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7486  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The sacred battle screen... or "why is it sacred"? on: March 25, 2009, 07:40:49 PM
FFXII is basically ATB where you can move around, yeah. In a big sense it's pretty similar to what CT did. Only you can run around.
7487  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Don't let your kids paint your house. on: March 25, 2009, 05:41:15 PM
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Rory’s mum Clare, 49, said: “We don’t want any more children."

NOT AFTER THAT LOL
7488  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The sacred battle screen... or "why is it sacred"? on: March 25, 2009, 05:39:40 PM
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The sacred battle screen... or "why is it sacred"?

Because it been around for a hell of a long time.

In all seriousness, you're likely to have a load wait even if the battle system is on-map, unless it's an action RPG or whatever FFXII did. And the shatter effect replaces a load bar.

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Programmers would save themselves hours of time

That battle screen is just an interface. Interfaces do not take that long to program. They take forever to design, but you're still going to have a battle interface even if it's not a seperate battle screen.

Also, your average 16-bit RPG didn't have any longer for a battle load-in or load-out than CT did. Yes, you switched screens in FFIV. And in CT you had a few seconds where everyone drew there weapons.

You could also get the same effect as CT by taking a temporary screencap, minus character and enemy sprites, of the current dungeon/town/wherever, load up a seperate battle screen, and then use that screencap as the background. Actually, I think that's how you emulate it in RPGMaker. Of course, if it's a DS or SNES game, you'd also want gratuitous mode 7 effects.

cause it's da seventh goddamn mode and u know dat turns u on

Unless it's like Tales of the Abyss where battles take forever to load it's kind of not an issue, at least from the reasons you're describing it.

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Programmers would save themselves hours of time, and fans would have less to complain about if they just did away with the whole battle screen all together. To date, only ONE turn-based RPG has ventured to do this, over a decade ago, and it's been praised ever since: Chrono Trigger.

Septerra Core, Ultima 6, Fallout, Fallout 2, Arcanum, might and magic 3-5, might and magic 6-8 if you count their optional turn-based thing, Wizardry 8, arguably Phantasy Star 1 while you're in the dungeons, since it just overlays the enemies on top of the current view, Arc the Lad 2, probably the other arc the lads (and not the first one since there aren't areas you can walk around in), The Spirit Engine, the Avernum series (seperate battle maps if you're on the overworld, mind, for obvious reason), every roguelike ever (Except that crappy one that starts with an E or an L or something, and it's very yellow looking), arguably any first person RPG that behaves like PS1, actually...

* loads up RPGFan review pages *

Shadowrun on the SNES, Drakken, probably more that I don't feel like looking for right now...

Although the list is shorter if you remove games that let you move around in battle, and if that's the case, I'm going to say that having a seperate screen is probably the most appropriate design if your battle system just consists of picking menus from an option. And really, the fact that battles took place on the map in CT, instead of in a seperate screen, was more of a purely aesthetic thing with a very minimal affect on the gameplay.

In general the main reason for having a seperate screen is that, if your battle system uses a drastically different interface from the rest of your game, like most of the games using a seperate screen do, then you really don't want to overload your initial context. and in most JRPGs, that battle system and the rest of the game are kept pretty seperate.
7489  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 25, 2009, 12:25:57 AM
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I'll be honest.

I didn't read any of Mesh's response.

Ok.
7490  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: March 24, 2009, 09:00:42 PM
Oddworld 2pack was like, 3.75 on steam this weekend so I bought that. Just go all the mudokons on the first stage. I'm really liking this. Sort of like out of this world or flashback, obviously, but the level of interaction with the environment is more like Exile or Spelunky.

I do feel like playing some sort of JRPG though I guess. Probably SaGa Frontier, maybe. I don't know.
7491  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 24, 2009, 08:46:28 PM
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UH OH.

SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET DISAGREES WITH SOMEONE ELSE.

Grow up.

If it wasn't for pointless arguments over things that didn't really matter then we wouldn't have any need for internet forums anyway and we could all go back to our dead-end jobs and loveless marriages and meth addictions, or maybe that's just me. In any case I'm out of meth and dead hookers, so I think I'll answer Ramza's question.

Also, what the hell, I'm going to say spoiler warnings right up, here, so I don't have to embed the entire post in code tags, because that would be kind of obnoxious. although if anyone objects I'll go back and edit it.

Oh, and please keep in mind that this might take awhile because I can't really name five RPG characters in general off the top of my head.

Just for the sake of being easy here, I think I'll START with Xenogears because there actually were other characters in that game that I... well, not necessarily liked, but found... to have more depth.

Also, a quick comment on depth. Fei might be considered deep in the sense that he is "feature rich" or something. Like, he's got a mental illness, he's his own dad and about twenty other characters, he accidentally killed his mom, and so on and so forth. In this sense I guess he IS deep, but he doesn't seem well developed, or well rounded, or... well, for every aspect of him there is, it felt like there was no overarching gestalt to his personality. He wasn't more or less than the sum of his parts. He just WAS his composite parts. I don't really consider what Fei had to actually be depth.

So, I'm not necessarily saying these characters are deeper than Fei, I guess. I don't really know how well I even remember the game. Maybe I am wrong. Especially with the other XG characters that I kind of found more interesting.

Billy, from Xenogears. He actually had a pretty consistent personality which was, more or less, based around him constantly lying to himself. Sure, the most blatant example of this is how he's kind of in the Ethos' pocket. And I don't think anyone honestly believed that he only CONSIDERED pimping himself out to get money to support his sister. But the scene that struck me the most -- and the one that went kind of overlooked by a lot of people -- is when he's talking about how his parent was killed by the Wels. Except, and I can't remember how the scene played out exactly, it was incredibly apparent even then that Stone killed his parents.

I don't know. Maybe he wasn't really well developed after that. Then I guessed I'd have to lump him in the same boat with Fei.

I'll come up with more later.
7492  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 24, 2009, 06:02:35 PM
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Fei Fong Wong is still just about the deepest game character ever.

No he's not. He's pretty generic except for his BS mental illness. He doesn't really even have much of a personality. I mean literally it's like they just glued a bunch of emotional issues onto any stock hero because they didn't know where to take the game.

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I think many gamers out there still hold Xenogears in higher esteem than the Xenosaga trilogy

That's because Xenosaga took all of the stuff that sucked from Xenogears and removed all of the stuff that didn't suck :(
7493  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Sands of Destruction on: March 24, 2009, 05:52:56 PM
I'm not talking shit about Ian Gillian. I'm talking shit about that song in particular.
7494  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Sands of Destruction on: March 24, 2009, 12:54:10 AM
PM liked the Blue Dragon boss battle music so I mean take that as you will.
7495  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPG Annoyances/Pet Peeves on: March 23, 2009, 04:12:22 PM
Overly long development cycles.
7496  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 22, 2009, 09:00:55 PM
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Anyway Citan had his reasons. Fei and his group was still pretty innocent to the reality of their world, a rude shock is the best way to snap him up. However thats just one reason, requires a lengthy essay which i lack the time these days to bother. not to mention my memory of the game is hazy. :/

Maybe Citan has his reasons.

Maybe it was just a dick move.

Or maybe it was just kind of poorly written, like most of the game.
7497  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Avalon Code. on: March 22, 2009, 02:20:59 AM
This sounds pretty interesting and it combines my two favorite things -- Action RPGs and genetic engineering -- but I haven't seen any reviews other than the IGN one. Have any actual human people played this yet, and what do you think of it?
7498  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPG Annoyances/Pet Peeves on: March 22, 2009, 12:11:48 AM
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Super Mario Bros 2

It was Doki Doki Panic and a hell of a lot better than the real SMB2 goddammit.

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Adding to mine:
Sidequests that open up in old areas progressively over the course of time, and which you can't locate intuitively (i.e., every once in a while you have to go back and talk to EVERY person in EVERY town to make sure you aren't missing a sidequest).  I hate this.  It forces you to follow a guide word for word, and I don't think a player should have to do that just to experience all the game content.

Do you have any examples of this?
7499  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenogears made me puke (Soylent stufffff) on: March 21, 2009, 11:50:59 PM
My response was less puke and more "Well that was another goofy sci-fi reference."

I thought the cornea stealing part was nasty.


Also the color scheme in the final dungeon made me have a seizure.

Also wait clinical anxiety at 14.

Good god, I was 15, a freshman in highschool, whatevs, when i got around to actually finishing highschool. Er. Finishing Xenogears. Whatever. And like, this was during the LONGEST FUCKBAT WINTER EVER and every night I was just coming home and freaking out about death.

And then we watched a video on Ebola in bio class, and somehow this is why I can never eat at Olive Garden again.
7500  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Meatballs! on: March 20, 2009, 07:31:48 PM
Wow.

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I dunno, I can smash up some shit with a hammer while they cook...

I read that as "I smash up shit like a hammer with my cock."

Unfortunately you didn't say that. I was about to start worshiping you.

More out of context quotes!

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My mom wraps the Christmas turkey every year in two pounds of bacon and man
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