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2641  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Gamescom on: August 16, 2011, 04:52:32 PM
New PSP model at least for Europe, sans wi-fi.

... Who the fuck takes out Wi-Fi in this day and age? And for that little of a price drop? Assuming it was 130 euros over there, because 99 euros comes out to $143.

To be honest I almost never use the wifi on my PSP.  If I want PSN content I just download it on my PS3 and transfer it over USB.  The PSP doesn't do background downloads which makes it a pain to work with (unless you like sitting around watching bars) and it doesn't seem to play well with WPA2 networks either.  And I don't have any multiplayer PSP games.

I can't see anyone buying this in Japan, though, where the success of the PSP is so closely tied to the success of ad-hoc multiplayer games like Monster Hunter.  Having a cheaper PSP model is a good idea but this does seem like a strange way to do it.

In other news, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Vita Resistance game.  I though it was probably the most significant announcement at Sony's conference.  FPSs aren't really my thing, but the Vita is the first portable device that looks like it will actually be any good at them, and this is the first concrete game we've seen (vague allusions to CoD Vita don't count...).  Plus your character is a fireman, which means he can instantaneously summon a fire ax at any point in time regardless of what's already in his hands.  That's how being a fireman works, right?
2642  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Loose ends... the games we have not finished and should we? on: August 13, 2011, 06:31:05 PM
I not only finished Xenosaga II without cheating, I did all of the sidequests, including the incredibly obnoxious Captain Mathews' debt thing...

I...I don't know why I did it.  Looking back on it I still don't understand...such a waste of time.  It's too bad PS2 games don't have trophies 'cause I would have platinumed that mofo.  But I have yet to do so with a single PS3 game (and I'm starting to think I never will...).
2643  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy Type 0 on: August 13, 2011, 03:34:34 PM
Are you guys for real?  Nobody wants multiple discs if they can avoid it, especially in a portable system.  This isn't like a console where your cases are going to be lined up in a stand next to it.  This means that wherever you take your PSP you have to make sure to schlep around an extra UMD because you don't know when you'll make it to disc 2.  It's a pain in the ass, not a feature.  Not to mentiion that PSN versions of PSP games don't support multi-UMD games (sorry, Go owners...). 

And UMDs are not that big.  They hold 1.8 gigs, which is hardly impressive these days.  Are you really that surprised that there could be games that fill up multiple discs?  I'm sure there would be a lot more out there if companies didn't take special effort to make sure their games fit on a single disc.

But no, I'm sure they're just doing it to please the two people in the world who buy games based on how many discs they come on...
2644  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy Type 0 on: August 13, 2011, 02:00:36 AM
If it was a cartridge based console, then yes, the costs would be significant, but with optical disc based media its not quite as bad as you would think. Think back to the PSX days, games would come on 3-4 CDs and no one really complained about the manufacturing costs.

Manufacturing costs aren't as big an issue of the extra packaging and distribution costs.  Is it a big amount?  No.  But it's still an additional cost that, given the choice, no company would want to take.  It adds up.

In the PSX days it was common because it was largely unavoidable.  That's really not the case anymore.

I don't know weather the PSP hardware and Dev Kit are capable of lossless compression, so I won't argue here.
We also forgot the simplest reason. Marketing. You already have an example of someone thinking the game will deep because its on two disks. MGS4 claimed to take up the entire Blue Ray disc to achieve the same kind of effect.

Are you seriously suggesting that they would add another disc just for marketing?  The only people who would base a buying decision on the number of discs are crazed and ignorant fans who are thankfully a minority.  About the MGS4 thing, I assure you that 99% of people don't know or care how much of the blu-ray was filled.  The only reason that even came up as much as it has is because of Sony fanboys using the game to justify the PS3's use of blu-ray.

Besides, disc swapping is a pain in the ass.  Nobody likes doing it if it's avoidable.  That and multi-disc PSP games apparently cause problems for having PSN versions (though I still can't figure out why).
2645  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution Thread (merged) on: August 13, 2011, 01:46:31 AM
IGN had a brief livestream of playing the game with some of the developers today.  For the most part it looked pretty good but there was one thing that really bothered me:  They showed off part of a boss fight that they admit was unavoidable.  After all this talk about being able to play the game different ways, stealth, social/hacking etc. they stick in boss fights where you have no choice and just have to slug it out.  Also the fight itself was rather underwhelming.  It was just some dude with a ton of hit points and bad aim, leading to a drawn-out war of attrition.  It seemed very video gamey (if you know what I mean) and was a startling contrast from the quick kills in most of the game.

In a way it reminded me of Batman: Arkham Asylum, another game with lots of stealth aspects, quick take-downs, etc. but crappy boss fights.  But Arkham Asylum at least never advertised itself as a play-however-you-want-to kind of game.  Of course it was still an excellent game despite the crappy boss fights, so it's not a death sentence or anything.
2646  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy Type 0 on: August 12, 2011, 04:52:59 PM
Just the fact that it is taking two discs should be an indication of how deep this game will be.

How is this an indication of depth? If anything, it means that the game will likely have a lot of cut-scenes and possibly uncompressed texture packs and sound.

While I certainly agree with the sentiment that number of discs does not imply depth, it's silly to think that they would spread the game across two discs to avoid compression.  The affect of any decent compression algorithm on quality is virtually undetectable.  (Indeed sometimes there isn't any effect at all.  There is such a thing as lossless compression.)  And the effect of having multiple discs on manufacturing, packaging, and distribution costs is significant.

As for the cutscenes from what we've seen in the demo they seem to be mostly in-engine.  That shouldn't take up nearly as much space as pre-rendered stuff.

I would venture a guess that there's going to be a lot of content in this game.
2647  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy Type 0 on: August 12, 2011, 03:07:38 AM
It's a pretty meaty demo.  I was waiting until I got through at least most of it before commenting.

The Good:
  • Top-notch production values as always.  Game looks great (for a PSP game, anyway), runs smooth.
  • Combat is quite fun.  Different characters really feel and play differently.  Wide variety of enemies require different tactics.
  • Missions are interesting and dynamic.  Yeah it's mostly just scripted stuff but the world really comes alive.
  • The world looks big, at least.  Hard to really tell from a demo, though.
  • Great music!

The Bad:
  • That camera.  Ugh.  It can completely screw up in close-quarters so you don't know what's what.  And even with lock-on and the like I still really wish there was another analog stick...
  • Difficulty spikes.  I had some similar experiences to what Alisha mentioned.  After the intro stuff it's easy to pick a mission you have absolutely no chance in.  I found myself having to reply old missions to grind.  Grinding...in a demo, for Christ sake!  I don't know, maybe if you stuck to the same party of three the whole time and leveled them up it wouldn't be as bad but I of course want to try out all of the characters.

The Uncertain
  • It hardly even feels like a Final Fantasy game.  This can be good or bad depending on your perspective but the whole militaristic feel, mission-based structure, and the nature of the combat is a big departure for the series.
  • Only got bits and pieces of the story, so that's still a big unknown.

Overall I really enjoyed it.  It's a big departure for the series but there's the potential for a really fun game here.  They are supposed to still be tweaking the camera and the difficulty spikes might just be a result of the demo jumping around.  I know I am certainly more excited for this game than anything else S-E is working on...

Now if only S-E would say something about releasing this in the West...
2648  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy Type 0 on: August 10, 2011, 03:50:34 PM
Everyone is fully dressed and I haven't seen any gravity defying hairstyles. Who designed these wacky, outrageous characters?

Don't worry, they got you covered:

The downloadable demo also includes summer clothing items for fourteen characters.


Eh, it's just summer versions of their uniforms.  I think one of the earlier andriasang articles had pics.  Looked pretty normal...well, other than the miniskirts thing.  But I guess that is normal for Japan.
2649  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: PlayStation Vita Announced (late 2011, $249/$299 for WiFi/3G+WiFI) + some games on: August 10, 2011, 03:24:49 PM
Well now I'll have to pay attention to the Vita. Is it confirmed that it can play PSP games?

Wasn't that confirmed a long time ago?  Of course there is no UMD drive so you need PSN versions.  Though Sony did hint at the possibility of re-releasing PSP games on Vita memory cards.  I don't know how likely that's going to be outside of a handful of high-profile titles, though.
2650  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy Type 0 on: August 10, 2011, 02:49:44 PM
Everyone is fully dressed and I haven't seen any gravity defying hairstyles. Who designed these wacky, outrageous characters?

Well at least the girls are still going into combat wearing miniskirts.
2651  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy Type 0 on: August 10, 2011, 01:24:17 PM
Looks like the demo will be available from the game's official site as well, so even those of you without Japanese PSN accounts should be able to grab it.  It's supposed to be up sometime between 12:30 and 13:00 Japan time today...which is tomorrow for them.  Er, you know what I mean.
2652  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Internet Dating, A.K.A. How to Scar Yourself Forever on: August 10, 2011, 01:46:51 AM
Who wants to date normal people?  Normal people are boring.
2653  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The Merged Final Fantasy XIII-2 Thread on: August 09, 2011, 06:58:45 PM
Final Fantasy Versus XIII won't be at TGS + Other S-E TGS line-up news

I don't even know if I should be annoyed or indifferent about this anymore. Versus XIII was announced in 2006, I was in Highschool when they announced this thing.

Come on, did anyone actually expect it at TGS?  It's pretty clear now that these games weren't even really in development when they were announced.  At least Type-0 is coming soon.

This game is going to suffer the "Osborne effect" just like Duke Nukem Forever.

I don't think that term means what you think it means...
2654  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: PAX 2011 on: August 09, 2011, 03:09:39 AM
Well it started in Bellevue across the lake but quickly grew too large for the convention center over there.  It had a pretty different feel to it back then...not like the mega event it has become today.  Really, this convention has grown in size insanely fast.

And of course there's also PAX East in Boston now but that's its own thing.
2655  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: PlayStation Vita Announced (late 2011, $249/$299 for WiFi/3G+WiFI) + some games on: August 09, 2011, 03:00:52 AM
Disgaea 3 confirmed for Vita.  It was hinted at before but now we know.  All DLC included plus some new content...maybe I'll actually play this version.
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