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1006  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 02, 2011, 01:20:30 PM
The problem I have with that though is if the game advertising itself as giving you the element of choice and once you play it constantly reminds you (Hey; you have choices. Hey, choices matter. Hey, your thoughts will have an impact on the story.) And then having it railroad you...it's like playing a really good module of D&D with a GM that refuses to let you explore the possibility of what might happen if you decide to try befriending the orc instead of killing it.

A game with the option of choice shouldn't push you down one path or the other. Now if it was hinting "Hey, Katherine is a safer bet." that's one thing. Instead it shows you the stairs down Katherine's path and shoves you head first; kicking you down a few more steps every time you try to get back up and walk on your own in the opposite direction.
1007  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 02, 2011, 03:15:05 AM
Well I've only done a chaos playthrough so I can't really help you, ZeronHitaro.  I guess we could compare notes or something.

Considering the monologue dialog doesn't seem to change anything the only point I can imagine remotely changing might be
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the section near the 7th or 8th day (can't recall which) where Vincent breaks up with Catherine; but Katherine finds out, fight ensures, Catherine gets stabbed, and you have to escort Katherine up a tower as part of a dream sequence while demon Catherine chases you.

If that scene somehow reverses Catherine and Katherine's roles any that might be the only thing that would differ aside from the final ending.
1008  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 02, 2011, 02:37:11 AM
Has anyone done a full Chaos play yet? If so without spoilers please tell me if something changes besides the plot ret-conning monologue and the ending because I haven't been able to motivate myself to play it past day 6 yet on the second playthrough. I'm interested in a Catherine ending but really have no desire to play the exact same game twice regardless of the attempts I make to change the plot.
1009  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Internet Dating, A.K.A. How to Scar Yourself Forever on: July 31, 2011, 12:11:15 PM
Maybe not so much "net dating" as "hybrid dating". Met my wife about 5 years ago online. Were only friends for the first three years then started having romantic interests. Met about 2 months later but due to time, distance, circumstance, all that fun stuff we really only got to see each other IRL for about once every two weeks. The rest was online "dating" for about 7ish months before we pretty much moved in together and got married that summer a year ago. Anniversary was this month actually.

Personally, and to be blunt, the good thing about net dating is the depth and width of the choosing pool. Sure this means more chances of hitting a crazy but really unlike purely local dating you can pretty much "throw back" anything that doesn't mesh and try again without having to worry about running out of options. I mean you almost literally have the entire planet to pick from.
1010  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: July 29, 2011, 09:07:09 PM
I find that the game's difficulty fluctuates between easy to absolutely insane based on the linearity of the puzzles. 

I think this sums up the difficulty problem in a nutshell. Heck the only reason I think I beat the whole game without having to resort to Youtube is I've spent more hours than I care to admit on Kongregate playing puzzle game after puzzle game with such obtuse singular solutions that Catherine really appears "medium difficult" by comparison.
1011  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: July 29, 2011, 08:04:55 PM
Huh, that sucks then. I just assumed it was "chain" based since the very first question had been the same one from last playthrough and since I answered it different "that" was the reason behind the new ones. Having them randomly generated kinda takes the fun out of it. I can see how it's supposed to avoid repetition on playthroughs but still...

Anyway I'm not saying Catherine isn't a good game. Heck I had a blast on my first playthrough. But I feel like I've been lied to by the marketing. I was expecting a plot with at least some element of divergence depending on how I behaved. Not epically so in scope but it doesn't seem like it would be too much to at least expect Vincent's Law/Chaos meter to have him behave different. His monologue thoughts indicate one thing but once the plot kicks back in it says "Nope, you really weren't thinking that. This is how Vincent should be behaving."
1012  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: July 29, 2011, 07:45:07 PM
There's only 3 days of the plot left and so much feels like it hasn't been said. I feel for my poor little heart as I am stressed over the denouement and then I'll see the climax, probably only to get the ending where it turns out Vincent was gay the whole time.

The last three days are kinda weird as the plot slows down then suddenly it feels like they dump a truckload in your lap; then it suddenly drags for a while before one final delivery is made to wrap things up.
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Well, I'm on the bar events before the 6th Night on my second, this time Full Chaos, playthrough...I seriously feel like I just got Molyneux-style trolled by Atlus. I've utterly trashed Katherine in my texts, been horn-doging for Catherine, have pushed my Chaos meter so far it's actually bypassed the red limiter arrow on the scale and what difference is there to the plot?

1-2 lines of dialog per monologue that the plot automatically corrects. Vincent is still wanting to stay with Katherine, he's still being all edgy about Catherine, ect., ect. Vincent's inner thoughts affect the plot? Bull, freaking, crap. I'll give it til the end of the playthrough but if nothing changes within the next few days then I can safely say this game has pretty much zero replay value and that you're best just enjoying it once on a Law or Neutral-ish playthrough since the game pretty much forces the plot to go that direction anyway then looking up the rest of the endings on Youtube. That's what I'll be doing for the remaining 6; assuming I don't get True Freedom again by some quirk.

Really about the only thing that "has" changed is it appears the confessional quests change depending on previous answers. You get different question chains based on if you were Lawful or Chaotic in the prior responses. Very cool but not enough to warrant a second playthrough.
1013  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: July 28, 2011, 08:49:19 PM
Probably is old news, but anyone see the Persona 4 reference in the bathroom at the Stray Sheep? 

No actually. What is it?

I restarted on Easy. This games is pretty tough on Normal, but it is really Easy on Easy. Like beyond Easy. It's weird. But at least I can see the story now.

Yeah don't let that fool you. Stages 6+ are still going to give you frustrations unless you master the skills you need to survive. XD That "undo" is not a fix all by any means.
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Just beat the game a little while ago. Apparently got the "True Freedom" ending; relatively decent but overall unsatisfying.
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Vincent winds up with no one and basically "go kart's with bowser" to borrow some money and bet of women's wrestling so he can take a space vacation.

Replaying it now and trying to go for a "Pure Chaos" approach. I'm stopping on Day 2 because I'm relatively burnt out but the very first Law/Chaos dependent cutscene didn't play out very differently. I'm hoping this changes at later points.
1014  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Nintendo 3DS Launching at $249.99 on March 27 in the US on: July 28, 2011, 12:57:55 PM
You'll have to pardon my ignorance of the economic aspect of the industry but..."why"? I mean I thought the running joke was that Nintendo practically prints money. Between the Wii and NDS exactly why do they need so badly to sell the 3DS even if it's at a loss? I mean at very worst why not just call it another "Virtual Boy Incident" and start over later on? Certainly they have the funds to take a hit on it...right?

"At a press conference in Osaka today, Nintendo CEO Satoru Iwata justified this by saying that such major moves were necessary in order to improve fiscal performance next year and beyond."

So basically it's not "We need money" it's just "We want even more money". Aka: Standard business practice.
1015  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Nintendo 3DS Launching at $249.99 on March 27 in the US on: July 28, 2011, 12:53:41 PM
You'll have to pardon my ignorance of the economic aspect of the industry but..."why"? I mean I thought the running joke was that Nintendo practically prints money. Between the Wii and NDS exactly why do they need so badly to sell the 3DS even if it's at a loss? I mean at very worst why not just call it another "Virtual Boy Incident" and start over later on? Certainly they have the funds to take a hit on it...right?
1016  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Nintendo 3DS Launching at $249.99 on March 27 in the US on: July 28, 2011, 12:01:54 PM
Besides...aren't they already at like 80% saturation or something like that? Its been forever since I listened to that report about Nintendo sales but I'm pretty sure the install base for Wii and DS was something rather ridiculous like that. Basically to the point where the only systems you're selling are to newborns and owners of accidentally broken systems.
1017  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: July 28, 2011, 11:31:56 AM
Just a forewarning, I have not played the final area yet:

However is it just me or is
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the story in Catherine kinda..."meh" during the final parts? I mean yeah maybe if I have a different meter it'll change but being "forced" to pick Katherine, Catherine being a succcubus (while it "does" make some degree of sense this honestly feel more like a D&D game with friends plot twist than something I'd really care for in a story such as this), and Super Sheep Evil Bad Guy coming out of left field like that... It's like all the aspects of "bad" Japanese story telling decided to jump onto an otherwise great tale at the last minute and go 'Don't forget about us~!" ~.~

Not to mention the sudden appearance of an escort mission near the end...oh dear lord that was horrific...

Also having finally neared the end I decided to look at the art book, had been putting it off for fear of spoilers like P4's. Ugh...what a piece of crap. I was hoping for more than pages of text I care nothing for and what amounts to what I can guess is basically Playboy-lite. Wish they had at least put the soundtrack in it's own case so I could just chuck the book since it has no redeeming quality at all.
1018  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: 3DS vs. Vita - which will be the RPG'ers choice? on: July 28, 2011, 11:27:07 AM
Vita should be the obvious choice. After all if Sony keeps up the PSN eventually the store will start carrying "PS2 Classics". Between that and PSOne there will never be any reason to not own whatever console/handheld can support that. I'm willing to bet it'll be the Vita, if not it's immediate successor.
1019  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: July 28, 2011, 01:07:40 AM
I think the difficulty is overrated. I just got past what I thought was the final boss on day 8 (but it's really not) and saved for the night just before what should be the final-final stage. Maybe I just have a better mind for this kinda game but thus far I have not required any sort of FAQ to solve anything. Not to say there haven't been a few stages that took 4-6 lives to cycle through though, not counting boss battles. XD

I have to say this game really does suffer from cutscene overflow on the final sections. I thought I was sitting through the ending that last cutscene I watched took so darn long. So far I'm hoping the game really changes depending on your Law/Chaos meter because it looks like it's really trying to shoehorn you into one pairing no matter what. Also I'm starting to suspect it doesn't matter how far to the left or right you are on the Law/Chaos meter but rather "just" if you're left or right; a future playthrough should clarify that.

Thus far I love it but I'm disappointed the plot isn't going the way I want it to. :-\ I was expecting more flexability but again I'll have to see how the plot compares once I finish this playthrough and start my "jerk mode" play through.

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Erica's a man? Priceless. XD
1020  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: July 27, 2011, 08:09:28 AM

The puzzle/nightmare part is demonstrating how bad I am under pressure. I mostly panic and push/pull like crazy until a path appears. And I'm definitely steering towards Katherine, and prolly will go the opposite next play-through and a neutral route for the third, but I'm wondering how this game has eight endings.

Not sure how exactly they would be executed but I can theorize based on what I've seen of the system so far-

Catherine End Law
Catherine End Neutral
Catherine End Chaos
Katherine End Law
Katherine End Neutral
Katherine End Chaos
Bad End (Neither Girl)
Harem End (Both Girls)
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Thankfully I fixed my sleeping schedule so I'll be trying to make a solid 4-5 hour run at the game tonight; see how far I get.
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