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1036  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 14, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
When a game employs ripping off girl's clothes as a tactical advantage in battle...

Curiousity: Why aren't people up in arms over this in The 3rd Birthday? I've mentioned before that the game is crap because it forces you to parade near-naked Aya around on screen via the automatic HP=Clothing system and been told I'm over reacting. But here in AT3 the clothes stripping element is optional and has to be manually engaged by the player; yet people keep citing that as a reason the game needs to take a hit.

Then again the T3B topic has people over the moon about naked Aya in the shower so...I'll be darned if I ever understand the way people's minds work.
1037  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 13, 2011, 01:13:39 AM
Heh, it couldn't have be any worse than AT2's at the very least. XD Now that was a horrid translation job. Completely forgetting to translate text. XP

I didn't play the JP version, but as far as NISA localizing it for NA, they did a solid job.  There's a lot of dialogue in Qoga, and it's amazing the quality job they were able to do.  Everything makes sense and aside from the occasional typo (and I mean a really small number), there's not much to fault at all.  It's on par with their solid translation of Sakura Wars ~So Long, My Love~ (which was another text heavy game).

EDIT:  I forgot to mention, I read an interview back where NISA said they stayed pretty true to the JP script.  Also, they made some changes to a certain character... You know what?  I found the link, it's a pretty interesting read: http://www.siliconera.com/2011/02/18/nis-america-answers-your-ar-tonelico-qoga-questions/

Ugh, that article depresses me. I actually liked hearing a girly voice coming from scary looking Mute. Having her sound more butch is so...so...not as funny/charming.
1038  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 05:19:26 PM
Either way, I'm curious as to why Gust has been going for a younger look recently.  I mean, obviously to appease some of their fans, but when you compare it to more of the original games, I'd say the design quality has gone down, despite actually visually looking better.  If you compare earlier Gust games, like Marie and Elie, they looked young, but not like 13-year olds.  Judie and Violet both look much older, by at least 3-4 years.  Then compare that design to the new Atelier game's design, where the heroine looks 12 or so (well, in the defense of Gust, she might possibly be 12).
It's more than something just happening in Ar tonelico, but in their flagship Atelier as well.

I think part of the new character design thing may have to do with the 3d modeling. While I'm not trying to defend it, it you look at the male characters, they tend to look pretty young for some reason as well, and the ingame graphics, at least for Atelier Rorona have a bit of a chibi thing going on.

^This. Somehow I don't think it's so much they're trying to use younger character as it is something gets lost in translation between the 2D design team and the 3D modeling team. Atelier Rorona is a perfect example of this.

Compare this, in which the character looks 8 freaking years old to this, where she looks at least 13-15ish.

It's possible the "10 year old" look may have not been the design team's intention.
1039  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 01:02:02 PM
The difference here is that those swimsuits aren't sexualizing the children. AT3 is.

Heh, can't argue that point. :-/ That's part of the reason I won't be utilizing the Reyvatiel's higher stage transformations.

Your swimming suit argument is flawed. You make it sound like people dress their children in bathing costumes so they can be gawked at. I don't know about you guys, but any girls i've seen at the swimming pool who are less than 15 years old usually wear a one-piece number. Like a leotard or whatever, because it is good for swimming in. Same for little boys and their trunks or shorts. We are hardly going to send the children into the pull with a winter coat on and some wellington boots.

It's so the children can swim without being weighed down by their clothes. It's practical.

I wouldn't call it "common" but it happens often enough. You might just live in a more modest area. And personally I see no reason why a t-shirt and shorts wouldn't work compared to some of the things people pass off as swimwear. *shudders* I had to wear the shirt/shorts emsemble just because I burn extremely easily (even with loads of sunblock) and that never really hampered my ability to swim or my enjoyment of it.
1040  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 12:55:10 PM
And are you seriously questioning a purchase on a game because we don't want to see stupid-sex jokes and "little girls"...LITTLE GIRLS being stripped??

Potentially yes. Simply because of two words: Swimming Suits. People've been sending little children of both genders out, in public, wearing clothing that in general covers less than your standard underwear garment covers. Heck right now just to prove that point I could walk two blocks down to the local swimming pool and point out at least 5+ youngsters wearing less than some of the video I've seen of Reyvatiel transformations. And these are most likely younger than both the "appearance" and "actual" age of the Reyvatiels in question.

I'm not saying there isn't a point to what people are saying. However I find it very hard to take that point seriously when there are many, many examples of worse child exposure walking down the street without anyone so much as batting an eye. I cannot accept certain points when a clear double standard is involved.

Is Neptunia really a better game? Because getting beaten by Neptunia means you've sunk really low. Hell, I started watching a playthrough on Youtube once and FELL ASLEEP.

In all fairness Neptunia is one of those games that's more fun to play than it is to watch. There's a fair amount of set up and construction that goes into party prep. That and it's also better played in bursts rather than long sit throughs (like you would experience watching a play through rather than just playing it for 30-45 minute intervals before doing something else).
1041  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 10:17:38 AM
Y'know not to try and be rude but I honestly have to wonder; how many of you that are saying the game should be degraded/ignored for the sexism pay money for cable/satellite television? Or to go watch movies? (Within the past 20 years.) If so, and you haven't been barking at other people to do the same; you're kind of being hypocritical.

I'm not saying sexism is right, or even "funny"; but point out to me one major time period within the past 20 years where American movies, television, (heck probably even modern literature) was not stepped in the sexist notions of "Guys are idiots." "Guys only have sex on the brain." "If something goes wrong between a man and a woman it's automatically the guy's fault until proven otherwise". Modern American culture is stuffed to the brim with anti-guy sexism; yet I don't see people calling those instances out. But if there's sexism about a woman in a medium...sound the alarms!

Again, haven't played the game, not trying to be particularly mean here towards anyway; just saying it seems kind of...odd.
1042  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 12:29:56 AM
I'm not going to disagree that it isn't a step down. XD I figured that the moment I heard they abandoned their amazing battle system AT2 had. Although sadly I can't really elaborate too much on anything til I get a chance to play it. Seems like so many people around here have played it already. XP
1043  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 12:11:48 AM
The hymnos was barely touched, I was a bit blue about that - but otherwise, the music in the game blows ...

Neptunia is getting sacked for a lot of the tasteless foolery and "humour" in the game and otaku's are furious... but unless you're a fan of that shit, what's there to like...?

Highlighting the two statements I found odd.

-Really? How does it "blow" I gave a fair portion of the tracks a listen (I know it wasn't a complete list because there are some battle themes missing) and it seemed par for the course for an AT game. Heck the music was far more pleasant to listen to than say...Fable 3 or Fallout NV for example. Granted I'm hearing these tunes out of context and at my own leisure without unwanted looping but I can't think of even a single track that entered "blows" territory. Even the strange little EP_NOVA.

-Is that game really setting off the "jaded" alarm that badly for people? ._. Neither me or my wife are huge anime people anymore. There's like...2-3 shows in our collection of DVDs at any given time and neither of us have watched anything from about 2002 out. Neptunia's self-aware parody humor has been rather enjoyable to listen to and she actually prefers I wait to play til she's home just so she can watch. Neither of us really fit into the modern otaku context and we find the game just fine. Nothing "OMG write home!" about but nothing that merits the ragging it seems to get.
1044  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 12:01:02 AM
._.; Yeesh, away for an evening and apparently I miss the flame fest of the century. My sympathies to the reviewer. ^^;
1045  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 11, 2011, 05:35:52 PM
They even fixed AT1 by having Jacqli (god I hate typing that) say that Lyner is a legendary diver who cleared 3 girls .

A normal diver can go to lvl 5.
A good diver can clear his partner.

Lol, Jacqli's just lying to preserve his pride. XD Think about how extremely dense Lyner was. I'd say it's more like 3 girls cleared him.
*part joking-part serious*
1046  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 11, 2011, 04:10:51 PM
Ah crap. XD Oh well, maybe this time I'll actually bother with multiple save slots for a change instead of trying to retread the whole game. Should be fun to see what sort of Cosmosphere antics are pulled this time though. They're usually quite amusing; well...not counting that weird Cloche-Luca only Cosmosphere thing in AT2. ~.~;
1047  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 11, 2011, 03:33:22 PM
Huh, so basically a New Game+ only you don't have to hop back through the whole game to see the new ending (well, unless you want a different Main x Girl ending I assume). Doesn't sound too bad.

Although now that I'm starting to have nostalgia trips about the other two games I have to ask: Are Cosmospheres still locked off at a certain level if you decide to 'focus" on a specific character ending like AT2 (I hated that so much. XP ) or have they opened it back up so you can full-play everyone's Cosmosphere in one go like the original AT?
1048  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 11, 2011, 03:22:07 PM
Ahhh, VAs; should've known. XD

Are we talking "Don't kill even one party member by accident"-Disgaea tough (not that hard) or are we talking "OMG you missed that one conversation on the landmass that sank irrevocably about 3 hours ago so restart or take your "meh" ending"-AT2 tough (how the hell could you do that to me game!)?

For the "God awful" scale I'd probably use Valkyrie Profile as reference.
1049  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 11, 2011, 02:58:33 PM
The overall plot is weak.  The games you listed figured out ways to make it feel fresh.  There are unique character relationships, which is its saving grace, but as far as the overall plot goes - it's dull and unimpressive.  I was extremely bored with it.  

EDIT:  I just want to say even setting aside the cliches, the plot isn't all that entertaining.  

Either the game is awful or the review is harsh. Can't say until I play it though.
68% does mean a broken game. That's a D+

Ironic statement; considering Ar Tonelico II literally was a broken game (Game crashing bug near last boss you couldn't avoid unless winning within X turns) and it scored 81%. XD

Y'know I'm actually really looking forward to this game now that I realized something in the review. If my front liners are going to do to jack squat for damage, and if I'm only going to be able to take up the Reyvatiel 2 or 3 stages depending on the costume to avoid the awkward underwear scenes then this game might be the first Ar Tonelico that's actually a "challenge" in combat.
1050  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 11, 2011, 02:54:51 PM
What it provides is a chiche; all three of the aforementioned titles provide some form of cliche in them, but they are overlaid with more impressive writing and characters.  I can't say the same for AT3.

Isn't that basically what anything NIS/NISA or Gust touches is all about? I mean from Disgaea all the way up to Hyper Dimension Neptunia I've always gotten the impression that their stories are all "self-aware" cliches to one degree or another; only instead of trying to take themselves seriously they simply break the 4th wall or do something absurd in order to provide a fun little ride along the way.

It's kind of a "you should expect this" at this point y'know? Buying a NIS/NISA or Gust game and judging it for having over the top ye-olde-cliche is like judging a Michael Bay moving for having too many explosions and jokes about big steel balls. What else could you have possibly expected? XD

I hear you that it's expected and that these games fill a niche - that's what NISA does, they publish games to a specific niche - the type of person that's probably been in /h/ on 4chan at least once.  That being said, having seen some of AT3 as Kimberley reviewed it, it's more than even I would have bargained for.

Heh, oddly I've never been on either; then again that's probably why I cannot detect the things that people complain about in AT2. XD I guess there are some advantages to having a skull denser than lead.

I can believe that the series is degraded though; and I have no doubts it won't be as good as the prior two. If I could remember the specific date/time this happened I wouldn't be surprised if this "spike" in more blatant innuendo is a sort of "rebellion" on the part of the game writers against the tougher laws regarding H-material recently pushed through in Japan (basically toeing the line like Hollywood does all the time to see what crap they can get away with). If nothing else it should be worth a play just for the music from what I've been hearing on Youtube. (It amazes me this only got an 83% percent in sound when it has some of the most gorgeous Hymnos tunes yet).
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