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3796  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The NEW Game Journal on: November 18, 2011, 03:11:42 AM
I beat a certain mid-boss in DQ8 over the weekend.  I haven't touched this game in years because apparently, I was a big gigantic pussy and quit after dying to this battle - once.  I fought around, got a Zombie Slayer weapon for the hero, and got 1 level for everyone.  I owned both forms of the boss pretty easily.

Honestly, stopping playing this game is probably one of my biggest gaming regrets.  My original game had 33 hours in which seemed like a big waste to start over.  Been trying to figure out what happened previously and re-acclimate myself to the world.  Figure I'll just trudge on.

I stopped mid-Nocturne too.  I plan to finish it, but I think I may just erase my file without even looking at it.  I can't say "I'm too far in" if I don't know where I was!

Doulmagus is probably the biggest speed bump in the game. Now that you're past him the bosses won't be quite as challenging until endgame and most of the dungeons aren't really long enough to give you too much trouble. Plus you'll have access to the last casino soon and you can get the most powerful weapon for Jessica there as well as a few Alchemy ingredients in the towns that will last you for a long while (I think you can make a Timbrel of Tension soon and you'll definitely want one of those as it turns the tension system from not really worth it to absolutely broken (well for everything that isn't post game)).

Ah nice, was wondering about the casino.  Also wondering about the Timbrel - that thing stacks if you keep using it right?  I definitely want to hit up the casino to at least get the falcon blade for the hero.  I know Jessica's whip takes a ton of coin, so I may hold off a bit on that one.

Yes. The Timbrel basically acts as if everyone selected Tension for their action but only needing one person blow their action for that turn. The three important things to remembers about Tension is that the load only blows when a person attacks or uses a skill or spell and not when they use an item, that it affects the performance of anything that involves a variable like damage spells, buffs, healing, debuffs, and accuracy of certain moves like the Whack series of spells, and that it also reduces the amount of damage you take when you hit Super Sayin at max Tension.

So do you basically use it over and over at level 1 tension?  Or is there something I'm missing?  It looks like the majority of actions would reset the tension.

The user will continue to build Tension levels up to the max since the Timbrel is an item which doesn't blow the user's load when used. It's also an unlimited use item like the Sage's Stone so you can have someone spam it constantly so long as it's in their personal inventory. And speaking of the Sage's Stone, it too is an item so it doesn't blow the load but it's still influenced all the same so long as the load isn't blown by anything else. Defending and manually building Tension are other options the player can use to not blow his or her load early.

The too long; didn't read is that the following actions will blow a Tension load: Attack, Skill, Spell. These actions will not blow your Tension load no matter what state it's in: Defend, Item. The following action will increase your Tension load to the next level except in the case of transitioning to the fourth and final level in which case it will either bump it to the max level, fail to do anything, or prematurely blow your load: Tension.

During the main quest, the best function is to have someone you don't mind spamming the Timbrel so that everyone else's Attacks and Spells will be doubly effective. During the Bonus Boss fights, the best function is to build to max Tension as quickly as possible for the double defense, Sage's Stone/Big Boss Shield spam at x16 efficiency, and letting your attackers hit with an Oomph'd or multi-hit Attack at x16 efficiency.
3797  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: November 17, 2011, 07:01:49 PM
I think it's starting to get out of hand, personally. Is this really necessary? Is P4 that huge in Japan? How did P4 get so much more popular than P3?

I'll accept this because it's only in Japan, but if it keeps going after the monthly magazine, the fighting game, the anime and the port to the Vita, then they'll just be killing one of my favorite games.

I think that and then remember that I don't live in Japan and so can pretty much pretend like none of it ever happened. Heck, even with FF7 I just choose not to play the spin-offs (though isn't one of them actually good?) and was lucky enough that Advent Children was so forgettable than that's exactly what happened. Sometimes it's good to close your eyes, cover your ears, and go la la la la la.

Crisis Core was mediocre, AC is a mindless action movie, I have no clue as to BC, and DoC was aggressively terrible (hello primary love interest being trapped in a ten year old's body). All of them aggressively retcons the hell out of the original game.

Back on topic though; at least Atlus knows how to run something into the fucking ground.

At least Atlus has some quality control. All the Persona 4 stuff has been great so far.

I was going to say that. The anime is great and the vita remake and fighting game are looking very good. Any comparison with what SE did with FF7 is madness. ATLUS has high standards.

Kinda goes back to my point in that Atlus knows how to run something into the fucking ground. All of Squeenix's compilations had hot steaming loads of bullshit dumped all over them from the word go and resulted in the outright death of the Mana series. Contrast that with Atlus's PERSONAAAAAAAAA SPAAAAAAAAAM!!!!! and people still aren't disgusted with them yet and some are even still looking forward to the next iteration of P4 (especially given the utter lack of competition from the field of JRPGs out in the west US (also I'm going to guess that the next P4 project will either be a Kart Racer or a Mini Game compilation)).
3798  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Fate/Extra on: November 17, 2011, 06:47:56 PM
Eusis- That's a fair point.  I mean, the Fate/ series has a cult following among import gamers and I was left wondering, "what's all the fuss about?" after playing Fate/Extra.  There are superior visual novels and RPGs out there. 

Yeah, I agree, I could only seriously recommend it to people who were also interested in a taste of the Nesuverse (or fans, but I guess most of them leaped at this ASAP anyway), though at least the VN portion's good enough to recommend if the alternatives have already been exhausted.

This kinda sums up Fate/Extra. It's a game that only fans of F/SN are going to be interested in at all as the rest of the game is too mediocre to stand on its own.
3799  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The NEW Game Journal on: November 16, 2011, 06:15:38 PM
I beat a certain mid-boss in DQ8 over the weekend.  I haven't touched this game in years because apparently, I was a big gigantic pussy and quit after dying to this battle - once.  I fought around, got a Zombie Slayer weapon for the hero, and got 1 level for everyone.  I owned both forms of the boss pretty easily.

Honestly, stopping playing this game is probably one of my biggest gaming regrets.  My original game had 33 hours in which seemed like a big waste to start over.  Been trying to figure out what happened previously and re-acclimate myself to the world.  Figure I'll just trudge on.

I stopped mid-Nocturne too.  I plan to finish it, but I think I may just erase my file without even looking at it.  I can't say "I'm too far in" if I don't know where I was!

Doulmagus is probably the biggest speed bump in the game. Now that you're past him the bosses won't be quite as challenging until endgame and most of the dungeons aren't really long enough to give you too much trouble. Plus you'll have access to the last casino soon and you can get the most powerful weapon for Jessica there as well as a few Alchemy ingredients in the towns that will last you for a long while (I think you can make a Timbrel of Tension soon and you'll definitely want one of those as it turns the tension system from not really worth it to absolutely broken (well for everything that isn't post game)).

Ah nice, was wondering about the casino.  Also wondering about the Timbrel - that thing stacks if you keep using it right?  I definitely want to hit up the casino to at least get the falcon blade for the hero.  I know Jessica's whip takes a ton of coin, so I may hold off a bit on that one.

Yes. The Timbrel basically acts as if everyone selected Tension for their action but only needing one person blow their action for that turn. The three important things to remembers about Tension is that the load only blows when a person attacks or uses a skill or spell and not when they use an item, that it affects the performance of anything that involves a variable like damage spells, buffs, healing, debuffs, and accuracy of certain moves like the Whack series of spells, and that it also reduces the amount of damage you take when you hit Super Sayin at max Tension. Also worth mentioning is that building Tension is only a straight forward process for the first three levels; doubling the effect of the next non Tension action at each level; the final level unfortunately can be failure prone either not activating or preemptively blowing the near-complete load. Basically Tension is essential for the multiple forms of the Bonus Boss at levels below 65.

One thing I forget is whether or not multi-hit attacks in this game are fully affected by Tension or not. I do recall Oomph only working on the first attack but the rest of the attacks might be affected which is why attacks such as Twin Dragon Lash and Falcon Slashing with the Uber Falcon Blade are still ridiculously powerful despite the implication Oomph might confer.
3800  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What classes do you enjoy playing in RPGs? on: November 16, 2011, 12:31:10 PM
Mage Knights. Especially since most JRPG leads fall right into that niche (my Nei Sword and Medigo will rock your fucking shit). Also since Wizards in D&D 3.0 & 3.5 can basically become this way later on. FFV's version rocks too thanks to being able to rock elemental weaknesses with high powered weapons and strength. As long as the character isn't aggressively terrible like FF3's Red Mage (which is more mage with fighter tendencies rather than the other way around). Also this type of character basically fixes fighting classes one great failing which is giving them versatility beyond Fight; 420 ev'ry day.
3801  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The NEW Game Journal on: November 16, 2011, 12:11:20 PM
I beat a certain mid-boss in DQ8 over the weekend.  I haven't touched this game in years because apparently, I was a big gigantic pussy and quit after dying to this battle - once.  I fought around, got a Zombie Slayer weapon for the hero, and got 1 level for everyone.  I owned both forms of the boss pretty easily.

Honestly, stopping playing this game is probably one of my biggest gaming regrets.  My original game had 33 hours in which seemed like a big waste to start over.  Been trying to figure out what happened previously and re-acclimate myself to the world.  Figure I'll just trudge on.

I stopped mid-Nocturne too.  I plan to finish it, but I think I may just erase my file without even looking at it.  I can't say "I'm too far in" if I don't know where I was!

Doulmagus is probably the biggest speed bump in the game. Now that you're past him the bosses won't be quite as challenging until endgame and most of the dungeons aren't really long enough to give you too much trouble. Plus you'll have access to the last casino soon and you can get the most powerful weapon for Jessica there as well as a few Alchemy ingredients in the towns that will last you for a long while (I think you can make a Timbrel of Tension soon and you'll definitely want one of those as it turns the tension system from not really worth it to absolutely broken (well for everything that isn't post game)).
3802  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: November 15, 2011, 08:08:17 PM
I think it's starting to get out of hand, personally. Is this really necessary? Is P4 that huge in Japan? How did P4 get so much more popular than P3?

I'll accept this because it's only in Japan, but if it keeps going after the monthly magazine, the fighting game, the anime and the port to the Vita, then they'll just be killing one of my favorite games.

I think that and then remember that I don't live in Japan and so can pretty much pretend like none of it ever happened. Heck, even with FF7 I just choose not to play the spin-offs (though isn't one of them actually good?) and was lucky enough that Advent Children was so forgettable than that's exactly what happened. Sometimes it's good to close your eyes, cover your ears, and go la la la la la.

Crisis Core was mediocre, AC is a mindless action movie, I have no clue as to BC, and DoC was aggressively terrible (hello primary love interest being trapped in a ten year old's body). All of them aggressively retcons the hell out of the original game.

Back on topic though; at least Atlus knows how to run something into the fucking ground.
3803  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Nintendo 3DS Launching at $249.99 on March 27 in the US on: November 15, 2011, 01:46:11 AM
You should put it on a pepperoni pizza as a gag.

Aw man.  You got me questioning what nipples taste like.  I imagine it being like pepperoni... but like a pepperoni candy (ie; bad).

I bet Demon Princess Kay would let you try hers.
3804  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword on: November 15, 2011, 01:21:58 AM
I think what Eusis was getting at was the amount of discretion left to the player in regards to how they want to go about the Adult dungeons. In theory you could tackle the Water Temple as soon as you acquire the Hookshot or the Bow. You only need the Longshot to access the Spirit Temple (although I seem to recall the need for the Megaton Hammer for a rusted switch at some point during the dungeon). But through all of this you can still do any of the major sidequests like hunting Skullatas, getting Biggoron's Sword, or doing the Mask Trading sequence (although some of the latter's rewards are time sensitive like the Deku Nut and Deku Stick capacity upgrades).

Actually, now that I think about it; you don't really have an option of which dungeon to do first aside from opting for the Spirit Temple over the Shadow Temple. The Fairy's Bow is required for every instance of an Eye Switch which are fairly common in most dungeons. The Megaton Hammer isn't as needed since rusted switches are fairly uncommon but it seems like most Adult dungeons have at least one kicking around. The Longshot might be ignorable for the most part since only a couple of cases really need the length and they mostly pertain to actually getting to the dungeon which also comes with alternatives. Whereas the Hover Boots are completely superfluous since the only time they are required is within the Shadow Temple itself. And the obstacles requiring either the Silver Gauntlets or the Mirror Shield are generally few and far in between (and in the temple generally assumed to be the last). The most important thing is that items and obstacles are the main reason why you have to tackle dungeons in a particular order and are only rarely led into by cutscenes with particular progress requirements (the shadow escaping The Well specifically).

Contrast that with Twilight Princess where every dungeon and event requires a plot lead in and you can see why TP feels so much more restrictive than OoT.
3805  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Random and Amazing Pictures, Please! on: November 14, 2011, 08:21:35 PM
I was going to ask what the hell is going on in that gif but don't wanna know.

Madoka Magica happened. Watch it. Seriously. It is awesome.
3806  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Nintendo 3DS Launching at $249.99 on March 27 in the US on: November 14, 2011, 08:18:30 PM
Europe gets a Zelda-themed limited edition Nintendo 3DS

What happen with Nintendo of Europe being so awesome lately?

D:

I'd give up a nipple for it.

You were saying?
3807  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread on: November 14, 2011, 07:25:09 PM


Yup, that flan is wearing shades.

Deal with it!
3808  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword on: November 14, 2011, 07:23:54 PM
It's really hard to imagine that SS will top TP for me. TP just got everything perfect in my book. I just recently replayed most of it (all but the last two dungeons), and It's just unbelievable how well it's aged. Especially since I had been playing nothing but 360 HD titles for the past year. I had just come off of Deus Ex. Technically this is a GameCube game???!!!! I've never played the gamecube version, but honestly, it kicks the crap out of most 360 games, even now. It's my perfect game. Just the right amount of gloomy darkness, the right amount of emotional drama, the right amount of uncanny bizarreness, I love that game like no other. SS looks like it may hit gameplay perfection, but from what I've seen it just doesn't "feel" much better than Wind Waker, which was just OFF for me. Also, it doesn't help that I've just been playing Xenoblade (god I hope I can finish it before Zelda comes out!) which is quite possibly the biggest, grandest game ever made. Every locale in Xenoblade could house about 4 Zelda Hyrule's in it.They say SS will be immense, but I doubt it'll feel like it after Xenoblade.

I'm sure what Xenoblade has in quantity, Zelda SS will make up for in quality.

Man it's going to be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard to choose between Xenoblade and Skyward Sword.

Oh wait. That's right. I live in the US and fucking NoA already made that decision for me. Well, I might have trouble setting down Fate/Ex....Fuck! I can't even finish that. There's absolutely nothing that's going to stop me from playing this on Monday morning (since I'm actually busy on Sunday).

So yeah. Continue whining about having to set Xenoblade down, and while you're at it you can remind everyone in the US about how you guys are getting The Last Story too.
3809  Media / Miscellaneous Games / Re: BioWare's next new game is... on: November 14, 2011, 08:24:20 AM
They need to make a spy RPG that doesn't suck.

They need to make an rpg that doesn't suck, period

They need to make an RPG that lets you choose something other than the boyscout path and the douche bag path (and have it mean more than just altering your appearance and determining who you get to have sex with).

At the very least they should make it so that if you want to be evil you'd eventually end up on an entirely different path from being good; you know, like Langrisser where you could be the good little goddess avatar, turn coat over to the empire, or just say to hell with you all and ruin everybody's day.
3810  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword on: November 14, 2011, 08:12:52 AM
OoT looks great on the 3DS. I'd say it has aged well for sure.

Now I'm debating getting Skyward Sword for Wii, or just waiting for the HD version on the Wii U.

... There's no HD version announced. It's either get it now, or wait on a HYPOTHETICAL version that could take forever to come out (do you really want to wait, say, 5 years here?)

And OoT was updated a lot visually, they just managed to hit the sweetspot between remaining faithful and updating.

There wasn't? I could have sworn there was. Oh well. It's not like I have to get it now either way. It's not going anywhere once it's released.

I'm aware of the visual update, but it looks good and it's going to be used as the definitive version of the game most likely.

You're probably thinking of the Wii U tech demo shown at E3 which consisted of a mock battle between Link and a Gohma among other things (like Sakura trees and such).
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