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6991  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 24, 2009, 08:46:28 PM
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UH OH.

SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET DISAGREES WITH SOMEONE ELSE.

Grow up.

If it wasn't for pointless arguments over things that didn't really matter then we wouldn't have any need for internet forums anyway and we could all go back to our dead-end jobs and loveless marriages and meth addictions, or maybe that's just me. In any case I'm out of meth and dead hookers, so I think I'll answer Ramza's question.

Also, what the hell, I'm going to say spoiler warnings right up, here, so I don't have to embed the entire post in code tags, because that would be kind of obnoxious. although if anyone objects I'll go back and edit it.

Oh, and please keep in mind that this might take awhile because I can't really name five RPG characters in general off the top of my head.

Just for the sake of being easy here, I think I'll START with Xenogears because there actually were other characters in that game that I... well, not necessarily liked, but found... to have more depth.

Also, a quick comment on depth. Fei might be considered deep in the sense that he is "feature rich" or something. Like, he's got a mental illness, he's his own dad and about twenty other characters, he accidentally killed his mom, and so on and so forth. In this sense I guess he IS deep, but he doesn't seem well developed, or well rounded, or... well, for every aspect of him there is, it felt like there was no overarching gestalt to his personality. He wasn't more or less than the sum of his parts. He just WAS his composite parts. I don't really consider what Fei had to actually be depth.

So, I'm not necessarily saying these characters are deeper than Fei, I guess. I don't really know how well I even remember the game. Maybe I am wrong. Especially with the other XG characters that I kind of found more interesting.

Billy, from Xenogears. He actually had a pretty consistent personality which was, more or less, based around him constantly lying to himself. Sure, the most blatant example of this is how he's kind of in the Ethos' pocket. And I don't think anyone honestly believed that he only CONSIDERED pimping himself out to get money to support his sister. But the scene that struck me the most -- and the one that went kind of overlooked by a lot of people -- is when he's talking about how his parent was killed by the Wels. Except, and I can't remember how the scene played out exactly, it was incredibly apparent even then that Stone killed his parents.

I don't know. Maybe he wasn't really well developed after that. Then I guessed I'd have to lump him in the same boat with Fei.

I'll come up with more later.
6992  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 24, 2009, 06:02:35 PM
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Fei Fong Wong is still just about the deepest game character ever.

No he's not. He's pretty generic except for his BS mental illness. He doesn't really even have much of a personality. I mean literally it's like they just glued a bunch of emotional issues onto any stock hero because they didn't know where to take the game.

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I think many gamers out there still hold Xenogears in higher esteem than the Xenosaga trilogy

That's because Xenosaga took all of the stuff that sucked from Xenogears and removed all of the stuff that didn't suck :(
6993  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Sands of Destruction on: March 24, 2009, 05:52:56 PM
I'm not talking shit about Ian Gillian. I'm talking shit about that song in particular.
6994  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Sands of Destruction on: March 24, 2009, 12:54:10 AM
PM liked the Blue Dragon boss battle music so I mean take that as you will.
6995  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPG Annoyances/Pet Peeves on: March 23, 2009, 04:12:22 PM
Overly long development cycles.
6996  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 22, 2009, 09:00:55 PM
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Anyway Citan had his reasons. Fei and his group was still pretty innocent to the reality of their world, a rude shock is the best way to snap him up. However thats just one reason, requires a lengthy essay which i lack the time these days to bother. not to mention my memory of the game is hazy. :/

Maybe Citan has his reasons.

Maybe it was just a dick move.

Or maybe it was just kind of poorly written, like most of the game.
6997  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Avalon Code. on: March 22, 2009, 02:20:59 AM
This sounds pretty interesting and it combines my two favorite things -- Action RPGs and genetic engineering -- but I haven't seen any reviews other than the IGN one. Have any actual human people played this yet, and what do you think of it?
6998  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPG Annoyances/Pet Peeves on: March 22, 2009, 12:11:48 AM
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Super Mario Bros 2

It was Doki Doki Panic and a hell of a lot better than the real SMB2 goddammit.

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Adding to mine:
Sidequests that open up in old areas progressively over the course of time, and which you can't locate intuitively (i.e., every once in a while you have to go back and talk to EVERY person in EVERY town to make sure you aren't missing a sidequest).  I hate this.  It forces you to follow a guide word for word, and I don't think a player should have to do that just to experience all the game content.

Do you have any examples of this?
6999  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 21, 2009, 11:50:59 PM
My response was less puke and more "Well that was another goofy sci-fi reference."

I thought the cornea stealing part was nasty.


Also the color scheme in the final dungeon made me have a seizure.

Also wait clinical anxiety at 14.

Good god, I was 15, a freshman in highschool, whatevs, when i got around to actually finishing highschool. Er. Finishing Xenogears. Whatever. And like, this was during the LONGEST FUCKBAT WINTER EVER and every night I was just coming home and freaking out about death.

And then we watched a video on Ebola in bio class, and somehow this is why I can never eat at Olive Garden again.
7000  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Meatballs! on: March 20, 2009, 07:31:48 PM
Wow.

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I dunno, I can smash up some shit with a hammer while they cook...

I read that as "I smash up shit like a hammer with my cock."

Unfortunately you didn't say that. I was about to start worshiping you.

More out of context quotes!

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My mom wraps the Christmas turkey every year in two pounds of bacon and man
7001  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPG Annoyances/Pet Peeves on: March 20, 2009, 04:29:52 PM
Similar to unskippable cutscenes, games with plot-important cutscenes that are really, really easy to skip accidentally by barely touching a button.
7002  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Meatballs! on: March 20, 2009, 04:27:29 PM
Jee I was kind of assuming you'd all be eating metal balls with your metal teeth given how all of you listen to nothing but death metal all the time. Do you at least not cook your meatballs or fill them with blood or something?
7003  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPG Annoyances/Pet Peeves on: March 19, 2009, 11:22:20 AM
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seeing kids just a few years past their mom's tit

So... you're saying that an RPG where the entire cast of kids, where the plot revolved around mammory glands... you're saying that THAT would be a good idea?

I like the cut of your jib, son.

Also if yo have to have an underaged character in a game you should do it like Spark in Ultima 7, where like, if you walk into, I don't know, a brothel, or a naked fairy, he's all like TEEHEE BOOBIES or something. Although I guess he did take all the death in violence in that game pretty well (but I guess seeing his father completely ripped apart probably dessensitized him).
7004  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPG Annoyances/Pet Peeves on: March 19, 2009, 03:03:49 AM
God fucking dammit it's worse in motion. Screw the uncanny valley, we're into entirely uncharted territory here.

Is it that hard to animate a mouth? I mean, that's like... sub-2001 era facial animation.

Those kids remind me of something though.

http://www.nicknz.co.nz/content/3541/Lazy-Town.png

I mean my god could you been any more puppety.

Another update after watching the video further but why is all of the texture work on the scenery just like a random mess of lines.

Also never seen this in an RPG but there was that semi-recent trend to make everything look like it was covered in vasoline. I think it was some weird side effect of HDR. http://www.sextonivel.com/images/2007/06/9510001yl4.jpg shows it off really... well... ish.

It's like you give someone a powerful GPU and they all forget how to draw or what things look like or basic facts like skin being fairly matte unless it's either really wet or covered in burns.
7005  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPG Annoyances/Pet Peeves on: March 18, 2009, 11:41:43 PM
There sure is a lot of Star Ocean hate going around though.

It's because the series sucks.

My biggest annoyance?

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God damn you Tri-Ace.

I'll agree with lame characters. Most of the time I can't continue a game when the characters are embarrassingly bad. Sometimes I can get past this(Grandia 3), but other times it just saps all my will to play the game(SO4).

Oh bloody fucking what the hell is that WHAT THE HELL IS THAT.

Now I'll never be able to sleep again. God. Fuckdammit.

Star Ocean 2 wasn't that innocent and simple, btw. It tries to be dark and edgy. It just looks cute and simple because it fails at having a coherent plot.

Just like I fail at... Actually, I don't fail at anything. I'm just awesome like that.
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