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7261  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Shining Force Feather on: December 07, 2008, 12:11:01 AM
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SRPGs are often too slow and tedious for my tastes, especially on console-based gaming systems. I do like RTSes, though.

I AM NOT ALONE HRFF. X-Com and Arc the Lad are the only strategy RPG series that work fast enough for me. Even growlanser was somehow slow and it's realtime.

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Action Rpgs are fine but really a seperate series should have been created for them.

Well, the Shining series was, what, originally a first-person RPG? So it's not like it's really traditionally stucken to one genre.

7262  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Persona 4 on: December 07, 2008, 12:04:11 AM
I could also probably go to Columbus and find like fifty copies of FES there. Ohio's pretty weird.

I mean, SMT:N and the DDS games aren't that common anymore, but a LOT of PS2 games from three years ago are getting difficult to find consistently. The only ones I see are relatively new titles and shovelware movie/sports games that nobody bought anyway.

Gradius 5, for instance.

Admittedly, that's the only PS2 game I've been looking for for the past, like, two years, so maybe the other ones are more common. Who knows.
7263  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Persona 4 on: December 06, 2008, 05:25:26 PM
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Atlus and NISA titles tend to be rare; it's like, if you don't pick it up when it first comes out, you just aren't going to get your hands on it.

I live in a part of Ohio, though, where I could, say, go to any given Walmart right at this very moment and they'd all have copies of FES.
7264  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Game Journal MXVII: Crisis Atelier Spectral Moon III on: December 06, 2008, 05:22:29 PM
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Didn't you need specific, and seemingly hard to find, items to learn skills?

Yeah, but they weren't THAT hard to get from what I played. Most of them were in chests, and the more common ones were drops. So it's not a very natural skill progression and is more based around reaching an arbitrary point in the game where you find the lipstick and magnet yuo need to learn how to shoot missiles from your sword.
7265  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Game Journal MXVII: Crisis Atelier Spectral Moon III on: December 06, 2008, 12:40:00 PM
SMTO is gonna be free to play?

Well, I might give it a shot then. /me goes off to load it down.
7266  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Game Journal MXVII: Crisis Atelier Spectral Moon III on: December 06, 2008, 01:54:48 AM
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Hey, would you object to me reading your story? 'Course, I know I don't like showing my writing to anybody, it embarasses me. I made it all the way to 7th grade, so I know I've got tons of errors, structurally, grammatically, you name it. So, just askin' for askin's sake.

Sure. Let me clean it up a bit first and write enough so that I have something COHERENT. I could PM you a plot synopsis I guess. Could I read yours?

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Well, so far so good. I can see why it got the acclaim it did. Sure, it's kinda childish in tone, clowns freak me out and an elephant just did a backflip, but these randomly generated dungeons are like crack! Definitely gonna stick with this one.

I don't know what you felt about Rogue Galaxy but that had a lot of"what the hell were they thinking?" moments for me, mostly in regards to dungeon design I wasn't fond of, a skill learning system that was bizarre, and other things I don't really remember much. I only got to around the prison dungeon, but I really stopped caring by that point. How would you say DC2 compares?

Anyway, I cleared out the lighthouse dungeon in DQIV. Once it hits chapter 5, it really starts to flow. Except Maya died during the boss fight and is like, two levels behind now. Whups. Also, I LOVE the tarot cards. I'm hoping they don't have a secret, rare "Kills your entire party lol!" effect like, I don't know, !@#$%f(ki* Setzer or Cat Bastard.

And now I want to hurt square even more for removing party chat :}

DQ5 should be having it though. Judging from early screens in any case.

:} :} :} "} :}
7267  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Persona 4 on: December 06, 2008, 01:43:48 AM
I like P3, but I never got very far in it. Like, I got Fuuka. That's the farthest I am. I'd probably like P4 too, but eh. I'll wait till it price drops.
7268  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Game Journal MXVII: Crisis Atelier Spectral Moon III on: December 05, 2008, 08:44:39 PM
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Whoah. Did you actually finish by the Nanowrimo deadline?

Yeah, I hit 50k. Usually do. Not that hard.

Still, nothing this year like in 2006, where I hit 70k with an additional 20k of writing in the last two days.

Didn't finish my story though. Still working on it. I don't really like how it's going to end.
7269  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Game Journal MXVII: Crisis Atelier Spectral Moon III on: December 05, 2008, 03:30:31 AM
I actually wasn't hinting at anything. I was just, you know, being ominous.

Also there's always the option that the only think you get for Christmas is a decaying pumpkin. Or a bunch of gift cards for one of the millions of stores about to go bankrupt, apparently. That'd be really disappointing. One time I got an expired McDonald's coupon at a gift exchange which was doubly disappointing because I'm a vegetarian.

Proceeding in Chapter 5 of DQ4. I have high hopes. Also planning on playing Ifferimoon this weekend since I remembered it existing. Also Shining Force 2 sounds kind of interesting.

I'm sorry. Nanowrimo month goes into exam month. And then it's Christmas. I'm still not sure how to adjust to normal society.

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Oh goddamn Chapter 4 made me actually start ENJOYING the game and 5 just has things improve a lot. Hurray.

Also got to Avon in Dq7 but didn't do much there.

Might attempt Phantasy Star 2 again.

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Actually, just did this. I can see how Hugh has a fairly limited usage; however, Sagen is cheap as hell and does okay damage. Also, rimit seems to work enough to be fairly useful. I'm still utterly mystified as to why the spells are split up by element, as elemental weaknesses and strengths don't seem... to exist. Gra, Zan, and Foi, in any case, have different attack patters -- all enemies, a group, and a single enemy, respectively, but what the hell is Thu/Tsu for?

It's even more ambiguous in PS4, where it just seems like element == which character learns it, but there's still some weird overlap.

And then in PSI, of course, Protect and Rope are the two most useful spells in the entire game but this isn't really apparent unless you're a retarded inadvertent sequence breaker like me who thought that Medusa was GUARDING the Mirror Shield for some dingbat reason.

Oh, this is relevant because I also find DQ's elemental dividing of stuff to be a bit weird. I think elemental weakness/strength is taken into account there and it's just a matter of really poor feedback on who's weak to what. Bad feedback in RPGs is a rant in and of itself. Why am I still awake. Where is my shirt.
7270  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Memorable "NPC" moments. on: December 05, 2008, 03:20:23 AM
Dogmeat, in Fallout. I did everything I could to keep him alive the entire game and succeeded, somehow. Easy up till the final base. Then it's not.

I also use a mod in Morrowind that lets me turn freed slaves into party members. So I'd go around freeing slaves and raising an army. Good times.

Anyway what's the difference with this topic from an other storyline topic? Because there are some moments from Albion and Legend of Mana that come to mind but they're pretty storyline-based NPC stuff. Anyway.

Albion - You get sent on a sidequest to essential get some magical boner pills for the king of some village. I'm not making this up. And in the process you discover this mute christ figure Crazy oversexed German game designers.

Legend of Mana -
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<Matilda> Even though we're dead, I forgive you for everything you've done and still lov-- <Irwin> Go fuck yourself >:|
. Also anything involving Pokhiel or Putty because they were creepy as hell. Same for the Dudbears. I mean most of the NPCs were vaguely unnerving but those guys were just like "STOP LOOKING AT ME. EVIL."
7271  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Game Journal MXVII: Crisis Atelier Spectral Moon III on: December 03, 2008, 09:18:40 PM
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Biggest disappointment for me this year.

ahahaha.

Just you wait. There's still another month.

Trust me.

I did some DQ4 last night. The Mamon stuff. It's... improving! I still feel like the game doesn't have that natural of a progression to it. Not sure really how to describe it, but I guess I'll say that DQIV is being more rigidly strung along by its own storyline than some of the other games in the series which is giving it a kind of final fantasyish feel.

(In other words, in, say, Phantasy Star 1, the game progresses because you find out from an NPC or something to look for object X somewhere or to go somewhere and do something, whereas DQIV is progressing mostly because you're sprogging plot points. Still not to the level FF games tended to do it though).
7272  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Game Journal MXVII: Crisis Atelier Spectral Moon III on: December 02, 2008, 10:36:20 PM
Got a Fudgehog in Viva Pinata.

Tried playing PS2 and 3 for a bit, again, just to see if maybe my opinions had changed. They hadn't, really. PS3 seems to be the somewhat less unplayable of the two, but I can't see myself ever getting into either of them much. I mean PS1 has grind in the beginning but it's not the ridiculous start-stop-start-stop...

Speaking of which, got the Compass, now going to find a Dungeon Key for something. Also need to get Myau's second weapon.

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Also discovered that, yes, the needle gun for Odin IS a better idea.
7273  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Traditional Strategy & Action on: December 02, 2008, 11:23:31 AM
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Fire Emblem is only "hard" if you're OCD about having to keep all your characters alive. I can count on one hand how many times I've actually had Game Over in Fire Emblem. Of course, I haven't played that many of them.

Well, yeah. Finishing a map while only losing one character isn't difficult to do at all, but Nils or Pink Fairy Unicorn Princess Girl always had a tendancy to get exploded by an axebastard.

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The Arc the Lad games, especially the third and fourth game, had extremely small parties and maps. It's more akin to Popolocrois and Rhapsody than to Shining Force, IMO.

The huge maps in Shining Force sort of bugged me because half of the time I was spending millions of turngs moving through mountains or something, only a few tiles at a time, and then after several hours, I finally met the enemy.

This also happened in Fire emblem except it was doubly annoying because of the permanent death, so you spend three hours getting to the enemy, and then someone dies right off the bat and you have to restart.

(I'm aware that this is hyperbole but I really felt like there was a lot of dead time in both of these games).
7274  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Traditional Strategy & Action on: December 02, 2008, 02:05:44 AM
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Here is a tough question, outside of the Shining Force series, are there any Srpgs/Trpgs that have the adventure portion?

Arc the Lad 2 is mostly a traditional adventurey-rpg with SRPG battles.

FFT doesn't have towns you can explore but it's fairly open in what you can do between story battles.

Front Mission 1 also offers considerably more freedom than FM3 does (And I'm very much aware that the internet is awesome and FM3 adds in all sorts of new skills and features. I just like FM1 a whole hell of a lot more even if there's no concept of balance in regards to taking one mech part over another since there's a rigidly linear progression of stats). I mean, still linear and no explorable towns, but you could go back and forth and find a few hidden characters.

Still, yeah. Arc 2 is the closest by far unless you want to go into the PC strategy RPG category in which case you have Jagged alliance 2, which has fully explorable towns and things. Can't think of anything else on the PC front, though, unless you want to start including any PC game with a tactical battle system, which doesn't really work since most of them don't have very strategically-oriented gameplay in that sense.

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Some qualify the Arc games as SRPGs, but since the battlesystem is so dumbed down, some people prefer not to.

Dumbed down in what sense? They're not any less complex than the shining force games were. It's fairly easy, but again, so was shining force.

Going out on a limb and saying that most strategy RPGs don't really provide a lot of strategic depth. In regards to like, fFT, there were a lot of cases where you'd get one Awesome Guest Character or some excellently general purpose skill and could get by using nothing but that. Fire Emblem is more difficult but it annoys the hell out of me because character death is permanent (I only played the first US GBA one, though. I thought it was kind of unbalanced).

Biggest problem with SRPGs, I find, is that you tend to, very quickly, get a small core group of characters that are vastly more powerful than everyone else, rendering most of the other characters useless and reducing strategic... depth? variety? This is usually just a result of the levelling system. Characters that get the kills get more XP. More powerful characters get more kills. It's kind of a positive feedback loop in that sense unless you're willing to put up with the tedium of levelling up lagging characters (I'm not willing to do this).

Similar, I should mention that JA2 has the same annoying endless reload syndrome from Fire Emblem by nature of every character being unique. You can also get stuck in a loop where it costs too much to maintain your mercenary forces and the game gets kind of unwinnable. Which is why I like the x-com games more, but no explorable towns there (except in Apocalypse, sort of).
7275  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Game Journal MXVII: Crisis Atelier Spectral Moon III on: December 01, 2008, 10:01:26 PM
Thinking of going back to one of my FFL2 games since it's honestly my favorite Square game ever (and one of my favorite games ever). I have this one party that robot + three monsters and it's pretty entertaining. Weapons running out is a non-issue for the robot so I get to stuff whore, and the three monsters give it a really SMTish feel.

Tried playing pokemon pearl for a bit. Text speed is way too slow even on the fastest setting so I don't think I'll be returning to this any time.

Got a shard I missed in DQ7.
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