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6616  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Gayming, as it were. on: May 01, 2009, 01:06:59 PM
The problem with saying things like "Homosexuality should be kept ouf ot he public eye" is that... well, what IS homosexuality in a visual sense? It can't really be cross dressing since that's something else and a lot of straight people do that anyway. So maybe it means kissing or holding hands in public. Well, straight people are allowed to do that, and if you want to actually be fair -- I mean, the whole let's keep all our love lifes private, instead of just being homophobic -- then, obviously, straight people shouldn't be allowed to kiss or hold hands in public either.

Of course, there are also a bunch of gay stereotypes. Would just looking gay in public, whatever that entails, violate the idea of keeping homosexuality out of the public eye? Just, any of the stereotypes? Looking a little effeminate? Talking with a lisp? Just doing things that might make people THINK you're gay -- like, you know, a man talking about liking art or gardening or shopping in public. Those are sort of associated with gay males more than straight males.

The funny thing is, if you don't want to see anything that might indicate gay, that tends to indicate... well, a fear of gay things. Which I guess is what you'd call homophobia.
6617  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Gayming, as it were. on: May 01, 2009, 01:13:40 AM
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and Christians came to America to get away from the religious persecution and stupidity that was Europe in the 1500s-1700s.

Wait, I thought it was just the Puritans that fled to America because they were, and still are, largely comprised of intolerant buzzkills. And their intolerant buzzkillitude is why we had things like the Salem Witch Hunts and Rhode Island.
6618  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: 1up: Essential RPGs on: May 01, 2009, 01:08:24 AM
Only on the overworld, though, which is arguably the point at which it was least useful. But still, you ARE right.

Also technically early SMT games did this too, except monsters didn't level up till Nocturne, and demons are sort of fundamentally not party members in the same sense, so not really counting it.
6619  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy X or XII? on: April 30, 2009, 09:42:11 PM
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And FFX's dialogue wasn't horrible either. It had its bad moments, but it wasn't horrible. You clearly haven't played enough videogames (or watched enough dubbed anime) to get a feel for good vs bad voice acting.

I was talking about the writing, not the performances.

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Don't tell me you're going to put up a fight about the "marquis" thing.

Um... I don't know what this means :[
6620  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Gayming, as it were. on: April 30, 2009, 09:32:25 PM
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Being gay doesn't mean you're always searching for a relationship

Yeah, but being a gamer does.

(Oooooooooooh iceburrrrrrrrrrrn)
6621  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy X or XII? on: April 30, 2009, 05:52:17 PM
Okay, maybe I wasn't paying attention, but does the game ever explain what Magicite is? That seemed to be hugely important.

I think the lack of focus on the characters was why I was having such a hard time following it. I didn't really know what was motivating anyone because the characters were defined by their roles in the story, and not the other way around. To the point where it probably was just striking me as an abstract series of events without anything really binding them together.

In any case I just read a plot summary on wikipedia and um... unless it's really incomplete I'm still really not sure what to make of it.
6622  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Gayming, as it were. on: April 30, 2009, 05:35:23 PM
I don't like values in general. Let's all get high on meth and rape cattle while flagelating ourselves.
6623  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Gayming, as it were. on: April 30, 2009, 02:22:21 PM
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BioWare itself allowed for same-sex pairings in their epic science-fiction role-playing game Mass Effect, standing strong in the face of the controversy that those gameplay elements drew from the mainstream media

I thought that was just with lesbians, though.

(Long rant on why I'm bothered more by "It's okay to have lesbians but not gay males" instead of just broad discrimination against homosexuals in general)
6624  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: "The Greatest Enemy of the RPG Genre" article... on: April 30, 2009, 02:17:46 PM
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You can't hold disdain for elitists without being elitist ("I'm better than them") yourself.

Ah, but you see, just because I don't like fandoms and elitists doesn't mean I think I'm any better off than they are.

You know what they say. Whenever you point a finger at someone, there's always four pointing back at yourself. Intentionally.

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If it serves as consolation, at least they're not furries.

There's actually a ton of overlap.
6625  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy X or XII? on: April 30, 2009, 02:15:51 PM
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If you didn't knew what was going on in the story is because you weren't hooked into it, thus, not paying any attention whatsoever.

That's one possibility.

The other possibility is that it's poorly written, not clear about what was going on, and as a result, I didn't get hooked into it.

Or we could go with your way. That works too. It doesn't really matter.
6626  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy X or XII? on: April 30, 2009, 05:38:16 AM
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but convincing and well written

Nothing important Vaan ever said sounds even remotely natural.

Also, honestly, I really stopped giving a damn about FFXII's story as soon as they pulled the "No, you've got it all wrong! My EVIL TWIN did it!" thing. I'm well aware that this was maybe like five hours into the game. I played it for 30 hours total, I think*.

See, the way I framed that, it makes it sound like "Egads! They used the oldest trope in the book! How dare they insult my intelligence!" That's actually not the case, because it's Final Fantasy and stupid plot twists are to be expected. What I ACTUALLY mean is that I can't remember a single damn thing about the entire storyline after the five hour mark, and honestly, the only thing I really do remember is not having a damn clue about what was going on.

That and deifacted nethicyte.

And not knowing what the hell that was or why I should care.

And "I'm captain Basch fan Rosenberg of Dalmasca! Don't listen to Ondore's lies!" Although I can't really remember WHY you were actually doing that. I just remember it because it's basically FFXII's equivalent of the laughing seen. Only it lasts longer and it's more obnoxious.

* Most likely 28. I stopped around the part where you go to Fran's village for some reason, or shortly thereafter because I think there's a dungeon. Or something. For reference, I played Final Fantasy VI, IV, TotA, and a whole lot of other games for even shorter periods of time, and about as long ago, and I could at least, if asked, give enough of a summary to explain what the general storyline was. I honestly do not have a clue what FFXII was about. At all.
6627  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy X or XII? on: April 29, 2009, 10:59:15 PM
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"laughing scene"

Okay, seriously? FFX's dialogue was horrible, sure, but FFXII's wasn't any less horrible, unless I'm the only person that puts any value on mimesis and maybe that's the case but even then I don't think "mimetic" and "dialogue that sounds like things people would actually say" are strictly overlapping entities.

Also, I tend to find BS political dramas to be a lot sillier than BS quasi-religious dramas, probably because I'm just more acclimated to them and they sort of lost the inerhent pretention that they used to have.
6628  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: "The Greatest Enemy of the RPG Genre" article... on: April 29, 2009, 10:55:34 PM
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otaku are often tabletop roleplayers, writers, and artists, which are generally considered pretty creative hobbies (and certainly require imagination).

Oh, I know THAT. I meant more that they kind of suck at those things, though.

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The only times when a review's truly worthless is when it's paid off and not the reviewer's actual opinion, or when it's outright false, neither of which I believe are all that common.

That Australian SupCom review is the only one that comes to mind for me, honestly.
6629  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: "The Greatest Enemy of the RPG Genre" article... on: April 29, 2009, 07:22:22 PM
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Incest provokes similar responses in the US as lolis--violent frothing rage and/or gut-wrenching disgust.

That's only because they don't play videogames south of the Mason Dixon or west of the Mississippi.

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Your stereotypical super-hardcore RPG fan (the Japanese word "otaku" seems appropriate here) is likely to be imaginative, somewhat socially withdrawn, an individualist, and fiercely proud of his unique identity

Most of the otakus around campus here are completely bereft of creativity and don't really seem capable of individual thought, unless it's related to anime or internet memes, and even then that's pretty borderline about being individual thought. They're also all pretty much the same

Fandom in general is a big problem for a lot of things. While I generally agree completely with the article (I guess. I never bothered reading most of it) it didn't seem to distinguish between individual fans and fandom.

Fans like a certain thing. Fandom is more like a collection of fans expected to behave and think in a very lockstep manner, even if it drives them to the point of incoherence. Fandoms also tend to spawn those righteously indignant fans that take personal offense when they don't like entry X in favorite series Y, and come up with all sorts of paranoid rationalizations to justify their paranoid irrationality.

Or, put another way, fans are capable of making good games. Fandoms are mostly just capable of feeling scorned.
6630  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: In this thread, a guy bites his own dick off! on: April 29, 2009, 07:18:36 PM
Hey, you know who could totally bite his own dick off? Batman.

You know why? Cause he's the goddamn Batman.

But he won't.

You know why? Cause he's the goddamn Batman.

Motherfuckers.
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