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46  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: September 24, 2014, 04:00:19 AM
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And you seem to have lost some perspective.  Have the FF titles really gotten worse over time? Or have other contemporary titles just caught up to them?  Both?

No, I think it's fair to say they've become worse. The first ten or so Final Fantasies had a clear focus, a story they wanted to tell. Those stories may have had their flaws and the gameplay wasn't always as innovative as it could have been, but the games were solid products.

Then Final Fantasy became a Very Big and Important Thing to Square Enix. Sure, it had always been Squaresofts biggest series, but they had plenty of other franchises to be proud of. But things happened (like the financial ouchie The Spirits Within caused), talent left and the number of projects they could take on became more limited. As a result Final Fantasy became the basket they wanted to put nearly all their eggs into. That's a big risk to take, so they wanted to put everything they got into that single franchise, resulting in a big mess of ideas and seemingly endless development times.

Final Fantasy XIII was a game build on some decent ideas, but went through three very different producers while in development (which took over 5 years!). It's kinda noticable.

Now look at Final Fantasy XIII. Humans living in a giant cocoon up in the sky, unaware of what their protectors are planning for them? A ragtag team of heroes being hunted down by the society they were once part of, trying to make a last stand for better or worse? That's pretty cool. But then they couldn't stop adding bullshit, throwing endless amounts of fantasy words at confused players. The sequels by adding time travel, the end of the world, valkyries and what else was going on. Square Enix wanted the games to do everything and be everything, rarely acknowledging their own limits.

Anyway, the faux retro The 4 Heroes of Light was the Final Fantasy game I had the most fun with in the past five years, so perhaps you should take make opinion with a grain of salt.

Anyway II (and actually on-topic), I think I'll be able to take down Ar nosurge's final boss today. Didn't enjoy this installment as much as the first two games (it's too light on gameplay for me), but I'm glad they toned down the fanservice and the music is a awesome as ever. I'm pretty impressed with myself for recognising Origa (she sung two of the hymmns), because I'm not exactly a big music fan and had no idea she lend her skills to the game.

Absolutely agree on the FF series analysis.  And given that the last 5+ years have been spent talking about the FNC "saga", FF15 has since become its own thing (but apparently connected a bit), FF14 is taking a second go to being an online game, and people are pretty sick of Lightning by this point since third time wasn't a charm ---- no wonder it's easy to be nostalgic about the FF series otherwise, we've been living along the "new games" for so long, and the older titles felt a bit stronger on their own, no?  FF15 has me excited but I'm worried as hell it's going to goof at some point; if not the gameplay (which I'm hoping they can at least manage) then perhaps some silly/pretentious melodrama that plagued most of the FF13 cast and needless complications in the plot.

IIRC, FF12 went through a director change midway through.... Given the start of the game and the end, you can kinda really tell.

Anyways, doing a replay of Xillia 2 kinda pissed me off for the same reason.  Its got good ideas; but the ideas feel somewhat jammed into a plot it doesn't belong to (though I respect the darker approach and better development of the original characters) and the gameplay (while a more concise version of what the first game had) adds next to *nothing* new.  This game being a full $60 price tag almost feels weird, in other words.  It's funny, because like 13-2, I find the sequel better.... but something is way off.

I really want to play Ar No Surge, but the lack of gameplay (which is apparently no exaggeration) has me sort of on the fence.  Is the plot segments at least a good listen to??
EDIT [II]: Nevermind, I saw your detailed post in the 'Ar' topic

I think I'm gonna keep playing FF7 a bit; it was fun getting peoples responses from that (speaking of 'Final Fantasy nostalgia').
47  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The Legend of Legacy on: September 23, 2014, 10:55:03 PM
That title has me sold.

Its almost as good as The Legend of Legendary Heroes.

Divine Divinity is up there too.


Also.... that logo looks kind familliar.

Anyways, I'm with Ygg, gorgeous splash page music.  Hope we get it here cuz companies are all like "Hey Brave Defaulty could do it, maybe we can too!"
48  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The Legend of Legacy on: September 23, 2014, 10:23:41 PM
That title has me sold.
49  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: September 23, 2014, 12:21:47 PM
Final Fantasy VII
(ongoing)

= I wonder if anyone in the slums, right next door, were angry or jealous of Aeris' massive 'estate'.  Seriously, it's perfect.  There's even a waterfall in the back (wtf)?

= I haven't played this game in years.  Anyone else notice a very maternal vibe from a ton of the female characters?

= Aeris: Is Tifa....a girl?
 Cloud: >No >>Yeah *click*
Aeris: Oh, that's nice.  So that's nice.
>___>  Jealousy is ugly or the translation is that spotty.  Be great if the PSX games could get a reworked translation for their steam releases.

= Aw, why did the FF titles stop their crazy amounts of cursing in the games?  Barret [and cid] are hilarious.

= I love love love the fuck out of the Menu Portraits.  The high contrast and blue shadowing is gorgeous to look at.  For as much as I love FF9, the rough CG portraits did nothing for me.  HAND DRAWN BABY.

To be fair, the comment was made humorously, play what you like and all that. I know quite a few people enjoy xiii, no matter how much I felt that it was a poor title. But I am thoroughly scared that any more sales of it will give SE the idea to try a new sequel....this time starring Snow...the horror.

Careful, you don't wanna stir supporters into a [minimum] two page debate about this game again.

I think the time has finally come... Time to dust off my PS3 and tackle FFXIII. Wish me luck.
NOOOOOOOOOOO, DDDOOOONNNNNNNN'TTTTT DDDDOOOOOOO ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!#!


tell us how you really feel...
I really feel like any money put into XIII will give squeenix the idea that we want another sequel....no one wants that.

Don't worry, Lightning Returns bombed hard enough that they're never gonna give anything done in that game a second shake (despite being the best thing to come of that ridiculous trilogy/compilation).

I think the second game was alright; but the pretty mediocre reviews kept me away from the third game (at least paying full price).  I was gonna ask if it's actually worth it.... but I really can't see myself caring until the game hits like $10 or some amount during a Steam Sale.

As a whole and with the entire series is mind, I'm curious what kind of legacy the FF13 saga will leave.
50  Media / Anime, TV, and Movies / Re: Recently watched Episodes of TELEVISION BOX offerings! on: September 23, 2014, 01:54:04 AM
GOTHAM.

Ooookaaay.

= As far as a Pilot goes: Great job!  They managed a bit of everything happening at once.  Action, mystery, misdirection, romance, allusions, references, and some characterization.

= Saying that, the actors don't seem too cozy with their roles just yet.  But that's common for pilot episodes and a big hurdle to overcome.

= The complaint about being hit with a TON of 'future villains' is true.  Shit, let's just get 'em all in there.  Worse is how completely unsubtle it is.  Ivy? LOTSA PLANTS.  Penguin? BUM LEG, POINTY NOSE.  Selina Kyle? STEALS MILK FOR CATS.  Riddler? WHAT AM I? A QUESTION! 
I was half expecting a bat to weep with Bruce Wayne when his parents get shot.

= The director of photography and cinematographer did a stand up job.  Definitely made a TV show feel less like 'TV'.

= I just made fun of her, but holy shit if their actress for Selina Kyle didn't look like she had kitten DNA.  Her wide eyes, straight nasal nose, and tiny chin make her look like a real-life kitty cat.


= Anyways, it was bumpy.  Great in some places, kinda hammy in others.  But I wanna follow it. I think it's a cool idea being played out in the right time.
51  Media / Anime, TV, and Movies / Re: Doctor Who on: September 23, 2014, 01:41:43 AM
Smith as the Jar Jar Binks of doctors....  I get it and I giggled, but that's still a pretty low comparison even if you think he dodged the bullet. x)

LOVED the latest episode.  I thought it was just a ton of fun and worked the 'Who-Formula' really well.  Capaldi is fast becoming a favourite doctor for me.
52  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Gained in translation on: September 23, 2014, 12:23:13 AM
I still end up saying You-fee, Sheen-ra, Kate Sith and Tee-fuh in my head while I play even though I know better. 

You-fee is right (Yu [ユ] and -fi [フィ]), "Kate Sith" I dunno (for whatever reason I went for the rhyme: Cait-Saith cuz it amused me or something...I dunno I was 10), and Tifa is right as well.


This game's opening in English was sung by...



http://youtu.be/ezkMLIdE-Kg

I gotta admit, I do like the voice and her singing is near perfect. It's just that it was a pretty cheesy pop song in the first place, so in english I can't help but be distracted by how stupid the lyrics are, but that wasn't a problem when the words were in Japanese. <_<

Honestly, I find a lot of Japanese lyrics positively baffling most of the time or on some level of poetry that I can't even begin to take on.

So I'm just gonna post this
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I have no idea to this day what those two Italian ladies were singing about. Truth is, I don't want to know. Some things are best left unsaid. I'd like to think they were singing about something so beautiful, it can't be expressed in words, and makes your heart ache because of it.

- Red
53  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Gained in translation on: September 22, 2014, 11:24:46 PM
Playing FF7 right now.

Aeris > Aerith (I just think the 'incorrect' one rolls off the tongue better).
54  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Youtube on: September 22, 2014, 04:25:08 PM
http://youtu.be/rYcSqIuqkz4

Reporter quits on the air with a "fuck it" over marijuana news story.

I love funny news blips; nothing better than the candid moments on live TV.
55  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality. on: September 22, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
FFXV will indeed have a male-only cast; and the road trip aspect will be a big part of it.



I still don't mind (if it's important for story purposes, let it be; this certainly and fairly contrasts FFX-2's all-female cast), but I doubt I'm the only one who likes running around as a female character than a fella sometimes.....especially when the main cast looks like and is dressed like a JPOP band (probably the last lingering thing thats bugged me about this game, and I would be all over costume DLC).

The game is also apparently about 50-60% complete! I don't now why I'm surprised by that, but I was a bit.  ...yay!

Meh. After the New Adventures of a J-Pop Girl Band that was FFX-2, the idea of going on the Many Adventures of a J-Pop Boy Band doesn't bother me that much. My only issue is if they're truly going to embrace the Road Trip, do something silly like going Road Warrior, or do what they usually do which is nothing but awful, disjointed, melodramatic meandering.

FFX-2's ladies were at least something "fancy" to look at: They didn't all wear all black and only black.  I'm mostly speaking design-wise they're annoying to look at (not the all-male sausagefest).  I get that black duds are "cool as fuck", but c'mon, people attend funerals wearing more color than that.

All male cast...booo.

Agent D likes some pretty ladies to back up the crew.


But for real, who in their right mind thought bringing back cloud's hairstyle could be a good thing?

The supporting females look purdy at least. :S

And Google J or K Pop boy bands and you'll see their hair dos are more or less culturally 'in the now'.
56  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: September 22, 2014, 01:29:55 PM
I reeeeally don't want to restart Star Ocean 4 after getting so far, but you guys are tempting me to get the PS3 version just so I don't have to deal with the disk swapping.

Your're not the only one.
For years now I've debated about getting the PS3 version and replaying it while this time ignoring the story completely.
Maybe I could make peace with this game by doing so... but I don't because I don't want to pay any more money for it.

Oh but SO4 has handled their shitty cutscenes THE BEST.
A skip option followed by a one paragraph summary of what you "missed".
57  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality. on: September 22, 2014, 12:37:10 PM
That trailer had me excited.

Everything that has come up after the trailer has me disappointed.

If the road trip is the entire game, then they haven't learned their lesson from XIII about making RPG's too linear. In fact, at least XIII didn't really *feel* linear in terms of settings and story, but if 90% of FFXV is a story of"Get from point A to point B," then I really don't have much interest in it.

Yeah, I'm kinda worried the game might have a small scope in order to feed into a FF15-2.
58  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: September 22, 2014, 12:24:39 PM
One thing though, SO4 on 360 is even more awful than the PS4 version (I'm assuming it is since talking of Vesperia). That's one thing to consider.
The constant CD swapping when you get to the end really sucks.

Oh dear lord, I forgot about that (*Has PS4 Ver.*).
It was something stupid too, wasn't it?  Like not even a certain event that has the disk cut-off, it's between the overworld fields right?
59  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: September 22, 2014, 12:15:21 PM
In the meantime, been trying to decide which to start first: Tales of Vesperia, or SO: The Last Hope. I've had both in my possession for years, but never got around to playing either one. Haven't played a JRPG in quite some time, actually.

Hmm.

Vesperia: Probably one of the best casts in the Tales-series made by their excellent chemistry and hundreds of skits.  Graphically, I'd argue it's the most impressive of the released Tales games to date (Zesteria finally looking better than Graces and Xillia, in my opinion).  The world map is almost perfect to walk around; it looks gorgeous and has a lot of corners worth exploring.  Sadly, the story isn't very strong and suffers a strange third act of silly plot twists, unnecessary bad guys, and an unfortunately abrupt ending (ToV2 one day????? :D).  The battle system starts pretty stiff; but once you start opening up more battle skills and battle mechanics it becomes a ton of fun.  The game easily clocks 60 hours with the amount of side content (some you might need a guide for or risk losing some rewards).  The music is typical Tales, some nice tracks, some very forgettable.  The game has a lovely atmosphere and is regarded as a favourite among many fans (hence the clamouring for the slightly improved PS3 version).

Star Ocean: A garbage plot and barely enjoyable cast of walking anime tropes; if a character isn't "okay", then someone else is absolutely stupid and groan-worthy to listen to (even Matt Mercer, the VA for Edge, thought it was hammy).  The music is slightly better than Vesperia's (though Motoi Sakuraba's non-Tales work largely tends to be better), and the graphics are very nice (the overworld areas are especially)....but sometimes off-putting (the common complaint being "doll-like").  However, if it shines *anywhere* it's within its battle system which is very, very fun.  It's also one of those nice titles that requires you to use the game mechanics than just simply grind your way through.  Customizing becomes very important for late-game and end-game and the title, like many Star Oceans, becomes fun to break when you can get to that point.

Safer Recommendation: Vesperia
Better Title: Vesperia (better balance)

I still wouldn't discount SO4 though for the battle system alone.  I actually go a little crazy when people completely *ignore* the gameplay when talking about Star Ocean in order to solely talk about its [admittedly awful] plot and cast.  I know RPG people love a good story, but I honestly think the gameplay should be worth something here.
60  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality. on: September 22, 2014, 11:28:31 AM
FFXV will indeed have a male-only cast; and the road trip aspect will be a big part of it.



I still don't mind (if it's important for story purposes, let it be; this certainly and fairly contrasts FFX-2's all-female cast), but I doubt I'm the only one who likes running around as a female character than a fella sometimes.....especially when the main cast looks like and is dressed like a JPOP band (probably the last lingering thing thats bugged me about this game, and I would be all over costume DLC).

The game is also apparently about 50-60% complete! I don't now why I'm surprised by that, but I was a bit.  ...yay!
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