given the previous cast will never touch lvl. 51 and thus high level enemies will cream them alive.

I mean, what if the window of using Hope or Snow gets taken over by monsters?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 06, 2011, 08:00:34 PM
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/09/06/ffxiii_2_time_travel_system/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/09/06/ffxiii_2_time_travel_system/)


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Dengeki's report suggests that you'll be able to freely travel back and forth through time.

This is part of the game's "Historiacross" system. Each area of the game world has a "gate." Activate it, and the Historiacross appears in the area. Using the Historiacross, you can select the location or era to which you'd like to travel next.


The name is retarded but it's a nice idea.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 07, 2011, 12:54:00 AM
I would think this might be interesting if I didn't remember that FFXIII-2 is largely comprised of leftover scraps of art assets from FFXIII-1.

Oh, and apparently a large portion of this system is going to comprise entirely of key hunts so I wouldn't be surprised if the plot relevance for many locations consists entirely of finding keys to open the portal to the next irrelevant key hunt.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 08, 2011, 09:55:48 AM
Lots of juicy new info and screens:

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/09/08/ffxiii_2_screens/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/09/08/ffxiii_2_screens/)

Present:

(http://www.abload.de/img/mhd144pn1latih49s8mxe63uac.jpg)

Future:

(http://www.abload.de/img/we3ue6449xde9548161w4inukg.jpg)



Valhalla actually looks pretty cool.

Damn, 2 QTE options:

(http://www.abload.de/img/co6jonnq67h96pmsf7c5u22u8o.jpg)

I guess the fight can play out differently depending on our choices.

As for the gates, looks like you'll have access to different eras of each area.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on September 08, 2011, 10:30:16 AM
Having the choice for a QTE seems to make so much sense.

Why the fuck did god of war not try that?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 08, 2011, 10:34:59 AM
Lots of updates on SE's blog:

https://member.eu.square-enix.com/en/blogs/new-final-fantasy-xiii-2-screenshots-and-intro-historia-crux (https://member.eu.square-enix.com/en/blogs/new-final-fantasy-xiii-2-screenshots-and-intro-historia-crux)

https://member.eu.square-enix.com/en/blogs/how-does-final-fantasy-xiii-2-begin-and-how-does-lightning-fit-story (https://member.eu.square-enix.com/en/blogs/how-does-final-fantasy-xiii-2-begin-and-how-does-lightning-fit-story)

https://member.eu.square-enix.com/en/blogs/we-discuss-time-travel-with-final-fantasy-xiii-2s-Motomu-Toriyama (https://member.eu.square-enix.com/en/blogs/we-discuss-time-travel-with-final-fantasy-xiii-2s-Motomu-Toriyama)


Having the choice for a QTE seems to make so much sense.

Why the fuck did god of war not try that?

A lot of games use QTEs and nobody ever thought of that.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Annubis on September 08, 2011, 11:05:59 AM

Having the choice for a QTE seems to make so much sense.

Why the fuck did god of war not try that?

A lot of games use QTEs and nobody ever thought of that.

Witcher 2 would like to say hello.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on September 08, 2011, 11:48:30 AM

Having the choice for a QTE seems to make so much sense.

Why the fuck did god of war not try that?

A lot of games use QTEs and nobody ever thought of that.

Witcher 2 would like to say hello.

Heavy Rain did it before that.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on September 08, 2011, 04:05:52 PM

Having the choice for a QTE seems to make so much sense.

Why the fuck did god of war not try that?

A lot of games use QTEs and nobody ever thought of that.

Witcher 2 would like to say hello.

Heavy Rain did it before that.

Simpsons already did it
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 08, 2011, 04:59:02 PM
Forgot about Heavy Rain and I played through it twice lol.
When did TW2 do it? There are QTEs but you either succeed or fail, you don't get 2 simultaneous prompts or is my memory completely fucked? Well, you have a time limit for some choices, I guess that's similar.


Anyway, the Toriyama interview I linked has some interesting details:

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You will be able to freely come and go between all the areas; the game will provide not just simple environmental exploration, but also a multi-layered exploration of history through the Historia Crux.The Historia Crux branches off into multiple different routes depending on the player’s choices. You will be able to take a detour into areas that have branched off of the route you have taken, perform side missions and turn back time in each of the areas to experiment with all possibilities.


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Is it possible to change events that happen in the future depending on your actions in the past?


Depending on the player’s actions, new turning points to new futures will appear in time, and these will certainly form the basis for the multiple endings.

Quote
It will be possible to play through from the start using your levelled up characters, once you have completed the game. We have taken care to put a number of elements into the game system to make replays more exciting and user-friendly.

New game+!

High quality versions of the new pics:

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/final-fantasy-xiii-2/images.html (http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/final-fantasy-xiii-2/images.html)

The game is looking really good.

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 08, 2011, 05:35:18 PM
Here's the screen in english:

(http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2011/250/619315_20110908_screen004.jpg)

It's a simple idea but I think it's interesting, I'm curious to see what kind of impact this will have in the way the fight plays out.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 09, 2011, 10:36:16 PM
http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=444252

Fuck everything about this!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on September 09, 2011, 10:50:09 PM
From that thread:

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Perhaps they were able to get Edios (sic) Montreal to work on it?

One can dream.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 09, 2011, 11:03:03 PM
But I (we) never ask for this. :(
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on September 09, 2011, 11:05:41 PM
But I (we) never ask for this. :(

It's not the end of Final Fantasy XIII.

But we can see it from here.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 09, 2011, 11:14:18 PM
Quote
This might be Versus XIII guys!

I'm inclined to agree though with Square you actually don't know.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 09, 2011, 11:31:45 PM
http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=444252

Fuck everything about this!

Sounds like it's just domain squatting.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 09, 2011, 11:55:48 PM
http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=444252

Fuck everything about this!

Sounds like it's just domain squatting.

What I'm expecting/hoping. If they DO plan one though, then FFXIII-2 better be damn good otherwise SE's finally dead to me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 10, 2011, 06:17:56 AM
What matters to me is the individual quality of each game, I don't care if it's called FFXV or XIII-3. Besides, I'm sure that if XIII-2 flops they'll just drop it so let's wait and see. I wasn't expecting them to start working on XV before finishing Versus anyway, that game must be using a shitload of resources. Let's not do the typical gamer overreaction thing.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 10, 2011, 07:15:27 AM
Found some pics from the TGS demo on GAF:

http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=30821008&postcount=260 (http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=30821008&postcount=260)

You don't get Crystarium points from battles. That can only mean there's a new leveling system. It's worth pointing out that the E3 demo was still using CP.

Chocobos are part of the recruitable monster roster:

http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=30822730&postcount=275 (http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=30822730&postcount=275)

Map (it's the same area from E3 but very close to final version):

(http://www.abload.de/img/169_e32011_final_fantaifil.jpg)



Some sort of savedata function from FFXIII might carry over, still being considered. Reward the turtle farmers SE!

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 10, 2011, 08:43:49 AM
Apparently there was a pre-TGS fan meeting, here are some impressions:

http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=30823412&postcount=287 (http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=30823412&postcount=287)

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will consist of Serah, Noel, a captured monster, and sometimes, a guest character. That’s not counting Lightning’s playable sections.

So basically, you'll either be controling Serah, Noel and a monster or a guest (guest meaning the other main characters from XIII no doubt). Lightning will be alone.

Quote
There will also be plenty of Lightning.

I really hope that Light joins Serah and Noel later in the game...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Annubis on September 10, 2011, 11:55:28 AM
Maybe she's considered a monster ;)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 10, 2011, 12:20:45 PM
^She's the final boss fight. Her one-winged half-ass cape is proof.


http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=444252

Fuck everything about this!

Sounds like it's just domain squatting.

What I'm expecting/hoping. If they DO plan one though, then FFXIII-2 better be damn good otherwise SE's finally dead to me.

You mean they aren't dead to you already given their choice of genre for DQX?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: lavarock on September 10, 2011, 02:54:34 PM
What I'm expecting/hoping. If they DO plan one though, then FFXIII-2 better be damn good otherwise SE's finally dead to me.

Second that, SE has one chance that is FFXIII-2, I will buy it day one, and it maybe the last SE game I will play
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on September 10, 2011, 06:20:30 PM
I have no idea why people who hated FFXIII are getting their hopes up for this game.  Based on what I played at PAX it really looks like more of the same to me.  If your only complaints about FFXIII were the linearity and lack of towns then those issues have been addressed so you might find something to like, but personally I had a laundry list of things I didn't like about XIII.  I don't think I'm even going to get this game (maybe if all the reviews are incredibly positive).

Now Type-0, on the other hand, looks friggin awesome.  Giving up on S-E because of XIII-2 without even trying Type-0 baffles me...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 10, 2011, 07:50:46 PM
You mean they aren't dead to you already given their choice of genre for DQX?

If it turns out great and XI is a single player game, well, who will still care? Hell, it sounds like it's making that MMO jump more gracefully than FFXI did, it just stings more because FFXI was also announced alongside IX and X and you didn't see their lineup devolve purely into 3 series and properties acquired by buying a prominent western publisher/set of developers.

No, in this case it would be one of the more reviled entries in the series not only getting a sequel but (potentially) being turned into a trilogy, likely an impromptu one like you see out of Hollywood for stuff like Pirates of the Caribbean. If the second game somehow manages to be great then it won't really matter that much, but it seems kind of absurd given, say, a proper FFXV would probably do about as well anyway and wipe the slate clean. Well, and the fact there really aren't many alternatives from SE, TGS could well change that though, especially with rumors of a 4 Heroes of Light 2 that came along with those 3DS second circle pad rumors.

I have no idea why people who hated FFXIII are getting their hopes up for this game.  Based on what I played at PAX it really looks like more of the same to me.  If your only complaints about FFXIII were the linearity and lack of towns then those issues have been addressed so you might find something to like, but personally I had a laundry list of things I didn't like about XIII.  I don't think I'm even going to get this game (maybe if all the reviews are incredibly positive).

Now Type-0, on the other hand, looks friggin awesome.  Giving up on S-E because of XIII-2 without even trying Type-0 baffles me...

Well, my biggest issues with FFXIII were the linearity and the fact it felt like 3/4ths of the game was just gearing me up to a fairly bland last 1/4th. Fixing those alone really WOULD help a lot actually, certainly I'm not going to go in expecting a good story or anything. And Type-0... You have a point, but the fact we have no idea how we'll even get it here (maybe they'll just put it on PSP anyway) doesn't engender optimism.

By the way, "dead to me" wouldn't mean I'd avoid their products or anything, more that in my eyes it's just Eidos selling their games with Square Enix slapped on, and with a few FF/KH/DQ games on the side. Not really how I wanted that purchase to unfold, but I guess moving to handhelds primarily AND having sales plummet there would do that. It may well be that once the shift ends for DS -> 3DS and PSP -> PSVita things will turn back around.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 10, 2011, 08:27:12 PM
I'm expecting a Vita port for Type-0 to happen eventually.

As for XIII-2, I said the same thing earlier in this thread, people who didn't like XIII should really keep their hopes down.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 10, 2011, 08:35:03 PM
I'm expecting a Vita port for Type-0 to happen eventually.

Even if I don't have the opportunity to play Type-0 on PSP I rather see something new from them to be honest, but that's just me.

As for XIII-2, I said the same thing earlier in this thread, people who didn't like XIII should really keep their hopes down.

I'm not even going to bother with that game. I might buy Versus XIII when is released but they have to show that they actually have a decent game in there, if not, I will not bother with that either.

Hell, I'm more interested in the new Tomb Raider than for Versus XIII right now.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: lavarock on September 10, 2011, 09:35:08 PM
I have no idea why people who hated FFXIII are getting their hopes up for this game.  Based on what I played at PAX it really looks like more of the same to me.  If your only complaints about FFXIII were the linearity and lack of towns then those issues have been addressed so you might find something to like, but personally I had a laundry list of things I didn't like about XIII.  I don't think I'm even going to get this game (maybe if all the reviews are incredibly positive).

Now Type-0, on the other hand, looks friggin awesome.  Giving up on S-E because of XIII-2 without even trying Type-0 baffles me...

Yeah, forgot about Type-0, that game looks good but somehow I am not too hyped about it.  I guess that's because it's a handheld game.  I own a PSP but I don't play it much except on travels.

FF is arguable their only remaining rpg series at the moment on the HD consoles.  And they wrecked the ship with XIII and XIV.  My main complaint with 13 is the plot, character, linearity and lack of rpg elements like towns/shops.  The only fun part of 13 is the part on Pulse where you can explore.  Looking at 13-2, it looks like they are going to fix the later two (I honest don't think the plot can be fixed, I hope it's at least serviceable).   If they screw it again with this game, I really don't see how can they recover from so many failures.  

That to be said, Versus still might be good, when/if it comes out that is.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on September 11, 2011, 09:55:35 AM
I wont be trying Type-0 because I have no intention of buying a PSP or Vita any time soon, so as far as I'm concerned, they only exist on my PS3. Can't say that "more of the same" is filling me with optimism about FFXIII-2. Not really a fan of auto-battle manager 2010 but maybe they tweaked it just enough to make it more enjoyable for me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 11, 2011, 03:52:06 PM
I'm pretty optimistic about FFXIII-2, not only working "time-travel" into the game the "right" way, but looks like the Dev staff seriously addressed most issues (pacing, level design structure and lack of player control in general). It's more gameplay focused nature (like FFV and X-2 but not as extreme) will probably sit better most people.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 11, 2011, 04:19:14 PM
Some of the things we know are extremely positive, no doubt. The game wont be pushing you forwards the entire time, you can travel back and forth between all the areas at any time and the map of the demo area is already a lot better than anything in XIII. The fact that the main premise is looking for keys to activate the gates indicates that exploration will be the main focus.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on September 11, 2011, 09:46:55 PM
I liked XIII a lot so I think I'm good. Although I'm all for a change, so even though I can perfectly enjoy dome corridors I would certainly welcome some exploration, some people, some towns, some meaninful antagonist.

The only thing I'd really like for them to let stay the same is the battle system but it would be better if we could also change th character we are controlling during the battle. Well, as long as it's still fast I'll surely like it.

About complaining about SE, like everyone I also havr lots of complains but at least for recent FF titles they try to keep thigns fresh by not making the recent game just like the predecessor. In all of them I can think of ag least a good thing to talk about even if I don't like the overall package.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 14, 2011, 07:22:23 PM
Theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or9pkEXIuvk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or9pkEXIuvk)

Song is crap imo but the video has some new footage.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 14, 2011, 07:55:10 PM
Theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or9pkEXIuvk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or9pkEXIuvk)

Song is crap imo but the video has some new footage.

...eh (http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=30968614&postcount=6).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 14, 2011, 08:01:30 PM
Theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or9pkEXIuvk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or9pkEXIuvk)

Song is crap imo but the video has some new footage.

...eh (http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=30968614&postcount=6).

What's your point? FFXIII's song was worse but that's not saying much.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 14, 2011, 08:07:13 PM
That scene with the grass really reminds me of a scene from the Versus trailer.

Edit: Skip to 4:59 on the versus trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6kNTfS4320&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6kNTfS4320&feature=related)

There's also a city in that XIII-2 trailer that looks nothing like anything in XIII, it actually looks a lot like the city where the bahamut fight in Versus takes place, it has more of a real world feel. In XIII there are some colapsed buildings on Pulse that look just like normal skyscrapers, maybe that's Pulse in the past. Anyway, it looks like they are borrowing some assests from Versus.
At the begining Serah seems to be talking to Lightning, that's probably when they meet.

Damn, that Versus trailer always blows me away.

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 14, 2011, 08:43:28 PM
What's your point? FFXIII's song was worse but that's not saying much.

My point is that I kinda liked more "My Hands" and if XIII-2 has more Leona I will be pleased. But eh.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on September 14, 2011, 11:33:54 PM
I hate ballad's.  My Hand's was alright, certainly better than the JPN theme song.

Aw, I was kinda hoping Serah would leave Snow for being a twat the entire first go-around and fuck around with Noel... I suppose that's to gritty and edgy and... well, immoral.

I promise to get FFX-2 if it scores in the 90's.  Not on Famitsu either.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ULTROS! on September 14, 2011, 11:50:49 PM
Hope:

(http://i52.tinypic.com/20b0dvo.jpg)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/295csxh.jpg)

Snow:

(http://i.imgur.com/hGHr7.jpg)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 14, 2011, 11:57:04 PM
So Hope's grown into a young woman while Snow became Sabretooth. Got it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 15, 2011, 12:20:08 AM
What the hell?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on September 15, 2011, 12:52:02 AM
What the fuck.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 15, 2011, 12:54:48 AM
TGS Trailer:

http://gamingeverything.com/?p=9187

Digging Hope's new look (though he's looks like a salaryman now lol), and Snow's alright.

BTW, according to some Japanese speakers you can change Leaders now!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ULTROS! on September 15, 2011, 01:22:02 AM
TGS Trailer:

http://gamingeverything.com/?p=9187

Digging Hope's new look (though he's looks like a salaryman now lol), and Snow's alright.

BTW, according to some Japanese speakers you can change Leaders now!

Changing leaders on the fly?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 15, 2011, 01:24:56 AM
TGS Trailer:

http://gamingeverything.com/?p=9187

Digging Hope's new look (though he's looks like a salaryman now lol), and Snow's alright.

BTW, according to some Japanese speakers you can change Leaders now!

Changing leaders on the fly?

Yes.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 15, 2011, 04:13:27 AM
What the Christ!

As if we needed any more proof that Snow was Umaro mkII.

Also more of that ridiculous outfit worn by that is it a man? a woman? or should we even ask? from earlier.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 15, 2011, 04:20:10 AM
You have to admit that the game looks amazing. Hope looks like I was expecting him to look. I'm surprised by Snow's new look but I think it's alright.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 15, 2011, 04:27:01 AM
You have to admit that the game looks amazing.

What? No...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: lavarock on September 15, 2011, 04:38:21 AM
Snow looks like a Yeti
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 15, 2011, 04:51:34 AM
You have to admit that the game looks amazing.

What? No...

I'm not talking about the art style (which I personally like) but the tech but then again that shouldn't be a surprise after XIII.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 15, 2011, 04:57:45 AM
1/31 USA/Asia
2/3 Europe

Bah, February is so far away. Looks like there will be dlc for sure this time.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 15, 2011, 05:06:23 AM
You have to admit that the game looks amazing.

What? No...

I'm not talking about the art style (which I personally like) but the tech but then again that shouldn't be a surprise after XIII.

Oh so you were talking about how it looks, my bad. But that's to be expected from a Final Fantasy game anyway.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 15, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
Battle theme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG-ZZrYOCbg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG-ZZrYOCbg)

I like it.

Trailer music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRfudUGFU4k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRfudUGFU4k)

LaLaLaLaLa
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 15, 2011, 09:41:18 AM
The leader change is a huge deal for me, it will bring the battle system to a completely different level, this definitely fixes its biggest flaw.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 15, 2011, 11:58:05 AM
Agreed.

There's also rumors of being able to change formation on the fly too!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on September 15, 2011, 03:41:27 PM
The leader change is a huge deal for me, it will bring the battle system to a completely different level, this definitely fixes its biggest flaw.

is it?  I thought the main party was Serah/Noel/monster or guest.  Is there much to change?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 15, 2011, 05:17:52 PM
As long as there is a guest you have 3 to choose from during fights just like in XIII. Even when you only have Noel and Serah it's a lot better than being forced to play as either one or the other. The low number of available characters is an issue, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that being able to alternate between them during fights is extremely welcome.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on September 15, 2011, 07:50:55 PM
So Hope's grown into a young woman while Snow became Sabretooth. Got it.

I laughed. x)

Hope looks a little too pretty, and Snow just looks like an asshole.  I kinda liked his more rugged, grunge look (he even had the plaid going!).

I wonder if Snow and Sera got divorced... they sure don't seem like a couple.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on September 15, 2011, 08:38:05 PM
Thoughts:

Snow doesn't look bad, IMO... and it's not even a really huge change for an FF sequel, just look at FFXII: Revenant Wings.

Hope looks great... don't know about the tie, that is a little bizzare, but he definitely seems a LOT more mature.

Noel looks like a young Laguna or Vayne... even more than... "Laguna's Son", but strangely, more masculine than either Laguna or Vayne

Sera still bothers the ever-loving hell out of me. Jesus. Two years, and she still hasn't grown a half-decent pair of hips! Hope she and Snow don't decide to have kids, or she'll die in childbirth! And she still has the voice of an 8-year-old. For God's sake, she reminds me of an elongated Momo! "Please, stay out of my body" (sorry, that was wrong). She's 19 for christ's sake! It's just so... WRONG... it's like she's got some kind of hormonal disease! Seeing her next to Snow was bad for the 3 minutes you saw it in FFXIII... but being reminded of it for a whole damned game? That's just goes against the Geneva convention! It was one of the most outspoken criticisms of the character design in FFXIII, and they had a real obvious opportunity to correct it, because the girl actually did age 2 years. Instead, they grew up everyone else (including Snow), and made it even more creepy!

And, yeah, I don't understand the whole thing about them "not being together" and "being divorced", cuz they look very much like a couple to me... unfortunately.

Look, I have high hopes for FFXIII-2 as a whole because of the gameplay revisions and non-linearity, but it still has the weakest lead in the series since Butz!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on September 15, 2011, 10:08:13 PM
Butz had a great name at least, and muthafucka could do anything he wanted [lulz]!.

Sera always disturbs me.  The mullet + side-ponytail has gotta go.  Her appearance is almost as unrealistic to real life as Lulu's "pregnant" belly in X-2.  I think I'm just more hating that I hate how Nomura designs hair for characters... Snow doesn't look bad, but his hair without the headband is like some Lion's mane, his hair can't go straight down like a normal persons, but up, and sideways, frayed-out, and spikey... It's just all over the place, and (like the running joke it) looks like it needs a full canteen of hair spray to make it work.

I do think Noel's face looks less pussy-ish though, but there's still something...off about it.  And good call on Laguna-looking-Noel.

I hate ranting, but I just hate the designs.  There's nothing very realistic about them, even if it is what they're going for, some are just too... out there and nothing shy of *very* flamboyant, it's all in excess and is so saturated.  I liked Lightning's gear till she stopped fitting in at all.  Everyone is sporting some neo-futuristic spandex, and Light stuck it out with... some medieval attire with a feather ass-cape.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 15, 2011, 10:28:40 PM
The design of Lightning could make sense if she appears as a DLC character for Soul Calibur V.

I'd buy that for a dollar.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on September 15, 2011, 11:25:31 PM
These posts are making me laugh so hard...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on September 16, 2011, 02:21:12 AM
I should grow hair like Snow's. Those sideburns are glorious.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 16, 2011, 04:26:19 AM
Dear GOD NO! What the fuck did they do to Snow! I actually liked him in the first game. At least Serah looks hot though (yes as far as character designs go that's all I really care about)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on September 16, 2011, 05:33:46 AM
At least Serah looks hot though (yes as far as character designs go that's all I really care about)

WHAT???!!!!! She looks like an anorexic 11-yeara-old! How the HELL is that HOT? Okay, so her face is pretty and she's got a fair chest. But everything below that is withered and shrunk, her arms too.

Seriously, Japanese men are sick fucks.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 16, 2011, 05:41:12 AM

Seriously, Japanese men are sick fucks.

I love the way you try to bypass insulting me with that comment by saying Japanese men lol.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on September 16, 2011, 05:57:52 AM
At least Serah looks hot though (yes as far as character designs go that's all I really care about)

WHAT???!!!!! She looks like an anorexic 11-yeara-old! How the HELL is that HOT? Okay, so her face is pretty and she's got a fair chest. But everything below that is withered and shrunk, her arms too.

Seriously, Japanese men are sick fucks.

No, that (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100608050109/artonelico/images/2/29/Tilia_original_pose.jpg) looks like an anorexic 11 year old. Serah looks like a lanky teenager.

Edit: Wrong Reyvatiel; fixed it. I was considering linking to "older" Cocona too when I realized that pretty much almost any female Reyvatiel except maybe Aurica and Cloche fit that description in some form.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 16, 2011, 06:40:41 AM
It entertains me how so many people take issue if you find a girl that's not considered attractive to the general public to be attractive. If I say an overweight girl is attractive I'm a sick fuck, if i say a skinny girl is attractive i'm a sick fuck, if i say a girl with a cup size below C is attractive I'm a sick fuck,, if i say girl with a cup size above J is attractive I'm a sick fuck. I just like women in general how is that wrong? I think Serah's hot so sue me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 16, 2011, 08:33:34 AM
I'd hit it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 16, 2011, 09:20:18 AM
It entertains me how so many people take issue if you find a girl that's not considered attractive to the general public to be attractive. If I say an overweight girl is attractive I'm a sick fuck, if i say a skinny girl is attractive i'm a sick fuck, if i say a girl with a cup size below C is attractive I'm a sick fuck,, if i say girl with a cup size above J is attractive I'm a sick fuck. I just like women in general how is that wrong? I think Serah's hot so sue me.

She has no chest! You must be a pedophile! [/jk]
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Annubis on September 16, 2011, 11:05:24 AM
If Japan taught us one thing, it's that love knows no boundary.

man-woman-boy-girl-young-old-short-tall-small-big-loli-futa-blind-crippled-burned-missinglimbs-genderswapped-trap-ghost-robot-cyborg-2D-3D-glasses-freckles-Acup-Bcup-Ccup-Dcup-Ecup-Fcup-Gcup-Hcup-Icup-Jcup-Kcup-Lcup-catgirl-doggirl-foxgirl-fishgirl-squidgirl-tofugirl-cat-dog-pig-horse-alive-dead-tentacle-angel-demon-slime-headless-bloodrelated-nonbloodrelated-mother-father-uncle-aunt-cousin-daughter-son-grandchildren-ancestor-yourself-applepie
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on September 16, 2011, 11:13:34 AM
If Japan taught us one thing, it's that love knows no boundary.

man-woman-boy-girl-young-old-short-tall-small-big-loli-futa-blind-crippled-burned-missinglimbs-genderswapped-trap-ghost-robot-cyborg-2D-3D-glasses-freckles-Acup-Bcup-Ccup-Dcup-Ecup-Fcup-Gcup-Hcup-Icup-Jcup-Kcup-Lcup-catgirl-doggirl-foxgirl-fishgirl-squidgirl-tofugirl-cat-dog-pig-horse-alive-dead-tentacle-angel-demon-slime-headless-bloodrelated-nonbloodrelated-mother-father-uncle-aunt-cousin-daughter-son-grandchildren-ancestor-yourself-applepie

Lol, Japanese D Cups make me laugh.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on September 16, 2011, 02:19:25 PM
I thought it was America that taught us the apple pie love.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Annubis on September 16, 2011, 03:21:18 PM
I thought it was America that taught us the apple pie love.

Hurray. Somebody picked up on it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 16, 2011, 05:22:43 PM
I like vanilla pie :D. Serah should make some for me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on September 16, 2011, 05:35:23 PM
Argh...now that I've read a bit on the game I'm debating whether to get it or not. My expectations of SE are pretty much zeroed out but when they use terms like "paradox" and "time contradiction" it strikes me right in the weak point of the attention center for full effect... Plus it helps that they're not Capcom who I avoid out of sheer malice now whenever possible. Going to have to at least keep it on my radar for now.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 17, 2011, 02:31:41 AM
Did you enjoyed XIII? -> A little bit/No -> Then don't buy the sequel(s)!

Did you enjoyed XIII -> Yes -> Don't you have self respect?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on September 17, 2011, 03:51:36 AM
On Sera's chicken limbs: It seems to run in the family. Have you looked at Lightning? No way she's a competent soldier with those skinny ass limbs.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on September 17, 2011, 04:12:02 AM
Did you enjoyed XIII? -> A little bit/No -> Then don't buy the sequel(s)!

Did you enjoyed XIII -> Yes -> Don't you have self respect?

The only problem with that is normal sequel logic doesn't apply to the Final Fantasy universe. Every game, for better or worse, always changes something drastically from the prior one; even with direct sequels like FFX and X-2.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 17, 2011, 05:08:42 AM
For what its worth, they really seem to be listening to fan feedback this time. It's undeniable that they are trying to fix the biggest issues people had with XIII.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on September 17, 2011, 06:48:42 AM
For what its worth, they really seem to be listening to fan feedback this time. It's undeniable that they are trying to fix the biggest issues people had with XIII.

I'm not so sure. Keeping the battle system and throwing in some QTEs isn't really a solution to a game that essentially plays itself which, to me, was one of its biggest offences. I guess it depends how it all comes together in the end. I'm actually semi optimistic about this for some reason.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on September 17, 2011, 08:41:04 AM
The offense wasn't that the game played itself, it's that most - if not all - the story battles were the same routine bullshit of "Buff -> STAGGER -> Attack like the enemy's a pinata full of hookers -> Guard and heal -> Repeat" instead of utilizing the system to its fullest potential.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 17, 2011, 01:38:09 PM
That and the fact that most of the game consisted of points where if the developers decided that the next sequence is the time that you should be using Sentinel/whatever they introduced recently regularly, then by god you're using Sentinel/whatever they introduced recently or you're going to be around for a long goddamn time.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 17, 2011, 03:01:41 PM
That and the fact that most of the game consisted of points where if the developers decided that the next sequence is the time that you should be using Sentinel/whatever they introduced recently regularly, then by god you're using Sentinel/whatever they introduced recently or you're going to be around for a long goddamn time.

That actually I don't see as being a problem by itself. They're trying to more naturally teach you how to use the class, would you really prefer a hand holding tutorial that treated you like an idiot? Or a game that possibly failed to emphasize what made it useful so you ignored it only to get owned by a tough boss and struggle to figure out how to beat it? No, the problem was that for almost all of the game's story progression it was a glorified tutorial, and what it was a tutorial for was just hunting down monsters and beating them up.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 17, 2011, 03:24:13 PM
Let's just hope that this time they assume people already know this stuff. They can just throw in a separate tutorial for newcomers.
Another thing that people complained about was the lack of a good antagonist, I hope that the fact they revealed the villain in the very first trailer is a sign that he will have a strong presence throughout the game and actually be relevant. Judging by the TGS trailer Noel and Serah run in to him very early in the game so that might be a good sign.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on September 17, 2011, 03:32:59 PM
I had NO problem with the battle system... at all. I found it very interesting and different. It would be nice if, this time, they brought it out to the normal game world, like in FFXII, but other than that, I had no complaints. My complaints were in linearity, boring dungeon design, and bad storytelling. Gameplay, good, Characters, good... making you read pages of cryptic backstory to even begin to understand things that all the characters already know? Bad.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 17, 2011, 03:34:35 PM
Being unable to switch was pretty damn stupid, but they apparently fixed that here so whatever.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 17, 2011, 03:56:37 PM
My complaints were in linearity, boring dungeon design, and bad storytelling. Gameplay, good, Characters, good... making you read pages of cryptic backstory to even begin to understand things that all the characters already know? Bad.

Being unable to switch was pretty damn stupid, but they apparently fixed that here so whatever.

They seem to have taken care of all these things. I think that at this point it's safe to say that it will be a better game than XIII.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on September 17, 2011, 03:59:52 PM
I liked the battle system in its entirety as well. I find adding the ability to switch unnecessary personally because managing the character wasn't really the point and switching adds nothing. In fact, I liked that I only ever had to worry about one character and can choose who to worry about. The only thing switching would have made possible is being able to use any Eidolon on the fly, but they were totally useless anyway.

As for the lack of a main antagonist...I wish they had been more consistent in this aspect. I loved the beginning of FFXIII because it was about these guys being relentless pursued with no clear goal other than to survive. It fell apart once it became typical save the world bullshit. I really really really wish more developers would take some freaking risks with stories. I also wish more people were more open to those kinds of stories. Why does there need to be some all powerful, main antagonist plotting to rain hell down upon the characters? Why do the main characters have to be motivated to pursue said antagonist until they (as a tiny, many times insignificant, and motley crew) can defeat him?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 18, 2011, 03:32:10 AM
For what its worth, they really seem to be listening to fan feedback this time. It's undeniable that they are trying to fix the biggest issues people had with XIII.

I'm not so sure. Keeping the battle system and throwing in some QTEs isn't really a solution to a game that essentially plays itself which, to me, was one of its biggest offences. I guess it depends how it all comes together in the end. I'm actually semi optimistic about this for some reason.

How did the game play itself? I don't get that complaint at all. In every other final fantasy game people were perfectly fine with just mashing X all day to spam Attack commands in the majority of standard battles, but if you mash X to spam auto battle commands now that's the game playing itself?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on September 18, 2011, 01:26:33 PM
For what its worth, they really seem to be listening to fan feedback this time. It's undeniable that they are trying to fix the biggest issues people had with XIII.

I'm not so sure. Keeping the battle system and throwing in some QTEs isn't really a solution to a game that essentially plays itself which, to me, was one of its biggest offences. I guess it depends how it all comes together in the end. I'm actually semi optimistic about this for some reason.

How did the game play itself? I don't get that complaint at all. In every other final fantasy game people were perfectly fine with just mashing X all day to spam Attack commands in the majority of standard battles, but if you mash X to spam auto battle commands now that's the game playing itself?

IIRC, after you libra'd an enemy, couldn't you just use auto-battle and let the AI choose the correct spells?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on September 18, 2011, 02:39:54 PM
The AI wasn't optimized well; for example, sometimes there'd be an injured teammate but the medic would just sit there healing him or herself despite being at full HP. Really could've benefited from some tweaking.

Anyway, since I assume Vanille will not return, they are still missing a hot chick for this game. Serah doesn't count, because she looks like a bulimic/anorexic combination.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 18, 2011, 02:45:44 PM
Final Fantasy XIII-2 has Chocobo racing, a Casino and Downloadable weapons (http://andriasang.com/comy8n/)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on September 18, 2011, 02:54:02 PM
The AI wasn't optimized well; for example, sometimes there'd be an injured teammate but the medic would just sit there healing him or herself despite being at full HP. Really could've benefited from some tweaking.

Anyway, since I assume Vanille will not return, they are still missing a hot chick for this game. Serah doesn't count, because she looks like a bulimic/anorexic combination.

Medics always healed relative to the total HP of a person. I've also never seen a Medic in my game heal himself if he's at full HP. In fact, often times they just won't act if everyone is near (and not at) full HP. I'm also pretty sure Medics always prioritized their own HP over teammates (which honestly makes sense). They did a pretty good job at determining how the characters would act, and which actions to prioritize.

Also, even if libra would have the AI figure out the best combination of abilities, it still holds that it's no different than spamming Attack. I can't think of a prior FF game which had a battle system that worked as well as this one IMO. Every single role was actually useful in different situations. Every status effect was useful. You could actually hit damn near every single enemy with some kind of status effect. Then there was managing the Stagger bar which added an interesting element to some fights. Sure there were patterns for many fights where you were switching between specific paradigms in a particular order, but I can't think of any other Final Fantasy which didn't have a system that was similar. By the end of the game there was always one particular set of spells or attacks that were the most powerful and it was all about abusing them. To me, FFXIII mostly did away with this. FFXIII, to me, was the most consistently challenging game in the series. Hell, some of the later battles in the final dungeon damn near made me break my TV/Xbox. I can't say the same for any other prior Final Fantasy. Limiting the Crystarium definitely played a major role in that, and honestly I kind of appreciated it at times, even if I did rage like a maniac during the final parts of the game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 18, 2011, 04:10:29 PM
The AI wasn't optimized well; for example, sometimes there'd be an injured teammate but the medic would just sit there healing him or herself despite being at full HP. Really could've benefited from some tweaking.

Anyway, since I assume Vanille will not return, they are still missing a hot chick for this game. Serah doesn't count, because she looks like a bulimic/anorexic combination.

Medics always healed relative to the total HP of a person. I've also never seen a Medic in my game heal himself if he's at full HP. In fact, often times they just won't act if everyone is near (and not at) full HP. I'm also pretty sure Medics always prioritized their own HP over teammates (which honestly makes sense). They did a pretty good job at determining how the characters would act, and which actions to prioritize.



Exactly, medics healing themselves or anyone for that matter with full HP never happens. They prioritize themselves when they have low health because if they die they wont be of much use, it's the logic thing to do.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 19, 2011, 11:13:04 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/09/19/chocobo-racing-returns-for-final-fantasy-xiii-2/

Because FFXIII wasn't annoying enough they needed to bring back the most annoying aspect of the previous games.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 19, 2011, 11:41:15 AM
Doesn't have mini-games: game sucks.
Has mini-games: game sucks.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 19, 2011, 11:44:05 AM
Final Fantasy VII has a ton of mini-games. Now, what does that mean?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on September 19, 2011, 12:17:12 PM
It means that people like to complain.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 19, 2011, 02:48:12 PM
Doesn't have mini-games: game sucks.
Has mini-games: game sucks.

lol

Anyway this probably doesn't mean much in the grander scheme of things, but it's nice either way.

http://andriasang.com/comy8x/
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 19, 2011, 04:31:02 PM
Final Fantasy VII has a ton of mini-games. Now, what does that mean?

It means that even Knights of the Round can't really offset the pain that goes into Breeding Chocobos.

Remember, to breed successfully, your birds have to be of high racing rank; for each and every bird, and to go up a rank requires a couple of races a piece, either long or longer races, and often times the game will hate you and say "you're not winning this race"; and you can't quit in the middle of a race either. You also need to farm and or purchase the various Greens and Nuts needed to raise and breed all the various chocobos. And also to make sure you've captured the correct one for your immediate raising and breeding purposes or else you're going to wind up wasting a whole mess of time and resources on a dead end.


The only good FF minigame ever made was Triple Triad.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 19, 2011, 04:46:12 PM
Jesus, we don't know anything about it yet, it will probably be much simpler than in FFVII and you always have the option to ignore it anyway.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on September 19, 2011, 05:16:11 PM
Final Fantasy VII has a ton of mini-games. Now, what does that mean?

It means that even Knights of the Round can't really offset the pain that goes into Breeding Chocobos.

Remember, to breed successfully, your birds have to be of high racing rank; for each and every bird, and to go up a rank requires a couple of races a piece, either long or longer races, and often times the game will hate you and say "you're not winning this race"; and you can't quit in the middle of a race either. You also need to farm and or purchase the various Greens and Nuts needed to raise and breed all the various chocobos. And also to make sure you've captured the correct one for your immediate raising and breeding purposes or else you're going to wind up wasting a whole mess of time and resources on a dead end.

Considering what the prize is, I see no problem with a scenario like this in vidya games.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on September 19, 2011, 05:18:39 PM
I'm a big fan of the optional stuff only extreme fans will do. I never had the patience or even knew about all the extras when I played 7 or 10 but I love it when companies put it in.

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on September 19, 2011, 05:43:03 PM
I'm of the same mind. I did enjoy breeding and racing Chocobos in FFVII (and even a little in FFX) but it is optional and quite frankly given the reward (at least in FFVII) it should be a bit on the challenging, perhaps even tedious side. It's not like you're ever required to do it. Shit, I didn't even attempt a quarter of the stuff available in FFVII because I found it tedious as hell (I don't think I ever got anyone's final Limit Break except for maybe Red's), but it definitely was nice it was there.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 19, 2011, 05:48:07 PM
I'm a big fan of the optional stuff only extreme fans will do. I never had the patience or even knew about all the extras when I played 7 or 10 but I love it when companies put it in.

Just as long as it's not COMPLETELY STUPID anyway. FFVII wasn't really an offender there though, not a very serious one anyway, it was FFX. To get Tidus's sword you need to do chocobo racing! Except the chocobo will randomly swerve! And you have crows flying at you! And the time to beat is very short! Did they not playtest this shit?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on September 19, 2011, 05:50:06 PM
Oh, Eusis. Tidus's weapon was the easiest to get. If you want ridiculous, try and get Lulu's sigil.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on September 19, 2011, 06:01:25 PM
I thought both were simple. Seriously, I liked Chocobo Racing in FFX. It just takes practice and before you know it you've got it down. The truly difficult most aggravating and not worth it sidequest in FFX - Fucking Butterflies. Fuck those things. Kimarhi was already a worthless piece of shit, then you make his best weapon the hardest to get. It's like they didn't want anyone to use the poor sap.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 19, 2011, 09:52:30 PM
Seriously, I liked Chocobo Racing in FFX.

I know everyone has different taste and all, but how the fuck is this even possible.

... Actually, I think most of us can at least agree most, if not all, of the minigames to unlock ultimate weapons or at least upgrade them fully are bullshit. I'd rather have well designed, enjoyable enough mini games, or for them to play to the game's strengths and involve specidal dungeons/bossfights for them (of which quite a few DID do actually.)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 20, 2011, 01:01:19 AM
Well compared to VII's Knights of the Round all of the rewards offered by X's minigames were pieces of shit, so it's understandable why the Chocobo Breeding wasn't all that bad compared to the shit pulled in X. And really it was the only massively tedious side quest of the game; I just wish you could start on it earlier than the second disk where there isn't as much plot going on.

Besides, it's not like I really have a right to complain about tedious shit in FFVII as someone who used Aerith's final limit break (once) without cheating for it.

Still think Triple Triad was the best of the lot though.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 20, 2011, 05:20:27 AM
Here's the Promise Trailer in english in case anyone missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYOdx0TdxDs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYOdx0TdxDs)

I like Noel's VA, I thought they were gonna make him sound like a kid, fortunately that's not the case. I love the part where he tells Snow he's useless lol. Poor hero :-) I might actually end up liking this guy.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 20, 2011, 04:52:48 PM
Kaias' VA is the same guy who did Grimoire Weis. That was one of my favorite voice acting performances ever. He will have a crappy script but at least he will sound great.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: The Legendary Zoltan on September 20, 2011, 06:06:36 PM
I actually went platinum on FF13, so I owe it to myself to do it again on XIII-2.

Question about the original FF13:

SPOILERS DOWN BELOW!!!!!!!!!

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I don't understand why they had to go kill the final boss, Orphan.  They knew that Cocoon would be destroyed or something if they do it.  Why didn't they just turn around and say, "we don't have to do this crap"?  I don't really understand the end of that game.  I hope it's OK to ask about that here.
Admin Edit: It's actually easier just to use spoiler tags, ie. [ code ] spoiler text [ /code ] (without the spaces) or by hitting the # button to get the BBcode - rather than a bunch of returns.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 20, 2011, 06:21:07 PM
How about using spoiler tags instead?

The game's ending was already discussed and explained in detail in this thread.

Edit: Read my posts on this page:

http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=9586.195 (http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=9586.195)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 20, 2011, 07:24:13 PM
Despair trailer in english in case anyone missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53YR9vVn8yw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53YR9vVn8yw)

That fight between Kaias and Lightning looks pretty epic. The guy might actually turn out to be a decent villain. Poor Noel, that's gotta hurt lol.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 21, 2011, 01:36:54 AM
Famitsu stuff:

http://andriasang.com/comy9w/ (http://andriasang.com/comy9w/)
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PS3 owners won't be able to make fun of their Xbox 360 friends about having to get up and swap discs every 20 hours or so when playing Final Fantasy XIII-2. Famitsu reveals this week that both the 360 and PS3 versions of the game take up just one disc.

Does this mean that Square Enix has rushed the game out with little content? In an interview with the magazine, director Motomu Toriyama says that the game actually has the same amount of volume as the original. The reason they're able to fit the game in less space this time is that the event scenes are real time. In addition to saving Xbox 360 players a trip from the couch to the entertainment center (horrors!), this has the added bonus of event scenes showing your armor changes.

Other points mentioned in Famitsu this week include:

HOPE

The version of Hope shown in the Tokyo Game Show trailer is from 10 years after FFXIII, when the character is 24 years old. He's head of a scientific investigation group of some form.

NOEL

It was previously revealed that new main character Noel is from the future where he somehow managed to become the last remaining human. According to Famitsu, he's having some memory problems due to a time paradox.

KAIAS

The TGS trailer introduced us to Kaias, the mysterious character from the first FFXIII-2 trailer way back in January. Did you get an evil villain vibe from him? Then your evil villain detector is working! Kaias is a villain who's having a bad influence on both Valhalla, the place where Lightning spends her time nowadays, and Serah's world.

CHAOS

In the TGS trailers, did you spot the black smoke that looked like it was coming from Lightning? It's called "Chaos."

VIOLENCE

The game will have some extreme scenes, although not at the level of Final Fantasy Type-0. (I believe this means scenes of extreme violence and war-like depictions, which is something that Type-0 is said to have a lot of).

QTEs

Not fond of QTEs? While XIII-2 will have quick timer events, there won't be much of a demerit if you fail at them. There will be some merits to clearing them, but only subtle.

CRYSTARIUM

In the original FFXIII, your characters had limits on how far they could advance in their Crystarium growth chart. The limits were increased as the story progressed. In XIII-2, there are no level limits. If you work at it, you can make yourself super powerful from the start.

PARTIES

In XIII-2, you can now switch your currently controlled character during battle. Also, different from XIII, the battle does not end when your leader dies.

"Promise" Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KAMcW17JeY&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KAMcW17JeY&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 21, 2011, 05:12:49 AM
I'm going to miss those incredible CG cutscenes...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: The Legendary Zoltan on September 21, 2011, 05:18:27 AM
Sweet now I know how to do spoiler code.

I hope it's not being rushed out like that Famitsu article mentions.  I am really happy that there are no more Crystarium level limits.  I like over-levelling sometimes.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 21, 2011, 05:35:24 AM
Armor changes. Oh please let there be a swimsuit for Serah :D
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 21, 2011, 01:12:32 PM
Famitsu stuff:

http://andriasang.com/comy9w/ (http://andriasang.com/comy9w/)
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NOEL

It was previously revealed that new main character Noel is from the future where he somehow managed to become the last remaining human. According to Famitsu, he's having some memory problems due to a time paradox.


Noel! What have you done!? You've created a Time Paradox!!! Oh hai there Trunks.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 21, 2011, 08:30:10 PM
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Bartandulus needs to come back in the first scene half cyborg and Noel needs to slice him up XD
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on September 22, 2011, 01:23:28 AM
I guess it's fitting, since Snow looks like MacGuyver tried to go Super Saiyan and went horribly wrong.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on September 22, 2011, 01:31:02 AM
I guess it's fitting, since Snow looks like MacGuyver tried to go Super Saiyan and went horribly wrong.
In all 29 pages of this thread this is probably my favourite post.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 22, 2011, 01:32:19 AM
Honestly I'm expecting the story to be complete shit, but I only really care about the combat and ogling Serah. As long as they don't pull a 3rd Birthday and
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have the player control Serah in the ending and require you to shoot and kill Lightning as her I'm okay with it
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 22, 2011, 11:16:41 AM
Interview with Director and the Lead Battle Designer.

http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=1668

It's basically the same as what I posted before, but with more in-depth information. There's inaccurate within the translation, still it's fine in general.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on September 22, 2011, 11:35:16 AM
I guess it's fitting, since Snow looks like MacGuyver tried to go Super Saiyan and went horribly wrong.
In all 29 pages of this thread this is probably my favourite post.
*Tips hat*
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 22, 2011, 01:46:34 PM
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Bartandulus needs to come back in the first scene half cyborg and Noel needs to slice him up XD

I'm suddenly having flashbacks of 2004/5's FMA's "The Archinator" who after getting half his body sucked up in a transmutation comes back as a completely ridiculous and non-threatening half cyborg who spends the rest of the anime getting jobbed by a version elevated side character and a version nerfed major character.

Fake Edit: Of course I am an idiot and forget that this is a reference to an anime but not the one I mentioned above. In penance, I suggest that the guy in the spoiler tags brings his daddy along to get curbstomped alongside him. Also Fang should be running around in yellow pants and a pink shirt with the words Bad Man printed on the back.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 22, 2011, 05:26:59 PM
Wow, London is drowning in XIII-2 marketing:

http://finalfantasyxiii2.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/final-fantasy-xiii-2-is-everywhere-in-london/ (http://finalfantasyxiii2.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/final-fantasy-xiii-2-is-everywhere-in-london/)

If they're doing this much marketing just because the game will be at Eurogamer Expo I don't even want to imagine how it will be when the game is released!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 22, 2011, 05:44:08 PM
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Bartandulus needs to come back in the first scene half cyborg and Noel needs to slice him up XD

I'm suddenly having flashbacks of 2004/5's FMA's "The Archinator" who after getting half his body sucked up in a transmutation comes back as a completely ridiculous and non-threatening half cyborg who spends the rest of the anime getting jobbed by a version elevated side character and a version nerfed major character.

Fake Edit: Of course I am an idiot and forget that this is a reference to an anime but not the one I mentioned above. In penance, I suggest that the guy in the spoiler tags brings his daddy along to get curbstomped alongside him. Also Fang should be running around in yellow pants and a pink shirt with the words Bad Man printed on the back.

and then Vanille dumps Hope and starts dating Fang. Later it's revealed that Noel is Vanille and Fang's (adopted) child and Lightnings gonna die from incurable disease in the future.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on September 23, 2011, 05:21:50 AM
Heavily Involves Time Travel
No longer takes place on Gran Pulse or Cocoon
Instead takes place on Valhalla where lightning has become a servant to the goddess

lmao
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on September 23, 2011, 11:04:09 AM
Heavily Involves Time Travel
No longer takes place on Gran Pulse or Cocoon
Instead takes place on Valhalla where lightning has become a servant to the goddess

lmao

He's right... it is lol worthy....=/
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 23, 2011, 01:08:21 PM
So let's lol.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 23, 2011, 07:25:55 PM
And this is why I just don't care about story in FF anymore. Give me a more open ended FFXIII and I'll just ignore that you clearly had no idea how to continue FFXIII and are just throwing ideas at the wall.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 23, 2011, 10:11:07 PM
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Bartandulus needs to come back in the first scene half cyborg and Noel needs to slice him up XD

I'm suddenly having flashbacks of 2004/5's FMA's "The Archinator" who after getting half his body sucked up in a transmutation comes back as a completely ridiculous and non-threatening half cyborg who spends the rest of the anime getting jobbed by a version elevated side character and a version nerfed major character.

Fake Edit: Of course I am an idiot and forget that this is a reference to an anime but not the one I mentioned above. In penance, I suggest that the guy in the spoiler tags brings his daddy along to get curbstomped alongside him. Also Fang should be running around in yellow pants and a pink shirt with the words Bad Man printed on the back.

and then Vanille dumps Hope and starts dating Fang. Later it's revealed that Noel is Vanille and Fang's (adopted) child and Lightnings gonna die from incurable disease in the future.

Of course it can only end with Lightning diking it out with the big bad until Lightning throws in the towel and/or dies letting Serah-chan take over in defeating the big bad and thus succeeding her as champion of wherever they are, while Noel goes back to the future to trash the versions of the big bad that's trashing his future; thus concluding the FFXIII saga (unless of course Squeenix revisits FFXIII again where it's seven years in the future, Serah-chan has enrolled in highschool while moonlighting as a costumed superhero when Lightning suddenly comes back to life for the day to participate in a tourney that gets horribly derailed by the minions of an evil wizard seeking to revive an ancient evil created by the evil wizard's evil ancestor).

At least we can look forward to Lightning and Snow both trying desperately and failing miserably at getting their driver's licenses, and in the case of an FFXIII-3; Lightning and Fang joining together to be transformed by the villain of the hour into the galaxy's most powerful chocolate flavored jawbreaker and then proceed to curb-stomp said villain of the hour.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 23, 2011, 11:49:22 PM
Heavily Involves Time Travel
No longer takes place on Gran Pulse or Cocoon
Instead takes place on Valhalla where lightning has become a servant to the goddess

lmao

Wait, what? Where did you get that from? FFXIII-2 setting is Gran Pulse and the time-travel aspect concerns it's future. Valhalla is where Lightining is and was in hinted at FFXIII's datalog. Cocoon itself is still around too, only it's crashed into the ground. This basically the first info we got when SE started detailing the game.

Doesn't sound much different than your typical FF game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 24, 2011, 12:08:27 AM
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Bartandulus needs to come back in the first scene half cyborg and Noel needs to slice him up XD

I'm suddenly having flashbacks of 2004/5's FMA's "The Archinator" who after getting half his body sucked up in a transmutation comes back as a completely ridiculous and non-threatening half cyborg who spends the rest of the anime getting jobbed by a version elevated side character and a version nerfed major character.

Fake Edit: Of course I am an idiot and forget that this is a reference to an anime but not the one I mentioned above. In penance, I suggest that the guy in the spoiler tags brings his daddy along to get curbstomped alongside him. Also Fang should be running around in yellow pants and a pink shirt with the words Bad Man printed on the back.

and then Vanille dumps Hope and starts dating Fang. Later it's revealed that Noel is Vanille and Fang's (adopted) child and Lightnings gonna die from incurable disease in the future.

Of course it can only end with Lightning diking it out with the big bad until Lightning throws in the towel and/or dies letting Serah-chan take over in defeating the big bad and thus succeeding her as champion of wherever they are, while Noel goes back to the future to trash the versions of the big bad that's trashing his future; thus concluding the FFXIII saga (unless of course Squeenix revisits FFXIII again where it's seven years in the future, Serah-chan has enrolled in highschool while moonlighting as a costumed superhero when Lightning suddenly comes back to life for the day to participate in a tourney that gets horribly derailed by the minions of an evil wizard seeking to revive an ancient evil created by the evil wizard's evil ancestor).

At least we can look forward to Lightning and Snow both trying desperately and failing miserably at getting their driver's licenses, and in the case of an FFXIII-3; Lightning and Fang joining together to be transformed by the villain of the hour into the galaxy's most powerful chocolate flavored jawbreaker and then proceed to curb-stomp said villain of the hour.

Knowing Square they wont stop there. They'll continue it with FFXIII GT. Which starts out with Cid Raines using some magical L'cie stone to turn Lightning back into a kid, and forces her to go off on a grand adventure across the universe with Noel, and Serah and Snow's 10 year old daughter to restore her to her normal age.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 24, 2011, 12:32:02 AM
Wait, what? Where did you get that from? FFXIII-2 setting is Gran Pulse and the time-travel aspect concerns it's future. Valhalla is where Lightining is and was in hinted at FFXIII's datalog. Cocoon itself is still around too, only it's crashed into the ground. This basically the first info we got when SE started detailing the game.

Doesn't sound much different than your typical FF game.

Ah, right, I should've kept in mind this IS Thoren.

... Still, there's the concept of exploring how humanity re-establishes itself after being coddled by machine gods for generations (upon generations?), which can be hard to do justice in the context of a game or at least an immediate sequel. Instead, we have some crazy time traveling stuff and Lightning being in Valhalla and whatever. Just deliver on the gameplay and I'll ignore how hockey the story is. Well, and as long as it isn't TOO painful narratively.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 24, 2011, 12:56:18 AM
Is better not going expecting much with a game with Motomu Toriyama as the director of the project.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on September 24, 2011, 01:14:11 AM
Is better not going expecting much with a game with Motomu Toriyama as the director of the project.

He may really be best for games that are more lighthearted than not.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 24, 2011, 05:38:16 AM
Heavily Involves Time Travel
No longer takes place on Gran Pulse or Cocoon
Instead takes place on Valhalla where lightning has become a servant to the goddess

lmao

Wait, what? Where did you get that from? FFXIII-2 setting is Gran Pulse and the time-travel aspect concerns it's future. Valhalla is where Lightining is and was in hinted at FFXIII's datalog. Cocoon itself is still around too, only it's crashed into the ground. This basically the first info we got when SE started detailing the game.

Doesn't sound much different than your typical FF game.


You might not want to take his posts too seriously, though I can't blame you since others did as well. My advice is to keep your expectations low as far as the story is concerned but I think that goes without saying.

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Right?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 24, 2011, 06:06:08 AM
So, what's the plot of XIII-2 anyway? I haven't follow this game too closely but for what I know there is something with Gods, time travel (really?), stupid haircuts, sugar and rainbows and *gaps* exploration... or at least the illusion of it.

Other than that, I don't have a clue of what really this is going to be. Not that I'm going to buy it or anything but you know what they say; the more you know (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 24, 2011, 06:06:33 AM
I'm pretty sure he just took random lines from an article and put them together to make it sound worse that what it actually is. (People do the same thing to troll my blogs actually) Though i don't have much hope for the story, myself, but as long as the gameplay is solid (honestly they could keep everything the same from FFXIII for all I care call me crazy but it's my favorite console RPG this gen), and they don't fuck it's story up as bad as they did 3rd Birthday's I will be a happy girl. Still preordering it when i get enough cash to.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on September 24, 2011, 08:37:44 AM
Wait, what? Where did you get that from? FFXIII-2 setting is Gran Pulse and the time-travel aspect concerns it's future. Valhalla is where Lightining is and was in hinted at FFXIII's datalog. Cocoon itself is still around too, only it's crashed into the ground. This basically the first info we got when SE started detailing the game.

Doesn't sound much different than your typical FF game.

Ah, right, I should've kept in mind this IS Thoren.

... Still, there's the concept of exploring how humanity re-establishes itself after being coddled by machine gods for generations (upon generations?), which can be hard to do justice in the context of a game or at least an immediate sequel. Instead, we have some crazy time traveling stuff and Lightning being in Valhalla and whatever. Just deliver on the gameplay and I'll ignore how hockey the story is. Well, and as long as it isn't TOO painful narratively.

Yeah, agreed.

It's actually the part I'm most interested in since it's very radical change for people who lived such pampered lives on Cocoon.  IIRC, Toriyama stated eariler on thatt expanding the world-view would be one of key-themes of the game.

Is better not going expecting much with a game with Motomu Toriyama as the director of the project.

On the contrary he's made one best gameplay heavy FF since FFV, FFX-2. 


You might not want to take his posts too seriously, though I can't blame you since others did as well. My advice is to keep your expectations low as far as the story is concerned but I think that goes without saying.

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Don't worry, knowing Toriyama's track record as far writing is concerned my expectations pretty low on that front too. That said, FFXIII-2's overall plot itself should be ok/decent as FFX-2's (finding Tidus and learning Spira's history etc) was.

So, what's the plot of XIII-2 anyway? I haven't follow this game too closely but for what I know there is something with Gods, time travel (really?), stupid haircuts, sugar and rainbows and *gaps* exploration... or at least the illusion of it.

Other than that, I don't have a clue of what really this is going to be. Not that I'm going to buy it or anything but you know what they say; the more you know (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg).

The basic premise more or, less goes like this, 3 years have past since the events of FFXIII and former Cocoon residents are in the midst of rebuilding and adjusting to new lives on Pulse. Lightning has been missing without a trace ever since Cocoon's fall and most people save Serah have concluded she's likely dead, oddly enough completely forgetting about her.

Recently strange events like meteors crashing and spawning strange monsters (FFV anyone?) are causing havoc everywhere. Serah's town is one of those that gets attacked and she's then saved by mysterious man named Noel (and a moogle named Mog) who not only claims that he comes from the future, but that he knows where Lightning is and how she's connected to the monsters as well as him. This gives Serah a glimmer of hope after years and journeys with him to meet long lost sister and Noel to save his own time.

The setup is basically a mixture of elements from FFV and X-2 at this point.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 24, 2011, 11:36:15 AM
They don't assume she's dead, they think she's in the crystal pillar because they find her knife next to it. At the start of one of the TGS trailers you can see them discussing this. If you read the novel that makes the connection between both games you can see what really happened.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on September 24, 2011, 12:34:55 PM
Its odd, despite all the complaining I do about FFXIII, I'm actually compelled to pick it up again and beat it before the sequel comes out.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on September 24, 2011, 08:16:41 PM
Its odd, despite all the complaining I do about FFXIII, I'm actually compelled to pick it up again and beat it before the sequel comes out.

I hope they do a recap of the first game in the second one... EVERYONE I've talked to, in my circle, played the hell out of it, but never bothered beating it (not worth the effort). haha
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on September 25, 2011, 02:33:31 AM
Alright, I admit I was wrong. I failed to realize Lightning wasn't the main character anymore, and when I heard the retarded idea of her ascending to valhalla to become the servant of a deity, I just couldn't help but hyperbole the whole thing.

Let's see how this "Historia Crux" allows Square-Enix to re-use the same environments through different time periods!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on September 25, 2011, 02:35:35 AM
Edit: Also, QTE's

http://h7.abload.de/img/uszhytaitgfg13d7zjdt5sbuwb.jpg
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on September 25, 2011, 03:06:31 AM
Edit: Also, QTE's

http://h7.abload.de/img/uszhytaitgfg13d7zjdt5sbuwb.jpg

Didn't the rest of us know this months ago?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 25, 2011, 04:49:39 AM
Its odd, despite all the complaining I do about FFXIII, I'm actually compelled to pick it up again and beat it before the sequel comes out.

I hope they do a recap of the first game in the second one... EVERYONE I've talked to, in my circle, played the hell out of it, but never bothered beating it (not worth the effort). haha

:( I've spent over 170 hours with it, and am on my third playthrough. Though i never bothered getting the platinum, now that's not worth the effort.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 25, 2011, 05:10:13 AM
Edit: Also, QTE's

http://h7.abload.de/img/uszhytaitgfg13d7zjdt5sbuwb.jpg

Didn't the rest of us know this months ago?

He knows that.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on September 25, 2011, 02:51:12 PM
Yeah, I really don't care about the story, if the game world is inventive and vast (as it sounds like it will be), I'm all there. Also, stories are really only as good as their story telling. FFXIIIs story was bad because the story telling was terrible: much of it hidden in chapter text and books, even if the main characters themselves know about it. I HATE when you supposedly play a game from a character's perspective, but the writers obfuscate things that the main character already knows.

Look, I don't have much hope for FFXIII-2s story or storytelling, but I'm still strangely intrigued, and have this gut feeling that it's going to be a great experience. I never got that with FFX-2, and never even played it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on September 25, 2011, 04:25:54 PM
The storytelling was indeed horrible. The only character that didn't annoy me was Sazh, and he was supposed to be the comedy relief. Fang might have been OK but I didn't get far enough to actually get her in my party, so I didn't see much of her. I could probably live with the story if it wasn't for all the ridiculous terminology that only the characters understood. Its quite amazing that despite hating almost every aspect of the game, I'm actually compelled to pick it up again and beat it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on September 25, 2011, 04:55:06 PM
I thought the story telling was quite good for a JRPG. At least for the first half or so. After that it fell apart. But I loved the fact that the characters just used the terms with the assumption that everyone else understood them (well, for the most part). I hate how so many JRPGs have to hold your hand and explain everything. It's okay to not grasp all the little things immediately. It's not like the game doesn't give you enough to figure it all out, even without using the data thing.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on September 25, 2011, 05:12:03 PM
I wouldn't have been so bad if the terminology was at least intuitive to some degree and not as confusing and similar sounding. I just couldn't get my head around all the faux French they threw at me for no apparent reason. It's one thing if a game is complicated because it has a deep multi layered plot. Its another if its because of confusing, made up words you have to look up and memorise in order to make any sense of the plot.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 26, 2011, 08:46:49 AM
Looks like the good old sidequest is back:

(http://www.abload.de/img/finalfantasyxiii-2histbuc9.jpg)

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on September 26, 2011, 01:39:50 PM
There are so many things wrong with that picture. Unio implies(?) 1 but you're looking for 2 capsules. Second, it's good to see that No~el and Serah-chan have taken up the noble profession of drug peddling. Third, the quest giver looks like that guy from Shinobi-X (the drugs themselves are probably called Shinobix and are used to transform users into ninja, which is an incredibly stupid plan in of itself given the inverse law of ninjas where the more ninjas you have the less effective they are). And finally, while not stated, it's probably implied that the drugs are a rare drop of the common boar which means grinding for 3 hours for boar tusk ninja drug.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on September 26, 2011, 04:34:32 PM
Here's the theme song for the new and improved Bresha Ruins!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5OX0pX5mqM
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on September 26, 2011, 04:58:12 PM
There are so many things wrong with that picture. Unio implies(?) 1 but you're looking for 2 capsules. Second, it's good to see that No~el and Serah-chan have taken up the noble profession of drug peddling. Third, the quest giver looks like that guy from Shinobi-X (the drugs themselves are probably called Shinobix and are used to transform users into ninja, which is an incredibly stupid plan in of itself given the inverse law of ninjas where the more ninjas you have the less effective they are). And finally, while not stated, it's probably implied that the drugs are a rare drop of the common boar which means grinding for 3 hours for boar tusk ninja drug.

Wut?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Azrael on September 26, 2011, 06:26:30 PM
Unio doesn't mean 1.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on September 27, 2011, 05:47:37 AM
@Aeolus: I think that I understand the half of this nonsense. You still need to learn spanish though.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 27, 2011, 05:51:29 AM
Here's the theme song for the new and improved Bresha Ruins!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5OX0pX5mqM

Your point is? Final Fantasy 13 had a pop song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktQZWDOZ3kw) (one of my favorite tracks in the game) for one of the field areas. It's not that big of stretch for 13-2 to have a rap song.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on September 27, 2011, 10:56:04 PM
Here's the theme song for the new and improved Bresha Ruins!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5OX0pX5mqM

Your point is? Final Fantasy 13 had a pop song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktQZWDOZ3kw) (one of my favorite tracks in the game) for one of the field areas. It's not that big of stretch for 13-2 to have a rap song.

Big difference is that the pop song was... 'aaight. 

This rap song sucks fuck. 

I hope it's not real?

Lyrical songs set to repeat for video game music doesn't really sit well with me.  Persona 3 drilled the final nail in the coffin for that one.  BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY !! OOOOOHHH YEAAAAHHH
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 27, 2011, 11:10:04 PM
I thought that rap song wasn't too bad, not great but it's definitely something i can put up with, and it's only 18 seconds of it it could get better. Also i prefer songs with lyrics in games. It doesn't bother me at all i like it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on September 28, 2011, 02:06:16 AM
I know it's what the title of the youtube video says, but how is that song rap?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 28, 2011, 02:19:18 AM
I know it's what the title of the youtube video says, but how is that song rap?

Not to be mean or anything but how isn't it? The girl is rapping lyrics she isn't singing them.

Another note about the song sucking,l that video quality is ass. If it's an actual track i guarantee it's gonna sound better than that.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on September 28, 2011, 04:23:07 AM
I thought there was more to rap music than just having spoken lyrics.  The song seems more techno-ish to me.  But what do I know.  It's hard to tell much from 18 seconds of a song anyway.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 28, 2011, 04:35:05 AM
Well i think a lot of Rap at least Japanese rap has a more techonoish beat to it. Here's an example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOtwzUirvXY) Though yeah it's hard to even define what it even is with only 18 seconds of it, but this clip of it is rap, but it could be a small part of the song as a whole rather than it being like that the whole time.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on September 28, 2011, 08:15:33 AM
The Sunleth Waterscape song is awesome, among my favorite too but this C"RAP" for XIII-2 sounds like ... crap.
I just hope this crap is only 18 seconds of the song and the other 3 to 4 minutes are good.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on September 28, 2011, 08:04:54 PM
I actually like the rap song. Kind of reminds me of TWEWY music.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on September 28, 2011, 09:03:52 PM
If they get SAWA (the band that did most of the tracks for TWEWY) to do some of the tracks for FFXIII-2 i will squeal like a little girl.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on October 02, 2011, 08:25:56 AM
Well i think a lot of Rap at least Japanese rap has a more techonoish beat to it. Here's an example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOtwzUirvXY) Though yeah it's hard to even define what it even is with only 18 seconds of it, but this clip of it is rap, but it could be a small part of the song as a whole rather than it being like that the whole time.

When I think of inappropriate rap in a JRPG, I think of SO3. ("My name is Fayt Leingod! You just mortally wounded my father! Prepare to die!" *cue scrub encounter set to J-Rap*).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on October 02, 2011, 10:00:37 AM
Apparently some of the DLC will be accessories (http://andriasang.com/comyb8/) and it seems SE is just a bit away from Namco and releasing money or levels as DLC.
Here I was hoping for additional dungeons, bosses or a side story like the DLCs from Fallout. Hell, for all I care they could re-release Triple Triad with FFXIII characters and I would buy it but accessories...

If they expect us to buy it they should at least sell some overpowered items, maybe a Sprint Shoes where the haste don't fade away over time. That would be great!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on October 02, 2011, 03:18:51 PM
Japanese developers seem to be far behind on what makes good DLC. They seem to think selling boatloads of cosmetic changes or inconsequential accessories is the best way. It's like they're all interested in cheap moneygrabs instead of opening their game further to existing fans.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on October 02, 2011, 03:29:39 PM
Now now, Gears of War has a Commander Dom skin for a preorder bonus.  Anyways, if it's free and only at the cost of down-payment for a pre-order, then whatever.

It's funny how people love cosplay in their games too.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on October 02, 2011, 03:58:09 PM
Well i think a lot of Rap at least Japanese rap has a more techonoish beat to it. Here's an example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOtwzUirvXY) Though yeah it's hard to even define what it even is with only 18 seconds of it, but this clip of it is rap, but it could be a small part of the song as a whole rather than it being like that the whole time.

When I think of inappropriate rap in a JRPG, I think of SO3. ("My name is Fayt Leingod! You just mortally wounded my father! Prepare to die!" *cue scrub encounter set to J-Rap*).

SO DANCE
WHILE I PUT YOU IN A TRANCE
SENSATION
FEEL THE VIBRATION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S04366Z__k)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on October 02, 2011, 05:43:00 PM
Well i think a lot of Rap at least Japanese rap has a more techonoish beat to it. Here's an example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOtwzUirvXY) Though yeah it's hard to even define what it even is with only 18 seconds of it, but this clip of it is rap, but it could be a small part of the song as a whole rather than it being like that the whole time.

When I think of inappropriate rap in a JRPG, I think of SO3. ("My name is Fayt Leingod! You just mortally wounded my father! Prepare to die!" *cue scrub encounter set to J-Rap*).

SO DANCE
WHILE I PUT YOU IN A TRANCE
SENSATION
FEEL THE VIBRATION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S04366Z__k)

I SAID HEY, HEY, HEY.

I think Sakuraba used that sample in another song later on too.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on October 02, 2011, 06:41:01 PM
Well i think a lot of Rap at least Japanese rap has a more techonoish beat to it. Here's an example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOtwzUirvXY) Though yeah it's hard to even define what it even is with only 18 seconds of it, but this clip of it is rap, but it could be a small part of the song as a whole rather than it being like that the whole time.

When I think of inappropriate rap in a JRPG, I think of SO3. ("My name is Fayt Leingod! You just mortally wounded my father! Prepare to die!" *cue scrub encounter set to J-Rap*).

SO DANCE
WHILE I PUT YOU IN A TRANCE
SENSATION
FEEL THE VIBRATION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S04366Z__k)

I SAID HEY, HEY, HEY.

I think Sakuraba used that sample in another song later on too.
No, that was Shoji Meguro in Persona 3. It was a coincidence that the line "BURN YOUR BODY WITH A HOT LASAGNA!" was in a track.

Or was it?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on October 03, 2011, 02:49:02 PM
Ahh...I wasn't expecting the deal-breaker to hit so soon but there it is; pre-order bonus division BS. So I can either get an awesome extra summon/character and boss fight...a yet unknown costume which will most likely look amazing...or some books detailing important facts that'll likely be removed from the narrative because they exist in this book form...

Consider this title to have the official "Double Bird Salute" stamp of disapproval.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on October 03, 2011, 03:17:18 PM
Now now, Gears of War has a Commander Dom skin for a preorder bonus.  Anyways, if it's free and only at the cost of down-payment for a pre-order, then whatever.

It's funny how people love cosplay in their games too.

This is true, western games do have cosmetic bullshit too. However, at least there is worthwhile DLC mixed in with the bullshit. Especially with RPGs.

We need more "Lair of the Shadow Broker" style DLCs for RPGs on a whole.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on October 03, 2011, 04:18:37 PM
I actually would prefer that DLC be limited to cosmetic bullshit.  Then I can safely ignore it.

What's wrong with wanting my games to be complete out of the box?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on October 03, 2011, 04:21:59 PM
I actually would prefer that DLC be limited to cosmetic bullshit.  Then I can safely ignore it.

What's wrong with wanting my games to be complete out of the box?


Good point. :(

Clearly paying $70 ain't enough no mo'.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on October 06, 2011, 02:02:45 PM
I actually would prefer that DLC be limited to cosmetic bullshit.  Then I can safely ignore it.

What's wrong with wanting my games to be complete out of the box?


Shit tier logic. A game can be a complete full package out of the box, ie Mass Effect 2, and be enhanced even further by DLC.

I am not saying this justifies games that do it the wrong way.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on October 07, 2011, 04:41:46 PM
I have no beef with post release DLC that acts as an expansion to the main game. Border Lands is a prime example of how to do DLC right. The game itself feels complete, and each pack adds some separate content, that's actually fairly isolated from the main game. What I hate is the EA way of doing DLC. Releasing the game in chunks sprayed all over pre order bonuses, launch day expansion packs and special codes tacked on to other products. Its not as bad if its mostly cosmetic, but when we are talking actual game content that makes the game "even more complete". That's when I start to complain. Dragon Age 2 is a prime example of DLC done wrong.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on October 07, 2011, 05:28:08 PM
My only problem with DLC is that by the time it comes out, I'm already on to something else and have practically forgotten about the game. Good example is Fallout 3, one of my favorite games from 2009. That got LOADS of DLC, much of which I heard was very good, and I always wanted to play it. But it wasn't until just before the release of New Vegas that I finally downloaded Broken Steel, and MAN, do I wish that expansion had been there when I first played through the game!

Many people complain about DLC that's released at the same time as the game, but I really like it. I would probably end up playing a lot more of it. Unfortunately, doing it that way would end up pushing back the release date of the game. And always some people will complain that, "why didn't they just include it in the game in the first place!"

So, out of all the games I've played that have DLC, many of which were "game of the years" for me, Broken Steel is the only DLC I've ended up downloading.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on October 07, 2011, 09:06:49 PM
@Prime Mover, sounds like a personal problem.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on October 11, 2011, 11:02:54 AM
http://andriasang.com/comyj1/

FF13-2 to get two DLCs per month.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on October 11, 2011, 11:27:14 AM
If it were cosmetic stuff for no higher than 0.99 I wouldn't have a problem.
I liked better when japanese developers were settled to release a complete package like most have been doing.

I think the only way to make this sell like hotcakes is to put costumes from FFVII characters. If it were to have Tifa and Aeris costumes people would surely buy it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on October 13, 2011, 11:16:24 AM
Awesome new trailer:

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2011/10/13/final-fantasy-xiii-2-new-adventures-trailer (http://uk.ign.com/videos/2011/10/13/final-fantasy-xiii-2-new-adventures-trailer)

Kaias might turn out as one of the best villains in the franchise.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on October 13, 2011, 12:14:04 PM
Awesome new trailer:

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2011/10/13/final-fantasy-xiii-2-new-adventures-trailer (http://uk.ign.com/videos/2011/10/13/final-fantasy-xiii-2-new-adventures-trailer)

Kaias might turn out as one of the best villains in the franchise.

Wow!  That was a smorgasbord of absolutely everything!!!  OH THE DRAMMZZZ
"He Can't EVER die?!?!?"
"She was right here, DAMMIT! You're all CRAZY!!!"
"We must time travel to SAVE THE WORLD"
"Maybe everyone can be SAVED"
"NOELHAKU I WAAANNNT YOOU <3<3<3 explain more shit to me PLEZ"
"This is flying history circle portal!"
"I'm no hero...."
"YOURE NO HERO!!"

Still missing is everyone's favorite black man. =/  (and really the only character unanimously liked in the first title).  Snow still looks like ass.... that wild, untamed hair is now working.

Gameplay is shaping up yo actually look quite pretty though.  The moogle looks really out of place, but the gameplay does "look" a lot better than it ever played out in 13-1.  I'm kinda curious, and if it keeps up, it *MAY* be worth a purchase (maybe not day 1 though).

I seriously want a hot sexy affair between Serah and Noel... that'd be awesome. :P
I also still think it's sloppy to go from big-sci-fi world to ...a time travel world.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on October 13, 2011, 03:52:20 PM
Surprised this wasn't mentioned, or it was mentioned somewhere else in RPGFanLand and I missed it:

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/10/12/you-can-play-final-fantasy-xiii-2-with-japanese-voiceovers-and-english-text-too/

Asian version has Japanese audio and English or Chinese text.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Der Jermeister on October 13, 2011, 03:58:03 PM
I'd probably stick with the English voices since I liked them just fine in the original FF13. Not really sure if I want to pick up XIII-2 though since my feelings were definitely mixed on its predecessor, and it isn't exactly my favorite Final Fantasy. I didn't mind the lack of towns since they tend to be a game-padding gimmick anyway, I guess my problems were more with the battle system and difficulty.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lard on October 13, 2011, 04:12:24 PM
Knowing Square, there will be an inevitable re-release. Or two. Or three.

I will get the version that comes with the DLC.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on October 13, 2011, 10:29:10 PM
Knowing Square, there will be an inevitable re-release. Or two. Or three.

I will get the version that comes with the DLC.

I fucking hate that about games now.  The only benefit with buying games Day 1 is that fact you play it on Day 1.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on October 13, 2011, 10:53:36 PM
Knowing Square, there will be an inevitable re-release. Or two. Or three.

Except we're not in Japan, where that actually happens. Not unless you're counting ports to different systems, and are you REALLY going to wait until a PS4 if you actually want to get the game at all?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on October 14, 2011, 12:12:39 AM
Knowing Square, there will be an inevitable re-release. Or two. Or three.

I will get the version that comes with the DLC.

I fucking hate that about games now.  The only benefit with buying games Day 1 is that fact you play it on Day 1.

And Pre-Order DLC EXCLUSIVE at GameStop! lol
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on October 16, 2011, 06:10:04 PM
Oddly enough, I'm starting to look forward to this. I'm not really sure why though.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on October 19, 2011, 07:55:56 AM
https://member.eu.square-enix.com/en/blogs/final-fantasy-xiii-2-receive-two-special-editions-plus-free-pre-order-bonus-pack (https://member.eu.square-enix.com/en/blogs/final-fantasy-xiii-2-receive-two-special-editions-plus-free-pre-order-bonus-pack)

Limited Edition!
Crystal Edition!
Retail exclusive pre-order bonus!

Keep in mind that this is for Europe, not sure about the US versions.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on October 19, 2011, 08:18:30 AM
Hm, GAME's crystal edition actually includes all of the pre-order bonuses... It says UK only though, what the hell?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on October 20, 2011, 04:20:30 PM
Ordered the crystal edition from zavvi, they had by far the best price, damn thing sold out in less than 24 hours, glad I placed my pre-order right away.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on October 20, 2011, 04:26:09 PM
Damn Europeons and your Xenoblades and special editions! Q:P
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on October 25, 2011, 02:20:31 AM
Hahahahaha, new casino place announced: called XAAANADUUU!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY-eqnw_DXE&feature=player_detailpage#t=3s).

Sazh, our favorite missing black man, has been found and is apparently some Green Peacer for Gran Pulse these days, working to improve it.  Good ta have ya back, Sazh! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UejuOyLYodk&feature=player_detailpage#t=14s)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on October 26, 2011, 03:14:54 AM
XANADU?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9mwKBIkLM
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on October 26, 2011, 12:51:16 PM
Ah, Sazh. In a game where everyone is Jar Jar Binks, the comedy relief turns out to be the least annoying and most reasonable of the lot (bar possibly Fang, who I haven't seen enough of in game to judge). Glad to hear he made it into XIII-2. I should really try to watch play FFXIII again so I can beat in time for the sequel. Who knows, maybe I wont hate it quite as much on my second attempt, since I've had time to come to terms with how modern jRPGs "play".
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on October 27, 2011, 12:19:20 PM
Ton of new screens:

http://ps3.rpgsite.net/news/1337-new-final-fantasy-xiii2-screenshots-and-artwork (http://ps3.rpgsite.net/news/1337-new-final-fantasy-xiii2-screenshots-and-artwork)

(http://i.imgur.com/Xv23u.jpg)

(http://www.rpgsite.net/images/screens/280/6516casino_race_(US)_06_RGB.jpg)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on October 27, 2011, 12:27:16 PM
game looks pretty!

The characters... all look the same.

Bland and annoying.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on October 27, 2011, 12:33:39 PM
GORGIOUS! WOW!

That first screen reminds me of Deus Ex, but not sinister and gold. Gives Deus Ex a shit kick in the graphics department though. Second one... not so much, it just doesn't FEEL like a race course. The bleachers are small, unramped, and dark, so I barely noticed the crowd, and it's just too "nice" looking, too organized to be a place where (presumably) people bet their life savings and lose it to some lame duck. I usually don't like racing minigames, but if you're going to have them in an urban settlement, draw some connection to real horse racing, which is brutal and full of seedy characters.

Also, is it weird that, suddenly, I'm starting to find Serah attractive? Before she felt like pre-pubescent kid, but she strikes me as kinda hot in some of those pictures. They must have subtly changed her character model to be more womanly. Still, I'd MUCH rather have a badass character like Lightning.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on October 27, 2011, 01:10:33 PM
I think her boobs are slightly bigger. Her face has changed as well, she looks slightly older. Her outfit is more revealing. Kay might be able to point out the differences more accurately :-)

Anyway, the game looks really good and if they created an entire town dedicated to minigames like gold saucer, that's proof that they are listening to the feedback. They seem to have addressed all the major complaints people had with the prequel.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on October 27, 2011, 02:43:47 PM
I watched  this trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WsA6uElg60) recently and my hype meter for the game is going back up again!
Not only it looks to have more varied locations but also it appears to have a lot more stuff to do. I'd really like if they managed to put a good minigame that spams across everywhere you go, like the card in VIII and IX, and the mathematical disc in X-2.

@As for the aging Serah, I think so too. Her aging is much more subtle than Hope (as people believe that grown up Hope is from the future). Also like you said, CDFN the outfit helps a lot. The one from XIII while cute, gives that exact "cute" impression, like a teenager in Japan. While this new one seems more like a costume, by showing more skin and giving her breasts a little more oomph makes her seem older or at least more mature.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Richardbro on October 28, 2011, 03:05:34 AM
I'm really liking the idea of time travel this time around. Good to see most of the characters returning as well in some form or another. My anticipation for this game is beyond big.

The only thing I'm quite skeptical about, is the monster recruiting system. Rarely in RPG's does this work in favor of the game (Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Enchanted Arms, etc.). Of course this is just a small sample size of games, so here's hoping it will be a success in FFXIII-2.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on October 28, 2011, 03:53:23 AM
the mathematical disc in X-2.

Math? Oh my.

Now I know why I never understood that mini-game. :|
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Marshmallow on October 28, 2011, 07:12:35 AM
Literally everything about this game looks like an improvement except the monsters-as-party-members thing. I fear being stuck using Noel and Serah all game with no option for anybody else.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on October 28, 2011, 12:12:51 PM
Literally everything about this game looks like an improvement except the monsters-as-party-members thing. I fear being stuck using Noel and Serah all game with no option for anybody else.

Wait a minute, what about... ... ... ... hm.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on October 28, 2011, 02:31:40 PM
Literally everything about this game looks like an improvement except the monsters-as-party-members thing. I fear being stuck using Noel and Serah all game with no option for anybody else.

I won't mind it too much if they give you an incredibly useful slime knight that's viable til the endgame. Then it won't matter which monster of the week I shove in my wagon since I'll have something reliable and not prone to the whims of the plot or are colossal dicks and duck out of everything they can like Citan.


Additionally those chocobo are ugly as sin, and I refuse to believe that Sazh's Frocobo will end up looking like them.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on October 28, 2011, 09:31:49 PM
the mathematical disc in X-2.

Math? Oh my.

Now I know why I never understood that mini-game. :|
LOL! I don't remember exactly how it works now but if I'm not mistaken it had something to do with multiples of the number in the center. I though it was pretty easy but you had to have a quick thinking in regards to math or else it get's much more work than fun.

I also hate using monsters as party members. If it were a few animals or creatures that actually have the ability to speak or communicate I'm totally okay but a random monster ...
I just hope I can play the game with two characters but of course this all goes down until we find a broken party member. Hell, maybe some will have good skill like we get from enemies in FFVII.
If there's some creature with White Wind or Shadow Flare I'll eat my previous statement and put that creature in my part ASAP!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 02, 2011, 09:06:50 AM
Useless bonus if you have a XIII save and info about how equipment works:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-02-final-fantasy-13-2-has-a-bonus-for-final-fantasy-13-players (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-02-final-fantasy-13-2-has-a-bonus-for-final-fantasy-13-players)

Lots of new info here:

http://andriasang.com/comyuf/ (http://andriasang.com/comyuf/)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on November 02, 2011, 06:01:07 PM
Useless bonus if you have a XIII save and info about how equipment works:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-02-final-fantasy-13-2-has-a-bonus-for-final-fantasy-13-players (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-02-final-fantasy-13-2-has-a-bonus-for-final-fantasy-13-players)

Lots of new info here:

http://andriasang.com/comyuf/ (http://andriasang.com/comyuf/)

"I see that you've played FFXIII and Silent Hill, Snake."
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: hell_snake on November 02, 2011, 09:31:18 PM
Useless bonus if you have a XIII save and info about how equipment works:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-02-final-fantasy-13-2-has-a-bonus-for-final-fantasy-13-players (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-02-final-fantasy-13-2-has-a-bonus-for-final-fantasy-13-players)

Lots of new info here:

http://andriasang.com/comyuf/ (http://andriasang.com/comyuf/)

Seems like you can change any choice you've made at any point in time through the Historia Crux, which is convenient. But I have a feeling Live Trigger is nothing more than an afterthought rather than a fleshed out storytelling device.

The new Crystarium, which is pretty much X's sphere grid now, is definitely sounding better than XIII's, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 08, 2011, 09:05:10 AM
Some interesting new details about the battle system:

http://andriasang.com/comywh/ (http://andriasang.com/comywh/)

Also, you are totally buying these:

(http://www.news-gate.jp/2011/1110/3/20111109181041_04_400.jpg)

(http://www.news-gate.jp/2011/1110/3/20111109181041_02_400.jpg)

I actually like the black one, I hope they use it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ramza on November 10, 2011, 05:14:19 PM
I cannot believe I ordered the XIII-2 soundtrack Limited Edition that, after S&H, will cost as much as the entire North American game + soundtrack LE.

Square Enix hasn't given a 4 disc soundtrack as a bonus item ... ever. A full soundtrack of any kind with their games is almost unheard of in the US.

So uh... don't be like me. Don't import the soundtrack. Just get the game.

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 10, 2011, 05:28:16 PM
It's a great deal. Complete ost + artbook for an extra $20. The artbook is only 20pages though... I'm in Europe so I'm getting the crystal edition, I'm hoping it's not the same artbook but it probably is...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 10, 2011, 05:44:47 PM
I hope that Type-0 gets a special edition too.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on November 10, 2011, 06:04:46 PM
I hope Type-0 comes out here...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 10, 2011, 06:10:12 PM
I hope Type-0 comes out here...

Oh yeah, that too.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 10, 2011, 06:33:49 PM
Some interesting new details about the battle system:

http://andriasang.com/comywh/ (http://andriasang.com/comywh/)

Also, you are totally buying these:

(http://www.news-gate.jp/2011/1110/3/20111109181041_04_400.jpg)

(http://www.news-gate.jp/2011/1110/3/20111109181041_02_400.jpg)

I actually like the black one, I hope they use it.

It's more creatively charged than her standard outfit.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on November 10, 2011, 08:49:29 PM
I hope Type-0 comes out here...


Reasonably soon at the least.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 10, 2011, 11:41:23 PM
I hope Type-0 comes out here...


Reasonably soon at the least.

Vita port. 

Taking bets!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 14, 2011, 12:21:57 PM
(https://member.eu.square-enix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/post-image/image_gallery/173/34f46f0639d7aa77509f2dca38c0af5a.jpg)

Yup, that flan is wearing shades.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on November 14, 2011, 07:25:09 PM
(https://member.eu.square-enix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/post-image/image_gallery/173/34f46f0639d7aa77509f2dca38c0af5a.jpg)

Yup, that flan is wearing shades.

Deal with it!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 16, 2011, 12:16:14 PM
A ton of hands-on previews are hitting the net, some sites played through the first 6 hours of the game:

Destructoid's preview is pretty positive:

http://www.destructoid.com/i-played-6-hours-of-final-fantasy-xiii-2-and-it-was-good-215950.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/i-played-6-hours-of-final-fantasy-xiii-2-and-it-was-good-215950.phtml)

while eurogamer's is a lot more skeptical:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-16-final-fantasy-13-2-preview (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-16-final-fantasy-13-2-preview)

New Kitase interview:

http://www.rpgsite.net/interviews/339-final-fantasy-xiii2-yoshinori-kitase-interview (http://www.rpgsite.net/interviews/339-final-fantasy-xiii2-yoshinori-kitase-interview)



Also:

Quote
Final Fantasy 13-2 PS3/360 performance gap "a lot smaller"

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-15-final-fantasy-13-2-ps3-360-performance-gap-a-lot-smaller (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-15-final-fantasy-13-2-ps3-360-performance-gap-a-lot-smaller)

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 16, 2011, 12:30:53 PM
All I ask from Final Fantasy: less pissy and hormonal man-girls and retarded women.

I guess it's a Japanese thing, but I hate... HATE when they yap on about "what we're fighting for" and all that BS.
I think that's one thing I've hated about games with Nomura at the helm, the characters are just way too one-dimensional, they're way too sad most of the time, and constantly bitch on "war is bad" topics.  At least, that's mostly what FF13 was for me, dialogue-wise.

I think thats why Tales of the Abyss had an easy-to-love character to set.  At least you grow with them, you see them through the good, the bad, the silly, whatever.

I easily could have looked aside FF13s story if the characters were at least easier to love.

...I'm not touching gameplay till I play it.  The monster-schtick has me worried.  It sure as hell didn't work out for "Tales of Symphonia 2". *groan*.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 16, 2011, 01:24:31 PM
I guess it's a Japanese thing, but I hate... HATE when they yap on about "what we're fighting for" and all that BS.

But, Zero doesn't know what he's fighting for (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huVLbuD-etM). :(
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on November 16, 2011, 04:11:55 PM
.., the characters are just way too one-dimensional, they're way too sad most of the time...

(http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo212/TheGravemind_2008/noctiswhatever.gif)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 16, 2011, 04:41:10 PM
^Good one lol.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on November 16, 2011, 05:00:32 PM
All I ask from Final Fantasy: less pissy and hormonal man-girls and retarded women.

I guess it's a Japanese thing, but I hate... HATE when they yap on about "what we're fighting for" and all that BS.
I think that's one thing I've hated about games with Nomura at the helm, the characters are just way too one-dimensional, they're way too sad most of the time, and constantly bitch on "war is bad" topics.  At least, that's mostly what FF13 was for me, dialogue-wise.

I think thats why Tales of the Abyss had an easy-to-love character to set.  At least you grow with them, you see them through the good, the bad, the silly, whatever.
It's a problem with Japanese media in general because they're mainly shonen stuff. As in, they end up just going to the generic Naruto/Bleach/One Piece stuff that wax poetic about friendship and hard work, etc. Very few games are like FFT where they have the serious political intrigue and stuff because people want to watch/play idealized fantasies rather than gritty realistic scenarios.

Most of what constitutes the more mature stuff in Japan (at least from what I've seen or read) is mainly super violent or really sexed up stuff. It's rare that something like Monster comes along and just throws off everyone's expectations.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Giga_Force on November 16, 2011, 07:00:07 PM
I want to preorder the Limited Edition which comes with the 4 disc soundtrack but I already payed and preordered the actual soundtrack from otaku.com.  F*** it.......
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aurian on November 16, 2011, 10:58:53 PM
I want to preorder the limited edition but Canada doesn't seem to get it. :(
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 16, 2011, 11:03:54 PM
I want to preorder the limited edition but Canada doesn't seem to get it. :(
Not on Amazon!

http://www.ebgames.ca/ps3/final-fantasy-xiii-2-collectors-edition-with-bonus-pre-order-online-or-pre-order-in-store-starting-11-11-11/311908?loc=comingsoon_row3_col1
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aurian on November 17, 2011, 09:42:03 PM
Cool thanks. I was hoping to get the Amazon or Best Buy goodie since I am never all THAT squee for alt costumes. Guess if the other two aren't letting Canucks order it though, I'll go with eb.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 17, 2011, 10:45:09 PM
Yeah. GS/EB has the shittiest preorder bonus imo. Personally I want the BB one.

....I find it funny how bestbuy.ca has a listing for Final Fantasy XIV PS3 but not XIII-2 - even the regular edition. lolwhut
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 21, 2011, 03:43:56 AM
Soundtrack samples:

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/music/sem/page/fabula/ff13-2/ (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/music/sem/page/fabula/ff13-2/)

Chocobo theme by Nobuo Uematsu.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 21, 2011, 08:31:48 AM
Yeah. GS/EB has the shittiest preorder bonus imo. Personally I want the BB one.

....I find it funny how bestbuy.ca has a listing for Final Fantasy XIV PS3 but not XIII-2 - even the regular edition. lolwhut


Best Buy has been killing the preorder bonuses lately... I think I got a job at the wrong place if I wanted swag.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 21, 2011, 04:37:29 PM
(http://p.twimg.com/Aey3seFCIAAFevl.jpg)

Only available through some contest.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on November 21, 2011, 07:17:43 PM
*my obligatory post about how much I wanted a white ps3 released here*

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 21, 2011, 07:22:19 PM
I'd rather have a silver PS3. The Moogle ones are kinda cool, but they have way too much pink. Especially the 360.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 21, 2011, 07:35:22 PM
I'd rather have a silver PS3. The Moogle ones are kinda cool, but they have way too much pink. Especially the 360.

The only Moogle I'd want on a PS3 is the FF6 art of Mog leaning on the sword.

A white pS3 is nice.... but the pink is kinda killing it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on November 21, 2011, 08:41:49 PM
Yeah. GS/EB has the shittiest preorder bonus imo. Personally I want the BB one.

....I find it funny how bestbuy.ca has a listing for Final Fantasy XIV PS3 but not XIII-2 - even the regular edition. lolwhut

Best Buy has been killing the preorder bonuses lately... I think I got a job at the wrong place if I wanted swag.

As someone who worked there during college, we didn't get anything extra at.  Besides discounts (which were decent, probably similar to what GS offers), the only swag we got was from reps who stopped by our store.  We got pens and sometimes keychains =P
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 21, 2011, 08:53:11 PM
Yeah. GS/EB has the shittiest preorder bonus imo. Personally I want the BB one.

....I find it funny how bestbuy.ca has a listing for Final Fantasy XIV PS3 but not XIII-2 - even the regular edition. lolwhut

Best Buy has been killing the preorder bonuses lately... I think I got a job at the wrong place if I wanted swag.

As someone who worked there during college, we didn't get anything extra at.  Besides discounts (which were decent, probably similar to what GS offers), the only swag we got was from reps who stopped by our store.  We got pens and sometimes keychains =P

Well, we get swag... but I'm not exactly keen on wearing a Large sized Call of Duty t-shirt and a tuque. =P

I'm more surprised we didn't get anything for Ass Creed (fingers crossed for the third title) and Skyward Sword. D:
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 22, 2011, 05:39:22 AM

I'm more surprised we didn't get anything for Ass Creed (fingers crossed for the third title)

It's the forth title.

(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111108145423/callofduty/images/c/c2/Troll-face.png)



Some new info:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-22-final-fantasy-13-2-story-30-40-hours-long (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-22-final-fantasy-13-2-story-30-40-hours-long)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 22, 2011, 06:34:14 AM
I want that 360. I'm not too huge of a fan of the slim PS3's though. I prefer the bigger ones for some reason. Also I'm preordering the collector's edition from gamestop >_> Alternate costume for Serah *drools*

Does anyone know if the save data carry over bonuses are worthwhile? I kind of wanted to get it on 360, but my FFXIII save is on PS3. Most of what I've read it all seems negligible though it doesnt really seem to tell you everything.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 22, 2011, 11:24:00 AM

I'm more surprised we didn't get anything for Ass Creed (fingers crossed for the third title)

It's the forth title.

(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111108145423/callofduty/images/c/c2/Troll-face.png)


Technically it's the fifth, actually (Ass1, Ass2, Brotherhood, Rev, and what will be Ass3). =P
More if you count the shittier handheld releases.

I'm preordering this stupid game next time I can.  I'm done.  They sold me.  But I will change me mind if reviews tank.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 22, 2011, 12:48:56 PM
Ugh AssCreed Bloodlines. The PSP one. Altair's voice.

:(
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 22, 2011, 02:16:31 PM

I'm more surprised we didn't get anything for Ass Creed (fingers crossed for the third title)

It's the forth title.

(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111108145423/callofduty/images/c/c2/Troll-face.png)


Technically it's the fifth, actually (Ass1, Ass2, Brotherhood, Rev, and what will be Ass3). =P
More if you count the shittier handheld releases.

I'm preordering this stupid game next time I can.  I'm done.  They sold me.  But I will change me mind if reviews tank.

Oh, I thought you meant revelations.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on November 22, 2011, 10:13:20 PM
I want that 360. I'm not too huge of a fan of the slim PS3's though. I prefer the bigger ones for some reason.

Really?  If you install games, they play as quiet as a PS3.  I love the slims.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 22, 2011, 10:16:59 PM
This game is gonna suck and is going to sell millions! :D

...

:(
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 22, 2011, 10:22:51 PM
This game is gonna suck and is going to sell millions! :D

...

:(

Take that aspiring indie developers.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 22, 2011, 10:23:12 PM
I want that 360. I'm not too huge of a fan of the slim PS3's though. I prefer the bigger ones for some reason.

Really?  If you install games, they play as quiet as a PS3.  I love the slims.

I love my PS3 Slim. It's so quiet, unless you put it in a closed area. Then it gets super cranky.

The PS3 Fat freaks me out though. NO BUTTONS. I will like hover over the power 'button' and it turns on.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on November 22, 2011, 10:50:51 PM
I'm trying to remember if my 3DO was loud :/
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 23, 2011, 02:39:24 AM
I meant the fat ones look better. I dont mind it being loud my tvs usually loud enough i dont hear it anyways.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 23, 2011, 11:06:12 AM
Wooow... the pre-order bonuses for this game are hitting harder and faster than Mohammed Ali.  Is this Squeenix's way to luuuuree people backa fter FF13?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on November 23, 2011, 02:19:03 PM
Wooow... the pre-order bonuses for this game are hitting harder and faster than Mohammed Ali.  Is this Squeenix's way to luuuuree people backa fter FF13?

Probably, which could be a really bad sign. If they ware confident that this game can hold its own after release, they wouldn't need all the shiny stuff to sell it before anyone even had a chance to play it. Truth be told, unless someone really loved the first game, they would be very unwise to pre-order this one based on marketing and "bonuses" alone. I'm hoping they made the right changes, but I'm not going to hold my breath. I still plan to keep an eye on this, but there's absolutely no way I'm buying it on day one.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 23, 2011, 02:29:23 PM
Lightning/Caius trailer: http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2011/2460.html
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on November 23, 2011, 02:33:43 PM
The thing I don't like about these pre-order bonuses, is not only the fact that you have to pre-order a game without knowing much about it, especially reviews but also discourages you to buy at your favorite store if they don't happen to have the bonus you want or no bonus at all.

As for me, an international buyer I'll never get a bonus, unless I'm lucky enough to buy at ebay and the person selling it got it from said store.

I'm personally hoping these bonuses are just some random crap people won't even miss.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on November 23, 2011, 04:21:17 PM
The worst part about Final Fantasy pre-order bonuses is that you actually have to buy the game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on November 23, 2011, 07:13:34 PM
^^heh

The thing I don't like about these pre-order bonuses, is not only the fact that you have to pre-order a game without knowing much about it, especially reviews but also discourages you to buy at your favorite store if they don't happen to have the bonus you want or no bonus at all.

Probably best bet is to just not open it and hold onto the receipt so you can return it later if reviews turn out to be negative.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 23, 2011, 08:15:25 PM
Most of the previews seem positive. It's pretty much my second most anticipated game next year (after Lollipop Chainsaw) then again I enjoyed FFXIII, and have an unhealthy obsession with Serah so I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy it ether way. Besides I don't even read reviews of games I'm anticipating anyways so I really have nothing to wait for with it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on November 24, 2011, 05:02:46 AM
Most of the previews seem positive. It's pretty much my second most anticipated game next year (after Lollipop Chainsaw) then again I enjoyed FFXIII, and have an unhealthy obsession with Serah so I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy it ether way. Besides I don't even read reviews of games I'm anticipating anyways so I really have nothing to wait for with it.

Yes she was a truly incredible character, with her whole 5 minutes of screen time.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on November 24, 2011, 07:39:41 AM
But how can you blame her? Serah's so cute.
Also just knowing Snow is gone makes Serah a lot more interesting.

@Princess_Kay It isn't my most anticipated game by far, not  even from Squareenix, as Tomb Raider seems like it can be excellent again. Incredible what a little video from SE japanese team can do.

The thing about XIII-2 is that it seems to deliver in all areas FFXIII failed to please a good number of its fans. I also like XIII but if there is one thing that truly bothered me was the fact that we have no freedom at all on how to customize ours characters, even having the crystarium locked but since they said this won't be the case anymore I'm like you, just hoping for the best.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on November 24, 2011, 08:12:30 AM
But how can you blame her? Serah's so cute.

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Meicyn/trolling/vseij.jpg)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 24, 2011, 06:39:37 PM
Most of the previews seem positive. It's pretty much my second most anticipated game next year (after Lollipop Chainsaw) then again I enjoyed FFXIII, and have an unhealthy obsession with Serah so I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy it ether way. Besides I don't even read reviews of games I'm anticipating anyways so I really have nothing to wait for with it.

Yes she was a truly incredible character, with her whole 5 minutes of screen time.

All I need is 3 seconds of screen time to tell shes hot. Also Laura Bailey is her English voice <3 if i ever see the man she married i will knock him out and ship him to China SHE'S MINE.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on November 24, 2011, 07:04:15 PM
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/Meicyn/trolling/aeris.jpg)
UGUUU~
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on November 24, 2011, 07:51:43 PM
The fuck's going on in here? More importantly, how did Serah even develop a following?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on November 24, 2011, 08:04:01 PM
The fuck's going on in here? More importantly, how did Serah even develop a following?

Maybe it's like Touhou, where the fans enter themselves into a state of nerdy stupor and craft their own realities for characters that don't have a personality whatsoever... except that the Touhou games are actually good.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 24, 2011, 08:46:06 PM
Or maybe people realize personality doesn't really matter when she's just a bunch of rendered pixels and just find that she looks attractive. Also LAURA BAILEY!

aaaand (this comment is a little sexual if you don't want to read just don't highlight within the spoiler tag, okay)

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I have this really huge fetish about submissive or smaller girls. I want them to dominate me. I find it sexy if a girl like that does something like that to me. Hence my attraction to Serah.
The end people asked and there's my answer.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on November 24, 2011, 10:44:45 PM
I thought you people thought Serah was so skinny she'd die at childbirth. And that Snow was an *sshole.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on November 24, 2011, 11:34:49 PM
Don't worry, there are some of us who still think she's gross.  Anorexic girls with vapid faces and clueless personalities are very unattractive.  Serah may as well be Miss Teen South Carolina.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 24, 2011, 11:48:28 PM
Don't worry, there are some of us who still think she's gross.  Anorexic girls with vapid faces and clueless personalities are very unattractive.  Serah may as well be Miss Teen South Carolina.

There's all this, and that side ponytail which will never not bother me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on November 25, 2011, 12:04:02 AM
Basically never assume that Kay's opinion is representative of the average RPGFaner...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 25, 2011, 12:38:40 AM
Yes because we all know everyone else here has impeccable taste in women. If you truly need to look down on me to make yourself feel better fine whatever its not my problem it's yours.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on November 25, 2011, 12:46:50 AM
Or maybe people realize personality doesn't really matter when she's just a bunch of rendered pixels and just find that she looks attractive.

This sentence made my brain light on fire
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 25, 2011, 01:03:53 AM
Or maybe people realize personality doesn't really matter when she's just a bunch of rendered pixels and just find that she looks attractive.

This sentence made my brain light on fire

Not sure if thats good thing or bad thing. What I meant though is if that if I'm just looking a girl from a GAME who the hell cares what her personality's like it's not like I'm ever going to have a relationship with her. Why does personality even matter in this instance?

To break it down. If the girl's not actually real: Looks > Personality
If I'm actually looking for someone to be with me Personality >>>>>>>>> Looks.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on November 25, 2011, 01:16:48 AM
I just hope the special edition metal case is sexy
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 25, 2011, 01:33:01 AM
If it isn't I'm trollling every Square forum i can find.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 25, 2011, 01:49:01 AM
If it isn't I'm trollling every Square forum i can find.

That will not make the games any better.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 25, 2011, 01:50:39 AM
If there's a way to actually do that I'm all ears, but until then trolling square forums does sound fun.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 25, 2011, 02:28:51 AM
Don't worry, there are some of us who still think she's gross.  Anorexic girls with vapid faces and clueless personalities are very unattractive.  Serah may as well be Miss Teen South Carolina.

There's all this, and that side ponytail which will never not bother me.

I think it's the underlying muller that is usually curtained by side ponytail that won't not bother me.

It can easily be said that with Kay, talk of sex on this forum increases 1000%.  For better or worse?  Who knows.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 25, 2011, 03:00:16 AM
Late, but I think Snow at least looks like an asshole in XIII-2.

Maybe not for you, but personality does matter. A character may just be pixels and look hot all they want, but if they open their mouth and listening to them makes my brain cells want to die, their attractiveness drops big time. It doesn't just end at physical appearance for me.

But I don't play games to sit there and ogle characters. In games like RPGs where I'm presumably supposed to give a shit about characters and what happens to them, personality matters in that respect too.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 25, 2011, 03:23:22 AM
I feel more attached to my character in Dark Souls than any of the clowns in XIII, with the obvious exception of Sazh of course.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 25, 2011, 05:53:48 AM
As I've already stated a bunch of times in this thread I don't even care about this games story. After the clusterfuck that was FFXIII's story I don't think they can save it. So at the end of the day all I want is fun gameplay and cute ass to stare at. In a game where I don't care about story I only care about how the characters look. For example when I play DW i just pick the girl I find the most attractive regardless of what her part in the story is cause the story is pretty much negligible.

In a game like Persona 4 where I actually give a damn about the characters I do care how their personality is, but as it stands I couldn't give 2 fucks about Gran Pulse and Coccoon or where ever else it takes place cause I have no connection to the world expect the fact that I want to do nasty things to Serah and Vanille.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on November 25, 2011, 09:01:36 AM
the fact that I want to do nasty things to Serah and Vanille.

And this is why people look down on you (certainly me, anyway).  It isn't really that you're attracted to the characters.  It's likely everyone on this forum has an attraction to at least one game character, myself included.  It's that you constantly remind us of it over, and over, and over.  We don't give a shit that you're into Serah dominating you in some kinky gay sex fantasy.  Contrary to your self-centered belief, no one asked despite your desire to share.  You're not the only person on this forum that seeks alternative options in their sex life.  You're just the only person that takes every opportunity to shove it into everyone's faces.  Between the constant reminders of your sexual desires, rotating girl signatures, and pink text, you're the gay pride parade of RPGFan.  You're still into gay things, thanks for the fucking update.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on November 25, 2011, 12:34:19 PM
Well this thread turned more awful than usual.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 25, 2011, 03:36:28 PM
the fact that I want to do nasty things to Serah and Vanille.

And this is why people look down on you (certainly me, anyway).  It isn't really that you're attracted to the characters.  It's likely everyone on this forum has an attraction to at least one game character, myself included.  It's that you constantly remind us of it over, and over, and over.  We don't give a shit that you're into Serah dominating you in some kinky gay sex fantasy.  Contrary to your self-centered belief, no one asked despite your desire to share.  You're not the only person on this forum that seeks alternative options in their sex life.  You're just the only person that takes every opportunity to shove it into everyone's faces.  Between the constant reminders of your sexual desires, rotating girl signatures, and pink text, you're the gay pride parade of RPGFan.  You're still into gay things, thanks for the fucking update.

Like i fucking care. If you have a problem with my posts just put me on ignore. This is I how I am. In real and on the internet fucking deal with it. You wanna look down on people for being themselves well then keeping being an asshole there champ you're doing a great job of it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 25, 2011, 03:46:33 PM
Damn, remind me not to piss you off.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on November 25, 2011, 04:36:42 PM
the fact that I want to do nasty things to Serah and Vanille.

And this is why people look down on you (certainly me, anyway).  It isn't really that you're attracted to the characters.  It's likely everyone on this forum has an attraction to at least one game character, myself included.  It's that you constantly remind us of it over, and over, and over.  We don't give a shit that you're into Serah dominating you in some kinky gay sex fantasy.  Contrary to your self-centered belief, no one asked despite your desire to share.  You're not the only person on this forum that seeks alternative options in their sex life.  You're just the only person that takes every opportunity to shove it into everyone's faces.  Between the constant reminders of your sexual desires, rotating girl signatures, and pink text, you're the gay pride parade of RPGFan.  You're still into gay things, thanks for the fucking update.

Like i fucking care. If you have a problem with my posts just put me on ignore. This is I how I am. In real and on the internet fucking deal with it. You wanna look down on people for being themselves well then keeping being an asshole there champ you're doing a great job of it.

Ahaha.  I'm not an ostrich, so putting you on ignore isn't going to happen.  Calling me an asshole isn't going to dissuade me either, since I'm well aware of that fact.  I am real and on the internet fucking deal with it.  Every time you activate internet forum attention whore mode, be prepared to receive another round of appreciation from yours truly!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 25, 2011, 04:46:28 PM
Well this thread turned more awful than usual.

I'd agree, but I'm kinda tired of the non-stop sex posting (to whatever extent).  Kay, I think you could be a way better addition to this forum if you back off on it a bit.  Jokes are one thing, but it manages to seep into every single post almost.

I admire you wanting to be yourself, but consider how well that attitude would even work in real life.  It's a tiring act sometimes.  Especially with what this forum caters to, I don't think we want to hear about your fantasies with submissive game characters. =/
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on November 25, 2011, 05:25:51 PM
Well this thread turned more awful than usual.

I'd agree, but I'm kinda tired of the non-stop sex posting (to whatever extent).  Kay, I think you could be a way better addition to this forum if you back off on it a bit.  Jokes are one thing, but it manages to seep into every single post almost.

I admire you wanting to be yourself, but consider how well that attitude would even work in real life.  It's a tiring act sometimes.  Especially with what this forum caters to, I don't think we want to hear about your fantasies with submissive game characters. =/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO5oDScu4ps
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 25, 2011, 05:48:46 PM
the fact that I want to do nasty things to Serah and Vanille.

And this is why people look down on you (certainly me, anyway).  It isn't really that you're attracted to the characters.  It's likely everyone on this forum has an attraction to at least one game character, myself included.  It's that you constantly remind us of it over, and over, and over.  We don't give a shit that you're into Serah dominating you in some kinky gay sex fantasy.  Contrary to your self-centered belief, no one asked despite your desire to share.  You're not the only person on this forum that seeks alternative options in their sex life.  You're just the only person that takes every opportunity to shove it into everyone's faces.  Between the constant reminders of your sexual desires, rotating girl signatures, and pink text, you're the gay pride parade of RPGFan.  You're still into gay things, thanks for the fucking update.

Like i fucking care. If you have a problem with my posts just put me on ignore. This is I how I am. In real and on the internet fucking deal with it. You wanna look down on people for being themselves well then keeping being an asshole there champ you're doing a great job of it.

Ahaha.  I'm not an ostrich, so putting you on ignore isn't going to happen.  Calling me an asshole isn't going to dissuade me either, since I'm well aware of that fact.  I am real and on the internet fucking deal with it.  Every time you activate internet forum attention whore mode, be prepared to receive another round of appreciation from yours truly!

lol go ahead you'll continue to accomplish NOTHING other than giving an "attention whore" attention. Oh wait......

Well this thread turned more awful than usual.

I'd agree, but I'm kinda tired of the non-stop sex posting (to whatever extent).  Kay, I think you could be a way better addition to this forum if you back off on it a bit.  Jokes are one thing, but it manages to seep into every single post almost.

I admire you wanting to be yourself, but consider how well that attitude would even work in real life.  It's a tiring act sometimes.  Especially with what this forum caters to, I don't think we want to hear about your fantasies with submissive game characters. =/

Haven't we went through this before like multiple times. Someone asks me nicely like this to tone it down. I try for awhile I get bored stop posting, and come back later the same as I was before. If I can't act like this on forums I just don't have fun. I don't want to be there at all. If I can't say what I want to in a forum I don't want to post there period.

I understand what you're saying I truly do, but at the end of the day I'm not here to add anything to any conversation here. I'm here to have fun or make friends. To that point the ones that call me friend have already accepted me and overtly sexual tone, and the ones that haven't accepted my changing wont change how they view me.

So two options I make more use of spoiler tags for things people don't want to read or I leave this forum. Cause at the end of the day if I can't be the way i am now here I don't want to be here period.


Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on November 25, 2011, 05:59:59 PM
Well putting you on ignore won't work, since your posts have pretty much proven to derail whole threads.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 25, 2011, 06:16:33 PM
Master Yoda, do you use the force to come up with these lines? If so, can I be your padawan?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 25, 2011, 06:20:34 PM
Well putting you on ignore won't work, since your posts have pretty much proven to derail whole threads.

Haha that's the work of a master troll :D I always get results even when i don't try to evidently.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on November 25, 2011, 06:32:27 PM
the fact that I want to do nasty things to Serah and Vanille.

And this is why people look down on you (certainly me, anyway).  It isn't really that you're attracted to the characters.  It's likely everyone on this forum has an attraction to at least one game character, myself included.  It's that you constantly remind us of it over, and over, and over.  We don't give a shit that you're into Serah dominating you in some kinky gay sex fantasy.  Contrary to your self-centered belief, no one asked despite your desire to share.  You're not the only person on this forum that seeks alternative options in their sex life.  You're just the only person that takes every opportunity to shove it into everyone's faces.  Between the constant reminders of your sexual desires, rotating girl signatures, and pink text, you're the gay pride parade of RPGFan.  You're still into gay things, thanks for the fucking update.

Like i fucking care. If you have a problem with my posts just put me on ignore. This is I how I am. In real and on the internet fucking deal with it. You wanna look down on people for being themselves well then keeping being an asshole there champ you're doing a great job of it.

Ahaha.  I'm not an ostrich, so putting you on ignore isn't going to happen.  Calling me an asshole isn't going to dissuade me either, since I'm well aware of that fact.  I am real and on the internet fucking deal with it.  Every time you activate internet forum attention whore mode, be prepared to receive another round of appreciation from yours truly!

lol go ahead you'll continue to accomplish NOTHING other than giving an "attention whore" attention. Oh wait......

Ahaha.  It's not about denying an attention whore, attention.  It's about denying them the type of attention they desire.  By the way, it most certainly is accomplishing something.  You're pondering your options with this forum even now, which is entirely the point.

Bye!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 25, 2011, 07:00:54 PM
LOL
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on November 25, 2011, 07:01:16 PM
Haven't we went through this before like multiple times. Someone asks me nicely like this to tone it down. I try for awhile I get bored stop posting, and come back later the same as I was before. If I can't act like this on forums I just don't have fun.

While I'm not usually the type to judge what people do or don't enjoy, maybe you should take a good hard look at WHY you enjoy being so overtly sexual. Any time that one continually finds pleasure in other people's discomfort or negativity, there's a problem there. And this is what this is all about. We don't mind your sexuality, we aren't upset by your opinions, this really isn't even about sexuality at all, what bothers us is that over and over again, we've made it clear that we aren't interested in something you're doing, and yet you keep doing it. It simply goes against the basic principals of positive human interaction: you know that we don't like it, yet you do it anyway.

I understand what you're saying I truly do, but at the end of the day I'm not here to add anything to any conversation here. I'm here to have fun or make friends.

The problem is, your "fun" is being done at the expense of other's, and who wants to be friends with someone who does that?

Most people around here are fairly socially open-minded. We swear like pirates, talk about erotic things FROM TIME TO TIME, and we're pretty comfortable with people from all different sexual orientations, and we don't mind them talking any more than us boring, bread and butter heteros, so that's not the issue. But every social environment has it's boundaries. Our boundaries are loose, but our patience only goes so far. While we can tolerate some pretty out-there stuff, we'd rather it not become the a cornerstone of the community. You wanna talk erotic fantasies? There are plenty of great hentai and erotica forums out there, which I don't doubt you'll find more than a few of us at once in a while. But this is an RPG videogame forum, and while we very often diverge from that central topic, at the end of the day, that's what this community is based around.

I happen to be a total music composition and production gearhead geek. I have my forum for that, in which I nerd-out on all kinds of obscure audio production topics that would make most people's eyes glaze over. Once in a while, an anecdote or two might spill out, especially on the music sub-forum, but for the most part, I keep it off this forum.

So, I recommend you find a good solid outlet for your erotic fetish discussions, and compartmentalize your social environments a little more.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on November 25, 2011, 07:35:02 PM
You can fancy it up with as many words as you want. I wish to be myself wherever I go, and you're right it wont win me many friends but it will win me the right friends. I also know my fun comes at the expense of others fun, and even sometimes just plain at the expense of others. I commonly refer to myself as a troll. I don't things to impress others or fit in. I do things because I enjoy them. Perhaps its being selfish but to me its the only way I would ever want to live.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on November 25, 2011, 07:43:24 PM
Then you'll have to leave or one of us will ban you and be done with it, because it's not worth letting you run around when it serves no purpose but to frustrate almost every other poster.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: John on November 25, 2011, 07:55:47 PM
You are welcome to be whoever you want to be in your life, and wish you the best, but there are rules here and many have expressed their distaste to the over-the-top behavior that you have demonstrated.  If you wish to continue at this community, you will need to follow the rules of these forums and keep your posts appropriate for those of ages 13+.  You've been asked to tone down your behavior and this will be your last warning.

As for this thread, this is the last off-topic post I'd like to see.  Return to your time-traveling moogle guns and l'Cie, fal'Cie, Ci'eth, and all of those other words with apostrophes in them.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on November 25, 2011, 10:21:45 PM
Can I ask why everyone seems to love Sazh? Granted I hardly played any of FF13, I do plan on finishing it, but to me (from the intro) he seemed like stereotype.

Are the rest of the characters that bad?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 25, 2011, 10:33:21 PM
Can't speak for XIII, but XIII-2's (so far) don't seem all that interesting either.

Also Caius' full name is apparently Caius Ballad. Really, Square?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Cyril on November 25, 2011, 11:44:40 PM
Can I ask why everyone seems to love Sazh? Granted I hardly played any of FF13, I do plan on finishing it, but to me (from the intro) he seemed like stereotype.

Are the rest of the characters that bad?

I don't love him, but I enjoyed his character during the middle portions of the game where he's worried about his son and reminisces over what he could have done differently to save him.  By the end he was demoted to comic relief. 
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on November 26, 2011, 12:35:32 AM
I really liked Chocofro.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 26, 2011, 02:10:06 AM
Can I ask why everyone seems to love Sazh? Granted I hardly played any of FF13, I do plan on finishing it, but to me (from the intro) he seemed like stereotype.

Are the rest of the characters that bad?

I don't love him, but I enjoyed his character during the middle portions of the game where he's worried about his son and reminisces over what he could have done differently to save him.  By the end he was demoted to comic relief. 

Yeah, I think it's one of those, "it was the best among the worst".  Who else was going to be a character worth admiring?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on November 26, 2011, 07:26:51 AM
I dunno, the characters weren't that bad, not at all. Their dialog seemed pretty spot on, but it was marred by a terrible plot and the writer's unwillingness to let the player in on basic info that all the characters know. In that sense, the characters were realistic: if they all understand their world, it feels forced if they all start talking about it. But then it's the writer's job to figure out creative ways of letting the audience in on the things the characters know.

Sazh was fine, if a bit underused. Let's face it, FFXIII just really had a lack of character portrayal. I'd say what was there was good, but it only scratched the surface of who the characters really were. I feel like I got to know Lightning decently well, and there really doesn't seem to be much depth to Snow Jock anyway, but the others were really ignored. Like, I guess Sazh is supposed to be some master Airship pilot... who knew? It's suddenly mentioned off hand, towards the end, as if we were supposed to know this all along. But it just irritates me more than anything, because I SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THIS SHIT! There's very little impression we get of the characters outside of their immediate life & death struggle. What is Sazh like when he's not got a kidnapped kid and is about to die? What is Fang like when she doesn't have to kill hundreds of monsters? What is Hope like when he's not on some kind of blood-thirsty rampage?

My hope is that we get find out in the next game.

Once again, this is one reason I like FF8. As much as people like to bash it, I really feel like, by the end, I got to know the characters in their natural state, not just in the heat of conflict. FF9 too, FFXII in some cases. But this is where FF7, FFX, and FFXIII really fall short, you only get to know what a character is like when they're in action.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Cyril on November 26, 2011, 07:35:34 AM
That Sazh is an airship pilot is mentioned in the prologue booklet, which was, unfortunately, never released in English other than a fan translation.  Fortunately, at least we're (and by we, I mean "If you pre-order from Best Buy") getting the XIII-2 prologue booklet.

The prologue booklet actually helps alleviate your complaints a bit, actually.  It's written to show them as people and is surprisingly interesting.  Honestly, it's required reading for XIII, I don't know why SE decided not to release it in the west.

If you're interested in the fan translation of both the XIII prologue, and the XIII epilogue (which came with the Japanese 360 release), you can find them here:
http://dilly-shilly.blogspot.com/2009/10/final-fantasy-xiii-episode-zero.html
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 26, 2011, 08:01:40 AM
I dunno, the characters weren't that bad, not at all. Their dialog seemed pretty spot on, but it was marred by a terrible plot and the writer's unwillingness to let the player in on basic info that all the characters know. In that sense, the characters were realistic: if they all understand their world, it feels forced if they all start talking about it. But then it's the writer's job to figure out creative ways of letting the audience in on the things the characters know.

Sazh was fine, if a bit underused. Let's face it, FFXIII just really had a lack of character portrayal. I'd say what was there was good, but it only scratched the surface of who the characters really were. I feel like I got to know Lightning decently well, and there really doesn't seem to be much depth to Snow Jock anyway, but the others were really ignored. Like, I guess Sazh is supposed to be some master Airship pilot... who knew? It's suddenly mentioned off hand, towards the end, as if we were supposed to know this all along. But it just irritates me more than anything, because I SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THIS SHIT! There's very little impression we get of the characters outside of their immediate life & death struggle. What is Sazh like when he's not got a kidnapped kid and is about to die? What is Fang like when she doesn't have to kill hundreds of monsters? What is Hope like when he's not on some kind of blood-thirsty rampage?

My hope is that we get find out in the next game.

Once again, this is one reason I like FF8. As much as people like to bash it, I really feel like, by the end, I got to know the characters in their natural state, not just in the heat of conflict. FF9 too, FFXII in some cases. But this is where FF7, FFX, and FFXIII really fall short, you only get to know what a character is like when they're in action.


I agree with your first paragraph, people are way too harsh with this game. As for the rest, I've said this a thousand times, reading the episode 0 novel really helped, all those questions you ask in the second paragraph are answered there. I went into the game knowing the characters and knowing exactly what was going on in the story when the game started. I actually started playing already looking forward to what was going to happen next. It's a damn shame they didn't include it in the game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on November 27, 2011, 07:12:05 AM
We don't give a shit that you're into Serah dominating you in some kinky gay sex fantasy.

I CARE.

Back on topic so that KeeperX and Eusis don't get submissive and dominate me..

I think Final Fantasy XIII is the perfect example to show how even reputable (lol) high budget game developers in Japan are out of touch with what constitutes good story land writing. Are they just going to re-use the same cookie cutter 'quiet-but-cool' badass main character until they run out of business? Or the young and naive with a hidden power! The cliches are such bullshit.

Give gamers a Final Fantasy 6-style ensemble cast again.  Let me see an Alyx Vance or a April Ryan star in a JRPG. Let's see some Portal 2/Valve level writing in JRPGs. It sure as hell won't hurt them.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 27, 2011, 11:26:22 AM
Give gamers a Final Fantasy 6-style ensemble cast again.  Let me see an Alyx Vance or a April Ryan star in a JRPG. Let's see some Portal 2/Valve level writing in JRPGs. It sure as hell won't hurt them.


Now *that* would be nice.

FF13 folk's are walking emotions.

Lightning = Brooding
Fang = DOWN UNDA
Vanille = TEE HEE
Snow = Tenacity
Serah = Hope
Hope = Pussy

Please don't fuck this game up, Squeenix... you got a big enough grave you've dug already.

EDIT: A nuance; but does anyone get annoyed with the ages of some of these characters?  FFX and XIII made characters look a lot older than they are, IMO.  Wakka is 24 when he looks 30-something.  Hell, even Lightning looks 5 years older than she actually is; she looks late-20's than early 20's...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on November 27, 2011, 01:41:13 PM
EDIT: A nuance; but does anyone get annoyed with the ages of some of these characters?  FFX and XIII made characters look a lot older than they are, IMO.  Wakka is 24 when he looks 30-something.  Hell, even Lightning looks 5 years older than she actually is; she looks late-20's than early 20's...

That bothers me more because I dislike the whole obsession with underaged protagonists that Japan seems to have.  What the heck is wrong with having a character in his/her 30s...

Actually, they're more likely to stick in the wise old man stereotype than somebody middle aged.  It's like you're either 17 or 70...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 27, 2011, 03:53:17 PM


EDIT: A nuance; but does anyone get annoyed with the ages of some of these characters?  FFX and XIII made characters look a lot older than they are, IMO.  Wakka is 24 when he looks 30-something.  Hell, even Lightning looks 5 years older than she actually is; she looks late-20's than early 20's...

I'd rather have characters that look older than they are supposed to be than have characters look like children when the game tells me they're supposed to be 20.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on November 27, 2011, 03:58:58 PM
I'd rather have characters that look older than they are supposed to be than have characters look like children when the game tells me they're supposed to be 20.

Ditto. There's some variance for everyone though, both in reality and how they'd expect a character to look given their stated age, but you get extreme situations like Lucky Star that are just baffling.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on November 27, 2011, 04:17:13 PM
Their dialog seemed pretty spot on
Yeah, the other day my friend Bob turned to me and said "Beginning Operation NORA! Heroes don't need plans!" then rode on his motorcycle onto a building. Perfectly normal conversation and what normal people say.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on November 27, 2011, 05:35:24 PM
What the heck is wrong with having a character in his/her 30s.

My guess would be that they think someone younger will be more relatable to the jrpg crowd in Japan.  I don't think they have as many 20+ year olds gaming as other countries do. Just a guess.

And yeah, more adults in Jrpgs please.  Was one of the things that made Digital Devil Saga refreshing.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 27, 2011, 06:13:23 PM
I'd rather have characters that look older than they are supposed to be than have characters look like children when the game tells me they're supposed to be 20.

Yeah. It's a lot more unsettling when companies like Idea Factory tell us a character is 40 when she has the body of a ten year old at best.

And yeah, more adults in Jrpgs please.  Was one of the things that made Digital Devil Saga refreshing.

Pretty much. I wouldn't mind seeing more 20somethings even, but more 30somethings would be nice.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on November 27, 2011, 06:20:48 PM
UGH she may have the body of a LOLICON but she's an Onii who is 200 years old!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 29, 2011, 08:20:19 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/7mWwMl.jpg)

wut?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on November 29, 2011, 10:12:18 AM
I feel like I've seen that guy before.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 29, 2011, 11:16:59 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/7mWwMl.jpg)

wut?

Rather this than picking what mini-skirt for Serah to wear. :D
(I think I speak alone on that with a mostly male forum haha)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Chronix112 on November 29, 2011, 11:21:03 AM
UGH she may have the body of a LOLICON but she's an Onii who is 200 years old!
Suika is that you? :P
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 29, 2011, 11:51:05 AM

Rather this than picking what mini-skirt for Serah to wear. :D
(I think I speak alone on that with a mostly male forum haha)
Nah I'm with you there.

Noel may be no Ezio but I'd get it. Even if it might be weird to travel through time with.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on November 29, 2011, 03:16:17 PM
Will the Ezio costume be the only thing in the game that doesn't look ridiculous?

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 29, 2011, 03:19:07 PM
Probably. I don't like how Noel looks now. I think they revealed him at E3 and when I watched the demo I was like.... Is that a male Yuna?

Side note: There is going to be a Play Arts figure of the FFXIII-2 version of Lightning. Should be out sometime next month.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 29, 2011, 03:27:53 PM
Will the Ezio costume be the only thing in the game that doesn't look ridiculous?



I *kinda* like Noel's outfit for it's little cultural leap.  But yeah... the Ezio outfit is more badass than even Sazh's nest-fro. Dx

Side note: There is going to be a Play Arts figure of the FFXIII-2 version of Lightning. Should be out sometime next month.

I dunno... the PlayArts figures kinda look... crappy.  I'd actually have a legit figure in a static pose than the creepy action figure with the protruding joints.
(http://www.japanimation.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/0/9/09366j.jpg)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on November 29, 2011, 03:29:23 PM
I'd wear that sword as a necklace and call me Squall.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 29, 2011, 03:33:08 PM
That's the XIII version. I'll have to grab pics of the XIII-2 version when I'm not on my phone.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on November 29, 2011, 03:52:59 PM
Love that Ezio costume.I hate Noel already.Its a dilemma.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hidoshi on November 29, 2011, 03:58:33 PM
Y'know what this game is going to be? Terrible. Just like FFXIII was. Kitase, Nomura, and just about everyone making decisions on the series at this point need to be fired. In a kiln.

No amount of shitty Ezio costume DLC can change that.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Klyde Chroma on November 29, 2011, 04:18:55 PM
Y'know what this game is going to be? Terrible. Just like FFXIII was. Kitase, Nomura, and just about everyone making decisions on the series at this point need to be fired. In a kiln.

No amount of shitty Ezio costume DLC can change that.

Crossing Assassins creed and Final Fantasy in ANY respect is somehow extremely disheartening to me.... I feel as though it is foreshadowing for all this game will contain that will make me feel less and less that it is a Final Fantasy in any respect.... I can't really explain it.... I'm not bashing Assassins Creed, its just that in the universe of Final Fantasy there are things that should not be....
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on November 29, 2011, 04:41:30 PM
Will the Ezio costume be the only thing in the game that doesn't look ridiculous?

Probably the biggest reason to buy it! Except I'd keep thinking of Assassin's Creed, so that's probably not a good idea afterall.

Y'know what this game is going to be? Terrible. Just like FFXIII was. Kitase, Nomura, and just about everyone making decisions on the series at this point need to be fired. In a kiln.

No amount of shitty Ezio costume DLC can change that.

Ok. (http://www.1up.com/previews/final-fantasy-xiii-2-feels-game-you-wanted)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on November 29, 2011, 06:44:53 PM
As little confidence as I have in Squeenix these days; I doubt that even they could fuck this up as badly as they fucked up XIII-1 since I doubt that they need two tech demos of their new dev engine.

Plus Ezio screams DLC and that's what Squeenix is going to load this game down with to milk the most profit off of initial buyers.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on November 29, 2011, 06:57:52 PM
I'm not exactly wildly excited for the game or anything really, but I AM cautiously optimistic, leaning more toward optimistic there. But then I actually enjoyed FFXIII a good amount and my biggest issue, how hollow it felt, seems like it'll be well addressed, and I can barely give a fuck about a mainline FF story anymore so this being dumb is irrelevant. Just as long as it's BEARABLE or even somewhat entertaining to watch I'll be fine, and FFXIII succeeded well enough there. Certainly it wasn't SO4 again.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on November 29, 2011, 07:07:57 PM
Y'know what this game is going to be? Terrible. Just like FFXIII was. Kitase, Nomura, and just about everyone making decisions on the series at this point need to be fired. In a kiln.

No amount of shitty Ezio costume DLC can change that.

Crossing Assassins creed and Final Fantasy in ANY respect is somehow extremely disheartening to me.... I feel as though it is foreshadowing for all this game will contain that will make me feel less and less that it is a Final Fantasy in any respect.... I can't really explain it.... I'm not bashing Assassins Creed, its just that in the universe of Final Fantasy there are things that should not be....
They crossed Assassin's Creed with MGS4.

Anyway, I'm cautiously optimistic, like Eusis, but it'll take a lot for me to buy this at full price.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on November 29, 2011, 07:09:15 PM
Anyway, I'm cautiously optimistic, like Eusis, but it'll take a lot for me to buy this at full price.

It's taking a soundtrack for me. Except that isn't full price, it's $20 more.

(I'll also drop it VERY FAST if import impressions aren't as favorable as I'd like.)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on November 29, 2011, 08:10:08 PM
They crossed Assassin's Creed with MGS4.

I thought it was Peace Walker, where Snake did a leap of faith.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on November 29, 2011, 08:37:03 PM
MGS4 had an Altair costume for Snake, I think.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on November 29, 2011, 08:39:20 PM
Y'know what this game is going to be? Terrible. Just like FFXIII was. Kitase, Nomura, and just about everyone making decisions on the series at this point need to be fired. In a kiln.

No amount of shitty Ezio costume DLC can change that.

Crossing Assassins creed and Final Fantasy in ANY respect is somehow extremely disheartening to me.... I feel as though it is foreshadowing for all this game will contain that will make me feel less and less that it is a Final Fantasy in any respect.... I can't really explain it.... I'm not bashing Assassins Creed, its just that in the universe of Final Fantasy there are things that should not be....
They crossed Assassin's Creed with MGS4.

Anyway, I'm cautiously optimistic, like Eusis, but it'll take a lot for me to buy this at full price.

I saw UMvC3 in your games played list.  I hope you didn't pay full price for that shit =P
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on November 29, 2011, 08:43:30 PM
I paid $20, then sold the costume pack I got for $15 on eBay. So overall, $5. :P
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hidoshi on November 30, 2011, 01:18:58 AM
Y'know what this game is going to be? Terrible. Just like FFXIII was. Kitase, Nomura, and just about everyone making decisions on the series at this point need to be fired. In a kiln.

No amount of shitty Ezio costume DLC can change that.

Ok. (http://www.1up.com/previews/final-fantasy-xiii-2-feels-game-you-wanted)
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They opened with THIS: Final Fantasy XIII was not, despite the claims of many, a terrible game. In fact, it was pretty decent.

XIII was not a "decent" game, and the minute we stop accepting tripe like this is the same minute JRPGs can finally be good again (or the market caves, either would be preferable). It was a BAD game, and we shouldn't tolerate it just because of our affection for a brand. It had stupid dialogue, stupid characters, and stupid art direction. FFX was a DECENT game, but it was not GOOD, no matter how much the marketing has convinced the playerbase otherwise.


The fact is that our tastes can be brainwashed with enough marketing and companies know that. It's why we eat McDonalds food, despite it being abject garbage. It's why we don't demand standards in our everyday lives. FFXIII will be terrible because of the people behind it and the reasoning behind it. Being slightly better than FFXIII will not make it a good game. It's like accepting that $1.23 per litre of gas is somehow okay because $1.30 is the standard. That doesn't make it a good price.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on November 30, 2011, 01:23:41 AM
Why are you so convinced that anyone who likes a certain kind of game is 'brainwashed'? Maybe they just like the game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hidoshi on November 30, 2011, 01:35:22 AM
Because "liking" something is an unqualified statement even for the person who likes something. It's like having an uninformed, uneducated opinion: you can have it, but you're still [probably] wrong.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on November 30, 2011, 01:40:24 AM
That's absurd.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hidoshi on November 30, 2011, 01:50:48 AM
No, it's not. You can qualify what you like by acquiring a sense of taste. Marketing creates an image for a company, and in the world of consumer entertainment, that image is attached to cherished memories and the promise of a good time. But a consumer [including professional critics]  has an unspoken responsibility to other consumers and the industry; to give critical feedback so that the industry can improve its products.

Acquiring that sense of taste comes from consuming a variety of products, paying attention to strengths and flaws, and discussing the product both with themselves and with others independent of manufacturer influence. But that rarely happens now. Companies take steps to ensure their influence is felt at every level, and as constantly as possible. That's Marketing 101's logical trend. That's why consumer ignorance is at an all-time high, despite movements which encourage (and wind up influencing) a percentage of consumers to become informed.

With the people who've been at the helm of FFXIII, expecting XIII-2 to be any good would be like expecting a person who was supposed to make a beautiful fresco and returned with a stick figure in hand, to make a fresco the second time they were asked. You wouldn't trust a friend nor a contractor who fouled up their delivery so badly to get it right the next time, so why should anyone trust the people involved in FFXIII?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on November 30, 2011, 02:00:22 AM
Your implication that anyone who thinks FFXIII is a good, enjoyable game is 'uneducated' and 'uninformed' comes off as condescending at best and narcissistic at worst, especially with the underlying subtext (that being your taste is right while anyone who diverges from it is wrong). Your entire argument hinges on the assumption that FFXIII and FFX are, objectively, not good games, which cannot be proven empirically. That you make your own standard the control is the most ridiculous and egregious bias I have ever seen in any discourse.

I jumped on the FFXIII hate wagon early on, but I never begrudged anyone the right to liking it or thinking it's a good game, and I'm not about to put my personal standards and taste on a pedestal. The developers said they're taking fan feedback to improve the next game; fine, we'll see how that goes. You say you think it'll suck; fine, we'll see how that goes. Pulling out marketing 101 or whatever to try and prove that it'll suck is utter bullshit, and I'm boggled at this argument. It's insane. I don't even understand your reasoning here.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hidoshi on November 30, 2011, 02:08:45 AM
Okay then, so how DO you explain the fact that FFXIII-2 is so eagerly awaited by the FF fanbase despite it being an incredibly sloppy, amateurish game? It has TONS to do with marketing and it's effect on the consumer. It's why Xenosaga planned out its entire cast and aesthetic, it's marketing just wasn't as brand-powerful as FF's.

I'm not saying my standard is right for everyone, nor that it should be followed. What I AM pissed off at is the utter tastelessness we as consumers can exemplify when we anticipate products from untrustworthy manufacturers. Attachment to a brand name can cloud WAY too much of a person's judgement.

Liking something is completely legitimate, but it shouldn't be based on flat reactions. If there's no brainpower going into WHY, then you're acting on blind faith in your own pleasures; you're essentially liking something in an automatic fashion. 
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on November 30, 2011, 02:15:09 AM
Maybe they just all liked FFXIII enough that FFXIII-2 excites them. If your tastes differ from the masses then it just differs, there is no overarching sheep postulate or far-reaching conspiracy. Some people whine about Modern Warfare 3 getting more attention than it deserves but that doesn't change the fact that it's a good or even great game to many people. Just because you think FFXIII sucks (and trust me, I do too) doesn't change the fact that many more disagree.

The why of liking something is purely subjective. You can say anything and I can respond with "that's just stupid, your taste sucks," which is why this marketing hoo-hah just doesn't work. It's little more than a rage comic condemning the pointless 'idiocy of the masses' in prose form.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on November 30, 2011, 02:24:11 AM
Okay then, so how DO you explain the fact that FFXIII-2 is so eagerly awaited by the FF fanbase despite it being an incredibly sloppy, amateurish game?

Well let us at least play it I guess. Trade demos and brief clips aside...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hidoshi on November 30, 2011, 02:58:31 AM
TL;DR Summary

Basically, marketing does have immense effect on our personal choices, not because of the individual's own express faults, but because without leadership or social contract, we are subject to social fears and react based on them. And marketing is very closely monitored by large corporations and advertising firms. I should know, I've worked in several.

* * *

The subjectivity argument only goes so far dude. Yes, taste is partially subjective as far as the practical use of that word goes, but you can still acquire objective forms of inquiry and data. The first line of defence a person has towards herd instincts is knowledge and the will to express it. Because subjectivity is so complex, you can't use it as a blanket statement. You also can't assume that marketing has nothing to do with it. How often does a psyche test come back positive that marketing has an effect on buyer decisions? Too often. It's why there's a philosophy of marketing, why some marketing helps a product skyrocket, while other forms can make it plummet. Assuming that marketing has no effect on consumer decisions is just plain ignorant.

Marketing has one tremendous effect, and it isn't on the individual. It's on the mass. Marketing, done right, sounds like popular opinion, and we respond instinctively to that. As a result, even people who disagree with something often won't voice their complaint if they think they're alone. They also won't take action because of the bystander effect. The task of marketing (and this is from having worked in advertising at Proctor & Gamble) is not to tell the customer what to buy, but to influence what they think their friends like.

Consider this: When Crest first began marketing toothpaste, their original ad was to have a kid rush in, disturb his mother's dinner party, and hold up the Crest tube saying "Hey Ma, no cavities!". The ad was a disastrous flop, and Crest almost didn't make it. They pulled in a marketing specialist who retooled the ad. It ran again, eight months later (the inside limit on public memory), with two important changes. First, the kid came in excited, but waited on his mother to finish her chat with her friends, before uttering a slightly changed tagline: "Look ma, no cavities!"

Colgate had, prior to this, a 70% market share. Crest, after two months of running that ad, went from less than 1% to nearly 30%. Colgate lost their stranglehold, and Crest has been a fierce competitor ever since.

The ad showed an understanding of two things. One, marketing has to interact with social mores and expectations. Not fulfill, but interact. In this case, the ad worked better because it appealed to a sense of parental hierarchy. Secondly, it made the tagline more effective by using a "call to action", which coupled a physical quality with the product.

Now, that was back in the 50s, and they retooled this ad time and again through Benton & Bowles advertising, the people they had contracted from. It built their brand up until that kind of ad became passé.

Advertising has grown far more sophisticated since then. Marketing has used viral methods to get inside just about every corner of society, from the way we express ourselves in everyday language (look at how Kleenex is often used as a name-replacement for "tissue"), to the way we think about certain forms of media (music is considered a cheap, consumable nugget as opposed to a long art form as it was prior to the 1920s).

If you don't think marketing has anything to do with it, let's look at how the industry is couched. The "moé" phenomenon has been growing stronger and stronger, and is frequently pushed. Moé is, in itself, a marketing angle, because it appeals instinctively to certain masculine (though not necessarily male) ideas about sexuality, protectiveness, and vulnerability. Series which contain moé are wildly popular with a large number of consumers, despite having throwaway plots and easily cloned characters. Moé was extracted as an idea from research the anime industry had done into the lolita idea, and sexual tastes inherent in that small portion of the fanbase.

In that time, there's been a steady build in moé, starting innocently enough with an influx of female "types", testing the waters to see which ones appealed to which crowd more. Heck, Kyoto Animation even built a series mocking and representing the issue in Lucky Star. Once moé had been tested, they then began to make moé more and more explicitly sexual and marketed, with explicit model sculpts, artbooks, and much more flooding the marketing once it was widely acceptable for any geek to like moé.

The point was to push that acceptability by testing reaction and pressing the issue slowly, until at last it was accepted.

The same thing occurred in Square-Enix's own products. FFX was marketed in a far, far different way than any of its predecessors. Instead of building a classic fantasy with Shakespearean and/or Greek tragicomedic trappings, they decided that doing market research on the youth was more to their advantage. And fairly so. When you begin this kind of process, you react to what's available. But somewhere along the line, the company also sacrificed the essence of the series past. Now, that was clearly intentional; all of the press releases, interviews, and other media said that rather explicitly. Once finished with FFIX and hailing the past, X was going to look to the future, and not just thematically.

They went too far with FFX-2, however, because general social feeling wasn't that strong towards the brand they were pushing. Yet if you look at how FFXIII played out, it has a lot of the same directorial and production cues used in FFX-2. From the way characters move to large parts of the aesthetic direction (lots of frilly weapons, curving patterns on clothes, and immaculately complexioned teenagers), the only thing really original in FFXIII was Sahz, and even he didn't have a huge part in the overall story. Why? Because the FF team is looking at younger teenagers as their most influenced group. Why did FFXII meet with such split opinion? Because we had been distanced to its style of storytelling and aesthetic. If it had come out in the PSX era, or even the early PS2 era, it would have been fine. But marketing and social trends had changed. Its characters and story are no worse than those found in FFXIII (I would go as far to say they're worlds better), but fewer people responded to them because of affiliation between expectation and brand.

It's purely magical thinking to believe that tastes are just tastes, independent of marketing. I'm not suggesting a far-reaching conspiracy; these companies don't all talk to each other to achieve the common goal of brainwashing the public -- but they do, at a certain level of corporation -- share a very strong tradition in marketing. People have natural weaknesses to certain instinctual pressures. It does tie in with the postulate that a person is smart, and people are stupid. But I would qualify it that people aren't really stupid. They react to their social fears when no social contract of explicit behaviour is provided, or no leader is present. In the end, it's why we practice so much escapism, because of how complicated that is to deal with.

Okay then, so how DO you explain the fact that FFXIII-2 is so eagerly awaited by the FF fanbase despite it being an incredibly sloppy, amateurish game?

Well let us at least play it I guess. Trade demos and brief clips aside...

I, sir, will not stop you. And when the game is released, I fully expect people to enjoy it. Buyer's remorse generally only sets in far, far later, and the public is slow to acknowledge poor choices. Look at James Cameron's Avatar. Hailed as a masterpiece of cinema by the general public at release (even by a large portion of critics), but objectively a shallow, hackneyed piece of eye candy. Whether or not you liked it I hope is mitigated by your experience with movies and the value you place on good storytelling and cinema.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on November 30, 2011, 03:06:08 AM
People used to pay top dollar for pet rocks.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on November 30, 2011, 11:28:29 AM
So uh, as part of the 5% who liked FF13, WTF happened to Serah and Snow's relationship? It's like they're ruining everything I liked about 13's plot and cast.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on November 30, 2011, 11:40:39 AM
@Hidoshi
Well, regardless of what was all that geared to I will personally thank you for the great read. I liked your take on the subjective view of things and objective.

Going a little of of wha you said but let's take FFX for example. Even it being somewhat different from the previous games people, for the most part, liked it a lot, so what I can't see is what could others have done so wrong to garner some hate.

I personally can find stuff I didn't like in all FFs past X, some having more things, some less, but in all I think they were at least good.

I can't say I completely agree with the "trend" argument but I can see the logic behind it.
One example I can think of is that I didn't like much XII because it had way too much grind, almost to the point of an MMO. A friend of mine on the other hand, complained that the spells were useless and looked like crap.
We both liked a lot VII and VIII but it wasn't the way companies were pushing things that made us have complains about the game, it was just some design choices that bothered us way too much.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: CDFN on November 30, 2011, 03:53:27 PM
SE has been updating the soundtrack samples on the official site and it sounds like it might be even better than the first, lots of fantastic music.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on November 30, 2011, 04:52:06 PM
That's not exactly hard.

But you're right, the music sounds a lot better, seems like Hamauzu just needed to get into the swing of things. Hope the music will get better in the other tracks too.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on November 30, 2011, 06:42:49 PM
13's OST was great, though.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 30, 2011, 06:49:25 PM
13's OST was great, though.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on November 30, 2011, 07:01:06 PM
I dunno, it just seemed really, really generic to me. The only tracked I liked is the boss theme and the only ones I remember are the battle themes, and I played the game for 80 hours.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on November 30, 2011, 07:21:35 PM
I dunno, it just seemed really, really generic to me. The only tracked I liked is the boss theme and the only ones I remember are the battle themes, and I played the game for 80 hours.

I dunno... to make *every*track*gold* is a damned near impossible thing to do on OSTs even 1 or 2 CDs long -- this one spans 4.

Sometimes you're going to get crappy event themes meant to sound horrific to express the feeling of the even going on.  Some of the locations could have been a bit better, but some are just as amazing (Fang/Vanille's snowy town area, forgot what it's called..whatev, this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q3tKL2mRl4)).  The character themes are quite strong, and the battles are really exciting.  Hell, some Zelda and FF tracks suck, but it doesn't mean the whole of it is bad.

Obviously, nothing will get in the way of personal preference.  I don't know if I've bragged enough here how much I like Motoi Sakuraba, the one in the same who inspired "hate" in a lot of others.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: beLIEve? on November 30, 2011, 09:44:44 PM
read this thread from beginning to end today. quite a few lol's were had.

when i think of ff13 i think of crystal pepsi or coke two. it might've been more palatable had it not been associated with the brand. i think of dragon age one and two as well.

i guess for me, i think i like what i think they were trying to do but i'm not real happy with the result. the biggest disconnect for me was the battle system. i thought i'd like the faster pace. i thought that might make it more engaging. it didn't really have that effect on me though. when i first heard about it i was under the impression that it wasn't going to be as big of a departure from series. i figured it'd be like ff12, 10 or 10-2 in that if they messed around with things it'd still be tolerable. those were my only points of comparison. i kinda feel like they were trying to get an actiony feel from a menu based system. for a franchise that was built on turn based that frenetic pace just didn't sit right. i felt like i was pushing buttons fast for very little control and really the same old strategy every time. it didn't do anything for me.
  the story and characters would've had to do overtime to make up for game play i felt was lacking depth. but the story asks me to suspend disbelief too much in the sense that the tropes were laid on so thick i didn't really relate to any one of them. that and the fact the story just kept pushing you along into battle after battle on a system that wasn't super engaging kinda did me in early. by the time i got to gran pulse i didn't really care anymore. the linear dungeons and lack of towns/shops and exploration was just further alienation from franchise staples.

  now all that said i can't really imagine 13-2 being any better without an amazing overhaul and i really can't see that happening. i'll wait for 15 and hope for the best.


Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hidoshi on November 30, 2011, 10:02:11 PM
I dunno, it just seemed really, really generic to me. The only tracked I liked is the boss theme and the only ones I remember are the battle themes, and I played the game for 80 20 hours.

We agree on something.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 01, 2011, 05:59:30 AM
from page 3.

Trailer was a gigantic yawn.  I expect FFXIII-2 to go something like this:

DADS ARE TOUGH
I WONT BE BOUND BY DESTINY
I WILL BE THE HERO MY DESTINY MAKES ME
STOP IT YOU CANT DO THAT
WE ARE THE HEROES

*combat*

36
39
*paradigm shift*
43
44
*paradigm shift*
52
54
*paradigm shift*
68
75
*paradigm shift*
91
104
*paradigm shift*
124
145
*paradigm shift*
162
171

BREAK

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58798471
61753218
62897414
64871429
65080949
67807097
68897914
70412707
71094870
73210098
76089723
85417012

*king behemoth dies*

WE DID IT
YEAH NO PROBLEM
GO TEAM

*credits*


GOTY2011

Type-0 better be damn good since is pretty much the last Final Fantasy thing I'll be interesed and if XIII-2 is just like Parn so cleverly said in his post I... I will do nothing really. I'm not even going to buy the game.

*shrugs*
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on December 01, 2011, 11:36:21 AM
I dunno, it just seemed really, really generic to me. The only tracked I liked is the boss theme and the only ones I remember are the battle themes, and I played the game for 80 hours.

Serah's theme and the forest come to mind.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on December 01, 2011, 12:21:41 PM
Based on my experience at PAX there was one thing that greatly improved the battle system for me:  In the new encounter system in XIII-2 it was really, really easy to get a preemptive attack everytime, starting your enemies in break status.  This in turn made the encounters with regular enemies much shorter so the fights didn't drag on and on like in XIII.   Of course, it also eliminated any challenge...oh well.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Marshmallow on December 01, 2011, 10:02:46 PM
What the hell is Snow doing in battle if he doesn't join the damn party? C'mon Square, why can't you make the stupid monster party members optional and give us more than two damn permanent characters.

I'll get this game when it bargain bins, like I should have with FFXIII.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on December 01, 2011, 10:09:21 PM
I don't know what to think of the battles, since I didn't spend a fair amount of time with XIII. I do know that the music gets stuck in my head each time without fail. At least it's not annoying though..

Battle system videos, in case anyone missed:

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2011/2492.html
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2011/2486.html
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on December 01, 2011, 11:17:21 PM
I dunno, it just seemed really, really generic to me. The only tracked I liked is the boss theme and the only ones I remember are the battle themes, and I played the game for 80 hours.

Serah's theme and the forest come to mind.

I was always more partial to this track:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjeNuclVuHU

...particularly when the vocals kick in.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on December 02, 2011, 02:33:02 AM
What the hell is Snow doing in battle if he doesn't join the damn party? C'mon Square, why can't you make the stupid monster party members optional and give us more than two damn permanent characters.

I'll get this game when it bargain bins, like I should have with FFXIII.

He's just pulling what ToS's veteran cast members did in ToS2:DotNW. Take up party space, be irrelevant, yet not be as irrelevant as whatever else you're putting in that slot.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on December 02, 2011, 09:18:07 AM
I watched the "Enhance Battle Trailer" on GT. I 'love' how apparently the new word for quick time events is now 'Cinematic Gameplay'. *rolls eyes*

Totally passing now. If I want QTE in a Boss Battle I'll pick up Resi 4 or 5 again.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Richardbro on December 05, 2011, 12:36:36 PM
I think I might be in the minority (maybe not here on RPGfan), but I loved 13 and I've been playing Final Fantasy since 4 on the SNES.

It had everything I could ask for in a next gen RPG. Brilliant OST, beautiful visual design, great battle system, engaging story, good flow, etc.

FF 13-2 is looking to be a step up from its prequel. Although, I am a bit skeptical about the monster - party member system in this game, seeing as how it wasn't successful in Tales of Symphonia 2 for Wii, as others have stated in this thread.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on December 05, 2011, 12:41:09 PM
I watched the "Enhance Battle Trailer" on GT. I 'love' how apparently the new word for quick time events is now 'Cinematic Gameplay'. *rolls eyes*

Totally passing now. If I want QTE in a Boss Battle I'll pick up Resi 4 or 5 again.

I don't mind a well placed QTE but having "CINEMATIC GAMEPLAY" in the corner of the screen ruins it. Do they think we're idiots and can't figure it out? Probably.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 05, 2011, 12:51:11 PM
Seeing as how I am the only person at my EBGames who is *willing* to give this game a second chance... I get so embarrassed when the trailer comes on...!! >_<

"You can't protect anyone, you can't even protect yourself!!!!"
"NOOOEEEL"
"LIIIGHTNIIIING"

It's got some sappy Celine Dion-like ballad going on in the back too.  I question: would I rather watch this for an hour, or MTV's The Real World?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on December 05, 2011, 12:58:47 PM
"...when RPG gamers stop being polite and start getting REAL
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 05, 2011, 01:01:52 PM
"...when RPG gamers stop being polite and start getting REAL

... ... ...qu'est-ce que c'est?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on December 05, 2011, 01:19:11 PM
I don't mind a well placed QTE but having "CINEMATIC GAMEPLAY" in the corner of the screen ruins it. Do they think we're idiots and can't figure it out? Probably.

Er, wasn't that just part of the trailer?  I don't think the actual game does that...at least I don't remember seeing anything like that when I played it at PAX (which had a QTE segment).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on December 05, 2011, 01:23:01 PM
Since I haven't played it I couldn't tell ya, but it looked like part of the on screen display. I could be wrong, but at the same time I don't doubt they'd do that.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on December 05, 2011, 02:34:53 PM
In screens where Noel and Lightning are each doing what looks like a QTE, it says CINEMATIC ACTION. See:

http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/Final_Fantasy_XIII-2/ss-080.jpg
http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/Final_Fantasy_XIII-2/ss-079.jpg

I guess they've changed it to GAMEPLAY since. Since they're in screenshots I assume it's really on the screen during the game. We played it at E3, but I... honestly don't remember what the screen said at the time.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: OkamiGeisha on December 05, 2011, 02:37:31 PM
For anyone who's played it or watched all the clips.. Can you recruit chocobos to your party and if so, are they very useful?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on December 05, 2011, 07:56:50 PM
Does Snow count?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 05, 2011, 07:59:24 PM
For anyone who's played it or watched all the clips.. Can you recruit chocobos to your party and if so, are they very useful?

Hey!  Chocometeor! =D
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on December 05, 2011, 11:37:10 PM
Im gonna go play FF9. Never played it and I need something good to wash the last ten years of bad Final Fantasy games out of my mouth.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on December 06, 2011, 01:06:13 AM
They said Chocobos can be one of your party monsters, yeah. I don't think we had ANY monster party members in the E3 demo.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on December 06, 2011, 09:51:01 PM
They said Chocobos can be one of your party monsters, yeah. I don't think we had ANY monster party members in the E3 demo.

Chocobos would be great as party members but if it were up to me I'd like to have red, black or even golden Chocobos in my party, doing massive amounts of damage, especially if they were overpowered like they were in FFXII.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 06, 2011, 09:51:59 PM
FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 receives high marks in Dengeki PlayStation:

This week’s Dengeki PlayStation once again has coverage on FINAL FANTASY XIII-2.

The good news is, the magazine has published their review. Dengeki typically has four reviews each score out of 100. While those numbers have yet to leak, we do know that the game has received an "S" rank, or the highest possible ranking given by the outlet.

The magazine has some other bits, including the possibility of characters like Sazh coming later on as DLC. The game's developers are quoted as saying, "FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 will continue after release."

Those who have a FINAL FANTASY XIII save file will be able to obtain an item that grants extra luck in the casino.

We'll have more as it comes in.


Source: novacrystallis.com (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=2329) (Via 2ch)

And FFXIII-2 scores 40/40 in Famitsu (http://www.novacrystallis.com/?p=2339).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 06, 2011, 11:26:42 PM
Famitsu gave FF13 a 39/40...  unless a 39 is a C+, and the 40 jumps it to A ... caution will be taken.  I really wanted this game, oddly enough, the MTV-drama trailers are embarassing me out of my choice to be a "wait till price cut...-s"
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on December 06, 2011, 11:30:37 PM
I wouldn't take Famitsu seriously anyway. Even if they're not bribed they're probably too polite/considerate of the feelings of developers to have the nerve to pan the games or even give them a slightly lower score. I'll take import impressions MUCH more seriously.

... Doesn't help we haven't seen WHY they think it's 40/40 yet.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 07, 2011, 12:15:38 AM
FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 Historia Crux & Field (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqAMEpEnEfY&hd=1)

I haven't really followed this game too closely but is that song from the game?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on December 07, 2011, 03:14:46 AM
Famitsu gave FF13 a 39/40... 

According to Andriasang it's 40/40, actually.  Where did you get that number?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on December 07, 2011, 03:17:18 AM
Famitsu gave FF13 a 39/40... 

According to Andriasang it's 40/40, actually.  Where did you get that number?

You're thinking FFXIII-2. There was quite a bit of commotion over the 39/40 for FFXIII, though with the way Famitsu is now that actually seemed to mean something unlike, say, 8.8 for Zelda TP.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on December 07, 2011, 03:28:26 AM
Famitsu gave FF13 a 39/40... 

According to Andriasang it's 40/40, actually.  Where did you get that number?

You're thinking FFXIII-2. There was quite a bit of commotion over the 39/40 for FFXIII, though with the way Famitsu is now that actually seemed to mean something unlike, say, 8.8 for Zelda TP.

D'oh...need to work on my reading comprehension.

But yeah, anyway, apparently Famitsu gave FFXIII-2 a 40/40.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on December 09, 2011, 08:57:21 PM
Humans aren't strong... they die easy.
Don't ever lay down.. and wait to die!

fuck my life
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: OkamiGeisha on December 12, 2011, 03:01:18 PM
They said Chocobos can be one of your party monsters, yeah. I don't think we had ANY monster party members in the E3 demo.

Thanks!  I love it.  Chocos rule.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 13, 2011, 06:42:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4&feature=player_embedded

This is apparently the chocobo theme if you can believe that...

EDIT: Scratch that, this is, most likely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFhy6n4R4I4

At least I hope it is, that other song's just awful IMHO. Totally kills my ears.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hidoshi on December 13, 2011, 06:48:37 PM
Famitsu is the OPPOSITE of an indicator of quality.

As a publication, it's comparable to having your mom grade your artwork. You'll always be a winner in her eyes. Even if, in reality, you are total shite at what you do.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on December 13, 2011, 06:53:56 PM
Famitsu is the OPPOSITE of an indicator of quality.

As a publication, it's comparable to having your mom grade your artwork. You'll always be a winner in her eyes. Even if, in reality, you are total shite at what you do.

I think it MAY mean that whatever kept them from giving a 40/40 before has been successfully addressed, and thus it'll be better... but by how much? I'm waiting on import impressions, because otherwise you're right about how Famitsu reviews. (http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8024624&publicUserId=4549175)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hidoshi on December 13, 2011, 07:06:50 PM
I'm confused. That linked to some dude talking about Blue Dragon's manga.

Famitsu is basically the National Enquirer of gaming. Bat + Sewing + Penis = Awesome News Item.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on December 13, 2011, 10:14:04 PM
I'm confused. That linked to some dude talking about Blue Dragon's manga.

You need to go down to the fourth paragraph, here's the relevant bit:

Quote
When Endo had put the finishing touches on beating the game, I asked him what he'd give it. In typical Famitsu-esque manner, he said he'd give it an 8 out of 10. I was aghast, after listening to how bored he was the whole time. He asked me if that wasn't a good score. I said "No, it's a very good score, but that's the problem!" In Japan, even if the game sucks, they'll still give a game like Blue Dragon a 10, 10, 9, and 9 in Famitsu either because they want to support Mistwalker's efforts, or don't want to offend their friends.

Also, Chocobo theme in FFXIII-2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4). I, uhhh, wow.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 13, 2011, 10:21:05 PM

Also, Chocobo theme in FFXIII-2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4). I, uhhh, wow.

I'm happy to burst your bubble; there are three Choco tunes.  "Crazy", is sadly one of then, but "Groove" and "Rodeo" are the other two.

C'mon, don't hate, we all now how embarassing the Japanese love being. :P
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lucca on December 13, 2011, 10:41:01 PM

Also, Chocobo theme in FFXIII-2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4). I, uhhh, wow.

I'm happy to burst your bubble; there are three Choco tunes.  "Crazy", is sadly one of then, but "Groove" and "Rodeo" are the other two.

C'mon, don't hate, we all now how embarassing the Japanese love being. :P

Thank god there's 2 more chocobo songs, because the hardcore one is...just...NGH. I didn't know a song could physically hurt me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on December 13, 2011, 11:19:17 PM
I listened to the whole OST today. I can't get the battle theme out of my head. It's so gorgeous. Definitely my favorite FF OST right now.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 14, 2011, 01:08:17 AM
Also, Chocobo theme in FFXIII-2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4). I, uhhh, wow.

Holy shit... holy shit. What was that? D:
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on December 14, 2011, 01:11:10 AM
God this game gets worst and worst. Its amazing how brand name and a budget can keep such a shitty company afloat for so long.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 14, 2011, 01:32:18 AM
The best thing about the release of XIII-2 is that we are gonna start to hear more about Versus XIII. Can't wait to see more pretty trailers from that game, the last one was awesome.

I don't even have high hopes for it anymore but I am curious to know in what they have been working all these years. I do know that the story is suppose to be really tragic but after Nier... yeah, I don't know.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on December 14, 2011, 01:37:17 AM
I actually like that goofy song. It's what I think stuff from Japan should be, self-mocking and over the top. On the other hand if that's used more than once in the game then it sux
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on December 14, 2011, 02:09:21 AM
I actually like that goofy song. It's what I think stuff from Japan should be, self-mocking and over the top. On the other hand if that's used more than once in the game then it sux

For the parody to exist, there needs to be original work first. Something can only parody itself so many times before it self-combusts into a smoldering heap.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on December 14, 2011, 02:13:27 AM
That made me chortle.

You're going to be one jolly ole monk aren't ya
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 14, 2011, 02:25:50 AM
I think the game[play] looks pretty stellar so far.  I'm probably gonna tune out every cutscene... or watch it only to end up curdled up like Steven Hawking and drooling at the mouth.  But gameplay wise, everything looks pretty oh-kei to me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hidoshi on December 14, 2011, 02:26:21 AM
Final Fantasy XIII-2, much like XIII, is going to be a smouldering pile of shite.

Please Square-Enix, prove me wrong.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on December 14, 2011, 02:45:33 AM
I actually like that goofy song. It's what I think stuff from Japan should be, self-mocking and over the top. On the other hand if that's used more than once in the game then it sux
That's why I like it. It's so WTF worthy it's amusing.

I just want to play as Lightning in that badass Bahamut Chaos or whatever fight.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hathen on December 14, 2011, 08:48:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4&feature=player_embedded

This is apparently the chocobo theme if you can believe that...

EDIT: Scratch that, this is, most likely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFhy6n4R4I4

At least I hope it is, that other song's just awful IMHO. Totally kills my ears.

Holy jesus, both songs are horrible.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on December 14, 2011, 11:25:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4&feature=player_embedded

This is apparently the chocobo theme if you can believe that...

EDIT: Scratch that, this is, most likely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFhy6n4R4I4

At least I hope it is, that other song's just awful IMHO. Totally kills my ears.

Holy jesus, both songs are horrible.

Meanwhile in Nobuoland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOJuMhtH9ZQ
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 14, 2011, 01:52:32 PM
The rest of the OST so far has been pretty nice, I did a youtube tour of it.
I can't say I care for the vocal tracks, but even the good ones from The World Ends With You didn't sit well with me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on December 14, 2011, 03:15:03 PM


Meanwhile in Nobuoland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOJuMhtH9ZQ


groovy choco > whatever that crap is
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: GrimReality on December 14, 2011, 04:06:46 PM


Meanwhile in Nobuoland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOJuMhtH9ZQ


groovy choco > whatever that crap is
That metal chocobo song sucks balls, but I kinda dig the groovy one.
I also love this Last Story music. You may not like that kind of music for normal listening, Yoda, but it will work perfectly for a title or ending theme. Or even some emotional moment in the story. It's very pretty.

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hathen on December 14, 2011, 04:43:16 PM
The metal chocobo song seems more like something found in a parody than what should be found in the actual game.

My problem with the groovy one is that it's too high-pitched and chaotic. It's sounds like something Prokofiev would create if he downed a case of 5-hour energy shots.

A couple of the other songs I checked out seemed pretty good though.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on December 14, 2011, 05:26:58 PM
I was kind of hoping that their solution to FFXIIIs lack of player interaction in battles would be giving the player more control (over all the characters), instead they opted for QTEs... What happened to the Square from the PSO era, the guys that made games like Chrono Cross, Xenogears and FFVII - IX (yes, VIII wasn't exactly stellar at the time, but it was a masterpiece compared to the stuff they make now). I could smell something was wrong when FFX came out, it was a decent game but there ware already signs of things going off the rails. The ironic thing is that going OFF the rails actually meant putting the game ON rails. It already had some of the symptoms that ended up plaguing XIII but at the very least X had a decent battle system.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on December 14, 2011, 05:28:19 PM
I actually like that goofy song. It's what I think stuff from Japan should be, self-mocking and over the top. On the other hand if that's used more than once in the game then it sux

I doubt it's self-mocking.  I'm sure some people from SE listened to it and thought that people are going to eat that shit up.  It's so bad it's funny.


God this game gets worst and worst. Its amazing how brand name and a budget can keep such a shitty company afloat for so long.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on December 14, 2011, 06:25:46 PM
Just finished watching some live-streams and the game is looking really good. The environments are more like your typical FF game rather then super corridors of FFXIII. All the new additions to the battle system work well so far while still retaining FFXIII's core aspects. The most interesting in particular being Blood Damage makes the game more challenging without having needing "Party Leader Death" that quite a few RPGs use nowadays and Syncho Drive/Feral Links are your basic old-school limit-breaks which is always welcome. The Monster System seems solid too with lots of variety in terms of stats and abilities, looks like it can get pretty addicting. I would like to see more usage of the Paradigm-Tune though.

OST is pretty fantastic overall too and really works well in the game. Outside the character designs which may, or may not appeal to everyone I don't really see what to hate here.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 14, 2011, 06:27:58 PM
Can you put the link of the live stream, please? I love me some live streams.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Iron Maw on December 14, 2011, 07:30:51 PM
None are on right now, but keep an eye out at these places:

http://ja.twitch.tv/teakdoc
http://www.twitch.tv/leta_jp
http://www.twitch.tv/cslalan1985
http://ja.twitch.tv/links_ishioka

BTW, Omega screens and details:
http://andriasang.com/comzd0/ffxiii2_omega/
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on December 14, 2011, 07:35:18 PM
I don't intend to watch the game at length (I may be an anomaly in this day and age though), I just want to wait for someone to beat the game or get 10-20+ hours in then write what they think of it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 15, 2011, 02:02:29 AM
With some exceptions that are arguable and very subjective this game looks exactly the same as XIII, if that's a good or bad thing depends on you.

The soundtrack totally caught me off guard with those terrible tracks though (I mean seriously, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnZF0N64RRo) sounds like a really bad remix for a modern Sonic game). Haven't listened the whole thing but so far for me the real deal with this game is with the music, I always liked that aspect of the series more than anything else so it will be fun listening to it and reading reviews about it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 15, 2011, 10:33:45 AM
Its easy to point out the crap songs than the easy ones.  For the most part, I find it an okay soundtrack otherwise aside from (like I said) some vocal tracks (I don't know.... I don't like Japanese singing in English when it really sounds like a struggle to get it out there.  The P3/4 OSTs make me sad after a while... actually, I think we have Origa on there: y'know, loveable Russian songstress who did the Ghost in the Shell animes).

I think the fact Omega is in the game is beyond awesome. x)
I get extremely nostalgic with the FFV version... hard ass motherfu*ker...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on December 15, 2011, 05:02:11 PM
So yeah, I've been paying almost zero attention to this game for the longest time, but I just found out it has towns, mini-games, dialogue choices that are actually worth something, and multiple endings. I think I may actually like this game, provided the monster-raising and randomish encounters don't grate on my nerves too much.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 16, 2011, 12:30:07 AM
So yeah, I've been paying almost zero attention to this game for the longest time, but I just found out it has towns, mini-games, dialogue choices that are actually worth something, and multiple endings. I think I may actually like this game, provided the monster-raising and randomish encounters don't grate on my nerves too much.

I want an ending where Serah dies.  But I'll settle on her having an affair with Noel, since I think Snow is ass, and because it shows Squeenix has some balls.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on December 16, 2011, 03:54:47 AM
Apparently the ending for FFXIII-2 is really, REALLY bad, and pushes the idea of another sequel...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 16, 2011, 04:28:45 AM
It can't be as bad as the one from The 3rd Birthday.

...right? ._.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on December 16, 2011, 05:39:36 AM
I dunno man, this is just what 2ch is saying.

There's already talks of XIII-3.. sigh

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 16, 2011, 01:34:02 PM
Apparently the ending for FFXIII-2 is really, REALLY bad, and pushes the idea of another sequel...

I just skimmed through the ending.  It explicitly says: To Be Continued. 

*groan*  That was pretty ballsy of them.

More importantly, it BETTER FUCKING COME OUT AFTER VERSUS. >=(
Or they're just gonna cancel it's production.  I'm feeling it now. x(
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Chronix112 on December 16, 2011, 02:10:07 PM
Really, another sequel? I guess square was  not kidding when they said they were going to whore out Fabula Nova Crystallis
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: OkamiGeisha on December 16, 2011, 02:11:45 PM
The Monster System seems solid too with lots of variety in terms of stats and abilities, looks like it can get pretty addicting.


That new video look amazing!  Just watching the chocobo get mad..
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 16, 2011, 02:17:42 PM
Really, another sequel? I guess square was  not kidding when they said they were going to whore out Fabula Nova Crystallis

Mm.  You'll never see me complain about a sequel if the game is good.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on December 16, 2011, 03:51:21 PM
Didn't they say that FFXIII-2 had multiple endings?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on December 16, 2011, 03:52:32 PM
Really, another sequel? I guess square was  not kidding when they said they were going to whore out Fabula Nova Crystallis

Mm.  You'll never see me complain about a sequel if the game is good.

At least it seems FF13-x has nowhere to go but up!
EXCELSIOR!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on December 16, 2011, 03:55:56 PM
Really, another sequel? I guess square was  not kidding when they said they were going to whore out Fabula Nova Crystallis

Mm.  You'll never see me complain about a sequel if the game is good.

I'm with on that!
At least they should promise to not bring Snow back. Maybe make Lightning a main character again.

On the ending, even though I haven't seen it, even if it is crappy I don't think it should ruin the plot if it is overall good.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 16, 2011, 04:08:29 PM
Really, another sequel? I guess square was  not kidding when they said they were going to whore out Fabula Nova Crystallis

Mm.  You'll never see me complain about a sequel if the game is good.

Thing is that for all the things they fix it still looks like XIII but with more stuff and polished, that's why I said that is arguable how enjoyable this might end up being.

Right now though I don't know what to think of the game honestly.

Didn't they say that FFXIII-2 had multiple endings?

They did? I've never saw an article in Siliconera or Andriasang about that, weird. But if it has it would make sense giving the fact that XIII-2 has time travel and all that.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 16, 2011, 04:09:37 PM
I hate people commenting to that effect already though.  WORST ENDEING EVARRR....! D,:
Who cares.  A good game is all I need.  Most game endings tend to disappoint.


Didn't they say that FFXIII-2 had multiple endings?

I *think* what it does is open certain game parts (perhaps ending-like, on just "conclusions").  Not necessarily a new ending.  Like I said... it explicitly says, before credits roll, To Be Continued.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on December 16, 2011, 04:17:35 PM
I guess they want to take a shot at a continuity for once, what I don't get is why they chose to continue a word that so many people hated. TBC endings are terrible, if I play through a game I want to wrap up a story, not see it grind to a halt "half way" through.
My take on these things is simple:
Having likeable characters come back for another adventure = good.
Having a game end in the middle of the story = bad.
There are a few games that manage to get away with it, most notably Mass Effect. But, even with a game so well crafted, its still an annoying perspective to have in mind while playing.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on December 16, 2011, 05:13:54 PM
I dunno man, this is just what 2ch is saying.

There's already talks of XIII-3.. sigh

I'm pretty sure they registered a Final Fantasy 13-3 domain name awhile ago so I'm sure they will.

Hey, gotta make up for FF14 somehow!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on December 16, 2011, 07:51:33 PM
The XIII-3 domain was registered by Squeenix USA without consulting the Japanese offices. I don't know if they knew that far ahead of time, or wanted to beat trolls to the domain, or what.

The 'endings' they talked about aren't game endings. They mentioned a couple of times that you're cleaning up time paradoxes all over the map, so it might just be 'endings' to show the result of that paradox being 'fixed.' That's what it sounds like to me. I'm most curious to see how the time travel and paradox fixing actually plays out, and I want the soundtrack. But I can't justify getting it without beating XIII unless the recap thing is satisfactory enough.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on December 16, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
Square-Enix and time travel.

Recipe for total disaster
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 16, 2011, 08:21:14 PM
I love this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgrFKM84KVo&hd=1).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Chronix112 on December 17, 2011, 12:01:41 AM
Really, another sequel? I guess square was  not kidding when they said they were going to whore out Fabula Nova Crystallis

Mm.  You'll never see me complain about a sequel if the game is good.
I say this cause square does not have exactly the best track record. They prove me wrong and I will gladly buy it, and eat my crow full course meal.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on December 17, 2011, 04:27:03 AM
The Crazy Chocobo song plays when you ride a certain chocobo in the game and nowhere else, and it's a parody/homage of another game series. As for the endings thing, I swear they said there's multiple endings, and the one that I've heard that "confirms" a sequel was acquired with only part of the game completed.

As for the vocal tracks, they grow on you; at least they did for me. It's quickly becoming one of my favorite FF soundtracks.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on December 17, 2011, 05:04:27 AM
As for the endings thing, I swear they said there's multiple endings, and the one that I've heard that "confirms" a sequel was acquired with only part of the game completed.

Didn't FFX-2 do something like that actually? That should alleviate concerns some, I'd be irritated if they ended it with a cliffhanger leading to a sequel mainly because we see that all the damn time anymore, and FFXIII wasn't really compelling to revisit beyond seeing how everyone copes with living on Pulse, not unless FFXIII-2 really changes that. And given stuff thrown in like Valhalla and time traveling I'm inclined to think that FFXIII-3 would resemble this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar0KojxIvmQ)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on December 17, 2011, 05:09:22 AM
FFX-2 had three endings. One where you purposefully screw up a certain scene, one where you get the scene right, and one where you get the scene right AND get 100% of the game completed.

I've heard rumors of there being eight endings. Basically there's a bunch of paradox endings and the true ending. Everyone has 'confirmed' the "To Be Continued..." ending in their first playthrough, but it's impossible to complete the entire game in one playthrough.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: DPB on December 17, 2011, 06:49:41 AM
FFX-2 had three endings. One where you purposefully screw up a certain scene, one where you get the scene right, and one where you get the scene right AND get 100% of the game completed.

Purposefully screw up? Isn't that the scene where you have to press X at the right time, despite there being no indication whatsoever that you should do so?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on December 17, 2011, 02:18:31 PM
There's a button prompt from what I remember that tells you to do something.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on December 17, 2011, 05:09:07 PM
I've been watching some videos from the beginning of the game and so far I'm really liking the music, if anything it's catchy.
I think of what I've listened to so far I still prefer XIII's music but XIII-2 seem quite nice to listen too.

Another thing I loved is seeing Moogle by your side all the time saying "kupo" at the end of every sentence.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 17, 2011, 11:29:43 PM
Another thing I loved is seeing Moogle by your side all the time saying "kupo" at the end of every sentence.

I'd say I like that except for how "Japanese" that is. x(
Fucking Vesperia.... nanoja.....nanoja... NANOJA... NANOJA NANOJANANOJA. Dicey KICK!

Also, I don't like how the Moogle looks like it got transplanted from a cartoon, leave it to Japanese where even in something that looks like non-anime models to get a "cute thing".  I would have loved to see another take on the moogle to look somewhat real.  Ah well.. it's a cutie anyhow I guess.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hidoshi on December 18, 2011, 10:37:25 PM
I have much the same problem with the music as with the rest of FFXIII's crapshow: It's overwrought, unremarkable fluff. With some exceptionally poor choices thrown in to boot. The whole thing (so far) sounds like the composer is either grasping at straws or listening to executive meddling. "Quickly! That kind of song will be popular with demographic A! Also throw in something for demographic B! Also this was popular in 1997 in America, make sure it gets in!"

Blah.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sagacious-T on December 19, 2011, 01:01:40 AM
The violin measure in the battle theme was pretty damn good.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 19, 2011, 01:49:28 AM
I have much the same problem with the music as with the rest of FFXIII's crapshow: It's overwrought, unremarkable fluff. With some exceptionally poor choices thrown in to boot. The whole thing (so far) sounds like the composer is either grasping at straws or listening to executive meddling. "Quickly! That kind of song will be popular with demographic A! Also throw in something for demographic B! Also this was popular in 1997 in America, make sure it gets in!"

Blah.

Saber's Edge was fucking baller.
I loved Dust to Dust as well.  I had no issues with the soundtrack.  I think your hate is seeping to other parts of the game. :P

Few OSTs have every track made and lined with gold.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 19, 2011, 02:02:42 AM
I think is better to say that the soundtrack was well made but not all that memorable, that I can believe. And aside from the graphics it was the second best thing from the game (even if not every single track was amazing or anything).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 19, 2011, 02:10:23 AM
I think is better to say that the soundtrack was well made but not all that memorable, that I can believe. And aside from the graphics it was the second best thing from the game (even if not every single track was amazing or anything).

I could never love a soundtrack as a whole for most games.  Maybe... 2?  Maybe 2 games have done that for me.  If only a few songs are good, perfect.  I thought that's what the point of iTunes was too.

Well, personally, maybe not the most memorable, but some of the tracks did that well enough for me to be quite memorable.  Saber's Edge, Ragnarok, the main battle theme, Dust to Dust, the Eidolon battle, Lake Bresha, the Yaschis Massif [sp?, it was a perky swingy/jazzy tune], and a number of the character themes were really nice, and some enough to make it to my iPod for some nice [lyric-less] listening. :D
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on December 19, 2011, 02:39:20 AM
Yaschas Massif was bossa nova. One of the things I love about XIII and XIII-2's soundtrack are how many new genres have been injected into what felt to me a rather unchanging musical horizon for the series. Jazz, pop, rap, metal, techno, blues, downtempo, lounge, trance, classical, rock, ambience. I love it. The eclectic nature of these soundtracks, especially XIII-2's, is laudable.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 19, 2011, 02:40:00 AM
With that said, it was a shame that the Piano Collections for XIII wasn't all that good outside 3 tracks. Is really hard to do something better after the Piano Collections of FFVII or VIII though, I mean holy shit my ears are having sex right now omg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnx-FzNqPtM).

Feels good. :3 teehee~
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 19, 2011, 02:44:16 AM
Yaschas Massif was bossa nova.

Yes!  Thank you.

With that said, it was a shame that the Piano Collections for XIII wasn't all that good outside 3 tracks. Is really hard to do something better after the Piano Collections of FFVII or VIII though, I mean holy shit my ears are having sex right now omg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnx-FzNqPtM).

Feels good. :3 teehee~

I loved the piano arranges for 7 & 8.  But yeaaaah... The FF13's lacked... soul?

I love Find Your Way, even on it's own as a song, "soundtrack-for-a-final-fantasy" title aside, I thought it was really pretty.  I didn't like much from FF8, a few popular ones, I do think Blue Fields was a brilliant overworld, and The Compression of Time much like Find Your Way was as eerie, mysterious, and fulfilling, the former leaving me a sadness that made me enjoy it all the more.

What I'd kill more for?  Accoustic arrange.  I think piano are nice, but accoustic are my "ear sex".
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Chronix112 on December 19, 2011, 02:58:29 AM
I would say there was a lot of tracks that were generic but solid, certainly not bad.
One of the things I love about XIII and XIII-2's soundtrack are how many new genres have been injected into what felt to me a rather unchanging musical horizon for the series. Jazz, pop, rap, metal, techno, blues, downtempo, lounge, trance, classical, rock, ambience. I love it. The eclectic nature of these soundtracks, especially XIII-2's, is laudable.
Agreed.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on December 19, 2011, 03:04:27 AM
Leta's stream (http://www.twitch.tv/leta_jp) only needs two more fragments to complete the game 100%. Rumors are that it opens up the true ending.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 19, 2011, 03:33:43 AM
^That slot machine is so borked.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on December 19, 2011, 04:12:25 AM
Slots fragment acquired.

One more.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on December 19, 2011, 05:03:49 AM
I don't know about the story, but from what I've seen I'm digging the new battle system. It's the same thing, but with some SMT elements that actually appear well done and quick-time events (I love these in turn-based games). Also, this is the first time I've liked every song in an OST for any game. I didn't even like all the songs in Nier, so that's a pretty great accomplishment on the composers' part.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 19, 2011, 08:32:21 AM
tri-Ace! (http://andriasang.com/comzen/ffxiii2_triace/) Omega & New DLC Alt. Costumes! (http://andriasang.com/comzew/ffxiii2_dlc/) Shameless Bikini! (http://andriasang.com/comzez/ffxiii2_dlc_video/)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on December 19, 2011, 11:02:43 AM
Serah's pink dress does look quite nice!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 20, 2011, 02:51:19 AM
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Just saw the ending. They kill the moogle, shit is sad bro. ;_;
Thanks for not hiding the spoiler. Seriously, Bravo.

~Sincerely, the management
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on December 20, 2011, 11:12:06 AM
Thanks for not using the code tags, since everybody else has the Japanese version of the game and played it to completion. Bravo!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hidoshi on December 20, 2011, 11:31:50 AM
Now, I'm probably not going to play this game when it first comes out (if I do at all), but one thing I'm certainly not going to do is watch the whole fucking ending before playing it.

Fer fuck's sake.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hathen on December 20, 2011, 11:42:19 AM
Didn't really care enough about the game to get that irritated when I saw the spoiler, though I gotta say, if that's the best part of the ending, it's really not that enticing.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on December 20, 2011, 05:49:47 PM
The ending actually makes a surprising amount of sense given the themes and events of the game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 20, 2011, 06:39:11 PM
Now, I'm probably not going to play this game when it first comes out (if I do at all), but one thing I'm certainly not going to do is watch the whole fucking ending before playing it.

Fer fuck's sake.

I did exactly the same thing with XIII, I saw the ending and I didn't really know what happened because of the lack of context and at that moment I wasn't gonna buy the game but after the amount of shit the game received I got curious. I bought it, finished and then kinda regret paying so much money for it.

The ending actually makes a surprising amount of sense given the themes and events of the game.

This. A lot of stuff happens in that ending (I don't believe I've seen an ending this long since maybe Final Fantasy VIII), and is surprisingly good. Though reactions are gonna be mixed when people see it for various reasons.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on December 20, 2011, 08:30:27 PM
I feel like this is stating the obvious, but it bears bringing up apparently: remember that not everyone's eager to seek and gulp down every last piece of information on a game! I don't care if it makes no sense out of context, don't go talking about significant plot events or other surprises without spoiler tags. And you should probably be selective about WHAT you link, just because a major site ran it doesn't mean it's OK because they can make awful judgement calls. ESPECIALLY Kotaku.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on December 21, 2011, 09:40:06 PM
525k first week sales; appears the Japanese were VERY hesitant to buy the game despite all the improvements and high Amazon reviews. While it's not a bomba, I'm disappointed. There's so much awesome they've put in this game that it's sad to see it sell so poorly.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 21, 2011, 11:12:18 PM
Can't blame them. Didn't FFXIII in Japan was sold used cheap on Amazon days or a few weeks after it was released?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 21, 2011, 11:16:08 PM
525k first week sales; appears the Japanese were VERY hesitant to buy the game despite all the improvements and high Amazon reviews. While it's not a bomba, I'm disappointed. There's so much awesome they've put in this game that it's sad to see it sell so poorly.

500k is bad in Japan? 

I think lifetime sales might improve with word of mouth and reviews then.  If they are as good (seems like less complaints are flying around the internet with 13-2)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on December 21, 2011, 11:21:22 PM
525k first week sales; appears the Japanese were VERY hesitant to buy the game despite all the improvements and high Amazon reviews. While it's not a bomba, I'm disappointed. There's so much awesome they've put in this game that it's sad to see it sell so poorly.

500k is bad in Japan? 

I think lifetime sales might improve with word of mouth and reviews then.  If they are as good (seems like less complaints are flying around the internet with 13-2)

For Final Fantasy it is; although I wouldn't entirely pin the blame on XIII given the disaster that XIV was and the disappointment with XII. Type 0 has probably been the best FF release since XI and a lot of the faith and goodwill the series had since XI has been pissed away.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 21, 2011, 11:27:03 PM
525k first week sales; appears the Japanese were VERY hesitant to buy the game despite all the improvements and high Amazon reviews. While it's not a bomba, I'm disappointed. There's so much awesome they've put in this game that it's sad to see it sell so poorly.

500k is bad in Japan? 

I think lifetime sales might improve with word of mouth and reviews then.  If they are as good (seems like less complaints are flying around the internet with 13-2)

For Final Fantasy it is; although I wouldn't entirely pin the blame on XIII given the disaster that XIV was and the disappointment with XII. Type 0 has probably been the best FF release since XI and a lot of the faith and goodwill the series had since XI has been pissed away.

I am a firm believer that slumps happen.  I truly think Squeenix will learn from their mistakes... because they have to, partly.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 21, 2011, 11:28:18 PM
Wait. People was disappointed with XII? I thought it was well-received by fans. I wasn't much into the series when everyone was hyped with XII and I only played the demo of it that came with DQ8 and it was pretty boring. It looked nice though, heh. ._.'
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Chronix112 on December 21, 2011, 11:53:25 PM
Final Fantasy XIII had a ridiculous return rate in Japan just days after its release. I can see why they are weary about taking a chance on it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on December 22, 2011, 12:09:11 AM
Wait. People was disappointed with XII? I thought it was well-received by fans. I wasn't much into the series when everyone was hyped with XII and I only played the demo of it that came with DQ8 and it was pretty boring. It looked nice though, heh. ._.'
XII is probably the third-most despised FF game, behind VIII and XIII. I was incredibly disappointed by everything in XII.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on December 22, 2011, 12:55:56 AM
Wait. People was disappointed with XII? I thought it was well-received by fans. I wasn't much into the series when everyone was hyped with XII and I only played the demo of it that came with DQ8 and it was pretty boring. It looked nice though, heh. ._.'
XII is probably the third-most despised FF game, behind VIII and XIII. I was incredibly disappointed by everything in XII.

Mother fucking Final Fantasy II says you're wrong. Actually, I don't really think there IS much of a consensus on "worst FF", FFII's the closest there, and likely the easiest to argue as objectively worst just because of some of the cruel design and that you can screw yourself over way harder than any other entry. You could maybe make the case of post-VI titles though, which is where most of this kind of arguing happens anyway.

Anyways, yeah, 500k would be great for a LOT of series... but not a major FF title in Japan. It'd be like if Call of Duty released to a million or two million here in its first week, for most games those would be amazing numbers... but for that it's a catastrophe.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on December 22, 2011, 01:49:54 AM
Wait. People was disappointed with XII? I thought it was well-received by fans. I wasn't much into the series when everyone was hyped with XII and I only played the demo of it that came with DQ8 and it was pretty boring. It looked nice though, heh. ._.'
XII is probably the third-most despised FF game, behind VIII and XIII. I was incredibly disappointed by everything in XII.

Mother fucking Final Fantasy II says you're wrong. Actually, I don't really think there IS much of a consensus on "worst FF", FFII's the closest there, and likely the easiest to argue as objectively worst just because of some of the cruel design and that you can screw yourself over way harder than any other entry. You could maybe make the case of post-VI titles though, which is where most of this kind of arguing happens anyway.

Anyways, yeah, 500k would be great for a LOT of series... but not a major FF title in Japan. It'd be like if Call of Duty released to a million or two million here in its first week, for most games those would be amazing numbers... but for that it's a catastrophe.

Face it, FFII was a proto-SaGa game and you know it (granted it was the reason why SaGa became its own thing).

While I won't say that I hate FFXII, I will say that like FFVIII before it I've played through it once and probably never again. There were parts of it that I liked but the pooch got screwed over way too much on this one for me to consider it a good Final Fantasy. Vaan was dumb, the License Board was dumber, and everything involving treasure chests was dumbest. I didn't mind or actually liked the rest of it aside from the endgame areas being way too fucking huge and the occasional turd like the Sand Sea segment.

But this basically comes back to my point that ever since Squaresoft ceased to be so that Enix could do like the Pharaoh and merge the two crowns into one there has been a noticeable drop in quality and experimentation. The increasing shift in focus towards social and mobile gaming hasn't helped matters either but that's a Japan thing rather than a Squeenix thing (but they're just as guilty as the rest in that regard). Hell up until recently the only series I figured Squeenix wouldn't try to sink would be Dragon Quest and here we are with DQX Online and....welp.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on December 22, 2011, 02:08:07 AM
Face it, FFII was a proto-SaGa game and you know it (granted it was the reason why SaGa became its own thing).

And that's a series that alternates between mad genius and just plain madness.

Also:

The increasing shift in focus towards social and mobile gaming hasn't helped matters either but that's an industry wide thing rather than a Squeenix thing (but they're just as guilty as the rest in that regard).

Fixed. Saying it's a "Japan thing" is completely ignoring Rovio and Zynga.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 22, 2011, 02:13:02 AM
Face it, FFII was a proto-SaGa game and you know it (granted it was the reason why SaGa became its own thing).

And that's a series that alternates between mad genius and just plain madness.

The only one I managed to like was SaGa 2 ....god I hate typing that title, pain in the ass mid-shifting. >:/

Looking back... I couldn't tell you what the fuck Final Fantasy 8 was about even if I tried.  A lot of FF9 is a bit of a blur.  Bad writing?  Convoluted?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 22, 2011, 02:28:16 AM
Looking back... I couldn't tell you what the fuck Final Fantasy 8 was about even if I tried.

And it doesn't matter really thanks to this damn song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcteRJmth5I). Seriously, is like the "My Heart Will Go On" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tuvz_9D7Ok) of video games.

FFFFUUU-! They sound the same. D:<
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 22, 2011, 02:31:21 AM
During the worst time in my life, I loved that stupid FF8 ending theme... but I also remember thinking: "there's no fucking way a guy could ever sink his teeth into this".
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on December 22, 2011, 02:34:05 AM
I don't know what FF vocal theme I liked less: That one, or Melodies of Life.

Though the XIII-2 one is shaping up to be even more generic and boring.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 22, 2011, 02:39:06 AM
I don't know what FF vocal theme I liked less: That one, or Melodies of Life.

Though the XIII-2 one is shaping up to be even more generic and boring.

Oh man... yeah, I'm not digging this era of melodramatic 90's slow movie-credits-type music.  Melodies of Life at least had decent in-game instrumental pieces...  But sung they're so full of sap. 

Credit to Type Zero for picking a male band... and one that's not Gackt (a la FF7:DD)

Weird saying Kingdom Hearts did a better job with the pop.  Fuck, any other series has.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 22, 2011, 02:46:05 AM
I've always liked Melodies of Life but is more because of a nostalgic thing more than anything else, but Eyes on Me? that song has always drives me nuts.

...it makes me mad just searching for it on YouTube.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on December 22, 2011, 04:24:51 AM
Face it, FFII was a proto-SaGa game and you know it (granted it was the reason why SaGa became its own thing).

And that's a series that alternates between mad genius and just plain madness.

The only one I managed to like was SaGa 2 ....god I hate typing that title, pain in the ass mid-shifting. >:/

Looking back... I couldn't tell you what the fuck Final Fantasy 8 was about even if I tried.  A lot of FF9 is a bit of a blur.  Bad writing?  Convoluted?
IX has the most solid storyline of the series, but VIII definitely has bad writing all over the place.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on December 22, 2011, 11:24:55 PM
Face it, FFII was a proto-SaGa game and you know it (granted it was the reason why SaGa became its own thing).

And that's a series that alternates between mad genius and just plain madness.

The only one I managed to like was SaGa 2 ....god I hate typing that title, pain in the ass mid-shifting. >:/

Looking back... I couldn't tell you what the fuck Final Fantasy 8 was about even if I tried.  A lot of FF9 is a bit of a blur.  Bad writing?  Convoluted?

Wait? Are you talking about FFVIII, FFIX, or both here? If you're talking about FFVIII it's about a loner/highschool student slowly falling head over heels for the first sudo-princess he sees Laguna being a bro and the rest simply being there to serve as some kind of backdrop. If you're talking about FFIX then it's kinda like FFVI in how it handled love but switch love out with life and you have the basic idea behind FFIX.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Annubis on December 23, 2011, 10:12:25 PM
Wow, I never thought I'd see the day, but FFXIII-2 failed to outsell Tales of Xillia. (first week VS first week)
Who'd have thought Tales would actually outsell FF.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on December 25, 2011, 02:33:47 AM
Ok guys. Why hasn't anyone gotten around to posting this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4) yet? This shit's fantastically awful.

Also apparently one of these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uncwKFZflS0) songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfAu646PGtE) is used during the final boss fight and I can't even imagine the context these would even sound good in.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on December 25, 2011, 02:37:22 AM
Ok guys. Why hasn't anyone gotten around to posting this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4) yet? This shit's fantastically awful.

Also apparently one of these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uncwKFZflS0) songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfAu646PGtE) is used during the final boss fight and I can't even imagine the context these would even sound good in.

Is it a bad thing I actually liked those songs and can see them used well? Good metal might just be the thing that will FF needs.

Edit: Except that last song. That's just... WHY DOES IT EXIST?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 25, 2011, 04:58:09 AM
The first song should be called "Crazy Ass Choboco".

The second song reminds of one the best tracks of DMC3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFMww7-R75k), but still a track like that in a Final Fantasy is weird.

The third song is not bad until that random guy starts to sing and it makes sounds the entire thing like a modern Sonic song... ugh.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Chronix112 on December 25, 2011, 06:47:12 AM
Otherworld (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh5McG4PryM) 
Like generic metal in Final Fantasy is anything new.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on December 25, 2011, 10:37:58 AM
Otherworld (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh5McG4PryM)  
Like generic metal in Final Fantasy is anything new.

The difference is that Otherworld wasn't a remix of a light, fun song.

Of course, knowing it's only on one chocobo and meant to be a reference anyway just makes this hilarious rather than hilariously pathetic.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Chronix112 on December 25, 2011, 10:45:22 AM
I find hilarious that people are bitching about it. Songs are remixed  all the time, sometimes the remixes works, other times they fall flat, or straight up fail.  If you don't want to hear it, ignore that ONE chocobo . Problem solved.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hathen on December 25, 2011, 10:51:30 AM
I don't care that it's metal. I care that it's a horrible fucking song. Otherworld is actually enjoyable.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 25, 2011, 11:46:00 AM
Who cares, it's obviously not a track to be taken seriously.  Does anyone know, amongst the two other choco tracks, when it's used.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Chronix112 on December 25, 2011, 12:02:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgr1rHdnqVo
Well, it certainly looks the part....weird chocobo is weird
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 25, 2011, 12:08:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgr1rHdnqVo
Well, it certainly looks the part....weird chocobo is weird

You kidding me!?  That's awesome!!  You find a hardcore-looking chocobo and it changes to a hardcore theme???  That is funny. :)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kurai on December 25, 2011, 02:19:33 PM
o laughed a lot of the hardcore chocobo :lol:, that was great
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on December 25, 2011, 07:39:05 PM
Lol, that's funny as hell!

What's not to love about it? Just imagine James Hetfield raping a chocobo!

...Wark!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on December 26, 2011, 09:11:02 AM
I don't care that it's metal. I care that it's a horrible fucking song. Otherworld is actually enjoyable.

Yep.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on December 26, 2011, 07:09:24 PM
Ok guys. Why hasn't anyone gotten around to posting this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4) yet? This shit's fantastically awful.

Also apparently one of these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uncwKFZflS0) songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfAu646PGtE) is used during the final boss fight and I can't even imagine the context these would even sound good in.
The last one, "Worlds Collide", is actually pretty good.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on December 27, 2011, 03:57:14 PM
Oddly enough, I like the metal chocobo theme, not everything in FFXIII-2 has to be dead serious. Sure, they have to be careful since the credibility of the FF franchise is very strained after what I understand was total train wreck of an MMO in FF XIV and the less than stellar FFXIII. But a well placed joke here and there is just fine, as long as they don't pull another FFX "HA!...HA!...HA!..." scene or shove another Jar Jar Binks character in (which the original FFXIII cast was almost entirely composed of).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on December 27, 2011, 10:04:00 PM
Basically, it'd only be a problem IF that Chocobo theme were treated seriously. As a joke it's great.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: AuraChannelerChris on December 27, 2011, 10:19:18 PM
I miss Nobuo Uematsu a lot.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on December 27, 2011, 10:27:57 PM
I miss Nobuo Uematsu a lot.

Yeah, me too. Is he working on something lately? Haven't heard from him in a lot time.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hathen on December 28, 2011, 12:23:47 AM
I doubt Uematsu will ever run out of work unless he wanted to, he's one of the big names in Video Games.

His next big video game project is The Last Story, if I'm not mistaken. He scored FFXIV if you missed out on that, and presumably he'd end up scoring any expansions the game would get.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 28, 2011, 12:30:19 AM
I personally think he's passed his prime from what I've heard.  Mind you, context helps, and can't say I (or anyone) has played FF14, and Last Story is in TBD status.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Hathen on December 28, 2011, 12:34:59 AM
I thought his FFXIV score was pretty good. This track (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OzLRt2FVP8&feature=related), for example, is amazing, IMO.

Oh, yeah, on the subject of context as far as FFXIV is concerned, there's actually a really good interview (http://www.final-fantasy-online.com/ffxiv-videos/official-youtube/nobuo-uematsu/) for his FFXIV score, in it he basically outright said he had little context for a lot of the songs. The best part of the interview is where he admits he'd play a voluptuous cat-girl though.

Whatever the case, he'll definitely never run out of work because of a massive fanbase he has.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on December 28, 2011, 01:18:07 AM
I miss Nobuo Uematsu a lot.
He did two of the new chocobo themes for XIII-2 (Groovy and Rodeo), and they're both alright except for Groovy's weird "Chocobo" chanting. I don't really miss him at all; XIII-2 shows so much musical range and diversity that I hope that trend continues rather than stagnate in the simple melodies that made past FFs. As the games evolve, so should the music.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on December 28, 2011, 01:55:17 AM
I miss Nobuo Uematsu a lot.
He did two of the new chocobo themes for XIII-2 (Groovy and Rodeo), and they're both alright except for Groovy's weird "Chocobo" chanting. I don't really miss him at all; XIII-2 shows so much musical range and diversity that I hope that trend continues rather than stagnate in the simple melodies that made past FFs. As the games evolve, so should the music.

I'm a pretty big Hamauzu fan myself.  It's been nice to see the series diversify it's sound when appropreate.  I don't think anyone gets "war" across better in soundtracks than Sakimoto.

I did like Lost Odysey quite a bit.... but it pulled a bit of an FF8... some of the tracks were really really amazing, some bi-polar-ed to crap..
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on December 31, 2011, 04:16:30 PM
Hamauzu is absolutely amazing. I love Uematsu a lot, but I haven't been truly awed by one of his soundtracks since FF9. I think FF8 and 9 where his golden years, everything since has been good, but not astounding. Hamauzu brings a freshness to the series that we haven't heard for some time. I'm not really a fan of Sakimoto, I thought FF12s soundtrack was quite bland. He's just too conservative for my taste.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Cyril on December 31, 2011, 05:49:23 PM
I'm also of mind that Uematsu is past his prime.  He has said before that Final Fantasy isn't his "preferred" style of music and he prefers harder rock, and I think it's starting to show.

I do like a lot of the XIII-2 soundtrack that I've heard.  It actually comes off as a bit Ar tonelico/GUST-like to me in some cases and that is never a bad thing.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 02, 2012, 03:43:13 AM
I must be going insane because I'm starting to LIKE Invisible Invaders. Lame lyrics be damned, the BGM rocks hard.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Cyril on January 10, 2012, 07:29:55 PM
In case anyone's interested, the demo is up on both XBL and PSN.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on January 10, 2012, 08:00:34 PM
You would be crazy NOT to try out the demo.  I'm interested to see how much of a trainwreck it is or isn't.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on January 10, 2012, 08:09:19 PM
Its all right.Some improvements were desperately needed.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lucca on January 10, 2012, 08:56:50 PM
My impressions of said Demo:

Story: WTH? :|
Battle system: Damn, I still like it.

Yeah, I like the Pragdim system. I have no idea why. Maybe it's the trigger happiness of it (and this is from someone who sucks at trigger happy stuff, like shooters).

I'll probably pick it up.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Madoka on January 10, 2012, 09:16:05 PM
How large is the demo? And any complaints on firmware 4.00? My PS3 has been offline for awhile and hasn't been updated, so I figure I'll have to update to 4.00 to get the download.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Cyril on January 10, 2012, 09:21:40 PM
On PSN it's something like 1.8GB.  I heard it's a bit smaller on XBL.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on January 10, 2012, 09:49:23 PM
kcuF, I'm house sitting for my parents... no hardwired router... no XBL downloads for me (I have an older 360, no WiFi). I'll have to wait a few weeks until I go back to my cabin.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 10, 2012, 10:20:52 PM
I gotta say, if the demo is a solid impression, this feels great. I had no problems with paradigm shift outside of commando being shit against multiple enemies, but now you can designate how they attack, either your target or their own, and that works on all the paradigms now. Fine tuning they call it, and it is sweet. The music is better so far, love the new battle theme, and the cinematic actions during boss fights are cool so far, but I haven't fudged any yet so I don't dislike em yet. Mog is funny, though I don't approve of the voice. Jumping, even though it's not hugely amazing, makes me enjoy travelling. Chocolina is the best chocobo cosplay evar. If XIII had been like this when I first saw it I would have had it the first minute it was released. This demo was great, and square enix may finally be catching on if they keep this up. Eagerly awaiting January 31st....
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Taelus on January 10, 2012, 11:09:11 PM
I thought the demo was outstanding. For starters-- there WAS a demo. Good start. Second, it's big, pretty expansive, and actually lets you try out many of the new systems. I enjoyed it thoroughly.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 10, 2012, 11:46:09 PM
I totally dropped 2 hours into it. For a demo, that's impressive.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 10, 2012, 11:48:36 PM
Thoughts in the order they came:

- Fuck this game is pretty looking
- Skip story
- Skip tutorial bullshiz
- What happens if I fail a quick time event?
- Fuck this game is pretty looking
- Chocolina is like a Kardashian, hot, all about business, and stupid
- Cool battle system
- Club beats victory!!!

Agent D seems pretty taken by it, despite seeming quite the same.  I do like this kinda "coat of fresh paint", but I'm still panning the lack of focus and faith in their direction for making a time-plot.  We'll see how it pans out though
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 10, 2012, 11:53:52 PM
I'm mildly scared that this is the closest I'll ever get to an actual chrono sequel, so I'm praying it'll be good.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 11, 2012, 12:22:00 AM
I'm mildly scared that this is the closest I'll ever get to an actual chrono sequel, so I'm praying it'll be good.

Toouchee....

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/617/okayguy.jpg)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 11, 2012, 04:33:40 AM
LOVED this demo. The music is gorgeous, the game looks fucking great, monster system is fucking awesome. You can easily put a ton of hours into the demo fucking around with shit; I didn't even get all the monsters you could acquire in the demo in my first playthrough which I plan on rectifying after a second time around.

If you fail the cinematic actions, you don't get bonus items at the end of battle; the one at the end of the Atlas battle is a Fragment, which is important.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on January 11, 2012, 06:52:36 AM
Wait, the music is even BETTER???? How is that possible, I thought FFXIII had one of the best soundtracks ever. My biggest complaint was the volume... the music was completely buried beneath everything else... did it seem that way on this one?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 11, 2012, 07:45:26 AM
Hmm, I'm going to have to DL this later tonight and give it a shot.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 11, 2012, 04:27:28 PM
Anyone have a small "lolz" moment when you pulled up the area map and saw how... ...well, how zig-zag, up-down, fork-in-the-road-4x, corridor south-east-west-north it was?

(I'm exagerating a bit, but yeah, it's a big, NON-ONE-WAY map)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: xXMelancholiaXx on January 11, 2012, 05:29:39 PM
Anyone have a small "lolz" moment when you pulled up the area map and saw how... ...well, how zig-zag, up-down, fork-in-the-road-4x, corridor south-east-west-north it was?

(I'm exagerating a bit, but yeah, it's a big, NON-ONE-WAY map)
At least they are trying.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 11, 2012, 05:35:30 PM
Anyone have a small "lolz" moment when you pulled up the area map and saw how... ...well, how zig-zag, up-down, fork-in-the-road-4x, corridor south-east-west-north it was?

(I'm exagerating a bit, but yeah, it's a big, NON-ONE-WAY map)
At least they are trying.

I wasn't complaining. :D
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 11, 2012, 06:01:22 PM
They really shouldn't put a map, it breaks the immersion and the whole part of "exploring" seems kinda pointless.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on January 11, 2012, 06:39:58 PM
Tried the demo.

It's flashy

It's purty

Lots of sound effects that make me think of glittery silver things

I talked to that chocobo lady trader and got annoyed. Shut it off.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 11, 2012, 09:16:23 PM
Just tried out the demo. Rap battle music right out the gate and Chocolina's personality nearly made me shut it off.

But I kept playing I think this is a title I'll probably pre-order if I can afford it; if not I'll at least pick it up later. The normal battle music is gorgeous, the battle system is fun (even if I hate the Pokemon element) and it's actually nice to see random battles return with a fresh coat of paint. The dialog trees and the different ways to tackle objectives are more than enough to convince me that this game has replay value. I'm sold.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 11, 2012, 09:33:55 PM
The fact they threw in Chocolina baffles and annoys me. I know there'll always be some JRPG eccentricity, I wouldn't want them to actively avoid it, but for trying to make this more accessible the last thing we needed was turning the shop into an idiot cosplayer.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Taelus on January 11, 2012, 11:05:22 PM
I didn't find her to be too much of a bother. She's a goof, to be sure, but you can basically just plow through her dialogue and shop.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: xXMelancholiaXx on January 11, 2012, 11:41:47 PM
I love it. :D
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on January 12, 2012, 12:04:42 AM
I love it. :D

Glad you like it Rena :)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on January 12, 2012, 01:18:39 AM
I stopped playing when I saw Chocolina.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on January 12, 2012, 01:24:59 AM
i honestly think this might be a contender for (my at least) Game of the Year. From a gameplay standpoint its the JRPG ive been waiting this whole generation for. Noel's kind of douche though, but at least he's a cute douche unlike Vaan or Tidus.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on January 12, 2012, 01:31:44 AM
I stopped playing when I saw Chocolina.

same exact shit i said.

what the hell was that crap
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 12, 2012, 01:54:10 AM
I stopped playing when I saw Chocolina.

same exact shit i said.

what the hell was that crap

It was Japan.

I liked the FFX shop dude, nice fella, thanked you "for your patronage" and all that.  He was swell and earnest.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on January 12, 2012, 02:07:45 AM
He charged you for shit when you were trying to save his ass. He was a bastard.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on January 12, 2012, 02:37:56 AM
He charged you for shit when you were trying to save his ass. He was a bastard.

Hush Kay,adults are talking.We better back off >:/
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 12, 2012, 02:47:08 AM
Thaasss right.  Know your place, KIDS.  Hur hur hur....*eats from bag o' potato chips*
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 12, 2012, 05:56:01 AM
Hey, 14 main titles and only NOW they have a person dressed up as a chocobo? Honestly, it could have been worse. At least she makes it work.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 12, 2012, 08:29:03 AM
Hey, 14 main titles and only NOW they have a person dressed up as a chocobo? Honestly, it could have been worse. At least she makes it work.

The man makes a point.  Just about every game has some ridiculous character, this one just had a voice.
FF6 Cid was dressed as a peanut for goodness sake. :P
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Taelus on January 12, 2012, 09:00:43 AM
I stopped playing when I saw Chocolina.

I don't understand why people are quitting the game after not really even getting into the meat of it. This is a seriously improved game and I feel like people are judging it because of a minor character that takes up all of 1% if your time in game.

Unless we're being facetious. In which case nevermind.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 12, 2012, 09:05:13 AM
Given she's the shop that WOULD literally be 1%, maybe more. I think the purpose is partially to make the merchant character memorable and easily telegraphed, without needing to contrive a stand to shop at or anything, but Xenoblade got that done with an icon over the head (and marking on the map obviously), and you could always try a quirk more related to being a shop keeper than that crap. She's more at home in the Casino area than as the merchant you will always go to. I SUPPOSE the idea though could be more of shop mascots, but that's probably easier to swallow in Japan than here, and it's too prevalent of a thing anyway.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on January 12, 2012, 12:10:03 PM
You can skip ALL of her dialogue just by mashing X/A when talking to her (you might have to have subtitles on though) I don't see the problem you DON'T even have to listen to her.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: xXMelancholiaXx on January 12, 2012, 12:24:39 PM
Wow so much Chocolina hate and the game hasn't even come out yet. Anyway I like her. I always have an appreciation for zany characters.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 12, 2012, 12:59:41 PM
So I take it you guys found FF's Tingle.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Taelus on January 12, 2012, 01:24:26 PM
So I take it you guys found FF's Tingle.

I hate tingle with the fire of a thousand dying stars.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 12, 2012, 01:25:48 PM
So I take it you guys found FF's Tingle.

I hate tingle with the fire of a thousand dying stars.

He makes me laugh.  I just like when he does that little circle on the spot and shoots out confetti.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 12, 2012, 01:46:24 PM
Who doesn't appreciate Tingle? I mean cmon, even in smash bros melee he was awesome, trolling people by inflating his balloon at the worst times. Tingle is great.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on January 12, 2012, 05:22:48 PM
Tingle was funny for exactly one game, Majora's Mask. Wind Waker's inclusion of him was an attrocity toward humanity, though. But that game also created Beadle, who I dispise far worse.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 12, 2012, 05:41:56 PM
Beadle

AAAOOOOO... THAAAAHNKYUUU

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 12, 2012, 07:03:57 PM
Wind Waker's inclusion of him was an attrocity toward humanity, though.

That's what looped him around from annoying to hilariously terrible, he literally was one when he resorted to slavery to rotate an effigy of himself. He went from a creep to a narcissistic monster right there.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Esper_Crusader on January 12, 2012, 11:47:36 PM
Not much for QTE's anymore(Asura's Wrath demo was bullshit) but the demo was pretty solid.  Guess I better finish up FF13 soon before this drops.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Adapheon on January 13, 2012, 07:18:02 AM
I played FF13 to the last boss and just stopped caring. Played the demo and now I am very interested, probably way too much. I can't afford it but I'll probably end up buying it anyways as it took the few things I liked about 13 and expanded upon them greatly.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 13, 2012, 08:22:07 AM
The only thing I'm worried about in regards to 13-2 is trying to integrate too much of the old story. It was rather disheartening to play the demo and hear fal'cie this and l'cie that. It's enough to make you go "Ugh, thanks for reminding me of that crappy game. Can we just pretend it didn't happen? Stop mentioning those words!". XD
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: xXMelancholiaXx on January 13, 2012, 11:33:17 AM
...Well it is a sequel...so it shouldn't surprise anyone that terms, characters, and locales from the first game would show up. If it bothers you that much then well I don't know what to tell you.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Zik on January 13, 2012, 12:07:31 PM
The only thing I'm worried about in regards to 13-2 is trying to integrate too much of the old story. It was rather disheartening to play the demo and hear fal'cie this and l'cie that. It's enough to make you go "Ugh, thanks for reminding me of that crappy game. Can we just pretend it didn't happen? Stop mentioning those words!". XD

Eventhough I liked the game, I can understand that people disliked it because of severals reasons (I still liked the old FFs better) but cmon the story with the l'cie wasnt bad at all. I didnt try the demo but ill get the game when it will be release. Gotta finish Chrono Trigger asap!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 13, 2012, 05:23:01 PM
Bad/crappy might be the wrong word in hindsight. I think the word I'm looking for when dealing with 13's plot is 'convoluted'.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 13, 2012, 05:51:59 PM
Bad/crappy might be the wrong word in hindsight. I think the word I'm looking for when dealing with 13's plot is 'convoluted'.

And pretentious.  Every character was hurting like Dawson's Creek.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on January 13, 2012, 07:58:02 PM
but cmon the story with the l'cie wasnt bad at all.

Yes... yes it was, and worse than you think.

I just hope they restore the human element to Final Fantasy. From I-V, the ultimate evil was always some evil spirit/god/demon/tree. FF6 successfully ditched that and made the main enemy human, which REALLY helped make the story more personal. FF7 might have had an evil space demon that started everything, but again, the central villain was human. FF8, the witches were humans with special powers, FF9 has understandable, human-like villains throughout the game, only to pull an FF4 at the last minute, but we don't have to think about that. Since then, though, The Final Fantasy games have become progressively less human-centric, and more distant. Then FF13 reaches a new low where there isn't really any focus on any human villains at all. They're there, sure, but you learn almost nothing about them, and you hardly come face to face with them, and from the very beginning, it's obvious the fal'cie are villains. I want my Kefka and Kuja back, even a Sephiroth (though I'm not a huge fan) would be nice! Give me some truly evil humans that I can come face to face with, relate to, and hate them for it. Stop with this, "evil over-god" bullshit! These things mean nothing to me, I can't relate to them, they're a weird force of nature, that talks... it's narratively BORING and more than just a bit lazy.

Fuck 'em.

Even Xenoblade feels more personal than this:
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Even though the final baddy turns out to be a god, you meet him, he appears in human form and taunts you. He just seems like a crazy immortal man than anything else. I can relate to him somehow. Maybe not much, but more than an eternally-sleeping being of unknown origin, a race of mysterious wraith spirits, or a group of demi-gods who compulsively toy with humans in order to get God's attention.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on January 13, 2012, 08:42:07 PM
Bad/crappy might be the wrong word in hindsight. I think the word I'm looking for when dealing with 13's plot is 'convoluted'.

And pretentious.  Every character was hurting like Dawson's Creek.

"I don't want to to wait for our lives to be over"

I miss that shitty show.High school teens discussing relationships like 40 year old women in talk shows.Lovely.

*clears throat*
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Alhizzy on January 13, 2012, 08:55:26 PM
Played part of the demo, looks like they didn't change a whole lot in terms of the battle system and what not...which... I think isn't a particularly good thing for me since I don't give 2 craps about the plot.  I liked 13's battle system, but after 50 hours of messing around with that system, I need more than just a good battle system to keep me interested.  Serra and Noel...ya, i don't like the characters from what I can tell, and the whole Pulse & Cocoon setting is uninteresting.

This just makes me think back to 10-2, which had they kept the same cast, battle system, and feel...I would've given a damn about it because the original had a great plot and interesting world.  Instead, it was a Charlie's Angels meets Power Rangers disaster that I was embarassed to play.  At this point, I just can't see what can compel me to want to buy 13-2 due to the plot and characters.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 13, 2012, 09:51:02 PM
Hard to tell just from the demo but the vibe I'm getting from the dialog inclines me to recommend giving Serra and Noel a free pass. It feels like a reverse X-2 in the respect that it takes existing characters and actually makes them better.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 13, 2012, 10:19:45 PM
You guys really don't like X-2 do you? Been reading a lot hate for it today here.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on January 13, 2012, 10:33:54 PM
I hate X-2 because of what it did to X's story. X's story - disregarding the whole 'dream of a civilization' thing - was pretty decent, and the ending was one of the best I'd ever seen - it's successfully bittersweet and closes the book on the story incredibly well. Which is why, when X-2 came out and crapped all over X's ending, I was personally offended, because the ending for that game was wonderful.

On FFXIII's story: No, it wasn't bad. It was fucking horrendous. Important story elements were thrown into the datalog. The characters' emotional baggage and sociopathy (particularly Lightning's) were unrealistic and asinine. The overarching theme (isolation and brainwashing) held potential, but the writers made it about the characters - none of which are likable, save MAYBE Sazh and Snow, and even then it's Saturday Morning Cartoon likable. It's why I'm very wary abut XIII-2, these people have no idea how to write dialogue. Or people.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 13, 2012, 10:38:48 PM
Pretty much what Leyviur said with the addition that X-2 ruined the existing characters (on top of the story) by writing them as though it were bad fanfiction with a writer with no sense of characterization.

If the game had been something else with the same character personalities but different locations, names, and physical appearances X-2 would've been passable by JRPG standards.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on January 13, 2012, 11:19:00 PM
Just played the demo and I can say I'm pretty excited for the game!
Only thing I didn't quite understand is how to get those hidden item when the Moogle has a bright spot on its head...

I don't think the music was as good as XIII but it's still pretty good for me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 13, 2012, 11:42:28 PM
I forget which button but it's one of the L/R triggers.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 13, 2012, 11:46:01 PM
I forget which button but it's one of the L/R triggers.

R1 I believe. Could be RB or RT on the 360 controller.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 13, 2012, 11:51:51 PM
@Leyviur & ZeronHitaro: Good points. I can't say much other than in those days more or less I was getting into Final Fantasy so when X-2 came out all the hate didn't affect me, same thing can be said about the movies and everything else when Square Enix started.

All of those huge articles about the franchise or even reviews wrote by people who started with the NES or SNES titles can really mess up with your opinion and enjoyment of the new games, I know that has happened to me. But nowadays I'm more careful in reading stuff like that.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Zik on January 14, 2012, 12:36:25 AM
Never forget that a review is only the opinion of one person and you can have a totally different view from that person. The problem is that most reviewers are subjective in their article. I used to reviews games for a website and even if I disliked one game, I did my best to stay objective trough my review.

I think that RPGFan does a good job on that most of the time.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on January 14, 2012, 09:00:08 AM
Went into more detail than I expected, mostly inspired by my feelings on XIII, which I think is vastly underrated. (http://blog.hardcoregaming101.net/2012/01/in-defense-of-final-fantasy-xiii-and.html)

The demo gameplay is fantastic, as is the music, the rest... not so much.

Consider that I loved XIII, even(if not especially) its story and characters.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 14, 2012, 11:15:48 AM
Bad/crappy might be the wrong word in hindsight. I think the word I'm looking for when dealing with 13's plot is 'convoluted'.

And pretentious.  Every character was hurting like Dawson's Creek.

"I don't want to to wait for our lives to be over"

I miss that shitty show. 40 year olds pretending to be high school teens discussing relationships like 40 year old women in talk shows.Lovely.

*clears throat*

Fixed.


@Leyviur & ZeronHitaro:

You would've had a point if the characters who were dumb in FFX2 weren't also dumb in FFX1. Remember Yuna was a broken record about her death march throughout the majority of FFX and Meg Ryan Tidus and Citan Uzuki Auron were the only other characters. Both of which were MIA in X2 for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 14, 2012, 12:29:08 PM
FFX(-2) bringing back Tidus (Tide-us, I thought Tee-dus made him sound like a wimp, name him after the fucked up for a Shakespeare Titus!) was as damaging to the overall story as bringing back Aeris would be.

Whatever, I'm leaving this (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnexplainedRecovery?from=Main.IGotBetter) here.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on January 14, 2012, 02:22:18 PM
You guys really don't like X-2 do you? Been reading a lot hate for it today here.

I love FFX-2.

It was upbeat,hectic and much more fun than I expected.It was wrong to call it FF though,maybe something like Gullwing Adventures.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on January 14, 2012, 05:24:13 PM
You guys really don't like X-2 do you? Been reading a lot hate for it today here.

I did hate it, but I could see myself giving it another go someday since there isn't too much on the horizon RPG wise I'm interested in.  I don't even remember why I didn't like it, probably because of the silliness but it has been too long for me to remember.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 14, 2012, 09:09:33 PM
Never forget that a review is only the opinion of one person and you can have a totally different view from that person. The problem is that most reviewers are subjective in their article. I used to reviews games for a website and even if I disliked one game, I did my best to stay objective trough my review.

I think that RPGFan does a good job on that most of the time.

Yeah I'll have that in mind. Sometimes I agree too much with one opinion and end up changing my point of view ruining my entire enjoyment of X thing. But like I said, I'm more careful with that now.

I love FFX-2.

It was upbeat,hectic and much more fun than I expected.It was wrong to call it FF though,maybe something like Gullwing Adventures.

Same here. After all the drama that FFX was (which I enjoyed a lot) I appreciated the change of tone. In part it reminded me of FFIX.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Zik on January 14, 2012, 11:06:03 PM
Am I the only one who had the possibility to download and try the demo but didnt and will buy the game in 2 weeks? For some reason I have zero doubt about the quality of this game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 15, 2012, 12:49:19 AM
Am I the only one who had the possibility to download and try the demo but didnt and will buy the game in 2 weeks? For some reason I have zero doubt about the quality of this game.

If you were completely fine with FFXIII then you're right to make that call. Anyone who WASN'T would be nuts to jump into FFXIII-2 anyway without trying the demo or at least reading enough impressions.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Zik on January 15, 2012, 01:33:57 AM
Am I the only one who had the possibility to download and try the demo but didnt and will buy the game in 2 weeks? For some reason I have zero doubt about the quality of this game.

If you were completely fine with FFXIII then you're right to make that call. Anyone who WASN'T would be nuts to jump into FFXIII-2 anyway without trying the demo or at least reading enough impressions.

Yes, thats basically what I was thinking. FFXIII war far from being among the best of the series, but it was still good in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 16, 2012, 04:47:46 AM
Surprised at FFX-2 hate, it had the best gameplay in the series. As for XIII-2, you have so little to judge the plot or characters on that it's pointless to make opinions now. Since I know the whole plot of the game, I can tell you that XIII-2 has way better characters than XIII, but a worse overall story.


Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 16, 2012, 05:34:19 AM
Surprised at FFX-2 hate, it had the best gameplay in the series.


It's an RPG. It can have the best gameplay in the universe yet still be painfully unplayable if the story elements fail on every level. They're a different beast than any other game genre in that regard.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on January 16, 2012, 04:52:47 PM
I tried the demo, its an improvement over the original, though it still feels like  the game is playing itself. At least I can switch leaders at any given moment but its still not the total control I wanted. The QTEs, while kind of fun, just seem like a desperate attempt to give the player more interaction during battles without having to rework the entire system.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 16, 2012, 06:23:43 PM
Surprised at FFX-2 hate, it had the best gameplay in the series.


It's an RPG. It can have the best gameplay in the universe yet still be painfully unplayable if the story elements fail on every level. They're a different beast than any other game genre in that regard.
Yet there are many RPGs with shit stories that are beloved for great gameplay, FFX-2 is no different. And it's not like FFX-2's story totally failed; the latter half of the game has some seriously good story beats, particularly Paine's backstory.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on January 16, 2012, 08:14:43 PM
Yet there are many RPGs with shit stories that are beloved for great gameplay
Name some of them, cuz I can't think of any. Okay, maybe FFV, but even it is far from "beloved". I think it's pretty much a requirement for an RPG to have a decent story to be highly regarded. Most games are loved and hated due to their story/characters. I can name MANY instances of games with basic/boring/broken gameplay with great stories that are considered timeless centerpieces, none of the reverse.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 16, 2012, 08:25:49 PM
Name some of them, cuz I can't think of any.

Oblivion/Fallout 3 spring to mind! But no, it's more there's RPGs beloved for gameplay despite story not being the vocal point or barely existent (Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Etrian Odyssey, Diablo). It's harder and more subjective to think of examples with AWFUL stories, even FFV is arguably an improve over FFIV in that regard, and FFIV got a lot of people into RPGs partially because of the story. That, and they're still GAMES so they need to keep in mind what they're supposed to be going for and design appropriately, but that's another topic entirely.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 16, 2012, 08:41:52 PM
In addition to what was said above re-read my post and notice I didn't say 'X-2's' story failed completely; I was talking about the genre in general.

As I said before X-2's story is passable, but only without the elements of X's world or the characters; since they pretty much squashed that into a ball of dung in order to make it pass through the story's round hole (square peg analogy).

Additionally while X-2's battle system is fun it is hardly one of the greatest or most engaging by far, as such it is not nearly enough to make up for the faults story-side.

And I'm actually with Prime Mover on this; name some of these 'many' beloved titles. Keep in mind 'a niche group of fans likes this' and 'beloved' are completely different things. Beloved indicated a large partition of the target audience would speak fondly of a game at any given moment.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on January 16, 2012, 08:48:23 PM
Yeah, I'm not including RPGs with non-existant stories, because there are quite a few of those, and you can't fault a game for something that it doesn't even try to have.

I would disagree with Fallout 3, completely. When we talk "story" in RPGs, we're usually talking about the all-encompassing narrative elements, this extends to setting, style, plot, dialog, characters, etc. Fallout 3 is probably best known for it's setting, style, and fun non-linear dialog. I wouldn't say it's particularly lauded for it's gameplay, though that's not bad. And I would hardly say that there's even anything particularly bad about the story, besides the ending. All of the other games in that list I've heard positive comments regarding some section of the narrative, even if the main focus is on gameplay.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on January 16, 2012, 09:35:06 PM
Wasn't F3's ending 'fixed' when they
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retconned it through DLC? I haven't had a chance to snag that GotY version yet and see for myself.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 16, 2012, 09:43:32 PM
I would disagree with Fallout 3, completely.

That IS highlighting the other angle here, it's largely subjective whether a narrative is good or not, and admittedly Fallout 3 isn't THAT bad, just poorly thought out at several points. Though I think it's less that a good story's essential and more that if the story is really, REALLY bad and prevalent enough to be an issue it is symptomatic of a poorly developed game period. tri-Ace are probably the closest at being an out and out exception, and even then SO3 isn't as highly regarded as SO2 in regards to gameplay, and SO4 even less so than 2/3.

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All of the other games in that list I've heard positive comments regarding some section of the narrative, even if the main focus is on gameplay.

Well, that was what I was getting at there. I can think of plenty of RPGs where story doesn't matter that much and are very highly praised, so a good story period is hardly essential, but it IS harder to think of highly praised ones in spite of a widely hated story. Actually, despite stating tri-Ace above FFX-2 and some other series entires probably are the best examples there, they STILL get rave reviews and millions sold, so either a bad story isn't that big of a deal or they manage to do it well enough that ENOUGH people like it, with everyone else either doing their best to deal with it to get at the gameplay or straight up abandoning it.

Wasn't F3's ending 'fixed' when they retconned it through DLC? I haven't had a chance to snag that GotY version yet and see for myself.

Snipping the spoiler out there since 1. It's not a very serious spoiler given it's actively ADVERTISED as doing that, and 2. I don't care to type up a response in a spoiler box for something that inconsequential.

Anyways, no, it did about as much good as a bandaid over a knife stab, the only actual fix it did was remove one really dumb logic flaw. It's more that A LOT of people wanted it to be like Oblivion where they could keep adventuring post-ending, and that honestly the ending really wasn't the kind of thing to justify locking you out of that unlike, say, quite a few JRPG endings would've been actually. I think adopting that as the philosophy for ALL their games would be bad given it could limit your story telling potential significantly and it's easy enough to just give you a save just before the point of no return, but in this case they may as well have.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Zik on January 17, 2012, 03:10:28 AM
Games like F3 and Oblivion/Skyrim aren't about the story at all, but more about the exploration and immersion, in my opinion. Well I never cared about the story in any of those games and I still loved them and the story is usually an important point for me.

On another note, 15 days before we can get our hands on FFXIII-2. Not that I actually care that much about reviews, but ive seen 4 notes so far on the game and it got : 40/40 from Famitsu, as almost everybody here already know, 9/10 on OXM (Official Xbox Magazine), 8/10 on POM (Playstation Official Magazine) and 8/10 on Game Informer.

As for the NA pre-orders :

290,000 PS3 copies and less than 90,000 for the X360.

Thats it for your daily stats hehe.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 17, 2012, 04:14:14 AM
Thats it for your daily stats hehe.

Please don't go posting VGChartz numbers, they make them all up.

As for Bethesda's games: I WOULD say story's a key focus, especially since most hand made quests are all little storylines, and not just collecting a bunch of crap to turn in.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: PotRoast on January 17, 2012, 08:33:32 AM
Have to agree, F3 and Oblivion had terrible plots. I honestly can't remember anything about the latter's since it was so incredibly bland I didn't even bother trying to complete it and instead focused on the side quests. I liked both these games because of the loot whoring. Really, in F3 nothing was more satisfying than going into a random house and finding a treasure trove of stims, ammo, guns, etc. It was the satisfaction of finding these that kept me playing.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 17, 2012, 08:46:24 AM
I'm kinda disappointed so many of you are on a plot-basis for game enjoyment.  As far as I'm concerned, there are too many bad game plots to really focus on just the story.  While I agree a good plot is best for the overall enjoyment, it's not what makes it if, like a "game" is, it's not fun to play. 

I hope you guys aren't walking into 13-2 expecting a good plot, I think that fact ran off as soon as they said the plot would shift from some muddled-fantasy story to an anything-goes, "because time travel did-it", plot.  Furthermore, it clearly shows a lack of focus, dedication, and even love for their initial "world" and setting.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 17, 2012, 01:08:23 PM
Have to agree, F3 and Oblivion had terrible plots. I honestly can't remember anything about the latter's since it was so incredibly bland I didn't even bother trying to complete it and instead focused on the side quests. I liked both these games because of the loot whoring. Really, in F3 nothing was more satisfying than going into a random house and finding a treasure trove of stims, ammo, guns, etc. It was the satisfaction of finding these that kept me playing.

If I remember correctly Oblivion's plot basically consisted of turning yourself into such a badass that you get dibs on the front row seats to the battle between whatever God allegory and whatever Satan allegory they used in that game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on January 17, 2012, 03:44:17 PM
Grrrr, people are defining "story" too narrowly, IMO. The #1 praise I hear about most games is "immersion", or "style", or "environment". I consider that more connected to "story" than "gameplay", since gameplay refers mostly to the battle system, skill system, etc.

MOST RPGs have TERRIBLE stories
Many RPGs have great atmosphere/environments that make up for the lack of good story
some RPGs have good gameplay.

I should ammend my original comment, and clarify that you cannot have a highly regarded RPG without EITHER a good story or a good immersive environment. That no game I can think of is highly regarded for its gameplay ALONE.

For instance, most people here (myself included) agree that FFXIIIs story was shit. However, I think there's a lot more variance about how the game felt. Quite a few of us really liked the experience and style of the gameworld, regardless of the story. Many of us are looking forward to FFXIII-2 because it seems to expand even more on those aspects. It's story is most likely going to be canned crap, and it's gameplay will be more or less the same. But if it can really pull off the environment and atmosphere, than I think it will be a very enjoyable game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 17, 2012, 07:46:03 PM
That no game I can think of is highly regarded for its gameplay ALONE.

Nethack qualifies, given Roguelikes helped create the genre in the first place. Story's an excuse to go into a randomly generated dungeon, and everything in it is generic fantasy stuff represented by ascii characters so you can't even pull out the graphics card (or the music one for that matter). Though honestly I don't think you can easily pinpoint why a game is GOOD in many cases. Oblivion came close to that example too, but the base gameplay is kind of limp too actually compared to alternatives and the graphics were PRETTY GOOD for its time, and would still stand out if character modeling were less hideous, so that's more a case where the sum is greater than the individual parts, and similar applies to other Bethesda RPGs too.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on January 24, 2012, 09:17:09 PM
So I downloaded the demo and attempted to play it.  My impressions:

After Liara Lightning says a few lines, the camera zooms in to what I guess is some kind of portal.  The first impression I get of my new adventuring team is what I guess was supposed to be a totally sugoi "kupo" from the moogle now emerging from said portal, but sounded more like "uguuuu~" instead.  Serah and male-Yuna say a couple of lines about Cocoon while doing awkward Japanese poses that keep me from taking their games and anime seriously.  They then scamper off followed by their stupid moogle uttering another "uguuuu~" once more for good measure.

Then I turned the game off.  I'll wait for Mass Effect 3, thanks.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 24, 2012, 09:22:02 PM
Yeah, the core game's undeniably better by merit of not just being a hallway with a bunch of battles, but the presentation is... uhh...

Man, you didn't even get to Chocolina.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Parn on January 24, 2012, 09:35:26 PM
I don't even want to know.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 24, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
I don't even want to know.
Oh cmon, she's no worse than any other mascot in a video game. At least she's a chocobo cosplay and not a sexy moogle.....god that would be weird.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 24, 2012, 09:59:55 PM
Oh cmon, she's no worse than any other mascot in a video game. At least she's a chocobo cosplay and not a sexy moogle.....god that would be weird.

Who is your merchant, meaning like it or not you'll have to keep interacting with her. Her voice is also kinda grating.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 24, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
Oh cmon, she's no worse than any other mascot in a video game. At least she's a chocobo cosplay and not a sexy moogle.....god that would be weird.

Who is your merchant, meaning like it or not you'll have to keep interacting with her. Her voice is also kinda grating.

I'm Chocolina~♥♥

Main thing that makes me sad: lack of 1-sec FMV for status portraits.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Cyril on January 24, 2012, 11:57:31 PM
Glad I'm not the only one who liked the FMV status screens.  I found them distracting and would just tab between characters to watch it, haha.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on January 25, 2012, 12:00:21 AM
I liked them too, but FFXIII's game structure was kind of like a really pretty laptop with a nice chassis and outer shell, and a beautiful monitor.

Then when you boot up the computer it can only run Windows ME.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 25, 2012, 04:32:40 AM
from andriasang: Mega Lightning Download Content Coming to Final Fantasy XIII-2 (http://andriasang.com/comzqz/ffxiii2_lightning_dlc/)

And FFX HD seems that it's going to take a while but not as much as Versus XIII (I hope).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on January 25, 2012, 02:10:43 PM
Glad I'm not the only one who liked the FMV status screens.  I found them distracting and would just tab between characters to watch it, haha.

I also liked it!
Maybe they thought it wouldn't be worth the trouble only to cycle through two characters, OR they though they'd have to do the same for every monster in your party and thought it would be too much work.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 25, 2012, 07:42:13 PM
Just dropped 20 bucks for the CE preorder at lamestop. Soundtrack ftw. Plus, yeah first ff game I've I've been excited for since war of the lions (tactics remake on psp).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lard on January 25, 2012, 10:03:46 PM
We all know there's going to be at least one re-release of this down the road. I'm content to wait til then.

All this pre-order at different stores for different content rigamarole is just aggravating.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 25, 2012, 11:25:23 PM
We all know there's going to be at least one re-release of this down the road. I'm content to wait til then.

That'll be Japanese exclusive. It WOULD be nice if SE wisened up of course, but this isn't Bethesda where they reliably release GotY versions, so I'm not going to count on it. At worst, well, I don't see the GotY/International edition having the soundtrack with it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on January 26, 2012, 07:39:53 PM
I just read this review from PlayStation Life Style (http://playstationlifestyle.net/2012/01/26/ps3-review-final-fantasy-xiii-2/) and while they gave it a not so great score, the review itself it really good, especially for those on the fence. It actually seems like the reviewer liked the game a lot more than what the number represent.

He claims at one point this may be the worst story the series have ever had, which is never a good thing, but it can be overlooked but the good gameplay.
The only thing I didn't like at all is that he ponts aout the Noel turns out to be the same character archtype of Snow (I'm the hero, let's save the world and my friend).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on January 26, 2012, 08:29:48 PM
Meh, the only FF game to ever have a great story was FF9, IMO. Even the best of the rest (FFX) is only good when compared to other FF titles and many games, but from an overarching standpoint, was still pretty lame. So, if I played RPGs for the plot, I would be an ass. A wonderful world to explore is paramount, good characters and dialog is an added bonus.

Noel being like Snow? Snow didn't bother me because he was "let's save the world and be heros", what boethered me was that beneath his hulky exterior, he was a whiny little bitch that made Tidus look noble:

"SSEEEEERRRRAAAHHHHH!!!!!!"

As long as Noel stays away from that, I probably won't mind. After all, show me a game that DOESN'T have a character that fits that description?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 26, 2012, 10:04:54 PM
I just read this review from PlayStation Life Style (http://playstationlifestyle.net/2012/01/26/ps3-review-final-fantasy-xiii-2/) and while they gave it a not so great score, the review itself it really good, especially for those on the fence. It actually seems like the reviewer liked the game a lot more than what the number represent.

He claims at one point this may be the worst story the series have ever had, which is never a good thing, but it can be overlooked but the good gameplay.
The only thing I didn't like at all is that he ponts aout the Noel turns out to be the same character archtype of Snow (I'm the hero, let's save the world and my friend).
They'd definitely exaggerating about Noel, borderline false. He's way, way more likable than Snow while sharing some similar aesthetics (he doesn't rant about being a hero, for one).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yggdrasil on January 26, 2012, 10:17:50 PM
Is like people is inventing reasons to hate on the game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 27, 2012, 05:32:02 PM
IGN gave her an 8/10.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on January 27, 2012, 05:39:46 PM
Also loved the FMV cut-ins. (But I also loved XIII proper, so...)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 27, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
Puzzling review since they claimed it was a better game than FFXIII.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Cyril on January 27, 2012, 06:38:34 PM
Puzzling review since they claimed it was a better game than FFXIII.

I didn't feel they justified their points well.  What I got from the review was basically "the game has a good battle system, is no longer linear, and its story is terrible. Oh, and shiny graphics."

I would have liked to have seen mention of the FPS - I played both the 360 and PS3 demos and both had some minor FPS drops. Not gamebreaking - just noticable and nowhere near Skyrim/DS level, and was wondering if they were in the full game.  The lack of mention of music at all during the main review other than a blurb irked me, because some of the music is quite brilliant.  I'd have liked to have read some comments about character/enemy balance - which XIII got completely wrong - as well.

Ah well. Maybe I'm just expecting too much, especially if the author is limited in his word count.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Legaia on January 27, 2012, 09:59:22 PM
So I just saw the XIII-2 trailer...game looks like it will play like crap.

But I wasn't expecting anything different.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 28, 2012, 06:18:45 AM
So I just saw the XIII-2 trailer...game looks like it will play like crap.

But I wasn't expecting anything different.
What are you talking about?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Legaia on January 28, 2012, 08:45:16 AM
So I just saw the XIII-2 trailer...game looks like it will play like crap.

But I wasn't expecting anything different.
What are you talking about?

You tell me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Uru on January 28, 2012, 10:39:53 AM
I heard the chocobo riding theme - worst. OST. ever.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Taelus on January 28, 2012, 12:22:37 PM
Can't agree with worst OST ever. The soundtrack is actually full of really awesome music. And there are two Chocobo themes, and one of them isn't an abomination.

The other one is, though :)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: VampiricDragon_ on January 28, 2012, 12:32:34 PM
I feel like ive been spoiled with ff this gen


My favorite ff action game, tactics game, old school game, remake, rts, are all from this gen

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 28, 2012, 06:27:29 PM
I heard the chocobo riding theme - worst. OST. ever.
Anyone who spent even a modicum of time researching it would know that it's an intentional joke track that you never have to listen to if you don't want to.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: VampiricDragon_ on January 28, 2012, 06:47:50 PM
Anyone play this yet?


I am 20 hours into the japanese version and want to talk about it
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Ashton on January 28, 2012, 06:48:52 PM
As long as you mark spoilers with the code tag, you can talk about it. Just remember to use the code tag.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: VampiricDragon_ on January 28, 2012, 07:32:54 PM
well i want to talk with someone whose played it. And discuss how they felt about certain things
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Uru on January 28, 2012, 09:30:06 PM
Ive heard the other tracks, and they werent memorable. I think it just blew me away how they would even make a song like that for final fantasy. The Leona Lewis thing was bad enough but this is like rubbing salt in the wound.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 28, 2012, 09:53:44 PM
Ive heard the other tracks, and they werent memorable. I think it just blew me away how they would even make a song like that for final fantasy. The Leona Lewis thing was bad enough but this is like rubbing salt in the wound.
You'd be surprised how much this OST grows on you -- it's a supremely phenomenal effort.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: VampiricDragon_ on January 28, 2012, 10:00:53 PM
the sound track is great
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 28, 2012, 10:05:46 PM
Ive heard the other tracks, and they werent memorable. I think it just blew me away how they would even make a song like that for final fantasy. The Leona Lewis thing was bad enough but this is like rubbing salt in the wound.
You'd be surprised how much this OST grows on you -- it's a supremely phenomenal effort.

It's better to hear a lot of OSTs in context, I find.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Cyril on January 28, 2012, 10:14:10 PM
Everyone's making a big deal about tracks like Invisible Invaders and the rock chocobo theme, but what about the lovelier tracks, like Eclipse? That song blew me away.  Yeul's Theme is a very good ballad and I also like some of the vocal backgrounds, Ruined Hometown/New Bodhum/Starting Over/Parallel World and so on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3aB92PW9Qw

Actually, I really like the background music and the first ~minute in Invisible Invaders; I'm jealous that the Asian version gets it without the rap.  Without the rap I might be tempted to call it one of my favorite songs in the OST.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 28, 2012, 10:57:52 PM
They removed the "rap" (it's seriously not rap, it's free verse poetry) from Invisible Invaders in the US version.

Though I think both Invisible Invaders and its Aggressive Mix are just fantastic BGM.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Cyril on January 28, 2012, 11:05:21 PM
My issue with the purely instrumental version is that they took out the Ar tonelico-like ambient sounds and mechanical voices, which is why I liked the song.  I'm not a big of the pretentious "poetry" or "lyrics" or "rap" in the first place, but the rest of the song is great.

So perhaps I'm being picky, but I feel like both versions could have been better.  Really though, the distaste for the OST is entirely overblown.  I think most people haven't even listened to it.

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 29, 2012, 12:32:19 AM
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/01/28/final-fantasy-xiii-2-review-fixing-the-past/

Joystiq's review.  A good one too, and I think very important in terms of the "Final Fantasy series" in general.

"Ultimately, if Final Fantasy XIII took the series five steps back, Final Fantasy XIII-2 takes it one hesitant step forward. Features like non-linear dungeons, optional side quests and NPC-populated towns are wonderful and all, but they were RPG staples twenty years ago. While Final Fantasy XIII-2 does quite a bit to fix the mistakes of its predecessor, it does very little to stand out on its own merits. It's enjoyable, but it's also disappointing in many ways. Final Fantasy deserves better."
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 29, 2012, 02:18:15 AM
In all fairness, most of the rpgs of the last five years have been less than phenominal. Trails in the sky, radiant historia, and mass effect 1 and 2 were really the only 4 I can call really impressive. FF has been letting its fans down for some time now, with sloppy game after sloppy game and a dozen fucking remakes. XIII-2 I think is the first new (ish) ff game in the last 5 years that actually makes me remember what I like about rpgs so far, a good grasp of everything. Good battle system, stuff to do, pretty graphics, good tunes, funny characters, the works. I'll say outright, XIII-2 is far from groundbreaking, but it's doing something that no FF game has done for some time...be pretty decent overall. Nothing is lagging too terribly on it (the story doesn't seem that lame yet...). Call me a fanboy, but I still am excited about this, not cuz it's wowomgfuckwinsuperneato, but because it is doing things right again.

Now maybe square enix will take a daring step further ahead and make the next main character of a ff game a badass through and through. Kind of like shepard in mass effect, or even better... Ryudo from grandia 2 for the first 65% of the game. God he was awesome. A good, strong willed protagonist who doesn't take nonsense from people, isn't in it for the greater good, and simply does what he has to because he has to. Oh, and he has to like kids. I don't know what it is, but badass heroes who like kids are such a positive mark for me. See some burly, grizzly, Barret from ffvii looking mofo playing with a bunch of kids. Not like that pussy Cloud who only played with a kid to get points with Tifa (or Barrett if you were swinging that way...).


....I'm bored, so I typed a lot.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 29, 2012, 05:22:57 AM
In all fairness, most of the rpgs of the last five years have been less than phenominal. Trails in the sky, radiant historia, and mass effect 1 and 2 were really the only 4 I can call really impressive. FF has been letting its fans down for some time now, with sloppy game after sloppy game and a dozen fucking remakes. XIII-2 I think is the first new (ish) ff game in the last 5 years that actually makes me remember what I like about rpgs so far, a good grasp of everything. Good battle system, stuff to do, pretty graphics, good tunes, funny characters, the works. I'll say outright, XIII-2 is far from groundbreaking, but it's doing something that no FF game has done for some time...be pretty decent overall. Nothing is lagging too terribly on it (the story doesn't seem that lame yet...). Call me a fanboy, but I still am excited about this, not cuz it's wowomgfuckwinsuperneato, but because it is doing things right again.

Now maybe square enix will take a daring step further ahead and make the next main character of a ff game a badass through and through. Kind of like shepard in mass effect, or even better... Ryudo from grandia 2 for the first 65% of the game. God he was awesome. A good, strong willed protagonist who doesn't take nonsense from people, isn't in it for the greater good, and simply does what he has to because he has to. Oh, and he has to like kids. I don't know what it is, but badass heroes who like kids are such a positive mark for me. See some burly, grizzly, Barret from ffvii looking mofo playing with a bunch of kids. Not like that pussy Cloud who only played with a kid to get points with Tifa (or Barrett if you were swinging that way...).


....I'm bored, so I typed a lot.
I agree with you, FFXIII-2 is a step in the right direction, something I haven't seen from the series since X-2's battle system.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on January 29, 2012, 12:46:57 PM
Now maybe square enix will take a daring step further ahead and make the next main character of a ff game a badass through and through.

I'm not holding my breath considering the ero looking guy they gave us for Versus.  Also there seems to be a possibility that the next FF game will be FFX13-3 so I'm guessing a good protagonist is out of the question.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on January 29, 2012, 03:46:41 PM
I was finally able to play the demo yesterday (moved back into my cabin where I could hook my 360 to my router). I'm really impressed! Tuesday can't come any sooner. It's weird playing in FF13s engine, and actually be able to go around and talk to people. I sorta wish they had gotten rid of that big gaudy "TALK" graphic that pops up, though. It was okay in FF13 where speaking to an NPC was some huge, awe-inspiring event. But now that town wondering is back and commonplace, it's kinda intrusive. However, in any case, I'm really digging the feel, I think it sets FF13 back into place the few things that really made it feel strange. I was also concerned that Serah is the lead, she was such a plot device, sickly girl in the first game. But they've done a good job developing her visually and narratively (except she's still too damned skinny!) so I find I don't have a problem with it. In fact, it's uncanny how well they made her look remenicient of Lightning.

Chocolina is scary though. Would have been completely okay had she been a one-time event. But she's EVERYWHERE, and that's frightening.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 29, 2012, 05:12:38 PM
Now maybe square enix will take a daring step further ahead and make the next main character of a ff game a badass through and through.

I'm not holding my breath considering the ero looking guy they gave us for Versus.  Also there seems to be a possibility that the next FF game will be FFX13-3 so I'm guessing a good protagonist is out of the question.
Noel is a surprisingly good protagonist, honestly.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: VampiricDragon_ on January 29, 2012, 10:23:10 PM
the next ff that comes out in english is type zero and then bravely default
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 29, 2012, 11:26:19 PM
Fuck my life, was super excited to get ffxiii-2 tuesday morning. Now I'm stuck working 9 til possibly 9 maybe later depending on how quickly I can mount a 60inch plasma tv by myself. Even tried rescheduling to get tuesday off...no go. Sadface.exe :(
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 29, 2012, 11:29:26 PM
Fuck my life, was super excited to get ffxiii-2 tuesday morning. Now I'm stuck working 9 til possibly 9 maybe later depending on how quickly I can mount a 60inch plasma tv by myself. Even tried rescheduling to get tuesday off...no go. Sadface.exe :(

I'm in the same boat.  Wednesday.  Probably won't eve be playing it that day or the next.... fuck my life.

Let's go complain and moan in grief together.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: VampiricDragon_ on January 29, 2012, 11:29:36 PM
Fuck my life, was super excited to get ffxiii-2 tuesday morning. Now I'm stuck working 9 til possibly 9 maybe later depending on how quickly I can mount a 60inch plasma tv by myself. Even tried rescheduling to get tuesday off...no go. Sadface.exe :(

Thats what I love about being my own boss.

If I want a day off I get it
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 29, 2012, 11:35:05 PM
Fuck my life, was super excited to get ffxiii-2 tuesday morning. Now I'm stuck working 9 til possibly 9 maybe later depending on how quickly I can mount a 60inch plasma tv by myself. Even tried rescheduling to get tuesday off...no go. Sadface.exe :(

I'm in the same boat.  Wednesday.  Probably won't eve be playing it that day or the next.... fuck my life.

Let's go complain and moan in grief together.
Can't, working that day and the day after. Can I take a raincheck?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 30, 2012, 12:01:54 AM
Fuck my life, was super excited to get ffxiii-2 tuesday morning. Now I'm stuck working 9 til possibly 9 maybe later depending on how quickly I can mount a 60inch plasma tv by myself. Even tried rescheduling to get tuesday off...no go. Sadface.exe :(

I'm in the same boat.  Wednesday.  Probably won't eve be playing it that day or the next.... fuck my life.

Let's go complain and moan in grief together.
Can't, working that day and the day after. Can I take a raincheck?

S'all good... I'm studying my ass off for midterm.  Occasional moaning/grieving PMs? :P
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 30, 2012, 12:05:12 AM
Sounds good. It'll be like brunch, only less mimosas and more complaining about life and how the men our lives treat us like dirt. We're worth so much more!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 30, 2012, 12:11:39 AM
Sounds good. It'll be like brunch, only less mimosas and more complaining about life and how the men our lives treat us like dirt. We're worth so much more!

"We really should do this more often, huh?" I said as I had a sip of my espresso and ate a few leaves of my chicken caesar salad.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 30, 2012, 12:42:03 AM
"Maybe we'll hit the spa, full facials and massages. We deserve it, girlfriend", I replied, while twirling a fork into my sauteed broccoli rabe.


I am a terrible role player, I'm better at playing the games.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 30, 2012, 12:48:19 AM
By most accounts you're creating a better story than FFXIII-2 has anyway.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 30, 2012, 12:50:10 AM
By most accounts you're creating a better story than FFXIII-2 has anyway.

More natural than "It's by turn to change the future...!".
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 30, 2012, 01:08:03 AM
By most accounts you're creating a better story than FFXIII-2 has anyway.

Wait, the next part was coming up....

I realized that I am an overweight, grungy dude who's idea of a facial is an electric razor and a shower, and then to my surprise...I was eating broccoli rabe. "I hate broccoli rabe" I thought, everything becoming slightly fuzzy. I look across the table and see the lovely Dice sitting there, and it hit me again "she's a pretty lady who likes video games, none of this makes sense". I didn't have to say the words, I already knew what was happening....

Terrible fanfiction (temporal paradox was already taken)!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 30, 2012, 01:31:15 AM
It was in this strange moment that D. tnegA, whom I had been spending a lovely afternoon with, had decided to change the pace.  Things changed in mere moments.  D. tnegA stood up, withdrew a gun from what felt like out of nowhere from his front, and another from a sock as he lifted his left leg and shot at someone in the distance.  Shocked by this sudden outburst, I turn around before I have the time to think what is happening, and see an assailant collapsing who himself had a machine gun and machete drawn out.

"What is happening?!" I yelled out.

"Dice," D. tnegA said, "There is no time to explain.  Come with me, we have to save Gotham York Metroville from nuclear Holocaust.  Trust me... my true identity is.... the infamous Agent D."

I gasped, but under the threat of fire at the cafe, I hesitantly took a step forward with the super agent, Agent D.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on January 30, 2012, 01:41:05 AM
F- for tense inconsistency.

Still more than what I expect out of FFXIII-2s script. =P
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 30, 2012, 01:44:06 AM
F- for tense inconsistency.

Still more than what I expect out of FFXIII-2s script. =P

I'm writing a paper meanwhile.  All my prose and grammar and focus is typing that.  My escapade with Agent... was because my mind is melting from the bullshit I'm writing.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 30, 2012, 02:33:14 AM
F- for tense inconsistency.

Still more than what I expect out of FFXIII-2s script. =P

I'm writing a paper meanwhile.  All my prose and grammar and focus is typing that.  My escapade with Agent... was because my mind is melting from the bullshit I'm writing.
I was going to continue it, but my mind flew faster than my touchscreen smartphone keyboard could keep up with. I somehow turned it into a james bond skit with a murderous midget and you pulling a gun on me. Even better, I had written this line

"Gotham York Metroville, more assholes than Jersey Shore but 10x the fire power".

I tried writing Gotham York Metroville in abbreviated format only to realize it was GYM, and then I looked at that line. I lol'd on the inside.

Dice can I join your fanclub?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on January 30, 2012, 02:41:37 AM
That sounds like a brilliant story and the formula for Bond-gold!!

I think we're on to something we can pitch, certainly if they make half the crap they do into movies, our story can be superb.  Let's save GYM.

And yes!!!  A fanclub... at last!  Population of Diceland: 2.

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 30, 2012, 03:07:57 AM
I think I have a Bond girl name for you. Detective February Love. Working on a catchphrase as we spe....err type.

Edit: How's this?

"Cold, brutal, and faster than any other, just like the month I'm named after".


..work in progress.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 30, 2012, 03:40:55 AM
F- for tense inconsistency.

Still more than what I expect out of FFXIII-2s script. =P
XIII-2 has surprisingly natural dialogue and some pretty good characterization overall; it's just hampered by a wildly incoherent plot.

With an awesome ending, IMO.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on January 30, 2012, 04:17:29 AM
F- for tense inconsistency.

Still more than what I expect out of FFXIII-2s script. =P
XIII-2 has surprisingly natural dialogue and some pretty good characterization overall; it's just hampered by a wildly incoherent plot.

With an awesome ending, IMO.
I thought there were multiple (non canonical) endings?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on January 30, 2012, 01:01:22 PM
I think I have a Bond girl name for you. Detective February Love. Working on a catchphrase as we spe....err type.
Ya sure? That sounds more like Dragnet then Bond.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on January 30, 2012, 01:12:24 PM
It's probably been discussed but does anything carry over from a 13-1 save?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: VampiricDragon_ on January 30, 2012, 01:12:58 PM
nthin that important
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on January 30, 2012, 01:19:03 PM
Adding on to the list of unimportantness: I was just preordering Amalur, ME3 collectors at bestbuy and almost made a FF13-2 impulse grab. Thankfully they're out of stock on the PS3 CE edition.

This is a good game for me to get when it's $15, see you later thread until then!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Klyde Chroma on January 30, 2012, 05:41:18 PM
Adding on to the list of unimportantness: I was just preordering Amalur, ME3 collectors at bestbuy and almost made a FF13-2 impulse grab. Thankfully they're out of stock on the PS3 CE edition.

This is a good game for me to get when it's $15, see you later thread until then!

I'm thinking that I'm gonna hold off too.... This will be the first FF I haven't bought on the day of release since 7.....
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 30, 2012, 05:56:24 PM
F- for tense inconsistency.

Still more than what I expect out of FFXIII-2s script. =P
XIII-2 has surprisingly natural dialogue and some pretty good characterization overall; it's just hampered by a wildly incoherent plot.

With an awesome ending, IMO.
I thought there were multiple (non canonical) endings?
There are, but most people bitch about the canonical one because it isn't what they wanted.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: kyuusei on January 31, 2012, 01:34:00 AM
John's review went up earlier:

http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/Final_Fantasy_XIII-2/index.html
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 31, 2012, 02:42:55 AM
http://www.twitch.tv/rahxephon91

English stream

It was also confirmed that Lt. Amodar (Capt. Cryptic in XIII-2) joins Lightning midway through her Colosseum fight in the DLC, so we can assume he might also be recruitable.

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Uru on January 31, 2012, 09:44:47 AM
I'm looking forward to hearing your guys' impressions of the game. Please keep us posted!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: VampiricDragon_ on January 31, 2012, 10:53:11 AM
the game is good


end impression
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on January 31, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
F- for tense inconsistency.

Still more than what I expect out of FFXIII-2s script. =P
XIII-2 has surprisingly natural dialogue and some pretty good characterization overall; it's just hampered by a wildly incoherent plot.

With an awesome ending, IMO.
I thought there were multiple (non canonical) endings?
There are, but most people bitch about the canonical one because it isn't what they wanted.

How easy is it to get the other endings? Easily reached by key save points, or are we talking CT-esque 'play the whole game  over' madness?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 31, 2012, 11:52:00 AM
F- for tense inconsistency.

Still more than what I expect out of FFXIII-2s script. =P
XIII-2 has surprisingly natural dialogue and some pretty good characterization overall; it's just hampered by a wildly incoherent plot.

With an awesome ending, IMO.
I thought there were multiple (non canonical) endings?
There are, but most people bitch about the canonical one because it isn't what they wanted.

How easy is it to get the other endings? Easily reached by key save points, or are we talking CT-esque 'play the whole game  over' madness?
Pretty easy. Most of them involve using a certain fragment in certain eras to unlock new cutscenes/nodes, since a few of the nodes you see on the Historia Crux are the paradox endings.

You'll need to get some of the paradox endings anyway, as they give you Fragments.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: John on January 31, 2012, 12:21:47 PM
F- for tense inconsistency.

Still more than what I expect out of FFXIII-2s script. =P
XIII-2 has surprisingly natural dialogue and some pretty good characterization overall; it's just hampered by a wildly incoherent plot.

With an awesome ending, IMO.
I thought there were multiple (non canonical) endings?
There are, but most people bitch about the canonical one because it isn't what they wanted.

How easy is it to get the other endings? Easily reached by key save points, or are we talking CT-esque 'play the whole game  over' madness?

Actually, this sort of thing is handled really well by FFXIII-2.  Once you've gotten to a certain point with a particular node, you can turn back time and replay the node.  So you want to make another choice or do another thing?  Just play that node over.  I only kept one save with XIII-2, which is something I never do, because I didn't need another.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 31, 2012, 01:16:53 PM
I only kept one save with XIII-2, which is something I never do, because I didn't need another.

From what I hear you wouldn't have been allowed another anyway.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: John on January 31, 2012, 01:26:11 PM
I only kept one save with XIII-2, which is something I never do, because I didn't need another.

From what I hear you wouldn't have been allowed another anyway.

Not true; you can branch off your saves when you're in the Historia Crux, just not when you are in a node.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Fei on January 31, 2012, 01:27:35 PM
Good timing on the release of this game... I need a short break from Star Wars: The Old Republic... and by break, I mean maybe I'll cut out two hours a night for a palette cleansing PS3 JRPG.

Strange how that is seriously my reasoning, considering I have no personal interest in Serah and Noel's happenings.  I really just want a change of pace, and anything with high production value and different mechanics sounds good to me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on January 31, 2012, 01:50:59 PM
John's review went up earlier:

http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/Final_Fantasy_XIII-2/index.html

A nice review! I had pre-ordered the game because I had a coupon so I'm glad to see that even those that had some issues woth XIII enjoyed it, because since I liked XIII I might enjoy it a lot more!

Sad thing is waiting for it to arrive given how post office has been in my country. At least I got Dark Souls to occupy myself with. If it takes too long I might even try and go for the platinum trophy.

Just one thing I'm a little disappointed is that in more than one review I read that the game lasts about 25 hours. Sure one can make it longer if he wants tonbut ifmyou are enjoying it you can't help but want a little more.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on January 31, 2012, 02:33:54 PM
I only kept one save with XIII-2, which is something I never do, because I didn't need another.

From what I hear you wouldn't have been allowed another anyway.

XIII was the first RPG in a very long time I kept multiple saves for, because of all the beautiful set-pieces.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: John on January 31, 2012, 02:36:10 PM
Just one thing I'm a little disappointed is that in more than one review I read that the game lasts about 25 hours. Sure one can make it longer if he wants tonbut ifmyou are enjoying it you can't help but want a little more.

The way that the game is set up, there's lot of extra content to do and other setpieces to play.  There are FAQs out there for where all of the Wild Artefacts are, and if you play everything, there's at least 40-50 hours of content.  And because the gameplay is what drives the title, not the story, it doesn't feel like you're losing out.  As well, you do have sets of extra content that explore story - one of them that I'm going through now features all of Mog's backstory.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on January 31, 2012, 02:58:54 PM
Listening to the OST... Crazy Chocobo is FUCKING HILLARIOUS! All of the haters out there need to be put into a locked cell with the Brescha Rap, now there's a pooper.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on January 31, 2012, 03:16:47 PM
Just one thing I'm a little disappointed is that in more than one review I read that the game lasts about 25 hours. Sure one can make it longer if he wants tonbut ifmyou are enjoying it you can't help but want a little more.

The way that the game is set up, there's lot of extra content to do and other setpieces to play.  There are FAQs out there for where all of the Wild Artefacts are, and if you play everything, there's at least 40-50 hours of content.  And because the gameplay is what drives the title, not the story, it doesn't feel like you're losing out.  As well, you do have sets of extra content that explore story - one of them that I'm going through now features all of Mog's backstory.

"I used to have a spear, but this crazy green-haired lady stole it."
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on January 31, 2012, 05:34:18 PM
Just one thing I'm a little disappointed is that in more than one review I read that the game lasts about 25 hours. Sure one can make it longer if he wants tonbut ifmyou are enjoying it you can't help but want a little more.

The way that the game is set up, there's lot of extra content to do and other setpieces to play.  There are FAQs out there for where all of the Wild Artefacts are, and if you play everything, there's at least 40-50 hours of content.  And because the gameplay is what drives the title, not the story, it doesn't feel like you're losing out.  As well, you do have sets of extra content that explore story - one of them that I'm going through now features all of Mog's backstory.

"I used to have a spear, but this crazy green-haired lady stole it."

At least your knee is still intact.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on January 31, 2012, 10:40:30 PM
Not true; you can branch off your saves when you're in the Historia Crux, just not when you are in a node.

Ah, I see. Though I think that kind of limitation probably would've curbed interest in keeping multiple saves anyway, especially when seemingly everything's redoable anyway.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on January 31, 2012, 11:31:20 PM
Listening to the OST... Crazy Chocobo is FUCKING HILLARIOUS! All of the haters out there need to be put into a locked cell with the Brescha Rap, now there's a pooper.
For one, it's not rap, it's free verse poetry, and two, it's not included in-game in the US release.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 01, 2012, 01:30:32 AM
Fuck life, I got to failstop an hour late. No ffxiii-2 til wednesday now, the earliest. So fucking angry I could eat ice cubes and shit fireballs.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on February 01, 2012, 01:34:50 AM
So fucking angry I could eat ice cubes and shit fireballs.

Love this!!!!! xD
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 01, 2012, 01:39:22 AM
Even worse, I walked the 2 miles from my house there and back, so I'm still kinda wired from the brisk walk and cool air ( and the 2 arizona iced teas I drank, arnold palmers yo).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 01, 2012, 04:13:14 AM
Relevant to this topic...

http://dailygamesales.com/videogamedeal/soul-calibur-v-and-final-fantasy-xiii-2-price-cuts

10 bucks off ffxiii-2 at newegg til the end if the week. Soul caliber V too but who cares.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on February 01, 2012, 10:41:06 AM
Love the game so far. Wish I'd gotten the BB version with the novel, but ah well(mine's from Amazon with Omega).

Music is unbelievably good. Pure bliss.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on February 01, 2012, 03:12:27 PM
For one, it's not rap, it's free verse poetry, and two, it's not included in-game in the US release.

Rap = Free Verse Poetry + background music.
...unless the music consists of acoustic bass and bongo drums, in which case it's beat poetry.

In any case, whatever it is, it's horrificly bad with terrible rhymes, horribly trite anachronisms, and a monotonous delivery. Thank god it's not in the US release!

But I digress. After playing 90 minutes of the game last night, I'm hooked. I don't know what the fuck people are bitching about, but so far, the writing is a lot more solid then people seem to suggest. Maybe it goes downhill, but if it stays anywhere at the level it's at right now, it deserves a bit less bashing than it's getting. Noel is easily the best male lead since Zydane (not that there's muhc competition), and Serah is shaping up to be a lot better then I thought she would be. I got this game thinking, "it's going to be a bad game that's really fun to play", but instead, I'm starting to think that it's really not a bad game at all.

And the OST keeps on rocking. "Run" (the music the plays during the battle on the beach) is seriously one of the best tunes ever to come out of the series... incredible violin solo! And New Bodhum is similarly amazing. Lots of jazz mixed in with creative electronics, my kind of stuff. The drummer on these recordings is a serious badass, I love his style! Need to check out if these musicians have other bands.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 01, 2012, 03:22:14 PM
THAT'S IT, GETTING THIS NOW, BACK IN 2 HOURS.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Yoda on February 01, 2012, 05:23:20 PM
I might stop off at my neighbor's and see if the CE is pretty enough for me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on February 01, 2012, 05:32:58 PM
I might stop off at my neighbor's and see if the CE is pretty enough for me.

It's not that impressive. Very sparse artbook.

+:
Gorgeous packaging, and it has the OST. Easily worth the $20 for a four disc OST, IMO.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 01, 2012, 06:11:08 PM
Yay I has my game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on February 01, 2012, 08:57:47 PM
Just read the RPGFan review. Sad the story wasn't as good as it could've been, but I'll live. So long as the gameplay's as good as the review suggests, I'll enjoy it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on February 01, 2012, 09:14:28 PM
Sad the story wasn't as good as it could've been

Interesting choice of words.  How good could the story have been, really, given what they were working with and who was working on it...

Sounds to me like the game is exactly what I expected it to be.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on February 01, 2012, 09:29:50 PM
Dude, I'm not sure I can name a single jRPG with a good story. The best you can hope for is at the level of a teenage dime novel.  Seriously, have you ever tried explaining the plot of any RPG to a non-gamer? It's an excercise in self-desecration.  Dialog, yes. Characters, sure. Story? OMGWTF!

Probably the closest I've EVER played with Final Fantasy IX, but even then we're not talking award winning literature here. Point being, the most you can ask for is something not-excruciating, that has other redeaming elements. So far, FFXIII-2 seems to fit those criteria.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on February 01, 2012, 09:53:57 PM
Yay I has my game.

More importantly.... you has pizza.

Discuss.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Mickeymac92 on February 01, 2012, 10:03:30 PM
Dude, I'm not sure I can name a single jRPG with a good story. The best you can hope for is at the level of a teenage dime novel.  Seriously, have you ever tried explaining the plot of any RPG to a non-gamer? It's an excercise in self-desecration.  Dialog, yes. Characters, sure. Story? OMGWTF!

Probably the closest I've EVER played with Final Fantasy IX, but even then we're not talking award winning literature here. Point being, the most you can ask for is something not-excruciating, that has other redeaming elements. So far, FFXIII-2 seems to fit those criteria.

I heavily disagree, but that topic is best saved for another thread.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Annubis on February 01, 2012, 10:05:22 PM
Yay I has my game.

More importantly.... you has pizza.

Discuss.

I once ordered "all-dressed" pizza in New-York and they looked at me with a look of complete ignorance.
They thought I was crazy or something.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: John on February 01, 2012, 10:22:02 PM
Yay I has my game.

More importantly.... you has pizza.

Discuss.

I once ordered "all-dressed" pizza in New-York and they looked at me with a look of complete ignorance.
They thought I was crazy or something.

I have no idea what the hell "all-dressed" pizza is.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on February 01, 2012, 10:52:37 PM
Dude, I'm not sure I can name a single jRPG with a good story. The best you can hope for is at the level of a teenage dime novel.  Seriously, have you ever tried explaining the plot of any RPG to a non-gamer? It's an excercise in self-desecration.  Dialog, yes. Characters, sure. Story? OMGWTF!

Probably the closest I've EVER played with Final Fantasy IX, but even then we're not talking award winning literature here. Point being, the most you can ask for is something not-excruciating, that has other redeaming elements. So far, FFXIII-2 seems to fit those criteria.
This is pretty true, with an addendum of Shadow Hearts and SMT: Nocturne. Everything else is, as you said, a dime novel.

Well, actually, Koudelka is probably the only jRPG that I can think of that transcends the genre in terms of storytelling.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lucca on February 01, 2012, 10:55:13 PM
So fucking angry I could eat ice cubes and shit fireballs.

Somehow, someway, this statement must make its way into my daily conversations.

I love how the live action triggers can make Serah look like the biggest idiot ever....if you wanted to.

"Good Morning, Kupo! :D"

Not really far yet, but I love the music.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 02, 2012, 12:37:29 AM
So far I think the game is quite enjoyable and will definitely be something I work through til the end. However it seems lots of little tiny problems are cropping up and gradually becoming a mountain of issues you can't really ignore when critiquing the game.

Like the lack of any difficulty (I've only done minimal side explorations yet I'm still steam rolling everything, including bosses, with a Com x 2, Rav x 1 formation; only changing over to Com x 1, Med x 2 once in a blue moon), or certain sections of the game which throw you into unavoidable battles literally every 2-3 seconds with crap rewards (looking at you Academia 400 AF...), or the sheer idiocy that went into the decision of "Let's make Mechanical and Biological monsters use different leveling items and make the items for Rank 3 Mechanicals very rare!", or how Chocolina really serves no purpose at all (I'm not talking personality here; her store pretty much almost never updates and when it does the items are far too outdated, weapons being the exception and over half her list of those are useless), or how things which should be in the base game are going to be sold as some of the most mundane DLC in a JRPG to date (Casino games)...

Not only is that scratching the proverbial iceberg but the list grows the more I play. Still; it's better than XIII by a long shot. XD
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on February 02, 2012, 01:18:16 AM
So far I think the game is quite enjoyable and will definitely be something I work through til the end. However it seems lots of little tiny problems are cropping up and gradually becoming a mountain of issues you can't really ignore when critiquing the game.

Like the lack of any difficulty (I've only done minimal side explorations yet I'm still steam rolling everything, including bosses, with a Com x 2, Rav x 1 formation; only changing over to Com x 1, Med x 2 once in a blue moon), or certain sections of the game which throw you into unavoidable battles literally every 2-3 seconds with crap rewards (looking at you Academia 400 AF...), or the sheer idiocy that went into the decision of "Let's make Mechanical and Biological monsters use different leveling items and make the items for Rank 3 Mechanicals very rare!", or how Chocolina really serves no purpose at all (I'm not talking personality here; her store pretty much almost never updates and when it does the items are far too outdated, weapons being the exception and over half her list of those are useless), or how things which should be in the base game are going to be sold as some of the most mundane DLC in a JRPG to date (Casino games)...

Not only is that scratching the proverbial iceberg but the list grows the more I play. Still; it's better than XIII by a long shot. XD

I see that the item crafting system still sucks out loud then.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: mjrpgfan on February 02, 2012, 01:43:26 AM
It was inevitable that they'd reduce the difficulty of the game overall. The amount of complaints and hyperbole in XIII over random encounter difficulty, doom counters, leader death = game over, etc. was fairly significant. Doom counter replaced with a soft 'max HP damage' system that is reversible, you can switch leaders after the leader goes down, random encounters are now easy to splat with little strategy, etc. When most of the reviews state the battles are "faster" or "fast paced" what they mean is they're easier to steamroll instead of having to use appropriate strategy so the battle doesn't take 10x as long and end in a 1 star battle result.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on February 02, 2012, 01:51:57 AM
FFXIII was more like modern shooters though in that if you failed a battle you could just retry it right then and there, not retrace your steps from a save point or whatever. Though at the very least changing Leader Death NEEDED to happen, and it's arguably also justified in that you could more easily screw up your build now given it won't be cheap to bump up other Paradigms if you over specialize, nor does the game waste 20+ hours easing you in like FFXIII did.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 02, 2012, 02:00:15 AM
There's no such think as 'overspecializing' in this game. Well...maybe if you try to go 'dual saboteur/synergist' route. Two reasons:

-Leveling costs are pretty moot. Even hundreds of 'total' levels into the system my upgrades are only costing about 510 a pop. Battles are giving about 100-200 per and quests/boss fights unload some ridiculous amounts at times. So really all you have to do at any given point is just play normally for about 10-15 minutes and you can go up about 10-20 levels depending on where you are.

-Right out the game I pretty much decided to go full Ravenger for Sarah and full Commander for Noel. Leveled up just those 'classes' until I had no more abilities to learn before moving onto the next one. Didn't hamper me one little bit. If anything that might be why the game is way too easy because once you're able to cast Firaga + Fira it's game, set, and match for virtually any random encounter.
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This reminds me of another problem though.

'Retry' sucks. It's pretty much in there so the developers don't have to bother with a 'retreat' system. So if you stumble across the rare enemy that will inevitably kill you due to a massive power imbalance you have to sit through the entire fight and die before getting to move along with your game. It doesn't happen too often but when I have to sit there for 1-2 minutes each time it happens since my monsters eat damage like a tank (even with no supplemental healing)...it adds up to a lot of wasted gameplay in a hurry.

Just give us the good old 'Run Away' option for quick battle resolution and be done with it. XP
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on February 02, 2012, 02:17:27 AM
Just give us the good old 'Run Away' option for quick battle resolution and be done with it. XP

Pause and selecting retry works the same as Run Away would've, though there's the problem of the meter going red and actively BLOCKING retry, I guess until you die? Kinda stupid to me.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 02, 2012, 02:23:49 AM
Ahh; I never tried the pause-Retry in battle. For some reason I kept thinking it meant it would restart the battle itself from scratch. XP
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 02, 2012, 02:39:23 AM
4 and a half hours in, finished bresha ruins. Serah is 40 rav and 8 com and 4 sent, while noel is 40 com and 6 sent and rav ( took role specific bonus at crystarium expansion), and yes, leveling is silly. I like it, but for fucks sake, 50+ levels in 4 hours, I almost feel like I'm playing disgaea. In any case, new chocobo song is pretty lame, as well as the idle chatter from everyone while riding it ("it's huge" or "he's mighty fast"). I do like the standard chatter from everyone while walking though, and the sidequests and simply expansiveness of maps has kept me entertained. I'm sort of pissed atm though, cuz in my demo run, I got like every monster crystal within 2 battles of each monster. This time, I didn't get most of em til after the fourth or fifth. Still don't have a hoplite either (commando bot) which was my main paradigm set up of 2com and serah rav. Oh and the genji bow pre order bonus was so worth it.

Regarding the pizza, did you see the size of that slice next to the box? Fucking monster slices for 3 bucks right down the block from the lamestop I was at. Too bad the pizza tastes like crap, damned mexicans. Also, what the hell is an all dressed pizza? Do mean an everything slice, or as common non new yorkers call it, supreme, or as essentially everyone else calls it with the works? I'm pretty well versed in my pizza lingo having lived in new york for....lets see, 1...2... All my life. Never have I heard that used for any type of pizza, including franchise places like dominos (ungh), sbarros (double ungh), papa john's (gag), and pizza hut (I like the p'zone, which is just a poor excuse for a calzone, and a step below stromboli). And now I'm hungry :(
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: mjrpgfan on February 02, 2012, 03:58:43 AM
FFXIII was more like modern shooters though in that if you failed a battle you could just retry it right then and there, not retrace your steps from a save point or whatever. Though at the very least changing Leader Death NEEDED to happen, and it's arguably also justified in that you could more easily screw up your build now given it won't be cheap to bump up other Paradigms if you over specialize, nor does the game waste 20+ hours easing you in like FFXIII did.
I disagree that FFXIII has a "20+ hour tutorial" for interested players. The challenge of getting 5 stars on every fight including the early game is there if you want it, for example. Or turning off auto-battle to make command inputs more challenging. Leader death wasn't something that "needed" changing (using caps doesn't back up a point, btw). It was unpopular, but I thought it balanced out revive spam and wasn't unfair to the player as they're given many tools to avoid the issue.

FFXIII took the bold step of leaving genre conventions behind and attempting a more linear, grinding limited, arcade/action game scoring system approach. Of course much confusion and anger resulted since RPG fans expected it to be an RPG and didn't try to rate it on its own merits regardless of what genre it was. FFXIII would have been better received if it was a new IP marketed as a linear action style RPG.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on February 02, 2012, 04:27:08 AM
Tutorial's a bit of an exaggeration, and honestly it IS one of the better examples of how to train a player on a game. Problem is that's the thing, gameplay-wise they spend over half the game TRAINING you for Gran Pulse, only for it to just be a bunch of "hunts" that don't match up to what FFXII had.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Perigryn on February 02, 2012, 05:16:04 AM
FFXIII took the bold step of leaving genre conventions behind and attempting a more linear, grinding limited, arcade/action game scoring system approach. Of course much confusion and anger resulted since RPG fans expected it to be an RPG and didn't try to rate it on its own merits regardless of what genre it was. FFXIII would have been better received if it was a new IP marketed as a linear action style RPG.

This has been my thought on the game from day one. XIII suffered the same as Square's first movie, FF: The Spirits Within. You either liked it, or didn't, and the majority of FF fans didn't because it was such a vast departure from the tropes of the series. If they had just made it The Spirits Within, an independent film free of the franchise, I think people really would have liked it more, but because they expected a Final Fantasy, it obviously fell flat. In Advent Children, you more got exactly what you were expecting.

From the sounds of it, thought, XIII-2 is more living up to the FF franchise, and not seeming so independent from the series.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 02, 2012, 05:47:15 AM
The problem with that thought line is Final Fantasy, since FF VII (although arguably at around V), the Final Fantasy IP is pretty much 'a new IP with every game'.

Final Fantasy reinvents the wheel with every game. Changing out things from battle systems, to settings, to character archetypes with every post V title and leaving pretty much nothing as a 'sacred cow' by which to identify the IP with. Literally the only thing that carries over from Final Fantasy to Final Fantasy is the naming conventions; a trend XIII-2 even breaks heavily as about the only 'series staple' names I have seen so far are 'Odin' and 'Chocobo'.

Even if you threw XIII out as a new IP it wouldn't help it; as it already has the 'benefit' of 'new IP clean slate'.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on February 02, 2012, 10:04:24 AM
After hearing the OST New Bodhum and listening to this one.... I kinda like a few tracks sans the vocals. =/

Anyways, not bad so far.
Graphics are stunning, but that's never been the problem, has it?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on February 02, 2012, 11:13:51 AM
I disagree that FFXIII has a "20+ hour tutorial" for interested players. The challenge of getting 5 stars on every fight including the early game is there if you want it, for example. Or turning off auto-battle to make command inputs more challenging. Leader death wasn't something that "needed" changing (using caps doesn't back up a point, btw). It was unpopular, but I thought it balanced out revive spam and wasn't unfair to the player as they're given many tools to avoid the issue.

FFXIII took the bold step of leaving genre conventions behind and attempting a more linear, grinding limited, arcade/action game scoring system approach. Of course much confusion and anger resulted since RPG fans expected it to be an RPG and didn't try to rate it on its own merits regardless of what genre it was. FFXIII would have been better received if it was a new IP marketed as a linear action style RPG.

My sentiments exactly, pretty much. It felt like the breath of fresh air the series badly needed.

It reminded me of the first time I played FF7, which is high praise.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on February 02, 2012, 01:30:39 PM
After hearing the OST New Bodhum and listening to this one.... I kinda like a few tracks sans the vocals. =/

Wait... do you mean Brescha? (Invisible Giant). The New Bodhum track on the OST and in game are identical. I would know because I can't stop listening to that track! It's so beautiful! I woke up this morning and I'm still hearing it in my head. For once, the vocal line is actually really interesting (lots of great chords). Sure, the lyrics aren't grammatically correct, but in this case, it just reminds me of Yes lyrics than typical engrish.

I think it's interesting what the "aggressive mix" is. Instead of those cuts being used for some cut-scene or escape scene, they're overlayed, and played only when monsters appear. Unfortunately, it means you don't hear them for more than a few seconds, but it's actually a really cool thing to do, and works very well.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on February 02, 2012, 01:58:57 PM
After hearing the OST New Bodhum and listening to this one.... I kinda like a few tracks sans the vocals. =/

Wait... do you mean Brescha? (Invisible Giant). The New Bodhum track on the OST and in game are identical. I would know because I can't stop listening to that track! It's so beautiful! I woke up this morning and I'm still hearing it in my head. For once, the vocal line is actually really interesting (lots of great chords). Sure, the lyrics aren't grammatically correct, but in this case, it just reminds me of Yes lyrics than typical engrish.

I think it's interesting what the "aggressive mix" is. Instead of those cuts being used for some cut-scene or escape scene, they're overlayed, and played only when monsters appear. Unfortunately, it means you don't hear them for more than a few seconds, but it's actually a really cool thing to do, and works very well.
New Bodhum is like waking up in the morning, I love it. The aggressive mixes remind me of an oft-forgotten quirk in music, dynamism, especially in jRPGs. The last time I heard something like this was Skies of Arcadia, but that happened during battles and would start a theme over from the beginning rather than overlay.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on February 02, 2012, 02:11:15 PM
Wait... do you mean Brescha? (Invisible Giant). The New Bodhum track on the OST and in game are identical.

I think she means the song besides the vocals. Basically with Unseen Intruder (well, that's what the CE booklet calls it) she'd get the music the way she'd prefer it, instrumental and with no vocals. Personally, I tune out vocals so it's usually not a big deal, though that song IS an exception.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on February 02, 2012, 03:39:30 PM
After hearing the OST New Bodhum and listening to this one.... I kinda like a few tracks sans the vocals. =/

Wait... do you mean Brescha? (Invisible Giant). The New Bodhum track on the OST and in game are identical. I would know because I can't stop listening to that track! It's so beautiful! I woke up this morning and I'm still hearing it in my head. For once, the vocal line is actually really interesting (lots of great chords). Sure, the lyrics aren't grammatically correct, but in this case, it just reminds me of Yes lyrics than typical engrish.

I think it's interesting what the "aggressive mix" is. Instead of those cuts being used for some cut-scene or escape scene, they're overlayed, and played only when monsters appear. Unfortunately, it means you don't hear them for more than a few seconds, but it's actually a really cool thing to do, and works very well.

Nier's dungeons did something similar, too.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Saviour on February 02, 2012, 05:25:05 PM
I'm a few hours and enjoying it a lot so far.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Zik on February 02, 2012, 06:33:53 PM
It was inevitable that they'd reduce the difficulty of the game overall. The amount of complaints and hyperbole in XIII over random encounter difficulty, doom counters, leader death = game over, etc. was fairly significant. Doom counter replaced with a soft 'max HP damage' system that is reversible, you can switch leaders after the leader goes down, random encounters are now easy to splat with little strategy, etc. When most of the reviews state the battles are "faster" or "fast paced" what they mean is they're easier to steamroll instead of having to use appropriate strategy so the battle doesn't take 10x as long and end in a 1 star battle result.

What? There were really people that though that FFXIII was difficult O_O !

I try to enjoy FFXIII-2, but the fights are sooo boring... I always stop after 1 hour or so of gametime and I usually play a lot longer.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: mjrpgfan on February 02, 2012, 07:14:30 PM
The problem with that thought line is Final Fantasy, since FF VII (although arguably at around V), the Final Fantasy IP is pretty much 'a new IP with every game'.
Going to have to disagree there. Older FFs, despite shuffling the combat mechanics around, were still RPGs at their core. FF XIII messed around with genre conventions beyond combat such as linearity and grinding/scoring systems/growth caps/combat balance, which is mainly what set fans off against the game.

My sentiments exactly, pretty much. It felt like the breath of fresh air the series badly needed.
Nooo you're supposed to disagree with me and hate me, I'm the bad guy, etc. etc.

As sad as it sounds, FFXIII is the most difficult single player FF (not counting the MMOs).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on February 02, 2012, 07:42:00 PM
"Hard" seems to be a difficult-to-define term. FF13 being hard is like Metal Gear Solid being hard... you die a lot, but dieing isn't a particularly big setback, as you just start back at the beginning of the battle (in MGS you start at the beginning of the room). Yes, I died more in FF13 than any other game in the series, but if you add up all the time lost due to dieing, other games are A LOT harder. Back in FF4, dieing was a big deal because it meant that you lost a whole 30 minutes of gameplay. By FF6-X, it was more like 10 minutes. FF12 seemed to dial it up again, as areas were significantly larger and save areas much more sparce, more like 15-20 minutes. But FF13 dials it back to a loss of 1 minute for normal battles, maybe 5 for bosses.

I'm in the Brescha ruins now. Glad we actually find out who that Alyssa character was! That was one thing about the demo that was bizzare. You see a cutscene with Alyssa standing around in the beginning... then for no apparent reason, 20 minutes later she's talking to you over a walky-talky without any explanation. They cut out one 3 minute section that introduces her.

Damn I'm loving this game though. I stopped last night to ask myself, "am I enjoying this?" and I realized that I really was, I was really feeling happy and excited. I can't say I felt the same while playing FF13. Oh, and Noel is a GREAT character! I really like the dialog they wrote for him. For once, he seems very realistic and down to earth. If you ask him something, he gives you a straight-up answer instead of some bullshit, "oh, it's nothing" kind of response that we're used to getting in jRPGs. I finally feel like S-E has flushed out a world of characters who actually have lives, instead of being props for a story. Everyone has a profession, interests, and unique personality traits. The whole thing with Serah dealing with the children was really a new direction, something we commonly miss in RPGs.

So far, I'm kinda bewildered as to the low review scores. People said it started off bad, but honestly, I LOVE this kind of openning. FF13 started too fast. I never got a chance to get my berrings, learn who the people were before they were faced with life-changing events. I like intros like FF8, FF9, and FF12 that ease into the whole plot business. FF13-2 is a little faster then that, but even after the plot starts, things aren't so screwed up that you can't get your berrings. FFX and FFXIII start off so abruptly that you don't get to know anything. FFVII rectifies this by slowing the pace down after 10 minutes and giving you your berings later.
Quote from: ZeroHitaro
Going to have to disagree there. Older FFs, despite shuffling the combat mechanics around, were still RPGs at their core. FF XIII messed around with genre conventions beyond combat such as linearity and grinding/scoring systems/growth caps/combat balance, which is mainly what set fans off against the game.

I agree, but from that standpoint, FFX really was the biggest departure. After an extremely open world like FF9, FFX went down to being complete tunnel vision. FFXIII was maybe more (slightly), but by then we were used to it. I blame FFX for the linearity trend. In some ways, FFX is more linear, at least FFXIII doesn't play like a giant progress bar! But the new low that FFXIII was the absense of NPC communication and non-hostile areas.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 02, 2012, 07:52:13 PM
The problem with that thought line is Final Fantasy, since FF VII (although arguably at around V), the Final Fantasy IP is pretty much 'a new IP with every game'.
Going to have to disagree there. Older FFs, despite shuffling the combat mechanics around, were still RPGs at their core. FF XIII messed around with genre conventions beyond combat such as linearity and grinding/scoring systems/growth caps/combat balance, which is mainly what set fans off against the game.

My sentiments exactly, pretty much. It felt like the breath of fresh air the series badly needed.
Nooo you're supposed to disagree with me and hate me, I'm the bad guy, etc. etc.

As sad as it sounds, FFXIII is the most difficult single player FF (not counting the MMOs).
Um no, that would be a numbrr of other ff titles, including 2, 4, and 5. Hell the original was also harder than 13. If you thought 13 was even remotely difficult, you should stop playing rpgs. The only hard part of 13 was enduring the story to the end. Now THAT  was hard.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: mjrpgfan on February 02, 2012, 08:01:46 PM
Um no, that would be a numbrr of other ff titles, including 2, 4, and 5. Hell the original was also harder than 13. If you thought 13 was even remotely difficult, you should stop playing rpgs.
Grinding is not a skill.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on February 02, 2012, 08:24:53 PM
I never had to grind. In fact, grinding seemed to do very little in FF13. Xenoblade required grinding, Dragon Quests always require some grinding... FF12 really was aided by grinding. I never felt like I was grinding in FF13.

Honestly, FF12 was a much harder game, I would say, then FF13. FF12 was the only Final Fantasy since FF6 to earn it's "difficult" card. FF13 killed you a lot, but had you back up and kicking ass in no time. I remember losing 15-20 minutes of gameplay from deaths in FF12. Can't say the same for FF13. Wait... I take that back, there was one boss that I had to play for 90 minutes straight before beating, I forget which one, I think it was the one where Vanille gets her summon. Was it some giant carniverus plant? I really don't rememeber.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Farron on February 02, 2012, 08:45:23 PM
I'm with you on XII's difficulty. I thought it to be by far the most consistently difficult title of the series. FFIII and IV may became a little harder towards halfway or the end but XII is never easy.
Like you said, when you die, most of the times you are going to get way back and some areas have some pretty tough enemies.

I remember back when XII was new some people in another forum dedicated to FFXII saying the game was easy or something along those lines... Maybe it's easy compared to Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry 3 or the optional dungeon in Tri-Ace's games, but certainly not compared to the rest of the series. Maybe those guy were the ones that didn't mind grinding for levels and getting awesome gear like the zodiac spear early in the game.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 02, 2012, 08:56:35 PM
Um no, that would be a numbrr of other ff titles, including 2, 4, and 5. Hell the original was also harder than 13. If you thought 13 was even remotely difficult, you should stop playing rpgs.
Grinding is not a skill.
No grinding isn't a skill, but the patience to grind to game breaking stats is. Unlike every other FF game, over powering your characters wasn't necessary, but proved helpful when trying to just enjoy story. XIII, however, only was fun during battles. Capping was...well, a matter of time.  I mean shit, fighting a boss in an area of ffxiii usually raised you up an entire crystarium level anyway. To call xiii difficult because you couldn't grind is silly. Xiii wasn't hard. Even its special fights were just a matter of figuring out abusive paradigm strategies. The only fights I ever lost were the first orphan fight cuz he poisoned lightning and then hit me with the 1 remaining hp move, and 3 of the eidolons, and that's because vanille's eidolon was a bitch before I started using fang correctly, while the other ones were sazh's and fang's because I just plain wasn't paying attention. In all honesty, no ff title was remotely hard, outside of tactics for psx, and only because 1v1 wiegraf was a test in math skills ( knowing movement areas, ct setups, and speed abuse), while elmdor was only hard if you chose not to steal his genji gear (or just the sword and glove). Hard rpgs are readily available, just don't look to ff series for em.

Regarding FFxii being hard...it wasn't. The difficulty came from the fact that auto battle could easily be your doom if you weren't paying attention. Once you learned how to actually look while you did nothing, xii was once again simple. Xiii's one big pat on the back was taking the gambit system of xii and making it more automatic while being more interactive. I like the idea and all, but at the end of the day, I react better than a.i. ever will. However selecting 6 moves from a clunky menu will still be faster via an auto battle command. Xii I GUESS could be considered hard due to the nuance of auto fighting for those unaquainted with mmos. It is a slight....very slight learning curve.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Kevadu on February 02, 2012, 09:09:17 PM
FFXIII was hard?  Are you kidding me?  Time consuming, yes.  Lot's of enemies had pointlessly high numbers of hitpoints so the battles dragged on and on and on, but I wouldn't call a game where you successfully win every single battle (and get 5 stars for the matter...) with the exact same strategy 'hard'.  Not even close.

That was my biggest beef with the battle system.  There just weren't that many options to choose from so finding the optimal solution was trivial.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on February 02, 2012, 09:13:12 PM
I dunno, I never had problem with the auto-battles in FFXII. I've heard people say as you have, but I never once went, "NO! DON'T DO THAT!" I got pretty good at programming the gambits like IF...THEN statements, and then I manually controlled things as much as I needed to. But still, I'd say the game was difficult. There were many areas that were just long and grueling, with many over-leveled enemies that you're supposed to avoid until later. If you manage to avoid them, you're fine, but it wasn't always easy. The game also becomes so open that it's easy to walk into the wrong area and get instantly bum-fucked.

Was FF12 the hardest RPG I've ever played? Absolutely not, but it deffinitely posed more of a challenge then most of the other games in the series. But calling Final Fantasy an "easy" series is not really correct either. I'd say the Final Fantasy series is of moderate difficulty. There are many RPGs that are WAY easier than Final Fantasy. Tales games (except for the totaly unbalanced and random Vesparia) are rediculously easy. Game Arts games are pretty easy, except maybe Grandia III... again, very uneven. Wild Arms games definitely don't pose much of a challange. Neither do any of the Gust RPGs that I'm familliar with.

Atlus games are pretty challenging, as are some Tri-Ace games (if you can endure the wonkiness and terrible plots). Obviously Demon/Dark Souls. Dragon Quests are challenging, but only if you don't grind a bit as you go. But I wouldn't say that Final Fantasy is at the "easy" end of the spectrum.

FFXIII, on the other hand, was a walk in the park, until a certain boss killed you 10 times in a row, and then became a walk in the park again.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 02, 2012, 10:13:54 PM
Wild Arms games definitely don't pose much of a challenge.

Wild Arms XF begs to differ. XD
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on February 02, 2012, 10:20:39 PM
Wild Arms games definitely don't pose much of a challenge.

Wild Arms XF begs to differ. XD

Strategy spin-offs are almost always the exception, I swear. FFT was probably the hardest post-SNES (probably post-NES) FF title, and you could still break the game wide open and make it a joke eventually.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 02, 2012, 10:37:58 PM
I'm sorry if I insult anyone with this, but I can safely say that FF games are to rpgs as super mario is to platformers. They are each hand in hand responsible for their genre respectively, but lets face it....even a five year old can beat mario games. FF titles are not hard. Cheap at times, sure, but difficulty should be something that isn't easily swatted away by power leveling. Alot of atlus rpgs presented difficulty by giving you encounters with enemies who had strengths and weaknesses that could really throw your basic A/X button mashing out the window. DDS was a great example of this, with those assholes who would cast status effect spells like confusion and instant death or critical hp, adding to that the high and low solar energy thing that made you half devil and made you really easy to kill. Those were difficult times, but god help me they were fun( especially 2). Any FF game can be eaaily picked up and learned within one sitting, and generally the enemies are never so painstackingly hard that simply dedicating the old 2:1 attacker healer ratio wouldn't work to solve problems. Hell I'm pretty sure if you dedicated one person to casting white wind and had the other 2 attack only, you could probably beat emerald weapon in vii with relative ease (assuming you still prepped final attack-revive/pheonix or knew about and prepped for aire tam storm). Don't get me wrong on all this, I still liked most of the ff games, easily 94% of em. Just can't say I wouldn't giggle at someone saying that any final fantasy game was too hard.


Just for lulz btw, friend of mine who didn't really understand rpgs too well was running through VII maybe ten years ago. We were bsing about it, and after a few jokes at his expense he told me where he was, which was nibelheim mountain, fighting the boss there. Sadly, one of the few enemies whose name I can not remember off hand, but he's the first who casts trine on you. I sat him down and had him show me how he fought the boss. Mind you, it's all in all his first rpg experience so he doesn't really appreciate turn based combat and gets antsy, mashing circle for instant attacks. I stopped him and said try using some status enhancements. He tosses around barrier and all of a sudden, he doesn't die as hard. Then, I show him hyper status, and he gets more limit breaks. Before he knows it, asshole's dead, and he is on his way to meet good ole mr highwind.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on February 02, 2012, 11:14:40 PM
even a five year old can beat mario games.

Incidentally the age I beat SMB3! But I DO think they have to be competent at playing games.

... And this is nitpicky, but I'd say DRAGON QUEST is the Mario of RPGs, FF is to radical about reinventing itself whereas Mario's only had a few major jumps (to 3D, Yoshi/Wario spin-offs that are just that, spin-offs), which might make it closer to Sonic except it's more reliably been GOOD unlike Sonic, though the fan reaction DOES match come to think of it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on February 02, 2012, 11:19:09 PM
Wild Arms games definitely don't pose much of a challenge.

Wild Arms XF begs to differ. XD

Strategy spin-offs are almost always the exception, I swear. FFT was probably the hardest post-SNES (probably post-NES) FF title, and you could still break the game wide open and make it a joke eventually.

Execution scene battle.... D:
And that stupid flood gate one.
Percents were bullshit....
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on February 02, 2012, 11:56:17 PM
Its good so far.I love how the combat was all accessible from the start.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on February 03, 2012, 01:03:11 AM
Wild Arms games definitely don't pose much of a challenge.

Wild Arms XF begs to differ. XD

Strategy spin-offs are almost always the exception, I swear. FFT was probably the hardest post-SNES (probably post-NES) FF title, and you could still break the game wide open and make it a joke eventually.

Execution scene battle.... D:
And that stupid flood gate one.
Percents were bullshit....

Don't forget about walking into any Weigraf battle blind.
Also Elmdor. Fuck Elmdor (and the hoops you need to leap through to strip him bare).
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 03, 2012, 09:32:24 AM
Wild Arms games definitely don't pose much of a challenge.

Wild Arms XF begs to differ. XD

Strategy spin-offs are almost always the exception, I swear. FFT was probably the hardest post-SNES (probably post-NES) FF title, and you could still break the game wide open and make it a joke eventually.

Execution scene battle.... D:
And that stupid flood gate one.
Percents were bullshit....

Don't forget about walking into any Weigraf battle blind.
Also Elmdor. Fuck Elmdor (and the hoops you need to leap through to strip him bare).
Once you learned how to abuse bravery ( and hopefully picked up and trained beowulf some), robbing elmdor was actually pretty easy. Low brave made nabbing his equipment a cinch, and if you played the psp port and got the good sir Balthier then yeah...cake. Hell between him and Cid, they turned easy mode on. Course a good str monk with dual wield and squire subjob skills was a broken player as well. High str made monks capable of 999 hits WAY before anyone else could pull that off normally. Hell even Cid needed some proper training before he was capping damage.

Anyways on topic, fell asleep when I got home last night. LONG day at the office and all, starting yaschas massif now. Wheee!
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Aeolus on February 03, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
Wild Arms games definitely don't pose much of a challenge.

Wild Arms XF begs to differ. XD

Strategy spin-offs are almost always the exception, I swear. FFT was probably the hardest post-SNES (probably post-NES) FF title, and you could still break the game wide open and make it a joke eventually.

Execution scene battle.... D:
And that stupid flood gate one.
Percents were bullshit....

Don't forget about walking into any Weigraf battle blind.
Also Elmdor. Fuck Elmdor (and the hoops you need to leap through to strip him bare).
Once you learned how to abuse bravery ( and hopefully picked up and trained beowulf some), robbing elmdor was actually pretty easy. Low brave made nabbing his equipment a cinch, and if you played the psp port and got the good sir Balthier then yeah...cake. Hell between him and Cid, they turned easy mode on. Course a good str monk with dual wield and squire subjob skills was a broken player as well. High str made monks capable of 999 hits WAY before anyone else could pull that off normally. Hell even Cid needed some proper training before he was capping damage.

Sure you can eventually do that, but it still takes time to both set up and lower his bravery during which he's blood sucking your teammates dry. And god help you if you've foolishly decided to put off learning Ultima until now because getting either versions of Celia or Lede to use Ultima on Ramza without them outright murderizing him or setting him up to get trashed by Elmdor takes a lot of time with a great deal of things that can possibly go wrong.

Additionally the problem with doing this with Balthier on the PSP version, Elmdor's bullshit Teleportaga aside, is that you can't steal his gear from him to begin with. The Masamune and the Genji gear are acquired elsewhere.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on February 03, 2012, 01:28:59 PM
So weapon upgrades are gone in favor of upgrading monsters?

Thank God.

(And now, it's like I'm playing Shin Megami Tensei: Final Fantasy. Keep and upgrade or ditch and fuse...)
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 03, 2012, 02:00:20 PM
Yeah, I'm noticing that it's less effective to upgrade and more effective to use new monsters and infuse old ones. I just got to archlytte plains and most monsters are annoyingly slow to kill. I'm using a gremlin from bresha ruins that has like 220 magic stat and is level 23ish. He dies in 3 hits. Meanwhile my new monsters get huge stat bonuses per lvl and generally trump him easily withing 10 or 15 lvls. Just wish chocolina qould atart selling tier 2 monster items. Fucking lazy bitch needs to update her stocks. Oh and just for my own reasoning, why the hell are noel and sarah level 50 in com and rav respectively, and only have MAYBE 1000 hp each? What the gell is with the lacl of hp ups per level? Guess I gotta start ranking up sentinel now. Fuckin lame.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Chronix112 on February 03, 2012, 02:07:40 PM
At least they are giving you a reason to use sentinel. I only used it iin a select few battles in FFXIII.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on February 03, 2012, 03:06:02 PM
Fuck the reviews, this game is amazing. Dare I say it, reasonable contender with Xenoblade for RPG of 2012? And you KNOW how I like to gush over that game!

One thing I'm noticing is that the characters are much more nuanced than almost any other game I've played. The cut scenes really make me feel like I'm watching real people with real emotional struggles. The final scene with Alyssa in Brescha just floored me! And Noel continues to impress. What's with the guy who said Noel was like Snow? Total BS... Noel is completely his own man, far outdoing almost all previous male leads in the series.

I usually am one to at least understand and respect reviews. More often then not, I'm even more critical then mainstream reviews, often having problems with games that reviewers gush over (Skyward Sword for instance). This is one of the first times I just flat out don't understand what the reviewers are talking about. Are we even playing the same game?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: cj_iwakura on February 03, 2012, 03:42:27 PM
I agree on Noel. I thought he was going to be another pretty boy.

He's a stand-up guy.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Akanbe- on February 03, 2012, 05:50:21 PM
Regarding FFxii being hard...it wasn't. The difficulty came from the fact that auto battle could easily be your doom if you weren't paying attention. Once you learned how to actually look while you did nothing, xii was once again simple. Xiii's one big pat on the back was taking the gambit system of xii and making it more automatic while being more interactive. I like the idea and all, but at the end of the day, I react better than a.i. ever will. However selecting 6 moves from a clunky menu will still be faster via an auto battle command. Xii I GUESS could be considered hard due to the nuance of auto fighting for those unaquainted with mmos. It is a slight....very slight learning curve.

I think some of the optional bosses in 12 were pretty hard if you weren't overleveled.  I remember going for the genji stuff and Gilgamesh, iirc, was pretty difficult.  Maybe I was underleveled, but I don't think I was.

I like intros like FF8, FF9, and FF12 that ease into the whole plot business.

I agree.  I enjoy this
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 03, 2012, 06:00:53 PM
I've never seen so many innane hand gestures in my life. It's like watching a couple guidos argue over whos momma's meatballs are better. When you meet the nora guys, noel and yuj specifically start throwing their hands up in all different directions, it's hillariously stypid. Oh, as for noel not being like snow....yeah the game even makes a joke about it when you meet up with snow. Only difference is snow is more obnoxious about it, whereas noel is more serious.


As far as returning characters go though, 10 points for new Hope, -50 for keeping old Hope's voice actor on new Hope. Who thought that was a good idea, seriously? He grows 2 feet and wears a fucking pimp ass suit, and he still has that silly boomerang and his whiney oh noes voice, just glad they made him seem less needy, though I think officially every main male in XIII-2 wants a piece of Serah's tiny, flat jp booty. I will admit, I do approve of the fact they retained Snow's old theme. Was pretty badass. God I wanna go home and play more, fucking work grahhh, fucking slow moving bus.

Anyone else not like the fact that the genji bow quickly became obsolete? Also, wtf is with the preorder summoner costume thing, she looks terrible. Finally, mog rocks. Fuck all you haters, I approve of the fully voiced kupo, especially when he fucks something up....or even better when you get to throw him. I giggle every time.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 03, 2012, 06:12:37 PM
Yeah, I'm noticing that it's less effective to upgrade and more effective to use new monsters and infuse old ones. I just got to archlytte plains and most monsters are annoyingly slow to kill. I'm using a gremlin from bresha ruins that has like 220 magic stat and is level 23ish. He dies in 3 hits. Meanwhile my new monsters get huge stat bonuses per lvl and generally trump him easily withing 10 or 15 lvls. Just wish chocolina qould atart selling tier 2 monster items. Fucking lazy bitch needs to update her stocks. Oh and just for my own reasoning, why the hell are noel and sarah level 50 in com and rav respectively, and only have MAYBE 1000 hp each? What the gell is with the lacl of hp ups per level? Guess I gotta start ranking up sentinel now. Fuckin lame.

This isn't always true. Some monsters are clearly superior than others via upgrades. For example; I'm currently using a Flanborg as my Com unit. He started off as a Rank 2 but with normal upgrading and 0 infusions he's Rank 4 and sporting over 4K HP and I think about 400+ attack power; far stronger than any Rank 3's and 4's I've come across yet.

Also; don't hold your breath on that HP count. I tried the same tactic immediately after Serah maxed out her Rav and only got about 500-600 more HP for maxing out Sent. HP upgrades are spread out quite a bit; mostly across Sent., Com., Medic, and Syn. from what I've seen. I've got all but 1.5 roles learned to the point where all abilities have been gained and both characters are still only in the upper 2000's HP wise. I wouldn't expect sharp HP upgrades until you start stacking 'Role Bonus +'s from Crystarium Upgrades.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 03, 2012, 06:18:44 PM
Haven't seen a flanborg yet, but I did get a flanmini that I've been pumping up a bit, and he's got some retardedly high stats, which again puts me in the said situation of my old monsters sucking compared to new ones. Course he's a com, so I didn't place him in my party yet, as I need to unlock and lvl sab on serah first (working slowly to it). Speaking of lvls, unlocked medic and syn on serah and noel respectively, and medic for serah is 26 and syn on noel is also 26, while com on noel and rav on serah are 50. The other classes...yeah later on those.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on February 03, 2012, 07:48:33 PM
I think officially every main male in XIII-2 wants a piece of Serah's tiny, flat jp booty.

Yeah, I was thinking, last night... how unfortunate they already gave Serah a love interest, because she has a good 10x the chemistry with Noel than she ever had with Snow. The second time they go into the Historia Crux, there's a cut scene where it would have felt completely natural for them to start making out mid-flight. But the way jRPGs and anime work, all love interests are eternal and give you blinders. I'm sure they won't even BEGIN to mention any connection between Serah and Noel, because it completely goes against their whole damn chivelry obsession. I notice that he doesn't as much as put his hand on her shoulder to comfort her, they're steering clear of it THAT MUCH. Rediculous. It's like the writers are fully aware that Noel is a much better fit, and so they're being extra careful to make sure no one realizes it... too late. Man, FFXIII fucked things up!

Too bad, she and Noel woulda been less creepy. I know that TECHNICALLY, she and Snow are supposed to be fairly close in age, but he's so huge and she's so tinny, it just looks wrong. I guess she's supposed to be, what, at least 19? Same age as Lightning last game? That's pretty scary.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on February 03, 2012, 10:47:48 PM
I'd rather them two hook up as well.  After all the shit they're going through?  Some good sex would be nice for the two of them...

But Snow went to go look for Lightning even though Serah looked nuts... can't have Serah be all like, "Umm, yeah, there's someone else" without destroying some of what makes her so innocent n' shit.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 03, 2012, 11:12:49 PM
Snow has a decent shot with every lady in xiii-2 I think, including lightning. Besides, the way he keeps throwing her to the side to go stuff "for her" seems more like an excuse to go get some heroine booty. I honestly think this is as close to two timing in the ff world as possible, but meh, fat single guy doesn't have a good grip on relationships.

They just tossed version 1.03 up, almost kicked me off my game to do it, but after a swift cancel, I went, saved and just updated now. Any idea what this ner version fixed/added/removed/nerfed/etc?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Cyril on February 04, 2012, 01:22:59 AM
I was desperately saddened when the first scene between Noel and Snow didn't escalate beyond subtle hostility.  There's good subtplot material there and, as mentioned, just add Lightning to the bunch and make it a four-way relationship.  It's a horrible guilty pleasure of mine.  You can throw in Hope too, since he was passively flirting with Serah.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 04, 2012, 04:33:42 AM
Massive bitchiness alert.

When you reach Yaschas Massif 1X AF, there is a quest to fight some cie'th named gorgyra. I have to admit, someone was trolling when they made this asstart. Fight is easy, til it starts filling the battle with some miasma that generates status ailments every few seconds. I could almost deal with tha np, but one of those effects is a daze that lasts a good 10 seconds. K, I know what you're thinking, equip something to prevent it, can't cuz my accessory capacity is too low to equip it. In any case, daze isn't the worst part, I have some 50 remedies on hand and a three pack med paradigm including one kick ass green chocobo. The PROBLEM comes in the last leg of the fight when he gets desperate. The miasma crap starts landing effects faster and he starts spamming ( he usez it beforehand too, but spams when near death) a move called anguished melody. Apparantley it deals damage based on how many status effects you've compiled. If I have more than 3 at any time, it deals 3-4000 damage, killing me twice over, and that's per character. Wouldn't be so bad if he didn't use it every 3 hits, but heaven help me if I blink, I get nailed. He has about 840k hp, which at this point in game is hefty by any standards. I have gotten him down to 42k in 2 fights, and about 50k+ in the majority of the rest. My last encounter ( the one before I fucking flung my controller in disgust) was at 65,437 last I checked, and then 8 minutes of non stop healing trying to stay alive long enough to switch paradigms and land a quick volley of magic. Finally got sacked about 3 minutes ago now. Gotta say, bullshit is pretty stinky guys, and this definitely ain't no axe bodyspray I'm catching wind of. Gonna try coming back to it later, maybe get some better equipment or higher accessory capacity.

Btw what the hell is with the shop, 6 areas I've run through and nothing new in stores, outside of fucking monster clothes. Was terri ly excited to get a fucking red propeller for my flanbolero.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 04, 2012, 07:58:29 AM
You'll find a Flanborg soon enough; as, if memory serves right, you need to use a Wild Artefact to get to the timeline where they exist because without a Key Item from there you won't be able to progress along the main storyline. Can't say for sure because I found it naturally during my explorations.

As for the boss; silly question. Have you tried pumping up a Synergist enough so they know the Veil spell? I'm pretty sure Veil gives you a blanket resistance against every status effect.
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New Side Rants:

-Accessories suck. You only get 100 AP total and that's it. Most accessories that do anything of value are in the 45-55 range. Sure there are the 'delicate' variants which are about 35 AP on average; but they come at the price of a reduced effect as well as required farmed materials to craft. So they blow chunks all around.

-The casino sucks. Even a level 20+ normal chocobo can't race worth beans; you have to hunt down the rare breeds to make any sort of progress there. Additionally the slots have really, really bad odds even when the machine is 'on fire'. Not to mention it's of the 'timed hit' variety which I've always hated to play. Throw in the fact that an achievement, four fragments (one of them specifically requiring you to win over 7777 coins at the slot machine), and a Wild Artefact are all tied to this pace and requiring over 400K in money investment if you have really bad luck...

Worst, mini-game diversion, ever.

And what's worse is I'm sure all the 'skill over luck' casino games are going to be DLC only.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on February 04, 2012, 02:07:23 PM
You can throw in Hope too, since he was passively flirting with Serah.

Hope's already getting some nice booty, though. How much more obvious do they have to make it? "Assistant"... yeah, sure... right.

When I got to the part where I asked him questions, I asked him what Alyssa was around for, he goes into this long winded explanation of how invaluable she is because of her research into the paradox, and then closes the live trigger by adding, "Well, that, and she gives good head."
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Sapphire_Fate on February 04, 2012, 02:16:32 PM
I've never seen so many innane hand gestures in my life. It's like watching a couple guidos argue over whos momma's meatballs are better. When you meet the nora guys, noel and yuj specifically start throwing their hands up in all different directions, it's hillariously stypid. Oh, as for noel not being like snow....yeah the game even makes a joke about it when you meet up with snow. Only difference is snow is more obnoxious about it, whereas noel is more serious.


As far as returning characters go though, 10 points for new Hope, -50 for keeping old Hope's voice actor on new Hope. Who thought that was a good idea, seriously? He grows 2 feet and wears a fucking pimp ass suit, and he still has that silly boomerang and his whiney oh noes voice, just glad they made him seem less needy, though I think officially every main male in XIII-2 wants a piece of Serah's tiny, flat jp booty. I will admit, I do approve of the fact they retained Snow's old theme. Was pretty badass. God I wanna go home and play more, fucking work grahhh, fucking slow moving bus.

Anyone else not like the fact that the genji bow quickly became obsolete? Also, wtf is with the preorder summoner costume thing, she looks terrible. Finally, mog rocks. Fuck all you haters, I approve of the fully voiced kupo, especially when he fucks something up....or even better when you get to throw him. I giggle every time.
Are you playing the same game? Hope's voice is deeper and more mature, the VA did a great job with ageing him up.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 04, 2012, 02:36:17 PM
Just saw the side comment on the Summoner's Outfit. Strange, I'm completely opposite of you on that standpoint. I think her standard outfit is horrendous and feel sorry for anyone who didn't order through GS because the SO looks far better.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 04, 2012, 03:20:47 PM
Just fought a gigantaur and nearly pissed myself with excitement when I got its crystal, then I noticed it's  a grade 4 synergist with shit stats as of now. i haven't gotten any tier 4 organic monster items yet. So basically, more crap in my inventory.

Been to the casino, and I know the feeling. Slots sucks, and racing is balls. I've caught a green chocobo, but he's in my paradigm pack so I used a regular chocobo. Yeah....waste of time. I am currently in archlytte step trying to nab a red chocobo (if you played tactics, you probably fear them as much as I do). Ballsy commando bird likes to super buff himself then beat you down, but he's not hard to debuff. I've also found purple chocobos in bresha ruins ( snowy version) but when I arrived there the first time, bitch bird ran away after 10 minutes of his defensive ass using entrench. Personally, I wants a black chocobirdy so I can name him Teio and piss EVERYONE off as I break the game.

Regardimg gorgyra, I didn't have anyone who could cast veil that I recall, but more importantly, my paradigm pack is sort of filled perfectly for what I do. I have noel on synergist, and I can't remember if he has veil or veilga, but if he does, I've tried it and it doesn't hold up (i mostly lead with serah, since ravager aoe moves rape normal fights and I don't really notice what spells he tosses up while I debuff and heal). i'll confirm later on if I do have it or not, and if not I will try that next, being I just got a HUEG cactus that will buff me.

Back to the casino, lol color swaps of chocolina. I like the blonde in blue feathers. She looks like a bimbo, hee hee.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on February 04, 2012, 03:44:05 PM
For Gorgyra: I suspect she's there just so you can backtrack later and take on for real THEN, because fuck fighting her at that point. Took too long to do any serious damage while juggling between my offensive and defensive paradigms, and I ended up biting it entirely. I'll just try after clearing another node or something.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 04, 2012, 05:17:54 PM
I do have veilga btw, but it seems I've had it for some time, leading me back to my original bitching of Status Effects out the ass. I'm gonna get my accessory capacity up and try a couple ribbons later, or get bored in a bit and try simply outmuacling the bitch.

Improved moovle throw is a lie. Getting one gil isn't better than getting nothing and waiting a year for mog to come back.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 04, 2012, 05:39:52 PM
I fought that Cieth you were having troubles with. If you have access to Bresha 300 AF I suggest hunting down a Circuitron, leveling it up, and adding it to your assault party; also equipping someone with a Hypnocrown.

It's Feral Link ability gives your entire party full buffs and lightning element to their attacks. With Hypnocrown you pretty much get to recast it every time the dark fog pops up again. With some well-time recoveries and switching over a Medic/Medic/Com. formation whenever your HP gets low should do the trick.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Cyril on February 04, 2012, 08:21:15 PM
If I've ever said anything negative about Noel, I take it all back.  The scene with he and Snow once you finish the Steppe and return to Sunleth - wow.  It's like everything Lightning in XIII wanted to say, but couldn't find the words for, he did.

Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 04, 2012, 08:36:16 PM
I fought that Cieth you were having troubles with. If you have access to Bresha 300 AF I suggest hunting down a Circuitron, leveling it up, and adding it to your assault party; also equipping someone with a Hypnocrown.

It's Feral Link ability gives your entire party full buffs and lightning element to their attacks. With Hypnocrown you pretty much get to recast it every time the dark fog pops up again. With some well-time recoveries and switching over a Medic/Medic/Com. formation whenever your HP gets low should do the trick.
I would kiss you if it weren't for the fact that my phone screen may get slobbered on. I am definitely gonna try that next. Sad too, I fought a bunch of those circuitrons, but didn't get a crystal. Bresha Ruins 300af was a cool spot too, I loved the snow effect on your clothes there, and on the chocobo.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Legaia on February 04, 2012, 09:36:25 PM
i just have to say that Mog is like the Jar Jar Binks of Final Fantasy. God I hate this damn moogle.

And Noel is the biggest derfwad of a main character in an RPG yet.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on February 04, 2012, 10:04:04 PM
Just saw the side comment on the Summoner's Outfit. Strange, I'm completely opposite of you on that standpoint. I think her standard outfit is horrendous and feel sorry for anyone who didn't order through GS because the SO looks far better.

If anyone wants, maybe I'll snag a few from my store.

As for the comment.  I *hate* the Summoner outfit colours... it's so damned pinkpink, she looks like a 17-year old Japanese Barbie (I can't wait for that military-looking one, she doesn't look as valley-girl).  I DO like the design better of the summoner outfit, but the maroon-pink and white combo of her standard outfit (even if it is waaay generic design, slapped together by 10 different, inconsistent design elements) looks a bit better.  
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 04, 2012, 10:09:22 PM
i just have to say that Mog is like the Jar Jar Binks of Final Fantasy. God I hate this damn moogle.

And Noel is the biggest derfwad of a main character in an RPG yet.
Uh....what? Noel is far more tolerable than the last 6 mains in ff history. He's a nice guy, but is seriously pissed off about what happened. Anyone that reminds him of himself gets a mouthful. I almost dare say Noel is one of the best (male) leads in FF history. Course, no one can beat Ramza. Also, Mog is awesome, (s)he makes me giggle everytime I lob it across a map.

KUPOPOPOPOPOAHFUCKMOUNTAIN!!!!!!!!!!
Just saw the side comment on the Summoner's Outfit. Strange, I'm completely opposite of you on that standpoint. I think her standard outfit is horrendous and feel sorry for anyone who didn't order through GS because the SO looks far better.

If anyone wants, maybe I'll snag a few from my store.

As for the comment.  I *hate* the Summoner outfit colours... it's so damned pinkpink, she looks like a 17-year old Japanese Barbie (I can't wait for that military-looking one, she doesn't look as valley-girl).  I like the design better of the summoner outfit, but the maroon-pink and white combo of her standard outfit (even if it is waaay generic design, slapped together by 10 different, inconsistent design elements) looks a bit better.  

This kinda nails my dislike. It's like super japanese pink barbie shit....and emo black boots. It's retarded at best.

Edit:Yeah, anyone else feeling that whole "radiant historia" feel here. It's like where I would hava seen radiant historia as a console title. It works, just makes me miss historia again
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 05, 2012, 12:08:56 AM
Sorry for double posting but this required its own post.

FXIII-2 finally went whete movies went 20 years ago. They Bill and Ted'd the game. I will not share how, or when, but wait for it and imagine bogus journey, when they get to the end of the movie and finish fighting the "evil us's". You will never take ff seriously again.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on February 05, 2012, 04:14:48 AM
Why wasn't XIII-2 the original XIII?

I wish more people had played XIII-2 and given it a chance but due to the sour taste of FFXIII many have given up on the series.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Maxximum on February 05, 2012, 08:01:33 AM
The battle system is still ass, and that for me is heartbreaking. They fixed a lot, but the core of the game is still broken. Sad part is, Ill still buy it...
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Starmongoose on February 05, 2012, 08:26:38 AM
Why wasn't XIII-2 the original XIII?

I wish more people had played XIII-2 and given it a chance but due to the sour taste of FFXIII many have given up on the series.
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No offense Laz, but you are Kay have rather awful taste at times and tend to like games for more...unsavoury reasons. :P Besides, I gave up on the FF series way before XIII.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on February 05, 2012, 11:26:26 AM
Why wasn't XIII-2 the original XIII?

I wish more people had played XIII-2 and given it a chance but due to the sour taste of FFXIII many have given up on the series.
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No offense Laz, but you are Kay have rather awful taste at times and tend to like games for more...unsavoury reasons. :P Besides, I gave up on the FF series way before XIII.

Goosey said that while speaking *through* Laz.

I kinda like the battle system of XIII for being different and operating on different roles made it feel like a matter of quick-thinking tactics.  As an FF, it's a bit too different.  But as a stand alone, I kinda dig on it.

I think the monster stuff wasn't handled too well, it seems to make a point by having them weaker than you.... but I'm still near the start (finished Yaschas[sp?]) and the monsters are meant to be shite.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Legaia on February 05, 2012, 12:58:16 PM
The battle system is still ass...

That's putting it lightly. The Paradigm system is my least favorite battle system because there is no involvement whatsoever. Even the new feature of being able to capture monsters is essentially a shallow addition considering it's just adding another character that you have no real control over.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Lazlowe1984 on February 05, 2012, 02:43:17 PM


No offense Laz, but you are Kay have rather awful taste at times and tend to like games for more...unsavoury reasons. :P Besides, I gave up on the FF series way before XIII.

Nuh uh.


Goosey said that while speaking *through* Laz.

I kinda like the battle system of XIII for being different and operating on different roles made it feel like a matter of quick-thinking tactics.  As an FF, it's a bit too different.  But as a stand alone, I kinda dig on it.

I think the monster stuff wasn't handled too well, it seems to make a point by having them weaker than you.... but I'm still near the start (finished Yaschas[sp?]) and the monsters are meant to be shite.


If Final Fantasy XIII was a new IP instead,it would have been Square's newest hit franchise and would have received much more praise.

As for monsters I wanted control over them but since that didn't happen I just had to rely on the AI.Some of my favorite monsters so far are the Chocobos,Omega,Flanitor, and one surprise monster you get from Vile Peaks.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Prime Mover on February 05, 2012, 05:33:40 PM
FXIII-2 finally went whete movies went 20 years ago. They Bill and Ted'd the game. I will not share how, or when, but wait for it and imagine bogus journey, when they get to the end of the movie and finish fighting the "evil us's". You will never take ff seriously again.

Damn, that's some serious hate for someone who, up until this point seemed to be liking the game. Now I'm seriously worried. Then again, it seems that FFXIII-2 isn't taking itself quite as seriously as many other games in the franchise.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Uru on February 05, 2012, 08:44:52 PM
I'm curious too, you were singing praises for this just a few posts before your last one. Could you put it in spoiler tags?
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on February 05, 2012, 09:27:03 PM
I HAVE SUMMONER OUTFIT/GENJI BOW CODES.  If anyone wants 'em, PM me. Why? Cuz I could.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: ZeronHitaro on February 05, 2012, 10:14:31 PM
The monster implementation is poor; but for the opposite reasons of what you've stated. Monsters are far, far stronger than Noel or Serah for quite some time. I'm pretty late in the game now and they're 'just' now starting to catch up to the Flanborg's HP total. And that's with +HP% accessories. Keep in mind I've just maxed out a class at 99 at have at least 40-60 in every other class. They're still no where near matching it's power or magic value. And I gained this monster and raised it pre-Chapter 3 Part 2.

Really I have to raise an eyebrow at the 'no involvement' claim regarding the Paradigm system. It holds no water. You're basically playing 'commander' as opposed to playing 'soldier'. Just because you're operating a different aspect of the battle doesn't mean you're any more or less involved. Additionally considering how chaotic some battles can be (keeping a strict eye on HP, Combo %, and Status Effect gauges all in tandem while having to swiftly shuffle between item and ability menus and leader changes is anything but 'automatic'), saying the battle plays itself is an outright lie.

And before anyone tries to claim the Auto selection is always optimal; that is pretty much the statement of someone who hasn't gotten their hands dirty with the more challenging battles. And 'Auto' Commander will often use Ruin instead of rushing in and 'launching' the boss you need to stay airborne in order to keep up your combo just a tiny bit longer. An 'Auto' Synergist will often use individual target spells because the AI thinks 1 Slot Single Target > 3 Slot Party Target in terms of action priority; when using a swift Protectega due to having a full 5 ATB bar and taking advantage of only needing one more charge to cast Shellga immediately after is a far better option in a pinch. An 'Auto' Saboteur will fill up the entire ATB bar with a single debuff spell, casting Deprotect 5 times over even when the first two are more than effective enough to ensure the debuff sticks; when by manually controlling it you can get three debuffs in for the same 'price' that auto would inflict one.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Eusis on February 05, 2012, 10:28:27 PM
Yeah, it's still enjoyable because you have to actively keep juggling paradigms in tougher battles, or even to just optimize performance in easier battles. I think it's a more valid complaint for FFXIII where, once you set up good gambits, can practically doze off in a non-boss fight.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 05, 2012, 11:05:23 PM
No no no no no, it's not hate, it's hillarity. Seriously, you just gotta see the whole part I'm talking about. All I could think was  "after I get out of this cage, I will leave myself a key" promptly followed by a key magically appearing in bad guy's hand. It was pure gold how fucking stupid it was. FFXIII-2 is a little less jokey about it, but you just have to imagine noel as a young keanu reeves beforehand.

Pretty sure I'm close to the end now btw, all my lvls are past 40, capped their main class, and have like 6 different chocobos. Btw, not really spoilers, but as I found by (as always) lobbing mog around for no good reason...

Academia, 4xx, when you get into big sciencey room, throw mog at big green glowy thing. You can thank me with gifts if needed.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Dice on February 06, 2012, 01:17:15 AM
Hey guys... I'm stuck.

i'm stuck at Future Yaschas after the paradox got rid of the eclipse... I dunno where to go.  I briefly saw Serendipity, but coudn't get in, and the throne that's blocked by a fallen pillar that I should be able to jump over but Squeenix programmers won't allow it.
Title: Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread
Post by: Agent D. on February 06, 2012, 01:31:32 AM