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1156  Media / General Games / Re: Ghost Trick -- compare to Ace Attorney! Sequel-worthy? on: March 16, 2011, 03:41:56 AM
Actually it sounds like the reviewer didn't pay attention to the game and just crapped out a review to earn his paycheck. Some of his key criticisms are misleading, if not outright ill-informed.

Sissel falls flat as a hero...

An objective statement; personally I found him rather interesting because laid back characters appeal to me more than the "genki" variety or the "Rawr smash!" archetypes we see all too often. Without taking opinions on archetypes into consideration though and judging the writing by quality value alone; I think there's little room to argue against Sissel serving as an effective protagonist within the Anti-Hero/Hero border zone.

The story uses convenient amnesia as a constant crutch...

Outright wrong. The amnesia element is only used primarily straight in the main character. Every where else it's played for laughs. Heck Ghost Trick should receive an award for being one of the few games to have a clever, and brilliant reason for the amnesia cliche.
After all it's not so much "amnesia" as it is mistaken identity. Sissel can't "remember" his past because he's trying to remember the past of someone who isn't him; kinda hard to do. XD

...and a series of predictable twists deflate the overall mystery.

I call outright BS on this statement. Sure Ghost Trick isn't any Citizen Kane but the twists aren't "that" predictable. Heck I'm a rather big fan of Sci-Fi/Occult/Fantasy style stories that play with elements like this and even I didn't see some of the twists coming (although each one has a cleverly placed clue you can spot in hindsight that makes no sense without context). So unless you've totally saturated your life with these story elements or are psychic; the story will take you by surprise at least once.

His case seems rather shaky to me. *shrugs* Then again I'm more than open to admitting I have a bias. (And his points about the rigidity of the puzzles are valid.)
1157  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 15, 2011, 11:19:21 PM
I'm probably going to go with Finnel here too; just because so far she's the more endearing character. XD I can see "how" Saki can be annoying though and personally I'll go with the theory that I have a higher tolerance for that archetype. My primary point was that, imo, she's not Alfinia bad. I hated that character right out the gate. XP I think it's probably because the "elf" cliche irks me more than the "lolita" cliche.

Also gotta save I love the special edition. Gorgeous art book and a CD are always welcome treats from NISA~.

Oh, and I am quite interested in this "split personality" system from glances at the art book and indications from the opening scene. Adds a whole new element to Reyvatiels I wouldn't have thought possible.

Edit: Actually I just realized; there is some sad sense of irony in this game. The last title Gust/NISA had a hand in was Hyper Dimension Neptunia, where the main character has amnesia only so the plot can make fun of that whole stereotype whenever it gets the chance. So what does AT3 use right out the gate? *facepalms*
1158  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 15, 2011, 10:47:33 PM
Heh, this is why I always pre-order from a physical shop. ^^;

Anyway I've only gotten about 2 hours logged on the game and I have to say it's quite enjoyable. As anticipated there was one battle where the "Purge" system is forced ala tutorial but it wasn't bad. The only irritable part about the whole experience has been trying to figure out exactly how to shake the remote to trigger it. There are several tiny things that have entered nitpick territory about the way the game plays as a whole but it feels like seeing an old friend once again.

And so far the review greatly over-exaggerated Saki's character, IMO. She's not the best female lead but she's no Alfinia. Unlike Grandia III I'm not skipping text just to avoid her dialog.
1159  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 15, 2011, 04:43:42 PM
Should be going to get my copy in a few hours. Will probably spend the evening playing it then give a first impressions late tonight.
1160  Media / General Games / Re: Ghost Trick -- compare to Ace Attorney! Sequel-worthy? on: March 15, 2011, 01:15:22 PM
Sequel, no. Spin-Off, yes. I think the series' next game needs to be to Ghost Trick what Edgeworth is to Phoenix Wright. Technically the same thing but from another perspective. With but a few exceptions most of the loose threads were tied in Ghost Trick and I feel the characters, especially the main character, would be "forced" if shoved into the spotlight of another main story.

However if the next story were told via a new protagonist with slightly different mechanics (like "Objection!" vs "Eureka!" if you follow the metaphor) with the old guard making minor appearances; that would be the way to go.

As for "is it better"? *shrugs* Each have their own appeals. Apples to Oranges apply here as they're both fruit in the end (supernatural-flavored fiction).
1161  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 14, 2011, 02:52:58 PM
Curiousity: Why aren't people up in arms over this in The 3rd Birthday?

Age. A lot of what's bothering people with games like this is that it's a general tend for what look like very young girls to be sexualized, whereas even de-aged Aya looks to be in here 20s, MAYBE late teens at worst. AND there are people frustrated by the sexualizing there too, so it's not like The 3rd Birthday's considered completely kosher and AT3 isn't, but rather that AT3 has that extra layer that makes it disconcerting.

Plus you can argue it's optional in the 3rd Birthday by just playing really well and never getting HP so low as to be running around nearly naked!

Eh, whether it's 8 or 80 it shouldn't matter. Sexualized material is sexualized material. *shrugs* Then again I understand different societies try drawing different lines that people will accept and somehow justify it in their mind because everyone else is doing it. So that's a point I really won't press beyond stating my opinion.

Hypothetically; yes. But if pushed to a test that could be disproved quite easily. Just yank random gamers off the street til you had enough for a decent sample size (randomizing skill levels) and have both sets play both games with the condition "Do not make your protagonist nude in combat." AT3 would pass with a 100% rate (assuming what I've read is correct, for all I know there could be a battle where you're forced to go all the way; like how Replakia was forcefully engaged in an AT2 fight) where there would undeniably be failures for T3B; especially considering the poorly designed boss battles where damage will happen as an almost foregone conclusion.
1162  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 14, 2011, 02:46:47 PM
From what I've been reading around the topics and news articles it's, rather interestingly, pretty much AT3 in a different form.

Forcefully de-aged female protagonist/s, dumbed down story (with an incredibly bull-crap ending), poor characters, decrease in combat quality, and a stripping element integrated into the game mechanics.

The only difference is one's optional, one's not.
1163  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 14, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
When a game employs ripping off girl's clothes as a tactical advantage in battle...

Curiousity: Why aren't people up in arms over this in The 3rd Birthday? I've mentioned before that the game is crap because it forces you to parade near-naked Aya around on screen via the automatic HP=Clothing system and been told I'm over reacting. But here in AT3 the clothes stripping element is optional and has to be manually engaged by the player; yet people keep citing that as a reason the game needs to take a hit.

Then again the T3B topic has people over the moon about naked Aya in the shower so...I'll be darned if I ever understand the way people's minds work.
1164  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 13, 2011, 01:13:39 AM
Heh, it couldn't have be any worse than AT2's at the very least. XD Now that was a horrid translation job. Completely forgetting to translate text. XP

I didn't play the JP version, but as far as NISA localizing it for NA, they did a solid job.  There's a lot of dialogue in Qoga, and it's amazing the quality job they were able to do.  Everything makes sense and aside from the occasional typo (and I mean a really small number), there's not much to fault at all.  It's on par with their solid translation of Sakura Wars ~So Long, My Love~ (which was another text heavy game).

EDIT:  I forgot to mention, I read an interview back where NISA said they stayed pretty true to the JP script.  Also, they made some changes to a certain character... You know what?  I found the link, it's a pretty interesting read: http://www.siliconera.com/2011/02/18/nis-america-answers-your-ar-tonelico-qoga-questions/

Ugh, that article depresses me. I actually liked hearing a girly voice coming from scary looking Mute. Having her sound more butch is so...so...not as funny/charming.
1165  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 05:19:26 PM
Either way, I'm curious as to why Gust has been going for a younger look recently.  I mean, obviously to appease some of their fans, but when you compare it to more of the original games, I'd say the design quality has gone down, despite actually visually looking better.  If you compare earlier Gust games, like Marie and Elie, they looked young, but not like 13-year olds.  Judie and Violet both look much older, by at least 3-4 years.  Then compare that design to the new Atelier game's design, where the heroine looks 12 or so (well, in the defense of Gust, she might possibly be 12).
It's more than something just happening in Ar tonelico, but in their flagship Atelier as well.

I think part of the new character design thing may have to do with the 3d modeling. While I'm not trying to defend it, it you look at the male characters, they tend to look pretty young for some reason as well, and the ingame graphics, at least for Atelier Rorona have a bit of a chibi thing going on.

^This. Somehow I don't think it's so much they're trying to use younger character as it is something gets lost in translation between the 2D design team and the 3D modeling team. Atelier Rorona is a perfect example of this.

Compare this, in which the character looks 8 freaking years old to this, where she looks at least 13-15ish.

It's possible the "10 year old" look may have not been the design team's intention.
1166  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 01:02:02 PM
The difference here is that those swimsuits aren't sexualizing the children. AT3 is.

Heh, can't argue that point. :-/ That's part of the reason I won't be utilizing the Reyvatiel's higher stage transformations.

Your swimming suit argument is flawed. You make it sound like people dress their children in bathing costumes so they can be gawked at. I don't know about you guys, but any girls i've seen at the swimming pool who are less than 15 years old usually wear a one-piece number. Like a leotard or whatever, because it is good for swimming in. Same for little boys and their trunks or shorts. We are hardly going to send the children into the pull with a winter coat on and some wellington boots.

It's so the children can swim without being weighed down by their clothes. It's practical.

I wouldn't call it "common" but it happens often enough. You might just live in a more modest area. And personally I see no reason why a t-shirt and shorts wouldn't work compared to some of the things people pass off as swimwear. *shudders* I had to wear the shirt/shorts emsemble just because I burn extremely easily (even with loads of sunblock) and that never really hampered my ability to swim or my enjoyment of it.
1167  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 12:55:10 PM
And are you seriously questioning a purchase on a game because we don't want to see stupid-sex jokes and "little girls"...LITTLE GIRLS being stripped??

Potentially yes. Simply because of two words: Swimming Suits. People've been sending little children of both genders out, in public, wearing clothing that in general covers less than your standard underwear garment covers. Heck right now just to prove that point I could walk two blocks down to the local swimming pool and point out at least 5+ youngsters wearing less than some of the video I've seen of Reyvatiel transformations. And these are most likely younger than both the "appearance" and "actual" age of the Reyvatiels in question.

I'm not saying there isn't a point to what people are saying. However I find it very hard to take that point seriously when there are many, many examples of worse child exposure walking down the street without anyone so much as batting an eye. I cannot accept certain points when a clear double standard is involved.

Is Neptunia really a better game? Because getting beaten by Neptunia means you've sunk really low. Hell, I started watching a playthrough on Youtube once and FELL ASLEEP.

In all fairness Neptunia is one of those games that's more fun to play than it is to watch. There's a fair amount of set up and construction that goes into party prep. That and it's also better played in bursts rather than long sit throughs (like you would experience watching a play through rather than just playing it for 30-45 minute intervals before doing something else).
1168  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 10:17:38 AM
Y'know not to try and be rude but I honestly have to wonder; how many of you that are saying the game should be degraded/ignored for the sexism pay money for cable/satellite television? Or to go watch movies? (Within the past 20 years.) If so, and you haven't been barking at other people to do the same; you're kind of being hypocritical.

I'm not saying sexism is right, or even "funny"; but point out to me one major time period within the past 20 years where American movies, television, (heck probably even modern literature) was not stepped in the sexist notions of "Guys are idiots." "Guys only have sex on the brain." "If something goes wrong between a man and a woman it's automatically the guy's fault until proven otherwise". Modern American culture is stuffed to the brim with anti-guy sexism; yet I don't see people calling those instances out. But if there's sexism about a woman in a medium...sound the alarms!

Again, haven't played the game, not trying to be particularly mean here towards anyway; just saying it seems kind of...odd.
1169  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 12:29:56 AM
I'm not going to disagree that it isn't a step down. XD I figured that the moment I heard they abandoned their amazing battle system AT2 had. Although sadly I can't really elaborate too much on anything til I get a chance to play it. Seems like so many people around here have played it already. XP
1170  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 12:11:48 AM
The hymnos was barely touched, I was a bit blue about that - but otherwise, the music in the game blows ...

Neptunia is getting sacked for a lot of the tasteless foolery and "humour" in the game and otaku's are furious... but unless you're a fan of that shit, what's there to like...?

Highlighting the two statements I found odd.

-Really? How does it "blow" I gave a fair portion of the tracks a listen (I know it wasn't a complete list because there are some battle themes missing) and it seemed par for the course for an AT game. Heck the music was far more pleasant to listen to than say...Fable 3 or Fallout NV for example. Granted I'm hearing these tunes out of context and at my own leisure without unwanted looping but I can't think of even a single track that entered "blows" territory. Even the strange little EP_NOVA.

-Is that game really setting off the "jaded" alarm that badly for people? ._. Neither me or my wife are huge anime people anymore. There's like...2-3 shows in our collection of DVDs at any given time and neither of us have watched anything from about 2002 out. Neptunia's self-aware parody humor has been rather enjoyable to listen to and she actually prefers I wait to play til she's home just so she can watch. Neither of us really fit into the modern otaku context and we find the game just fine. Nothing "OMG write home!" about but nothing that merits the ragging it seems to get.
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