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2671  The Rest / General Discussions / Penn and Teller: Bullshit! on Abstinence on: August 25, 2006, 05:39:22 PM
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I didn't really get the "bash abstinence" vibe from them in the video. I thought they were mainly bashing the "abstinence only" movement instead of abistinence itself.


"Tonight's show is about the arbitrary promise of sexual abstinence: remaining a virgin and holding off having sex until some arbitrary cutoff point, like, say...marriage. Might be some new kind of kink, but it's also, BULLSHIT!"

"Kids everywhere are taking pledges not to get laid until marriage...WHAT THE FUCK *hasn't* gotten into them?!"

Granted, after the interview with 4 virgin young adults, Penn says:

"Deciding to remain abstinent because you like the idea is just fine...but imagine deciding at 15 to wait to fuck til you're 25...that's a ten-year striptease."

So, yeah, on the surface, they say they're not bashing abstinence. But earlier quotes seem to imply the general idea that "pledging" abstinence is unrealistic and...well...bullshit, as he said.

Explicitly, they certainly don't go too far in bashing abstinence, but I'd still say there are subtle implications in the monologues that say "yeah...like anyone's REALLY gonna stay a virgin until marriage."

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This is why I like these boards. There's no 15 year old douche ranting about his immature sexual exploits or how much ass he thinks he gets in a week.


Hear hear! Let's all give ourselves a pat on the back for not turning this thread into lame e-peen bragging or flamebait.

Ramza
2672  The Rest / General Discussions / Penn and Teller: Bullshit! on Abstinence on: August 25, 2006, 03:51:55 PM
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I did restate it because Ramza attacked the show and made it sound like Penn and Teller were to hard on the abstinence movement. I agreed with this, but said that even so that does not diminish the stupidity of their misinformation.

He did no such thing.  He said that he felt they went beyond just villainizing the abstinence movement.  He agreed with the show's core point.


Thank you Parn.

Indeed, I did no such thing. I did not say, or even imply, that Penn and Teller were too hard on the abstinence movement. I said that they're too hard on ABSTINENCE...like, as a concept. They basically said, "if you have a brain, you know abstinence is one dumb-ass idea."

As for this...

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Besides, neither I nor P&T are saying that marriage in itself is an arbitrary line.   Just that it's arbitrary to chose marriage as the point when sex magically becomse good, wholesome and morally correct.


If you wanna do some actual *study* on sexual ethics past & present, you'll understand why some people consider marriage the point where sex is morally acceptable. If you'd like to go through the song-and-dance of how it makes sense to a conservative Christian, it goes like this:

There's nothing "magic" about it. You are simply making a commitment to the public and your respective deity that you're going to unite with another person exclusively. Sex doesn't "magically" become good at that point: sex, as a concept, is always good. It's just that it goes bad when people can sleep with whoever, whenever, and set their OWN *arbitrary* standards as to when sex is a good or bad idea.

I'm not force-feeding that message to anyone, even my own children. But the way P&T systematically bash this line of thinking as though it were COMPLETELY unreasonable is about as shameful as...well, as shameful as that militant abstinence movement they're mocking.

Ramza
2673  The Rest / General Discussions / Penn and Teller: Bullshit! on Abstinence on: August 25, 2006, 12:56:13 PM
I know we don't specifically have a rule against it in our boards list, but I for one would appreciate a *warning* regarding nudity in anything you link to. Y'know, the Asian girl that masturbates that they stick all over the show? Yeah, that'd be something worth warning people about.

My thoughts about the topic:

"Abstinence Only" is kind of silly education; it's a kind of prosyletizing, and it's generally done by Christians who find preaching abstinence as holy a practice as preaching salvation.

Rather, if a teenager *decides* they would prefer abstinence only, then it may be worth having an abstinence course for them, in which you can preach to the choir.

To everyone else (and hey, why not, even the abstinent teens too), basics on contraceptives and the like, it can't hurt to know. I know not every teenager is wildly intelligent and thoughtful, but one can assume that after giving the INFORMATION, teens can make moral decisions for themselves.

I'd like to point out, however, that the Penn and Teller episode was shamefully low-brow and more of a jab at conservatives than anything else. They went beyond villainizing the abstinence movement to actually villainizing abstinence, as though it were some IMPOSSIBLE feat (and they also called marriage an "arbitrary line," which is a pretty stupid comment IMO).

In my high school, we were taught all about everything...no abstinence-only preaching. The teaching actually bothered me enough to align myself with groups like CCLI, the Catholic no-contraceptives-so-you-can-be-makin'-babies-like-crazy organization (NFP, Natural Family Planning, all that...my high school gave it a bad rap). So, with enough luck, teaching kids the facts in an objective manner *ought* to push the already-backward-conservative kids (such as myself) to where their conservative parents want them to be, and everyone else has wild sex without getting their bodies into too much havok. Everybody wins.

Ramza
2674  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Always missing out... on: August 20, 2006, 05:32:07 PM
I recently wrote a review that essentially trashes Tao's Adventure. Much the same, John wrote a review trashing LoH 1. An up-and-coming review of LoH 2 will probably involve more trashing. Among handheld RPGs, I'd say you picked the more lame ones.

I highly recommend LostMagic for DS, and for PSP, get Valkyrie Profile. :P

As for Atelier Iris, just wait til AI2 gets to Europe. There will be a special surprise for you when you get it. You'll see. ^^

Ramza
2675  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Always missing out... on: August 20, 2006, 04:17:36 PM
Hello, welcome, and just wanted to say *KUDOS TO YOU* for not just posting a lame introduction thread, but rather having a TOPIC related to the forum we're in. You played it right, and you should be rewarded for it.

*Ramza awards Kup 5 self-esteem points.

There ya go.

As for the topic itself:

I'm an American. I have found through what little importing I've done that the age-old problem of not getting games we want is nearly disappearing. Almost every game on the market is finding its niche now, and about all we're missing are dating-sim games, and even then, Hirameki's bringing the cleaner stuff over. I can't think of a single up-and-coming Japanese RPG that I want that ISN'T planned for US release.

Europeans do have it harder, sure, but there are some very "interesting" European game developers that will leave their products to the continent, so in that sense Americans and Japanese will miss out. Sure they're much fewer and the production quality is relatively lower (budgeting etc), but I've heard of some great EU games.

Ramza
2676  The Rest / General Discussions / PS3 Versus Wii Spoof Video on: August 14, 2006, 07:04:44 PM
The only problem with that video is that Nintendo is so children-friendly that hot-chick-using sexual-innuendo in *no way* represents them. Wii's form of a good time will probably a lot less "cheap" than that (I hope).

Regardless, great vid. I <3 the Bluray part. "Have you even HEARD of BluRay?! IT'S THE FUTURE!!!"
2677  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth on: August 14, 2006, 06:59:32 PM
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And I think writing in first person is bad because when something is stated as a fact, I listen to it more, even though I know it is the reviewer's opinion. I always listen to "The story is bad", but I never listen when people say "I think the story is bad."


I'm sorry, but I HAVE to comment on this. It really needs to be thoroughly thrashed and beaten before this thread dies and/or is locked.

If you really prefer the *veil* of factuality over the honest truth that it is someone's opinion, then you're clearly a simpleton. You started your objection saying that it was bad taste to use the first person, and now you've turned it into personal preference. Your preference, sir, is clearly the minority, and even if it weren't, simple rules of logic state that OPINIONS ought to be presented as such.

Kind of like how "I THINK writing in first person is bad." Even then, you did the *right* thing in showing us that it is your OPINION that writing in first person is bad. There's nothing "objective" about it.

You can't defend yourself. You've lost every reasonable grounds you could have been standing on; and then you threaten to sue people because they see how clearly wrong you are.

And if thousands of kids really ARE committing suicide "due to online harassment", I suspect the real problem is that they were struggling to form solid relationships in person, and in a last-ditch effort went to the internet and failed there too. The problem isn't the internet so much as it is people who struggle to make genuine connections with other people. Not saying it's the fault of the person who commits suicide that no one likes them (that could vary based on many cases), but it's not like the internet is some warm and friendly place to come to after a hard day at school.

Unless you consider pr0n warm and friendly. Then 90% of the internet is yours for the taking.

Ramza
2678  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth on: August 13, 2006, 06:34:07 PM
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Please stop spamming those retarded pictures.


I liked the Batman one.

I also like Valkyrie Profile. I should get a PSP someday.

Ramza
2679  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Ar Tonelico out soon on: August 12, 2006, 01:45:53 PM
I'm not surprised. They've managed to release Blade Dancer in July, Disgaea 2 and August, and in October they have Spectral Souls PSP coming. Had they managed to get ANOTHER title out in 2006, that would've been truly shocking.

So yeah, I too can wait a bit on Ar Tonelico. Now, they just need to PROMISE to bring Grand Fantasm out, even if it's the last PS2 title to come from them. Take their time: I want it.

Ramza
2680  Media / Single-Player RPGs / NISA and Blade Dancer on: August 11, 2006, 04:02:47 PM
All I have is the game's soundtrack. That part is good. As for the game itself, buy me a PSP and I'll tell you my thoughts (compared to Stephen's).

Ramza
2681  The Rest / General Discussions / The president of the United States kicks ass on: August 11, 2006, 03:51:41 AM
From Software made this?

I couldn't be more pleased.

Ramza
2682  The Rest / General Discussions / Ze Picture Thread on: August 09, 2006, 11:46:21 AM
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Hey, I have a question. A few weeks ago some kid walked up to me and asked:"Are you a boy or a girl?" Do I really look like a guy?


Had you been a guy, I would've had to make fun of you for looking so girly.

For what it's worth you look pretty. You look kind of like that girl in Jurassic park. Y'know, the vegetarian?

Ramza
2683  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Summon Night - anyone else grab this? on: August 05, 2006, 12:19:42 PM
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Our review of the title is going up today!


*stares at his calendar*

Ramza
2684  The Rest / General Discussions / Mel Gibson Hates Jews on: August 01, 2006, 03:22:46 AM
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Mel Gibson is racist like Sora. I bet he hates heartless too.


Multi-thread tie-in! It's like a cartoon crossover! Or a cartoon-movie-videogame crossover, like Kingdom Hearts!

EFFING GENIUS

Ramza
2685  The Rest / General Discussions / KH2: Is Sora a racist or discriminater? dun dun dun duuuuun. on: July 31, 2006, 12:03:10 PM
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"Diversity Hearts 2" - Now with more friendship!


If it's anything like South Park's Diversity Concentration Camp, I'm in.

Ramza
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