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1006  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 16, 2011, 11:51:52 PM

Shame the battle system isn't that good - people here know (maybe) I love real-time battles, keeps your mind more active than any turn-based title.  Shame this one isn't all that good... real shame. =(

Actually as a stand alone real-time battle system; it's not bad. Sort of "Tales of..." light. The only reason I'm terribly critical of it is it has to live up to the unique systems AT and AT2 created before it. Compared to those it's a let down; without comparing it though...*shrugs* I'd say it's not the worst RTB I've ever touched.
1007  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 16, 2011, 11:30:49 PM
I get the feeling the instruction booklets would be useful if they didn't have to dual language them. All that space used for reprinting everything in French could go for explaining stuff like that. XP I haven't noticed anything about the party chat effecting anything either.

Heh, odd. Doesn't surprise me too much than an inconsistency like that would slip by though. So far Purging seems rather pointless too. I haven't noticed any increase in charging speed or power just for a single purge. If anything it makes fights harder because it detonates the song early rather than allowing you to charge it while Purging.

On a side note; character-wise though I have to say there are a fair amount of cast members that interest me, more than I expected. Mute, Doc, Tatsumi, and Finnel all are intriguing to one degree or another. And some of the others I've only seen glimpses of seem to have potential. I'm not too sure what I think about Aoto though. He seems too stock so far; and despite my bashing on him I actually have preferred Lyner as a main protagonist so far.
1008  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 16, 2011, 10:51:45 PM
I think Zeron will play this game with even more fervour than usual just to stick it to Kim's review :P

What on earth gives you that impression? So far I actually think Kim's review isn't that inaccurate. A bit harsher than I would've judged it; but not inaccurate.

I kinda expect this to happen all around - so many different people in the world, it's impossible for everybody to feel the same way about something.   A scene that's on par with Aurica's is coming - don't you worry.  :-)  Early in the game I didn't have as many of the issues I did with later scenes in regards to dialogue and the story, but maybe you'll see it differently.  How are you liking the battle system, Zeron?

Oh blarg. That's just dandy. XP Eh, it's not a "bad" battle system but it feels very much like a step and a half back; even compared to the original AT. It's harder to defend the Reyvatiel and they drop way too quickly from one mistake (I've never used so many healing items and revives in the first 5 hours of an RPG, ever). The song system isn't as fun as the older games either, as I miss seeing each individual song evolve as it powered up.

Also I think I missed a key tutorial somewhere because of two mysteries the game isn't answering.

First: I thought the whole Purge system was supposed to be gradual depending on what Cosmosphere level (which are some of the best yet I think so far) you're at. Yet whenever I try a purge I go from full costume to 0 with no inbetween stages.

Second: What are the green talk topics supposed to be? I recognize clear and purple from previous AT games; but I don't know what makes green different as filling the purple still unlocks the next Cosmo level. The manual didn't mention them.
1009  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 16, 2011, 10:27:10 PM
Put in about three more hours and my hunch was right, this multiple persona thing is adding a very nice dimension to the story I quite enjoy. Also so far it seems like the culprit for most of the inappropriate dialog comes from the Tutorial Instructions rather than character dialog. The worst thing I've seen so far came from the Hymna Tutorial; mostly due to phrases like "...because she's a girl, she won't strip right away..." and the whole line of instruction about gift giving to hasten that process.

In comparison the actual story dialog has been relatively harmless. Still nothing that beats AT's Aurica scene.
1010  Media / Miscellaneous Games / Re: Ghost Trick -- compare to Ace Attorney! Sequel-worthy? on: March 16, 2011, 05:52:55 PM
Ack, touche. XD It's been...*thinks* ...probably nearly 10 years since I've played VII. No wonder I didn't remember it. >.<;
1011  Media / Miscellaneous Games / Re: Ghost Trick -- compare to Ace Attorney! Sequel-worthy? on: March 16, 2011, 03:41:56 AM
Actually it sounds like the reviewer didn't pay attention to the game and just crapped out a review to earn his paycheck. Some of his key criticisms are misleading, if not outright ill-informed.

Sissel falls flat as a hero...

An objective statement; personally I found him rather interesting because laid back characters appeal to me more than the "genki" variety or the "Rawr smash!" archetypes we see all too often. Without taking opinions on archetypes into consideration though and judging the writing by quality value alone; I think there's little room to argue against Sissel serving as an effective protagonist within the Anti-Hero/Hero border zone.

The story uses convenient amnesia as a constant crutch...

Outright wrong. The amnesia element is only used primarily straight in the main character. Every where else it's played for laughs. Heck Ghost Trick should receive an award for being one of the few games to have a clever, and brilliant reason for the amnesia cliche.
After all it's not so much "amnesia" as it is mistaken identity. Sissel can't "remember" his past because he's trying to remember the past of someone who isn't him; kinda hard to do. XD

...and a series of predictable twists deflate the overall mystery.

I call outright BS on this statement. Sure Ghost Trick isn't any Citizen Kane but the twists aren't "that" predictable. Heck I'm a rather big fan of Sci-Fi/Occult/Fantasy style stories that play with elements like this and even I didn't see some of the twists coming (although each one has a cleverly placed clue you can spot in hindsight that makes no sense without context). So unless you've totally saturated your life with these story elements or are psychic; the story will take you by surprise at least once.

His case seems rather shaky to me. *shrugs* Then again I'm more than open to admitting I have a bias. (And his points about the rigidity of the puzzles are valid.)
1012  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 15, 2011, 11:19:21 PM
I'm probably going to go with Finnel here too; just because so far she's the more endearing character. XD I can see "how" Saki can be annoying though and personally I'll go with the theory that I have a higher tolerance for that archetype. My primary point was that, imo, she's not Alfinia bad. I hated that character right out the gate. XP I think it's probably because the "elf" cliche irks me more than the "lolita" cliche.

Also gotta save I love the special edition. Gorgeous art book and a CD are always welcome treats from NISA~.

Oh, and I am quite interested in this "split personality" system from glances at the art book and indications from the opening scene. Adds a whole new element to Reyvatiels I wouldn't have thought possible.

Edit: Actually I just realized; there is some sad sense of irony in this game. The last title Gust/NISA had a hand in was Hyper Dimension Neptunia, where the main character has amnesia only so the plot can make fun of that whole stereotype whenever it gets the chance. So what does AT3 use right out the gate? *facepalms*
1013  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 15, 2011, 10:47:33 PM
Heh, this is why I always pre-order from a physical shop. ^^;

Anyway I've only gotten about 2 hours logged on the game and I have to say it's quite enjoyable. As anticipated there was one battle where the "Purge" system is forced ala tutorial but it wasn't bad. The only irritable part about the whole experience has been trying to figure out exactly how to shake the remote to trigger it. There are several tiny things that have entered nitpick territory about the way the game plays as a whole but it feels like seeing an old friend once again.

And so far the review greatly over-exaggerated Saki's character, IMO. She's not the best female lead but she's no Alfinia. Unlike Grandia III I'm not skipping text just to avoid her dialog.
1014  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 15, 2011, 04:43:42 PM
Should be going to get my copy in a few hours. Will probably spend the evening playing it then give a first impressions late tonight.
1015  Media / Miscellaneous Games / Re: Ghost Trick -- compare to Ace Attorney! Sequel-worthy? on: March 15, 2011, 01:15:22 PM
Sequel, no. Spin-Off, yes. I think the series' next game needs to be to Ghost Trick what Edgeworth is to Phoenix Wright. Technically the same thing but from another perspective. With but a few exceptions most of the loose threads were tied in Ghost Trick and I feel the characters, especially the main character, would be "forced" if shoved into the spotlight of another main story.

However if the next story were told via a new protagonist with slightly different mechanics (like "Objection!" vs "Eureka!" if you follow the metaphor) with the old guard making minor appearances; that would be the way to go.

As for "is it better"? *shrugs* Each have their own appeals. Apples to Oranges apply here as they're both fruit in the end (supernatural-flavored fiction).
1016  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 14, 2011, 02:52:58 PM
Curiousity: Why aren't people up in arms over this in The 3rd Birthday?

Age. A lot of what's bothering people with games like this is that it's a general tend for what look like very young girls to be sexualized, whereas even de-aged Aya looks to be in here 20s, MAYBE late teens at worst. AND there are people frustrated by the sexualizing there too, so it's not like The 3rd Birthday's considered completely kosher and AT3 isn't, but rather that AT3 has that extra layer that makes it disconcerting.

Plus you can argue it's optional in the 3rd Birthday by just playing really well and never getting HP so low as to be running around nearly naked!

Eh, whether it's 8 or 80 it shouldn't matter. Sexualized material is sexualized material. *shrugs* Then again I understand different societies try drawing different lines that people will accept and somehow justify it in their mind because everyone else is doing it. So that's a point I really won't press beyond stating my opinion.

Hypothetically; yes. But if pushed to a test that could be disproved quite easily. Just yank random gamers off the street til you had enough for a decent sample size (randomizing skill levels) and have both sets play both games with the condition "Do not make your protagonist nude in combat." AT3 would pass with a 100% rate (assuming what I've read is correct, for all I know there could be a battle where you're forced to go all the way; like how Replakia was forcefully engaged in an AT2 fight) where there would undeniably be failures for T3B; especially considering the poorly designed boss battles where damage will happen as an almost foregone conclusion.
1017  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 14, 2011, 02:46:47 PM
From what I've been reading around the topics and news articles it's, rather interestingly, pretty much AT3 in a different form.

Forcefully de-aged female protagonist/s, dumbed down story (with an incredibly bull-crap ending), poor characters, decrease in combat quality, and a stripping element integrated into the game mechanics.

The only difference is one's optional, one's not.
1018  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 14, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
When a game employs ripping off girl's clothes as a tactical advantage in battle...

Curiousity: Why aren't people up in arms over this in The 3rd Birthday? I've mentioned before that the game is crap because it forces you to parade near-naked Aya around on screen via the automatic HP=Clothing system and been told I'm over reacting. But here in AT3 the clothes stripping element is optional and has to be manually engaged by the player; yet people keep citing that as a reason the game needs to take a hit.

Then again the T3B topic has people over the moon about naked Aya in the shower so...I'll be darned if I ever understand the way people's minds work.
1019  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 13, 2011, 01:13:39 AM
Heh, it couldn't have be any worse than AT2's at the very least. XD Now that was a horrid translation job. Completely forgetting to translate text. XP

I didn't play the JP version, but as far as NISA localizing it for NA, they did a solid job.  There's a lot of dialogue in Qoga, and it's amazing the quality job they were able to do.  Everything makes sense and aside from the occasional typo (and I mean a really small number), there's not much to fault at all.  It's on par with their solid translation of Sakura Wars ~So Long, My Love~ (which was another text heavy game).

EDIT:  I forgot to mention, I read an interview back where NISA said they stayed pretty true to the JP script.  Also, they made some changes to a certain character... You know what?  I found the link, it's a pretty interesting read: http://www.siliconera.com/2011/02/18/nis-america-answers-your-ar-tonelico-qoga-questions/

Ugh, that article depresses me. I actually liked hearing a girly voice coming from scary looking Mute. Having her sound more butch is so...so...not as funny/charming.
1020  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 05:19:26 PM
Either way, I'm curious as to why Gust has been going for a younger look recently.  I mean, obviously to appease some of their fans, but when you compare it to more of the original games, I'd say the design quality has gone down, despite actually visually looking better.  If you compare earlier Gust games, like Marie and Elie, they looked young, but not like 13-year olds.  Judie and Violet both look much older, by at least 3-4 years.  Then compare that design to the new Atelier game's design, where the heroine looks 12 or so (well, in the defense of Gust, she might possibly be 12).
It's more than something just happening in Ar tonelico, but in their flagship Atelier as well.

I think part of the new character design thing may have to do with the 3d modeling. While I'm not trying to defend it, it you look at the male characters, they tend to look pretty young for some reason as well, and the ingame graphics, at least for Atelier Rorona have a bit of a chibi thing going on.

^This. Somehow I don't think it's so much they're trying to use younger character as it is something gets lost in translation between the 2D design team and the 3D modeling team. Atelier Rorona is a perfect example of this.

Compare this, in which the character looks 8 freaking years old to this, where she looks at least 13-15ish.

It's possible the "10 year old" look may have not been the design team's intention.
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