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616  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: FFXIV Thread on: November 25, 2010, 06:32:41 PM
Patch Notes are live. Looks to be more of a fix/adjustment patch than anything. Won't be home to check them out till tomorrow but decent list of adjustments. Should bring to the game up to where it should have been at launch.

Unfortunately the "Search" feature they promised for the Market Wards isn't there. Glad to see they finally nerfed Punishing Barbs, but kind of annoyed they nerfed Feint. Increasing the TP cost makes it even less likely we'll use it since its main purpose is to give us a guaranteed strike when we miss - which means we usually have less TP to play with than usual. Hopefully the adjustments to accuracy will make its overuse a non-issue.

Very curious that they removed the server active population from the Party menu. I guess it was too demoralizing to log in and see only 500 people on your server, but it was nice to actually gauge your server's prime time. Not a bad patch but still missing alot of features. Looks like the december patch will be the one for new content and hopefully the major market ward overhaul.
617  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: What MMOs Are you Expecting in 2011? on: November 25, 2010, 01:40:19 PM
Don't forget TERA: Exiled Realms of Arborea.
618  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: FFXIV Thread on: November 25, 2010, 01:29:49 PM
While Parn's being a smart-ass, I do agree with his general point: You kinda jumped on the lot of us, Stephen. I'm not gonna call you any names or anything, I'm just here to point out that you can't tell complainers to shut up. These are valid complaints, and just because you're close to your fandom doesn't give you the right to first tell everyone to shut the hell up, and then afterwards act like you're in the right. Either admit your mistake or don't, it's up to you. One will make you the bigger man.

Mark, I've not once said that anyone's complaints aren't valid. Everyone here is entitled to their opinion - some people (like Parn) like to be assholes about it, and that's kind of why the whole topic has pissed me off. I can respect what alot of people have been saying. If they don't like the game, fine - I have never argued that point. The main point of contention over the game at this point is whether or not its salvageable for some people. Time will tell. My position has been to be patient and obviously many folks don't agree with me, and that's ok too.

What mistake are you talking about? My opinion is my opinion, there's no right or wrong. I'm defending my opinion which is entirely my right, just like it is for everyone else here. If I have in the course of this thread insulted someone or made them feel criticized, then I do apologize for that. I'd like to see the same consideration in return.
619  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: FFXIV Thread on: November 25, 2010, 01:15:48 PM
is there any restriction on equiping another jobs abilities? or is this eventually gonna devolve into everyone equiping the best ps weapon and equiping the best abilities?

There is a restriction on abilities. Some abilities are significantly weaker when used on another job, some are job-specific. Not quite sure what you mean by best weapon, since changing weapons changes your class. There are different kinds of weapons within each class though - Gladiators can use swords and daggers, Conjurers can use Staves or Wands etc. So while there's probably going to be a "best" of each kind, there's at least some wiggle room.
620  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy XIV Journal on: November 22, 2010, 10:48:29 AM
Not enough news to warrant a whole new entry but got some screenshots of Dreamtoad and Efts - some of the larger scale creatures i've ended up fighting in the level 40 leves. Efts are sadly the SP mob of choice for grind parties. They're cool to look at for the first hour then its like... Efts... great... more Efts... even more fabulous. Hey! a Dodo, I haven't seen one of those in a while... More Efts? Are you serious?

Anyway, here's Dreamtoad, the first real boss type leve mob I've fought outside of Faction leves. The toad model can be found around Mor'dhona but none of this size.



And here's the Eft *grumble*

621  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: FFXIV Thread on: November 21, 2010, 02:43:40 AM
Here we go!

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The point I was trying to make was that it's the same people expressing the same thing over and over again.

It's best to be asking why that happens to be the case.

Why would I ask? Everyone has been more than vocal with the specific reasons for their discontent. If there was a shadow of a doubt why people were unhappy I would have asked. It would only add to the redundancy.

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but my opinions are just as valid as anyone else

Which is exactly the problem people like Parn had with you saying that us complaining about the game is just QQ.


There's a big difference between objectively voicing your unhappiness and whining. Trolling those who disagree with you then acting like you did nothing wrong is about as purile as you can get. I call QQ when I see it and if that offends people they need to look into a mirror and ask what's wrong with this picture.

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at least I'm trying to give some insight into the game well beyond the initial levels where most everyone else has quit

One of the major complaints about the game is precisely that the game has very little progression. The reason a bunch of people didn't get past a certain level is because we knew we didn't need to. While browsing any wiki and such (Which is practically required for the game!) it's easy to see there's little variety throughout all the levels. You arbitrarily stamping level 20 or whatever as an arbitrary level people have to get to to "understand" the game makes little sense to me when the information is easily accessible.

Ok, did you just really say that? I can understand people not wanting to play because they don't like the game for personal preference reasons, but to base that on a wiki sounds preposterous. Since when has a wiki, and an incomplete one at that, been the gold standard of something's worth. If you have to use a wiki to play the game outside of recipes I really can't think of what to tell you. If a wiki is the sole determinant for people's desire to play then why the fuck am I wasting my time preparing a review?

But seriously, outside of recipes, I haven't had a need for one, so I disagree with your opinion.

Also I'm not arbitrarily stamping rank 20 (not level 20) as the point where you "get" the game. There's nothing arbitrary about it. If you actually read what I wrote, rank 20 is a significant milestone. Faction leves and class quests become available and you get to the meat of the storyline as well as acquiring your path companion. It's also the first time you can join guilds and spend guildmarks which enhance your gameplay. For me, it's where the game really clicked for me. If you choose to disagree that's your prerogative, but That was my opinion and I gave concrete examples of why rank 20 was a turning point. I didn't just pull a number out of my ass.

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I like to think I have a little more respect for people on these forums than most posters, but when I dish back it's a travesty?

Like I said, nobody was actually making any attacks to you personally until you came in claiming we were all a bunch of crybabies because we don't like the game. You're not the one that dished back. You're not a victim here. Then when people do dish back, you respond by being passive aggressive (There's no quotes around it, it's what you were doing).

Maybe you need to re-read this thread before you make that assumption. People griped, I said "be patient, this is SE, this should come as no surprise given their history," Then people turned from griping to whining and being bitchy to me because I didn't endorse their opinion, trolling and sarcasm ensued, people got banned, others set to ignore and the world went on harmoniously this way for the last month. I was sarcastic to you when I called you jaded. There was nothing passive aggressive about it. I thought it was pretty direct. You've had nothing positive or even remotely optimistic or hopeful since the beta and I got tired of hearing it and called you on it. If being snarky is a moshable offense then I'm amazed we have a community left.

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1. Thoughts on the November patch details e.g.
2. Thoughts on them working on a mouse/keyboard UI aside from the current controller UI.
3. Thoughts on upcoming NMs
4. Thoughts on SE's abrupt change in communication with the playerbase and will it last.
5. Thoughts on never seeing an AH, can the retainer system bridge the gap with the upcoming changes.
6. Thoughts on grouping the current state of SP/Fatigue.

I've actually talked about at least 1 and 3, but apparently you didn't think it was worth responding to, which I don't mind, but don't claim people haven't talked about it if it wasn't in a way that suits your fancy.

Yes, you should all discuss things in a method that suits my fancy. Seriously? Again I would expect something more stimulating than "It's too vague" or the general trend of bashing their attempts to rectify the game's problems before they've even rolled out the first patch. My disgust with this thread is how it's become trendy to bash the game's potential based on wanting to agree with a consensus who seem content to linger on the past negative instead of being even cautiously optimistic. It's hard to have a dialogue when the opposite side is content with being an inert brick wall.

To be truthful,  I know I haven't necessarily been the most open-minded with some people's complaints with the game. It's not that I think I'm a close-minded person, but the overwhelming negativity that explodes around this game (some valid, some just baseless raging) has been enormous enough to piss me off the more I have to read the bellyaching. My one year old daughter cries less.  I understand that because so many of us were looking forward to the game and when we got what was little more than a paid beta (yes, I can agree to that) , but when the battle lines were drawn between supporters and detractors and they were drawn hard. All I would like to see is this thread go back to a sharing and respecting of opinions, even if I'm in the minority.

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comments I've made taken out of context

I'm still trying to figure out what this is supposed to mean. I respond to your comments exactly as they appear, and if you think you've been misunderstood, then you clarify and say that the other person misunderstood, don't simply say that they did.
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That statement has nothing to do with you Hathen, and I already called that person on it and got trolled for it, so whichever. That person is on my ignore list. Problem solved :)
622  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: FFXIV Thread on: November 20, 2010, 05:46:58 AM
Ten pages back you laughed and wholly endorsed a loser who literally had nothing of value to add to the discussion, and was posting solely to insult and harass other people who didn't like the game, merely because his opinion was in line with yours. When he was causing trouble you didn't even bat an eye because he agreed with you. Now you're making posts with thinly-veiled insults to people who disagree with you, trying to paint them as rambling lunatics when they haven't said anything remotely offensive. Something tells me that if Tony had taken the opposite stance in his posts you'd have been crying for his ejection from the boards way sooner than anyone else here.

I'm sorry, but I have trouble sympathizing with what you're saying, considering that, reading this entire topic, it went from excitement to tepid enthusiasm to genuine disappointment from pretty much everyone other than you. Nobody said you don't have a right to your opinion. In fact, I don't think I've seen a single person attack you for loving the game, only for calling them crybabies/whiners/etc. Again, if right now the game is broken (and from everything I've heard/seen/read about so far, it definitely is), then complaints and negativity, regardless of how much they're repeated, still hold merit.

I agree, at the time Tony's interjection into the discussion was funny, as we were discussing it as it unfolded and it got out of hand. I may have been upset had I been of the opposite mindset, I may have not. His actions caused him to be banned. Laughing at his comments is in no way a wholesale endorsement of insulting people.  I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm just explaining my point of view. If people feel I'm being personally insulting to them, then I apologize. I've had plenty of sarcastic barbs and comments I've made taken out of context which I find personally insulting but apparently that holds no recognition nor merit with you. I guess I should be asking myself why I even bother contributing to this thread. Obviously my opinions aren't wanted or appreciated.
623  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: FFXIV Thread on: November 20, 2010, 05:29:46 AM
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eventually be fixed in short order

I think this sums up how badly people try to justify some of the nonsensical shortcomings of this game pretty well.

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more than half of them will still find something else they don't like about the game so they can continue to have something to complain about

Ah yes, the good ol' "you'd complain about something even if it was perfect" argument.

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who genuinely want to play the game

ITT: People who wanted something out of the game enough to stick through a heavily flawed alpha/beta, then spend $50+ on it despite that didn't want the game to be good.

Jaded much? How about you bring something new to the table. As you don't play the game and have no interest in doing so and the complaint train has run its course, why are you even still contributing to this thread?

I gotta say Stephen, I think you're a little too near your fandom right now. From any perspective, be it as an investor, a developer, or a player, FFXIV is a dead-on-arrival product. It has too many problems. If they're fixed down the line, great. It becomes viable. But right now, it's like renting an apartment that lacks plumbing and windows. Sure, you can get them put in, but until the landlord fixes such issues, it's not a place I'd want to live.

It feels very much like you're making the argument that people don't "get it" when it comes to FFXIV, which isn't the case at all. Gamers often get a variety of Stockholme Syndrome, wherein they defend the developer or game despite all rational arguments telling them otherwise. I've been there myself, and I'm sure we all have. There are guilty pleasures we all enjoy, and some of us aren't ashamed. There's nothing wrong with that.

The issue I think most people have with your method is that you attempt to validate your opinion in a factual way, or resort to a defensive tone, neither of which holds up when the situation is this one-sided. I understand loyalty to a brand, to a company, a product, or even standing by your investment and purchases, but you can't be too self-righteous about it.

On the other hand? Yeah, I'll agree that some people go too far with the "hurr hurr bad gaem is bad" tone of voice. It's not fun to sit back and watch while your guilty pleasure gets slammed. Sometimes you just can't and you need to say something. Again, been there, done that. But remember, you cannot then go out slagging people because they have valid complaints, no matter how numerous or aggressive they may be.

In the end, this thread isn't just for praise, awe, and neutrality. It's also for bitterness, disgust, and disappointment. It's for the grievances as much as for the applause. I'd say we all have to respect that.

I can appreciate your points Mark, but if people have issue with me backing up my opinions with concrete evidence, then I'm sorry, that's how I debate. If folks think I'm being self-righteous I'm humble enough to apologize if called on it. I like to think I have a little more respect for people on these forums than most posters, but when I dish back it's a travesty? But it's ok for me to sit here and take it. In the several years I've been active on these forums I have never had to put people on ignore but in the space of one thread alone I've had to block two people already for being personally insulting.

Anyway the point I was trying to make was quite simple. The issue of the games current state has been debated to the point of obsolescence. It would be refreshing to see people who are actively participating in the thread to contribute some new topics. Heck I'll give you some.

1. Thoughts on the November patch details e.g.
2. Thoughts on them working on a mouse/keyboard UI aside from the current controller UI.
3. Thoughts on upcoming NMs
4. Thoughts on SE's abrupt change in communication with the playerbase and will it last.
5. Thoughts on never seeing an AH, can the retainer system bridge the gap with the upcoming changes.
6. Thoughts on grouping the current state of SP/Fatigue.

I can go on. Alot of these topics don't require people to have played for long or at all to talk about these things. Instead it's the same old song and dance of people complaining for the last two months and when I get fed up at it, it's suddenly fashionable to hop on Tenchi. I can take criticism but don't expect me to treat anyone with respect if they aren't willing to express the same respect in turn. I think I've been more than tolerant of alot of things, but if me being "passive aggressive" is so shocking, then I really have nothing I can say.
624  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: FFXIV Thread on: November 20, 2010, 04:55:47 AM
Well I'd like to play more myself, and with a group to gain some more levels but I can't ever find anybody that wants to play or the biggest problem nobody ever responds.....

Honestly, don't waste your time grouping till after rank 20. Sure people usually do Nannygoats at 16ish but I see those parties so few and far between you'd be better served just running level 10 leves at 3-4 stars or your 20 leves at 1-3 stars with Guardian's Aspect. At least the patch next week will be fixing SP gain and lowering the requirement for getting to R20.
625  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: FFXIV Thread on: November 20, 2010, 04:46:46 AM
Hey Tenchi. Can this game be maxed out on the Asus G73?

You can with the exception of Ambient Occlusion. The game doesn't handle it well at all on any hardware I've read. I can't really recommend the G73 because Asus has the clock speed and memory speed on the GPU set so low that most DX9 applications will grayscreen. I cannot play FFXIV on the G73 without upclocking slightly through GPUTool. It runs an already hot system a little warmer but it's stable.
626  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: FFXIV Thread on: November 20, 2010, 04:41:29 AM
Jaded much? How about you bring something new to the table. As you don't play the game and have no interest in doing so and the complaint train has run its course, why are you even still contributing to this thread?
You can't just dismiss perfectly valid complaints and criticism because you like the game. Putting up strawman arguments doesn't strengthen your position, it only undermines it. I know for a fact that half the people in this thread who are still complaining about FFXIV are people who really wanted it to succeed and are severely disappointed at its current state. It's fine that you like it, but "ENJOY IT OR GTFO" is not a compelling argument.

The point I was trying to make was that it's the same people expressing the same thing over and over again. Instead of it being constructive criticism or god forbid something other than the poor state of the game at launch, it's a broken record. Complaints are well noted and have been for the last two months. I merely asked that if he had nothing else to actually contribute to the thread other than the exact same complaints, why bother? I'm enjoying the game and I'm not going out of my way to be a white knight but when I actually try to have a dialogue about the game in this thread I get a wave of the same complaints and troll baiting we've all had to read since launch. It's just boring to read or respond to. You can call my arguments strawman, but my opinions are just as valid as anyone else who posts here and at least I'm trying to give some insight into the game well beyond the initial levels where most everyone else has quit. If these folks really want the game to succeed they aren't acting like it. They are entitled to their opinion, but I don't have to agree with them. To a point I really do acknowledge and agree with their point of view, but sarcasm isn't an avenue to meaningful discussion for me, especially when it comes to this game. It's beating a dead horse, and I don't think trying to be positive about it means I deserve to get a bullseye painted on me for it. I'm human, I WILL get defensive.
627  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Final Fantasy XIV Journal on: November 19, 2010, 12:22:10 PM
Since the older general thread has deteriorated into ranting, raving and general tom foolery, I thought I'd start a new one. Since the previous Journal threads seem to be popular it might be nice to start one for FFXIV so people can see what milestones people hit and which content is reached and experienced. Please limit posts in this thread to things you've accomplished in-game and simple theorycrafting questions or helpful nuggets of information. If you feel the need to voice ire, sarcasm or nerd rage - please visit the other thread.


Arliman's Journal - Entry #1

It's been quite an up and down experience since the launch of the FFXIV service. I don't think I need to go into details as its well documented all over the web. The server population of Trabia has diminished but has seemed to have leveled out - not suprisingly the bulk of the playerbase is active in JPN prime-time. I do find it interesting of note that the Japanese this time around are alot more willing to communicate in English than they were in XI. Maybe the trimming of the server population has helped bridge the divide. There isn't much of a sense of JP-onry though I do see the rare post in search comments. Currently i'm linking up with a few other linkshells with active player populations since REUNION is on hiatus - hopefully only temporarily once the fixes and additions are in place. It's pretty nice to be able to follow several linkshell chats at once, though only being able to talk in one at a time without switching active shells is a pain. I gotta tell you though its great for organizing those SP parties.

Speaking of SP, I finally hit level 33 LNC on Wednesday and was really shocked at how fast the Fatigue tiers build once you hit active fatigue. It must have been less than 30 minutes per tier - though some folks were telling me that the Fatigue will reset itself automatically after the 5th or 6th tier, so people just press through it. To be honest the SP loss isn't really all that noticable... not at first. With SP gain on mobs being so sporadic and random its hard to tell what's the penalty and what's not. I've discovered that the SP cap for a grinding party is 500. Guildleves with Guardian's Favor is the only thing that is exempt from that cap - unfortunately getting SP in guildleves after you hit level 20 is pretty much an exercise in futility. So honestly, it's not much different that leveling in XI, only that you get better skill the more people that are in the party and the tighter the level gap. I gotta say having a full party of 15 players is pretty intense, but I do wish folks would pick on mobs other than Efts - but who am I kidding, XI shows how rooted people can be in one activity until someone finally manages to show them there are other ways lol.

So far I managed to finish the level 30 class quest for LNC and the level 30 Ul'dah misson and I wish I had the foresight to take pictures or video capture, because there were some really cool things going down. I really liked having the option of using Parley for diplomacy or just going in lance blazing. I'll have to ask some of my friends who took the route of violence if the cut scene ended up differently. I know of at least one mission where approaching the cutscene location from a different elevation resulted in a longer cutscene, which makes me hope that they add some kind of replay feature, or at least the option to switch nations.

Since i've hit 33 I'm able to do the level 40 guildleves and things are starting to get interesting. Finally some really classic monsters (Arhimans) and some boss-like encounters (the massive Dreamtoad) as well as area defense stuff. They really need to add the variety sooner rather than later. It felt like I was doing the level 20 leves for eons compared to the 30's. I've stuck to my crafting, though I find that I'm now leveling everything other than cooking and alchemy actively. Had to start botany and mining to fuel supply because like every MMO, its always a materials market. It's going along slowly, but consistently. I can't wait until the patch on Wednesday. Getting rid of the +1 and +2 items and 20 more bag and retainer slots will help a ton. Now if only they would hurry and add the delivery system and more retainers I'll be a happy crafter.

Anyway, I've saved the most exciting thing (at least for me) for last. I finally decided to spend a little of my gil stash and got my lance upgraded, my blackened scale mail restored and the rest of my plate updated. Which leaves me with a complete compliment of Rank 41-48 equipment. I was able to buy another lance on the cheap to continue leveling with and I still have my bronze cuirass set, but i'm straight till endgame. I wouldn't dare wear the stuff in combat, though I have promises from the craftsmen in question to be repaired free of charge. At the very least it gets alot of stops and stares. It amuses me to no end to have folks asking me where I bought my gil or if i'm an RMT myself. I like to think of it as being a billboard for some really great crafters - and hey, if they can cut me deals on gear for tossing business their way, how can I refuse?

Anyway I've got a bunch of screenshots to share.










If the gear looks this good now (amazing in different lighting) I can't imagine how it'll look at 99. Anyway, that's all for now. I'll try to get some screengrabs and maybe some video of the Rank 34 Uldah Mission when I get to it. Damn Fatigue ;p
628  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: FFXIV Thread on: November 18, 2010, 03:41:29 PM
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eventually be fixed in short order

I think this sums up how badly people try to justify some of the nonsensical shortcomings of this game pretty well.

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more than half of them will still find something else they don't like about the game so they can continue to have something to complain about

Ah yes, the good ol' "you'd complain about something even if it was perfect" argument.

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who genuinely want to play the game

ITT: People who wanted something out of the game enough to stick through a heavily flawed alpha/beta, then spend $50+ on it despite that didn't want the game to be good.

Jaded much? How about you bring something new to the table. As you don't play the game and have no interest in doing so and the complaint train has run its course, why are you even still contributing to this thread?
629  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: FFXIV Thread on: November 18, 2010, 10:34:07 AM
So......how many of you guys are going to quit playing now that the free trials are ending?

I think most of the people posting here quit before they extended the trial. :P

Still playing actually and looking forward to hitting cap hopefully before the holidays. 33 LNC now and about 4th tier Fatigue unfortunately. Carpentry is kicking my ass though >.<




I will say playing with people who actually enjoy the game (yes, they still exist) and are looking forward to its evolution and improvement have gone a long way into revitalizing my enthusiasm for the game. Having to listen to all the negative Nelly's for weeks on end about shit that will eventually be fixed in short order was a real downer. I just think its kind of sad that the same people who quit the game are still bitching about it. I'm not holding my breath for them to come back even after the large patches on Nov 25th and Dec, because more than half of them will still find something else they don't like about the game so they can continue to have something to complain about. I do hope that the players who genuinely want to play the game after its issues have been addressed will come back and play, because the game is so much more fun with a group. The others can go play Cataclysm and find stuff to bitch about there too.
630  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: FFXIV Thread on: November 11, 2010, 05:13:54 AM
Lodestone has new information on the upcoming version updates, including the one for next year.

Comprehensive List of Content from Large-Scale Version Updates

Newest update - Hit 30 LNC and started hitting 20 on more of the crafts so getting to see alot more storyline. Each class (all 18 of them) has their own stories that are related to the nations that house their guilds. These aren't fluff either - they're almost as involved as the main storyline of each nation. By leveling several at once you get a much better experience of the game world.  Still waaaay too much running around, but the storyline is getting pretty damn cool. It appears Garuda is also present as is a new race of creatures who look like angels of death. Got a peek at some of the mecha from the Garlean Empire too. I'm finding that playing the game like XI (focusing on grouping for leveling) makes the ranks move by at a much better pace as guildleves aren't worth doing after 20 other than for guild marks, faction points and cash. Some of the faction leves are giving out ruined equipment ala cursed gear that high level crafters can restore to sickening statistics. I found that putting the guildleves on the back burner after 20 to focus on other things directly like leveling has helped alot of the tedium. Content (not storyline) remains thin but with a faster pace of leveling there's more missions to do - which is a huge plus.

We have a lot of crafters hitting 50 now and some of the gear they're putting out is simply stunning - unfortunately you need a pocket crafter to keep your gear in working order. Getting to see some of the higher level dungeon areas and mobs which is refreshing. ex. Discovered there's an entire subterranean lair of giant ants below Copperbell Mines, so there's dungeons within dungeons. Unfortunately people are still camping the same set of creatures, but folks are branching out more into the recesses of the world and its alot bigger than it seems.
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