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Title: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: ULTROS! on June 07, 2011, 11:39:16 PM
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/08/dragons_crown_ps3_and_vita/
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Dragon's Crown is a new 2D Action RPG from Vanillaware, the developer that's also working on PSP's Grand Knights History for Marvelous Entertainment. Ignition is handling the worldwide publishing on this one. The official site says that it's the second Japan-produced title from Ignition (the first was El Shaddai).

Although the game appeared in Sony's PS Vita trailer reel, the official site reveals it to be in development for both PlayStation 3 and PS Vita. The game will see release in Spring 2012 and features support for 1 to 4 players.

George Kamitani is directing the game. Ignition's Kashow Oda is serving as producer.

As detailed at the official site, Dragon's Crown offers "red-hot multiplayer 2D action." Up to four players can team up via online play to work through dungeons, clearing quests and progressing through the game's story.

The lets players build up their character as they collect items, treasure and weapons from the dungeons. You'll need to build up your character to face off agains the screen-filling dragons.

The official site isn't totally clear about this, but it seems that the game's PS3 and Vita version will have cross console play. The official site says "Up to four players work together via PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita."

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzVg6UdMkvM&feature=player_embedded


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Post by: Eusis on June 07, 2011, 11:41:20 PM
Nice that it's coming to both. Now Vita for portability or PS3 for HD graphics? Would be nice if you could get them bundled together with some smart save syncing.
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Post by: Lard on June 08, 2011, 02:15:13 AM
Dragon’s Crown is a 4-player online cooperative game


God DAMMIT. Even the Japanese are throwing in bullshit online now.
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Post by: Jonathan Ingram on June 08, 2011, 03:11:42 AM
Dragon’s Crown is a 4-player online cooperative game


God DAMMIT. Even the Japanese are throwing in bullshit online now.

Having more than one player in a sidescroller beat`em up is not exactly unheard of. Games of this genre have been like this since forever. And it`s not like it`s co-op only, so I don`t see the problem.
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Post by: insertnamehere on June 08, 2011, 03:19:17 AM
Dragon’s Crown is a 4-player online cooperative game


God DAMMIT. Even the Japanese are throwing in bullshit online now.

Having more than one player in a sidescroller beat`em up is not exactly unheard of. Games of this genre have been like this since forever. And it`s not like it`s co-op only, so I don`t see the problem.

Is single player announced yet?
I get a feeling it'll be something Frontier Gate.
I dislike even that idea.
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Post by: Kevadu on June 08, 2011, 03:52:25 AM
Jeez, some people are a little too eager to hate.  This looks awesome.
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Post by: ULTROS! on June 08, 2011, 04:04:21 AM
Artworks:

Amazon:
(http://storage.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dragons_crown_amazon_01.jpg)

Elf:
(http://storage.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dragons_crown_elf_01.jpg)

Witch:
(http://storage.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dragons_crown_sorcerer_01.jpg)

Wizard:
(http://storage.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dragons_crown_wizard_01.jpg)

Knight:
(http://storage.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dragons_crown_fighter_01.jpg)

Dwarf:
(http://storage.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dragons_crown_dwarf_01.jpg)
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Post by: Eusis on June 08, 2011, 04:07:17 AM
Jesus that's some "dwarf". And there's nothing new I can say about the others.

Dragon’s Crown is a 4-player online cooperative game


God DAMMIT. Even the Japanese are throwing in bullshit online now.

Given their game design (and the fact it's not adhoc-only) I'd say it might actually be a great fit, an improvement possibly! Kind of like how Diablo's kind of repetitive and monotonous alone but is a blast with other people.
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Post by: ULTROS! on June 08, 2011, 04:09:19 AM
I like how the skeleton's face is smothered at the Sorceress' breasts.
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Post by: Hathen on June 08, 2011, 04:30:26 AM
That Amazon is ridiculous- pretty much crossed the line into Rob Liefeld awfulness with that one.
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Post by: Yoda on June 08, 2011, 10:42:10 AM
Despite the absolutely retarded characters and unreadable logo, i dig this
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Post by: Dice on June 08, 2011, 10:48:41 AM
Vanillaware loves the sort of outlandish logos.  Anyways.  I will have and I will want this game for these reasons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwiCnpufn1s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=M1IYwrvtnkM#t=18s

I'm not too crazy about the stupidly-portioned characters though.  Cute with giant-muscle-bearded-man, but the sorceress' tits are just embarassing haha
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Post by: Yoda on June 08, 2011, 11:11:30 AM
I like how she's grinding her staff.

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Post by: Mickeymac92 on June 08, 2011, 11:11:46 AM
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the character designs either, but other than that, I'm excited for it big time.
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Post by: ULTROS! on June 08, 2011, 11:53:53 AM
Here's another shot:

(http://i53.tinypic.com/5evby1.jpg)

Big tits, big thighs. Hmm....
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Post by: ULTROS! on June 08, 2011, 11:56:29 AM
More details:

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Here's one possible way that teamwork will play a role in the game. Your weapons can be damaged and destroyed. If you lose a weapon, you'll have to fight barehanded until a thief steals a weapon.

Kamitani mentioned one limitation about the game's elf class. If you use a bow and arrow as your weapon, you'll be limited in the number of arrows. You can recover arrows by touching dead enemies.

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If you die during your play session, you will be revived after a some tens of seconds, assuming you have lives left of course. If all players in your party die, you're all returned back to town.

There will be a few communicative aspects to the game. You won't be able to chat, but you will be abel to do greetings and create a dying message.

I'm not totally sure if I'm reading this part right, but it seems that the game will have a Demon's Soulish system in place where the dead bodies of other players will appear in your game session as bones. From the bones, you can see information about the other player and their dying message. If you like a particular player, you can take his bones and covert it into an NPC for future use.

Kamitani says that Dragon's Crown is a game he truly wanted to make, and he's putting his full strength behind it. He said to expect a number of additional elements beyond what has been announced thus far.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/08/dragons_crown_bits/
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Post by: Yoda on June 08, 2011, 11:58:13 AM
What a lame move on their part. Why distract from what promises to be a good game like this?
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Post by: OkamiGeisha on June 08, 2011, 01:09:14 PM
Here's another shot:

(http://i53.tinypic.com/5evby1.jpg)

Big tits, big thighs. Hmm....

I guess she has thunder magic then? 
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, Spring 2012 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: Farron on June 08, 2011, 01:19:14 PM
Maybe they're into the joke that westerners like big boobed (as Lara Croft) and muscular (as Marcus Phoenix) and decided to put it in their game, you know, just for fun.

I'm not particularly found of these exaggerated proportions but as other Vanillaware games everything looks so beautiful I can't help liking it.
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Post by: Aeolus on June 08, 2011, 01:52:13 PM
More details:

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Here's one possible way that teamwork will play a role in the game. Your weapons can be damaged and destroyed. If you lose a weapon, you'll have to fight barehanded until a thief steals a weapon.

Kamitani mentioned one limitation about the game's elf class. If you use a bow and arrow as your weapon, you'll be limited in the number of arrows. You can recover arrows by touching dead enemies.

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If you die during your play session, you will be revived after a some tens of seconds, assuming you have lives left of course. If all players in your party die, you're all returned back to town.

There will be a few communicative aspects to the game. You won't be able to chat, but you will be abel to do greetings and create a dying message.

I'm not totally sure if I'm reading this part right, but it seems that the game will have a Demon's Soulish system in place where the dead bodies of other players will appear in your game session as bones. From the bones, you can see information about the other player and their dying message. If you like a particular player, you can take his bones and covert it into an NPC for future use.

Kamitani says that Dragon's Crown is a game he truly wanted to make, and he's putting his full strength behind it. He said to expect a number of additional elements beyond what has been announced thus far.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/08/dragons_crown_bits/

Apparently, this game's been in development hell since the Dreamcast era. Cool to see it getting the green light this time (now that the tech is sufficient enough to handle all those thighs).
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Post by: Lazlowe1984 on June 08, 2011, 04:27:32 PM
Sounds like fun.I enjoy Vanillaware games and this is already on my must buy list.
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Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on June 08, 2011, 05:08:47 PM
I'm playing as the Witch.
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Post by: Lazlowe1984 on June 08, 2011, 05:22:52 PM
I'm playing as the Witch.

What a surprise! No not really :P
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Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on June 08, 2011, 05:27:24 PM
I'm playing as the Witch.

What a surprise! No not really :P

Q:P Hey like mage type characters.
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Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on June 08, 2011, 05:29:26 PM
I'm playing as the Witch.

What a surprise! No not really :P

Q:P Hey like mage type characters.

Yeesh, Lazlowe. You really got to lay off of her. Not everything in her mind revolves around boobs.
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Post by: Fei on June 08, 2011, 11:10:35 PM
I love the thighs and everything... I just wish the tits didn't look like dicks.  Too long!  Big is fine, but these are a tad orange-in-a-sock-y.

Those pole skills more than make up for it, I agree.
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Post by: hell_snake on June 09, 2011, 08:01:13 AM
I just wish the tits didn't look like dicks.

wat
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Post by: Demon_Princess_Kay on June 09, 2011, 07:59:41 PM
I just wish the tits didn't look like dicks.

wat

Tits look like dicks......DOES NOT COMPUTE
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Post by: Fei on June 09, 2011, 08:11:30 PM
They don't look like dicks, but they behave like dicks, flopping around like that...

Normally you call tits "big" but I'm calling the witch's tits "long".  Long and cylindrical like dicks, not conical like tits.  This is why they look weird.

I'd still eat oreos with those jugs though, don't get me wrong.

The amazon has conical tits.
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Post by: Yoda on June 10, 2011, 01:56:08 AM
They don't look like dicks, but they behave like dicks, flopping around like that...

Normally you call tits "big" but I'm calling the witch's tits "long".  Long and cylindrical like dicks, not conical like tits.  This is why they look weird.

I'd still eat oreos with those jugs though, don't get me wrong.

The amazon has conical tits.

(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7476/helloexactlyle3rk8.gif)
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Post by: Giga_Force on June 10, 2011, 02:03:35 PM
Not digging the female designs but my god, I know who is composing the soundtrack :) :) :)
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Post by: harmonic42 on June 10, 2011, 02:24:52 PM
I will not jump on the character design-hating bandwagon, I think they're pretty daring, and awesome.

How many games have an amazon character that is that unapologetically powerful-looking?
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Post by: neogalahad on June 11, 2011, 11:34:07 AM
DAMN there is already a lot of hate it or love it type of mentality for this game. Me personally? I love this idea and artstyle! Its so weird because I was thinking the other day, how great it would be to revive king of dragons! I know this has no affiliation with KoD OR Capcom but its the same style of gameplay and the red dragon room looks ALOT like the red dragon room from KoD.(http://admintell.napco.com/ee/images/uploads/gamertell/dragons_crown_ps3_vita.jpg)(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/neogalahad/gildiss.gif)

Its ok though because this is the image that we think of when we hear red dragon. Dragons collect gold and their lairs are filled with it. Im super stoked to play this game because I grew up with these kinds of games! King of Dragons, King Arthur, Dungeons and Dragons - Shadow over Mystara/Tower of Doom, Gauntlet series. Cant wait!
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Post by: Yoda on June 11, 2011, 11:53:54 AM
Oh don't get me wrong... I love the art style, just don't like a few of the PC designs.

God that screenshot is GORGEOUS
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Post by: neogalahad on June 11, 2011, 12:25:10 PM
Oh don't get me wrong... I love the art style, just don't like a few of the PC designs.

God that screenshot is GORGEOUS

I see,

lol which screenshot?
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Post by: Uru on June 11, 2011, 12:28:24 PM
I like how "Elf" and "Dwarf" are classes, lol. Always wanted to control Bridgette Neilson in a dungeon crawler...

Seriously though, it looks gorgeous and im always down for some dungeon crawling hack n' slash.
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Post by: Lard on June 11, 2011, 06:43:26 PM
Having more than one player in a sidescroller beat`em up is not exactly unheard of. Games of this genre have been like this since forever. And it`s not like it`s co-op only, so I don`t see the problem.

Then why is this in the RPG section and not Misc. games, if it's not an RPG?
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Post by: Commander Jubby Shepard on June 11, 2011, 06:45:13 PM
Having more than one player in a sidescroller beat`em up is not exactly unheard of. Games of this genre have been like this since forever. And it`s not like it`s co-op only, so I don`t see the problem.

Then why is this in the RPG section and not Misc. games, if it's not an RPG?

Because it's both.
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Post by: Kevadu on June 11, 2011, 07:35:01 PM
I like how "Elf" and "Dwarf" are classes, lol.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but I do like this.  It adds to the whole old-school fantasy vibe.  After all, that is how things were in 1st edition.
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Post by: John on June 11, 2011, 07:44:15 PM
I like how "Elf" and "Dwarf" are classes, lol. Always wanted to control Bridgette Neilson in a dungeon crawler...

The game that inspired this one (and which Kamitani worked on) also had "Elf" and "Dwarf" as classes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons:_Tower_of_Doom
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Post by: Lard on April 19, 2012, 09:51:34 PM
Atlus is taking over publishing and the game is now scheduled for 2013.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/04/19/dragons-crown-update-atlus-assumes-publishing-duties-for-ps-vita-ps3/
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Post by: Zendervai on April 19, 2012, 11:22:41 PM
Well, this guarantees a better translation than Muramasa at least.
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Post by: Dice on April 20, 2012, 07:34:50 AM
I'm just glad we finally got some news, I was pretty worried when I saw it taken off our pre-orders list at work. D:
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Post by: Dincrest on April 20, 2012, 01:33:15 PM
I could shout righteous indignation at the odd proportions of the character designs, especially that of the near-naked Amazon, but I'll admit, I checked out the witch's behind a little longer than I should have. 

As long as the gameplay is better balanced than the character designs' body proportions, we're good.  The unbalanced nature of Odin Sphere got to me.  Cornelius's final chapter in Odin Sphere was stupidly unbalanced. 
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Post by: Dice on April 20, 2012, 03:29:09 PM
I could shout righteous indignation at the odd proportions of the character designs, especially that of the near-naked Amazon, but I'll admit, I checked out the witch's behind a little longer than I should have. 

As long as the gameplay is better balanced than the character designs' body proportions, we're good.  The unbalanced nature of Odin Sphere got to me.  Cornelius's final chapter in Odin Sphere was stupidly unbalanced. 

The Amazon is a bit much, the witch is obviously designed to be ridiculous as well, and the guys are way more proportional -- so the designs aren't exactly my favorite either.  But I think it'll be all about the end product.  I can't wait for a side scroll beat-em'-up... It's been WAY too long (I'm already anticipating it as something I'll spend a lot of hours playing co-op).
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Post by: Yggdrasil on April 20, 2012, 03:36:32 PM
I wonder if playing with the Witch is gonna be distracting with how big her breast are... is like they want me to play this with one hand. :|
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Post by: Dice on April 20, 2012, 03:39:55 PM
.... >_<

On the other hand, I love having breasts of my own.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on April 20, 2012, 03:50:05 PM
Now that I remember there is a mode in where you can play Bayonetta with one hand. It made the game easier and the guys at PlatinumGames even post a video on their website showing some woman of the staff playing with one hand and all.

Needless to say, they really know their audience.
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Post by: Ashton on April 20, 2012, 04:18:52 PM
The first two images on Google Image Search for this game are the Amazon and Sorceress. So... yeah. Look on the bright side! At least it's not Mugen Souls!

I like the elf more anyway. I always had a particular preference for elf characters.
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Post by: Dice on April 20, 2012, 04:21:45 PM
I always had a particular preference for elf characters.

(http://www.empireave.com/wp-content/uploads/simpsons-nerds-smjpg.jpeg)
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Post by: Eusis on April 20, 2012, 04:35:11 PM
Look on the bright side! At least it's not Mugen Souls!

Yeah, this is just typical sexualization of grown women... to the point of parody possibly.

Anyways, it's at $50 for PS3 on Amazon now. I wonder how much beefier the game is, I expect at least an NSMB Wii-esque scenario where we're getting pretty much the exact amount of content we'd have gotten years ago on 8-bit or 16-bit platforms.
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Post by: Ashton on April 20, 2012, 04:41:01 PM
I always had a particular preference for elf characters.

(http://www.empireave.com/wp-content/uploads/simpsons-nerds-smjpg.jpeg)
I hate you so much I can taste it in my balls.
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Post by: Dice on April 20, 2012, 05:34:39 PM
I always had a particular preference for elf characters.

(http://www.empireave.com/wp-content/uploads/simpsons-nerds-smjpg.jpeg)
I hate you so much I can taste it in my balls.

Mmm, almondy?
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Post by: Two Sheds Jackson on April 20, 2012, 09:34:46 PM
Thoughts

1) Now that atlus is behind this we dont have to worry. Amazon has this as june 2013 now. Done. Dont have to think about it

2) Now what we have to worry about is xseed and grand knight history
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Post by: Lard on April 21, 2012, 02:05:14 AM
Anyways, it's at $50 for PS3 on Amazon now. I wonder how much beefier the game is, I expect at least an NSMB Wii-esque scenario where we're getting pretty much the exact amount of content we'd have gotten years ago on 8-bit or 16-bit platforms.

Were Ignition saying the PS3 version was going to be $30 or something?

There was something in Atlus' PS3Blog post about "no way can this be $30" that I don't ever remember hearing about.
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Post by: Eusis on April 21, 2012, 02:16:41 AM
I don't know if they formally announced that, but both versions were $30 on Amazon.com before being quietly canceled a few months back.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on April 22, 2012, 09:36:55 PM
I really had vanillaware pegged for having a keen sense of aesthetics.... taking that into account I don't know how to really judge the presentation here.... on one hand I hate it, despite being well done.... on the other-hand, intended or not, I think its hilarious how this looks to be a complete satire of western comic/D&D illustration which I abhore.... I know saying I have a distaste for your Boris and Frazetta styled illustration being a tattoo artist here in the states is borderline-sacreligious but I can't help my personal taste.... it is what it is.... I don't know whether to laugh or cry as a result of the illustrations for this title
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Post by: John on April 23, 2012, 08:03:43 AM
Klyde: Kamitani (founder of Vanillaware) worked on the old side-scrolling D&D games from the 1990s.  This game is supposed to be similar in style.
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Post by: Two Sheds Jackson on April 23, 2012, 08:26:28 AM
i love that company
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on April 23, 2012, 08:45:50 PM
Klyde: Kamitani (founder of Vanillaware) worked on the old side-scrolling D&D games from the 1990s.  This game is supposed to be similar in style.

Wow, no kidding.... I don't know my ass from my elbows when it comes to much outside the realm of your JRPG.... particularly anything that has to do with company lineage.... now, given that is the case, I'm even more impressed with Odin Sphere whose visual style ranks amongst my favorites in recent history. The illustrations for that game actually help motivate me to get to work on the days when drawing does in fact feel like work to me.... I wish someone would come to me for an odin sphere tattoo.... I think I would do it for next to free just to get to do it....
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Post by: Agent D. on April 23, 2012, 08:59:38 PM
I hope this game won't be another one of those "buy it on one system, everyone else plays on the other" games. I did the expensive thing and bought both mgs collections, only to see no one on 360. Same with RE5, bought PS3 first, no one I knew played there, then when I nabbee the failbox version everyone stopped playing it there. I really look forward to this game, and the more people I can run with the better.
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Post by: Ashton on April 23, 2012, 10:56:17 PM
Well, it's only for PS3/Vita, so I imagine that won't be as big a problem. I'm hoping it'll be like Wipeout in that Vita and PS3 owners can play with each other, but we'll see.
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Post by: Agent D. on April 23, 2012, 11:55:34 PM
Well, it's only for PS3/Vita, so I imagine that won't be as big a problem. I'm hoping it'll be like Wipeout in that Vita and PS3 owners can play with each other, but we'll see.
Oh whoops, thought there was a 360 release tossed in as well. Fuck it, ps3 for the win.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on February 18, 2013, 04:45:50 AM
Dragon's Crown 2nd trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44wra_jQzE) -- atlustube

New information on Dragon's Crown is expected to come out in March.
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Post by: Dice on February 19, 2013, 01:19:19 AM
Based off trailer??  GotY in the werks.
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Post by: Aeolus on February 19, 2013, 01:46:44 PM
Based off trailer??  GotY in the werks.

It better be, considering that it cost us Grand Knights History just to make the bloody thing.
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Post by: Eusis on February 19, 2013, 02:27:19 PM
I get the impression we weren't missing out on much with Grand Knights History anyway.
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Post by: Agent D. on February 19, 2013, 02:51:33 PM
Hooray, been waiting for this since first announced.
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: Kevadu on March 19, 2013, 01:56:19 AM
It has a release date (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/18/dragons-crown-will-roar-at-japan-this-july/)!

In Japan, anyway...but that's still progress.
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Post by: EmeraldSword on March 20, 2013, 12:48:14 PM
Did a quick search. Amazon.com and Gamestop.com are listing the release date as August 6, 2013 for domestic U.S.
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Post by: Eusis on March 20, 2013, 02:11:42 PM
It's not a guarantee, but it does mean we'll likely see it within a month, two at worst, with that specific of a date.
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Post by: Dice on March 20, 2013, 02:18:27 PM
We all playing this?  Can we play over network?? :D
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Post by: Agent D. on March 20, 2013, 02:32:11 PM
I wanna be the big booded chick....wait they're all big boobed.

Seriously though, excitement level is a rising.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 20, 2013, 02:47:46 PM
I wanna be the big booded chick....wait they're all big boobed.

Not the elf for what I can see in her official artwork at least.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/346vxg7.png)

She's the best looking character if you ask me.
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Post by: Dice on March 21, 2013, 02:48:34 AM
...I guess the Amazon boobs aren't appealing then

TRAILER
http://youtu.be/bwMKiimtmaI

Holy smokes that dragon walking at the end almost gave me the shivers.  Unreal 2D effect they got going
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Post by: Kevadu on March 21, 2013, 03:47:22 AM
Gotta say, that looks amazing.

Now the question is PS3 or Vita...
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Post by: Yggdrasil on March 21, 2013, 04:06:32 AM
Don't have a Vita and there's not much reason for me to get one really. I end up being more interested in the soundtrack of Soul Sacrifice than the game itself (at least for now).

So yeah, PS3.

Edit: The official website was updated -- http://dragons-crown.com
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Post by: Eusis on March 21, 2013, 04:46:31 AM
Gotta say, that looks amazing.

Now the question is PS3 or Vita...

I hope they can work out Cross buy, then it'd be a no brainer. Helps that at $60 combined it was kind of appealing to get on both anyway.
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Post by: Kevadu on March 25, 2013, 02:18:48 PM
It's now officially coming to the US this summer.  But forget cross-buy, the game doesn't even support cross-play.  That's kind of a kick in the teeth, since I though that was supposed to be one of them main selling points when the game was first announced.

http://www.destructoid.com/dragon-s-crown-coming-to-na-will-not-support-cross-play-249594.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/dragon-s-crown-coming-to-na-will-not-support-cross-play-249594.phtml)
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Post by: Farron on March 25, 2013, 09:29:41 PM
I'm considering getting on the Vita for the portability and the OLED screen but on the PS3 the bigger screen would make it better to sell all the details Vanillaware puts into the game.

I think for me it will depend on the size of the characters during gameplay.
The thing with Vanillaware games is that they are so beautiful I want to appreciate them the best way I can.

Off topic, I'm glad Muramasa is getting a jump button. I liked it on the Wii but ended up no finishing it, I probably got sidetracked by some other game. Also, I loved Odin Sphere and it took me literally years to beait it, I just wish some bosses weren't so hard, especially the ones that loved spamming status effects on you.
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Post by: kofvscapcom on March 27, 2013, 09:11:12 AM
I've noticed that even with handhelds I only play at home so I might as well get the ps3 version. Had a blast going through castlevania harmony of despair with all my friends on release date, hopefully this will as fun.
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Post by: Lard on March 27, 2013, 09:18:15 AM
VW games are usually pretty light on stories, I'll consider picking up the Japanese version of this if I see it here.
Maybe I'll wait though. The only problem is that anyone I would want to play with is asleep when I can play. :/
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Post by: Aeolus on March 30, 2013, 06:47:19 AM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/29/new-support-characters-who-will-be-helping-you-out-in-dragons-crown/

Some details on the game's NPCs.
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: Yggdrasil on April 23, 2013, 12:36:26 PM
Game Developers really need to stop letting teenage boys design their characters (http://kotaku.com/game-developers-really-need-to-stop-letting-teenage-boy-472724616) -- Source: Kotaku

"This is the newest trailer for Dragon's Crown, the Vanillaware-developed game that will be out this year for PS3 and Vita. It features the sorceress, one character from the game. As you can see, the sorceress was designed by a 14-year-old boy. Perhaps game development studios should stop hiring teenagers? At least they're cheap, I guess."

(http://i35.tinypic.com/23u7yag.png)

"It seems that Mr. JASON SCHREIER of kotaku is pleased also with neither sorceress nor amazon.
The art of the direction which he likes was prepared."
-- Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=429947370434109&set=a.377685925660254.85466.100002565488533&type=1&ref=nf)

Kamiya was right all this time. People at Kotaku do eat shit.
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Post by: Klutz64 on April 23, 2013, 01:45:24 PM
To be fair, the designs are a bit over-the-top even for Vanillaware. But I agree people make too big of a deal out of that kind of stuff sometimes. Anyway, I'm probably giving this one a pass for now. One of the primary reasons I would play a loot-centric brawler or dungeon crawler is to watch my character evolve as I gather up increasingly better equipment. Without that, the genre's stale repetition usually shows itself more.

I'll wait on reviews to pass judgement.
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Post by: Dincrest on April 23, 2013, 03:44:25 PM
One look at the amazon immediately makes me think of the "death by snu-snu" episode of Futurama. 
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: Eusis on April 23, 2013, 03:52:40 PM
Game Developers really need to stop letting teenage boys design their characters (http://kotaku.com/game-developers-really-need-to-stop-letting-teenage-boy-472724616) -- Source: Kotaku

This needs to be brought up too. (http://kotaku.com/the-real-problem-with-that-controversial-sexy-video-ga-478120280)

I think he's generally right, it's just Dragon's Crown might not have been the best choice given it kind of comes off as a teenage fantasy nerd's dream beat-em up anyway. I'd personally worry more about works actively trying to come off as mature that still have that kind of design.

EDIT: Though in a way it's probably still better than some examples. Almost everything's exaggerated, and the main problem is JUST the sorceress, the amazon's way more buff than most designs meant to titillate and the elf ranger's actually the most normal design in the game.
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Post by: Yoda on April 23, 2013, 03:52:56 PM
One look at the amazon immediately makes me think of the "death by snu-snu" episode of Futurama. 

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Chips347/1195669468556.gif)

They should just be the first game in history to have real time boob size slider-bars and call it a day

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Post by: Yggdrasil on April 23, 2013, 04:21:09 PM
This needs to be brought up too. (http://kotaku.com/the-real-problem-with-that-controversial-sexy-video-ga-478120280)

I'm only seeing someone crying over how the design of the Sorceress is offensive and damage the image of gaming as a whole (at least in his point of view anyway).

...eh. While I see what he's trying to say as I see it he and a lot of other people are just making a big deal out of nothing. That said, I wonder how this situation is gonna evolve once Dragon's Crown is released.
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Post by: Eusis on April 23, 2013, 04:29:50 PM
I think it's more that Dragon's Crown is being seen a symptomatic of a problem, rather than the problem itself. It made for a convinent target given how ridiculous the proportions are, even though everyone's kind of screwed up there and as I noted it's arguably better in some ways than other games that got for unrealistic visuals anyway.
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Post by: Ashton on April 23, 2013, 06:02:24 PM
People need to find better things to complain about. First world problems.
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Post by: Dice on April 23, 2013, 06:51:09 PM
To be fair, the designs are a bit over-the-top even for Vanillaware.

Consider it a female fault for having a sexualized body then. The only real difference here is the amount of skin showing I guess.
How come no one complained about Jessica Rabbit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy5THitqPBw)?

A Kotaku poster said it best:
This game features both dichotomies. You have the roided up Amazon and Dwarf, the svelt Rogue and Wizard, the buxom Sorceress and properly attired Knight. All of the characters feature extremely exaggerated forms like all Vanillaware games

It's almost ironic and humourous seeing so many fellas aghast of a bouncy witch while I defend it (in the name of art???).

While I do think they had an intention to be ridiculous, and while I usually like Jason Schreier, I agree... he's missing the point because he's busy eating a bag of dicks as Astrot fondly pointed out.
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Post by: Aeolus on April 23, 2013, 10:17:43 PM
Honestly though, Vanillaware in general are a lot better about female representation in video games than most video game developers. Pretty much every game they've done not only has female protagonists, but female protagonists that exist for reasons other than the game's main character to shack up with. Granted they're not as tasteful as they could be but its a far cry better than say Liberation (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/16/liberation-maiden-gets-a-sequel-on-ps3-as-a-visual-novel/) Maiden (http://gematsu.com/2013/04/liberation-maiden-sin-story-characters-concepts-detailed) ever did or will ever do.


Edit: And while I'm here, lets talk about something more important than just how stacked the Necromancer is/isn't by discussing the western release date (http://gematsu.com/2013/04/dragons-crown-release-date-set) instead (yes, I know that its on the front page but it hasn't been brought up in the thread yet).
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Post by: Yoda on April 24, 2013, 12:13:17 AM
People need to find better things to complain about. First world problems.

It's a videogame forum. It'd be weird if I complained about the public transit in my city here.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on April 24, 2013, 12:24:58 AM
^Yeah but the whole thing of I'm offended because boobs. *angrily cross arms* is pretty dumb in this case.
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Post by: Agent D. on April 24, 2013, 12:38:30 AM
Coming from a guy who generally picks a female character because she's attractive, I don't think these designs are very attractive at all. Thank god the game looks fun overall, cuz tits hemmingway and the a-boobilicous-man-azon are seriously disgusting looking characters. The archer chick looks pretty cool though.

Honestly, I think the sorceress' chest is so huge because she stuffs her bra with scrolls....
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Post by: Ashton on April 24, 2013, 01:10:31 PM
It's a videogame forum. It'd be weird if I complained about the public transit in my city here.
That's not what I meant. If you want to talk about the art being aesthetically or stylistically displeasing, that's fine. But that's not what this is about. People are continually whining about character art in a video game. Let us analyze this in its entirety. There seem to be to groups of people that are angry about this at.

The first group is claiming it objectifies women. There are mountains and mountains of media and sites that objectify men and get away with it with barely a raised eyebrow - why is this? Because everyone realizes this is fantasy escapism and anybody who attributes any of this to real life is not right in the head. Am I to believe that the fans of Twilight, trashy romance novels, and the sort really want that stuff to be real? Of course not. By the same token, while some guys may gawk at big chested women, there is a similar disconnect in fantasy and reality. Nobody with all their marbles is going to look at their partner and say "you don't look like such and such character in such and such work. Lets break up."

Then there's the argument that the muscle bound dwarf caters to a male power fantasy. I find it hilariously, almost insultingly ironic that in the same breath where these people scream about objectifying women and how women shouldn't need to feel a certain way about their body they are telling ME how I should feel about MY body, and what I want MY body to look like (and I most certainly do NOT want to look like the dwarf). I mean, do these people fucking listen to themselves? There's also the fact that these people want to allow women to express their sexuality in an way they deem fit - be it sleeping with whoever eh want, writing erotic novels, and/or drawing naked guys doing naked stuff. Why, then, do they seem so intent on shaming people who enjoy this, calling the designers adolescents and engaging in name calling, then getting defensive as hell after the art director rightfully retaliates?

The second group just doesn't want to be looked down on for playing this game. But then is it different from playing a Pokemon game in public? How about a Phoenix Wright game? Any anime game? Even Persona 4, a mature rated game, has stuff that may embarrass you in public (i got a bit uncomfortable when Rise, a 14 year old girl, started ofling me in the game while i was on public transit). You assume this is a problem limited only to this game where it's something you face with almost all games (particularly Japense made games, which have specific tastes in mind). There's really no use complaining about it in that capacity.

In short, it just reeks of actively looki for something to be offended by, rather than an assessment of the art style itself, and exposes a lot of the bigotry inherent in people.
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Post by: Dincrest on April 24, 2013, 05:24:57 PM
Publicity's publicity, Dragon's Crown is getting attention, and hopefully it's as fun as Odin Sphere but less repetitive, more balanced, and with minimal slowdown.  If that's the case, then it's all good in my book. 

But if I play the amazon character, I will probably grunt "snu snu" with every kill because I'm 8 years old. 
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Post by: Eusis on April 24, 2013, 05:38:18 PM
Tycho touches on this, and there's a comic to go with it. (http://www.penny-arcade.com/2013/04/24/character-selection)
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Post by: Klutz64 on April 24, 2013, 05:59:49 PM
Literally could not have said it better myself. Love the bit about the title text.
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Post by: Starmongoose on April 24, 2013, 06:10:22 PM
@Ashton: Because no one makes fun of Twilight or the author Stephanie Meyer? Last I checked she and the people who love her work were the laughing stock of the Internet.

I'm not angry about what Dragon Crown's art looks like. I'm not offended by it nor do I think it's sexist (a lot of gamers are sexist though). I do think however they are so extremely disfigured that it becomes distracting. Where is the character with the impossibly sized feet? Or maybe one whose ears are large enough for flight.

Nope, boobs, thighs, muscles and ass are being exaggerated, the sexual stuff. Is it wrong for a game to be sexual? Not at all. If your intent is for your game to also be a little bit of masturbatory material on the side, go ahead. Don't expect it to appeal to me though, and it isn't immature or whatever to want to discuss the reasons why on an internet forum designed for such things.
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Post by: Dice on April 24, 2013, 06:15:27 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/4fe6e0ee5a5fd5bd688fd73ac8530a2a/tumblr_mlpse5Ia6y1qfe9fvo1_400.jpg
Yum
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Post by: Kevadu on April 24, 2013, 11:05:25 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/4fe6e0ee5a5fd5bd688fd73ac8530a2a/tumblr_mlpse5Ia6y1qfe9fvo1_400.jpg
Yum

It's like I'm looking in a mirror!

OK, in all seriousness about the game I still can't decide whether to get it for Vita or PS3.  I was leaning towards Vita at first, seemed like a nice thing to be able to play on the go, but when I heard that they don't even have cross-play...I don't know anymore.  Is anyone else even going to get this on Vita?  Or will I be stuck forever alone...

Not that I'm a big multiplayer gamer in the first place, but this seemed like it would be a nice title to pow around with some friends.  Or RPGFanners.
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Post by: Eusis on April 25, 2013, 12:51:58 AM
Hopefully you can at least buy as a bundle digitally at a deep discount. Not as if they'd include a manual with the Vita version anyway, though it may be a shame to miss on the PS3 front unless Atlus doesn't bother there either now.
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Post by: Yoda on April 25, 2013, 01:23:06 AM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/4fe6e0ee5a5fd5bd688fd73ac8530a2a/tumblr_mlpse5Ia6y1qfe9fvo1_400.jpg
Yum

Starmongoose is sammiched in the middle there.
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Post by: Dice on April 25, 2013, 01:45:16 AM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/4fe6e0ee5a5fd5bd688fd73ac8530a2a/tumblr_mlpse5Ia6y1qfe9fvo1_400.jpg
Yum

Starmongoose is sammiched in the middle there.

Pssh, it's all three of us, what are you saying.

And Kevadu, I am DOWN. :)
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Post by: PotRoast on April 25, 2013, 10:21:02 AM
I think Dragon's Crown's character designs are incredible. Completely over-the-top, exaggerated, and unrealistic. They are so cartoonish that they border on ugly, but it's almost as if by straddling that line, they come out with something very unique and interesting. I'll probably give this one a shot, even though I didn't like Odin's Sphere because I'm a sucker for games with interesting aesthetics.

The discussion surrounding this game also reminds me why I think Anita Sarkeesian has probably had a net negative effect on the discussion of gender and their tropes in video games. It's nice that someone brought it to the forefront (a positive), but the direction Anita pushed it in is very one-sided, skewing the discussion and affecting many people's ability to really think critically about video games (a negative). I don't know, maybe this is just growing pains we'll move out of in a couple years and we'll really start seeing a more nuanced approach to such issues.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on April 25, 2013, 12:04:11 PM
I can't stand Anita Sarkeesian and all of the videos I've seen of her are terrible. And I wouldn't give her any credit for "bringing up the topic" because she only caused more problems than anything else by the way she presented said topic.

Honesly, she has always seemed like a close-minded, annoying person to me.
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Post by: Dice on April 25, 2013, 12:21:24 PM
I liked a few of her ideas.  The fact Zelda plays a backstage role in 95% of titles (besides that idiot-job she had as a ghost in Spirit Tracks) is really silly for a character who can kick as much/more ass than Link in Smash Bros.  But it's a male market?  I'd still love a Zelda title that lets you perhaps play as both of them (and maybe open up the plot to something other than a "rescue the princess" one; it certainly worked for Majora's Mask).  Though Princess Peach's one time to shine was a game based around her crazy-exasperating emotions.  Despite all that though, I don't care about her being a "hero"

I am curious for all these negative reactions against Dragon's Crown art nonetheless.  But I suppose it's the "overdrawn" nature of the characters that upsets people (and the amount of skin showing on the females).  I thought the witch's walking animation was as bad as it got in terms of a "bounce-factor" when they showed her attack showcase.  But in any case, Odette from Odin Sphere was an even more exaggerated character (her nipple is practically hanging out).

(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/8656/197882-os_odette.jpg)

And I'm surprised in this case that no one really calls attention to how you'll see tits in about another 90% of shows on HBO.

....when is Anita doing another video anyways?  I thought she was doing a few episodes (hell, she got paid up *a lot* for it).
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Post by: Dice on April 25, 2013, 04:57:47 PM
Oh man, I laughed
http://i.imgur.com/yJehqzZ.png
J. Schreier responds and makes a mistake, hilarity ensues...picture related:

(http://www.sanctuarymedia.com/edtechexpert/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/you-keep-using-that-word.jpg)
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Post by: Eusis on April 25, 2013, 06:48:10 PM
He MIGHT have had a point about the face until you remember that's kind of how a lot of anime faces can be, she's actually leaning a bit towards the mature side relative to some.

And the more I think about it Dragon's Crown is a really, REALLY bad target for this. I've stated this elsewhere, but it'd seem more appropriate to target something that's actually trying to have a more mature aesthetic to it and wants to be taken seriously, yet throws women in armor that leaves them exposed in dumb places, or (notably unlike this game) doesn't really have variety in body builds even when it'd make more sense, like a lot of MMOs as I've seen pointed out. The armor shown for the female lead in Divinity: Original Sin at the start of the Kickstarter's a better example to target: this aims to be an RPG with a well developed world, stronger narrative focus (or so it seems), and with more realistic designs, yet you put her in something that barely protects her torso? It sticks out really badly.
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Post by: Kevadu on April 25, 2013, 08:16:37 PM
Check out my new classy avatar pic.

Edit: Oh yeah, here's a nice editorial (http://www.destructoid.com/in-defense-of-boobies-252408.phtml).
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Post by: TiamatNM on April 25, 2013, 09:28:57 PM
Schreier is an idiot. 
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Post by: Kevadu on April 26, 2013, 03:55:29 AM
In case you're tired of talking about boobs I found this very cool article (http://art-eater.com/2013/03/from-mickey-mouse-to-jesus-the-latest-dragons-crown-trailer-is-full-of-epic-homages/) on all the art influences present in Dragon's Crown.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on April 26, 2013, 04:12:56 AM
In case you're tired of talking about boobs I found this very cool article (http://art-eater.com/2013/03/from-mickey-mouse-to-jesus-the-latest-dragons-crown-trailer-is-full-of-epic-homages/) on all the art influences present in Dragon's Crown.

Now this is more like it.
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Post by: Kevadu on April 26, 2013, 04:34:40 AM
Oh, Elf trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dof0X3EP75s) is out.  She looks like a lot of fun to play as.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on April 26, 2013, 03:36:48 PM
The artist behind Dragon's Crown explains his exaggerated characters (http://kotaku.com/the-artist-behind-dragons-crown-explains-his-exaggerat-482450927) -- Source: Kotaku

Jason Schreier is on my shit list.

---

Comment by Andy Lee Chaisiri, Gamasutra (http://gamasutra.com/blogs/ChristianNutt/20130423/191078/Dragons_Crown_George_Kamitani_and_being_stupid_on_Facebook.php#comment198071):

"What's left out of Christian Nutt's article is what Jason Schreier said about George Kamitani, where he calls him a "14 year old boy that was probably cheap to hire"

George Kamitani is an industry veteran whose been making games since the early 90's.
He's been a games designer, producer, director, artist.
He founded his own company, Vanillaware, which is known for its distinct visual style, all done by Kamitani. He is a very rare breed, a man who is extremely versatile, an artist who creates games.

And Jason Schreier dismisses him as a 14 year old boy that is 'cheap to hire'... by the own company he founded.

Kamitani responded to accusations that he 'only sexualizes women!' and "dwarves aren't a sexual fantasy!" with a playful drawing of three very happy, very sexualized muscular bearded men. He then hoped Jason could enjoy Dragon's Crown.

Jason never apologized, demanded an apology from Kamitani (which Kamitani gave), and continues his attack on Kamitani.

That is the full story, the one that wasn't written on this Gamasutra article.

It should also be pointed out that Christian Nutt's reaction to the drawing of smiling, burly men was "FAG joke!!" You can see his use of hateful, demeaning, homophobic language on his twitter right here:
https://twitter.com/ferricide/status/326750771083358208

You can see more anger spurred use of the word 'fag' in other defenders of Jason where they cry "he called Jason a FAG!!" and are up in arms:
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/326734022942273536

These people who so casually use demeaning language are the ones writing this article, and many more articles on 'games journalism'."
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Post by: Annubis on April 26, 2013, 04:05:58 PM
There's really no point in talking about this. Let me explain why.
By linking the original in your post, you just gave him clicks, which is exactly what he wants.
Kotaku is just trying to get attention by using guaranteed shitstarter topics lately.
Personally, I think they aren't worth the attention.
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Post by: Dice on April 26, 2013, 04:06:53 PM
The artist behind Dragon's Crown explains his exaggerated characters (http://kotaku.com/the-artist-behind-dragons-crown-explains-his-exaggerat-482450927) -- Source: Kotaku

Jason Schreier is on my shit list.

---

Comment by Andy Lee Chaisiri, Gamasutra (http://gamasutra.com/blogs/ChristianNutt/20130423/191078/Dragons_Crown_George_Kamitani_and_being_stupid_on_Facebook.php#comment198071):

"What's left out of Christian Nutt's article is what Jason Schreier said about George Kamitani, where he calls him a "14 year old boy that was probably cheap to hire"

George Kamitani is an industry veteran whose been making games since the early 90's.
He's been a games designer, producer, director, artist.
He founded his own company, Vanillaware, which is known for its distinct visual style, all done by Kamitani. He is a very rare breed, a man who is extremely versatile, an artist who creates games.

And Jason Schreier dismisses him as a 14 year old boy that is 'cheap to hire'... by the own company he founded.

Kamitani responded to accusations that he 'only sexualizes women!' and "dwarves aren't a sexual fantasy!" with a playful drawing of three very happy, very sexualized muscular bearded men. He then hoped Jason could enjoy Dragon's Crown.

Jason never apologized, demanded an apology from Kamitani (which Kamitani gave), and continues his attack on Kamitani.

That is the full story, the one that wasn't written on this Gamasutra article.

It should also be pointed out that Christian Nutt's reaction to the drawing of smiling, burly men was "FAG joke!!" You can see his use of hateful, demeaning, homophobic language on his twitter right here:
https://twitter.com/ferricide/status/326750771083358208

You can see more anger spurred use of the word 'fag' in other defenders of Jason where they cry "he called Jason a FAG!!" and are up in arms:
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/326734022942273536

These people who so casually use demeaning language are the ones writing this article, and many more articles on 'games journalism'."


Jesus H. Christ.  This has blown up to stupid proportions. 
I do like that dwarf picture though. x)
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Post by: Yggdrasil on April 26, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
@Annubis: I know all that very well, and with the statatement that Kamitani did I really don't have any more reason keep seeing this prefabricated mess.
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Post by: Akanbe- on April 26, 2013, 06:13:20 PM
Kotaku is just trying to get attention by using guaranteed shitstarter topics lately.
Personally, I think they aren't worth the attention.

Business as usual for Kotaku.  And they definitely aren't.

Kotaku is asssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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Post by: Sagacious-T on April 29, 2013, 04:18:59 PM
It's sad how people like Jason Schrier can get a job in gaming journalism. The guy shitposted about video games for years on various gaming forums, all the way back to gamefaqs. He was basically a common troll that had a buddy get him in at Kotaku.
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Post by: Eusis on April 29, 2013, 07:18:52 PM
It's sad how people like Jason Schrier can get a job in gaming journalism. The guy shitposted about video games for years on various gaming forums, all the way back to gamefaqs. He was basically a common troll that had a buddy get him in at Kotaku.

Now usually I expect some blather about how terrible Kotaku is or whatever... but not for someone specific and in this sort of way. I'm curious if you can elaborate?
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Post by: daved on April 30, 2013, 11:06:34 PM
I'm not sure if the character designs of this game are necessarily sexist.  But they're awful.   I don't need characters to look 100% realistic (Growlanser is one of my favorite RPG series after all) so it's not like I just hate all anime styled characters.  IMO The female and male characters in DC just look ridiculous and off-putting.

I'm sure the game might be alright otherwise, if you like side-scrolling brawlers.  However, from what I gather so far it sounds like Code of Princess without a story. 
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Post by: Yggdrasil on April 30, 2013, 11:22:04 PM
^NES Mega Man box art is awful.
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Post by: Aeolus on May 01, 2013, 03:29:44 AM
^NES Mega Man box art is awful.

The SMT thread is the one that's currently getting derailed by box art talk.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on May 01, 2013, 04:04:22 AM
^Are you being passive-aggressive? I just give an example of truly awful artwork to his comment of Dragon's Crown having bad character designs.

Anyway, does anyone know if the NA version is gonna come with an artbook or not?
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Post by: daved on May 01, 2013, 10:33:58 AM
^NES Mega Man box art is awful.

It ain't pretty, but at least Mega Man doesn't look like he's going to fall over from having ridiculously huge biceps / pecs. 

Anyway, does anyone know if the NA version is gonna come with an artbook or not?

As far as I can tell there isn't any pre-order bonus with this game. 
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Post by: Lard on May 01, 2013, 11:45:03 AM
And another person opens their mouth without thinking.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=551796
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Post by: Annubis on May 01, 2013, 12:24:58 PM
« Welcome to XYZ game company. Please delete all your social media accounts as to not embarrass our company. Failure to comply may result in removal of tongue or fingers. Thank you and have a nice day. »
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Post by: Lard on May 01, 2013, 01:15:43 PM
^Exactly

They just seem to think they don't require any sort of filter.

It's mind boggling.
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Post by: Kevadu on May 01, 2013, 02:36:01 PM
And another person opens their mouth without thinking.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=551796

From a Gearbox employee, the company responsible for games like Duke Nukem Forever...
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Post by: Zendervai on May 01, 2013, 02:48:50 PM
If someone like Michael Ancel (Beyond Good and Evil) spoke up, I'd listen to him, because he made a game starring a female lead who was a well developed character who happened to be female and who wasn't designed for the titillation. Gearbox...yeah, no.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on May 01, 2013, 04:08:26 PM
It ain't pretty, but at least Mega Man doesn't look like he's going to fall over from having ridiculously huge biceps / pecs.

:|

"I believe that the basic fantasy motifs seen in Dungeons & Dragons and the work of J.R.R. Tolkien have a style that is very attractive, and I chose to use some orthodox ones in my basic designs. However, if I left those designs as is, they won’t stand out amongst the many fantasy designs already in the video game/comic/movie/etc. space. Because of that, I decided to exaggerate all of my character designs in a cartoonish fashion.

I exaggerated the silhouettes of all the masculine features in the male characters, the feminine features in female characters, and the monster-like features in the monsters from many different angles until each had a unique feel to them. I apologize to those who were made uncomfortable by the art’s appearance, and did not see the same light-hearted fantasy in my designs."

– George Kamitani


...all this crap comes from people not understanding the intention of the artist (and Kotaku being Kotaku). Then he explains his vision and some people still doesn't seem to get the message.

As far as I can tell there isn't any pre-order bonus with this game.

Hopufully Atlus USA announce something in the future.
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Post by: Cyril on May 02, 2013, 02:36:03 AM
Oh, for fuck's sake.  This entire debacle is ridiculous.

Dice posted Odette, but I'd like to point out another Vanillaware character, Lujei Piche from GrimGrimoire, is just as bad.  He dress is not-quite see-through, given she's a ghost, and her breasts aren't as exposed but she spends all of her time straddling and caressing her staff, which has her lover's talking skull attached to it. That's a good deal more suggestive than a woman's breasts.
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Post by: Kevadu on May 02, 2013, 02:53:57 AM
I'm wiling to bet that Dragon's Crown sells significantly better than any of Vanillaware's other games here in part because of this whole 'controversy'.  After all there's no such thing as bad publicity, and Vanillaware has always struggled with obscurity.  The hardcore fans will buy it anyway, and lots of people who probably never would have even heard of the game before know about it now.  If even a small percentage of them think, "hey that looks like fun," and try the game out it will make a difference.
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Post by: Agent D. on May 02, 2013, 04:23:34 AM
Bad press is still press. The name Vanillaware meant nothing to me until Dragon's Crown was really getting slammed. Granted, it's only being covered in circles that are focused on by people who knew of it already, but it oughta provoke more people into playing that would have simply passed it over as a Dungeons amd Dragons game "or sum shiet".

Don't care what other morons have to say about it anymore. I wanna play this game.
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Post by: Kevadu on May 02, 2013, 04:48:22 AM
Wizard trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYY8teUy3vU)!

No giant man-boobs, sadly.

P.S.: I'm kind of shocked that nobody seems to be making English-subbed versions of these trailers.  I mean, the text on the right side matches the voice-over, which should make it pretty easy to do.  But the only English-subbed trailer I could find was for the (now infamous) Sorceress, none of the others.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on May 02, 2013, 04:53:49 AM
The name Vanillaware meant nothing to me until Dragon's Crown was really getting slammed.

What a shame.
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Post by: Kevadu on May 02, 2013, 05:24:00 AM
Just for the heck of it (because I clearly have nothing better to do), I translated the Elf trailer:

0:13 This beautiful, long-lived, race
0:16 are fearsome hunters.
0:20 Her superior athletic ability and unparalleled accuracy with a bow
0:23 allow her to attack enemies from any distance
0:26 Furthermore, with the aid of nature spirits
0:30 she is able to manipulate various magics.
0:34 Those dubious of her cute appearance
0:36 will certainly come to regret it.
0:40 Become an elf and cast yourself into adventure...!

Somebody stick this in a video or something ;)

Edit: And the wizard:

0:13 Boasting high magic power
0:15 he is a mage who can manipulate strong magic.
0:20 With his keen mind and vast knowledge
0:23 the magic he developed
0:25 gives birth to explosions of flames, causes tempests
0:29 and calls down meteors from the distant sky
0:32 to annihilate the enemy.
0:35 With this dreadful destructive power
0:37 there shouldn't be any powerful enemies he can't crush.
0:42 Become a wizard and challenge mystery...!
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Post by: Sagacious-T on May 02, 2013, 06:00:44 PM
It's sad how people like Jason Schrier can get a job in gaming journalism. The guy shitposted about video games for years on various gaming forums, all the way back to gamefaqs. He was basically a common troll that had a buddy get him in at Kotaku.

Now usually I expect some blather about how terrible Kotaku is or whatever... but not for someone specific and in this sort of way. I'm curious if you can elaborate?

He shitposted and trolled for years on web forums before getting into Kotaku. Most of this trolling was done on a private-but-hyperactive gaming spinoff forum. This wouldn't be such a big deal (people do grow up), except he jumped straight from his trolling/shitposting peak straight into Kotaku.

It was a pretty big joke at the time. Most of us on that other board were astounded that he, of all people in the world, could actually get a job in game journalism. When he was new at Kotaku, he would post his articles on said board, and then ban that board's users from Kotaku when they commented/disagreed with him.

There was a period where he began his journalism job while still trolling, and people began to call him out for it in public, so he generally keeps his trolling to his articles these days.

But now that I think about it, he is kind of a good match for Kotaku. Most of his trolling involved fucking around with some hot gaming topic in order to start arguments/argue with the community, snickering away while people bitched about inane bullshit. Think NeoGAF but less intelligent and openly hostile.

Now he applies his skills in the real world, posting provocative comments like "lolicon fantasy" in order to generate hits on his article, all while pushing the limits of the already-soft integrity of "gaming journalism."

I'm not an expert on the guy by any means. He was just a very prolific troll for some period on this board I was a member of. He doesn't really post there anymore due to the need to protect his public image.


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Post by: Agent D. on May 02, 2013, 07:08:25 PM
The name Vanillaware meant nothing to me until Dragon's Crown was really getting slammed.

What a shame.
Not really, having seen Odin Sphere as one of their other big games, I see why I don't recall the name. Wasn'5 a fan.
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Post by: Kevadu on May 03, 2013, 02:44:03 AM
They finally released some official 'English' trailers of the Sorceres (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOdLetzcvw0) and Fighter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBOMbfFAgMQ).  I put that in quotes there because their solution to translating the cool narrations was to not include them at all...um, yeah.

Anyway, I was thinking about translating the Dwarf trailer but nobody even commented on the other two I did so I'm all emo :(
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Post by: Dice on May 03, 2013, 02:51:56 AM
They finally released some official 'English' trailers of the Sorceres (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOdLetzcvw0) and Fighter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBOMbfFAgMQ).  I put that in quotes there because their solution to translating the cool narrations was to not include them at all...um, yeah.

Anyway, I was thinking about translating the Dwarf trailer but nobody even commented on the other two I did so I'm all emo :(

Because the Dwarf isn't the witch or amazon.  Soo.... =/
I watched them all if it helps. :)

I like how puny the Warrior's sword is compared to the rest of his body.  I think, in real life, he'd have to walk like a crab (sideways) because he's just so damned wide.  Looks like a well-rounded character to play as!

Actually, if there's one thing I am eager to see is the balance of characters in this game.  I thought the five mains in Odin Sphere were each unique and fun in their own way.

EDIT: Just noticed "witch" was "sorceress".  Odd, was it the other way around at some point or was I just telling myself one thing over the other?  For that matter, what's the male-mage called?  I thought he was a "sorcerer", so I guess it's just magician? 
...My hair hurts...
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Post by: Kevadu on May 03, 2013, 03:33:45 AM
The male mage is the Wizard.

Anyway, Dwarf trailer translation:

0:12 With skin like rock and a thoroughly tempered body
0:16 this member of a proud family of the earth pulverizes everything.
0:22 This superhuman strength allows him to easily
0:25 lift and hurl even enemies that surpass his own stature.
0:30 When he skillfully mows down enemies,   
0:32 he should even be a match for a thousand warriors.
0:37 Be a Dwarf and confront unknown enemies...!

(I changed 'become' to 'be' in the last line because I decided that 'become' sounded a little silly, but the final line is the same structure for all of them.  Whatever...)

Anyway, in terms of class balance here's what I'm guessing:

Fighter - The tank.  Probably has the best defense in the group.  Which isn't to say he won't do damage, but probably not as much as some of the others.

Sorceress - Looks more agile than the Wizard (that air dash...), and has more varied spells.  You see her doing some necromancy, freezing enemies, etc.  Probably doesn't do as much sheer damage as the Wizard, though, and is likely pretty fragile too.

Dwarf - Similar to the fighter, but looks like more varied attacks to me.  Probably does a bit more damage but has lower defense, which is not to say that he'll be a pushover or anything.

Elf - Fast and agile with a wide variety of attacks, including ranged attacks.  Likely fairly fragile, though hopefully not as bad as the magic users.  I'm not really sure how much damage she'll be doing, though...

Wizard - He's going to be the biggest damage-dealer of the group.  He's slow and lacks the variety of spells that the Sorceress has, but all of his spells seem to be of the big attack variety.

Amazon - Who knows, haven't seen her trailer yet.  Probably another type similar to the Fighter and Dwarf...


Personally, from what I've seen I'm most interested in playing as the Elf right now.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on May 03, 2013, 05:08:13 AM
Dragon's Crown JP box art, art book cover (http://gematsu.com/gallery/dragons-crown/may-1-2013/) -- Source: Gematsu

"The art book will come included as a special favor with early purchases in Japan.

Dragon's Crown is due out for PlayStation 3 and PS Vita on July 25 in Japan and August 6 in North America."
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Post by: Dice on May 03, 2013, 01:53:58 PM
Kev: Thanks for the desriptions and clarification -- I clearly have a case of the dumb today.  Also, IIRC< they said the Amazon is a damage dealer at the cost of defence because no armor, so yeah, perhaps a variation to the dwarf (I love the way his skin "cracks" by tthe way).

Ygg: Artbook totally looks like WoW:Cataclysm's box. xD
Man I hope we can get an artbook...hopefully Atlus doesnt just reign "bonuses" to SMT titles. T__T

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Post by: Yggdrasil on May 10, 2013, 03:53:31 AM
DRAGON'S CROWN [JP] Amazon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08lUlDH_j6k) -- atlustube
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Post by: beLIEve? on May 11, 2013, 01:56:10 PM
It's sad how people like Jason Schrier can get a job in gaming journalism. The guy shitposted about video games for years on various gaming forums, all the way back to gamefaqs. He was basically a common troll that had a buddy get him in at Kotaku.

Now usually I expect some blather about how terrible Kotaku is or whatever... but not for someone specific and in this sort of way. I'm curious if you can elaborate?

He shitposted and trolled for years on web forums before getting into Kotaku. Most of this trolling was done on a private-but-hyperactive gaming spinoff forum. This wouldn't be such a big deal (people do grow up), except he jumped straight from his trolling/shitposting peak straight into Kotaku.

It was a pretty big joke at the time. Most of us on that other board were astounded that he, of all people in the world, could actually get a job in game journalism. When he was new at Kotaku, he would post his articles on said board, and then ban that board's users from Kotaku when they commented/disagreed with him.

There was a period where he began his journalism job while still trolling, and people began to call him out for it in public, so he generally keeps his trolling to his articles these days.

But now that I think about it, he is kind of a good match for Kotaku. Most of his trolling involved fucking around with some hot gaming topic in order to start arguments/argue with the community, snickering away while people bitched about inane bullshit. Think NeoGAF but less intelligent and openly hostile.

Now he applies his skills in the real world, posting provocative comments like "lolicon fantasy" in order to generate hits on his article, all while pushing the limits of the already-soft integrity of "gaming journalism."

I'm not an expert on the guy by any means. He was just a very prolific troll for some period on this board I was a member of. He doesn't really post there anymore due to the need to protect his public image.




what i thought was funny in a sad sorta way was last week he posted an article about censorship in jrpgs. to which i posted all censorship is lame, it seems a little bit hypocritical coming from someone who dogged dragons crown. other commenters told me that it is double funny since he removed several comments saying essentially the same thing. seriously it sounds like he's taking ques from fox news 
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Post by: kofvscapcom on May 11, 2013, 08:16:54 PM
That 64 page artbook bonus for pre-order looks pretty awesome and it seems to be available from all the big retailers.
http://www.atlus.com/dragonscrown/purchase.html
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Post by: Taelus on May 13, 2013, 09:47:07 AM
Would I be late to the party if I pointed out that I find it stupid that not only is there no cross buy (which is fine, I guess, it's not a Sony title), but there is also no cross-platform multiplayer in a game that allows save transfer and seems to have complete parity between both versions?

I'm sure there's a reason for it, but that doesn't make it any less lame.
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Post by: Kevadu on May 13, 2013, 01:20:48 PM
I bitched about the same thing earlier in this thread.  It seems like a bizarre move.  I think when the game was first announced it was intended to have cross-play, but something changed during its protracted development cycle.  I guess they just wanted to get it finished and released.

Vanillaware is mostly artists, not programmers, after all...
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Post by: kofvscapcom on June 03, 2013, 12:29:57 PM
Just hope there's enough artbooks for me to get one. I'll definitely be on this game day 1 co-op. Anyone decide what class they're going to play yet? I'm probably going amazon as her trailer shows that she has the Zero pizza cutter move, and if Megaman X 4 taught us anything, it's the only move you need.
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Post by: Agent D. on June 03, 2013, 04:02:28 PM
Either the warrior or the rogue/archer chick. Warrior is my go to character in any D&D type beat em up...outside PSO, which is always ranger.
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Post by: Taelus on June 04, 2013, 03:29:41 PM
http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-svhrTpg/0/950x10000/i-svhrTpg-950x10000.jpg

I LOLed.
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Post by: Giga_Force on July 06, 2013, 12:34:36 AM
Will this game feature New Game+ elements?
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Post by: Yggdrasil on July 07, 2013, 08:26:46 PM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/mboius.png)

Will this game feature New Game+ elements?

Maybe not, I'm not sure.
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Post by: kofvscapcom on July 07, 2013, 08:34:21 PM
it should, castle crashers added a lot of replayability with character building and stuff. Gotta grind for those skills and phat lewt
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Post by: Yggdrasil on July 08, 2013, 04:29:51 PM
'Dragon's Crown Artworks' sample pages (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/07/dragons-crown-artworks-sample-pages.html) -- Source: All Games Beta
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Post by: Cyril on July 08, 2013, 04:36:11 PM
The squirrel in the first picture is playing a Vita.

There is nothing more adorable than that.
Nothing.

Everything else can go home, it's all over.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on July 08, 2013, 05:32:38 PM
^Too bad is fan art and is no gonna be in the artbook.

The image is not gonna be forever on the site so here it is:

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2jfkm6p.png)
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Post by: Aeolus on July 08, 2013, 05:34:44 PM
^Too bad is fan art and is no gonna be in the artbook.

The image is not gonna be forever on the site so here it is:

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2jfkm6p.png)

But how does the squire use the rear touch screen?
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Post by: Yggdrasil on July 08, 2013, 06:49:22 PM
^He's playing Tactics Ogre.
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Post by: Kevadu on July 08, 2013, 06:55:07 PM
I'm confused...is the squirrel a squire?
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Post by: Aeolus on July 09, 2013, 12:16:31 AM
^He's playing Tactics Ogre.

How can I play Tactics Ogre on the PSVita?

And there's no confirmation that the squirrel isn't a squire. The little beastie could just as easily be like Cornelius from Odin's Sphere in that it could occasionally show up to become a bouncing, whirling, buzzsaw of doom.
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Post by: Zendervai on July 09, 2013, 12:33:41 AM
Buy Tactics Ogre off the PSN.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on July 13, 2013, 06:08:46 PM
DRAGON'S CROWN [JP] PV2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0K5Phibzbo) -- atlustube, YouTube

Trailer shows Systems, Cooking, PvP Arena and more.
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Post by: Eusis on July 13, 2013, 11:45:21 PM
^He's playing Tactics Ogre.

How can I play Tactics Ogre on the PSVita?

... You buy it off PSN.

EDIT: Oh it was the last post on the page. WHOOPS.
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Post by: Aeolus on July 14, 2013, 12:00:06 AM
^He's playing Tactics Ogre.

How can I play Tactics Ogre on the PSVita?

... You buy it off PSN.

EDIT: Oh it was the last post on the page. WHOOPS.

I should point out that I was being semi-factious/trying to save face on my misspelling of squirrel/forgot that Tactics Ogre is on PSN (too used to the Wii's stupid VC where half the games I wanted to play on that thing never became available/left Japan) with that post.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 15, 2013, 03:40:29 PM
DRAGON'S CROWN [JP] PV2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0K5Phibzbo) -- atlustube, YouTube

Trailer shows Systems, Cooking, PvP Arena and more.

This last trailer here really put me over the edge. I am disgusted with the street date for this one. I would play the hell out of this game if it were not for the fact that it comes out the same day as Tales of Xilia.

This is officially the biggest release conflict of 2013 for me. Even though its not really a conflict because I'd play a new tales game over pretty much anything else.... I would certainly be "day-1-ing" this one otherwise...
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Post by: kofvscapcom on July 19, 2013, 12:59:13 PM
comes out a day before mah birthday, and I'm not super excited for xillia so no conflicts for me. Gonna be online day one, counting down the days to this, just like 2 more weeks.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on July 20, 2013, 12:40:41 AM
DRAGON'S CROWN [JP] 14 Minutes Gameplay Video (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/07/dragons-crown-14-minutes-gameplay-video.html) -- Source(s): All Games Beta / 4GamerMovie, YouTube

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2a4wyee.png)
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Post by: Giga_Force on July 20, 2013, 03:10:02 PM
This is going to be one of my favorite games this year.
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Post by: Agent D. on July 20, 2013, 05:04:08 PM
Xillia when no one's on and playing this with me. This otherwise...til ffxiv.
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Post by: Giga_Force on July 21, 2013, 01:48:16 PM
I really wish that Grand Knights History would have been brought over. The translation was complete and I don't want to resort to emulation as it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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Post by: Dice on July 23, 2013, 10:32:47 AM
^ Honestly, even if not the situation with the completed translation, I couldn't have seen it helping XSeed given the awkward place the PSP was in.

GUYS.  HEY GUYS.  GUYS?  GUUUUUYS.
ADD ME TO PSN, I PLAN TO BE PLAYING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
Dice963 (I think)

(http://i.imgur.com/t046aYt.gif)
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Post by: Farron on July 23, 2013, 01:14:29 PM
I was going to buy the game on release date but the steam sales didn't help. So now I'll have to wait until next month. If you're still playing by them I'd like to play too.

By the way, is everyone here getting the game on PS3 or Vita, because I just remembered that even though you can transfer your saves, you can't cross play.
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Post by: Yoda on July 23, 2013, 04:13:59 PM
I'm all over this game.
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Post by: Agent D. on July 23, 2013, 05:19:07 PM
Ps3 all the way....cuz lolnovita.
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Post by: Kevadu on July 23, 2013, 05:26:41 PM
Currently have it preordered on Vita (because I really want to be able to play on the go!) but I'm seriously considering just buying it twice...
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Post by: Starmongoose on July 23, 2013, 05:27:58 PM
Dice hounded me on Facebook so I went and preordered it. >.>
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Post by: Dice on July 23, 2013, 06:05:46 PM
Dice hounded me on Facebook so I went and preordered it. >.>

TIS I, THE WICKED TEMPTRESS FOR EVEN THE GAZE
(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/0/2539/232076-barbariccia.jpg)
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Post by: kofvscapcom on July 23, 2013, 09:13:41 PM
it doesn't seem like a game I would play on the go, plus bigger screen. So PS3PARTYDAY1GO
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Post by: Kevadu on July 23, 2013, 11:11:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BP067WzCAAA-RuC.jpg:large)
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Post by: Yggdrasil on July 24, 2013, 06:47:32 AM
DRAGON'S CROWN [JP] Videos:

Battle Arena (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWVg2l_mDDw)

Labyrinth of Chaos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_deiv57Hkw)

---

(http://i44.tinypic.com/qr12l1.png)

"Dragon's Crown character designs from 1998, when it was a Dreamcast game." -- All Games Beta (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/07/dragons-crown-character-designs-from.html)
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Post by: Agent D. on July 24, 2013, 07:03:49 AM
Every video for this game makes me a little more excited to play it.
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Post by: Yoda on July 24, 2013, 11:19:13 AM
I'm confused by the point and click cursor that pops up in some of these vids. Is that for the Vita version?
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Post by: Kevadu on July 24, 2013, 01:43:25 PM
It's for both, though I think you can just use the touchscreen on the Vita and bypass the cursor.  The the PS3 you control it with the right analog stick.  Basically it's for non-combat interactions with the world, pointing out treasure for your thief companion to take and looking for secrets and stuff.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 24, 2013, 04:02:26 PM
Alright I freakin' give.... day 1 for me too. I'll put tales on hold and focus on this first to play with some of you fine folk. Just tell me when to be on to play and consider me a sword for hire day 1 if anyone would be kind enough to have me :)

NOTE: I may need some help or instruction... I've never done any online multiplayer before... is it tricksy business?

2nd NOTE: I'm serious about letting me know a time and whatnot too. I'd be pleased as punch if anyone cared to coordinate a Dragons Crown play date with me.

3rd NOTE: Let me reiterate the fact that I may possibly will require some hand holding.
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Post by: Starmongoose on July 24, 2013, 04:06:15 PM
Dice or Yoda can co-ordinate it. I've practically already been told I am staying up to 4am to accommodate you shits.
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Post by: Kevadu on July 24, 2013, 04:30:24 PM
Oh fine!  I'll get the PS3 version too.  Let's play some Dragon's Crown!

Edit: Just noticed that Dragon's Crown in the #1 seller in video games on Amazon right now.  I wonder how well this game is going to do.  It's been pretty hyped.  Definitely seems like it will be Vanillaware's biggest game.
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Post by: Dice on July 24, 2013, 05:47:24 PM
I got school and Yoda works weird shifts.  So....uh, get ready for facebooking or lots of PM-ing or I don't know.  Kev are you on the Facebook? 
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Post by: Yoda on July 24, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
I've been working mainly day shifts. But I have enough off days a week to make up for it.
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Post by: Dice on July 24, 2013, 06:07:31 PM
I've been working mainly day shifts. But I have enough off days a week to make up for it.

Yoda, are your nips a bit tingly to be doin' co-op again?  You said they were for Rez.
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Post by: Agent D. on July 24, 2013, 06:10:48 PM
Fuck, I'll MAKE time to rock some coop. I'm not scheduling shit though, if I see one of you on, you get an invite or I raid your game.

I may have to keep a headset on if I play as a dwarf so I can run around shouting "NOBODY TOSSES A DWARF!" and other less entertaining LotR Gimli quotes.
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Post by: Yoda on July 24, 2013, 06:12:57 PM
I've been working mainly day shifts. But I have enough off days a week to make up for it.

Yoda, are your nips a bit tingly to be doin' co-op again?  You said they were for Rez.

See Star's quote in my signature
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Post by: Kevadu on July 24, 2013, 06:22:35 PM
Kev are you on the Facebook? 

No!  I've made it this far in my life without Facebook and I'm not about to start!

Feel free to add me on PSN, though.  I'm Kevadu there too, how simple is that.
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Post by: Starmongoose on July 24, 2013, 06:24:52 PM
Kev are you on the Facebook? 

No!  I've made it this far in my life without Facebook and I'm not about to start!

Feel free to add me on PSN, though.  I'm Kevadu there too, how simple is that.

Just use it like I do dude, I just use it to keep (even more) in touch with RPGfanners. I don't have any personal info and shit. :3
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Post by: Agent D. on July 24, 2013, 06:29:10 PM
Kev are you on the Facebook? 

No!  I've made it this far in my life without Facebook and I'm not about to start!

Feel free to add me on PSN, though.  I'm Kevadu there too, how simple is that.
Bastard, your PSN is even easier than mine!

AgentDv1.
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Post by: Starmongoose on July 24, 2013, 06:30:30 PM
I'm Starmongusse because apparently Starmongoose is offensive.
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Post by: Agent D. on July 24, 2013, 06:35:29 PM
This is so exciting, it's like planning a big sleepover party...if we were all 8 year old girls. What's the 20-30 year old equivalent of a sleepover party?
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Post by: Kevadu on July 24, 2013, 06:37:54 PM
Bastard, your PSN is even easier than mine!

AgentDv1.

That's the benefit of picking a meaningless combination of letters as my username.  It's available everywhere.

I suppose the downside is that if you see a 'Kevadu' on some seedy corner of the internet you know it's probably me...
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Post by: Agent D. on July 24, 2013, 06:40:38 PM
Bastard, your PSN is even easier than mine!

AgentDv1.

That's the benefit of picking a meaningless combination of letters as my username.  It's available everywhere.

I suppose the downside is that if you see a 'Kevadu' on some seedy corner of the internet you know it's probably me...
Heh, I know that feeling. Kinda hard not to know it's me when you see Agent D ranting somewhere on gamefaqs or other forums...or when I had myspace. I learned from that though, never again.
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Post by: Yoda on July 24, 2013, 06:50:08 PM
I hope the co-op setup is easy on this. Drop in drop out. Ban Agent D, etc
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 24, 2013, 06:58:58 PM
I hate my PSN name... Triscal-Goddess... I didn't know I'd be stuck with it when I made it on a whim many moons ago.

Anyhow, I have a somewhat flexible schedule. So I'll make myself available to whomever will have me.
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Post by: Agent D. on July 24, 2013, 07:26:02 PM
I hope the co-op setup is easy on this. Drop in drop out. Ban Agent D, etc
/secretly hoping for forced friendly fire
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Post by: Dincrest on July 24, 2013, 07:51:01 PM
Now you all are making ME want to splurge so I can join the party.  Ugh, I just planned a splurge on Hatsune Miku for PS3... /brokeduringthesummer
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Post by: Yoda on July 24, 2013, 07:59:56 PM
I hate my PSN name... Triscal-Goddess... I didn't know I'd be stuck with it when I made it on a whim many moons ago.

Anyhow, I have a somewhat flexible schedule. So I'll make myself available to whomever will have me.

I'm having a hard time typing that in.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on July 24, 2013, 08:18:32 PM
Now you all are making ME want to splurge so I can join the party.  Ugh, I just planned a splurge on Hatsune Miku for PS3... /brokeduringthesummer

I feel the same. ~_~

Though, even after following the news of Dragon's Crown I'm still not really sure if I want it. There's also this dumb thing that was said about completing the game with only one character takes 20 hours or so, and the problem I have with this is that I *hate* knowing how long a game can be before getting into it.

I don't know, it just ruins a part of the experience for me even if I know it might be silly to get bothered by something like that.
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Post by: kofvscapcom on July 24, 2013, 09:25:30 PM
my psn is just kofvscapcom, made it many moons ago back in middle school and have just kept it ever since then. add meh peoples so we may conquer and plunder.
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Post by: Giga_Force on July 26, 2013, 03:09:25 AM
Mine is Kenshin_EvoX.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 26, 2013, 07:17:19 PM
i think after reviewing info available thus far i need to be an elf.. none of the male classes suit me.

i will be adding all you fine folk who volunteered your names to my friends list in prep for D(C)-day. gee golly am I stoked.

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Post by: kofvscapcom on July 26, 2013, 09:22:31 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/26/whats-the-difference-between-dragons-crowns-fighter-amazon-and-dwarf/

hhhmm...now I'm kinda torn between fighter tanking and amazon never stop attacking
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Post by: GrimReality on July 26, 2013, 09:34:22 PM
This actually looks like fun to me. But I wasn't expecting an (almost) full price game. I thought it was a PSN thing. I'm not paying $50 for a fancy arcade fighter. Cut it down to $30, and I'd join the party.
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Post by: Yggdrasil on July 26, 2013, 10:52:32 PM
This actually looks like fun to me. But I wasn't expecting an (almost) full price game. I thought it was a PSN thing. I'm not paying $50 for a fancy arcade fighter. Cut it down to $30, and I'd join the party.

"Dragon's Crown is actually the first title our company has developed that has gone over the 100 million yen wall in costs. I'm very thankful to have met the release date without problems." -- Source(s): Twitter (https://twitter.com/vanillaware_boy/status/360227461847478272) / All Games Beta (http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2013/07/dragons-crown-is-vanillawares-most.html)
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Post by: Agent D. on July 27, 2013, 12:42:28 AM
This actually looks like fun to me. But I wasn't expecting an (almost) full price game. I thought it was a PSN thing. I'm not paying $50 for a fancy arcade fighter. Cut it down to $30, and I'd join the party.
It's not really an arcade fighter by the look of it. More like an rpg version of final fight if anything.
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Post by: Dice on July 27, 2013, 12:52:38 AM
This actually looks like fun to me. But I wasn't expecting an (almost) full price game. I thought it was a PSN thing. I'm not paying $50 for a fancy arcade fighter. Cut it down to $30, and I'd join the party.

PEEEER PRESSURE -- WE'RE ALLLL PLAYING IT HUR HUR HUR
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Post by: Kevadu on July 27, 2013, 01:00:47 AM
Heck, I'm buying two copies of the game!
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Post by: GrimReality on July 27, 2013, 09:24:56 PM
This actually looks like fun to me. But I wasn't expecting an (almost) full price game. I thought it was a PSN thing. I'm not paying $50 for a fancy arcade fighter. Cut it down to $30, and I'd join the party.
It's not really an arcade fighter by the look of it. More like an rpg version of final fight if anything.

Hence the word "fancy". I wonder how much of a single player game it's got going. I think of games like Dust, where you ran around and beat the crap out of everything, but it was still still very much a full game. Only $15, too, if I recall.
I'd like to play this MP, but that wouldn't be enough to validate the $50 price tag.

Heck, I'm buying two copies of the game!
wwwhhhyyy?
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Post by: Kevadu on July 27, 2013, 09:37:39 PM
Heck, I'm buying two copies of the game!
wwwhhhyyy?


Vita and PS3.  No crossbuy :(
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Post by: Dice on July 30, 2013, 07:07:31 PM
http://youtu.be/DhNCvAFKJ4I
Last trailer

(http://i.imgur.com/pnhh42v.gif)
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Post by: lavarock on July 30, 2013, 09:18:46 PM
Got the PS3 copy.  Too bad this comes out the same time as Xillia!
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Post by: Dice on July 31, 2013, 02:22:13 PM
Livestream on IGN
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Post by: Kevadu on July 31, 2013, 02:42:25 PM
Livestream on IGN

I've been watching it...damn this game looks fun.  Especially the multiplayer.

Edit: The moratorium on reviews just lifted and they're flooding out.  They're good.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 31, 2013, 03:17:37 PM
So, as I have expressed in past posts, I've never EVER done online co-op/multiplayer before. i need some pointers here... do I or should i purchase any slick accessories (head set thingy, mic, keyboard???) that would enhance playing this specifically, with you fine folk?
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Post by: Kevadu on July 31, 2013, 03:28:06 PM
A headset would probably be helpful, but it's not necessary.  You certainly don't need a keyboard (I don't think the game even supports it...).  The PS3 works with most standard bluetooth headsets if you happen to have one for a phone or something.  Personally I use a cheap wired one from Logitech as I prefer not having to deal with batteries and it's not like I'm going to be walking around while playing a PS3 game.
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Post by: Embryon on July 31, 2013, 03:45:41 PM
There's no voice chat option in the game. I'm not sure if there's a workaround using system-level voice chat, because I've never tried it. Rob and I just used Skype when we played together.
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Post by: Kevadu on July 31, 2013, 03:56:09 PM
None at all?  That's weird...

I guess Skyping is always an option...
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Post by: Dice on July 31, 2013, 04:50:21 PM
None at all?  That's weird...

I guess Skyping is always an option...

And the only option.... weak.  But hokay.
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Post by: Kevadu on July 31, 2013, 05:03:30 PM
Vita's party chat works with it from what I hear.  The PS3 doesn't have system-level voice chat, though...

Y'all should be getting it on Vita!
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Post by: Dice on July 31, 2013, 05:10:41 PM
Vita's party chat works with it from what I hear.  The PS3 doesn't have system-level voice chat, though...

Y'all should be getting it on Vita!

I want to get a Vita, but I just can't justify $200 system w/ no mem card for two Vanillaware games. D:

...I need at LEAST one more title and I'm in!
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on July 31, 2013, 05:14:14 PM
Thanks for the prompt responses! What is and how does this "skyping" work?
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Post by: Dice on July 31, 2013, 05:21:07 PM
It's basically a standardized and smooth running internet webchat that uses the camera and mic to chat people and see them.

DAMN.  There goes my hopes of gaming naked.  I'm on Skype, hope I'll see y'all I'll be playing with there!  PM me for the skype email thinger day of
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Post by: Kevadu on July 31, 2013, 05:29:16 PM
Vita's party chat works with it from what I hear.  The PS3 doesn't have system-level voice chat, though...

Y'all should be getting it on Vita!

I want to get a Vita, but I just can't justify $200 system w/ no mem card for two Vanillaware games. D:

...I need at LEAST one more title and I'm in!

What about Ys Celceta? ;)

It's basically a standardized and smooth running internet webchat that uses the camera and mic to chat people and see them.

DAMN.  There goes my hopes of gaming naked.  I'm on Skype, hope I'll see y'all I'll be playing with there!  PM me for the skype email thinger day of

Well, if you're doing a conference call with Skype (presumably there will be more than two people) it's voice-only unless you pay for their premium service anyway.  But I don't know why would would...voice is all we need.  It's just awkward to need another device around...

And Klyde, you've seriously never heard of Skype before?  I hate to be that guy, but come on.  It's been around for a decade and it's on everything.  I Skype with my parents, even.
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Post by: Dice on July 31, 2013, 05:41:16 PM
Ah!  Perfect, thanks Kev. 

I rarely use Skype so the clarification is worth it and allows me to wear whatever the fuck I want behind camera again. :D
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Post by: Annubis on July 31, 2013, 05:46:43 PM
At least for 2 people conversations, webcams are on by default with Skype calls.
Not too sure what happens when you add more people to the conversation.

So I would be careful Dice ;)
You can always disable the cam in the settings anyway.
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Post by: Starmongoose on July 31, 2013, 05:49:35 PM
Whenever I talk with my friends and they call me I just select "answer" instead of "answer with video" or whatever it says. I would be super uncomfortable people watching me game. :P
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: Agent D. on July 31, 2013, 05:55:17 PM
Thanks for the prompt responses! What is and how does this "skyping" work?
Klyde bro, I like you and all...but seriously you've never heard of skype? One of, if not the largest free to use VOIP service out there? Klyde man....you need to get out more, lol.

Skype works for me though, easy enough to play with on my phone with a headset. Seriously no voice chat though? That's nonsense, I'm looking into that...
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: Dice on July 31, 2013, 07:19:25 PM
At least for 2 people conversations, webcams are on by default with Skype calls.
Not too sure what happens when you add more people to the conversation.

So I would be careful Dice ;)
You can always disable the cam in the settings anyway.

Haha just taking proper precautions.  When I have a free day you can bet I'll be wearing the worst junk possible.

Still a bit of a drag to go through an extra step just for chat play....
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Post by: Sagacious-T on July 31, 2013, 07:25:17 PM
I don't know why Robert's PS3 version review calls the art "polarizing."

It's not like there are many fantasy games that pull off this kind of 2d art with extreme examples of the male and female bodily figures. Dragon's Crown is very unique in that regard.

Mr. Steinman also needs to be more comfortable and confident with himself and not be embarrassed what his friends think about the video games he plays.
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Post by: Dincrest on July 31, 2013, 07:32:18 PM
It's true that the exaggerated sexualization of women in fantasy art is nothing new (Boris Vallejo, Luis Royo, Paolo Eleuteri Serpieri, Satoshi Urushihara and others come to mind), but right now, Dragon's Crown just happens to be the current lightning rod for that little debate.  And its art is very cartoonishly exaggerated, almost like Tex Avery.  

It kinda reminds me of that scene in Roger Rabbit where Eddie is caught with his pants down when Jessica Rabbit's in his office and Delores catches him and says, "Dabbling in watercolors, Eddie?"  

And, again, I can't help but think of that "snu snu" episode of Futurama whenever I see the Dragon's Crown Amazon.
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Post by: Sagacious-T on July 31, 2013, 07:38:18 PM
Exaggerated sexualization in fantasy is very common, yeah, but the extent Dragon's Crown takes it to almost feels like a parody of that. It's not like that kind of fantasy art is even common in video games these days. I can only think of a handful of examples, the barmaid from Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance, perhaps the girls from God of War, that one boss from Odin Sphere, and Ivy Valentine and other various fighting game characters (Esp the whole Dead or Alive thing). Definitely nothing running rampant.

I'm just a fan of unusual, highly stylized art, which is what I see Dragon's Crown as. I'd probably say Dragon's Crown pulls it off more tastefully than other games where sexualized women might feel over the top or out of place.
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Post by: PaleRobbie on July 31, 2013, 07:40:40 PM
As many people already know, I'm a teacher at a boarding school.  I was very much looking forward to playing this game with some of my students.  We have a blast playing Smash Bros. and various other games.  If any of my colleagues saw some of the more risque scenes in Dragon's Crown, however, I'd be fired in an instant.  And the fact is that the female characters are seen as sexual objects (the princess and elf being the notable exceptions) while the male characters are all big burly fantasy drawings.  Some of the stun animations on the amazon in particular look like they were ripped out of some hentai film.

Again, I'm very comfortable with my hobby.  I don't hide the fact I'm a gamer or that I'm a teacher who plays video games.  My job, however, is based around interactions with children, and much the same way I wouldn't allow them to watch Game of Thrones I would not allow them to play Dragon's Crown.  The fact is that you can have very sexy character designs without resorting to some of the more... provocative sights in this game.

Jessica Rabbit is a really good example, Neal.  She's a buxom character who exudes sexuality.  That's not a problem on it's own.  The problem would be if we chained her to a bed, draped a barley there sheet over her body, and then allowed you to prod her with analog stick clicks and watch her writhe and cry out.  That's where Dragon's Crown goes too far.
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Post by: Dincrest on July 31, 2013, 07:54:14 PM
I still see the art inducing fairly strong and perhaps divisive reactions of people as darn good publicity for the game.  And even then, from what I gather from reviews, the game itself is actually pretty good and not just "sleazy trash" like some two-bit third-rate H-game, so it's win-win all around. 

Still, yeah, there are some things you definitely don't want to watch/read/play/do among certain company.  There's plenty of stuff we watch/read/play/do with peers that we probably wouldn't do in the company of our parents and stuff.  I love brutal death metal, but I probably won't play Necroptic Engorgement or Sexcrement in my car if I'm driving my mom somewhere.
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Post by: Sagacious-T on July 31, 2013, 07:54:31 PM
I didn't know your history or reasoning beyond not wanting others to see it when reading your review. All I had to go off of was the review itself, as will most readers. When you say the game would give the wrong impression to your friends, the context of your personal life is not apparent.

We can respectfully disagree on the art. As an artist myself, I find the call for censorship from critics (not saying you specifically) detrimental to art and the idea of video games as art. Just as very tasteful games have their place in the industry, games like Dragon's Crown should have their place as well, perhaps not in the hands of children (that is a debate for another day) but at least on the shelves of stores. It's hardly eloquent, hardly smut, but it does make one hell of an impression. That alone may be merit enough to at least respect DC's art style in some degree.

It also made one hell of a marketing blitz.
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: PaleRobbie on July 31, 2013, 08:01:59 PM
Oh, I agree!  The art is quite amazing.  Even the more risque pictures are absolutely gorgeous.  I can't deny the artist's abilities. 
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: Starmongoose on July 31, 2013, 08:11:50 PM
I think I'll need to learn to laugh at the absurdity of the sexualization of the women in the game or try to ignore it completely when I play it. I agree with Derek, it seems like a total straight male fantasy and it's hard not to feel a bit of a removal from the emotions these images are trying to evoke and how not applicable they are to me. The intent is definitely to draw  your attention to the risque poses and such, but it's not something I care to sit through.

Just as much as the entire internet would cry out and claim to be under-represented if the game featured sleek, chiseled men wearing only loin cloths who posed homoerotically all the time, while the woman were heavily robed and had non-sexual poses. And no, the way men are portrayed in Dragon's Crown certainly isn't sexualised, it's far closer to self-insert characters from old fantasy novels. 
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Post by: Ashton on July 31, 2013, 08:15:27 PM
I watch Free! with my lady friends.

I'll play this game not feel any sort of guilt at all.
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: Der Jermeister on July 31, 2013, 08:27:09 PM
I have yet to play a Vanillaware game aside from Odin's Sphere, and as long as this doesn't suffer from crippling slowdown I'll definitely give it a shot.
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Post by: Agent D. on July 31, 2013, 08:41:53 PM
I went to failstop yesterday to preorder this FINALLY and the girl (yes girl) behind the counter starts going on about how fucking excited she is for this. I laughed and asked her if she didn't mind the fact that the sorceress couldn't stand up straight naturally to which she replied "Fuck that, my amazon bitch is all I need. Her thighs make chun li's look like a preschooler." We babbled for a couple more minutes about if and then she HAD to throw in something about her boyfriend not being interested, idk I stopped paying attention after that.
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: Starmongoose on July 31, 2013, 08:48:20 PM
Ah, you were doing so well there Agent, you almost treated a woman like she wasn't just there to please your need. :D
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Post by: Agent D. on July 31, 2013, 08:51:00 PM
Ah, you were doing so well there Agent, you almost treated a woman like she wasn't just there to please your need. :D
I didn't rub my singleness in her face, why she gotta rub her boyfriend in mine? Besides...I only have eyes for one lady right now...just need to build that confidence up some more.
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Post by: Dice on July 31, 2013, 09:31:56 PM
George Kamitani already said his views that if it was just "plain buxom" or "plain muscle" then it's just like all the other artwork out there. He wanted to avoid making it just like any other game.... he wanted "HEY LOOK!!!" and not "hey look".  Bad example, I'm very sleepy, but the point WAS to get you to look, and he succeeded.  If you're put off by it then that's all on you, but I don't think people should be put off.  And this really has almost nothing on the YEARS of comic books doing the same thing or how men have fawned over Jessica Rabbit for 20 years.  It's almost ignored compared to this -- like Din said, it's ignited the lightning rod.  At the very least, and I've said it before, but I couldn't have been happier about including a female with such ridiculous muscles as in the Amazon -- that's almost certainly a first for games (especially muscles to what's almost a "Street Fighter"-level on a female -- not even Street Fighter themselves hit THAT level), Kamitani got his "HEY LOOK" from her alone.

Plus, here we get all dichotomies of body types, thin, "full", and just plain muscular. 

And fuck it, I complained about this in the Lightning Returns thread, but I'm more amazed that even despite the cup size, the boobs actually move like boobs.  Contrary to most anime/games, they don't really "jiggle" as much as bounce with the lady's movement.  So, even despite the PG-13 cut of her dress and overly-exaggerated proportions, I have to give the animator's a round of applause.
(http://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/dragons-crown-sorceress-walking-animation1.gif)
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Post by: Agent D. on July 31, 2013, 09:34:18 PM
Obviously it's a defense mechanism so she can avoid falling on her face. Those monstrosities would never allow such a pretty face to bit the pavement.
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Post by: Starmongoose on July 31, 2013, 09:35:39 PM
I never denied it was my problem, or derided the artist. It's his choice, but everyone knows that art can be polarizing and I think people who do like the extremeness of the figures need to accept their are people who don't like it. If there is something to like, there is something to dislike and that's just how art works.
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Post by: kofvscapcom on July 31, 2013, 09:55:07 PM
there's no in-game voice chat? that's...a very weird decision. ah wells, we can always skype when it comes down to it. Disappointed that you haveta unlock online multiplayer though, ugh that was a big appeal of castle crashers and stuff, you can just jump in with a friend and start beating stuff up. That review only got me moar excited and I'm counting down the days. Hopefully I can unlock the online day 1 afternoon and then get that multiplayer on that night.
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Post by: Sagacious-T on July 31, 2013, 10:10:14 PM
I concede that the character-molestation menus of Dragon's Crown are a bit much.

And a bit hilarious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex133LSR6xE
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Post by: Starmongoose on July 31, 2013, 10:14:28 PM
"I'm going to touch the tits of every slut in the game and there's nothing you can do to stop me."

"I will buy this just to piss off the feminism smothering itself in the industry"

Top comments. Stay classy Youtube.

The video is a perfect example of why I'm baffled at people who get ultra defensive over me not liking some decisions made. I don't know how this can be in the game and it be denied that the intention wasn't to titillate.
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Post by: Cyril on July 31, 2013, 10:20:18 PM
Except the male characters are just as "objectified" (as some people are claiming) and sexualized as the female characters are.  Dwarf is 3/4 naked and muscle-bound to the extreme himself.  Then they have official art like this:

(http://i.neoseeker.com/n/8/dragons_crown_dwarves_12.jpg)

I'm not sure why one sex is okay and not the other.  

I'd say it's probably the fans and the way they treat the characters rather than the characters themselves.
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Post by: Starmongoose on July 31, 2013, 10:26:50 PM
I must have missed the male character chained to the bed while you poke and prod their genitals.

The Fighter is clad entirely head to foot in thick armor, I fail to see the sexualiation.
The Wizard is wearing thick heavy robes, looks fairly pale and sickly. Not particularly sexual, your average mage-y looking type.
The Dwarf: Last I checked women weren't particularly fond of stout 60 year old men with an obsession for extreme body building.

Also that's not official art, it's done by the artist to be sure but it was used in a very public argument.
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Post by: Yoda on July 31, 2013, 10:29:45 PM
there's no in-game voice chat? that's...a very weird decision. ah wells, we can always skype when it comes down to it. Disappointed that you haveta unlock online multiplayer though, ugh that was a big appeal of castle crashers and stuff, you can just jump in with a friend and start beating stuff up. That review only got me moar excited and I'm counting down the days. Hopefully I can unlock the online day 1 afternoon and then get that multiplayer on that night.

Wait up..


THere's no in-game chat? By the time I beat the fucking thing everyone will be level billion. Those two things are pretty much gamebreakers for me. The whole point of playing online is to chat up my friends and talk strategies and loot. My excitement for this game dropped by 1/2 and I'll probably only play local co-op
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Post by: Ashton on July 31, 2013, 10:31:34 PM
"I'm going to touch the tits of every slut in the game and there's nothing you can do to stop me."

"I will buy this just to piss off the feminism smothering itself in the industry"

Top comments. Stay classy Youtube.

The video is a perfect example of why I'm baffled at people who get ultra defensive over me not liking some decisions made. I don't know how this can be in the game and it be denied that the intention wasn't to titillate.
It's totally meant to titillate. I don't understand what's so hard to understand about that part.

FOr my part, my Tumblr and Facebook feed are filled with my female friends putting up stuff like this (http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18vlkpreowstqjpg/ku-medium.jpg) and worse (including some that are comparable to that uh... molestation thing), and I don't bat an eye. I've already fulfilled my social obligation by honestly considering the other side, turning the tables, and saying I'd have no problems with it.

Also, youtube comments are shit. I once saw a comment that said in full earnestness, no joke, "Men are just living sperm banks and we'd be better off if we killed all of them off." It's better to just disregard them as fuckwads being fuckwads.
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Post by: Agent D. on July 31, 2013, 10:32:46 PM
"I'm going to touch the tits of every slut in the game and there's nothing you can do to stop me."

"I will buy this just to piss off the feminism smothering itself in the industry"

Top comments. Stay classy Youtube.

The video is a perfect example of why I'm baffled at people who get ultra defensive over me not liking some decisions made. I don't know how this can be in the game and it be denied that the intention wasn't to titillate.
I giggled when the big hercules looking dude's arm shook when his nipple got caressed. That was funny. The orc was funny too...but the poor little orc getting squeezed seemed cruel.

The lady one was just dramatically oversexualized. She should have screamed oh GOD yes or something. I would have fell out of my chair laughing.
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Post by: Cyril on July 31, 2013, 10:34:30 PM
The fighter is a perfect example of the sexualization of male characters, actually.  Just like the female characters, his broad chest is overemphasized - and, guess what? Many women find broad chests attractive.  Gears of War is another example of this, though people claim it's a "male power fantasy" instead.  A man's penis doesn't need to be half-hanging out for him to be sexualized.  Just as a woman can be sexualized while fully clothed, so can men.

Wizard and Elf/Archer are probably the most normal of the bunch.  I actually like Wizard's design best and will probably be playing him.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree, though.
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Post by: (Tunnels) on July 31, 2013, 10:35:33 PM
"I'm going to touch the tits of every slut in the game and there's nothing you can do to stop me."

"I will buy this just to piss off the feminism smothering itself in the industry"

Top comments. Stay classy Youtube.

The video is a perfect example of why I'm baffled at people who get ultra defensive over me not liking some decisions made. I don't know how this can be in the game and it be denied that the intention wasn't to titillate.

I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in and guess that a lot of it comes about from idea that liking the game or the character designs in question somehow makes the player a bad person, or a sexist or a misogynist, which I would hope reasonable people would know is not the case.
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Post by: Dice on July 31, 2013, 10:36:01 PM
I must have missed the male character chained to the bed while you poke and prod their genitals.

The Fighter is clad entirely head to foot in thick armor, I fail to see the sexualiation.
The Wizard is wearing thick heavy robes, looks fairly pale and sickly. Not particularly sexual, your average mage-y looking type.
The Dwarf: Last I checked women weren't particularly fond of stout 60 year old men with an obsession for extreme body building.

Also that's not official art, it's done by the artist to be sure but it was used in a very public argument.

That's kind of a sticky socio-historical issue....  As in, men haven't really been made the objects of such attentive body gazing.  
http://beinglol.com/pic/If-Men-Posed-Like-Calender-Women-1354/order/most-viewed
This is sort of arbitrary, but we really haven't built up the male nude as much as the female nude (for better or worse) -- it's still something that's like *NEVER* seen even on HBO* even though they're willing to show all shapes, colours and sizes of breasts on 90% of their programming.

If anything men seem to get raised eyebrows for dress codes that show off too much, so getting the Fighter class in metallic bathing trunks just seems...unrealistic, even despite the way females are being angled.

I also got nothing against a handsome nude figure. :D

(http://i.imgur.com/16yGO.jpg)
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Post by: Agent D. on July 31, 2013, 10:40:14 PM
@Cyril I can understand your viewpoint, but as a guy, it's not nudity for me to walk around with my shirt off. Women are taught from a young age to keep their top half covered always all the time while men aren't told the same. Sure, a guy's broad, rippled chest may turn women and some men on, but it's like a women's thigh in that regard. To be perfectly honest, the penis is the male equivalent of the breasts on women, that's usually the part the opposite sex fantasizes about and that's where the issues come up. No one's walking around like Mark Wahlberg in Boogie Nights in the game, huh?
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Post by: Yoda on July 31, 2013, 10:43:07 PM
@Cyril I can understand your viewpoint, but as a guy, it's not nudity for me to walk around with my shirt off. Women are taught from a young age to keep their top half covered always all the time while men aren't told the same. Sure, a guy's broad, rippled chest may turn women and some men on, but it's like a women's thigh in that regard. To be perfectly honest, the penis is the male equivalent of the breasts on women, that's usually the part the opposite sex fantasizes about and that's where the issues come up. No one's walking around like Mark Wahlberg in Boogie Nights in the game, huh?

You're an idiot. Women may love what a penis does but I don't think any woman ever thought of a dick as a source of beauty the same way a man might think of breasts or thighs. At best women tolerate it for being a weird rod with veins and maybe a slight curve
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Post by: Ashton on July 31, 2013, 10:46:35 PM
Breasts will never be the equivalent of the penis. They are the equivalent of pecs.
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Post by: (Tunnels) on July 31, 2013, 10:47:35 PM
Edit: Posted before thinking things through.

Anyway, I have to disagree that any of the male characters in this game are sexualized. For an example of a male character design that has the same body type as the dwarf/fighter that is certainly sexualized, follow the link, although it is NSFW. No nudity or sex, but NSFW nevertheless: Link (http://24.media.tumblr.com/ceb52f266ae28683a6422de26474f43b/tumblr_ml0egfa9bz1qgqioso1_500.png)
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Post by: Agent D. on July 31, 2013, 10:49:49 PM
@Yoda
Coming from a straight male to another, yeah you're right. I can only use my limited experience with my sister's gay friends and a few odd magazine articles here and there to back my statement. However, the penis-breast comparison still stands, in terms of acceptable nature.

@Ashton
Shuddap, you doctor face

Meh, either way it's a japanese video game, and only the japanese could come up with such....sexualized content such as this. What ever happened to a guy and a girl, now we interact with a woman using LITERALLY a cursor?
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Post by: Starmongoose on July 31, 2013, 10:53:18 PM
@Ashton: I'm not a prude. Sexuality is fine, I don't have a Tumblr or anything like that, but I see plenty images of women is sexual poses etc. It doesn't bother me in the slightest, they are just images and I proudly support sex workers in their profession (well, as much as I can without paying them for their profession if you get me). I just don't score it any additional points whatsoever when sexual images are interwoven into a game for no reason. The buxomness of these women isn't anything to do with the story, they just come from a universe where all women are in someway like that.

Catherine is a great example of gaming and sexuality melding well.

The fighter is a perfect example of the sexualization of male characters, actually.  Just like the female characters, his broad chest is overemphasized - and, guess what? Many women find broad chests attractive.  Gears of War is another example of this, though people claim it's a "male power fantasy" instead.  A man's penis doesn't need to be half-hanging out for him to be sexualized.  Just as a woman can be sexualized while fully clothed, so can men.

Wizard and Elf/Archer are probably the most normal of the bunch.  I actually like Wizard's design best and will probably be playing him.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree, though.

Broad chested men aren't sexual just simply for the fact that they exist. The men aren't jutting out their asses and bending over like the Sorceress (while of course keeping the boobs in shot), are they? I never claimed that a mans penis had to be out, a penis is just a penis and boobs are just boobs, but it's intent that matters, and to me there is clear intent that the women are the ones portrayed as sexual objects only.

@Tunnels: I would never make personal assumptions on people like that. The funny thing is that I am perfectly down with the Otaku types who have their waifu's and have their hentai games, at least they are honest and know what they like.

@Dice: I'm aware. :P And we still don't have male objectification and sexalization in this game equal to that of women, so the trend continues.

Ps. I think abs are the equivalent to breasts on a man, but that might just be me. ;)
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Post by: (Tunnels) on July 31, 2013, 10:56:14 PM
@Tunnels: I would never make personal assumptions on people like that. The funny thing is that I am perfectly down with the Otaku types who have their waifu's and have their hentai games, at least they are honest and know what they like.

I know, and I apologize if you thought I was implying you were. I personally don't think anyone here on these boards is insinuating anything like that, or the reverse for that matter. I was just speaking more in terms of people in general.
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Post by: Yoda on July 31, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
I think all this gab is hiding the fact that they seemingly botched the co-op nature of the game, unless someone can talk me from my ledge
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Post by: Ashton on July 31, 2013, 10:59:11 PM
Agent D, There's a lot of reasons for that, many of which have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I agree Star, there is no reason. But there doesn't always have to be. I don't need context to necessarily enjoy an aspect of media. It's fine if you do, and even if you object! I'm okay with that and support you 100% in your reasoning. I just don't think too much about stuff like that.

On a related note, I always find it funny whenever women tell me to name a person that's in my socioracial group that's objectified in American media. I have to ask them to name an Asian person in any American media, period. They then proceed to call me a misogynist.
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Post by: Agent D. on July 31, 2013, 11:00:31 PM
I think all this gab is hiding the fact that they seemingly botched the co-op nature of the game, unless someone can talk me from my ledge.
The nature of the coop is unchanged though, just lacking a vocal option. We've already got stuff like skype to alleviate that situation if need be. It's possible I'd assume to patch it later if need be...unlikely but possible.
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Post by: Dice on July 31, 2013, 11:00:55 PM
I think all this gab is hiding the fact that they seemingly botched the co-op nature of the game, unless someone can talk me from my ledge

 I haven't heard of the "unlocking co-op" thing anywhere else but here and in that one post, soo.....
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Post by: Starmongoose on July 31, 2013, 11:01:05 PM
Edit: Posted before thinking things through.

Anyway, I have to disagree that any of the male characters in this game are sexualized. For an example of a male character design that has the same body type as the dwarf/fighter that is certainly sexualized, follow the link, although it is NSFW. No nudity or sex, but NSFW nevertheless: Link (http://24.media.tumblr.com/ceb52f266ae28683a6422de26474f43b/tumblr_ml0egfa9bz1qgqioso1_500.png)

Thank you Tunnels for giving a good example of the sexualization of a man.

I think all this gab is hiding the fact that they seemingly botched the co-op nature of the game, unless someone can talk me from my ledge

I'm more sad that you have to complete the game before we could play co-op. I thought we would all join in as total noobs and flail around without having a clue what we are doing.
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Post by: Dice on July 31, 2013, 11:03:08 PM
Edit: Posted before thinking things through.

Anyway, I have to disagree that any of the male characters in this game are sexualized. For an example of a male character design that has the same body type as the dwarf/fighter that is certainly sexualized, follow the link, although it is NSFW. No nudity or sex, but NSFW nevertheless: Link (http://24.media.tumblr.com/ceb52f266ae28683a6422de26474f43b/tumblr_ml0egfa9bz1qgqioso1_500.png)

Thank you Tunnels for giving a good example of the sexualization of a man.

I think all this gab is hiding the fact that they seemingly botched the co-op nature of the game, unless someone can talk me from my ledge

I'm more sad that you have to complete the game before we could play co-op. I thought we would all join in as total noobs and flail around without having a clue what we are doing.

I can't help but feel male sexualization is used more for comedic purposes (and no, not just in that image).

Maybe we screwed up somewhere.  But hey, men don't seem to find vag as sexy as the rest of the lady.  I can def say I feel that way about penis.
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Post by: Starmongoose on July 31, 2013, 11:05:58 PM
A majority of media is written and produced by men, it is a male dominated society after all. To them a male body is a source of comedy and derision. I also know it is a thing that a lot of women feel that the male body is also comical. Maybe it's just because I have a male body and also attracted to male bodies, but I like the design of it, and think it's just as good as a female design.

EDIT: My fingers hurt.
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Post by: Yoda on July 31, 2013, 11:07:31 PM
can you use skype on PS3? Is skype free?

Can you chat with a party?

Fuck it. Come on over and we'll play local
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Post by: Agent D. on July 31, 2013, 11:09:27 PM
I like when we all have opinions. It makes for an active evening of bitching and jokes.

@yodes skype's free, not on ps3 (on psps though...oddly), and works on all PCs, most phones, and I think some tablets....never tried though on tablets.
Edit: and yes, you can conference call with it,though idk max user number for it.
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Post by: PaleRobbie on July 31, 2013, 11:10:06 PM
Online co-op is locked until you finish the first nine stages.  After that, you get a B path trough each level to fight a different boss.  At this point, the online portion of the game is open.  You can play local co-op from the start.  

Hope that clears things up!  
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Post by: Agent D. on July 31, 2013, 11:11:19 PM
Online co-op is locked until you finish the first nine stages.  After that, you get a B path trough each level to fight a different boss.  At this point, the online portion of the game is open.  You can play local co-op from the start.  

Hope that clears things up!  
Ok, I missed that, and boy does my ass hurt now. Thanks Vanillaware.
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Post by: Dice on July 31, 2013, 11:11:27 PM
can you use skype on PS3? Is skype free?

Can you chat with a party?

Fuck it. Come on over and we'll play local

I'm so tempted to book a jet to your place to get stupid fucking drunk and play shitty-awesome co-op all night and tell school to eat my ass..... then return back in the morning because I'm a giant pussy against education.

Skype is easy to use and download for free.  I should be on there; use my email
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Post by: Lard on July 31, 2013, 11:13:55 PM
So.......is the game fun to play?

(The no in-game chat is definitely a weird choice)
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Post by: Yoda on July 31, 2013, 11:15:32 PM
can you use skype on PS3? Is skype free?

Can you chat with a party?

Fuck it. Come on over and we'll play local

I'm so tempted to book a jet to your place to get stupid fucking drunk and play shitty-awesome co-op all night and tell school to eat my ass..... then return back in the morning because I'm a giant pussy against education.

Skype is easy to use and download for free.  I should be on there; use my email

I've got a for real two weeks off in October
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Post by: (Tunnels) on July 31, 2013, 11:16:35 PM
can you use skype on PS3? Is skype free?

Can you chat with a party?

Fuck it. Come on over and we'll play local

I'm so tempted to book a jet to your place to get stupid fucking drunk and play shitty-awesome co-op all night and tell school to eat my ass..... then return back in the morning because I'm a giant pussy against education.

That sounds awesome. Fuck, I need more local friends to play co-op and get drunk.
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Post by: PrismFlux on July 31, 2013, 11:17:54 PM
So.......is the game fun to play?

(The no in-game chat is definitely a weird choice)
I recommend checking the link below for your answer. :)
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2013/1589.html (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2013/1589.html)
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Post by: Kevadu on August 01, 2013, 12:01:15 AM
Man...I'm gone for a few hours and what the hell happened to this thread...
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Post by: Dice on August 01, 2013, 12:02:16 AM
Man...I'm gone for a few hours and what the hell happened to this thread...

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4778546176/h7ACD9B98/
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Post by: Agent D. on August 01, 2013, 12:14:24 AM
Grand things....glorious things....
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Post by: Lard on August 01, 2013, 12:38:40 AM
So.......is the game fun to play?

(The no in-game chat is definitely a weird choice)
I recommend checking the link below for your answer. :)
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2013/1589.html (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2013/1589.html)

Well that's a good sign. The review in general seem quite positive.
I can get over any qualms I might have (and I don't really have any) with the artwork if it seems like they're not using it to cover up weak game play.
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Post by: PrismFlux on August 01, 2013, 12:42:33 AM
Well that's a good sign. The review in general seem quite positive.
I can get over any qualms I might have (and I don't really have any) with the artwork if it seems like they're not using it to cover up weak game play.

Yea everything I've heard from them indicated basically that it's fun, but much much more fun multiplayer.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 01, 2013, 01:00:15 AM
So I take it we're all learning tuesday and teaming up wednesday?
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Post by: Sagacious-T on August 01, 2013, 02:37:40 AM
I just don't score it any additional points whatsoever when sexual images are interwoven into a game for no reason. The buxomness of these women isn't anything to do with the story, they just come from a universe where all women are in someway like that.

So? A lot of elements can be put into a story for no reason other than themselves. That doesn't make them any less interesting. You can take almost any form of fictional world and find countless impractical elements that still lend themselves to the story through their own merits.

Broad chested men aren't sexual just simply for the fact that they exist.

(http://i.imgur.com/CV2duZg.jpg)
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Post by: Dice on August 01, 2013, 08:41:54 AM
There's that pretty scandalous Barbarian in the review image.  It's interesting.
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Post by: ULTROS! on August 01, 2013, 11:45:10 AM
I got the game and I'm an hour in (Vita version). English Asian edition.

Pretty game, great voice acting.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 01, 2013, 02:29:02 PM
ok... there has been way too much going on here in this thread for me to backtrack, quote and properly reply. so I am gonna make this a general statement to all those who kindly assisted in clarifying "skyping" to me.

first I thank you.

secondly, no i truly did not know about skyping. furthermore, you would be astounded at how cleverly ignorant I have remained  to some major progressive staples of society, particularly in the avenue of media, social networks, eletronics and even gaming. As stated, Dragons Crown will be the first effort I have ever made to play online multi-player in any respect. I didn't even add friends to my game accounts until 2 months ago with my little animal planet effort (epic fail).

adapting to advancing tech for me is a necessary evil I begrudgingly accept. if I had things my way phones would still have chords on them... skyping just has not proved a necessary adaptation for me (yet).

is my stance ignorant? most certainly. logical? certainly not. Am i defending it? by no means. just being honest. thank you for entertaining my idiocy without laughing (too hard). LoL
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Post by: Yoda on August 01, 2013, 03:35:32 PM
ok... there has been way too much going on here in this thread for me to backtrack, quote and properly reply. so I am gonna make this a general statement to all those who kindly assisted in clarifying "skyping" to me.

first I thank you.

secondly, no i truly did not know about skyping. furthermore, you would be astounded at how cleverly ignorant I have remained  to some major progressive staples of society, particularly in the avenue of media, social networks, eletronics and even gaming. As stated, Dragons Crown will be the first effort I have ever made to play online multi-player in any respect. I didn't even add friends to my game accounts until 2 months ago with my little animal planet effort (epic fail).

adapting to advancing tech for me is a necessary evil I begrudgingly accept. if I had things my way phones would still have chords on them... skyping just has not proved a necessary adaptation for me (yet).

is my stance ignorant? most certainly. logical? certainly not. Am i defending it? by no means. just being honest. thank you for entertaining my idiocy without laughing (too hard). LoL

Chill dadio, we be in the same boat.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 01, 2013, 03:40:25 PM
You have multiplayer experience yodes...I played Mass Effect 3 once with you that I recall.
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Post by: Yoda on August 01, 2013, 03:48:59 PM
You have multiplayer experience yodes...I played Mass Effect 3 once with you that I recall.

I was referring to the skype situation.

We played a few times, I think. It was a good time.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 01, 2013, 04:58:54 PM
If I can pull it off I may remain skype-less. I think I read something about there being emotion icons to express yourself or something to that effect...
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Post by: Dice on August 01, 2013, 08:23:29 PM
Necessary to post this:

(http://i.imgur.com/LgE0odH.gif)
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Post by: Agent D. on August 01, 2013, 08:30:58 PM
Necessary to post this:

(http://i.imgur.com/LgE0odH.gif)
I wonder if we can poke and prod the rat. Now THAT would be hilarious.

@Klyde why you no wanna talk to us? Just imagine what we sound like when you read our posts on the forum. They've gotta be close, right?

I eagerly await hearing Starmongoose sounding like Sean Connery. Should be astounding (even though I know otherwise).
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Post by: Starmongoose on August 01, 2013, 08:36:03 PM
Anyone else sick of the sexualization of mice in video games? jk

@Agent: You will only be disappointed.

Question about the Skype call thing. Aren't we gonna hear everyones TV? Sounds like it could be loud.
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Post by: Yoda on August 01, 2013, 08:38:20 PM
This blew up in our faces
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Post by: Yggdrasil on August 01, 2013, 08:51:56 PM
Dragon's Crown - A discussion on reviews and the depiction of women (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Q5KD7zwBs) -- TotalBiscuit, YouTube

---

@Dice: Mickey Mouse hat.
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Post by: Kevadu on August 01, 2013, 08:55:57 PM
Question about the Skype call thing. Aren't we gonna hear everyones TV? Sounds like it could be loud.

Probably going to want some kind of mic.

This blew up in our faces

???
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Post by: Aeolus on August 01, 2013, 09:59:19 PM
Necessary to post this:

(http://i.imgur.com/LgE0odH.gif)

Are there any marching brooms in this game?

Also that tail is WAY too long. Must be really uncomfortable for that rat to walk around with such a huge tail.
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Post by: kofvscapcom on August 01, 2013, 10:07:15 PM
could use a headset, I usually mute my tv when playing with skype on anyways
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Post by: Agent D. on August 01, 2013, 11:00:28 PM
You won't have a problem from me with skype, I use my cellphone headset, so I generally have little to no feedback from the other noise sources. You all will, however, bear the pleasure of hearing me shout obscenities at my old man every now and then if it's early still. Some think it's quite funny though, like a terrible sitcom.
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Post by: Dice on August 01, 2013, 11:04:28 PM
Huh.... so I guess I can just use my PS headshot or microphone for this....

EDIT: I meant headsetWeird.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 01, 2013, 11:21:29 PM
Huh.... so I guess I can just use my PS headshot or microphone for this....

EDIT: I meant headsetWeird.
If you have a psp2000 or better, you can use that for skype just fine too, assuming you have the materials needed to use it. When I used to play PSU, I would skype with a few guys over my psp to better coordinate (bullshit with) my buddies while playing. Audio quality wasn't astounding, but not having to stop and type a message out definitely made speed runs better. Cellphones offer great quality for skype, but there is the whole issue about the phones running hot doing so.

Honestly, pc is the best way to go if you can, and a USB headset is ideal.

Edit over double post: This was interesting...
http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/08/02/dragons-crown-sells-more-than-300000-units-in-japan-between-retail-and-download-shortages-continue/

300k copies of the game sold already...in a week.
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Post by: Ashton on August 02, 2013, 12:07:21 PM
Was there ever any reason given for no crossplay? I can understand - grudgingly - the reasoning for no cross buy, but no cross-play? Come on.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 02, 2013, 12:48:54 PM
Was there ever any reason given for no crossplay? I can understand - grudgingly - the reasoning for no cross buy, but no cross-play? Come on.
My money's on a simple lack of funding.
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Post by: Kevadu on August 02, 2013, 01:37:32 PM
Simple lack of programming expertise, probably.  From what I've heard cross-play isn't trivial to implement, and Vanillaware has always been kind of lacking on the technical side of things.  They've an art-first company.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 02, 2013, 05:04:45 PM


@Klyde why you no wanna talk to us? Just imagine what we sound like when you read our posts on the forum. They've gotta be close, right?



I'm totally down for being able to chat with you guys but setting up this whole skype thing and whatnot seems like it could turn me off to the experience altogeather... I can easily see my frustration besting me into saying "screw this man, I got tales of xilia sitting right over there!".

My cell phone # is 570-862-8743. if anyone wants to talk to me use that. I am already familiar with how to use my phone-LoL
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Post by: Annubis on August 02, 2013, 05:14:12 PM
Whenever I order pizza in Canada and they ask me my number, that is now the number I'll tell them.
Say "yes" when they ask if you ordered 2 medium all-dressed pizzas.
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Post by: Dice on August 02, 2013, 06:09:08 PM
Just got it

Pretty as hell, it seems to always find a way to be impressive because it looks like they DID put as much time as it looks.

Gameplay is good, but obviously meant with someone.  I can see the value of having a 1p tutorial session, but....dammit, still, that sucks.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 02, 2013, 06:19:15 PM


@Klyde why you no wanna talk to us? Just imagine what we sound like when you read our posts on the forum. They've gotta be close, right?



I'm totally down for being able to chat with you guys but setting up this whole skype thing and whatnot seems like it could turn me off to the experience altogeather... I can easily see my frustration besting me into saying "screw this man, I got tales of xilia sitting right over there!".

My cell phone # is 570-862-8743. if anyone wants to talk to me use that. I am already familiar with how to use my phone-LoL
You can't conference a cell phone with 4-10 people though (without some serious extra costs involved). Skype is beyond easy to set up, and you can use it on a smartphone easily too. Download app, make account with user name,give us your user name or take ours and call us from the app using said username. Cakewalk.
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Post by: Starmongoose on August 02, 2013, 06:29:27 PM
Should you really put your number out like that Klyde?
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Post by: Aeolus on August 02, 2013, 09:50:43 PM
Should you really put your number out like that Klyde?

Here. Not to make him feel lonely, I'll put out mine as well. It's 555-867-5309.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 02, 2013, 10:41:52 PM
Should you really put your number out like that Klyde?

Here. Not to make him feel lonely, I'll put out mine as well. It's 555-867-5309.
Oh, you!
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Post by: Dice on August 02, 2013, 10:51:14 PM
Mine is 1-800-BIG- oh shoot, sorry.  That's the "other" work number. ...*phew*
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Post by: kofvscapcom on August 02, 2013, 10:59:57 PM
oh man, time to prank call order pizzas, wanna tell me where you live too?
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Post by: Agent D. on August 03, 2013, 12:14:36 PM
Well since we're all joining in, might as well throw mine in the mix.

555-867-530 Niiiiiiiiiiinnnneeeee.
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Post by: Starmongoose on August 03, 2013, 12:20:11 PM
All right, all right. Here's mine.

0118 999 881 999 119 725...3
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 03, 2013, 01:53:41 PM
Should you really put your number out like that Klyde?

I use the same # for my work as I do all personal matters. I used two phones for years and it became a hassle. That being the case, my number is easily accessible to anyone looking to get a tattoo from me. Seeing as how the only things I do in life is tattoo, play games and come on here to talk about both it only seems appropriate you guys got my number! Or at the very least, it being accessible to the community here certainly does not seem risky in any sense.

oh man, time to prank call order pizzas, wanna tell me where you live too?

There is not one common ingredient in pizza I can have.. makes me sad... If you are gonna prank me, order me a salad made of just baby spinach with the dressing on the side. Thank you for your consideration of my allergies/intolerances whilst engaging in shenanigans :)

You can't conference a cell phone with 4-10 people though (without some serious extra costs involved). Skype is beyond easy to set up, and you can use it on a smartphone easily too. Download app, make account with user name,give us your user name or take ours and call us from the app using said username. Cakewalk.

Damnit D! Fine!! I'll get this "skype" figured out by tuesday but when your getting "skyped" at 4:30 am with messages like "can the sexy dwarf come out and play...?" I don't want to here any bitching!
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Post by: Agent D. on August 03, 2013, 04:38:27 PM
That's easy. I'll shut the app off :)
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 03, 2013, 05:10:40 PM
ok... I just spent way longer than I care to admit trying to figure out this skype thing now only to uncover I also need to pay for this service. Sorry D, I am back to going skype-less.

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Post by: Kevadu on August 03, 2013, 05:19:19 PM
ok... I just spent way longer than I care to admit trying to figure out this skype thing now only to uncover I also need to pay for this service. Sorry D, I am back to going skype-less.

What?  Skype is free, man.  Only costs money if you want to call a normal telephone number from Skype.
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Post by: Aeolus on August 03, 2013, 05:26:24 PM
Well since we're all joining in, might as well throw mine in the mix.

555-867-530 Niiiiiiiiiiinnnneeeee.

Hey man, get your own fake number.

It the only one I have, and I'm going to use it when I feeling better, once I get home.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 03, 2013, 06:06:16 PM
ok... I just spent way longer than I care to admit trying to figure out this skype thing now only to uncover I also need to pay for this service. Sorry D, I am back to going skype-less.

What?  Skype is free, man.  Only costs money if you want to call a normal telephone number from Skype.

oops, i thought i needed to get a skype # (3 months for 18.00)... that aside I can't even get the app working. This is why I have an aversion to these sorts of things. Techno intended to simplify and streamline my life in the wake of my idiocy just cost me 3 hrs of an afternoon I'll never get back. I'm not blaming skype. It is not skype that is the problem, it is me... Regardless, I will have more fun poppin the game in and playing without all this prep work.
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Post by: Kevadu on August 03, 2013, 06:17:24 PM
ok... I just spent way longer than I care to admit trying to figure out this skype thing now only to uncover I also need to pay for this service. Sorry D, I am back to going skype-less.

What?  Skype is free, man.  Only costs money if you want to call a normal telephone number from Skype.

oops, i thought i needed to get a skype # (3 months for 18.00)... that aside I can't even get the app working. This is why I have an aversion to these sorts of things. Techno intended to simplify and streamline my life in the wake of my idiocy just cost me 3 hrs of an afternoon I'll never get back. I'm not blaming skype. It is not skype that is the problem, it is me... Regardless, I will have more fun poppin the game in and playing without all this prep work.

Damn it, Klyde, I refuse to give up on you!  What do you mean by you can't get the app to work?  It doesn't run at all?  You can't log in?  You can't make calls (try the Skype Call Testing service first)?  What?

What are you running this on, anyway?
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Post by: Starmongoose on August 03, 2013, 06:21:44 PM
I'm having flash backs to explaining to my gran how the iPad works.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 03, 2013, 06:24:02 PM
ok... I just spent way longer than I care to admit trying to figure out this skype thing now only to uncover I also need to pay for this service. Sorry D, I am back to going skype-less.


It's free skype to skype. Don't EVER pay for the service. Here, easy answer, did you make your account? If so, gimme your username and hold out a minute.

Edit: Matter of fact, gonna toss up my username now for shits and giggles. Wanna put it on my S4 too, so I need to test it on a few areas....

Skype name is agentdv101
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 03, 2013, 06:27:51 PM
i couldn't even sign up regular because the recaptcha thingy won't load on my computer so i signed in with facebook... i don't know what my user name is... klyde chroma?

EDIT: at the top of the page it says facebook:klyded so maybe my name is klyded?
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Post by: Agent D. on August 03, 2013, 06:28:41 PM
Grr.....gimme 5 minutes,gotta fix something.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 03, 2013, 06:29:52 PM
Grr.....gimme 5 minutes,gotta fix something.

cool, also it would be an iphone 4 i'd be using
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Post by: Kevadu on August 03, 2013, 06:45:00 PM
I sent contact requests to Klyde and Agent D.  If anyone else wants my skype please PM me.  I don't really want to post it here because it uses my real name (gasp)...
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Post by: Agent D. on August 03, 2013, 06:47:10 PM
Ok, I added you, wanna test it?
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 03, 2013, 06:57:11 PM
ok! got the app working on my phone! My name is klyded... I don't see or know where any requests are though..
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Post by: Agent D. on August 03, 2013, 07:04:03 PM
*inserts final fantasy victory fanfare*

Klyde has officially joined the modern age of VoIP calls.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 03, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
WOW!!!  I GOT SKYPE WORKING!! I just talked to D in REAL TIME!!!! I feel like I have leveled up... evolved in a sense... expect a new avatar when I get out of work tonite. Good lord am I proud. Thanks for the support guys. I could not/would not have done this without u :)
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Post by: Kevadu on August 03, 2013, 07:14:19 PM
WOW!!!  I GOT SKYPE WORKING!! I just talked to D in REAL TIME!!!! I feel like I have leveled up... evolved in a sense... expect a new avatar when I get out of work tonite. Good lord am I proud. Thanks for the support guys. I could not/would not have done this without u :)

I sent you a contact request, Klyde.  You still haven't added me :(
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Post by: Starmongoose on August 03, 2013, 07:57:42 PM
Starmongoose1991 add meh.
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Post by: kofvscapcom on August 03, 2013, 09:38:22 PM
add meh in skype and psn gais, I use my current username for everything an my skype email is kofvscapcom@gmail.com
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Post by: Yggdrasil on August 04, 2013, 01:05:45 PM
So I've decided after seeing the review of EpicNameBro on YouTube that I'll skip Dragon's Crown and put time into Tekken Tag 2 instead.

Not a big loss since the game isn't for me anyway. That said, have fun messing around online!
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Post by: Yoda on August 04, 2013, 02:35:29 PM
OK this is a busy ass week for me (except for today. I called in sick for a mental health day) but I'll skype it up w/ you rowdies
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Post by: Dice on August 04, 2013, 03:46:20 PM
OK this is a busy ass week for me (except for today. I called in sick for a mental health day) but I'll skype it up w/ you rowdies

PM email or whatever your skype....if you want. :(
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Post by: ferretwraith on August 04, 2013, 04:02:06 PM
I am incredibly torn on rather or not to get this game.  I'm sure I would positively adore it for the first 5 hours, but I really can't see myself getting enjoyment out of turning a beat 'em up into a loot grinder.  I'm sure there is a swarm of people out there with this same view as me who will be purchasing it, so I can definitely see used copies showing up for half-price within 2 months from now.  But if I go that route, then I'm not supporting the development of games I would like to see exist, a sad offense to glorious dancing wizard mice everywhere.  Hmm...
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Post by: Agent D. on August 04, 2013, 04:16:29 PM
I am incredibly torn on rather or not to get this game.  I'm sure I would positively adore it for the first 5 hours, but I really can't see myself getting enjoyment out of turning a beat 'em up into a loot grinder.  I'm sure there is a swarm of people out there with this same view as me who will be purchasing it, so I can definitely see used copies showing up for half-price within 2 months from now.  But if I go that route, then I'm not supporting the development of games I would like to see exist, a sad offense to glorious dancing wizard mice everywhere.  Hmm...
I don't see people playing this for an extended period of time unless the online service and the item system are significant enough honestly. Waiting 2 months to play will probably kill online fun unless you get a dedicated group of people.
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Post by: Rockko on August 04, 2013, 06:21:24 PM
Just got my shipment notice from Amazon. Looking forward to playing this with my wife. I'm always looking for good couch co-op games like this. Between this and Diablo III next month, we should be set for a while....
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Post by: Yggdrasil on August 04, 2013, 07:36:32 PM
Forgot to put the review I saw here:

Dragon's Crown Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UdxgvM11o8) -- EpicNameBro, YouTube

"Dragon's Crown is a fantasy RPG beat 'em up from Vanillaware (George Kamitani) with music by Basiscape (Hitoshi Sakimoto). Its gameplay is similar to the old Capcom D&D arcade games, Tower of Doom and Shadow over Mystara, but it has loot systems similar to Diablo / Torchlight / Borderlands and a skill system for character customization.

Dragon's Crown also has local and online co-op as well as a small PvP arena. It's a beautiful, addictive game with tons of action and style, but it also has some negative aspects as well, mostly relating to the story and pacing. Some also argue that it is missing some key features as well, but the missing features are relatively minor to me.

Sorry for the video glitches, encoding issue with Vegas."
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Post by: Giga_Force on August 05, 2013, 02:07:22 PM
It actually infuriates me that most people will only remember this game because of the character animations.  People need to grow up,lol.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 05, 2013, 02:16:59 PM
It actually infuriates me that most people will only remember this game because of the character animations.  People need to grow up,lol.
I hope my new avatar helps diffuse some of the disgust regarding the sorceress (or adds new disgust,lol).
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Post by: Kevadu on August 05, 2013, 03:10:04 PM
It actually infuriates me that most people will only remember this game because of the character animations.  People need to grow up,lol.
I hope my new avatar helps diffuse some of the disgust regarding the sorceress (or adds new disgust,lol).

...definitely adding disgust...
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Post by: Dincrest on August 05, 2013, 03:39:19 PM
It actually infuriates me that most people will only remember this game because of the character animations.  People need to grow up,lol.

Dead or Alive suffers this same fate.  Take away the jiggle gimmick, and it's actually a really good fighting game series.  (I'm not counting the beach stuff.  That's just lame fanservice).  Sure Dead or Alive 5 was overshadowed by Tekken Tag 2 or P4: Arena, but it's a hoot to play. 

And I wonder if Dragon's Crown has a sense of humor about the "jiggle."  Like in Code of Princess, Solange traipses around wearing less than a bikini (though she insists it's a designer royal gown *chortle*) and the running gag throughout is people telling her she's dressed like a hoochie or chiding her to put some clothes on. 

Dragon's Crown is not the first nor will it be the last to get this kind of attention, but it just happens to be the current lightning rod of righteous indignation.  And it IS a good game under the "gimmick."  But it's like this: Let's take two identical rock bands, same level of musical talent, same level of songwriting, same everything.  Only difference is that one band is a plain-clothes band that doesn't have a lot of presence and the other is very visual: fog, lights, stage outfits... which one will get more publicity?  Which one will be remembered? 
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Post by: Agent D. on August 05, 2013, 03:51:08 PM
As the saying goes,bad press is still press.
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Post by: Dincrest on August 05, 2013, 04:31:03 PM
The bad press gets your attention.  The fact that Dragon's Crown is a good game will KEEP your attention. 

It's like the whole paradigm of getting a man/woman vs. keeping a man/woman. 
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Post by: Giga_Force on August 05, 2013, 04:57:33 PM
That is true.  You know what infuriates me more, though?  The fact that it's release is right when Phase 4 of the XIV beta starts.  I have friends who will be playing the crap out of the beta and I feel like I'm going to rush through DC and not get a great experience.
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Post by: Dincrest on August 05, 2013, 05:01:44 PM
August is a cramped month for gaming this year.  I've said it many times: Dragon's Crown, Tales of Xillia, DuckTales: Remastered, Hatsune Miku: Project Diva F... time and wallets will be drained. 
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 05, 2013, 05:44:04 PM
That is true.  You know what infuriates me more, though?  The fact that it's release is right when Phase 4 of the XIV beta starts.  I have friends who will be playing the crap out of the beta and I feel like I'm going to rush through DC and not get a great experience.

I sort of feel the same way in a different respect. To be honest, I KNOW I am going to rush the hell out of DC so I can pop in Xilia.

August is a cramped month for gaming this year.  I've said it many times: Dragon's Crown, Tales of Xillia, DuckTales: Remastered, Hatsune Miku: Project Diva F... time and wallets will be drained. 

You can say that again! My total gamestop purchase tomorrow comes to nearly 300 bucks! I'm stoked though I can't help but recognize I could have almost paid off a ps4 for that-LoL
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Post by: Kevadu on August 05, 2013, 06:29:19 PM
August is a cramped month for gaming this year.  I've said it many times: Dragon's Crown, Tales of Xillia, DuckTales: Remastered, Hatsune Miku: Project Diva F... time and wallets will be drained. 

Don't forget Divekick! ;)

Come on...Divekick...

My copy of Xillia is on the way but I'm probably just going to wait on it unitl after DC.  It really is a crazy month, though...
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Post by: Yoda on August 05, 2013, 06:50:15 PM
ok Syz9000 on skype and PSN
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Post by: Yoda on August 05, 2013, 07:05:43 PM
All right, all right. Here's mine.

0118 999 881 999 119 725...3

shut up
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Post by: Starmongoose on August 05, 2013, 07:12:40 PM
All right, all right. Here's mine.

0118 999 881 999 119 725...3

shut up

no u
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Post by: Dice on August 05, 2013, 07:20:20 PM
now now, kiss and make up
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Post by: PrismFlux on August 05, 2013, 07:20:56 PM
now now, kiss and make up
.. and take pictures, and post them.
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Post by: Yoda on August 05, 2013, 07:33:59 PM
eww his tongue is like a cat's
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Post by: Dice on August 05, 2013, 07:38:01 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6zyqi2mrl1qexasqo1_500.jpg)
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Post by: Agent D. on August 06, 2013, 12:17:41 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6zyqi2mrl1qexasqo1_500.jpg)
Hot...

I am so fucking excited for tomorrow....except I don't have enough cash for both Xillia and DC. Gonna have to trade some extra shit in for the difference. Problem is...what do I trade?
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Post by: Lard on August 06, 2013, 12:22:56 AM
What are your choices
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Post by: Agent D. on August 06, 2013, 12:29:59 AM
What are your choices
Mass effect 2 and 3 on xbob. Metal Gear Rising, Dragon's Dogma DA, The Last of Us, and Tekken Tag Tournament 2 for ps3. I also have my old ds lite and psp 2000 that I don't play anymore and have no games for, so those may go back too...

Xbob stuff is definitely going since I'm selling that when my friend returns it after he beats Tales of Vesperia. Don't wanna sell TLoA since it's the best PS3 game ever. TTT2 also is a game I really like and would be against selling unless I had no choice., and Dark Arisen I haven't platinumed yet, but I only need like 2 more trophies for it I think. I may just do MGR and the handhelds, and hope for the best afterwards.
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Post by: Dice on August 06, 2013, 12:35:51 AM
What are your choices
Mass effect 2 and 3 on xbob. Metal Gear Rising, Dragon's Dogma DA, The Last of Us, and Tekken Tag Tournament 2 for ps3. I also have my old ds lite and psp 2000 that I don't play anymore and have no games for, so those may go back too...

Xbob stuff is definitely going since I'm selling that when my friend returns it after he beats Tales of Vesperia. Don't wanna sell TLoA since it's the best PS3 game ever. TTT2 also is a game I really like and would be against selling unless I had no choice., and Dark Arisen I haven't platinumed yet, but I only need like 2 more trophies for it I think. I may just do MGR and the handhelds, and hope for the best afterwards.

There's like a billion copies of TLoU floating around, in a year, the game will be $20 brand new I bet. 

After working at EBGames, that's how 80% of the staff play.  We buy games Day1, trade it while the exchange is high, then buy it again when it's dirt cheap.  EB/GS are really good with trade promos at least, so you may get a boost for newer stuff.
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Post by: kofvscapcom on August 06, 2013, 11:30:24 AM
my copy just arrived, I'll work on the single player. No artbook though, I guess newegg doesn't get preorders, I;m so salty.
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Post by: Annubis on August 06, 2013, 11:42:48 AM
After working at EBGames, that's how 80% of the staff play.  We buy games Day1, trade it while the exchange is high, then buy it again when it's dirt cheap.  EB/GS are really good with trade promos at least, so you may get a boost for newer stuff.

So trading in my TLoU for Xillia would be a smart move?
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Post by: Agent D. on August 06, 2013, 12:29:20 PM
On the bus omw home now with both xillia and DC...bus is slow as hell, took 40 minutes to get here AND it's packed.

Edit: ok, how the FUCK did this game get a Teen rating from the esrb? How?
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Post by: ultra7k on August 06, 2013, 01:49:54 PM
Something tells me when I go in to pick up my copy of Xillia, I'll also be walking out with this game as well....
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Post by: Kevadu on August 06, 2013, 03:44:44 PM
So now I have two copies of the limited edition artbook.  Anyone want one?
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Post by: Agent D. on August 06, 2013, 04:46:34 PM
Currently level 12 fighter...I gotta whine for a second. This game is pretty...but that's about it so far. This multiplayer shit needs to open up soon, I'm about to pass out from the simplicity. The second boss was the only difficulty I have encountered so far. I also may be overleveled already, but they're feeding me exp...

I hope you guys are almost multiplayer ready...
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Post by: Dincrest on August 06, 2013, 04:49:23 PM
That seems to be a sticking point- that multiplayer has to be unlocked.  I hated that about Ragnarok DS- I had to schlep through 3/4s of the lousy single-player campaign to unlock multiplayer. 
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Post by: Kevadu on August 06, 2013, 05:16:36 PM
I hope you guys are almost multiplayer ready...

Almost ready?  I haven't even started the game yet!

Guys, I started it up and my PS3 died... :(

Looks like I'm completely out for the whole multiplayer business.  My PS3 has thoroughly YLODed a second time.  What great timing...

So unless somebody wants to play on the Vita with me...
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Post by: kofvscapcom on August 06, 2013, 08:28:43 PM
So now I have two copies of the limited edition artbook.  Anyone want one?

I'm considering giving you moneys for one, I really wanted one. Also, lvl 10 amazon and just got back from work, time to finish the single player quick
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Post by: Agent D. on August 06, 2013, 08:52:37 PM
I hope you guys are almost multiplayer ready...

Almost ready?  I haven't even started the game yet!

Guys, I started it up and my PS3 died... :(

Looks like I'm completely out for the whole multiplayer business.  My PS3 has thoroughly YLODed a second time.  What great timing...

So unless somebody wants to play on the Vita with me...
Wow man...my condolences.
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Post by: Dice on August 06, 2013, 09:18:39 PM
Apparently Atlus has a really snazzy PSN theme related to this game.  FYI/NYK

And daaamn Kev.  That's literally the worst news.  What bad, bad timing.  I'm guessing a new PS3 is completely out of the question, budget-wise.  I'm really worried mine's gonna crap out on me soon too actually.
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Post by: Kevadu on August 06, 2013, 10:12:28 PM
I was so proud of myself for getting my PS3 working again after the first time it YLODed.  I guess I could try that again, but it's kind of a pain in the ass and there's no guarantee it's going to hold out a second time...

I guess I could get a new PS3, but I refuse to pay $270 for a bundle with some game I don't want.  Why the heck haven't they cut the price by now.  PS3s ought to be like $200...I would pay $200 for a new one.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 06, 2013, 10:20:10 PM
I was so proud of myself for getting my PS3 working again after the first time it YLODed.  I guess I could try that again, but it's kind of a pain in the ass and there's no guarantee it's going to hold out a second time...

I guess I could get a new PS3, but I refuse to pay $270 for a bundle with some game I don't want.  Why the heck haven't they cut the price by now.  PS3s ought to be like $200...I would pay $200 for a new one.
Why not just send it in for a service repair? I did that for my graphical problem and my system came back good as new. Cost me 130 bucks, but that was like a year ago.
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Post by: Kevadu on August 06, 2013, 10:34:21 PM
I was so proud of myself for getting my PS3 working again after the first time it YLODed.  I guess I could try that again, but it's kind of a pain in the ass and there's no guarantee it's going to hold out a second time...

I guess I could get a new PS3, but I refuse to pay $270 for a bundle with some game I don't want.  Why the heck haven't they cut the price by now.  PS3s ought to be like $200...I would pay $200 for a new one.
Why not just send it in for a service repair? I did that for my graphical problem and my system came back good as new. Cost me 130 bucks, but that was like a year ago.

This system is long outside of any kind of warranty.  I got it in like 2008.  Do they still do repairs on systems like that?

Besides, to truly fix a YLOD you need a complete motherboard replacement, which is practically a new system anyway.

Edit:
OK, I looked into it.  Seems I can get a refurbished PS3 Slim for $129 if I send in my old system.  That's not a bad deal, though I don't know that I trust a refurb system...

But there's another problem: My Dragon's Crown disc is still stuck in my PS3!  And the 'trick' to get a disc out of a YLODed PS3 isn't working.  (Supposedly if you hold down the eject button with the power off on the hard switch in the back of the system and then turn the power on while keeping your finger on the eject button it's supposed to eject the disc, but I'm having zero luck with that...)  So I guess I need to disassemble the blu-ray drive...

I knew I'd be disassembling something...

Edit again:
And I did it.  Disassembled the blu-ray drive and took my disc out.  That turned out to be surprisingly much easier than I thought it would be.  Only took like 15 minutes.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 07, 2013, 12:45:29 AM
They'll repair the system any time btw, Kevadu. Mine is a launch console, and they gave me no grief.

Multiplayer mode achieved. Who's ready to do some COOP!!!!
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 07, 2013, 03:15:40 AM
They'll repair the system any time btw, Kevadu. Mine is a launch console, and they gave me no grief.

Multiplayer mode achieved. Who's ready to do some COOP!!!!

I'll be ready by tomorrow good sir! I'd be ready to join you in co-op madness by now if I didn't spend so much time with the wizard before realizing the elf gameplay was infinitely more enjoyable.

I just played the hell out of this thing today!! I am shocked... this typically isn't my type of game (action-ee) but seriously I've had illicit drugs that were less addicting than this.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 07, 2013, 03:38:56 AM
I got my fighter to level 22, and I pretty much consider this pso-lite. I'll be one for a while tomorrow, probably til about 5:30 pm edt.

I gotta say, post single player really amps the difficulty a bit. Now it's challenging...I like it.
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Post by: Kevadu on August 07, 2013, 04:51:34 AM
Elf is a  blast.  A very versatile character.  I'm glad I ignored the game's warning about beginner/expert classes.

I only have one more stage to clear before I can do multiplayer, not that this has any relevance 'cause I'm stuck on Vita...I'm gonna do some sidequests...
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Post by: Agent D. on August 07, 2013, 04:56:12 AM
Elf is a  blast.  A very versatile character.  I'm glad I ignored the game's warning about beginner/expert classes.

I only have one more stage to clear before I can do multiplayer, not that this has any relevance 'cause I'm stuck on Vita...I'm gonna do some sidequests...
You can do em all in multiplayer, btw.

Edit: Updated avatar pic, AWESOME.
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Post by: kofvscapcom on August 07, 2013, 10:03:18 AM
just unlocked multiplayer and ahmahgawd, there's a boss that references monty python and I found it to be the hardest boss thus far. Couldnt stop laughing the entire fight. There's a skyrim reference too, what's going on?
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Post by: ultra7k on August 07, 2013, 01:36:34 PM
Wish I had more time to play!
Ended up walking out of EB with my TOX preorder and the last copy of this for Vita.

Currently...level 3 elf. Still have a ways to go! I really like that food isn't insta-heal, and they have to stand there munching on it for a bit.

Just for comparison's sake, how long is one single player campaign? I'm kinda itching to give multi a go.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 07, 2013, 02:18:43 PM
You have to beat the initial 9 stages to access network mode.
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Post by: ultra7k on August 07, 2013, 02:24:48 PM
cool...thanks! guess i'm about 1/5th of the way there!
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Post by: Dice on August 07, 2013, 02:34:08 PM
cool...thanks! guess i'm about 1/5th of the way there!

(http://i.imgur.com/eQ8ECXX.gif)
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Post by: kofvscapcom on August 08, 2013, 12:13:31 PM
welp got all the talismans and waiting at the final boss
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 08, 2013, 05:42:00 PM
grrrr... one more stage to go before multi for me and I gotta go to work! crud...
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Post by: Agent D. on August 08, 2013, 11:51:25 PM
Level 42 now, beat normal mode's final boss.
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Post by: Kevadu on August 09, 2013, 12:04:53 AM
I feel like even in my PS3 didn't die I still wouldn't be able to play with Agent D.  I'm still on like level 16.  How do you have time for this?
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Post by: Ashton on August 09, 2013, 12:11:45 AM
I'm at level 13, don't worry about it.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 09, 2013, 12:15:41 AM
I feel like even in my PS3 didn't die I still wouldn't be able to play with Agent D.  I'm still on like level 16.  How do you have time for this?
Well, once you unlock network mode you gain levels like they're going out of style. Seriously, I took the score bonus prayer, hopped in a group and did like 4 stages in a row. I walked away with 6 levels. In hard mode,the exp conversion rate is 50% instead of 10%, so take that into account as well. Basically, online mode is where it's at.
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Post by: kofvscapcom on August 09, 2013, 12:17:33 AM
I'm going to do all the quests before I bother with chain runs, need those precious skill points and uh...the artwork. Seriously, how did this game manage to get a t rating?
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 09, 2013, 02:49:49 AM
Network unlocked! Mission accomplished! I actually pulled it off before work and didn't realize it... Just had 2 story sequences and a visit to the stables to get things up and running!
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Post by: Klutz64 on August 09, 2013, 04:05:29 PM
So after having to get my toe cut open for the second time this summer, I convinced my mom I could use something to do while I recover and scored some more PSN cash. I'm going to go ahead and bet against all odds that I'm actually going to enjoy this game and start an Amazon tonight.

Reminder for anyone else playing on PS3, my PSN name is also Klutz64
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Post by: Agent D. on August 09, 2013, 04:15:07 PM
I should point out that if anyone's concerned about me joining them as a much higher level, the level actually syncs down to 35 and adjusts my gear and stats accordingly. So in the terribly unlikely event that I am playing around with a level 70+ character before we finally start playing together,I won't suck all the challenge out of runs.
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Post by: TurnBasedDude on August 09, 2013, 05:29:41 PM
I picked up the PS3 and Vita version of the game (because why not), and been digging the game. Maining the manly Dwarf, level 35, and got 8/9 Talismans. Been playing with randoms online, but it would be certainly cool with some you, but did not add most of you aside from Leyviur. I'm usually around to game at night if anyone would be cool with that. I believe I posted my PSN on the username thread thingy, but mine is Alcazard0 (or look at the sig.)
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Post by: ultra7k on August 09, 2013, 05:58:43 PM
I just unlocked network mode before I went to bed last night.

Can you only play with people on your friends list, or is it anyone that has the game?
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Post by: Agent D. on August 09, 2013, 07:18:44 PM
I just unlocked network mode before I went to bed last night.

Can you only play with people on your friends list, or is it anyone that has the game?
Random groups or friend list, no choices for the randoms.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 10, 2013, 06:44:58 PM
All talisman acquired! My level 26 elf was a wee bit too weak to conquer the game on normal yesterday, but I shall not fail tonite!!

And wow did this game take on a whole new identity with network mode. Quasi-frantic action turns bat sh*t crazy and depending on the variables the difficulty really varies and keeps you on your toes. I'm not gonna lie... I think I was quite the burden to some random groups I got teamed with at first-LoL. But holy-heck is it fun!

I just unlocked network mode before I went to bed last night.

Can you only play with people on your friends list, or is it anyone that has the game?
Random groups or friend list, no choices for the randoms.

And umm... this is probably an obvious and dumb question but how do I select available friends to play with? I've only done random... As in, I go off and hit continue adventure with network mode going and end up in a party.

EDIT: Forgive me if the answer to my inquiry is in the instructions. I am off to work and can't check ATM. I am not trying to be lazy or ignorant.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 10, 2013, 07:28:59 PM
When you wanna join your friend's room, just pick a friend who's ready for joining and jump in. You get a list of available friends and where they are in game, as well as difficulty. Bear in mind that if you aren't in harder difficulties you can't join in said harder difficulties.
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Post by: Kevadu on August 10, 2013, 08:05:46 PM
Network mode is so much fun (even with random strangers) that I keep joining random rooms and doing random maps...and I haven't gotten all the talismans because some of the maps just haven't come up in the random rotation.  It's kind of annoying hopping into a game doing a map I've already beaten like 5 times when there are others I haven't even done once...
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Post by: Agent D. on August 10, 2013, 08:54:15 PM
Good news btw kevadu, sounds like a 12gb ps3 is being released in the next couple weeks for 200 bucks if you wanna wait for that.
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Post by: Kevadu on August 10, 2013, 11:15:09 PM
Good news btw kevadu, sounds like a 12gb ps3 is being released in the next couple weeks for 200 bucks if you wanna wait for that.

Nah, I already sent it back to Sony.  They claimed they would give me a refurb system for $100....
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Post by: Agent D. on August 11, 2013, 01:00:39 AM
Good news btw kevadu, sounds like a 12gb ps3 is being released in the next couple weeks for 200 bucks if you wanna wait for that.

Nah, I already sent it back to Sony.  They claimed they would give me a refurb system for $100....
They giving you a warranty with it?
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Post by: Kevadu on August 11, 2013, 01:32:45 AM
Good news btw kevadu, sounds like a 12gb ps3 is being released in the next couple weeks for 200 bucks if you wanna wait for that.

Nah, I already sent it back to Sony.  They claimed they would give me a refurb system for $100....
They giving you a warranty with it?

Hah, yeah right.  I think you have like 90 days or something for a replacement system...


Anyway, back to talking about Dragon's Crown:

I really like a lot of things about his game.  The combat is by far the most technically interesting combat Vanillaware has ever come up with (that hasn't really been their forte, really...).  I love the skills and character customization options.  The loot system is solid.  If I have a complaint about loot it's that you kind of get too much, the vast majority you just sell (and right now I have more money than I know what to do with...).  The difficulty scaling works well and keeps the game challenging without feeling cheap.  The boss fights are spectacular.  Most of them have something to keep them unique and interesting instead of just being some big monster (though there are a few boring big monster types, particularly from the early stages...).  The game has a sense of humor, too...I mean come on, the Monty Python reference is awesome.  And of course the game is completely gorgeous.

But damn does this game need more than 9 stages.  Seriously, that's just not enough.  You will be going back to the same locations over and over and over.  The B routes help, of course, but they still don't cut it.  Much of the stages are repeated regardless of route and many of the B routes still feel very similar to their A counterparts.  Still, they do give you a whole new set of bosses and that's good because like I said I really like the boss fights.

Vanillaware, please make DLC for Dragon's Crown with more stages.  That's all I want.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 11, 2013, 02:03:45 AM
Labyrinth of chaos will help a tad there, Kevadu. Random generated maps it looks like.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 11, 2013, 03:22:42 AM

But damn does this game need more than 9 stages.  Seriously, that's just not enough.  You will be going back to the same locations over and over and over.  The B routes help, of course, but they still don't cut it.  Much of the stages are repeated regardless of route and many of the B routes still feel very similar to their A counterparts.  Still, they do give you a whole new set of bosses and that's good because like I said I really like the boss fights.

Vanillaware, please make DLC for Dragon's Crown with more stages.  That's all I want.

That about sums up my only complaint and desire as well, but I have yet to reach the labyrinth either. Labyrinth aside the gameworld/length feels tiny and the narrative condensed in some sense. I feel like everything could easily have been fleshed out to greater length with more environments without feeling even remotely padded in the interest of prolonging the experience.
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Post by: Kevadu on August 11, 2013, 06:15:32 AM
So I got all the talismans and made it to final boss dragon dude...but this guy is kicking my butt.  And suddenly you're not allowed to resurrect people, so no buying your way to victory.

I don't know, maybe I shouldn't be trying to solo him.  But AI companions are dumb as bricks and are you even allowed to do this fight in multiplayer?

I have most of this dragon's patterns figured out, but there are still some attacks (like the dual tornado thingy) that seem undodgeable and still do a ton of damage.  And when the skeletons show up in the second half of the fight...ugh.  It's not like I can't deal with skeletons on their own, but dealing with them at the same time as I worry about all the dragon's attacks is a pain in the ass...
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Post by: kofvscapcom on August 11, 2013, 08:28:11 AM
spoiler for final boss strats


yeah you can do the fight in multiplayer. that fights mainly about dodging his moves, you can actually destroy his tornado and 3 falling fireballs attacks before they comes out. Also when he flies into the background spamming green projectiles you can hit them back at him for some dmg. He does have a phase where he heals himself, but if you have the dps and know the pattern he's easily soloable. Plus from what I can tell when you're host and beat him, he drops like 9 s rank items.


But yeah guys, me and agent ds been playing, we're in our lvl 50s.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 11, 2013, 04:20:52 PM
So I got all the talismans and made it to final boss dragon dude...but this guy is kicking my butt.  And suddenly you're not allowed to resurrect people, so no buying your way to victory.

I don't know, maybe I shouldn't be trying to solo him.  But AI companions are dumb as bricks and are you even allowed to do this fight in multiplayer?

I have most of this dragon's patterns figured out, but there are still some attacks (like the dual tornado thingy) that seem undodgeable and still do a ton of damage.  And when the skeletons show up in the second half of the fight...ugh.  It's not like I can't deal with skeletons on their own, but dealing with them at the same time as I worry about all the dragon's attacks is a pain in the ass...

2 nights in a row that dragon bested me after a quick level-up adventure... tonite I shall not fail dag-nabbit!!! I gave up my retro-gaming-weekend-agenda this week to beat this thing so I can start tales of xilia properly, with all my focus, and THAT IS what WILL happen. Kinda feels good to have this sort of grindy challenge at the end of the standard adventure albeit a bit of a jump from the difficulty of the stages.
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Post by: Kevadu on August 11, 2013, 09:49:19 PM
you can actually destroy his tornado and 3 falling fireballs attacks before they comes out

Uh, please tell me how.  I see the green swirly things and fireball drops come out before those attacks, but hitting them does nothing (except put me at ground zero...).

Jesus Christ the tornadoes are annoying.  Last time I tried I got killed just before he started a tornado attack, ended up respawning again right on top of it, and got killed again by that one attack (it carried me away and just kept dealing damage over and over).  From full health.  Fuckety fuck fuck.

Edit: OK, I just wasn't doing enough damage.  I can stop those attacks (well, at least the tornadoes, but fireballs seem to come out much quicker...), it just takes more hits than I expected.

I guess I just suck at this game or something, because I seriously can't beat this boss.  I've lost count of how many times I've tried now.  And I thought the game was pretty easy up until this point...

Grinding isn't even an option because I'm at the level cap already.  I can do OK when it's just the dragon, but then those goddamn skeletons start showing up with their goddamn crossbows and I can't just focus on the dragon's attacks anymore.  Then the side cover gets destroyed (I try to hit back the dragon's attacks but I can't get them all...) so I'm basically just fucked the next time he does dragon's breath.  And that's how things seem to go, every single time...
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Post by: Agent D. on August 11, 2013, 11:42:44 PM
If you haven't beaten it before you get your ps3, I'll gladly help you out. Otherwise, I advise you to get good at evading. Also, use the life point prayer for that extra last ditch attempt. You could also try obtaining gear with more defensive bonuses, and maybe try the knockback defense item, so you don't get flung by the tornadoes so easily.
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 11, 2013, 11:54:34 PM
Don't give up kevadu! In addition to the uber-good advice d offered, do random rooms til you get some decent allies to resurrect and add to your party. I've been finding adding high level caster types and fighters to my party helps me drop the beasts life considerably more before my allies die as a result of their own idiocy. I am sending this reply via my phone from work.... I can't wait to get done so I can get home and beat the snot out of that dragon.... After costing me my secret or mana time this weekend the battle has become personal...
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Post by: Agent D. on August 12, 2013, 12:21:49 AM
Klyde, I gotta crash in about 30 minutes, but if you hit me with a pm here I'll hop and help you kill it. Just lemme know.
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Post by: kofvscapcom on August 12, 2013, 06:46:13 AM
I'll be up til about like 2:30 if nayone wants to play, I'm so ronrey
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Post by: Klyde Chroma on August 12, 2013, 04:27:23 PM
Well at Lvl 33 Noelle the elf is a hero in the land. Epic Elf trophy earned, Crown obtained, dragon DEAD!!!! I know the game opens up on hard and whatnot but I gotta put this thing down for a spell.... this game is addicting like a bug bit... you wanna keep scratching until it hurts and bleeds.
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Post by: Fei on August 12, 2013, 07:57:50 PM
lvl 46 amazon.

PSN is mojotron

I didn't know you could poke that one picture.  It seems like now in hard mode, every picture reacts to pokings... or does that have to do with who is hosting?
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Post by: Giga_Force on August 13, 2013, 02:45:35 PM
There is one thing that annoys me about the game and that's with my Fighter. Quite often, my weapon gets knocked out of my hands during boss fights and I have to run over and wait for it to be available to pick up.  Is there a way to prevent this from happening?  It quite pisses me off and I have to beat the crap out of the boss with my fists until the Red X is gone.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 13, 2013, 02:54:08 PM
There is one thing that annoys me about the game and that's with my Fighter. Quite often, my weapon gets knocked out of my hands during boss fights and I have to run over and wait for it to be available to pick up.  Is there a way to prevent this from happening?  It quite pisses me off and I have to beat the crap out of the boss with my fists until the Red X is gone.
To be fair,if my weapon didn't leave my hands, this game would be piss easy.
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Post by: Giga_Force on August 13, 2013, 03:12:07 PM
Yeah, that is true.  I just thought there was an item/skill that I wasn't seeing that prevented this.  Just sometimes the screen gets too hectic, that I don't even know my weapon is on the other side of the room,lol.
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Post by: Agent D. on August 13, 2013, 04:10:08 PM
I blame sorceresses for hectic screen issues....
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Post by: Kevadu on August 13, 2013, 04:12:03 PM
I think they actually managed to make the Sorceress's boobs even more ridiculous in this figure (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/08/13/dragons-crown-sorceress-figure-scheduled-for-september) than in the actual game...
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Post by: Frostillicus on August 13, 2013, 04:16:33 PM
I think they actually managed to make the Sorceress's boobs even more ridiculous better in this figure (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/08/13/dragons-crown-sorceress-figure-scheduled-for-september) than in the actual game...

Fixed your typo for ya  =D
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Post by: Giga_Force on August 13, 2013, 04:25:07 PM
WOW! That is a bit overkill,lol. At least her thighs are normal.....and sexy lol.
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Post by: Klutz64 on August 13, 2013, 04:30:07 PM
I find her holding up her robe over that skeleton a little more disturbing than the increased voluptuousness.
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Post by: Dincrest on August 13, 2013, 05:53:57 PM
http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/588691-dragons-crown
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Post by: Giga_Force on August 13, 2013, 06:15:39 PM
http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/588691-dragons-crown

LOL!
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Post by: Ranadiel on August 14, 2013, 06:48:51 AM
I find her holding up her robe over that skeleton a little more disturbing than the increased voluptuousness.

Well clearly she is about to get....boned. Oh I crack myself up with horrible puns sometimes. :p
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Post by: Giga_Force on August 14, 2013, 02:32:58 PM
I just finished Normal and I figured I would tackle all of the quests on that difficulty, before I move to Hard, or will I have to play on a higher difficulty to finish all 50 quests?
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Post by: Agent D. on August 14, 2013, 02:42:41 PM
I just finished Normal and I figured I would tackle all of the quests on that difficulty, before I move to Hard, or will I have to play on a higher difficulty to finish all 50 quests?
You can play the quests on any difficulty you have unlocked. Just know....it's gonna be based on said difficulty. I really doubt you wanna solo medusa on hard mode if you just hit 35ish.
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Post by: Giga_Force on August 14, 2013, 03:52:33 PM
LOL! Yeah, I agree. I'll just finish up all the quests and then jump back into Hard. It shouldn't take much time.
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Post by: kofvscapcom on August 14, 2013, 08:33:01 PM
the running the dungeons solo quests are a cakewalk on normal and give a ton of xp. Still waiting on people in hard, that and playing RE revelations raid mode.
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Post by: Kevadu on August 28, 2013, 08:06:45 PM
Now that I actually have a PS3 again somebody play with me! :(
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Post by: kofvscapcom on August 28, 2013, 08:46:36 PM
les, go, add mes
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Post by: Kevadu on August 28, 2013, 10:28:34 PM
After all my failures fighting the end dragon guy I then went on to defeat it without losing a single life...go figure.

Anyway, that means I can play with the real folks now on hard.  Yay!

Whee, nothing like making it from leve 35 to 48 in a single continuous session ;)
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Post by: Kevadu on October 09, 2013, 02:52:00 PM
Latest Dragon's Crown patch in Japan adds cross-platform multiplayer (http://gematsu.com/2013/10/dragons-crown-gets-cross-platform-multiplayer).

The PS3 and Vita versions can play each other now.

Did this come completely out of nowhere for anyone else?  I didn't think it was something they were even working on.  Figured it was never going to happen, the all of the sudden here it is...
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Post by: Dice on October 09, 2013, 03:00:16 PM
[ur=http://gematsu.com/2013/10/dragons-crown-gets-cross-platform-multiplayer]Latest Dragon's Crown patch in Japan adds cross-platform multiplayer[/url].

The PS3 and Vita versions can play each other now.

Did this come completely out of nowhere for anyone else?  I didn't think it was something they were even working on.  Figured it was never going to happen, the all of the sudden here it is...

Now all we need is a chat option (not that using Skype is bad, mildly inconvenient, but not bad)
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Post by: Agent D. on October 10, 2013, 11:14:17 AM
Very depressed that I stopped playing this, I really oughta go back to it
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Post by: Kevadu on October 10, 2013, 02:42:30 PM
Me too.  Anyone up for some multiplayer this weekend?
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Post by: Andrew on October 10, 2013, 05:54:14 PM
This finally came out here today, woohoo!

I am really keen on playing Elf, but I notice it is "Hard" where a couple of the others are "Normal." Is there really much of a difference?
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Post by: Kevadu on October 10, 2013, 05:56:37 PM
Nah, I started out with Elf and did just fine.
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Post by: Andrew on October 10, 2013, 06:30:53 PM
Awesome. Thanks!
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Post by: Agent D. on October 10, 2013, 09:06:08 PM
This weekend huh?

Sounds like fun.
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Post by: kofvscapcom on October 10, 2013, 11:54:43 PM
the cross play announcement is pretty exciting, just finished hard mode today and onto infernal.
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Post by: Agent D. on October 14, 2013, 01:58:12 PM
You guys missed out on me and kevadu wrecking hard mode's final boss....twice. We pwned the shit out of it.
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Post by: Dice on October 14, 2013, 02:06:11 PM
You guys missed out on me and kevadu wrecking hard mode's final boss....twice. We pwned the shit out of it.

:(
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Post by: Agent D. on October 14, 2013, 02:54:06 PM
If you're interested, I may take a whack at infernal mode this weekend...
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Post by: Kevadu on October 19, 2013, 05:49:32 AM
Wow, I just had an epic adventure with some random folks online.  Started out pretty awkwardly since I couldn't even find a game at all at first, but eventually I did connect with some people.

I hadn't actually played on infernal yet since making it there with Agent D. so I was still just at level 60 but I figured I would try to last as long as I could.  Well, I ended up getting teamed up with some very high level folks (some of them were level 99...) and just tore threw map after map.  OK, so they were doing most of the work but I think I managed to carry my weight.  Just doing random maps one after another I managed to get all 9 talismans in a single run.  There were a few duplicate maps, but honestly I got pretty lucky there.  And at the end I made it all the way from level 60 to level 76 in one go, plus got like 23 S-ranked pieces of loot.  Woot.

This game just hasn't stopped being fun.  Now I really want to start thinking about taking on the Demon Lord at the end of the Labrynth of Chaos...

I think this game might actually be fun to try and platinum (and this is coming from somebody who never platinums anything...).  I was just looking at the trophy list and honestly nothing there looks too crazy.  The biggest timesink is, of course, beating the game with every character class, but could also be pretty fun in its own right since they play so differently.  And you do not have to beat the game on hard or infernal with every character, just normal is enough (of course you do have to beat it once on infernal).
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Post by: kofvscapcom on October 20, 2013, 12:00:03 PM
if you guys get on, im in for dragons crown. and the beating the game with each character isnt hard if you have high level friends to just run you through normal each time. The cook everything once trophy is annoying though.
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Post by: Kevadu on October 25, 2013, 07:49:00 PM
Anyone up for some infernal dragon slaying tonight?

Edit: Well, nobody took me up on it so I took some of the crazy lvl 99 folks I've encountered as companions.  That fight was really short...

Infernal mode beaten, now it's just a question of taking on the demon lord at the end of the labyrinth of chaos!
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Post by: Kevadu on October 31, 2013, 04:34:19 AM
So I've been trying to get those trophies for speed-running the boss dragon.  There are trophies for killing it within 2 minutes on normal, 3 minutes on hard, and 4 minutes on infernal.  They're not even that hard, really (especially if you bring along some level 99 AI companions, who don't get level capped like your character when you switch difficulties...) but did you know that after you've cleared a difficulty you have to go and gather that talismans for that difficulty again?  What the heck is up with that?  Feels like total busywork.  And you're not even getting XP when you've already passed the level cap for that difficulty level...

Did it on normal but I didn't feel like gathering the talismans yet again on hard.  At least I have the talismans for infernal already (since there's nothing above infernal I've been playing at that difficulty anyway) but I think I want to gain a few levels there before tackling it.  Although you get more time you're also not going to be as overpowered for that fight...

Of course I still want to finish the last couple floors of the labyrinth of chaos, too...but there's never anyone doing it when I look for labyrinth of chaos games and it's just not as fun relying on the AI.  That's something I'd really like to do with some RPGFanners sometime.
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: Kevadu on December 20, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
Holy crap, have you seen the new features being added in the latest Dragon's Crown patch?


In addition to the usual stability fixes and gameplay tweaks, of course.

A lot of this seems like the kind of stuff that would normally be relegated to DLC instead of a free patch like this.  Go Vanillaware!

Now I really want to finish off that Labrynth of Chaos.  I think I was on like floor 8 last I checked...haven't played in a while.  But I should have some time now...
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: kofvscapcom on December 22, 2013, 11:57:20 AM
motivated to finish now, was still trying to finish hardest difficulty last time I played
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: Giga_Force on December 24, 2013, 08:07:28 PM
motivated to finish now, was still trying to finish hardest difficulty last time I played

I just downloaded the patch and I feel overwhelmed by starting Ultimate difficulty. The main reason I'm quoting you, is because I wanted to say your avatar of Firebrand makes me happy. Demon's Crest is one of my favorite SNES games.
Title: Re: Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware RPG, now 2013 all regions) announced for PS3/Vita
Post by: kofvscapcom on December 27, 2013, 08:49:04 PM
motivated to finish now, was still trying to finish hardest difficulty last time I played

I just downloaded the patch and I feel overwhelmed by starting Ultimate difficulty. The main reason I'm quoting you, is because I wanted to say your avatar of Firebrand makes me happy. Demon's Crest is one of my favorite SNES games.

thank you, also we should get people and play together, I shall try to finish labyrinth and start ultimate difficulty, my psn is kofvscapcom. and now with capcoms financial troubles, mebbe it's time to break out the older series again? they did make a new breath of fire, even if it isn't what we thought it would be.

edit: welp I just beat the demon lord, started ultimate difficulty and enemies hit really hard. time to grind to 99 at least.