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16  Media / Game Journals / Re: Retro Encounter Podcast Thread on: September 08, 2016, 12:36:57 AM
Kingdom Hearts


Peter, get in here, a kindred spirit!

I'm actually all for Star Ocean 2 being on there.  It's not the best on many a level, but it does something right and I love it's weird archaic charm and breakable battle system like crazy.
Claude/Opera are the real MVP.

Am I the only person that preferred the original Persona 4 over Golden?

How so?
17  Media / Game Journals / Re: Retro Encounter Podcast Thread on: September 08, 2016, 12:10:55 AM
I don't know why you like posting memes so much, but it doesn't really contribute to the conversation. I'm not even sure what that one is supposed to imply.

You're not exactly a role model ya'know. :P

Ah, so personal attacks are justified when you think so, got it.



Were you particularly offended and upset that someone didn't like agreeing (but still agreeing) to a point you made?
I feel there are bigger hills to die on, but sure. 

Shame on you Arvis.  Both of you say sorry and play nice, and let's let this lie because it's not important and no one got badly hurt.

Back to the discussion, and i'd still like to hear this top 10 of yours whether or not it 'jives' with the maintream tastes of the podcast. :P
:)
18  Media / Game Journals / Re: Retro Encounter Podcast Thread on: September 07, 2016, 10:56:14 PM
Nah my list would get vetoed because it's too inaccessible.



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Hate to say it, but I find myself agreeing with Lard on almost every point, despite continuing to really dislike his attitude.


You really had to phrase it that way?

You're not exactly a role model ya'know. :P

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I tried listening to the top ten thread and holy fuck it is offensively bad.

Then, whoever said the newer Star Trek movies were better than the old ones? Fuck you, you have legitimately terrible taste. Cutting Nocturne over Mass Effect 2? A complete and utter fucking joke. You are terrible, terrible people.

"Nocturne is too hard! Wahhh! Etrian Odyssey is too hard! Wahhh!"

Christ, somebody get you guys baby's first rpg.

The whining and pissing and moaning about Chrono Cross almost 20 years later is loooooong past the point of being a circlejerk.

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Lastly, people voting for games they'd played either an hour of or they intended to play is fucking retarded. Some of the worst reasoning I have ever heard for including a game on a list.

We're posting a special Dreamcast RPGs episode today, and the next two weeks will be the two Valkyria Chronicles episodes.  It's Sega month!  (total coincidence). After those we have a special 50th episode planned, which is getting posted on the 28th. 

We're still yet to record our first Danganronpa episode due to scheduling difficulties.  If you want to ask a question or make sure we address a specific topic, then post it here or send an email to retro@rpgfan.com.  Thanks for listening and discussing! 

I feel like saying the Dreamcast was a weird system is more right than for any other console mainly because it felt like it was largely made of of "hidden gems", all the time.
19  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The Legend of Zelda Topic (Latest: NX title delayed to '17) on: September 04, 2016, 11:08:36 PM
i think amiibo's are stupid. hey lets make dlc but make you buy a physical item to get it! how does nintendo not get shit on for this?

I kinda like them if for no other reason than owning little Nintendo figures from both popular and sometimes obscure series'.
20  Media / Game Journals / Re: Retro Encounter Podcast Thread on: September 04, 2016, 11:06:19 PM
That's pretty much what we ended up with though.

Eh. Part of some of the Top 10, yeah some are a little predictable; but still, this is usually bound to happen the same way, for example, To Kill a Mockingbird being on just about every "essential books" list or Citizine Kane on an "essential movies" list.  999 or Steambot or .hack or Wild ARMs rarely get their time of day and still at least qualify.  Certain items definitely still stay on a Top list because they are loved (often times justifiably, sometimes maybe not because opinions between folk can differ because that's allowed to happened :P ), but the best part is getting to that most essential.  This was more about the journey and great to hear discussion on lesser presented titles and working through why the best games get through to the next round.

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Destiny is an FPS. Castlevania and Zelda.....just are not RPGs. The "rpg elements" thing just doesn't hold water. And yes, RPGfan has covered visual novels. But are they RPGs? No. Do they have any of these "RPG elements"? No. If you're going to start including those games, you might as well include Tetris.

Agree to disagree.  Again, I don't see genres nearly as neatly as you do, and I'm happy that what this site covers isn't under some complete rigid guidelines so it can cover more titles, many I probably wouldn't have checked out or heard of unless this site picked it up.

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Poor taste in one thing is often reflected in other things. Hence why we got stuff like Destiny and ME2 on the list.

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Yes, really. EO4 is easily the most accessible of the EO games, maybe next to EOUntold 1 and 2. They don't even define what "accessible" means. It sounded like an excuse to get rid of Nocturne so they could predictably include Persona 4. If these games are so "inaccessible", maybe they should stick to Guardian's Crusade and Magical Starsign.

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I've never said that CC doesn't have its own issues, it's just that the constant complaint and criticism of the game since it came out is "It's not Chrono Trigger 2", which is a terrible complaint.

Half the reasoning for getting rid of games/keeping games was terrible.

"DQ Monsters is better than DQ 5! No, get rid of DQ Monsters because it's too similar to Pokemon!"

"I haven't played ME2, but I intend to". (Which is the shittiest ME game, because it's no more than a gaiden at best and barely qualifies as an RPG)

"I've only played an hour of Steambot Chronicles, but I like soandso's enthusiasm for the game".

Really? THAT's why games got kept? At least the argument for FF4 vs. FF6 was an actual, substantial argument I could understand, even if I didn't agree with it.

And yes, the fact that non-rpgs got on the list and Suikoden 2 wasn't makes it invalid from the start.



I'm not sure why you're treating this as an iron-clad, matter-of-fact, be-all-end-all list.  I took this as more as a game between a few editors to pick out a few shining RPG examples and work them into a list and find a bunch of titles they like best and argue for their favour.  Who knows, maybe we'll follow up on the idea again in the future with a new batch of staff to represent their own ideas and favourites; this isn't a site feature (of which usually gets a lot more of the staff to weigh in on, not the 5 people who 'signed up' for this), but a podcast where things get discussed in a pretty informal roundabout.  Again, if you can read any tone from their discussion, you can probably guess even the podcasters probably wouldn't even call that a definitive list (and in my personal opinion, it's not mine either but still reflects a lot of stronger titles worth looking at, whether it's the looking at the Top 10 or even the 40 qualifiers).

If you're this sour about the choices, make your own forum post or write the site to do your fan-submitted feature.  I'd honestly be interested in your personal Top 10 if theirs ticked you off so much.  :/
21  Media / Game Journals / Re: Retro Encounter Podcast Thread on: September 04, 2016, 02:57:05 AM
I tried listening to the top ten thread and holy fuck it is offensively bad.

I think that's the point.  But I kinda like the fact there's a lot of more personal choices here, it makes the list more interesting otherwise you're left with yet another boring list where CT is in the top three, Final Fantasy 6/7 are on there (or FF1 for "starting it all"), Skyrim, and some Pokemon game (whether deserving it or not, it'll be there for cultural impact), etc, etc.  

A lot of these Top___ lists all start looking the same after a while, so it was fun listening to this and starting with 40 and work on chiseling that list down.

I thought it got humorously salty by the end, I think it's pretty clear a lot of games loved by one wasn't shared by all.  x)

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First of all, Destiny, Castlevania, Zelda, 999 and VLR are NOT RPGs.

If you include 999 and VLR, then you end up having to include stuff like Professor Layton or Hotel Dusk.  

Destiny is one of those games I think is really hard to narrow down to one genre.  MMO, first person shooter, action RPG, lootin-tootin-like-Halo-but-isn't-online-shared-world-shooter.  Castlevania and Zelda (Breath of the Wild more than ever) has RPG elements even if they're not traditional RPGs.  And RPGFan has, for many years, kept visual novel titles (or visual novel 'types') as part of what they cover.  

Also, does this really truly matter?  The site still avoids sports game coverage or other obvious examples of non-RPGs; and a lot of games can't or shouldn't always fit neatly into one category, and I sincerely doubt a basic one-size-fits-all definition for an RPG can exist without someone listing exceptions.  

Plus, it beats calling the site MMOvisualnovelPUZZLEactionRPGfan. :P

And, I dunno, I kinda like the variety, I'm kinda glad they didn't have to narrow from 40 games of games with random battles and a level up system for [bad] example.

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Then, whoever said the newer Star Trek movies were better than the old ones? Fuck you, you have legitimately terrible taste. Cutting Nocturne over Mass Effect 2? A complete and utter fucking joke. You are terrible, terrible people.

Opinions, right?  I think there's highs and lows to the Star Trek flicks throughout its cinema history.  No need to tell them to fuck themselves or take it so personally (I hope this is sort of just 'an act').  I know you've said things I don't agree with but I sure haven't stuck 'f's on you.  

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"Nocturne is too hard! Wahhh! Etrian Odyssey is too hard! Wahhh!"

They mentioned in a matter of accessibility.  And if a game is so hard it came hamper your enjoyment why WOULDN'T it be docked from the staff talking about a Top 10 list up of largely personal choices?  Hell, the games still ranked, I think that's pretty stellar; I didn't think they were completely shitting on the series, it has its fans, we know its strengths, it's just not part of their essentials (and found it harder to find an audience because of the sort-of "game" being played here of keeping or cutting titles).  

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Christ, somebody get you guys baby's first rpg.

Heh, really??

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Lastly, the whining and pissing and moaning about Chrono Cross almost 20 years later is loooooong past the point of being a circlejerk. It's the exact same bullshit excuse that people criticise Legend of Mana.

They wanted an exact copy of the SNES game with PS1 graphics. They didn't get it. Then they threw a temper tantrum. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

I could not care less about CT>CC's legacy, I still LOVE both games, and I think they're both flawed.  Have at me.  I also think your comment in the second part there is hardly unique, a lot of people are pretty aware CC isn't CT, it doesn't mean it doesn't have its own set of issue even apart from the "Chrono Trigger 2" idea.  Again, Chrono Cross still ranked here, so it's obviously valued.  And besides the "weirdness" around Cross's initial release, I haven't really seen people taking to the internet to actively diss and shoot down the title.  It's also going to inevitably be compared with one of the biggest and best-known RPG darlings because Cross is a follow-up to that game.  They can and will be compared, and it's unfortunate that Chrono Trigger has to cast such a big shadow.  
22  Media / Game Journals / Re: Josh blindly flails his way through a natural magic/no esper run of FFVI -hiatus on: September 02, 2016, 12:50:12 AM
also, Shadow already died and I'm not going back for him.

Well that's that then.

Also, yeah when I was a kid and this came out and I saw my older brother finish the timed section of the Floating Continent I was on pins and needles the whole time.  Shit like that isn't meant for a 6 year old, and waiting for Shadow to come back without any internet help or prior knowledge is absolutely nerve-wracking.

Also I feel I need to replay the game or does the game spend as little time explaining the amazing power of the Warring Triad than I thought? I always hated when Shadow fucks up their alignment even more. xD
23  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Blue Reflection on: September 01, 2016, 11:16:24 PM
EDIT: Speaking of music, I never understood how "but you both like music" is ever a good enough reason to try and set two people up on a date.  I mean, EVERYone likes music.  Even the hearing impaired like music.   

I met someone who didn't apparently think much of music. I knew immediately they were not someone I would need to know in my life.
24  Media / General Games / Re: Misc. Gaming News Topic on: August 31, 2016, 11:13:28 PM

*breathes in*

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!

I love these.  Good or bad, something about a mass amount of announcements is like waiting for videogame news from magazines all over again.

Yeah. Its too bad that I won't be able to watch this live.

Me neither.  Time to go incognito at work and hit the potty for a while.

... :|
25  Media / Anime, TV, and Movies / Re: Anime/Manga Journal on: August 30, 2016, 08:14:47 PM
I think Precure is the one TV show that can cause cavities because of how amazingly saccharine its themes and visuals are.
26  Media / General Games / Re: Misc. Gaming News Topic on: August 30, 2016, 08:07:35 PM

*breathes in*

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!

I love these.  Good or bad, something about a mass amount of announcements is like waiting for videogame news from magazines all over again.
27  Media / Anime, TV, and Movies / Re: Anime/Manga Journal on: August 27, 2016, 03:36:15 AM
Hm, have you guys seen Mirai Nikki? It looks kind of interesting despite the deranged kind of subject matter...

I liked the opening music sometimes. That's the nicest thing I can say about it.

lmao!
I actually really resonate with this, I favorited the opening on youtube, I liked the visuals and thought the tune worked well...went back to it recently and didn't see what i saw.

Anyways.
I watched the second Urusei Yatsura movie.  Lum: Beautiful Dreamer.  Holy shit I loved it, done by Mamoru Oshii, he adds quite a 'deep spin' to a comedic series.  It also has some of the best funny faces I've ever seen.
28  Media / Game Journals / Re: Retro Encounter Podcast Thread on: August 26, 2016, 08:09:15 PM
Dear god this podcast....
you all have terrible, terrible opinions.

The top 20 is...not bad, butt i'm scared for the top 10.
29  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: August 25, 2016, 07:52:44 PM
Even at its worst, the Hawaii heat wasn't that bad because it's a tropical climate. 

:(

haps:

HavingExperiencing a bit of a fruit fly incident.

I hate fruit flies.  I also hate flies in general.  Three times this summer they've flown into my drink.  What a waste of a drink and their life.
30  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The Final General Fantasy Discussion Thread on: August 20, 2016, 10:50:24 AM
I was looking at some of the more recent Dissidia images when I noticed something.  In the image depicting Terra Branford from FF VI, she is depicted with green hair.  She's supposed to be a blonde.  When did they change this?

Her standard in-game appearance is the blonde version:


A lot of her chibi appearances (Theatrhythm, World of FF) switch her back to green to match the sprite (and, my theory, to add some hair colour to the cast because from Bartz on you get Brunette, Blonde, Blonde, Brunette, Blonde, Blonde, Blonde, and Blonde, and c-c-combo breaker Lightning has Pink hair).
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