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7516  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Odin Sphere on: July 05, 2008, 11:00:03 AM
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I loved Odin Sphere, but it appears I'm in the minority.


For fuck's sake, the HATERS used to be in the minority. Can't the RPG community collectively make up its mind about something? You guys flip-flop more than those polecats up in Washington.

Anyway, the reason I mentioned legend of mana and river city ransom is that they're both essentially beat 'em ups. Except they also both have a lot of exploration in them. I know. Totally different generations. Well, what about the pseudo-sequel that RCR got -- Technos Samurai?

I mean, let's compare Super Metroid to a lot of other sidescrollers from the era. I'm not saying that exploration like that is necessarily essential, but I'd be pretty hard pressed to find someone who didn't think it really improved things.

I know that exploration is sort of rare in beat 'em up games, like that, but Final Fight was years ago and I think it's time we move on. Odin Sphere had cooking and plant-growing, so it's nice to see it playing with new ideas in THAT sense. It just felt like it stopped half-way, which is what I guess annoyed me the most.

(Also the beat'emup mechanics Odin Sphere had were sort of substandard in other regards, I guess, although I don't really play THAT many beat 'em ups so I can't really clearly explain what I MEAN, but I will say that Golden Axe let you ride dragons, and had a pseudo-3D plane of motion).
7517  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Is Arc The Lad End of Darkness worth $5? on: July 05, 2008, 01:38:11 AM
How's arc the lad 3 supposed to be, anyway? People seemed to like it less than 2, but I can't recall if they had valid reasons or if it was just stupid crap.
7518  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Is Arc The Lad End of Darkness worth $5? on: July 05, 2008, 12:00:02 AM
Oh crap. I bought Raw danger** at value city but never started it*.

* along with the first game in that series and Castle Shikigami 2. I've played CS2 the most. Translation aside, it's pretty sweet. The little bit I played of Damage Report was pretty neat, though.

** This does have some RPG elements*** to it, if I recall though. You can make clothes and stuff, and cook.

*** ALTHOUGH if you're into survival RPGS, a single version of the unreal world is only 5 dollars to register, I believe.

**** End of Darkness isn't supposed to be anything***** like Twilight of the SPirits by the way.

***** Though what's his face got me thinking I should try dawn of mana sometime so maybe EoD's not so bad.
7519  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Odin Sphere on: July 04, 2008, 11:09:44 PM
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Wow. I thought I was the only one who felt that way towards OS.


No, I did too. It got a bit funner when I got past Gwendolyn because Bunnydude can do that spinny, flying attack

Basically, things I disliked:

* Slowdown. Not really that bad though.

* Dialogue. Everyone said it was great and Shakespearean. I thought it was really pretentious and sounded like it was trying too hard to be Shakespearean*.

* Repetitive levels. Not just in the sense that ever character has the same levels and level layouts, but in the sense that every node is just a circle, some of the nodes in the level are more or less identicle, and two areas have the exact same "You lose HP every couple of seconds" gimmick.

* A few things with the graphics bugged me. The art itself was beautiful, don't get me wrong -- but the seven layers of parallax made it a very visually confusing title, and the field of view was so TINY that I spent most of the game just looking at the minimap since most of the enemies came at you from off screen and you couldn't really see much.

* Also, something about the gameplay mechanics seemed sort of unfair. The charge bar thing didn't bug me. It was something like, er... enemies could knock you back really easily, but it was impossible for you to knock them back?

So, yeah, the game is similar in some regards to two OTHER games I really liked a lot -- Legend of Mana and River City Ransom (DX). Laundry list of my least favorite things about both games would be... I don't know. Legend of Mana was too easy and had stupid partner AI, but the repetitive dungeons and unavoidable fights bugged me the most, and Odin Sphere has those. And uh... Well, who the fuck am I kidding. RCR is perfect. So I guess I'll just say that Odin Sphere really reminded me of LoM but without all of the things I liked and with my biggest problems magnified a bunch. And it also had the potential to be the next RCR but it fell short making it even MORE painful.

* Russian has destroyed my spelling :(
7520  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Persona 4 on: July 04, 2008, 11:05:12 PM
I still can't figure out why I couldn't get into Persona 2 much :( And that bugs me because I really, really want to get into Persona 2 :(
7521  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Is Arc The Lad End of Darkness worth $5? on: July 04, 2008, 10:56:25 PM
I heard it's really bad. Apparently it's just Twilight of the Spirits (never played) converted into a mediocre action RPG or something. Also Twilight of the Spirits should be around 3 bucks and is supposed to be much better.

If you don't have ARc the Lad collection, get that instead. I can't imagine it being that cheap now, though.
7522  Media / Single-Player RPGs / "Countdown Site" = Chrono Trigger DS? remake, new on: July 04, 2008, 01:41:51 PM
I'm not so concered about the main tales games. There aren't really THAT many of those. It's the fact they release something like 20 different side games a year. That's just bizarre.

BTW still sort of interestedin Tales of Rebirth :(
7523  Media / Single-Player RPGs / "Countdown Site" = Chrono Trigger DS? remake, new on: July 04, 2008, 10:48:26 AM
Tales of Shitcock would be awesome. It'd be like every fan retranslation ever. You like, walk into town, and there's this ten year old, and he's all "FUCKDAMN YOU CHOMPERS MALONE" and then you go on a quest to retrieve the Mystical Helltits from Chompers Malone (they're a component of the Mystical Shitcock), who also swears like a drunken sailor (and is also a ten year old) (but a robotic one).
7524  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Persona 4 on: July 03, 2008, 11:35:50 PM
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Yeah, I thought Cielo Mist was a parody of Sierra's Mist, since I played P# before DDS.


No, that was Cyan. Sierra was behind Robert William's... stuff.

I heard somewhere that all of the SMT worlds are like, floating in that Amala Network thing or something.

Also, Devil Summoner 3, at least, seems to have some sort of connection to... one of the Persona games, as there's a Kuzunoha Detective Agency in that too, I believe.

Though, your demon buddy in Raido was a lot similarer to a Persona in some ways, and I seem to recall something a bit dark hourish, too? I haven't played that game in ages and I sort of want to now, although I'm going to limit myself to... eh, let's say Star Ocean 2, Saga Frontier 2, and Metal Saga for awhile.

See, I've got this painting job this summer, so I'm working full time, painting my old highschool. So not a lot of time in the day, but I mostly game in the evenings so no big deal. Except the other problem's been the crappy weather, meaning... well, power outage while saving to a memory card is USUALLY bad. That and the whole "Storm sirens could go off at any moment and I'll have to carry four dogs down into the basement, which isn't as easy as it sounds, while inviting over neighbors that don't have basements" thing not being very condusive to gaming.

Anyway, I'm sure Persona 4 will be great. I'm just hoping that if, well, there's a director's cut version, we get it from the beginning, and not a few months later. Although, honestly, Episode Aegis just never sounded that interesting to me, and Persona 3 was easily one of the content packededest games ever so it's not like it really NEEDED an expansion pack. I mean, not that SMT: Nocturne did either, I guess, but I don't know, the lack of the amala stuff and the fiends would just feel sort of wrong to me. I like the hell out of Daisoujou, even if he was sort of unbalanced (and by unbalanced I mean fucking awesome). I wanna see him in a new SMT game.

Hey, maybe they'll do some new Revelations games for the DS -- or port the old SNES ones over --, or some new Devil Children games, only make them good, unlike the GBA ones we got (I heard Fire and Ice book were good. It's not that Light and Dark were BAD. they just weren't as good as the originals, and there wasn't any sense of balance to them at all. Way too easy.) Or maybe we'll get Soul Hackers, finally :((( I mean, I sort of doubt that, but who knows. DS isn't going away any time soon, and they could put some nice touchpad functionality on it.

Still, pretty cool they haven't abandoned the PS2 yet. I mean, I imagine that'll help keep development costs down a bit. And buying costs, too.

Anyway, I still have some popcorn left over from the movie.
7525  Media / Single-Player RPGs / "Countdown Site" = Chrono Trigger DS? remake, new on: July 03, 2008, 11:31:38 PM
Yeah but remakes of good games aren't necessarily good. Which is why I wouldn't want a remake of Chrono Trigger. Just use the same damn engine and everything but rebalance it** and add new content. You know. Like a director's cut edition. New bonus dungeon doesn't count since you know that's just going to be one of those stupid post game things where you fight random ass bosses for sekrit equpimuntz you don't really need.

Remakes of good NES games are usually okay though since uh... NES was sort of crappy hardware. DOS or Master System* games from that era have aged way, way better. Not trying to be elitist or anything, but I mean, compare FF1 and Phantasy Star 1, and try to tell me that FF1 was faster, looked nicer, and had better sound quality.

* And the Apple II can go eat a penis made out of Starbursts made of glass.

** Which should be fairly easy to do. Give the player slightly more MP at level up early on and slightly less later on, keep tech learning rate the same, and cut back the level-up rate. That SHOULD work okay. Overlevelling is what makes the game get too easy, and giving the player a little more MP early on would give them some more strategic versatility.
7526  Media / Single-Player RPGs / "Countdown Site" = Chrono Trigger DS? remake, new on: July 03, 2008, 09:50:48 PM
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Why do you think that they NEED to come out with crappy gimmicks like "customized marshmellow summons" for the new FFIV


Because the original FFIV's really slow and not that fun anymore and basically the RPG equivalent of Candyland, and I'm sure you're going to disagree, but I'm pretty sure you played it back then and you're just going to get through the entire thing on nostalgia alone?


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Younger kids are spoiled by their flashy systems, their 3D polys, their voiceover actors that can't act their way out of a wet paper bag, etc.


Not really. Voice actors are a lot better today than they used to be because voice actors are now actually voice actors and not just whatever programmers happened to be in the office at thet ime. Also people seem tobe less and less impressed by good graphics these days.

Anyway, the case with ports of classic SNES RPGs is that like, you can port it as much as you want, guys, but the RPG playing community is insular as all hell and will stay that way for-ever and anyone who has any interest in Chrono Trigger will have already played it.

The main target audience here is probably the fanboy demographic that like, absolutely NEEDS to be playing Chrono Trigger... portably.

But yeah, I don't really think Chrono Trigger is as absolutely perfect as a lot of people do, and sure, I like it, but there are a lot of things about it that really annoy me, and a lot of ways the game could be... expanded.

And anyway, if someone's favorite game is Chrono Trigger, the only thing that'd piss 'em off more than a sequel they thought was worse than the original would be to make a sequel that would be better than the original.
7527  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Star Ocean: The Last Hope on: July 02, 2008, 04:45:25 PM
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IS THIS FUCKIGN SCI-FI ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE?! HUH?! YEEEAAAHHH?! WHAAATTT?! FUUUCCCKKK!!!


Clearly made of wood. Not sci-fi.
7528  Media / Single-Player RPGs / "Countdown Site" = Chrono Trigger DS? remake, new on: July 02, 2008, 04:44:05 PM
I wonder if it'll have a hard mode or something.
7529  Media / The Soundroom / Song of the Moment: 15th Anniversary Edition on: July 01, 2008, 06:38:33 PM
Cockney Rebel - Sebastian
7530  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Persona 4 on: July 01, 2008, 04:47:54 PM
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The first P2 didn't come here because of controversial elements, like Hitler.


I doubt it would be hitler. Otherwise, Wolfenstein 3D would've been blocked from release years earlier. It's Germany that has the anti nazi glorification laws.

If there's any controversial elements I can think of it'd be the number of murders involving people at that highschool, or whatever it was. This game was coming out around the time of Columbine.

However, I recall reading an interview where Atlus said that SCEA would let them bring over only one of IS or EP, and they picked EP because they thought it was better.
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