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2176  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Getting psyched for Gungnir on: April 11, 2012, 05:32:38 PM
I felt like this game deserves a topic now that there's an actual release date (June 12!).  Sure there's the Atlus announcement topic, but most of that was talking about Growlanser anyway.

Even those Sting seems to have a reputation for doing weird stuff, I gotta say I'm looking forward to a pure SRPG from them.  Yggdra Union remains my favorite Sting game to this day.  They do strategy well.  Gungnir looks great from the screenshots that have been posted.  But I'll probably get it digitally since I plan on getting a Vita soon.
2177  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales of Graces F on: April 10, 2012, 10:11:48 PM
You guys should just be glad you don't play Idolm@ster.  The DLC pricing there makes this stuff look like a bargain.

Namco Bandai is probably one of the worst offenders there is, DLC-wise.  I think they're much worse about it than Capcom.  I guess you don't hear much about it in the states because so many of their games either don't make it here at all or are pretty niche when they do.
2178  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Black Rock Shooter: The Game on: April 08, 2012, 12:09:37 PM
For what it's worth I was at the NIS America panel at Sakura-con yesterday and they were asked about Black Rock Shooter.  They insisted that it actually is still coming but they could not talk about any details at this point.  But whatever they're doing it didn't sound like it was canceled.
2179  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: April 06, 2012, 12:19:03 PM
Sorry, but I'm not going to complain about anything being made more widely available.  And it makes sense to start off with their most popular titles.

And it's not just about the difficultly (or lack thereof) of finding the game.  PS2 classics mean they can be played on PS3s without BC (i.e., the vast majority of PS3s).
2180  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The Nw Dal$ Thrad on: April 05, 2012, 04:19:59 PM
The original Fallout is free on GoG for a limited time.

Hard to beat free.
2181  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread on: April 04, 2012, 05:28:06 PM
Capes are good in any weather.
2182  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: April 04, 2012, 01:44:55 PM
The pacific northwest is hard to beat for outdoor activities.  Such a beautiful region.
2183  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Atelier Ayesha on: April 03, 2012, 05:26:21 PM
I feel like we're arguing using two completely different sets of facts or something...

My alchemists typically have between 60-100% the HP of the other characters (there's a big range because there are big differences between supporting characters in that regard...) and take maybe 10-15% more damage per hit.  Meanwhile, their regular attacks do 1/3 to 1/2 the damage of the other characters (which is a heck of a lot better than a D&D mage does with a crossbow...if you're not taking into account attack bonuses and AC then that's a totally invalid comparison, since in D&D rules not hitting a significant fraction of the time is normal, and a major part of the reason to be a fighter type is because you will hit a lot more often).  Weaker?  Sure.  Anything like the dramatic difference in Ar Tonelico?  Not even close.  Reyvateils are like paper without their protects.  They'll be done in even with a couple weak attacks.  Atelier alchemists are more light slightly below-average fighters...

I have to wonder how you're equipping your alchemists if they die so easily in your games.  Equipment in Atelier is strictly additive (your attack power is just base+bonus from your equipment, etc.), so having good equipment makes a huge difference, especially for characters with lower base stats.  In fact it's not really that hard to have your Alchemists dishing out more damage and taking more hits than your other characters.  In Totori there's even a platinum ingot you can buy early in the game--long before you would normally be able to make one--if you just save up enough money.  Make a weapon for Rorona (as soon as you get her) with it and she can pretty much kill any regular enemy you encounter at that point in the game with one regular attack.  But her attacks are area effect, which pretty much makes her unstoppable with just regular attacks.  No that's not a typical thing to do but it's an example of something you can do and it's really not that hard if you make it a goal.  Managing equipment is as important (maybe more important) than leveling up or making alchemy items in these games, so if you're not doing it then you're not playing the game right.  Especially since equipment is an investment.  Making better equipment makes your characters stronger which makes battles faster which actually gives you more time in the long run.

Ar Tonelico takes an old idea to an extreme.  The Atelier games are nowhere near that extreme.  In fact I think they're pretty mild examples of the old idea.  Calling it "Ar Tonelico downgraded" is completely silly.  That's like calling a propeller plane a downgraded jet...when the propeller plane came first.
2184  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Atelier Ayesha on: April 03, 2012, 03:14:49 PM
I have to completely disagree on all points.

Your D&D/Pathfinder example is ridiculous.  Have you ever played D&D?  Yes mages have weapons besides their spells, but the damage-dealing potential isn't even the same order of magnitude.  If anything they're worse than an Atelier alchemist fighting with physical attacks.  And wands...wands essentially are alchemy items...

The 'stand in the middle of combat' thing is exactly what pretty much every JRPG does (which Ar Tonelico being one notable exception...so I don't know why you think it's similar to Ar Tonelico...).

They're strengths are completely relevant the entire game.  I never had trouble keeping spare alchemy items in stock, without needing New Game+.  Particular in Totori, where combat was far more relevant than Rorona.  Totori was my main damage-dealer even early on.

Finally, I think you are exaggerating how 'weak' the alchemists are far too much.  Yes their stats are lower, but not by that much.  They can still take hits.  It's nothing like Ar Tonelico.  It's much, much more like the standard mage type you will find in any other JRPG.

As far as there not being any male alchemists who fit that archetype, did you play Atelier Iris?  Klein was pretty useless without alchemy (though again, with it he was probably the best damage-dealer in the game).

So yeah, I literally can't agree with a single thing you said.
2185  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Atelier Ayesha on: April 03, 2012, 02:56:36 PM
If they want to make another Ar Tonelico game just make one; stop forcing that series' mechanic into Atelier.

I don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about there...

I think in the sense it's about protecting weak characters so they can do their "strong" thang.

Eh?  But that's been part of RPGs since Dungeons and Dragons.  It's one of the most basic types of party dynamics.
2186  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Atelier Ayesha on: April 03, 2012, 02:44:36 PM
Uh...the alchemists are extremely useful in combat.  I think they're some of the most powerful characters in battle.  Yeah they're useful because of their alchemy toys, but so what?  That's like criticizing a mage for only being useful for magic...

If they want to make another Ar Tonelico game just make one; stop forcing that series' mechanic into Atelier.

I don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about there...
2187  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 on: April 03, 2012, 02:25:41 PM

That was an April Fools joke you know...
2188  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Dragon Age 2 on: April 03, 2012, 03:06:46 AM
A lot of DA2 haters here...

It's definitely a flawed game.  It was obviously very rushed (the constant dungeon reuse and limited number of locations being the most obvious points), but I honestly like what the game was trying to do better than the original.  It's telling a much more nuanced political story that takes place over the course of a long period of time.  I liked the story.  I liked the character interaction, even though I didn't always like the characters.  Party members had actual goals and motivations that went beyond following you around and doing whatever you wanted them to.  Some times they were dicks, but they generally well-motivated dicks.  I honestly think trying to please all your party members is the wrong way to play the game.  I played the game in-character and had a significant number of people leave over the course of the game, but I'm fine with that.  It made more sense to me than trying to bend over backwards to please them.

I honestly think DA2 is a much more original and ambitious game than DA:O, but it was crippled by a rushed development process.
2189  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Google Maps's April Fools joke on: March 31, 2012, 04:16:04 PM
Wow, I saw this earlier but I didn't realize it affected street view too!  Awesome ;)
2190  Media / Miscellaneous Games / Re: Asura's Wrath on: March 30, 2012, 09:48:46 PM
What?!  Capcom is charging money for new content?!  That extends the game?  How dare they!  Get the torches and pitchforks!  DLC should just be for palette swaps and disc unlocks!

Seriously, do you guys even know what you're complaining about anymore?
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