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7441  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: April 14, 2009, 02:09:56 AM
Messed around in Chrono Cross for a bit, discovering that I don't know how to consistently get random stat-ups from battles with normal enemies. Um... damn. Anyway, I need to go do the Island of the Damned stuff, I guess.

Also played Romancing Saga: Minstrel Song for like, an hour, and realized that I have no idea how to play it and that it has like a gazillion more gameplay systems than unlimited saga. Doing the water nymph quest right now. Got the Eres Amulet.

How the bloody hell do you restore BP :< It sounds like it has a restoring rate. I'm used to SGF where you just have a flat WP rate affected by proficiency, and usaga where you just have a flat HP and DP rate (and HP drain from weapons is a complete non-issue). RS throws in LP costs and BP costs and DP costs, and they all have variable rates.

Also there's all that stuff where your character's dominant 'religion' comes into play. I think this and Metal Saga are probably the two JRPGs whose systems I understand the least (although apparently Metal Saga has a higher number of undocumented quests, easter eggs, and features.)

Also there's that whole thing where your event counter effects quests availability and you have to actually find quest givers whereas in like, saga frontier you've pretty much got your quest givers in obvious locations and unlimited saga is like MENU. PICK QUEST. KILL SHIT.

Anyway, reflecting on something I noticed with SGF. It's kind of got this whole, uh... Law of Miyamoto thing going on, in the sense that you can generally go to any area, but what happens there depends on your main character. That's not EXACTLY the Law of Miyamoto, I know, but it still fits the idea of showing the player something before it's necessary relevant to them. Although the effect's a bit diminished considering that some places like the Bio Lab WERE going to be relevant to quests and, uh, aren't.
7442  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Need Help Picking my next DS RPG Purchase on: April 13, 2009, 11:43:10 PM
Yeah... I didn't particularly care for TWEWY, either. I'm not exactly sold on the whole "Japanese Teen Sim" concept. It seems to be a new trend. I got a bit of fun out of Persona 4 (though after about 30 hours it just started feeling repeatitive), but I liked it dispite the dippy pop-culture bullshit. TWEWY just seems like blatent pandering.


go stuff almonds up your nose and record a youtube video of yourself singing good vibrations.


Dark Spire looks awesome, but I dunno if I REALLY need another dungeon crawl right now, especially since I couldn't get into Etrian Odyssey for some really, really bizarre reason even though it meshes with my tastes in every way imaginable. I think it was the lack of quick save in dungeons, unless you CAN quick-save in dungeons and FOEs.

Atlus also has that new strategy game thingum coming out. The SMT one. I don't know much about that side branch, but it's SMT, so I have faith.

As far as games that are currently out, I think I like DQ5 and TWEWY the most although I never got particularly far in either. I do think that more money/better drops is a good enough reason to play TWEWY on harder settings because the drops are absolute trash otherwise and you're not going to have any money for anything. Neku gets less angsty as it goes on. I never had a problem with the stylus controls, though I did suck at the dual screen thing.

DQ5 I haven't played lately because I got it when I was like, really f'ing sick, or rather just getting over it, so playing it's like... akward memories. Compared to DQ4, though, it's been a lot better. Nicer looking somehow, for one thing, and the story is excellent, partially because the characters are a bit more fleshed out thanks to Square not being bastards and axing party chat (the bastards). The monster-collecting aspect also adds a level of choice and non-linearity to party development that DQIV was sort of lacking (Progression-wise, Chapter 5 of DQIV is quite non-linear, but not really without guidance. It's more like if you need to grind, instead of walking in circles, you can go to some optional dungeon or whatever, which is actually a lot of fun and beats regular grinding).

(I haven't played Tierkreis, but I will say it's the only Suik that really looks that interesting to me. I'm a bad RPGer :<<<)

(I also thought Contact was cool as hell but nobody else did so nevermind).

(FF3 is also kind of neat but like every FF it's got that LOL WHAT IS A BALANCE problem).

(There's also that FM remake which I suck at and was panning for being too easy until I hit a difficult mission. It's a bit more intersting than 3 because only missiles are long ranged so you can't just stand around and shoot at eachother from across the map. Also some goddamn wonderful spritework).

College degrees dont mean much lately when it comes to the job market >.>

I'm a janitor in the summer. It sucks but it pays good and doesn't require any sort of education. The best part is when you're scraping gum and cleaning desks because you don't even have to talk to people, and on break, I just find some teacher's room with a nice sofa and pass out for half an hour (Janitors get long breaks ^_^).

The worst part honestly is the way that during like, June to mid July, every day is a new supercell and you're freaking the fuck out about getting eaten by a tornado. Also eating lunch in the bus garage, which smells like a bus garage. Also vacuuming the wood shop and vacuuming out univents. and vacuuming up like, dead mice in the closets where nobody goes.

Also all of my coworkers thinking Obama is a Muslim.
7443  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: April 13, 2009, 09:15:10 PM
I could recommend various other western RPGs that'd be better to start with than Oblivion, honestly. Partially because I'm not that big on it, partially because I'm not that big on Bethesda, and mostly because I don't think Bethesda's particular mo-dus-op-perandi is particularly indicative of the genre as a whole.

(For full effect pronounce partially as goofy as possible)

Maybe give Quest for Glory 2 VGA a shot. That's freeware, too. Tricker to track down and not freeware, Wizardry 8 is wonderful. Finally there's Ultima 7, which is also pay, and probably only on eBay at this point. All three of these maintain a level of non-linearity and good amount of choice, but are also a lot more story-oriented than Oblivion, and have gameplay mechanics that I feel are a lot more, eh, in line with the norms of WRPGs.

Mass Effect might be good for what you want. I always complain about how the dialogue looks really dumb in all the videos of I see on youchube, but the gameplay itself sounds pretty neat.
7444  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: April 13, 2009, 04:25:16 PM
You'd be much better served by figuring out where your weak link was and fixing it than in trying to get multiple people to have the move.

Well, Liza and Fei-on both have DSC. My main weakness is that I was lacking in buff and healing spells and HP in general, partially because I never knew such things existed. All of the spells I should need are ones I can *buy* so it's mostly just getting the money for them and then wandering around in the Bio Lab till I get my JP up. Oh, and my equipment sucked because I forgot where the shops were.

I really don't mind grinding in SGF because you get better stats every battle more or less.

Partially I don't want to mess with the Mystics because, while Zozma and White Rose have potential, I really, really do not understand their growth system. Although it does give me something to mess with when i play as a different character (I thought there wasn't a lot of gameplay variety between characters in RS3 I guess?).

Anyway since Eusis mentioned OoT, that's a game I really liked, but the controls always felt... lacking to me. I think I got up to the fire temple, at which point I quit playing because I was having trouble doing parts of it because of the controls.
7445  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Community Photo Thread: 2007 Edition on: April 13, 2009, 04:12:24 PM
Heeey what's so illegal about your tree? Nice tree though.

Anyway since someone else posted plant pictures...

7446  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: April 12, 2009, 10:01:34 PM
Saga frontier:

Going into Emelia's last boss. Got raped. Reverted to earlier save. Trying to decide if I should get Liza the DSC, so I can have both her and Fei-on DSCing the shit out of shit, or if I should build up a mystic.
7447  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The most hours you've logged into a game? on: April 11, 2009, 11:17:25 PM
Oh. I think the most time I spent on a game that I actually beat was Xenogears at like 60 some hours.
7448  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPG Annoyances/Pet Peeves on: April 11, 2009, 08:12:20 PM
Addendum to comment about how RPGs shouldn't force grinding.

RPGs should not have forced grinding.

RPGs should have fun enough battle systems that the player is willing to do battles enough anyway so that the former issue isn't a problem.
7449  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Professor Layton type games in 3d on: April 09, 2009, 02:43:59 PM
Myst 4 isn't on the DS. And Myst 1 DS is supposed to be a really awful port.

But uh yeah there are a lot of 3D point and click adventure games on the PC. And most of them suck, too, which is why the genre is mostly dead now.
7450  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: April 09, 2009, 12:40:10 AM
saga frontier:

emilia, last trinity base mission, second to last mission in general. gonna run around in the base and grind a bit because oddly i enjoy doing that.

unlimited saga:

finished mirror table quest, did three keys quest. getting crappy growth panels. need to do harder quests.


got my monster some decent meat and he became a TORTOISE. He has the same attack power but 2x defense 2x.

fukken want to play grandia but that's ELSEHWERE.

bought cacti from the internet.

studied some SDL tutorials and gamestate machine stuff. will try implementing tomorrow.

pushed wizardry 8 onto my stack of games that I'm *really intending to play* right now before may hits and I stop playing RPGs in favor of zork.
7451  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Molyneux: Best story ever will come from a game on: April 08, 2009, 01:39:11 AM
Remember when Molyneux used to not suck?

Why can't you make Magic Carpet 3 or another Syndicate game you stupid bastard.

Then again if he did they'd just end up like Theme Park world so let me rephrase that.

why can't you stop being a stupid bastard you stupid bastard?
7452  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: April 08, 2009, 01:36:19 AM
unlimited saga -

* Picked Ruby's creepy younger brother.
* Started one of the 7 Wonder's Quests.
* Unlocked Reverse Delta for Mordeus.
* The other dude in my party that loses LP like a motherfucker from everything continues to be a total mook.
* Also, Mordeus has Quick-Fix L3 which is, uh, good, because the reel for that has a good amount of green on it, and tends to slide in your favor a lot.
7453  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: April 07, 2009, 01:47:32 AM
Went back and beat the quest I was having trouble with. Got kind of crappy skill panels because I rushed through it without fighting much and also had everyone using non-standard skills so I could save my weapons for the boss. However, I did get diplomacy L3 for Kurt which is... a lot more useful than I realized.

It would also appear that I'm quite near the end of emelia's quest in sgf1. Perhaps I will finish that and... play Riki or something.
7454  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: April 06, 2009, 08:36:38 PM
unlimited saga: Beat the mission I was stuck on. Apparently the victory condition is just defeating a set number of enemies (like the quest text implied X|) and the FAQ was wrong. Then I did some other quest for like, two hours and lost. I'm getting sabretigers as regular enemies now, which is *bad*. However, the puzzle in this quest involved putting some seashells on a grid to open a door. Now that I know how to arrange them, I'm not going to get killed by backtracking. I probably wouldn't have anyways if I'd have thought to collect a bunch of shells all at once instead of just 2 or 3 at a time. Oh well. My fault.
7455  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The most hours you've logged into a game? on: April 06, 2009, 06:25:19 PM
The clock maxed out at 99:59 so I'm estimating I went to 110.  (I almost went to eleven!)

I see what you did there and my answer is no.

(If that wasn't intentional then it's even funnier).

Probably SMT:N or ToS, with maybe around 70 hours each? I never finished either though.
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