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1006  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 18, 2011, 08:56:52 AM
Amusing thing I discovered while browsing through the Disgaea wiki. If you wanted to twist perceptions a bit; doesn't the Reaper enemy from Disgaea 3 sort of look what might happen if
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one of the "final form" psycho sheep dies and was reincarnated in the Netherworld?

I mean heck; based on Catherine's True ending they might actually be within the same universe...>>;

Plus if you want to look too much into it Catherine's
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Netherworld
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Grr...spoiler tags and url codes are not good bedfellows. :-\ At least the link still works.

1007  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 14, 2011, 10:55:52 PM
Huh, I must be rather jaded as I found that particular boss to be rather...bland. At least by my standards of "creepy". XD Personally I thought the next to last boss was the best.
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Just because I find Mutton to be awesome and him sitting there on a swivel chair taunting and popping shots off just reeks of Bond-villainism. XD
1008  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 13, 2011, 07:43:02 AM
About the only down side to very easy mode, just as an FYI, is that if you're good at the game normally in later stages you'll actually outrun the blocks. Sometimes the screen. It gets kinda frustrating, during the boss fights in particular, to either die to have to use the "Undo" combo exploit to survive/maintain points just because the screen is too low or the blocks aren't falling fast enough (which means certain boss traps can literally come out of nowhere).
1009  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 10, 2011, 04:25:10 AM
Umm...what the heck...apparently you get one final "piece of the puzzle" if you pretty much gold medal everything and pass every single Babel stage. It's...sorta trippy in a meta-sort of way. For those who don't want to waste their sanity going for this:

Intro: http://youtu.be/ueOmoJxFWP8
Ending: http://youtu.be/f7BYP8DcPHw

I...don't know what to make of this. XD This game certainly knows how to screw with your expectations that's for certain.
1010  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 09, 2011, 09:00:39 PM

It's funny because the woman with the red afro actually says that in her opinion Katherine was too forgiving. It's true that in the end the intention to cheat was still there but I've known plenty of cases where people ended up forgiving a cheat, I don't find it that hard to swallow because it happens a lot in real life, they might break up but they eventually get over it.
I just got Kath's good ending and watched the true ending on YT. The good ending is a lot hotter :-) Both are very nice though.

Oh I don't find it hard to swallow that she's forgiving a cheat. XD That happens often enough. What I don't buy is the "why" she's forgiving him. For example I'd have thought a lot better of the True Lovers ending if Vincent had just said "Hey, I cheated, I'm a dick, I'll do whatever I can to make it up to you so...forgive me?" rather than
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"Hey, I cheated, but it was something that didn't exist, everyone told me I was crazy so I'm all better now. Marry me?"

I guess though it's mostly my perception being colored over by the fact that I have far greater respect for people who up front have the balls to admit they screwed up without making excuses rather than hiding behind some paper thin lie of "It wasn't exactly my fault..."
1011  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 09, 2011, 07:43:33 PM
I'm going to replay the final dungeon to get the other possible endings and them I'm doing another playthrough on very easy and do everything as differently as I can.

Just trigger Very Easy Mode on your save file (assuming you're at a point where you still have access to your cell phone) and Gold Medal everything on VE Mode it's virtually impossible not to gold medal since Undo not only doesn't incur penalty points but it actually refreshes the combo meter. So if you're about to lose your combo just pull a block and hit undo for a meter refresh. Once you have full Golds you can actually skip the puzzle stages; which is preferable if you're just going ending hunting.
1012  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 09, 2011, 06:02:06 PM
So I finally knuckled down and earned the Catherine True for myself (albeit I used Very Easy mode since I was curious and basically playing it in God Mode was way too hard not to give up since I just wanted to speed run it). Totally worth it and easily the best ending in the game. However, I have to say, considering the game was practically grabbing you by the bollocks and dragging you kicking and screaming down Katherine's path the ending is...pretty darn lame. (I watched in on YT last night; glad I did otherwise I'd have been pissed about wasting time for such a let down.)

I mean really this is all we get:

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-They get married.
-Erica is completely revealed as Eric (which you can figure out quite easily on any other playthrough.)
-Katherine says "I love you."; not boding well for the relationship since this is the first time she's said it whole game.

Compared to the sort of philosophical/comedic ending of True Freedom and the pure comedy gold ending of True Affair...True Love just comes off as...really half baked. Especially considering the crux of Vincent's arguement is:

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Hey, just because I cheated on you with someone imaginary means it doesn't count. Well it sorta does, but really it doesn't.

It just makes Katherine come off as an idiot. I mean really what has Vincent done for her to patch the relationship? The tower doesn't count, Catherine doesn't count as not only was Katherine not present for any of it by his own logic
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it wasn't in reality so it shouldn't count.
After being a distant loafer while she might've been pregnant about all he does is
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trick her into meeting him to claim he was pretty much psychotic during that time period and he basically had a huge daydream about cheating on her.
That...no, for a game that tries to take the relationship plot quasi-seriously that does not float any boat; ever. Not even naive pre-teens in hormone-driven crush-love would buy that excuse.
1013  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Loose ends... the games we have not finished and should we? on: August 09, 2011, 03:01:46 AM
'bout the only game I still have that's resting unfinished is Neptunia. Not really in the mood for it, nor have I been for quite some time. :-\
1014  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 08, 2011, 06:08:02 PM
No really. From what I've seen of the ending guide if I'd answered honestly the first time I'd wind up with the Katherine True. XD
1015  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Greatest line in an RPG ever! on: August 06, 2011, 06:51:11 AM
What the hell kinds of games are you people playing? Wait, I'm playing Catherine, I shouldn't talk.

Actually I thought Catherine was pretty mature and decent considering the subject manner it's tackling. Clever "camera angles" to hide the scenes that would probably push it into Hentai territory without any of the idiocy that usually comes from JRPG-style romance and a lack of immature commentary about relationships...it's almost like the "Right" to AT3's "Wrong" in how to handle such content.
1016  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 02, 2011, 03:53:42 PM
However, from my opinion I admit, the whole "stays because of
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possible pregenancy
" only works from the Law and Neutral. While it might not be the most "likeable" thing to do Chaos Vincent has no excuse to remain for that reasoning. Chaos indicates irresponsibility, a willingness to just move on regardless of circumstances or obligations. Catherine tackles the whole cheating aspect of a relationship in a quasi realistic way and real people of a more "Chaos" mindset do not always stick with partners regardless of reasoning. People run away with others in less time for lesser reasons.

I'm not saying it's "bad" that Vincent stays; but if leaving is never an option then the player should never be given the illusion of that choice.
1017  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 02, 2011, 02:42:28 PM
You know I forgot to mention; something that really puts the cake on the WTF Sundae regarding the "not really choices" in this game. If you talk to all the sheep during the game there are several hints that both place Catherine and Katherine under suspicion of being the "witch". There was potentially right there, written into the script, to easily swing it near the ending to make it (not really spoilers itself by sorta is; you'll under stand once you've played it)
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where Katherine could be the succubus instead of Catherine. The whole "woman at the clerk agency", "making up pregnancy in order to keep the guy", ect. rumors all pointed towards her as the culprit.

But instead of making it a variable scenario ala Higurashi with the truth of the matter tucked away in a harder to reach "True" ending they pretty much don't follow up on it at all. Which really...becomes quite confusing when you find out in the end that
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all these witch rumors were being spread around by Erica "accidentally". Which means she was talking bad about Katherine while trying to get Vincent to get back together with her? What the heck?
1018  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 02, 2011, 01:20:30 PM
The problem I have with that though is if the game advertising itself as giving you the element of choice and once you play it constantly reminds you (Hey; you have choices. Hey, choices matter. Hey, your thoughts will have an impact on the story.) And then having it railroad you...it's like playing a really good module of D&D with a GM that refuses to let you explore the possibility of what might happen if you decide to try befriending the orc instead of killing it.

A game with the option of choice shouldn't push you down one path or the other. Now if it was hinting "Hey, Katherine is a safer bet." that's one thing. Instead it shows you the stairs down Katherine's path and shoves you head first; kicking you down a few more steps every time you try to get back up and walk on your own in the opposite direction.
1019  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 02, 2011, 03:15:05 AM
Well I've only done a chaos playthrough so I can't really help you, ZeronHitaro.  I guess we could compare notes or something.

Considering the monologue dialog doesn't seem to change anything the only point I can imagine remotely changing might be
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the section near the 7th or 8th day (can't recall which) where Vincent breaks up with Catherine; but Katherine finds out, fight ensures, Catherine gets stabbed, and you have to escort Katherine up a tower as part of a dream sequence while demon Catherine chases you.

If that scene somehow reverses Catherine and Katherine's roles any that might be the only thing that would differ aside from the final ending.
1020  Media / General Games / Re: Catherine from Persona team on PS360 on: August 02, 2011, 02:37:11 AM
Has anyone done a full Chaos play yet? If so without spoilers please tell me if something changes besides the plot ret-conning monologue and the ending because I haven't been able to motivate myself to play it past day 6 yet on the second playthrough. I'm interested in a Catherine ending but really have no desire to play the exact same game twice regardless of the attempts I make to change the plot.
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