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2431  Media / Single-Player RPGs / which one to play first ? on: February 20, 2008, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: "MeshGearFox"
C.. You call it a love triangle but only list 2 people? I don't really see this as point.

The triangle part relies on point D, sort of, but the actual point is that Fei and Elly's love seemed a bit spontaneous and the actual real reason for it, assuming I understood it right, was just... insane.

Point D relates to Miang. And some other stuff along those lines. Keep in mind that one of my points was that everything was explained terribly but from my understanding:


Fei is Fei.
Id is Fei.
Lacan is the past version of Fei.
Kim is the past-er version of Fei.
Abel is the past-est version of Fei.
Grahf is Lacan.
Wiseman is Fei's dad.
Fei's dad apparently get's taken over by Grahf; also Fei's dad is Fei.
Ramsus was a clone of Fei or Cain or something. I don't know.

Okay. And from my understanding, most of the above applies to Elly, except she was created by the Zohar as a clone of Abel's mom. Also Miang is apparently Elly or something, and all of the women in the game become a Miang at some point.

And no, just because I gave a numbered list does not mean I consider it or intend it to be taken as a complete, conclusive list.

But my real point is that a lot of stuff in XG was just poorly explained and a lot of characters were underdeveloped.

It also had some really stupid moments like that Chu-cifixion bit, the Soylent Facilty being named 'soylent,' thus... I don't know, sort of killing the mood by turning it into a goofy sci-fi reference, the overabundance of stuff like that in general in what was supposed to be a serious story (Humor is okay in a serious story. Bizarre, pop-culture referencing meta-humor is generally never okay in a serious story), everything involving the Limiters, what the hell was the Wave Existence, multiple personality disorder does not change your physical appearance or make you a super saiyin, and I don't know. I haven't played it in awhile.

Ok, I see what you mean by point D now and I probably should have noticed what you meant earlier (but for whatever reason, I did not).

I don't believe things were that poorly explained (though that's just my opinion, everyone's free to have their own).  There was just.. a lot of terms and shit being thrown around at all points of the game when you may or may not know what the that term/word meant yet.  It did take me two full play throughs to get the full story and be able to realize what a lot of the earlier scenes meant, but that didn't really bother me too much (though admittedly now a days, I don't have the time to replay games so it probably would piss me off now).  

The ChuChucification was indeed retarded.  

as with the multiple disorder part, we all know it doesn't change your appearance. I'm sure it was done for the sake of the story.

Quote from: "Ramza"
2) I beat the game at the tender age of 14, before I had heard of the "Soylent Green" sci-fi spiel. I didn't know the reference

Same here.  I was around 14 as well and had no idea about the reference.
2432  Media / Single-Player RPGs / which one to play first ? on: February 19, 2008, 07:37:30 PM
Quote from: "Losfer"
Quote from: "daschrier"
I don't know many games where the dialogue is believeable.

Losfar's Breath of FIre II recap:

* Ryu walks through some woods.
* Bo the furry appears.
Bo > Hey, you hate the badguy too?  I will join your party !
* Bo has joined the party.

Did you really just spell your name wrong? =P

Quote from: "Meshgearfox"
A) Gets multiple personality disorder wrong.
B) That scene involving Chu-chu blocking a door and Fei not wanting to move it even though he thinks its only a doll.
C) The love triangle between Elly and Fei.

Everyone ends up either being Fei or Fei's mom.

How does your "A" response equate to bad writing? Poorly researched perhaps.  And it's a video game.  To me it looks like they were just trying to make things more interesting.  If it truly is wrong like you said, then they should have just made up a name for it.

B.. is odd.  I agree.  still don't see the bad writing / character interaction just because he wouldn't move a doll.

C.. You call it a love triangle but only list 2 people?  I don't really see this as point.

Though what Eusis said about the writing, after looking through some parts of the script, I can agree with.  


E.. I can agree with that
2433  The Rest / General Discussions / Early Life Crisis! on: February 19, 2008, 07:22:38 PM
Ah, Azrael brought up a good point about community colleges (btw:  Didn't you used to go to PSU? I think I remember you).

Indeed your GPA will be a lot better when you finish community college compared to a regular uni.  However, if you decide to transfer to a university later, you often will lose your GPA (at least here in the states, that seems to be the norm).  The problem?  All those easier classes that you could have used to pad your GPA are gone and your GPA will be completely based off your harder last two years of classes (assuming you would transfer after 2 years.. which is the popular thing to do at my uni for whatever reason).

Just another thing to keep in mind.  Your GPA may or may not be important to you, but many specific departments require a minimum GPA and since you probably would not have the GPA padding, you will have to work harder to maintain full-time status with the department.  I know a few people who had to wait to enter the education department their 3rd year because their GPA wasn't high enough.
2434  Media / Single-Player RPGs / which one to play first ? on: February 19, 2008, 12:22:13 AM
Well, put that way I can't really argue with that.  I have a save somewhere around mid first disk.  I'll have to pop it in and check it out.  I often don't notice something unless it's pointed out to me (sans SO2.. but that's another topic).

I agree whole heartedly about the Lunar writing.  One of the few RPGs that I can recall off the top of my head that made me laugh often.

I guess if money is no option or the OP already has both titles, perhaps I'd say Lunar after all.
2435  Media / Anime, TV, and Movies / Anime/Manga Journal on: February 19, 2008, 12:05:32 AM
Just finished The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.  I'm not much into anime anymore but I figured I would watch it and see why so many liked it.  It was a pretty strange anime, but I liked it a lot overall.  The ending left a bit more to be desired but I had a feeling it was going to be like that around the final episodes.
2436  Media / Single-Player RPGs / which one to play first ? on: February 19, 2008, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: "Eusis"
Quote from: "Akanbe-"
I do admit though, it's been a long time since I played through Xenogears at any length (realistically around 7 years)

Read the script on Gamefaqs, namely the later portions of the game. The writing quality is really bad, albit serviceable.

But was it any worse than other games of the time?  I really don't have the time to look through a disc worth of game script.
2437  Media / Single-Player RPGs / which one to play first ? on: February 18, 2008, 11:50:51 PM
Quote from: "Prime Mover"
Xenogears is one of those games with a killer story but zero realistic character interaction or realistic character development. It's got pretty decent locales and some huge plot twists that you won't see coming. But if you like decent writing or interesting design, I'd stay the hell away from it, because it will frusterate you to no end.

Zero realistic character interaction / development?  Bad writing?  How so, because I completely disagree.  If you're going to compare it to something like FFXII then I guess so, but iirc it wasn't written any worse than any other rpg at the time minus the Lunar games.  But those were some of the best if you ask me.

I do admit though, it's been a long time since I played through Xenogears at any length (realistically around 7 years)

At the time, I really enjoyed all the various intricacies of the plotline.  I don't really remember if it reeked with poor grammatical structure or not

Edit:  I'm just going to throw this in the first post instead of the later one, but I'm kind of with Losfer, except with Xenogears.  When I was young, Xenogears was my favorite game no doubt.  Nostalgia is powerful indeed.  I used to occasionally wonder if I could erase my knowledge of Xenogears, if I would still feel that way if I played it today.
2438  The Rest / General Discussions / Early Life Crisis! on: February 17, 2008, 01:38:26 PM
Well, my friend has a degree similar to what you want.  His first job after school was extremely shitty (I can't even remember what it was exactly) but now he's at an almost equal shitty job as a Verizon Customer Complaint/Support Center.  Of course, his situation is somewhat his fault and possibly would not happen to you, but it's something to think about.

I agree completely with V-Dawg: staying in highschool to think things over longer / get better grades is definitely not the answer.  It happens sometimes that you can't get into the school of your choice, but would staying an extra year really help your case?  

Further agreeing with V-Dawg, he's right.  A lot of people in college/universities have no idea what they are doing.  At most American colleges (and I assume Canadian colleges are similar) you have to take a fuckton of Liberal Arts and Elective classes.  This will give you time to think as well as let you take some classes that you'd be interested in.  If you change your mind, no big deal.  At a lot of colleges in America, even if you change your major, those major classes can be dumped into another category that will help you graduate anyway.  It's a win-win if it happens, but unfortunately it doesn't always work out like this.

As for community colleges, I agree they are cheaper, but sometimes credits don't transfer to major universities.  Also, from what I read, they are a good decision only if you know what you want to do.  There's actually a really good thread about community colleges over at SA's forums and most people agreed that it was a waste of time if you didn't know what you wanted to do.  I'll try to find the thread, but at the moment the search feature is disabled and since I'm not registered, I don't even know if i'll be able to search for it when it's up.  It had a lot of good information though from people who have gone that path.  If I can find the thread I'll post it.
2439  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Soma Bringer on: February 16, 2008, 01:51:41 PM
Looks really interesting, but I wonder how the multiplayer co-op works?  Does it work with Wi-fi? Or does it only work with everyone in the room with each having a cartridge (i'm guessing a one cartridge deal won't work).

Either way, It looks like a worthwhile purchase.  Doesn't seem like a dungeon crawler and hopefully not a button masher.
2440  Media / Single-Player RPGs / SMT Persona 3 boring ? on: February 16, 2008, 01:41:32 PM
Story and such does pick up, but gameplay doesn't change all that much other than for new persona.

If you find the life sim part boring or not fun, you probably won't like the game overall since it's always a big chunk of the game.
2441  The Rest / General Discussions / This thread is a candidate for jihad! on: February 13, 2008, 08:42:08 PM
I saw this on digg and felt it was appropriate to the topic.

2442  The Rest / General Discussions / Tell me something... on: February 13, 2008, 02:03:27 PM
Quote from: "Prime Mover"
Quote from: "sandiny0ursh0es"
I'm actually gay, and I always wonder if video game forums are as homophobic as they seem to be.

However, I've seen "faggot" very little on internet forums

You must have never browsed the official world of warcraft forums (which is a good thing).  I'd say "faggot" is used as much as the word "the" =P
2443  The Rest / General Discussions / DR's Feelgood Story of the Week on: February 13, 2008, 01:59:28 PM
Lies.  I do not feel good.
2444  Media / Single-Player RPGs / are we ever gonna see the US release of TOD and TOD2? on: February 11, 2008, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: "macirex"
I know is futile... Just give me some hope....


... I should try to learn japanese again =S

You should.  I took it in a university and they were by far the most fun classes I've ever taken.  I even had a friend who lived in town with his GF who was in college that took Japanese and nothing else.

On topic, Tales of Destiny was released for the first playstation.  Was it that different on the PSP?

edit:  The PS2 remake is purrty.
2445  The Rest / General Discussions / RPGFan Gaming Journal: The Road to Infinity on: February 11, 2008, 02:24:57 PM
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