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2416  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Disgaea 3 confirmed for US on: February 27, 2008, 07:56:53 PM
Quote from: "Losfer"
Hurray, I can't wait for the HIGH RES GRAPHICS.


Meh.  It's not like they were considered cutting edge on the PS2 anyhow.  I'm glad they stuck with the sprites since it wouldn't be Disgaea (let alone a Nippon Ichi title) without them.  It's nice that even in the next-gen (which is pretty much current gen now) that a title like that can exist.  I recall reading an interview somewhere where they asked the creators why they just didn't put it on the PS2 and the answer was something along the lines of, "We're going to have to learn how to make next-gen games eventually so we might as well start now".  I wonder if it runs in 720p like other next-gen titles (I am aware that some run at 1080p on PS3).

Anyways, I'm pretty excited about this.  The first Disgaea pulled me in and I've been loving the series since (clocking 100+ hours on both the first and second).  One thing that is disappointing is by looking at the Disgaea 3 website and various screenshots is limited new human/demon classes and the old ones have the same sprites.  Oh well, a minor downside to me.  Honestly, once I begin working full time and my salary kicks in, this game is enough to warrant a PS3 purchase solely for this game (and other games will be coming eventually like senjou no valkyria, FFXIII, White Knight Story).

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Is there real strategy to part 3, or is the strategy in finding the best way to grind and abuse the system?


Without a secret/extra level to grind at, the post-game extra stuff would take too long to get to up to level (or they could just scale the enemies level down, but I don't see that happening).  Disgaea 2 definitely was easier than Disgaea 1 in that regard with a couple levels for good leveling up weaker characters.
2417  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / World of Warcraft OH MY GOD CURRENT EVENTS THREAD on: February 27, 2008, 01:58:07 PM
Are you serious?  I'm not saying rogues are exciting but the main premise of an enhance shaman is all about auto attack with shocks/stormstrike thrown in here and there =P.  Windfury used to pwn more when BC came out, but it got nerfed... probably rightfully so.

Ele is fun though.

As for mages, at least you get ritual of refreshment now at 70.
2418  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Suikoden 1 discussion! SPOILER ALERT!!! on: February 27, 2008, 01:47:26 PM
You'll probably have to consult a FAQ but I'd say you probably cannot.  It's been a long time since I played Suikoden2 but my guess is there are some that are missable and are gone after a certain point in the game.
2419  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Persona 3 on: February 25, 2008, 03:35:18 PM
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.  I don't really care if anything carries over, I just want to play episode Aegis.  

and D-Rider.. I change my mind.  I don't want to know what a mara is.
2420  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Persona 3 on: February 25, 2008, 02:50:04 PM
Stripped from the Atlus FAQ:

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8. Can I continue my game of Persona 3 in Persona 3 FES?

Not really. The Journey section of P3 FES is meant to be played from the start so that you can experience all the new content. If you're in the middle of October in Persona 3, you cannot load that save into Persona 3 FES and pick up in the middle of October in The Journey; you must start a new game at level 1. However, you will be able to load some things from your Persona 3 save into FES. These are:

-Your Academics, Charm, and Courage rankings
-Your discovered Fusion Spells list
-Any key items you possess that unlock Persona fusions
-Your Persona compendium (However, the Personas in your compendium will be reset to their base level, stats, and skills)


That will stop me from playing it right there due to the game's length.  By the time it comes out, I will be knee-deep in finals and then start my job shortly after.  Q_Q

One question though, also in the FAQ was:
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. Is the US version of Persona 3 FES censored in any way? I heard you might have to remove... that.

Longtime fans of the Shin Megami Tensei series will be happy to hear that P3 FES is completely uncensored, including... that, which appears in its full "glory" for the first time in the US in this game.


What is... "that"?  Someone mentioned Mara, but I don't know what a mara is.
2421  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / For everyone who once said, "FFXI sucks, you can't solo on: February 23, 2008, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: "Tenchi-no-Ryu"
Quote from: "Akanbe-"

WoW is absolutely dumbed down and content keeps being dumbed down so even casuals can do it (whether or not that's a good choice is one's opinion).  Bosses are nerfed even after they are balanced, attunements are lifted, epics are more plentiful and easier to obtain.

WoW endgame takes... skill?  Hardly.  My guild was 4/5 Hyjal and 5/9 Black Temple before I quit 3+ months ago and I must say it certainly does not take skill.  As for talent, the only talent that is required is to not be retarded and be able to pay attention to directions.  That's it.  I will agree to two things though.  One, WoW does take decent communication and coordination to down bosses some/most bosses.  Two, there is some-slight-miniscule amount of skill to end game WoW and that's only if you are doing absolutely cutting edge raiding content with bosses being unbalanced, no kill movies to watch, no strategies from someone in a previous guild who writes out the entire encounter and every single ability on a website for you, generally undergeared, boss mods are not available to tell you when every little thing is going to occur, etc.  Even that could be contested.  



Again we have the casuals vs. harcore argument. Obviously you were in an endgame guild, but where you a part of the revolving door membership that raid culture seems to promote, or were you actually a guild staple? Also what class did you play and what role? I'm not stating these things to argue with you, but i'd like to illustrate that perspective and experience completely color commentary.

It has been my experience that most players in WoW reach endgame by daisy chaining raid guilds until they get to the top, and in most instances they don't earn their gear - they come in when content has been learned, strats have already been mastered, the majority of the guild has experience and are pulled through content on a radio flyer. Easy to say content is easy when you have to do so little work to get things done. I'm sure your former guild leaders would disagree with you vehemently.

Also, certain classes (particularly dps classes) are much simpler to play and dont have the needed skill levels as classes like tanks and healers. I've played a prot warrior for most of my WoW career, and if you think thats easy in endgame, then you've either never played a tank and have no clue about what they do, or your a meatshield god, and if thats the case, then hats off to you.
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If you're saying that WoW takes a lot more skill, talent, communication, and coordination end game than FFXI, then killing FFXI bosses must simply require just being present and breathing to win.


Your statement has clarified to me that you have obviously never led a raid before. Many bosses in FFXI are extremely challenging to win, but they either center on a single gimmick or are exercises in extreme patience. Mobility isn't anywhere near as emphasized in FFXI HNMs and don't require quite as much explaining.

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Quote from: "Tenchi-no-Ryu"
The comment about the WoW community being the worst in the world stands far ahead of the FFXI community, because they actively have a voice in their game.


When I made that comment, I meant more in the lines of the WoW forums which, at any day, showcases new lows for humanity.  I didn't look, but I'm sure when Heath Ledger died, 2 to 3 out of every 5 posts undoubtedly mocked his death asking things like, "Did he drop good lewtz?".  Though I admit in game it's not that bad.  Yes, they have a somewhat active voice in the game, but half the threads are whining about "nerf this" or "buff that" while constructive threads are few and far between (and usually, the threads that are intelligent are often ignored in the end by blizzard anyway).


Any collection of nerds on the interweb is going to degenerate more as you add more spawn to the pool. I saw plenty of lame shit on the Dreams in Vana'diel forums and Killing Ifrit forums back when I was active in FFXI. The asshat ratio is about the same, but aside from the whining there are many posters who take the time to clearly and eloquently illustrate flaws in the game, and suggestions on how to balance problems, and have a platform that Blizzard responds to. FFXI didn't, so there was always a sense of being disconnected from the developer, and I think thats really a key point in being a good MMO developer. If you create a game thats meant to be a social device, its really good business to pay attention to your playerbase. I never got the impression that SE really cared enough about their players to make changes in a timely or effective fashion.


I'm not turning it into a casual vs hardcore debate.  I'm just saying that WoW undoubtedly gets dumbed down and made easier for folks who raid less.  There's really no arguing that.  Like I said, I'm not going into whether that's a good or bad thing.

I was definitely not a guild hopper.  I was with my first guild all the way through the first parts of SSC and TK until we disbanded.  I probably had around a 95% attendance and was there for every single "learning" of the encounters.  Any absences were due to it already being mastered and wanting to give spots to others who needed loot.  I loved that guild.

Second raid guild was slightly ahead of where my first guild was, but I only stayed for a bit because my new work schedule didn't allow me to come home till 8 and raids already had started.

My third and final guild was in the same spot my second guild was.  Once again I was there for every wipe and every "learning" of the encounters until I quit.  I again had high raid attendance and only missed raids when I was at home for fall break and didn't have my PC with me.  I was even there for the 2 annoying weeks of learning Kael'thas (except for the 2 nights I was home for fall break).  Our guild was not a revolving door at all.  We had most of the same people with us for learning encounters.  
There isn't even a hint of truth to saying I didn't earn my gear since I was there for EVERYTHING.  And to your other questions, yes I was a guild staple and I was generally the only holy priest taken on raids.  I do agree though that there are people who don't earn their gear because they do daisy-chan through guilds.  There are two people who come to mind in my guild who were like that and they barely got into any raids.

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I've played a prot warrior for most of my WoW career, and if you think thats easy in endgame, then you've either never played a tank


Do you want a cookie?  Yes, warrior tanking (can't speak for paladins since we've never used one) is probably one of the harder things to do in WoW endgame.  In general, that's only one -maybe two- raid spots for a prot warrior. Other than that, most other things aren't that hard.  Most feral tanks I spoke to never found it that hard so I don't include them, but feel free to if you want.  

The fact that I never lead a raid before is irrelevant.  My guild leaders / raid leaders would say the same thing that I posted (they've even said it in vent before).  Being a raid leader suddenly doesn't mean you need more WoW skill.  You just have to know the strategies all around (know what classes to take, materials, class roles, etc) and be able to communicate what you need to do to everyone.  It doesn't take any more "WoW skill" to be a raid leader.  Yes being able to communicate effectively is a good personal skill, but it doesn't change the fact that WoW isn't a hard game.  They've said it time and time again, "Guys, this isn't hard".  When you have mods telling you everything that's happening during an encounter, full in-depth strategies telling you exactly what to do, and large hi-res boss kill movies, I just don't see it as skill.  Don't get me wrong, it's fun.  I enjoyed my time raiding on WoW.  

(edit:  After thinking it out a bit, I suppose there's some skill in learning how to raid effectively with your class.  However, all it really takes is a little bit of extra thinking.  By the time I was finished with karazhan, I knew the most imporant things as what spells to use, when to downrank, what to downrank, when to cancel my heals, etc.  Even that I'm not sure if I would call skill since boss kill movies and class guides can tell you the same thing if you don't want to learn it for yourself)

As for FFXI, yes I never played it.  I was just saying if you thought wow took copious amounts of skill compared to FFXI, then FFXI must need nothing.  I don't know much about FFXI so I'm not commenting about it.

As for the forums, sure Blizzard reps respond to some forum posts, but often some issues are left alone.  The posters you call, "there are many posters who take the time to clearly and eloquently illustrate flaws in the game, and suggestions on how to balance problems" as I said in my previous post, are few and far between the actual whinings for nerfs/buffs/impractical suggestions.
2422  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / For everyone who once said, "FFXI sucks, you can't solo on: February 22, 2008, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: "Tenchi-no-Ryu"
I think WoW takes a hell of alot more skill, talent, communication and coordination endgame than FFXI could ever hope to acheive - but thats primarily limitations of design (one made for a console, one designed for a PC) as well as vision. Its a common argument among FFXI players that WoW is dumbed down (I used to be one of them) but its horseshit, honestly.


WoW is absolutely dumbed down and content keeps being dumbed down so even casuals can do it (whether or not that's a good choice is one's opinion).  Bosses are nerfed even after they are balanced, attunements are lifted, epics are more plentiful and easier to obtain.
 
WoW endgame takes... skill?  Hardly.  My guild was 4/5 Hyjal and 5/9 Black Temple before I quit 3+ months ago and I must say it certainly does not take skill.  As for talent, the only talent that is required is to not be retarded and be able to pay attention to directions.  That's it.  I will agree to two things though.  One, WoW does take decent communication and coordination to down bosses some/most bosses.  Two, there is some-slight-miniscule amount of skill to end game WoW and that's only if you are doing absolutely cutting edge raiding content with bosses being unbalanced, no kill movies to watch, no strategies from someone in a previous guild who writes out the entire encounter and every single ability on a website for you, generally undergeared, boss mods are not available to tell you when every little thing is going to occur, etc.  Even that could be contested.  

If you're saying that WoW takes a lot more skill, talent, communication, and coordination end game than FFXI, then killing FFXI bosses must simply require just being present and breathing to win.

Quote from: "Tenchi-no-Ryu"
The comment about the WoW community being the worst in the world stands far ahead of the FFXI community, because they actively have a voice in their game.


When I made that comment, I meant more in the lines of the WoW forums which, at any day, showcases new lows for humanity.  I didn't look, but I'm sure when Heath Ledger died, 2 to 3 out of every 5 posts undoubtedly mocked his death asking things like, "Did he drop good lewtz?".  Though I admit in game it's not that bad.  Yes, they have a somewhat active voice in the game, but half the threads are whining about "nerf this" or "buff that" while constructive threads are few and far between (and usually, the threads that are intelligent are often ignored in the end by blizzard anyway).
2423  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Tales of Vesperia on: February 22, 2008, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: "dalucifer0"
DUMB.

That's all that really needs to be said. Why release a Tales game first in the States when the only good selling game has been Symphonia? And when 90%+ of the sales come from, um, I don't know, JAPAN. It ain't going to sell well, so I believe a PS3 and/or a Wii port is inevitable.


If it's a good game then it'll be shipped everywhere anyway and gamers will still profit.  If it was true, which I'm starting to think it's wrong, it could be due to the NA/JP sales (I couldn't find a reliable source to even begin to confirm this.  I don't trust vgchartz because the disparity between the two countries seemed too big.  I dunno).

Edited because apparently even I can read.  The article seems to not point that a Japanese release was not happening at the same time, but the question was more or less "would it really be released on the 360 in Japan (opposed to a different system [which makes no sense, but whatever])?  The actual words i'm looking at (translated) are: "Finally, asked if the game will come to the Xbox 360 even in Japan, "Regarding Japan, everything is currently TBA. We expect to be able to make an announcement shortly."  Probably the announcement they are talking about is the text I copied and pasted below from Rpgamer

Rpgamer says:
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It was also revealed that the game will be released outside of Japan fairly quickly, as the English version is being developed simultaneously with its Japanese counterpart, and that the releases will be close to each other.


Which makes more sense... and hopefully it's this way instead. 60% complete?  sounds good to me.

More info from the article:
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The ring around the city, seen in trailers, is actually a barrier that keeps monsters out. The world's energy balance is breaking down, causing an influx in the creation of monsters. Most people will never set foot outside the city, though Yuri used to be a knight and Flynn regularly ventures out to fight monsters.

At this point, the game is approximately 60% complete and is scheduled to fit on a single dual-sided DVD. Production I.G. is once again handling the opening movie, and they will also be handling the FMVs in Vesperia. The FMVs will be more numerous than any past game in the series and will all run at 720p.

The battle system is based on the one from Tales of the Abyss, though more features have been added to it to create the Evolved Flex-Range Linear Motion Battle System or EFR-LMBS. The battles are scheduled to run at 60 frames per second (fps), while in the field it drops to 30 fps.

One of the changes to the battle system is the addition of enemy links. This means that when the player goes into battle in an area within range of other enemies, the player may have to fight a larger group than initially intended. There is now the ability to stock up Over Limits to as high as four, so each character can use one or a single character can use them all. Using that gauge, players will be able to create more combos. This may see characters fight faster or even gain the ability to use artes more rapidly.

When it comes to mini-games and downloadable content (DLC), Namco Bandai will likely have both of those available to players. They're working on a few ideas for mini-games in Vesperia, though they're running out of time, so it may not be finished in time to be added to the game. If it is added, an Xbox Live ranking system would be included. In regards to DLC, it's doubtful that bonus dungeons will be released, though there are plans to have hard to find items downloadable for those more willing to pay for items rather than find them.

When it comes to the game's North American version, players can expect to find fully-voiced skits and an English version of the main theme, sung by the same person that does the Japanese one. This will mark the 10th anniversary of the Tales series, and as such Namco Bandai has been putting a lot of work into its development.

Though the game will be exclusive to the Xbox 360 when it releases, Namco Bandai also mentions that there is a possibility that the game may one day be ported to the PlayStation 3. Readers interested in seeing the game's teaser trailer may visit the game's official site for both a high definition and standard view.
2424  Media / Miscellaneous Games / Mario Kart Wii - possible release date and info on: February 22, 2008, 01:53:29 PM
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You can use the classic controller or gamecube controller to play.  Fuck yes!

I agree with you on the N64 battle mode, Prime Mover.  I never had a problem with people hating skyscraper in my experience, which is good because that was probably my favorite track.

As for the Gamecube version, I don't recall the itemizing being a big problem, but I can count on two hands how many battle mode games I played probably.  The tracks did blow major ass though.  I did enjoy the co-op 1p mode though.  It was great for playing with my gf since she did not like racing against me and made a fun experience for people who aren't gamers but are willing to give it a shot.

edit:  a minor review is up: http://www.wiiwii.tv/2008/02/27/hands-on-with-mario-kart-wii/
2425  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Tales of Vesperia on: February 22, 2008, 10:31:33 AM
The front page has made my friday

I guess this means we'll get it first?  Sweet... I think.  Now hopefully they just stick to their 2008 release date.
2426  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Persona 3 on: February 21, 2008, 07:45:44 PM
How long is episode Aegis exactly?  I'm definitely not interested in replaying P3 again even if some of the extras sound good.
2427  Media / The Soundroom / Song of the Moment Part 7,894,673,589.3 on: February 21, 2008, 07:36:10 PM
Been listening to Scar Symmetry while walking to class.  I don't like their low growl crap but I really like their singer's regular singing voice.  Good stuff.
2428  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Tales of Vesperia on: February 21, 2008, 04:14:09 PM
Meh, there are bound to be many good exclusives on each system.  I only have a bare bones 360 arcade (cheapest model) but this just reaffirms my decision really.  Once I graduate in may, i'll probably end up getting all the systems eventually (which is funny, because a year ago I couldn't see myself ever buying any).

Anyways, I'm looking forward to Vesperia since I generally enjoy Tales games and it's been awhile since I played one.  It might suck like Legendia but only time will tell.

Looks quite standard fare for the most part. I like some of the character designs, specifically the main character.  Blonde haired guy from the trailer looks kinda bland, oh well.  Still pretty interested though.
2429  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Persona 3 on: February 21, 2008, 03:34:34 PM
I hope it's FES.  I always said I would not buy this title.. but after listening to the OST I am slowly changing my mind.  Since I read through the main points of the plot already, I still am considering buying it to support it and play it a little bit here and there.

After all, the staff here who do import had it ranked higher than P3 in their yearly rankings on RPGFan this year.. so that has to mean something.
2430  Media / Single-Player RPGs / which one to play first ? on: February 20, 2008, 11:36:17 AM
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C.. You call it a love triangle but only list 2 people? I don't really see this as point.


The triangle part relies on point D, sort of, but the actual point is that Fei and Elly's love seemed a bit spontaneous and the actual real reason for it, assuming I understood it right, was just... insane.

Point D relates to Miang. And some other stuff along those lines. Keep in mind that one of my points was that everything was explained terribly but from my understanding:

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Fei is Fei.
Id is Fei.
Lacan is the past version of Fei.
Kim is the past-er version of Fei.
Abel is the past-est version of Fei.
Grahf is Lacan.
Wiseman is Fei's dad.
Fei's dad apparently get's taken over by Grahf; also Fei's dad is Fei.
Ramsus was a clone of Fei or Cain or something. I don't know.

Okay. And from my understanding, most of the above applies to Elly, except she was created by the Zohar as a clone of Abel's mom. Also Miang is apparently Elly or something, and all of the women in the game become a Miang at some point.


And no, just because I gave a numbered list does not mean I consider it or intend it to be taken as a complete, conclusive list.

But my real point is that a lot of stuff in XG was just poorly explained and a lot of characters were underdeveloped.

It also had some really stupid moments like that Chu-cifixion bit, the Soylent Facilty being named 'soylent,' thus... I don't know, sort of killing the mood by turning it into a goofy sci-fi reference, the overabundance of stuff like that in general in what was supposed to be a serious story (Humor is okay in a serious story. Bizarre, pop-culture referencing meta-humor is generally never okay in a serious story), everything involving the Limiters, what the hell was the Wave Existence, multiple personality disorder does not change your physical appearance or make you a super saiyin, and I don't know. I haven't played it in awhile.


Ok, I see what you mean by point D now and I probably should have noticed what you meant earlier (but for whatever reason, I did not).

I don't believe things were that poorly explained (though that's just my opinion, everyone's free to have their own).  There was just.. a lot of terms and shit being thrown around at all points of the game when you may or may not know what the that term/word meant yet.  It did take me two full play throughs to get the full story and be able to realize what a lot of the earlier scenes meant, but that didn't really bother me too much (though admittedly now a days, I don't have the time to replay games so it probably would piss me off now).  

The ChuChucification was indeed retarded.  

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as with the multiple disorder part, we all know it doesn't change your appearance. I'm sure it was done for the sake of the story.


Quote from: "Ramza"
2) I beat the game at the tender age of 14, before I had heard of the "Soylent Green" sci-fi spiel. I didn't know the reference


Same here.  I was around 14 as well and had no idea about the reference.
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