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6421  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy WiiWare/Virtual Console announcements on: March 27, 2009, 05:42:52 AM

Good to see Square maintaining their usual standards of writing quality.
6422  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: March 27, 2009, 05:28:26 AM
Having fun with Dynasty Warriors 6. I cleared Sima Yi, Sun Shang Xiang, and Guan Yu's stories so far. Now I'm working on Dian Wei. I think I'm tolerating the repetitive gameplay primarly because it looks so pretty on my hdtv. :D

I keep thinking about getting this, but I already have DW4, and DW5 is cheaper. Is it that much of an improvement over the latter two that I should get this? Or is DW5 better?

Anyway, Oddworld keeps impressing me. It pretty much IS Flashback with Exile-esque interactivity and interaction-driven emergence. It's also very gorgeous and atmospheric, and does a great job with non-textual storytelling. But the gameplay and designs what's really impressing me. I'm in the second  'level' now, and it's more open than the first, but with backtracking via those portals, kind of.

Also, spent some time with FFL2, because it's my favorite game. One of the things -- I might've mentioned this before -- that I was sort of liking about FF2 is the way that not every town has every weapon, which in theory gives you a non-story reason to back track or visit towns. In practice it doesn't work all that well. The actual Saga games improve on this a lot. I remember, especially, in FFL1 the way that one of the towns had a lot of equipment suitable for mutants, so I always had to go back there to resupply. Up to Giant's town in FFL2. Good equipment there but I can't afford it yet, so I always know I can go back later and get it.

I remember someone mentioning the pet peeves thread where they didn't like having to constantly revisit towns to see if new sidequests opened up. I think making sidequests less apparent, but giving players a non-story reason to go back -- special weapons like in the SaGa games, or minigames like in Zelda, for instance -- would alleviate this issue. That way you can sitll surprise them with new events without having to hint at them thus ruining the surprise, but they also want be as likely to miss them or forced to a bunch of repetitive endless backtracking.

( I can't remember if Morrowind did this or not. I have various economy mods running that make store inventories dynamic).

(I like pretending that the trees in FFL2 are araucarias :333)
6423  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: It's official: the news media is comprised of functional retards. on: March 27, 2009, 05:18:06 AM

Oh sweet a larch. I loooove larches :3
6424  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 25, 2009, 07:51:20 PM
I guess my main problem with the DID was that it wasn't really even necessary. Look, you already HAVE the thing where Fei keeps getting reincarnated. Run with *that*. I'm sure that reincarnation, at least in a fantasy context, is a perfectly good reason to have multiple identities. So what, like, have him shift around between the people he used to be sometime without him realizing it... have that be some huge buildup to a big reveal about the reincarnation.

When I found out Id was Fei my main response was "Wait they don't even look similar." I'm sure this was probably explained via nanites, but still.

I also never felt like they really made the connection between Fei's multiple presonalities and the reincarnation thingy, either.

I actually DID think they were going that way with Elly, which makes it seem even stranger to me.

I want someone to make an RPG where your first enemy is a tornado :3c
6425  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The sacred battle screen... or "why is it sacred"? on: March 25, 2009, 07:40:49 PM
FFXII is basically ATB where you can move around, yeah. In a big sense it's pretty similar to what CT did. Only you can run around.
6426  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Don't let your kids paint your house. on: March 25, 2009, 05:41:15 PM
Rory’s mum Clare, 49, said: “We don’t want any more children."

6427  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The sacred battle screen... or "why is it sacred"? on: March 25, 2009, 05:39:40 PM
The sacred battle screen... or "why is it sacred"?

Because it been around for a hell of a long time.

In all seriousness, you're likely to have a load wait even if the battle system is on-map, unless it's an action RPG or whatever FFXII did. And the shatter effect replaces a load bar.

Programmers would save themselves hours of time

That battle screen is just an interface. Interfaces do not take that long to program. They take forever to design, but you're still going to have a battle interface even if it's not a seperate battle screen.

Also, your average 16-bit RPG didn't have any longer for a battle load-in or load-out than CT did. Yes, you switched screens in FFIV. And in CT you had a few seconds where everyone drew there weapons.

You could also get the same effect as CT by taking a temporary screencap, minus character and enemy sprites, of the current dungeon/town/wherever, load up a seperate battle screen, and then use that screencap as the background. Actually, I think that's how you emulate it in RPGMaker. Of course, if it's a DS or SNES game, you'd also want gratuitous mode 7 effects.

cause it's da seventh goddamn mode and u know dat turns u on

Unless it's like Tales of the Abyss where battles take forever to load it's kind of not an issue, at least from the reasons you're describing it.

Programmers would save themselves hours of time, and fans would have less to complain about if they just did away with the whole battle screen all together. To date, only ONE turn-based RPG has ventured to do this, over a decade ago, and it's been praised ever since: Chrono Trigger.

Septerra Core, Ultima 6, Fallout, Fallout 2, Arcanum, might and magic 3-5, might and magic 6-8 if you count their optional turn-based thing, Wizardry 8, arguably Phantasy Star 1 while you're in the dungeons, since it just overlays the enemies on top of the current view, Arc the Lad 2, probably the other arc the lads (and not the first one since there aren't areas you can walk around in), The Spirit Engine, the Avernum series (seperate battle maps if you're on the overworld, mind, for obvious reason), every roguelike ever (Except that crappy one that starts with an E or an L or something, and it's very yellow looking), arguably any first person RPG that behaves like PS1, actually...

* loads up RPGFan review pages *

Shadowrun on the SNES, Drakken, probably more that I don't feel like looking for right now...

Although the list is shorter if you remove games that let you move around in battle, and if that's the case, I'm going to say that having a seperate screen is probably the most appropriate design if your battle system just consists of picking menus from an option. And really, the fact that battles took place on the map in CT, instead of in a seperate screen, was more of a purely aesthetic thing with a very minimal affect on the gameplay.

In general the main reason for having a seperate screen is that, if your battle system uses a drastically different interface from the rest of your game, like most of the games using a seperate screen do, then you really don't want to overload your initial context. and in most JRPGs, that battle system and the rest of the game are kept pretty seperate.
6428  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 25, 2009, 12:25:57 AM
I'll be honest.

I didn't read any of Mesh's response.

6429  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: March 24, 2009, 09:00:42 PM
Oddworld 2pack was like, 3.75 on steam this weekend so I bought that. Just go all the mudokons on the first stage. I'm really liking this. Sort of like out of this world or flashback, obviously, but the level of interaction with the environment is more like Exile or Spelunky.

I do feel like playing some sort of JRPG though I guess. Probably SaGa Frontier, maybe. I don't know.
6430  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 24, 2009, 08:46:28 PM


Grow up.

If it wasn't for pointless arguments over things that didn't really matter then we wouldn't have any need for internet forums anyway and we could all go back to our dead-end jobs and loveless marriages and meth addictions, or maybe that's just me. In any case I'm out of meth and dead hookers, so I think I'll answer Ramza's question.

Also, what the hell, I'm going to say spoiler warnings right up, here, so I don't have to embed the entire post in code tags, because that would be kind of obnoxious. although if anyone objects I'll go back and edit it.

Oh, and please keep in mind that this might take awhile because I can't really name five RPG characters in general off the top of my head.

Just for the sake of being easy here, I think I'll START with Xenogears because there actually were other characters in that game that I... well, not necessarily liked, but found... to have more depth.

Also, a quick comment on depth. Fei might be considered deep in the sense that he is "feature rich" or something. Like, he's got a mental illness, he's his own dad and about twenty other characters, he accidentally killed his mom, and so on and so forth. In this sense I guess he IS deep, but he doesn't seem well developed, or well rounded, or... well, for every aspect of him there is, it felt like there was no overarching gestalt to his personality. He wasn't more or less than the sum of his parts. He just WAS his composite parts. I don't really consider what Fei had to actually be depth.

So, I'm not necessarily saying these characters are deeper than Fei, I guess. I don't really know how well I even remember the game. Maybe I am wrong. Especially with the other XG characters that I kind of found more interesting.

Billy, from Xenogears. He actually had a pretty consistent personality which was, more or less, based around him constantly lying to himself. Sure, the most blatant example of this is how he's kind of in the Ethos' pocket. And I don't think anyone honestly believed that he only CONSIDERED pimping himself out to get money to support his sister. But the scene that struck me the most -- and the one that went kind of overlooked by a lot of people -- is when he's talking about how his parent was killed by the Wels. Except, and I can't remember how the scene played out exactly, it was incredibly apparent even then that Stone killed his parents.

I don't know. Maybe he wasn't really well developed after that. Then I guessed I'd have to lump him in the same boat with Fei.

I'll come up with more later.
6431  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 24, 2009, 06:02:35 PM
Fei Fong Wong is still just about the deepest game character ever.

No he's not. He's pretty generic except for his BS mental illness. He doesn't really even have much of a personality. I mean literally it's like they just glued a bunch of emotional issues onto any stock hero because they didn't know where to take the game.

I think many gamers out there still hold Xenogears in higher esteem than the Xenosaga trilogy

That's because Xenosaga took all of the stuff that sucked from Xenogears and removed all of the stuff that didn't suck :(
6432  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Sands of Destruction on: March 24, 2009, 05:52:56 PM
I'm not talking shit about Ian Gillian. I'm talking shit about that song in particular.
6433  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Sands of Destruction on: March 24, 2009, 12:54:10 AM
PM liked the Blue Dragon boss battle music so I mean take that as you will.
6434  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPG Annoyances/Pet Peeves on: March 23, 2009, 04:12:22 PM
Overly long development cycles.
6435  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 22, 2009, 09:00:55 PM
Anyway Citan had his reasons. Fei and his group was still pretty innocent to the reality of their world, a rude shock is the best way to snap him up. However thats just one reason, requires a lengthy essay which i lack the time these days to bother. not to mention my memory of the game is hazy. :/

Maybe Citan has his reasons.

Maybe it was just a dick move.

Or maybe it was just kind of poorly written, like most of the game.
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