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7471  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Persona 3 on: December 25, 2007, 08:39:50 PM
Yeah the intro part sort of is kind of lame.
7472  Media / Single-Player RPGs / FF3 DS. on: December 25, 2007, 01:48:44 PM
Okay. Started playing FF3 on the NES a bit recently and found it pretty nifty and, for that matter, a lot more DQish than FFish if that makes any sense. anyway, I was thinking of getting the remake, but I was wondering -- Anyone have any good screenshots of the areas/dungeons/towns (everything I see seems to be of the battle system), and did they rebalance the class system at all to deal with some of the more useless classes?
7473  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Tales of Vesperia on: December 25, 2007, 02:52:43 AM
I remember when Tales of Legendia came out and it was right on the heels of the Symphonia fungasm and all of the reviewers were pretty much WTF? That being said, I didn't like Phantasia because it's slow as hell and there are way too many random encounters and I think I'm also just going to shuffle it under "I have hang-ups with games that look like action-rpgs but really aren't*" and say that I think the series (mind, I've only played Phantasia, Eternia, and Symphonia) has made massive strides since.

Also, yes, comparing Symphonia to Dragon Warrior is pretty apt. And the game kept the dungeons interesting with that ringamabob and enemies visible on the maps.

Except I've never really found out what cooking is for in the series :( I mean, yes, healing, but how is it more useful than just using gels?

* Namely, you know how in Eternia** and Symphonia, when you press the attack button, your character swings their weapon, and moving around a lot is actually important, whereas in Phantasia it's more like Star Ocean 2, wherein you just hit the attack button and your characters sort of run up and do their thing automatically and then run back? Yeah. I don't really dig that.

** I mean after you visit the dojo. Not by default obviously.

(shut up, Fayt.)

SO3 :(
7474  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Final Fantasy IV DS on: December 25, 2007, 01:04:57 AM
When I first got FFIV it was for the PSX and that's what I've been playing recently. Anyway, my Lunar and FFIV saves are on the same, well, card. I'm not sure why other people aren't seeing the connection here. But like, every time I open up the card viewer under the bios, I see the little sprite of Alex waddling near the Redwing Airship and, well... it's not hard to imagine him gazing longilly at it, thinking about how he wants to be an air pirate, and waiting for the day when a handsome, vested man and his furry companion would swoop in and make him their catamite...

So yes, in regards to making Cecil a squeaky-voiced teenager, I think it's obvious that they had to avoid the pedaresty issues that've cropped up later on in the series. Well, that and some people might read about the romance between Edge and Rydia and not know that there's some crazy David Lynch Emmeralda stuff goin' on and start demanding things.
7475  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Final Fantasy IV DS on: December 24, 2007, 10:37:52 PM
Some people complain about the loss of spells going from Lunar to the Lunar Remake editions. Personally? The other improvements make up for it and the spells that were lost were either redundant or redundant.

I can't actually tell if the battle system in Lunar: TSSSC was actually changed from the first game as far as monsters and characters moving around goes, but it doesn't seem as if range actually mattered as much in the original game?
7476  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Steambot chronicles on: December 24, 2007, 10:34:50 PM
It's an RPG in the sense that you can actually roleplay a fair bit in it and that it's somewhat stat-based. It's not an RPG in that you don't level up.
7477  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Games of the Year on: December 24, 2007, 01:38:39 AM
For the five or so hours I played Odin Sphere, I can't remember a single song. Then again, for that matter, I can't remember a single song from the 20 some hours I played FFXII, and I wasn't even aware VS actually had music and not just ambient sounds until someone gave me a torrent for the soundtrack, so I guess I'm just some sort of plebe with massive plebeian tastes.

Anyway, I haven't played very many videogames as a whole this year, given that the current consoles cost too damn much and my PC is outdated, but here are the games that were released this year that I remember playing:

Rogue Galaxy
Odin Sphere
Dwarf Fortress: Version Next!
Persona 3
Trilby: The Art of Theft

So, of those, I couldn't get into Rogue Galaxy, I thought Odin Sphere was stupid and I have no idea why people are obsessing over it other than being really pretty, I think Dwarf Fortress is probably the best game in existence, I think Persona 3 is probably the best-designed PS2 game, and I'm not particularly far in Trilby but it seems fine enough.

Old RPGs that I've really enjoyed playing for the first timethis year, though? PRetty much the entire DQ series, but mostly 7 and 8, and also SoulBlazer and Brave Fencer Musashi.
7478  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Tales of Vesperia on: December 22, 2007, 11:47:05 PM
I thought tales of rebirth looked interesting. Or whatever the one with the tiger people in it was. Because I'm a goddamn furry.

In any case, I wanna play Abyss when it gets cheaper. It has some things that sound really interesting I guess. Like the fluctuating prices thing.

I like Tales of Symphonia because it had a really actiony battle system and lots of little sidequests and things. I also hear Abyss continues that.
7479  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Final Fantasy IV DS on: December 22, 2007, 10:54:15 PM
I am going to be numbering every point I make because I have a headache and I don't feel like thinking.

MeshGearFox wrote:
1) Lunar 1 and 2 were far, far more remake than port.

In what respects? Grandia especially, seemed a straight port.

1) Grandia is not Lunar 1. Grandia is not Lunar 2. Grandia IS a straight port of the Saturn game.

2) Lunar: The Silver Star Story Complete and the PSX version of Lunar 2 ARE ports. Of Saturn games.

3) The saturn Lunar games (and by extension, the PSX ports) are remakes of the original Sega CD lunar games.

4) The original Sega CD Lunar games had a different battle system, different spells, different dungeons, and generally, somewhat different gameplay all around. They also looked worse.

5) If you take a game, port it, but in the the process change the graphics and the gameplay, that's usually considered a remake. Sometimes, even a graphical facelift is enough for a game to be called a remake. In the case of TSSSC, though, as I said, spells were changed, how characters played was changed, the battle system was changed, which dungeons were present was changed, what dungeons looked like was change, and monsters were now visible on the map.

MeshGearFox wrote:
2) FFIV's gameplay hasn't really aged well.

That's subjective. [/quote]

6) Yes, it is, but...

7) FFIV had Edward who was arguably useless by design, and Tellah, whom I never found a practical use for because most of his spells were either too weak or too expensive.

8) Useless characters (and for that matter, skills and classes) are signs of *bad system design.*

9) The game does have several longish, non-interactive moments, which is actually a problem for the series as a whole, really. While it's a minor point, non-interactive bits are not gameplay and in that sense, *bad* gameplay.

10) This is more subjective, but I haven't found a great deal of strategic depth or things I would consider particularly *active* bits of gameplay.

Like when Kingdom Hearts came out?

11) I do not know how KH was recieved because I did not care about the game and still don't because I really don't like Disney.

12) However, every time a new FF game comes out the 'fans' will end up complaining endlessly about how they changed things. Notably, how it deviates from the 'classic formula.'

13) This classic formula usually consists of gameplay elements present in the previous game that aren't necessarily representative of the series as a whole.

14) Or to quote some PC Gamer article I read, the newest game in the series is always the worst, until the next game comes out, in which case the now second-newest game is the best.

15) But I digress.
7480  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Final Fantasy IV DS on: December 22, 2007, 04:57:02 PM
1) Lunar 1 and 2 were far, far more remake than port.

2) FFIV's gameplay hasn't really aged well.

3) If Square made something new and innovative, everyone would bitch about them not staying true to their roots or something retarded like that.
7481  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Hydlide on: December 22, 2007, 12:20:53 AM
Virtual Hyldie looks really, really stupid.
7482  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Final Fantasy IV DS on: December 21, 2007, 01:09:37 PM
Does the map completion thing make sense, though, or is it that dumb wallhugging and then still missing 5% thing like in So3?
7483  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Steambot chronicles on: December 21, 2007, 01:06:52 PM
I like what I played and the mechanics seem really solid ('cept for how your trotmobile could run out of fuel. Eerrrrr), but I had a hard time really getting/staying into it. It's not exactly freeform, but it has a lot of sandboxy stuff in it, and plenty of really cool elements (Hunger/eating, dress your character up in silly outfits, scream randomly at certain characters, salute everyone like some goddamn psycho, busking, Elite-esque trading, fossil hunting, painting your robot, picking up lamppost and beating people with them). I ended up liking Metal Saga, another *vaugely* similar game released at roughly the same time, more.

Your walktank in SC controls like a katamari, btw, but I like this. Some people don't. If you don't know how a Katamari controls, then you shan't be playing any other games until you do.
7484  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Final Fantasy IV DS on: December 20, 2007, 11:09:32 PM
Balls are rather soft and squishy which is why it hurts when you get kicked in them. Or get infections in them. I HAVE STORIES.

Anyway, this'll sound goofy, but I liked the rather sparse and clear visual style FFIV had. Simple, maybe? Yes. FFIV's GBA remake lost that. I know the DS version is 3D, but does it maintain a similar sort of... minimalism?
7485  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Persona 4 next year? on: December 20, 2007, 11:07:58 PM
If they don't we can all cut off our middle fingers and mail them to atlus.

For that matter, let's do that to the guy that decided that Mother 3 didn't get a US release!
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