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4801  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: What are the seven FFXIII games? on: December 27, 2009, 01:22:14 AM
Shion was a shitty character, now shut your hole.

Care to explain why?

No, but I guess I have to.

Incongruent and disparate portrayal between her personality and profession. One can't be that much of an airhead and be a "top scientist" of any order. She demonstrates none of the mental efficiency that a scientist of her calibre would require to accomplish any task. Further, she has none of the professional drive that would be typical of most in her position. In short, she'd be a really lousy scientist by any realistic measure.

But let's say we suspend disbelief for a moment. Even then, her narrative is surrounded with incompetent people. Look at all the people who work on the project with her. Save for Kevin himself, the entire team responsible for KOS-MOS seems like it couldn't figure out basic arithmetic if it needed to. It's one thing to have a casual and friendly group of scientists working together, but they portray no credibility.

Shion herself is a shining example of this. She has no professional credibility in her character, and she's ill-suited to be a main character to begin with. She's written from the perspective of a dating sim character (as Neal inferred), using the archetype of the dreamy ditz. If we consider all the primary archetypes that the dreamy ditz might work with, the serious scientist and the nondescript main are on the entirely opposite end of the spectrum.

Her dialogue is also incredibly stupid. She continuously states the obvious, is absent minded for major events, and is far too immature to be credible as an experienced professional (I keep reiterating this point, but it's very important).

Had Shion been in a more minor role and profession, she might be tolerable. Make her a highschool girl who gets caught up in the chaos, or a love interest to the actual protagonist -- these would have been fine. She might even work as an intern assistant to a scientist, whose bumbling is a bit of comic relief or serves to create a cute balance for her more straight-arrow mentor.

As that straight-laced scientist and consummate professional? As the person out to save the universe? Shion sucks.

You really go back and forth there.

Here's all I have to say. I really, not for a moment, found that I was annoyed, or that I even cared one bit, about the perceived "problems" you have with Shion.

She's not a great character. In essence, she's a nobody protagonist. Like a silent protagonist, except she does actually talk. She's important for a few reasons, mostly involving the role her parents played, and the fact that at some point she hopped in the sack with Kevin, the real brains behind the operation.

Shion being a not-so-amazing protagonist in no way decreased my enjoyment of the game. I think you have to force yourself to care as much as Mark does to get this upset. :)

That's a lot of *words* to state that she's a typical one dimensional anime heroine with stupidly thick plotarmor.

The only reason why she was the main character to begin with was that KOS-MOS wasn't cliched enough for the role (though, in reality, KOS-MOS really was the main character of Xenosaga while Shion was just the bumbling sidekick who simply had narrative prerogative).
4802  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: 5 Favorite JRPGs of 2009 on: December 26, 2009, 02:26:17 AM
DQV
M&L3
LoZ:ST
FE:SD
DQV
4803  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: December 26, 2009, 02:14:10 AM
A video.

A screenshot.

And an article.

[tl;dr=Cocona will be appearing in AT3 as a playable character, and AT3 will be appearing in the States under a higher ESRB rating]Merry Xmas[/tl;dr]
4804  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Crystal Chronicals order... CANCELED on: December 25, 2009, 09:53:24 PM
Star Ocean 4 got a better metacritic score than FFCC:CB. :P

To be honest, was the FFCC a good series?

Better than SO.

Anyways. I'm not too surprised since I had heard during the development phase that Crystal Bearers was going to use Dawn of Mana's physics engine and realized then that this game would never surpass adequate (and maybe just barely reach it). After all, even if CBs isn't as retarded about their gameplay as SD4 was they're still using a dodgy frame to work from.
4805  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Game Journal XX - Sharpened Pencil Midnight Bathouse on: December 25, 2009, 06:09:20 PM
Finished Spirit Tracks this morning, been playing M&L3 since. I just beat the Wiggler boss fight.

Also cleared Mission 19 in OB64.
4806  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Smoking makes you gay, study says on: December 25, 2009, 05:58:03 PM
Smoking killed my father and raped my mother. :(
4807  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The Xmas swag thread. It's an RPGFan Xmas tradition! on: December 25, 2009, 05:57:03 PM
$300
LoZ: Spirit Tracks
M&L3: Bowser's Inside Story
A Charlie Brown Christmas DVD
and a $25 gift card for the local used game store.
4808  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: 5 Favorite JRPGs of 2009 on: December 21, 2009, 10:12:18 AM
DQV*V.
4809  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: New Information about Final Fantasy XIII on: December 20, 2009, 12:21:15 AM


The first few FFXIII maps are technically like that. Just add in pretty HD grafix and seeable monsters.

And people wonder why the biggest haters of the FF series are the series biggest fans.

We all know that you're going to be buying this game on day 1.
4810  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: New Information about Final Fantasy XIII on: December 19, 2009, 07:15:03 PM
So far the main complaint was its map linearity. I mean each dungeon is like a piece of string? :P

Edit: Added the main complaints (somehow spoiler free but spoiler-tagged it just in case and NSFW link)

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/12/20/why-final-fantasy-xiii-is-a-bad-game/

See the problem with your argument is that you're quoting from SankakuComplex.

You really should find a more reliable (or less creepy/pedo) source for your information.
4811  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: FFVIII coming soon (US PSN), Vagrant Story - December 22 (EU PSN) on: December 19, 2009, 07:06:00 PM
This is all well and good but I have copies of both of those games. I'd like to some more square stuff though, namely Parasite Eve, Xenogears, and Einhander.

Maybe someday we'll even see Suikoden II?  I wonder..

I would get a PS3 if this happens.
4812  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Worst. Date. Ever. (Bring your pee bottle) on: December 19, 2009, 12:13:59 PM
Its about time we had another bodily function failure thread on this forum (perhaps we were a bit overdue).

However I'm all for gender equality and the next time someone feels the urge to make another one of these threads so I have to ask if it would be too much to ask for if one of you can find a story of a female making God cry next time?

Seriously, haven't we had enough stories of guys trying to weed themselves out of the gene-pool through self-mutilation? Because, I'm pretty sure this site has covered the gamut of every willful emasculation save for getting your junk caught in the kitchen sink's disposal mechanism.
4813  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Famitsu announces a new Lufia (Estpolis) game on: December 19, 2009, 11:32:03 AM
Dekar is probably the only guy manly enough to make pink hair masculine.

He just needs some yellow pants and he'd be a real 'Bad Man'.
4814  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: December 18, 2009, 11:03:35 PM
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177380

Some stuff to look forward to down the road.
4815  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The awesome deals thread on: December 18, 2009, 11:01:21 PM
I ended up picking up brand new copies of both Zelda: Spirit Tracks and Mario & Luigi 3 for $25 apiece at Target on Wensday. I think I also spotted Super Mario Galaxy for $40 bucks new there as well.
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