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10951  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Are Storylines Really So Important? on: March 26, 2006, 07:03:27 PM
The only series that I can think of that doesn't constantly use the 'let's save the world!' plot is the Suikoden series, and even then that introduced those threads in 3. Nevertheless, I think Suikoden's the series that could potentially have the biggest impact from such a thing; the world is far more fleshed out than any RPG I can think of except for maybe the Elder Scrolls (licensed universes like D&D and Star Wars excluded), and combined with having spent so much time in the world and not dealing with world ending crisises beforehand, could make the impact of such a story that much stronger.

I don't think it's inherently the leveling up system that harms it, but just the overall design of most RPGs that would clash with something focusing on something like catching a criminal. I imagine the battle/exploration systems could be tweaked to work better for that type of game, and perhaps a focus more on exploration/investigation/talking to people... Actually, that'd just make it a graphic adventure with an RPG battle system. Or Shenmue with an RPG battle system.

And seeing Gast's bit with the ages... That's what's bugging me. I'd figure more RPGs would at least have young adults, but... Meh, maybe no one above 18 has enough free time to bother with any but the most popular RPGs anyway. :P
10952  The Rest / General Discussions / PS3 Controller Redesign Confirmed! on: March 26, 2006, 04:06:08 PM
I agree with Gast. I liked the Alps controllers, so I think /most/ of the people that went apeshit on this just A. didn't like Sony at all or B. found the shape of the controller to be espicially easy to mock. I'm personally hoping it's something different from the established Dual Shock though, or I'll be annoyed. Yay, same damn controller for 3 generations. :p

I'd also like to interject that Takezo's idea is awesome.
10953  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Are Storylines Really So Important? on: March 26, 2006, 04:03:11 PM
As far as western RPGs go, I think the games Black Isle and Bioware, at least those that I've played, consistantly had good or interesting stories, and KotOR alone could put several JPRGs to shame. I can't say the same of those from other developers... But in recent years, there doesn't seem to be anyone that gives a shit outside of Obsidian, Bioware, and Bethesda.

And while I understand that they would beat the same general story to death in japanese RPGs, I think they'd at least benefit from at least making more of the story details standout. Mix up typical stereotypes and cliches more often, such as that age complaint I had before. Also... Haven't RPGs and console games in general been selling worse lately over in japan? :P

As for the 'there's no good stories thing', I think there's some good stories. Not great, ground breaking stories, except for maybe a title or two that'll be debated for forever. But good, sure.

Edit: Actually... What's the average age of gamers in Japan? I'm going to wonder more if most of them are adults. :P

Edit 2: And... Oh right, the Baten Kaitos thing. Play a bit further. It's an awesome twist that, well... Isn't used a fraction as well as it could have been.
10954  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Are Storylines Really So Important? on: March 25, 2006, 06:20:44 PM
What I consider most important isn't the gameplay, or the story, but simply how much I enjoy it. If it's got a great story I like but gameplay that only passes as functional and possibly enjoyable (see: Suikoden II), then I'll greatly enjoy it. Likewise, a game could have a great battle system but a crappy story like Growlanser II, and I'll still enjoy it. Hell, there's games where the battle system was horribly rough and the story sucked ass (FFVIII), but I loved them anyway. Maybe it sounds like I'm trying to be above the argument, but really... How much you enjoy it /is/ most important. :P

With all that said, I don't think RPGs like the pre-FFIV FFs and the old DQs have aged very well - I can only enjoy them in their remade format. And I wish there was more varity in the stories. You ultimately are restricted to a story that has fighting being an important part of it, but you could at least mix up the little details - I want older main characters to not be a minority in RPGs, for instance.

Edit: Though I should note that if I have to stick with great story but shit gameplay, or shit story but great gameplay, I'd rather have great gameplay. I enjoyed SO3 way more then I did XSII in the end.

Edit 2: Actually, looking over the replies, Ryos brings up a good point - you're inevitably going to be sticking with several similar games and copycats within a genre, but I think RPGs as of late have been worryingly stagnant. Maybe it's half because I was a teenager at the time and hadn't been used to seeing the same ol' over and over again, but I recall there being more diversity in the 32-bit days. Nowadays, it seems like the best you can hope for is either a charming/well done variation of the same ol', like Tales of Symphonia, or go for a Shin Megami Tensei game.

Edit 3 because I'm an indecisive asshole: I changed SO3 up there to GrowII. SO3 was an alright story with some crippling flaws. GrowII however, was an abomination with no idea where it wanted to go. :P
10955  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Suikoden V on: March 25, 2006, 03:52:11 AM
Quote from: "Leyviur"
108 are recruitable, but not all of them participate in battle.

Sheesh, I'd think anyone who's familiar with the series would know by know that a good number don't join in battle. :P
10956  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Suikoden V on: March 25, 2006, 01:00:37 AM
I don't have the game, but if it isn't abnormally long I'd just stick it through. It's supposed to have 11 endings, and even if it's over stupid decisions and the like, if they're as different as Suikoden 2's endings I'd say it's worth just replaying and seeing the different ending with all 108.
10957  The Rest / General Discussions / Game journal yeah whoo. on: March 24, 2006, 07:34:17 PM
I wouldn't really compare DMC3 to games like Double Dragon, but that's probably just because the gameplay's significantly deeper - probably like how I wouldn't compare Metroid to Contra. It's an excellent game, but admittedly isn't a giant leap over DMC1 (never played 2, and it's presumably much better than that). It probably didn't help I got RE4 on the same day as that, which shoved DMC3 away for a few weeks.

This will probably sound stupid to most of you, but I decided that, over Radiata Stories, Growlanser III, and Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne, I'd... Go play SuikIV, since SuikV just came out and I want to get it soon. Enjoyable enough, but definitely inferior to all the previous Suikodens and seems to be bulldozing ahead story-wise without any proper development.
10958  The Rest / General Discussions / Revolution to play Genesis and Turbo Grafx games on: March 24, 2006, 12:32:40 AM
Yeah, it's officially done so it'll likely look better on the Revolution (and on a TV at that) then on the computer. Plus using a controller, supporting the companies, and the fact they may not even be emulating the games that are from Nintendo's systems - they could easily dump the NES, SNES, and N64 onto a chipset ala the PS2 did with the PS1.
10959  The Rest / General Discussions / Revolution to play Genesis and Turbo Grafx games on: March 23, 2006, 07:03:57 PM
Turbo Grafx was known as the PC Engine in Japan, if that helps. if it doesn't, use Google.

And drumlord is right, a later news story on GameSpot says there's thousands availble, but only the best will be put on. That first article was just misleading.
10960  Media / Single-Player RPGs / The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass on: March 23, 2006, 04:10:49 PM
The announcement. I was going to say 2D Zelda was dead, but afterw atching GameSpot's trailer, this is honestly only a little more 3D than New Super Mario Bros. is. Can't wait.
10961  The Rest / General Discussions / PS3 Region Free, PSP to Play PSOne Games on: March 23, 2006, 03:09:26 PM
Whoops, point there. It would be a big boast for those countries too. :P
10962  The Rest / General Discussions / Revolution to play Genesis and Turbo Grafx games on: March 23, 2006, 03:06:45 PM
GameSpot news story

alskjdflasdflaf /1,000/ Genesis titles? This is a very awesome time for gaming news.
10963  The Rest / General Discussions / PS3 Region Free, PSP to Play PSOne Games on: March 23, 2006, 02:17:27 PM
I can't see the ability to play importers making the PS3 win anywhere except maybe the UK, presuming one has an NTSC TV, but I still find this to be an awesome move and if the backwards compatibility stretches to the PSX and PS2 games, /might/ tempt me to get a PS3 right off the bat. I'd love to check out games like Policenauts and Soul Hackers.

The PSP thing on th eother hand will be a great advantage against Nintendo. Dunno if they will, but the downloading thing is a great incentive to get one at any rate. Have to wonder how they'll handle the L2/R2 buttons though, and maybe the right stick and L3/R3.
10964  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Oblivion on: March 23, 2006, 02:02:10 PM
Despite my earlier fears, the game shipped and is on it's way. Should have it next week.
10965  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Suikoden V on: March 22, 2006, 11:09:40 PM
If you don't preorder and expect those items, I'd agree with you Dagg. But if you preorder and don't get those items... While it's wrong (most of the time at least) to blame the cashier, I do think it's a genuine problem when the company fails to meet the expectations of the loyal fans who put down money before the game came out.

Yeah, it's 'free', but it's almost in the same manner as getting something for free with a box of cereal - and if that box of cereal didn't have my free toy, I'd be pretty annoyed. :P

I'll pick this up later and hope that when I do, the online stores are still giving the bonuses with it. At this point though, I think I'm pretty much screwed.
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