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6781  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Best story in an RPG? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE!!) on: August 08, 2009, 09:06:16 AM
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The plots are recycled cliches, the characters are common archetypes, but the storytelling: that is the writing, and the process of unveiling the events of the story, are often top notch.

No it's not. Tales of the Abyss is just one massive clusterfuck of telling instead of showing, and they accomplish this by either having characters just outright STATE their emotions -- tear and luke are especially egregious here -- or acting in such an exagerated manner that it moves from showing and into YES OKAY JADE AND ARIETTA ARE BASTARDS I GET IT CAN WE MOVE ALONG NOW.

Anyway, I'd say the story is far from the only reason to play Torment, although Torment is a weird example of story and gameplay being sort of very intertwined that it's hard to tell where one ends and another begins. I mean, it's hard to say, exactly, if the act of working through the conversation trees is a game, and like solving a puzzle, or just a story element. I tend towards the former. Is this circle of zerthimon a plot exposition device or a character building device? The tattoos, even?  The sidequests? You also have a lot of choice as to WHAT KIND of Nameless One you are. It's a very exploration heavy kind of game, especially in regards to exploring CHOICES, and I do consider that gameplay.

I think the best way I can say my thoughts is that Torment supplants combat with conversation, and to the same effect -- Torment is a rare example where you can either win or lose dialogues, and get experience and treasure for winning.

That and I thought combat was a lot more fun than in BG2 just because it was a lot faster and not nearly as incessant.
6782  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: August 08, 2009, 09:00:49 AM
kyuusei, here's a single super-mindfuck spoiler about DDS2 if you wanna read it and be confused.

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DDS2 takes place in Oregon.
6783  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Best story in an RPG? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE!!) on: August 08, 2009, 12:47:49 AM
They're all pretty good really.
6784  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: August 06, 2009, 11:25:03 PM
Don't non-active members level up (and for that matter nobody is really useless in DDS2 insofar as the EGG facility from what I've seen).
6785  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: August 06, 2009, 10:57:35 PM
I forgot to mention I was playing P3 earlier tonight. Something about that game makes me have a hard time wanting to keep playing it though. Also I have 30 hours clocked on it somehow. At june 22nth. There's nothing I really DISLIKE about P3, other than some of the requests being a bit of a pain, but IDK.

Unrelated, my monadenium flowered. Here's a gratuitously large picture. http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6742/dscf2746x.jpg
6786  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: August 06, 2009, 10:50:52 PM
Fought Crisosphinx in CC. Did it the right way. Tried again to kill it. Died immediately.
6787  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: August 06, 2009, 09:53:46 PM
Also there are probably harder SMT games anyway. I mean, Persona 1 might fit just because of the lack of savepoints (for the love of god don't play this on a real PSX). SMT1 and 2 are harder in a sense just because their balance isn't so spot-on.

Nocturne's harder in the sense that you don't get a skill bank when you learn skills like ni DDS1/2 so it's THEORETICALLY possible to total create a useless character although the odds of you doing this accidentally are slim.
6788  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: August 06, 2009, 09:21:18 PM
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I had put it off as I kept hearing that it was the hardest SMT.

Only on hard mode and even then it's still *fair*.

Also, Chinese is a set of languages, not A language. Mandarin and Catonese are not dialects. They're languages. They're more distinct than Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish are, in any case.

Then again, you know what that old dead Jewish guy said. A language is just a dialect with a military.
6789  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: I hate Raidou vs Abaddon *Spoilers* on: August 06, 2009, 08:48:43 PM
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Persona 4's plot would probably make this guy cry because you have to EARN the best ending by having to...yanno, think.

Oh so it's not like VP where you just have to be some alien voodoo mindwizard to figure that thing out?
6790  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: top 5 protagonists/antagonists in rpg history! on: August 06, 2009, 08:47:41 PM
The Kzer-za ur-quan in SC2.

Two reasons.

Backstory/rational for their supposed evilness.

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The first race they ever met was the Dynarri, who basically turned the entire Ur-Quan race into slaves, via mental control. So they have a long history of legitimately being screwed over.

Reason for being PERCIEVED as evil.

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They either enslave or imprison every race they meet. Slaves have a fair degree of autonomy.

Reason why they're so cool.

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They're not actually really BAD. They enslave these races to prevent them from destroying themselves, and more importantly, they're fighting the Kohr-Ah Ur-Quan, who believe in killing everyone

So they're complex, moral ambiguous, and just all around interesting.

I need to play SC2 more. It's really awesome.

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Completely unrelated to SC2, but just since I was playing ToS lately, Genis does strike me as a more believable child protagoinst although can't really say *why*.
6791  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: August 06, 2009, 08:40:28 PM
I think the question was specifically *widespread* usage although I'm not sure. Widespread refers more to prevalence as a second language and geographical sprawl.

Also, the total number of English speakers isn't known, but if you include second language speakers, it's probably higher than total mandarin speakers, slightly.

Anyway, DDs2 is harder than Nocturne fffff. I died a bunch thanks to Ose being an *ass* against my partial translation. In EGG facility, floor... 13.
6792  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: August 06, 2009, 06:59:43 PM
Persona 3 did something retarded. It just asked which was the most widespread language.

Obviously, I said English. The correct answer was Chinese.

Chinese DOES have the most speakers, but it's hardly widely used.
6793  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Best Upgrade systems in RPGs? on: August 06, 2009, 04:31:13 PM
Draw points isn't Drawing in the sense of using Draw.

Also getting Str-J up still isn't THAT lengthy to do. And my point still stands.
6794  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: August 05, 2009, 11:44:34 PM
Played ToS some. Dirk won't let me make figurines. Anyone know why?
6795  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: top 5 protagonists/antagonists in rpg history! on: August 05, 2009, 10:24:25 PM
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Eustace's link

I'm not alooooooooone 8D

I'd also like to note that Rocket Town sort of reminds me of Wapak, with the notable exception being that Neil Armstrong actually DID go into space, but it's similar in the sense that it's still a crappy backwater town living in the shadow of its former importance.

FFVII's world is also similar to Ohio in the sense that there's only two large cities, a completely disproportionate number of caves, and everywhere else is either rural or some sort of former industrial town that's now falling apart because the industry left.

Also similar to Lima because, like in FFVII, there's a huge refinery about two miles from here and it's huge. So it's sort of like a Mako Reactor only instead of slowly poisoning everyone it's... oh wait.

I need to goddamn move.
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